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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : YANG Data Model for MPLS-based L2VPN
        Authors         : Himanshu Shah
                          Patrice Brissette
                          Ing-When Chen
                          Iftekar Hussain
                          Bin Wen
                          Kishore Tiruveedhula
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-l2vpn-yang-07.txt
	Pages           : 47
	Date            : 2017-10-03

Abstract:
   This document describes a YANG data model for Layer 2 VPN (L2VPN)
   services over MPLS networks.  These services include point-to-point
   Virtual Private Wire Service (VPWS) and multipoint Virtual Private
   LAN service (VPLS) that uses LDP and BGP signaled Pseudowires.  It is
   expected that this model will be used by the management tools run by
   the network operators in order to manage and monitor the network
   resources that they use to deliver L2VPN services.

   This document also describes the YANG data model for the Pseudowires.
   The independent definition of the Pseudowires facilitates its use in
   Ethernet Segment and EVPN data models defined in separate document.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : Operational Aspects of Proxy-ARP/ND in EVPN Networks
        Authors         : Jorge Rabadan
                          Senthil Sathappan
                          Kiran Nagaraj
                          Wim Henderickx
                          Greg Hankins
                          Thomas King
                          Daniel Melzer
                          Erik Nordmark
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-proxy-arp-nd-03.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2017-10-04

Abstract:
   The MAC/IP Advertisement route specified in [RFC7432] can optionally
   carry IPv4 and IPv6 addresses associated with a MAC address. Remote
   PEs can use this information to reply locally (act as proxy) to IPv4
   ARP requests and IPv6 Neighbor Solicitation messages (or 'unicast-
   forward' them to the owner of the MAC) and reduce/suppress the
   flooding produced by the Address Resolution procedure. This EVPN
   capability is extremely useful in Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) and
   Data Centers (DCs) with large broadcast domains, where the amount of
   ARP/ND flooded traffic causes issues on routers and CEs, as explained
   in [RFC6820]. This document describes how the [RFC7432] EVPN proxy-
   ARP/ND function may be implemented to help IXPs and other operators
   deal with the issues derived from Address Resolution in large
   broadcast domains.



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        Title           : Propagation of IPv6 Neighbor Advertisement Flags in EVPN
        Authors         : Jorge Rabadan
                          Senthil Sathappan
                          Kiran Nagaraj
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-na-flags-00.txt
	Pages           : 6
	Date            : 2017-09-30

Abstract:
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   PEs can use this information to reply locally (act as proxy) to IPv4
   ARP requests and IPv6 Neighbor Solicitation messages and
   reduce/suppress the flooding produced by the Address Resolution
   procedure. However, if the Neighbor information is learnt via EVPN,
   the PE would not know if a particular IPv6->MAC pair belongs to a
   host, a router or a host with an anycast address as this information
   is not carried in the MAC/IP route advertisements. This document
   proposes an OPTIONAL advertisement of the Flags defined in [RFC4861]
   along with the EVPN MAC/IP Advertisement routes, so that an EVPN PE
   implementing a proxy-ND function can reply to Neighbor Solicitations
   with the correct Flag information in Neighbor Advertisements.




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Authors, WG,

this document is adopted.
Please republish as draft-ietf-bess-evpn-na-flags-00

-m

Le 12/09/2017 =E0 09:35, Martin Vigoureux a =E9crit :
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Yes, support for adoption.

Regards,
Greg

On Sep 25, 2017 2:43 AM, "Martin Vigoureux" <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>
wrote:

Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week call for adoption on
draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway-05 [1] as a BESS Working Group Document.

Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both cases,
please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until *the 2nd of October*.

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies
to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance
with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more
details).
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conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

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This email starts a two-week call for adoption on draft-drake-bess-datacent=
er-ga<wbr>teway-05 [1] as a BESS Working Group Document.<br>
<br>
Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both cases,=
 please also state the reasons).<br>
<br>
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<br>
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to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance<br>
with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more<br>
details).<br>
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respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any<br>
relevant undisclosed IPR. The Document won&#39;t progress without answers<b=
r>
from all the Authors and Contributors.<br>
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<br>
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 respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i=
n conformance with IETF rules.<br>
<br>
Thank you<br>
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<br>
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Yes, I support adoption of this draft into BESS.
Cheers
Jon

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Subject: [bess] Call for adoption: draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway

Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week call for adoption on
draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway-05 [1] as a BESS Working Group Document=
.

Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both cases,=
 please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until *the 2nd of October*.

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th=
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Martin & Thomas
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[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway/

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Hi All,

A working group last call has been requested for =
draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-07. Please reply to the list with your =
comments. As usual note we cannot advance the draft without =
participation from the group. Please get your comments in before October =
20, 2017.

We previously had a WGLC for version -04, =
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18151.html, which =
failed to achieve consensus largely due to lack of participation. Since =
then there have been several revisions to the document and active =
discussion, so I hope we'll have better engagement this time and will be =
able to conclude this WGLC. I especially hope we can proceed forward =
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[resending with corrected draft alias in cc, sorry about that]

Hi All,

A working group last call has been requested for =
draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-07. Please reply to the list with your =
comments. As usual note we cannot advance the draft without =
participation from the group. Please get your comments in before October =
20, 2017.

We previously had a WGLC for version -04, =
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg18151.html, which =
failed to achieve consensus largely due to lack of participation. Since =
then there have been several revisions to the document and active =
discussion, so I hope we'll have better engagement this time and will be =
able to conclude this WGLC. I especially hope we can proceed forward =
since drafts in both OSPF and BESS normatively reference this draft, for =
this reason I've cc'd both the OSPF and BESS mailing lists.

The authors have already confirmed IPR during the previous last call, so =
we won't require that again. Of course, if there have been any changes =
to IPR status since -04, please do make the necessary disclosures.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-07

Thanks,

--John=


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Support.

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John Scudder, 2017-10-06 14:39:
> [resending with corrected draft alias in cc, sorry about that]
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> A working group last call has been requested for draft-ietf-idr-
> tunnel-encaps-07. Please reply to the list with your comments. As
> usual note we cannot advance the draft without participation from the
> group. Please get your comments in before October 20, 2017.
> 
> We previously had a WGLC for version -04, https://www.ietf.org/mail-a
> rchive/web/idr/current/msg18151.html, which failed to achieve
> consensus largely due to lack of participation. Since then there have
> been several revisions to the document and active discussion, so I
> hope we'll have better engagement this time and will be able to
> conclude this WGLC. I especially hope we can proceed forward since
> drafts in both OSPF and BESS normatively reference this draft, for
> this reason I've cc'd both the OSPF and BESS mailing lists.
> 
> The authors have already confirmed IPR during the previous last call,
> so we won't require that again. Of course, if there have been any
> changes to IPR status since -04, please do make the necessary
> disclosures.
> 
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-07
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --John
> _______________________________________________
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> John Scudder, 2017-10-06 14:39:
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>>=20
>> Hi All,
>>=20
>> A working group last call has been requested for draft-ietf-idr-
>> tunnel-encaps-07. Please reply to the list with your comments. As
>> usual note we cannot advance the draft without participation from the
>> group. Please get your comments in before October 20, 2017.
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>> been several revisions to the document and active discussion, so I
>> hope we'll have better engagement this time and will be able to
>> conclude this WGLC. I especially hope we can proceed forward since
>> drafts in both OSPF and BESS normatively reference this draft, for
>> this reason I've cc'd both the OSPF and BESS mailing lists.
>>=20
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>> changes to IPR status since -04, please do make the necessary
>> disclosures.
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Support.  A truly useful document that has already been used by a multiplic=
ity of other drafts.

Yours Irrespectively,

John


> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 2:39 PM
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> Subject: [bess] WGLC for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps-07
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> [resending with corrected draft alias in cc, sorry about that]
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> Hi All,
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> A working group last call has been requested for draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-en=
caps-
> 07. Please reply to the list with your comments. As usual note we cannot
> advance the draft without participation from the group. Please get your
> comments in before October 20, 2017.
>=20
> We previously had a WGLC for version -04,
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mail-
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> failed to achieve consensus largely due to lack of participation. Since t=
hen
> there have been several revisions to the document and active discussion, =
so I
> hope we'll have better engagement this time and will be able to conclude =
this
> WGLC. I especially hope we can proceed forward since drafts in both OSPF =
and
> BESS normatively reference this draft, for this reason I've cc'd both the=
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> and BESS mailing lists.
>=20
> The authors have already confirmed IPR during the previous last call, so =
we
> won't require that again. Of course, if there have been any changes to IP=
R
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : A new Designated Forwarder Election for the EVPN
        Authors         : Satya Ranjan Mohanty
                          Keyur Patel
                          Ali Sajassi
                          John Drake
                          Antoni Przygienda
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-df-election-03.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2017-10-10

Abstract:
   This document describes an improved EVPN Designated Forwarder
   Election (DF) algorithm which can be used to enhance operational
   experience in terms of convergence speed and robustness over a WAN
   deploying EVPN


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : AC-Influenced Designated Forwarder Election for EVPN
        Authors         : Jorge Rabadan
                          Kiran Nagaraj
                          Senthil Sathappan
                          Vinod Prabhu
                          Wim Henderickx
                          Autumn Liu
                          Wen Lin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-ac-df-02.txt
	Pages           : 10
	Date            : 2017-10-11

Abstract:
   The Designated Forwarder (DF) in EVPN networks is the PE responsible
   for sending multicast, broadcast and unknown unicast traffic to a
   multi-homed CE, on a given Ethernet Tag on a particular Ethernet
   Segment (ES). The DF is selected based on the list of PEs that
   advertise the Ethernet Segment Identifier (ESI) to the EVPN network.
   While PE node or link failures trigger the DF re-election for a given
   <ESI, EVI>, individual Attachment Circuit (AC) or MAC-VRF failures do
   not trigger such DF re-election and the traffic may therefore be
   permanently impacted, even though there is an alternative path. This
   document improves the DF election algorithm so that the AC status can
   influence the result of the election and this type of "logical"
   failures can be protected too.



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Hi Jorge and other co-authors,

I am giving another round of review as the document shepherd before I do th=
e shepherd write-up.
Please see some nits/comments/questions below.

Thanks!
Jeffrey

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   EVPN provides a flexible control plane that allows intra-subnet
   connectivity in an IP/MPLS and/or an NVO-based network.

Isn't NVO based on IP? There is no pure-IP based EVPN, right? So perhaps ei=
ther "in an IP/MPLS based overlay network" or "in an MPLS and/or NVO-based =
network"?

   EVI: EVPN Instance spanning the NVE and PE devices that are
      participating on that EVPN.

"NVE/PE"?

   IP-VRF: A VPN Routing and Forwarding table for IP addresses on an
      NVE/PE, similar to the VRF concept defined in [RFC4364], however,
      in this document, the IP routes are always populated by the EVPN
      address family.

Do we really want to distinguish the IP-VRF in RFC4364 and the one in this =
document? I think it's really the same IP-VRF - routes could be populated f=
rom both EVPN and IP-VPN address family, especially on the DGWs.

   If we use the term Tenant System (TS) to designate a physical or
   virtual system identified by MAC and IP addresses, and connected to a
   MAC-VRF by an Attachment Circuit, the following considerations apply:
         ...
        o Although these VAs provide IP connectivity to VMs and subnets
          behind them, they do not always have their own IP interface
          connected to the EVPN NVE, e.g. layer-2 firewalls are examples
          of VAs not supporting IP interfaces.

In the above two paragraphs, the first one says the TS is identified by
MAC "and IP addresses", then the second paragraph says "do not always
Have their own IP interface". Should "and IP addresses" be changed to
"and maybe IP address as well"?

   o TS2 and TS3 are Virtual Appliances (VA) that generate/receive
     traffic from/to the subnets and hosts sitting behind them

s/generate/send/

   o Integrated Routing and Bridging interfaces IRB1, IRB2 and IRB3 have
     their own IP addresses that belong to the EVI-10 subnet too. These
     IRB interfaces connect the EVI-10 subnet to Virtual Routing and
     Forwarding (IP-VRF) instances that can route the traffic to other
     connected subnets for the same tenant (within the DC or at the
     other end of the WAN).

s/connected subnets/subnets/

   One example of such use cases is the "floating IP" example described
   in section 2.1. In this example we need to decouple the advertisement
   of the prefixes from the advertisement of the floating IP (vIP23 in
   Figure 1) and MAC associated to it, otherwise the solution gets
   highly inefficient and does not scale.

I understand what the above is trying to say, but had trouble parsing the s=
entence before "otherwise". I think it would better to say "decouple ... fr=
om the advertisement of MAC address of either M2 or M3", as we're advertisi=
ng with the floating IP as the overlay index (but not the mac).

   o The GW IP (Gateway IP Address) will be a 32 or 128-bit field (ipv4
     or ipv6), and will encode an overlay IP index for the IP Prefixes.

s/encode an overlay IP index/encode an IP address as an overlay index/

   o The MPLS Label field is encoded as 3 octets, where the high-order
     20 bits contain the label value. When sending, the label value
     SHOULD be zero to indicate that recursive resolution is needed. If
     the received MPLS Label value is zero, the route MUST contain an
     Overlay Index and the ingress NVE/PE MUST do recursive resolution
     to find the egress NVE/PE. If the received Label value is non-zero,
     the route will not be used for recursive resolution unless a local
     policy says so.

How about change the second sentence to the following:

    ... SHOULD be zero if recursive resolution based on overlay index is us=
ed.

Notice the "if".

   o An Overlay Index can be an ESI, IP address in the address space of
     the tenant or MAC address and it is used by an NVE as the next-hop
     for a given IP Prefix.

I like it that a mac address can be used as an overlay index; but I don't s=
ee how the mac address as overlay index is encoded?
I see the following later:

   *   MAC with Zero value means no Router's MAC extended community is
       present along with the RT-5. Non-Zero indicates that the extended
       community is present and carries a valid MAC address. Examples of
       invalid MAC addresses are broadcast or multicast MAC addresses.

It would be good to point out up front (right where the RT-5 format is give=
n) that Router's MAC EC may be attached to the RT-5.

     It is important to note that recursive
     resolution of the Overlay Index applies upon installation into an
     IP-VRF, and not upon BGP propagation.

What does the above sentence mean? Why is it important to note? Nothing is =
upon propagation, right?

   o Irrespective of the recursive resolution, if there is no IGP or BGP
     route to the BGP next-hop of an RT-5, BGP may fail to install the
     RT-5 even if the Overlay Index can be resolved.

May? Should? Must?

   The indirection provided by the Overlay Index and its recursive
   lookup resolution is required to achieve fast convergence in case of
   a failure of the object represented by the Overlay Index. For
   instance: in Figure 1, let's assume NVE2/NVE3 advertise 1k RT-5
   routes associated to the floating IP address (GWIP=3DvIP23) and NVE2
   advertises an RT-2 claiming the ownership of the floating IP, i.e.
   NVE2 encodes vIP23 and M2 in the RT-2. When the floating IP owner
   changes from M2 to M3, a single RT-2 withdraw/update is required to
   indicate the change. The remote DGW will not change any of the 1k
   prefixes associated to vIP23, but will only update the ARP resolution
   entry for vIP23 (now pointing at M3).

The "for instance" part is a repetition of section 2.2. How about simply re=
ferring to section 2.2?

   +----------+----------+----------+------------+----------------+
   | ESI      | GW-IP    | MAC*     | Label      | Overlay Index  |
   |--------------------------------------------------------------|
   | Non-Zero | Zero     | Zero     | Don't Care | ESI            |
   | Non-Zero | Zero     | Non-Zero | Don't Care | ESI            |
   | Zero     | Non-Zero | Zero     | Don't Care | GW-IP          |
   | Zero     | Zero     | Non-Zero | Zero       | MAC            |
   | Zero     | Zero     | Non-Zero | Non-Zero   | MAC or None**  |
   | Zero     | Zero     | Zero     | Non-Zero   | None(IP NVO)***|
   +----------+----------+----------+------------+----------------+

It seems that mac address is a more specific overlay index, so if ESI is al=
so present then the mac address should be used as the overlay index?

The fifth row is like a variation of the fourth row;  why isn't there a cor=
responding variation for each of the first three rows? The following paragr=
aph mentioned earlier seems to apply to all situations.

   o The MPLS Label field is encoded as 3 octets, where the high-order
     20 bits contain the label value. When sending, the label value
     SHOULD be zero to indicate that recursive resolution is needed. If
     the received MPLS Label value is zero, the route MUST contain an
     Overlay Index and the ingress NVE/PE MUST do recursive resolution
     to find the egress NVE/PE. If the received Label value is non-zero,
     the route will not be used for recursive resolution unless a local
     policy says so.

I struggled with the "IP NVO" in the sixth row because clearly this is MPLS=
 tunnel not IP tunnel. Then I realized that "IP" here refers to the payload=
 not the tunnel type:

   IP NVO tunnel: it refers to Network Virtualization Overlay tunnels
      with IP payload (no MAC header in the payload). =20

I have to say that "IP NVO tunnel" is a little misleading.

4. IP Prefix Overlay Index use-cases
4.1 TS IP address Overlay Index use-case

If you compare the two section titles above, you may realize the first one =
is a little misleading ("IP Prefix" used as overlay index?). Perhaps change=
 to "4. Overlay Index use-cases"?

In section 4.1:

        o Based on the MAC-VRF10 route-target in DGW1 and DGW2, the IP
          Prefix route is also imported and SN1/24 is added to the IP-
          VRF with Overlay Index IP2 pointing at the local MAC-VRF10. We
          assume the RT-5 from NVE2 is preferred over the RT-5 from
          NVE3. Should ECMP be enabled in the IP-VRF and both routes
          equally preferable, SN1/24 would also be added to the routing
          table with Overlay Index IP3.

The last two sentences seem to be contradicting. One says "preferred over" =
and the other says "equally preferable".

   (5) When the packet arrives at NVE2:
        o Based on the tunnel information (VNI for the VXLAN case), the
          MAC-VRF10 context is identified for a MAC lookup.
        o Encapsulation is stripped-off and based on a MAC lookup
          (assuming MAC forwarding on the egress NVE), the packet is
          forwarded to TS2, where it will be properly routed.

If the destination is actually on the TS3 side, how does TS2 send traffic t=
o the final destination? Unless the topology is actually like the one in se=
ction 4.2 traffic will get blackholed? But then, the only difference betwee=
n 4.1 and 4.2 is whether two overlay index (in 4.1, with ECMP) or one overl=
ay index (in 4.2) is used?

In section 4.3:

             . Destination inner MAC =3D M2 (this MAC will be obtained
               from the Router's MAC Extended Community received along
               with the RT-5 for SN1).

My understanding is that section 4 is descriptive (use cases). The above re=
ally should be "specified" somewhere else not "described" here. OK as I rea=
d it on further it becomes a more and more "specificative".=20

I do see some text about the Router's MAC EC in 4.4.1, but should that be p=
ulled out to somewhere that covers all cases (not just 4.4.1).

BTW - it's important to emphasize that the Router's MAC EC here is used to =
carry TS MAC address not the "Router's MAC address" :-)

Section 4.4:

   In order to provide connectivity for (1), MAC/IP routes (RT-2) are
   needed so that IRB or TS MACs and IPs can be distributed.
   Connectivity type (2) is accomplished by the exchange of IP Prefix
   routes (RT-5) for IPs and subnets sitting behind certain Overlay
   Indexes, e.g. GW IP or ESI.

"e.g. GW IP or ESI or TS MAC"

   ... If
   no recursive resolution is needed, the core EVI may not be needed and
   the IP-VRFs may be connected directly by Ethernet or IP NVO tunnels.

Even if the core EVI is needed, the tunnels are still ethernet tunnels, rig=
ht? Perhaps the last sentence should really be "... connected directly by t=
enant (non-core) EVIs"?

   Depending on the existence and characteristics of the core-facing IRB
   interface in the core EVI, there are three different IP-VRF-to-IP-VRF
   scenarios identified and described in this document:

   1) Interface-less model
   2) Interface-ful with core-facing IRB model
   3) Interface-ful with unnumbered core-facing IRB model

I once commented that the "interface-less" and "interface-full" here are co=
nvoluted. It really means if a core EVI and if core VRF IRBs are used. Whil=
e I am not requesting to change the terms, it would be good to point out wh=
at it really means. Proposed new text:

   Depending on the existence and characteristics of the core EVI and
   IRB interfaces for the core-VRFs, there are three different IP-VRF-to-IP=
-VRF
   scenarios identified and described in this document:

   1) Interface-less model: no core EVI, no overlay index.
   2) Interface-ful with core-VRF IRB model: core EVI, IP address as overla=
y index.
   3) Interface-ful with unnumbered core-VRF IRB model: core EVI, mac addre=
ss as overlay index.

BTW, I would still prefer to rename the "core EVI" to "Supplemental BD" for=
 two reasons:

- The "core" wording is confusing/misleading, because all the EVIs go over =
the core.
- The "core EVI" is really the same as the "Supplemental BD" in draft-lin.

So why not take this opportunity to use the proper name?

4.4.2:

   d) The core EVI is composed of the NVE/DGW MAC-VRFs and may contain
      other MAC-VRFs without IRB interfaces. Those non-IRB MAC-VRFs will
      typically connect TSes that need layer-3 connectivity to remote
      subnets.

Can you elaborate the "other MAC-VRFs w/o IRB interfaces"? I have two confu=
sions here:
- you already mention "NVE/DGW MAC-VRFs", so what are "other" MAC-VRFs?
- If you want to say some MAC-VRFs do not have IRB interfaces, perhaps just=
 say:

   d) The core EVI is composed of NVE/DGW MAC-VRFs w/ or w/o IRB interfaces=
.

But how to get remote traffic to those NVEs w/o core-VRF IRBs using this mo=
del?

        o Label value SHOULD be zero since the RT-5 route requires a
          recursive lookup resolution to an RT-2 route. The MPLS label
          or VNI to be used when forwarding packets will be derived from
          the RT-2's MPLS Label1 field. The RT-5's Label field will be
          ignored on reception.

Perhaps swap the last two sentences:

        o Label value SHOULD be zero since the RT-5 route requires a
          recursive lookup resolution to an RT-2 route. It is ignored on
          reception, and the MPLS label or VNI from the RT-2's MPLS
          Label1 field is used when forwarding packets.

Section 5:

   c) Allows a flexible implementation where the prefix can be linked to
      different types of Overlay Indexes: overlay IP address, overlay
      MAC addresses, overlay ESI, underlay BGP next-hops, etc.

Perhaps:

   c) Allows a flexible implementation where the prefix can be linked to
      different types of Overlay/Underlay Indexes: overlay IP address, over=
lay
      MAC addresses, overlay ESI, underlay BGP next-hops, etc.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : IP Prefix Advertisement in EVPN
        Authors         : Jorge Rabadan
                          Wim Henderickx
                          John E. Drake
                          Wen Lin
                          Ali Sajassi
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-prefix-advertisement-06.txt
	Pages           : 33
	Date            : 2017-10-16

Abstract:
   EVPN provides a flexible control plane that allows intra-subnet
   connectivity in an MPLS and/or NVO-based network. In some networks,
   there is also a need for a dynamic and efficient inter-subnet
   connectivity across Tenant Systems and End Devices that can be
   physical or virtual and do not necessarily participate in dynamic
   routing protocols. This document defines a new EVPN route type for
   the advertisement of IP Prefixes and explains some use-case examples
   where this new route-type is used.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Yang Data Model for BGP/MPLS L3 VPNs
        Authors         : Dhanendra Jain
                          Keyur Patel
                          Patrice Brissette
                          Zhenbin Li
                          Shunwan Zhuang
                          Xufeng Liu
                          Jeffrey Haas
                          Santosh Esale
                          Bin Wen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-l3vpn-yang-02.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2017-10-18

Abstract:
   This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure
   and manage BGP Layer 3 VPNs.


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> If you have a draft and would like to see it discussed during the BOF =
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Please include a slot for openfabric.

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Russ


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All,

it is time we start building the BESS WG agenda for Singapore.
The IETF agenda (still preliminary) is available at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/agenda.html

The BESS WG session (2h) is scheduled on
Friday, November 17th, 2017 / Morning session I / 09:30-11:30 (local time)

Please send us your request for a presentation slot, indicating
draft name, speaker, and desired duration (covering presentation and
discussion).

Please send the requests no later than the 30th of October.
Thank you

M&T


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        Title           : IP Prefix Advertisement in EVPN
        Authors         : Jorge Rabadan
                          Wim Henderickx
                          John E. Drake
                          Wen Lin
                          Ali Sajassi
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-prefix-advertisement-07.txt
	Pages           : 33
	Date            : 2017-10-19

Abstract:
   EVPN provides a flexible control plane that allows intra-subnet
   connectivity in an MPLS and/or NVO-based network. In some networks,
   there is also a need for a dynamic and efficient inter-subnet
   connectivity across Tenant Systems and End Devices that can be
   physical or virtual and do not necessarily participate in dynamic
   routing protocols. This document defines a new EVPN route type for
   the advertisement of IP Prefixes and explains some use-case examples
   where this new route-type is used.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : L2L3 VPN Multicast MIB
        Authors         : Zhaohui (Jeffrey) Zhang
                          Hiroshi Tsunoda
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-11.txt
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	Date            : 2017-10-20

Abstract:
   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes two MIB modules which will be used by
   other MIB modules for monitoring and/or configuring Layer 2 and Layer
   3 Virtual Private Networks that support multicast.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : IP Prefix Advertisement in EVPN
        Authors         : Jorge Rabadan
                          Wim Henderickx
                          John E. Drake
                          Wen Lin
                          Ali Sajassi
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   EVPN provides a flexible control plane that allows intra-subnet
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Dear Glenn,

Thank you for your comments and for waiting for the update.
I posted a new revision (-11) as follows.

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      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-11
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Please see the responses for your comments in the followings.

2017-09-02 9:47 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>:
> 1. Page-6: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: DESCRIPTION
> 1.1   It will be good to give a reference (RFCNNNN) for
>          noTunnelInfo       (0) : no tunnel information present
>       That will make it consistent with the other items.
>       This change will require adding RFCNNNN to the REFERENCE clause.

Fixed.

> 1.2      pimBidir           (5) : BIDIR-PIM Tree      [RFC5015]
>       RFC5015 needs to be added to the Reference section

RFC5015 added to the Reference section.

> 3. Page-7,8: says
>        " A L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType object of value
>          noTunnelInfo(0) indicates that the corresponding
>          Provider Multicast Service Interface (PMSI) Tunnel
>          attribute does not have a Tunnel Identifier."
>    It may be better to align the wording with RFC6514 (Page 11)
>        ' When the Tunnel Type is set to "No tunnel information
>          present", the PMSI Tunnel attribute carries no tunnel
>          information (no Tunnel Identifier).'

Fixed. Thank you for your advice.

> 4. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: DESCRIPTION:
>          E: Extension flag [RFC7902]
>       RFC7902 needs to be added to the Reference section

Fixed. RFC7902 is now in the Reference section.

> 5. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: REFERENCE
>           "RFC6514, Section 5
>            RFC7902
>           "
>       It will be nice to have a section pointer for RFC7902 too.
>       (User-friendly and consistency).
>       Please check the same for all the REFERENCE clause pointers

Added a section point for Sec.3 of RFC7902.

> 6. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeAddlFlags: DESCRIPTION
>           "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of
>           this object is zero."
>        This is actually a 48-bit string. What would be the
>        representation of "zero" above be? Will it be a string of
>        length 0, a string containing a single ascii character "0"
>        6 ascii "0"s, 48 '0' bits ?
>
> 7. Page-14: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeLabel: DESCRIPTION:
>           "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of
>           this object is zero that indicates the absence of MPLS
>           Label."
>        Once again.  "zero" above is imprecise.

In the current revision, these parts are revised as follows.
  When the P-tunnel does not have a correspondent PMSI tunnel
  attribute, the value of this object will be 0.

> 8. Compliance:
>    It would be good to design the compliance module as follows:
>       l2L3VpnMcastCoreCompliance:
>           MANDATORY-GROUPS {
>                l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup
>           }
>       l2L3VpnMcastFullCompliance:
>           MANDATORY-GROUPS {
>                l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup
>                l2L3VpnMcastOptionalGroup
>           }

Fixed along with your comments. Thank you.

> General:
> 10    Page-2 Section-1
> 10.1    In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPN)
>         In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) ?

Fixed.

> 10.2    Throughout this document, we will use the term
>         "L2L3VpnMCast" to mean BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPN that support
>         multicast.
>
>         Throughout this document, we will use the term
>         "L2L3VpnMCast network" to mean a network that comprises of
>         BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPNs and supports multicast.

Fixed. Now, the term "L2L3VpnMCast network" is used throughout the document.

> 10.3  Page-4 Section-3 bullet 2
>       Please review the paragraph for readability.

Revised the paragraph in order to improve readability.

> 10.4  It will be good to avoid page-breaks within quoted clauses.
>       example: Page-6 L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: REFERENCE

Thank you for your comments. I adjusted the page-breaks along with this comment.

Thanks again.

-- tsuno

2017-09-02 9:47 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>:
> Dear Tsuno,
>
> Thanks for the revised draft. I have reviewed the draft.
> Some issues remain. These are listed below
> Please consider the issues/comments and update the draft.
>
> Glenn
>
> +--------------------------------------------------------+
>
> 1. Page-6: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: DESCRIPTION
> 1.1   It will be good to give a reference (RFCNNNN) for
>          noTunnelInfo       (0) : no tunnel information present
>       That will make it consistent with the other items.
>       This change will require adding RFCNNNN to the REFERENCE clause.
> 1.2      pimBidir           (5) : BIDIR-PIM Tree      [RFC5015]
>       RFC5015 needs to be added to the Reference section
>
> 2. Page-6: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: SYNTAX
>       The rewritten SYNTAX clause without the repetitions looks better.
>       Thanks.
>
> 3. Page-7,8: says
>        " A L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType object of value
>          noTunnelInfo(0) indicates that the corresponding
>          Provider Multicast Service Interface (PMSI) Tunnel
>          attribute does not have a Tunnel Identifier."
>    It may be better to align the wording with RFC6514 (Page 11)
>        ' When the Tunnel Type is set to "No tunnel information
>          present", the PMSI Tunnel attribute carries no tunnel
>          information (no Tunnel Identifier).'
>
> 4. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: DESCRIPTION:
>          E: Extension flag [RFC7902]
>       RFC7902 needs to be added to the Reference section
>
> 5. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: REFERENCE
>           "RFC6514, Section 5
>            RFC7902
>           "
>       It will be nice to have a section pointer for RFC7902 too.
>       (User-friendly and consistency).
>       Please check the same for all the REFERENCE clause pointers
> 6. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeAddlFlags: DESCRIPTION
>           "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of
>           this object is zero."
>        This is actually a 48-bit string. What would be the
>        representation of "zero" above be? Will it be a string of
>        length 0, a string containing a single ascii character "0"
>        6 ascii "0"s, 48 '0' bits ?
>
> 7. Page-14: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeLabel: DESCRIPTION:
>           "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of
>           this object is zero that indicates the absence of MPLS
>           Label."
>        Once again.  "zero" above is imprecise.
>
> 8. Compliance:
>    It would be good to design the compliance module as follows:
>       l2L3VpnMcastCoreCompliance:
>           MANDATORY-GROUPS {
>                l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup
>           }
>       l2L3VpnMcastFullCompliance:
>           MANDATORY-GROUPS {
>                l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup
>                l2L3VpnMcastOptionalGroup
>           }
>
>
> General:
> 10    Page-2 Section-1
> 10.1    In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPN)
>         In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) ?
>
> 10.2    Throughout this document, we will use the term
>         "L2L3VpnMCast" to mean BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPN that support
>         multicast.
>
>         Throughout this document, we will use the term
>         "L2L3VpnMCast network" to mean a network that comprises of
>         BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPNs and supports multicast.
>
> 10.3  Page-4 Section-3 bullet 2
>       Please review the paragraph for readability.
>
> 10.4  It will be good to avoid page-breaks within quoted clauses.
>       example: Page-6 L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: REFERENCE
>
>
>
>
> On 2017/08/28 3:27, Hiroshi Tsunoda wrote:
>>
>> Dear Glenn,
>>
>> Thank you for your comments and for waiting for the update.
>> I posted a new revision (-10) as follows.
>>
>> URL:
>>
>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10.txt
>> Htmlized:
>>         https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10
>> Htmlized:
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10
>> Diff:
>>
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10
>>
>> In the new revision, the following changes are made.
>>   - Updated the description of following TC and objects
>>     in order to clarify the role of this MIB and to improve
>>     the readability
>>      -- L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId
>>      -- l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeTable
>>   - Removed some redundant expressions
>>   - Updated compliance statements
>>
>> Please see the responses for your comments
>> in the followings.
>>
>> 2017-07-09 14:11 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>:
>>>
>>>    L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:112: [5] {type-without-format} warning: type
>>>    `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId' has no format specification
>>> This may be avoided by specifying a format in which the
>>> L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId should be printed.
>>> Is there a preferred format? How will this be printed?
>>> One continuous octet string?
>>
>>
>> The size and format of TunnelID depends on Tunnel Type.
>> and no preferred format is exist as of now.
>> Therefore, I have decided to not give format specification
>> to L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId.
>>
>>> A. The l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeTable needs all of the following
>>>     four MOs as index for its rows
>>>               l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags,
>>>               l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeType,
>>>               l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeLabel,
>>>               l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId
>>>     The l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId by itself is inadequate? If yes
>>>     please explain it to me. Or point to the text that contains the
>>>     explanation.
>>> I have been unable to confirm the above from the draft - that is very
>>> likely due to my lack of understanding of the l2L3VpnMcast technology.
>>
>>
>> According to Sec. 7.4.1.1 of RFC6513,
>> P-tunnel is identified by its type and id.
>> Thus, in the latest revision, the following two objects are used as
>> index of the table.
>>         l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeType,
>>         l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> -- tsuno
>>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Yang Data Model for EVPN
        Authors         : Patrice Brissette
                          Ali Sajassi
                          Himanshu Shah
                          Zhenbin Li
                          Kishore Tiruveedhula
                          Iftekar Hussain
                          Jorge Rabadan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-yang-03.txt
	Pages           : 27
	Date            : 2017-10-21

Abstract:
   This document describes a YANG data model for Ethernet VPN services.
   The model is agnostic of the underlay. It apply to MPLS as well as to
   VxLAN encapsulation. The model is also agnostic of the services
   including E-LAN, E-LINE and E-TREE services. This document mainly
   focuses on EVPN and Ethernet-Segment instance framework.


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I am unaware of any undisclosed IPR that applies to this draft.


On 9/25/2017 5:42 AM, Martin Vigoureux wrote:
> Hello working group,
>
> This email starts a two-week call for adoption on 
> draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway-05 [1] as a BESS Working Group 
> Document.
>
> Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both 
> cases, please also state the reasons).
>
> This poll runs until *the 2nd of October*.
>
> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies
> to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance
> with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more
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> Thank you
>
> Martin & Thomas
> bess chairs
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> [1] 
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WG,

we have a new WG Document.

Authors could you republish as draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-00

thank you

Le 25/09/2017 à 11:42, Martin Vigoureux a écrit :
> Hello working group,
>
> This email starts a two-week call for adoption on
> draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway-05 [1] as a BESS Working Group
> Document.
>
> Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both
> cases, please also state the reasons).
>
> This poll runs until *the 2nd of October*.
>
> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies
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> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway/
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This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Gateway Auto-Discovery and Route Advertisement for Segment Routing Enabled Domain Interconnection
        Authors         : John Drake
                          Adrian Farrel
                          Eric Rosen
                          Keyur Patel
                          Luay Jalil
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-datacenter-gateway-00.txt
	Pages           : 11
	Date            : 2017-10-27

Abstract:
   Data centers have become critical components of the infrastructure
   used by network operators to provide services to their customers.
   Data centers are attached to the Internet or a backbone network by
   gateway routers.  One data center typically has more than one gateway
   for commercial, load balancing, and resiliency reasons.

   Segment routing is a popular protocol mechanism for operating within
   a data center, but also for steering traffic that flows between two
   data center sites.  In order that one data center site may load
   balance the traffic it sends to another data center site it needs to
   know the complete set of gateway routers at the remote data center,
   the points of connection from those gateways to the backbone network,
   and the connectivity across the backbone network.

   Segment routing may also be operated in other domains, such as access
   networks.  Those domains also need to be connected across backbone
   networks through gateways.

   This document defines a mechanism using the BGP Tunnel Encapsulation
   attribute to allow each gateway router to advertise the routes to the
   prefixes in the segment routing domains to which it provides access,
   and also to advertise on behalf of each other gateway to the same
   segment routing domain.



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Hi Eric,

The "leaf" or "root" designation of an Attachment Circuit (AC) is done by t=
he operator / service provider on the PE device (and not on a CE). So, CE d=
evice has no control in changing a "leaf" designation to a "root". I added =
"the network operator / service provider" to the text. Furthermore, I added=
 additional text to address your second concern (e.g., regarding how to avo=
id any exchange among leaf ACs):

"Furthermore, this document provides additional security check by allowing =
sites (or ACs) of an EVPN instance to be designated as "Root" or "Leaf" by =
the network operator/ service provider and thus preventing any traffic exch=
ange among "Leaf" sites of that VPN through ingress filtering for known uni=
cast traffic and egress filtering for BUM traffic. Since by default and for=
 the purpose of backward compatibility, an AC that doesn't have a leaf desi=
gnation is considered as a root AC, in order to avoid any  traffic exchange=
 among leaf ACs, the operator SHOULD configure the AC with a proper role (l=
eaf or root) before activating the AC."

Cheers,
Ali

From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com<mailto:aretana@cisco.com=
>>
Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 6:03 AM
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com<mailto:ekr@rtfm.com>>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.=
org<mailto:iesg@ietf.org>>
Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com<mailto:thomas.morin@orange.com>" <thomas.morin=
@orange.com<mailto:thomas.morin@orange.com>>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:=
bess-chairs@ietf.org>" <bess-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org>>,=
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f.org>" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-et=
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salam@cisco.com<mailto:ssalam@cisco.com>>, <jdrake@juniper.net<mailto:jdrak=
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Resent-Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 6:03 AM

Hi!

I don't have anything in my archive either. :-(

I just poked the authors...

Alvaro.

On 9/26/17, 5:59 AM, "Eric Rescorla" <ekr@rtfm.com<mailto:ekr@rtfm.com>> wr=
ote:

I have some memory that someone responded that this wasn't a security requi=
rement, but I can't find that now.

-Ekr


On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com<mailto:ekr@rtf=
m.com>> wrote:
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It's not clear to me if the prohibition on leaf-to-leaf communications is
intended to be a security requirement. If so, it seems like it needs to
explicitly state why it is not possible for ACs which are leaf to pretend t=
o be
root. If not, then it should say so. Additionally, this solution appears to
rely very heavily on filtering, so I believe some text about what happens
during periods of filtering inconsistency (and what the impact on the secur=
ity
is).





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<div>Hi Eric,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>The &#8220;leaf&#8221; or &#8220;root&#8221; designation of an Attachm=
ent Circuit (AC) is done by the operator / service provider on the PE devic=
e (and not on a CE). So, CE device has no control in changing a &#8220;leaf=
&#8221; designation to a &#8220;root&#8221;. I added &#8220;the network ope=
rator / service
 provider&#8221; to the text. Furthermore, I added additional text to addre=
ss your second concern (e.g., regarding how to avoid any exchange among lea=
f ACs):&nbsp;</div>
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<div>&quot;Furthermore, this document provides additional security check by=
 allowing sites (or ACs) of an EVPN instance to be designated as &quot;Root=
&quot; or &quot;Leaf&quot; by the network operator/ service provider and th=
us preventing any traffic exchange among &quot;Leaf&quot; sites of
 that VPN through ingress filtering for known unicast traffic and egress fi=
ltering for BUM traffic. Since by default and for the purpose of backward c=
ompatibility, an AC that doesn't have a leaf designation is considered as a=
 root AC, in order to avoid any
 &nbsp;traffic exchange among leaf ACs, the operator SHOULD configure the A=
C with a proper role (leaf or root) before activating the AC.&quot;</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Ali</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I just poked the authors&#8230;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alvaro.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 9/26/17, 5:59 AM, &quot;Eric Rescorla&quot; &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:ekr@rtfm.com">ekr@rtfm.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have some memory that someone responded that this =
wasn't a security requirement, but I can't find that now.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">-Ekr<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Eric Rescorla &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:ekr@rtfm.com" target=3D"_blank">ekr@rtfm.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Eric Rescorla has ent=
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DISCUSS:<br>
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It's not clear to me if the prohibition on leaf-to-leaf communications is<b=
r>
intended to be a security requirement. If so, it seems like it needs to<br>
explicitly state why it is not possible for ACs which are leaf to pretend t=
o be<br>
root. If not, then it should say so. Additionally, this solution appears to=
<br>
rely very heavily on filtering, so I believe some text about what happens<b=
r>
during periods of filtering inconsistency (and what the impact on the secur=
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is).<br>
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Hi Kathleen,

Leaf to leaf communication prohibition is one of the main function of
E-TREE service per MEF definition and RFC 7387. The document describes how
to implement this E-TREE service for EVPN and how it can be done more
efficiently.=20

Regards,
Ali


On 9/13/17, 7:28 PM, "Kathleen Moriarty"
<Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

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>
>I'm reading the leaf to leaf prohibition as a routing optimization that
>isn't
>intended for security purposes, but could help prevent routing loops and
>leakage.  There is a little text early on in the document to describe the
>purpose, but I agree the text should be made a bit more clear.
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Hi Adam,

Please refer to my replies inline.

On 9/13/17, 6:19 PM, "Adam Roach" <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:

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>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>COMMENT:
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>
>Section 3.3.2 says:
>
>   The PEs implementing an E-Tree service need not perform MAC learning
>   when the traffic flows between Root and Leaf sites are mainly
>   multicast or broadcast.
>
>Does this mean to say "mainly"? I would have expected "only", as in
>section
>4.3.  In particular, if "mainly" is correct, I'm unsure how unicast
>traffic is
>supposed to be handled. Is it simply flooded out (modulo filters) in the
>same
>way as broadcast traffic? If that's the intention, I think some
>additional text
>here saying as much would be useful.

Ali> Added the following sentence:
Ali> "In such scenarios, the small amount of unicast traffic (if any) is
sent as part of BUM traffic."
>
>----
>
>Section 5.1:
>
>   The reserved bits SHOULD be set to zero by the transmitter and SHOULD
>   be ignored by the receiver.
>
>The "SHOULD" here seems that it might make assigning meaning to these
>bits in
>the future problematic. If implementations decide to either assign local
>meaning to these bits, or decide that they don't need to be initialized,
>then
>future IETF specs that try to use them might be in for some pretty nasty
>deployment surprises. If these need to be "SHOULD" instead of "MUST,"
>please
>add some motivating text to the document for the sake of people who might
>want
>to extend the protocol in the future.

Ali> changed the second =B3SHOULD=B2 to =B3MUST=B2:
Ali > "The reserved bits SHOULD be set to zero by the transmitter and MUST
be ignored by the receiver."
>
>----
>
>The IANA handling of "Composite Tunnel" seems problematic: although
>several
>values in this "Reserved for Composite Tunnel" range have well-defined
>values
>(e.g., 0x81 means "RSVP-TE P2MP LSP with composite tunnel"), they look
>unallocated/reserved in the resulting table. I think what you really want
>to do
>here is update the introductory text for the table to make it clear that
>values
>now take the range 0x00 - 0x7F and modify 0x7B through 0x7F as you've
>proposed
>doing.

Ali> updated the section to make it more clear - please refer to rev14 of
this draft. The only changes for this document is for the range of
0x7B-0xFA which was previously unassigned. The decomposition of this range
is explained in the IANA section.
>
>On top of this, I have the same concerns as Warren does regarding the
>impact of
>this change on in-the-field use of experimental tunnel types. I think the
>only
>reasonable way to retrofit this mechanism onto the existing system would
>be to
>to say that the "Composite Tunnel" bit MUST be ignored for tunnel types
>0x7B-0x7E, and possibly allocate some additional experimental codepoints
>(e.g.,
>0x77-0x7A) so that people can run experiments with tunnel types that also
>include composite tunnel behavior.

Ali> There shouldn=B9t be any impact. The current tunnel types are in the
range of 0x00-0x07 [RFC7385]. The max range for the future will be in the
range of 0x00-0x7A. The mirror image of this range with the composite
tunnel type would be in the range of 0x80-FA. There is complete backward
compatibility with existing experimental values.
>
>


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From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com>
To: Dale Worley <worley@ariadne.com>, "gen-art@ietf.org" <gen-art@ietf.org>
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Hi Dale,

Please refer to my replies inline marked with =B3Ali>=B2.

On 9/11/17, 4:51 AM, "Dale Worley" <worley@ariadne.com> wrote:

>Reviewer: Dale Worley
>Review result: Ready with Nits
>
>I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft.  The General Area
>Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by
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>
>Document:  draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13
>Reviewer:  Dale R. Worley
>Review Date:  2017-09-12
>IETF LC End Date:  2017-08-09
>IESG Telechat date:  2017-09-12
>
>Summary:
>
>This draft is basically ready for publication, but has nits that
>should be fixed before publication.
>
>There are a few matters that I would like to see amplified in the
>Introduction to improve the exposition for readers who aren't familiar
>with this area.
>
>1.  Relationship to RFC 7432.  The Introduction now states "Since this
>document specifies a solution based on [RFC7432], it requires the
>readers to have the knowledge of [RFC7432] as prerequisite."  This is
>a significant improvement, but I still find this unsatisfyingly vague
>regarding the relationship between the two documents.  Is RFC 7432
>only background knowledge, or is this document an
>extension/modification of RFC 7432, in which case, some parts of the
>technique described in this document are actually defined in RFC 7432?
>It seems a minor change of wording of this sentence could make this
>clear.

Ali> Modified the 1st sentence of the last paragraph in section 1 for
better clarity.
>
>2.  Management:  The document doesn't describe how the EVPN structure
>will be set up (e.g., how endpoints are added or deleted from the
>structure, what MPLS labels will be used), nor how choice of the many
>technology alternatives will be communicated (e.g., 2.1 vs. 2.2
>vs. 2.3; approach A vs. approach B).  I suspect that this is normal
>for documents defining VPN techniques, but it seems peculiar for me,
>as the areas I'm familiar with (SIP and data-center networking) try to
>minimize the amount of "configuration" that needs to be done.  It
>might help the reader to list in the Introduction what aspects of
>set-up are out of scope for the document, and conversely, what aspects
>you've arranged for the control plane to handle automatically (which
>are benefits of the technique).

Ali> Since this solution is an extension of EVPN (RFC7432 or RFC7623), the
PE configuration follow that of those RFCs. The configuration for the
scenarios 2.1 to 2.3 are implied in those paragraphs - i.e., 2.1 talks
about using (configuring) two Route Targets (which is well understood in
VPN community), section 2.2 recommends using a single RT and a given AC to
be colored (configured) by =B3leaf=B2 or =B3root=B2, and section 2.3 talks =
about
coloring specific MAC addresses.
>
>3.  Efficiency:  The Abstract and the final paragraph of the
>Introduction mention that this technique is more efficient than that
>of RFC 7796, and of course that is a major motivation for this work.
>But the nature of the improved efficiency is only detailed in section
>3.1.  It would help the reader, I think, to mention the nature of the
>improved efficiency in the Introduction, and perhaps to mention the
>specific traffic patterns where this improved efficiency is
>particularly effective.  This helps the reader know when reading the
>document will be particularly valuable.

Ali> Added the following sentence to the introduction section:
Ali> =B3This efficiency is achieved by performing filtering of unicast
traffic on ingress PE nodes as opposed to egress filtering where the
traffic is sent through the network and gets filtered and discarded at the
egress PE nodes. The details of this ingress filtering is described in
section 3.1.=B2

>
>There are a few nits I noticed:
>
>Abstract
>
>   solution based on RFC7432, BGP MPLS Based Ethernet VPN (EVPN), with
>   some extensions and how such a solution can offer a more efficient
>   implementation of these functions than that of RFC7796, E-Tree
>   Support in Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS). This document makes
>
>In the same way as you quote the title of RFC 76387, it would be more
>readable if you quoted the titles of the other two RFCs.

Ali> The text that comes right after the RFC number is the title of that
draft.=20
>
>1  Introduction
>
>   Attachment Circuits (AC) (e.g., an Ethernet tag but may also be
>   represented by a MAC address) is labeled as either a Root or a Leaf
>
>I assume "tag" means 802.1q VLAN tag, but it would be helpful to spell
>that out.

Ali> Done.
>
>1.2  Terminology
>
>   Ethernet Segment Identifier (ESI): A unique non-zero identifier that
>   identifies an Ethernet segment is called an 'Ethernet Segment
>   Identifier'.
>
>What universe is the ESI is unique over?

Ali> Its structure and its uniqueness is described extensively in RFC 7432.

Cheers,
Ali
>
>[END]
>
>


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On 10/27/17 6:06 PM, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) wrote:
> Ali> updated the section to make it more clear - please refer to rev14 of
> this draft.


Thanks -- I'll take a look. When do you expect to upload the -14 version 
to the i-d repository?

/a


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : E-TREE Support in EVPN & PBB-EVPN
        Authors         : Ali Sajassi
                          Samer Salam
                          John Drake
                          Jim Uttaro
                          Sami Boutros
                          Jorge Rabadan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-14.txt
	Pages           : 22
	Date            : 2017-10-29

Abstract:
   The Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) has defined a rooted-multipoint
   Ethernet service known as Ethernet Tree (E-Tree). A solution
   framework for supporting this service in MPLS networks is described
   in RFC7387 ("A Framework for Ethernet-Tree (E-Tree) Service over a
   Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Network"). This document
   discusses how those functional requirements can be met with a
   solution based on RFC7432, BGP MPLS Based Ethernet VPN (EVPN), with
   some extensions and how such a solution can offer a more efficient
   implementation of these functions than that of RFC7796, E-Tree
   Support in Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS). This document makes
   use of the most significant bit of the "Tunnel Type" field (in PMSI
   Tunnel Attribute) governed by the IANA registry created by RFC7385,
   and hence updates RFC7385 accordingly.



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Hi Warren,=20

Please see my replies inline marked with =B3Ali>"

On 9/3/17, 3:56 PM, "Warren Kumari" <warren@kumari.net> wrote:

>Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for
>draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: No Objection
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>[ I wrote this review back on Aug 8th, but the balloting wasn't open then
>- I
>believe that there has been a new revision since, and so some of these may
>already have been addressed. ]
>
>I'm balloting No Objection, but I do have significant reservations;
>because of the number of nits the document is quite hard to read - a
>number of
>these required re-reading the sentence multiple times, guessing at what
>the
>sentence is trying to says, etc. Many of these are really obvious (e.g
>see nit
>#14 below) and it makes me concerned that the document hasn't been
>sufficiently
>reviewed.
>
>In addition, the RFC Editor would have caught these, but it doesn't seem
>reasonable to rely on them to make documents readable, nor to waste
>multiple
>reviewers time addressing what could easily have been caught with a
>simple read
>though.
>
>Questions / Notes:
>1: The document has 6 authors (one listed as an author) and a contributors
>section -- is there a substantive difference between those above the fold
>and
>those below it?

Ali> Merged =B3Contributors=B2 section into the =B3Acknowledgements=B2 sect=
ion.
>
>2: This document uses a number of acronyms without expanding them on
>first use.

Ali> All acronyms should have been explained (or expanded) before their
use. But, if there are any, please let me know.
>
>3: Section 8.1 Considerations for PMSI Tunnel Types
>"The status of 0x7F may only be
>   changed through Standards Action [RFC5226]." - what makes 0x7F
>special? What
>   is it reserved for?

Ali> I updated that section in rev14.
>
>4: The shepherd writeup says:
>Q: (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any
>existing RFCs?
>A: No change of the status of existing RFCs.
>
>I believe that this is incorrect, especially when compared with the Q/A
>#17.

Ali> This draft described enhancements/extension to procedures in RFC7432
and RFC7623 when E-TREE service is needed.
>
>5: The IANA considerations section seems to be incorrect / transition
>isn't
>really described. The current registry says: 0xFB-0xFE Reserved for
>Experimental Use
>
>This document changes that to be:
>0x7B-0x7E      Reserved for Experimental Use

Ali> The wording in the IANA section wasn=B9t quite accurate. The draft
doesn=B9t change the already-defined values for experimental use but rather
it expands it. I have updated the text to reflect that.
>
>While it "only" a change to an experimental range, by their very nature
>you
>don't know if anyone is using the current range. I think that the document
>needs to be much more clear about the fact that it is changing this, and
>also
>what the implications are for people who are already using e.g: 0xFB -
>from
>what I can see, it could break existing deployments.

Ali> The existing range for Experimental (0xFB-0xFE) doesn=B9t change but
rather it got expanded. It should be now clear in rev14.
>
>Nits:
>
>1: Section 2.1 Scenario 1: Leaf OR Root site(s) per PE
>O: In such scenario, using tailored BGP Route Target (RT) import/export
>   policies among the PEs belonging to the same EVI, can be used to
>   restrict the communications among Leaf PEs.
>P: In such scenario, tailored BGP Route Target (RT) import/export
>   policies among the PEs belonging to the same EVI can be used to
>   restrict the communications among Leaf PEs.
>C: Redundant 'using' when coupled with 'can be used'

Ali> Rev13 already has updated text based on this comment.
>
>2: Section  2.2 Scenario 2: Leaf OR Root site(s) per AC
>O: Approach (A) would require the same data plane enhancements as
>   approach (B) if MAC-VRF and bridge tables used per VLAN, are to
>   remain consistent with [RFC7432] (section 6).
>C: This doesn't really parse -- I cannot tell if it is just an extraneous
>comma
>(after VLAN) or if it is that subject for "used per VLAN" is unclear.

Ali> Done.
>
>3:
>O: Given that both approaches (A) and (B) would require exact same data-
>   plane enhancements,
>P: Given that both approaches (A) and (B) would require the same data-
>   plane enhancements,
>C: grammar

Ali> Done.
>
>4:
>O: It should be noted that if one wants to use RT constrain
>   in order to avoid MAC advertisements
>P: It should be noted that if one wants to use RT constraints
>   in order to avoid MAC advertisements
>C: Assuming "constraints"; if not, needs more rewording.

Ali> Done.
>
>5:
>O: For this scenario, if for a given EVI, significant number of PEs have
>   both Leaf and Root sites attached, even though they may start as
>   Root-only or Leaf-only PEs, then a single RT per EVI should be used.
>P: If, for a given EVI, a significant number of PEs have both Leaf and
>Root
>sites attached (even though they may start as Root-only or Leaf-only
>PEs), then
>a single RT per EVI should be used. C: Probably cleaner would just be to
>drop
>the "For this scenario"; I don't think that the reader would take this a
>generalization, but your views may differ.

Ali> Done
>
>6: 2.3 Scenario 3: Leaf OR Root site(s) per MAC
>I think that this may be better titled as "2.3 Scenario 3: Leaf OR Root
>site(s)
>per MAC address" -- without the 'address' it wasn't clear for the first
>bit if
>you actually intended MAC or if this was a typo for AC. Purely a nit.

Ali> Rev13 already has the updated text
>
>7:
>O: This scenario is not covered in both [RFC7387] and [MEF6.1];
>P: This scenario is not covered in either [RFC7387] or [MEF6.1];
>C: At least I'm assuming you meant either!

Ali> Rev13 already has the updated text

>
>8: Section 3.1 Known Unicast Traffic
>O: Since in EVPN, MAC learning is performed in control plane via
>P: Since in EVPN, MAC learning is performed in the control plane via
>C: Or perhaps "by the control plane"

Ali> Done.
>
>9:
>O:  thus providing very efficient filtering and avoiding sending known
>unicast
>   traffic over MPLS/IP core to be filtered
>P:  thus providing very efficient filtering and avoiding sending known
>unicast
>   traffic over the MPLS/IP core to be filtered

Ali> Done.
>
>10:
>O: This new Extended Community MUST be advertised with MAC/IP
>   Advertisement route.
>P: This new Extended Community MUST be advertised with MAC/IP
>   Advertisement routes.
>C: s/route/routes/ (or similar)

Ali> Done.
>
>11: Section 3.2 BUM Traffic
>O: This specification does not provide support for filtering BUM
>   (Broadcast, Unknown, and Multicast) traffic on the ingress PE because
>   it is not possible to perform filtering of BUM traffic on the ingress
>   PE, as is the case with known unicast described above, due to the
>   multi-destination nature of BUM traffic.
>P: This specification does not provide support for filtering BUM
>(Broadcast,
>Unknown, and Multicast) traffic on the ingress PE; due to the
>multi-destination
>nature of BUM traffic, is is not possible to perform filtering of the
>same on
>the ingress PE. C: Parenthesis make it a bit easier to read, but the whole
>sentence should be rewritten; "This specification doesn't do X because it
>is
>not possible to do X due to Y" sounds odd, even more so being a run on
>sentence.

Ali> Done.
>
>12:
>O: Other mechanisms for identifying root or leaf (e.g., on a per MAC
>address
>basis) is beyond the scope of this document.

>P: Other mechanisms for identifying root or leaf (e.g., on a per MAC
>address=20
  basis) are beyond the scope of this document. C: Plural alignment.

Ali > It has already been changed to "Other mechanisms for identifying
Root or Leaf sites such as the use of source MAC address of the receiving
frame are optional."
>
>13: Section 3.2.1 BUM traffic originated from a single-homed site on a
>leaf AC
>O: along with an Ethernet A-D per ES route
>C: A-D is used without expansion. I'm assuming Auto-Discovery, but this
>is not
>helpful to readers.

Ali> Done.
>
>14: 3.2.3 BUM traffic originated from a multi-homed site on a leaf AC
>O: In such scenarios,  If a multicast
>P: In such scenarios, if a multicast
>C: Things like this (there are multiple) make the reader wonder how well
>this
>was reviewed. This has been in the document since -03 (Oct 2015), so it
>isn't
>simply a "rush to squeeze it in" event.

Ali> Done.
>
>15: Section 3.3.1 E-Tree with MAC Learning
>O: For the scenario described in section 2.1 (or possibly section 2.2),
>these
>routes are imported ... P: For the scenario described in section 2.1 (and
>possibly the scenario in section 2.2), these routes are imported ... C:
>The
>original sounds a lot like you are not clear which section you are
>referring to.

Ali> Cannot find it. Must have been rectified.
>
>16:
>O: To support multicast/broadcast from Leaf to Root sites, ingress
>   replication should be sufficient for most scenarios where there are
>   only a few Roots (typically two). Therefore, in a typical scenario, a
>   root PE needs to support both ...
>C: Throughout the document you are using a mix of 'Root' vs 'root',
>'Leaf' vs
>'leaf' -- there doesn't seem to be much consistency.

Ali > Done. =B3Leaf=B2 and =B3Root=B2 are now used consistently.
>
>17: Section 4 Operation for PBB-EVPN
>O: In PBB-EVPN, the PE advertises a Root/Leaf indication along with each
>   B-MAC Advertisement route, to indicate whether the associated B-MAC
>   address corresponds to a Root or a Leaf site.
>C: Please fix the commas - I think you just need to delete the second (or
>perhaps put the "along with each" bit in parens) - the current text is
>confusing.

Ali> Done.
>
>18:
>O: In such multi-homing scenarios where an Ethernet Segment has
>   both Root and Leaf ACs, ...
>P: In multi-homing scenarios where an Ethernet Segment has
>   both Root and Leaf ACs, ...

Ali> Done.
>
>19:
>O: it is assumed that While different ACs (VLANs) on the same ES
>C: See #14.

Ali> Done.
>
>20: Section 4.1 Known Unicast Traffic
>O: On the ingress PE, the C-MAC destination address lookup yields, ...
>C: C-MAC is used without expansion - please insert reference (probably to
>RFC
>7623)

Ali> Done.
>
>21: Section 4.3 E-Tree without MAC Learning
>O: In scenarios where the traffic of interest is only Multicast and/or
>   broadcast, the ...
>P: In scenarios where the traffic of interest is only multicast and/or
>   broadcast, the ...
>C: Please choose a single capitalization for Broadcast and Multicast and
>stick
>to it -- there are around 5 Multicast and 6 multicast.

Ali> Done. The other instances of =B3Multicast=B2 is for tile/name - e.g.,
Inclusive Multicast route
>
>22: Section 5.2 PMSI Tunnel Attribute
>O: This document uses all other remaining fields per
>   existing definition.
>   P: This document does not redefine any other terms.
>C: This still ready poorly -- I think according to existing definitions
>(also,
>plural matching).

Ali> Changed it to: "All other fields remain as defined in [RFC6514]."
>
>23:
>O: When receiver ingress-replication label is needed, the high-order bit
>   of the tunnel type field (Composite Tunnel bit) is
>C: I think "When a receiver ingress-replication label is needed" or "When
>receiver ingress-replication labels are needed" - whatever the case, I
>think
>you are missing a word or using the wrong one.

Ali> Changed it to =B3When receiver ingress-replication labels are needed"

>
>24:
>O: When this Composite Tunnel bit is set, the "tunnel identifier" field
>   would begin with a three-octet label,
>P: When this Composite Tunnel bit is set, the "tunnel identifier" field
>   begins with a three-octet label,

Ali> It is already done for Rev13.
>
>25:
>O: PEs that don=B9t understand the
>   new meaning of the high-order bit would treat the tunnel type
>C: As before, delete "would"

Ali> Done.
>
>26: Section 7  Security Considerations
>O: Furthermore, this document provides additional
>   security check by allowing sites
>P: Furthermore, this document provides an additional
>   security check by allowing sites
>C: Or "checks"...
>
Ali> Done.
>


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Subject: Re: [bess] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (with COMMENT)
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Awesome, thank you.

W

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Ali Sajassi (sajassi)
<sajassi@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Warren,
>
> Please see my replies inline marked with =C2=B3Ali>"
>
> On 9/3/17, 3:56 PM, "Warren Kumari" <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
>
>>Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for
>>draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: No Objection
>>
>>When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
>>email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
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>>
>>
>>Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
>>for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
>>
>>
>>The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
>>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree/
>>
>>
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>COMMENT:
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>[ I wrote this review back on Aug 8th, but the balloting wasn't open then
>>- I
>>believe that there has been a new revision since, and so some of these ma=
y
>>already have been addressed. ]
>>
>>I'm balloting No Objection, but I do have significant reservations;
>>because of the number of nits the document is quite hard to read - a
>>number of
>>these required re-reading the sentence multiple times, guessing at what
>>the
>>sentence is trying to says, etc. Many of these are really obvious (e.g
>>see nit
>>#14 below) and it makes me concerned that the document hasn't been
>>sufficiently
>>reviewed.
>>
>>In addition, the RFC Editor would have caught these, but it doesn't seem
>>reasonable to rely on them to make documents readable, nor to waste
>>multiple
>>reviewers time addressing what could easily have been caught with a
>>simple read
>>though.
>>
>>Questions / Notes:
>>1: The document has 6 authors (one listed as an author) and a contributor=
s
>>section -- is there a substantive difference between those above the fold
>>and
>>those below it?
>
> Ali> Merged =C2=B3Contributors=C2=B2 section into the =C2=B3Acknowledgeme=
nts=C2=B2 section.
>>
>>2: This document uses a number of acronyms without expanding them on
>>first use.
>
> Ali> All acronyms should have been explained (or expanded) before their
> use. But, if there are any, please let me know.
>>
>>3: Section 8.1 Considerations for PMSI Tunnel Types
>>"The status of 0x7F may only be
>>   changed through Standards Action [RFC5226]." - what makes 0x7F
>>special? What
>>   is it reserved for?
>
> Ali> I updated that section in rev14.
>>
>>4: The shepherd writeup says:
>>Q: (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any
>>existing RFCs?
>>A: No change of the status of existing RFCs.
>>
>>I believe that this is incorrect, especially when compared with the Q/A
>>#17.
>
> Ali> This draft described enhancements/extension to procedures in RFC7432
> and RFC7623 when E-TREE service is needed.
>>
>>5: The IANA considerations section seems to be incorrect / transition
>>isn't
>>really described. The current registry says: 0xFB-0xFE Reserved for
>>Experimental Use
>>
>>This document changes that to be:
>>0x7B-0x7E      Reserved for Experimental Use
>
> Ali> The wording in the IANA section wasn=C2=B9t quite accurate. The draf=
t
> doesn=C2=B9t change the already-defined values for experimental use but r=
ather
> it expands it. I have updated the text to reflect that.
>>
>>While it "only" a change to an experimental range, by their very nature
>>you
>>don't know if anyone is using the current range. I think that the documen=
t
>>needs to be much more clear about the fact that it is changing this, and
>>also
>>what the implications are for people who are already using e.g: 0xFB -
>>from
>>what I can see, it could break existing deployments.
>
> Ali> The existing range for Experimental (0xFB-0xFE) doesn=C2=B9t change =
but
> rather it got expanded. It should be now clear in rev14.
>>
>>Nits:
>>
>>1: Section 2.1 Scenario 1: Leaf OR Root site(s) per PE
>>O: In such scenario, using tailored BGP Route Target (RT) import/export
>>   policies among the PEs belonging to the same EVI, can be used to
>>   restrict the communications among Leaf PEs.
>>P: In such scenario, tailored BGP Route Target (RT) import/export
>>   policies among the PEs belonging to the same EVI can be used to
>>   restrict the communications among Leaf PEs.
>>C: Redundant 'using' when coupled with 'can be used'
>
> Ali> Rev13 already has updated text based on this comment.
>>
>>2: Section  2.2 Scenario 2: Leaf OR Root site(s) per AC
>>O: Approach (A) would require the same data plane enhancements as
>>   approach (B) if MAC-VRF and bridge tables used per VLAN, are to
>>   remain consistent with [RFC7432] (section 6).
>>C: This doesn't really parse -- I cannot tell if it is just an extraneous
>>comma
>>(after VLAN) or if it is that subject for "used per VLAN" is unclear.
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>3:
>>O: Given that both approaches (A) and (B) would require exact same data-
>>   plane enhancements,
>>P: Given that both approaches (A) and (B) would require the same data-
>>   plane enhancements,
>>C: grammar
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>4:
>>O: It should be noted that if one wants to use RT constrain
>>   in order to avoid MAC advertisements
>>P: It should be noted that if one wants to use RT constraints
>>   in order to avoid MAC advertisements
>>C: Assuming "constraints"; if not, needs more rewording.
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>5:
>>O: For this scenario, if for a given EVI, significant number of PEs have
>>   both Leaf and Root sites attached, even though they may start as
>>   Root-only or Leaf-only PEs, then a single RT per EVI should be used.
>>P: If, for a given EVI, a significant number of PEs have both Leaf and
>>Root
>>sites attached (even though they may start as Root-only or Leaf-only
>>PEs), then
>>a single RT per EVI should be used. C: Probably cleaner would just be to
>>drop
>>the "For this scenario"; I don't think that the reader would take this a
>>generalization, but your views may differ.
>
> Ali> Done
>>
>>6: 2.3 Scenario 3: Leaf OR Root site(s) per MAC
>>I think that this may be better titled as "2.3 Scenario 3: Leaf OR Root
>>site(s)
>>per MAC address" -- without the 'address' it wasn't clear for the first
>>bit if
>>you actually intended MAC or if this was a typo for AC. Purely a nit.
>
> Ali> Rev13 already has the updated text
>>
>>7:
>>O: This scenario is not covered in both [RFC7387] and [MEF6.1];
>>P: This scenario is not covered in either [RFC7387] or [MEF6.1];
>>C: At least I'm assuming you meant either!
>
> Ali> Rev13 already has the updated text
>
>>
>>8: Section 3.1 Known Unicast Traffic
>>O: Since in EVPN, MAC learning is performed in control plane via
>>P: Since in EVPN, MAC learning is performed in the control plane via
>>C: Or perhaps "by the control plane"
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>9:
>>O:  thus providing very efficient filtering and avoiding sending known
>>unicast
>>   traffic over MPLS/IP core to be filtered
>>P:  thus providing very efficient filtering and avoiding sending known
>>unicast
>>   traffic over the MPLS/IP core to be filtered
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>10:
>>O: This new Extended Community MUST be advertised with MAC/IP
>>   Advertisement route.
>>P: This new Extended Community MUST be advertised with MAC/IP
>>   Advertisement routes.
>>C: s/route/routes/ (or similar)
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>11: Section 3.2 BUM Traffic
>>O: This specification does not provide support for filtering BUM
>>   (Broadcast, Unknown, and Multicast) traffic on the ingress PE because
>>   it is not possible to perform filtering of BUM traffic on the ingress
>>   PE, as is the case with known unicast described above, due to the
>>   multi-destination nature of BUM traffic.
>>P: This specification does not provide support for filtering BUM
>>(Broadcast,
>>Unknown, and Multicast) traffic on the ingress PE; due to the
>>multi-destination
>>nature of BUM traffic, is is not possible to perform filtering of the
>>same on
>>the ingress PE. C: Parenthesis make it a bit easier to read, but the whol=
e
>>sentence should be rewritten; "This specification doesn't do X because it
>>is
>>not possible to do X due to Y" sounds odd, even more so being a run on
>>sentence.
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>12:
>>O: Other mechanisms for identifying root or leaf (e.g., on a per MAC
>>address
>>basis) is beyond the scope of this document.
>
>>P: Other mechanisms for identifying root or leaf (e.g., on a per MAC
>>address
>   basis) are beyond the scope of this document. C: Plural alignment.
>
> Ali > It has already been changed to "Other mechanisms for identifying
> Root or Leaf sites such as the use of source MAC address of the receiving
> frame are optional."
>>
>>13: Section 3.2.1 BUM traffic originated from a single-homed site on a
>>leaf AC
>>O: along with an Ethernet A-D per ES route
>>C: A-D is used without expansion. I'm assuming Auto-Discovery, but this
>>is not
>>helpful to readers.
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>14: 3.2.3 BUM traffic originated from a multi-homed site on a leaf AC
>>O: In such scenarios,  If a multicast
>>P: In such scenarios, if a multicast
>>C: Things like this (there are multiple) make the reader wonder how well
>>this
>>was reviewed. This has been in the document since -03 (Oct 2015), so it
>>isn't
>>simply a "rush to squeeze it in" event.
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>15: Section 3.3.1 E-Tree with MAC Learning
>>O: For the scenario described in section 2.1 (or possibly section 2.2),
>>these
>>routes are imported ... P: For the scenario described in section 2.1 (and
>>possibly the scenario in section 2.2), these routes are imported ... C:
>>The
>>original sounds a lot like you are not clear which section you are
>>referring to.
>
> Ali> Cannot find it. Must have been rectified.
>>
>>16:
>>O: To support multicast/broadcast from Leaf to Root sites, ingress
>>   replication should be sufficient for most scenarios where there are
>>   only a few Roots (typically two). Therefore, in a typical scenario, a
>>   root PE needs to support both ...
>>C: Throughout the document you are using a mix of 'Root' vs 'root',
>>'Leaf' vs
>>'leaf' -- there doesn't seem to be much consistency.
>
> Ali > Done. =C2=B3Leaf=C2=B2 and =C2=B3Root=C2=B2 are now used consistent=
ly.
>>
>>17: Section 4 Operation for PBB-EVPN
>>O: In PBB-EVPN, the PE advertises a Root/Leaf indication along with each
>>   B-MAC Advertisement route, to indicate whether the associated B-MAC
>>   address corresponds to a Root or a Leaf site.
>>C: Please fix the commas - I think you just need to delete the second (or
>>perhaps put the "along with each" bit in parens) - the current text is
>>confusing.
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>18:
>>O: In such multi-homing scenarios where an Ethernet Segment has
>>   both Root and Leaf ACs, ...
>>P: In multi-homing scenarios where an Ethernet Segment has
>>   both Root and Leaf ACs, ...
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>19:
>>O: it is assumed that While different ACs (VLANs) on the same ES
>>C: See #14.
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>20: Section 4.1 Known Unicast Traffic
>>O: On the ingress PE, the C-MAC destination address lookup yields, ...
>>C: C-MAC is used without expansion - please insert reference (probably to
>>RFC
>>7623)
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>21: Section 4.3 E-Tree without MAC Learning
>>O: In scenarios where the traffic of interest is only Multicast and/or
>>   broadcast, the ...
>>P: In scenarios where the traffic of interest is only multicast and/or
>>   broadcast, the ...
>>C: Please choose a single capitalization for Broadcast and Multicast and
>>stick
>>to it -- there are around 5 Multicast and 6 multicast.
>
> Ali> Done. The other instances of =C2=B3Multicast=C2=B2 is for tile/name =
- e.g.,
> Inclusive Multicast route
>>
>>22: Section 5.2 PMSI Tunnel Attribute
>>O: This document uses all other remaining fields per
>>   existing definition.
>>   P: This document does not redefine any other terms.
>>C: This still ready poorly -- I think according to existing definitions
>>(also,
>>plural matching).
>
> Ali> Changed it to: "All other fields remain as defined in [RFC6514]."
>>
>>23:
>>O: When receiver ingress-replication label is needed, the high-order bit
>>   of the tunnel type field (Composite Tunnel bit) is
>>C: I think "When a receiver ingress-replication label is needed" or "When
>>receiver ingress-replication labels are needed" - whatever the case, I
>>think
>>you are missing a word or using the wrong one.
>
> Ali> Changed it to =C2=B3When receiver ingress-replication labels are nee=
ded"
>
>>
>>24:
>>O: When this Composite Tunnel bit is set, the "tunnel identifier" field
>>   would begin with a three-octet label,
>>P: When this Composite Tunnel bit is set, the "tunnel identifier" field
>>   begins with a three-octet label,
>
> Ali> It is already done for Rev13.
>>
>>25:
>>O: PEs that don=C2=B9t understand the
>>   new meaning of the high-order bit would treat the tunnel type
>>C: As before, delete "would"
>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>>26: Section 7  Security Considerations
>>O: Furthermore, this document provides additional
>>   security check by allowing sites
>>P: Furthermore, this document provides an additional
>>   security check by allowing sites
>>C: Or "checks"...
>>
> Ali> Done.
>>
>



--=20
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
of pants.
   ---maf


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP Control Plane for NSH SFC
        Authors         : Adrian Farrel
                          John Drake
                          Eric Rosen
                          Jim Uttaro
                          Luay Jalil
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-02.txt
	Pages           : 53
	Date            : 2017-10-30

Abstract:
   This document describes the use of BGP as a control plane for
   networks that support Service Function Chaining (SFC).  The document
   introduces a new BGP address family called the SFC AFI/SAFI with two
   route types.  One route type is originated by a node to advertise
   that it hosts a particular instance of a specified service function.
   This route type also provides "instructions" on how to send a packet
   to the hosting node in a way that indicates that the service function
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   Controller to advertise the paths of "chains" of service functions,
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   used in conjunction with the Network Service Header.

   This document adopts the SFC architecture described in RFC 7665.



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Hi,

We made some small tweaks to this document mainly to bring it in line with
draft-farrel-mpls-sfc (no need to describe the MPLS forwarding plane in a BESS
document).
We also added the concept of a pool of service function instances so that an SFP
can be scoped more tightly than by generic SF type, but less tightly than a
specific SFI. It also allows the choice of SFI to be delegated to the SFFs on
the SFP.

Cheers,
Adrian

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>         Title           : BGP Control Plane for NSH SFC
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>                           John Drake
>                           Eric Rosen
>                           Jim Uttaro
>                           Luay Jalil
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-02.txt
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> 	Date            : 2017-10-30
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> Abstract:
>    This document describes the use of BGP as a control plane for
>    networks that support Service Function Chaining (SFC).  The document
>    introduces a new BGP address family called the SFC AFI/SAFI with two
>    route types.  One route type is originated by a node to advertise
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>    Controller to advertise the paths of "chains" of service functions,
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>    This document adopts the SFC architecture described in RFC 7665.
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Hi Tsuno,
    Thanks for addressing the issues in the new draft. It
looks good. I do not have any major issues with the MIB.
But before we give a go-ahead I would like to ask to you
do another editorial check for nits.These are basically
               s/network/networks/
type of fixes.
A minor issue with the MIB on naming related mater-
I would suggest
       s/l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup/l2L3VpnMcastCoreGroup/

Glenn

On 2017/10/22 1:14, Hiroshi Tsunoda wrote:
> Dear Glenn,
> 
> Thank you for your comments and for waiting for the update.
> I posted a new revision (-11) as follows.
> 
> URL:
>        https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-11.txt
> Htmlized:
>        https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-11
> Htmlized:
>        https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-11
> Diff:
>       https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-11
> 
> Please see the responses for your comments in the followings.
> 
> 2017-09-02 9:47 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>:
>> 1. Page-6: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: DESCRIPTION
>> 1.1   It will be good to give a reference (RFCNNNN) for
>>           noTunnelInfo       (0) : no tunnel information present
>>        That will make it consistent with the other items.
>>        This change will require adding RFCNNNN to the REFERENCE clause.
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>> 1.2      pimBidir           (5) : BIDIR-PIM Tree      [RFC5015]
>>        RFC5015 needs to be added to the Reference section
> 
> RFC5015 added to the Reference section.
> 
>> 3. Page-7,8: says
>>         " A L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType object of value
>>           noTunnelInfo(0) indicates that the corresponding
>>           Provider Multicast Service Interface (PMSI) Tunnel
>>           attribute does not have a Tunnel Identifier."
>>     It may be better to align the wording with RFC6514 (Page 11)
>>         ' When the Tunnel Type is set to "No tunnel information
>>           present", the PMSI Tunnel attribute carries no tunnel
>>           information (no Tunnel Identifier).'
> 
> Fixed. Thank you for your advice.
> 
>> 4. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: DESCRIPTION:
>>           E: Extension flag [RFC7902]
>>        RFC7902 needs to be added to the Reference section
> 
> Fixed. RFC7902 is now in the Reference section.
> 
>> 5. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: REFERENCE
>>            "RFC6514, Section 5
>>             RFC7902
>>            "
>>        It will be nice to have a section pointer for RFC7902 too.
>>        (User-friendly and consistency).
>>        Please check the same for all the REFERENCE clause pointers
> 
> Added a section point for Sec.3 of RFC7902.
> 
>> 6. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeAddlFlags: DESCRIPTION
>>            "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of
>>            this object is zero."
>>         This is actually a 48-bit string. What would be the
>>         representation of "zero" above be? Will it be a string of
>>         length 0, a string containing a single ascii character "0"
>>         6 ascii "0"s, 48 '0' bits ?
>>
>> 7. Page-14: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeLabel: DESCRIPTION:
>>            "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of
>>            this object is zero that indicates the absence of MPLS
>>            Label."
>>         Once again.  "zero" above is imprecise.
> 
> In the current revision, these parts are revised as follows.
>    When the P-tunnel does not have a correspondent PMSI tunnel
>    attribute, the value of this object will be 0.
> 
>> 8. Compliance:
>>     It would be good to design the compliance module as follows:
>>        l2L3VpnMcastCoreCompliance:
>>            MANDATORY-GROUPS {
>>                 l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup
>>            }
>>        l2L3VpnMcastFullCompliance:
>>            MANDATORY-GROUPS {
>>                 l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup
>>                 l2L3VpnMcastOptionalGroup
>>            }
> 
> Fixed along with your comments. Thank you.
> 
>> General:
>> 10    Page-2 Section-1
>> 10.1    In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPN)
>>          In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) ?
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>> 10.2    Throughout this document, we will use the term
>>          "L2L3VpnMCast" to mean BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPN that support
>>          multicast.
>>
>>          Throughout this document, we will use the term
>>          "L2L3VpnMCast network" to mean a network that comprises of
>>          BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPNs and supports multicast.
> 
> Fixed. Now, the term "L2L3VpnMCast network" is used throughout the document.
> 
>> 10.3  Page-4 Section-3 bullet 2
>>        Please review the paragraph for readability.
> 
> Revised the paragraph in order to improve readability.
> 
>> 10.4  It will be good to avoid page-breaks within quoted clauses.
>>        example: Page-6 L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: REFERENCE
> 
> Thank you for your comments. I adjusted the page-breaks along with this comment.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> -- tsuno
> 
> 2017-09-02 9:47 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>:
>> Dear Tsuno,
>>
>> Thanks for the revised draft. I have reviewed the draft.
>> Some issues remain. These are listed below
>> Please consider the issues/comments and update the draft.
>>
>> Glenn
>>
>> +--------------------------------------------------------+
>>
>> 1. Page-6: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: DESCRIPTION
>> 1.1   It will be good to give a reference (RFCNNNN) for
>>           noTunnelInfo       (0) : no tunnel information present
>>        That will make it consistent with the other items.
>>        This change will require adding RFCNNNN to the REFERENCE clause.
>> 1.2      pimBidir           (5) : BIDIR-PIM Tree      [RFC5015]
>>        RFC5015 needs to be added to the Reference section
>>
>> 2. Page-6: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: SYNTAX
>>        The rewritten SYNTAX clause without the repetitions looks better.
>>        Thanks.
>>
>> 3. Page-7,8: says
>>         " A L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType object of value
>>           noTunnelInfo(0) indicates that the corresponding
>>           Provider Multicast Service Interface (PMSI) Tunnel
>>           attribute does not have a Tunnel Identifier."
>>     It may be better to align the wording with RFC6514 (Page 11)
>>         ' When the Tunnel Type is set to "No tunnel information
>>           present", the PMSI Tunnel attribute carries no tunnel
>>           information (no Tunnel Identifier).'
>>
>> 4. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: DESCRIPTION:
>>           E: Extension flag [RFC7902]
>>        RFC7902 needs to be added to the Reference section
>>
>> 5. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: REFERENCE
>>            "RFC6514, Section 5
>>             RFC7902
>>            "
>>        It will be nice to have a section pointer for RFC7902 too.
>>        (User-friendly and consistency).
>>        Please check the same for all the REFERENCE clause pointers
>> 6. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeAddlFlags: DESCRIPTION
>>            "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of
>>            this object is zero."
>>         This is actually a 48-bit string. What would be the
>>         representation of "zero" above be? Will it be a string of
>>         length 0, a string containing a single ascii character "0"
>>         6 ascii "0"s, 48 '0' bits ?
>>
>> 7. Page-14: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeLabel: DESCRIPTION:
>>            "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of
>>            this object is zero that indicates the absence of MPLS
>>            Label."
>>         Once again.  "zero" above is imprecise.
>>
>> 8. Compliance:
>>     It would be good to design the compliance module as follows:
>>        l2L3VpnMcastCoreCompliance:
>>            MANDATORY-GROUPS {
>>                 l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup
>>            }
>>        l2L3VpnMcastFullCompliance:
>>            MANDATORY-GROUPS {
>>                 l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup
>>                 l2L3VpnMcastOptionalGroup
>>            }
>>
>>
>> General:
>> 10    Page-2 Section-1
>> 10.1    In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPN)
>>          In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) ?
>>
>> 10.2    Throughout this document, we will use the term
>>          "L2L3VpnMCast" to mean BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPN that support
>>          multicast.
>>
>>          Throughout this document, we will use the term
>>          "L2L3VpnMCast network" to mean a network that comprises of
>>          BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPNs and supports multicast.
>>
>> 10.3  Page-4 Section-3 bullet 2
>>        Please review the paragraph for readability.
>>
>> 10.4  It will be good to avoid page-breaks within quoted clauses.
>>        example: Page-6 L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: REFERENCE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2017/08/28 3:27, Hiroshi Tsunoda wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Glenn,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your comments and for waiting for the update.
>>> I posted a new revision (-10) as follows.
>>>
>>> URL:
>>>
>>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10.txt
>>> Htmlized:
>>>          https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10
>>> Htmlized:
>>>
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10
>>> Diff:
>>>
>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10
>>>
>>> In the new revision, the following changes are made.
>>>    - Updated the description of following TC and objects
>>>      in order to clarify the role of this MIB and to improve
>>>      the readability
>>>       -- L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId
>>>       -- l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeTable
>>>    - Removed some redundant expressions
>>>    - Updated compliance statements
>>>
>>> Please see the responses for your comments
>>> in the followings.
>>>
>>> 2017-07-09 14:11 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>:
>>>>
>>>>     L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:112: [5] {type-without-format} warning: type
>>>>     `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId' has no format specification
>>>> This may be avoided by specifying a format in which the
>>>> L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId should be printed.
>>>> Is there a preferred format? How will this be printed?
>>>> One continuous octet string?
>>>
>>>
>>> The size and format of TunnelID depends on Tunnel Type.
>>> and no preferred format is exist as of now.
>>> Therefore, I have decided to not give format specification
>>> to L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId.
>>>
>>>> A. The l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeTable needs all of the following
>>>>      four MOs as index for its rows
>>>>                l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags,
>>>>                l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeType,
>>>>                l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeLabel,
>>>>                l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId
>>>>      The l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId by itself is inadequate? If yes
>>>>      please explain it to me. Or point to the text that contains the
>>>>      explanation.
>>>> I have been unable to confirm the above from the draft - that is very
>>>> likely due to my lack of understanding of the l2L3VpnMcast technology.
>>>
>>>
>>> According to Sec. 7.4.1.1 of RFC6513,
>>> P-tunnel is identified by its type and id.
>>> Thus, in the latest revision, the following two objects are used as
>>> index of the table.
>>>          l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeType,
>>>          l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> -- tsuno
>>>
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