From giomarti@cisco.com Mon Apr 2 13:50:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E601B21F8768 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:50:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kKUc-xuhNp3N for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A9521F875B for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:50:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=giomarti@cisco.com; l=10258; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1333399819; x=1334609419; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xC3knVif9wTv2fTjhxzULO0dTLU9OA0iN+uhQ0EvpCc=; b=GXEbmR9a7ZOIc8eUjXd1Nvw2jIaVPIMIdhI3Yoz0WoLoAVhXTxk2zoYn PwBGLCSBaXhCjnrIN9G4aQKcWJpN4iXGirWbq4PAssdjdVyRaEGnHTFjS pkWeG94fx2vVm1D0txAzQoDNc6nVwcLNeaHIKoILkbDqJRIEEE+hQfTJW E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAHz4eU+Q/khN/2dsb2JhbAA7Crd8gQeCCQEBAQMBAQEBDwElLwcGBBELGAkWDwkDAgECARUwEwYCAQEeh2IFC5tJnwsEiwYJhV8ElWGOR4FogmmBWg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,358,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="134075766" Received: from ams-core-4.cisco.com ([144.254.72.77]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Apr 2012 20:50:18 +0000 Received: from ams3-vpn-dhcp4632.cisco.com (ams3-vpn-dhcp4632.cisco.com [10.61.82.23]) by ams-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q32KoHfc001161 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:50:17 GMT Message-ID: <4F7A110B.1040001@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:50:19 +0200 From: Giovanni Martinelli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp@ietf.org References: <4F744018.8040701@cttc.es> <4F744AA9.6020708@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4F744AA9.6020708@labn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Flexible Grids Presentations at the next IETF X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:50:22 -0000 I know there was a sort of sub-ccamp meeting and probably results will circulate soon but I'd love to share my personal opinion here as well ... (since not so much time left for mic during wg meeting). - as someone is going to merge frameworks I would probably try not to rewrite wson framework with just some replacements (s/wson/sson/ or s/rwa/rsa/). As heard from someone I agree there's need of common understanding and terminology but I would lean toward not rewrite what already in ITU doc (apart from what needed for quick understanding). - On the same line I would probably echo Adrian message on the this list few weeks back and focus in getting first some foundations (e.g. label). Cheers G On 3/29/12 13:42 , Lou Berger wrote: > Ramon, > Thanks for getting things started. Keep in mind that you don't have to > have 100% agreement to merge documents. As part of a merge process, a > document can contain sections with multiple, and even conflicting, > alternatives. Sometimes during such a process authors will even find > they actually have greater alignment than they at first realize. > > Lou > > On 3/29/2012 12:57 PM, Ramon Casellas wrote: >> On 03/29/2012 11:10 AM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote: >>> All, >>> As discussed in yesterday's session, we are looking for the authors of >>> the flexible grid related drafts to work on merging like drafts. We are >>> hopeful that we will be discussing the merged requirements/framework, >>> routing, signaling, and LMP drafts at the next meeting. If such merging >>> does not occur before the next meeting, we (the chairs) will most likely >>> use the session time to discuss issues preventing such merging and not >>> schedule any individual presentations on the topic. >>> >> >> Dear Deborah, flexi-grid drafts (co)-authors, all >> >> Following WG chairs suggestion and in order to move forward / integrate >> drafts, please find below (my own) summary of open issues / draft >> differences and possible choices. >> >> Sorry for the length of the mail. Please, feel free to correct/add or >> comment. The list reflects in part my views and comments in past emails >> and private conversations, and mistakes are my own >> >> Of course, stated for the gazillion-th, everything is conditioned by >> ITU-T data plane :-) -- which will definitely impact some of the points >> below, notably I and I-B) >> >> that said: >> >> >> >> I) Are non-contiguous frequency slots in scope? >> =============================== >> >> a) No, we should focus on the use case of having a contiguous frequency >> slot, defined by n and m. >> >> b) Yes, it should be integral part of the data plane model >> >> c) Yes, but it can be done using virtual concatenation (even at a later >> stage, when I.a is mature) >> >> d) A new framework of multi-channel (not in the sense of optical >> modulation formats) should be defined, generically (Igor?) >> >> afaik 2 fwk drafts assume I.a and potentially I.c // 1 fwk draft assumes b >> >> >> >> I-B) Optical Conversion >> ================ >> >> *) Does an LSP start and end at a given trail termination? is the >> equivalent of wavelength conversion (spectrum conversion) considered? >> >> *) Does an LSP span O/E/O conversions or only transparent segments? >> >> afaik, current drafts assume an LSP may span O/E/O >> >> >> II) Switching capability Layer / Region >> ========================= >> >> a) SSON as evolution of WSON, same LSC >> >> - an extension of WSON allowing heterogeneous requests >> >> - backwards compatibility with WSON? Interworking? >> >> - Potential problems with the max LSP bw per prio in the iscd (see >> routing) >> >> - Potential problems with having the same swcap but the label >> format changes w.r.t. wson (for some definitions of label encoding / format) >> >> - Will reuse a lot of work / procedures / encodings defined in the >> context of wson >> >> >> b) A new SwCap may need to be defined >> >> - LSC swcap already defined ISCD which can not be modified >> >> - It may be problematic to have a the same swcap but different >> label formats. Role of LSP encoding type? >> >> - This may be necessary depending on the retained data plane model >> >> >> * Notion of hierarchy? >> >> - There is no notion of hierarchy between WSON and flexi-grid / >> SSON - only interop / interwork >> >> >> >> >> III) Label format (see also V) >> ========================= >> >> a) Assuming a data plane model I.a) "m" (the parameter that defines the >> slot width, as in m*12.5 GHz) "m" is inherent part of the label >> >> - It is part of the switching >> >> - It allows encode the "lightpath" in a ERO using Explicit >> Label Control >> >> - Still maintains that feature a cross-connect is defined by >> the tuple (port-in, label-in, port-out, label-out), allows a kind-of >> "best effort LSP" >> >> >> >> b) Assuming a data plane model I.a) "m" is not part of the label but of >> the TSPEC >> >> - Needs to be in the TSPEC to decouple client signal traffic >> specification and management of the optical spectrum >> >> - Does not need to be in the label, since it is carried in >> the TSPEC / flowdescriptor flowspec. Having in both places is redundant >> and open to incoherences, extra error checking >> >> - Does not need to be in the label, it is in the TSPEC and >> for OTN it was decided to remove tspec-related params out of the label >> >> >> c) Assuming a data plane model I.a) "m" is both path of the label and >> the TSPEC >> >> - It reflects both the concept of resource request / >> allocation / reservation and the concept of being inherent part of the >> switching >> >> >> d) Different label format, since the data plane model is different >> (I.b, I.d) >> >> >> >> >> IV) Requirements/Framework documents >> ========================== >> >> *) Two of the framework drafts are quite similar, based on I.a) - main >> difference is III.a) and III.b) >> >> - they could be merged if a final decision on the label format was >> made (also merged stating the different options, as Lou said) >> >> >> *) Point raised regarding the multi-carrier / single-carrier questions >> (as optical modulation formats) >> >> - Yes, both: the management of the optical spectrum (once the >> "frequency range" or "m" is allocated) should not imply whether we >> consider only single carrier or multi carrier. As long as the client >> singal uses the allocated frequency slot whether the transceiver uses a >> single carrier (i.e. qam) or multi-carrier (o-ofdm) are both covered >> >> - No, only single carrier >> >> >> >> V) Signalling / RSVP-TE >> ========================== >> >> * At least two signaling drafts could be aligned once we have a common >> definition of a label (III,a,b,c) >> >> >> * Open issue with Sender Descriptor SENDER_TSPEC and flow descriptor >> FLOWSPEC: >> >> a) should contain "m" - this decouples client signal data rates, >> modulation, fec, etc. from the optical spectrum management >> >> b) having "m" in the tspec is problematic in the case of O/E/O - >> wavelength / spectrum converters since it can imply that m changes along >> the path >> (could be a problem or not, there is also the ADSPEC) >> >> c) client signal tspec (e.g. intserv token bucket tspec) should/could be >> "piggybacked" in the tspec that carries "m" >> >> d) It is not clear whether the "span" of an LSP should cover O/E/O >> elements, (trail termination) thus even if all-optical conversion is >> deployed TSPEC will not change >> >> e) for data rates 40/100/400 Gbps with advanced modulation formats >> (coherent O-OFDM, polmux, etc) all optical conversion may not be ready >> in a near future? >> >> >> >> Routing >> ========================== >> >> *) Routing "Labels" >> >> a) having the label format III.b) unifies "signaling labels" and >> "routing labels" >> >> b) routing "label format" and "signaling label format" may be different >> >> c) There is no such thing as "routing labels": A path computation entity >> (being an ingress, intermediate node or a PCE) basically needs (other >> than ROADMs and transceivers capabilities and limitations) a TE link >> characterization by means of the knowledge the status and availability >> of central (nominal) frequencies (n parameters) in the operating band. >> It happens that in WSON, labels uniquely identify wavelengths, but this >> may not be the case in SSON. In other words, disseminating labels in >> WSON is a "short hand" for disseminating wavelength identifiers, but the >> same idea does not need to apply in SSON: the requirement of knowing the >> central frequencies does not map to knowing the labels, except for some >> of the proposed label formats. In order to disseminate the status of >> central frequencies, efficient encodings may use a combination of bitmap >> encoding or "group" them. This is where the use of something like "m" to >> convey a "range" may be beneficial, but this is only from the point of >> view of encoding (labelsets) >> >> >> * Max LSP bandwidth per prio / unresv b per prio >> >> - At data rates of GBps / TBps, encoding bandwidths with bytes per >> second unit and IEEE 32-bit floating may be problematic / non scalable. >> Potential problems in CSPF may >> >> - This field is not relevant since there is not a 1-to-1 mapping >> between bps and Hz, since it depends on the modulation format, fec, >> either there is an agreement on assuming best / worst case modulations >> and spectral efficiency. >> >> >> >> Hope this helps >> >> Ramon >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From li.yao3@zte.com.cn Wed 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(JST) From: "Masanori Miyazawa" To: "'Acee Lindem'" References: <4D336515-2D98-4DA7-8D58-28ED03C3854B@ericsson.com> <025501cd0775$11f2b820$35d82860$@jp> <051F9BE0-8E97-4F5C-A859-F9F5809474D4@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <051F9BE0-8E97-4F5C-A859-F9F5809474D4@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:37:42 +0900 Message-ID: <006d01cd1320$82ff67f0$88fe37d0$@kddilabs.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac0NADMKLs36/4zSQKSGCxBKc+az5AGG7LHw Content-Language: ja Cc: 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] 2nd WG last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:37:48 -0000 Hi, Acee Thank you for your comments. I modified the definition of the bandwidth based on your comments. In order to use the Float32TC, the Float32TC is imported in this mib, the syntax of the objects related to TE bandwidth is defined as Float32TC. Would that be right? -----example----------- tedMaxBandwidth OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX Float32TC UNITS "bit per seconds" MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "This indicates the maximum bandwidth that can be used on this link in this direction." REFERENCE " Traffic Engineering (TE) Extensions to OSPF Version 2, [RFC 3630], 2.5.6" ::= { tedEntry 14 } Regards, Masanori -----Original Message----- From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee.lindem@ericsson.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 1:31 AM To: Masanori Miyazawa Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] 2nd WG last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib Hi Masanori, See one comment inline. Hopefully, the message quoting won't be lost. On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Masanori Miyazawa wrote: > Acee, > > Please see our answer to your comments as below and let us know if you > have any question. > > Regards, > Masanori > >> 1. Many of the textual conventions are longer than they need to be. > While >> ISIS is, in general, more verbose than OSPF, you most of the textual >> conventions are longer than they need to be. >> >> >> TedAreaIdTC - This is 32 octets while I the longest ISIS > address >> is 20 octets. For OSPF, the Area ID is 4 octets. >> TedRouterIDTC - This is 32 octets while the OSPF router ID >> is >> 4 octets and the ISIS system ID is 6 octets. >> >> This really doesn't cause any problems but I think it needs to >> be addressed. > > I modified the lengths of the textual convention. > > ----------- > TedAreaIdTC ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "The area identifier of the IGP. If OSPF is used to advertise > LSA, this represents an ospfArea. If ISIS is used, this represents an > area address." > SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE (0..20)) > > TedRouterIdTC ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " The router identifier. If OSPF is used to advertise LSA, > this represents a Router ID. If ISIS is used, this represents a System ID." > SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE (0..6)) Looks good. > -------------- > >> 2. Bandwidth values - All the bandwidth values are represented as >> bytes per second with an Unsigned32 range. However, RFC 3630 >> represents these values sing an IEEE floating point value. >> Additionally, this > representation >> results in a maximum bandwidth value of 32Gbps (without error correct). >> I think this may soon become much too low (if not already). > > As you mentioned, the definitions of the bandwidth value were wrong. > In order to support RFC3630, I think that Syntax should be modified to > OCTET STRING. The below is a example of the modification. > What do you think about the modification? > > ---example of tedMaxBandwidth--- > > tedMaxBandwidth OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE(4)) > UNITS "bit per seconds" > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "This indicates the maximum bandwidth that can be used on this > link in this direction." > REFERENCE > " Traffic Engineering (TE) Extensions to OSPF Version 2, [RFC 3630], > 2.5.6" > ::= { tedEntry 14 } I always thought this was a real pain that IEEE floating point values were used for TE bandwidth. Aren't these semantics consistent across TE bandwidth values? They are consistent in RFC 3630 and RFC 3784. Why not Float32TC from RFC 6340 rather than OCTET STRING(SIZE)4))? Float32TC ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION STATUS current DESCRIPTION "This type represents a 32-bit (4-octet) IEEE floating-point number in binary interchange format." REFERENCE "IEEE Standard for Floating-Point Arithmetic, Standard 754-2008" SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE(4)) > ---------------- > >> 3. For the TED table, please move tedLocalRouterID and > TedRemoteRouterID >> so the items constituting the index are in the beginning of the TED entry. > > These indexes were displaced forward. Would that be right? > > ------- > tedEntry OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX TedEntry > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "This entry contains TED information commonly utilized in both MPLS > and GMPLS." > INDEX { tedLocalRouterId, tedRemoteRouterId, > tedLinkInformationSource, tedLinkIndex } This is correct in draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-11.txt. > >> 4. For tedSrlgIndex, should there be a reference another RFC? > > I added RFC4203 in tedSrlg as a reference. > > ------- > tedSrlgIndex OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Unsigned32(1..255) > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "This index is utilized to identify multiple SRLG values on a > local or remote TE link. This object represents an arbitrary value > which is locally defined in a router". > REFERENCE > " OSPF Extensions in support of GMPLS, [RFC4203], 1.3 " > > ::= { tedSrlgEntry 1 } > ------- Ok. > > >> 5. Section 11 is missing one of the key reviewers ;^). > My sincere apologies for missing you as a reviewer. We appreciate very > much the support from you. Thanks, Acee > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of Acee Lindem >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:50 AM >> To: CCAMP >> Subject: [CCAMP] 2nd WG last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib >> >> Hey Masanori, Tomohiro, and Tom, >> >> Lou asked me to take another look at this draft and I have some > significant >> comments/questions. >> >> >> 1. Many of the textual conventions are longer than they need to be. > While >> ISIS is, in general, more verbose than OSPF, you most of the textual >> conventions are longer than they need to be. >> >> >> TedAreaIdTC - This is 32 octets while I the longest ISIS > address >> is 20 octets. For OSPF, the Area ID is 4 octets. >> TedRouterIDTC - This is 32 octets while the OSPF router ID >> is >> 4 octets and the ISIS system ID is 6 octets. >> >> This really doesn't cause any problems but I think it needs to >> be addressed. >> >> >> 2. Bandwidth values - All the bandwidth values are represented as >> bytes per second with an Unsigned32 range. However, RFC 3630 >> represents these values sing an IEEE floating point value. >> Additionally, this > representation >> results in a maximum bandwidth value of 32Gbps (without error correct). >> I think this may soon become much too low (if not already). >> >> >> 3. For the TED table, please move tedLocalRouterID and > TedRemoteRouterID >> so the items constituting the index are in the beginning of the TED entry. >> >> 4. For tedSrlgIndex, should there be a reference another RFC? >> >> 5. Section 11 is missing one of the key reviewers ;^). >> >> >> Thanks, >> Acee > From acee.lindem@ericsson.com Thu Apr 5 05:42:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976E921F8748 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 05:42:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, FF_IHOPE_YOU_SINK=2.166, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yfg-aMnLiOiW for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 05:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr3.ericy.com (imr3.ericy.com [198.24.6.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EA121F8746 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 05:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0712.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.181]) by imr3.ericy.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q35CdN7c029590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:42:05 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.83]) by eusaamw0712.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.181]) with mapi; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:42:00 -0400 From: Acee Lindem To: Masanori Miyazawa Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:39:54 -0400 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] 2nd WG last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib Thread-Index: Ac0TKX5tJI60m2jfRvKI5RsC6UpXxw== Message-ID: References: <4D336515-2D98-4DA7-8D58-28ED03C3854B@ericsson.com> <025501cd0775$11f2b820$35d82860$@jp> <051F9BE0-8E97-4F5C-A859-F9F5809474D4@ericsson.com> <006d01cd1320$82ff67f0$88fe37d0$@kddilabs.jp> In-Reply-To: <006d01cd1320$82ff67f0$88fe37d0$@kddilabs.jp> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] 2nd WG last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 12:42:07 -0000 Hi Masanori,=20 Yes - I believe this is correct. You also need to add it to the MIB imports= : Acee-Lindems-iMac-2:Desktop ealflin$ diff -c draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib= -11.txt.orig draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-11.txt *** draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-11.txt.orig 2012-04-05 08:36:53.00000000= 0 -0400 --- draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-11.txt 2012-04-05 08:38:13.000000000 -04= 00 *************** *** 352,357 **** --- 352,359 ---- FROM IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB -- RFC4802=20 InetAddress, InetAddressType=20 FROM INET-ADDRESS-MIB -- [RFC4001]=20 + Float32TC + FROM FLOAT-TC-MIB -- [RFC6340]=20 ;=20 =20 tedMIB MODULE-IDENTITY Thomas Nadeau is the expert so you should also pass it by him.=20 I don't have any more comments on this MIB and believe it is ready for adva= ncement.=20 Thanks, Acee =20 On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Masanori Miyazawa wrote: > Hi, Acee >=20 > Thank you for your comments. >=20 > I modified the definition of the bandwidth based on your comments.=20 > In order to use the Float32TC, the Float32TC is imported in this mib, the > syntax of the objects related to TE bandwidth is defined as Float32TC. > Would that be right? >=20 > -----example----------- > tedMaxBandwidth OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Float32TC > UNITS "bit per seconds" > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "This indicates the maximum bandwidth that can be used on this link = in > this direction." > REFERENCE > " Traffic Engineering (TE) Extensions to OSPF Version 2, [RFC > 3630], 2.5.6" > ::=3D { tedEntry 14 } >=20 > Regards, > Masanori >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee.lindem@ericsson.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 1:31 AM > To: Masanori Miyazawa > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] 2nd WG last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib >=20 > Hi Masanori,=20 >=20 > See one comment inline. Hopefully, the message quoting won't be lost.=20 >=20 > On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Masanori Miyazawa wrote: >=20 >> Acee, >>=20 >> Please see our answer to your comments as below and let us know if you=20 >> have any question. >>=20 >> Regards, >> Masanori >>=20 >>> 1. Many of the textual conventions are longer than they need to be. >> While >>> ISIS is, in general, more verbose than OSPF, you most of the textual=20 >>> conventions are longer than they need to be. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> TedAreaIdTC - This is 32 octets while I the longest ISIS >> address >>> is 20 octets. For OSPF, the Area ID is 4 octets. >>> TedRouterIDTC - This is 32 octets while the OSPF router ID=20 >>> is >>> 4 octets and the ISIS system ID is 6 octets. >>>=20 >>> This really doesn't cause any problems but I think it needs to=20 >>> be addressed. >>=20 >> I modified the lengths of the textual convention. >>=20 >> ----------- >> TedAreaIdTC ::=3D TEXTUAL-CONVENTION >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> "The area identifier of the IGP. If OSPF is used to advertise=20 >> LSA, this represents an ospfArea. If ISIS is used, this represents an=20 >> area address." >> SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE (0..20)) >>=20 >> TedRouterIdTC ::=3D TEXTUAL-CONVENTION >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> " The router identifier. If OSPF is used to advertise LSA,=20 >> this represents a Router ID. If ISIS is used, this represents a System > ID." >> SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE (0..6)) >=20 > Looks good.=20 >=20 >> -------------- >>=20 >>> 2. Bandwidth values - All the bandwidth values are represented as=20 >>> bytes per second with an Unsigned32 range. However, RFC 3630=20 >>> represents these values sing an IEEE floating point value.=20 >>> Additionally, this >> representation >>> results in a maximum bandwidth value of 32Gbps (without error correct). >>> I think this may soon become much too low (if not already). >>=20 >> As you mentioned, the definitions of the bandwidth value were wrong.=20 >> In order to support RFC3630, I think that Syntax should be modified to=20 >> OCTET STRING. The below is a example of the modification. >> What do you think about the modification? >>=20 >> ---example of tedMaxBandwidth--- >>=20 >> tedMaxBandwidth OBJECT-TYPE >> SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE(4)) >> UNITS "bit per seconds" >> MAX-ACCESS read-only >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> "This indicates the maximum bandwidth that can be used on this=20 >> link in this direction." >> REFERENCE >> " Traffic Engineering (TE) Extensions to OSPF Version 2, [RFC > 3630],=20 >> 2.5.6" >> ::=3D { tedEntry 14 } >=20 > I always thought this was a real pain that IEEE floating point values wer= e > used for TE bandwidth. Aren't these semantics consistent across TE bandwi= dth > values?=20 > They are consistent in RFC 3630 and RFC 3784. Why not Float32TC from RFC > 6340 rather than OCTET STRING(SIZE)4))? >=20 > Float32TC ::=3D TEXTUAL-CONVENTION > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION "This type represents a 32-bit (4-octet) IEEE > floating-point number in binary interchange format." > REFERENCE "IEEE Standard for Floating-Point Arithmetic, > Standard 754-2008" > SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE(4)) >=20 >=20 >=20 >> ---------------- >>=20 >>> 3. For the TED table, please move tedLocalRouterID and >> TedRemoteRouterID >>> so the items constituting the index are in the beginning of the TED > entry. >>=20 >> These indexes were displaced forward. Would that be right? >>=20 >> ------- >> tedEntry OBJECT-TYPE >> SYNTAX TedEntry >> MAX-ACCESS not-accessible >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> "This entry contains TED information commonly utilized in both MPLS=20 >> and GMPLS." >> INDEX { tedLocalRouterId, tedRemoteRouterId,=20 >> tedLinkInformationSource, tedLinkIndex } >=20 > This is correct in draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-11.txt.=20 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >>> 4. For tedSrlgIndex, should there be a reference another RFC? >>=20 >> I added RFC4203 in tedSrlg as a reference. >>=20 >> ------- >> tedSrlgIndex OBJECT-TYPE >> SYNTAX Unsigned32(1..255) >> MAX-ACCESS not-accessible >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> "This index is utilized to identify multiple SRLG values on a=20 >> local or remote TE link. This object represents an arbitrary value=20 >> which is locally defined in a router". >> REFERENCE >> " OSPF Extensions in support of GMPLS, [RFC4203], 1.3 " >>=20 >> ::=3D { tedSrlgEntry 1 } >> ------- >=20 > Ok.=20 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> 5. Section 11 is missing one of the key reviewers ;^). >> My sincere apologies for missing you as a reviewer. We appreciate very=20 >> much the support from you. >=20 > Thanks, > Acee >=20 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On=20 >>> Behalf Of Acee Lindem >>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:50 AM >>> To: CCAMP >>> Subject: [CCAMP] 2nd WG last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib >>>=20 >>> Hey Masanori, Tomohiro, and Tom, >>>=20 >>> Lou asked me to take another look at this draft and I have some >> significant >>> comments/questions. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> 1. Many of the textual conventions are longer than they need to be. >> While >>> ISIS is, in general, more verbose than OSPF, you most of the textual=20 >>> conventions are longer than they need to be. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> TedAreaIdTC - This is 32 octets while I the longest ISIS >> address >>> is 20 octets. For OSPF, the Area ID is 4 octets. >>> TedRouterIDTC - This is 32 octets while the OSPF router ID=20 >>> is >>> 4 octets and the ISIS system ID is 6 octets. >>>=20 >>> This really doesn't cause any problems but I think it needs to=20 >>> be addressed. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> 2. Bandwidth values - All the bandwidth values are represented as=20 >>> bytes per second with an Unsigned32 range. However, RFC 3630=20 >>> represents these values sing an IEEE floating point value.=20 >>> Additionally, this >> representation >>> results in a maximum bandwidth value of 32Gbps (without error correct). >>> I think this may soon become much too low (if not already). >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> 3. For the TED table, please move tedLocalRouterID and >> TedRemoteRouterID >>> so the items constituting the index are in the beginning of the TED > entry. >>>=20 >>> 4. For tedSrlgIndex, should there be a reference another RFC? >>>=20 >>> 5. Section 11 is missing one of the key reviewers ;^). >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >>=20 >=20 From ma-miyazawa@kddilabs.jp Thu Apr 5 22:41:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8249121F856D for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 22:41:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.433 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.433 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FF_IHOPE_YOU_SINK=2.166] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t3advn4uA0tz for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 22:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp (mandala.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:12::16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1388C21F853D for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 22:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FD31748124; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:41:40 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddilabs.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4alwU2odNu76; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:41:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (yellow.lan.kddilabs.jp [172.19.98.10]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934521748118; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:41:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from miyazawaVAIO (dhcp50.wlan.kddilabs.jp [172.19.110.50]) by mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF291E0002; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:41:39 +0900 (JST) From: "Masanori Miyazawa" To: "'Acee Lindem'" References: <4D336515-2D98-4DA7-8D58-28ED03C3854B@ericsson.com> <025501cd0775$11f2b820$35d82860$@jp> <051F9BE0-8E97-4F5C-A859-F9F5809474D4@ericsson.com> <006d01cd1320$82ff67f0$88fe37d0$@kddilabs.jp> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:41:35 +0900 Message-ID: <004001cd13b7$eddf7500$c99e5f00$@kddilabs.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJoBP1g+NeGCykkEdUj/8NgDk+U/ADLONczAlM89PMBBL8tnwKm/XL1lSESEfA= Content-Language: ja Cc: 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] 2nd WG last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 05:41:48 -0000 Acee, I appreciate your help. I will update the documents shortly. Regards, Masanori -----Original Message----- From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee.lindem@ericsson.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:40 PM To: Masanori Miyazawa Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] 2nd WG last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib Hi Masanori, Yes - I believe this is correct. You also need to add it to the MIB imports: Acee-Lindems-iMac-2:Desktop ealflin$ diff -c draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-11.txt.orig draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-11.txt *** draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-11.txt.orig 2012-04-05 08:36:53.000000000 -0400 --- draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-11.txt 2012-04-05 08:38:13.000000000 -0400 *************** *** 352,357 **** --- 352,359 ---- FROM IANA-GMPLS-TC-MIB -- RFC4802 InetAddress, InetAddressType FROM INET-ADDRESS-MIB -- [RFC4001] + Float32TC + FROM FLOAT-TC-MIB -- [RFC6340] ; tedMIB MODULE-IDENTITY Thomas Nadeau is the expert so you should also pass it by him. I don't have any more comments on this MIB and believe it is ready for advancement. Thanks, Acee On Apr 5, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Masanori Miyazawa wrote: > Hi, Acee > > Thank you for your comments. > > I modified the definition of the bandwidth based on your comments. > In order to use the Float32TC, the Float32TC is imported in this mib, > the syntax of the objects related to TE bandwidth is defined as Float32TC. > Would that be right? > > -----example----------- > tedMaxBandwidth OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX Float32TC > UNITS "bit per seconds" > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "This indicates the maximum bandwidth that can be used on this > link in this direction." > REFERENCE > " Traffic Engineering (TE) Extensions to OSPF Version 2, [RFC 3630], > 2.5.6" > ::= { tedEntry 14 } > > Regards, > Masanori > > -----Original Message----- > From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee.lindem@ericsson.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 1:31 AM > To: Masanori Miyazawa > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] 2nd WG last call on > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib > > Hi Masanori, > > See one comment inline. Hopefully, the message quoting won't be lost. > > On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Masanori Miyazawa wrote: > >> Acee, >> >> Please see our answer to your comments as below and let us know if >> you have any question. >> >> Regards, >> Masanori >> >>> 1. Many of the textual conventions are longer than they need to be. >> While >>> ISIS is, in general, more verbose than OSPF, you most of the textual >>> conventions are longer than they need to be. >>> >>> >>> TedAreaIdTC - This is 32 octets while I the longest ISIS >> address >>> is 20 octets. For OSPF, the Area ID is 4 octets. >>> TedRouterIDTC - This is 32 octets while the OSPF router ID >>> is >>> 4 octets and the ISIS system ID is 6 octets. >>> >>> This really doesn't cause any problems but I think it needs to >>> be addressed. >> >> I modified the lengths of the textual convention. >> >> ----------- >> TedAreaIdTC ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> "The area identifier of the IGP. If OSPF is used to advertise >> LSA, this represents an ospfArea. If ISIS is used, this represents an >> area address." >> SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE (0..20)) >> >> TedRouterIdTC ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> " The router identifier. If OSPF is used to advertise LSA, >> this represents a Router ID. If ISIS is used, this represents a >> System > ID." >> SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE (0..6)) > > Looks good. > >> -------------- >> >>> 2. Bandwidth values - All the bandwidth values are represented as >>> bytes per second with an Unsigned32 range. However, RFC 3630 >>> represents these values sing an IEEE floating point value. >>> Additionally, this >> representation >>> results in a maximum bandwidth value of 32Gbps (without error correct). >>> I think this may soon become much too low (if not already). >> >> As you mentioned, the definitions of the bandwidth value were wrong. >> In order to support RFC3630, I think that Syntax should be modified >> to OCTET STRING. The below is a example of the modification. >> What do you think about the modification? >> >> ---example of tedMaxBandwidth--- >> >> tedMaxBandwidth OBJECT-TYPE >> SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE(4)) >> UNITS "bit per seconds" >> MAX-ACCESS read-only >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> "This indicates the maximum bandwidth that can be used on this >> link in this direction." >> REFERENCE >> " Traffic Engineering (TE) Extensions to OSPF Version 2, [RFC > 3630], >> 2.5.6" >> ::= { tedEntry 14 } > > I always thought this was a real pain that IEEE floating point values > were used for TE bandwidth. Aren't these semantics consistent across > TE bandwidth values? > They are consistent in RFC 3630 and RFC 3784. Why not Float32TC from > RFC > 6340 rather than OCTET STRING(SIZE)4))? > > Float32TC ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION "This type represents a 32-bit (4-octet) IEEE > floating-point number in binary interchange format." > REFERENCE "IEEE Standard for Floating-Point Arithmetic, > Standard 754-2008" > SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE(4)) > > > >> ---------------- >> >>> 3. For the TED table, please move tedLocalRouterID and >> TedRemoteRouterID >>> so the items constituting the index are in the beginning of the TED > entry. >> >> These indexes were displaced forward. Would that be right? >> >> ------- >> tedEntry OBJECT-TYPE >> SYNTAX TedEntry >> MAX-ACCESS not-accessible >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> "This entry contains TED information commonly utilized in both MPLS >> and GMPLS." >> INDEX { tedLocalRouterId, tedRemoteRouterId, >> tedLinkInformationSource, tedLinkIndex } > > This is correct in draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-11.txt. > > >> >>> 4. For tedSrlgIndex, should there be a reference another RFC? >> >> I added RFC4203 in tedSrlg as a reference. >> >> ------- >> tedSrlgIndex OBJECT-TYPE >> SYNTAX Unsigned32(1..255) >> MAX-ACCESS not-accessible >> STATUS current >> DESCRIPTION >> "This index is utilized to identify multiple SRLG values on a >> local or remote TE link. This object represents an arbitrary value >> which is locally defined in a router". >> REFERENCE >> " OSPF Extensions in support of GMPLS, [RFC4203], 1.3 " >> >> ::= { tedSrlgEntry 1 } >> ------- > > Ok. > > >> >> >>> 5. Section 11 is missing one of the key reviewers ;^). >> My sincere apologies for missing you as a reviewer. We appreciate >> very much the support from you. > > Thanks, > Acee > > > >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On >>> Behalf Of Acee Lindem >>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:50 AM >>> To: CCAMP >>> Subject: [CCAMP] 2nd WG last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib >>> >>> Hey Masanori, Tomohiro, and Tom, >>> >>> Lou asked me to take another look at this draft and I have some >> significant >>> comments/questions. >>> >>> >>> 1. Many of the textual conventions are longer than they need to be. >> While >>> ISIS is, in general, more verbose than OSPF, you most of the textual >>> conventions are longer than they need to be. >>> >>> >>> TedAreaIdTC - This is 32 octets while I the longest ISIS >> address >>> is 20 octets. For OSPF, the Area ID is 4 octets. >>> TedRouterIDTC - This is 32 octets while the OSPF router ID >>> is >>> 4 octets and the ISIS system ID is 6 octets. >>> >>> This really doesn't cause any problems but I think it needs to >>> be addressed. >>> >>> >>> 2. Bandwidth values - All the bandwidth values are represented as >>> bytes per second with an Unsigned32 range. However, RFC 3630 >>> represents these values sing an IEEE floating point value. >>> Additionally, this >> representation >>> results in a maximum bandwidth value of 32Gbps (without error correct). >>> I think this may soon become much too low (if not already). >>> >>> >>> 3. For the TED table, please move tedLocalRouterID and >> TedRemoteRouterID >>> so the items constituting the index are in the beginning of the TED > entry. >>> >>> 4. For tedSrlgIndex, should there be a reference another RFC? >>> >>> 5. Section 11 is missing one of the key reviewers ;^). >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Acee >> > From lberger@labn.net Tue Apr 10 07:39:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA93321F8688 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:39:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.806 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.806 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.244, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_NETPROD=0.111, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KDhJ9YmEc9yz for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 168F921F866D for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 07:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14253 invoked by uid 0); 10 Apr 2012 14:39:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2012 14:39:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=JQspjkX6IZyC9uHuVfwC0qIR+2ucQwjylEPE3O4m0jE=; b=NFb1W4VGKqvDhptfjm1rDcA/EX37rqt+vsMiN92c31jDEAHaR2YXiKbE0YAACzkZLzJifj2uZciQaQ2X/tTZ8vr7UWs750vRAKy8kxuEEBSoc5mYIeloHuCIjTzYcb3G; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SHcEH-0006Lc-G6 for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:39:33 -0600 Message-ID: <4F844625.9050106@labn.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:39:33 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] Fwd: Call for Nominations: Applied Networking Research Prize 2012 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:39:34 -0000 FYI -------- Original Message -------- CALL FOR NOMINATIONS: APPLIED NETWORKING RESEARCH PRIZE (ANRP) 2012 http://irtf.org/anrp *** Submit nominations for the 2012 award period of the *** *** Applied Networking Research Prize until May 13, 2012! *** The Applied Networking Research Prize (ANRP) is awarded for recent results in applied networking research that are relevant for transitioning into shipping Internet products and related standardization efforts. Researchers with relevant, recently published results are encouraged to apply for this prize, which will offer them the opportunity to present and discuss their work with the engineers, network operators, policy makers and scientists that participate in the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) and its research arm, the Internet Research Task Force (IRTF). The goal of the Applied Networking Research Prize is to recognize the best new ideas in networking, and bring them to the IETF and IRTF especially in cases where they would not otherwise see much exposure or discussion. 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07:06:18 -0500 From: "Gruman, Fred" To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 comments/questions Thread-Index: Ac0X24BCOe3RNEG2Qt2U+8/YXFW9VQ== Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:06:17 +0000 Message-ID: <5DF87403A81B0C43AF3EB1626511B29204A4E48F@RCHEXMBP2.fnc.net.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [168.127.136.253] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-6.800.1017-18830.007 x-tm-as-result: No--47.573400-0.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: Yes x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5DF87403A81B0C43AF3EB1626511B29204A4E48FRCHEXMBP2fncnet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [CCAMP] draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 comments/questions X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:06:24 -0000 --_000_5DF87403A81B0C43AF3EB1626511B29204A4E48FRCHEXMBP2fncnet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Fatai, Thank you very much for your work on OTNv3 signaling and the latest update.= I have a few questions/comments regarding the latest version of this docu= ment. 1) Section 7. I believe another use case for the ADAPTATION object could be= to inform the tail-end node of the configuration of the head-end TSG setti= ng for the FA-LSP. Do you agree? 2) Section 7.1. What will be the type of class for the ADAPTATION object (0= bbbbbbb, 10bbbbbb, 11bbbbbb)? Depending on which range the class number fal= ls, there may be backwards implications when signaling across RFC4328 links= (e.g., the translation method presented in Sect 9 may not be able to suppo= rt ADAPTATION if class range is 11bbbbbb) 3) Section 7.1. Will the ADAPTATION object be carried in the Resv message, = or is it carried only in the Path message? 4) Section 7.1. If head end selects TSG=3D1 (either 1.25 or 2.5), does the = tail end need to inform the head end which TSG it selected, or does this se= tting mean the head end has the transport-plane capability to automatically= detect and fallback to 2.5G. 5) Section 7.1. How does the Hierarchy TLV indicate multiple LO-ODUs at the= same level? Is this one hierarchy TLV per LO-ODU? (The example shows that= when multiple ODUs are contained in the Hierarchy TLV that they represent = multi-stage multiplexing). 6) Section 7.1. Indicating multistage multiplexing in the Hierarchy TLV doe= s not have a way to specify the TSG for the intermediate ODU (the ODU2 in t= he example in Sect 7.1). This seems to be the same issue that resulted in t= he ADAPTATION object, server TSG TLV for the HO-ODU. 7) Section 8. Errors should be sent with PathErr (also see comment #8) Section 8 OLD: If any node along the ODUflex connection doesn't support hitless resizi= ng, a Notify message ... NEW: If any node along the ODUflex connection doesn't support hitless resizi= ng, a PathErr message ... 8) Section 8. I suggest that the procedure for handling a node that does no= t support resizing is to PathErr (with Path State Removed). The source nod= e may decide to resignal with the non-resize signal type (ST=3D22). It does= n't seem to be correct behavior to setup a ST=3D21 connection using ST=3D22= resources. 9) Section 8. Assuming that PathTear should be used to teardown the origin= al states for both bandwidth increasing and decreasing. Section 8 OLD: Similarly, after completion of bandwidth decreasing, a ResvErr message = SHOULD be sent ... NEW: Similarly, after completion of bandwidth decreasing, a PathTear message= SHOULD be sent ... 10) Section 9. This section permits the translation function, where a node = that supports the new signaling can translate the OTNv3 signaling to RFC432= 8. Is it also permissible to allow the translation from RFC4328 to OTNv3 (= i.e., is it "once we are RFC4328, we remain RFC4328 to egress" or can we tr= anslate back to OTNv3 signaling?) Thanks, Fred Fred Gruman Operations Planning +1-972-479-2477 --_000_5DF87403A81B0C43AF3EB1626511B29204A4E48FRCHEXMBP2fncnet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Fatai,

 

Thank you very much for your work on OTNv3 signal= ing and the latest update.  I have a few questions/comments regarding = the latest version of this document.

 

1) Section 7. I believe another use case for the = ADAPTATION object could be to inform the tail-end node of the configuration= of the head-end TSG setting for the FA-LSP. Do you agree?

 

2) Section 7.1. What will be the type of class fo= r the ADAPTATION object (0bbbbbbb, 10bbbbbb, 11bbbbbb)? Depending on which = range the class number falls, there may be backwards implications when sign= aling across RFC4328 links (e.g., the translation method presented in Sect 9 may not be able to support ADAP= TATION if class range is 11bbbbbb)

 

3) Section 7.1. Will the ADAPTATION object be car= ried in the Resv message, or is it carried only in the Path message?

 

4) Section 7.1. If head end selects TSG=3D1 (eith= er 1.25 or 2.5), does the tail end need to inform the head end which TSG it= selected, or does this setting mean the head end has the transport-plane c= apability to automatically detect and fallback to 2.5G.

 

5) Section 7.1. How does the Hierarchy TLV indica= te multiple LO-ODUs at the same level? Is this one hierarchy TLV per LO-ODU= ?  (The example shows that when multiple ODUs are contained in the Hie= rarchy TLV that they represent multi-stage multiplexing).

 

6) Section 7.1. Indicating multistage multiplexin= g in the Hierarchy TLV does not have a way to specify the TSG for the inter= mediate ODU (the ODU2 in the example in Sect 7.1). This seems to be the sam= e issue that resulted in the ADAPTATION object, server TSG TLV for the HO-ODU.

 

7) Section 8.  Errors should be sent with Pa= thErr (also see comment #8)

 

    Section 8

    OLD:

    If any node along the ODUflex = connection doesn't support hitless resizing, a Notify message …<= /o:p>

 

    NEW:

    If any node along the ODUflex = connection doesn't support hitless resizing, a PathErr message …=

 

8) Section 8. I suggest that the procedure for ha= ndling a node that does not support resizing is to PathErr (with Path State= Removed).  The source node may decide to resignal with the non-resize= signal type (ST=3D22). It doesn't seem to be correct behavior to setup a ST=3D21 connection using ST=3D22 resources.=

 

9) Section 8.  Assuming that PathTear should= be used to teardown the original states for both bandwidth increasing and = decreasing.

 

    Section 8

    OLD:

    Similarly, after completion of= bandwidth decreasing, a ResvErr message SHOULD be sent ...

 

    NEW:

    Similarly, after completion of= bandwidth decreasing, a PathTear message SHOULD be sent ...

 

10) Section 9. This section permits the translati= on function, where a node that supports the new signaling can translate the= OTNv3 signaling to RFC4328.  Is it also permissible to allow the tran= slation from RFC4328 to OTNv3 (i.e., is it "once we are RFC4328, we remain RFC4328 to egress" or can we = translate back to OTNv3 signaling?)

 

Thanks,

Fred

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fred Gruman

Operations Planning

+1-972-479-2477

 

--_000_5DF87403A81B0C43AF3EB1626511B29204A4E48FRCHEXMBP2fncnet_-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Apr 13 01:35:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FCF21F85BB; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.101, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EiQT8p11DrXa; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC1F21F84DE; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:35:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.00 Message-ID: <20120413083518.30450.54403.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:35:18 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-02.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:35:19 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF for Generalized M= PLS (GMPLS) Control of Evolving G.709 OTN Networks Author(s) : Daniele Ceccarelli Diego Caviglia Fatai Zhang Dan Li Sergio Belotti Pietro Vittorio Grandi Rajan Rao Khuzema Pithewan John E Drake Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-02.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2012-04-13 The recent revision of ITU-T Recommendation G.709 [G709-V3] has introduced new fixed and flexible ODU containers, enabling optimized support for an increasingly abundant service mix. This document describes OSPF routing protocol extensions to support Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) control of all currently defined ODU containers, in support of both sub-lambda and lambda level routing granularity. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-02.t= xt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-02.txt From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Fri Apr 13 01:37:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5896F21F85DD for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:37:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O76gDxlhmFsu for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw2.ericsson.se (mailgw2.ericsson.se [193.180.251.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB3F21F85D7 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:37:36 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-b7b18ae000000dce-b9-4f87e5cfd4a0 Received: from esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mailgw2.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 62.7C.03534.FC5E78F4; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:37:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0360.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.51]) by esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se ([10.2.3.53]) with mapi; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:37:35 +0200 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: CCAMP Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:37:33 +0200 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-02.txt Thread-Index: Ac0ZUHd32mB1RKIzQVSaKrKxMnMZYAAAA2aQ Message-ID: Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: it-IT, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-02.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:37:37 -0000 Hi all, Minor updates for the OTN OSPF draft: - compatibility section updated accordingly to Lou's suggestion - IANA section introduced BR The authors=20 >-----Original Message----- >From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org]=20 >On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org >Sent: venerd=EC 13 aprile 2012 10.35 >To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-02.txt > > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 >Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the=20 >Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Traffic Engineering Extensions to=20 >OSPF for Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Control of Evolving G.709=20 >OTN Networks > Author(s) : Daniele Ceccarelli > Diego Caviglia > Fatai Zhang > Dan Li > Sergio Belotti > Pietro Vittorio Grandi > Rajan Rao > Khuzema Pithewan > John E Drake > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-02.txt > Pages : 31 > Date : 2012-04-13 > > The recent revision of ITU-T Recommendation G.709 [G709-V3] has > introduced new fixed and flexible ODU containers, enabling optimized > support for an increasingly abundant service mix. > > This document describes OSPF routing protocol extensions to support > Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) control of all currently defined ODU > containers, in support of both sub-lambda and lambda level routing > granularity. > > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf 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Hi F= red,

 

Than= ks for your comments.

 

Plea= se see in-line below.

 

 

 

 

Thanks
 
Fatai

 

From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org= ] On Behalf Of Gruman, Fred
Sent: 2012=C4=EA4=D4=C211=C8= =D5 20:06
To: ccamp@ietf.org
Subject: [CCAMP] draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 comments= /questions

 

Hello Fatai,

 

Thank you very much for your= work on OTNv3 signaling and the latest update.  I have a few question= s/comments regarding the latest version of this document.=

 

1= )  Section 7. I believe an= other use case for the ADAPTATION object could be to inform the tail-end no= de of the configuration of the head-end TSG setting for the FA-LSP. Do you = agree?

 

[Fatai]= It is not necessary to do that. There are two cases to make things clear. = Case 1: If the head-end need one specific TSG and the tail-end can support that TSG, the FA-LSP will be created successfully, otherwise, = it will refuse the setup. Case 2: If the head-end does not care about the T= SG(either 1.25 or 2.5), the data plane can handle the fall-back procedures.

 

2) Section 7.1. What will be= the type of class for the ADAPTATION object (0bbbbbbb, 10bbbbbb, 11bbbbbb)= ? Depending on which range the class number falls, there may be backwards i= mplications when signaling across RFC4328 links (e.g., the translation method presented in Sect 9 may not be able to= support ADAPTATION if class range is 11bbbbbb)

 

[Fatai]= The safe way is to make the type as 0bbbbbb, otherwise, an FA-LSP may be c= reated, but it is not the expected one.

 

3) Section 7.1. Will the ADA= PTATION object be carried in the Resv message, or is it carried only in the= Path message?

&n= bsp;

[Fatai]= Only carried in the Path message. It can be carried in the Resv message, b= ut it seems that it is redundant.  See Point 1) above.

 

 

4) Section 7.1. If head end = selects TSG=3D1 (either 1.25 or 2.5), does the tail end need to inform the = head end which TSG it selected, or does this setting mean the head end has = the transport-plane capability to automatically detect and fallback to 2.5G.

 

[Fatai]= It means the head end has data-plane fallback capability. See Point 1) abo= ve.

 

5) Section 7.1. How does the= Hierarchy TLV indicate multiple LO-ODUs at the same level? Is this one hie= rarchy TLV per LO-ODU?  (The example shows that when multiple ODUs are= contained in the Hierarchy TLV that they represent multi-stage multiplexing).

&n= bsp;

[Fatai]= Yes. This is one hierarchy TLV per Lo-ODU.

 

6) Section 7.1. Indicating m= ultistage multiplexing in the Hierarchy TLV does not have a way to specify = the TSG for the intermediate ODU (the ODU2 in the example in Sect 7.1). Thi= s seems to be the same issue that resulted in the ADAPTATION object, server TSG TLV for the HO-ODU.=

 

[Fatai]= Good capture. We discussed this issue when we update this version. We thin= k there is no need to specify the TSG for the intermediate ODU. For example, when an ODU 3 FA-LSP is to be created, it only needs to = specify which TSG needs to be exported towards his own clients, not the TSG= per layer.

 

7) Section 8.  Errors s= hould be sent with PathErr (also see comment #8)

 

    Section 8=

    OLD:=

    If any no= de along the ODUflex connection doesn't support hitless resizing, a Notify = message =A1=AD

 

    NEW:=

    If any no= de along the ODUflex connection doesn't support hitless resizing, a PathErr= message =A1=AD

 

[Fatai]= Good capture. Need to be updated.

 

8) Section 8. I suggest that= the procedure for handling a node that does not support resizing is to Pat= hErr (with Path State Removed).  The source node may decide to resigna= l with the non-resize signal type (ST=3D22). It doesn't seem to be correct behavior to setup a ST=3D21 connection using= ST=3D22 resources.

 

9) Section 8.  Assuming= that PathTear should be used to teardown the original states for both band= width increasing and decreasing.

 

    Section 8=

    OLD:=

    Similarly= , after completion of bandwidth decreasing, a ResvErr message SHOULD be sen= t ...

 

    NEW:=

    Similarly= , after completion of bandwidth decreasing, a PathTear message SHOULD be se= nt ...

 

[Fatai]= Agree. Need to be updated.

 

10) Section 9. This section = permits the translation function, where a node that supports the new signal= ing can translate the OTNv3 signaling to RFC4328.  Is it also permissi= ble to allow the translation from RFC4328 to OTNv3 (i.e., is it "once we are RFC4328, we remain RFC4328 to egre= ss" or can we translate back to OTNv3 signaling?)

 

[Fatai]= Good capture. Your point makes sense. Need to be updated as what you sugge= sted.

new----= new (translation point)----old------old, in this case, for the Path directi= on, it needs to do the translation from OTNv3 to RFC4328, but from the RESV direction, it is better to have the translation from RFC= 4328 to OTNv3 to make PSB/RSB consistent.

&n= bsp;

 

 

Thanks,

Fred

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fred Gruman

Operations Planning<= /span>

+1-972-479-2477<= /span>

 

--_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF82CBF0082SZXEML520MBSchi_-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Apr 13 06:05:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2D121F85DB; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:05:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.486 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.486 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.113, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TDzAPIDi56QG; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1599921F85D3; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:05:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.00 Message-ID: <20120413130501.27906.59013.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:05:01 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-08.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:05:02 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Configuration of Pro-Active Operations, Administration, = and Maintenance (OAM) Functions for MPLS-based Transport Networks using RSV= P-TE Author(s) : Elisa Bellagamba Loa Andersson Pontus Skoldstrom Dave Ward Attila Takacs Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-08.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2012-04-13 This specification describes the configuration of pro-active MPLS-TP Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) Functions for a given LSP using a set of TLVs that are carried by the RSVP-TE protocol. This document is a product of a joint Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) / International Telecommunication Union Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T) effort to include an MPLS Transport Profile within the IETF MPLS and PWE3 architectures to support the capabilities and functionalities of a packet transport network. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ex= t-08.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext= -08.txt From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Apr 13 17:24:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CCB11E80E0; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:24:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v0-kJnzyC2HM; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E32811E80AA; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:24:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.00 Message-ID: <20120414002417.13249.58136.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:24:17 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:24:18 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Traffic Engineering Database Management Information Base= in support of MPLS-TE/GMPLS Author(s) : Masanori Miyazawa Tomohiro Otani Kenji Kumaki Thomas D. Nadeau Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2012-04-13 This memo defines the Management Information Base (MIB) objects in order to manage traffic engineering database (TED) information with extension in support of Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) with traffic engineering (TE) as well as Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) for use with network management protocols. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt From acee.lindem@ericsson.com Sat Apr 14 12:08:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15E121F84E2 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.288, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DP8OBu-HSva5 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr3.ericy.com (imr3.ericy.com [198.24.6.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7A421F84A7 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0707.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.32]) by imr3.ericy.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q3EJ8ILU028252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:08:18 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.83]) by eusaamw0707.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.32]) with mapi; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:08:17 -0400 From: Acee Lindem To: CCAMP Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:08:17 -0400 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt Thread-Index: Ac0acfNOpEMNfdO7SviU2yyDviH/ng== Message-ID: <0AFCAE2C-9E4F-4E81-82A2-B13E9C27E843@ericsson.com> References: <20120414002417.13249.58136.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120414002417.13249.58136.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:08:19 -0000 Hi Masanori, et al,=20 As we discussed offline, this version addresses all my comments.=20 Thanks, Acee On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:24 PM, wrote: >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plan= e Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Traffic Engineering Database Management Information Ba= se in support of MPLS-TE/GMPLS > Author(s) : Masanori Miyazawa > Tomohiro Otani > Kenji Kumaki > Thomas D. Nadeau > Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt > Pages : 32 > Date : 2012-04-13 >=20 > This memo defines the Management Information Base (MIB) objects in > order to manage traffic engineering database (TED) information with > extension in support of Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) with > traffic engineering (TE) as well as Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) for use > with network management protocols. >=20 >=20 >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From lberger@labn.net Mon Apr 16 07:55:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B7C11E8076 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:55:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.054 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.054 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.752, BAYES_20=-0.74, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pMZnJcLDOYlj for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BFF911E8072 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 07:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11801 invoked by uid 0); 16 Apr 2012 14:55:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2012 14:55:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=22KnRf1Xrt1IMV0lMA9fA+QEPD918/o1J+gloTui00Y=; b=Y36gYuG40WjTbiLf01PJyNqeA1oAiO68ltw434hBWE1UMrnxbFNLex+2gaUwT59ScmarKdWy2CVdSZC3UmGlcAyBX1GVBGaCPrwFxHhgjRZzJIPZiqOhCKMAkN5LP4EM; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SJnL9-0000Lh-Nk; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:55:39 -0600 Message-ID: <4F8C32EE.2030105@labn.net> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:55:42 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:55:43 -0000 Authors, This message is a follow on to the discussion that we started to have in Paris on the ADAPTATION Object. I have two comments, the second of which I didn't have time (during the presentation time period) to make: 1) Can you explain/justify why you are proposing carrying a subset of the Payload type code points defined in G.709 (see Table 15-8) in the ADAPTATION Object, but not others? I'm not questioning the need for an end-to-end adaptation check, but rather an apparent incomplete method for supporting this check. 2) Given the very limited number of remaining RSVP c-type values, I'm struggling with justifying the definition of the new, perhaps not very generic, ADAPTATION Object rather than carrying this information in an existing (and more generic) object. Have you considered carrying this information elsewhere, e.g., LSP attributes, and if so what's your thinking for not using such? Lou (As WG participant) From ramon.casellas@cttc.es Mon Apr 16 23:49:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC6C21F85B4 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:49:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RlCPAQAUVs0v for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from navarro.puc.rediris.es (unknown [IPv6:2001:720:418:ca01::131]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E48421F85AA for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [84.88.62.208] (helo=leo) by navarro.puc.rediris.es with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SK2Fh-0003h4-Lk for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:51:01 +0200 Received: from [84.88.61.50] (unknown [84.88.61.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by leo (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BFD122010A for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:48:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Envelope-From: ramon.casellas@cttc.es Message-ID: <4F8D1258.5000501@cttc.es> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:48:56 +0200 From: Ramon Casellas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp@ietf.org References: <20120414002417.13249.58136.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0AFCAE2C-9E4F-4E81-82A2-B13E9C27E843@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <0AFCAE2C-9E4F-4E81-82A2-B13E9C27E843@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.4 (leo [0.0.0.0]); Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:48:54 +0200 (CEST) X-SPF-Received: 4 X-Spamina-Bogosity: Ham Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:49:04 -0000 El 14/04/2012 21:08, Acee Lindem escribió: > As we discussed offline, this version addresses all my comments. > Acee Acee, authors, all, Just a minor comment, shouldn't bandwidth values be in bytes per second (units) or I missed something ? (UNITS "Bit per seconds" ) Thanks, R. From ma-miyazawa@kddilabs.jp Tue Apr 17 02:03:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85F721F858E for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:03:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.083, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0OIUQdBOPZzN for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp (mandala.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:12::16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C7821F8592 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC2B17480B3; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:03:11 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddilabs.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fEltXGGAKqth; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:03:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (yellow.lan.kddilabs.jp [172.19.98.10]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B07417481A7; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:01:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from miyazawaVAIO (unknown [172.19.64.90]) by mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91431E0002; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:01:51 +0900 (JST) From: "Masanori Miyazawa" To: "'Ramon Casellas'" , References: <20120414002417.13249.58136.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0AFCAE2C-9E4F-4E81-82A2-B13E9C27E843@ericsson.com> <4F8D1258.5000501@cttc.es> In-Reply-To: <4F8D1258.5000501@cttc.es> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:01:49 +0900 Message-ID: <007c01cd1c78$ba379330$2ea6b990$@kddilabs.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQH1PIOwJEKglEOjaylgGNVvGYf79QIoFEG0AhQfmDWWLJL78A== Content-Language: ja Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:03:23 -0000 Hi, Ramon Thank you for your comment on this document. As you mentioned, OSPF and ISIS (RFC 3630 and 5307) define byte per = second (not bit). If there is no problem, we will modify the definition of UNIT from bit = per second to byte per second. =20 Any other comments about it? Regards, Masanori -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Ramon Casellas Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:49 PM To: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt El 14/04/2012 21:08, Acee Lindem escribi=F3: > As we discussed offline, this version addresses all my comments. > Acee Acee, authors, all, Just a minor comment, shouldn't bandwidth values be in bytes per second=20 (units) or I missed something ? (UNITS "Bit per seconds" ) Thanks, R. _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From zhangfatai@huawei.com Tue Apr 17 02:36:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5895021F8629 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:36:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.402, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UyUZU761Ucii for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267A321F8576 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AFH16132; 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bh=3KylKaZKd6ThqF7RKsaI0V9eFlPHnO/rZE1kYsovUYY=; b=kT5e7idilyaxTELrbHoO4X7qHEdfAYjeHoIFfq8cIZ1Lb+tcXhvNWcMTMkXNRyBSPuAGnsBZ1fqVlsx8dV0QLxyD8in9xdqwv+y2/hKoc11+uVlmLz4bDFAGa1dgjX9C; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SK6tU-0007Ti-1A; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:48:24 -0600 Message-ID: <4F8D588B.7010408@labn.net> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:48:27 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fatai Zhang References: <4F8C32EE.2030105@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:48:31 -0000 Fatai, See below. On 4/17/2012 5:34 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Great points. > > For point 1, the Adaption object in this draft is used to carry only > OTN specific information that is needed to create an ODU FA-LSP to > carry one specific ODU signal, Well I can see this for Type 2 (Hierarchy signaling), but for FA/H-LSP + Type 1 (Server TSG signaling) it seems that the same could be done with G-PID. If you disagree, what do you expect to carry in G-PID in the ODU H-LSP case? > but the other payload types (ie. other > information in the table 15-8) should be still carried in G-PID as > defined in RFC3471. So what does it mean in a type 2 TLV to have a "non OTN signal types" and GFP mappings? It seems that these both cover cases beyond ODU H-LSPs, am I wrong? Lou > > For point 2, good suggestion. I just checked RFC4420, I agree with > you that it is better to put this information in LSP attributes, > which is used to signal attributes required in support of an LSP, > or to indicate the nature or use of an LSP where that information is > not required to be acted on by all transit LSRs. > > > > > Thanks > > Fatai > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: 2012å¹´4月16æ—¥ 22:56 > To: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 > > Authors, > > This message is a follow on to the discussion that we started to have in > Paris on the ADAPTATION Object. I have two comments, the second of > which I didn't have time (during the presentation time period) to make: > > 1) Can you explain/justify why you are proposing carrying a subset of > the Payload type code points defined in G.709 (see Table 15-8) in the > ADAPTATION Object, but not others? > > I'm not questioning the need for an end-to-end adaptation check, but > rather an apparent incomplete method for supporting this check. > > 2) Given the very limited number of remaining RSVP c-type values, I'm > struggling with justifying the definition of the new, perhaps not very > generic, ADAPTATION Object rather than carrying this information in an > existing (and more generic) object. Have you considered carrying this > information elsewhere, e.g., LSP attributes, and if so what's your > thinking for not using such? > > Lou (As WG participant) > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From jie.dong@huawei.com Tue Apr 17 05:06:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2275F21F8592 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:06:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VhGikGYb5zyP for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951DF21F84DD for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AEZ23866; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.102) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:05:31 -0700 Received: from SZXEML440-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.72.61.75) by dfweml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.102) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:05:30 -0700 Received: from SZXEML504-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.151]) by SZXEML440-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.72.61.75]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:05:26 +0800 From: Jie Dong To: Lou Berger Thread-Topic: Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb Thread-Index: Ac0ckl8joJ1dzj6OQwOOwZ4Zt33pMg== Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:05:27 +0000 Message-ID: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A74EF@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.4.61] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: [CCAMP] Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:06:54 -0000 Hi Lou,=20 Thanks a lot for your helpful comments during the ccamp session in Paris. I= 've checked the existing mechanisms you mentioned, and would like to have s= ome discussion about them. 1. Testing mode and Lock Instruct The testing (T) bit in ADMIN_STATUS object is defined in RFC3471. At a glan= ce this may provide the similar function as Lock Instruction (LI) required,= though I did not find specific description about the use of test mode. Thu= s I'm not quite sure whether there are some differences between test mode a= nd lock instruct, could you shed some light on this? If they are the same, = we could revise the draft to say that LI could be provided by the existing = T bit, and focus on the extensions for loopback. 2. Notify message or ERO/SERO for sending request to target node Section 4.3 of RFC3473 says:=20 " The Notify message differs from the currently defined error messages (i.e= ., PathErr and ResvErr messages) in that it can be "targeted" to a node oth= er than the immediate upstream or downstream neighbor and that it is a gene= ralized notification mechanism ... The Notify message may be sent either (a= ) normally, where non-target nodes just forward the Notify message to the t= arget node, similar to ResvConf processing in [RFC2205]; or (b) encapsulate= d in a new IP header whose destination is equal to the target IP address." This capability of sending notification to a targeted node is what Loopback= needs. And then we followed the mechanism defined in RFC4974 for calls. Th= e extension needed is a new flag in ADMIN_STATUS object. In my understanding, ERO/SERO could achieve identification and configuratio= n of a targeted node, by defining new ERO subobjects. For Loopback such ext= ension may be more significant than just defining a new flag in an existing= object. But if a new subobject is to be defined for several related functi= ons, this may be an interesting topic to have further discussions. Best regards, Jie From lberger@labn.net Tue Apr 17 06:05:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7261A21F8587 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:05:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.84 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.84 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.321, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NiRmwSHkRRBN for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BC7ED21F851B for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17116 invoked by uid 0); 17 Apr 2012 13:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2012 13:05:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Eu2gvxyzWeBUNTHMvwocb9JMhxE7eN0QZ3kliPEibSs=; b=dEq+d4B6V2Ogg+SO5qfPQ1r+NohYB7VwZGso1La0zJO1Z9FQDuJUet6lokKjItGZ7E7ycWY4d6/Xtyx6KoXAPKDkexRWNCtIWkEraaUjbcjb0p5W3GTzYUDF8jBcuqIT; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SK86J-0000Hd-5t; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:05:43 -0600 Message-ID: <4F8D6AAA.2000703@labn.net> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:05:46 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jie Dong References: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A74EF@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A74EF@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:05:56 -0000 Jie, Please see below. On 4/17/2012 8:05 AM, Jie Dong wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Thanks a lot for your helpful comments during the ccamp session in > Paris. I've checked the existing mechanisms you mentioned, and would > like to have some discussion about them. > > 1. Testing mode and Lock Instruct > > The testing (T) bit in ADMIN_STATUS object is defined in RFC3471. At > a glance this may provide the similar function as Lock Instruction > (LI) required, though I did not find specific description about the > use of test mode. Thus I'm not quite sure whether there are some > differences between test mode and lock instruct, could you shed some > light on this? If they are the same, we could revise the draft to say > that LI could be provided by the existing T bit, and focus on the > extensions for loopback. I think you may have missed my reference. Take a look at section 13 of RFC 4872. I suspect you'll find the flags defined there to be a better match. > > 2. Notify message or ERO/SERO for sending request to target node > > Section 4.3 of RFC3473 says: " The Notify message differs from the > currently defined error messages (i.e., PathErr and ResvErr messages) > in that it can be "targeted" to a node other than the immediate > upstream or downstream neighbor and that it is a generalized > notification mechanism ... The Notify message may be sent either (a) > normally, where non-target nodes just forward the Notify message to > the target node, similar to ResvConf processing in [RFC2205]; or (b) > encapsulated in a new IP header whose destination is equal to the > target IP address." > > This capability of sending notification to a targeted node is what > Loopback needs. And then we followed the mechanism defined in RFC4974 > for calls. The extension needed is a new flag in ADMIN_STATUS > object. > > In my understanding, ERO/SERO could achieve identification and > configuration of a targeted node, by defining new ERO subobjects. For > Loopback such extension may be more significant than just defining a > new flag in an existing object. But if a new subobject is to be > defined for several related functions, this may be an interesting > topic to have further discussions. I believe that Cyril said he'd take a pass at such a document (somewhat based on/similar to draft-kern-ccamp-rsvpte-hop-attributes-00). Why don't we wait and see what comes of that before discussing this further. Lou > > Best regards, > Jie From acee.lindem@ericsson.com Tue Apr 17 08:10:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D987411E80BB for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:10:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.383 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.383 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.216, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fTarHX2IBtbC for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44AF11E80AE for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id q3HFAcVJ032343; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:10:39 -0500 Received: from EUSAACMS0702.eamcs.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.242]) by eusaamw0706.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.31]) with mapi; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:10:32 -0400 From: Acee Lindem To: Masanori Miyazawa Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:10:30 -0400 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt Thread-Index: Ac0crDtSsAzPS7Z+TI2D3fF84Wkm0A== Message-ID: <1E4CFF92-AE96-4FCE-9F39-A9B5A237A16A@ericsson.com> References: <20120414002417.13249.58136.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <0AFCAE2C-9E4F-4E81-82A2-B13E9C27E843@ericsson.com> <4F8D1258.5000501@cttc.es> <007c01cd1c78$ba379330$2ea6b990$@kddilabs.jp> In-Reply-To: <007c01cd1c78$ba379330$2ea6b990$@kddilabs.jp> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:10:50 -0000 Hi Masanori, I agree that it should be bytes per second consistent with RFC 3630 and RFC= 5307.=20 Thanks, Acee On Apr 17, 2012, at 5:01 AM, Masanori Miyazawa wrote: > Hi, Ramon >=20 > Thank you for your comment on this document. > As you mentioned, OSPF and ISIS (RFC 3630 and 5307) define byte per secon= d > (not bit). >=20 > If there is no problem, we will modify the definition of UNIT from bit pe= r > second to byte per second. =20 > Any other comments about it? >=20 > Regards, > Masanori >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Ramon Casellas > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:49 PM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt >=20 > El 14/04/2012 21:08, Acee Lindem escribi=F3: >> As we discussed offline, this version addresses all my comments. >> Acee > Acee, authors, all, >=20 > Just a minor comment, shouldn't bandwidth values be in bytes per second=20 > (units) or I missed something ? (UNITS "Bit per seconds" ) >=20 > Thanks, > R. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From jie.dong@huawei.com Tue Apr 17 18:50:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBF021F848A for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:50:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EEeEx-2bZwO6 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2561521F847F for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AEZ70904; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.132) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:47:39 -0700 Received: from SZXEML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.60) by dfweml407-hub.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.132) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:47:42 -0700 Received: from SZXEML504-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.151]) by szxeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:47:39 +0800 From: Jie Dong To: Lou Berger Thread-Topic: Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb Thread-Index: Ac0ckl8joJ1dzj6OQwOOwZ4Zt33pMv//isAA//6vCLA= Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:47:38 +0000 Message-ID: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A7792@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A74EF@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8D6AAA.2000703@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4F8D6AAA.2000703@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.4.61] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:50:51 -0000 Lou,=20 Thanks for your prompt reply. Please see inline. > I think you may have missed my reference. Take a look at section 13 of > RFC 4872. I suspect you'll find the flags defined there to be a better > match. Thanks for pointing to this. Actually I looked at RFC 4872 first. While I a= gree lockout in RFC 4872 and lock instruct look similar, IMO there are stil= l some differences.=20 Section 13 of RFC 4872 talks about commands to influence recovery operation= s. The lockout command is used to force the recovery LSP unavailable to tra= nsport traffic (either normal or extra-traffic). It is only applicable to t= he recovery LSP with particular protection type. While IMO Lock Instruct is= a general operation to an LSP, which can be either a working LSP or a reco= very LSP, and with no constraint on the protection type.=20 > > > > This capability of sending notification to a targeted node is what > > Loopback needs. And then we followed the mechanism defined in RFC4974 > > for calls. The extension needed is a new flag in ADMIN_STATUS > > object. > > > > In my understanding, ERO/SERO could achieve identification and > > configuration of a targeted node, by defining new ERO subobjects. For > > Loopback such extension may be more significant than just defining a > > new flag in an existing object. But if a new subobject is to be > > defined for several related functions, this may be an interesting > > topic to have further discussions. >=20 > I believe that Cyril said he'd take a pass at such a document (somewhat > based on/similar to draft-kern-ccamp-rsvpte-hop-attributes-00). Why > don't we wait and see what comes of that before discussing this further. Sounds good. Would like to see discussions and progress on that. Many thanks, Jie From zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn Wed Apr 18 01:04:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1AAD21F85FD; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:04:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -95.156 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-95.156 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.721, BAYES_00=-2.599, FR_3TAG_3TAG=1.758, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0.76, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r46kV7eubR40; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx5.zte.com.cn (mx6.zte.com.cn [95.130.199.165]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1261021F85F2; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 01:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.30.17.99] by 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auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:56:34 -0000 Jie, Per RFC5860: 2.2.6. Lock Instruct The MPLS-TP OAM toolset MUST provide functionality to enable an End Point of a PW, LSP, or Section to instruct its associated End Point(s) to lock the PW, LSP, or Section. Note that lock corresponds to an administrative status in which it is expected that only test traffic, if any, and OAM (dedicated to the PW, LSP, or Section) can be mapped on that PW, LSP, or Section. According to IANA there are the defined admin status bits: Bit Number Hex Value Name Reference 0 0x80000000 Reflect (R) [RFC3473][RFC3471] 1-24 Unassigned 25 0x00000040 Handover (H) [RFC5852] 26 0x00000020 Lockout (L) [RFC4872] 27 0x00000010 Inhibit Alarm Communication (I) [RFC4783] 28 0x00000008 Call control (C) [RFC4974] 29 0x00000004 Testing (T) [RFC3473][RFC3471] 30 0x00000002 Administratively down (A) [RFC3473][RFC3471] 31 0x00000001 Deletion in progress (D) [RFC3473][RFC3471] RFC 4872 also defines Lockout of normal traffic (via the O bit) and Lockout of a recovery LSP (via the L bit). I suspect there are sufficient mechanisms that can be reused to document how Lock Instruct can be supported without new mechanisms. (Which is a reasonable thing to do.) On 4/17/2012 9:47 PM, Jie Dong wrote: > Lou, > > Thanks for your prompt reply. Please see inline. > >> I think you may have missed my reference. Take a look at section 13 of >> RFC 4872. I suspect you'll find the flags defined there to be a better >> match. > > Thanks for pointing to this. Actually I looked at RFC 4872 first. > While I agree lockout in RFC 4872 and lock instruct look similar, IMO > there are still some differences. > > Section 13 of RFC 4872 talks about commands to influence recovery > operations. The lockout command is used to force the recovery LSP > unavailable to transport traffic (either normal or extra-traffic). It > is only applicable to the recovery LSP with particular protection > type. While IMO Lock Instruct is a general operation to an LSP, which > can be either a working LSP or a recovery LSP, and with no constraint > on the protection type. > So you're point is that you don't like the existing mechanisms and ae proposing an alternate. Is this correct? Lou >>> >>> This capability of sending notification to a targeted node is what >>> Loopback needs. And then we followed the mechanism defined in RFC4974 >>> for calls. The extension needed is a new flag in ADMIN_STATUS >>> object. >>> >>> In my understanding, ERO/SERO could achieve identification and >>> configuration of a targeted node, by defining new ERO subobjects. For >>> Loopback such extension may be more significant than just defining a >>> new flag in an existing object. But if a new subobject is to be >>> defined for several related functions, this may be an interesting >>> topic to have further discussions. >> >> I believe that Cyril said he'd take a pass at such a document (somewhat >> based on/similar to draft-kern-ccamp-rsvpte-hop-attributes-00). Why >> don't we wait and see what comes of that before discussing this further. > > Sounds good. Would like to see discussions and progress on that. > > Many thanks, > Jie > > > > > From lberger@labn.net Wed Apr 18 05:06:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BBA21F85AA for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:06:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.993, BAYES_40=-0.185, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uYUYWJT6AXu9 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 00C2521F85A7 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30203 invoked by uid 0); 18 Apr 2012 12:05:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2012 12:05:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=tY2vhXH0E1kpnk220qmrRP/8uGodfaSxWxmO3pXfolI=; b=ws93ZH3yt7v95q3EkDW3IATrGkRINmWx5uPbxAKYh1PdoCSqngk9W1N3OhJnEdUcrNZHOkNy/EXSQTrYoU0vCu0Bb4NU7EZ50Etpd+3M8i8XA1mhtse3LfoMCI/6OWRw; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SKTe2-0004Db-5m for ccamp@ietf.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:05:58 -0600 Message-ID: <4F8EAE2A.7030206@labn.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:06:02 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] Draft IETF 83 CCAMP Minutes Available X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:06:03 -0000 All, The draft minutes from our Paris sessions have been uploaded and are available at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/minutes/minutes-83-ccamp.htm Please send any corrections to the list as soon as possible. Much thanks to our secretaries, Dan King and Daniele Ceccarelli, for preparing the minutes! 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In the part abou= t http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05, af= ter the conversation and poll reflected in the minutes, I asked what were t= he next steps and Lou mentioned that they would take the draft to the list. =D3scar >-----Mensaje original----- >De: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] En nombre de >Lou Berger >Enviado el: mi=E9rcoles, 18 de abril de 2012 14:06 >Para: CCAMP >Asunto: [CCAMP] Draft IETF 83 CCAMP Minutes Available > >All, > The draft minutes from our Paris sessions have been uploaded and >are available at: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/minutes/minutes-83-ccamp.htm > >Please send any corrections to the list as soon as possible. > >Much thanks to our secretaries, Dan King and Daniele Ceccarelli, for prepa= ring >the minutes! > >Lou and Deborah >_______________________________________________ >CCAMP mailing list >CCAMP@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. 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We only send and re= ceive email on the basis of the terms set out at http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx From cyril.margaria@nsn.com Wed Apr 18 08:57:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758BD21F8582 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:57:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ulr2GiTUEgjt for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD9B21F84EC for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q3IFvFmC007636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:57:15 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC047.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.93]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q3IFvF97014389 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:57:15 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.23]) by DEMUEXC047.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:56:42 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:56:41 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-00.txt Thread-Index: Ac0devPFmJ+MyYfATAG+vIsk0QOLtwAADOEA From: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "CCAMP" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2012 15:56:42.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9460500:01CD1D7B] X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean (visit http://www.eleven.de for further information) X-purgate-size: 1789 X-purgate-ID: 151667::1334764635-00003570-7DF1B251/0-0/0-0 Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:57:21 -0000 Hi all,=20 Following Lou directions we wrote a draft addressing a generic LSP attribute subobject in the ERO. Comments are welcome. Best regards Cyril > -----Original Message----- > From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce- > bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:50 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-00.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. >=20 > Title : LSP Attribute in ERO > Author(s) : Cyril Margaria > Dirk Schroetter > Giovanni Martinelli > Filename : draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-00.txt > Pages : 11 > Date : 2012-04-18 >=20 > LSP attributes can be specified or recorded for whole path, but they > cannot be specified as part of an Explicit Route Object (ERO). This > document extend the semantic for RSVP ERO object with a new > subobject > to carry LSP attributes. >=20 >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute- > ero-00.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute- > ero-00.txt >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From gregb@grotto-networking.com Wed Apr 18 12:11:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4465421F84A0 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.319 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.319 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.979, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MANGLED_YOUR=2.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QsFKYci9sCQI for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail32c40.carrierzone.com (mail32c40.carrierzone.com [209.235.156.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F1021F848F for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:11:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authenticated-User: gregb.grotto-networking.com Received: from [192.168.0.124] (c-67-170-243-110.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.170.243.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail32c40.carrierzone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q3IJBgbH016230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:11:43 +0000 Message-ID: <4F8F11EA.1030103@grotto-networking.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:11:38 -0700 From: Greg Bernstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp@ietf.org References: <4F756D18.6080106@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4F756D18.6080106@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020701000302060606020000" X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=8UsyTSaswBE19peHYSOhfW6AU2yKIfccx9t4cZlg+lE= c=1 sm=1 a=sWnG8HX0OJUA:10 a=CocKKSH3ad8A:10 a=xOaALFOtT5cA:10 a=B4uWGr+4DaAYpgidvygSiQ==:17 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=ZOS1sSEnQ2MM1o_zjhMA:9 a=tzE5DoVBLkvmodIOYTEA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EgY3od2ZU2QA:10 a=h-I_03WOSDMA:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=AUd_NHdVAAAA:8 a=eBVLWGc9ZEvjQLFhbHIA:9 a=XefuqAJ8-cIqFi_RApAA:7 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=JfD0Fch1gWkA:10 a=B4uWGr+4DaAYpgidvygSiQ==:117 X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4F8F11F0.000A, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Optical int class, changes to draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-14 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:11:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020701000302060606020000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Giovanni, I still don't understand what problem the "Optical Interface Class" is addressing. You seem to be replacing something that is well defined "modulation type" with something less precise, and removing the important detailed FEC type information. For the non-impairment case in ITU-T G.959.1 where they define various "optical tributary signal classes". This is the basis for the "modulation type" in the WSON info draft. In GMPLS WSON extensions we are not trying to take on the entire management plane we take a minimal subset needed for connection provisioning. Perhaps if we just rename our "modulation type" to "optical tributary signal class" this will clear up any confusion. Otherwise we need to know more specifically what you think you need added and why you want to remove the FEC type. ITU-T G.698.1 and G.698.2 reference G.959.1 and other documents to create "application codes" which describe link and signal attributes. These application codes have the form: DScW-ytz(v) where D indicates DWDM applications --> Why do you need or want this? DWDM and CWDM data planes can't talk, LMP will tell you this S indicates maximum spectral excursion --> Sounds impairment related... c is the channel spacing in GHz --> Wouldn't LMP catch this incompatibility? W is a letter indicating the span distance (S = short haul, L long haul) --> This seems like coarse impairment information y indicates the the highest class of optical tributary signal supported --> From ITU-T G.959.1, already have in WG draft. t is a placeholder letter z indicates the fiber type --> This seems like very coarse grained impairment information. v indicates the operating wavelength range in terms of spectral bands --> Already have in more detail We already explicitly support "y" (our more detailed modulation type list) and "v" (we support the more detailed port wavelength constraint explicitly). Lyndon and other "Optical Interface Class" co-authors in the bay area, perhaps we can meet and discuss. Best Regards Greg B. On 3/30/2012 1:21 AM, Giovanni Martinelli wrote: > Dear WG, > > according to input from Lou here the suggested changes on > draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-14 if the Optical Interface Class is used: > > #1 Section 5.2 > OLD: > ::= [] > [] [] [] > > NEW: > ::= [] > [] > > > #2 Section 5.2 > OLD: > := [] > [] > > NEW: > := [] > > > #3 Section 5.3.1 > OLD: > 5.3.2. Modulation Type List > > Modulation type, also known as optical tributary signal class, > comes in two distinct flavors: (i) ITU-T standardized types; (ii) > vendor specific types. The permitted modulation type list can > include any mixture of standardized and vendor specific types. > > ::= > [|]... > > Where the STANDARD_MODULATION object just represents one of the > ITU-T standardized optical tributary signal class and the > VENDOR_MODULATION object identifies one vendor specific > modulation type. > > 5.3.3. FEC Type List > > Some devices can handle more than one FEC type and hence a list > is needed. > > ::= [] > > Where the FEC object represents one of the ITU-T standardized > FECs defined in [G.709], [G.707], [G.975.1] or a vendor-specific > FEC. > > 5.3.4. Bit Rate Range List > > Some devices can handle more than one particular bit rate range > and hence a list is needed. > > ::= []... > > ::= > > Where the START_RATE object represents the lower end of the range > and the END_RATE object represents the higher end of the range. > > > > NEW: > 5.3.2 Optical Interface Class List > > ::= ... > > Where the term is defined by [xyz]. > > > > for the info model, That's all folks > Cheers > G > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp -- =================================================== Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 --------------020701000302060606020000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Giovanni, I still don't understand what problem the "Optical Interface Class" is addressing. You seem to be replacing something that is well defined "modulation type" with something less precise, and removing the important detailed FEC type information.

For the non-impairment case in ITU-T G.959.1 where they define various "optical tributary signal classes". This is the basis for the "modulation type" in the WSON info draft.  In GMPLS WSON extensions we are not trying to take on the entire management plane we take a minimal subset needed for connection provisioning. Perhaps if we just rename our "modulation type" to "optical tributary signal class" this will clear up any confusion.  Otherwise we need to know more specifically what you think you need added and why you want to remove the FEC type.

ITU-T G.698.1 and G.698.2 reference G.959.1 and other documents to create "application codes" which describe link and signal attributes. These application codes have the form: DScW-ytz(v) where
    D     indicates DWDM applications  --> Why do you need or want this? DWDM and CWDM data planes can't talk, LMP will tell you this
    S     indicates maximum spectral excursion --> Sounds impairment related...
    c     is the channel spacing in GHz --> Wouldn't LMP catch this incompatibility?
    W    is a letter indicating the span distance (S = short haul, L long haul) --> This seems like coarse impairment information
    y     indicates the the highest class of optical tributary signal supported  --> From ITU-T G.959.1, already have in WG draft.
    t     is a placeholder letter
    z     indicates the fiber type  --> This seems like very coarse grained impairment information.
    v     indicates the operating wavelength range in terms of spectral bands --> Already have in more detail

We already explicitly support "y" (our more detailed modulation type list) and "v" (we support the more detailed port wavelength constraint explicitly).

Lyndon and other "Optical Interface Class" co-authors in the bay area, perhaps we can meet and discuss.

Best Regards
Greg B.

On 3/30/2012 1:21 AM, Giovanni Martinelli wrote:
Dear WG,

according to input from Lou here the suggested changes on draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-14  if the Optical Interface Class is used:

#1  Section 5.2
OLD:
<InputConstraints> ::= <SharedInput> [<ModulationTypeList>]
   [<FECTypeList>] [<BitRateRange>] [<ClientSignalList>]

NEW:
<InputConstraints> ::= <SharedInput> [<OpticalInterfaceClassList>] [<ClientSignalList>]


#2 Section 5.2
OLD:
<OutputConstraints> := <SharedOutput> [<ModulationTypeList>]
   [<FECTypeList>]

NEW:
<OutputConstraints> := <SharedOutput> [<OpticalInterfaceClassList>]


#3 Section 5.3.1
OLD:
      5.3.2. Modulation Type List

      Modulation type, also known as optical tributary signal class,
      comes in two distinct flavors: (i) ITU-T standardized types; (ii)
      vendor specific types. The permitted modulation type list can
      include any mixture of standardized and vendor specific types.

      <modulation-list>::=
      [<STANDARD_MODULATION>|<VENDOR_MODULATION>]...

      Where the STANDARD_MODULATION object just represents one of the
      ITU-T standardized optical tributary signal class and the
      VENDOR_MODULATION object identifies one vendor specific
      modulation type.

      5.3.3. FEC Type List

      Some devices can handle more than one FEC type and hence a list
      is needed.

      <fec-list>::= [<FEC>]

      Where the FEC object represents one of the ITU-T standardized
      FECs defined in [G.709], [G.707], [G.975.1] or a vendor-specific
      FEC.

      5.3.4. Bit Rate Range List

      Some devices can handle more than one particular bit rate range
      and hence a list is needed.

      <rate-range-list>::= [<rate-range>]...

      <rate-range>::=<START_RATE><END_RATE>

      Where the START_RATE object represents the lower end of the range
      and the END_RATE object represents the higher end of the range.



NEW:
    5.3.2 Optical Interface Class List

    <OpticalInterfaceClassList> ::= <OPTICAL_INT_CLASS> ...

    Where the term <OPTICAL_INT_CLASS> is defined by [xyz].



for the info model, That's all folks
Cheers
G





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Hi Fei,

 = ;

= <fei>
According to my = understanding, the function of lock is to put the transport path into tempo= ral unavialable state, which SHOULD be applicable to either recovery or wor= king transport paths. Although the usage of  "L" bit in RFC4872 is just like what you said, which ca= n be updated to cover more scenarios.
</fei>

 = ;

Agreed. Th= e existing lockout may be updated to cover both working LSP and recovery LS= P.

 = ;

Best regards,

Jie

 = ;

From: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn [mailto:zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:03 PM
To: Jie Dong; Lou Berger
Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-bounces@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls= -tp-li-lb

 

=
Jie

See my2cents lined with <fei></fe= i>

Best

Fei

Jie Dong <jie.dong@hu= awei.com>
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB:  ccamp-bounces@ietf.org

2012-04-18 09:47

=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<= /o:p>

Lou Berger <lberger@labn= .net>

=B3=AD=CB=CD<= /span>

"ccamp@ietf.org" = <ccamp@ietf.org>

=D6=F7=CC=E2<= /span>

Re: [CCAMP] Discussions abo= ut draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb<= /o:p>

 

=


Lou,

Thanks for your prompt reply. Please see inline.

> I think you may have missed my reference.  Take a look at sec= tion 13 of
> RFC 4872.  I suspect you'll find the flags defined there to b= e a better
> match.

Thanks for pointing to this. Actually I looked at RFC 4872 first. While= I agree lockout in RFC 4872 and lock instruct look similar, IMO there are = still some differences.

Section 13 of RFC 4872 talks about commands to influence recovery opera= tions. The lockout command is used to force the recovery LSP unavailable to= transport traffic (either normal or extra-traffic). It is only applicable = to the recovery LSP with particular protection type. While IMO Lock Instruct is a general operation to an LSP,= which can be either a working LSP or a recovery LSP, and with no constrain= t on the protection type.

<fei>
According to my = understanding, the function of lock is to put the transport path into tempo= ral unavialable state, which SHOULD be applicable to either recovery or wor= king transport paths. Although the usage of  "L" bit in RFC4872 is just like what you said, which ca= n be updated to cover more scenarios.
</fei>

> >
> > This capability of sending notification to a targeted node is= what
> > Loopback needs. And then we followed the mechanism defined in= RFC4974
> > for calls. The extension needed is a new flag in ADMIN_STATUS=
> > object.
> >
> > In my understanding, ERO/SERO could achieve identification an= d
> > configuration of a targeted node, by defining new ERO subobje= cts. For
> > Loopback such extension may be more significant than just def= ining a
> > new flag in an existing object. But if a new subobject is to = be
> > defined for several related functions, this may be an interes= ting
> > topic to have further discussions.
>
> I believe that Cyril said he'd take a pass at such a document (som= ewhat
> based on/similar to draft-kern-ccamp-rsvpte-hop-attributes-00). &n= bsp;Why
> don't we wait and see what comes of that before discussing this fu= rther.

Sounds good. Would like to see discussions and progress on that.
Many thanks,
Jie

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This discussion is just to make sure whether existin= g mechanisms can meet the requirement well, or some updates to them are nee= ded (as Fei said).=20 Section 13 of RFC 4872 says:=20 B. Lockout of normal traffic: The O bit of the PROTECTION object is set to 1 to force the recovery LSP= to be temporarily unavailable to transport normal traffic. So the O bit is also defined for lockout of the recovery LSP. For Lock Inst= ruct we may need to update this to make it applicable to both working LSP a= nd recovery LSP.=20 Best regards, Jie > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:57 PM > To: Jie Dong > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb >=20 > Jie, >=20 >=20 > Per RFC5860: >=20 > 2.2.6. Lock Instruct >=20 >=20 > The MPLS-TP OAM toolset MUST provide functionality to enable an End > Point of a PW, LSP, or Section to instruct its associated End > Point(s) to lock the PW, LSP, or Section. Note that lock corresponds > to an administrative status in which it is expected that only test > traffic, if any, and OAM (dedicated to the PW, LSP, or Section) can > be mapped on that PW, LSP, or Section. >=20 > According to IANA there are the defined admin status bits: >=20 > Bit Number Hex Value Name Reference > 0 0x80000000 Reflect (R) > [RFC3473][RFC3471] > 1-24 Unassigned > 25 0x00000040 Handover (H) [RFC5852] > 26 0x00000020 Lockout (L) [RFC4872] > 27 0x00000010 Inhibit Alarm Communication (I) [RFC4783] > 28 0x00000008 Call control (C) [RFC4974] > 29 0x00000004 Testing (T) > [RFC3473][RFC3471] > 30 0x00000002 Administratively down (A) > [RFC3473][RFC3471] > 31 0x00000001 Deletion in progress (D) > [RFC3473][RFC3471] >=20 > RFC 4872 also defines Lockout of normal traffic (via the O bit) and > Lockout of a recovery LSP (via the L bit). I suspect there are > sufficient mechanisms that can be reused to document how Lock Instruct > can be supported without new mechanisms. (Which is a reasonable thing to > do.) >=20 > On 4/17/2012 9:47 PM, Jie Dong wrote: > > Lou, > > > > Thanks for your prompt reply. Please see inline. > > > >> I think you may have missed my reference. Take a look at section 13 o= f > >> RFC 4872. I suspect you'll find the flags defined there to be a bette= r > >> match. > > > > Thanks for pointing to this. Actually I looked at RFC 4872 first. > > While I agree lockout in RFC 4872 and lock instruct look similar, IMO > > there are still some differences. > > > > Section 13 of RFC 4872 talks about commands to influence recovery > > operations. The lockout command is used to force the recovery LSP > > unavailable to transport traffic (either normal or extra-traffic). It > > is only applicable to the recovery LSP with particular protection > > type. While IMO Lock Instruct is a general operation to an LSP, which > > can be either a working LSP or a recovery LSP, and with no constraint > > on the protection type. > > >=20 > So you're point is that you don't like the existing mechanisms and ae > proposing an alternate. Is this correct? >=20 > Lou >=20 > >>> > >>> This capability of sending notification to a targeted node is what > >>> Loopback needs. And then we followed the mechanism defined in > RFC4974 > >>> for calls. The extension needed is a new flag in ADMIN_STATUS > >>> object. > >>> > >>> In my understanding, ERO/SERO could achieve identification and > >>> configuration of a targeted node, by defining new ERO subobjects. For > >>> Loopback such extension may be more significant than just defining a > >>> new flag in an existing object. But if a new subobject is to be > >>> defined for several related functions, this may be an interesting > >>> topic to have further discussions. > >> > >> I believe that Cyril said he'd take a pass at such a document (somewha= t > >> based on/similar to draft-kern-ccamp-rsvpte-hop-attributes-00). Why > >> don't we wait and see what comes of that before discussing this furthe= r. > > > > Sounds good. Would like to see discussions and progress on that. > > > > Many thanks, > > Jie > > > > > > > > > > From lberger@labn.net Thu Apr 19 06:02:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAB121F84A7 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:02:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.805 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.805 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.356, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vUO+eyoOi4Tf for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8335C21F84DD for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 06:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19277 invoked by uid 0); 19 Apr 2012 13:02:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2012 13:02:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=5W3wTrSD3S+oVgwDjROI5I8z7axhHynoUGOJxdPW+Lw=; b=ZOTO0YCVDfpVyznBMcwysf7ut9KEEp/yvDaZTrBVfxJYx2QPYfVH911eXQTLWNtZn17sUV24YNhyh2ScKibjCSjDZil7i/J9NyP8sFpinVwErfqALu2BJgmnlSQy6AV0; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SKqzw-0007Gi-8Q; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:02:08 -0600 Message-ID: <4F900CD3.8070308@labn.net> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:02:11 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jie Dong References: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A74EF@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8D6AAA.2000703@labn.net> <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A7792@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8EABF1.6000103@labn.net> <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A7CBD@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A7CBD@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:02:20 -0000 sigh. On 4/18/2012 9:54 PM, Jie Dong wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Totally agree that it would be good if existing mechanism can be > reused to support lock instruct. This discussion is just to make sure > whether existing mechanisms can meet the requirement well, or some > updates to them are needed (as Fei said). > > Section 13 of RFC 4872 says: > > B. Lockout of normal traffic: > The O bit of the PROTECTION object is set to 1 to force the recovery > LSP to be temporarily unavailable to transport normal traffic. > > So the O bit is also defined for lockout of the recovery LSP. For > Lock Instruct we may need to update this to make it applicable to > both working LSP and recovery LSP. > did you read "A. Lockout of recovery LSP:"? Is this not sufficient? Lou > Best regards, > Jie > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:57 PM >> To: Jie Dong >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb >> >> Jie, >> >> >> Per RFC5860: >> >> 2.2.6. Lock Instruct >> >> >> The MPLS-TP OAM toolset MUST provide functionality to enable an End >> Point of a PW, LSP, or Section to instruct its associated End >> Point(s) to lock the PW, LSP, or Section. Note that lock corresponds >> to an administrative status in which it is expected that only test >> traffic, if any, and OAM (dedicated to the PW, LSP, or Section) can >> be mapped on that PW, LSP, or Section. >> >> According to IANA there are the defined admin status bits: >> >> Bit Number Hex Value Name Reference >> 0 0x80000000 Reflect (R) >> [RFC3473][RFC3471] >> 1-24 Unassigned >> 25 0x00000040 Handover (H) [RFC5852] >> 26 0x00000020 Lockout (L) [RFC4872] >> 27 0x00000010 Inhibit Alarm Communication (I) [RFC4783] >> 28 0x00000008 Call control (C) [RFC4974] >> 29 0x00000004 Testing (T) >> [RFC3473][RFC3471] >> 30 0x00000002 Administratively down (A) >> [RFC3473][RFC3471] >> 31 0x00000001 Deletion in progress (D) >> [RFC3473][RFC3471] >> >> RFC 4872 also defines Lockout of normal traffic (via the O bit) and >> Lockout of a recovery LSP (via the L bit). I suspect there are >> sufficient mechanisms that can be reused to document how Lock Instruct >> can be supported without new mechanisms. (Which is a reasonable thing to >> do.) >> > >> On 4/17/2012 9:47 PM, Jie Dong wrote: >>> Lou, >>> >>> Thanks for your prompt reply. Please see inline. >>> >>>> I think you may have missed my reference. Take a look at section 13 of >>>> RFC 4872. I suspect you'll find the flags defined there to be a better >>>> match. >>> >>> Thanks for pointing to this. Actually I looked at RFC 4872 first. >>> While I agree lockout in RFC 4872 and lock instruct look similar, IMO >>> there are still some differences. >>> >>> Section 13 of RFC 4872 talks about commands to influence recovery >>> operations. The lockout command is used to force the recovery LSP >>> unavailable to transport traffic (either normal or extra-traffic). It >>> is only applicable to the recovery LSP with particular protection >>> type. While IMO Lock Instruct is a general operation to an LSP, which >>> can be either a working LSP or a recovery LSP, and with no constraint >>> on the protection type. >>> >> >> So you're point is that you don't like the existing mechanisms and ae >> proposing an alternate. Is this correct? >> >> Lou >> >>>>> >>>>> This capability of sending notification to a targeted node is what >>>>> Loopback needs. And then we followed the mechanism defined in >> RFC4974 >>>>> for calls. The extension needed is a new flag in ADMIN_STATUS >>>>> object. >>>>> >>>>> In my understanding, ERO/SERO could achieve identification and >>>>> configuration of a targeted node, by defining new ERO subobjects. For >>>>> Loopback such extension may be more significant than just defining a >>>>> new flag in an existing object. But if a new subobject is to be >>>>> defined for several related functions, this may be an interesting >>>>> topic to have further discussions. >>>> >>>> I believe that Cyril said he'd take a pass at such a document (somewhat >>>> based on/similar to draft-kern-ccamp-rsvpte-hop-attributes-00). Why >>>> don't we wait and see what comes of that before discussing this further. >>> >>> Sounds good. Would like to see discussions and progress on that. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Jie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com Thu Apr 19 08:03:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B9B21F85DF for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:03:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qYlcBMy0giHS for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46AD21F85C3 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 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ja Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:04:15 -0000 Acee, Thank you. I will update the document.=20 If there are any comments, please let me know. Regards, Masanori -----Original Message----- From: Acee Lindem [mailto:acee.lindem@ericsson.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:11 AM To: Masanori Miyazawa Cc: Ramon Casellas; ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt Hi Masanori, I agree that it should be bytes per second consistent with RFC 3630 and = RFC 5307.=20 Thanks, Acee On Apr 17, 2012, at 5:01 AM, Masanori Miyazawa wrote: > Hi, Ramon >=20 > Thank you for your comment on this document. > As you mentioned, OSPF and ISIS (RFC 3630 and 5307) define byte per=20 > second (not bit). >=20 > If there is no problem, we will modify the definition of UNIT from bit = per > second to byte per second. =20 > Any other comments about it? >=20 > Regards, > Masanori >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = > Of Ramon Casellas > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:49 PM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-12.txt >=20 > El 14/04/2012 21:08, Acee Lindem escribi=F3: >> As we discussed offline, this version addresses all my comments. >> Acee > Acee, authors, all, >=20 > Just a minor comment, shouldn't bandwidth values be in bytes per = second=20 > (units) or I missed something ? 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Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Informational. Provides additional narrative, no new procedures or mechanisms are defined. Yes. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary The RSVP ASSOCIATION object was defined in the context of GMPLS (Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching) controlled label switched paths (LSPs). In this context, the object is used to associate recovery LSPs with the LSP they are protecting. This document reviews how association is to be provided in the context of GMPLS recovery. No new procedures or mechanisms are defined by this document and it is strictly informative in nature. Working Group Summary Was there anything in WG process that is worth noting? For example, was there controversy about particular points or were there decisions where the consensus was particularly rough? No. Document was a result of questions on proper interpretation of this object. Good support by the WG. Document Quality Are there existing implementations of the protocol? Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Are there any reviewers that merit special mention as having done a thorough review, e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a conclusion that the document had no substantive issues? If there was a MIB Doctor, Media Type or other expert review, what was its course (briefly)? In the case of a Media Type review, on what date was the request posted? Not applicable for this document. Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd? Who is the Responsible Area Director? Deborah Brungard is the Document Shepherd. Adrian Farrel is the Area Director. (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. This document has been adequately reviewed. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No concerns. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. No. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Yes. (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No. (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? The WG supported this document. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) No. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. No issues. (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. Not applicable. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? Yes. (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? No. (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. 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From mach.chen@huawei.com Fri Apr 20 19:09:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE2C21F84C2 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:09:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZsAANEwI2zq7 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB53021F84B8 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AFC06024; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.132) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:08:48 -0700 Received: from SZXEML425-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.72.61.33) by dfweml407-hub.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.132) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:08:45 -0700 Received: from SZXEML511-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.236]) by szxeml425-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.72.61.33]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:08:34 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: Lou Berger , Jie Dong Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb Thread-Index: AQHNHQ3IGH6tJolXk0+KBaZVa5QEF5af9GGAgASSEqA= Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 02:08:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A74EF@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8D6AAA.2000703@labn.net> <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A7792@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8EABF1.6000103@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4F8EABF1.6000103@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.4.59] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 02:09:51 -0000 Hi Lou Snipped >=20 > RFC 4872 also defines Lockout of normal traffic (via the O bit) and > Lockout of a recovery LSP (via the L bit). I suspect there are > sufficient mechanisms that can be reused to document how Lock Instruct > can be supported without new mechanisms. (Which is a reasonable thing > to > do.) For the Lockout function, according to the Section 13 of RFC 4872, my under= standing of both the O bit and L bit are only applicable to the "RECOVERY" = LSP, if we want to reuse the existing bits for the Lock function of MPLS-TP= , some clarification updates are necessary. For example: OLD: Lockout (L): 1 bit When set, forces the recovery LSP to be temporarily unavailable to transport traffic (either normal or extra traffic).=20 New: Lockout (L): 1 bit When set, forces the LSP to be temporarily unavailable to transport traffic. My suggest is that we could extend the scope of L bit to make it applies to= working LSP as well in draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb, does it mak= e sense? Best regards, Mach From francesco.fondelli@gmail.com Sat Apr 21 12:38:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D19621F8616 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:38:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X2b2kQax0e3B for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com (mail-gy0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8B921F85E1 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ghbg16 with SMTP id g16so6527684ghb.31 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:38:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HP/WJXmw1WOFFxayGD9xAIsy18qjrHW5yAnlq781FGA=; b=th+AHe64X5EokKn67w9HsBqxsrOoQmLJQwWebdfklUZCjZzFd0TyrS0S/GmNNs5ONb T3imeAf1YY4BeYuWtWpAv4E5zWfrB6Ufc0XybEXcaXdZlBDdO4X4I7g8yM8qmk7TyFql dpWUyhNCBceV/8siYnZNXplgIc0NVByPj7kDtJG+AkWEj1tq/tK8gCGryI+B42dLGHv8 xynuWrWNwuHVbF7ZHi7JA2Y8VlSbpiIZ2tkWlbjWDAQlHIQ6YMAELPEElDjGPK0/COT3 gG4Spq9mHCf1BaARvpjeI8BhR5iDUF9CbuMBCPI4RcF9/8Y9eJISwOuwzEavijdR17qW Y9xA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.75.227 with SMTP id z63mr9864305yhd.87.1335037133746; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.46.233 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:38:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A74EF@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8D6AAA.2000703@labn.net> <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A7792@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8EABF1.6000103@labn.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:38:53 +0200 Message-ID: From: Francesco Fondelli To: Mach Chen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:38:58 -0000 Hi All, the "Lock Instruct and Loopback Functions" [6435] and the lockout of the protection path [4872, 3471, 3473] are orthogonal concepts, IMHO. 1) Overloading O bit is problematic: --- 4872 --- Operational (O): 1 bit When set to 1, this bit indicates that the protecting LSP is carrying the normal traffic after protection switching. The O bit is only applicable when the P bit is set to 1, and the LSP Protection Type Flag is set to either 0x04 (1:N Protection with Extra-Traffic), or 0x08 (1+1 Unidirectional Protection) or 0x10 (1+1 Bidirectional Protection). The O bit MUST be set to 0 in any other case. --- As far as I understand the "Lock Instruct and Loopback Functions" [6435] apply to any LSP (protected or not), however the "O bit MUST be set to 0 in any other case" and I read "any other case" as unprotected/full-rerouting. I guess "LI & LOOP func" is also applicable in the absence of a PROTECTION obj. 2) L bit in ADMIN_STATUS is problematic too (basically, because what Mach said). It would be difficult to disambiguate "I want to lock this recovery LSP out of the protection domain" (legacy behavior) and "I want to lock this (w or p or whatever) LSP out of normal service (in order to eventually make a loop-back test)". 3) T bit is... I've always wondered how people use the T bit... :-) For the sake of clarity I think a new bit in the ADMIN_STATUS is preferable. Just my opinion. I do have a question about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb-02... ... do the concepts of "lock a LSP out of normal service" and "perform a data-plane loop-back test" belongs only to MPLS-TP ? What about other GMPLS controlled technologies ? thanks Ciao FF On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Mach Chen wrote: > Hi Lou > > Snipped > >> >> RFC 4872 also defines =C2=A0Lockout of normal traffic (via the O bit) an= d >> Lockout of a recovery LSP (via the L bit). =C2=A0I suspect there are >> sufficient mechanisms that can be reused to document how Lock Instruct >> can be supported without new mechanisms. (Which is a reasonable thing >> to >> do.) > > For the Lockout function, according to the Section 13 of RFC 4872, my und= erstanding of both the O bit and L bit are only applicable to the "RECOVERY= " LSP, if we want to reuse the existing bits for the Lock function of MPLS-= TP, some clarification updates are necessary. For example: > > OLD: > Lockout (L): 1 bit > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0When set, forces the recovery LSP to be tempor= arily unavailable > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to transport traffic (either normal or extra t= raffic). > > New: > Lockout (L): 1 bit > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0When set, forces the LSP to be temporarily una= vailable > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to transport traffic. > > My suggest is that we could extend the scope of L bit to make it applies = to working LSP as well in draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb, does it m= ake sense? > > Best regards, > Mach > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From lberger@labn.net Sun Apr 22 09:32:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4115E21F85EA for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:32:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.364, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qiJNhq-CQ5sR for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 77BF621F8587 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14046 invoked by uid 0); 22 Apr 2012 16:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2012 16:31:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=th5/0Mm4jlgbHtkV5UUjm0MnM1fh4hPFJAU2RWcUjT8=; b=kgmT9dS0vhmcVerBQj2b1aWtkTHMwf/CwFRH4XNFHDBkyH8HupyeFAcvD+RdCCFHJo8nwygHkUyYT7HgNsJ9ehHSicH7uOUOUT41TSYtE4MC7FuXNXD9VCj/lhx0Feao; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SLzhZ-0005PG-2C; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:31:53 -0600 Message-ID: <4F94327D.6020200@labn.net> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:31:57 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francesco Fondelli , Mach Chen , Jie Dong References: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A74EF@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8D6AAA.2000703@labn.net> <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A7792@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8EABF1.6000103@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:32:17 -0000 So I think there's multiple ways to reuse the existing bits. We just have to agree on which bits have applicability to TP's Lock Instruct. Looking back at the TP requirement we have: 2.2.6. Lock Instruct The MPLS-TP OAM toolset MUST provide functionality to enable an End Point of a PW, LSP, or Section to instruct its associated End Point(s) to lock the PW, LSP, or Section. Note that lock corresponds to an administrative status in which it is expected that only test traffic, if any, and OAM (dedicated to the PW, LSP, or Section) can be mapped on that PW, LSP, or Section. So we have: 1) lock corresponds to an administrative status -- Great, seems to map to setting the ADMIN_STATUS object A bid Administratively down (A): 1 bit When set, indicates that the local actions related to the "administratively down" state should be taken. 2) only test traffic, if any, -- Great, seems to map to setting the ADMIN_STATUS T bit when testing traffic is present Testing (T): 1 bit When set, indicates that the local actions related to the "testing" mode should be taken. 3) The above seems to cover the unprotected case, now we also have the existing O and L bits for the protection cases. -- When LI is on a working path, the traffic needs to be switched to a recovery lsp, as is already described in 4872 (the RFC even tells you when to set the A bit!), and then to also follow the "Lockout of normal traffic" procedure. -- When LI is on a recovery LSP, the traffic may need to be switched back to the working LSP, as is already described in 4872, and then to also follow the "Lockout of recovery LSP" procedure. So if we have a document that says that all TP implementations will use the above to support TP LI, are there any TP LI requirements that are not met? Lou On 4/21/2012 3:38 PM, Francesco Fondelli wrote: > Hi All, > > the "Lock Instruct and Loopback Functions" [6435] and the lockout of the > protection path [4872, 3471, 3473] are orthogonal concepts, IMHO. > > 1) > Overloading O bit is problematic: > > --- 4872 --- > Operational (O): 1 bit > > When set to 1, this bit indicates that the protecting LSP is > carrying the normal traffic after protection switching. The O > bit is only applicable when the P bit is set to 1, and the LSP > Protection Type Flag is set to either 0x04 (1:N Protection with > Extra-Traffic), or 0x08 (1+1 Unidirectional Protection) or 0x10 > (1+1 Bidirectional Protection). The O bit MUST be set to 0 in > any other case. > --- > > As far as I understand the "Lock Instruct and Loopback Functions" > [6435] apply to any LSP (protected or not), however the "O bit > MUST be set to 0 in any other case" and I read "any other case" > as unprotected/full-rerouting. I guess "LI & LOOP func" is also > applicable in the absence of a PROTECTION obj. > > 2) > L bit in ADMIN_STATUS is problematic too (basically, because what Mach > said). It would be difficult to disambiguate "I want to lock > this recovery LSP out of the protection domain" (legacy behavior) > and "I want to lock this (w or p or whatever) LSP out of normal > service (in order to eventually make a loop-back test)". > > 3) > T bit is... I've always wondered how people use the T bit... :-) > > For the sake of clarity I think a new bit in the ADMIN_STATUS is > preferable. Just my opinion. > > I do have a question about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb-02... > ... do the concepts of "lock a LSP out of normal service" and "perform a > data-plane loop-back test" belongs only to MPLS-TP ? What about other > GMPLS controlled technologies ? > > thanks > Ciao > FF > > On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Mach Chen wrote: >> Hi Lou >> >> Snipped >> >>> >>> RFC 4872 also defines Lockout of normal traffic (via the O bit) and >>> Lockout of a recovery LSP (via the L bit). I suspect there are >>> sufficient mechanisms that can be reused to document how Lock Instruct >>> can be supported without new mechanisms. (Which is a reasonable thing >>> to >>> do.) >> >> For the Lockout function, according to the Section 13 of RFC 4872, my understanding of both the O bit and L bit are only applicable to the "RECOVERY" LSP, if we want to reuse the existing bits for the Lock function of MPLS-TP, some clarification updates are necessary. For example: >> >> OLD: >> Lockout (L): 1 bit >> >> When set, forces the recovery LSP to be temporarily unavailable >> to transport traffic (either normal or extra traffic). >> >> New: >> Lockout (L): 1 bit >> >> When set, forces the LSP to be temporarily unavailable >> to transport traffic. >> >> My suggest is that we could extend the scope of L bit to make it applies to working LSP as well in draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb, does it make sense? >> >> Best regards, >> Mach >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > From mach.chen@huawei.com Sun Apr 22 19:21:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE34A21F84D2 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:21:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 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References: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A74EF@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8D6AAA.2000703@labn.net> <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A7792@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8EABF1.6000103@labn.net> <4F94327D.6020200@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:02:40 -0000 Mach, See below. On 4/22/2012 10:19 PM, Mach Chen wrote: > Hi Lou, FF and others, > > I agree the principle that we should try to reuse the existing bits when possible, but we also need to avoid overuse that may cause potential confusion or conflicts with the existing usage. > > Please see my reply inline... > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:32 AM >> To: Francesco Fondelli; Mach Chen; Jie Dong >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussions about >> draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb >> >> So I think there's multiple ways to reuse the existing bits. We just >> have to agree on which bits have applicability to TP's Lock Instruct. >> Looking back at the TP requirement we have: >> >> 2.2.6. Lock Instruct >> >> The MPLS-TP OAM toolset MUST provide functionality to enable an End >> Point of a PW, LSP, or Section to instruct its associated End >> Point(s) to lock the PW, LSP, or Section. Note that lock corresponds >> to an administrative status in which it is expected that only test >> traffic, if any, and OAM (dedicated to the PW, LSP, or Section) can >> be mapped on that PW, LSP, or Section. >> >> So we have: >> 1) lock corresponds to an administrative status >> >> -- Great, seems to map to setting the ADMIN_STATUS object A bid >> Administratively down (A): 1 bit >> >> When set, indicates that the local actions related to the >> "administratively down" state should be taken. > > I am not sure whether this mode allows the test and OAM traffic be mapped on the LSP, seems not (my reading of it), so it seems that it cannot satisfy the requirement. > Why not? >> >> 2) only test traffic, if any, >> >> -- Great, seems to map to setting the ADMIN_STATUS T bit when testing >> traffic is present >> Testing (T): 1 bit >> >> When set, indicates that the local actions related to the >> "testing" mode should be taken. > > T bit seems better than A bit, but there is only few description about what's the "testing" mode, if it was chosen, some clarifications are needed. For example, "In testing mode, only the test traffic, if any, and OAM (dedicated to the LSP) can be mapped on that LSP". > Right, the A and T bits were always intended to have technology specific meanings. So, just define how you want to have the A and T bits to be interpreted/used for TP, once the WG agrees, the work is done. No new bits or really even new mechanisms, just agreement on usage for TP. >> >> 3) The above seems to cover the unprotected case, now we also have the >> existing O and L bits for the protection cases. >> >> -- When LI is on a working path, the traffic needs to be switched to a >> recovery lsp, as is already described in 4872 (the RFC even tells you >> when to set the A bit!), and then to also follow the "Lockout of normal >> traffic" procedure. >> >> -- When LI is on a recovery LSP, the traffic may need to be switched >> back to the working LSP, as is already described in 4872, and then to >> also follow the "Lockout of recovery LSP" procedure. > > The LI function does not differ the normal and extra traffic, Sure. But RFC4872 does, so the 1 requirement (prevent usage by user traffic) can use the ADMIN_STATUS A bit defined in 3471/3 and 2 mechanism already defined in 4872. > at first glance, we had thought we could reuse these bits for LI. But when deep in more, we found that they are not suitable at least as it current definition. As FF said, we also wondered how people will use the T bit:-), it defines as: > > Lockout (L): 1 bit > > When set, forces the recovery LSP to be temporarily unavailable > to transport traffic (either normal or extra traffic). > > It intends to lock out EITHER the normal OR extra traffic, my reading of this is that the L bit cannot be used alone, it must be used with other bits(e.g., the O bit) hence to make sure whether the normal or extra traffic should be locked out. So I think the L and O bit are not suitable for the TI function. > > And if the T bit can be updated as above, it could apply to both working and recovery LSP, so there is no need to give more meanings to the L and O bits.. > >> >> So if we have a document that says that all TP implementations will use >> the above to support TP LI, are there any TP LI requirements that are >> not met? > > IMHO, we should avoid using the combination of the above bits to support TP LI, it's a bit complicate, especially from the view of implementation. I am open to reuse the existing bit or define new bit, if the WG have the consensus to reuse the existing bits(e.g., the T bit), we could update the draft to reflect that. > I understand the desire for a simple, single bit, solution, but GMPLS is an existing protocol that predates TP by a long time. We should reuse the existing mechanisms to meet TP's specific (but not unique) requirements. You mention that you're worried about "confusion or conflicts" with exiting implementations, I'm not sure there are any in this case as we are simply talking about using the bits as intended, i.e.: A bit = Administratively down (i.e., don't use it for user traffic) T bit = Testing (i.e., LSP is carrying test traffic) O/L bits = Lockout of normal/recovery LSP (i.e., don't use working/protection LSP for user traffic) and adding some specific TP usage, e.g., something along the lines of: TP Rule 1: To set TP LI on an unprotected LSP, set the A-bit on the LSP being locked. (as defined in rfc 3473/1) TP Rule 2: To set TP LI on an protected working path LSP, move the user traffic to a protection LSP, set the O-bit on the protection LSP, then set the A-bit on the the LSP being locked. (as defined in rfc 4872) TP Rule 3: To set TP LI on an protection path LSP, if not already done move the user traffic to the working (or another protection) LSP, set the L-bit on the protection LSP, set the A-bit on the LSP being locked. (all as defined in rfc 4872). TP Rule 4: Before sending test traffic on a locked LSP, set the T-bit. TP Rule 5: When no longer sending test traffic on a locked LSP, clear the T-bit. TP Rule 6: To remove TP LI, clear the A bit and, if set above, the L-bit. When the O-bit is set, revert according to working LSP status/settings following procedures in RFC4872. Other than it being "a bit complicated", is there a TP requirement that can't be met by the existing mechanisms and usage rules? If not, then general approach of the WG (and GMPLS) is to (re)use common mechanisms wherever possible even when a new mechanisms could be "more optimal" or "simpler"... Lou > Many thanks, > Mach >> >> Lou >> >> On 4/21/2012 3:38 PM, Francesco Fondelli wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> the "Lock Instruct and Loopback Functions" [6435] and the lockout of >> the >>> protection path [4872, 3471, 3473] are orthogonal concepts, IMHO. >>> >>> 1) >>> Overloading O bit is problematic: >>> >>> --- 4872 --- >>> Operational (O): 1 bit >>> >>> When set to 1, this bit indicates that the protecting LSP is >>> carrying the normal traffic after protection switching. The O >>> bit is only applicable when the P bit is set to 1, and the LSP >>> Protection Type Flag is set to either 0x04 (1:N Protection with >>> Extra-Traffic), or 0x08 (1+1 Unidirectional Protection) or 0x10 >>> (1+1 Bidirectional Protection). The O bit MUST be set to 0 in >>> any other case. >>> --- >>> >>> As far as I understand the "Lock Instruct and Loopback Functions" >>> [6435] apply to any LSP (protected or not), however the "O bit >>> MUST be set to 0 in any other case" and I read "any other case" >>> as unprotected/full-rerouting. I guess "LI & LOOP func" is also >>> applicable in the absence of a PROTECTION obj. >>> >>> 2) >>> L bit in ADMIN_STATUS is problematic too (basically, because what Mach >>> said). It would be difficult to disambiguate "I want to lock >>> this recovery LSP out of the protection domain" (legacy behavior) >>> and "I want to lock this (w or p or whatever) LSP out of normal >>> service (in order to eventually make a loop-back test)". >>> >>> 3) >>> T bit is... I've always wondered how people use the T bit... :-) >>> >>> For the sake of clarity I think a new bit in the ADMIN_STATUS is >>> preferable. Just my opinion. >>> >>> I do have a question about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb-02... >>> ... do the concepts of "lock a LSP out of normal service" and "perform a >>> data-plane loop-back test" belongs only to MPLS-TP ? What about >> other >>> GMPLS controlled technologies ? >>> >>> thanks >>> Ciao >>> FF >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Mach Chen >> wrote: >>>> Hi Lou >>>> >>>> Snipped >>>> >>>>> >>>>> RFC 4872 also defines Lockout of normal traffic (via the O bit) and >>>>> Lockout of a recovery LSP (via the L bit). I suspect there are >>>>> sufficient mechanisms that can be reused to document how Lock >> Instruct >>>>> can be supported without new mechanisms. (Which is a reasonable >> thing >>>>> to >>>>> do.) >>>> >>>> For the Lockout function, according to the Section 13 of RFC 4872, my >> understanding of both the O bit and L bit are only applicable to the >> "RECOVERY" LSP, if we want to reuse the existing bits for the Lock function >> of MPLS-TP, some clarification updates are necessary. For example: >>>> >>>> OLD: >>>> Lockout (L): 1 bit >>>> >>>> When set, forces the recovery LSP to be temporarily >> unavailable >>>> to transport traffic (either normal or extra traffic). >>>> >>>> New: >>>> Lockout (L): 1 bit >>>> >>>> When set, forces the LSP to be temporarily unavailable >>>> to transport traffic. >>>> >>>> My suggest is that we could extend the scope of L bit to make it applies >> to working LSP as well in draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb, does it >> make sense? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mach >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CCAMP mailing list >>>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From lberger@labn.net Mon Apr 23 09:52:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B2D21F8681 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:52:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.134, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3k5lE7IvrtOo for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9955721F864B for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32439 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2012 16:51:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2012 16:51:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=3NaImi/txjNdp6gWybIRz4c+gBbo9TSDrEQU3Ya1dqA=; b=NfzvYpdI8n7nOvyRirpr4OnrRt0sm9zBiAOzq3G7Fdytkhh+X/nQeUHF0DvY3l7YyRm7sGk2/ujuozyZNaNevu8nteNijfQB4WCraHbxFrHk6dGPR6qC9nE32YugxOHa; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SMMUH-0004n4-SC; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:51:42 -0600 Message-ID: <4F95889E.5030803@labn.net> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:51:42 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)" , Daniele Ceccarelli References: <4F8C32EE.2030105@labn.net> <4F8D588B.7010408@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] R: A couple of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:52:10 -0000 Sergio, See below. On 4/19/2012 11:03 AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote: > Hi Lou, > > > For question 1) > > > TSG is an adaptation information that has meaning only in the context > of OTN multiplexing. Nothing to do with G-PID that obviously has to > carry information regarding client so, ODUj. Moreover TSG information > could not be done with G-PID, because this TSG information only makes > sense to the penultimate hop and G-PID cannot specify 1.25 or 2.5G so > far. In this case,47 (ODUj) will be carried in G-PID. This could equally be accomplished using 2 G-PID values, e.g., 47=ODUj-2.5G TSG, 48-ODUj-1.25G ( or 3 if you also want one to indicate either.) BTW you might want to reread the definition of G-PID with respect to penultimate hop. > > > For question 2) > > > > Hierarchy information has been introduced to help penultimate hop > (always in case ERO information are not exhaustive) choosing the > right interface e.g. two interfaces supporting both the correct TSG > but not the same client hierarchy. This added information is used to > guarantee the possibility about the correct > multiplexing/demultiplexing process. > > G-PID at the moment consider a number of codes that does not cover > all the different ¡°mapping¡± used for the same carried payload e.g. > typical example is 10Gb Eth. So we added Swtiching Cap and Encoding > information like the OTN layers + adaptation field , in order to > better distinguish also the client OTN layer. Exploiting on the > G-PID, can bring two problems: > > > > a) We would need to add G-PID information inside the new Type new > object , having a not-homogeneous format with respect the other > layers. > > b) As said before, it wouldn¡¯t be exhaustive with respect real > mapping beyond the same payload. I'm sorry, I don't understand how this answers the following: >> So what does it mean in a type 2 TLV to have a "non OTN signal types" >> and GFP mappings? It seems that these both cover cases beyond ODU >> H-LSPs, am I wrong? Lou > > Best Regards > > Sergio and Daniele > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] Per conto di Lou Berger > Inviato: marted¨¬ 17 aprile 2012 13.48 > A: Fatai Zhang > Cc: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org > Oggetto: Re: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 > > Fatai, > See below. > > On 4/17/2012 5:34 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >> Hi Lou, >> >> Great points. >> >> For point 1, the Adaption object in this draft is used to carry only >> OTN specific information that is needed to create an ODU FA-LSP to >> carry one specific ODU signal, > > Well I can see this for Type 2 (Hierarchy signaling), but for FA/H-LSP + > Type 1 (Server TSG signaling) it seems that the same could be done with > G-PID. If you disagree, what do you expect to carry in G-PID in the ODU > H-LSP case? > >> but the other payload types (ie. other >> information in the table 15-8) should be still carried in G-PID as >> defined in RFC3471. > > So what does it mean in a type 2 TLV to have a "non OTN signal types" > and GFP mappings? It seems that these both cover cases beyond ODU > H-LSPs, am I wrong? > > Lou > >> >> For point 2, good suggestion. I just checked RFC4420, I agree with >> you that it is better to put this information in LSP attributes, >> which is used to signal attributes required in support of an LSP, >> or to indicate the nature or use of an LSP where that information is >> not required to be acted on by all transit LSRs. >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Fatai >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger >> Sent: 2012Äê4ÔÂ16ÈÕ 22:56 >> To: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org >> Cc: CCAMP >> Subject: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 >> >> Authors, >> >> This message is a follow on to the discussion that we started to have in >> Paris on the ADAPTATION Object. I have two comments, the second of >> which I didn't have time (during the presentation time period) to make: >> >> 1) Can you explain/justify why you are proposing carrying a subset of >> the Payload type code points defined in G.709 (see Table 15-8) in the >> ADAPTATION Object, but not others? >> >> I'm not questioning the need for an end-to-end adaptation check, but >> rather an apparent incomplete method for supporting this check. >> >> 2) Given the very limited number of remaining RSVP c-type values, I'm >> struggling with justifying the definition of the new, perhaps not very >> generic, ADAPTATION Object rather than carrying this information in an >> existing (and more generic) object. Have you considered carrying this >> information elsewhere, e.g., LSP attributes, and if so what's your >> thinking for not using such? >> >> Lou (As WG participant) >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From mach.chen@huawei.com Mon Apr 23 20:33:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AEF21F8608 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:33:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UYIMAPNxODRN for ; 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bh=BXUDff9DLIwxEyU/q7CKtM5XYRC/uaMiryexscNI7P0=; b=KnKHB8ob5kHmZ5RdefsMgQ2f3/XynOLvzARhhmWgvtvJB/juNouLlpvQ4Qb2tv+7OhyDqxkfaioUkvB9cYUFu+DiOs5E7Gz+k6pITD9gVodkVR3GN24mD+QpTsQuaqKG; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SMe9L-00085U-1w; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:43:15 -0600 Message-ID: <4F9691D3.6040001@labn.net> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:43:15 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mach Chen References: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A74EF@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8D6AAA.2000703@labn.net> <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A7792@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8EABF1.6000103@labn.net> <4F94327D.6020200@labn.net> <4F9560E9.4070002@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:43:16 -0000 Mach, Glad we're down to one open point. On 4/23/2012 11:30 PM, Mach Chen wrote: > Since the A bit is used for lock instruct, why do we need to set the L bit? Because that's what the RFC says to do. Is there an issue with using the L bit, or do you just think it's unnecessary? Lou From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Apr 24 09:02:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC5511E80B6; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:02:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t+mMpelbQUap; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DCE21F875D; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:02:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.01p1 Message-ID: <20120424160231.21455.58859.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:02:31 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-14.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:02:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information Encoding f= or Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Greg M. Bernstein Young Lee Dan Li Wataru Imajuku Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-14.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2012-04-24 A wavelength switched optical network (WSON) requires that certain key information elements are made available to facilitate path computation and the establishment of label switching paths (LSPs). The information model described in "Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks" shows what information is required at specific points in the WSON. Part of the WSON information model contains aspects that may be of general applicability to other technologies, while other parts are fairly specific to WSONs. This document provides efficient, protocol-agnostic encodings for the WSON specific information elements. It is intended that protocol-specific documents will reference this memo to describe how information is carried for specific uses. Such encodings can be used to extend GMPLS signaling and routing protocols. In addition these encodings could be used by other mechanisms to convey this same information to a path computation element (PCE). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-14.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-14.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode/ From leeyoung@huawei.com Tue Apr 24 09:08:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A7811E80A5 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:08:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vGHwLUtKhq3R for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEE511E80B7 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AFM45609; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML407-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.132) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:06:45 -0700 Received: from dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com ([169.254.16.128]) by dfweml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.132]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:06:41 -0700 From: Leeyoung To: CCAMP Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-14.txt Thread-Index: AQHNIjPQUzpI61/IgkSSNZGIpjj5BJaqI1+g Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:06:41 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1720C92707@dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.137.190] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-14.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:08:30 -0000 Hi, The revision reflects all the encoding changes on modulation and FEC (thank= s to Pierre and Cyril) to be more efficient. All the changes have been agre= ed by all participating parties in the past meeting in Paris. Let us know if you have any comment/question to the mailing list. Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of i= nternet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:03 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-14.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information Encoding f= or Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Greg M. Bernstein Young Lee Dan Li Wataru Imajuku Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-14.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2012-04-24 A wavelength switched optical network (WSON) requires that certain key information elements are made available to facilitate path computation and the establishment of label switching paths (LSPs). The information model described in "Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks" shows what information is required at specific points in the WSON. Part of the WSON information model contains aspects that may be of general applicability to other technologies, while other parts are fairly specific to WSONs. This document provides efficient, protocol-agnostic encodings for the WSON specific information elements. It is intended that protocol-specific documents will reference this memo to describe how information is carried for specific uses. Such encodings can be used to extend GMPLS signaling and routing protocols. In addition these encodings could be used by other mechanisms to convey this same information to a path computation element (PCE). A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-14.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-14.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode/ _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Apr 24 14:17:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA7C11E80C9; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:17:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.528 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.528 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SDpuaBy5yiOo; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C2611E8081; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:17:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.01p1 Message-ID: <20120424211729.5428.50898.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:17:29 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-08.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:17:30 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Co= mpatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-08.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2012-04-24 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibil= ity-ospf-08.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibili= ty-ospf-08.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility= -ospf/ From leeyoung@huawei.com Tue Apr 24 14:25:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540D121F861D for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:25:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HX+uJvc85FNg for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2715921F861A for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AFM64652; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.203) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:22:38 -0700 Received: from dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com ([169.254.16.128]) by dfweml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.203]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:22:34 -0700 From: Leeyoung To: CCAMP Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-08.txt Thread-Index: AQHNIl+9oankQyXM0EeX0LdqlO5J55aqewYA Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:22:34 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1720C92826@dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.137.190] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-08.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:25:07 -0000 Hi, This revision reflects what had been resolved in the 82nd IETF concerning L= SA fragmentation/reassembly issue. Mostly editorial in nature, deleting som= e old texts. In addition, all the encoding information is now aligned with WSON-Encode d= raft.=20 The co-authors believe the draft is now stable. If you have any comment/iss= ue, please bring it up to the mailing list. Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of i= nternet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:17 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-osp= f-08.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Co= mpatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-08.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2012-04-24 This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibil= ity-ospf-08.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibili= ty-ospf-08.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility= -ospf/ _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From mach.chen@huawei.com Tue Apr 24 18:56:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF9D21E8012 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:56:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8N1JbSsKTxVm for ; 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bh=xbI7XeJOV7194hwzJaSR8jh6Rww3NhhgddFlEeFEYtI=; b=neDw+ctRc0GOUaE4GMoBBmqdWSlKc0cZOY9135uSo2Kc1XSjtftLs9L/L816XAjBzY96E8gA+HcpgWzUDNQfKM8Sp8tv59S/8NEr+eIDCA+vDG7inhaPZ44ttZwBdt2V; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SN0Wx-0005aS-Ua; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:37:08 -0600 Message-ID: <4F97E1E5.2010308@labn.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:37:09 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mach Chen References: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A74EF@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8D6AAA.2000703@labn.net> <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247A7792@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> <4F8EABF1.6000103@labn.net> <4F94327D.6020200@labn.net> <4F9560E9.4070002@labn.net> <4F9691D3.6040001@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussions about draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:37:13 -0000 Mach, The two sentences/statements you reference are equivalent. I understand that the text in the first sentence (RFC4872) is open to misinterpretation. If you'd like, you can open an editorial errata on RFC4872 that states "unavailable to transport traffic (either normal or extra traffic)" should read "unavailable to transport traffic (both normal and extra traffic)" to avoid such misunderstanding of the parenthetical in the future. Lou On 4/24/2012 9:55 PM, Mach Chen wrote: > Lou, > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:43 PM >> To: Mach Chen >> Cc: Francesco Fondelli; Jie Dong; ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Discussions about >> draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb >> >> Mach, >> Glad we're down to one open point. >> >> On 4/23/2012 11:30 PM, Mach Chen wrote: >>> Since the A bit is used for lock instruct, why do we need to set the L bit? >> >> Because that's what the RFC says to do. >> >> Is there an issue with using the L bit, or do you just think it's >> unnecessary? > > Yes, I think it's unnecessary, the A bit should take precedence when both A and L bit are set. > > In addition, the L bit is designed to lock out either the normal or extra traffic: > Lockout (L): 1 bit > > When set, forces the recovery LSP to be temporarily unavailable > to transport traffic (either normal or extra traffic). > > But TP TI requires to lock out both normal and extra traffic. > > Best regards, > Mach >> >> Lou > > > > From mach.chen@huawei.com Wed Apr 25 23:40:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36AA121E8024 for ; 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Thanks, Igor From leeyoung@huawei.com Thu Apr 26 13:08:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADBD21F87A2 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:08:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Chc3WiCPdG4u for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F71621F87AA for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AFP35823; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.203) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:05:22 -0700 Received: from dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com ([169.254.16.128]) by dfweml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.203]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:05:20 -0700 From: Leeyoung To: Igor Bryskin , "gregb@grotto-networking.com" , "imajuku.wataru@lab.ntt.co.jp" , Hanjianrui Thread-Topic: Question about draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-07 Thread-Index: Ac0juhcZYjJClg3vRKm1fZMcX+MbuAALU+cQ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:05:19 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1720C92BD9@dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.146.104] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Question about draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:08:16 -0000 Hi Igor, Please refer to http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-c= onstraints-ospf-te-02 (OPSF extension for generic constraints). We defined a new Top Level TLV (Generic Node Attribute TLV) and connectivit= y Matrix is to put under this new TLV. (See section 7.1 of the above refere= nce) Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: Igor Bryskin [mailto:IBryskin@advaoptical.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:43 AM To: gregb@grotto-networking.com; Leeyoung; imajuku.wataru@lab.ntt.co.jp; Ha= njianrui Cc: CCAMP Subject: Question about draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-07=20 Dear Authors, If I am to advertise an asymmetric switch connectivity matrix, which TE top= level TLV I am supposed to include the Connectivity Matrix sub-TLV (per 2= .5.) ? Thanks, Igor From IBryskin@advaoptical.com Thu Apr 26 13:14:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62FC21F881D for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:14:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8bB1RscSMRPc for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.advaoptical.com (mail.advaoptical.com [91.217.199.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E0E21F8813 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MUC-SRV-MAIL10.advaoptical.com (muc-srv-mail10.advaoptical.com [172.20.1.59]) by muc-vsrv-fsmail.advaoptical.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3QKE2cQ013390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:14:02 +0200 Received: from ATL-SRV-MAIL10.atl.advaoptical.com (2002:5bd9:c7c8:8000:0:5efe:172.16.5.39) by MUC-SRV-MAIL10.advaoptical.com (2002:5bd9:c7c8:8000:0:5efe:172.20.1.59) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:14:02 +0200 Received: from ATL-SRV-MAIL10.atl.advaoptical.com ([fe80::c4d6:b136:bc16:77ae]) by atl-srv-mail10.atl.advaoptical.com ([fe80::c4d6:b136:bc16:77ae%17]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:13:59 -0400 From: Igor Bryskin To: Leeyoung , "gregb@grotto-networking.com" , "imajuku.wataru@lab.ntt.co.jp" , Hanjianrui Thread-Topic: Question about draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-07 Thread-Index: Ac0juhcZYjJClg3vRKm1fZMcX+MbuAALU+cQAABZgHA= Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:13:59 +0000 Message-ID: References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1720C92BD9@dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1720C92BD9@dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.21.1.111] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7580, 1.0.260, 0.0.0000 definitions=2012-04-26_07:2012-04-26, 2012-04-26, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Question about draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:14:13 -0000 Young, Thanks, when do you expect to have the Generic Node Attribute TLV type allo= cated from IANA? Thanks, Igor -----Original Message----- From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:05 PM To: Igor Bryskin; gregb@grotto-networking.com; imajuku.wataru@lab.ntt.co.jp= ; Hanjianrui Cc: CCAMP Subject: RE: Question about draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-07=20 Hi Igor, Please refer to http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-c= onstraints-ospf-te-02 (OPSF extension for generic constraints). We defined a new Top Level TLV (Generic Node Attribute TLV) and connectivit= y Matrix is to put under this new TLV. (See section 7.1 of the above refere= nce) Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: Igor Bryskin [mailto:IBryskin@advaoptical.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:43 AM To: gregb@grotto-networking.com; Leeyoung; imajuku.wataru@lab.ntt.co.jp; Ha= njianrui Cc: CCAMP Subject: Question about draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-07=20 Dear Authors, If I am to advertise an asymmetric switch connectivity matrix, which TE top= level TLV I am supposed to include the Connectivity Matrix sub-TLV (per 2= .5.) ? Thanks, Igor From leeyoung@huawei.com Thu Apr 26 13:21:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20E811E80A0 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TLcmkz+JK2Ux for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD8D21E802C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AFH35761; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.151) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:19:57 -0700 Received: from dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com ([169.254.16.128]) by dfweml403-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.151]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:19:27 -0700 From: Leeyoung To: Igor Bryskin , "gregb@grotto-networking.com" , "imajuku.wataru@lab.ntt.co.jp" , Hanjianrui Thread-Topic: Question about draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-07 Thread-Index: Ac0juhcZYjJClg3vRKm1fZMcX+MbuAALU+cQAABZgHAAACH9gA== Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:19:53 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1720C92BF7@dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1720C92BD9@dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.146.104] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Question about draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:21:44 -0000 Hi Igor, I believe it depends on the progress of other pending documents (info and g= eneric encoding). We are making some progress in closing all pending issues= now and my hope is to move this OSPF to WG LC sometime soon.=20 Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: Igor Bryskin [mailto:IBryskin@advaoptical.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:14 PM To: Leeyoung; gregb@grotto-networking.com; imajuku.wataru@lab.ntt.co.jp; Ha= njianrui Cc: CCAMP Subject: RE: Question about draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-07=20 Young, Thanks, when do you expect to have the Generic Node Attribute TLV type allo= cated from IANA? Thanks, Igor -----Original Message----- From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:05 PM To: Igor Bryskin; gregb@grotto-networking.com; imajuku.wataru@lab.ntt.co.jp= ; Hanjianrui Cc: CCAMP Subject: RE: Question about draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-07=20 Hi Igor, Please refer to http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-c= onstraints-ospf-te-02 (OPSF extension for generic constraints). We defined a new Top Level TLV (Generic Node Attribute TLV) and connectivit= y Matrix is to put under this new TLV. (See section 7.1 of the above refere= nce) Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: Igor Bryskin [mailto:IBryskin@advaoptical.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:43 AM To: gregb@grotto-networking.com; Leeyoung; imajuku.wataru@lab.ntt.co.jp; Ha= njianrui Cc: CCAMP Subject: Question about draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-07=20 Dear Authors, If I am to advertise an asymmetric switch connectivity matrix, which TE top= level TLV I am supposed to include the Connectivity Matrix sub-TLV (per 2= .5.) ? Thanks, Igor From zhangfatai@huawei.com Thu Apr 26 23:38:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B3B21F8734 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:38:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.704 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.704 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.901, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ajLtuvx5WvAb for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE28D21F8732 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by 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Hi Lou,

 

Please see in-line below.

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai

 

 

-----Original Message----- From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
Sent: 2012=C4=EA4=D4=C224= =C8=D5 0:52
To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Daniele Ceccarelli
Cc: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org; Fatai Zh= ang
Subject: Re: R: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-sign= aling-g709v3-02

 

Sergio,

    &nbs= p;    See below.

 

On 4/19/2012 11:03 AM, BELOT= TI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote:

> Hi Lou,

>

>

> For question 1)

>

>

> TSG is an adaptation in= formation that has meaning only in the context

> of OTN multiplexing. No= thing to do with G-PID that obviously has to

> carry information regar= ding client so, ODUj. Moreover TSG information

> could not be done with = G-PID, because this TSG information only makes

> sense to the penultimat= e hop and G-PID cannot specify 1.25 or 2.5G so

> far. In this case,47 (O= DUj) will be carried in G-PID.

 

This could equally be accomp= lished using 2 G-PID values, e.g.,

47=3DODUj-2.5G TSG, 48-ODUj-= 1.25G ( or 3 if you also want one to indicate

either.)

 

BTW you might want to reread= the definition of G-PID with respect to

penultimate hop.<= /span>

&= nbsp;

[Fat= ai] Your suggestion makes sense. I think either way is OK. We could use 2 G= -PID values if WG prefer to this way.

 

>

> For question 2)

>

>

> Hierarchy information h= as been introduced to help penultimate hop

> (always in case ERO inf= ormation are not exhaustive) choosing the

> right interface e.g. tw= o interfaces supporting both the correct TSG

> but not the same client= hierarchy. This added information is used to

> guarantee the possibili= ty about the correct

> multiplexing/demultiple= xing process.

>

> G-PID at the moment con= sider a number of codes that does not cover

> all the different =A1=B0= mapping=A1=B1 used f= or the same carried payload e.g.

> typical example is 10Gb= Eth. So we added Swtiching Cap and Encoding

> information like the OT= N layers + adaptation field , in order to

> better distinguish also= the client OTN layer. Exploiting on the

> G-PID, can bring two pr= oblems:

>

>

> a)    We= would need to add G-PID information inside the new Type new

> object , having a not-h= omogeneous  format with respect the other

> layers.

>

> b)    As= said before, it wouldn=A1=AFt be exhaustive wit= h respect real

> mapping beyond the same= payload.

 

I'm sorry, I don't understan= d how this answers the following:

 

&= nbsp;

>> So what does it mea= n in a type 2 TLV to have a "non OTN signal types"

>> and GFP mappings?&n= bsp; It seems that these both cover cases beyond ODU

>> H-LSPs, am I wrong?=

 

[Fat= ai] What did you mean by saying =A1=B0non = OTN signal types=A1=B1? Did you mean removing =A1=B0Switching Type=A1=B1 & =A1=B0Encoding Type=A1=B1? For mapping, there are different encapsulation protocols when ODUj multipl= exes into ODUk, it may need to specify this information when an FA-LSP is t= o be created.

&= nbsp;

 

Lou

 

>

> Best Regards=

>

> Sergio and Daniele

>

> -----Messaggio original= e-----

> Da: ccamp-bounces@ietf.= org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] Per conto di Lou Berger

> Inviato: marted<= span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=A8=AC 17 aprile 2012 13.48

> A: Fatai Zhang

> Cc: CCAMP; draft-ietf-c= camp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org

> Oggetto: Re: [CCAMP] A = couple of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02=

>

> Fatai,

>     = ; See below.

>

> On 4/17/2012 5:34 AM, F= atai Zhang wrote:

>> Hi Lou,<= /span>

>> 

>> Great points.<= /o:p>

>> 

>> For point 1, the Ad= aption object in this draft is used to carry only

>> OTN specific inform= ation that is needed to create an ODU FA-LSP to

>> carry one specific = ODU signal,

>

> Well I can see this for= Type 2 (Hierarchy signaling), but for FA/H-LSP +

> Type 1 (Server TSG sign= aling) it seems that the same could be done with

> G-PID.  If you dis= agree, what do you expect to carry in G-PID in the ODU

> H-LSP case?<= /span>

>

>> but the other paylo= ad types (ie. other

>> information in the = table 15-8) should be still carried in G-PID as

>> defined in RFC3471.=

>

> So what does it mean in= a type 2 TLV to have a "non OTN signal types"<= /p>

> and GFP mappings? = It seems that these both cover cases beyond ODU

> H-LSPs, am I wrong?

>

> Lou

>

>> 

>> For point 2, good s= uggestion. I just checked RFC4420, I agree with

>> you that it is bett= er to put this information in LSP attributes,

>> which is used to si= gnal attributes required in   support of an LSP,

>> or to indicate the = nature or use of an LSP where that information is

>> not required to be = acted on by all transit LSRs.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Thanks

>> 

>> Fatai

>> 

>> 

>> -----Original Messa= ge-----

>> From: ccamp-bounces= @ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger

>> Sent: 2012=C4=EA4<= /span>=D4=C216=C8=D5 22:56

>> To: draft-ietf-ccam= p-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org

>> Cc: CCAMP

>> Subject: [CCAMP] A = couple of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02=

>> 

>> Authors,=

>> 

>> This message is a f= ollow on to the discussion that we started to have in

>> Paris on the ADAPTA= TION Object.  I have two comments, the second of

>> which I didn't have= time (during the presentation time period) to make:

>> 

>> 1) Can you explain/= justify why you are proposing carrying a subset of

>> the Payload type co= de points defined in G.709 (see Table 15-8) in the

>> ADAPTATION Object, = but not others?

>> 

>> I'm not questioning= the need for an end-to-end adaptation check, but

>> rather an apparent = incomplete method for supporting this check.

>> 

>> 2) Given the very l= imited number of remaining RSVP c-type values, I'm

>> struggling with jus= tifying the definition of the new, perhaps not very

>> generic, ADAPTATION= Object rather than carrying this information in an

>> existing (and more = generic) object.  Have you considered carrying this<= /p>

>> information elsewhe= re, e.g., LSP attributes, and if so what's your

>> thinking for not us= ing such?

>> 

>> Lou (As WG particip= ant)

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--_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF82CBF1DC1SZXEML520MBSchi_-- From lberger@labn.net Fri Apr 27 05:18:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7466D21F87C4 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:18:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.893 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.893 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.182, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yWnavi9sdN5y for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CD1D21F87A9 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 05:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23478 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 2012 12:18:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2012 12:18:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=eWVy/bMXimrMYpvz3+RHqrZAm8sJ5FQghCFZ6HG2YyM=; b=DrUE3ysnItlM4UQlwQqJjWM9YCalV3ek4AVTRmjgOolUM0YwbfiOrdEDiS9N2ybA/q9sgb1JH0YB4wR8+gkbGsQAPmKR/mWEdyHrZ6gyQiV9TY6eaKkqdcds/uOpGoED; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNk8P-0008Db-Oa; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:18:50 -0600 Message-ID: <4F9A8EA9.9070502@labn.net> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:18:49 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fatai Zhang References: <4F8C32EE.2030105@labn.net> <4F8D588B.7010408@labn.net> <4F95889E.5030803@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] R: A couple of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:18:56 -0000 Fatai, Authors, see below. On 4/27/2012 2:36 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Please see in-line below. > > Thanks > > Fatai > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: 2012Äê4ÔÂ24ÈÕ 0:52 > To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Daniele Ceccarelli > Cc: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org; Fatai > Zhang > Subject: Re: R: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 > > Sergio, > > See below. > > On 4/19/2012 11:03 AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote: > >> Hi Lou, >> For question 1) >> TSG is an adaptation information that has meaning only in the context >> of OTN multiplexing. Nothing to do with G-PID that obviously has to >> carry information regarding client so, ODUj. Moreover TSG information >> could not be done with G-PID, because this TSG information only makes >> sense to the penultimate hop and G-PID cannot specify 1.25 or 2.5G so >> far. In this case,47 (ODUj) will be carried in G-PID. > > This could equally be accomplished using 2 G-PID values, e.g., > 47=ODUj-2.5G TSG, 48-ODUj-1.25G ( or 3 if you also want one to indicate > either.) > BTW you might want to reread the definition of G-PID with respect to > penultimate hop. > > [Fatai] Your suggestion makes sense. I think either way is OK. We could > use 2 G-PID values if WG prefer to this way. > If you're okay either way, why are you even leaving the door open for defining a new mechanism to do what can already be done with an existing mechanisms? IMO, do so when there is no strong technical motivation is simply wrong. Do you (or anyone else) see any reason to justify not using the existing mechanism? >> >> For question 2) >> >> >> Hierarchy information has been introduced to help penultimate hop >> (always in case ERO information are not exhaustive) choosing the >> right interface e.g. two interfaces supporting both the correct TSG >> but not the same client hierarchy. This added information is used to >> guarantee the possibility about the correct >> multiplexing/demultiplexing process. >> >> G-PID at the moment consider a number of codes that does not cover >> all the different ¡°mapping¡± used for the same carried payload e.g. >> typical example is 10Gb Eth. So we added Swtiching Cap and Encoding >> information like the OTN layers + adaptation field , in order to >> better distinguish also the client OTN layer. Exploiting on the >> G-PID, can bring two problems: >> >> >> a) We would need to add G-PID information inside the new Type new >> object , having a not-homogeneous format with respect the other >> layers. >> >> b) As said before, it wouldn¡¯t be exhaustive with respect real >> mapping beyond the same payload. > > I'm sorry, I don't understand how this answers the following: > >>> So what does it mean in a type 2 TLV to have a "non OTN signal types" >>> and GFP mappings? It seems that these both cover cases beyond ODU >>> H-LSPs, am I wrong? > > [Fatai] What did you mean by saying ¡°non OTN signal types¡±? Values mapping to anything but PT=20 or PT=21. > Did you mean > removing ¡°Switching Type¡± & ¡°Encoding Type¡±? No. What I'm really trying to understand is why the mapping field just doesn't carry Payload Type as defined in G.709. An earlier response, as I understood it, said that G-PID will carry client payload types and that mapping is used to indicate intra-ODU information. This led to me asking about the GFP (-F and -T) mapping values. > For mapping, there are > different encapsulation protocols when ODUj multiplexes into ODUk, it > may need to specify this information when an FA-LSP is to be created. > So clearly there is some misunderstanding here. Probably mine. So the field in question is the mapping field of the Hierarchy TLV which has the following definition: Mapping: This field indicates the mapping function used in each client-server relationship of the hierarchy. The values of this field are listed below: Value Type ----- ------ 0 Reserved 1 AMP 2 BMP 3 GMP 4 GFP-F 5 GFP-T 6-255 Reserved So my first point (why not just carry PT values) comes from the narrative. If this field is just for intra-ODU mappings, then "each client-server relationship" should be replaced with "each ODU mapping relationship". In looking at G.709 is see that *only* AMP and GMP are used to support ODUj -> ODUk multiplexing. So this lead me to the question about GFP. Your mail has triggered my taking yet another look at G.709, I see that BMP is used in supporting CBR clients, GFP-T is only mentioned as supporting 1000BASE-X, and GFP-F can support multiple (packet) client types. I don't see where BMP or GFP (-F and -T) are used when "ODUj multiplexes into ODUk". What am I missing something? Please be specific in your references to the appropriate ITU-T documents so that we can close on this. It seems to me that mapping needs to carry all possible payload type values so that the g-pid of the outermost ODU LSP can indicate the type of traffic being carried (e.g., MPLS, IP, ethernet, STM-64, etc.), but your position leads me to believe that I'm missing something here too. To clarify, for the example of an ODU LSP that carries Ethernet over GFP-F (over some ODUk), what would be the G-PID and Hierarchy TLV? Thanks, Lou > [rest deleted] From adrian@olddog.co.uk Mon Apr 30 02:19:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A580C21F85A0 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:19:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 63xY6ax0xBYC for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (asmtp5.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.176]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E958121F8551 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q3U9J3H1003072; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:19:03 +0100 Received: from 950129200 ([94.116.35.189]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q3U9IqCT002820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:18:59 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , "Lou Berger" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:18:15 +0100 Message-ID: <06e101cd26b2$45eb86f0$d1c294d0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJvqjtfE2f/k1KmtYyUF9LBktHj5JVuDwLw Content-Language: en-gb Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Please publish draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info-03.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:19:11 -0000 Congratulations on a very clear document. I found one nit during AD review which is not worth handling at this stage. I have recorded it as an RFC Editor note that we can pick up if a respin is needed, or leave for the RFC Editor. I will go ahead and issue the IETF last call. Cheers, Adrian RFC Editor Note Section 2.1 OLD It is explicitly defined as having both general application and specific use within the context of recovery. End-to- end recovery usage is defined in [RFC4872] and is covered in Section 2.2. Segment recovery usage is defined in [RFC4873] and is covered in Section 2.3. Resource sharing LSP association is also defined in [RFC4873], while strictly speaking such association is beyond the scope of this document, for completeness it is covered in Section 2.4. NEW It is explicitly defined as having both general application and specific use within the context of recovery. End-to- end recovery usage is defined in [RFC4872] and is covered in Section 2.2 of this document. Segment recovery usage is defined in [RFC4873] and is covered in Section 2.3 of this document. Resource sharing LSP association is also defined in [RFC4873], while strictly speaking such association is beyond the scope of this document, for completeness it is covered in Section 2.4 of this document END From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Mon Apr 30 09:28:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618FC21F87A0; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:28:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SZH-iX4HWGGt; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74E921F873A; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120430162836.27360.11248.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:28:36 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Last Call: (Usage of The RSVP Association Object) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:28:37 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG (ccamp) to consider the following document: - 'Usage of The RSVP Association Object' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-05-14. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract The RSVP ASSOCIATION object was defined in the context of GMPLS (Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching) controlled label switched paths (LSPs). In this context, the object is used to associate recovery LSPs with the LSP they are protecting. This document reviews how association is to be provided in the context of GMPLS recovery. No new procedures or mechanisms are defined by this document and it is strictly informative in nature. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.