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I will do another editorial check for nits according to your suggestions. Best regards, -- tsuno 2017-11-01 5:07 GMT+01:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni : > Hi Tsuno, > Thanks for addressing the issues in the new draft. It > looks good. I do not have any major issues with the MIB. > But before we give a go-ahead I would like to ask to you > do another editorial check for nits.These are basically > s/network/networks/ > type of fixes. > A minor issue with the MIB on naming related mater- > I would suggest > s/l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup/l2L3VpnMcastCoreGroup/ > > Glenn > > > On 2017/10/22 1:14, Hiroshi Tsunoda wrote: >> >> Dear Glenn, >> >> Thank you for your comments and for waiting for the update. >> I posted a new revision (-11) as follows. >> >> URL: >> >> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-11.txt >> Htmlized: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-11 >> Htmlized: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-11 >> Diff: >> >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-11 >> >> Please see the responses for your comments in the followings. >> >> 2017-09-02 9:47 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni : >>> >>> 1. Page-6: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: DESCRIPTION >>> 1.1 It will be good to give a reference (RFCNNNN) for >>> noTunnelInfo (0) : no tunnel information present >>> That will make it consistent with the other items. >>> This change will require adding RFCNNNN to the REFERENCE clause. >> >> >> Fixed. >> >>> 1.2 pimBidir (5) : BIDIR-PIM Tree [RFC5015] >>> RFC5015 needs to be added to the Reference section >> >> >> RFC5015 added to the Reference section. >> >>> 3. Page-7,8: says >>> " A L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType object of value >>> noTunnelInfo(0) indicates that the corresponding >>> Provider Multicast Service Interface (PMSI) Tunnel >>> attribute does not have a Tunnel Identifier." >>> It may be better to align the wording with RFC6514 (Page 11) >>> ' When the Tunnel Type is set to "No tunnel information >>> present", the PMSI Tunnel attribute carries no tunnel >>> information (no Tunnel Identifier).' >> >> >> Fixed. Thank you for your advice. >> >>> 4. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: DESCRIPTION: >>> E: Extension flag [RFC7902] >>> RFC7902 needs to be added to the Reference section >> >> >> Fixed. RFC7902 is now in the Reference section. >> >>> 5. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: REFERENCE >>> "RFC6514, Section 5 >>> RFC7902 >>> " >>> It will be nice to have a section pointer for RFC7902 too. >>> (User-friendly and consistency). >>> Please check the same for all the REFERENCE clause pointers >> >> >> Added a section point for Sec.3 of RFC7902. >> >>> 6. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeAddlFlags: DESCRIPTION >>> "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of >>> this object is zero." >>> This is actually a 48-bit string. What would be the >>> representation of "zero" above be? Will it be a string of >>> length 0, a string containing a single ascii character "0" >>> 6 ascii "0"s, 48 '0' bits ? >>> >>> 7. Page-14: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeLabel: DESCRIPTION: >>> "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of >>> this object is zero that indicates the absence of MPLS >>> Label." >>> Once again. "zero" above is imprecise. >> >> >> In the current revision, these parts are revised as follows. >> When the P-tunnel does not have a correspondent PMSI tunnel >> attribute, the value of this object will be 0. >> >>> 8. Compliance: >>> It would be good to design the compliance module as follows: >>> l2L3VpnMcastCoreCompliance: >>> MANDATORY-GROUPS { >>> l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup >>> } >>> l2L3VpnMcastFullCompliance: >>> MANDATORY-GROUPS { >>> l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup >>> l2L3VpnMcastOptionalGroup >>> } >> >> >> Fixed along with your comments. Thank you. >> >>> General: >>> 10 Page-2 Section-1 >>> 10.1 In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPN) >>> In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) ? >> >> >> Fixed. >> >>> 10.2 Throughout this document, we will use the term >>> "L2L3VpnMCast" to mean BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPN that support >>> multicast. >>> >>> Throughout this document, we will use the term >>> "L2L3VpnMCast network" to mean a network that comprises of >>> BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPNs and supports multicast. >> >> >> Fixed. Now, the term "L2L3VpnMCast network" is used throughout the >> document. >> >>> 10.3 Page-4 Section-3 bullet 2 >>> Please review the paragraph for readability. >> >> >> Revised the paragraph in order to improve readability. >> >>> 10.4 It will be good to avoid page-breaks within quoted clauses. >>> example: Page-6 L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: REFERENCE >> >> >> Thank you for your comments. I adjusted the page-breaks along with this >> comment. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> -- tsuno >> >> 2017-09-02 9:47 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni : >>> >>> Dear Tsuno, >>> >>> Thanks for the revised draft. I have reviewed the draft. >>> Some issues remain. These are listed below >>> Please consider the issues/comments and update the draft. >>> >>> Glenn >>> >>> +--------------------------------------------------------+ >>> >>> 1. Page-6: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: DESCRIPTION >>> 1.1 It will be good to give a reference (RFCNNNN) for >>> noTunnelInfo (0) : no tunnel information present >>> That will make it consistent with the other items. >>> This change will require adding RFCNNNN to the REFERENCE clause. >>> 1.2 pimBidir (5) : BIDIR-PIM Tree [RFC5015] >>> RFC5015 needs to be added to the Reference section >>> >>> 2. Page-6: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: SYNTAX >>> The rewritten SYNTAX clause without the repetitions looks better. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> 3. Page-7,8: says >>> " A L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType object of value >>> noTunnelInfo(0) indicates that the corresponding >>> Provider Multicast Service Interface (PMSI) Tunnel >>> attribute does not have a Tunnel Identifier." >>> It may be better to align the wording with RFC6514 (Page 11) >>> ' When the Tunnel Type is set to "No tunnel information >>> present", the PMSI Tunnel attribute carries no tunnel >>> information (no Tunnel Identifier).' >>> >>> 4. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: DESCRIPTION: >>> E: Extension flag [RFC7902] >>> RFC7902 needs to be added to the Reference section >>> >>> 5. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: REFERENCE >>> "RFC6514, Section 5 >>> RFC7902 >>> " >>> It will be nice to have a section pointer for RFC7902 too. >>> (User-friendly and consistency). >>> Please check the same for all the REFERENCE clause pointers >>> 6. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeAddlFlags: DESCRIPTION >>> "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of >>> this object is zero." >>> This is actually a 48-bit string. What would be the >>> representation of "zero" above be? Will it be a string of >>> length 0, a string containing a single ascii character "0" >>> 6 ascii "0"s, 48 '0' bits ? >>> >>> 7. Page-14: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeLabel: DESCRIPTION: >>> "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of >>> this object is zero that indicates the absence of MPLS >>> Label." >>> Once again. "zero" above is imprecise. >>> >>> 8. Compliance: >>> It would be good to design the compliance module as follows: >>> l2L3VpnMcastCoreCompliance: >>> MANDATORY-GROUPS { >>> l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup >>> } >>> l2L3VpnMcastFullCompliance: >>> MANDATORY-GROUPS { >>> l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup >>> l2L3VpnMcastOptionalGroup >>> } >>> >>> >>> General: >>> 10 Page-2 Section-1 >>> 10.1 In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPN) >>> In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) ? >>> >>> 10.2 Throughout this document, we will use the term >>> "L2L3VpnMCast" to mean BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPN that support >>> multicast. >>> >>> Throughout this document, we will use the term >>> "L2L3VpnMCast network" to mean a network that comprises of >>> BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPNs and supports multicast. >>> >>> 10.3 Page-4 Section-3 bullet 2 >>> Please review the paragraph for readability. >>> >>> 10.4 It will be good to avoid page-breaks within quoted clauses. >>> example: Page-6 L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: REFERENCE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2017/08/28 3:27, Hiroshi Tsunoda wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Glenn, >>>> >>>> Thank you for your comments and for waiting for the update. >>>> I posted a new revision (-10) as follows. >>>> >>>> URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10.txt >>>> Htmlized: >>>> >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10 >>>> Htmlized: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10 >>>> Diff: >>>> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10 >>>> >>>> In the new revision, the following changes are made. >>>> - Updated the description of following TC and objects >>>> in order to clarify the role of this MIB and to improve >>>> the readability >>>> -- L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId >>>> -- l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeTable >>>> - Removed some redundant expressions >>>> - Updated compliance statements >>>> >>>> Please see the responses for your comments >>>> in the followings. >>>> >>>> 2017-07-09 14:11 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni : >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:112: [5] {type-without-format} warning: type >>>>> `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId' has no format specification >>>>> This may be avoided by specifying a format in which the >>>>> L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId should be printed. >>>>> Is there a preferred format? How will this be printed? >>>>> One continuous octet string? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The size and format of TunnelID depends on Tunnel Type. >>>> and no preferred format is exist as of now. >>>> Therefore, I have decided to not give format specification >>>> to L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId. >>>> >>>>> A. The l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeTable needs all of the following >>>>> four MOs as index for its rows >>>>> l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags, >>>>> l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeType, >>>>> l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeLabel, >>>>> l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId >>>>> The l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId by itself is inadequate? If >>>>> yes >>>>> please explain it to me. Or point to the text that contains the >>>>> explanation. >>>>> I have been unable to confirm the above from the draft - that is very >>>>> likely due to my lack of understanding of the l2L3VpnMcast technology. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> According to Sec. 7.4.1.1 of RFC6513, >>>> P-tunnel is identified by its type and id. >>>> Thus, in the latest revision, the following two objects are used as >>>> index of the table. >>>> l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeType, >>>> l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>> -- tsuno >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BESS mailing list >>>> BESS@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BESS mailing list >>> BESS@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > From nobody Mon Nov 6 03:50:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DE113FB99 for ; 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Instead it may be easier to follow this one: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/materials/agenda-100-bess/ Thx, Robert. On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Martin Vigoureux < martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> wrote: > Presenters, WG, > > we have posted the agenda for BESS in Singapore. > Please have a look at it: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/agenda/bess/ > > Please start sending your presentation material now. > Deadline is Sunday 12th of November, 23:59 local time. > > Please design your presentation in order to respect the time which was > allocated to it. > > Thank you > M&T > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > --94eb2c075610913d9b055d4fb237 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Martin,
I think your link is a bit outdated ...=C2=A0

Instead it may be easier = to follow this one:

https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/meeting/100/materials/agenda-100-bess/

Thx,
Robert.


On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Ma= rtin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> wrote:<= br>
Presenters, WG,

we have posted the agenda for BESS in Singapore.
Please have a look at it:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/a= genda/bess/

Please start sending your presentation material now.
Deadline is Sunday 12th of November, 23:59 local time.

Please design your presentation in order to respect the time which was allo= cated to it.

Thank you
M&T

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Thanks Robert. Le 06/11/2017 à 13:36, Robert Raszuk a écrit : > Hey Martin, > > I think your link is a bit outdated ... > > Instead it may be easier to follow this one: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/materials/agenda-100-bess/ > > Thx, > Robert. > > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Martin Vigoureux > > wrote: > > Presenters, WG, > > we have posted the agenda for BESS in Singapore. > Please have a look at it: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/agenda/bess/ > > > Please start sending your presentation material now. > Deadline is Sunday 12th of November, 23:59 local time. > > Please design your presentation in order to respect the time which > was allocated to it. > > Thank you > M&T > > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bess > > > From nobody Thu Nov 9 09:42:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F259127B60 for ; 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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a number of comments on draft-sajassi-bess-evpn-mvpn-seamless-interop. 1. It seems that the proposal does not do correct ethernet emulation.  Intra-subnet multicast only sometimes preserves MAC SA and IP TTL, sometimes not, depending upon the topology.  TTL handling for inter-subnet multicast seems inconsistent as well, depending upon the topology.  The proposal exposes the operator's internal network structure to the user, and will cause "LAN-only" applications to break.  These concerns are acknowledged, then quickly dismissed based on wishful thinking.  (In my experience, wishful thinking doesn't work out very well in routing.) 2. In order to do inter-subnet multicast in EVPN, the proposal requires L3VPN/MVPN configuration on ALL the EVPN PEs.  This is required even when there is no need for MVPN/EVPN interworking. This is portrayed as a "low provisioning" solution! 3. The draft claims that the exact same control plane should be used for EVPN and MVPN, despite the fact that MVPN's control plane is unaware of certain information that is very important in EVPN (e.g., EVIs, TagIDs).  (This is largely responsible for point 1 above.) This is claimed to be a way of providing a "uniform solution".  As we examine the problems that arise, perhaps this will be seen as more a case of "pounding square pegs into round holes".  When interworking between two domains, generally one gets a more flexible and robust scheme by maintaining clean interfaces and having well-defined points of attachment, not by entangling the internal protocols of one domain with the internal protocols of the other. 4. The draft proposes to use the same tunnels for MVPN and EVPN, i.e., to have tunnels that traverse both the MVPN and the EVPN domains.  Various "requirements" are stated that seem to require this solution.  Somewhere along the line it was realized that this requirement cannot be met if MVPN and EVPN do not use the same tunnel types.  So for this very common scenario, a completely different solution is proposed, that (a) tries to keep the EVPN control plane out of the MVPN domain, and vice versa, and (b) uses different tunnels in the two domains.  Perhaps the "requirements" that suggest using a single cross-domain tunnel are not really requirements!  And why would we want different solutions for different deployment scenarios?  Yes, the solution needs to handle all the use cases, but we don't want to look at the use cases one at a time and design a different solution for each one. While the authors have realized that one cannot have cross-domain tunnels when EVPN uses VxLAN and MVPN uses MPLS, they do not seem to have acknowledged the multitude of other scenarios in which cross-domain tunnels cannot be used.  For instance, MVPN may be using mLDP, while EVPN is using IR.  Or MVPN may be using RSVP-TE P2MP while EVPN is using AR.  Etc., etc.  I suspect that "different tunnel types" will be the common case, especially when trying to interwork existing MVPN and EVPN deployments. The inability to use EVPN-specific tunnels also causes a number of specific problems when attempting to interwork with MVPN; these will be examined below. 5. A number of the draft's stated "requirements" seem to be entirely bogus. a. In some cases, the "requirements" for optimality in one or another respect (e.g., routing, replication) are really only considerations that an operator should be able to trade off against other considerations.  The real requirement is to be able to create a deployment scenario in which such optimality is achievable.  Other deployment scenarios, that optimize for other considerations, should not be prohibited. b. Many of the "requirements" are applied very selectively, e.g., the "requirement" for MVPN and EVPN to use the same set of multicast tunnels, and the requirement for there to be no "gateways". 6. The gateway-based proposal for interworking MVPN and EVPN when they use different tunnel types is severely underspecified. One possible approach to this would be to have a single MVPN domain that includes the EVPN PEs, and to use MVPN tunnel segmentation at the boundary. While that is a complicated solution, at least it is known to work. However, that does not seem to be what is being proposed. Another approach would be to set up two independent MVPN domains and carefully assign RTs to ensure that routes are not leaked from one domain to another.  One would also have to ensure that the boundary points send the proper set of routes into the "other" domain.  (This includes the unicast routes as well as the multicast routes.)  And one would have to include a whole bunch of applicability restrictions, such as "don't use the same RR to hold routes of both domains".  I think that's what's being proposed, but there isn't enough discussion of RT and RD management to be sure, and there isn't much discussion of what information the boundary points send into each domain. 7. The proposal requires that EVPN export a host route to MVPN for each EVPN-attached multicast source.  It's a good thing that there is no requirement like "do not burden existing MVPN deployments with a whole bunch of additional host routes".  Wait a minute, maybe there is such a requirement. In fact, whether the host routes are necessary to achieve optimal routing depends on the topology.  And this is a case where an operator might well want to sacrifice some routing optimality to reduce the routing burden on the MVPN nodes. 8. The proposal simply does not work when MVPN receivers are interested in multicast flows from EVPN sources that are attached to all-active multi-homed ethernet segments. This issue is worth examining in detail. Suppose EVPN-PE1 and EVPN-PE2 are both attached to the same ethernet segment, using all-active multi-homing.  Suppose there is a multicast source S on that segment.  In such a case, (S,G1) traffic might arrive at PE1, while (S,G2) traffic might arrive at PE2. (Which PE gets a particular flow from S depends on LAG hashing algorithms over which we have no control.)  Now suppose that an MVPN PE, say PE3, needs to receive (S,G1) traffic. MVPN requires PE3 to select the "Upstream PE" for the (S,G1) traffic.  PE3 does this by looking at the VRF Route Import EC on its best route to S. In order to receive the (S,G1) traffic, PE3 must select PE1, rather than PE2, as the Upstream PE.  However, there is absolutely nothing in the MVPN specs or in this document to ensure that PE3 selects PE1 rather than PE2. Generally, an MVPN node will select PE2 if it is closer to PE2. Perhaps the authors are under the impression that MVPN Source Active A-D routes can be used to solve this problem.  That is not so. Vanilla MVPN nodes do not generally base their selection of the Upstream PE for (S,G) on the SA A-D routes. Let me explain a little about the way SA A-D routes are used.  There are two different MVPN "modes" that affect the use of SA A-D routes. In one mode (sometimes known as 'rpt-spt' mode, and described in Section 13 of RFC 6514), an SA A-D route for (S,G) is originated by a PE when that PE receives a C-multicast route for (S,G). In another mode (sometimes known as 'spt-only' mode, and described in Section 14 of RFC 6514), an SA A-D route for (S,G) is originated by a PE when that PE receives a PIM Register message for (S,G), or when that PE receives an MSDP SA message for (S,G).  Note that in this mode, the PE originating the SA A-D route is not necessarily the best (or even a good) ingress PE for the flow. - In both modes, if an egress PE receives a PIM Join (S,G) from a CE, its choice of ingress PE is never impacted by the SA A-D routes.  Note that CEs send PIM Join(S,G) messages for both ASM and SSM groups. - In spt-only mode, the SA A-D routes are used to discover sources, but not to select the ingress PE. (The selected ingress PE is not necessarily the one originating the SA A-D route.) - The choice of ingress PE is impacted by the SA A-D routes for (S,G) only when (a) rpt-spt mode is being used, (b) the egress PE has received a PIM Join (*,G) from a CE, and (c) the egress PE has not received a PIM Join (S,G) from a CE.  This is typically just a transient state, as the CE will generally emit a PIM Join(S,G) as soon as it sees any (S,G) traffic. Bottom line: if a source is on an EVPN all-active multi-homed segment, MVPN receivers have no way to select the proper ingress PE.  If the segment is n-way-homed, the MVPN PEs have just a 1/n chance of getting the traffic. Of course, this problem could be eliminated if EVPN and MVPN didn't have to use the same tunnels.  In that case, if an MVPN node selects the wrong ingress PE, the selected PE could obtain the traffic from the real ingress PE, and then relay it to the MVPN node.  This might result in sub-optimal routing, but that's better than a black hole! Perhaps the gateway-based solution needs to be used whenever there is all-active multi-homing? ;-) One could imagine modifying the MVPN installed based so that the SA A-D routes play more of a role in selecting the Upstream PE. However, I believe the requirement is to allow MVPN/EVPN interworking without modifying the existing MVPN nodes. 9. In the case where all the multicast sources for a given group are attached via EVPN, there is a very simple procedure for providing Join(*,G) functionality.  This procedure makes use of EVPN-specific knowledge.  Since the MVPN protocols cannot take advantage of the EVPN-specific knowledge, a more complicated procedure is needed when only MVPN protocols are used.  This is explained further in the in-line comments. 10. Most of the problems above are the result of (a) trying to use the exact same control plane for both MVPN and EVPN, and (b) treating the case where both domains use the same tunnel type as the design center.  It would be better to keep clean interfaces between EVPN and MVPN, with clearly defined points of attachment.  The proposal in draft-lin-bess-evpn-irb-mcast does this, and thus does not run into the above problems.  That proposal also shows how the "optimal routing" requirements can be met, and how they can be traded off against other considerations. (In fairness, it must be acknowledged that both proposals are still works in progress.  It's also worth noting that the two proposals have a lot in common.) A number of additional comments can be found in-line in the attachment.  (I realize that some of them are repetitive, sorry.) 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([64.101.220.145]) by XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com ([64.101.220.145]) with mapi id 15.00.1320.000; Thu, 9 Nov 2017 16:42:45 -0500 From: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" To: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" , Eric Rescorla , The IESG , Alvaro Retana CC: "thomas.morin@orange.com" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (with DISCUSS) Thread-Index: AQHTKZpraKgO8hij10mk8mmYwytVR6LHTAkAgAAzgwCAMJeXAIAUqrUA Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 21:42:45 +0000 Message-ID: References: <150498212906.8167.3812629658977416528.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.7.7.170905 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.19.76.52] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D62A0B3822AF50sajassiciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 21:42:51 -0000 --_000_D62A0B3822AF50sajassiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eric, Let me know if you have any further questions/comments. Cheers, Ali From: Cisco Employee > Date: Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:06 AM To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" >= , Eric Rescorla >, The IESG > Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" >, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" >,= "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org" >, "bess@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (wit= h DISCUSS) Resent-From: > Resent-To: Cisco Employee >, >, >, >, >, > Resent-Date: Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:06 AM Hi Eric, The "leaf" or "root" designation of an Attachment Circuit (AC) is done by t= he operator / service provider on the PE device (and not on a CE). So, CE d= evice has no control in changing a "leaf" designation to a "root". I added = "the network operator / service provider" to the text. Furthermore, I added= additional text to address your second concern (e.g., regarding how to avo= id any exchange among leaf ACs): "Furthermore, this document provides additional security check by allowing = sites (or ACs) of an EVPN instance to be designated as "Root" or "Leaf" by = the network operator/ service provider and thus preventing any traffic exch= ange among "Leaf" sites of that VPN through ingress filtering for known uni= cast traffic and egress filtering for BUM traffic. Since by default and for= the purpose of backward compatibility, an AC that doesn't have a leaf desi= gnation is considered as a root AC, in order to avoid any traffic exchange= among leaf ACs, the operator SHOULD configure the AC with a proper role (l= eaf or root) before activating the AC." Cheers, Ali From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" > Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 6:03 AM To: Eric Rescorla >, The IESG > Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" >, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" >,= "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org" >, "bess@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (wit= h DISCUSS) Resent-From: > Resent-To: Cisco Employee >, >, >, >, >, > Resent-Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 6:03 AM Hi! I don't have anything in my archive either. :-( I just poked the authors... Alvaro. On 9/26/17, 5:59 AM, "Eric Rescorla" > wr= ote: I have some memory that someone responded that this wasn't a security requi= rement, but I can't find that now. -Ekr On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Eric Rescorla > wrote: Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- It's not clear to me if the prohibition on leaf-to-leaf communications is intended to be a security requirement. If so, it seems like it needs to explicitly state why it is not possible for ACs which are leaf to pretend t= o be root. If not, then it should say so. Additionally, this solution appears to rely very heavily on filtering, so I believe some text about what happens during periods of filtering inconsistency (and what the impact on the secur= ity is). --_000_D62A0B3822AF50sajassiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <28D96F21EA81A04686D4298EAF5DE307@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Eric,

Let me know if you have any further questions/comments.

Cheers,
Ali

From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
Date: Friday, October 27, 2017 at 1= 0:06 AM
To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)&q= uot; <aretana@cisco.com>, Er= ic Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, The I= ESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" <thomas.morin@orange.com>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-be= ss-evpn-etree@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Discus= s on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (with DISCUSS)
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>, <ssalam@cisco.com>, <jdrake@juniper.net>, <ju1738@att.com>, <sboutros@vmware.com>, &l= t;jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>= ;
Resent-Date: Friday, October 27, 20= 17 at 10:06 AM

Hi Eric,

The “leaf” or “root” designation of an Attachm= ent Circuit (AC) is done by the operator / service provider on the PE devic= e (and not on a CE). So, CE device has no control in changing a “leaf= ” designation to a “root”. I added “the network ope= rator / service provider” to the text. Furthermore, I added additional text to addre= ss your second concern (e.g., regarding how to avoid any exchange among lea= f ACs): 

"Furthermore, this document provides additional security check by= allowing sites (or ACs) of an EVPN instance to be designated as "Root= " or "Leaf" by the network operator/ service provider and th= us preventing any traffic exchange among "Leaf" sites of that VPN through ingress filtering for known unicast traffic and egress fi= ltering for BUM traffic. Since by default and for the purpose of backward c= ompatibility, an AC that doesn't have a leaf designation is considered as a= root AC, in order to avoid any  traffic exchange among leaf ACs, the operator SHOULD configure the A= C with a proper role (leaf or root) before activating the AC."

Cheers,
Ali

From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)= " <aretana@cisco.com> Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 a= t 6:03 AM
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" <thomas.morin@orange.com>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-be= ss-evpn-etree@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Discus= s on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (with DISCUSS)
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>, <ssalam@cisco.com>, <jdrake@juniper.net>, <ju1738@att.com>, <sboutros@vmware.com>, &l= t;jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>= ;
Resent-Date: Tuesday, September 26,= 2017 at 6:03 AM

Hi!

 

I don’t have anything in my archive either. :-= (

 

I just poked the authors…

 

Alvaro.

 

On 9/26/17, 5:59 AM, "Eric Rescorla" <<= a href=3D"mailto:ekr@rtfm.com">ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:

 

I have some memory that someone responded that this = wasn't a security requirement, but I can't find that now.

 

-Ekr

 

 

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Eric Rescorla <<= a href=3D"mailto:ekr@rtfm.com" target=3D"_blank">ekr@rtfm.com> wrote= :

Eric Rescorla has ent= ered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: Discuss

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
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The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
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DISCUSS:
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It's not clear to me if the prohibition on leaf-to-leaf communications is intended to be a security requirement. If so, it seems like it needs to
explicitly state why it is not possible for ACs which are leaf to pretend t= o be
root. If not, then it should say so. Additionally, this solution appears to=
rely very heavily on filtering, so I believe some text about what happens during periods of filtering inconsistency (and what the impact on the secur= ity
is).



 

 --_000_D62A0B3822AF50sajassiciscocom_-- From nobody Mon Nov 13 18:42:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFB81275C5; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:42:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.092 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.092 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, LOCALPART_IN_SUBJECT=1.107, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yUaEka8uJfZ5; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B403C12726E; Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:42:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C313D58C55B; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 03:42:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id AEEAFB0D181; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 03:42:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 03:42:33 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: bess@ietf.org Cc: mboned@ietf.org Message-ID: <20171114024232.GF19390@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: [bess] bess: draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 02:42:43 -0000 Jeffrey presented subject draft in mboned. Given how i am not usually tracking BESS WG mailing list and may not be around: I would like to see subject draft to be adopted as a WG document in BESS and become an update to RFC6514 (not to say bugfix ;-). Feeedback detail: The draft should be amended to fix the same problem not only for MSDP SA but also RFC4610 and probably accordingly change the draft name. Cross-posted to mboned (sorry) because there where a couple of MBoned participants expressing support for the draft in BESS and may like me not be BESS regulars. Cheers Toerless From nobody Mon Nov 20 04:07:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D48F129564 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 04:07:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 47z-Du6113mK for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 04:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (asmtp5.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6361112954C for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 04:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id vAKC7h6W026826 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:07:43 GMT Received: from 950129200 (116.133.112.87.dyn.plus.net [87.112.133.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id vAKC7gRC026797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:07:43 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:07:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19f101d361f8$2aff6280$80fe2780$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdNh9uaxXDUA535WTyibRsHG0gZIyQ== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-23476.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--10.774-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--10.774-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: D4BgP5Q0mLDm2Ia5KlNDU7a0rLOn7IyWBgA+oehWZhEAIXlMppp3X6+2 iUhw8uh43S0syjcxU66l+/2BbC+On/QPRH4blNMcGAZMT5SLmAlA8I/PJy4EUzCmUYns3FLTKN+ mPLZGXSjSxAD4g+xCFL66kgsguhNCvtzYfLMLCirKl4yJoI+fGwkN8Uvsy+nth5Q1ArtCPlz2wu +LPoaXV3vdB58C48/WCFM6nYoR6ZjYMEqhScrQBcikxLAkSHclnophrTcsI7abKItl61J/ycnjL TA/UDoAxpQ77C1A1tqOhzOa6g8KraGY91VPI0B8JNYB0pZFpDf8+gn2a/zcuc6SqbrNnRYotzol rrdhKzM= Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Request for review : L2VPN service model X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:07:48 -0000 Hi, As I said at the mic in Singapore, the L2VPN service model (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-l2sm-l2vpn-service-model/) is getting close to WG last call (probably just one revision and a YANG review first) and would really benefit from review. Recall that this model is not a device model and is not about how a VPN is implemented or realized in a network, but is about how the VPN service is discussed between a service provider and their customer. In view of this, review from three perspectives would be particularly useful: - customers (e.g., enterprises) to let us know that the description of the service is how you would request a service - service providers to let us know if the model fits with how you describe the services you sell - implementers of management systems to understand that whether they could map from the service description to the network configuration that is needed to operate the VPN. Of course, all other reviews are also welcome. Please send comments to the L2SM list (not this list!). Thanks, Adrian (L2SM co-chair) From nobody Mon Nov 20 08:12:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A990129B40; Mon, 20 Nov 2017 08:12:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151119432762.21977.4059968475042852683@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 08:12:07 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:12:08 -0000 Dear Adrian Farrel, John Drake, Eric C. Rosen, Jim Uttaro, Luay Jalil: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "BGP Control Plane for NSH SFC" (draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3107/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Tue Nov 21 12:38:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E20E129BCD; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:38:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151129670545.8812.6805336331465224399@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 12:38:25 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-evpn-prefix-advertisement-09.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:38:25 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : IP Prefix Advertisement in EVPN Authors : Jorge Rabadan Wim Henderickx John E. Drake Wen Lin Ali Sajassi Filename : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-prefix-advertisement-09.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2017-11-21 Abstract: EVPN provides a flexible control plane that allows intra-subnet connectivity in an MPLS and/or NVO-based network. In some networks, there is also a need for a dynamic and efficient inter-subnet connectivity across Tenant Systems and End Devices that can be physical or virtual and do not necessarily participate in dynamic routing protocols. This document defines a new EVPN route type for the advertisement of IP Prefixes and explains some use-case examples where this new route-type is used. 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Ip=[66.129.239.15]; Helo=[P-EMFE01C-SAC.jnpr.net] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1PR0501MB2077 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2017-11-22_06:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_spam_notspam policy=outbound_spam score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1709140000 definitions=main-1711220298 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] bess: draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 23:10:00 -0000 Toerless, Thanks for the comments. After thinking about your feedback on RFC4610 a bit, I'm not sure that case is applicable here. Consider the 2 directions of interworking: 1) MSDP SA/AnycastRP_PIM_Register -> MVPN SA 2) MVPN SA -> MSDP SA/AnycastRP_PIM_Register As I understand, #1 is already covered by RFC6513/6514. #2 is the missing piece that this draft attempts to address. I don't believe #2 will be applicable for RFC4610, as these registers only go to members of the RP set. And the RP set should be configured on all the C-RPs. It wouldn't make much sense to have these registers transit the MVPN domain to go to an AnycastRP not in the configured RP set. Hope this is clear, and let me know if I'm missing anything. -Lenny | -----Original Message----- | From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Toerless Eckert | Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:43 PM | To: bess@ietf.org | Cc: mboned@ietf.org | Subject: [bess] bess: draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation | | Jeffrey presented subject draft in mboned. Given how i am | not usually tracking BESS WG mailing list and may not be around: | | I would like to see subject draft to be adopted as a WG document in BESS | and become an update to RFC6514 (not to say bugfix ;-). | | Feeedback detail: The draft should be amended to fix the same problem not only for | MSDP SA but also RFC4610 and probably accordingly change the draft name. | | Cross-posted to mboned (sorry) because there where a couple of MBoned | participants expressing support for the draft in BESS and may like me not | be BESS regulars. | | Cheers | Toerless From nobody Thu Nov 23 02:13:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F4D128792; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:13:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Vigoureux To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: Zhaohui Zhang , zzhang@juniper.net, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, bess-chairs@ietf.org, bess@ietf.org Message-ID: <151143203465.13147.4108269060475534223.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 02:13:54 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-prefix-advertisement-09 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:13:55 -0000 Martin Vigoureux has requested publication of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-prefix-advertisement-09 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the BESS working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-prefix-advertisement/ From nobody Thu Nov 23 22:30:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8C7129AE9; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 22:30:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Tlpe5gVVH-C; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 22:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DED27129AEB; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 22:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3939E58C4B9; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 07:30:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 118EEB0D273; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 07:30:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 07:30:41 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Leonard Giuliano Cc: Toerless Eckert , bess@ietf.org, MBONED WG Message-ID: <20171124063041.GA21793@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20171114024232.GF19390@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] bess: draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 06:30:49 -0000 Hi Lenny, a) I was asking Jeffrey in the WG meeting if he saw any difference between MSDP and 4610 wrt. to the applicability of your draft, and he also said no (as i think too), thats where this originated. b) Wrt to your contentions below: 1) I agree, #1 is covered - for both MVPN SA and rfc4610 register messages according to rfc6514, 14.1. 2) Let first make the argument where MSDP and rfc4610 operate equally: when you configure an MSDP mesh group. If all the non-PE RPs in an MVPN C domain are either an MSDP mesh group or an rfc4610 RP-set (same function, different names), then you could just add some PE as members of the MSDP mesh group or the RFC4610 RP-set and that would work "fine" without extending rfc6514 14.1, aka: those PEs would learn active C (S,G) and distribute it to all other PE, and they would not need to send any (S,G) SA/register messages back to the non-PE mesh group/rp-set because those RPs already have all state they need. And, as your draft says, as soon as you add more than one PE this way, you have multiple PEs that will send to all other PEs all active C (S,G) state info. And its kinda difficult to figure out how much redundancy one wants to set up that way. So, the model that i thought your draft meant to establish is one where you would avoid having to build a mesh-group/RP-set across all non-PE RPs in a large network: You would logically have a per-MVPN-site mesh-group/RP-set between the PEs of that site (one or more) and one or more non-PE RP. Whenenver a PE receives an MVPN SA that comes from another site, it would forward it to the other non-PE members of this mesh-group/RP-set, and your new draft section 3 would permit this type of source check (i am not completeley through understanding that part of your draft). So, that would be a very scaleable setup as soon as you have non-PE RPs in the MVPN. 3) MSDP of course has setup options not shared with rfc6410, aka: any setup that is more than a mesh-group. If you intended for the draft to also apply to such cases, it would be great to give examples of the so tht one can check if/how the proposed spec in your draft would work in the fce of those cases existing MSDP RPF rules (which can of course be quite complex). 3) Btw: It would be good if you would add some picture to your draft starting from section 2 to illustrate your text example PE1, PE2 and so on. Also, your draft says: [RFC6514] only specifies that a PE receiving the MVPN SA routes, say PE2, will advertise (C-S,C-G) C-multicast routes if it has corresponding (C-*,C-G) state learnt from its CE can you point me to the text in 6514 that says that ? Cheers Toerless On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 02:38:09PM -0800, Leonard Giuliano wrote: > Toerless, > > Thanks for the comments. After thinking about your feedback on RFC4610 a > bit, I'm not sure that case is applicable here. Consider the 2 directions > of interworking: > > 1) MSDP SA/AnycastRP_PIM_Register -> MVPN SA > > 2) MVPN SA -> MSDP SA/AnycastRP_PIM_Register > > As I understand, #1 is already covered by RFC6513/6514. #2 is the missing > piece that this draft attempts to address. I don't believe #2 will be > applicable for RFC4610, as these registers only go to members of the RP > set. And the RP set should be configured on all the C-RPs. It wouldn't > make much sense to have these registers transit the MVPN domain to go to > an AnycastRP not in the configured RP set. > > Hope this is clear, and let me know if I'm missing anything. > > -Lenny > > | -----Original Message----- > | From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Toerless Eckert > | Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:43 PM > | To: bess@ietf.org > | Cc: mboned@ietf.org > | Subject: [bess] bess: draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation > | > | Jeffrey presented subject draft in mboned. Given how i am > | not usually tracking BESS WG mailing list and may not be around: > | > | I would like to see subject draft to be adopted as a WG document in BESS > | and become an update to RFC6514 (not to say bugfix ;-). > | > | Feeedback detail: The draft should be amended to fix the same problem not only for > | MSDP SA but also RFC4610 and probably accordingly change the draft name. > | > | Cross-posted to mboned (sorry) because there where a couple of MBoned > | participants expressing support for the draft in BESS and may like me not > | be BESS regulars. > | > | Cheers > | Toerless -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Fri Nov 24 06:26:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD37B12894A; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 06:26:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR0501MB2070; H:DM5PR05MB3145.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 1f688115-d6ef-4bf2-4212-08d5334760a9 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 24 Nov 2017 14:26:39.9411 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR0501MB2070 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2017-11-24_05:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_spam_notspam policy=outbound_spam score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1709140000 definitions=main-1711240196 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] bess: draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 14:26:57 -0000 Hi Toerless, > -----Original Message----- > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Toerless Eckert > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 1:31 AM > To: Lenny Giuliano > Cc: MBONED WG ; Toerless Eckert ; > bess@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [bess] bess: draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation >=20 > Hi Lenny, >=20 > a) I was asking Jeffrey in the WG meeting if he saw any difference > between MSDP and 4610 wrt. to the applicability of your draft, and > he also said no (as i think too), thats where this originated. On the spot I did make a mistake that I thought with 4610 the RPs would pro= pagate registers (received from a C-RP) to another :-) Lenny caught that. >=20 > b) Wrt to your contentions below: >=20 > 1) I agree, #1 is covered - for both MVPN SA and rfc4610 register > messages according to rfc6514, 14.1. >=20 > 2) Let first make the argument where MSDP and rfc4610 operate equally: > when you configure an MSDP mesh group. If all the non-PE RPs in an > MVPN C domain are either an MSDP mesh group or an rfc4610 RP-set > (same function, different names), then you could just add some PE > as members of the MSDP mesh group or the RFC4610 RP-set and that > would work "fine" without extending rfc6514 14.1, aka: those PEs > would learn active C (S,G) and distribute it to all other PE, and > they would not need to send any (S,G) SA/register messages back to the > non-PE mesh group/rp-set because those RPs already have all state > they need. And, as your draft says, as soon as you add more than > one PE this way, you have multiple PEs that will send to all other > PEs all active C (S,G) state info. And its kinda difficult to figure > out how much redundancy one wants to set up that way. Correct. >=20 > So, the model that i thought your draft meant to establish is one > where you would avoid having to build a mesh-group/RP-set across all > non-PE RPs in a large network: Not to "avoid" -- just to make it work (better) -- when there is no such me= sh-group/RP-set across all non-PE RPs, by making all RP-PEs into an MSDP me= sh-group of their own (though replacing MSDP session with BGP-MVPN session)= . >=20 > You would logically have a per-MVPN-site mesh-group/RP-set between > the PEs of that site (one or more) and one or more non-PE RP. And the RP-PEs will be in their own "core" mesh. > Whenenver a PE receives an MVPN SA that comes from another site, > it would forward it to the other non-PE members of this mesh-group/RP-= set, > and your new draft section 3 would permit this type of source check > (i am not completeley through understanding that part of your draft). >=20 > So, that would be a very scaleable setup as soon as you have > non-PE RPs in the MVPN. >=20 > 3) MSDP of course has setup options not shared with rfc6410, aka: > any setup that is more than a mesh-group. If you intended for the > draft to also apply to such cases, Yes. > it would be great to give > examples of the so tht one can check if/how the proposed spec in your > draft would work in the fce of those cases existing MSDP RPF rules > (which can of course be quite complex). Yes more text would help. The idea is that MVPN SA messages would just be t= reated as MSDP SAs from the PE that originated the SAs. Those MSDP SAs rece= ived from true MSDP peers and those treated as MSDP SAs would follow the ex= isting MSDP rules. >=20 > 3) Btw: It would be good if you would add some picture to your draft > starting from section 2 to illustrate your text example PE1, PE2 > and so on. Sure. >=20 > Also, your draft says: >=20 > [RFC6514] only specifies that a PE receiving the MVPN SA routes, say > PE2, will advertise (C-S,C-G) C-multicast routes if it has > corresponding (C-*,C-G) state learnt from its CE >=20 > can you point me to the text in 6514 that says that ? The full text is the following: 14.2. Receiver(s) within a Site ... When (as a result of receiving PIM messages from one of its CEs) a PE creates, in one of its MVPN-TIBs, a (new) (C-*,C-G) entry with a non- empty outgoing interface list that contains one or more PE-CE interfaces, the PE MUST check if it has any matching Source Active A-D routes. If there is one or more such matching routes, and the best path to C-S carried in the matching route(s) is reachable through some other PE, then for each such route the PE MUST originate a Source Tree Join C-multicast route. If there is one or more such matching routes, and the best path to C-S carried in the matching route(s) is reachable through a CE connected to the PE, then for each such route the PE MUST originate a PIM Join (C-S,C-G) towards the CE. When, as a result of receiving a new Source Active A-D route, a PE updates its VRF with the route, the PE MUST check if the newly received route matches any (C-*,C-G) entries. If there is a matching entry, and the best path to C-S carried in the (A-D) route is reachable through some other PE, the PE MUST originate a Source Tree Join C-multicast route for the (C-S,C-G) carried by the route. If there is a matching entry, and the best path to C-S carried in the (A-D) route is reachable through a CE connected to the PE, the PE MUST originate a PIM Join (C-S,C-G) towards the CE. Jeffrey >=20 > Cheers > Toerless >=20 > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 02:38:09PM -0800, Leonard Giuliano wrote: > > Toerless, > > > > Thanks for the comments. After thinking about your feedback on RFC4610= a > > bit, I'm not sure that case is applicable here. Consider the 2 directi= ons > > of interworking: > > > > 1) MSDP SA/AnycastRP_PIM_Register -> MVPN SA > > > > 2) MVPN SA -> MSDP SA/AnycastRP_PIM_Register > > > > As I understand, #1 is already covered by RFC6513/6514. #2 is the miss= ing > > piece that this draft attempts to address. I don't believe #2 will be > > applicable for RFC4610, as these registers only go to members of the RP > > set. And the RP set should be configured on all the C-RPs. It wouldn'= t > > make much sense to have these registers transit the MVPN domain to go t= o > > an AnycastRP not in the configured RP set. > > > > Hope this is clear, and let me know if I'm missing anything. > > > > -Lenny > > > > | -----Original Message----- > > | From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Toerless Ecker= t > > | Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:43 PM > > | To: bess@ietf.org > > | Cc: mboned@ietf.org > > | Subject: [bess] bess: draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation > > | > > | Jeffrey presented subject draft in mboned. Given how i am > > | not usually tracking BESS WG mailing list and may not be around: > > | > > | I would like to see subject draft to be adopted as a WG document in B= ESS > > | and become an update to RFC6514 (not to say bugfix ;-). > > | > > | Feeedback detail: The draft should be amended to fix the same problem > not only for > > | MSDP SA but also RFC4610 and probably accordingly change the draft > name. > > | > > | Cross-posted to mboned (sorry) because there where a couple of MBoned > > | participants expressing support for the draft in BESS and may like me= not > > | be BESS regulars. > > | > > | Cheers > > | Toerless >=20 > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de >=20 > _______________________________________________ > BESS mailing list > BESS@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bess&d=3DDwICAg&c=3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbf > h0UjBXeMK- > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=3Df7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > m=3DhQz-NA6r7ahWKqMy6aI7ZXX5lvGX1ubRovr3Co5_VNE&s=3DrC5k8JOSHYD- > XaNaPGxhtl-yyDQhzqd909XjwXnS5EI&e=3D From nobody Fri Nov 24 07:21:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456A012895E; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 07:21:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VArSVyC5arrs; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 07:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15294128891; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 07:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:77]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D46158C4FF; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 16:21:49 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 2D9A2B0D279; Fri, 24 Nov 2017 16:21:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 16:21:49 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" Cc: Lenny Giuliano , MBONED WG , Toerless Eckert , "bess@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20171124152148.GB21793@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20171114024232.GF19390@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20171124063041.GA21793@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] bess: draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:21:57 -0000 On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 02:26:39PM +0000, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang wrote: > > a) I was asking Jeffrey in the WG meeting if he saw any difference > > between MSDP and 4610 wrt. to the applicability of your draft, and > > he also said no (as i think too), thats where this originated. > > On the spot I did make a mistake that I thought with 4610 the RPs would propagate registers (received from a C-RP) to another :-) Lenny caught that. Ok. But the fact that it does not just means tht 4610 just acts like an MSDP mesh group, and your draft is equally applicable to MSDP mesh groups and therefore equally to 4610 (IMHO). In fact, as soon as you have a setup that is not equivalent to a mesh group, considerations for MSDP become more difficult. [...] > > it would be great to give > > examples of the so tht one can check if/how the proposed spec in your > > draft would work in the fce of those cases existing MSDP RPF rules > > (which can of course be quite complex). > > Yes more text would help. The idea is that MVPN SA messages would just be treated as MSDP SAs from the PE that originated the SAs. Those MSDP SAs received from true MSDP peers and those treated as MSDP SAs would follow the existing MSDP rules. Right. But the problem is when you have non-PE RPs running MSDP without mesh group, so the MSDP connectivity is set up with the assumption that some of the RPF rules apply to avid looping MSDP SAs. Now you introduce an MVPN core represented in that MSDP SA RPF loop prevention, and you need to look how that will work. I have not tried to imagine any such complex non-mesh-group seteup because i have not see this in the real world. If you have, then it would be great to explain that example in the draft. But if you have any such example from the real world, i think we have a more fundamental problem: If there are really future important non-mesh group MSDP + MVPN examples, that can not be converted better to mesh groups, then we have the fundamental problem that we have no solution (yet) how to solve such setup requirements with IPv6. Because we don't have MSDP there. And we established it can't be converted to mesh-group. Aka: can't be replaced with 6410. So, i would suggest the draft distinguishes between mesh-group and non-mesh-group MSDP setups. For the mesh-group setups, it should be defined to work equally for MSDP and 6410. For the non-mesh group setup we shuold vet whether that case is declared to be "non-relevant/ non-supported" because we have no evidence of need in real-world... OR we have to solve another IPv6 issue. Cheer Toerless > > > > 3) Btw: It would be good if you would add some picture to your draft > > starting from section 2 to illustrate your text example PE1, PE2 > > and so on. > > Sure. > > > > > Also, your draft says: > > > > [RFC6514] only specifies that a PE receiving the MVPN SA routes, say > > PE2, will advertise (C-S,C-G) C-multicast routes if it has > > corresponding (C-*,C-G) state learnt from its CE > > > > can you point me to the text in 6514 that says that ? > > The full text is the following: > > 14.2. Receiver(s) within a Site > > ... > > When (as a result of receiving PIM messages from one of its CEs) a PE > creates, in one of its MVPN-TIBs, a (new) (C-*,C-G) entry with a non- > empty outgoing interface list that contains one or more PE-CE > interfaces, the PE MUST check if it has any matching Source Active > A-D routes. If there is one or more such matching routes, and the > best path to C-S carried in the matching route(s) is reachable > through some other PE, then for each such route the PE MUST originate > a Source Tree Join C-multicast route. If there is one or more such > matching routes, and the best path to C-S carried in the matching > route(s) is reachable through a CE connected to the PE, then for each > such route the PE MUST originate a PIM Join (C-S,C-G) towards the CE. > > When, as a result of receiving a new Source Active A-D route, a PE > updates its VRF with the route, the PE MUST check if the newly > received route matches any (C-*,C-G) entries. If there is a matching > entry, and the best path to C-S carried in the (A-D) route is > reachable through some other PE, the PE MUST originate a Source Tree > Join C-multicast route for the (C-S,C-G) carried by the route. If > there is a matching entry, and the best path to C-S carried in the > (A-D) route is reachable through a CE connected to the PE, the PE > MUST originate a PIM Join (C-S,C-G) towards the CE. > > Jeffrey > > > > > Cheers > > Toerless > > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 02:38:09PM -0800, Leonard Giuliano wrote: > > > Toerless, > > > > > > Thanks for the comments. After thinking about your feedback on RFC4610 a > > > bit, I'm not sure that case is applicable here. Consider the 2 directions > > > of interworking: > > > > > > 1) MSDP SA/AnycastRP_PIM_Register -> MVPN SA > > > > > > 2) MVPN SA -> MSDP SA/AnycastRP_PIM_Register > > > > > > As I understand, #1 is already covered by RFC6513/6514. #2 is the missing > > > piece that this draft attempts to address. I don't believe #2 will be > > > applicable for RFC4610, as these registers only go to members of the RP > > > set. And the RP set should be configured on all the C-RPs. It wouldn't > > > make much sense to have these registers transit the MVPN domain to go to > > > an AnycastRP not in the configured RP set. > > > > > > Hope this is clear, and let me know if I'm missing anything. > > > > > > -Lenny > > > > > > | -----Original Message----- > > > | From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Toerless Eckert > > > | Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:43 PM > > > | To: bess@ietf.org > > > | Cc: mboned@ietf.org > > > | Subject: [bess] bess: draft-zzhang-bess-mvpn-msdp-sa-interoperation > > > | > > > | Jeffrey presented subject draft in mboned. Given how i am > > > | not usually tracking BESS WG mailing list and may not be around: > > > | > > > | I would like to see subject draft to be adopted as a WG document in BESS > > > | and become an update to RFC6514 (not to say bugfix ;-). > > > | > > > | Feeedback detail: The draft should be amended to fix the same problem > > not only for > > > | MSDP SA but also RFC4610 and probably accordingly change the draft > > name. > > > | > > > | Cross-posted to mboned (sorry) because there where a couple of MBoned > > > | participants expressing support for the draft in BESS and may like me not > > > | be BESS regulars. > > > | > > > | Cheers > > > | Toerless > > > > -- > > --- > > tte@cs.fau.de > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BESS mailing list > > BESS@ietf.org > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_bess&d=DwICAg&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbf > > h0UjBXeMK- > > ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=f7wsLGcfzAWDNS6XNTBZwj_OLAOsZZqdrR2IDAzeZqE& > > m=hQz-NA6r7ahWKqMy6aI7ZXX5lvGX1ubRovr3Co5_VNE&s=rC5k8JOSHYD- > > XaNaPGxhtl-yyDQhzqd909XjwXnS5EI&e= -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Mon Nov 27 11:33:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietf.org Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B081242F5; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 11:33:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: bess@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.66.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151181120781.30902.8987740866651129155@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 11:33:27 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [bess] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-12.txt X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 19:33:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF. Title : L2L3 VPN Multicast MIB Authors : Zhaohui (Jeffrey) Zhang Hiroshi Tsunoda Filename : draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-12.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2017-11-27 Abstract: This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes two MIB modules which will be used by other MIB modules for monitoring and/or configuring Layer 2 and Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks that support multicast. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-12 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-12 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Keeni" Cc: Mach Chen , mib-doctors@ietf.org, "Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang" , "EXT - thomas.morin@orange.com" , Martin Vigoureux , bess@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [bess] Update to draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-12 X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 23:10:34 -0000 Dear Glenn, May I ask you to give one more review for draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib matter? I posted a new revision (-12). In this revision, I have made the following changes in order to make the MIB simpler and be less dependent on BGP. - Added l2L3VpnMCastPmsiTunnelLeafInfoRequired object. This object corresponds to "Leaf Information Required" flag in Flags field. - Removed two objects shown below - l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags - l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeAddlFlags - Fixed some editorial issues. Links to the draft and diff are as follows. 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Can you ple= ase progress this draft and let me know if there is anything else you need = from me. Regards, Ali From: Cisco Employee > Date: Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 1:42 PM To: Cisco Employee >, Eric Resc= orla >, The IESG >, Alvaro Retana > Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" >, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" >,= "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org" >, "bess@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (wit= h DISCUSS) Hi Eric, Let me know if you have any further questions/comments. Cheers, Ali From: Cisco Employee > Date: Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:06 AM To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" >= , Eric Rescorla >, The IESG > Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" >, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" >,= "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org" >, "bess@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (wit= h DISCUSS) Resent-From: > Resent-To: Cisco Employee >, >, >, >, >, > Resent-Date: Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:06 AM Hi Eric, The =93leaf=94 or =93root=94 designation of an Attachment Circuit (AC) is d= one by the operator / service provider on the PE device (and not on a CE). = So, CE device has no control in changing a =93leaf=94 designation to a =93r= oot=94. I added =93the network operator / service provider=94 to the text. = Furthermore, I added additional text to address your second concern (e.g., = regarding how to avoid any exchange among leaf ACs): "Furthermore, this document provides additional security check by allowing = sites (or ACs) of an EVPN instance to be designated as "Root" or "Leaf" by = the network operator/ service provider and thus preventing any traffic exch= ange among "Leaf" sites of that VPN through ingress filtering for known uni= cast traffic and egress filtering for BUM traffic. Since by default and for= the purpose of backward compatibility, an AC that doesn't have a leaf desi= gnation is considered as a root AC, in order to avoid any traffic exchange= among leaf ACs, the operator SHOULD configure the AC with a proper role (l= eaf or root) before activating the AC." Cheers, Ali From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" > Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 6:03 AM To: Eric Rescorla >, The IESG > Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" >, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" >,= "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org" >, "bess@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (wit= h DISCUSS) Resent-From: > Resent-To: Cisco Employee >, >, >, >, >, > Resent-Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 6:03 AM Hi! I don=92t have anything in my archive either. :-( I just poked the authors=85 Alvaro. On 9/26/17, 5:59 AM, "Eric Rescorla" > wr= ote: I have some memory that someone responded that this wasn't a security requi= rement, but I can't find that now. -Ekr On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Eric Rescorla > wrote: Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- It's not clear to me if the prohibition on leaf-to-leaf communications is intended to be a security requirement. If so, it seems like it needs to explicitly state why it is not possible for ACs which are leaf to pretend t= o be root. If not, then it should say so. Additionally, this solution appears to rely very heavily on filtering, so I believe some text about what happens during periods of filtering inconsistency (and what the impact on the secur= ity is). --_000_D6458F0D22DF89sajassiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Alvaro, 

I have addressed all the comments from IESG (including Eric Rescorla= =92s comments) but the status of this draft still shows "AD Followup&q= uot;. Can you please progress this draft and let me know if there is anythi= ng else you need from me.

Regards,
Ali

From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, November 9, 2017 at= 1:42 PM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" <thomas.morin@orange.com>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-be= ss-evpn-etree@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Discus= s on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (with DISCUSS)

Hi Eric,

Let me know if you have any further questions/comments.

Cheers,
Ali

From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
Date: Friday, October 27, 2017 at 1= 0:06 AM
To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)&q= uot; <aretana@cisco.com>, Er= ic Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, The I= ESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" <thomas.morin@orange.com>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-be= ss-evpn-etree@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Discus= s on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (with DISCUSS)
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>, <ssalam@cisco.com>, <jdrake@juniper.net>, <ju1738@att.com>, <sboutros@vmware.com>, &l= t;jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>= ;
Resent-Date: Friday, October 27, 20= 17 at 10:06 AM

Hi Eric,

The =93leaf=94 or =93root=94 designation of an Attachment Circuit (AC)= is done by the operator / service provider on the PE device (and not on a = CE). So, CE device has no control in changing a =93leaf=94 designation to a= =93root=94. I added =93the network operator / service provider=94 to the text. Furthermore, I added additional text to address y= our second concern (e.g., regarding how to avoid any exchange among leaf AC= s): 

"Furthermore, this document provides additional security check by= allowing sites (or ACs) of an EVPN instance to be designated as "Root= " or "Leaf" by the network operator/ service provider and th= us preventing any traffic exchange among "Leaf" sites of that VPN through ingress filtering for known unicast traffic and egress fi= ltering for BUM traffic. Since by default and for the purpose of backward c= ompatibility, an AC that doesn't have a leaf designation is considered as a= root AC, in order to avoid any  traffic exchange among leaf ACs, the operator SHOULD configure the A= C with a proper role (leaf or root) before activating the AC."

Cheers,
Ali

From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)= " <aretana@cisco.com> Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 a= t 6:03 AM
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" <thomas.morin@orange.com>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-be= ss-evpn-etree@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Discus= s on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (with DISCUSS)
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>, <ssalam@cisco.com>, <jdrake@juniper.net>, <ju1738@att.com>, <sboutros@vmware.com>, &l= t;jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>= ;
Resent-Date: Tuesday, September 26,= 2017 at 6:03 AM

Hi!

 

I don=92t have anything in my archive either. :-(

 

I just poked the authors=85

 

Alvaro.

 

On 9/26/17, 5:59 AM, "Eric Rescorla" <<= a href=3D"mailto:ekr@rtfm.com">ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:

 

I have some memory that someone responded that this = wasn't a security requirement, but I can't find that now.

 

-Ekr

 

 

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Eric Rescorla <<= a href=3D"mailto:ekr@rtfm.com" target=3D"_blank">ekr@rtfm.com> wrote= :

Eric Rescorla has ent= ered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: Discuss

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree= /



----------------------------------------------------------------------
DISCUSS:
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It's not clear to me if the prohibition on leaf-to-leaf communications is intended to be a security requirement. If so, it seems like it needs to
explicitly state why it is not possible for ACs which are leaf to pretend t= o be
root. If not, then it should say so. Additionally, this solution appears to=
rely very heavily on filtering, so I believe some text about what happens during periods of filtering inconsistency (and what the impact on the secur= ity
is).



 

 --_000_D6458F0D22DF89sajassiciscocom_-- From nobody Thu Nov 30 11:10:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bess@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B9D129496 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:10:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3viWryJyNfNF for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yb0-x233.google.com (mail-yb0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9E27128E19 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yb0-x233.google.com with SMTP id i15so3123860ybk.0 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:10:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rtfm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vQQQ2W3IOQDKgvHv9oDEb1Az1HFp8xqWyC0sjq6htFM=; b=ZUeCGIhiLxvX28sGzYY5nmGP79U5jLHiyajTK32ZwyM/3Kg6DoSyaqPoceZWcFSUEd sdFWUqoX5DH1LzRmQ00JXoJk15rV0+GheXyOJ/5FvL+qr3wXo84gcBsm60gEdwQusmdM hvZTrmIN4xg+iqjsVgEodzGhcCel+Mgp9g878HAULVuOFnZPWeJ5Ntiypl7xUOyHbuZU GMA7p1ccNjbtK538euwRWeOmp6KtdLDRr0zQ6Nzdi9a0FvVzkUKjmhXAOx6Tnck/SB9k vuAI59Wf7sabd0aQXeQed75V3fMP/E7+JfhS1uRyRFWXYT7LC2Q78tcpRXHO30WdYYCJ k3XQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vQQQ2W3IOQDKgvHv9oDEb1Az1HFp8xqWyC0sjq6htFM=; b=MCXPsI60qWJriC7uILS79TROBIk/YEkIMS84W4JXUb3HfnXSKeLSeTbReoZBb9lWwC /PKa+RHXm2IykQQM8EohJzdsnXkH+5f/dmKUNcKHc0Xhm0UgoUFNptZQy1raOwz+10oO jzu0ridh1GtoauUzeSiCxYE93ikGHc1+4BvYkFGgs/JpWGleuD5+dXkkQmelgV+/pK6e gxYonqs6bJkaLSyB30jLiDcKVycTyNsm9L2z+xuygk2rcQHJLoA2TVft3PSuSvRWvidd 7y8PQIrFVfG1xEKz59JZqypqSwxU1ygUoGgDLwRI74tajrx6a0HLLsh18nr/5IYY7Tzf xT9w== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5haVB4Rgkie5bFliY2rGaDeMMG6qLeLe4iGOBPoctW50GpLqS8 0u/hnObHiNURLPY98G2u9nRGisPpBG5Uk99IK1bttg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZuyeC7l2ViOvcZcVPc1XrAlRPfYFwIJAx54ugfxMfSXqspV5ZToEEi3CJwXOwy06K6X1L9ay7FkY9lhGCQ6aQ= X-Received: by 10.37.16.134 with SMTP id 128mr2251880ybq.474.1512069002074; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:10:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.129.123.132 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:09:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <150498212906.8167.3812629658977416528.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Eric Rescorla Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 11:09:21 -0800 Message-ID: To: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" Cc: The IESG , Alvaro Retana , "thomas.morin@orange.com" , "bess-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c0125abeb5f7055f37ff40" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [bess] Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (with DISCUSS) X-BeenThere: bess@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: BGP-Enabled ServiceS working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:10:08 -0000 --001a11c0125abeb5f7055f37ff40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will try to give this a read this week On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) wrote: > > Hi Alvaro, > > I have addressed all the comments from IESG (including Eric Rescorla=E2= =80=99s > comments) but the status of this draft still shows "AD Followup". Can you > please progress this draft and let me know if there is anything else you > need from me. > > Regards, > Ali > > From: Cisco Employee > Date: Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 1:42 PM > To: Cisco Employee , Eric Rescorla , The > IESG , Alvaro Retana > > Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" , " > bess-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree= @ > ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" < > bess@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: > (with DISCUSS) > > Hi Eric, > > Let me know if you have any further questions/comments. > > Cheers, > Ali > > From: Cisco Employee > Date: Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:06 AM > To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" , Eric Rescorla < > ekr@rtfm.com>, The IESG > Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" , " > bess-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree= @ > ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" < > bess@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: > (with DISCUSS) > Resent-From: > Resent-To: Cisco Employee , , < > jdrake@juniper.net>, , , < > jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> > Resent-Date: Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:06 AM > > Hi Eric, > > The =E2=80=9Cleaf=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Croot=E2=80=9D designation of an At= tachment Circuit (AC) is done by > the operator / service provider on the PE device (and not on a CE). So, C= E > device has no control in changing a =E2=80=9Cleaf=E2=80=9D designation to= a =E2=80=9Croot=E2=80=9D. I added > =E2=80=9Cthe network operator / service provider=E2=80=9D to the text. Fu= rthermore, I added > additional text to address your second concern (e.g., regarding how to > avoid any exchange among leaf ACs): > > "Furthermore, this document provides additional security check by allowin= g > sites (or ACs) of an EVPN instance to be designated as "Root" or "Leaf" b= y > the network operator/ service provider and thus preventing any traffic > exchange among "Leaf" sites of that VPN through ingress filtering for kno= wn > unicast traffic and egress filtering for BUM traffic. Since by default an= d > for the purpose of backward compatibility, an AC that doesn't have a leaf > designation is considered as a root AC, in order to avoid any traffic > exchange among leaf ACs, the operator SHOULD configure the AC with a prop= er > role (leaf or root) before activating the AC." > > Cheers, > Ali > > From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" > Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 6:03 AM > To: Eric Rescorla , The IESG > Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" , " > bess-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree= @ > ietf.org" , "bess@ietf.org" < > bess@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: > (with DISCUSS) > Resent-From: > Resent-To: Cisco Employee , , < > jdrake@juniper.net>, , , < > jorge.rabadan@nokia.com> > Resent-Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 6:03 AM > > Hi! > > > > I don=E2=80=99t have anything in my archive either. :-( > > > > I just poked the authors=E2=80=A6 > > > > Alvaro. > > > > On 9/26/17, 5:59 AM, "Eric Rescorla" wrote: > > > > I have some memory that someone responded that this wasn't a security > requirement, but I can't find that now. > > > > -Ekr > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > Eric Rescorla has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > It's not clear to me if the prohibition on leaf-to-leaf communications is > intended to be a security requirement. If so, it seems like it needs to > explicitly state why it is not possible for ACs which are leaf to pretend > to be > root. If not, then it should say so. Additionally, this solution appears = to > rely very heavily on filtering, so I believe some text about what happens > during periods of filtering inconsistency (and what the impact on the > security > is). > > > > > --001a11c0125abeb5f7055f37ff40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will try to give this a read this week

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:= 46 AM, Ali Sajassi (sajassi) <sajassi@cisco.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

Hi Alvaro,=C2=A0

I have addressed all the comments from IESG (including Eric Rescorla= =E2=80=99s comments) but the status of this draft still shows "AD Foll= owup". Can you please progress this draft and let me know if there is = anything else you need from me.

Regards,
Ali

From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
Date: Thursday, November 9, 2017 at= 1:42 PM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>, Eric = Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com= >, The IESG <i= esg@ietf.org>, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>

Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" <<= a href=3D"mailto:thomas.morin@orange.com" target=3D"_blank">thomas.morin@or= ange.com>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-etree@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Di= scuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (with DISCUSS)

Hi Eric,

Let me know if you have any further questions/comments.

Cheers,
Ali

From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>
Date: Friday, October 27, 2017 at 1= 0:06 AM
To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)&q= uot; <aretana@cis= co.com>, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" <<= a href=3D"mailto:thomas.morin@orange.com" target=3D"_blank">thomas.morin@or= ange.com>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-etree@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Di= scuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (with DISCUSS)
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org> Resent-To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>= , <ssalam@cisco.co= m>, <jdra= ke@juniper.net>, <ju1738@att.com>, <sboutros@vmwa= re.com>, <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>
Resent-Date: Friday, October 27, 20= 17 at 10:06 AM

Hi Eric,

The =E2=80=9Cleaf=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Croot=E2=80=9D designation of an= Attachment Circuit (AC) is done by the operator / service provider on the = PE device (and not on a CE). So, CE device has no control in changing a =E2= =80=9Cleaf=E2=80=9D designation to a =E2=80=9Croot=E2=80=9D. I added =E2=80= =9Cthe network operator / service provider=E2=80=9D to the text. Furthermore, I added additional text to add= ress your second concern (e.g., regarding how to avoid any exchange among l= eaf ACs):=C2=A0

"Furthermore, this document provides additional security check by= allowing sites (or ACs) of an EVPN instance to be designated as "Root= " or "Leaf" by the network operator/ service provider and th= us preventing any traffic exchange among "Leaf" sites of that VPN through ingress filtering for known unicast traffic and egress fi= ltering for BUM traffic. Since by default and for the purpose of backward c= ompatibility, an AC that doesn't have a leaf designation is considered = as a root AC, in order to avoid any =C2=A0traffic exchange among leaf ACs, the operator SHOULD configure the A= C with a proper role (leaf or root) before activating the AC."

Cheers,
Ali

From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)= " <aretana@c= isco.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 a= t 6:03 AM
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: "thomas.morin@orange.com" <<= a href=3D"mailto:thomas.morin@orange.com" target=3D"_blank">thomas.morin@or= ange.com>, "bess-chairs@ietf.org" <bess-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-e= vpn-etree@ietf.org>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Eric Rescorla's Di= scuss on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: (with DISCUSS)
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org> Resent-To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com>= , <ssalam@cisco.co= m>, <jdra= ke@juniper.net>, <ju1738@att.com>, <sboutros@vmwa= re.com>, <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com>
Resent-Date: Tuesday, September 26,= 2017 at 6:03 AM

Hi!

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I don=E2=80=99t have anything in my archive either. = :-(

=C2=A0

I just poked the authors=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

Alvaro.

=C2=A0

On 9/26/17, 5:59 AM, "Eric Rescorla" <<= a href=3D"mailto:ekr@rtfm.com" target=3D"_blank">ekr@rtfm.com> wrote= :

=C2=A0

I have some memory that someone responded that this = wasn't a security requirement, but I can't find that now.

=C2=A0

-Ekr

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Eric Rescorla <<= a href=3D"mailto:ekr@rtfm.com" target=3D"_blank">ekr@rtfm.com> wrote= :

Eric Rescorla has ent= ered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13: Discuss

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-= etree/



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It's not clear to me if the prohibition on leaf-to-leaf communications = is
intended to be a security requirement. If so, it seems like it needs to
explicitly state why it is not possible for ACs which are leaf to pretend t= o be
root. If not, then it should say so. Additionally, this solution appears to=
rely very heavily on filtering, so I believe some text about what happens during periods of filtering inconsistency (and what the impact on the secur= ity
is).



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