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Yes, Support.

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Yes, Support.

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Support.

On 4/1/15, 11:05 AM, "Greg Shepherd" <gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.=
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This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-bier-use-cases/

At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated support for a=
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This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:

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From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
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Subject: [Bier] draft-kumar-bier-use-cases-02: Call for adoption

This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-bier-use-cases/

At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated support for a=
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From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
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This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wijnands-mpls-bier-encapsulation/

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Yes, Support.

Regards,
Nagendra

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Subject: [Bier] draft-przygienda-bier-isis-ranges-02: Call for adoption

This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-przygienda-bier-isis-ranges/

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Agreed.

On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
> I vote “No” since this should be an OSPF WG draft.
> Thanks,
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> From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
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>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-przygienda-bier-isis-ranges/
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>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wijnands-mpls-bier-encapsulation/
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-bier-use-cases/
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rosen-l3vpn-mvpn-bier/
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:

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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-przygienda-bier-isis-ranges/
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Similarly, ISIS related drafts belong to ISIS WG.

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On 4/1/15 18:30 , Peter Psenak wrote:
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> On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
>> I vote “No” since this should be an OSPF WG draft.
>> Thanks,
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>> From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
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>>     This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:
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>>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/
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>>     At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated
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Yes/support

Cheers,
Jeff

From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
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Subject: [Bier] draft-shepherd-bier-problem-statement-02: Call for adoption

This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shepherd-bier-problem-statement/

At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated support for a=
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Thanks,
Greg (chairs)

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Peter, pls read the minutes & agenda of the last meeting .  Question has
been brought up, the IGP drafts & MPLS encaps shall remain in BIER and be
worked on it here. thanks. tony

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com> wrote:

> Similarly, ISIS related drafts belong to ISIS WG.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 4/1/15 18:30 , Peter Psenak wrote:
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>> Agreed.
>>
>> On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
>>
>>> I vote =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D since this should be an OSPF WG draft.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Acee
>>>
>>> From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
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>>> <mailto:bier@ietf.org>>
>>> Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption
>>>
>>>     This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:
>>>
>>>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/
>>>
>>>     At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated
>>>     support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your yes/no
>>>     vote to confirm.
>>>
>>>     Thanks,
>>>     Greg (chairs)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Peter, pls read the minutes &amp; agenda of the last meeti=
ng .=C2=A0 Question has been brought up, the IGP drafts &amp; MPLS encaps s=
hall remain in BIER and be worked on it here. thanks. tony=C2=A0</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at=
 10:06 AM, Peter Psenak <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ppsenak@cis=
co.com" target=3D"_blank">ppsenak@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex">Similarly, ISIS related drafts belong to ISIS WG.<=
span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
Peter</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
On 4/1/15 18:30 , Peter Psenak wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Agreed.<br>
<br>
On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I vote =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D since this should be an OSPF WG draft.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Acee<br>
<br>
From: Greg Shepherd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">gjshep@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" targ=
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Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM<br>
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Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-<u></u>extensions-02: Call for adopt=
ion<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following I=
D:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your ye=
s/no<br>
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<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks,<br>
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<br>
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Yes/support

Cheers,
Jeff

From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
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Subject: [Bier] draft-wijnands-bier-architecture-05: Call for adoption

This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wijnands-bier-architecture/

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Yes/support as co-author

Cheers,
Jeff

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This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wijnands-mpls-bier-encapsulation/

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Yes/support

Cheers,
Jeff

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Subject: [Bier] draft-kumar-bier-use-cases-02: Call for adoption

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gmailer gui confuses me. in case I didn't send yes here yet, yes

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ef=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wijnands-bier-architecture/" t=
arget=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wijnands-bier-archi=
tecture/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 i=
n Dallas, the room indicated support for adoption. Please respond to the li=
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Yes/support

Cheers,
Jeff

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Subject: [Bier] draft-rosen-l3vpn-mvpn-bier-02: Call for adoption

This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rosen-l3vpn-mvpn-bier/

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Yes/support (this drafts should be taken to the ospf wg)

Cheers,
Jeff

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Yes/support (this drafts should be taken to the isis wg)

Cheers,
Jeff

From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
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Subject: [Bier] draft-przygienda-bier-isis-ranges-02: Call for adoption

This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-przygienda-bier-isis-ranges/

At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated support for a=
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Hi,

Please do go reread the charter.  It specifies

"8) IGP extensions. When a BIER domain falls within a "link state
IGP"" network, the information needed to set up the BIER forwarding
tables (e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a given
egress router) may be carried in the link state advertisements of the
IGP. The link state advertisments may also carry other information
related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topologies,
in which case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies are
to be used for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the IGP
will be specified by the WG as Experimental, in cooperation with the
ISIS and OSPF WGs."

to keep the minor extension to the IGPs close to the architecture and
details needed for BIER, which is the larger quantity of work.

As it says, cooperation is critical - both now so those in the OSPF WG
are aware and during WGLC, when we get there.

Regards,
Alia

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com> wrote:

> Agreed.
>
> On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
>
>> I vote =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D since this should be an OSPF WG draft.
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>>
>> From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
>> Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>" <gjshep@gmail.com
>> <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
>> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM
>> To: "bier@ietf.org <mailto:bier@ietf.org>" <bier@ietf.org
>> <mailto:bier@ietf.org>>
>> Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption
>>
>>     This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:
>>
>>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/
>>
>>     At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated
>>     support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your yes/no
>>     vote to confirm.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Greg (chairs)
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Please do go reread the charter.=C2=
=A0 It specifies</div><div><br></div><div>&quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,=
0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-heigh=
t:16.0029983520508px">8) IGP extensions. When a BIER domain falls within a =
&quot;link state</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px">=C2=
=A0</span></div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica=
,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px">IGP&quot;&=
quot; network, the information needed to set up the BIER forwarding=C2=A0</=
span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px"><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-h=
eight:16.0029983520508px">tables (e.g., the mapping between a given bit pos=
ition and a given=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px=
"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-se=
rif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px">egress router) may be ca=
rried in the link state advertisements of the=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"colo=
r:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;li=
ne-height:16.0029983520508px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:a=
rial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508=
px">IGP. The link state advertisments may also carry other information=C2=
=A0</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px"><span style=3D"col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;l=
ine-height:16.0029983520508px">related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may sup=
port multiple topologies,=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983=
520508px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean=
,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px">in which case it=
 may be necessary to advertise which topologies are=C2=A0</span><br style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size=
:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-=
family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.00299=
83520508px">to be used for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to th=
e IGP=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica=
,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px"><span styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px">will be specified by the WG as Exper=
imental, in cooperation with the=C2=A0</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);=
font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.=
0029983520508px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px">ISIS and =
OSPF WGs.&quot;</span><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:aria=
l,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px"=
><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px">to =
keep the minor extension to the IGPs close to the architecture and</span></=
div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,=
sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px">details needed fo=
r BIER, which is the larger quantity of work.</span></div><div><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size=
:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"=
color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;line-height:16.0029983520508px">As it says, cooperation is critical - bot=
h now so those in the OSPF WG</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0=
,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height=
:16.0029983520508px">are aware and during WGLC, when we get there.</span></=
div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,=
sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px"><br></span></div>=
<div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans=
-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px">Regards,</span></div>=
<div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans=
-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:16.0029983520508px">Alia</span></div></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 1, =
2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Psenak <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ppse=
nak@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ppsenak@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Agreed.<span class=3D""><br>
<br>
On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:<br>
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">
I vote =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D since this should be an OSPF WG draft.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Acee<br>
<br></span>
From: Greg Shepherd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">gjshep@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
Reply-To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshe=
p@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a><br>
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;&gt;<span class=3D""><br>
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM<br></span>
To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org<=
/a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf=
.org</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">b=
ier@ietf.org</a><br>
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org=
</a>&gt;&gt;<span class=3D""><br>
Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-<u></u>extensions-02: Call for adopt=
ion<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following I=
D:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf=
-bier-extensions/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/<u></u>do=
c/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-<u></u>extensions/</a><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your ye=
s/no<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 vote to confirm.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Greg (chairs)<br>
<br>
<br>
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To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>
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Les,

I absolutely hear your concern and do think that coordinating between the
different
working groups is critical.  Do you see the OSPF and IS-IS extensions as
being more
than using the IGP to carry basically opaque data?

Having just chartered bier, I'm more inclined to let it run for 6 months or
so and see
if there are issues with attention and focus.   I did ask for comments on
the charter
and there was even a non-trivial discussion about the charter.

I have asked the WG chairs for IS-IS, OSPF, and BIER to coordinate and let
me know
if there are any concerns or difficulty.

Partly, I am also concerned that the speed and focus of BIER moving quickly
requires
tight focus.

Alia

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com=
>
wrote:

>  Alia =E2=80=93
>
>
>
> The fact that the IETF process may allow this =E2=80=93 and in some cases=
 may have
> done so in the past =E2=80=93 is not the same as saying this is a =E2=80=
=9Cgood idea=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
> In most cases in the past (though I agree not all) drafts which focus on
> changes to the IGP are IGP WG documents. I think this process works bette=
r
> because if the document is an IGP WG document then:
>
>
>
>    o IGP folks are highly likely to pay attention to it
>
>    o BIER folks will pay attention to it because it is critical for the
> progress of BIER
>
>
>
> On the other hand if the document is a BIER WG document it is much more
> likely that many IGP folks will pay less attention to it.
>
>
>
> Please reconsider your position on this.
>
>
>
>    Les
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Alia Atlas
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:21 AM
> *To:* Peter Psenak (ppsenak)
> *Cc:* gjshep@gmail.com; bier@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee)
> *Subject:* Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for
> adoption
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Please do go reread the charter.  It specifies
>
>
>
> "8) IGP extensions. When a BIER domain falls within a "link state
>
> IGP"" network, the information needed to set up the BIER forwarding
> tables (e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a given
> egress router) may be carried in the link state advertisements of the
> IGP. The link state advertisments may also carry other information
> related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topologies,
> in which case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies are
> to be used for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the IGP
> will be specified by the WG as Experimental, in cooperation with the
> ISIS and OSPF WGs."
>
>
>
> to keep the minor extension to the IGPs close to the architecture and
>
> details needed for BIER, which is the larger quantity of work.
>
>
>
> As it says, cooperation is critical - both now so those in the OSPF WG
>
> are aware and during WGLC, when we get there.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Alia
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed.
>
> On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
>
> I vote =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D since this should be an OSPF WG draft.
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
> From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>" <gjshep@gmail.com
> <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM
> To: "bier@ietf.org <mailto:bier@ietf.org>" <bier@ietf.org
> <mailto:bier@ietf.org>>
> Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption
>
>     This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:
>
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/
>
>     At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated
>     support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your yes/no
>     vote to confirm.
>
>     Thanks,
>     Greg (chairs)
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Les,<div><br></div><div>I absolutely hear your concern and=
 do think that coordinating between the different</div><div>working groups =
is critical.=C2=A0 Do you see the OSPF and IS-IS extensions as being more</=
div><div>than using the IGP to carry basically opaque data?</div><div><br><=
/div><div>Having just chartered bier, I&#39;m more inclined to let it run f=
or 6 months or so and see</div><div>if there are issues with attention and =
focus. =C2=A0 I did ask for comments on the charter</div><div>and there was=
 even a non-trivial discussion about the charter.</div><div><br></div><div>=
I have asked the WG chairs for IS-IS, OSPF, and BIER to coordinate and let =
me know</div><div>if there are any concerns or difficulty.</div><div><br></=
div><div>Partly, I am also concerned that the speed and focus of BIER movin=
g quickly requires</div><div>tight focus.</div><div><br></div><div>Alia</di=
v></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, A=
pr 1, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ginsberg@cisco.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Alia =E2=80=93<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">The fact that the IETF pr=
ocess may allow this =E2=80=93 and in some cases may have done so in the pa=
st =E2=80=93 is not the same as saying this is a =E2=80=9Cgood idea=E2=80=
=9D.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">In most cases in the past=
 (though I agree not all) drafts which focus on changes to the IGP are IGP =
WG documents. I think this process works better because
 if the document is an IGP WG document then:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 o IGP folks =
are highly likely to pay attention to it<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 o BIER folks=
 will pay attention to it because it is critical for the progress of BIER<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">On the other hand if the =
document is a BIER WG document it is much more likely that many IGP folks w=
ill pay less attention to it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Please reconsider your po=
sition on this.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Les<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> BIER [ma=
ilto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alia Atlas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Psenak (ppsenak)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gma=
il.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.or=
g</a>; Acee Lindem (acee)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for a=
doption<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please do go reread the charter.=C2=A0 It specifies<=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&quot;<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">8) IGP extensions. When=
 a BIER domain falls within a &quot;link state=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">IGP&quot;&quot; network, the =
information needed to set up the BIER forwarding=C2=A0<br>
tables (e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a given=C2=A0<br=
>
egress router) may be carried in the link state advertisements of the=C2=A0=
<br>
IGP. The link state advertisments may also carry other information=C2=A0<br=
>
related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topologies,=C2=A0=
<br>
in which case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies are=C2=A0<b=
r>
to be used for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the IGP=C2=A0<=
br>
will be specified by the WG as Experimental, in cooperation with the=C2=A0<=
br>
ISIS and OSPF WGs.&quot;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">to keep the minor extension t=
o the IGPs close to the architecture and</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">details needed for BIER, whic=
h is the larger quantity of work.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">As it says, cooperation is cr=
itical - both now so those in the OSPF WG</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">are aware and during WGLC, wh=
en we get there.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Alia</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Psenak &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ppsenak@cisco.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Agreed.<br>
<br>
On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">I vote =E2=80=9CNo=E2=
=80=9D since this should be an OSPF WG draft.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Acee<br>
<br>
From: Greg Shepherd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">gjshep@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
Reply-To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshe=
p@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a><br>
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM<br>
To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org<=
/a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf=
.org</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">b=
ier@ietf.org</a><br>
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org=
</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following I=
D:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf=
-bier-extensions/" target=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/</a><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your ye=
s/no<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 vote to confirm.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Greg (chairs)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
BIER mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:BIER@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">BIER@ietf.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div></div></div>
</div>
</div>

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Subject: Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption
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I think we all agree that any OSPF extensions will need to be reviewed 
by the OSPF group, andy IS-IS extensions will need to be reviewed by the 
IS-IS group, and any BIER proposals will need to be reviewed by the BIER 
group.

So this is not a question of "it always belongs in place X", but rather 
a matter of deciding, on the basis of applicaiblity, which group is the 
better home for the different aspects of the work.

If the hard part of the proposal is figuring out what the right way to 
extend OSPF is, then I would lean towards doing the primary work in 
OSPF.  If the hard part of the work is determining what information BEIR 
needs to circulate, and how that information is best represented, I 
would lean towards doing the work in BIER.

As far as I can tell, the hard part here is on the BIER side. 
Determining what information BIER needs, how to represent it, how to get 
the decision algorithms right for using the information well, etc. 
There are some OSPF issues (just as there are some IS-IS issues on that 
side.)

So Acee, if you think the OSPF WG needs to own (rather than having 
reivew with very strong input) the work, can you please describe what 
makes this hard, given the very large number of extensions we hav enow 
learned to do with OSPF?

Yours,
Joel

On 4/1/15 2:43 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote:
> Alia –
>
> The fact that the IETF process may allow this – and in some cases may
> have done so in the past – is not the same as saying this is a “good idea”.
>
> In most cases in the past (though I agree not all) drafts which focus on
> changes to the IGP are IGP WG documents. I think this process works
> better because if the document is an IGP WG document then:
>
>     o IGP folks are highly likely to pay attention to it
>
>     o BIER folks will pay attention to it because it is critical for the
> progress of BIER
>
> On the other hand if the document is a BIER WG document it is much more
> likely that many IGP folks will pay less attention to it.
>
> Please reconsider your position on this.
>
>     Les
>
> *From:*BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Alia Atlas
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:21 AM
> *To:* Peter Psenak (ppsenak)
> *Cc:* gjshep@gmail.com; bier@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee)
> *Subject:* Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for
> adoption
>
> Hi,
>
> Please do go reread the charter.  It specifies
>
> "8) IGP extensions. When a BIER domain falls within a "link state
>
> IGP"" network, the information needed to set up the BIER forwarding
> tables (e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a given
> egress router) may be carried in the link state advertisements of the
> IGP. The link state advertisments may also carry other information
> related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topologies,
> in which case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies are
> to be used for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the IGP
> will be specified by the WG as Experimental, in cooperation with the
> ISIS and OSPF WGs."
>
> to keep the minor extension to the IGPs close to the architecture and
>
> details needed for BIER, which is the larger quantity of work.
>
> As it says, cooperation is critical - both now so those in the OSPF WG
>
> are aware and during WGLC, when we get there.
>
> Regards,
>
> Alia
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com
> <mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com>> wrote:
>
> Agreed.
>
> On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
>
> I vote “No” since this should be an OSPF WG draft.
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
> From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>
> <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>>
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> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM
> To: "bier@ietf.org <mailto:bier@ietf.org> <mailto:bier@ietf.org
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> Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption
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>      This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/
>
>      At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated
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>      vote to confirm.
>
>      Thanks,
>      Greg (chairs)
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.co=
m
> wrote:

>  Alia =E2=80=93
>
>
>
> My concern is that this approach =E2=80=9Cdisenfranchises=E2=80=9D those =
people who mainly
> pay attention to the IGP and really don=E2=80=99t pay attention to other =
WGs. These
> people would not even be aware of BIER IGP extensions were it not for the
> document being in the IGP WG.
>

But the IGP group knows little of the BIER arch and reqs. This discussion
took place during the charter work and it seemed we had consensus on the
bulk of the work being driven by BIER but the final approval to take place
in the IGP WGs as appropriate.


>  Do you think it is not possible that someone who knows very little about
> multicast/BIER but knows a lot about an IGP might spot something that wou=
ld
> improve the IGP drafts?
>

Absolutely, and we fully expect to hear from them along the way, as well as
getting their final say before it leaves any WG.


> We should be encouraging involvement =E2=80=93 not discouraging it.
>

I don't see how anything has been discouraging, but this may be subjective.


> If your concern is the speed at which BIER would like to move, I would
> point out that the authors of both IGP BIER drafts are active IGP WG
> members =E2=80=93 they will certainly move forward aggressively in the IG=
P WGs and
> have the experience to do that.
>

This also seems like an argument in support of the IGP-active co-authors to
provide valuable contribution to the relevant BIER work. We have the right
people on the task, as you point out, so I don't see what's missing here
other than ownership.


> This is not the case (as in the TE example you provided to me) that the
> authors of the IGP drafts are not themselves also IGP experts.
>

Not BIER, so not relevant. :)


> As I said in the WG meeting, I trust that wherever the drafts proceed we
> will get a good review =E2=80=93 but I think we would get better IGP revi=
ew if the
> documents were in the IGP WGs.
>

Review is a later step. The BIER related work should take place in BIER. We
fully plan to keep the IGP groups informed - as is clear from this thread.
As has been said throughout the charter process, in the room, and
repeatedly on the list, NONE of the work from BIER which requires
coordination with other WGs will proceed to the editor's queue without full
review and WGLC in ALL affected groups. But with the BIER drafts IN the
BIER WG a BIER Document Shepherd (not necessarily me) will be responsible
for making sure all of the above takes place as per the BIER progress
schedule, rather than having to coordinate with multiple WG document
shepherds and their timelines.

Thanks,
Greg


>    Les
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Alia Atlas [mailto:akatlas@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:54 AM
> *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
> *Cc:* Peter Psenak (ppsenak); gjshep@gmail.com; bier@ietf.org; Acee
> Lindem (acee)
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for
> adoption
>
>
>
> Les,
>
>
>
> I absolutely hear your concern and do think that coordinating between the
> different
>
> working groups is critical.  Do you see the OSPF and IS-IS extensions as
> being more
>
> than using the IGP to carry basically opaque data?
>
>
>
> Having just chartered bier, I'm more inclined to let it run for 6 months
> or so and see
>
> if there are issues with attention and focus.   I did ask for comments on
> the charter
>
> and there was even a non-trivial discussion about the charter.
>
>
>
> I have asked the WG chairs for IS-IS, OSPF, and BIER to coordinate and le=
t
> me know
>
> if there are any concerns or difficulty.
>
>
>
> Partly, I am also concerned that the speed and focus of BIER moving
> quickly requires
>
> tight focus.
>
>
>
> Alia
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <
> ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Alia =E2=80=93
>
>
>
> The fact that the IETF process may allow this =E2=80=93 and in some cases=
 may have
> done so in the past =E2=80=93 is not the same as saying this is a =E2=80=
=9Cgood idea=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
> In most cases in the past (though I agree not all) drafts which focus on
> changes to the IGP are IGP WG documents. I think this process works bette=
r
> because if the document is an IGP WG document then:
>
>
>
>    o IGP folks are highly likely to pay attention to it
>
>    o BIER folks will pay attention to it because it is critical for the
> progress of BIER
>
>
>
> On the other hand if the document is a BIER WG document it is much more
> likely that many IGP folks will pay less attention to it.
>
>
>
> Please reconsider your position on this.
>
>
>
>    Les
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Alia Atlas
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:21 AM
> *To:* Peter Psenak (ppsenak)
> *Cc:* gjshep@gmail.com; bier@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee)
> *Subject:* Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for
> adoption
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Please do go reread the charter.  It specifies
>
>
>
> "8) IGP extensions. When a BIER domain falls within a "link state
>
> IGP"" network, the information needed to set up the BIER forwarding
> tables (e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a given
> egress router) may be carried in the link state advertisements of the
> IGP. The link state advertisments may also carry other information
> related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topologies,
> in which case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies are
> to be used for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the IGP
> will be specified by the WG as Experimental, in cooperation with the
> ISIS and OSPF WGs."
>
>
>
> to keep the minor extension to the IGPs close to the architecture and
>
> details needed for BIER, which is the larger quantity of work.
>
>
>
> As it says, cooperation is critical - both now so those in the OSPF WG
>
> are aware and during WGLC, when we get there.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Alia
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed.
>
> On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
>
> I vote =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D since this should be an OSPF WG draft.
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
> From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>" <gjshep@gmail.com
> <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM
> To: "bier@ietf.org <mailto:bier@ietf.org>" <bier@ietf.org
> <mailto:bier@ietf.org>>
> Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption
>
>     This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:
>
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/
>
>     At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated
>     support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your yes/no
>     vote to confirm.
>
>     Thanks,
>     Greg (chairs)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BIER mailing list
> BIER@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> BIER@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier
>
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>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <span dir=3D"l=
tr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ginsberg@ci=
sco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Alia =E2=80=93<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">My concern is that this a=
pproach =E2=80=9Cdisenfranchises=E2=80=9D those people who mainly pay atten=
tion to the IGP and really don=E2=80=99t pay attention to other WGs. These =
people
 would not even be aware of BIER IGP extensions were it not for the documen=
t being in the IGP WG.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>But the IGP group knows little of the BIER arch and reqs. This discussio=
n took place during the charter work and it seemed we had consensus on the =
bulk of the work being driven by BIER but the final approval to take place =
in the IGP WGs as appropriate.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Do you think it is not po=
ssible that someone who knows very little about multicast/BIER but knows a =
lot about an IGP might spot something that would improve
 the IGP drafts?</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Abs=
olutely, and we fully expect to hear from them along the way, as well as ge=
tting their final say before it leaves any WG.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">We should be encour=
aging involvement =E2=80=93 not discouraging it.</span></p></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t see how anything has been discoura=
ging, but this may be subjective.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">If your concern is the sp=
eed at which BIER would like to move, I would point out that the authors of=
 both IGP BIER drafts are active IGP WG members =E2=80=93 they will
 certainly move forward aggressively in the IGP WGs and have the experience=
 to do that.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This al=
so seems like an argument in support of the IGP-active co-authors to provid=
e valuable contribution to the relevant BIER work. We have the right people=
 on the task, as you point out, so I don&#39;t see what&#39;s missing here =
other than ownership.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">This is not the case (as in the TE example y=
ou provided to me) that the authors of the IGP drafts are not themselves al=
so IGP experts.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not =
BIER, so not relevant. :)</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">As I said in the WG meeti=
ng, I trust that wherever the drafts proceed we will get a good review =E2=
=80=93 but I think we would get better IGP review if the documents
 were in the IGP WGs.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><di=
v>Review is a later step. The BIER related work should take place in BIER. =
We fully plan to keep the IGP groups informed - as is clear from this threa=
d. As has been said throughout the charter process, in the room, and repeat=
edly on the list, NONE of the work from BIER which requires coordination wi=
th other WGs will proceed to the editor&#39;s queue without full review and=
 WGLC in ALL affected groups. But with the BIER drafts IN the BIER WG a BIE=
R Document Shepherd (not necessarily me) will be responsible for making sur=
e all of the above takes place as per the BIER progress schedule, rather th=
an having to coordinate with multiple WG document shepherds and their timel=
ines.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Greg</div><div>=C2=A0</div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"=
purple"><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Les<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Alia Atl=
as [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:akatlas@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">akatlas@g=
mail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Peter Psenak (ppsenak); <a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org</a>; Acee Lindem (acee)</span></p><div><div class=
=3D"h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for a=
doption<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Les,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I absolutely hear your concern and do think that coo=
rdinating between the different<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">working groups is critical.=C2=A0 Do you see the OSP=
F and IS-IS extensions as being more<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">than using the IGP to carry basically opaque data?<u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Having just chartered bier, I&#39;m more inclined to=
 let it run for 6 months or so and see<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">if there are issues with attention and focus. =C2=A0=
 I did ask for comments on the charter<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">and there was even a non-trivial discussion about th=
e charter.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have asked the WG chairs for IS-IS, OSPF, and BIER=
 to coordinate and let me know<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">if there are any concerns or difficulty.<u></u><u></=
u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Partly, I am also concerned that the speed and focus=
 of BIER moving quickly requires<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">tight focus.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alia<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsbe=
rg) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ginsberg@ci=
sco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Alia =E2=80=93</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">The fact that the IETF pr=
ocess may allow this =E2=80=93 and in some cases may have done so in the pa=
st =E2=80=93
 is not the same as saying this is a =E2=80=9Cgood idea=E2=80=9D.</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">In most cases in the past=
 (though I agree not all) drafts which focus on changes to the IGP are IGP
 WG documents. I think this process works better because if the document is=
 an IGP WG document then:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 o IGP folks =
are highly likely to pay attention to it</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 o BIER folks=
 will pay attention to it because it is critical for the progress of BIER</=
span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">On the other hand if the =
document is a BIER WG document it is much more likely that many IGP folks
 will pay less attention to it.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Please reconsider your po=
sition on this.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Les</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> BIER [ma=
ilto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alia Atlas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Psenak (ppsenak)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gma=
il.com</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org</a>; Acee =
Lindem (acee)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for a=
doption</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please do go reread the charter.=C2=A0 It specifies<=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&quot;<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">8) IGP extensions. When=
 a BIER domain falls within a &quot;link state=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">IGP&quot;&quot; network, the =
information needed to set up the BIER forwarding=C2=A0<br>
tables (e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a given=C2=A0<br=
>
egress router) may be carried in the link state advertisements of the=C2=A0=
<br>
IGP. The link state advertisments may also carry other information=C2=A0<br=
>
related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topologies,=C2=A0=
<br>
in which case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies are=C2=A0<b=
r>
to be used for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the IGP=C2=A0<=
br>
will be specified by the WG as Experimental, in cooperation with the=C2=A0<=
br>
ISIS and OSPF WGs.&quot;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">to keep the minor extension t=
o the IGPs close to the architecture and</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">details needed for BIER, whic=
h is the larger quantity of work.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">As it says, cooperation is cr=
itical - both now so those in the OSPF WG</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">are aware and during WGLC, wh=
en we get there.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Alia</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Psenak &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ppsenak@cisco.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Agreed.<br>
<br>
On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">I vote =E2=80=9CNo=E2=
=80=9D since this should be an OSPF WG draft.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Acee<br>
<br>
From: Greg Shepherd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">gjshep@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
Reply-To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshe=
p@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a><br>
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM<br>
To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org<=
/a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf=
.org</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">b=
ier@ietf.org</a><br>
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org=
</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following I=
D:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf=
-bier-extensions/" target=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/</a><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your ye=
s/no<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 vote to confirm.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Greg (chairs)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
BIER mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:BIER@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">BIER@ietf.org</a><br>
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
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I agree with Alia's approach here. It makes sense for the Bier WG to 
clearly state "this
is what we want our OSPF support to look like" first, and then have the 
OSPF WG examine
the result. Any iterations required are more likely to relate to Bier 
considerations than
to OSPF issues. If 2 or 3 rounds are required here, only the last one 
should go outside Bier.


On 4/1/15 11:54 AM, Alia Atlas wrote:
> Les,
>
> I absolutely hear your concern and do think that coordinating between 
> the different
> working groups is critical.  Do you see the OSPF and IS-IS extensions 
> as being more
> than using the IGP to carry basically opaque data?
>
> Having just chartered bier, I'm more inclined to let it run for 6 
> months or so and see
> if there are issues with attention and focus.   I did ask for comments 
> on the charter
> and there was even a non-trivial discussion about the charter.
>
> I have asked the WG chairs for IS-IS, OSPF, and BIER to coordinate and 
> let me know
> if there are any concerns or difficulty.
>
> Partly, I am also concerned that the speed and focus of BIER moving 
> quickly requires
> tight focus.
>
> Alia
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) 
> <ginsberg@cisco.com <mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com>> wrote:
>
>     Alia –
>
>     The fact that the IETF process may allow this – and in some cases
>     may have done so in the past – is not the same as saying this is a
>     “good idea”.
>
>     In most cases in the past (though I agree not all) drafts which
>     focus on changes to the IGP are IGP WG documents. I think this
>     process works better because if the document is an IGP WG document
>     then:
>
>     o IGP folks are highly likely to pay attention to it
>
>     o BIER folks will pay attention to it because it is critical for
>     the progress of BIER
>
>     On the other hand if the document is a BIER WG document it is much
>     more likely that many IGP folks will pay less attention to it.
>
>     Please reconsider your position on this.
>
>     Les
>
>     *From:*BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org
>     <mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org>] *On Behalf Of *Alia Atlas
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:21 AM
>     *To:* Peter Psenak (ppsenak)
>     *Cc:* gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>; bier@ietf.org
>     <mailto:bier@ietf.org>; Acee Lindem (acee)
>     *Subject:* Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call
>     for adoption
>
>     Hi,
>
>     Please do go reread the charter.  It specifies
>
>     "8) IGP extensions. When a BIER domain falls within a "link state
>
>     IGP"" network, the information needed to set up the BIER forwarding
>     tables (e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a given
>     egress router) may be carried in the link state advertisements of the
>     IGP. The link state advertisments may also carry other information
>     related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topologies,
>     in which case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies are
>     to be used for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the IGP
>     will be specified by the WG as Experimental, in cooperation with the
>     ISIS and OSPF WGs."
>
>     to keep the minor extension to the IGPs close to the architecture and
>
>     details needed for BIER, which is the larger quantity of work.
>
>     As it says, cooperation is critical - both now so those in the OSPF WG
>
>     are aware and during WGLC, when we get there.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Alia
>
>     On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com
>     <mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com>> wrote:
>
>     Agreed.
>
>     On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
>
>     I vote “No” since this should be an OSPF WG draft.
>     Thanks,
>     Acee
>
>     From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>
>     <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>>
>     Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>
>     <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>"
>     <gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>
>     <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>>
>     Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM
>     To: "bier@ietf.org <mailto:bier@ietf.org> <mailto:bier@ietf.org
>     <mailto:bier@ietf.org>>" <bier@ietf.org <mailto:bier@ietf.org>
>     <mailto:bier@ietf.org <mailto:bier@ietf.org>>>
>     Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for
>     adoption
>
>         This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:
>
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/
>
>         At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated
>         support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your yes/no
>         vote to confirm.
>
>         Thanks,
>         Greg (chairs)
>
>
>
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    I agree with Alia's approach here. It makes sense for the Bier WG to
    clearly state "this<br>
    is what we want our OSPF support to look like" first, and then have
    the OSPF WG examine<br>
    the result. Any iterations required are more likely to relate to
    Bier considerations than <br>
    to OSPF issues. If 2 or 3 rounds are required here, only the last
    one should go outside Bier.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/1/15 11:54 AM, Alia Atlas wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAG4d1rcvm5BiYC6YE+NbAqeO6U0-=hUWW3BqP3DdSNT+NsNn_Q@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">Les,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I absolutely hear your concern and do think that
          coordinating between the different</div>
        <div>working groups is critical.  Do you see the OSPF and IS-IS
          extensions as being more</div>
        <div>than using the IGP to carry basically opaque data?</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Having just chartered bier, I'm more inclined to let it run
          for 6 months or so and see</div>
        <div>if there are issues with attention and focus.   I did ask
          for comments on the charter</div>
        <div>and there was even a non-trivial discussion about the
          charter.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I have asked the WG chairs for IS-IS, OSPF, and BIER to
          coordinate and let me know</div>
        <div>if there are any concerns or difficulty.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Partly, I am also concerned that the speed and focus of
          BIER moving quickly requires</div>
        <div>tight focus.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Alia</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Les
          Ginsberg (ginsberg) <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com"
              target="_blank">ginsberg@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Alia
                    –</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">The
                    fact that the IETF process may allow this – and in
                    some cases may have done so in the past – is not the
                    same as saying this is a “good idea”.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">In
                    most cases in the past (though I agree not all)
                    drafts which focus on changes to the IGP are IGP WG
                    documents. I think this process works better because
                    if the document is an IGP WG document then:</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">  
                    o IGP folks are highly likely to pay attention to it</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">  
                    o BIER folks will pay attention to it because it is
                    critical for the progress of BIER</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">On
                    the other hand if the document is a BIER WG document
                    it is much more likely that many IGP folks will pay
                    less attention to it.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Please
                    reconsider your position on this.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">  
                    Les</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue
                  1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">
                  <div>
                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df
                      1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
                          BIER [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org"
                            target="_blank">bier-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alia Atlas<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:21
                          AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Peter Psenak (ppsenak)<br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:gjshep@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>; <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:bier@ietf.org" target="_blank">bier@ietf.org</a>;
                          Acee Lindem (acee)<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bier]
                          draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for
                          adoption</span></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div class="h5">
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Hi,</p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Please do go reread the
                            charter.  It specifies</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">"<span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">8)
                              IGP extensions. When a BIER domain falls
                              within a "link state </span></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">IGP""
                            network, the information needed to set up
                            the BIER forwarding <br>
                            tables (e.g., the mapping between a given
                            bit position and a given <br>
                            egress router) may be carried in the link
                            state advertisements of the <br>
                            IGP. The link state advertisments may also
                            carry other information <br>
                            related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may
                            support multiple topologies, <br>
                            in which case it may be necessary to
                            advertise which topologies are <br>
                            to be used for BIER forwarding). Any
                            necessary extensions to the IGP <br>
                            will be specified by the WG as Experimental,
                            in cooperation with the <br>
                            ISIS and OSPF WGs."</span></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">to
                              keep the minor extension to the IGPs close
                              to the architecture and</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">details
                              needed for BIER, which is the larger
                              quantity of work.</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">As
                              it says, cooperation is critical - both
                              now so those in the OSPF WG</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">are
                              aware and during WGLC, when we get there.</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Regards,</span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Alia</span></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at
                            12:30 PM, Peter Psenak &lt;<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com"
                              target="_blank">ppsenak@cisco.com</a>&gt;
                            wrote:</p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">Agreed.<br>
                            <br>
                            On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:</p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I vote “No”
                            since this should be an OSPF WG draft.<br>
                            Thanks,<br>
                            Acee<br>
                            <br>
                            From: Greg Shepherd &lt;<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:gjshep@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>
                            &lt;mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:gjshep@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
                            Reply-To: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:gjshep@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>
                            &lt;mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:gjshep@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>&gt;"
                            &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:gjshep@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a><br>
                            &lt;mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:gjshep@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
                            Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM<br>
                            To: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:bier@ietf.org"
                              target="_blank">bier@ietf.org</a>
                            &lt;mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:bier@ietf.org"
                              target="_blank">bier@ietf.org</a>&gt;"
                            &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:bier@ietf.org"
                              target="_blank">bier@ietf.org</a><br>
                            &lt;mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:bier@ietf.org"
                              target="_blank">bier@ietf.org</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
                            Subject: [Bier]
                            draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call
                            for adoption<br>
                            <br>
                                This is the official WG Call For
                            Adoption for the following ID:<br>
                            <br>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/"
                              target="_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/</a><br>
                            <br>
                                At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in
                            Dallas, the room indicated<br>
                                support for adoption. Please respond to
                            the list with your yes/no<br>
                                vote to confirm.<br>
                            <br>
                                Thanks,<br>
                                Greg (chairs)<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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Les,

Cross-announcements to the cooperating WGs are important.  It may even make
sense
to briefly discuss a draft in OSPF or IS-IS to help raise the visibility.
It is a balance.
For instance, I wouldn't have taken this approach with the segment-routing
extensions
which have had more significant impact on the OSPF and IS-IS protocols.

Let's have it run for another 6 months or so - and handle the issues as we
see them.
I will be keeping an ear and eye open looking for issues.

Alia

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com=
>
wrote:

>  Alia =E2=80=93
>
>
>
> My concern is that this approach =E2=80=9Cdisenfranchises=E2=80=9D those =
people who mainly
> pay attention to the IGP and really don=E2=80=99t pay attention to other =
WGs. These
> people would not even be aware of BIER IGP extensions were it not for the
> document being in the IGP WG.
>
> Do you think it is not possible that someone who knows very little about
> multicast/BIER but knows a lot about an IGP might spot something that wou=
ld
> improve the IGP drafts? We should be encouraging involvement =E2=80=93 no=
t
> discouraging it.
>
>
>
> If your concern is the speed at which BIER would like to move, I would
> point out that the authors of both IGP BIER drafts are active IGP WG
> members =E2=80=93 they will certainly move forward aggressively in the IG=
P WGs and
> have the experience to do that. This is not the case (as in the TE exampl=
e
> you provided to me) that the authors of the IGP drafts are not themselves
> also IGP experts.
>
>
>
> As I said in the WG meeting, I trust that wherever the drafts proceed we
> will get a good review =E2=80=93 but I think we would get better IGP revi=
ew if the
> documents were in the IGP WGs.
>
>
>
>    Les
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Alia Atlas [mailto:akatlas@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:54 AM
> *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
> *Cc:* Peter Psenak (ppsenak); gjshep@gmail.com; bier@ietf.org; Acee
> Lindem (acee)
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for
> adoption
>
>
>
> Les,
>
>
>
> I absolutely hear your concern and do think that coordinating between the
> different
>
> working groups is critical.  Do you see the OSPF and IS-IS extensions as
> being more
>
> than using the IGP to carry basically opaque data?
>
>
>
> Having just chartered bier, I'm more inclined to let it run for 6 months
> or so and see
>
> if there are issues with attention and focus.   I did ask for comments on
> the charter
>
> and there was even a non-trivial discussion about the charter.
>
>
>
> I have asked the WG chairs for IS-IS, OSPF, and BIER to coordinate and le=
t
> me know
>
> if there are any concerns or difficulty.
>
>
>
> Partly, I am also concerned that the speed and focus of BIER moving
> quickly requires
>
> tight focus.
>
>
>
> Alia
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <
> ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Alia =E2=80=93
>
>
>
> The fact that the IETF process may allow this =E2=80=93 and in some cases=
 may have
> done so in the past =E2=80=93 is not the same as saying this is a =E2=80=
=9Cgood idea=E2=80=9D.
>
>
>
> In most cases in the past (though I agree not all) drafts which focus on
> changes to the IGP are IGP WG documents. I think this process works bette=
r
> because if the document is an IGP WG document then:
>
>
>
>    o IGP folks are highly likely to pay attention to it
>
>    o BIER folks will pay attention to it because it is critical for the
> progress of BIER
>
>
>
> On the other hand if the document is a BIER WG document it is much more
> likely that many IGP folks will pay less attention to it.
>
>
>
> Please reconsider your position on this.
>
>
>
>    Les
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Alia Atlas
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:21 AM
> *To:* Peter Psenak (ppsenak)
> *Cc:* gjshep@gmail.com; bier@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee)
> *Subject:* Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for
> adoption
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Please do go reread the charter.  It specifies
>
>
>
> "8) IGP extensions. When a BIER domain falls within a "link state
>
> IGP"" network, the information needed to set up the BIER forwarding
> tables (e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a given
> egress router) may be carried in the link state advertisements of the
> IGP. The link state advertisments may also carry other information
> related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topologies,
> in which case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies are
> to be used for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the IGP
> will be specified by the WG as Experimental, in cooperation with the
> ISIS and OSPF WGs."
>
>
>
> to keep the minor extension to the IGPs close to the architecture and
>
> details needed for BIER, which is the larger quantity of work.
>
>
>
> As it says, cooperation is critical - both now so those in the OSPF WG
>
> are aware and during WGLC, when we get there.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Alia
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Agreed.
>
> On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
>
> I vote =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D since this should be an OSPF WG draft.
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
> From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>" <gjshep@gmail.com
> <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM
> To: "bier@ietf.org <mailto:bier@ietf.org>" <bier@ietf.org
> <mailto:bier@ietf.org>>
> Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption
>
>     This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:
>
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/
>
>     At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated
>     support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your yes/no
>     vote to confirm.
>
>     Thanks,
>     Greg (chairs)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BIER mailing list
> BIER@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BIER mailing list
> BIER@ietf.org
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>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Les,<div><br></div><div>Cross-announcements to the coopera=
ting WGs are important.=C2=A0 It may even make sense</div><div>to briefly d=
iscuss a draft in OSPF or IS-IS to help raise the visibility.=C2=A0 It is a=
 balance.</div><div>For instance, I wouldn&#39;t have taken this approach w=
ith the segment-routing extensions</div><div>which have had more significan=
t impact on the OSPF and IS-IS protocols.</div><div><br></div><div>Let&#39;=
s have it run for another 6 months or so - and handle the issues as we see =
them.</div><div>I will be keeping an ear and eye open looking for issues.</=
div><div><br></div><div>Alia</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsbe=
rg) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com" target=3D"_=
blank">ginsberg@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Alia =E2=80=93<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">My concern is that this a=
pproach =E2=80=9Cdisenfranchises=E2=80=9D those people who mainly pay atten=
tion to the IGP and really don=E2=80=99t pay attention to other WGs. These =
people
 would not even be aware of BIER IGP extensions were it not for the documen=
t being in the IGP WG.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Do you think it is not po=
ssible that someone who knows very little about multicast/BIER but knows a =
lot about an IGP might spot something that would improve
 the IGP drafts? We should be encouraging involvement =E2=80=93 not discour=
aging it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">If your concern is the sp=
eed at which BIER would like to move, I would point out that the authors of=
 both IGP BIER drafts are active IGP WG members =E2=80=93 they will
 certainly move forward aggressively in the IGP WGs and have the experience=
 to do that. This is not the case (as in the TE example you provided to me)=
 that the authors of the IGP drafts are not themselves also IGP experts.<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">As I said in the WG meeti=
ng, I trust that wherever the drafts proceed we will get a good review =E2=
=80=93 but I think we would get better IGP review if the documents
 were in the IGP WGs.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Les<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Alia Atl=
as [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:akatlas@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">akatlas@g=
mail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Peter Psenak (ppsenak); <a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org</a>; Acee Lindem (acee)</span></p><div><div class=
=3D"h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for a=
doption<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Les,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I absolutely hear your concern and do think that coo=
rdinating between the different<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">working groups is critical.=C2=A0 Do you see the OSP=
F and IS-IS extensions as being more<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">than using the IGP to carry basically opaque data?<u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Having just chartered bier, I&#39;m more inclined to=
 let it run for 6 months or so and see<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">if there are issues with attention and focus. =C2=A0=
 I did ask for comments on the charter<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">and there was even a non-trivial discussion about th=
e charter.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have asked the WG chairs for IS-IS, OSPF, and BIER=
 to coordinate and let me know<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">if there are any concerns or difficulty.<u></u><u></=
u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Partly, I am also concerned that the speed and focus=
 of BIER moving quickly requires<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">tight focus.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alia<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsbe=
rg) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ginsberg@ci=
sco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Alia =E2=80=93</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">The fact that the IETF pr=
ocess may allow this =E2=80=93 and in some cases may have done so in the pa=
st =E2=80=93
 is not the same as saying this is a =E2=80=9Cgood idea=E2=80=9D.</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">In most cases in the past=
 (though I agree not all) drafts which focus on changes to the IGP are IGP
 WG documents. I think this process works better because if the document is=
 an IGP WG document then:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 o IGP folks =
are highly likely to pay attention to it</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 o BIER folks=
 will pay attention to it because it is critical for the progress of BIER</=
span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">On the other hand if the =
document is a BIER WG document it is much more likely that many IGP folks
 will pay less attention to it.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Please reconsider your po=
sition on this.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Les</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> BIER [ma=
ilto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alia Atlas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Psenak (ppsenak)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gma=
il.com</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org</a>; Acee =
Lindem (acee)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for a=
doption</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please do go reread the charter.=C2=A0 It specifies<=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&quot;<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">8) IGP extensions. When=
 a BIER domain falls within a &quot;link state=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">IGP&quot;&quot; network, the =
information needed to set up the BIER forwarding=C2=A0<br>
tables (e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a given=C2=A0<br=
>
egress router) may be carried in the link state advertisements of the=C2=A0=
<br>
IGP. The link state advertisments may also carry other information=C2=A0<br=
>
related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topologies,=C2=A0=
<br>
in which case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies are=C2=A0<b=
r>
to be used for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the IGP=C2=A0<=
br>
will be specified by the WG as Experimental, in cooperation with the=C2=A0<=
br>
ISIS and OSPF WGs.&quot;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">to keep the minor extension t=
o the IGPs close to the architecture and</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">details needed for BIER, whic=
h is the larger quantity of work.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">As it says, cooperation is cr=
itical - both now so those in the OSPF WG</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">are aware and during WGLC, wh=
en we get there.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Alia</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Psenak &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ppsenak@cisco.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Agreed.<br>
<br>
On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">I vote =E2=80=9CNo=E2=
=80=9D since this should be an OSPF WG draft.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Acee<br>
<br>
From: Greg Shepherd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">gjshep@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
Reply-To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshe=
p@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a><br>
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM<br>
To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org<=
/a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf=
.org</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">b=
ier@ietf.org</a><br>
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org=
</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following I=
D:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf=
-bier-extensions/" target=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/</a><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your ye=
s/no<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 vote to confirm.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Greg (chairs)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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aren't we making it a tad hard here:

a) the both drafts are far more BIER than IGP domain driven. I doubt many
in IGP groups even read BIER architecture as it evolved and BIER will live
and die by the quality of what the IGPs carry for it.
b) the IGPs MUST be involved tightly since if we don't carry it correctly
in IGPs lots of heartbreaks will ensue

Practically speaking:
a) yes, adoption emails should have crossed the WG boundaries, that is
easily remedied
b) I for myself make it an issue to present updates on ISIS religiously in
both groups & I suggest same for OSPF.  The authors are a tight little knit
group, most of them deep IGP backgrounds so we're relatively safe I'd say
_but_ e.g. in this presentation in ISIS WG I heard an extremely good
comments verbalized by Chris B. about some of the ideas I presented that
made me change my mind (draft update will follow & Les will be relieved ;-)

--- tony

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:

> Les,
>
> Cross-announcements to the cooperating WGs are important.  It may even
> make sense
> to briefly discuss a draft in OSPF or IS-IS to help raise the visibility.
> It is a balance.
> For instance, I wouldn't have taken this approach with the segment-routin=
g
> extensions
> which have had more significant impact on the OSPF and IS-IS protocols.
>
> Let's have it run for another 6 months or so - and handle the issues as w=
e
> see them.
> I will be keeping an ear and eye open looking for issues.
>
> Alia
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <
> ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>>  Alia =E2=80=93
>>
>>
>>
>> My concern is that this approach =E2=80=9Cdisenfranchises=E2=80=9D those=
 people who
>> mainly pay attention to the IGP and really don=E2=80=99t pay attention t=
o other
>> WGs. These people would not even be aware of BIER IGP extensions were it
>> not for the document being in the IGP WG.
>>
>> Do you think it is not possible that someone who knows very little about
>> multicast/BIER but knows a lot about an IGP might spot something that wo=
uld
>> improve the IGP drafts? We should be encouraging involvement =E2=80=93 n=
ot
>> discouraging it.
>>
>>
>>
>> If your concern is the speed at which BIER would like to move, I would
>> point out that the authors of both IGP BIER drafts are active IGP WG
>> members =E2=80=93 they will certainly move forward aggressively in the I=
GP WGs and
>> have the experience to do that. This is not the case (as in the TE examp=
le
>> you provided to me) that the authors of the IGP drafts are not themselve=
s
>> also IGP experts.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I said in the WG meeting, I trust that wherever the drafts proceed we
>> will get a good review =E2=80=93 but I think we would get better IGP rev=
iew if the
>> documents were in the IGP WGs.
>>
>>
>>
>>    Les
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Alia Atlas [mailto:akatlas@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:54 AM
>> *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
>> *Cc:* Peter Psenak (ppsenak); gjshep@gmail.com; bier@ietf.org; Acee
>> Lindem (acee)
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for
>> adoption
>>
>>
>>
>> Les,
>>
>>
>>
>> I absolutely hear your concern and do think that coordinating between th=
e
>> different
>>
>> working groups is critical.  Do you see the OSPF and IS-IS extensions as
>> being more
>>
>> than using the IGP to carry basically opaque data?
>>
>>
>>
>> Having just chartered bier, I'm more inclined to let it run for 6 months
>> or so and see
>>
>> if there are issues with attention and focus.   I did ask for comments o=
n
>> the charter
>>
>> and there was even a non-trivial discussion about the charter.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have asked the WG chairs for IS-IS, OSPF, and BIER to coordinate and
>> let me know
>>
>> if there are any concerns or difficulty.
>>
>>
>>
>> Partly, I am also concerned that the speed and focus of BIER moving
>> quickly requires
>>
>> tight focus.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alia
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <
>> ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>> Alia =E2=80=93
>>
>>
>>
>> The fact that the IETF process may allow this =E2=80=93 and in some case=
s may
>> have done so in the past =E2=80=93 is not the same as saying this is a =
=E2=80=9Cgood idea=E2=80=9D.
>>
>>
>>
>> In most cases in the past (though I agree not all) drafts which focus on
>> changes to the IGP are IGP WG documents. I think this process works bett=
er
>> because if the document is an IGP WG document then:
>>
>>
>>
>>    o IGP folks are highly likely to pay attention to it
>>
>>    o BIER folks will pay attention to it because it is critical for the
>> progress of BIER
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand if the document is a BIER WG document it is much more
>> likely that many IGP folks will pay less attention to it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please reconsider your position on this.
>>
>>
>>
>>    Les
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Alia Atlas
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:21 AM
>> *To:* Peter Psenak (ppsenak)
>> *Cc:* gjshep@gmail.com; bier@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee)
>> *Subject:* Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for
>> adoption
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please do go reread the charter.  It specifies
>>
>>
>>
>> "8) IGP extensions. When a BIER domain falls within a "link state
>>
>> IGP"" network, the information needed to set up the BIER forwarding
>> tables (e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a given
>> egress router) may be carried in the link state advertisements of the
>> IGP. The link state advertisments may also carry other information
>> related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topologies,
>> in which case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies are
>> to be used for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the IGP
>> will be specified by the WG as Experimental, in cooperation with the
>> ISIS and OSPF WGs."
>>
>>
>>
>> to keep the minor extension to the IGPs close to the architecture and
>>
>> details needed for BIER, which is the larger quantity of work.
>>
>>
>>
>> As it says, cooperation is critical - both now so those in the OSPF WG
>>
>> are aware and during WGLC, when we get there.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alia
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
>>
>> I vote =E2=80=9CNo=E2=80=9D since this should be an OSPF WG draft.
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>>
>> From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
>> Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>" <gjshep@gmail.com
>> <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>
>> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM
>> To: "bier@ietf.org <mailto:bier@ietf.org>" <bier@ietf.org
>> <mailto:bier@ietf.org>>
>> Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption
>>
>>     This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:
>>
>>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/
>>
>>     At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated
>>     support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your yes/no
>>     vote to confirm.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Greg (chairs)
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BIER mailing list
>> BIER@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">aren&#39;t we making it a tad hard here:<div><br></div><di=
v>a) the both drafts are far more BIER than IGP domain driven. I doubt many=
 in IGP groups even read BIER architecture as it evolved and BIER will live=
 and die by the quality of what the IGPs carry for it.</div><div>b) the IGP=
s MUST be involved tightly since if we don&#39;t carry it correctly in IGPs=
 lots of heartbreaks will ensue=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Practically =
speaking:</div><div>a) yes, adoption emails should have crossed the WG boun=
daries, that is easily remedied</div><div>b) I for myself make it an issue =
to present updates on ISIS religiously in both groups &amp; I suggest same =
for OSPF.=C2=A0 The authors are a tight little knit group, most of them dee=
p IGP backgrounds so we&#39;re relatively safe I&#39;d say _but_ e.g. in th=
is presentation in ISIS WG I heard an extremely good comments verbalized by=
 Chris B. about some of the ideas I presented that made me change my mind (=
draft update will follow &amp; Les will be relieved ;-)=C2=A0</div><div><br=
></div><div>--- tony=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Alia Atlas <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:akatlas@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">akatlas=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Les,<div><br></div><div>Cross-announcements to the cooperating WGs=
 are important.=C2=A0 It may even make sense</div><div>to briefly discuss a=
 draft in OSPF or IS-IS to help raise the visibility.=C2=A0 It is a balance=
.</div><div>For instance, I wouldn&#39;t have taken this approach with the =
segment-routing extensions</div><div>which have had more significant impact=
 on the OSPF and IS-IS protocols.</div><div><br></div><div>Let&#39;s have i=
t run for another 6 months or so - and handle the issues as we see them.</d=
iv><div>I will be keeping an ear and eye open looking for issues.</div><spa=
n class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div><br></div><div>Alia</div></=
font></span></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Le=
s Ginsberg (ginsberg) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ginsberg@cisc=
o.com" target=3D"_blank">ginsberg@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex">





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libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">My concern is that this a=
pproach =E2=80=9Cdisenfranchises=E2=80=9D those people who mainly pay atten=
tion to the IGP and really don=E2=80=99t pay attention to other WGs. These =
people
 would not even be aware of BIER IGP extensions were it not for the documen=
t being in the IGP WG.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Do you think it is not po=
ssible that someone who knows very little about multicast/BIER but knows a =
lot about an IGP might spot something that would improve
 the IGP drafts? We should be encouraging involvement =E2=80=93 not discour=
aging it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">If your concern is the sp=
eed at which BIER would like to move, I would point out that the authors of=
 both IGP BIER drafts are active IGP WG members =E2=80=93 they will
 certainly move forward aggressively in the IGP WGs and have the experience=
 to do that. This is not the case (as in the TE example you provided to me)=
 that the authors of the IGP drafts are not themselves also IGP experts.<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">As I said in the WG meeti=
ng, I trust that wherever the drafts proceed we will get a good review =E2=
=80=93 but I think we would get better IGP review if the documents
 were in the IGP WGs.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Les<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Alia Atl=
as [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:akatlas@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">akatlas@g=
mail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Peter Psenak (ppsenak); <a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org</a>; Acee Lindem (acee)</span></p><div><div><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for a=
doption<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
</div>
</div><div><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Les,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I absolutely hear your concern and do think that coo=
rdinating between the different<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">working groups is critical.=C2=A0 Do you see the OSP=
F and IS-IS extensions as being more<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">than using the IGP to carry basically opaque data?<u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Having just chartered bier, I&#39;m more inclined to=
 let it run for 6 months or so and see<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">if there are issues with attention and focus. =C2=A0=
 I did ask for comments on the charter<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">and there was even a non-trivial discussion about th=
e charter.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have asked the WG chairs for IS-IS, OSPF, and BIER=
 to coordinate and let me know<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">if there are any concerns or difficulty.<u></u><u></=
u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Partly, I am also concerned that the speed and focus=
 of BIER moving quickly requires<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">tight focus.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alia<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsbe=
rg) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ginsberg@ci=
sco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Alia =E2=80=93</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">The fact that the IETF pr=
ocess may allow this =E2=80=93 and in some cases may have done so in the pa=
st =E2=80=93
 is not the same as saying this is a =E2=80=9Cgood idea=E2=80=9D.</span><u>=
</u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">In most cases in the past=
 (though I agree not all) drafts which focus on changes to the IGP are IGP
 WG documents. I think this process works better because if the document is=
 an IGP WG document then:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 o IGP folks =
are highly likely to pay attention to it</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 o BIER folks=
 will pay attention to it because it is critical for the progress of BIER</=
span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">On the other hand if the =
document is a BIER WG document it is much more likely that many IGP folks
 will pay less attention to it.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Please reconsider your po=
sition on this.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Les</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></=
u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> BIER [ma=
ilto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alia Atlas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Psenak (ppsenak)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gma=
il.com</a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org</a>; Acee =
Lindem (acee)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for a=
doption</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please do go reread the charter.=C2=A0 It specifies<=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&quot;<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">8) IGP extensions. When=
 a BIER domain falls within a &quot;link state=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></=
p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">IGP&quot;&quot; network, the =
information needed to set up the BIER forwarding=C2=A0<br>
tables (e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a given=C2=A0<br=
>
egress router) may be carried in the link state advertisements of the=C2=A0=
<br>
IGP. The link state advertisments may also carry other information=C2=A0<br=
>
related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topologies,=C2=A0=
<br>
in which case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies are=C2=A0<b=
r>
to be used for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the IGP=C2=A0<=
br>
will be specified by the WG as Experimental, in cooperation with the=C2=A0<=
br>
ISIS and OSPF WGs.&quot;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">to keep the minor extension t=
o the IGPs close to the architecture and</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">details needed for BIER, whic=
h is the larger quantity of work.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">As it says, cooperation is cr=
itical - both now so those in the OSPF WG</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">are aware and during WGLC, wh=
en we get there.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Alia</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Psenak &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">ppsenak@cisco.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Agreed.<br>
<br>
On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">I vote =E2=80=9CNo=E2=
=80=9D since this should be an OSPF WG draft.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Acee<br>
<br>
From: Greg Shepherd &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">gjshep@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
Reply-To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshe=
p@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">gjshep@gmail.com</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gmail.com</a><br>
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:gjshep@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gjshep@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM<br>
To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org<=
/a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf=
.org</a>&gt;&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">b=
ier@ietf.org</a><br>
&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bier@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bier@ietf.org=
</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following I=
D:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf=
-bier-extensions/" target=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/</a><br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated=
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your ye=
s/no<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 vote to confirm.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Greg (chairs)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
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Yes/support

"Disenfrenchising" is a social engineering argument. IMHO,
choosing the WG should be based on technical arguments. Social
engineering for mutual awareness can much better be done with
eg: 5 min update every IETF to the "other WG", calling for
participation in the draft on "the other mailing list" and ensuring
the is no clash of WG meeting times.

ospf-prefix-link-attr is (finally, after ?25? years, THANK YOU!!)
introducing a well defined extensibility "API". IMHO, work using such
a well defined "API" should preferrably be done by the expert WG for
that work if it exists, and that the IGP WG should support that notion.

If there is fear of misuse of this "API", then the authors of that
OSPF draft should track the intended use like from BIER (in their
respective WGs) and improve their draft with appropriate text to minimize
that risk. Alas, i can't think of a more agreeable/simple use than what
BIER wants, so not much to learn from the BIER use case to harden out
ospf-prefix-link-attr.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 07:23:23PM +0000, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote:
> Alia ???
> 
> My concern is that this approach ???disenfranchises??? those people who mainly pay attention to the IGP and really don???t pay attention to other WGs. These people would not even be aware of BIER IGP extensions were it not for the document being in the IGP WG.
> Do you think it is not possible that someone who knows very little about multicast/BIER but knows a lot about an IGP might spot something that would improve the IGP drafts? We should be encouraging involvement ??? not discouraging it.
> 
> If your concern is the speed at which BIER would like to move, I would point out that the authors of both IGP BIER drafts are active IGP WG members ??? they will certainly move forward aggressively in the IGP WGs and have the experience to do that. This is not the case (as in the TE example you provided to me) that the authors of the IGP drafts are not themselves also IGP experts.
> 
> As I said in the WG meeting, I trust that wherever the drafts proceed we will get a good review ??? but I think we would get better IGP review if the documents were in the IGP WGs.
> 
>    Les
> 
> 
> From: Alia Atlas [mailto:akatlas@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:54 AM
> To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
> Cc: Peter Psenak (ppsenak); gjshep@gmail.com; bier@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee)
> Subject: Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption
> 
> Les,
> 
> I absolutely hear your concern and do think that coordinating between the different
> working groups is critical.  Do you see the OSPF and IS-IS extensions as being more
> than using the IGP to carry basically opaque data?
> 
> Having just chartered bier, I'm more inclined to let it run for 6 months or so and see
> if there are issues with attention and focus.   I did ask for comments on the charter
> and there was even a non-trivial discussion about the charter.
> 
> I have asked the WG chairs for IS-IS, OSPF, and BIER to coordinate and let me know
> if there are any concerns or difficulty.
> 
> Partly, I am also concerned that the speed and focus of BIER moving quickly requires
> tight focus.
> 
> Alia
> 
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsberg@cisco.com<mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com>> wrote:
> Alia ???
> 
> The fact that the IETF process may allow this ??? and in some cases may have done so in the past ??? is not the same as saying this is a ???good idea???.
> 
> In most cases in the past (though I agree not all) drafts which focus on changes to the IGP are IGP WG documents. I think this process works better because if the document is an IGP WG document then:
> 
>    o IGP folks are highly likely to pay attention to it
>    o BIER folks will pay attention to it because it is critical for the progress of BIER
> 
> On the other hand if the document is a BIER WG document it is much more likely that many IGP folks will pay less attention to it.
> 
> Please reconsider your position on this.
> 
>    Les
> 
> 
> From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of Alia Atlas
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:21 AM
> To: Peter Psenak (ppsenak)
> Cc: gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>; bier@ietf.org<mailto:bier@ietf.org>; Acee Lindem (acee)
> Subject: Re: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Please do go reread the charter.  It specifies
> 
> "8) IGP extensions. When a BIER domain falls within a "link state
> IGP"" network, the information needed to set up the BIER forwarding
> tables (e.g., the mapping between a given bit position and a given
> egress router) may be carried in the link state advertisements of the
> IGP. The link state advertisments may also carry other information
> related to forwarding (e.g., the IGP may support multiple topologies,
> in which case it may be necessary to advertise which topologies are
> to be used for BIER forwarding). Any necessary extensions to the IGP
> will be specified by the WG as Experimental, in cooperation with the
> ISIS and OSPF WGs."
> 
> to keep the minor extension to the IGPs close to the architecture and
> details needed for BIER, which is the larger quantity of work.
> 
> As it says, cooperation is critical - both now so those in the OSPF WG
> are aware and during WGLC, when we get there.
> 
> Regards,
> Alia
> 
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com<mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com>> wrote:
> Agreed.
> 
> On 4/1/15 18:24 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
> I vote ???No??? since this should be an OSPF WG draft.
> Thanks,
> Acee
> 
> From: Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com> <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>>
> Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com> <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>" <gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>
> <mailto:gjshep@gmail.com<mailto:gjshep@gmail.com>>>
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 11:07 AM
> To: "bier@ietf.org<mailto:bier@ietf.org> <mailto:bier@ietf.org<mailto:bier@ietf.org>>" <bier@ietf.org<mailto:bier@ietf.org>
> <mailto:bier@ietf.org<mailto:bier@ietf.org>>>
> Subject: [Bier] draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions-02: Call for adoption
> 
>     This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:
> 
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-psenak-ospf-bier-extensions/
> 
>     At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated
>     support for adoption. Please respond to the list with your yes/no
>     vote to confirm.
> 
>     Thanks,
>     Greg (chairs)
> 


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3px"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-bier-use-cases/=
">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kumar-bier-use-cases/</a><br></div>=
<div style=3D"font-size:13px"><br></div><div style=3D"font-size:13px">At the=
 BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated support for adoption=
. Please respond to the list with your yes/no vote to confirm.</div><div sty=
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Subject: Re: [Bier] draft-wijnands-mpls-bier-encapsulation-02: Call for adoption
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As a co-author and operator, support the adoption of this draft.

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> On Apr 1, 2015, at 8:04 AM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
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>=20
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shepherd-bier-problem-statement/
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Authors & editors, as gentle reminder, please ensure that on publication of
the according drafts as WG adopted documents necessary IPR disclosures are
performed as early as feasible

RFC3669,3979

http://www.in2eps.com/xgen/ztk-ietf-wg-gen-ipr.html

thanks

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On 4/8/15 7:20 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote:
> Hi Erik,
>
>> But I couldn't tell from the emails on the BIER list whether the 
>> constraints on the first nibble value is a strict requirement in all 
>> cases, or whether it is conditional on something (and if so, what is 
>> the condition). 
> The conditions that I have thought of include: 1) the encapsulation is sensitive to packet misordering; 2) the encapsulation may be transported over an MPLS PSN; 3) LSRs within that MPLS PSN may use the contents of the MPLS payload to select the ECMP path.
Those are conditions when the misordering would happen. But are you 
saying that any LSR is free to use the MPLS payload (including looking 
for 4 and 6 in the first nibble) to determine whether the packet is IPv4 
and IPv6 and use what it thinks are IPv4 and IPv6 fields for ECMP purposes?

Thanks,
    Erik

>
> Best regards,
> Xiaohu
>
>> Once I know that answer we can definitely add some text pointing out the issue.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>      Erik
>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Xiaohu
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:nordmark@sonic.net]
>>>> Sent: 2015年3月26日 5:01
>>>> To: nvo3@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: [nvo3] Encapsulation considerations
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I presented part of this at the most recent NVO3 interim meeting.The
>>>> full
>>> 12
>>>> areas of considerations where presented at RTGWG earlier this week.
>>>>     The draft is
>>>>       http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtg-dt-encap/
>>>>     and the slides are at
>>>>      http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/slides-92-rtgwg-8.pdf
>>>>
>>>> There is probably additional things in there to consider for NVO3,
>>>> and
>>> advice
>>>> that can be reused to make it easier to move NVO3 forward.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>       Erik
>>>>
>>>>
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On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Erik Nordmark <nordmark@acm.org> wrote:

> On 4/8/15 7:20 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote:
>
>> Hi Erik,
>>
>>  But I couldn't tell from the emails on the BIER list whether the
>>> constraints on the first nibble value is a strict requirement in all ca=
ses,
>>> or whether it is conditional on something (and if so, what is the
>>> condition).
>>>
>> The conditions that I have thought of include: 1) the encapsulation is
>> sensitive to packet misordering; 2) the encapsulation may be transported
>> over an MPLS PSN; 3) LSRs within that MPLS PSN may use the contents of t=
he
>> MPLS payload to select the ECMP path.
>>
> Those are conditions when the misordering would happen. But are you sayin=
g
> that any LSR is free to use the MPLS payload (including looking for 4 and=
 6
> in the first nibble) to determine whether the packet is IPv4 and IPv6 and
> use what it thinks are IPv4 and IPv6 fields for ECMP purposes?


Take a quick look at RFC 4385 - which is the control word for pseudo-wires.
The short form is that a number of routers at the time peeked beneath the
label stack to figure out whether what was inside as IPv4 or IPv6 based
solely upon the first nibble.  A recommendation was made that the checksum
should also be verified, but the only equipment that I'm certain of that
did that isn't around anymore.

Also look at Section 2.4 of RFC 7325.

Alia


>
> Thanks,
>    Erik
>
>
>> Best regards,
>> Xiaohu
>>
>>  Once I know that answer we can definitely add some text pointing out th=
e
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>      Erik
>>>
>>>  Best regards,
>>>> Xiaohu
>>>>
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:nordmark@sonic.net]
>>>>> Sent: 2015=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8826=E6=97=A5 5:01
>>>>> To: nvo3@ietf.org
>>>>> Subject: [nvo3] Encapsulation considerations
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I presented part of this at the most recent NVO3 interim meeting.The
>>>>> full
>>>>>
>>>> 12
>>>>
>>>>> areas of considerations where presented at RTGWG earlier this week.
>>>>>     The draft is
>>>>>       http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtg-dt-encap/
>>>>>     and the slides are at
>>>>>      http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/slides-92-rtgwg-8.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> There is probably additional things in there to consider for NVO3,
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>> advice
>>>>
>>>>> that can be reused to make it easier to move NVO3 forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>       Erik
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>> nvo3 mailing list
>>>> nvo3@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nvo3
>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
hu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Erik Nordmark <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:nordmark@acm.org" target=3D"_blank">nordmark@acm.org</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On 4/8/15 7:20 PM=
, Xuxiaohu wrote:<br>
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Erik,<br>
<br><span class=3D"">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
But I couldn&#39;t tell from the emails on the BIER list whether the constr=
aints on the first nibble value is a strict requirement in all cases, or wh=
ether it is conditional on something (and if so, what is the condition). <b=
r>
</blockquote>
The conditions that I have thought of include: 1) the encapsulation is sens=
itive to packet misordering; 2) the encapsulation may be transported over a=
n MPLS PSN; 3) LSRs within that MPLS PSN may use the contents of the MPLS p=
ayload to select the ECMP path.<br>
</span></blockquote>
Those are conditions when the misordering would happen. But are you saying =
that any LSR is free to use the MPLS payload (including looking for 4 and 6=
 in the first nibble) to determine whether the packet is IPv4 and IPv6 and =
use what it thinks are IPv4 and IPv6 fields for ECMP purposes?</blockquote>=
<div><br></div><div>Take a quick look at RFC 4385 - which is the control wo=
rd for pseudo-wires.</div><div>The short form is that a number of routers a=
t the time peeked beneath the label stack to figure out whether what was in=
side as IPv4 or IPv6 based solely upon the first nibble.=C2=A0 A recommenda=
tion was made that the checksum should also be verified, but the only equip=
ment that I&#39;m certain of that did that isn&#39;t around anymore.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Also look at Section 2.4 of RFC 7325.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Alia</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div cla=
ss=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">
<br>
Thanks,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Erik<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Xiaohu<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Once I know that answer we can definitely add some text pointing out the is=
sue.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Erik<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Best regards,<br>
Xiaohu<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:nordmark@sonic.net" target=3D=
"_blank">nordmark@sonic.net</a>]<br>
Sent: 2015=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8826=E6=97=A5 5:01<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:nvo3@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">nvo3@ietf.org</a><br=
>
Subject: [nvo3] Encapsulation considerations<br>
<br>
<br>
I presented part of this at the most recent NVO3 interim meeting.The<br>
full<br>
</blockquote>
12<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
areas of considerations where presented at RTGWG earlier this week.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The draft is<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtg-d=
t-encap/" target=3D"_blank">http://datatracker.ietf.org/<u></u>doc/draft-rt=
g-dt-encap/</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and the slides are at<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/sl=
ides-92-rtgwg-8.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/<u></u>proceedin=
gs/92/slides/slides-<u></u>92-rtgwg-8.pdf</a><br>
<br>
There is probably additional things in there to consider for NVO3,<br>
and<br>
</blockquote>
advice<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
that can be reused to make it easier to move NVO3 forward.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Erik<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
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I would venture to say that

a.      BIER misordering would be a bad thing for many applications but I
do not think that the encapsulation per se misorders or not as property,
it=E2=80=99s the way the intermediate routers are allowed to play shannigan=
s (or
seen differently, =E2=80=98heuristically=E2=80=99 come up with things given=
 unclear
semantics of the encaps) that causes misordering. So it is up to the encaps
to give enough info so the routers in the middle do the =E2=80=98right thin=
g=E2=80=99.
Modulo historical problems with CW support and so on =E2=80=A6

b.      This flavor of discussion is repeating, e.g. eVPN RFC with the
CW/no CW debate which I could restore only partially and other groups now =
=E2=80=A6



OK, lemme stick my (na=C3=AFve ;-) head far out: why do encaps guidelines f=
or
everything that can go over PSN not mandate CW from now on? Existing gear
and historical RFCs supported until they peter out and entropy labels being
an orthogonal mechanism =E2=80=A6  Or do we think the =E2=80=98heuristical =
DPI' is a
bottomless box of band-aids ?



--- tony

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Erik Nordmark <nordmark@acm.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/15 7:20 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Erik,
>>>
>>>  But I couldn't tell from the emails on the BIER list whether the
>>>> constraints on the first nibble value is a strict requirement in all c=
ases,
>>>> or whether it is conditional on something (and if so, what is the
>>>> condition).
>>>>
>>> The conditions that I have thought of include: 1) the encapsulation is
>>> sensitive to packet misordering; 2) the encapsulation may be transporte=
d
>>> over an MPLS PSN; 3) LSRs within that MPLS PSN may use the contents of =
the
>>> MPLS payload to select the ECMP path.
>>>
>> Those are conditions when the misordering would happen. But are you
>> saying that any LSR is free to use the MPLS payload (including looking f=
or
>> 4 and 6 in the first nibble) to determine whether the packet is IPv4 and
>> IPv6 and use what it thinks are IPv4 and IPv6 fields for ECMP purposes?
>
>
> Take a quick look at RFC 4385 - which is the control word for pseudo-wire=
s.
> The short form is that a number of routers at the time peeked beneath the
> label stack to figure out whether what was inside as IPv4 or IPv6 based
> solely upon the first nibble.  A recommendation was made that the checksu=
m
> should also be verified, but the only equipment that I'm certain of that
> did that isn't around anymore.
>
> Also look at Section 2.4 of RFC 7325.
>
> Alia
>
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>    Erik
>>
>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Xiaohu
>>>
>>>  Once I know that answer we can definitely add some text pointing out
>>>> the issue.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>      Erik
>>>>
>>>>  Best regards,
>>>>> Xiaohu
>>>>>
>>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:nordmark@sonic.net]
>>>>>> Sent: 2015=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8826=E6=97=A5 5:01
>>>>>> To: nvo3@ietf.org
>>>>>> Subject: [nvo3] Encapsulation considerations
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I presented part of this at the most recent NVO3 interim meeting.The
>>>>>> full
>>>>>>
>>>>> 12
>>>>>
>>>>>> areas of considerations where presented at RTGWG earlier this week.
>>>>>>     The draft is
>>>>>>       http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtg-dt-encap/
>>>>>>     and the slides are at
>>>>>>      http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/slides-92-rtgwg-8.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is probably additional things in there to consider for NVO3,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>> advice
>>>>>
>>>>>> that can be reused to make it easier to move NVO3 forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>       Erik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>> nvo3 mailing list
>>>>> nvo3@ietf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nvo3
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-=
family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I would venture to say that=
 </span></p>

<p class=3D"" style=3D"margin-left:0.75in"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;fo=
nt-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">a.<span style=3D"font-st=
retch:normal;font-size:7pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">BIER
misordering would be a bad thing for many applications but I do not think t=
hat
the encapsulation per se misorders or not as property, it=E2=80=99s the way=
 the intermediate
routers are allowed to play shannigans (or seen differently, =E2=80=98heuri=
stically=E2=80=99
come up with things given unclear semantics of the encaps) that causes
misordering. So it is up to the encaps to give enough info so the routers i=
n the
middle do the =E2=80=98right thing=E2=80=99. Modulo historical problems wit=
h CW support and so
on =E2=80=A6 </span></p>

<p class=3D"" style=3D"margin-left:0.75in"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;fo=
nt-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">b.<span style=3D"font-st=
retch:normal;font-size:7pt;font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fami=
ly:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">This flavor of
discussion is repeating, e.g. eVPN RFC with the CW/no CW debate which I cou=
ld
restore only partially and other groups now =E2=80=A6 </span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">OK, lemme stick my (na=C3=AFve ;-) head far =
out: why do encaps guidelines for
everything that can go over PSN not mandate CW from now on? Existing gear a=
nd
historical RFCs supported until they peter out and entropy labels being an =
orthogonal mechanism =E2=80=A6 =C2=A0Or do we think the =E2=80=98heuristica=
l DPI&#39; is a
bottomless box of band-aids ? </span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">--- tony=C2=A0</span></p></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:01 A=
M, Alia Atlas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:akatlas@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">akatlas@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><span class=3D"">On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Erik Nordmark <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nordmark@acm.org" target=3D"_blank">=
nordmark@acm.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><s=
pan>On 4/8/15 7:20 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote:<br>
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Erik,<br>
<br><span>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
But I couldn&#39;t tell from the emails on the BIER list whether the constr=
aints on the first nibble value is a strict requirement in all cases, or wh=
ether it is conditional on something (and if so, what is the condition). <b=
r>
</blockquote>
The conditions that I have thought of include: 1) the encapsulation is sens=
itive to packet misordering; 2) the encapsulation may be transported over a=
n MPLS PSN; 3) LSRs within that MPLS PSN may use the contents of the MPLS p=
ayload to select the ECMP path.<br>
</span></blockquote>
Those are conditions when the misordering would happen. But are you saying =
that any LSR is free to use the MPLS payload (including looking for 4 and 6=
 in the first nibble) to determine whether the packet is IPv4 and IPv6 and =
use what it thinks are IPv4 and IPv6 fields for ECMP purposes?</blockquote>=
<div><br></div></span><div>Take a quick look at RFC 4385 - which is the con=
trol word for pseudo-wires.</div><div>The short form is that a number of ro=
uters at the time peeked beneath the label stack to figure out whether what=
 was inside as IPv4 or IPv6 based solely upon the first nibble.=C2=A0 A rec=
ommendation was made that the checksum should also be verified, but the onl=
y equipment that I&#39;m certain of that did that isn&#39;t around anymore.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Also look at Section 2.4 of RFC 7325.</div><div><=
br></div><div>Alia</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
v><div class=3D"h5"><div><div>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Erik<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Xiaohu<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Once I know that answer we can definitely add some text pointing out the is=
sue.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Erik<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Xiaohu<br>
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Erik Nordmark [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:nordmark@sonic.net" target=3D=
"_blank">nordmark@sonic.net</a>]<br>
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Subject: [nvo3] Encapsulation considerations<br>
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<br>
I presented part of this at the most recent NVO3 interim meeting.The<br>
full<br>
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12<br>
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areas of considerations where presented at RTGWG earlier this week.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The draft is<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtg-d=
t-encap/" target=3D"_blank">http://datatracker.ietf.org/<u></u>doc/draft-rt=
g-dt-encap/</a><br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and the slides are at<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/sl=
ides-92-rtgwg-8.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/<u></u>proceedin=
gs/92/slides/slides-<u></u>92-rtgwg-8.pdf</a><br>
<br>
There is probably additional things in there to consider for NVO3,<br>
and<br>
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advice<br>
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that can be reused to make it easier to move NVO3 forward.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Erik<br>
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Support

On Wednesday, April 1, 2015, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rosen-l3vpn-mvpn-bier/
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> At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated support for
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Support<span></span><br><br>On Wednesday, April 1, 2015, Greg Shepherd &lt;=
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This is the official WG Call For Adoption for the following ID:</span><div =
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blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rosen-l3vpn-mvpn-bier/</a><br=
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">At the BIER WG meeting, IETF 92 in Dallas, the room indicated support for=
 adoption. Please respond to the list with your yes/no vote to confirm.</di=
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On 4/9/15 3:50 PM, Ian Cox wrote:
> MPLS has no indication in the label stack for intermediate nodes what
> the underlying payload is.  To achieve better load balancing of MPLS
> traffic most hardware today looks to see if the first nibble is 4 or
> 6 then parse into the payload under the belief that it is a IPv4 or
> v6 packet and parse the address fields out to use in the ECMP hash.

Some of them also use the TOS or DSCP bits as part of the hashkey with
the additional ensuing entertainment value that provides.

> If your defining something new please put a "next protocol" or type
> field in the preceding header so it clear what the next protocol is.
> The 4 or 6 guess for the underlying MPLS payload being an IP packet
> was fine until IEEE allocated MAC addresses starting with 6. This
> issue is specific PWE3 packets that do not contain the control word.
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> Ian
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> -----Original Message----- From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org]
> On Behalf Of Erik Nordmark Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 10:50 AM=20
> To: Xuxiaohu; Erik Nordmark; nvo3@ietf.org Cc: mpls@ietf.org; BIER;
> sfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bier] [nvo3] Encapsulation considerations
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> On 4/8/15 7:20 PM, Xuxiaohu wrote:
>> Hi Erik,
>>=20
>>> But I couldn't tell from the emails on the BIER list whether the
>>>  constraints on the first nibble value is a strict requirement in
>>> all cases, or whether it is conditional on something (and if so,
>>> what is the condition).
>> The conditions that I have thought of include: 1) the encapsulation
>> is sensitive to packet misordering; 2) the encapsulation may be
>> transported over an MPLS PSN; 3) LSRs within that MPLS PSN may use
>> the contents of the MPLS payload to select the ECMP path.
> Those are conditions when the misordering would happen. But are you=20
> saying that any LSR is free to use the MPLS payload (including
> looking for 4 and 6 in the first nibble) to determine whether the
> packet is IPv4 and IPv6 and use what it thinks are IPv4 and IPv6
> fields for ECMP purposes?
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> Thanks, Erik
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>>=20
>> Best regards, Xiaohu
>>=20
>>> Once I know that answer we can definitely add some text pointing
>>> out the issue.
>>>=20
>>> Thanks, Erik
>>>=20
>>>> Best regards, Xiaohu
>>>>=20
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Erik Nordmark
>>>>> [mailto:nordmark@sonic.net] Sent: 2015=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8826=E6=97=A5=
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>>>>> nvo3@ietf.org Subject: [nvo3] Encapsulation considerations
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>>>>>=20
>>>>> I presented part of this at the most recent NVO3 interim
>>>>> meeting.The full
>>>> 12
>>>>> areas of considerations where presented at RTGWG earlier this
>>>>> week. The draft is=20
>>>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtg-dt-encap/ and the
>>>>> slides are at=20
>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/slides-92-rtgwg-8.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>=20
There is probably additional things in there to consider for NVO3,
>>>>> and
>>>> advice
>>>>> that can be reused to make it easier to move NVO3 forward.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Regards, Erik
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The architecture draft has some procedures (section 6.9) to deal with 
the case where some nodes support BIER and some don't.

A related case not yet mentioned in the draft is the case where some 
nodes have a mixture of BIER-capable links and non-BIER-capable links. 
This could happen on a platform that contains some line cards that are
BIER-capable and some that are not.

If we want to handle this case, the IGP extensions will have to tell us
which links of a given BFR support BIER and which don't.

When applying the procedures of section 6.9, we'd have to treat a 
BFR-NBR as a non-BFR if our link to it is not BIER-capable.  We could 
still bypass it with a unicast tunnel to a BFR (or BFER) that is further 
downstream.  But note that the procedure of unicast-tunneling a BIER 
packet to a BFR further downstream assumes that the packet will arrive 
at the latter BFR over a BIER-capable link.  So when using a unicast 
tunnel to bypass a non-BIER-capable link, we'd have to make sure to 
choose, as the tunnel endpoint, a BFR all of whose links are 
BIER-capable.  In practice, this would require either that all the links 
of a BFER be BIER-capable (except for any links that lead out of the 
BIER domain), or else that the unicast tunnels be explicitly routed to 
avoid the non-BIER-capable links.

A different approach would be to use the multi-topology feature of the 
IGP to have a BIER-specific topology that excludes any non-BIER-capable 
links that are attached to BFRs.  This topology could then be used both 
for native BIER and for the unicast tunnels.  But the disadvantage is 
that it is rather heavyweight, and requires a way to ensure that the 
unicast traffic tunnels used by BIER also travel over the BIER-specific 
topology.

An intermediate approach would be to have a BIER-specific SPF 
computation that excludes the non-BIER-capable links attaching to BFRs, 
but does not require setting up the IGP multi-topology feature.  This is 
not as heavyweight.  However, either the unicast tunnel endpoints would 
have to be BFRs that contain only BIER-capable links, or some additional 
means of keeping the unicast tunnels off the non-BIER-capable links 
would be needed.

Thoughts?


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Hi Eric,

> An intermediate approach would be to have a BIER-specific SPF =
computation that excludes the non-BIER-capable links attaching to BFRs, =
but does not require setting up the IGP multi-topology feature.  This is =
not as heavyweight.  However, either the unicast tunnel endpoints would =
have to be BFRs that contain only BIER-capable links, or some additional =
means of keeping the unicast tunnels off the non-BIER-capable links =
would be needed.
>=20
> Thoughts?

Trying to avoid hitting certain line cards that don=E2=80=99t support =
BIER can be pretty complicated. Its not just trying to avoid that =
ingress LC that does not support BIER, its also possible that (one or =
more) egress LC's don=E2=80=99t support BIER. It all depends how BIER is =
implemented in the specific platform.=20

IMO, the right way to solve this problem is with multi-topology routing. =
The risk of doing an intermediate approach is that you still end up =
doing a lot of work while not solving all corner cases.

Thx,

Ice.

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Jeffrey,

I think we should try avoid over-complicating out solution to deal with par=
tial support cases. The beauty of BIER is that it is "simple" (in positive =
way). MT is a simple solution to the partial BIER support problem.=20

Andrew

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>=
 wrote:
>=20
> It's mainly a question whether we can convince an operator to deploy MT b=
ecause of the partial support. Some may be fine while some others may want =
to avoid MT (whether that's justified is subjective).
>=20
> If we had to address the problem w/o using MT, then advertising per-link =
capability on those partially capable BFRs is precisely to address the prob=
lem of avoiding egress LCs that do not support BIER (otherwise, a BFR could=
 just redirect incoming BIER traffic from an incapable LC to a capable LC).
>=20
> Jeffrey
>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IJsbrand Wijnands
>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:00 PM
>> To: Eric Rosen
>> Cc: BIER
>> Subject: Re: [Bier] Mixing BIER-capable and non-BIER-capable line cards =
in
>> one node
>>=20
>> Hi Eric,
>>=20
>>> An intermediate approach would be to have a BIER-specific SPF
>> computation that excludes the non-BIER-capable links attaching to BFRs,
>> but does not require setting up the IGP multi-topology feature.  This is
>> not as heavyweight.  However, either the unicast tunnel endpoints would
>> have to be BFRs that contain only BIER-capable links, or some additional
>> means of keeping the unicast tunnels off the non-BIER-capable links woul=
d
>> be needed.
>>>=20
>>> Thoughts?
>>=20
>> Trying to avoid hitting certain line cards that don=92t support BIER can=
 be
>> pretty complicated. Its not just trying to avoid that ingress LC that do=
es
>> not support BIER, its also possible that (one or more) egress LC's don=
=92t
>> support BIER. It all depends how BIER is implemented in the specific
>> platform.
>>=20
>> IMO, the right way to solve this problem is with multi-topology routing.
>> The risk of doing an intermediate approach is that you still end up doin=
g
>> a lot of work while not solving all corner cases.
>>=20
>> Thx,
>>=20
>> Ice.
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BIER mailing list
>>> BIER@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier
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That's fine. Just wanted to bring up the issue.

Jeffrey

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dolganow, Andrew (Andrew) [mailto:andrew.dolganow@alcatel-lucent.co=
m]
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 6:50 PM
> To: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
> Cc: IJsbrand Wijnands; Eric Rosen; BIER
> Subject: Re: [Bier] Mixing BIER-capable and non-BIER-capable line cards i=
n
> one node
>=20
> Jeffrey,
>=20
> I think we should try avoid over-complicating out solution to deal with
> partial support cases. The beauty of BIER is that it is "simple" (in
> positive way). MT is a simple solution to the partial BIER support proble=
m.
>=20
> Andrew
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
> > On Apr 24, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.ne=
t>
> wrote:
> >
> > It's mainly a question whether we can convince an operator to deploy MT
> because of the partial support. Some may be fine while some others may
> want to avoid MT (whether that's justified is subjective).
> >
> > If we had to address the problem w/o using MT, then advertising per-lin=
k
> capability on those partially capable BFRs is precisely to address the
> problem of avoiding egress LCs that do not support BIER (otherwise, a BFR
> could just redirect incoming BIER traffic from an incapable LC to a
> capable LC).
> >
> > Jeffrey
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: BIER [mailto:bier-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IJsbrand
> >> Wijnands
> >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:00 PM
> >> To: Eric Rosen
> >> Cc: BIER
> >> Subject: Re: [Bier] Mixing BIER-capable and non-BIER-capable line
> >> cards in one node
> >>
> >> Hi Eric,
> >>
> >>> An intermediate approach would be to have a BIER-specific SPF
> >> computation that excludes the non-BIER-capable links attaching to
> >> BFRs, but does not require setting up the IGP multi-topology feature.
> >> This is not as heavyweight.  However, either the unicast tunnel
> >> endpoints would have to be BFRs that contain only BIER-capable links,
> >> or some additional means of keeping the unicast tunnels off the
> >> non-BIER-capable links would be needed.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Trying to avoid hitting certain line cards that don't support BIER
> >> can be pretty complicated. Its not just trying to avoid that ingress
> >> LC that does not support BIER, its also possible that (one or more)
> >> egress LC's don't support BIER. It all depends how BIER is
> >> implemented in the specific platform.
> >>
> >> IMO, the right way to solve this problem is with multi-topology routin=
g.
> >> The risk of doing an intermediate approach is that you still end up
> >> doing a lot of work while not solving all corner cases.
> >>
> >> Thx,
> >>
> >> Ice.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier
> >>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : Multicast using Bit Index Explicit Replication
        Authors         : IJsbrand Wijnands
                          Eric C. Rosen
                          Andrew Dolganow
                          Tony Przygienda
                          Sam K Aldrin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bier-architecture-00.txt
	Pages           : 31
	Date            : 2015-04-27

Abstract:
   This document specifies a new architecture for the forwarding of
   multicast data packets.  It provides optimal forwarding of multicast
   packets through a "multicast domain".  However, it does not require
   any explicit tree-building protocol, nor does it require intermediate
   nodes to maintain any per-flow state.  This architecture is known as
   "Bit Index Explicit Replication" (BIER).  When a multicast data
   packet enters the domain, the ingress router determines the set of
   egress routers to which the packet needs to be sent.  The ingress
   router then encapsulates the packet in a BIER header.  The BIER
   header contains a bitstring in which each bit represents exactly one
   egress router in the domain; to forward the packet to a given set of
   egress routers, the bits corresponding to those routers are set in
   the BIER header.  Elimination of the per-flow state and the explicit
   tree-building protocols results in a considerable simplification.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : OSPF Extensions For BIER
        Authors         : Peter Psenak
                          Nagendra Kumar
                          IJsbrand Wijnands
                          Andrew Dolganow
                          Tony Przygienda
                          Jeffrey Zhang
                          Sam Aldrin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bier-ospf-bier-extensions-00.txt
	Pages           : 8
	Date            : 2015-04-27

Abstract:
   Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that
   provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without
   requiring intermediate routers to maintain any multicast related per-
   flow state.  BIER also does not require any explicit tree-building
   protocol for its operation.  A multicast data packet enters a BIER
   domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the
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   The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet.  The BIER header
   contains a bit-string in which each bit represents exactly one BFER
   to forward the packet to.  The set of BFERs to which the multicast
   packet needs to be forwarded is expressed by setting the bits that
   correspond to those routers in the BIER header.

   This document describes the OSPF protocol extension required for BIER
   with MPLS encapsulation.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : Encapsulation for Bit Index Explicit Replication in MPLS Networks
        Authors         : IJsbrand Wijnands
                          Eric C. Rosen
                          Andrew Dolganow
                          Jeff Tantsura
                          Sam K Aldrin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation-00.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2015-04-27

Abstract:
   Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that
   provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "multicast domain",
   without requiring intermediate routers to maintain any per-flow state
   or to engage in an explicit tree-building protocol.  When a multicast
   data packet enters the domain, the ingress router determines the set
   of egress routers to which the packet needs to be sent.  The ingress
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   header contains a bitstring in which each bit represents exactly one
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   egress routers, the bits corresponding to those routers are set in
   the BIER header.  The details of the encapsulation depend on the type
   of network used to realize the multicast domain.  This document
   specifies the BIER encapsulation to be used in an MPLS network.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : Multicast VPN Using BIER
        Authors         : Eric C. Rosen
                          Mahesh Sivakumar
                          IJsbrand Wijnands
                          Sam K Aldrin
                          Andrew Dolganow
                          Tony Przygienda
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bier-mvpn-00.txt
	Pages           : 10
	Date            : 2015-04-27

Abstract:
   The Multicast Virtual Private Network (MVPN) specifications require
   the use of multicast tunnels ("P-tunnels") that traverse a Service
   Provider's backbone network.  The P-tunnels are used for carrying
   multicast traffic across the backbone.  A variety of P-tunnel types
   are supported.  Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is a new
   architecture that provides optimal multicast forwarding through a
   "multicast domain", without requiring intermediate routers to
   maintain any per-flow state or to engage in an explicit tree-building
   protocol.  This document specifies the protocol and procedures that
   allow MVPN to use BIER as the method of carrying multicast traffic
   over an SP backbone network.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : BIER Use Cases
        Authors         : Nagendra Kumar
                          Rajiv Asati
                          Mach(Guoyi) Chen
                          Xiaohu Xu
                          Andrew Dolganow
                          Tony Przygienda
                          Arkadiy Gulko
                          Dom Robinson
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bier-use-cases-00.txt
	Pages           : 12
	Date            : 2015-04-27

Abstract:
   Bit Index Explicit Replication (BIER) is an architecture that
   provides optimal multicast forwarding through a "BIER domain" without
   requiring intermediate routers to maintain any multicast related per-
   flow state.  BIER also does not require any explicit tree-building
   protocol for its operation.  A multicast data packet enters a BIER
   domain at a "Bit-Forwarding Ingress Router" (BFIR), and leaves the
   BIER domain at one or more "Bit-Forwarding Egress Routers" (BFERs).
   The BFIR router adds a BIER header to the packet.  The BIER header
   contains a bit-string in which each bit represents exactly one BFER
   to forward the packet to.  The set of BFERs to which the multicast
   packet needs to be forwarded is expressed by setting the bits that
   correspond to those routers in the BIER header.

   This document describes some of the use-cases for BIER.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : BIER support via ISIS
        Authors         : Les Ginsberg
                          Sam Aldrin
                          Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-00.txt
	Pages           : 12
	Date            : 2015-04-27

Abstract:
   Specification of an ISIS extension to support BIER domains and sub-
   domains.



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