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On 5/3/2012 4:07 AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote: > Lou, > > See in line marked AUTHORS and attached mail from which we extracted for your convenience a part on your thoughts regarding G-PID. > > Best Regards > > AUTHORS > > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Inviato: venerd¨¬ 27 aprile 2012 14.19 > A: Fatai Zhang > Cc: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Daniele Ceccarelli; CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org > Oggetto: Re: R: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 > > Fatai, Authors, see below. > > > On 4/27/2012 2:36 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >> Hi Lou, >> >> Please see in-line below. >> >> Thanks >> >> Fatai >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: 2012Äê4ÔÂ24ÈÕ 0:52 >> To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Daniele Ceccarelli >> Cc: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org; Fatai >> Zhang >> Subject: Re: R: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on >> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 >> >> Sergio, >> >> See below. >> >> On 4/19/2012 11:03 AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote: >> >>> Hi Lou, >>> For question 1) >>> TSG is an adaptation information that has meaning only in the context >>> of OTN multiplexing. Nothing to do with G-PID that obviously has to >>> carry information regarding client so, ODUj. Moreover TSG information >>> could not be done with G-PID, because this TSG information only makes >>> sense to the penultimate hop and G-PID cannot specify 1.25 or 2.5G so >>> far. In this case,47 (ODUj) will be carried in G-PID. >> >> This could equally be accomplished using 2 G-PID values, e.g., >> 47=ODUj-2.5G TSG, 48-ODUj-1.25G ( or 3 if you also want one to indicate >> either.) >> BTW you might want to reread the definition of G-PID with respect to >> penultimate hop. >> >> [Fatai] Your suggestion makes sense. I think either way is OK. We could >> use 2 G-PID values if WG prefer to this way. >> > >> If you're okay either way, why are you even leaving the door open for >> defining a new mechanism to do what can already be done with an existing >> mechanisms? IMO, do so when there is no strong technical motivation is >> simply wrong. > >> Do you (or anyone else) see any reason to justify not using the existing > mechanism? > > AUTHORS> Lou, we attached a mail sent by you in September , during the long discussion, in which we proposed the usage of G-PID to carry TSG information and you had different opinion. > During this long mails exchange , you suggested to use Encoding Type to carry TSG information. At the end, we , as authors, suggested to use a new object to be more open also to possible extension (like adaptation info). > > This is the story of this issue and this is why we did not fall again into G-PID option. What is changed ? > Good question/catch. As I recall the quoted discussion, it was focused on the non-hierarchical LSP case and my comments were made in that context. My understanding from this current discussion is that the new G-PID values would *only* be used in the hierarchy-case. You may have also missed my comment on the list that was sent *after* the mail that you attached: On 10/25/2011 6:37 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > 5) Note that the Encoding field may be impacted by the still unresolved > discussion related to TSG/PT that took place a couple of weeks ago on > the list. (I'm personally leaning towards representing PT in encoding > as this better matches what happens in the data plane and is more > closely aligned to the general definition of the encoding field.) Your question also triggered me to remember a key difference in how this problem is often discussed and how G.709 represents it. IMO GMPLS modeling/support should match G.709 to the maximum extent possible, so my example should have been in terms of Payload Type. That is: > 2 G-PID values, e.g., 47=ODUj-2.5G TSG, 48-ODUj-1.25G should have been 2 G-PID values, e.g.,47=ODUj-AMP (G.709 PT=0x20), 48-ODUj-GMP (G.709 PT=0x20) [The following was inserted from the old thread] > -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: mercoled¨¬ 28 settembre 2011 17.37 >> To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >> Cc: CCAMP; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO) >> Subject: Re: R: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >> >> >> Sergio and Pietro, >> >> It sounds like we should get in-sync on where TSG information is >> needed first then talk about how to carry it. So, I said: >> >>> As I understand it, TSG is needed at: >>> (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper >>> adaptation. >>> (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper >>> interface/H-LSP selection. >>> (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. >>> >> >> >From your mail, I infer that you agree on (a) and (b). Is this correct? >> [[ALU]] We agree on (a) and (b). > > Good. To me, as I mentioned in my first mail on this thread, this means that G-PID isn't the right place to carry this information. > > On 9/27/2011 9:20 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client > adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only supports > need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate TSG > [The above was inserted from the old thread, now back to the current thread] >>> >>> For question 2) >>> >>> >>> Hierarchy information has been introduced to help penultimate hop >>> (always in case ERO information are not exhaustive) choosing the >>> right interface e.g. two interfaces supporting both the correct TSG >>> but not the same client hierarchy. This added information is used to >>> guarantee the possibility about the correct >>> multiplexing/demultiplexing process. >>> >>> G-PID at the moment consider a number of codes that does not cover >>> all the different ¡°mapping¡± used for the same carried payload e.g. >>> typical example is 10Gb Eth. So we added Swtiching Cap and Encoding >>> information like the OTN layers + adaptation field , in order to >>> better distinguish also the client OTN layer. Exploiting on the >>> G-PID, can bring two problems: >>> >>> >>> a) We would need to add G-PID information inside the new Type new >>> object , having a not-homogeneous format with respect the other >>> layers. >>> >>> b) As said before, it wouldn¡¯t be exhaustive with respect real >>> mapping beyond the same payload. >> >> I'm sorry, I don't understand how this answers the following: >> >>>> So what does it mean in a type 2 TLV to have a "non OTN signal types" >>>> and GFP mappings? It seems that these both cover cases beyond ODU >>>> H-LSPs, am I wrong? >> >> [Fatai] What did you mean by saying ¡°non OTN signal types¡±? > > Values mapping to anything but PT=20 or PT=21. > >> Did you mean >> removing ¡°Switching Type¡± & ¡°Encoding Type¡±? > > No. What I'm really trying to understand is why the mapping field just > doesn't carry Payload Type as defined in G.709. > > An earlier response, as I understood it, said that G-PID will carry > client payload types and that mapping is used to indicate intra-ODU > information. This led to me asking about the GFP (-F and -T) mapping > values. > >> For mapping, there are >> different encapsulation protocols when ODUj multiplexes into ODUk, it >> may need to specify this information when an FA-LSP is to be created. >> > > So clearly there is some misunderstanding here. Probably mine. So the > field in question is the mapping field of the Hierarchy TLV which has > the following definition: > > Mapping: This field indicates the mapping function used in each > client-server relationship of the hierarchy. The values of this > field are listed below: > > Value Type > ----- ------ > 0 Reserved > 1 AMP > 2 BMP > 3 GMP > 4 GFP-F > 5 GFP-T > 6-255 Reserved > > So my first point (why not just carry PT values) comes from the > narrative. If this field is just for intra-ODU mappings, then "each > client-server relationship" should be replaced with "each ODU mapping > relationship". > > In looking at G.709 is see that *only* AMP and GMP are used to support > ODUj -> ODUk multiplexing. So this lead me to the question about GFP. > > Your mail has triggered my taking yet another look at G.709, I see that > BMP is used in supporting CBR clients, GFP-T is only mentioned as > supporting 1000BASE-X, and GFP-F can support multiple (packet) client > types. > > I don't see where BMP or GFP (-F and -T) are used when "ODUj multiplexes > into ODUk". What am I missing something? Please be specific in your > references to the appropriate ITU-T documents so that we can close on this. > > It seems to me that mapping needs to carry all possible payload type > values so that the g-pid of the outermost ODU LSP can indicate the type > of traffic being carried (e.g., MPLS, IP, ethernet, STM-64, etc.), but > your position leads me to believe that I'm missing something here too. > To clarify, for the example of an ODU LSP that carries Ethernet over > GFP-F (over some ODUk), what would be the G-PID and Hierarchy TLV? > > AUTHORS> Lou, where from the narrative above describing the "mapping" > field is said that we refer to "intra-ODU mappings" ? The meaning of > this field is to give information about not what is "the carried > payload" already contained in the G-PID but "how" this payload is > carried . How which payload is carried? so G-PID, encoding and the other parameters of an LSP relate to the layer of the hierarchy represented by the LSP. It was my understanding that the purpose of the ADAPTATION Object (at least for the type 2 TLV) was to represent the N (where N>1) layers of the hierarchy *above* the LSP being signaled. Is this correct or am I mistaken? IMO representation of the N (where N>1) layers above LSP being signaled is something new, i.e., can't be represented supported in current semantics, so a new mechanism is warranted. If the purpose of the object is to represent information at the layer of the LSP being signaled, existing mechanisms must be reused/leveraged if at all possible. > This information is needed both for intra-ODU mapping case > and inter-mapping case, since this info is not present in any of the > actual GMPLS field TLV. > > value 54 Ethernet MAC (framed GFP) G.709 ODUk > > but we have more that one "mapping" e.g. of the same payload 10GbE into ODU2 > > G.7041 and G.709, defines respectively: > > 10GbE --> GFP-F (G.7041, Table 6-3: UPI=0x13 [ Frame-mapped 64B/66B encoded Ethernet, including the Ethernet frame preamble ]) > > 10GbE--> extended OPU2/ODU2 (G.709, Table 15-8: PT=0x09 [ GFP mapping > 10GbE--> into Extended > OPU2 payload, see clause 17.4.1 ]) > > Please not that this is not the mapping using UPI=0x01 and PT=0x05 > I'm really confused. This text implies (to me) that the Hierarchy TLV may represent information at the ODU layer of the LSP, but this seems to contradict the draft which says: A Hierarchy TLV for each branch of the client signal multiplexing supported by the server LSP MUST be used. ... Which way is it? > To solve this issue there are three possibilities: > > a) Adding new G-PID values to be able to distinguish different mapping --> clearly overloading the G-PID meaning > G-PID is an indicator of the the client payload type, carried by an LSP. Encoding says how the payload type is encoded "on the wire (LSP)". If we can use these, then we should. If the Hierarchy TLV really just relates to the N (where N>1) layers above LSP being signaled, then this the TLV makes sense. > b) Update the LSP encoding type supporting for example these PID's. > > Actually, LSP Encoding Type per RFC 4328 include the following values: > > Value Type > ----- ---- > 12 G.709 ODUk (Digital Path) > 13 G.709 Optical Channel > > you may thus need a new value for the Type G.709 ODUke (Digital Path) as mapping for 10 GbE extended ODD mode. > > 54 Ethernet MAC (framed GFP) G.709 ODUk, ODUke (and SDH) > 55 Ethernet PHY (transparent GFP) G.709 ODUk, ODUke (and SDH) > If new encoding are needed to represent a non-ODU client signal, then we should define them and not invent a new place to carry them. > c) Introduce a new TLV specifically for ADAPTATION information. > > As said during past months, our preference was for a new object, > maintaining compatibility with the meaning of already defined TLV > fields and providing a more cleaner solution. > I agree that a new mechanism makes sense for the representation of the N (where N>1) layers above LSP being signaled as there is no current alternative in GMPLS. > Last, to answer your question , in case of your example of Ethernet > over ODU we would have a G-PID (=54 - Ethernet) and a Hierarchy TLV > saying: Ethernet over ODU with mapping = GFP-F. > So, again you're saying that ADAPTATION Object applies to the layer of the LSP being signaled. Right? Lou > > Hope this clarify the issue. > > > Thanks, > Lou > >> [rest deleted] From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue May 8 07:21:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CFB21F8473; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:21:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.229 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.229 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.370, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0WZaDyEI-Aiv; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F55C21F845C; Tue, 8 May 2012 07:21:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120508142158.27407.52652.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 07:21:58 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-13.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 14:21:58 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. 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SMTP; 9 May 2012 12:35:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=7yb3hU9PIoVGOrS5/i4czVZlaVf8q4DaJFHL8z4Wy+8=; b=UolmDWGtAx9lPSXtwsFXrgZLLACB9ZKpiUkBtEeeIfKIJ3mOHDfAfpdqs81vkwDACHgBpksp5YkKIcUVVjDBARjQLlnpQ2tpYmmx2xkvd1w80VtEuPiCi7AAA0VS/FlP; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SS66e-000814-H9; Wed, 09 May 2012 06:35:00 -0600 Message-ID: <4FAA6475.7010800@labn.net> Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 08:35:01 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fatai Zhang References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-06 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 12:35:03 -0000 Fatai, I think this text addresses most of my comments. Please see responses inline below. On 5/8/2012 10:05 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Lou, > > We provided some text to refine the whole section 5.5. > > Please review this text and comments or suggestions are welcome. > > Note that we will also bring this to the list for discussion later. > Looks like you already have, which seems best to me. > > Authors > > > ________________________________________ > ·¢¼þÈË: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] ´ú±í Fatai Zhang [zhangfatai@huawei.com] > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä: 2012Äê3ÔÂ29ÈÕ 17:01 > µ½: Lou Berger; CCAMP > Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org > Ö÷Ìâ: [CCAMP] ´ð¸´: comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-06 > > Hi Lou, > > Yes, correct for all questions. I think we have the common understanding. > > Let's refine the text, :-) > > > Thanks > > Fatai > > > ________________________________________ > ·¢¼þÈË: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] ´ú±í Lou Berger [lberger@labn.net] > ·¢ËÍʱ¼ä: 2012Äê3ÔÂ28ÈÕ 23:53 > µ½: CCAMP > Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org > Ö÷Ìâ: [CCAMP] comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-06 > > Hi, > I have some comments on the following text: > > 5.5. Implications for Control Plane Backward Compatibility > > Assume [RFC4328] has been deployed to control the OTN networks > supporting [G709-V1], control plane backward compatibility needs to > be taken into consideration. Scenarios for backward compatibility are > described as follows: > > o Legacy OTN devices supporting [G709-V1] may run control plane > protocol defined in [RFC4328]; > > o Legacy OTN devices supporting [G709-V1] may also support new OTN > control plane characterized in this document after control plane > updating; > > o New OTN devices supporting [G709-V3] always support new OTN > control plane characterized in this document; > > o New OTN devices SHOULD support falling back to [RFC4328] for > interworking scenarios. > > Based on these scenarios, control plane backward compatibility SHOULD > be taken into account when interworking between the new control plane > characterized in this document and the legacy control plane defined > in [RFC4328]. > > A new Switching Capability type is required for control of [G709-V3] > in the routing and signaling to enable the backward procedure. > > I'm having a hard time parsing the intent of this section. I'd like to > ask some questions at the higher level first, rather than focusing on > specific text. (Which we can move on to once we have a common > understanding.) > > I suspect your intent is to say (stated informally): > > 1) There may be networks that are composed of nodes that only support > the legacy OTN approach. Such nodes and networks are out of scope of > this and the other OTNv3 documents. -- Correct? > Looks like the new text doesn't discuss this case, which seems appropriate. > 2) There may be networks that are composed of nodes that all support the > new OTNv3 control plane documents. Such nodes and networks have no > control plane backwards compatibility issue. -- Correct? > Again, looks like the new text is silent on this point. Not sure if this is the best approach or not, but it at least implies that such cases don't have compatibility issues. > 3) That there may be networks composed of a mixture of nodes, some that > support the legacy RFCs and others that support the new OTNv3 control > plane documents. For these, the new routing and signaling documents must > support this case. -- Correct? Looks like this is covered. > > 4) Based on the routing and signaling drafts, I think this document > should also describe the approach taken by those documents at a (high) > sufficient level for them to deliver a consistent solutions. > > From the ospf document see that support for both old and new routing > approaches MUST be supported. Signaling can use that information to > determine when to start signaling using old/new mode. Also there are > cases there that information won't be available, so signaling still has > to handle the case where a new message arrives at a legacy node. -- Is > this correct? Looks like you cover these cases now too. Although you are using RFC2119 conformance language, which isn't appropriate for an informational document. I suggest rephrasing to describe the high-level approach being taken and leave specific mechanisms/requirements to the protocol documents (i.e., provide only narrative text). Thanks, Lou > > Again, once we have common understanding, we can worry about wordsmithing. > > > Thanks, > Lou > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com Thu May 10 07:05:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADD221F8637 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 07:05:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.665 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.665 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.382, BAYES_00=-2.599, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=1, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, MISSING_SUBJECT=1.762, 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Lou,=

 

see our comments= in line, we hope to have reached a common understanding

 

AUTHORS

 

-----Messaggio originale-----=

Da: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]

Inviato: domenica 6 maggio 20= 12 18.32

A: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)

Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; CCAMP= ; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org; Fatai Zhang

Oggetto: Re: R: = R: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02<= o:p>

 

 

Sergio, Authors,=

  &nbs= p;         See below for in-line response.

 

On 5/3/2012 4:07= AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote:

> Lou,

> =

> See in line= marked AUTHORS and attached mail from which we extracted for your convenience a pa= rt on your thoughts regarding G-PID.

>

> Best Regards<= /span>

>

> AUTHORS

>

>  =

> -----Messaggio originale= -----

> Da: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]

> Inviato: venerd= =A8=AC= 27 aprile 2012 14.19

> A: Fatai Zhang

> Cc: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SER= GIO); Daniele Ceccarelli; CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org

> Oggetto: Re= : R: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02<= o:p>

> =

> Fatai, Auth= ors, see below.

> =

> =

> On 4/27/201= 2 2:36 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote:

>> Hi Lou,=

>>&nb= sp;

>> Please = see in-line below.

>>&nb= sp;

>> Thanks<= o:p>

>>&nb= sp;

>> Fatai

>>&nb= sp;

>> -----Or= iginal Message-----

>> From: L= ou Berger [= mailto:lberger@labn.net]

>> Sent: 2012=C4=EA4=D4=C224=C8=D5 0:52

>> To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Daniele Ceccarelli

>> Cc: CCA= MP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org; Fatai

>> Zhang

>> Subject= : Re: R: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on

>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02

>>&nb= sp;

>> Sergio,=

>>&nb= sp;

>> &n= bsp;        See below.

>>&nb= sp;

>> On 4/19= /2012 11:03 AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote:

>>&nb= sp;

>>> Hi = Lou,

>>> For question 1)

>>> TSG= is an adaptation information that has meaning only in the context

>>> of = OTN multiplexing. Nothing to do with G-PID that obviously has to

>>> car= ry information regarding client so, ODUj. Moreover TSG information<= /span>

>>> cou= ld not be done with G-PID, because this TSG information only makes

>>> sen= se to the penultimate hop and G-PID cannot specify 1.25 or 2.5G so

>>> far= . In this case,47 (ODUj) will be carried in G-PID.

>>&nb= sp;

>> This co= uld equally be accomplished using 2 G-PID values, e.g.,

>> 47=3DOD= Uj-2.5G TSG, 48-ODUj-1.25G ( or 3 if you also want one to indicate

>> either.= )

>> BTW you= might want to reread the definition of G-PID with respect to

>> penulti= mate hop.

>>&nb= sp;

>> [Fatai]= Your suggestion makes sense. I think either way is OK. We could

>> use 2 G= -PID values if WG prefer to this way.

>>&nb= sp;

> =

>> If you'= re okay either way, why are you even leaving the door open for

>> definin= g a new mechanism to do what can already be done with an existing=

>> mechanisms?  IMO, do so when there is no strong technical motivation i= s

>> simply = wrong.

> =

>> Do you = (or anyone else) see any reason to justify not using the existing

> mechanism?<= o:p>

> =

> AUTHORS>= Lou, we attached a mail sent by you in September , during the long discussion, in w= hich we proposed the usage of G-PID to carry TSG information and you had differe= nt opinion.

> During this= long mails exchange , you suggested to use Encoding Type to carry TSG informatio= n. At the end, we , as authors, suggested to use a new object to be more open als= o to possible extension (like adaptation info).

> =

> This is the= story of this issue and this is why we did not fall again into G-PID option. What= is changed ?

> =

 

  &nbs= p;         Good question/catch.  As I recall the quoted discussion, it was focused

on the non-hiera= rchical LSP case and my comments were made in that

context.  M= y understanding from this current discussion is that the new

G-PID values wou= ld *only* be used in the hierarchy-case.

 

AUTHORS> Wher= e to put information regarding TSG is valid both for non-hierarchical as well as for hierarchical.

So, discussion w= e had are valid now as before.

 

You may have als= o missed my comment on the list that was sent *after*

the mail that yo= u attached:

 

AUTHORS> No ,= we remember very well your preference for Encoding option.

 

On 10/25/2011 6:= 37 PM, Lou Berger wrote:

> 5) Note tha= t the Encoding field may be impacted by the still unresolved

> discussion = related to TSG/PT that took place a couple of weeks ago on=

> the list.&n= bsp; (I'm personally leaning towards representing PT in encoding

> as this bet= ter matches what happens in the data plane and is more=

> closely ali= gned to the general definition of the encoding field.)

 

Your question al= so triggered me to remember a key difference in how

this problem is = often discussed and how G.709 represents it.  IMO GMPLS

modeling/support= should match G.709 to the maximum extent possible, so

my example shoul= d have been in terms of Payload Type.  That is:

> 2 G-PID val= ues, e.g., 47=3DODUj-2.5G TSG, 48-ODUj-1.25G

should have been=

2 G-PID values, e.g.,47=3DODUj-AMP (G.709 PT=3D0x20), 48-ODUj-GMP (G.709<= /font>

PT=3D0x20)<= /o:p>

 

AUTHORS> Lou,= obviously, as discussed time ago, G-PID can be used for this purpose even if , we concluded together it is not the best choice.

 

Our proposal to = use a new object was also to avoid changing (or overloading) meaning of G-PID.

Said that nothin= g prevent to come back to G-PID.

You example abov= e is anyway wrong : there is no ODUj GMP mapping with PT=3D20.=

So you should ha= ve e.g.:

 

new  G-PID = value =3D ODUj-AMP (PT=3D20 TSG=3D2.5)

new G-PID value&= nbsp; =3D ODUj-AMP (PT=3D20 TSG=3D1.25) (ODU0-->OPU1)

new G-PID value = =3D ODUj-AMP (PT=3D21 TSG=3D1.25)

new G-PID value =  =3D ODUj-GMP (PT=3D21 TSG=3D1.25)

 

Is it this solut= ion preferable than a new object ?

 

[The following w= as inserted from the old thread]

> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Lou = Berger [= mailto:lberger@labn.net]

>> Sent: merc= oled=A8=AC 28 settembre 2011 17.37

>> To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)

>> Cc: CCAMP; GRANDI, P= IETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO)

>> Subject= : Re: R: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG

>>&nb= sp;

>>&nb= sp;

>> Sergio = and Pietro,

>>&nb= sp;

>> It soun= ds like we should get in-sync on where TSG information is =

>> needed = first then talk about how to carry it.  So, I said:=

>>&nb= sp;

>>> As = I understand it, TSG is needed at:

>>>&nbs= p;  (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper=

>>>&nbs= p;      adaptation.

>>>&nbs= p;  (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper

>>>&nbs= p;      interface/H-LSP selection.

>>>&nbs= p;  (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation.

>>> 

>>&nb= sp;

>> >Fro= m your mail, I infer that you agree on (a) and (b).  Is this correct?

>> [[ALU]]= We agree on (a) and (b).

> =

> Good. = To me, as I mentioned in my first mail on this thread, this means that G-PID isn't= the right place to carry this information.

> =

> On 9/27/201= 1 9:20 AM, Lou Berger wrote:

>  =    Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client<= /span>

>  =    adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only supports

>  =    need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate TSG

> =

 

[The above was i= nserted from the old thread, now back to the current thread]

>>> 

>>> For question 2)

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hie= rarchy information has been introduced to help penultimate hop

>>> (al= ways in case ERO information are not exhaustive) choosing the

>>> rig= ht interface e.g. two interfaces supporting both the correct TSG

>>> but= not the same client hierarchy. This added information is used to<= /font>

>>> gua= rantee the possibility about the correct

>>> multiplexing/demultiplexing process.

>>> 

>>> G-P= ID at the moment consider a number of codes that does not cover=

>>> all= the different =A1=B0mapping=A1=B1 used for the same carried payload e.g.

>>> typ= ical example is 10Gb Eth. So we added Swtiching Cap and Encoding

>>> inf= ormation like the OTN layers + adaptation field , in order to

>>> bet= ter distinguish also the client OTN layer. Exploiting on the<= /font>

>>> G-P= ID, can bring two problems:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> a)    We would need to add G-PID information inside the new = Type new

>>> obj= ect , having a not-homogeneous  format with respect the other

>>> lay= ers.

>>> 

>>> b)    As said before, it wouldn=A1=AFt be exhaustive with respect real

>>> map= ping beyond the same payload.

>>&nb= sp;

>> I'm sor= ry, I don't understand how this answers the following:

>>&nb= sp;

>>>>= So what does it mean in a type 2 TLV to have a "non OTN signal types"

>>>>= and GFP mappings?  It seems that these both cover cases beyond ODU<= /span>

>>>>= H-LSPs, am I wrong?

>>&nb= sp;

>> [Fatai]= What did you mean by saying =A1=B0non OTN signal types=A1=B1?

> =

> Values mapp= ing to anything but PT=3D20 or PT=3D21.

> =

>> Did you= mean

>> removin= g =A1=B0Switching Type=A1=B1= & =A1=B0Encoding Type=A1=B1= ?

> =

> No. What I'= m really trying to understand is why the mapping field just=

> doesn't car= ry Payload Type as defined in G.709.

> =

> An earlier response, as I understood it, said that G-PID will carry<= /font>

> client payl= oad types and that mapping is used to indicate intra-ODU

> information= .  This led to me asking about the GFP (-F and -T) mapping

> values.

> =

>> For map= ping, there are

>> differe= nt encapsulation protocols when ODUj multiplexes into ODUk, it

>> may nee= d to specify this information when an FA-LSP is to be created.=

>>&nb= sp;

> =

> So clearly = there is some misunderstanding here.  Probably mine.  So the

> field in qu= estion is the mapping field of the Hierarchy TLV which has

> the followi= ng definition:

> =

>  =      Mapping: This field indicates the mapping function used in each<= /span>

>  =      client-server relationship of the hierarchy. The values of this<= /span>

>  =      field are listed below:

> =

>  =           Value          Type=

>  =          -----         ------

>  =            0         &n= bsp;  Reserved

>  =             1            AMP

>  =             2            BMP

>  =             3            GMP

>  =             4            GFP-F

>  =             5            GFP-T

>  =           6-255          Reserved

> =

> So my first= point (why not just carry PT values) comes from the

> narrative.&= nbsp; If this field is just for intra-ODU mappings, then "each

> client-serv= er relationship" should be replaced with "each ODU mapping

> relationshi= p".

> =

> In looking = at G.709 is see that *only* AMP and GMP are used to support=

> ODUj -> = ODUk multiplexing.  So this lead me to the question about GFP.

> =

> Your mail h= as triggered my taking yet another look at G.709, I see that=

> BMP is used= in supporting CBR clients, GFP-T is only mentioned as=

> supporting 1000BASE-X, and GFP-F can support multiple (packet) client

> types.=

> =

> I don't see= where BMP or GFP (-F and -T) are used when "ODUj multiplexes

> into ODUk".  What am I missing something?  Please be specific in = your

> references = to the appropriate ITU-T documents so that we can close on this.=

> =

> It seems to= me that mapping needs to carry all possible payload type

> values so t= hat the g-pid of the outermost ODU LSP can indicate the type

> of traffic = being carried (e.g., MPLS, IP, ethernet, STM-64, etc.), but

> your positi= on leads me to believe that I'm missing something here too.=

> To clarify,= for the example of an ODU LSP that carries Ethernet over

> GFP-F (over= some ODUk), what would be the G-PID and Hierarchy TLV?<= /p>

> =

> AUTHORS>= Lou, where from the narrative above describing the "mapping"

> field is sa= id that we refer to "intra-ODU mappings" ? The meaning of

> this field = is to give information about not what is "the carried

> payload&quo= t; already contained in the G-PID but "how" this payload is

> carried . <= o:p>

 

How which payloa= d is carried?  so G-PID, encoding and the other

parameters of an= LSP relate to the layer of the hierarchy represented by

the LSP.

 

It was my unders= tanding that the purpose of the ADAPTATION Object (at

least for the ty= pe 2 TLV) was to represent the N (where N>1) layers of

the hierarchy *a= bove* the LSP being signaled.

 

Is this correct = or am I mistaken?

 

AUTHORS> Yes,= your understanding is correct, information regarding hierarchy "supported&q= uot; by the signaled LSP

<deleted the = rest>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 18:31:30 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 18:31:26 +0100 Message-ID: <03aa01cd2f9b$e5dcedb0$b196c910$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac0vm9rYiG49W4/VRdOVPUYAQhM5+A== Content-Language: en-gb Subject: [CCAMP] FW: ccamp - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 84 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:31:36 -0000 Ah. And there I was hoping that you might be on a path to reduce your = old 5 hours below 4.5 hours. :-) A couple worry beads from my perspective. The problem is that a WG that continuously needs so much time is = probably more than one WG. Do you really need this amount of time? = Should we look at ways of hiving off pieces of work into short-lived = WGs? If you had to overlap with l2vpn, pwe3, or rtgwg would it really mean = that the meeting couldn't be useful? A > -----Original Message----- > From: "IETF Meeting Session Request Tool" > [mailto:session_request_developers@ietf.org] > Sent: 11 May 2012 18:19 > To: session-request@ietf.org > Cc: ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org; lberger@labn.net; dbrungard@att.com; > lberger@movaz.com > Subject: ccamp - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 84 >=20 > An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Lou = Berger, a > chair of the ccamp working group. >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------- > Working Group Name: Common Control and Measurement Plane > Area Name: Routing Area > Session Requester: Lou Berger >=20 > Number of Sessions: 2 > Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours, 2 Hours > Number of Attendees: 150 > Conflicts to Avoid: > First Priority: l2vpn mpls ospf pce pwe3 rtgwg rtgarea > Second Priority: idr l3vpn tsvwg nvo3 > Third Priority: bfd forces isis pim tictoc trill karp >=20 >=20 > Special Requests: >=20 > (other conflicts: IRTF RRG, RTG BOFs, VNRG, SDN) > --------------------------------------------------------- From agmalis@gmail.com Sat May 12 08:28:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201F821F8575 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 08:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x8XJGTYjV9ie for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 08:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gg0-f172.google.com (mail-gg0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6BE21F8546 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 08:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ggnc4 with SMTP id c4so583314ggn.31 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 08:28:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Eln78p+LBDI0dTuQqxZQPCmggJ4nVcb+fNSt9FUHYdU=; b=x27E8vbtYh/pormF7kFT4CvvHPMK1OUvbsJveSAIIsaENzh0q7/L9tV16Lm5Dxr++r EvQQUXzlZOUoj2hDj/uPfeWicSClOWrt+M0z0Wnx3GC1uMhci07a0vMsufSO/wAcjUP+ 5RDz8U/3GLmB+cjI2ozIYUT3RxOCxpTAjr0DqxT0uBWX60NrTL9JoKxRE0fMTApJCUV7 Lx1xfZN6blJRs/4O2vqCRxSgLDT5TxO0zki3qfNbPO2H5xuvhkeECJLZls1DHnSXdiY/ xbP6dUcwPmh5WYvF7MDrbMwbujS4PGaAv5Jgz7cM7vuH3FN0Dk4XZnzTohcDRHdHfyy4 nWlQ== Received: by 10.50.181.164 with SMTP id dx4mr1091972igc.1.1336836490636; Sat, 12 May 2012 08:28:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.184.231 with HTTP; Sat, 12 May 2012 08:27:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <03aa01cd2f9b$e5dcedb0$b196c910$@olddog.co.uk> References: <03aa01cd2f9b$e5dcedb0$b196c910$@olddog.co.uk> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:27:50 -0400 Message-ID: To: adrian@olddog.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: ccamp - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 84 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 15:28:12 -0000 Adrian, Speaking on PWE3's and my own personal behalf, the problem is an overlap of people, there are people active in both WGs that would be unhappy with an overlap. The same applies for (at least) the composite link work in rtgwg. Cheers, Andy On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Ah. And there I was hoping that you might be on a path to reduce your old= 5 hours below 4.5 hours. > > :-) > > A couple worry beads from my perspective. > > The problem is that a WG that continuously needs so much time is probably= more than one WG. Do you really need this amount of time? Should we look a= t ways of hiving off pieces of work into short-lived WGs? > > If you had to overlap with l2vpn, pwe3, or rtgwg would it really mean tha= t the meeting couldn't be useful? > > A > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "IETF Meeting Session Request Tool" >> [mailto:session_request_developers@ietf.org] >> Sent: 11 May 2012 18:19 >> To: session-request@ietf.org >> Cc: ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org; lberger@labn.net; dbrungard@att.com; >> lberger@movaz.com >> Subject: ccamp - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 84 >> >> An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Lou Be= rger, a >> chair of the ccamp working group. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> Working Group Name: Common Control and Measurement Plane >> Area Name: Routing Area >> Session Requester: Lou Berger >> >> Number of Sessions: 2 >> Length of Session(s): =A02.5 Hours, 2 Hours >> Number of Attendees: 150 >> Conflicts to Avoid: >> =A0First Priority: l2vpn mpls ospf pce pwe3 rtgwg rtgarea >> =A0Second Priority: idr l3vpn tsvwg nvo3 >> =A0Third Priority: bfd forces isis pim tictoc trill karp >> >> >> Special Requests: >> >> (other conflicts: IRTF RRG, RTG BOFs, VNRG, SDN) >> --------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From lberger@labn.net Tue May 15 04:34:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAF321F8702 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 04:34:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.854, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EBIgKqDGt9np for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 04:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7482021F86F6 for ; Tue, 15 May 2012 04:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2767 invoked by uid 0); 15 May 2012 11:34:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 15 May 2012 11:34:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=moyKSSymMX+KWzEh//yYBf/+rf3dqoQLYU9eDugC8sM=; b=jQbAMcq1vQHw2eH1ToPfl92x4PaZXao6vsfIXKksZBXABDg4IjUFj+AaQ2VQzF+N6hVTF1znr27drWoznC3IBPqmXQg+tb54bxA2z97qrSD6wJroMDSk/iRuj5nF+r36; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SUG1I-000332-AE; Tue, 15 May 2012 05:34:24 -0600 Message-ID: <4FB23F3F.3020705@labn.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:34:23 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)" References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-06 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:34:27 -0000 Sergio/Fatai/Authors, interesting formatting.... On 5/10/2012 10:04 AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote: > Lou, > > > > see our comments in line, we hope to have reached a common understanding > > Perhaps. Let me try to take one step back: Do I understand correctly from you mail that you hold the following positions: 1) the ADAPTATION Object only represents the N (where N>1) layers of the hierarchy *above* the LSP being signaled. and 2) It is acceptable to use standard GMPLS fields to represent/signal an ODU LSP as well as the payload type it carries (i.e., which may be +1 in an ODU hierarchy or a client signal). If this correct, than I agree we're closer to a common understanding. Thanks, Lou > > AUTHORS > > > > -----Messaggio originale----- > > Da: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > > Inviato: domenica 6 maggio 2012 18.32 > > A: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) > > Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; CCAMP; > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org; Fatai Zhang > > Oggetto: Re: R: R: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 > > > > > > Sergio, Authors, > > See below for in-line response. > > > > On 5/3/2012 4:07 AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote: > >> Lou, > >> > >> See in line marked AUTHORS and attached mail from which we extracted > for your convenience a part on your thoughts regarding G-PID. > >> > >> Best Regards > >> > >> AUTHORS > >> > >> > >> -----Messaggio originale----- > >> Da: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > >> Inviato: venerd¨¬ 27 aprile 2012 14.19 > >> A: Fatai Zhang > >> Cc: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Daniele Ceccarelli; CCAMP; > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org > >> Oggetto: Re: R: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 > >> > >> Fatai, Authors, see below. > >> > >> > >> On 4/27/2012 2:36 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > >>> Hi Lou, > >>> > >>> Please see in-line below. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> Fatai > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > >>> Sent: 2012Äê4ÔÂ24ÈÕ 0:52 > >>> To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Daniele Ceccarelli > >>> Cc: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org; Fatai > >>> Zhang > >>> Subject: Re: R: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on > >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 > >>> > >>> Sergio, > >>> > >>> See below. > >>> > >>> On 4/19/2012 11:03 AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Lou, > >>>> For question 1) > >>>> TSG is an adaptation information that has meaning only in the context > >>>> of OTN multiplexing. Nothing to do with G-PID that obviously has to > >>>> carry information regarding client so, ODUj. Moreover TSG information > >>>> could not be done with G-PID, because this TSG information only makes > >>>> sense to the penultimate hop and G-PID cannot specify 1.25 or 2.5G so > >>>> far. In this case,47 (ODUj) will be carried in G-PID. > >>> > >>> This could equally be accomplished using 2 G-PID values, e.g., > >>> 47=ODUj-2.5G TSG, 48-ODUj-1.25G ( or 3 if you also want one to indicate > >>> either.) > >>> BTW you might want to reread the definition of G-PID with respect to > >>> penultimate hop. > >>> > >>> [Fatai] Your suggestion makes sense. I think either way is OK. We could > >>> use 2 G-PID values if WG prefer to this way. > >>> > >> > >>> If you're okay either way, why are you even leaving the door open for > >>> defining a new mechanism to do what can already be done with an existing > >>> mechanisms? IMO, do so when there is no strong technical motivation is > >>> simply wrong. > >> > >>> Do you (or anyone else) see any reason to justify not using the existing > >> mechanism? > >> > >> AUTHORS> Lou, we attached a mail sent by you in September , during the > long discussion, in which we proposed the usage of G-PID to carry TSG > information and you had different opinion. > >> During this long mails exchange , you suggested to use Encoding Type to > carry TSG information. At the end, we , as authors, suggested to use a > new object to be more open also to possible extension (like adaptation > info). > >> > >> This is the story of this issue and this is why we did not fall again > into G-PID option. What is changed ? > >> > > > > Good question/catch. As I recall the quoted discussion, it > was focused > > on the non-hierarchical LSP case and my comments were made in that > > context. My understanding from this current discussion is that the new > > G-PID values would *only* be used in the hierarchy-case. > > > > AUTHORS> Where to put information regarding TSG is valid both for > non-hierarchical as well as for hierarchical. > > So, discussion we had are valid now as before. > > > > You may have also missed my comment on the list that was sent *after* > > the mail that you attached: > > > > AUTHORS> No ,we remember very well your preference for Encoding option. > > > > On 10/25/2011 6:37 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > >> 5) Note that the Encoding field may be impacted by the still unresolved > >> discussion related to TSG/PT that took place a couple of weeks ago on > >> the list. (I'm personally leaning towards representing PT in encoding > >> as this better matches what happens in the data plane and is more > >> closely aligned to the general definition of the encoding field.) > > > > Your question also triggered me to remember a key difference in how > > this problem is often discussed and how G.709 represents it. IMO GMPLS > > modeling/support should match G.709 to the maximum extent possible, so > > my example should have been in terms of Payload Type. That is: > >> 2 G-PID values, e.g., 47=ODUj-2.5G TSG, 48-ODUj-1.25G > > should have been > > 2 G-PID values, e.g.,47=ODUj-AMP (G.709 PT=0x20), 48-ODUj-GMP (G.709 > > PT=0x20) > > > > AUTHORS> Lou, obviously, as discussed time ago, G-PID can be used for > this purpose even if , we concluded together it is not the best choice. > > > > Our proposal to use a new object was also to avoid changing (or > overloading) meaning of G-PID. > > Said that nothing prevent to come back to G-PID. > > You example above is anyway wrong : there is no ODUj GMP mapping with PT=20. > > So you should have e.g.: > > > > new G-PID value = ODUj-AMP (PT=20 TSG=2.5) > > new G-PID value = ODUj-AMP (PT=20 TSG=1.25) (ODU0-->OPU1) > > new G-PID value = ODUj-AMP (PT=21 TSG=1.25) > > new G-PID value = ODUj-GMP (PT=21 TSG=1.25) > > > > Is it this solution preferable than a new object ? > > > > [The following was inserted from the old thread] > >> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > >>> Sent: mercoled¨¬ 28 settembre 2011 17.37 > >>> To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) > >>> Cc: CCAMP; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO) > >>> Subject: Re: R: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG > >>> > >>> > >>> Sergio and Pietro, > >>> > >>> It sounds like we should get in-sync on where TSG information is > >>> needed first then talk about how to carry it. So, I said: > >>> > >>>> As I understand it, TSG is needed at: > >>>> (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper > >>>> adaptation. > >>>> (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper > >>>> interface/H-LSP selection. > >>>> (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. > >>>> > >>> > >>> >From your mail, I infer that you agree on (a) and (b). Is this correct? > >>> [[ALU]] We agree on (a) and (b). > >> > >> Good. To me, as I mentioned in my first mail on this thread, this > means that G-PID isn't the right place to carry this information. > >> > >> On 9/27/2011 9:20 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > >> Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client > >> adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really only supports > >> need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate TSG > >> > > > > [The above was inserted from the old thread, now back to the current thread] > >>>> > >>>> For question 2) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hierarchy information has been introduced to help penultimate hop > >>>> (always in case ERO information are not exhaustive) choosing the > >>>> right interface e.g. two interfaces supporting both the correct TSG > >>>> but not the same client hierarchy. This added information is used to > >>>> guarantee the possibility about the correct > >>>> multiplexing/demultiplexing process. > >>>> > >>>> G-PID at the moment consider a number of codes that does not cover > >>>> all the different ¡°mapping¡± used for the same carried payload e.g. > >>>> typical example is 10Gb Eth. So we added Swtiching Cap and Encoding > >>>> information like the OTN layers + adaptation field , in order to > >>>> better distinguish also the client OTN layer. Exploiting on the > >>>> G-PID, can bring two problems: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> a) We would need to add G-PID information inside the new Type new > >>>> object , having a not-homogeneous format with respect the other > >>>> layers. > >>>> > >>>> b) As said before, it wouldn¡¯t be exhaustive with respect real > >>>> mapping beyond the same payload. > >>> > >>> I'm sorry, I don't understand how this answers the following: > >>> > >>>>> So what does it mean in a type 2 TLV to have a "non OTN signal types" > >>>>> and GFP mappings? It seems that these both cover cases beyond ODU > >>>>> H-LSPs, am I wrong? > >>> > >>> [Fatai] What did you mean by saying ¡°non OTN signal types¡±? > >> > >> Values mapping to anything but PT=20 or PT=21. > >> > >>> Did you mean > >>> removing ¡°Switching Type¡± & ¡°Encoding Type¡±? > >> > >> No. What I'm really trying to understand is why the mapping field just > >> doesn't carry Payload Type as defined in G.709. > >> > >> An earlier response, as I understood it, said that G-PID will carry > >> client payload types and that mapping is used to indicate intra-ODU > >> information. This led to me asking about the GFP (-F and -T) mapping > >> values. > >> > >>> For mapping, there are > >>> different encapsulation protocols when ODUj multiplexes into ODUk, it > >>> may need to specify this information when an FA-LSP is to be created. > >>> > >> > >> So clearly there is some misunderstanding here. Probably mine. So the > >> field in question is the mapping field of the Hierarchy TLV which has > >> the following definition: > >> > >> Mapping: This field indicates the mapping function used in each > >> client-server relationship of the hierarchy. The values of this > >> field are listed below: > >> > >> Value Type > >> ----- ------ > >> 0 Reserved > >> 1 AMP > >> 2 BMP > >> 3 GMP > >> 4 GFP-F > >> 5 GFP-T > >> 6-255 Reserved > >> > >> So my first point (why not just carry PT values) comes from the > >> narrative. If this field is just for intra-ODU mappings, then "each > >> client-server relationship" should be replaced with "each ODU mapping > >> relationship". > >> > >> In looking at G.709 is see that *only* AMP and GMP are used to support > >> ODUj -> ODUk multiplexing. So this lead me to the question about GFP. > >> > >> Your mail has triggered my taking yet another look at G.709, I see that > >> BMP is used in supporting CBR clients, GFP-T is only mentioned as > >> supporting 1000BASE-X, and GFP-F can support multiple (packet) client > >> types. > >> > >> I don't see where BMP or GFP (-F and -T) are used when "ODUj multiplexes > >> into ODUk". What am I missing something? Please be specific in your > >> references to the appropriate ITU-T documents so that we can close on this. > >> > >> It seems to me that mapping needs to carry all possible payload type > >> values so that the g-pid of the outermost ODU LSP can indicate the type > >> of traffic being carried (e.g., MPLS, IP, ethernet, STM-64, etc.), but > >> your position leads me to believe that I'm missing something here too. > >> To clarify, for the example of an ODU LSP that carries Ethernet over > >> GFP-F (over some ODUk), what would be the G-PID and Hierarchy TLV? > >> > >> AUTHORS> Lou, where from the narrative above describing the "mapping" > >> field is said that we refer to "intra-ODU mappings" ? The meaning of > >> this field is to give information about not what is "the carried > >> payload" already contained in the G-PID but "how" this payload is > >> carried . > > > > How which payload is carried? so G-PID, encoding and the other > > parameters of an LSP relate to the layer of the hierarchy represented by > > the LSP. > > > > It was my understanding that the purpose of the ADAPTATION Object (at > > least for the type 2 TLV) was to represent the N (where N>1) layers of > > the hierarchy *above* the LSP being signaled. > > > > Is this correct or am I mistaken? > > > > AUTHORS> Yes, your understanding is correct, information regarding > hierarchy "supported" by the signaled LSP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From db3546@att.com Fri May 18 12:11:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C84521F856F for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:11:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OOzOJS+vbq1J for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo03.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo03.seg.att.com [209.65.160.84]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32CE21F856D for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 12:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.20.145] (EHLO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo03.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.11.0-10) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 9fe96bf4.0.518230.00-451.1436469.nbfkord-smmo03.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Fri, 18 May 2012 19:11:56 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 4fb69efc20430236-012afb481b5a634c1ad2bb2f30b92767a7a5741e Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4IJBqrw027781; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:11:53 -0400 Received: from sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (sflint02.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.229]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4IJBkEJ027713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 May 2012 15:11:50 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUB9E.ITServices.sbc.com (misout7msghub9e.itservices.sbc.com [144.151.223.61]) by sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor); Fri, 18 May 2012 15:11:15 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSR9O.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.75]) by MISOUT7MSGHUB9E.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.61]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 18 May 2012 15:11:15 -0400 From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" To: "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Thread-Index: Ac01Kf9E9ZM6Ls0mS/ydzrhzxb+O1Q== Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:11:15 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [130.10.105.202] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-AnalysisOut: [v=1.0 c=1 a=3bPtCz6Wh30A:10 a=4AHpLi5lSo4A:10 a=ofMgfj31e3] X-AnalysisOut: [cA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=ZRNLZ4dFUbCvG8] X-AnalysisOut: [UMqPvVAA==:17 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=J45sLU1KrpcSb-sg0VMA:9 a=] X-AnalysisOut: [EVPIYWpOlwqxw8YIrAcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10] Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 19:11:59 -0000 Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-e= xt? 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From db3546@att.com Fri May 18 13:23:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6126721F8592 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:23:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UmyUcVtFgpRO for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com [209.65.160.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E81F21F8518 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.20.146] (EHLO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.11.0-10) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 2bfa6bf4.0.550912.00-353.1519064.nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Fri, 18 May 2012 20:23:15 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 4fb6afb33ad09721-5f85f909813c9a0c43caefe04bbf4bc78c2d2f1a Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4IKNDmF001964; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:23:13 -0400 Received: from sflint03.pst.cso.att.com (sflint03.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.230]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4IKMvSs000503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 May 2012 16:23:03 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUB9A.ITServices.sbc.com (misout7msghub9a.itservices.sbc.com [144.151.223.62]) by sflint03.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor); Fri, 18 May 2012 16:21:45 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSR9O.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.75]) by MISOUT7MSGHUB9A.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.62]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:21:44 -0400 From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" To: "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext Thread-Index: Ac01M9r+6FZC9L2ZTt+U7hH84n69aw== Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:21:43 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [130.10.105.202] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.20.146] X-AnalysisOut: [v=1.0 c=1 a=3bPtCz6Wh30A:10 a=gNm7lGs7_n0A:10 a=ofMgfj31e3] X-AnalysisOut: [cA:10 a=b39PXqOXx9IA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:1] X-AnalysisOut: [0 a=Qs8R1XBwmid1qBFB/a8mmA==:17 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=J45sLU1] X-AnalysisOut: [KrpcSb-sg0VMA:9 a=EVPIYWpOlwqxw8YIrAcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10] Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:23:16 -0000 Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-o= am-ext? 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From db3546@att.com Fri May 18 13:27:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD6E21F860F for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:27:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.350, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MJd0cSJp7Qab for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com [209.65.160.93]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1862821F85E5 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.20.146] (EHLO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.11.0-10) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 9b0b6bf4.0.548105.00-463.1513035.nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Fri, 18 May 2012 20:27:38 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 4fb6b0ba762df2a6-df6508d348b236bd5323f9924c96b3333ba8ef07 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4IKRZXK008385; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:27:37 -0400 Received: from sflint04.pst.cso.att.com (sflint04.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.231]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4IKRL5q007825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 May 2012 16:27:31 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUB9A.ITServices.sbc.com (misout7msghub9a.itservices.sbc.com [144.151.223.62]) by sflint04.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor); Fri, 18 May 2012 16:26:52 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSR9O.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.75]) by MISOUT7MSGHUB9A.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.62]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:26:51 -0400 From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" To: "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext Thread-Index: Ac01NJLQQa75tlfkRIyWNJ6MPsmIyA== Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:26:51 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [130.10.105.202] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.20.146] X-AnalysisOut: [v=1.0 c=1 a=3bPtCz6Wh30A:10 a=9PCUwCDm9T8A:10 a=ofMgfj31e3] X-AnalysisOut: [cA:10 a=YvODSlADdt8A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:1] X-AnalysisOut: [0 a=Qs8R1XBwmid1qBFB/a8mmA==:17 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=J45sLU1] X-AnalysisOut: [KrpcSb-sg0VMA:9 a=EVPIYWpOlwqxw8YIrAcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10] Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:27:39 -0000 Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-o= am-ext? 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From db3546@att.com Fri May 18 13:34:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E0921F8518 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:34:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KxfPNHJpl0Un for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com [209.65.160.94]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B320721F8513 for ; Fri, 18 May 2012 13:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.20.146] (EHLO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.11.0-10) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 272b6bf4.0.552787.00-481.1522380.nbfkord-smmo06.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Fri, 18 May 2012 20:34:58 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 4fb6b2727bf0dd60-426b339eb516314b24fc6c358c379528c3d71ddd Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4IKYv58020238; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:34:58 -0400 Received: from sflint03.pst.cso.att.com (sflint03.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.230]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4IKXCj3016224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 May 2012 16:34:50 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUB9F.ITServices.sbc.com (misout7msghub9f.itservices.sbc.com [144.151.223.71]) by sflint03.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor); Fri, 18 May 2012 16:31:41 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSR9O.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.75]) by MISOUT7MSGHUB9F.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.71]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 18 May 2012 16:31:41 -0400 From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" To: "draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk Thread-Index: Ac01NT7kMy7Shyg9RZqTjRCZIXmE5Q== Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:31:40 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [130.10.105.202] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.20.146] X-AnalysisOut: [v=1.0 c=1 a=3bPtCz6Wh30A:10 a=hWaQXAFavpcA:10 a=ofMgfj31e3] X-AnalysisOut: [cA:10 a=xIgHNDATcjIA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:1] X-AnalysisOut: [0 a=Qs8R1XBwmid1qBFB/a8mmA==:17 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=J45sLU1] X-AnalysisOut: [KrpcSb-sg0VMA:9 a=EVPIYWpOlwqxw8YIrAcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10] Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 20:34:59 -0000 Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration= -fwk? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please answer the ab= ove by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of a= ny relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a resp= onse has been received from each author and listed contributor. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules whi= ch encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an I= ETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discu= ssion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs= listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPrope= rty. 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From loa@pi.nu Sat May 19 07:25:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8D421F8484 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:25:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4kSNco8PB5Q5 for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pi.nu (mail.pi.nu [194.71.127.148]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295E321F847F for ; Sat, 19 May 2012 07:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (unknown [121.54.51.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by mail.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 63DB72A8002; Sat, 19 May 2012 16:25:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4FB7AD45.1090404@pi.nu> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 16:25:09 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 14:25:08 -0000 I'm not aware of any IPRs on this document. /ZLoa On 2012-05-18 22:26, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A wrote: > Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) > > In preparation of this document for Last Call: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR > rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please answer the above > by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any > relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response > has been received from each author and listed contributor. > > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which > encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF > contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion > related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed > above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > CCAMP WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. > > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp -- Loa Andersson email: loa.andersson@ericsson.com Sr Strategy and Standards Manager loa@pi.nu Ericsson Inc phone: +46 10 717 52 13 +46 767 72 92 13 From acmorton@att.com Sun May 20 06:42:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B1A21F856F for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 06:42:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.819, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eh0ya+iXeUWy for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 06:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo03.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo03.seg.att.com [209.65.160.84]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108D821F856C for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 06:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.20.146] (EHLO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo03.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.11.0-10) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 9c4f8bf4.0.23431.00-483.60428.nbfkord-smmo03.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Sun, 20 May 2012 13:42:34 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 4fb8f4ca3af41177-cc2eaebdf6c8c00fd77603d289ba2c2130f7cf74 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4KDgXJK015651 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 09:42:33 -0400 Received: from sflint03.pst.cso.att.com (sflint03.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.230]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4KDg9sM015611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 09:42:27 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by sflint03.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 09:41:47 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4KDflwm014985 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 09:41:47 -0400 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q4KDfg7Y014851 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 09:41:42 -0400 Message-Id: <201205201341.q4KDfg7Y014851@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (vpn-135-70-199-208.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.199.208](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20120520133810gw10060ldie>; Sun, 20 May 2012 13:38:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.199.208] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 09:42:55 -0400 To: ccamp@ietf.org From: Al Morton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.20.146] X-AnalysisOut: [v=1.0 c=1 a=2Gx5Ooju6CMA:10 a=SG4i3jOzDqsA:10 a=ofMgfj31e3] X-AnalysisOut: [cA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Qs8R1XBwmid1qB] X-AnalysisOut: [FB/a8mmA==:17 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=zQP7CpKOAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mU] X-AnalysisOut: [AAAA:8 a=rVxrP8AynB45_iv7O3UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HlLFuP] X-AnalysisOut: [E95S0A:10 a=33rK67OTR_gA:10 a=Hz7IrDYlS0cA:10] Cc: dbrungard@att.com Subject: [CCAMP] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 13:42:34 -0000 Lou and Deborah, As requested, my brief review of the dpm draft is below. I've also asked for a Performance Metrics Directorate volunteer who could review the draft quickly. If another review is coming, I'll let you know. Al >Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:06:22 -0400 >To: Lou Berger >From: Al Morton >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm >Cc: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS)" > >Hi Lou, > >I took a quick look this morning, the authors have nicely adopted >the familiar metric framework used in other performance work, >and I like the metric naming - very straightforward to sort out >the names once you read the explanation in section 3, >although they could say explicitly how they've done it, so it lends >to extension in the future. > >I would suggest they give the acronym expansion in each section. >for example: > > >>5.2. Metric Name >> >> RRFD = RESV Received, Forward Datapath > > >One word choice in section 1 could be improved: > > >> >> This document defines a series of performance metrics to evaluate the >> availability of data path during the signaling process. > >I would suggests/availability/connectivity/ > >"availability" has many more rigorous definitions than the >test pattern used here. > >A minor concern: >It seems that the length of the test signal will influence >the delay measurement, the simple serialization time for bits >in the first packet of the signal, which it seems could be a >Jumbo packet. This should be mentioned as it is applicable as >a potential source of error for all the metrics. I realize this may >be negligible on high speed interfaces using a single packet for >the test signal - but they've left the option for long test >signals. There is clear motivation to use small packets from a >performance-bias perspective. > >-=-=-=-=-=-=- > >In recent news, the Performance Metrics Directorate has been formed >in the OPS area, and we review drafts when WG chairs request. >As PMDir Admin, I'd be glad to ask for a review volunteer. >Let me know. > >We usually try to do early review of WG doc candidates rather >than WG Last Call, simply because the feedback might be extensive. >http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/performance-metrics.html > >hope this helps, >Al From lberger@labn.net Sun May 20 07:44:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC33C21F84C3 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 07:44:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.161 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.161 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cBEeuiNEHlHA for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 07:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B255C21F849B for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 07:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31691 invoked by uid 0); 20 May 2012 14:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 May 2012 14:44:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=hwXIqg1ZqUUVycoW+wlrQpYoRcUTM0HW0TCAfS4YzNk=; b=ZUAwLfg+prFUoMsFTJ6sAxcviZpw/Dk2ZgLiRjckf9l+fCw/7GmE9D/pn1fnOeH1NCG8zpWR+Dm6BNkxDIJyizhe5ocqCkVFTfQ9+GhcC/ERVQH2Rk5ntwPQv9e983NN; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:34241 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SW7NI-0002B3-OE; Sun, 20 May 2012 08:44:48 -0600 Message-ID: <4FB9035D.2060301@labn.net> Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:44:45 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Al Morton , draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm@tools.ietf.org References: <201205201341.q4KDfgjJ014852@alpd052.aldc.att.com> In-Reply-To: <201205201341.q4KDfgjJ014852@alpd052.aldc.att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, dbrungard@att.com Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 14:44:50 -0000 Al, Thank you very much! WG, Al is the Admin for the relatively new performance metrics directorate (http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/performance-metrics.html) and I asked for his/their review as part of preparation for requesting publication of the DPM draft. Authors, Please note that Al has already suggested some useful changes. I suggest waiting until we have any additional comments from the directorate before publishing the update that addresses them, but please don't wait before discussing them. Lou On 5/20/2012 9:42 AM, Al Morton wrote: > Lou and Deborah, > > As requested, my brief review of the dpm draft is below. > I've also asked for a Performance Metrics Directorate volunteer > who could review the draft quickly. If another review is coming, > I'll let you know. > > Al > > >> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:06:22 -0400 >> To: Lou Berger >> From: Al Morton >> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm >> Cc: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS)" >> >> Hi Lou, >> >> I took a quick look this morning, the authors have nicely adopted >> the familiar metric framework used in other performance work, >> and I like the metric naming - very straightforward to sort out >> the names once you read the explanation in section 3, >> although they could say explicitly how they've done it, so it lends >> to extension in the future. >> >> I would suggest they give the acronym expansion in each section. >> for example: >> >> >>> 5.2. Metric Name >>> >>> RRFD = RESV Received, Forward Datapath >> >> >> One word choice in section 1 could be improved: >> >> >>> >>> This document defines a series of performance metrics to evaluate the >>> availability of data path during the signaling process. >> >> I would suggests/availability/connectivity/ >> >> "availability" has many more rigorous definitions than the >> test pattern used here. >> >> A minor concern: >> It seems that the length of the test signal will influence >> the delay measurement, the simple serialization time for bits >> in the first packet of the signal, which it seems could be a >> Jumbo packet. This should be mentioned as it is applicable as >> a potential source of error for all the metrics. I realize this may >> be negligible on high speed interfaces using a single packet for >> the test signal - but they've left the option for long test >> signals. There is clear motivation to use small packets from a >> performance-bias perspective. >> >> -=-=-=-=-=-=- >> >> In recent news, the Performance Metrics Directorate has been formed >> in the OPS area, and we review drafts when WG chairs request. >> As PMDir Admin, I'd be glad to ask for a review volunteer. >> Let me know. >> >> We usually try to do early review of WG doc candidates rather >> than WG Last Call, simply because the feedback might be extensive. >> http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/performance-metrics.html >> >> hope this helps, >> Al > > > > > From ke-kumaki@kddi.com Sun May 20 19:10:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A60421F855A for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 19:10:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vYtIiLOz5fuY for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 19:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UTMC1102.kddi.com (athena.kddi.com [210.141.112.39]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3156721F854E for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 19:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UTMC1134 (unknown [10.5.16.201]) by UTMC1102.kddi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EB362DB0; Mon, 21 May 2012 11:10:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from UTMC1122.kddi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.kddi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA6E15E3; Mon, 21 May 2012 11:10:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from LTMC1005.kddi.com (unknown [10.5.16.216]) by UTMC1122.kddi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D498D1D17; Mon, 21 May 2012 11:10:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from LTMC1005.kddi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by LTMC1005.kddi.com with ESMTP id q4L2Aepb012415; Mon, 21 May 2012 11:10:40 +0900 Received: from LTMC1005.kddi.com.mid_6681136 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by LTMC1005.kddi.com with ESMTP id q4L25cP1007840; Mon, 21 May 2012 11:05:38 +0900 Received: from KDDI-1202PC0730 ([10.200.129.120] [10.200.129.120]) by post-zip.kddi.com with ESMTPA; Mon, 21 May 2012 11:05:38 +0900 To: lberger@labn.net From: Kenji Kumaki References: <4F5772F6.2090500@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4F5772F6.2090500@labn.net> Message-Id: <201205211105.IAH69216.FVLBJLNLt@kddi.com> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.51 PL4] X-Accept-Language: ja,en,zh Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:05:38 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-SA-MID: 6681136 X-WAuditID: 1205211110410000412951 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 02:10:52 -0000 Hi Lou, Sorry for the delayed response. I have no IPR for this draft. Thanks, Kenji -- Kenji Kumaki, Ph.D. Head of Internet Core Engineering Section IP Transport Development Department KDDI Corporation <4F5772F6.2090500@labn.net> $B$N!"(B "Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib" $B$K$*$$$F!"(B "Lou Berger "$B$5$s$O=q$-$^$7$?!'(B > Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) > > In preparation of this document for publication request: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS > MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules > which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of > others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any > contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more > information, please see the RFCs listed above and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > CCAMP WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > From sun.weiqiang@gmail.com Sun May 20 22:06:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ABAD21F85D5 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 22:06:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cWdLw681Xtyc for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 22:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0827021F85CF for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 22:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dacx6 with SMTP id x6so6396834dac.31 for ; Sun, 20 May 2012 22:05:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=user-agent:date:subject:from:to:cc:message-id:thread-topic :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=T63EI4a4xfSnJnjaL8wwGnf3a49hkRF839+tQydWp+8=; b=MUtWRmXavh40QMDEEebgEBXhOSRxy4WPWrl+pMk8B1nDYngg4owGGetejdQLK40mGs hh7MKUZRkxm25sQYAAQ0RtvsBlUc5q1vjUUPJxUaFcN4vpN063qxHr6n88gODBkUnntx q7Yst0Y/Nt8oswcdNmTweExemL+C19vMsLwxWYVmXyst74rZ3SNO6i64gSYrdLRNkVa8 NPa5GoY3iIB/YudBg/8YL5HPAk0uTHPELEEDmikjQgNMmMtROUdqLMBV7URFItxAxRSe QqCRRd3XjfliuEp6+Eys5OAfPdG15j4xBj2FRoZt7E69kirlsw4YrBiaVbONFh17PUGh EVrg== Received: by 10.68.130.67 with SMTP id oc3mr16257186pbb.18.1337576751524; Sun, 20 May 2012 22:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.6.100] ([202.120.39.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gl5sm21026882pbc.58.2012.05.20.22.05.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 May 2012 22:05:50 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.2.120421 Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 13:05:36 +0800 From: Weiqiang Sun To: Al Morton , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm In-Reply-To: <201205201341.q4KDfg7Y014851@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: dbrungard@att.com Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 05:06:03 -0000 Al, Thanks for the review. The authors will address your comments/suggestions in future revisions. Best regards, Weiqiang On 5/20/12 9:42 PM, "Al Morton" wrote: >Lou and Deborah, > >As requested, my brief review of the dpm draft is below. >I've also asked for a Performance Metrics Directorate volunteer >who could review the draft quickly. If another review is coming, >I'll let you know. > >Al > > >>Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:06:22 -0400 >>To: Lou Berger >>From: Al Morton >>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm >>Cc: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS)" >> >>Hi Lou, >> >>I took a quick look this morning, the authors have nicely adopted >>the familiar metric framework used in other performance work, >>and I like the metric naming - very straightforward to sort out >>the names once you read the explanation in section 3, >>although they could say explicitly how they've done it, so it lends >>to extension in the future. >> >>I would suggest they give the acronym expansion in each section. >>for example: >> >> >>>5.2. Metric Name >>> >>> RRFD = RESV Received, Forward Datapath >> >> >>One word choice in section 1 could be improved: >> >> >>> >>> This document defines a series of performance metrics to evaluate >>>the >>> availability of data path during the signaling process. >> >>I would suggests/availability/connectivity/ >> >>"availability" has many more rigorous definitions than the >>test pattern used here. >> >>A minor concern: >>It seems that the length of the test signal will influence >>the delay measurement, the simple serialization time for bits >>in the first packet of the signal, which it seems could be a >>Jumbo packet. This should be mentioned as it is applicable as >>a potential source of error for all the metrics. I realize this may >>be negligible on high speed interfaces using a single packet for >>the test signal - but they've left the option for long test >>signals. There is clear motivation to use small packets from a >>performance-bias perspective. >> >>-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> >>In recent news, the Performance Metrics Directorate has been formed >>in the OPS area, and we review drafts when WG chairs request. >>As PMDir Admin, I'd be glad to ask for a review volunteer. >>Let me know. >> >>We usually try to do early review of WG doc candidates rather >>than WG Last Call, simply because the feedback might be extensive. >>http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/performance-metrics.html >> >>hope this helps, >>Al > >_______________________________________________ >CCAMP mailing list >CCAMP@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Mon May 21 01:39:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A346821F85D8 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 01:39:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZnkysCj7RiI7 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 01:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw2.ericsson.se (mailgw2.ericsson.se [193.180.251.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E966521F85D7 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 01:39:15 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-b7c5aae000007a47-06-4fb9fd9d59a8 Received: from esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw2.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 9D.98.31303.D9DF9BF4; Mon, 21 May 2012 10:32:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0360.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.167]) by esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.96]) with mapi; Mon, 21 May 2012 10:32:29 +0200 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: CCAMP Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:32:27 +0200 Thread-Topic: Liaison from the OIF Thread-Index: Ac00RGoT7YSf8wEfQV+FDxGm7QJsdAC5zsNg Message-ID: Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: it-IT, en-US Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_002_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA229ED974A2ESESSCMS0360e_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [CCAMP] Liaison from the OIF X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:39:17 -0000 --_002_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA229ED974A2ESESSCMS0360e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CCAMP, A communication was received by CCAMP from the OIF on OIF Prototype Impelme= ntation of ASON Routing and OTN Signaling & Routing drafts. 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3D88C21F8637 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 04:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29263 invoked by uid 0); 21 May 2012 11:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 11:44:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=uSGuFpSQXV8FBqhdGnaSQwxhmqOWUmh5ghWxo5fdRok=; b=0BtI/PD0YCToJ/U3qLzGAIJPRa7ZRgwVEyeKZni0fbp77qpXiASrqiUbBw9712fuNYOhvPyt5SYrFz8o8J4wleoDehAZzLKW23xLMw+733kBsxOsYrR5kG0H+pjGTgug; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:41001 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SWR2I-0000hD-6W for ccamp@ietf.org; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:44:26 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBA2A96.3060509@labn.net> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:44:22 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: Re: [CCAMP] from the OIF X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:44:28 -0000 Just a clarification - this communication was *not* received via the IETF's liaison process (see https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/). Such exchanges are automatically announced and logged. Lou On 5/21/2012 4:32 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > CCAMP, > > A communication was received by CCAMP from the OIF on OIF Prototype Impelmentation of ASON Routing and OTN Signaling & Routing drafts. > > BR > Daniele > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Liaison from the OIF >> Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 10:59:10 -0700 >> From: Kimberly Chiu >> To: , >> CC: , , >> , >> , >> >> >> >> >> Dear Deborah and Lou, >> >> >> >> On behalf of the OIF Technical Committee Chair, Jonathan >> Sadler, please see the attached liaison letter. >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Kimberly >> >> ______________ >> >> Kimberly Chiu >> >> Optical Internetworking Forum (OIF) >> >> Project Manager >> >> 48377 Fremont Blvd, Ste 117 >> >> Fremont CA 94538 USA >> >> Phone: +1.510.492.4042 (direct) / +1.510.492.4040 (main) >> >> Fax: +1.510.492.4001 >> >> kchiu@oiforum.com >> >> www.oiforum.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From Attila.Takacs@ericsson.com Mon May 21 05:22:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C884A21F8633 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:22:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RL+yx0q50ldN for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw7.ericsson.se (mailgw7.ericsson.se [193.180.251.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54E121F859E for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:22:17 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-b7b55ae000002887-85-4fba33773429 Received: from esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw7.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 35.3A.10375.7733ABF4; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:22:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.83]) by esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.90]) with mapi; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:22:15 +0200 From: Attila Takacs To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk@tools.ietf.org" Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:22:14 +0200 Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk Thread-Index: Ac01NT7kMy7Shyg9RZqTjRCZIXmE5QCFn4FQ Message-ID: <6477E10CC7D76444A479B9AC31F262A939CB1157EA@ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:22:18 -0000 Hi all, The IPRs that I'm aware of have been disclosed. Check @ https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&d= ocument_search=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk Attila=20 -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of B= RUNGARD, DEBORAH A Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:32 PM To: draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk@tools.ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration= -fwk? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please answer the ab= ove by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware = of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until= a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please s= ee the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wik= i/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, CCAMP WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your respons= e. _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From Attila.Takacs@ericsson.com Mon May 21 05:22:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA1021F860F for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:22:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0RSH4iba4Cgo for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw7.ericsson.se (mailgw7.ericsson.se [193.180.251.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F8721F859E for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:22:19 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-b7b55ae000002887-b5-4fba337b20d0 Received: from esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw7.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id EA.3A.10375.B733ABF4; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:22:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.83]) by esessmw0184.eemea.ericsson.se ([10.2.3.53]) with mapi; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:22:19 +0200 From: Attila Takacs To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:22:18 +0200 Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Thread-Index: Ac01Kf9E9ZM6Ls0mS/ydzrhzxb+O1QCIfv8w Message-ID: <6477E10CC7D76444A479B9AC31F262A939CB1157EB@ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:22:21 -0000 Hi all, The IPRs that I'm aware of have been disclosed. Check @ https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&d= ocument_search=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Attila =20 -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of B= RUNGARD, DEBORAH A Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 9:11 PM To: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-e= xt? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please answer the ab= ove by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware = of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until= a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please s= ee the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wik= i/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, CCAMP WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your respons= e. _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From Attila.Takacs@ericsson.com Mon May 21 05:22:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECDB21F8647 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:22:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QBgfMpv7dWcx for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw7.ericsson.se (mailgw7.ericsson.se [193.180.251.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6390D21F864B for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:22:23 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-b7b55ae000002887-d8-4fba337eba1d Received: from esessmw0247.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw7.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id EF.3A.10375.E733ABF4; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:22:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.83]) by esessmw0247.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.93]) with mapi; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:22:22 +0200 From: Attila Takacs To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:22:21 +0200 Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext Thread-Index: Ac01M9r+6FZC9L2ZTt+U7hH84n69awCGEWJA Message-ID: <6477E10CC7D76444A479B9AC31F262A939CB1157EC@ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:22:24 -0000 Hi all, I'm not aware of IPR related to this document. Attila=20 -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of B= RUNGARD, DEBORAH A Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:22 PM To: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-o= am-ext? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please answer the ab= ove by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware = of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until= a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please s= ee the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wik= i/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, CCAMP WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your respons= e. _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From Attila.Takacs@ericsson.com Mon May 21 05:22:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3C421F8655 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:22:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GOSwZyqFjHWK for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw7.ericsson.se (mailgw7.ericsson.se [193.180.251.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6D421F8647 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:22:25 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-b7b55ae000002887-ee-4fba33800733 Received: from esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw7.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 14.4A.10375.0833ABF4; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:22:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.83]) by esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.96]) with mapi; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:22:24 +0200 From: Attila Takacs To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:22:23 +0200 Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext Thread-Index: Ac01NJLQQa75tlfkRIyWNJ6MPsmIyACF6MBw Message-ID: <6477E10CC7D76444A479B9AC31F262A939CB1157ED@ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:22:26 -0000 Hi all, I'm not aware of IPR related to this document. Attila =20 -----Original Message----- From: BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A [mailto:db3546@att.com]=20 Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:27 PM To: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-o= am-ext? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please answer the ab= ove by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware = of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until= a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please s= ee the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wik= i/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, CCAMP WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your respons= e. From lberger@labn.net Mon May 21 05:39:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED8521F8617 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:39:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.361 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.361 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.800, BAYES_50=0.001, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kziIrtyU9zHh for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DC85221F85F9 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17420 invoked by uid 0); 21 May 2012 12:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 12:39:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=6wvsP5V+ofu+0C8jY3sUp/nt/gE4SafbKmmyrz/3384=; b=DOhJmpFRiKByVJjE+psNhFN3McpmTQ1xW3Yjy507ZGdBxGEKnVqSsALeK0hzcoYgqJf/P/yHcKsA9atPCjGYkZk4XTdtBx0btuhmnLXabXwgCII+36mt7MhMGQ0Tuj/O; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:44925 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SWRtj-0001CE-Jc for ccamp@ietf.org; Mon, 21 May 2012 06:39:39 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBA3787.5060904@labn.net> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:39:35 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:39:43 -0000 All, This is to start a two week poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a ccamp working group document. Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the document. The poll ends Monday June 4. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) From lberger@labn.net Mon May 21 05:39:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE2121F847F for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:39:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.167 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.167 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.795, BAYES_05=-1.11, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G2cNodqm8QjI for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 26D5821F8496 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32564 invoked by uid 0); 21 May 2012 12:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 12:39:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=/xIkm5hr63JZ96MGFLNqgXHQlhqDbaS/UjDMSA+8Y94=; b=KBlQboE3y12U9p9AWVLUciZYyFm2yrAqnYkXK7r5EDsDA18/kAhzpVov0Dnt9AOdUroa0Bz6o9icHDRSkjNGYBm2M3pd0wsYoIB4XPClQuvBdVlVqdN6OeT0dTGDEvx/; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:44933 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SWRts-0001EV-Ed; Mon, 21 May 2012 06:39:48 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBA3790.50704@labn.net> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:39:44 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fatai Zhang , Dan Li , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Oscar_Gonz=E1lez_de_Dios?= , "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" , zi xiaobing X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:39:49 -0000 Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) As part of the poll on making this document a WG document: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, CCAMP WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. From lberger@labn.net Mon May 21 05:46:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02F021F8613 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:46:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.933 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.933 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.631, BAYES_20=-0.74, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4MepkB0wjmkO for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EC8321F848C for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19865 invoked by uid 0); 21 May 2012 12:46:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 12:46:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=BvNXM1+Jav8oITkImFdqWKW+t9McKuWclQIBbFJllSA=; b=dYPfRIWRw/W61CwgXwsXKCK6XibkmLTjm/Wn62F6aYJgr0dagGZ4lzyFw2zxgl70o4JPSnvrcHTTr8biqfzaAqznReAl/+yrzWRXP1AyGpE8aS6pfZXhL+epK8JnQVBr; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:45431 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SWS0c-0003dx-Ab for ccamp@ietf.org; Mon, 21 May 2012 06:46:46 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBA3932.3030907@labn.net> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:46:42 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:46:47 -0000 All, This is to start a two week poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a ccamp working group document. Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your technical reservations with the document. The poll ends Monday June 4. Please note that this document aims to satisfy certain MPLS-TP requirements that the WG has identified as part of RFC6373. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) From lberger@labn.net Mon May 21 05:46:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC5321F8609 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:46:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.736 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.736 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.425, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lxvbn02208lO for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C221321F848C for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 05:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5680 invoked by uid 0); 21 May 2012 12:46:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 21 May 2012 12:46:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Bu3gwe/RM+cRGM6WYH6fGtDIX+66Zfdw34A62G7f3SQ=; b=qhnn2Cpiy6bVB2+yLEqPInK+LEu4zjY0zWIHreGnDehrLmnqxjSqq5GgXqEHOfH8MNkdZ6LI93E2hOtDnLwAQI8g6BPGwRpQI/jwtH0Etvp/gQgdf2ed1sl5BSAdLiru; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:45441 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SWS0l-0003he-QZ; Mon, 21 May 2012 06:46:55 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBA393B.4070303@labn.net> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:46:51 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn, bao.xiao1@zte.com.cn X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:46:57 -0000 Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) As part of the poll on making this document a WG document: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, CCAMP WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. From zali@cisco.com Mon May 21 07:57:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6423C21F85A7 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:57:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rlrXBagTsvy5 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E27221F8598 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 07:57:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=zali@cisco.com; l=861; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1337612245; x=1338821845; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:in-reply-to:references:from:to; bh=AhD5787lWUNcbtEvsaCtWOXthn0bV+u1VDXrmc+qK7s=; b=ChRktILFlvvzrrMCp60eG/SdfJWwp9cqtTZwdjyCzGXjq4bpKfcKfOwY fbATDdC+v8MtL8Jp8WDSWi+2620gHv3XQO4pHsTAZjYihOYXswrWP0Jt/ 4CVsND6x//m5AlE/4zkEow5a2NtuQsYvZdSDXpGAj2EBx5ERfC31sX5T0 k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAFVXuk+tJV2d/2dsb2JhbABEtAKBB4IVAQEBBAEBAQ8BHQo0FwQCAQgOAwQBAQsGFwEGASYfCQgBAQQBEggah2wLnyifYQSLBRmEUmIDiEKaZYFkgweBQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,631,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="85144786" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 May 2012 14:57:25 +0000 Received: from xbh-rcd-302.cisco.com (xbh-rcd-302.cisco.com [72.163.63.9]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q4LEvOJh009280; Mon, 21 May 2012 14:57:24 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-103.cisco.com ([72.163.62.145]) by xbh-rcd-302.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 21 May 2012 09:57:25 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 09:57:23 -0500 Message-ID: <7CC717E2F49DAA4A827DA3FEA237111B07EEE524@XMB-RCD-103.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4FBA3787.5060904@labn.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 aWG document Thread-Index: Ac03Ts7uQx3vsgd0Tl6Z3FcWuAvr5AAEzP0g References: <4FBA3787.5060904@labn.net> From: "Zafar Ali (zali)" To: "Lou Berger" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2012 14:57:25.0206 (UTC) FILETIME=[0878A760:01CD3762] Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 aWG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 14:57:26 -0000 Support.=20 Thanks Regards ... Zafar=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Lou Berger > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:40 AM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration- > 05 aWG document >=20 > All, >=20 > This is to start a two week poll on making > draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a ccamp working > group document. Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support" > or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your technical > reservations with the document. >=20 > The poll ends Monday June 4. >=20 > Much thanks, > Lou (and Deborah) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From adrian@olddog.co.uk Mon May 21 13:27:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897EE21F8549 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 13:27:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.849 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.849 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.750, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pHks3YsYld4C for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 13:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F20121F8547 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 13:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4LKR1PP024604; Mon, 21 May 2012 21:27:01 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4LKR0OI024590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 21 May 2012 21:27:00 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Lou Berger'" , References: <4FBA3932.3030907@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FBA3932.3030907@labn.net> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:26:58 +0100 Message-ID: <12e401cd3790$132bfa80$3983ef80$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQNoOlLK3vv8emIx+Oa61BucZR889JOep1gg Content-Language: en-gb Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:27:04 -0000 Hi, I think this document needs some more work before we can work out what it is trying to achieve. The abstract contains a healthy paragraph saying that both MEPs need to exchange MEP_IDs so that OAM works. I expected that function to be found in draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext (unless it can be generalized for inclusion in draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk). Also, looking at RFC 6370, it is unclear that any work is actually needed. But, the second short paragraph of the abstract says that this I-D enables the exchange of LSP identifiers. Of course, RFC 3209 has some quite good mechanisms for that :-) So, reading on... The document also seems to propose the use of the Association object to carry this information (whatever it is). I don't think this is an appropriate use of this object - it is intended to associate LSPs with each other, not as a way of carrying additional information. *If* the problem arises because of a pair of associated LSPs that form a single bidirectional LSP service, then surely the solution belongs in draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-associated-lsp. Thus, my conclusion is that if this work is needed, it belongs distributed across the I-Ds I mention, and not in its own document. Thanks, Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Lou Berger > Sent: 21 May 2012 13:47 > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel- > num-02 a WG document > > All, > > This is to start a two week poll on making > draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a ccamp working > group document. Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support" > or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your technical > reservations with the document. > > The poll ends Monday June 4. > > Please note that this document aims to satisfy certain MPLS-TP > requirements that the WG has identified as part of RFC6373. > > Much thanks, > Lou (and Deborah) > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From sun.weiqiang@gmail.com Mon May 21 18:01:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2491121F85F6 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:01:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TCJsBEwQzkPI for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA9621F85FF for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbcwy7 with SMTP id wy7so7797280pbc.31 for ; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:01:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=user-agent:date:subject:from:to:cc:message-id:thread-topic :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NaD2/WAZkNOeOVhRcRyCZs0zCcVEIQQFB/SS9WaLs0A=; b=fJRTGgIRBWg48wth4yYEaxbN051FXj6h6yzBS2BbBLCakFZoNm7iC7ZzqovKiZFbPM ETVk34D6Lgu8WCYxzjX02ou8tVWxVGZU5Z6lCHYna3MzfVK3TD4RoVUX3VSQ7DN40lyZ 75hD2R1BWQux/1SSciZjON8mi9j7OKdX678GrD/D5pnlrnAQVbaz6hgfBpTC7M5eVZkg 80B46epllKZprt4MlAi33hno4/tJdFWYkerXMb0qTGEo1k4Vxw4vDNCiSQJnTPEg54JG wSA6HEjmAlrfNwlNXYAL1UjgtcCtw3bAjqMBhBpPBsNkQZNW4sVL8x3qQTCmeBtIRhGR 92uQ== Received: by 10.68.224.70 with SMTP id ra6mr20938072pbc.11.1337648480767; Mon, 21 May 2012 18:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.6.100] ([202.120.39.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pd9sm24816836pbc.26.2012.05.21.18.01.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 May 2012 18:01:18 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.2.120421 Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:01:07 +0800 From: Weiqiang Sun To: Lou Berger , Al Morton , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm In-Reply-To: <4FB9035D.2060301@labn.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, dbrungard@att.com Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 01:01:22 -0000 Lou, Al's comments have been helpful. And we will update the draft until the directorate review has been received. Kind regards, Weiqiang On 5/20/12 10:44 PM, "Lou Berger" wrote: >Al, > Thank you very much! > >WG, > Al is the Admin for the relatively new performance metrics directorate >(http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/performance-metrics.html) and I >asked for his/their review as part of preparation for requesting >publication of the DPM draft. > >Authors, > Please note that Al has already suggested some useful changes. I >suggest waiting until we have any additional comments from the >directorate before publishing the update that addresses them, but please >don't wait before discussing them. > >Lou > > >On 5/20/2012 9:42 AM, Al Morton wrote: >> Lou and Deborah, >> >> As requested, my brief review of the dpm draft is below. >> I've also asked for a Performance Metrics Directorate volunteer >> who could review the draft quickly. If another review is coming, >> I'll let you know. >> >> Al >> >> >>> Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:06:22 -0400 >>> To: Lou Berger >>> From: Al Morton >>> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm >>> Cc: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS)" >>> >>> Hi Lou, >>> >>> I took a quick look this morning, the authors have nicely adopted >>> the familiar metric framework used in other performance work, >>> and I like the metric naming - very straightforward to sort out >>> the names once you read the explanation in section 3, >>> although they could say explicitly how they've done it, so it lends >>> to extension in the future. >>> >>> I would suggest they give the acronym expansion in each section. >>> for example: >>> >>> >>>> 5.2. Metric Name >>>> >>>> RRFD = RESV Received, Forward Datapath >>> >>> >>> One word choice in section 1 could be improved: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> This document defines a series of performance metrics to evaluate >>>>the >>>> availability of data path during the signaling process. >>> >>> I would suggests/availability/connectivity/ >>> >>> "availability" has many more rigorous definitions than the >>> test pattern used here. >>> >>> A minor concern: >>> It seems that the length of the test signal will influence >>> the delay measurement, the simple serialization time for bits >>> in the first packet of the signal, which it seems could be a >>> Jumbo packet. This should be mentioned as it is applicable as >>> a potential source of error for all the metrics. I realize this may >>> be negligible on high speed interfaces using a single packet for >>> the test signal - but they've left the option for long test >>> signals. There is clear motivation to use small packets from a >>> performance-bias perspective. >>> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=- >>> >>> In recent news, the Performance Metrics Directorate has been formed >>> in the OPS area, and we review drafts when WG chairs request. >>> As PMDir Admin, I'd be glad to ask for a review volunteer. >>> Let me know. >>> >>> We usually try to do early review of WG doc candidates rather >>> than WG Last Call, simply because the feedback might be extensive. >>> http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/performance-metrics.html >>> >>> hope this helps, >>> Al >> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >CCAMP mailing list >CCAMP@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn Mon May 21 19:33:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C8021F854A; Mon, 21 May 2012 19:33:59 -0700 (PDT) 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Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From dieter.beller@alcatel-lucent.com Tue May 22 00:25:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F0621F84A2 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 00:25:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.791 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 64h7n5JWX8KJ for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 00:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F18321F84A0 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 00:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.61]) by smail3.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id q4M7Oj7n006686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 22 May 2012 09:25:24 +0200 Received: from [149.204.107.8] (135.120.57.7) by FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (135.120.45.61) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Tue, 22 May 2012 09:24:22 +0200 Message-ID: <4FBB3F25.6030601@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:24:21 +0200 From: Dieter Beller Organization: Alcatel-Lucent User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lou Berger References: <4FBA3787.5060904@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FBA3787.5060904@labn.net> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------080604020600070601080507" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.83 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 07:25:28 -0000 --------------080604020600070601080507 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
yes/support

Thanks,
Dieter

On 21.05.2012 14:39, Lou Berger wrote: 
All,

This is to start a two week poll on making
draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a ccamp working
group document. Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support"
or "no/do not support".  If indicating no, please state your technical
reservations with the document.

The poll ends Monday June 4.

Much thanks,
Lou (and Deborah)

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"BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Thread-Index: Ac01Kf9E9ZM6Ls0mS/ydzrhzxb+O1QCzNRtA Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:43:50 +0000 Message-ID: <27AADBCF3D83CF468918A05EC75F2084084F5ECF@szxeml525-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.147.161.175] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:47:35 -0000 Hi All, The IPRs 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Regards, Hao -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of B= RUNGARD, DEBORAH A Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 3:11 AM To: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-e= xt? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please answer the ab= ove by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of a= ny relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a resp= onse has been received from each author and listed contributor. 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Thank you, CCAMP WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your respons= e. _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From hejia@huawei.com Tue May 22 02:01:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DC721F84E4 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 02:01:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.81 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.81 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IebnNpPBhImB for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 02:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D5D21F84E6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 02:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AGK45298; Tue, 22 May 2012 05:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 22 May 2012 01:59:33 -0700 Received: from SZXEML422-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.161) by dfweml408-hub.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 22 May 2012 01:59:32 -0700 Received: from hejia (10.70.77.76) by smtpscn.huawei.com (10.82.67.161) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 22 May 2012 16:59:28 +0800 From: Hejia To: "'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 16:59:28 +0800 Message-ID: <017201cd37f9$31951290$94bf37b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac01NT7kMy7Shyg9RZqTjRCZIXmE5QCwbYBw Content-Language: zh-cn X-Originating-IP: [10.70.77.76] X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:01:17 -0000 Hi all, The IPR disclosed at http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&id_docum= ent_t ag=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk is the only one I'm aware of = that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk. B.R. Jia -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2012=C4=EA5=D4=C219=C8=D5 4:32 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: = draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk@tools.ietf.org =B3=AD=CB=CD: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org =D6=F7=CC=E2: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on = draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware = of any relevant IPR. 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Thank you, CCAMP WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From zhangfatai@huawei.com Tue May 22 02:45:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90DD21F84CF for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 02:45:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kw7BLWrQIZn5 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 02:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1840521F84A5 for ; 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boundary="=_alternative 003AC84D48257A06_=" X-MAIL: mse02.zte.com.cn q4MAg0xR085912 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:42:22 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 003AC84D48257A06_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" yes/support Xihua Fu > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Lou Berger > Sent: 21 May 2012 13:47 > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel- > num-02 a WG document > > All, > > This is to start a two week poll on making > draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a ccamp working > group document. 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Xihua Fu


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Lou Berger
> Sent: 21 May 2012 13:47
> To: ccamp@ietf.org
> Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-
> num-02 a WG document
>
> All,
>
> This is to start a two week poll on making
> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a ccamp working
> group document. Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support"
> or "no/do not support".  If indicating no, please state your technical
> reservations with the document.
>
> The poll ends Monday June 4.
>
> Please note that this document aims to satisfy certain MPLS-TP
> requirements that the WG has identified as part of RFC6373.
>
> Much thanks,
> Lou (and Deborah)
>
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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --=_alternative 003AC84D48257A06_=-- From ogondio@tid.es Tue May 22 05:45:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE32F21F8601 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 05:45:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id auD+TGtCUv1u for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 05:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from correo-bck.tid.es (correo-bck.tid.es [195.235.93.200]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D490121F85F6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 05:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbrightmailg02.hi.inet (Sbrightmailg02.hi.inet [10.95.78.105]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0M4F00FQ4CROAH@tid.hi.inet> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:45:28 +0200 (MEST) Received: from vanvan (vanvan.hi.inet [10.95.78.49]) by sbrightmailg02.hi.inet (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 1B.97.19676.86A8BBF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:45:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from correo.tid.es (mailhost.hi.inet [10.95.64.100]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPS id <0M4F00FQBCRRAH@tid.hi.inet> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:45:28 +0200 (MEST) Received: from EXCLU2K7.hi.inet ([10.95.67.65]) by htcasmad1.hi.inet ([192.168.0.1]) with mapi; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:45:27 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 14:44:51 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Oscar_Gonz=E1lez_de_Dios?= In-reply-to: <4FBA3787.5060904@labn.net> To: Lou Berger , "ccamp@ietf.org" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-language: es-ES Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Thread-topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a WG document Thread-index: Ac03TvXBoLGS/aQqTfS7x6/9qI+QmQAyYAKA acceptlanguage: es-ES, en-US X-AuditID: 0a5f4e69-b7fe06d000004cdc-15-4fbb8a6814d5 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprCKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXCFe9nqJvRtdvf4OU/QYsnc26wODB6LFny kymAMYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoEr486OdcwFizgrlvzoZm9gvMrexcjJISFgIvHrzxYoW0ziwr31 bCC2kMB2RomuNX5djFxA9k9GiTNH/zFDOI2MEh9ffWcGqWIRUJVY/Go/E4jNJuAgsW5RL1i3 sECcxPStzWA2p4CGxPH2WyxdjBwcIgIuEk/Wx4KEeQU8JZZsmsYEYQtK/Jh8jwXEZhbQkej9 /o0ZwhaXmPNrIiuErS3x5N0FMJtRQFZi5fnTjCC2iEC8xJPV59ggbCOJ3283QtXISPxfvpcF 4jEBiSV7zjND2KISLx//Y4V4Ul3i+cGDbBMYxWYhOWMWkjNmITljFpIzFjCyrGIUK04qykzP KMlNzMxJNzDSy8jUy8xLLdnECImWzB2My3eqHGIU4GBU4uF1qNzlL8SaWFZcmXuIUZKDSUmU 16l+t78QX1J+SmVGYnFGfFFpTmrxIUYJDmYlEd5NbUDlvCmJlVWpRfkwKRkODiUJ3qROoDbB otT01Iq0zBxgSoBJM3FwgrTzALXPBanhLS5IzC3OTIfIn2JU5Ti9Zdk1RiGWvPy8VClx3rUg RQIgRRmleXBzXjGKAx0szOsHkuUBJjW4Ca+AhjMBDQ96sRNkeEkiQkqqgXHT7RZ++XMLDsoI BK1K7b/h8GLbbPG6gAM6XA9OSD5uVJT5VPXuR6lmhug1jxly/1n78vOUvjNvuegcXJ71cSb7 O5/YtaX2E0pY8goKirdNDg0QWne3lifwqrCazMY2vtZlaZczLJ7wv9+3qiT1CE8O72T21acm nKjdOf1of927IE+lA64HJymxFGckGmoxFxUnAgCOBefmJwMAAA== References: <4FBA3787.5060904@labn.net> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:45:31 -0000 Support (as coauthor) Best Regards, =D3scar -----Mensaje original----- De: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] En nombre de Lou= Berger Enviado el: lunes, 21 de mayo de 2012 14:40 Para: ccamp@ietf.org Asunto: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a= WG document All, This is to start a two week poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a ccamp working group document. = Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your technical rese= rvations with the document. The poll ends Monday June 4. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nu= estra pol=EDtica de env=EDo y recepci=F3n de correo electr=F3nico en el enl= ace situado m=E1s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and re= ceive email on the basis of the terms set out at http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx From ogondio@tid.es Tue May 22 05:47:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CCE21F861E for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 05:47:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.700, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K1nSeZyqHC57 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 05:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tidos.tid.es (tidos.tid.es [195.235.93.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A0521F861D for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 05:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbrightmailg01.hi.inet (sbrightmailg01.hi.inet [10.95.64.104]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0M4F00B48CVAKA@tid.hi.inet> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:47:34 +0200 (MEST) Received: from tid (tid.hi.inet [10.95.64.10]) by sbrightmailg01.hi.inet (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 46.9A.19438.6EA8BBF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:47:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from correo.tid.es (mailhost.hi.inet [10.95.64.100]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPS id <0M4F00B42CVAKA@tid.hi.inet> for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:47:34 +0200 (MEST) Received: from EXCLU2K7.hi.inet ([10.95.67.65]) by htcasmad1.hi.inet ([192.168.0.1]) with mapi; Tue, 22 May 2012 14:47:33 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 14:46:57 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Oscar_Gonz=E1lez_de_Dios?= In-reply-to: <4FBA3790.50704@labn.net> To: Lou Berger , Fatai Zhang , Dan Li , "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" , zi xiaobing Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-language: es-ES Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Thread-topic: Regarding IPR on draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration Thread-index: Ac03TwO8Nm6APEUgQpiLipGKR/XkpAAybPxg acceptlanguage: es-ES, en-US X-AuditID: 0a5f4068-b7f5c6d000004bee-be-4fbb8ae6ac6a X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrIKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXCFe/Apfusa7e/wfmjshZP5txgcWD0WLLk J1MAYxSXTUpqTmZZapG+XQJXxqbVn1kLtglU3Niykb2BcS5vFyMnh4SAicT3C9PYIWwxiQv3 1rN1MXJxCAlsZJQ4s+U3I4Tzk1Gi/9FhqEwjo8Ty9ueMIC0sAqoSWz4tYgGx2QQcJNYt6mUD sYUFXCW+b7gHZHNwcAqoSdzdJgrSKyJwilFiyvUTYL3MAlISu973sIPU8Ap4Suy5XgMS5hUQ lPgx+R4LRImORO/3b8wQtrjEnF8TWSFsbYkn7y6A2YwCshIrz58GGyki4Cbxs+sMG4RtJHF4 9yo2iBoZif/L97JAfCkgsWTPeWYIW1Ti5eN/YHOEgF75dOoK0wRG8VlIzpiF5IxZSM6YheSM BYwsqxjFipOKMtMzSnITM3PSDQz1MjL1MvNSSzYxQuIoYwfj8p0qhxgFOBiVeHg5S3b7C7Em lhVX5h5ilORgUhLldaoHCvEl5adUZiQWZ8QXleakFh9ilOBgVhLh3dS2y1+INyWxsiq1KB8m JcPBoSTBKwaMeSHBotT01Iq0zBxgsoBJM3FwgrTzALWLgtTwFhck5hZnpkPkTzGqcpzesuwa oxBLXn5eqpQ4rzBIkQBIUUZpHtycV4ziQAcL87KDZHmA6Q5uwiug4UxAw4Ne7AQZXpKIkJJq YMwSePaY7fNHfbGd/ZyTOuctZP3MxCrHdZflpaLPrZwtd1alvLr40NHvTOrBgLX2W3tcv89Y IHA3denOsJsdfyaIfN99490Okwf5GprGNsKF0z/tUhRSWnBP0Pv2sQyZvw4HOo0ezKxzObJ6 0qKkZR8V191Mv9jzZImvp9Ke5ZExJnMC1zo9bV+gxFKckWioxVxUnAgA78hvsTQDAAA= References: <4FBA3790.50704@labn.net> Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:47:36 -0000 Dear WG chairs, I am not aware of any IPR regarding draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration= . Best Regards, =D3scar -----Mensaje original----- De: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] Enviado el: lunes, 21 de mayo de 2012 14:40 Para: Fatai Zhang; Dan Li; Oscar Gonz=E1lez de Dios; Margaria, Cyril (NSN -= DE/Munich); zi xiaobing CC: CCAMP Asunto: Regarding IPR on draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) As part of the poll on making this document a WG document: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configur= ation? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the abo= ve by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware o= f any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until= a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOT= E: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. 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We only send and re= ceive email on the basis of the terms set out at http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx From ke-kumaki@kddi.com Tue May 22 05:52:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBC821F84A5 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 05:52:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.855 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.855 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.745, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jrGFgiOnxdys for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 05:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UTMC1101.kddi.com (athena.kddi.com [210.141.112.39]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538A721F84A2 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 05:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UTMC1137 (unknown [10.5.16.210]) by UTMC1101.kddi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A657912CF; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:52:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from UTMC1122.kddi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.kddi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767014C28; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:52:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from LTMC1004.kddi.com (unknown [10.5.16.215]) by UTMC1122.kddi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598E64B6E; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:52:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from LTMC1004.kddi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by LTMC1004.kddi.com with ESMTP id q4MCqlCJ001214; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:52:48 +0900 Received: from LTMC1004.kddi.com.mid_6654868 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by LTMC1004.kddi.com with ESMTP id q4MCliLp032018; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:47:44 +0900 Received: from KDDI-1202PC0730 ([10.200.129.120] [10.200.129.120]) by post-zip.kddi.com with ESMTPA; Tue, 22 May 2012 21:47:44 +0900 To: lberger@labn.net From: Kenji Kumaki References: <4F5772F6.2090500@labn.net> <201205211105.IAH69216.FVLBJLNLt@kddi.com> In-Reply-To: <201205211105.IAH69216.FVLBJLNLt@kddi.com> Message-Id: <201205222147.DIG12471.BLNJLFtLV@kddi.com> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.51 PL4] X-Accept-Language: ja,en,zh Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 21:47:44 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-SA-MID: 6654868 X-WAuditID: 1205222152480000728615 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:52:53 -0000 Hi Lou, To clarify: > Are you *aware* of any IPR that applies to > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib? No. Thanks, Kenji <201205211105.IAH69216.FVLBJLNLt@kddi.com> $B$N!"(B "Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib" $B$K$*$$$F!"(B "Kenji Kumaki "$B$5$s$O=q$-$^$7$?!'(B > Hi Lou, > > Sorry for the delayed response. > I have no IPR for this draft. > > Thanks, > Kenji > > -- > Kenji Kumaki, Ph.D. > Head of Internet Core Engineering Section > IP Transport Development Department > KDDI Corporation > > <4F5772F6.2090500@labn.net> $B$N!"(B > "Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib" $B$K$*$$$F!"(B > "Lou Berger "$B$5$s$O=q$-$^$7$?!'(B > > > Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) > > > > In preparation of this document for publication request: > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib? > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS > > MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > > > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or > > contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules > > which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of > > others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any > > contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more > > information, please see the RFCs listed above and > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > > > Thank you, > > CCAMP WG Chairs > > > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > > response. > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > From zhangfatai@huawei.com Tue May 22 06:08:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188A821F84F0 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:08:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-4.449, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NAoEWVisrb7J for ; 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bh=zsyxT5UYwq3eJxO9xizoK+r2sOx5uJWde3TOKPkgbzI=; b=SxTfNWG74hqzKW8xOCo60EeR2ZeQXImH4lriUMWlL3/02D6THyVirfdg8IUb32Rl/IldWqLRPHk79r+MIt1JwMAcBn9SPx2xBPZd00xJ9jXyc9ffms6NojEwoLLosEfQ; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:49430 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SWoqY-0002S7-PM; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:09:55 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBB901E.3000900@labn.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:09:50 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kenji Kumaki References: <4F5772F6.2090500@labn.net> <201205211105.IAH69216.FVLBJLNLt@kddi.com> <201205222147.DIG12471.BLNJLFtLV@kddi.com> In-Reply-To: <201205222147.DIG12471.BLNJLFtLV@kddi.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:09:56 -0000 Kenji, Thank you for the clarification! Lou On 5/22/2012 8:47 AM, Kenji Kumaki wrote: > Hi Lou, > > To clarify: > > Are you *aware* of any IPR that applies to > > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib? > > No. > > Thanks, > Kenji > > <201205211105.IAH69216.FVLBJLNLt@kddi.com> $B$N!"(B > "Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib" > $B$K$*$$$F!"(B > "Kenji Kumaki "$B$5$s$O=q$-$^$7$?!'(B > >> Hi Lou, >> >> Sorry for the delayed response. >> I have no IPR for this draft. >> >> Thanks, >> Kenji >> >> -- >> Kenji Kumaki, Ph.D. >> Head of Internet Core Engineering Section >> IP Transport Development Department >> KDDI Corporation >> >> <4F5772F6.2090500@labn.net> $B$N!"(B >> "Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib" $B$K$*$$$F!"(B >> "Lou Berger "$B$5$s$O=q$-$^$7$?!'(B >> >>> Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) >>> >>> In preparation of this document for publication request: >>> >>> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib? >>> >>> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >>> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? >>> >>> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the >>> above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are >>> aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next >>> stage until a response has been received from each author and listed >>> contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS >>> MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >>> >>> If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or >>> contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules >>> which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of >>> others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any >>> contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more >>> information, please see the RFCs listed above and >>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> CCAMP WG Chairs >>> >>> PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your >>> response. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >> > > > > From kam.lam@alcatel-lucent.com Tue May 22 06:24:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E0521F846B for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:24:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xAvfqqCy1UoD for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail3.lucent.com (ihemail3.lucent.com [135.245.0.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7842D21F8466 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usnavsmail1.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail1.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.9]) by ihemail3.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id q4MDOoDw013058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 22 May 2012 08:24:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from USNAVSXCHHUB01.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsxchhub01.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.110]) by usnavsmail1.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id q4MDOoYk012747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 22 May 2012 08:24:50 -0500 Received: from USNAVSXCHMBSA2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.3.39.119]) by USNAVSXCHHUB01.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.3.39.110]) with mapi; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:24:50 -0500 From: "Lam, Hing-Kam (Kam)" To: Lou Berger , "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:24:52 -0500 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a WG document Thread-Index: Ac03Ts+Vzv+2PxJyQZa23kxn+oLHIQAz1oTg Message-ID: <7F76AEFB05C38145BABA0D545E3CFFD5BC1692F6@USNAVSXCHMBSA2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <4FBA3787.5060904@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FBA3787.5060904@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.37 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.9 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:24:52 -0000 Yes/support Regards, Kam > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Lou Berger > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:40 AM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa- > configuration-05 a WG document >=20 > All, >=20 > This is to start a two week poll on making > draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a ccamp working > group document. Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support" > or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your technical > reservations with the document. >=20 > The poll ends Monday June 4. >=20 > Much thanks, > Lou (and Deborah) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Tue May 22 06:36:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A6521F85D6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:36:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iKyDNF1pnnwf for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F6A21F85C7 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 06:36:58 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7fac6d000002e89-72-4fbb9679b703 Received: from esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id BA.ED.11913.9769BBF4; Tue, 22 May 2012 15:36:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0360.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.167]) by esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.90]) with mapi; Tue, 22 May 2012 15:36:56 +0200 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: Lou Berger , "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:36:56 +0200 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a WG document Thread-Index: Ac03Ts48j1UAU3LwRxiIJhS9ft77bwA0SB8w Message-ID: References: <4FBA3787.5060904@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FBA3787.5060904@labn.net> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: it-IT, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrNLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+JvrW7ltN3+Bu27VS2ezLnBYtHR/JbF gcljyZKfTB4fNjWzBTBFcdmkpOZklqUW6dslcGW0PdnNWLCLrWLxlwesDYy7WbsYOTkkBEwk WuYcYoGwxSQu3FvP1sXIxSEkcIpR4m3Da0YIZyGjxIrdt5m6GDk42ASsJJ4c8gExRQRcJJ6s jwXpZRFQldi8YwvYTGGBOImrj5YzgdgiAvESy1ZfYoWwjSR+P7jGDmLzCoRLTJnSyAhiCwmo Szw/eJANxOYU0JDY+/chWD2jgKzEhN2LwGqYBcQlbj2ZzwRxp4DEkj3nmSFsUYmXj/9B1ctI /Nr0jRWiXk/ixtQpbBC2tsSyha+ZIfYKSpyc+YRlAqPoLCRjZyFpmYWkZRaSlgWMLKsYhXMT M3PSyw31Uosyk4uL8/P0ilM3MQIj5OCW37o7GE+dEznEKM3BoiTOu9lgl7+QQHpiSWp2ampB alF8UWlOavEhRiYOTqkGxpTqw+EMLD6b8+5fio58lnPlkUuY0Z0lW4W4vPlOTf+6mHGbsrzn 5TP35Oyfa/BIne4xcub3Td82ld3r16HHE+tkw3N+iqw4LGXI4ntlV4FeyqTV/tsTsx7P8PlW Kfwzc72lbvim7jOL4q6szHG06KzgdTw6m3GV3gWN+qg2vT++bBnG03JilFiKMxINtZiLihMB BEOGRF4CAAA= Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:36:59 -0000 Yes/support BR Daniele=20 >-----Original Message----- >From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org]=20 >On Behalf Of Lou Berger >Sent: luned=EC 21 maggio 2012 14.40 >To: ccamp@ietf.org >Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making=20 >draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a WG document > >All, > >This is to start a two week poll on making >draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a ccamp working=20 >group document. Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support" >or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your=20 >technical reservations with the document. > >The poll ends Monday June 4. > >Much thanks, >Lou (and Deborah) > >_______________________________________________ >CCAMP mailing list >CCAMP@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >= From lberger@labn.net Tue May 22 07:09:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01C921F85FD for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.858 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.858 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.303, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9IwQjYqyOKfX for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:09:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BE81D21F8623 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 07:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24795 invoked by uid 0); 22 May 2012 14:09:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 May 2012 14:09:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=5dBcwJ9OPCmoEGDrtf+Ar09Glsk4hbk7IoCs4s/qbNc=; b=EP5T2shsJGEpwkyKs6uM0XnR+z/UO62pb43RgYEWw7R3Smvg47rtO5MZwmKII7uQaznzp+NdI7G6gWE7EnJZQbU7s9+p0E0AHpg2yAwlUbHE3bIIVpYGj6bbQlW9zCnk; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:54387 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SWpmC-0006ZM-1j; Tue, 22 May 2012 08:09:28 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBB9E14.5040400@labn.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:09:24 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Farrel , CCAMP , The IESG X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] Please publish draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-13.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 14:09:32 -0000 Proto-write-up for: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-13.txt > (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, > Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Standards Track. > Why is this the proper type of RFC? It defines a Management Information Base. > Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Yes. > > > (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement > Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent > examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved > documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This memo defines the Management Information Base (MIB) objects in order to manage traffic engineering database (TED) information with extension in support of Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) with traffic engineering (TE) as well as Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) for use with network management protocols. > Working Group Summary > > Was there anything in WG process that is worth noting? For > example, was there controversy about particular points or > were there decisions where the consensus was particularly > rough? This document has been in the WG for a very long time, with significant time/delays due to extended review and revision cycles. There were no objections raised to it's publication. > Document Quality > > Are there existing implementations of the protocol? Have a > significant number of vendors indicated their plan to > implement the specification? Are there any reviewers that > merit special mention as having done a thorough review, > e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a > conclusion that the document had no substantive issues? If > there was a MIB Doctor, Media Type or other expert review, > what was its course (briefly)? In the case of a Media Type > review, on what date was the request posted? > Implementation status is unknown (as is often the case). The document has been through many review cycles, including review by a MIB Doctor. Details are on the WG list. > > Personnel > > Who is the Document Shepherd? Who is the Responsible Area > Director? Lou Berger is the Document Shepherd. Adrian Farrel is the Area Director. > > (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by > the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready > for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to > the IESG. To document was reviewed a number of times as it progressed through the WG, as well as during WG last call. The document is ready for publication. > > > (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or > breadth of the reviews that have been performed? > No concerns. > > (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from > broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, > DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that > took place. The document has been revied by a MIB Doctor. > (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd > has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the > IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable > with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really > is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and > has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those > concerns here. No concerns. > (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR > disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 > and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Yes. > (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? > If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR > disclosures. No. > (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it > represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others > being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? The WG supports this document, but not may are passionate about it. > (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme > discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate > email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a > separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) No. > (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this > document. (See http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts > Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be > thorough. No issues. > (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review > criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. This document has been reviewed by a, Joan Cucchiara. > (13) Have all references within this document been identified as > either normative or informative? Yes. > (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for > advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative > references exist, what is the plan for their completion? No. > (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? > If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the > Last Call procedure. No. > (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any > existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed > in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not > listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the > part of the document where the relationship of this document to the > other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, > explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No. > (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations > section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the > document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes > are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. > Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly > identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a > detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that > allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a > reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). The sole IANA consideration is as follows, and appears appropriate to the Document Shepherd: The IANA is requested to assign {transmission XXX } to the TED-MIB module specified in this document. > (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future > allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find > useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. Not applicable. > (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document > Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal > language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. MIB definitions were verified by the MIB Doctor. From zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn Tue May 22 18:39:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C62621F86D3 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:39:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -95.035 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-95.035 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0.76, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3cpuv1iywCXm for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx5.zte.com.cn (mx6.zte.com.cn [95.130.199.165]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E71121F86B0 for ; Tue, 22 May 2012 18:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.30.17.100] by mx5.zte.com.cn with surfront esmtp 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ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19D821F863C for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:30:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MqYwMCGO8Egb for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com (ihemail2.lucent.com [135.245.0.35]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636CD21F86A4 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usnavsmail2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.10]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id q4NIUVpf026467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 May 2012 13:30:32 -0500 (CDT) 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X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.35 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.10 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 18:30:41 -0000 Hi All,=20 I'm not aware of IPR that applies to this draft.=20 Don=20 -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of B= RUNGARD, DEBORAH A Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:32 PM To: draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk@tools.ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration= -fwk? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please answer the ab= ove by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware = of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until= a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please s= ee the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wik= i/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, CCAMP WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your respons= e. _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From donald.fedyk@alcatel-lucent.com Wed May 23 11:58:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AF821F86D3 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:58:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 87tDCAvNKIzQ for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com (ihemail2.lucent.com [135.245.0.35]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0E321F86C5 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 11:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.11]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id q4NIwLLP009052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 May 2012 13:58:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from USNAVSXCHHUB03.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsxchhub03.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.112]) by usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id q4NIwLLL008269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 23 May 2012 13:58:21 -0500 Received: from USNAVSXCHMBSC2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.3.39.145]) by USNAVSXCHHUB03.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.3.39.112]) with mapi; Wed, 23 May 2012 13:58:21 -0500 From: "Fedyk, Donald (Don)" To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:58:20 -0500 Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Thread-Index: Ac01Kf9E9ZM6Ls0mS/ydzrhzxb+O1QD69C7g Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.35 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.11 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 18:58:34 -0000 Hi All,=20 I'm not aware of IPR that applies to this draft.=20 Don -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of B= RUNGARD, DEBORAH A Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 3:11 PM To: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-e= xt? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please answer the ab= ove by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of a= ny relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a resp= onse has been received from each author and listed contributor. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules whi= ch encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an I= ETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discu= ssion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs= listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPrope= rty. Thank you, CCAMP WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your respons= e. _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From tang.kexin@zte.com.cn Wed May 23 17:42:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0FE11E808E; Wed, 23 May 2012 17:42:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.838 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.838 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0.76, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3fXQy7W14dVE; Wed, 23 May 2012 17:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx5.zte.com.cn (mx6.zte.com.cn [95.130.199.165]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F8021F86A5; Wed, 23 May 2012 17:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.30.17.99] by mx5.zte.com.cn with surfront esmtp id 286201461793122; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:57:06 +0800 (CST) Received: from [10.30.3.20] by [192.168.168.15] with StormMail ESMTP id 33453.1973556129; Thu, 24 May 2012 08:42:30 +0800 (CST) Received: from notes_smtp.zte.com.cn ([10.30.1.239]) by mse01.zte.com.cn with ESMTP id q4O0gPis070258; Thu, 24 May 2012 08:42:25 +0800 (GMT-8) (envelope-from tang.kexin@zte.com.cn) In-Reply-To: To: "'Lou Berger'" , ccamp@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: EB2B5001:325C7383-48257A07:00097213; type=4; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.6 March 06, 2007 Message-ID: From: tang.kexin@zte.com.cn Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 08:42:15 +0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes_smtp/zte_ltd(Release 8.5.1FP4|July 25, 2010) at 2012-05-24 08:42:26, Serialize complete at 2012-05-24 08:42:26 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0004010D48257A08_=" X-MAIL: mse01.zte.com.cn q4O0gPis070258 Cc: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 00:42:41 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0004010D48257A08_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" yes / support Regards, Kexin Tang > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Lou Berger > Sent: 21 May 2012 13:47 > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel- > num-02 a WG document > > All, > > This is to start a two week poll on making > draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a ccamp working > group document. 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yes / support

Regards,

Kexin Tang


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Lou Berger
> Sent: 21 May 2012 13:47
> To: ccamp@ietf.org
> Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-
> num-02 a WG document
>
> All,
>
> This is to start a two week poll on making
> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a ccamp working
> group document. Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support"
> or "no/do not support".  If indicating no, please state your technical
> reservations with the document.
>
> The poll ends Monday June 4.
>
> Please note that this document aims to satisfy certain MPLS-TP
> requirements that the WG has identified as part of RFC6373.
>
> Much thanks,
> Lou (and Deborah)
>
> _______________________________________________
> CCAMP mailing list
> CCAMP@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp

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--=_alternative 0004010D48257A08_=-- From mach.chen@huawei.com Wed May 23 18:31:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A8321F85D5 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 18:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GkcgQQ7pmHtL for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 18:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674A621F85D1 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 18:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AGF02205; Wed, 23 May 2012 21:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.102) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Wed, 23 May 2012 18:29:30 -0700 Received: from SZXEML417-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.156) by dfweml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.102) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Wed, 23 May 2012 18:29:29 -0700 Received: from SZXEML511-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.69]) by szxeml417-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.156]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 24 May 2012 09:29:26 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: Lou Berger , "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document Thread-Index: AQHNN0/RII+Q9L+hrEKIK8n2hsAfuJbVHU5w Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 01:29:26 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4FBA3932.3030907@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FBA3932.3030907@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.4.122] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 01:31:50 -0000 Hi, I have a question here, the draft seems to extends RSVP-TE to carry the Glo= bal_ID and tunnel_num, I remember that draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-ext has alrea= dy defined how to carry the Global_ID, and RFC 3209 and RFC 3473 have defin= ed how to carry the Tunnel_Num. Why we need another draft to do this again? Many thanks, Mach > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:47 PM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making > draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >=20 > All, >=20 > This is to start a two week poll on making > draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a ccamp working > group document. Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support" > or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your technical > reservations with the document. >=20 > The poll ends Monday June 4. >=20 > Please note that this document aims to satisfy certain MPLS-TP > requirements that the WG has identified as part of RFC6373. >=20 > Much thanks, > Lou (and Deborah) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn Wed May 23 19:20:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269BF21F86AD; Wed, 23 May 2012 19:20:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.335 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.335 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0.76, 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It seems that it only appeared on the archive but not on the mailing = list. :-( B.R. Jia -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Hejia [mailto:hejia@huawei.com]=20 =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2012=C4=EA5=D4=C222=C8=D5 16:59 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: 'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'; 'draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk@tools.ietf.org' =B3=AD=CB=CD: 'ccamp@ietf.org'; 'ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org' =D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on = draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk Hi all, The IPR disclosed at http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&id_docum= ent_t ag=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk is the only one I'm aware of = that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk. B.R. 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Thank you, CCAMP WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From mach.chen@huawei.com Wed May 23 20:36:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181B611E80BD; Wed, 23 May 2012 20:36:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GS7PtiGS05dl; Wed, 23 May 2012 20:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 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{1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-06 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:06:52 -0000 Daniele, Given the number of authors involved in the thread and us clearly not quickly converging, perhaps it's time for a higher bandwidth exchange. I propose that we setup a conference call to discuss and report back our conclusion to the list. I'll contact the authors off-list to coordinate (if anyone else wants to join the phone call, just drop me or the authors mail.) Lou On 5/24/2012 9:25 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Just to change Author at each reply :-) > > Please find answers inline with respect to adaptation object type 2 (hierarchy), while could you please answer the following question wrt adaptation object type 1? > >>> Our proposal to use a new object was also to avoid changing (or >>> overloading) meaning of G-PID. >>> >>> Said that nothing prevent to come back to G-PID. >>> >>> You example above is anyway wrong : there is no ODUj GMP >> mapping with PT=20. >>> >>> So you should have e.g.: >>> >>> >>> >>> new G-PID value = ODUj-AMP (PT=20 TSG=2.5) >>> >>> new G-PID value = ODUj-AMP (PT=20 TSG=1.25) (ODU0-->OPU1) >>> >>> new G-PID value = ODUj-AMP (PT=21 TSG=1.25) >>> >>> new G-PID value = ODUj-GMP (PT=21 TSG=1.25) >>> >>> >>> >>> Is it this solution preferable than a new object ? > > > BR > Authors > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] >> On Behalf Of Lou Berger >> Sent: marted¨¬ 15 maggio 2012 13.34 >> To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >> Cc: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] comment on >> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-06 >> >> >> Sergio/Fatai/Authors, >> >> interesting formatting.... >> >> On 5/10/2012 10:04 AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote: >>> Lou, >>> >>> >>> >>> see our comments in line, we hope to have reached a common >>> understanding >>> >>> >> Perhaps. Let me try to take one step back: >> >> Do I understand correctly from you mail that you hold the following >> positions: >> >> 1) the ADAPTATION Object only represents the N (where N>1) >> layers of the hierarchy *above* the LSP being signaled. >> > > AUTHORS> Quoting the draft: > A row for the server stage MUST NOT be included as it is already > signaled via the Traffic Parameters. > So bullet 1) is correct if you say "...N (where N>0) layers of the herarchy *above*..." because in the case of e.g. dual stage muxing, the N layers above the LSP being signaled (server layer) are equal to 1 (N>1 is not correct). > >> and >> >> 2) It is acceptable to use standard GMPLS fields to >> represent/signal an ODU LSP as well as the payload type it >> carries (i.e., which may be +1 in an ODU hierarchy or a client signal). >> > > AUTHORS> > Let's take this hierarchy as example: Eth->ODU2->ODU3->ODU4 > > -Eth is already managed via G-PID > -ODU4 is already managed via traffic parametes > -ODU2 and ODU3 is what we want to deal with via the ADAPTATION Object. > > > From your summary we understand that it is actually possible to manage the Eth, ODU3 and ODU4 layers while there is only need to add something (e.g. ADAPTATION obeject) for the ODU2. Is this correct? If yes, how? > > >> If this correct, than I agree we're closer to a common understanding. >> >> Thanks, >> Lou >> >>> >>> AUTHORS >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Messaggio originale----- >>> >>> Da: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> >>> Inviato: domenica 6 maggio 2012 18.32 >>> >>> A: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>> >>> Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; CCAMP; >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org; Fatai Zhang >>> >>> Oggetto: Re: R: R: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sergio, Authors, >>> >>> See below for in-line response. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/3/2012 4:07 AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote: >>> >>>> Lou, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> See in line marked AUTHORS and attached mail from which we extracted >>> for your convenience a part on your thoughts regarding G-PID. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Best Regards >>> >>>> >>> >>>> AUTHORS >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -----Messaggio originale----- >>> >>>> Da: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> >>>> Inviato: venerd¨¬ 27 aprile 2012 14.19 >>> >>>> A: Fatai Zhang >>> >>>> Cc: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Daniele Ceccarelli; CCAMP; >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org >>> >>>> Oggetto: Re: R: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Fatai, Authors, see below. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 4/27/2012 2:36 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>> >>>>> Hi Lou, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Please see in-line below. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Thanks >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Fatai >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> >>>>> Sent: 2012Äê4ÔÂ24ÈÕ 0:52 >>> >>>>> To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Daniele Ceccarelli >>> >>>>> Cc: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org; >>>>> Fatai >>> >>>>> Zhang >>> >>>>> Subject: Re: R: [CCAMP] A couple of comments on >>> >>>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Sergio, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> See below. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 4/19/2012 11:03 AM, BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Hi Lou, >>> >>>>>> For question 1) >>> >>>>>> TSG is an adaptation information that has meaning only in the >>>>>> context >>> >>>>>> of OTN multiplexing. Nothing to do with G-PID that >> obviously has to >>> >>>>>> carry information regarding client so, ODUj. Moreover TSG >>>>>> information >>> >>>>>> could not be done with G-PID, because this TSG information only >>>>>> makes >>> >>>>>> sense to the penultimate hop and G-PID cannot specify >> 1.25 or 2.5G >>>>>> so >>> >>>>>> far. In this case,47 (ODUj) will be carried in G-PID. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> This could equally be accomplished using 2 G-PID values, e.g., >>> >>>>> 47=ODUj-2.5G TSG, 48-ODUj-1.25G ( or 3 if you also want one to >>>>> indicate >>> >>>>> either.) >>> >>>>> BTW you might want to reread the definition of G-PID with >> respect to >>> >>>>> penultimate hop. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> [Fatai] Your suggestion makes sense. I think either way is OK. We >>>>> could >>> >>>>> use 2 G-PID values if WG prefer to this way. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> If you're okay either way, why are you even leaving the door open >>>>> for >>> >>>>> defining a new mechanism to do what can already be done with an >>>>> existing >>> >>>>> mechanisms? IMO, do so when there is no strong technical >> motivation >>>>> is >>> >>>>> simply wrong. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> Do you (or anyone else) see any reason to justify not using the >>>>> existing >>> >>>> mechanism? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> AUTHORS> Lou, we attached a mail sent by you in September , during >>>> AUTHORS> the >>> long discussion, in which we proposed the usage of G-PID to >> carry TSG >>> information and you had different opinion. >>> >>>> During this long mails exchange , you suggested to use >> Encoding Type >>>> to >>> carry TSG information. At the end, we , as authors, >> suggested to use a >>> new object to be more open also to possible extension (like >> adaptation >>> info). >>> >>>> >>> >>>> This is the story of this issue and this is why we did not >> fall again >>> into G-PID option. What is changed ? >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Good question/catch. As I recall the quoted discussion, >>> it was focused >>> >>> on the non-hierarchical LSP case and my comments were made in that >>> >>> context. My understanding from this current discussion is that the >>> new >>> >>> G-PID values would *only* be used in the hierarchy-case. >>> >>> >>> >>> AUTHORS> Where to put information regarding TSG is valid both for >>> non-hierarchical as well as for hierarchical. >>> >>> So, discussion we had are valid now as before. >>> >>> >>> >>> You may have also missed my comment on the list that was sent *after* >>> >>> the mail that you attached: >>> >>> >>> >>> AUTHORS> No ,we remember very well your preference for >> Encoding option. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/25/2011 6:37 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >>> >>>> 5) Note that the Encoding field may be impacted by the still >>>> unresolved >>> >>>> discussion related to TSG/PT that took place a couple of >> weeks ago on >>> >>>> the list. (I'm personally leaning towards representing PT in >>>> encoding >>> >>>> as this better matches what happens in the data plane and is more >>> >>>> closely aligned to the general definition of the encoding field.) >>> >>> >>> >>> Your question also triggered me to remember a key difference in how >>> >>> this problem is often discussed and how G.709 represents it. IMO >>> GMPLS >>> >>> modeling/support should match G.709 to the maximum extent >> possible, so >>> >>> my example should have been in terms of Payload Type. That is: >>> >>>> 2 G-PID values, e.g., 47=ODUj-2.5G TSG, 48-ODUj-1.25G >>> >>> should have been >>> >>> 2 G-PID values, e.g.,47=ODUj-AMP (G.709 PT=0x20), 48-ODUj-GMP (G.709 >>> >>> PT=0x20) >>> >>> >>> >>> AUTHORS> Lou, obviously, as discussed time ago, G-PID can be used for >>> this purpose even if , we concluded together it is not the >> best choice. >>> >>> >>> >>> Our proposal to use a new object was also to avoid changing (or >>> overloading) meaning of G-PID. >>> >>> Said that nothing prevent to come back to G-PID. >>> >>> You example above is anyway wrong : there is no ODUj GMP >> mapping with PT=20. >>> >>> So you should have e.g.: >>> >>> >>> >>> new G-PID value = ODUj-AMP (PT=20 TSG=2.5) >>> >>> new G-PID value = ODUj-AMP (PT=20 TSG=1.25) (ODU0-->OPU1) >>> >>> new G-PID value = ODUj-AMP (PT=21 TSG=1.25) >>> >>> new G-PID value = ODUj-GMP (PT=21 TSG=1.25) >>> >>> >>> >>> Is it this solution preferable than a new object ? >>> >>> >>> >>> [The following was inserted from the old thread] >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> >>>>> Sent: mercoled¨¬ 28 settembre 2011 17.37 >>> >>>>> To: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>> >>>>> Cc: CCAMP; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO) >>> >>>>> Subject: Re: R: [CCAMP] Thought on where to carry G.709-v3 TSG >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Sergio and Pietro, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> It sounds like we should get in-sync on where TSG information is >>> >>>>> needed first then talk about how to carry it. So, I said: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> As I understand it, TSG is needed at: >>> >>>>>> (a) the endpoints that terminate the signal/LSP to ensure proper >>> >>>>>> adaptation. >>> >>>>>> (b) the 2nd and penultimate hops to ensure the proper >>> >>>>>> interface/H-LSP selection. >>> >>>>>> (c) Intermediate nodes for proper TS allocation. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >From your mail, I infer that you agree on (a) and (b). >> Is this correct? >>> >>>>> [[ALU]] We agree on (a) and (b). >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Good. To me, as I mentioned in my first mail on this thread, this >>> means that G-PID isn't the right place to carry this information. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 9/27/2011 9:20 AM, Lou Berger wrote: >>> >>>> Option 1, G-PID, is really designed to support end-point client >>> >>>> adaptation, so as an end-point only field it really >> only supports >>> >>>> need (a), so I don't think G-PID is the right place to indicate >>>> TSG >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [The above was inserted from the old thread, now back to the current >>> thread] >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> For question 2) >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Hierarchy information has been introduced to help penultimate hop >>> >>>>>> (always in case ERO information are not exhaustive) choosing the >>> >>>>>> right interface e.g. two interfaces supporting both the >> correct TSG >>> >>>>>> but not the same client hierarchy. This added information is used >>>>>> to >>> >>>>>> guarantee the possibility about the correct >>> >>>>>> multiplexing/demultiplexing process. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> G-PID at the moment consider a number of codes that does not cover >>> >>>>>> all the different ¡°mapping¡± used for the same carried payload e.g. >>> >>>>>> typical example is 10Gb Eth. So we added Swtiching Cap >> and Encoding >>> >>>>>> information like the OTN layers + adaptation field , in order to >>> >>>>>> better distinguish also the client OTN layer. Exploiting on the >>> >>>>>> G-PID, can bring two problems: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> a) We would need to add G-PID information inside the >> new Type new >>> >>>>>> object , having a not-homogeneous format with respect the other >>> >>>>>> layers. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> b) As said before, it wouldn¡¯t be exhaustive with respect real >>> >>>>>> mapping beyond the same payload. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I'm sorry, I don't understand how this answers the following: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>>> So what does it mean in a type 2 TLV to have a "non OTN >> signal types" >>> >>>>>>> and GFP mappings? It seems that these both cover cases >> beyond ODU >>> >>>>>>> H-LSPs, am I wrong? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> [Fatai] What did you mean by saying ¡°non OTN signal types¡±? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Values mapping to anything but PT=20 or PT=21. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> Did you mean >>> >>>>> removing ¡°Switching Type¡± & ¡°Encoding Type¡±? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> No. What I'm really trying to understand is why the mapping field >>>> just >>> >>>> doesn't carry Payload Type as defined in G.709. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> An earlier response, as I understood it, said that G-PID will carry >>> >>>> client payload types and that mapping is used to indicate intra-ODU >>> >>>> information. This led to me asking about the GFP (-F and >> -T) mapping >>> >>>> values. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> For mapping, there are >>> >>>>> different encapsulation protocols when ODUj multiplexes into ODUk, >>>>> it >>> >>>>> may need to specify this information when an FA-LSP is to >> be created. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> So clearly there is some misunderstanding here. Probably mine. So >>>> the >>> >>>> field in question is the mapping field of the Hierarchy TLV >> which has >>> >>>> the following definition: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Mapping: This field indicates the mapping function >> used in each >>> >>>> client-server relationship of the hierarchy. The >> values of this >>> >>>> field are listed below: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Value Type >>> >>>> ----- ------ >>> >>>> 0 Reserved >>> >>>> 1 AMP >>> >>>> 2 BMP >>> >>>> 3 GMP >>> >>>> 4 GFP-F >>> >>>> 5 GFP-T >>> >>>> 6-255 Reserved >>> >>>> >>> >>>> So my first point (why not just carry PT values) comes from the >>> >>>> narrative. If this field is just for intra-ODU mappings, then "each >>> >>>> client-server relationship" should be replaced with "each >> ODU mapping >>> >>>> relationship". >>> >>>> >>> >>>> In looking at G.709 is see that *only* AMP and GMP are used to >>>> support >>> >>>> ODUj -> ODUk multiplexing. So this lead me to the question >> about GFP. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Your mail has triggered my taking yet another look at G.709, I see >>>> that >>> >>>> BMP is used in supporting CBR clients, GFP-T is only mentioned as >>> >>>> supporting 1000BASE-X, and GFP-F can support multiple >> (packet) client >>> >>>> types. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I don't see where BMP or GFP (-F and -T) are used when "ODUj >>>> multiplexes >>> >>>> into ODUk". What am I missing something? Please be >> specific in your >>> >>>> references to the appropriate ITU-T documents so that we >> can close on this. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> It seems to me that mapping needs to carry all possible payload type >>> >>>> values so that the g-pid of the outermost ODU LSP can indicate the >>>> type >>> >>>> of traffic being carried (e.g., MPLS, IP, ethernet, STM-64, etc.), >>>> but >>> >>>> your position leads me to believe that I'm missing >> something here too. >>> >>>> To clarify, for the example of an ODU LSP that carries Ethernet over >>> >>>> GFP-F (over some ODUk), what would be the G-PID and Hierarchy TLV? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> AUTHORS> Lou, where from the narrative above describing the >> "mapping" >>> >>>> field is said that we refer to "intra-ODU mappings" ? The meaning of >>> >>>> this field is to give information about not what is "the carried >>> >>>> payload" already contained in the G-PID but "how" this payload is >>> >>>> carried . >>> >>> >>> >>> How which payload is carried? so G-PID, encoding and the other >>> >>> parameters of an LSP relate to the layer of the hierarchy >> represented >>> by >>> >>> the LSP. >>> >>> >>> >>> It was my understanding that the purpose of the ADAPTATION Object (at >>> >>> least for the type 2 TLV) was to represent the N (where N>1) >> layers of >>> >>> the hierarchy *above* the LSP being signaled. >>> >>> >>> >>> Is this correct or am I mistaken? >>> >>> >>> >>> AUTHORS> Yes, your understanding is correct, information regarding >>> hierarchy "supported" by the signaled LSP >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CCAMP mailing list >>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >> From cyril.margaria@nsn.com Thu May 24 07:17:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9F221F85F9 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:17:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5m5jC5RhSx3l for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4A921F85EA for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q4OEGoUX011631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 May 2012 16:16:51 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC047.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.93]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q4OEGmXn017055; Thu, 24 May 2012 16:16:50 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.23]) by DEMUEXC047.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 24 May 2012 16:16:43 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 16:16:41 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FBA3790.50704@labn.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration Thread-Index: Ac03TtKWuamyuKVpQe2XIh/acirwqgCaPr8A References: <4FBA3790.50704@labn.net> From: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Lou Berger" , "Fatai Zhang" , "Dan Li" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Oscar_Gonz=E1lez_de_Dios?= , "zi xiaobing" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2012 14:16:43.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[D81585E0:01CD39B7] X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean (visit http://www.eleven.de for further information) X-purgate-size: 1843 X-purgate-ID: 151667::1337869011-00001F01-2272EBA8/0-0/0-0 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:17:06 -0000 Dear WG chairs, all I am not aware of any IPR regarding = draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration. Best regards / Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Cyril Margaria > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 2:40 PM > To: Fatai Zhang; Dan Li; Oscar Gonz=E1lez de Dios; Margaria, Cyril = (NSN - > DE/Munich); zi xiaobing > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration >=20 > Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) >=20 > As part of the poll on making this document a WG document: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa- > configuration? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer = the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. 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From cyril.margaria@nsn.com Thu May 24 07:18:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D9121F85F9 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:18:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2waGjn8L9Dge for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0692B21F8672 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q4OEIfSj015390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 24 May 2012 16:18:41 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC048.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.94]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q4OEIbYV026349; Thu, 24 May 2012 16:18:40 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC012.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.23]) by DEMUEXC048.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 24 May 2012 16:18:34 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 16:18:31 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4FBA3787.5060904@labn.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 aWG document Thread-Index: Ac03TtvdV4C92BdxRPiryQksYPBXgQCaRwWQ References: <4FBA3787.5060904@labn.net> From: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Lou Berger" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2012 14:18:34.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A547240:01CD39B8] X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de X-purgate: clean X-purgate: This mail is considered clean (visit http://www.eleven.de for further information) X-purgate-size: 911 X-purgate-ID: 151667::1337869121-00001F01-04F9A629/0-0/0-0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 aWG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:18:43 -0000 Yes/Support (as co-author) Best regards / Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Cyril Margaria > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of ext Lou Berger > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 2:40 PM > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa- > configuration-05 aWG document >=20 > All, >=20 > This is to start a two week poll on making > draft-zhang-ccamp-srlg-fa-configuration-05 a ccamp working group > document. Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support" > or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your technical > reservations with the document. >=20 > The poll ends Monday June 4. >=20 > Much thanks, > Lou (and Deborah) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From jdrake@juniper.net Thu May 24 07:19:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7968021F863E for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:19:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hx8-HWZiCb7C for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og119.obsmtp.com (exprod7og119.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BA821F85F9 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob119.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT75DZO3KylS0QbVOp9umPR8yQWwe19hM@postini.com; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:19:17 PDT Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::88f9:77fd:dfc:4d51%11]) with mapi; Thu, 24 May 2012 05:59:07 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger , "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 05:59:06 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document Thread-Index: Ac03T81csNhbgsqoRzSfepUU+Xp5EACXEHPg Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B408A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4FBA3932.3030907@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FBA3932.3030907@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:19:18 -0000 Lou, I don't understand the problem being solved by this draft. For a co-routed bi-directional LSP, there is a common 5 tuple. For an asso= ciated bi-directional LSP, there is a separate 5 tuple for each uni-directi= onal LSP, but they are coupled using the procedures defined in draft-ietf-c= camp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-associated-lsp-03, by the same author. The mapping of the 5 tuple into MEP IDs is described in: http://datatracke= r.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext Thanks, John Sent from my iPhone >-----Original Message----- >From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >Of Lou Berger >Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:47 AM >To: ccamp@ietf.org >Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext- >tunnel-num-02 a WG document > >All, > >This is to start a two week poll on making >draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a ccamp working group >document. Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support" >or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your technical >reservations with the document. > >The poll ends Monday June 4. > >Please note that this document aims to satisfy certain MPLS-TP >requirements that the WG has identified as part of RFC6373. > >Much thanks, >Lou (and Deborah) > >_______________________________________________ >CCAMP mailing list >CCAMP@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From balazs.peter.gero@ericsson.com Thu May 24 00:12:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB4911E8076 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 00:12:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P38TeiBqIYtc for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 00:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F0111E80C1 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 00:12:06 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7fac6d000002e89-6c-4fbddf459de0 Received: from esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 6C.A4.11913.54FDDBF4; Thu, 24 May 2012 09:12:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0357.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.244]) by esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.87]) with mapi; Thu, 24 May 2012 09:12:05 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bal=E1zs_P=E9ter_Ger=F6?= To: "dbrungard@att.com" , "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 09:12:04 +0200 Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Thread-Index: Ac01Kf9E9ZM6Ls0mS/ydzrhzxb+O1QCIfv8wAAAsgTAAi3NhcA== Message-ID: <756BB20A26A4D64CA3D79DD2567F1C842CC8A90F17@ESESSCMS0357.eemea.ericsson.se> References: <6477E10CC7D76444A479B9AC31F262A939CB1157F1@ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <6477E10CC7D76444A479B9AC31F262A939CB1157F1@ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrOLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvra7r/b3+Bmf6jS1mfdO0eDLnBovF 9p1LWCxmX//O5sDi8bJ/DqPHkiU/mTy+XP7MFsAcxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJVx4clc1oItYhXP lv1gbGD8ItTFyMkhIWAicaZtLhuELSZx4d56IJuLQ0jgFKPE81eroZyFjBK96+4xglSxCQRK LJx4mh0kISIwh1Hi7csHYAlmgTiJdUda2UFsFgFViSvnTzOD2MICThITf/9gArFFBJwl/hw6 xQZhO0ms2dkOVs8rEC6xYmo72BwhILuz7T9QLwcHp0CExPoToiBhRqDrvp9awwSxSlzi1pP5 TBBXC0gs2XOeGcIWlXj5+B8rRL2oxJ329VCn6UncmDqFDcLWlli28DUzxFpBiZMzn7BMYBSb hWTsLCQts5C0zELSsoCRZRWjcG5iZk56uaFealFmcnFxfp5eceomRmBkHdzyW3cH46lzIocY pTlYlMR5Nxvs8hcSSE8sSc1OTS1ILYovKs1JLT7EyMTBKdXA6LUzSXoqC9OSKx4Sbjw9Zcyd W87fv35n7eUzSxb+nfZNw6KyhPuZwJTnIoIVLHuf/JQ3d81p+qe/7nrxFZvFLTM6S3+kvLoY cf3CvvfWu9/JZfL884jjcyqb8TL+4gPrqf1P87fqMe5b5nnKVCLm0TwWHbka3p1fnRbZV4Ts 7J4YJ+K1ulZPUomlOCPRUIu5qDgRADu/I+V6AgAA X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 24 May 2012 07:23:20 -0700 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 07:15:45 -0000 Hi All, The related IPRs that I'm aware of are listed here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&document_= search=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext BR, Balazs =20 -----Original Message----- From: Attila Takacs=20 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 2:25 PM To: Bal=E1zs P=E9ter Ger=F6 Subject: FW: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Hello, Erre neked is valaszolni kellene, ugy latom rossz a mail cim... Attila -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of A= ttila Takacs Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 2:22 PM To: BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A; draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext@tools.ietf.or= g Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Hi all, The IPRs that I'm aware of have been disclosed. Check @ https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&d= ocument_search=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Attila =20 -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of B= RUNGARD, DEBORAH A Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 9:11 PM To: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-e= xt? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please answer the ab= ove by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware = of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until= a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please s= ee the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wik= i/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, CCAMP WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your respons= e. _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From lberger@labn.net Thu May 24 07:50:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835E721F8629 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:50:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.826 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.826 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.335, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dc39n2W28L7N for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4126921F8606 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 07:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8283 invoked by uid 0); 24 May 2012 14:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 May 2012 14:50:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=/t9RuLtVHia+3VB1RPOTxRr5gsI8AhauvzkG9ZQ2S8g=; b=ItqoiRPireZAl/4B0+PJCtrEnesCqOuv9nPwfDDwOGIdP3a4OSTZyjOb3acjcB73MssTwUp78mGZd6sgy1nZ/DdaxziFvkebvf+8tcdM1PE11+s2+F9kBLmy1/wdDCG4; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:60381 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SXZNK-0003kn-Uv; Thu, 24 May 2012 08:50:51 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBE4AC7.40109@labn.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 10:50:47 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4FBA3932.3030907@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B408A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B408A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:50:57 -0000 John, The problem that I'm aware of that relates to this draft is how an ingress (MEG) can learn the RFC6370 defined Z9-Tunnel_Num for a *corouted* bidirectional LSPs. Take a look at RFC6370 Section 5.3 and you'll see this point is not addressed. I also don't see anything in draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext on this. As chair, I'm not making any technical comment on how well this document addresses this requirement, but asking if the WG wants to use this individual draft as the basis of the WG solution to this problem. Keep in mind, that any individual document is just a starting point for the WG and once it is a WG document it is the WG that directs changes and documents contents. As chair, I'm happy to see an open problem being addressed, and am open to using this document as the foundation for the WG, or rolling the function into the existing document (which would need to be rescoped to cover co-routed as well as Associated bidirectional LSPs), as long as we're following WG consensus. Lou On 5/24/2012 8:59 AM, John E Drake wrote: > Lou, > > I don't understand the problem being solved by this draft. > > For a co-routed bi-directional LSP, there is a common 5 tuple. For > an associated bi-directional LSP, there is a separate 5 tuple for > each uni-directional LSP, but they are coupled using the procedures > defined in draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-associated-lsp-03, by > the same author. > > The mapping of the 5 tuple into MEP IDs is described in: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext > > Thanks, > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >> Of Lou Berger >> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:47 AM >> To: ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext- >> tunnel-num-02 a WG document >> >> All, >> >> This is to start a two week poll on making >> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a ccamp working group >> document. Please send mail to the list indicating "yes/support" >> or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your technical >> reservations with the document. >> >> The poll ends Monday June 4. >> >> Please note that this document aims to satisfy certain MPLS-TP >> requirements that the WG has identified as part of RFC6373. >> >> Much thanks, >> Lou (and Deborah) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > From jdrake@juniper.net Thu May 24 08:19:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CD021F86B2 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 08:19:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GKmVOsk8aHVw for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 08:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og119.obsmtp.com (exprod7og119.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8473321F8671 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 08:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob119.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT75Rin5wwDI+9igfho2EYx/GOLGuVCSn@postini.com; Thu, 24 May 2012 08:19:39 PDT Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([::1]) with mapi; Thu, 24 May 2012 08:17:21 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 08:17:20 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document Thread-Index: Ac05vKEtOJhzrcIlSiurO/QOdzTScQAAp/FQ Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4130@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4FBA3932.3030907@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B408A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBE4AC7.40109@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FBE4AC7.40109@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 15:19:40 -0000 Comment inline Sent from my iPhone >-----Original Message----- >From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:51 AM >To: John E Drake >Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document > >John, > The problem that I'm aware of that relates to this draft is how an >ingress (MEG) can learn the RFC6370 defined Z9-Tunnel_Num for a >*corouted* bidirectional LSPs. Take a look at RFC6370 Section 5.3 and >you'll see this point is not addressed. I also don't see anything in >draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext on this. JD: What draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext states is the following: <"Unique MEP-ID of source of BFD packet"> ::=3D Note that support of ITU IDs is out-of-scope. GMPLS signaling [RFC3473] uses a 5-tuple to uniquely identify an LSP within= an operator's network. This tuple is composed of a Tunnel Endpoint A= ddress, Tunnel_ID, Extended Tunnel ID, and Tunnel Sender Address and (GMPLS= ) LSP_ID. Hence, the following mapping is used without the need of redefining a new T= LV for MPLS-TP proactive CV purpose. - Tunnel ID =3D src_tunnel_num - Tunnel Sender Address =3D src_node_id - LSP ID =3D LSP_Num "Tunnel ID" and "Tunnel Sender Address" are included in the "SESSION" objec= t [RFC3209], which is mandatory in both Path and Resv messages. "LSP ID" w= ill be the same on both directions and it is included in the "SENDER_TEMPLA= TE" object [RFC3209] which is mandatory in Path messages. From lberger@labn.net Thu May 24 10:19:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F85E21F847F for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 10:19:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.857 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.857 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.304, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ldieRzZ2Hil for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 10:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D21BB21F8454 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 10:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16731 invoked by uid 0); 24 May 2012 17:19:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 May 2012 17:19:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=HZzqGQRbOuGPR1UR9n5UAf9ayd0FqEqzgdNR5bVf0Uo=; b=SmevoHq+96v6OfTLQZK6Izslnkh9OhaD72gDB9mR0jMKzzZKGhlmbnd8vA52+uydJEg9GxZUh6q1RhtDqkYiSIgzc34QuN0cl1Qh+6WjXXqbqS4spEOjQlhNax9WXJvr; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:45657 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SXbhb-00075t-R4; Thu, 24 May 2012 11:19:56 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBE6DB8.1050807@labn.net> Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 13:19:52 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4FBA3932.3030907@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B408A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBE4AC7.40109@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4130@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4130@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 17:19:57 -0000 John, How does an ingress get the egress' tunnel number in the corouted bidirectional LSP case? Per RFC6370: the format of an MPLS-TP co-routed bidirectional LSP_ID is: A1-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::Z9-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::LSP_Num Lou On 5/24/2012 11:17 AM, John E Drake wrote: > Comment inline > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:51 AM >> To: John E Drake >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >> >> John, >> The problem that I'm aware of that relates to this draft is how an >> ingress (MEG) can learn the RFC6370 defined Z9-Tunnel_Num for a >> *corouted* bidirectional LSPs. Take a look at RFC6370 Section 5.3 and >> you'll see this point is not addressed. I also don't see anything in >> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext on this. > > > JD: What draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext states is the following: > > <"Unique MEP-ID of source of BFD packet"> ::= > > Note that support of ITU IDs is out-of-scope. > > GMPLS signaling [RFC3473] uses a 5-tuple to uniquely identify an LSP within an operator's network. This tuple is composed of a Tunnel Endpoint Address, Tunnel_ID, Extended Tunnel ID, and Tunnel Sender Address and (GMPLS) LSP_ID. > > Hence, the following mapping is used without the need of redefining a new TLV for MPLS-TP proactive CV purpose. > > - Tunnel ID = src_tunnel_num > > - Tunnel Sender Address = src_node_id > > - LSP ID = LSP_Num > > "Tunnel ID" and "Tunnel Sender Address" are included in the "SESSION" object [RFC3209], which is mandatory in both Path and Resv messages. "LSP ID" will be the same on both directions and it is included in the "SENDER_TEMPLATE" object [RFC3209] which is mandatory in Path messages. > > > > > From jdrake@juniper.net Thu May 24 10:37:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F2121F85A2 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 10:37:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fnPwt2K7pms6 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 10:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og120.obsmtp.com (exprod7og120.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FED121F84D0 for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 10:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob120.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT75xwY19NH4LCDSYX8EXgQXZ6kC8An3r@postini.com; Thu, 24 May 2012 10:37:11 PDT Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([::1]) with mapi; Thu, 24 May 2012 10:35:44 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 10:35:38 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document Thread-Index: Ac050XLdQFNqZyIqR2Owsp+6zRIYEQAAYW3w Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B42E2@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4FBA3932.3030907@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B408A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBE4AC7.40109@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4130@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBE6DB8.1050807@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FBE6DB8.1050807@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 17:37:13 -0000 Per the snippet I included in my previous email, it sounds as though it get= s it from the Tunnel ID (=3D src_tunnel_num) and the Tunnel Sender Address = (=3D src_node_id) in the SESSION object [RFC3209] in the Resv it receives. Sent from my iPhone >-----Original Message----- >From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:20 AM >To: John E Drake >Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document > >John, > How does an ingress get the egress' tunnel number in the corouted >bidirectional LSP case? Per RFC6370: > > the format of an MPLS-TP co-routed bidirectional LSP_ID is: > > A1-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::Z9-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::LSP_Num > >Lou > >On 5/24/2012 11:17 AM, John E Drake wrote: >> Comment inline >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:51 AM >>> To: John E Drake >>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>> >>> John, >>> The problem that I'm aware of that relates to this draft is how an >>> ingress (MEG) can learn the RFC6370 defined Z9-Tunnel_Num for a >>> *corouted* bidirectional LSPs. Take a look at RFC6370 Section 5.3 >>> and you'll see this point is not addressed. I also don't see >>> anything in draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext on this. >> >> >> JD: What draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext states is the >following: >> >> <"Unique MEP-ID of source of BFD packet"> ::=3D >> >> >> Note that support of ITU IDs is out-of-scope. >> >> GMPLS signaling [RFC3473] uses a 5-tuple to uniquely identify an LSP >within an operator's network. This tuple is composed of a Tunnel >Endpoint Address, Tunnel_ID, Extended Tunnel ID, and Tunnel Sender >Address and (GMPLS) LSP_ID. >> >> Hence, the following mapping is used without the need of redefining a >new TLV for MPLS-TP proactive CV purpose. >> >> - Tunnel ID =3D src_tunnel_num >> >> - Tunnel Sender Address =3D src_node_id >> >> - LSP ID =3D LSP_Num >> >> "Tunnel ID" and "Tunnel Sender Address" are included in the "SESSION" >object [RFC3209], which is mandatory in both Path and Resv messages. >"LSP ID" will be the same on both directions and it is included in the >"SENDER_TEMPLATE" object [RFC3209] which is mandatory in Path messages. >> >> >> >> >> From zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn Thu May 24 23:15:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942B611E8073; Thu, 24 May 2012 23:15:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: 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<5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4130@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBE6DB8.1050807@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B42E2@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B42E2@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 12:22:31 -0000 John, The session object in the resv is the same as is in the path. Changing this would be a change to 2205 and not a good idea. Lou On 5/24/2012 1:35 PM, John E Drake wrote: > Per the snippet I included in my previous email, it sounds as though it gets it from the Tunnel ID (= src_tunnel_num) and the Tunnel Sender Address (= src_node_id) in the SESSION object [RFC3209] in the Resv it receives. > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:20 AM >> To: John E Drake >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >> >> John, >> How does an ingress get the egress' tunnel number in the corouted >> bidirectional LSP case? Per RFC6370: >> >> the format of an MPLS-TP co-routed bidirectional LSP_ID is: >> >> A1-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::Z9-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::LSP_Num >> >> Lou >> >> On 5/24/2012 11:17 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>> Comment inline >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:51 AM >>>> To: John E Drake >>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>> >>>> John, >>>> The problem that I'm aware of that relates to this draft is how an >>>> ingress (MEG) can learn the RFC6370 defined Z9-Tunnel_Num for a >>>> *corouted* bidirectional LSPs. Take a look at RFC6370 Section 5.3 >>>> and you'll see this point is not addressed. I also don't see >>>> anything in draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext on this. >>> >>> >>> JD: What draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext states is the >> following: >>> >>> <"Unique MEP-ID of source of BFD packet"> ::= >>> >>> >>> Note that support of ITU IDs is out-of-scope. >>> >>> GMPLS signaling [RFC3473] uses a 5-tuple to uniquely identify an LSP >> within an operator's network. This tuple is composed of a Tunnel >> Endpoint Address, Tunnel_ID, Extended Tunnel ID, and Tunnel Sender >> Address and (GMPLS) LSP_ID. >>> >>> Hence, the following mapping is used without the need of redefining a >> new TLV for MPLS-TP proactive CV purpose. >>> >>> - Tunnel ID = src_tunnel_num >>> >>> - Tunnel Sender Address = src_node_id >>> >>> - LSP ID = LSP_Num >>> >>> "Tunnel ID" and "Tunnel Sender Address" are included in the "SESSION" >> object [RFC3209], which is mandatory in both Path and Resv messages. >> "LSP ID" will be the same on both directions and it is included in the >> "SENDER_TEMPLATE" object [RFC3209] which is mandatory in Path messages. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From lberger@labn.net Fri May 25 05:48:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C0321F8647 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 05:48:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.678 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.678 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.967, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 95QBKmeE7ZG1 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 05:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 90F2821F8646 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 05:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14007 invoked by uid 0); 25 May 2012 12:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 May 2012 12:48:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=G5n+b5tOtuw9zbhn+2q2n+sY/GDtsnuSP5dNS7QpACE=; b=aF3P+NtUhhTewpHvbT9fn9+NocM22H82UAd2F8Xyc+ua/gTfk3lAS8MLi44shzAgEWM7bMDYgKa7g7UUm8GOebfNaMgY1qV4TAOha/tY9pUupcgTlRCEixFq7+8YLuEL; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:52743 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SXtwN-0007ZC-8i; Fri, 25 May 2012 06:48:23 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBF7F94.4010705@labn.net> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 08:48:20 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn, John E Drake References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 12:48:25 -0000 John/Fei, I think the following text from 6428 that proceeds the object definition may be helpful: 3.5.2. LSP MEP-ID The fields for the LSP MEP-ID are as defined in [9]. This is applicable to both LSPs and SPMEs. This consists of the 32-bit MPLS- TP Global_ID, the 32-bit Node Identifier, followed by the 16-bit Tunnel_Num (that MUST be unique within the context of the Node Identifier), and the 16-bit LSP_NUM (that MUST be unique within the context of the Tunnel_Num). The format of the TLV is: 6428 assumes each end of a birdirectional LSP have the other end's MEP-ID to support CV: The CV PDUs are augmented with a Source MEP-ID TLV to permit mis-connectivity detection to be performed by sink MEPs. Lou On 5/25/2012 5:01 AM, zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn wrote: > > Hi John > > According to RFC6428, section 3.5.2 > > The LSP MEP_ID TLV is as follow: > > 0 1 2 3 > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Type | Length | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | MPLS-TP Global_ID | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | MPLS-TP Node Identifier | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | Tunnel_Num | LSP_Num | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > And my understanding is that the Global_ID is not covered by the draft > draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext: > > <"Unique MEP-ID of source of BFD packet"> ::= > > > Best regards > > Fei > > > *John E Drake * > ·¢¼þÈË: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org > > 2012-05-24 23:17 > > > ÊÕ¼þÈË > Lou Berger > ³­ËÍ > "ccamp@ietf.org" > Ö÷Ìâ > Re: [CCAMP] poll on making > draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document > > > > > > > > > Comment inline > > Sent from my iPhone > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:51 AM >>To: John E Drake >>Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >>Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >> >>John, >> The problem that I'm aware of that relates to this > draft is how an >>ingress (MEG) can learn the RFC6370 defined Z9-Tunnel_Num for a >>*corouted* bidirectional LSPs. Take a look at RFC6370 Section 5.3 and >>you'll see this point is not addressed. I also don't see anything in >>draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext on this. > > > JD: What draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext states is the following: > > <"Unique MEP-ID of source of BFD packet"> ::= > > > Note that support of ITU IDs is out-of-scope. > > GMPLS signaling [RFC3473] uses a 5-tuple to uniquely identify an LSP > within an operator's network. This tuple is composed of a Tunnel > Endpoint Address, Tunnel_ID, Extended Tunnel ID, and Tunnel Sender > Address and (GMPLS) LSP_ID. > > Hence, the following mapping is used without the need of redefining a > new TLV for MPLS-TP proactive CV purpose. > > - Tunnel ID = src_tunnel_num > > - Tunnel Sender Address = src_node_id > > - LSP ID = LSP_Num > > "Tunnel ID" and "Tunnel Sender Address" are included in the "SESSION" > object [RFC3209], which is mandatory in both Path and Resv messages. > "LSP ID" will be the same on both directions and it is included in the > "SENDER_TEMPLATE" object [RFC3209] which is mandatory in Path messages. > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > From jdrake@juniper.net Fri May 25 07:23:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1E321F86C2 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 07:23:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f9-vLV2jef+U for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 07:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og127.obsmtp.com (exprod7og127.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.210]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCE421F86BD for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 07:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob127.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT7+V+nEtb4cIDkX6C/35clmNj2HaMnoJ@postini.com; Fri, 25 May 2012 07:23:55 PDT Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::88f9:77fd:dfc:4d51%11]) with mapi; Fri, 25 May 2012 07:23:33 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:23:31 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document Thread-Index: Ac06cRFryX4jtMWySgi47QlShab03wAECtAA Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47E7@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4FBA3932.3030907@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B408A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBE4AC7.40109@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4130@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBE6DB8.1050807@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B42E2@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBF7982.9080504@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FBF7982.9080504@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:23:56 -0000 Lou, As I indicated in my email, that was my reading of draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te= -mpls-tp-oam-ext. I think my reading was correct, but as you point out, th= at is not the way things work. So, once we figure out the correct answer, = this draft will need to be updated. I will be sending another email with some suggestions. Thanks, John =20 Sent from my iPhone >-----Original Message----- >From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 5:22 AM >To: John E Drake >Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document > >John, > >The session object in the resv is the same as is in the path. Changing >this would be a change to 2205 and not a good idea. > >Lou > >On 5/24/2012 1:35 PM, John E Drake wrote: >> Per the snippet I included in my previous email, it sounds as though >it gets it from the Tunnel ID (=3D src_tunnel_num) and the Tunnel Sender >Address (=3D src_node_id) in the SESSION object [RFC3209] in the Resv it >receives. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:20 AM >>> To: John E Drake >>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>> >>> John, >>> How does an ingress get the egress' tunnel number in the corouted >>> bidirectional LSP case? Per RFC6370: >>> >>> the format of an MPLS-TP co-routed bidirectional LSP_ID is: >>> >>> A1-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::Z9-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::LSP_Num >>> >>> Lou >>> >>> On 5/24/2012 11:17 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>> Comment inline >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:51 AM >>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making >>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>>> >>>>> John, >>>>> The problem that I'm aware of that relates to this draft is how an >>>>> ingress (MEG) can learn the RFC6370 defined Z9-Tunnel_Num for a >>>>> *corouted* bidirectional LSPs. Take a look at RFC6370 Section 5.3 >>>>> and you'll see this point is not addressed. I also don't see >>>>> anything in draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext on this. >>>> >>>> >>>> JD: What draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext states is the >>> following: >>>> >>>> <"Unique MEP-ID of source of BFD packet"> ::=3D >>>> >>>> >>>> Note that support of ITU IDs is out-of-scope. >>>> >>>> GMPLS signaling [RFC3473] uses a 5-tuple to uniquely identify an LSP >>> within an operator's network. This tuple is composed of a >Tunnel >>> Endpoint Address, Tunnel_ID, Extended Tunnel ID, and Tunnel Sender >>> Address and (GMPLS) LSP_ID. >>>> >>>> Hence, the following mapping is used without the need of redefining >>>> a >>> new TLV for MPLS-TP proactive CV purpose. >>>> >>>> - Tunnel ID =3D src_tunnel_num >>>> >>>> - Tunnel Sender Address =3D src_node_id >>>> >>>> - LSP ID =3D LSP_Num >>>> >>>> "Tunnel ID" and "Tunnel Sender Address" are included in the >"SESSION" >>> object [RFC3209], which is mandatory in both Path and Resv messages. >>> "LSP ID" will be the same on both directions and it is included in >>> the "SENDER_TEMPLATE" object [RFC3209] which is mandatory in Path >messages. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> From lberger@labn.net Fri May 25 07:48:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA7021F8697 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 07:48:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.834 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.834 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.327, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3B8rsHLy8TV6 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 07:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2773621F8541 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 07:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6558 invoked by uid 0); 25 May 2012 14:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 May 2012 14:48:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=sPWNY5S3GEB+wVnEE0QMAnK/AJ2dM+x75t230w6+Rm0=; b=HtFFsdspRbwFtVJZ25DuClYMgmdJEpe6WnJxHzIIfPvX1zbFD4uuHxLyvn82qhfuqB41ryXBKuEhIeIJ8qvigD3hO2QrUqc7cUyaqZ2YAuMsnGg+dmiCubPipa3oRPvj; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:34310 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SXvoA-0004bM-7E; Fri, 25 May 2012 08:48:02 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBF9B9F.50607@labn.net> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 10:47:59 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4FBA3932.3030907@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B408A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBE4AC7.40109@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4130@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBE6DB8.1050807@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B42E2@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBF7982.9080504@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47E7@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47E7@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:48:04 -0000 It was my understanding that draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext matched RFC 6428, which has each end sending its own information and the receiver validating the info based on configured/signaled information, i.e., needing to know the remote end's MEP IDs. Lou On 5/25/2012 10:23 AM, John E Drake wrote: > Lou, > > As I indicated in my email, that was my reading of draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext. I think my reading was correct, but as you point out, that is not the way things work. So, once we figure out the correct answer, this draft will need to be updated. > > I will be sending another email with some suggestions. > > Thanks, > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 5:22 AM >> To: John E Drake >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >> >> John, >> >> The session object in the resv is the same as is in the path. Changing >> this would be a change to 2205 and not a good idea. >> >> Lou >> >> On 5/24/2012 1:35 PM, John E Drake wrote: >>> Per the snippet I included in my previous email, it sounds as though >> it gets it from the Tunnel ID (= src_tunnel_num) and the Tunnel Sender >> Address (= src_node_id) in the SESSION object [RFC3209] in the Resv it >> receives. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:20 AM >>>> To: John E Drake >>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>> >>>> John, >>>> How does an ingress get the egress' tunnel number in the corouted >>>> bidirectional LSP case? Per RFC6370: >>>> >>>> the format of an MPLS-TP co-routed bidirectional LSP_ID is: >>>> >>>> A1-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::Z9-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::LSP_Num >>>> >>>> Lou >>>> >>>> On 5/24/2012 11:17 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>> Comment inline >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:51 AM >>>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making >>>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>>>> >>>>>> John, >>>>>> The problem that I'm aware of that relates to this draft is how an >>>>>> ingress (MEG) can learn the RFC6370 defined Z9-Tunnel_Num for a >>>>>> *corouted* bidirectional LSPs. Take a look at RFC6370 Section 5.3 >>>>>> and you'll see this point is not addressed. I also don't see >>>>>> anything in draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext on this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> JD: What draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext states is the >>>> following: >>>>> >>>>> <"Unique MEP-ID of source of BFD packet"> ::= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Note that support of ITU IDs is out-of-scope. >>>>> >>>>> GMPLS signaling [RFC3473] uses a 5-tuple to uniquely identify an LSP >>>> within an operator's network. This tuple is composed of a >> Tunnel >>>> Endpoint Address, Tunnel_ID, Extended Tunnel ID, and Tunnel Sender >>>> Address and (GMPLS) LSP_ID. >>>>> >>>>> Hence, the following mapping is used without the need of redefining >>>>> a >>>> new TLV for MPLS-TP proactive CV purpose. >>>>> >>>>> - Tunnel ID = src_tunnel_num >>>>> >>>>> - Tunnel Sender Address = src_node_id >>>>> >>>>> - LSP ID = LSP_Num >>>>> >>>>> "Tunnel ID" and "Tunnel Sender Address" are included in the >> "SESSION" >>>> object [RFC3209], which is mandatory in both Path and Resv messages. >>>> "LSP ID" will be the same on both directions and it is included in >>>> the "SENDER_TEMPLATE" object [RFC3209] which is mandatory in Path >> messages. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From jdrake@juniper.net Fri May 25 07:51:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 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X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:57:54 -0000 The only text I saw was the text I included in my email at the bottom of th= is thread, which indicates that "Tunnel ID" and "Tunnel Sender Address" are= extracted from the "SESSION" object [RFC3209]. In any event, the draft st= ill has the issue with LSP ID that I just described in another email. Sent from my iPhone >-----Original Message----- >From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 7:48 AM >To: John E Drake >Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document > > >It was my understanding that draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext >matched RFC 6428, which has each end sending its own information and the >receiver validating the info based on configured/signaled information, >i.e., needing to know the remote end's MEP IDs. > >Lou > >On 5/25/2012 10:23 AM, John E Drake wrote: >> Lou, >> >> As I indicated in my email, that was my reading of draft-ietf-ccamp- >rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext. I think my reading was correct, but as you >point out, that is not the way things work. So, once we figure out the >correct answer, this draft will need to be updated. >> >> I will be sending another email with some suggestions. >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 5:22 AM >>> To: John E Drake >>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>> >>> John, >>> >>> The session object in the resv is the same as is in the path. >>> Changing this would be a change to 2205 and not a good idea. >>> >>> Lou >>> >>> On 5/24/2012 1:35 PM, John E Drake wrote: >>>> Per the snippet I included in my previous email, it sounds as though >>> it gets it from the Tunnel ID (=3D src_tunnel_num) and the Tunnel >>> Sender Address (=3D src_node_id) in the SESSION object [RFC3209] in the >>> Resv it receives. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:20 AM >>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making >>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>>> >>>>> John, >>>>> How does an ingress get the egress' tunnel number in the corouted >>>>> bidirectional LSP case? Per RFC6370: >>>>> >>>>> the format of an MPLS-TP co-routed bidirectional LSP_ID is: >>>>> >>>>> A1-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::Z9-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::LSP_Num >>>>> >>>>> Lou >>>>> >>>>> On 5/24/2012 11:17 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>>> Comment inline >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:51 AM >>>>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making >>>>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>>>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John, >>>>>>> The problem that I'm aware of that relates to this draft is >how >>>>>>> an ingress (MEG) can learn the RFC6370 defined Z9-Tunnel_Num for >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> *corouted* bidirectional LSPs. Take a look at RFC6370 Section >>>>>>> 5.3 and you'll see this point is not addressed. I also don't see >>>>>>> anything in draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext on this. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> JD: What draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext states is the >>>>> following: >>>>>> >>>>>> <"Unique MEP-ID of source of BFD packet"> ::=3D >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that support of ITU IDs is out-of-scope. >>>>>> >>>>>> GMPLS signaling [RFC3473] uses a 5-tuple to uniquely identify an >>>>>> LSP >>>>> within an operator's network. This tuple is composed of a >>> Tunnel >>>>> Endpoint Address, Tunnel_ID, Extended Tunnel ID, and Tunnel Sender >>>>> Address and (GMPLS) LSP_ID. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hence, the following mapping is used without the need of >>>>>> redefining a >>>>> new TLV for MPLS-TP proactive CV purpose. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Tunnel ID =3D src_tunnel_num >>>>>> >>>>>> - Tunnel Sender Address =3D src_node_id >>>>>> >>>>>> - LSP ID =3D LSP_Num >>>>>> >>>>>> "Tunnel ID" and "Tunnel Sender Address" are included in the >>> "SESSION" >>>>> object [RFC3209], which is mandatory in both Path and Resv >messages. >>>>> "LSP ID" will be the same on both directions and it is included in >>>>> the "SENDER_TEMPLATE" object [RFC3209] which is mandatory in Path >>> messages. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> From jdrake@juniper.net Fri May 25 08:14:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 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Per my other emails, I think it makes sense to up= date  draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext to allow the LSP endpoi= nts to exchange whatever fields, including Global ID, Tunnel_Num, and LSP I= D, we think are needed.

 

Thanks,

 

John

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

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From: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn [mailto:= zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 2:02 AM
= To: John E Drake
Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-bounces@ietf.org; = Lou Berger
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-= mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document

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Hi John

According to RFC6428, section 3.5.2

The LSP MEP_ID TLV is as follow:

    0              = ;     1                 &= nbsp; 2                   3
   0 1 2 3 4 5 = 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
  +-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
&= nbsp; |  Type                 =         |  Length         &nbs= p;             |
  +-+-+-+-+= -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 = |                     &n= bsp; MPLS-TP Global_ID               &nb= sp;       |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |     &nb= sp;              MPLS-TP Node Identifier=                    |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= -+-+-+
  |           Tunnel_Num &= nbsp;        |            = ;LSP_Num            |
  +-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

<= tt>And my understanding is that the Global_ID is not covered by the draft d= raft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext:

<"Unique M= EP-ID of source of BFD packet"> ::=3D <src_node_id><src_tu= nnel_num><lsp_num>

Best regards

Fei

John E Drake <jdr= ake@juniper.net>
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2012-05-24 23:17

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Re: [CCAMP] poll on        making =        draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-= 02 a        WG document

 




Comm= ent inline

Sent fro= m my iPhone


>-----Original Message-----
= >From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@la= bn.net]
>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:51 AM
>To: John E Drake
>Cc: ccamp@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making dr= aft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-
>ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG docu= ment
>
>John,
>     =             The problem that I'm aware of tha= t relates to this draft is how an
>ingress (MEG) can learn t= he RFC6370 defined Z9-Tunnel_Num for a
>*corouted* bidirecti= onal LSPs.  Take a look at RFC6370 Section 5.3 and
>you= 'll see this point is not addressed.  I also don't see anything in
>draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext on this.

=
JD:  What draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext states is t= he following:

<"Unique MEP-ID of source of BFD pack= et"> ::=3D <src_node_id><src_tunnel_num><lsp_num>=

Note that support of ITU IDs is out-of-scope.

= GMPLS signaling [RFC3473] uses a 5-tuple to uniquely identify an LSP wi= thin an operator's network.  This tuple is composed of     &= nbsp;a Tunnel Endpoint Address, Tunnel_ID, Extended Tunnel ID, and Tunnel S= ender Address and (GMPLS) LSP_ID.

Hence, the following mapp= ing is used without the need of redefining a new TLV for MPLS-TP proactive = CV purpose.

     - Tunnel ID =3D src_tunnel_= num

     - Tunnel Sender Address =3D src_nod= e_id

     - LSP ID =3D LSP_Num

<= tt>"Tunnel ID" and "Tunnel Sender Address" are included= in the "SESSION" object [RFC3209], which is mandatory in both Pa= th and Resv messages.  "LSP ID" will be the same on both dir= ections and it is included in the "SENDER_TEMPLATE" object [RFC32= 09] which is mandatory in Path messages.

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= --_000_5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47FFEMBX01HQjnprn_-- From lberger@labn.net Fri May 25 08:41:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56BC21F86F7 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 08:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.631 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.631 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.920, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5TzPO2Rcjp29 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 08:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BA00F21F86F4 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 08:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8855 invoked by uid 0); 25 May 2012 15:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 May 2012 15:41:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=3b0x063+UjLDj3IgE1Wc3kTDVpz0QIJ8RfFVxjXW96w=; b=Yln1ivwXdMuL6+mhcKzUMABmroWxH2WuNN1b42TX3ea+R3TdTOvfH3AgfUZxsa6UYK5ApxPHOtx9PS3oLZU5b4/oA3EDIucOSSAi5n0zApgvPo2cOmWYv4E3mWQKTi8+; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:39031 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SXweF-0007HQ-VF; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:41:52 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 11:41:49 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4FBF7F94.4010705@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47EF@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47EF@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:41:56 -0000 John, I'm have a little trouble following you, are you perhaps referencing 6370 rather than 6428 in a few places? See specifics below. On 5/25/2012 10:49 AM, John E Drake wrote: > Lou, > > Thanks for quoting my text, from 6428, right? > which I wrote based upon a version of RFC > 6370 when it was still a draft. > > Unfortunately, as published, RFC 6370 is not internally consistent > with my text. Your text as published? If yes, it is entirely consistent. If not, I can't comment on your original text. > According to my text, we would have the following two > MEP IDs: [A1 Node ID, A1 Tunnel_Num, A1 LSP ID (aka LSP_Num)], [Z9 > Node ID, Z9 Tunnel_Num, Z9 LSP ID]. This certainly makes sense for associated bidirectional, and this is in section 5.2.2 of 6370 and is allowed for in 6428. > > Unfortunately, RFC 6370 doubles down on LSP-ID by saying that LSP ID > is the same in both MEP IDs. Only in the context of Co-Routed Bidirectional, see section 5.2.1. > Because an LSP ID is unique only in the > context of Node ID and Tunnel_Num, this is incorrect. I'm not sure if you referring to 6370 MPLS-TP LSP Identifier or RFC3209 LSP_ID in the context of 6428. If the former, I'm not sure what your are referring to. If that latter, I agree the text "the 16-bit LSP_NUM (that MUST be unique within the context of the Tunnel_Num)" may mislead one to believe that the LSP_ID may not be unique across all tunnels, but this would be incorrect as 3209 scopes LSP_ID to be unique per sender and *not* per tunnel. But I'm not sure that this text precludes this. Are you referring to something else? > > So, I think we have the following choices: Is this proposal for both co-router and associated bidirectional? > > 1) Change RFC 6370 to stipulate that LSP ID is unique in the context > of [A1 Node ID, A1 Tunnel_Num] *and* [Z9 Node ID, Z9 Tunnel_Num] I don't think this is correct. 3209 allows the same LSP_ID to be used on multiple tunnels. > and > change draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext to be consistent with > this. > > 2) Change RFC 6370 to indicate that there is an A1 LSP ID and a Z9 > LSP ID 6370 already does 2 for associated. The A1 and Z9 LSP_ID is *always* identical for corouted associated. > and change draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext to include > a TLV in Resv that contains [Z9 Tunnel_Num, Z9 LSP ID] > associated bidirection support is already covered in draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-associated-lsp (via association). > 3) Change RFC 6370 to use the 5 tuple defined in RFC 3209, and > change draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext and RFC 6428 to be > consistent with this. I can see this work for corouted, but how would it work for associated? Lou > > My personal choice is 3) but any of them are acceptable. > > Thanks, > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 5:48 AM >> To: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; John E Drake >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >> >> John/Fei, >> >> I think the following text from 6428 that proceeds the object definition >> may be helpful: >> >> 3.5.2. LSP MEP-ID >> >> The fields for the LSP MEP-ID are as defined in [9]. This is >> applicable to both LSPs and SPMEs. This consists of the 32-bit MPLS- >> TP Global_ID, the 32-bit Node Identifier, followed by the 16-bit >> Tunnel_Num (that MUST be unique within the context of the Node >> Identifier), and the 16-bit LSP_NUM (that MUST be unique within the >> context of the Tunnel_Num). The format of the TLV is: >> >> 6428 assumes each end of a birdirectional LSP have the other end's MEP- >> ID to support CV: >> The CV PDUs >> are augmented with a Source MEP-ID TLV to permit mis-connectivity >> detection to be performed by sink MEPs. >> >> Lou >> >> On 5/25/2012 5:01 AM, zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn wrote: >>> >>> Hi John >>> >>> According to RFC6428, section 3.5.2 >>> >>> The LSP MEP_ID TLV is as follow: >>> >>> 0 1 2 3 >>> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> | Type | Length | >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> | MPLS-TP Global_ID | >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> | MPLS-TP Node Identifier | >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> | Tunnel_Num | LSP_Num | >>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>> >>> And my understanding is that the Global_ID is not covered by the draft >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext: >>> >>> <"Unique MEP-ID of source of BFD packet"> ::= >>> >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Fei >>> >>> >>> *John E Drake * >>> ·¢¼þÈË: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org >>> >>> 2012-05-24 23:17 >>> >>> >>> ÊÕ¼þÈË >>> Lou Berger >>> ³­ËÍ >>> "ccamp@ietf.org" >>> Ö÷Ìâ >>> Re: [CCAMP] poll on making >>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG >> document >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Comment inline >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:51 AM >>>> To: John E Drake >>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>> >>>> John, >>>> The problem that I'm aware of that relates to this >>> draft is how an >>>> ingress (MEG) can learn the RFC6370 defined Z9-Tunnel_Num for a >>>> *corouted* bidirectional LSPs. Take a look at RFC6370 Section 5.3 and >>>> you'll see this point is not addressed. I also don't see anything in >>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext on this. >>> >>> >>> JD: What draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext states is the >> following: >>> >>> <"Unique MEP-ID of source of BFD packet"> ::= >>> >>> >>> Note that support of ITU IDs is out-of-scope. >>> >>> GMPLS signaling [RFC3473] uses a 5-tuple to uniquely identify an LSP >>> within an operator's network. This tuple is composed of a Tunnel >>> Endpoint Address, Tunnel_ID, Extended Tunnel ID, and Tunnel Sender >>> Address and (GMPLS) LSP_ID. >>> >>> Hence, the following mapping is used without the need of redefining a >>> new TLV for MPLS-TP proactive CV purpose. >>> >>> - Tunnel ID = src_tunnel_num >>> >>> - Tunnel Sender Address = src_node_id >>> >>> - LSP ID = LSP_Num >>> >>> "Tunnel ID" and "Tunnel Sender Address" are included in the "SESSION" >>> object [RFC3209], which is mandatory in both Path and Resv messages. >>> "LSP ID" will be the same on both directions and it is included in >>> the "SENDER_TEMPLATE" object [RFC3209] which is mandatory in Path >> messages. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CCAMP mailing list >>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>> >>> From jdrake@juniper.net Fri May 25 09:21:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F1F21F86A6 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:21:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.074 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.074 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.525, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IPp3pVlpd79y for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og117.obsmtp.com (exprod7og117.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC46421F86A5 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob117.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT7+xcVzNXC8DioJFuavn1LRhLRUr7qzY@postini.com; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:21:10 PDT Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([::1]) with mapi; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:20:09 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 09:20:08 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document Thread-Index: Ac06jOj1XjIdvUzWRaWBBMuBE1/yhgAAY/Hw Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4827@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4FBF7F94.4010705@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47EF@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:21:15 -0000 =20 Sent from my iPhone >-----Original Message----- >From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 8:42 AM >To: John E Drake >Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document > >John, > I'm have a little trouble following you, are you perhaps >referencing >6370 rather than 6428 in a few places? See specifics below. > > >On 5/25/2012 10:49 AM, John E Drake wrote: >> Lou, >> >> Thanks for quoting my text, > >from 6428, right? JD: Your email explicitly referenced text from 6428, so why is there a que= stion? > >> which I wrote based upon a version of RFC >> 6370 when it was still a draft. >> >> Unfortunately, as published, RFC 6370 is not internally consistent >> with my text. > >Your text as published? If yes, it is entirely consistent. If not, I >can't comment on your original text. JD: What part of "Unfortunately, as published, RFC 6370 is not internally = consistent with my text." do you not understand? >> >> Unfortunately, RFC 6370 doubles down on LSP-ID by saying that LSP ID >> is the same in both MEP IDs. > >Only in the context of Co-Routed Bidirectional, see section 5.2.1. JD: Precisely > >> Because an LSP ID is unique only in the context of Node ID and >> Tunnel_Num, this is incorrect. > >I'm not sure if you referring to 6370 MPLS-TP LSP Identifier or RFC3209 >LSP_ID in the context of 6428. If the former, I'm not sure what your >are referring to. If that latter, I agree the text "the 16-bit LSP_NUM >(that MUST be unique within the context of the Tunnel_Num)" may mislead >one to believe that the LSP_ID may not be unique across all tunnels, JD: From RFC 6370 section 5.2.1 (Co-Routed Bi-Directional LSPs): "A co-routed bidirectional LSP can be uniquely identified by a single LSP n= umber within the scope of an MPLS-TP Tunnel_ID. Specifically, an LSP Numbe= r (LSP_Num) is a 16-bit unsigned integer unique within the Tunnel_ID." =20 >but >this would be incorrect as 3209 scopes LSP_ID to be unique per sender >and *not* per tunnel. But I'm not sure that this text precludes this. JD: I don't find any text in RFC 3209 that defines LSP_IP scope. > >Are you referring to something else? > >> >> So, I think we have the following choices: > >Is this proposal for both co-router and associated bidirectional? > >> >> 1) Change RFC 6370 to stipulate that LSP ID is unique in the context >> of [A1 Node ID, A1 Tunnel_Num] *and* [Z9 Node ID, Z9 Tunnel_Num] > >I don't think this is correct. 3209 allows the same LSP_ID to be used on >multiple tunnels. JD: As I indicated above, RFC 3209 is remarkably silent on the characteris= tics of LSP_IP. But I think you missed my point, which is that the same LS= P_ID must be unique within two different contexts, one on A1 and one on Z9. > >> and >> change draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext to be consistent with >> this. >> >> 2) Change RFC 6370 to indicate that there is an A1 LSP ID and a Z9 >> LSP ID > >6370 already does 2 for associated. The A1 and Z9 LSP_ID is *always* >identical for corouted associated. JD: And that is the issue. The LSP_ID is defined in the context of [A1 No= de ID, A1 Tunnel_Num], but these two fields do not appear in a MEP ID for Z= 9. From jdrake@juniper.net Fri May 25 09:28:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1509D21F873A for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:28:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.132 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.132 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.467, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6AH3R5TeiGvM for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og125.obsmtp.com (exprod7og125.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A993521F873E for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob125.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT7+zDCWgCRunQbS7hb9s8bX/8A4X1F28@postini.com; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:27:59 PDT Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([::1]) with mapi; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:26:56 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 09:26:53 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document Thread-Index: Ac06jOj1XjIdvUzWRaWBBMuBE1/yhgABgLfA Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B482A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4FBF7F94.4010705@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47EF@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:28:01 -0000 Snipped... Sent from my iPhone > >> 3) Change RFC 6370 to use the 5 tuple defined in RFC 3209, and change >> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext and RFC 6428 to be consistent >> with this. > >I can see this work for corouted, but how would it work for associated? > JD: There would be a different 5 tuple for each direction. From lberger@labn.net Fri May 25 09:44:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0836B21F8763 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:44:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.362, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o0Ze8KgeIJUR for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DF0621F8755 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24711 invoked by uid 0); 25 May 2012 16:44:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 May 2012 16:44:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=CAHYk6qulOOE1UM3YTC+VTK2huBMk9e9Wq0TdOVaCmc=; b=UtxTHjMxqDME/Yb2tzVUePfeujuQjJbe423pyV06wUUDe4U0s947bVIlkDtZAR46ZKaehmJGAebTR/PvWbpN4dtCLYfg/75dPL5xyz05UGMaMnoy/U/7nCFEomhB3TYj; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:44380 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SXxcf-000563-Qk; Fri, 25 May 2012 10:44:18 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBFB6DF.9030806@labn.net> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 12:44:15 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4FBF7F94.4010705@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47EF@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4827@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4827@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:44:20 -0000 On 5/25/2012 12:20 PM, John E Drake wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 8:42 AM >> To: John E Drake >> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >> >> John, >> I'm have a little trouble following you, are you perhaps >> referencing >> 6370 rather than 6428 in a few places? See specifics below. >> >> >> On 5/25/2012 10:49 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>> Lou, >>> >>> Thanks for quoting my text, >> >>from 6428, right? > > > JD: Your email explicitly referenced text from 6428, so why is there a question? yes, but your mail only listed your text in 6370 so while I'm sure you knew exactly what you meant, I don't. > > >> >>> which I wrote based upon a version of RFC >>> 6370 when it was still a draft. >>> >>> Unfortunately, as published, RFC 6370 is not internally consistent >>> with my text. >> >> Your text as published? If yes, it is entirely consistent. If not, I >> can't comment on your original text. > > > JD: What part of "Unfortunately, as published, RFC 6370 is not > internally consistent with my text." do you not understand? > Hereto, I'm sure you know what "my text" refers to, but I don't. > >>> >>> Unfortunately, RFC 6370 doubles down on LSP-ID by saying that LSP ID >>> is the same in both MEP IDs. >> >> Only in the context of Co-Routed Bidirectional, see section 5.2.1. > > > JD: Precisely > > >> >>> Because an LSP ID is unique only in the context of Node ID and >>> Tunnel_Num, this is incorrect. >> >> I'm not sure if you referring to 6370 MPLS-TP LSP Identifier or RFC3209 >> LSP_ID in the context of 6428. If the former, I'm not sure what your >> are referring to. If that latter, I agree the text "the 16-bit LSP_NUM >> (that MUST be unique within the context of the Tunnel_Num)" may mislead >> one to believe that the LSP_ID may not be unique across all tunnels, > > > JD: From RFC 6370 section 5.2.1 (Co-Routed Bi-Directional LSPs): > > "A co-routed bidirectional LSP can be uniquely identified by a single LSP number within the scope of an MPLS-TP Tunnel_ID. Specifically, an LSP Number (LSP_Num) is a 16-bit unsigned integer unique within the Tunnel_ID." > " MPLS-TP Tunnel_ID" = A1-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::Z9-{Node_ID::Tunnel_Num} the LSP_num is unique "within the scope of an MPLS-TP Tunnel_ID" (but not necessarily across all MPLS-TP Tunnel_IDs.) So what's the issue? > >> but >> this would be incorrect as 3209 scopes LSP_ID to be unique per sender >> and *not* per tunnel. But I'm not sure that this text precludes this. > > > JD: I don't find any text in RFC 3209 that defines LSP_IP scope. > I think the object and its usage does: +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IPv4 tunnel sender address | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | MUST be zero | LSP ID | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> >> Are you referring to something else? >> >>> >>> So, I think we have the following choices: >> >> Is this proposal for both co-router and associated bidirectional? >> >>> >>> 1) Change RFC 6370 to stipulate that LSP ID is unique in the context >>> of [A1 Node ID, A1 Tunnel_Num] *and* [Z9 Node ID, Z9 Tunnel_Num] >> >> I don't think this is correct. 3209 allows the same LSP_ID to be used on >> multiple tunnels. > > > JD: As I indicated above, RFC 3209 is remarkably silent on the > characteristics of LSP_IP. But I think you missed my point, no doubt, I did day I was having trouble following you. > which is > that the same LSP_ID must be unique within two different contexts, > one on A1 and one on Z9. for associated bidirectional, I agree and this was been the case since 3209 was defined. For co-routed, by implication, 3473 only defines lsp id in the context of the ingress as it doesn't change the definition of sender template. I accept that 6428 is placing additional restrictions on scope of (RSVP) LSP ID. I thought that was part of the point the text that I previously quoted. > >> >>> and >>> change draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext to be consistent with >>> this. >>> >>> 2) Change RFC 6370 to indicate that there is an A1 LSP ID and a Z9 >>> LSP ID >> >> 6370 already does 2 for associated. The A1 and Z9 LSP_ID is *always* >> identical for corouted associated. > > > JD: And that is the issue. The LSP_ID is defined in the context of > [A1 Node ID, A1 Tunnel_Num], but these two fields do not appear in a > MEP ID for Z9. > sure, and Z9 can choose its tunnel number to ensure that the A1 defined LSP ID is unique within [Z1 Node ID, Z1 Tunnel_Num]. At least that's one implication of the text in 6428 as published. Lou > > > > From lberger@labn.net Fri May 25 09:46:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C4921F8723 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:46:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.82 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.82 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.341, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tMv1ovgLaIBp for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 768A921F873E for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 09:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15543 invoked by uid 0); 25 May 2012 16:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 May 2012 16:46:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=10jf64+MoJk/gwT9cgI2LRglkg7JrDnPCA24ZVPnXfo=; b=RAxob0MwqrctBQ8ws3r7D+EvypoB0SUbgjeJMaAdn/CzypPkA3R4RnGJ/XbAfDzMPHQMUwWp2hNvqfqycSWugjNbfMb+dCWc8AEaCRIDtQ3MJkbuosUdA3tGWDFk47+F; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:44499 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SXxeL-0005ey-3Q; Fri, 25 May 2012 10:46:01 -0600 Message-ID: <4FBFB746.6010507@labn.net> Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 12:45:58 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4FBF7F94.4010705@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47EF@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B482A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B482A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:46:03 -0000 Okay, that would work but both 6370 and 6428 would need to be updated to consistent. On 5/25/2012 12:26 PM, John E Drake wrote: > Snipped... > > Sent from my iPhone > >> >>> 3) Change RFC 6370 to use the 5 tuple defined in RFC 3209, and change >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext and RFC 6428 to be consistent >>> with this. >> >> I can see this work for corouted, but how would it work for associated? >> > > JD: There would be a different 5 tuple for each direction. > > > > From zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn Fri May 25 18:30:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F3E11E8086 for ; Fri, 25 May 2012 18:30:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.788 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.788 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.846, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_DOUBLE_IP_LOOSE=0.76, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XvZKuXgAwDaj for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 12:54:00 -0000 Lou, It's what should have been done in the first place, but now it's probably t= oo big a change.=20 If we stipulate in RFC 6370 that for a co-routed bi-directional LSP the Z9 = Tunnel_Num MUST equal the A1 Tunnel_Num AND the Z9 LSP ID MUST equal the A1= LSP ID then: RFC 6428 is correct draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext is correct draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 is not needed It's very close to using the 5 tuple Thanks, John Sent from my iPhone >-----Original Message----- >From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:46 AM >To: John E Drake >Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document > >Okay, that would work but both 6370 and 6428 would need to be updated to >consistent. > >On 5/25/2012 12:26 PM, John E Drake wrote: >> Snipped... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> >>>> 3) Change RFC 6370 to use the 5 tuple defined in RFC 3209, and >>>> change draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext and RFC 6428 to be >>>> consistent with this. >>> >>> I can see this work for corouted, but how would it work for >associated? >>> >> >> JD: There would be a different 5 tuple for each direction. >> >> >> >> From lberger@labn.net Sat May 26 07:47:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0791B21F8564 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 07:47:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.839 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.839 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.322, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6WvdpSu700te for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 07:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E88C121F8540 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 07:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21466 invoked by uid 0); 26 May 2012 14:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 May 2012 14:47:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=AqCHpdthjei/KRYg/iP31haDYo+Na9ovYtNWpNT3Xxw=; b=XsbEMej604Ff61M91ReVFETMiOivKBeZ7tecaTyg9TRvz0VCdMio3R3368ycdamL1/M6EePJ5PuKN++Wwj+Zu2FeTpI59HRCWOMKATi2iMWzRQei8puX+pp25axMbSY8; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:35899 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SYIH2-0001ND-VS; Sat, 26 May 2012 08:47:21 -0600 Message-ID: <4FC0ECF2.2070904@labn.net> Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 10:47:14 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4FBF7F94.4010705@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47EF@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B482A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFB746.6010507@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B48F8@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B48F8@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 14:47:27 -0000 John, I'm all for simplification, but what happens when the Z9 already has an LSP (that it or some other ingress originated) with the A1 tunnel number? Lou On 5/26/2012 8:52 AM, John E Drake wrote: > Lou, > > It's what should have been done in the first place, but now it's probably too big a change. > > If we stipulate in RFC 6370 that for a co-routed bi-directional LSP the Z9 Tunnel_Num MUST equal the A1 Tunnel_Num AND the Z9 LSP ID MUST equal the A1 LSP ID then: > > RFC 6428 is correct > > draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext is correct > > draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 is not needed > > It's very close to using the 5 tuple > > Thanks, > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:46 AM >> To: John E Drake >> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >> >> Okay, that would work but both 6370 and 6428 would need to be updated to >> consistent. >> >> On 5/25/2012 12:26 PM, John E Drake wrote: >>> Snipped... >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> >>>>> 3) Change RFC 6370 to use the 5 tuple defined in RFC 3209, and >>>>> change draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext and RFC 6428 to be >>>>> consistent with this. >>>> >>>> I can see this work for corouted, but how would it work for >> associated? >>>> >>> >>> JD: There would be a different 5 tuple for each direction. >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From andras.kern@ericsson.com Mon May 28 23:42:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BB121F8742 for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 23:42:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YhTXHAyGhIlF for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 23:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw7.ericsson.se (mailgw7.ericsson.se [193.180.251.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16FA21F872D for ; Mon, 28 May 2012 23:42:29 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-b7f606d0000002be-72-4fc46fd30aee Received: from esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw7.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id D4.D7.00702.3DF64CF4; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:42:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.105]) by esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.90]) with mapi; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:42:27 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E1s_Kern?= To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:42:24 +0200 Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext Thread-Index: Ac01M9r+6FZC9L2ZTt+U7hH84n69awIMkzPA Message-ID: <4E14494CE971A342A82EAE06E4B2422467D807E86B@ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: hu-HU, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: hu-HU, en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrELMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvre7l/CP+BvceW1rM+qZp8WTODRaL y13d7BYvN8s4sHi87J/D6LFkyU8mjy+XP7MFMEdx2aSk5mSWpRbp2yVwZWw+nl7QxF/x6Pox xgbGNTxdjBwcEgImEtdOGnUxcgKZYhIX7q1n62Lk4hASOMUocaj/MzNIQkhgIaPE+6t+IDab gL3EscvbGUGKRAQWM0pM3rAfrIhZIE5i3ZFWdhCbRUBVYvuEXiYQW1jATeL3i6VsILaIgLvE mvunmSBsI4nXJ5+yghzBKxAuca03H2JXuMTmj+tZQWxOgQiJA8+fMoGUMArISjxcawGxSVzi 1pP5TBA3C0gs2XOeGcIWlXj5+B9YK6OAjMSHpYfYIOr1JG5MnQJla0ssW/garJ5XQFDi5Mwn LBMYxWYhGTsLScssJC2zkLQsYGRZxSicm5iZk15urpdalJlcXJyfp1ecuokRGE8Ht/w22MG4 6b7YIUZpDhYlcV491f3+QgLpiSWp2ampBalF8UWlOanFhxiZODilGhitd5o7HtHTTKr3/tHm +ZTLsibUZ9+U19f/H9g848La25lG9cnzNW/dPWVwW/V5wPuLr4X+vzzt/qfu4w25BQwVH/fM +ZDFpJddWRv90kDJa+etq+lHb5Y/Dn726uOr2fx/Yx02RtwysFeedO2w8I97nb6il99rVAp9 OJ3GPIVfbecJo9lVjWGblFiKMxINtZiLihMBBxaIGnUCAAA= Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:42:30 -0000 Hi All, I am not aware of IPR related to this document. Andras=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org]=20 > On Behalf Of BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 10:22 PM > To: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on=20 > draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext >=20 > Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) >=20 > In preparation of this document for Last Call: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to=20 > draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF=20 > IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please=20 > answer the above by responding to this email regardless of=20 > whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This=20 > document will not advance to the next stage until a response=20 > has been received from each author and listed contributor. >=20 > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as=20 > an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations=20 > under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the=20 > IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF=20 > contribution, or to refrain from participating in any=20 > contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. =20 > For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and=20 > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >=20 > Thank you, > CCAMP WG Chairs >=20 > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message=20 > in your response. >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > = From jie.dong@huawei.com Tue May 29 00:45:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB2021F877E for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 00:45:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1GrcWg80quPP for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 00:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD5521F8778 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 00:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AGP99631; Tue, 29 May 2012 03:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.203) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 29 May 2012 00:43:49 -0700 Received: from SZXEML422-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.161) by dfweml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.203) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 29 May 2012 00:43:48 -0700 Received: from SZXEML504-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.141]) by szxeml422-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.161]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:43:45 +0800 From: Jie Dong To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New version submitted: draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb-03 Thread-Index: Ac09bsXvrJooy8kvQ/ueFMHhnSx/zw== Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:43:45 +0000 Message-ID: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247CCBA8@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.4.69] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [CCAMP] New version submitted: draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb-03 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:45:28 -0000 Hi all,=20 We have submitted a new version of draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb. Based on the discussions on the list, in this revision the Administratively= down (A) bit in ADMIN_STATUS Object is used for Lock Instruct. Comments are welcome. Best regards, Jie ------------ A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. Title : RSVP-TE Extensions for Lock Instruct and Loopback in MPL= S Transport Profile Author(s) : Jie Dong Mach Chen Zhenqiang Li Filename : draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb-03.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2012-05-28 This document specifies extensions to RSVP-TE to support lock instruct and loopback mechanism for MPLS-TP LSPs. The mechanisms are intended to be applicable to other aspects of MPLS as well. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-dong-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-li-lb-= 03.txt From jdrake@juniper.net Tue May 29 06:08:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC69E21F87A7 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:08:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.217 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.217 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.382, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IrvVwLGUA5Th for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og102.obsmtp.com (exprod7og102.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.157]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1EF21F878E for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob102.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT8TKJkFeGnQmWrcOKJ8AAVOE4c8cEyU5@postini.com; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:07:54 PDT Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::fc92:eb1:759:2c72%11]) with mapi; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:06:58 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:06:55 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document Thread-Index: Ac07TnWqcL0Ve7VKTcSe6yogzIuoLgCS3VTg Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4AF2@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4FBF7F94.4010705@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47EF@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B482A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFB746.6010507@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B48F8@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FC0ECF2.2070904@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FC0ECF2.2070904@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:08:00 -0000 Lou, Oopsie. Given that we have always used the 5 tuple to identify an LSP, does it real= ly make sense to invent a new method to identify an LSP (Z9 Tunnel_Num) esp= ecially when we also need to invent a mechanism for the LSP ingress to lear= n it? CV is intended to be performed by the slow path in software, meaning it is = amenable to change. Would it make sense to poll the MPLS and CCAMP mailing= lists to see whether there is support for changing RFCs 6370 and 6428 to u= se the 5 tuple? Thanks, John=20 Sent from my iPhone >-----Original Message----- >From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:47 AM >To: John E Drake >Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document > >John, > I'm all for simplification, but what happens when the Z9 already >has an LSP (that it or some other ingress originated) with the A1 tunnel >number? > >Lou > >On 5/26/2012 8:52 AM, John E Drake wrote: >> Lou, >> >> It's what should have been done in the first place, but now it's >probably too big a change. >> >> If we stipulate in RFC 6370 that for a co-routed bi-directional LSP >the Z9 Tunnel_Num MUST equal the A1 Tunnel_Num AND the Z9 LSP ID MUST >equal the A1 LSP ID then: >> >> RFC 6428 is correct >> >> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext is correct >> >> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 is not needed >> >> It's very close to using the 5 tuple >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:46 AM >>> To: John E Drake >>> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>> >>> Okay, that would work but both 6370 and 6428 would need to be updated >>> to consistent. >>> >>> On 5/25/2012 12:26 PM, John E Drake wrote: >>>> Snipped... >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 3) Change RFC 6370 to use the 5 tuple defined in RFC 3209, and >>>>>> change draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext and RFC 6428 to be >>>>>> consistent with this. >>>>> >>>>> I can see this work for corouted, but how would it work for >>> associated? >>>>> >>>> >>>> JD: There would be a different 5 tuple for each direction. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> From lberger@labn.net Tue May 29 06:46:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600F921F8723 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:46:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XQqjWOAhA-XE for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AA6921F8594 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 06:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18388 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2012 13:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 May 2012 13:46:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=P+1/fR23hSBvvSkAWEysNJZHzdFlJsJJBVJmYSzYhP8=; b=vMRhPVM3B587mcwSzE1C7fynO59KjVso3LJb+71QTJ1/yk4ZHEUXHTOfuaaFI+KGu5o+6xnlTtK3FUbp0lPeETXi1ecSIdAWUUPaLJhV+atCCccAWi8MwkLYkLyJVG1E; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:37986 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SZMko-0005TI-6D; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:46:30 -0600 Message-ID: <4FC4D333.4070401@labn.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:46:27 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4FBF7F94.4010705@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47EF@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B482A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFB746.6010507@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B48F8@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FC0ECF2.2070904@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4AF2@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4AF2@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:46:32 -0000 John, see below. On 5/29/2012 9:06 AM, John E Drake wrote: > Lou, > > Oopsie. > > Given that we have always used the 5 tuple to identify an LSP, does > it really make sense to invent a new method to identify an LSP (Z9 > Tunnel_Num) I believe the intent was to maximize consistency between associated and corouted bidirectional TP LSPs. That said, this is really a discussion for the authors of 6370 and the MPLS WG. > especially when we also need to invent a mechanism for > the LSP ingress to learn it? I personally (chair hat off) don't see communicating this as a big deal. There are lots of possible mechanisms we can leverage (the draft being polled suggests one.) To me it's a question of where the complexity lives; in this case, in OAM or in the CP. As I see it (again no hat) 6370 simplifies OAM at the cost of added CP complexity -- which I'm personally okay with, but I also didn't feel strongly about this at the time it was being discussed in the MPLS WG. I'm pretty sure, but can't remember for sure, bringing this point up during one of George's presentations. > > CV is intended to be performed by the slow path in software, meaning > it is amenable to change. Would it make sense to poll the MPLS and > CCAMP mailing lists to see whether there is support for changing RFCs > 6370 and 6428 to use the 5 tuple? I suspect changing TP OAM at this point would be a *big deal*. I'm cc'ing the MPLS-WG chairs on the off chance they want to chime in. Lou > > Thanks, > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:47 AM >> To: John E Drake >> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >> >> John, >> I'm all for simplification, but what happens when the Z9 already >> has an LSP (that it or some other ingress originated) with the A1 tunnel >> number? >> >> Lou >> >> On 5/26/2012 8:52 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>> Lou, >>> >>> It's what should have been done in the first place, but now it's >> probably too big a change. >>> >>> If we stipulate in RFC 6370 that for a co-routed bi-directional LSP >> the Z9 Tunnel_Num MUST equal the A1 Tunnel_Num AND the Z9 LSP ID MUST >> equal the A1 LSP ID then: >>> >>> RFC 6428 is correct >>> >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext is correct >>> >>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 is not needed >>> >>> It's very close to using the 5 tuple >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:46 AM >>>> To: John E Drake >>>> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>> >>>> Okay, that would work but both 6370 and 6428 would need to be updated >>>> to consistent. >>>> >>>> On 5/25/2012 12:26 PM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>> Snipped... >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> 3) Change RFC 6370 to use the 5 tuple defined in RFC 3209, and >>>>>>> change draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext and RFC 6428 to be >>>>>>> consistent with this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can see this work for corouted, but how would it work for >>>> associated? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> JD: There would be a different 5 tuple for each direction. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From jdrake@juniper.net Tue May 29 07:19:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B46511E8081 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:19:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.350, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9pfHie9aSbIk for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og126.obsmtp.com (exprod7og126.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.206]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B034311E8073 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob126.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT8Ta9KYlF5LvyfUkFFTqHQBdL/Vkq9Py@postini.com; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:19:43 PDT Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::88f9:77fd:dfc:4d51%11]) with mapi; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:18:19 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:18:17 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document Thread-Index: Ac09oXZdtl1spfUCTPWZdViVQPpRLQAA5qiw Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4B24@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4FBF7F94.4010705@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47EF@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B482A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFB746.6010507@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B48F8@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FC0ECF2.2070904@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4AF2@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FC4D333.4070401@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FC4D333.4070401@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 14:19:44 -0000 Lou, The OAM complexity is the same, checking some fields in a received CV messa= ge against expected values. So, we are adding control plane complexity and= inconsistency with the 5 tuple for no advantage. Thanks, John=20 Sent from my iPhone >-----Original Message----- >From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:46 AM >To: John E Drake >Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org; Adrian Farrel; mpls- >chairs@tools.ietf.org >Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document > >John, > > see below. > >On 5/29/2012 9:06 AM, John E Drake wrote: >> Lou, >> >> Oopsie. >> >> Given that we have always used the 5 tuple to identify an LSP, does it >> really make sense to invent a new method to identify an LSP (Z9 >> Tunnel_Num) > >I believe the intent was to maximize consistency between associated and >corouted bidirectional TP LSPs. That said, this is really a discussion >for the authors of 6370 and the MPLS WG. > >> especially when we also need to invent a mechanism for the LSP ingress >> to learn it? > >I personally (chair hat off) don't see communicating this as a big deal. > There are lots of possible mechanisms we can leverage (the draft being >polled suggests one.) To me it's a question of where the complexity >lives; in this case, in OAM or in the CP. As I see it (again no hat) >6370 simplifies OAM at the cost of added CP complexity -- which I'm >personally okay with, but I also didn't feel strongly about this at the >time it was being discussed in the MPLS WG. I'm pretty sure, but can't >remember for sure, bringing this point up during one of George's >presentations. > >> >> CV is intended to be performed by the slow path in software, meaning >> it is amenable to change. Would it make sense to poll the MPLS and >> CCAMP mailing lists to see whether there is support for changing RFCs >> 6370 and 6428 to use the 5 tuple? > >I suspect changing TP OAM at this point would be a *big deal*. I'm >cc'ing the MPLS-WG chairs on the off chance they want to chime in. > >Lou > >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:47 AM >>> To: John E Drake >>> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>> >>> John, >>> I'm all for simplification, but what happens when the Z9 already >has >>> an LSP (that it or some other ingress originated) with the A1 tunnel >>> number? >>> >>> Lou >>> >>> On 5/26/2012 8:52 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>> Lou, >>>> >>>> It's what should have been done in the first place, but now it's >>> probably too big a change. >>>> >>>> If we stipulate in RFC 6370 that for a co-routed bi-directional LSP >>> the Z9 Tunnel_Num MUST equal the A1 Tunnel_Num AND the Z9 LSP ID MUST >>> equal the A1 LSP ID then: >>>> >>>> RFC 6428 is correct >>>> >>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext is correct >>>> >>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 is not needed >>>> >>>> It's very close to using the 5 tuple >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:46 AM >>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making >>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>>> >>>>> Okay, that would work but both 6370 and 6428 would need to be >>>>> updated to consistent. >>>>> >>>>> On 5/25/2012 12:26 PM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>>> Snipped... >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3) Change RFC 6370 to use the 5 tuple defined in RFC 3209, and >>>>>>>> change draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext and RFC 6428 to >>>>>>>> be consistent with this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can see this work for corouted, but how would it work for >>>>> associated? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> JD: There would be a different 5 tuple for each direction. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> From lberger@labn.net Tue May 29 07:34:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF20E11E8073 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vIDLseodNva4 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id ECE8721F86DD for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26981 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2012 14:34:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 May 2012 14:34:17 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=XiMkKI7PczQ2POsVJtjdyutIuIiGHk3h9E9yhcrYmNM=; b=EdM5bBVbqZRwq8Vlk1cxD4d3kEvuosWyFFUS++LMmlu8BiZyl3QEjgNOEagBz3S0zIKqjFONqznWlejQ4IW6MyoEDRthHBULxCOLYUHxu/f7DpoMCy4UXw9+1QxoK4Lw; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:42960 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SZNV2-0007nd-Vd; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:34:17 -0600 Message-ID: <4FC4DE66.1070802@labn.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:34:14 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4FBF7F94.4010705@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47EF@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B482A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFB746.6010507@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B48F8@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FC0ECF2.2070904@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4AF2@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FC4D333.4070401@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4B24@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4B24@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 14:34:19 -0000 John, I think the issue with changing CV at this point is more procedural than technical. Either way, making that call/change is up to the MPLS WG. >From the CCAMP perspective, my feeling (chair hat on) is that the WG should continue doing work based on the existing RFCs and change direction if/when MPLS WG reaches consensus on doing a (or multiple) bis on the RFC. In other words, I think we should continue the poll assuming that the requirements implied by RFCs 6370 and 6428 are correct, and that z9-Tunnel number does need to be communicated to the ingress in the co-routed bidirectional case. We can always shelve the resulting CCAMP WG document if the MPLS WG adopts 6370-bis/6428-bis drafts as MPLS WG documents. Lou On 5/29/2012 10:18 AM, John E Drake wrote: > Lou, > > The OAM complexity is the same, checking some fields in a received CV > message against expected values. So, we are adding control plane > complexity and inconsistency with the 5 tuple for no advantage. > > Thanks, > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:46 AM >> To: John E Drake >> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org; Adrian Farrel; mpls- >> chairs@tools.ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >> >> John, >> >> see below. >> >> On 5/29/2012 9:06 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>> Lou, >>> >>> Oopsie. >>> >>> Given that we have always used the 5 tuple to identify an LSP, does it >>> really make sense to invent a new method to identify an LSP (Z9 >>> Tunnel_Num) >> >> I believe the intent was to maximize consistency between associated and >> corouted bidirectional TP LSPs. That said, this is really a discussion >> for the authors of 6370 and the MPLS WG. >> >>> especially when we also need to invent a mechanism for the LSP ingress >>> to learn it? >> >> I personally (chair hat off) don't see communicating this as a big deal. >> There are lots of possible mechanisms we can leverage (the draft being >> polled suggests one.) To me it's a question of where the complexity >> lives; in this case, in OAM or in the CP. As I see it (again no hat) >> 6370 simplifies OAM at the cost of added CP complexity -- which I'm >> personally okay with, but I also didn't feel strongly about this at the >> time it was being discussed in the MPLS WG. I'm pretty sure, but can't >> remember for sure, bringing this point up during one of George's >> presentations. >> >>> >>> CV is intended to be performed by the slow path in software, meaning >>> it is amenable to change. Would it make sense to poll the MPLS and >>> CCAMP mailing lists to see whether there is support for changing RFCs >>> 6370 and 6428 to use the 5 tuple? >> >> I suspect changing TP OAM at this point would be a *big deal*. I'm >> cc'ing the MPLS-WG chairs on the off chance they want to chime in. >> >> Lou >> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:47 AM >>>> To: John E Drake >>>> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>> >>>> John, >>>> I'm all for simplification, but what happens when the Z9 already >> has >>>> an LSP (that it or some other ingress originated) with the A1 tunnel >>>> number? >>>> >>>> Lou >>>> >>>> On 5/26/2012 8:52 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>> Lou, >>>>> >>>>> It's what should have been done in the first place, but now it's >>>> probably too big a change. >>>>> >>>>> If we stipulate in RFC 6370 that for a co-routed bi-directional LSP >>>> the Z9 Tunnel_Num MUST equal the A1 Tunnel_Num AND the Z9 LSP ID MUST >>>> equal the A1 LSP ID then: >>>>> >>>>> RFC 6428 is correct >>>>> >>>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext is correct >>>>> >>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 is not needed >>>>> >>>>> It's very close to using the 5 tuple >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:46 AM >>>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>>> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making >>>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay, that would work but both 6370 and 6428 would need to be >>>>>> updated to consistent. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/25/2012 12:26 PM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>>>> Snipped... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3) Change RFC 6370 to use the 5 tuple defined in RFC 3209, and >>>>>>>>> change draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext and RFC 6428 to >>>>>>>>> be consistent with this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can see this work for corouted, but how would it work for >>>>>> associated? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JD: There would be a different 5 tuple for each direction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From jdrake@juniper.net Tue May 29 07:46:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3730911E8085 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:46:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.023, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y4GITQ5lKTO1 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og121.obsmtp.com (exprod7og121.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5835811E8074 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob121.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT8ThMCkqxN8vRWazktclW3DHL47Liq9Y@postini.com; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:46:18 PDT Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB03-HQ.jnpr.net ([::1]) with mapi; Tue, 29 May 2012 07:42:29 -0700 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:42:27 -0700 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document Thread-Index: Ac09qCJ5IYLZWKVDRLyGk9kS9d+VlwAAEgcQ Message-ID: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A578B263F4@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> References: <4FBF7F94.4010705@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47EF@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B482A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFB746.6010507@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B48F8@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FC0ECF2.2070904@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4AF2@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FC4D333.4070401@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4B24@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FC4DE66.1070802@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4FC4DE66.1070802@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 14:46:19 -0000 Lou, That's fine. My preference is that the mechanism for communicating the Z9 Tunnel_Num to = the ingress be documented in draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext rathe= r than in the subject draft, because draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-e= xt already deals with the topic of control plane initialization of OAM and = it doesn't seem sensible to have a integral part of that initialization be = documented in another draft. Thanks, John Sent from my iPhone >-----Original Message----- >From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:34 AM >To: John E Drake >Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org; Adrian Farrel; mpls- >chairs@tools.ietf.org >Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document > >John, > I think the issue with changing CV at this point is more >procedural than technical. Either way, making that call/change is up to >the MPLS WG. > >From the CCAMP perspective, my feeling (chair hat on) is that the WG >should continue doing work based on the existing RFCs and change >direction if/when MPLS WG reaches consensus on doing a (or multiple) bis >on the RFC. > >In other words, I think we should continue the poll assuming that the >requirements implied by RFCs 6370 and 6428 are correct, and that z9- >Tunnel number does need to be communicated to the ingress in the co- >routed bidirectional case. > >We can always shelve the resulting CCAMP WG document if the MPLS WG >adopts 6370-bis/6428-bis drafts as MPLS WG documents. > >Lou > >On 5/29/2012 10:18 AM, John E Drake wrote: >> Lou, >> >> The OAM complexity is the same, checking some fields in a received CV >> message against expected values. So, we are adding control plane >> complexity and inconsistency with the 5 tuple for no advantage. >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:46 AM >>> To: John E Drake >>> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org; Adrian Farrel; mpls- >>> chairs@tools.ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>> >>> John, >>> >>> see below. >>> >>> On 5/29/2012 9:06 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>> Lou, >>>> >>>> Oopsie. >>>> >>>> Given that we have always used the 5 tuple to identify an LSP, does >>>> it really make sense to invent a new method to identify an LSP (Z9 >>>> Tunnel_Num) >>> >>> I believe the intent was to maximize consistency between associated >>> and corouted bidirectional TP LSPs. That said, this is really a >>> discussion for the authors of 6370 and the MPLS WG. >>> >>>> especially when we also need to invent a mechanism for the LSP >>>> ingress to learn it? >>> >>> I personally (chair hat off) don't see communicating this as a big >deal. >>> There are lots of possible mechanisms we can leverage (the draft >>> being polled suggests one.) To me it's a question of where the >>> complexity lives; in this case, in OAM or in the CP. As I see it >>> (again no hat) >>> 6370 simplifies OAM at the cost of added CP complexity -- which I'm >>> personally okay with, but I also didn't feel strongly about this at >>> the time it was being discussed in the MPLS WG. I'm pretty sure, but >>> can't remember for sure, bringing this point up during one of >>> George's presentations. >>> >>>> >>>> CV is intended to be performed by the slow path in software, meaning >>>> it is amenable to change. Would it make sense to poll the MPLS and >>>> CCAMP mailing lists to see whether there is support for changing >>>> RFCs >>>> 6370 and 6428 to use the 5 tuple? >>> >>> I suspect changing TP OAM at this point would be a *big deal*. I'm >>> cc'ing the MPLS-WG chairs on the off chance they want to chime in. >>> >>> Lou >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:47 AM >>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making >>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>>> >>>>> John, >>>>> I'm all for simplification, but what happens when the Z9 already >>> has >>>>> an LSP (that it or some other ingress originated) with the A1 >>>>> tunnel number? >>>>> >>>>> Lou >>>>> >>>>> On 5/26/2012 8:52 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>>> Lou, >>>>>> >>>>>> It's what should have been done in the first place, but now it's >>>>> probably too big a change. >>>>>> >>>>>> If we stipulate in RFC 6370 that for a co-routed bi-directional >>>>>> LSP >>>>> the Z9 Tunnel_Num MUST equal the A1 Tunnel_Num AND the Z9 LSP ID >>>>> MUST equal the A1 LSP ID then: >>>>>> >>>>>> RFC 6428 is correct >>>>>> >>>>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext is correct >>>>>> >>>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 is not needed >>>>>> >>>>>> It's very close to using the 5 tuple >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:46 AM >>>>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>>>> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making >>>>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>>>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay, that would work but both 6370 and 6428 would need to be >>>>>>> updated to consistent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/25/2012 12:26 PM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>>>>> Snipped... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3) Change RFC 6370 to use the 5 tuple defined in RFC 3209, >>>>>>>>>> and change draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext and RFC >>>>>>>>>> 6428 to be consistent with this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can see this work for corouted, but how would it work for >>>>>>> associated? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JD: There would be a different 5 tuple for each direction. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> From lberger@labn.net Tue May 29 08:16:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107E721F86B2 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:16:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sE+iB9PDWunj for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D812221F85C6 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 08:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17188 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2012 15:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 29 May 2012 15:16:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=bM3S/xZTNBQfNXzvMJIs+mxOzQ/uzZryb5PxfNbmDOs=; b=tU5A62gEzCk6xW+GCR7uyYSvpJUDlxWCvdmnLZhUr+83s73pTYxXS6MoB5pojZrZo/bp2ZuSAusmRmt3mpd2VWdn9+yR6PXgDQX9ITtDxopWL3dhJWQf5cCtlhhy7MCy; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:47844 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SZO9z-0007VM-Tf; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:16:36 -0600 Message-ID: <4FC4E851.9010106@labn.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:16:33 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <4FBF7F94.4010705@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B47EF@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFA83D.2020300@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B482A@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FBFB746.6010507@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B48F8@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FC0ECF2.2070904@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4AF2@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FC4D333.4070401@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5787B4B24@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FC4DE66.1070802@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A578B263F4@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A578B263F4@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:16:38 -0000 John, From a technical stand point, I don't really see the difference between 1 document or 2, as the mechanisms differ and to a large degree can be implemented independently, and would be happy with either. >From a process standpoint, I'm inclined to keep them separate for the simple reason that draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext is very mature (about to be last called) while the tunnel draft is just now entering the formal WG (consensus) process. That said, I'd like to hear from others in the WG, particularly other contributors to rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext, about their thoughts on adding this mechanism to rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext. If there's general support from the WG to delay that draft, we should consider it. Lou On 5/29/2012 10:42 AM, John E Drake wrote: > Lou, > > That's fine. > > My preference is that the mechanism for communicating the Z9 > Tunnel_Num to the ingress be documented in > draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext rather than in the subject > draft, because draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext already deals > with the topic of control plane initialization of OAM and it doesn't > seem sensible to have a integral part of that initialization be > documented in another draft. > > Thanks, > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:34 AM >> To: John E Drake >> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org; Adrian Farrel; mpls- >> chairs@tools.ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >> >> John, >> I think the issue with changing CV at this point is more >> procedural than technical. Either way, making that call/change is up to >> the MPLS WG. >> >>From the CCAMP perspective, my feeling (chair hat on) is that the WG >> should continue doing work based on the existing RFCs and change >> direction if/when MPLS WG reaches consensus on doing a (or multiple) bis >> on the RFC. >> >> In other words, I think we should continue the poll assuming that the >> requirements implied by RFCs 6370 and 6428 are correct, and that z9- >> Tunnel number does need to be communicated to the ingress in the co- >> routed bidirectional case. >> >> We can always shelve the resulting CCAMP WG document if the MPLS WG >> adopts 6370-bis/6428-bis drafts as MPLS WG documents. >> >> Lou >> >> On 5/29/2012 10:18 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>> Lou, >>> >>> The OAM complexity is the same, checking some fields in a received CV >>> message against expected values. So, we are adding control plane >>> complexity and inconsistency with the 5 tuple for no advantage. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:46 AM >>>> To: John E Drake >>>> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org; Adrian Farrel; mpls- >>>> chairs@tools.ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>> >>>> John, >>>> >>>> see below. >>>> >>>> On 5/29/2012 9:06 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>> Lou, >>>>> >>>>> Oopsie. >>>>> >>>>> Given that we have always used the 5 tuple to identify an LSP, does >>>>> it really make sense to invent a new method to identify an LSP (Z9 >>>>> Tunnel_Num) >>>> >>>> I believe the intent was to maximize consistency between associated >>>> and corouted bidirectional TP LSPs. That said, this is really a >>>> discussion for the authors of 6370 and the MPLS WG. >>>> >>>>> especially when we also need to invent a mechanism for the LSP >>>>> ingress to learn it? >>>> >>>> I personally (chair hat off) don't see communicating this as a big >> deal. >>>> There are lots of possible mechanisms we can leverage (the draft >>>> being polled suggests one.) To me it's a question of where the >>>> complexity lives; in this case, in OAM or in the CP. As I see it >>>> (again no hat) >>>> 6370 simplifies OAM at the cost of added CP complexity -- which I'm >>>> personally okay with, but I also didn't feel strongly about this at >>>> the time it was being discussed in the MPLS WG. I'm pretty sure, but >>>> can't remember for sure, bringing this point up during one of >>>> George's presentations. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> CV is intended to be performed by the slow path in software, meaning >>>>> it is amenable to change. Would it make sense to poll the MPLS and >>>>> CCAMP mailing lists to see whether there is support for changing >>>>> RFCs >>>>> 6370 and 6428 to use the 5 tuple? >>>> >>>> I suspect changing TP OAM at this point would be a *big deal*. I'm >>>> cc'ing the MPLS-WG chairs on the off chance they want to chime in. >>>> >>>> Lou >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 7:47 AM >>>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>>> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making >>>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>>>> >>>>>> John, >>>>>> I'm all for simplification, but what happens when the Z9 already >>>> has >>>>>> an LSP (that it or some other ingress originated) with the A1 >>>>>> tunnel number? >>>>>> >>>>>> Lou >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/26/2012 8:52 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>>>> Lou, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's what should have been done in the first place, but now it's >>>>>> probably too big a change. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If we stipulate in RFC 6370 that for a co-routed bi-directional >>>>>>> LSP >>>>>> the Z9 Tunnel_Num MUST equal the A1 Tunnel_Num AND the Z9 LSP ID >>>>>> MUST equal the A1 LSP ID then: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RFC 6428 is correct >>>>>>> >>>>>>> draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext is correct >>>>>>> >>>>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-02 is not needed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's very close to using the 5 tuple >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:46 AM >>>>>>>> To: John E Drake >>>>>>>> Cc: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn; ccamp@ietf.org >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] poll on making >>>>>>>> draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte- >>>>>>>> ext-tunnel-num-02 a WG document >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Okay, that would work but both 6370 and 6428 would need to be >>>>>>>> updated to consistent. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/25/2012 12:26 PM, John E Drake wrote: >>>>>>>>> Snipped... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 3) Change RFC 6370 to use the 5 tuple defined in RFC 3209, >>>>>>>>>>> and change draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext and RFC >>>>>>>>>>> 6428 to be consistent with this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I can see this work for corouted, but how would it work for >>>>>>>> associated? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JD: There would be a different 5 tuple for each direction. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From ietf-ipr@ietf.org Tue May 29 09:11:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B08711E80AD; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:11:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.43 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.43 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.169, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zf19kRzQcdAq; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1420911E808C; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:11:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Secretariat To: daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, zhangfatai@huawei.com, zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn, kpithewan@infinera.com, sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.it X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120529161130.14604.90537.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:11:30 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, dbrungard@att.com, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] IPR Disclosure: Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:11:31 -0000 Dear Daniele Ceccarelli, Fatai Zhang, Guoying Zhang, Khuzema Pithewan, Serg= io Belotti: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Generaliz= ed Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Extensions for the evolving G.709 Optical Transport Networks Control" (draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling- g709v3) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-05-29 and has been po= sted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1790/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-cc= amp- gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02.""); The IETF Secretariat From adrian@olddog.co.uk Tue May 29 09:32:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA4B21F86D1 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:32:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.67 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.67 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.930, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qUmmzjjL2yAt for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CC521F86CE for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 09:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4TGW8mu005027 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:32:08 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4TGW6qx005000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 17:32:07 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: <20120529161130.14604.90537.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120529161130.14604.90537.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:32:05 +0100 Message-ID: <0afd01cd3db8$964b81a0$c2e284e0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIZCLU4rbRItaRwQqSYsG7gexdBSJZJXfxQ Content-Language: en-gb Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR Disclosure: Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:32:11 -0000 Those of you who can't use Google might be interested in https://data.epo.org/publication-server/rest/v1.0/publication-dates/20120= 509/patents/EP2451186NWA1/document.pdf A > -----Original Message----- > From: IETF Secretariat [mailto:ietf-ipr@ietf.org] > Sent: 29 May 2012 17:12 > To: daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; zhangfatai@huawei.com; > zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; kpithewan@infinera.com; > sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.it > Cc: stbryant@cisco.com; adrian@olddog.co.uk; lberger@labn.net; > dbrungard@att.com; ccamp@ietf.org; ipr-announce@ietf.org > Subject: IPR Disclosure: Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement = about IPR > related to draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02 >=20 >=20 > Dear Daniele Ceccarelli, Fatai Zhang, Guoying Zhang, Khuzema Pithewan, = Sergio > Belotti: >=20 > An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled = "Generalized > Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Extensions for the = evolving > G.709 Optical Transport Networks Control" = (draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling- > g709v3) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-05-29 and has = been posted > on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1790/). The title of the IPR = disclosure is > "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to = draft-ietf-ccamp- > gmpls-signaling-g709v3-02.""); >=20 > The IETF Secretariat From adrian@olddog.co.uk Tue May 29 15:22:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5754E11E8125 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:22:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TsNdWsrXKbcU for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1415811E815C for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4TMMals010332; Tue, 29 May 2012 23:22:36 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4TMMZfB010314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 29 May 2012 23:22:36 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 23:22:33 +0100 Message-ID: <0b7101cd3de9$8bfadbc0$a3f09340$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac096YYfEpv6SLpwSQaFEN34z8kq/Q== Content-Language: en-gb Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 22:22:39 -0000 Hi, I have carried out my normal AD review of your draft. There is no cause for alarm! This looks to be a sound document, but as always with MIB modules it is possible to find a number of nits and questions. I would appreciate a revision of the document before we move it forward so that it will get a smoother ride through the rest of the process. I will put the document into "Revised ID needed" state in the tracker. As always, all issues and questions are open for discussion. Thanks, Adrian --- Per idnits, please change the header OLD Intended status: Standards Truck NEW Intended status: Proposed Standard END --- I am not comfortable with the two definitions OAM: Operations and Management OA&M: Operations, Administration and Maintenance. This is counter to RFC 6291which, although only guidelines, should be followed unless there is a good reason. That RFC has... o O&M - OAM and Management o OAM - Operations, Administration, and Maintenance Fortunately neither term is used in your document, and so they can be deleted. --- There are some acronyms in 3.3 that are not used in the rest of the document: FSC, LDP, LSC, LSR, OAM, OA&M, RSVP, --- Could you please sort out "MIB" versus "MIB module". There is only one MIB. There are many MIB modules - this document defines a MIB module. --- Section 6 is missing a close brace "}" for tedTable --- The copyright date in the MODULE-IDENTITY is 2011. --- You need to avoid using citations (e.g. [RFC3630]) within the MIB module itself. MIB modules are extracted from their documents and stand alone. --- The DESCRIPTION for the tedTable is "This table indicates multiple TED information which has been supported by [RFC3630]." This seems to imply this doesn't apply to ISIS. Maybe update the text? Similarly, a number of objects only give references to OSPF or OSPF-TE. Not referencing the corresponding IS-IS specs looks like the object only has meaning for OSPF. --- tedEntry OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX TedEntry MAX-ACCESS not-accessible STATUS current DESCRIPTION "This entry contains TED information commonly utilized in both MPLS and GMPLS." INDEX { tedLocalRouterId, tedRemoteRouterId, tedLinkInformationSource, tedLinkIndex } ::= { tedTable 1 } TedEntry ::= SEQUENCE { tedLinkInformationSource INTEGER, tedLocalRouterId TedRouterIdTC, tedRemoteRouterId TedRouterIdTC, tedLinkIndex TedLinkIndexTC, It is unusual to list the index fields in a different order from that which they appear in the table entry. Is this intended? --- Tom's surname is misspelled in several of the references! --- I'm having some trouble with the use of 2119 language in the Description for tedLinkInformationData. Two examples... If tedLinkInformationSource has the value unknown(0), this object SHOULD contain a value of zeroDotZero. Under what circumstances can this use of "SHOULD" be varied? If tedLinkInformationSource has the value locallyConfigured(1), this object MAY contain the identifier of the corresponding row entry in the teLinkTable of TE-LINK-STD- MIB[RFC4220], the identifier of the corresponding row in a local proprietary TE link MIB module, or the value of zeroDotZero otherwise. The use of "MAY" here implies that an implementation can choose to fill in the row pointer if it likes, but this is entirely an implementation choice. Is this what you are saying, or do you want to constrain the behavior more forcefully if TE-LINK-STD-MIB is implemented? --- tedRouterIdAddrType OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX InetAddressType MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION " This object indicates the TE-Router ID address type. Only values unknown(0), ipv4(1) or ipv6(2) must be supported. " Do you mean s/must be/are/ ? Similarly for tedLinkIdAddrType --- It's a small point, but I would have preferred you to rename tedRouterIdAddrType and tedRouterIdAddr as tedTeRouterIdAddrType and tedTeRouterIdAddr to distinguish them from the normal router ID. --- I don't understand what values should be returned for objects that only apply in some circumstances. For example, in a non-GMPLS system, what would be returned for tedLinkProtectionType? In either a non-GMPLS system or one with numbered links, what values would be returned for tedLocalId and tedRemoteId? What about tedSwCapIndication for non-TDM links? Section 6 says in these cases the objects are not supported, but I don't think it is that simple. Or is it? Even if it is that simple, I think the Description clauses should not the circumstances under which the object is not supported. (And yes, I do see the compliance statements which are very comprehensive, but I think they say what you have to support in specific circumstances, not how to behave if you support an object but have no information to return.) --- tedLocalIfAddrEntry OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX TedLocalIfAddrEntry MAX-ACCESS not-accessible STATUS current DESCRIPTION "This entry contains the IP address information of the local TE link." INDEX { tedLinkIndex, tedLocalIfAddr } ::= { tedLocalIfAddrTable 1 } TedLocalIfAddrEntry ::= SEQUENCE { tedLocalIfAddrType InetAddressType, tedLocalIfAddr InetAddress } What would it look like to walk this table by increasing index value? Would all the shorter v4 addresses show first, or would the numerically smaller v6 addresses get mixed in with the v4 addresses? If the latter is possible, you should use the address type as an index as well. --- A broader point about the use of addresses as indexes is found in RFC 4001 in the Description of the InetAddress TC... When this textual convention is used as the syntax of an index object, there may be issues with the limit of 128 sub-identifiers specified in SMIv2, STD 58. In this case, the object definition MUST include a 'SIZE' clause to limit the number of potential instance sub-identifiers; otherwise the applicable constraints MUST be stated in the appropriate conceptual row DESCRIPTION clauses, or in the surrounding documentation if there is no single DESCRIPTION clause that is appropriate." --- tedStatusChangeNotificationMaxRate and tedCreatedDeletedNotificationMaxRate I am surprised that the Defval for these is 0 (no throttling) since the text recognises that this is a risky situation that may cause the box to blow up. Surely the default should be some safe setting. But then I wondered what a suitable safe setting would be and realised it would be "No Notifications". Except there is no way to say this with these objects. What do you think? --- Would the Notifications be more helpful if they indicated the index of the entry in the tedTable to which they applied? --- For completeness, we usually get asked to state in the Security section what the risks are with write access objects. In this case it is really easy... There are only two write-access objects in this MIB module: tedStatusChangeNotificationMaxRate and tedCreatedDeletedNotificationMaxRate. Malicious modification of these objects could cause the management agent, the network, or the router to become overloaded with Notifications in cases of high churn within the network. From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Tue May 29 15:53:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3811621F86C6; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:53:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 87OD4OMOs7UH; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5354311E8170; Tue, 29 May 2012 15:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120529225311.30298.15051.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:53:11 -0700 Cc: ccamp mailing list , ccamp chair , RFC Editor Subject: [CCAMP] Document Action: 'Usage of The RSVP Association Object' to Informational RFC (draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info-03.txt) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 22:53:12 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Usage of The RSVP Association Object' (draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info-03.txt) as Informational RFC This document is the product of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adrian Farrel and Stewart Bryant. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info/ Technical Summary The RSVP ASSOCIATION object was defined in the context of GMPLS (Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching) controlled label switched paths (LSPs). In this context, the object is used to associate recovery LSPs with the LSP they are protecting. This document reviews how association is to be provided in the context of GMPLS recovery. No new procedures or mechanisms are defined by this document and it is strictly informative in nature. Working Group Summary Nothing in WG process worth noting. Document was a result of questions on proper interpretation of this object. Good support by the WG. Document Quality Not applicable for this Informational document. Personnel Deborah Brungard (db3546@att.com) is the Document Sphepherd. Adrian Farrel (adrian@olddog.co.uk) is the Responsible AD. RFC Editor Note Abstract s/RSVP/Resource Reservation Protocol (RSVP)/ Section 2.1 s/RSVP-TE/Resource Reservation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE)/ Section 2.1 OLD It is explicitly defined as having both general application and specific use within the context of recovery. End-to- end recovery usage is defined in [RFC4872] and is covered in Section 2.2. Segment recovery usage is defined in [RFC4873] and is covered in Section 2.3. Resource sharing LSP association is also defined in [RFC4873], while strictly speaking such association is beyond the scope of this document, for completeness it is covered in Section 2.4. NEW It is explicitly defined as having both general application and specific use within the context of recovery. End-to- end recovery usage is defined in [RFC4872] and is covered in Section 2.2 of this document. Segment recovery usage is defined in [RFC4873] and is covered in Section 2.3 of this document. Resource sharing LSP association is also defined in [RFC4873], while strictly speaking such association is beyond the scope of this document, for completeness it is covered in Section 2.4 of this document END Section 2.1 s/independent from/independently of/ Section 2.2 OLD - The LSP ID of the LSP protecting an LSP. NEW - The LSP ID of the protection LSP. END From jie.dong@huawei.com Tue May 29 20:08:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055A121F85A1 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:08:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pSveb3hFz7oY for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5DD21F85A0 for ; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AGJ72075; Tue, 29 May 2012 23:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:05:05 -0700 Received: from SZXEML425-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.72.61.33) by dfweml408-hub.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 29 May 2012 20:05:04 -0700 Received: from SZXEML504-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.141]) by szxeml425-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.72.61.33]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Wed, 30 May 2012 11:05:01 +0800 From: Jie Dong To: "Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich)" , CCAMP Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-00.txt Thread-Index: Ac0devPFmJ+MyYfATAG+vIsk0QOLtwAADOEACCF0ttA= Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 03:05:00 +0000 Message-ID: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927247CD069@szxeml504-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.4.69] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 03:08:38 -0000 Hi Cyril,=20 Here are some comments on this draft. 3rd paragraph of Sec 2.3 says that the new subobject with the R bit set or = cleared MUST be examined following the rules in RFC 5420. Since the LSP attributes in this subobject is explicitly sent to a specific= node addressed by the preceding ERO subobject, IMO the processing rules ma= y be slightly different from RFC 5420. For example, if the R bit is cleared= , and if the target node of the attribute does not recognize the attribute = TLV, the TLV will not be passed on unaltered to the downstream. Some clarif= ications in this part may be helpful. BTW, could you provide some use case in which this subobject is sent to a p= articular node with R bit cleared? Sec 2.3, 3rd paragraph,=20 s/ERO LSP attribute subject/ERO LSP attribute subobject Best regards, Jie > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Margaria, Cyril (NSN - DE/Munich) > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:57 PM > To: CCAMP > Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: > draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-00.txt >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > Following Lou directions we wrote a draft addressing a generic LSP > attribute subobject in the ERO. >=20 > Comments are welcome. >=20 > Best regards > Cyril >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce- > > bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext internet-drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:50 PM > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Subject: I-D Action: draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-00.txt > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > directories. > > > > Title : LSP Attribute in ERO > > Author(s) : Cyril Margaria > > Dirk Schroetter > > Giovanni Martinelli > > Filename : draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-00.txt > > Pages : 11 > > Date : 2012-04-18 > > > > LSP attributes can be specified or recorded for whole path, but > they > > cannot be specified as part of an Explicit Route Object (ERO). > This > > document extend the semantic for RSVP ERO object with a new > > subobject > > to carry LSP attributes. > > > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute- > > ero-00.txt > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute- > > ero-00.txt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > I-D-Announce mailing list > > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From elisa.bellagamba@ericsson.com Wed May 30 00:54:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64E121F86FD for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 00:54:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5G2U6DNw8I6e for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 00:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw7.ericsson.se (mailgw7.ericsson.se [193.180.251.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48A821F86FC for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 00:54:30 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-b7f606d0000002be-3e-4fc5d2350be3 Received: from esessmw0247.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw7.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id D4.62.00702.532D5CF4; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:54:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.83]) by esessmw0247.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.93]) with mapi; Wed, 30 May 2012 09:54:25 +0200 From: Elisa Bellagamba To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:54:24 +0200 Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Thread-Index: Ac01Kf9E9ZM6Ls0mS/ydzrhzxb+O1QJD1vRg Message-ID: <666A6B6D38439F49A7FB8E0FE839CA06314FD7C7A3@ESESSCMS0365.eemea.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrGLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvra7ppaP+BocfGFnM+qZp8WTODRaL y13d7Bazr39nc2DxeNk/h9FjyZKfTB5fLn9mC2CO4rJJSc3JLEst0rdL4Mo42XiesaCZr2L6 ui1MDYzHuLsYOTkkBEwk7nRPY4ewxSQu3FvPBmILCZxilGj6ad7FyAVkL2CU+LdzG1ARBweb gJnEukXlIHERgdmMEr8uTGYCaWAWiJNYd6QVbBCLgKrE9xXLmEFsYQEniYm/f4DViAg4S/w5 dIoNwjaSuLBrAZjNKxAu0Tqzlx1icbhE24t2FhCbUyBC4tfH52C9jEDHfT+1BmqXuMStJ/OZ II4WkFiy5zwzhC0q8fLxP1aIelGJO+3rGSHqdSQW7P7EBmFrSyxb+JoZYq+gxMmZT1gmMIrN QjJ2FpKWWUhaZiFpWcDIsopRODcxMye93FwvtSgzubg4P0+vOHUTIzCuDm75bbCDcdN9sUOM 0hwsSuK8eqr7/YUE0hNLUrNTUwtSi+KLSnNSiw8xMnFwSjUwJk0NkjD8V9FRVL1YRt3KZvVN vT2X3D+bPuvZc2rjnjdzgovepl1znOm3NqotU/rHN5c9UfzHm5Z6M+j8LhCWOfB2BXPyErGp s/tmht3du+e8zwP1t49XFh3dqPt2T+yPA4Y5NVkzt/dlHkjqYQhUnbWPu1b37IojXGkKoQE3 Zpu/Of+G639xiRJLcUaioRZzUXEiAEKAfGh5AgAA Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 07:54:31 -0000 Hi Deborah,=20 I'm not aware of any other IPR in addition to the one Attila mentioned. Thanks, Elisa=20 -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of B= RUNGARD, DEBORAH A Sent: den 18 maj 2012 21:11 To: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; ccamp-ads@tools.ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) In preparation of this document for Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-e= xt? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please answer the ab= ove by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware = of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until= a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. 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Thank you, CCAMP WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your respons= e. _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From ma-miyazawa@kddilabs.jp Wed May 30 05:59:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E735721F85BE for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 05:59:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t5DtLXlL+mO2 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 05:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp (mandala.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:12::16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D9A21F8573 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 05:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E097C1748225; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:59:07 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddilabs.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c5JQ-MEe2adt; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:59:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (yellow.lan.kddilabs.jp [172.19.98.10]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8921748222; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:59:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from miyazawaVAIO (unknown [172.19.64.90]) by mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E047C1E0002; Wed, 30 May 2012 21:59:06 +0900 (JST) From: "Masanori Miyazawa" To: , References: <0b7101cd3de9$8bfadbc0$a3f09340$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0b7101cd3de9$8bfadbc0$a3f09340$@olddog.co.uk> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 21:59:03 +0900 Message-ID: <006301cd3e63$fd362180$f7a26480$@kddilabs.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHQW7vPShMYMTWtVF3+Petz8y8AvpbcB3EA Content-Language: ja Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 12:59:10 -0000 Hi, Adrian Thank you for reviewing the draft. We will check and answer your comments shortly. When we want to modify the draft based on your comments, how should we update it? We should post revised document as latest version (version 14)? With Best Regards, Masanori > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:23 AM > To: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib.all@tools.ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib > > Hi, > > I have carried out my normal AD review of your draft. There is no cause > for alarm! > > This looks to be a sound document, but as always with MIB modules it is > possible to find a number of nits and questions. I would appreciate a > revision of the document before we move it forward so that it will get > a smoother ride through the rest of the process. I will put the document > into "Revised ID needed" state in the tracker. > > As always, all issues and questions are open for discussion. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > --- > > Per idnits, please change the header > OLD > Intended status: Standards Truck > NEW > Intended status: Proposed Standard > END > > --- > > I am not comfortable with the two definitions > OAM: Operations and Management > OA&M: Operations, Administration and Maintenance. > This is counter to RFC 6291which, although only guidelines, should be > followed unless there is a good reason. That RFC has... > o O&M - OAM and Management > o OAM - Operations, Administration, and Maintenance Fortunately > neither term is used in your document, and so they can be deleted. > > --- > > There are some acronyms in 3.3 that are not used in the rest of the > document: FSC, LDP, LSC, LSR, OAM, OA&M, RSVP, > > --- > > Could you please sort out "MIB" versus "MIB module". There is only one > MIB. There are many MIB modules - this document defines a MIB module. > > --- > > Section 6 is missing a close brace "}" for tedTable > > --- > > The copyright date in the MODULE-IDENTITY is 2011. > > --- > > You need to avoid using citations (e.g. [RFC3630]) within the MIB module > itself. MIB modules are extracted from their documents and stand alone. > > --- > > The DESCRIPTION for the tedTable is > "This table indicates multiple TED information which has been > supported by [RFC3630]." > > This seems to imply this doesn't apply to ISIS. Maybe update the text? > > Similarly, a number of objects only give references to OSPF or OSPF-TE. > Not referencing the corresponding IS-IS specs looks like the object only > has meaning for OSPF. > > --- > > tedEntry OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX TedEntry > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "This entry contains TED information commonly utilized in both > MPLS and GMPLS." > INDEX { tedLocalRouterId, tedRemoteRouterId, > tedLinkInformationSource, tedLinkIndex } > ::= { tedTable 1 } > > TedEntry ::= SEQUENCE { > tedLinkInformationSource INTEGER, > tedLocalRouterId TedRouterIdTC, > tedRemoteRouterId TedRouterIdTC, > tedLinkIndex TedLinkIndexTC, > > It is unusual to list the index fields in a different order from that > which they appear in the table entry. Is this intended? > > --- > > Tom's surname is misspelled in several of the references! > > --- > > I'm having some trouble with the use of 2119 language in the Description > for tedLinkInformationData. > > Two examples... > > If tedLinkInformationSource has the value unknown(0), this > object SHOULD contain a value of zeroDotZero. > > Under what circumstances can this use of "SHOULD" be varied? > > If tedLinkInformationSource has the value > locallyConfigured(1), this object MAY contain the identifier of > the corresponding row entry in the teLinkTable of TE-LINK-STD- > MIB[RFC4220], the identifier of the corresponding row in a local > proprietary TE link MIB module, or the value of zeroDotZero > otherwise. > > The use of "MAY" here implies that an implementation can choose to fill > in the row pointer if it likes, but this is entirely an implementation > choice. Is this what you are saying, or do you want to constrain the > behavior more forcefully if TE-LINK-STD-MIB is implemented? > > --- > > tedRouterIdAddrType OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX InetAddressType > MAX-ACCESS read-only > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > " This object indicates the TE-Router ID address type. Only > values unknown(0), ipv4(1) or ipv6(2) must be supported. " > > Do you mean s/must be/are/ ? > > Similarly for tedLinkIdAddrType > > --- > > It's a small point, but I would have preferred you to rename > tedRouterIdAddrType and tedRouterIdAddr as tedTeRouterIdAddrType and > tedTeRouterIdAddr to distinguish them from the normal router ID. > > --- > > I don't understand what values should be returned for objects that only > apply in some circumstances. For example, in a non-GMPLS system, what > would be returned for tedLinkProtectionType? In either a non-GMPLS system > or one with numbered links, what values would be returned for tedLocalId > and tedRemoteId? What about tedSwCapIndication for non-TDM links? > > Section 6 says in these cases the objects are not supported, but I don't > think it is that simple. Or is it? > > Even if it is that simple, I think the Description clauses should not > the circumstances under which the object is not supported. > > (And yes, I do see the compliance statements which are very comprehensive, > but I think they say what you have to support in specific circumstances, > not how to behave if you support an object but have no information to > return.) > > --- > > tedLocalIfAddrEntry OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX TedLocalIfAddrEntry > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "This entry contains the IP address information of the local > TE > link." > INDEX { tedLinkIndex, tedLocalIfAddr } > ::= { tedLocalIfAddrTable 1 } > > TedLocalIfAddrEntry ::= SEQUENCE { > tedLocalIfAddrType InetAddressType, > tedLocalIfAddr InetAddress > > } > > What would it look like to walk this table by increasing index value? > Would all the shorter v4 addresses show first, or would the numerically > smaller v6 addresses get mixed in with the v4 addresses? > > If the latter is possible, you should use the address type as an index > as well. > > --- > > A broader point about the use of addresses as indexes is found in RFC > 4001 in the Description of the InetAddress TC... > > When this textual convention is used as the syntax of an > index object, there may be issues with the limit of 128 > sub-identifiers specified in SMIv2, STD 58. In this case, > the object definition MUST include a 'SIZE' clause to > limit the number of potential instance sub-identifiers; > otherwise the applicable constraints MUST be stated in > the appropriate conceptual row DESCRIPTION clauses, or > in the surrounding documentation if there is no single > DESCRIPTION clause that is appropriate." > > --- > > tedStatusChangeNotificationMaxRate and > tedCreatedDeletedNotificationMaxRate > > I am surprised that the Defval for these is 0 (no throttling) since the > text recognises that this is a risky situation that may cause the box > to blow up. Surely the default should be some safe setting. > > But then I wondered what a suitable safe setting would be and realised > it would be "No Notifications". Except there is no way to say this with > these objects. > > What do you think? > > --- > > Would the Notifications be more helpful if they indicated the index of > the entry in the tedTable to which they applied? > > --- > > For completeness, we usually get asked to state in the Security section > what the risks are with write access objects. In this case it is really > easy... > > There are only two write-access objects in this MIB module: > tedStatusChangeNotificationMaxRate and > tedCreatedDeletedNotificationMaxRate. Malicious modification of > these objects could cause the management agent, the network, or the > router to become overloaded with Notifications in cases of high > churn within the network. From adrian@olddog.co.uk Wed May 30 06:07:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CDC21F86DE for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 06:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.053 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.053 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yw0Vzfc9x7-M for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1118721F86C1 for ; Wed, 30 May 2012 06:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4UD7kI2008002; Wed, 30 May 2012 14:07:46 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q4UD7gLL007937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 30 May 2012 14:07:45 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Masanori Miyazawa'" , References: <0b7101cd3de9$8bfadbc0$a3f09340$@olddog.co.uk> <006301cd3e63$fd362180$f7a26480$@kddilabs.jp> In-Reply-To: <006301cd3e63$fd362180$f7a26480$@kddilabs.jp> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:07:40 +0100 Message-ID: <0c7a01cd3e65$338b5240$9aa1f6c0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHQW7vPShMYMTWtVF3+Petz8y8AvgLiYJVqlsT+3gA= Content-Language: en-gb Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 13:07:49 -0000 Yes, please. If changes are needed after looking at my comments and discussing them, then please post a new revision. Cheers, Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: Masanori Miyazawa [mailto:ma-miyazawa@kddilabs.jp] > Sent: 30 May 2012 13:59 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib.all@tools.ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: RE: AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib > > Hi, Adrian > > Thank you for reviewing the draft. > > We will check and answer your comments shortly. > When we want to modify the draft based on your comments, how should we > update it? We should post revised document as latest version (version 14)? > > With Best Regards, > Masanori > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:23 AM > > To: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib.all@tools.ietf.org > > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > > Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib > > > > Hi, > > > > I have carried out my normal AD review of your draft. There is no cause > > for alarm! > > > > This looks to be a sound document, but as always with MIB modules it is > > possible to find a number of nits and questions. I would appreciate a > > revision of the document before we move it forward so that it will get > > a smoother ride through the rest of the process. I will put the document > > into "Revised ID needed" state in the tracker. > > > > As always, all issues and questions are open for discussion. > > > > Thanks, > > Adrian > > > > --- > > > > Per idnits, please change the header > > OLD > > Intended status: Standards Truck > > NEW > > Intended status: Proposed Standard > > END > > > > --- > > > > I am not comfortable with the two definitions > > OAM: Operations and Management > > OA&M: Operations, Administration and Maintenance. > > This is counter to RFC 6291which, although only guidelines, should be > > followed unless there is a good reason. That RFC has... > > o O&M - OAM and Management > > o OAM - Operations, Administration, and Maintenance Fortunately > > neither term is used in your document, and so they can be deleted. > > > > --- > > > > There are some acronyms in 3.3 that are not used in the rest of the > > document: FSC, LDP, LSC, LSR, OAM, OA&M, RSVP, > > > > --- > > > > Could you please sort out "MIB" versus "MIB module". There is only one > > MIB. There are many MIB modules - this document defines a MIB module. > > > > --- > > > > Section 6 is missing a close brace "}" for tedTable > > > > --- > > > > The copyright date in the MODULE-IDENTITY is 2011. > > > > --- > > > > You need to avoid using citations (e.g. [RFC3630]) within the MIB module > > itself. MIB modules are extracted from their documents and stand alone. > > > > --- > > > > The DESCRIPTION for the tedTable is > > "This table indicates multiple TED information which has been > > supported by [RFC3630]." > > > > This seems to imply this doesn't apply to ISIS. Maybe update the text? > > > > Similarly, a number of objects only give references to OSPF or OSPF-TE. > > Not referencing the corresponding IS-IS specs looks like the object only > > has meaning for OSPF. > > > > --- > > > > tedEntry OBJECT-TYPE > > SYNTAX TedEntry > > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > > STATUS current > > DESCRIPTION > > "This entry contains TED information commonly utilized in both > > MPLS and GMPLS." > > INDEX { tedLocalRouterId, tedRemoteRouterId, > > tedLinkInformationSource, tedLinkIndex } > > ::= { tedTable 1 } > > > > TedEntry ::= SEQUENCE { > > tedLinkInformationSource INTEGER, > > tedLocalRouterId TedRouterIdTC, > > tedRemoteRouterId TedRouterIdTC, > > tedLinkIndex TedLinkIndexTC, > > > > It is unusual to list the index fields in a different order from that > > which they appear in the table entry. Is this intended? > > > > --- > > > > Tom's surname is misspelled in several of the references! > > > > --- > > > > I'm having some trouble with the use of 2119 language in the Description > > for tedLinkInformationData. > > > > Two examples... > > > > If tedLinkInformationSource has the value unknown(0), this > > object SHOULD contain a value of zeroDotZero. > > > > Under what circumstances can this use of "SHOULD" be varied? > > > > If tedLinkInformationSource has the value > > locallyConfigured(1), this object MAY contain the identifier of > > the corresponding row entry in the teLinkTable of TE-LINK-STD- > > MIB[RFC4220], the identifier of the corresponding row in a local > > proprietary TE link MIB module, or the value of zeroDotZero > > otherwise. > > > > The use of "MAY" here implies that an implementation can choose to fill > > in the row pointer if it likes, but this is entirely an implementation > > choice. Is this what you are saying, or do you want to constrain the > > behavior more forcefully if TE-LINK-STD-MIB is implemented? > > > > --- > > > > tedRouterIdAddrType OBJECT-TYPE > > SYNTAX InetAddressType > > MAX-ACCESS read-only > > STATUS current > > DESCRIPTION > > " This object indicates the TE-Router ID address type. Only > > values unknown(0), ipv4(1) or ipv6(2) must be supported. " > > > > Do you mean s/must be/are/ ? > > > > Similarly for tedLinkIdAddrType > > > > --- > > > > It's a small point, but I would have preferred you to rename > > tedRouterIdAddrType and tedRouterIdAddr as tedTeRouterIdAddrType and > > tedTeRouterIdAddr to distinguish them from the normal router ID. > > > > --- > > > > I don't understand what values should be returned for objects that only > > apply in some circumstances. For example, in a non-GMPLS system, what > > would be returned for tedLinkProtectionType? In either a non-GMPLS system > > or one with numbered links, what values would be returned for tedLocalId > > and tedRemoteId? What about tedSwCapIndication for non-TDM links? > > > > Section 6 says in these cases the objects are not supported, but I don't > > think it is that simple. Or is it? > > > > Even if it is that simple, I think the Description clauses should not > > the circumstances under which the object is not supported. > > > > (And yes, I do see the compliance statements which are very comprehensive, > > but I think they say what you have to support in specific circumstances, > > not how to behave if you support an object but have no information to > > return.) > > > > --- > > > > tedLocalIfAddrEntry OBJECT-TYPE > > SYNTAX TedLocalIfAddrEntry > > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > > STATUS current > > DESCRIPTION > > "This entry contains the IP address information of the local > > TE > > link." > > INDEX { tedLinkIndex, tedLocalIfAddr } > > ::= { tedLocalIfAddrTable 1 } > > > > TedLocalIfAddrEntry ::= SEQUENCE { > > tedLocalIfAddrType InetAddressType, > > tedLocalIfAddr InetAddress > > > > } > > > > What would it look like to walk this table by increasing index value? > > Would all the shorter v4 addresses show first, or would the numerically > > smaller v6 addresses get mixed in with the v4 addresses? > > > > If the latter is possible, you should use the address type as an index > > as well. > > > > --- > > > > A broader point about the use of addresses as indexes is found in RFC > > 4001 in the Description of the InetAddress TC... > > > > When this textual convention is used as the syntax of an > > index object, there may be issues with the limit of 128 > > sub-identifiers specified in SMIv2, STD 58. In this case, > > the object definition MUST include a 'SIZE' clause to > > limit the number of potential instance sub-identifiers; > > otherwise the applicable constraints MUST be stated in > > the appropriate conceptual row DESCRIPTION clauses, or > > in the surrounding documentation if there is no single > > DESCRIPTION clause that is appropriate." > > > > --- > > > > tedStatusChangeNotificationMaxRate and > > tedCreatedDeletedNotificationMaxRate > > > > I am surprised that the Defval for these is 0 (no throttling) since the > > text recognises that this is a risky situation that may cause the box > > to blow up. Surely the default should be some safe setting. > > > > But then I wondered what a suitable safe setting would be and realised > > it would be "No Notifications". Except there is no way to say this with > > these objects. > > > > What do you think? > > > > --- > > > > Would the Notifications be more helpful if they indicated the index of > > the entry in the tedTable to which they applied? > > > > --- > > > > For completeness, we usually get asked to state in the Security section > > what the risks are with write access objects. In this case it is really > > easy... > > > > There are only two write-access objects in this MIB module: > > tedStatusChangeNotificationMaxRate and > > tedCreatedDeletedNotificationMaxRate. Malicious modification of > > these objects could cause the management agent, the network, or the > > router to become overloaded with Notifications in cases of high > > churn within the network. From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed May 30 23:31:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E765611E80EF; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:31:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mBqPCvo8pWH0; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5C811E8093; Wed, 30 May 2012 23:31:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.02 Message-ID: <20120531063124.14340.31386.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:31:24 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-07.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:31:25 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane = Working Group of the IETF. Title : Framework for GMPLS and PCE Control of G.709 Optical Tra= nsport Networks Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Dan Li Han Li Sergio Belotti Daniele Ceccarelli Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-07.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2012-05-30 This document provides a framework to allow the development of protocol extensions to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) and Path Computation Element (PCE) control of Optical Transport Networks (OTN) as specified in ITU-T Recommendation G.709 as consented in October 2009. 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