From nobody Fri May 5 15:56:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B5612943A for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 15:56:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vr1ElE0938dn for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 15:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x230.google.com (mail-qt0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 351D5129413 for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 15:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x230.google.com with SMTP id n4so16495492qte.2 for ; Fri, 05 May 2017 15:56:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ZV+tZ4WXo3XsviX9Y+Gl4EnUC94us7veC0GNAynNzho=; b=vaqJwjUy+BEsAE77RoRHNh+k1UAngyzdh0oncn3GfmWyANuB3RNfh1nobwruddK3Oy yorXMHLpKNfIaLukAx8R94/LEVc4NulSqS/tjeOo1/CLxlTwh318XAPrYnaXYm123ZhA aoO+JkGu84LwdzWjnBDuXvayAvIPApoiSOshmKrQXhKDP55sZOUiUnl3hmEu6rYyfqwY EIvfFHNr1/ovnM3rTDQrnr6C1ykyENMWRIDMnNLRo2c3bsdPnSeS/QexLUU5uiMUv4Xn k4wqQsGd2JENRXss7dNxOtOcocdu3k4JsonwU7BKzJ5IkxteQvrN2+Es1kNWqns769ia Qkgg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=ZV+tZ4WXo3XsviX9Y+Gl4EnUC94us7veC0GNAynNzho=; b=f5ZeKlnY9QEZyOqn+AQs5g1eRIg7rBIBoYK+Uoo4UpYvLTm6ULGaAMYb/s2GNV1A+x Q2LDXAf97wGTY2FSIy5ZsHBNf4ERZhEskypCGt5rgPlCxMlONm+zFF+ok+LukcrsCpGJ tbVgDAYal1/uWJYiYpq9xht6qltUVHXD0HwnbW1YElwHNLRFPXEVxM+YcfyOkL/kxsbH tv7T4VH3oKuXwFVgM8bFpHe4x8OsSdZzbIuxIIopfvIg+tODET79qp6J8RX69iltX1YG sV8O1zqaGe4f1jUjmqLmgvlh5Rzp+LH7v8yb9IWdRIySieBx0di8fPVCkPwB6rpXSSh0 METQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcCniCz7Rzw17lt911dchIcEEagXhNw3uYrvZKMc4pF+SW54+dea EQs/M0SPhXu1mStl/e5eu+zPzkxtQ11N X-Received: by 10.200.49.194 with SMTP id i2mr1216126qte.156.1494024986318; Fri, 05 May 2017 15:56:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.42.101 with HTTP; Fri, 5 May 2017 15:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: gjshep@gmail.com From: Greg Shepherd Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 15:56:25 -0700 Message-ID: To: "bier@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140ef8c985c89054ececc91 Archived-At: Subject: [Bier] WGLC draft-ietf-bier-architecture-05 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 22:56:29 -0000 --001a1140ef8c985c89054ececc91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 At WG meeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to move forward to WGLC for some of our docs. We learned that even once published the IESG has a process to change the track of the RFC if the WG makes the case to move the work from Informational to Standards track. The feedback from operators is that RFC status was more important than track, and we won't be able to meet our charter requirements to change track without deployment experience and operator support. This email starts a two week timer for feedback on the draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-architecture/ Please read and respond do this thread. EOWGLC - 20/5/17 Thank you, Chairs --001a1140ef8c985c89054ececc91 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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We learned that even once published the IESG has a > process to change the track of the RFC if the WG makes the case to move the > work from Informational to Standards track. The feedback from operators is > that RFC status was more important than track, and we won't be able to meet > our charter requirements to change track without deployment experience and > operator support. > > This email starts a two week timer for feedback on the draft: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation/ > > Please read and respond do this thread. EOWGLC - 20/5/17 > > Thank you, > Chairs > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > > --001a113d3ccc75613f054ef9db98 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Regards,
Greg

On Fri, M= ay 5, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote= :
At WG meeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to mo= ve forward to=C2=A0WGLC=C2=A0for some of our docs.= We learned that even once published the IESG has a process to change the t= rack of the RFC if the WG makes the case to move the work from Informationa= l to Standards track. The feedback from operators is that RFC status was mo= re important than track, and we won't be able to meet our charter requi= rements to change track without deployment experience and operator support.=

This email starts a two week timer for feedback on the draft:
https://d= atatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation/

Please read and respond do this thread.= EOWGLC - 20/5/17

Thank you,
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Regards,
Greg

On Fri, M= ay 5, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote= :
At WG meeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to mo= ve forward to=C2=A0WGLC=C2=A0for some of our docs. We learned that even once = published the IESG has a process to change the track of the RFC if the WG m= akes the case to move the work from Informational to Standards track. The f= eedback from operators is that RFC status was more important than track, an= d we won't be able to meet our charter requirements to change track wit= hout deployment experience and operator support.

This email starts= a two week timer for feedback on the draft:

Please read and respond do this thread. EOWGLC= - 20/5/17

Thank you,
Chairs

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BRs, Linda On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > At WG meeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to move forward to WGLC for > some of our docs. We learned that even once published the IESG has a > process to change the track of the RFC if the WG makes the case to move the > work from Informational to Standards track. The feedback from operators is > that RFC status was more important than track, and we won't be able to meet > our charter requirements to change track without deployment experience and > operator support. > > This email starts a two week timer for feedback on the draft: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-architecture/ > > Please read and respond do this thread. 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BRs,
Linda

On Sat, M= ay 6, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote= :
At WG meeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to mo= ve forward to=C2=A0WGLC=C2=A0for some of our docs. We learned that even once= published the IESG has a process to change the track of the RFC if the WG = makes the case to move the work from Informational to Standards track. The = feedback from operators is that RFC status was more important than track, a= nd we won't be able to meet our charter requirements to change track wi= thout deployment experience and operator support.

This email start= s a two week timer for feedback on the draft:

Please read and respond do this thread. EOWGL= C - 20/5/17

Thank you,
Chairs

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On = Sat, May 6, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com>= wrote:
At WG meeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided= to move forward to=C2=A0WGL= C=C2=A0for some of ou= r docs. We learned that even once published the IESG has a process to chang= e the track of the RFC if the WG makes the case to move the work from Infor= mational to Standards track. The feedback from operators is that RFC status= was more important than track, and we won't be able to meet our charte= r requirements to change track without deployment experience and operator s= upport.

This email starts a two week timer for feedback on the draft:

Please read and respond do this t= hread. EOWGLC - 20/5/17
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Thanks, Nagendra From: BIER > on behalf = of Greg Shepherd > Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com" > Date: Friday, May 5, 2017 at 6:56 PM To: "bier@ietf.org" > Subject: [Bier] WGLC draft-ietf-bier-architecture-05 At WG meeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to move forward to WGLC for so= me of our docs. We learned that even once published the IESG has a process = to change the track of the RFC if the WG makes the case to move the work fr= om Informational to Standards track. The feedback from operators is that RF= C status was more important than track, and we won't be able to meet our ch= arter requirements to change track without deployment experience and operat= or support. This email starts a two week timer for feedback on the draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-architecture/ Please read and respond do this thread. 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Support.

Thanks,
Nagendra

From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Greg Shephe= rd <gjshep@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com" <gjshep@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, May 5, 2017 at 6:56 P= M
To: "bier@ietf.org" <bier@i= etf.org>
Subject: [Bier] WGLC draft-ietf-bie= r-architecture-05

At WG meeti= ng, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to move forward to WGLC for some of our docs. We learned that even once published the IESG has a process to= change the track of the RFC if the WG makes the case to move the work from= Informational to Standards track. The feedback from operators is that RFC = status was more important than track, and we won't be able to meet our charter requirements to change track with= out deployment experience and operator support.

This email starts a two week timer for feedback on the draft:

Please read and respond do this thread. EOWGLC - 20/5/17

Thank you,
Chairs
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Thanks Nagendra From: BIER > on behalf = of Greg Shepherd > Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com" > Date: Friday, May 5, 2017 at 6:58 PM To: "bier@ietf.org" > Subject: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation-06 At WG meeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to move forward to WGLC for so= me of our docs. We learned that even once published the IESG has a process = to change the track of the RFC if the WG makes the case to move the work fr= om Informational to Standards track. The feedback from operators is that RF= C status was more important than track, and we won't be able to meet our ch= arter requirements to change track without deployment experience and operat= or support. This email starts a two week timer for feedback on the draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation/ Please read and respond do this thread. 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Support.

Thanks
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From: BIER <bier-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Greg Shephe= rd <gjshep@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "gjshep@gmail.com" <gjshep@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, May 5, 2017 at 6:58 P= M
To: "bier@ietf.org" <bier@i= etf.org>
Subject: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bi= er-mpls-encapsulation-06

At WG meeti= ng, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to move forward to WGLC for some of our docs. We learned that even once published the IESG has a proce= ss to change the track of the RFC if the WG makes the case to move the work= from Informational to Standards track. The feedback from operators is that= RFC status was more important than track, and we won't be able to meet our charter requirements to change tra= ck without deployment experience and operator support.

This email starts a two week = timer for feedback on the draft:

Please read and respond do th= is thread. EOWGLC - 20/5/17

Thank you,
Chairs
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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 188sm11543970wmf.29.2017.05.08.07.52.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 08 May 2017 07:52:20 -0700 (PDT) To: bier@ietf.org, "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" References: From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 15:52:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C3D5D4A3330F8C2AEC6822E7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation-06 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 14:52:25 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C3D5D4A3330F8C2AEC6822E7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please could you clarify whether this document is being reviewed by the MPLS WG as part of this process? Please can you explain how the entropy system works in MPLS? Are you expecting the P router to look into the BIER header, or are you expecting BIER capable nodes to construct an entropy structure in the outer label stack. If the latter, you have two methods available to you the EL system, and the FAT PW system. The former is becoming the method of choice where available, but you have the option of using the later which will work in any network. I find the title a little strange since the union of MPLS and non-MPLS is all networks and thus you ought to cut the title after "Replication". Best regards Stewart On 05/05/2017 23:58, Greg Shepherd wrote: > At WG meeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to move forward to > WGLC for some of our docs. We learned that even once published the > IESG has a process to change the track of the RFC if the WG makes the > case to move the work from Informational to Standards track. The > feedback from operators is that RFC status was more important than > track, and we won't be able to meet our charter requirements to change > track without deployment experience and operator support. > > This email starts a two week timer for feedback on the draft: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation/ > > Please read and respond do this thread. EOWGLC - 20/5/17 > > Thank you, > Chairs > > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier --------------C3D5D4A3330F8C2AEC6822E7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Please could you clarify whether this document is being reviewed by the MPLS WG as part of this process?

Please can you explain how the entropy system works in MPLS?

Are you expecting the P router to look into the BIER header, or are you expecting BIER capable nodes to construct an entropy structure in the outer label stack.

If the latter, you have two methods available to you the EL system, and the FAT PW system. The former is becoming the method of choice where available, but you have the option of using the later which will work in any network.

I find the title a little strange since the union of MPLS and non-MPLS is all networks and thus you ought to cut the title after "Replication".

Best regards

Stewart


On 05/05/2017 23:58, Greg Shepherd wrote:
At WG meeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to move forward to WGLC for some of our docs. We learned that even once published the IESG has a process to change the track of the RFC if the WG makes the case to move the work from Informational to Standards track. The feedback from operators is that RFC status was more important than track, and we won't be able to meet our charter requirements to change track without deployment experience and operator support.

This email starts a two week timer for feedback on the draft:

Please read and respond do this thread. EOWGLC - 20/5/17

Thank you,
Chairs


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On 5/8/2017 10:52 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > > Please could you clarify whether this document is being reviewed by > the MPLS WG as part of this process? > I'll let the WG chairs answer that ;-) > Please can you explain how the entropy system works in MPLS? > > Are you expecting the P router to look into the BIER header, or are > you expecting BIER capable nodes to construct an entropy structure in > the outer label stack. > A router that is BIER-capable uses the entropy value from the BIER header as part of its BIER forwarding process. This is discussed in the BIER architecture document. If a packet is being tunneled from one BIER-capable router to another, and the tunnel passes through a sequence of intermediate routers, then the tunnel encapsulation probably has some entropy mechanism of its own. It would make sense to ensure that if two BIER packets have the same entropy value in their respective BIER headers, then they have the same entropy in the tunnel encapsulation. However, the tunnel encapsulation is not the BIER encapsulation. and how the tunnel encapsulation header is formed is outside the scope of this document. The BIER entropy field does happen to be 20 bits long, so if the tunnel encapsulation is MPLS, the BIER entropy could be copied into the EL. > If the latter, you have two methods available to you the EL system, > and the FAT PW system. The former is becoming the method of choice > where available, but you have the option of using the later which will > work in any network. > This seems like a general issue about MPLS tunnels, not a BIER-specific issue. > I find the title a little strange since the union of MPLS and non-MPLS > is all networks and thus you ought to cut the title after "Replication". > > Originally the draft only discussed MPLS networks. When a non-MPLS encaps was added, the title was augmented with "and non-MPLS networks". I don't really see a problem with it, as it emphasizes that two encapsulation mechanisms are provided. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y60sm18378705wrb.39.2017.05.08.08.45.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 08 May 2017 08:45:09 -0700 (PDT) To: Eric C Rosen , bier@ietf.org, "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" References: <24a3794c-f195-a885-2049-cb1f56cfe9d0@juniper.net> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 16:44:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <24a3794c-f195-a885-2049-cb1f56cfe9d0@juniper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation-06 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 15:45:13 -0000 On 08/05/2017 16:29, Eric C Rosen wrote: Hi Eric, > However, the tunnel encapsulation is not the BIER encapsulation. and > how the tunnel encapsulation header is formed is outside the scope of > this document. That seems odd. The document seems to be about how you operate BIER in an MPLS network, and so I would have expected tunnelling over MPLS to be in scope. - Stewart From nobody Mon May 8 09:12:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: bier@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CE01294E6; Mon, 8 May 2017 09:12:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a_lcEl6lzu_Q; Mon, 8 May 2017 09:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x231.google.com (mail-wm0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BBE9126C0F; Mon, 8 May 2017 09:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id b84so60349295wmh.0; Mon, 08 May 2017 09:12:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=lfVVbylDNYlbAd3To5wJKF4engt4ltWsUrWpKOpERGY=; b=I7aDi1PcNkkV3SbzZFILWu4+QuxJDzP0mlcnzsQdfuKDiNTqLUenSAsffc9M8E5+Qq 7Rb3vdUtTXxg8zb27hTNutZ7X/CY5cIwTHBaRknsmQ2HWIVcZ2xi/i5JamMBLbpz3CXd 2gVQ3SlQ2S1t3gqgtLAN5a7B6B3comJwlyB7rn9C163KYj6RLY8vtOqgacU+bqdLNb2k kvy5Cko0uJ1yQ0YBahL6/Uy7PHzVkyjj6sB4sLUEA+XCTU/z4atX1dGVPJJdZMZD5wo+ 49yvPeEcoosnxBezcOOYMY7Ee8Dw99EtnCd3W2S7IPntDWjHZ7P5aB57YZrmbDdPsfzN /pKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lfVVbylDNYlbAd3To5wJKF4engt4ltWsUrWpKOpERGY=; b=aIuNoiOdbu3bBoN9UVa+L4Zu0JdETqDnq2XVA0OWj8oil0Y2x1ieJewMeXglz5ZkfZ L0V4Eo3sl19+lim/aQ8pdnDUyqY2Q4G5jXX5Hb/R6cCYxr9yoMw7Sxven+4juxH+pM/y bmjGc/nMHszEIAMTdXg86OnhOoX6I/55Ze6ONteNCQqEFsWETPUgDI0vdGg7Xmqcokjc wq6/FJxk4ilnLBkx3d1BdYypAJsD5kz4a5fnZjEz6pl6DJJEGpIc9+1cdSNzPafvobBB ckyOj5tT2xygWu/vsl77sPUl2EabLSh6sTxNKq78AT1yRyQjDzLllwIRBoMnyOtEGy2Q zsZA== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/6tOtlF/rkLwp7DWms99Y3pYrQI5JLK3jbQ5N7ufbm+/tYvlWGC 4kjstjjRuj/MmvshEBzpmHkG0NujoQ== X-Received: by 10.80.212.211 with SMTP id e19mr19749368edj.164.1494259938014; Mon, 08 May 2017 09:12:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.80.159.37 with HTTP; Mon, 8 May 2017 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <24a3794c-f195-a885-2049-cb1f56cfe9d0@juniper.net> References: <24a3794c-f195-a885-2049-cb1f56cfe9d0@juniper.net> From: Tony Przygienda Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 09:11:37 -0700 Message-ID: To: Eric C Rosen Cc: Stewart Bryant , "bier@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c1af9f8cebc4f054f05808e Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Bier] WGLC: draft-ietf-bier-mpls-encapsulation-06 X-BeenThere: bier@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"Bit Indexed Explicit Replication discussion list\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 16:12:22 -0000 --94eb2c1af9f8cebc4f054f05808e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My initial reaction was same as Eric's. You either have outer stack =3D tunnel in which case what's inside is irrelevant (well, we know about deep inspection hacks but that doesn't apply here) or the label/tag is BIER. if the label is BIER it's processed by definition by a BFR that uses BIER entropy ... I have no opinion whether e.g. BIER entropy should be copied onto outer stack in case BIER is tunneled in MPLS and I consider it an implementation choice really since I don't see a need for the architecture to mandate this ... --- tony On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Eric C Rosen wrote: > Hi Stewart, > > Thanks for your review! > > On 5/8/2017 10:52 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > >> >> Please could you clarify whether this document is being reviewed by the >> MPLS WG as part of this process? >> >> > I'll let the WG chairs answer that ;-) > > Please can you explain how the entropy system works in MPLS? >> >> Are you expecting the P router to look into the BIER header, or are you >> expecting BIER capable nodes to construct an entropy structure in the ou= ter >> label stack. >> >> > A router that is BIER-capable uses the entropy value from the BIER header > as part of its BIER forwarding process. This is discussed in the BIER > architecture document. > > If a packet is being tunneled from one BIER-capable router to another, an= d > the tunnel passes through a sequence of intermediate routers, then the > tunnel encapsulation probably has some entropy mechanism of its own. It > would make sense to ensure that if two BIER packets have the same entropy > value in their respective BIER headers, then they have the same entropy i= n > the tunnel encapsulation. However, the tunnel encapsulation is not the > BIER encapsulation. and how the tunnel encapsulation header is formed is > outside the scope of this document. > > The BIER entropy field does happen to be 20 bits long, so if the tunnel > encapsulation is MPLS, the BIER entropy could be copied into the EL. > > If the latter, you have two methods available to you the EL system, and >> the FAT PW system. The former is becoming the method of choice where >> available, but you have the option of using the later which will work in >> any network. >> >> > This seems like a general issue about MPLS tunnels, not a BIER-specific > issue. > > I find the title a little strange since the union of MPLS and non-MPLS is >> all networks and thus you ought to cut the title after "Replication". >> >> >> > Originally the draft only discussed MPLS networks. When a non-MPLS encap= s > was added, the title was augmented with "and non-MPLS networks". I don't > really see a problem with it, as it emphasizes that two encapsulation > mechanisms are provided. > > Eric > > > _______________________________________________ > BIER mailing list > BIER@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier > --=20 *We=E2=80=99ve heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could pr= oduce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true.* =E2=80=94Robert Wilensky --94eb2c1af9f8cebc4f054f05808e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My initial reaction was same as Eric's. You either hav= e outer stack =3D tunnel in which case what's inside is irrelevant (wel= l, we know about deep inspection hacks but that doesn't apply here) or = the label/tag is BIER. if the label is BIER it's processed by definitio= n by a BFR that uses BIER entropy ...=C2=A0

I have no op= inion whether e.g. BIER entropy should be copied onto outer stack in case B= IER is tunneled in MPLS and I consider it an implementation choice really s= ince I don't see a need for the architecture to mandate this ...=C2=A0<= /div>

--- tony=C2=A0

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Eric C Ro= sen <erosen@juniper.net> wrote:
Hi Stewart,

Thanks for your review!

On 5/8/2017 10:52 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote:

Please could you clarify whether this document is being reviewed by the MPL= S WG as part of this process?


 I'll let the WG chairs answer that ;-)

Please can you explain how the entropy system works in MPLS?

Are you expecting the P router to look into the BIER header, or are you exp= ecting BIER capable nodes to construct an entropy structure in the outer la= bel stack.


 A router that is BIER-capable uses the entropy value from the BIER header a= s part of its BIER forwarding process.=C2=A0 This is discussed in the BIER = architecture document.

If a packet is being tunneled from one BIER-capable router to another, and = the tunnel passes through a sequence of intermediate routers, then the tunn= el encapsulation probably has some entropy mechanism of its own.=C2=A0 It w= ould make sense to ensure that if two BIER packets have the same entropy va= lue in their respective BIER headers, then they have the same entropy in th= e tunnel encapsulation.=C2=A0 However, the tunnel encapsulation is not the = BIER encapsulation. and how the tunnel encapsulation header is formed is ou= tside the scope of this document.

The BIER entropy field does happen to be 20 bits long, so if the tunnel enc= apsulation is MPLS, the BIER entropy could be copied into the EL.

If the latter, you have two methods available to you the EL system, and the= FAT PW system. The former is becoming the method of choice where available= , but you have the option of using the later which will work in any network= .


 This seems like a general issue about MPLS tunnels, not a BIER-specific iss= ue.

I find the title a little strange since the union of MPLS and non-MPLS is a= ll networks and thus you ought to cut the title after "Replication&quo= t;.



 Originally the draft only discussed MPLS networks.=C2=A0 When a non-MPLS en= caps was added, the title was augmented with "and non-MPLS networks&qu= ot;.=C2=A0 I don't really see a problem with it, as it emphasizes that = two encapsulation mechanisms are provided.

Eric


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We don't want to give the Operations&Maintenance ADs any opportunity to insist that the document is not complete without a "how to" guide for operators ;-) > and so I would have expected tunnelling over MPLS to be in scope. The topic of the draft is how to form a BIER encapsulation that can be used in an MPLS network, and how to form a BIER encapsulation that can be used in a non-MPLS network. Admitedly, there is some discussion (sections 2.1.3 and 2.2.3) of further encapsulating the BIER packets in tunnels, but not a comprehensive survey of all the issues that might arise when tunneling. Suppose P1 and P2 are packets, and E(Px) is the result of encapsulating Px in order to send it through a particular tunnel. I think it is true in general that if P1 and P2 have the same entropy, then it is desirable for E(P1) and E(P2) to also have the same entropy. This isn't mentioned because it isn't specific to either BIER or to MPLS, it's a general principle of tunneling. But I could add something like the above sentences to sections 2.1.3 and 2.2.3, as well as to section 6.9 of the architecture draft. Note that that text deliberately avoids RFC2119 language. I don't want to get into any detail about how to set the entropy in the tunnel encapsulation headers; that's clearly out of scope. There is no need for a discussion of when it is and is not appropriate to use the entropy label, how one knows whether the entropy label will be understood properly, how one knows whether the entropy label will make the stack too long, whether the FAT PW mechanism is appropriate, whether hardware can always preserve the entropy properly when putting on a tunnel encapsulation header, what the best entropy mechanism is for MPLSoUDP encapsulations, etc., etc., etc. Someone could write an entire draft on the entropy issues that arise when tunneling, but I don't think this needs to be dealt with in the BIER docs. (BTW, I'm sure you've noticed that the entropy field in the BIER header is 20 bits long, and hence could be copied into an entropy label. Perhaps it's worth mentioning tht explicitly, as long as RFC2119 language is not used.) 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