From ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org Wed Nov 11 12:28:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-calsify-archive-Feit0ahl@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-calsify-archive-Feit0ahl@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAAA33A6B11 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:28:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BslO4PDhUkM0 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:28:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from leka.osafoundation.org (leka.osafoundation.org [149.20.54.96]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D0E3A6B34 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1687841F0; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:29:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org Received: from leka.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (leka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X0qRl+kMQCFk; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from leka.osafoundation.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896657841F4; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:28:57 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564777841F4 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:28:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org Received: from leka.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (leka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0nzqLk5FK01q for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E22E7841F0 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 240D11702E9; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [171.64.18.7] (pol-adamhl.Stanford.EDU [171.64.18.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: adamhl) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9857E1702EF; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:28:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4AFB1E7C.8000904@lewenberg.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:28:44 -0800 From: Adam User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Subject: [ietf-calsify] ORGANIZER as an implicit ATTENDEE X-BeenThere: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "RFC2445, 2446 and 2447 Discusions" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org Errors-To: ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org The question of whether the ORGANIZER is an implicit ATTENDEE has come up on this list before. For example, see http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify/2005-August/000742.html http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify/2007-February/001575.html From the responses it appears that people believe that the ORGANIZER is _not_ automatically an ATTENDEE. However, reading RFC 5545 I see nothing explicit addressing this issue. Furthermore, there is some language that suggests the *opposite*. In the section titled "4. iCalendar Object Examples" there is this text: The "Organizer" has scheduled the meeting with one or more calendar users in a group. The ICS provided for this example does _not_ include an attendee for the organizer. The above language "...has scheduled the meeting WITH one..." (emphasis added) clearly implies that the organizer is an attendee of this meeting. (If the preposition in "...scheduled the meeting with one..." is changed from "with" to "for" that would more clearly indicate that the organizer is not attending the meeting.) So, if the RFC wants to make its intentions clear on this question, it should explicitly stat what meaning is intended. This is not merely a theoretical question. There are large commercial calendaring products currently on the market that make the assumption that the organizer is always an attendee. So, a clarification of this point would help with interoperability. Adam Lewenburg _______________________________________________ ietf-calsify mailing list ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify From ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org Wed Nov 11 12:34:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-calsify-archive-Feit0ahl@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-calsify-archive-Feit0ahl@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF9E3A68D2 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:34:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i4iKKe3V6znM for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from leka.osafoundation.org (leka.osafoundation.org [149.20.54.96]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8BA3A68FC for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8326794021; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:34:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org Received: from leka.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (leka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ezb9-iJkLhcB; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from leka.osafoundation.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536B57841F6; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:34:15 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Delivered-To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCA37841F6; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:34:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org Received: from leka.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (leka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3TU1lZU+PJOF; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from capricorn.lotus.com (capricorn.lotus.com [192.147.106.25]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by leka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27937841F3; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:33:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4AFB1E7C.8000904@lewenberg.com> To: Adam Message-ID: From: "Robert Ransdell" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:33:50 -0500 References: <4AFB1E7C.8000904@lewenberg.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: 4DF035B8:7B9EE5CB-8525766B:0070B872; name=$KeepSent; type=4 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V852_11012009NP November 01, 2009 X-Disclaimed: 28667 Cc: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org, ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org Subject: Re: [ietf-calsify] ORGANIZER as an implicit ATTENDEE X-BeenThere: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "RFC2445, 2446 and 2447 Discusions" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0761395496==" Mime-version: 1.0 Sender: ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org Errors-To: ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org --===============0761395496== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0070F3828525766B_=" --=_alternative 0070F3828525766B_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the Assistant scheduled the meeting for the group as ORGANIZER. The=20 assistant is not necessarily going to the meeting, but he/she is still=20 doing the scheduling. From: Adam To: ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org Date: 11/11/2009 03:29 PM Subject: [ietf-calsify] ORGANIZER as an implicit ATTENDEE Sent by: ietf-calsify-bounces@osafoundation.org The question of whether the ORGANIZER is an implicit ATTENDEE has come up on this list before. For example, see http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify/2005-August/000742.ht= ml http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify/2007-February/001575.= html From the responses it appears that people believe that the ORGANIZER is =5Fnot=5F automatically an ATTENDEE. However, reading RFC 5545 I see nothing explicit addressing this issue. Furthermore, there is some language that suggests the *opposite*. In the section titled "4. iCalendar Object Examples" there is this text: The "Organizer" has scheduled the meeting with one or more calendar users in a group. The ICS provided for this example does =5Fnot=5F include an attendee for the organizer. The above language "...has scheduled the meeting WITH one..." (emphasis added) clearly implies that the organizer is an attendee of this meeting. (If the preposition in "...scheduled the meeting with one..." is changed from "with" to "for" that would more clearly indicate that the organizer is not attending the meeting.) So, if the RFC wants to make its intentions clear on this question, it should explicitly stat what meaning is intended. This is not merely a theoretical question. There are large commercial calendaring products currently on the market that make the assumption that the organizer is always an attendee. So, a clarification of this point would help with interoperability. Adam Lewenburg =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F ietf-calsify mailing list ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify --=_alternative 0070F3828525766B_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the Assistant scheduled the meeting for the group as ORGANIZER.  The assistant is not necessarily going to the meeting, but he/she is still doing the scheduling.


From:    =    Adam <calsify329@lewenbe= rg.com>
To:=        ietf-calsify@osafoundation.= org
Date: &nbs= p;      11/11/2009 03:29 PM<= br>Subject:        [ietf-calsify] ORGANIZER as an implicit ATTENDEE
Sent by:        ietf-calsify-bounces= @osafoundation.org



The= question of whether the ORGANIZER is an implicit ATTENDEE has come
up on this list before. For example, see

http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipe= rmail/ietf-calsify/2005-August/000742.html
http://lists.osafound= ation.org/pipermail/ietf-calsify/2007-February/001575.html<= tt>

From the responses it appears that people believ= e that the ORGANIZER is
=5Fnot=5F automatically an ATTENDEE.

Howe= ver, reading RFC 5545 I see nothing explicit addressing this issue.
Furt= hermore, there is some language that suggests the *opposite*. In the
sec= tion titled "4.  iCalendar Object Examples" there is this text:

  The "Organizer" has scheduled the meeti= ng with one or more
  calendar users in a group.

The ICS provided for this= example does =5Fnot=5F include an attendee for the
 organizer. Th= e above language "...has scheduled the meeting WITH
one..." (emphasis added) clearly implies that the organizer is= an
attendee of this meeting. (If the preposition in "...scheduled = the
meeting with one..." is changed from "with" to "= for" that would more
clearly indicate that the organizer is not attending the= meeting.)

So, if the RFC wants to make its intentions clear on this= question, it
should explicitly stat what meaning is intended.

Th= is is not merely a theoretical question. There are large commercial
cale= ndaring products currently on the market that make the assumption
that t= he organizer is always an attendee. So, a clarification of this
point wo= uld help with interoperability.

Adam Lewenburg
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--=_alternative 0070F3828525766B_=-- --===============0761395496== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ietf-calsify mailing list ietf-calsify@osafoundation.org http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-calsify --===============0761395496==-- From calsify-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 18 11:13:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify-archive-feit0ahl@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-calsify-archive-Feit0ahl@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2C23A68DA; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:13:37 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2B03A684D for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:13:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lROvC7Xl0Uqt for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:13:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.uk.scalix.com (mail.uk.scalix.com [82.111.253.243]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793F73A67DB for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.uk.scalix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.uk.scalix.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nAIJDMtb013063 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:13:24 GMT Received: from [10.11.108.23] (neptune.uk.scalix.com [10.11.108.23]) by mail.uk.scalix.com (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.5.0.13653) via ESMTP; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:13:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:13:21 +0000 From: Gren Elliot To: calsify@ietf.org Message-ID: <4B044751.1060500@scalix.com> x-scalix-Hops: 1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) X-SMP-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0203.4B044752.0030,ss=1,fgs=0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [calsify] icalendar@ietf.org mailing list mentioned in RFC5545 X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: calsify-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: calsify-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I'm looking at the new iCalendar spec - RFC 5545. That talks about a lovely new mechanism for registering new iCalendar elements - starting with discussions on the "icalendar@ietf.org" mailing list. Does that list exist yet? If so, how does one get subscribed to it? I'm interested because I'm starting to see ICAL containing parameters not mentioned in RFC 5545 which don't have the "X-" prefix and I'd like to find out if attempts are being made to register them. Regards, Gren. _______________________________________________ calsify mailing list calsify@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/calsify From gren.elliot@scalix.com Wed Nov 18 11:13:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2B03A684D for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:13:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lROvC7Xl0Uqt for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:13:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.uk.scalix.com (mail.uk.scalix.com [82.111.253.243]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793F73A67DB for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.uk.scalix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.uk.scalix.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nAIJDMtb013063 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:13:24 GMT Received: from [10.11.108.23] (neptune.uk.scalix.com [10.11.108.23]) by mail.uk.scalix.com (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.5.0.13653) via ESMTP; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:13:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:13:21 +0000 From: Gren Elliot To: calsify@ietf.org Message-ID: <4B044751.1060500@scalix.com> x-scalix-Hops: 1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) X-SMP-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0203.4B044752.0030,ss=1,fgs=0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format="flowed" Subject: [calsify] icalendar@ietf.org mailing list mentioned in RFC5545 X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:13:36 -0000 Hi, I'm looking at the new iCalendar spec - RFC 5545. That talks about a lovely new mechanism for registering new iCalendar elements - starting with discussions on the "icalendar@ietf.org" mailing list. Does that list exist yet? If so, how does one get subscribed to it? I'm interested because I'm starting to see ICAL containing parameters not mentioned in RFC 5545 which don't have the "X-" prefix and I'd like to find out if attempts are being made to register them. Regards, Gren. From bernard.desruisseaux@oracle.com Wed Nov 18 13:46:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85E73A69F1 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:46:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dNlHu-VsFe8H for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com (acsinet12.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8433A69AE for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from rgminet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id nAILkBtU027180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:46:13 GMT Received: from hqdfmt01.oracle.com (hqdfmt01.oracle.com [148.87.24.194]) by rgminet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id nAILkVQi007861; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:46:36 GMT Received: from [10.156.43.80] (/10.156.43.80) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:46:25 -0800 Message-ID: <4B046B2E.6040005@oracle.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:46:22 -0500 From: Bernard Desruisseaux User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gren Elliot References: <4B044751.1060500@scalix.com> In-Reply-To: <4B044751.1060500@scalix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Source-IP: hqdfmt01.oracle.com [148.87.24.194] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4B046B38.0027:SCFSTAT9981554,ss=1,fgs=0 Cc: calsify@ietf.org Subject: Re: [calsify] icalendar@ietf.org mailing list mentioned in RFC5545 X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:46:39 -0000 Hi Gren, See: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/icalendar Cheers, Bernard Gren Elliot wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking at the new iCalendar spec - RFC 5545. That talks about a > lovely new mechanism for registering new iCalendar elements - starting > with discussions on the "icalendar@ietf.org" mailing list. Does that > list exist yet? If so, how does one get subscribed to it? > > I'm interested because I'm starting to see ICAL containing parameters > not mentioned in RFC 5545 which don't have the "X-" prefix and I'd like > to find out if attempts are being made to register them. > > Regards, > Gren. > _______________________________________________ > calsify mailing list > calsify@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/calsify From calsify-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 18 13:46:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify-archive-feit0ahl@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-calsify-archive-Feit0ahl@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90E23A69FD; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:46:41 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85E73A69F1 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:46:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dNlHu-VsFe8H for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com (acsinet12.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8433A69AE for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from rgminet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id nAILkBtU027180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:46:13 GMT Received: from hqdfmt01.oracle.com (hqdfmt01.oracle.com [148.87.24.194]) by rgminet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id nAILkVQi007861; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:46:36 GMT Received: from [10.156.43.80] (/10.156.43.80) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:46:25 -0800 Message-ID: <4B046B2E.6040005@oracle.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:46:22 -0500 From: Bernard Desruisseaux User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gren Elliot References: <4B044751.1060500@scalix.com> In-Reply-To: <4B044751.1060500@scalix.com> X-Source-IP: hqdfmt01.oracle.com [148.87.24.194] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4B046B38.0027:SCFSTAT9981554,ss=1,fgs=0 Cc: calsify@ietf.org Subject: Re: [calsify] icalendar@ietf.org mailing list mentioned in RFC5545 X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: calsify-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: calsify-bounces@ietf.org Hi Gren, See: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/icalendar Cheers, Bernard Gren Elliot wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking at the new iCalendar spec - RFC 5545. That talks about a > lovely new mechanism for registering new iCalendar elements - starting > with discussions on the "icalendar@ietf.org" mailing list. Does that > list exist yet? If so, how does one get subscribed to it? > > I'm interested because I'm starting to see ICAL containing parameters > not mentioned in RFC 5545 which don't have the "X-" prefix and I'd like > to find out if attempts are being made to register them. > > Regards, > Gren. > _______________________________________________ > calsify mailing list > calsify@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/calsify _______________________________________________ calsify mailing list calsify@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/calsify From gren.elliot@scalix.com Thu Nov 19 02:43:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203C13A6820 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:43:27 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: <2v1uI3GtxJjM> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Duplicate header field: "References" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2v1uI3GtxJjM for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:43:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.uk.scalix.com (mail.uk.scalix.com [82.111.253.243]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3093A6819 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.uk.scalix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.uk.scalix.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nAJAhKjJ023560; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:43:20 GMT Received: from copper.uk.scalix.com (copper.uk.scalix.com [10.11.108.128]) by mail.uk.scalix.com (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.5.0.13653) via ESMTP; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:43:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:43:18 +0000 From: Gren Elliot To: Bernard Desruisseaux Message-ID: <4B052146.4080207@scalix.com> In-Reply-To: <4B046B2E.6040005@oracle.com> References: <4B044751.1060500@scalix.com> References: <4B046B2E.6040005@oracle.com> x-scalix-Hops: 1 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Lightning/1.0pre Thunderbird/3.0b4 X-SMP-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0208.4B052147.0269,ss=1,fgs=0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format="flowed" Cc: calsify@ietf.org Subject: Re: [calsify] icalendar@ietf.org mailing list mentioned in RFC5545 X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:43:27 -0000 Thanks Bernard - subscribed now. Regards, Gren. On 18/11/2009 21:46, Bernard Desruisseaux wrote: > Hi Gren, > > See: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/icalendar > > Cheers, > Bernard > > Gren Elliot wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking at the new iCalendar spec - RFC 5545. That talks about a >> lovely new mechanism for registering new iCalendar elements - >> starting with discussions on the "icalendar@ietf.org" mailing list. >> Does that list exist yet? If so, how does one get subscribed to it? >> >> I'm interested because I'm starting to see ICAL containing parameters >> not mentioned in RFC 5545 which don't have the "X-" prefix and I'd >> like to find out if attempts are being made to register them. >> >> Regards, >> Gren. -- Gren Elliot Senior Software Engineer *Scalix* gren.elliot@scalix.com Tel: +44 1344 381812 www.scalix.com From calsify-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 19 02:43:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify-archive-feit0ahl@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-calsify-archive-Feit0ahl@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72253A6820; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:43:28 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203C13A6820 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:43:27 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: <2v1uI3GtxJjM> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Duplicate header field: "References" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2v1uI3GtxJjM for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:43:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.uk.scalix.com (mail.uk.scalix.com [82.111.253.243]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3093A6819 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.uk.scalix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.uk.scalix.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nAJAhKjJ023560; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:43:20 GMT Received: from copper.uk.scalix.com (copper.uk.scalix.com [10.11.108.128]) by mail.uk.scalix.com (Scalix SMTP Relay 11.5.0.13653) via ESMTP; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:43:19 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:43:18 +0000 From: Gren Elliot To: Bernard Desruisseaux Message-ID: <4B052146.4080207@scalix.com> In-Reply-To: <4B046B2E.6040005@oracle.com> References: <4B044751.1060500@scalix.com> References: <4B046B2E.6040005@oracle.com> x-scalix-Hops: 1 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20090915 Lightning/1.0pre Thunderbird/3.0b4 X-SMP-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0208.4B052147.0269,ss=1,fgs=0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: calsify@ietf.org Subject: Re: [calsify] icalendar@ietf.org mailing list mentioned in RFC5545 X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: calsify-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: calsify-bounces@ietf.org Thanks Bernard - subscribed now. Regards, Gren. On 18/11/2009 21:46, Bernard Desruisseaux wrote: > Hi Gren, > > See: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/icalendar > > Cheers, > Bernard > > Gren Elliot wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking at the new iCalendar spec - RFC 5545. That talks about a >> lovely new mechanism for registering new iCalendar elements - >> starting with discussions on the "icalendar@ietf.org" mailing list. >> Does that list exist yet? If so, how does one get subscribed to it? >> >> I'm interested because I'm starting to see ICAL containing parameters >> not mentioned in RFC 5545 which don't have the "X-" prefix and I'd >> like to find out if attempts are being made to register them. >> >> Regards, >> Gren. -- Gren Elliot Senior Software Engineer *Scalix* gren.elliot@scalix.com Tel: +44 1344 381812 www.scalix.com _______________________________________________ calsify mailing list calsify@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/calsify From Steven.Lees@microsoft.com Wed Nov 25 16:10:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: calsify@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1934C3A6835 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:10:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, 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Steven Lees To: "calsify@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-daboo-et-al-icalendar-in-xml-01 Thread-Index: AcpuKm3lcRcrPPoMSAeCHbbjIEHuJA== Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:10:50 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [calsify] FW: New Version Notification for draft-daboo-et-al-icalendar-in-xml-01 X-BeenThere: calsify@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: calsify-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: calsify-bounces@ietf.org I just submitted an updated draft for the current XML iCalendar specification. The main changes from the last version (which was submitted in June 2009) are: 1. Changed 2445bis references to RFC5545. 2. Added a version number to the XML namespace for iCalendar. 3. Changed the values for the date, date-time, period, and duration elements to exactly match the values specified in RFC5545. Previously these were broken out into separate elements for day, month, year, etc. 4. Added specification for XML property in iCalendar (section 4). Feedback is appreciated! Thanks, Steven -----Original Message----- From: IETF I-D Submission Tool [mailto:idsubmission@ietf.org] Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:08 PM To: Steven Lees Cc: cyrus@daboo.name; douglm@rpi.edu Subject: New Version Notification for draft-daboo-et-al-icalendar-in-xml-01 A new version of I-D, draft-daboo-et-al-icalendar-in-xml-01.txt has been successfuly submitted by Steven Lees and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-daboo-et-al-icalendar-in-xml Revision: 01 Title: iCalendar XML Representation Creation_date: 2009-11-25 WG ID: Independent Submission Number_of_pages: 43 Abstract: This specification defines a format for representing iCalendar data in XML. Status of This Memo This Internet-Draft is submitted to IETF in full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet- Drafts. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. 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