From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Mon Jul 2 02:18:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029B021F88B1 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 02:18:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.248 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.248 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kg4FxzGK0pHt for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 02:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw2.ericsson.se (mailgw2.ericsson.se [193.180.251.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C277A21F880B for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 02:18:28 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-b7fc16d000005db2-9d-4ff16768d97f Received: from esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw2.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 24.27.23986.86761FF4; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:18:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0360.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.44]) by esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.90]) with mapi; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:18:32 +0200 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: CCAMP Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:18:31 +0200 Thread-Topic: CCAMP Agenda Requests for IETF 84 Thread-Index: Ac1YM6W3D0SnceNcSmO52021LA/slw== Message-ID: Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: it-IT, en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA22ACB6DC03ESESSCMS0360e_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrBLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+JvrW5G+kd/g0UnVSyezLnBYtH0di+L xeWubnaLjua3LA4sHi/75zB6LFnyk8njw6ZmNo8Vm1cyBrBEcdmkpOZklqUW6dslcGXMP/aV qeCtasW9xSUNjOcVuhg5OSQETCRu/33EAmGLSVy4t54NxBYSOMUosf0vkM0FZM9nlJiwdweQ w8HBJmAl8eSQD0iNiICUxM19t9hBbGaBComee+dZQEpYBFQk/l40BQkLC2hJLDp5ghGiXF9i Yst/dpASEQE9iVPT3EDCvALhEi0HLoNdwCggKzFh9yJGiIniEreezGeCuExAYsme88wQtqjE y8f/WCHqZSR+bfrGClGfL3Hv4XJmiJmCEidnPmGZwCg8C8moWUjKZiEpg4jrSCzY/YkNwtaW WLbwNTOMfebAYyZk8QWM7KsYhXMTM3PSy430Uosyk4uL8/P0ilM3MQJj6+CW36o7GO+cEznE KM3BoiTOa711j7+QQHpiSWp2ampBalF8UWlOavEhRiYOTqkGRonM7xM2iq2S79w0UfiCXo55 wtT2CKZT2e5Z9msyyi4bV0wRF5SRnHFEdPkxma029euytv3s9n2wWGGv7VqPympf/gsnpFVe ZmVzz5kV0DspouRWi0ys2pvcnJVnF2okWRnzcHl1Ch503Vyqv/RBr5rU/3WBpdLvttisUisS +1fJtHFVsp2mEktxRqKhFnNRcSIAD1dreXsCAAA= Subject: [CCAMP] CCAMP Agenda Requests for IETF 84 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:18:30 -0000 --_000_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA22ACB6DC03ESESSCMS0360e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, - Agenda Requests - Please send Dan and me (CC'ing the chairs) your requests for time on the wo= rking group agenda. Please let us have your requests by Friday, July 13th. - Presentations - If you are presenting slides please make sure you send them to us (CC'ing the chairs) by Friday, July 27th. - Key cut-off dates - These are located at: http://www.ietf.org/meeting/cutoff-dates-2012.html#IETF84 2012-07-09 (Monday): Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document (-00) 2012-07-16 (Monday): Internet Draft final submission (>00) - Draft Agenda - (subject to change - final agenda to be posted on 2012-07-= 06) http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.txt Br, Dan & Daniele =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D DANIELE CECCARELLI System & Technology - PDU Optical & Metro Via L.Calda, 5 Genova, Italy Phone +390106002512 Mobile +393346725750 daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com www.ericsson.com This Communication is Confidential. We only send and receive email on the b= asis of the term set out at www.ericsson.com/email_disclaimer --_000_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA22ACB6DC03ESESSCMS0360e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,

- Agenda Requests -
Please send Dan and me (CC'ing the chairs) your requests for time on the wo= rking
group agenda. Please let us have your requests by Friday, July 13th.

- Presentations -
If you are presenting slides please make sure you send them to us (CC'ing the chairs) by Friday, July 27th.

- Key cut-off dates -
These are located at:
http://www.ietf.org/meeting/cutoff-dates-2012.html#IE= TF84

2012-07-09 (Monday): Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document (-00)
2012-07-16 (Monday): Internet Draft final submission (>00)

- Draft Agenda - (subject to change - final agenda to be posted on 2012-07-= 06)
http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.txt

Br,
Dan & Daniele
 


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 --_000_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA22ACB6DC03ESESSCMS0360e_-- From giomarti@cisco.com Thu Jul 5 03:18:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBE521F85EF for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 03:18:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.461 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.461 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.137, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Po3bkXzC88lS for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 03:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-4.cisco.com (ams-iport-4.cisco.com [144.254.224.147]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270E221F85AD for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 03:18:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=giomarti@cisco.com; l=10569; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1341483540; x=1342693140; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject; bh=nbJKmrZmy6P8RTduFb04VvtibXPI+4BNInUzvx/9SNg=; b=bC2I+4eNUyAwhhWqwQMsbO2vPNVsptn+XHZot8OLjwBByo78NShjtHn8 LKGiZDgsb2C5krzhTDI/jZQfhDaPxluBTF7g9+xK7dk79Dx0grmCPfTj7 u8e+Xwwv1E3xuIFOVlDjLOuGXVuG+KUoZ05R0ueCVas1/degmk1lhlq/P E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIFAL9p9U+Q/khM/2dsb2JhbABFs02DWIEHgjEBZT0WGAMCAQIBDT4NCAEBHodpmHWBKJ90kXcDjQyIK44dgWaCYQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,528,1336348800"; d="scan'208,217";a="6431436" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2012 10:18:59 +0000 Received: from mnza1-dhcp-vl301-144-254-166-79.cisco.com (mnza1-dhcp-vl301-144-254-166-79.cisco.com [144.254.166.79]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q65AIxDn014633 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 10:18:59 GMT Message-ID: <4FF56A14.1040307@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 12:19:00 +0200 From: Giovanni MARTINELLI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010408060906010608080602" Subject: [CCAMP] Optical interface class: proposed changes draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-14 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 10:18:48 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010408060906010608080602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear ccamp, Here the proposed encoding changes for wson-encode according to optical interface class (draft-martinelli-wson-interface-class-02). This changes goes together with already proposed changes on draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info. All changes are in section 5 " Resource Properties Encoding". Change #1) In section 5.1. Resource Block Information Sub-TLV OLD: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | RB Set Field | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |I|E| Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Modulation Type List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | FEC Type List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Input Client Signal Type Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Input Bit Rate Range List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Processing Capabilities List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ NEW: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | RB Set Field | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |I|E| Reserved | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Optical Interface Class List(s) Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Input Client Signal Type Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Processing Capabilities List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt) | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Change #2 OLD: Section 5.2, Section 5.3, Section 5.4 NEW: Section 5.2 "Optical Interface Class List(s) Sub-Sub-TLV" The list of Optical Interface Class sub-sub-TLV has the following format: +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type | Length | Reserved |I|E| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Optical Interface Classes | : : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ The following I and E combination are defined: I E 0 0 Invalid 1 0 Optical Interface Class List acceptable in input 0 1 Optical Interface Class List available in output 1 1 Optical Interface Class List available on both input and output. The Resource Block MAY contain one or more lists according to input/output flags. The Optical Interface Class format is defined within [x-ref-tbd]. --- With one note: type/length over 16 bits is just a proposal since the tlv is used only in wson. Trivial modification to 32 bits if we prefer. Cheers G --------------010408060906010608080602 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear ccamp,

Here the proposed encoding changes for wson-encode according to optical interface class (draft-martinelli-wson-interface-class-02). This changes goes together with already proposed changes on draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info. All changes are in  section 5 " Resource Properties Encoding".


Change #1) In section 5.1. Resource Block Information Sub-TLV


OLD:
       0                   1                   2                   3
       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |                     RB Set Field                              |
      :                                                               :
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |I|E|                         Reserved                          |
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |                 Modulation Type List Sub-Sub-TLV  (opt)       |
      :                                                               :
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |                 FEC Type List Sub-Sub-TLV    (opt)            |
      :                                                               :
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |         Input Client Signal Type Sub-Sub-TLV      (opt)       |
      :                                                               :
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |         Input Bit Rate Range List  Sub-Sub-TLV (opt)          |
      :                                                               :
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |         Processing Capabilities List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt)        |
      :                                                               :
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

NEW:
       0                   1                   2                   3
       0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |                     RB Set Field                              |
      :                                                               :
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |I|E|                         Reserved                          |
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |       Optical Interface Class List(s) Sub-Sub-TLV  (opt)      |
      :                                                               :
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |         Input Client Signal Type Sub-Sub-TLV      (opt)       |
      :                                                               :
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |         Processing Capabilities List Sub-Sub-TLV (opt)        |
      :                                                               :
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+




Change #2

OLD:
Section 5.2, Section 5.3, Section 5.4

NEW:

Section 5.2 "Optical Interface Class List(s) Sub-Sub-TLV"

The list of Optical Interface Class sub-sub-TLV  has the following format:

      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |       Type    |    Length     |       Reserved            |I|E|   
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
      |       Optical Interface Classes                               |
      :                                                               :
      +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

The following I and E combination are defined:
I    E
0   0   Invalid
1   0   Optical Interface Class List acceptable in input
0   1   Optical Interface Class List available in output
1   1   Optical Interface Class List available on both input and output.
 
The Resource Block  MAY contain one or more lists according to input/output flags. The Optical Interface Class format is defined within [x-ref-tbd].


---

With one note: type/length over 16 bits is just a proposal since the tlv is used only in wson. Trivial modification to 32 bits if we prefer.

Cheers
G

--------------010408060906010608080602-- From lberger@labn.net Thu Jul 5 05:01:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F8721F86A2 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 05:01:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.39 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.39 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.771, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ACkP7iFlxvDj for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 05:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 59EA121F86A1 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 05:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20899 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2012 12:01:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2012 12:01:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=3BJ99Be38DTGbjE94CVCnOr8W54qRDYUOT5I7x+njKo=; b=J276vjAR9Q8h0jUxKtS02qqKTbxIfCAV3RKgtY6scG/VYBXo7q0iF/USSPKy0dFjmwi902lx55q9wOlvblB5rhvcG9QHYqdTpH800x0mR62z6cljEqsHrDRSQXx7vyVO; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:39801 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Smkks-0000X3-4f for ccamp@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 06:01:54 -0600 Message-ID: <4FF58233.1080005@labn.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:01:55 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-berger-ccamp-swcaps-update-02.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 12:01:44 -0000 All, We have removed the ITH (old ILH) field from this draft as it seemed to us that the general sw caps changes (deprecating PSC2->4, revising definition of SW caps/type) reflected general WG agreement while ITH was too immature to have the same level of support. Lou (as co-author) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D Action: draft-berger-ccamp-swcaps-update-02.txt Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:22:12 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Revised Definition of The GMPLS Switching Capability and Type Fields Author(s) : Lou Berger Julien Meuric Filename : draft-berger-ccamp-swcaps-update-02.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2012-07-04 Abstract: GMPLS provides control for multiple switching technologies, and hierarchical switching within a technology. GMPLS routing and signaling use common values to indicate switching technology type. These values are carried in routing in the Switching Capability field, and in signaling in the Switching Type field. While the values using in these fields are the primary indicators of the technology and hierarchy level being controlled, the values are not consistently defined and used across the different technologies supported by GMPLS. This document is intended to resolve the inconsistent definition and use of the Switching Capability and Type fields by narrowly scoping the meaning and use of the fields. This document updates any document that uses the GMPLS Switching Capability and Types fields, in particular RFC 3471, RFC 4202, RFC 4203, and RFC 5307. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-berger-ccamp-swcaps-update There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-berger-ccamp-swcaps-update-02 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-berger-ccamp-swcaps-update-02 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From giomarti@cisco.com Thu Jul 5 05:06:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CFD21F86A1 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 05:06:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.462 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.462 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.684, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, SARE_SUB_ENC_UTF8=0.152] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TV9kgEZROBJU for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 05:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C0D21F86BA for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 05:06:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=giomarti@cisco.com; l=15462; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1341490001; x=1342699601; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject:references: in-reply-to; bh=9M05GJI1LldFgdMfsOsufdc8UenAwQ+yIXnlLBlpclU=; b=T3hsXrDrCzw0vcEm9oy5iY9+me2RVr2PWNkDEHjSVXqpJ7bmhvSgnd+1 77opcUyNKea+9ydBrW1HBYuNBcobmXn5v7xEiJEKBN4EqL66Ux6qN6xp4 8GfVYIyqGzteIpHi1x/t/LLiio+WCVQRQaF94nQuvHBs7u4nS2kr990VN o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFAIiC9U+Q/khL/2dsb2JhbABCA4JIgxexRYEHghgBAQEDAQEBAQ8BEApBCgYLCQIYCRYLAgIJAwIBAgENCCUCCRMGAgEBFweHZAULmg6NGZJSBIs5ChCDA4IPgRIDjQyIK44dgWaCYYFd X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,530,1336348800"; d="scan'208,217";a="75091618" Received: from ams-core-2.cisco.com ([144.254.72.75]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2012 12:06:40 +0000 Received: from mnza1-dhcp-vl301-144-254-166-79.cisco.com (mnza1-dhcp-vl301-144-254-166-79.cisco.com [144.254.166.79]) by ams-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q65C6eIY024108 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 12:06:40 GMT Message-ID: <4FF58352.8030102@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 14:06:42 +0200 From: Giovanni MARTINELLI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp@ietf.org References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1720CB5A47@dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com> <4FE2358E.5050809@cisco.com> <4FE89453.8090103@cisco.com> <4FEDEB12.5060105@grotto-networking.com> In-Reply-To: <4FEDEB12.5060105@grotto-networking.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080909080003090708050008" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiDnrZTlpI06ICBGVzogIE9wdGljYWwgaW50?= =?utf-8?q?_class=2C_changes_to_draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-14?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 12:06:30 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080909080003090708050008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Greg, pls see my other mail for proposed encoding changes. I'll try to clarify your doubts here below On 6/29/12 19:51 , Greg Bernstein wrote: > Hi Giovanni, I'm still not sure what problem you are trying to solve. the problem is "signal compatibility", I'm sure you know already all ccamp references for this. The current solution in ccamp drafts list explicitly all parameters required today to assess the compatibility and has two main drawbacks: 1. Explicit values taken by parameters are (very) technology dependents. 2. The list of parameters is per-defined and works today, we are not granted for future technology evolution (e.g. flexspectrum already knocking at the doors, other technology evolutions? ). I'll further clarify below but let me remind an analogy: SRLGs defines what they should represent and the field format (e.g. 32 bits, etc.), hey do not defines specific bit encoding (within those 32 bits) or partitioning you may use. To some extent, the Optical Interface Class mimic this idea. Or if you want a programmer analogy, the Optical Interface Class is like a pointer. Instead of carry around explicit structures you move only pointers (reference to). > Can you give us a specific example within the context of > non-impairment WSON. Then we can work to see if anything needs to be > changed in the existing documents. The current information within the > WSON documents has been thoroughly reviewed. We can't remove > information and replace it with less specific information from the > compatibility perspective. If you need additional information added > for your application, please furnish an example. > a) FEC values can be encoded according to section 5.3 of draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode and there are 10 values defined for FecID b) Modulation formats encoded according to section 5.2, only 5 values defined. - what if another FecID (e.g. =11) or an additional Modulation ID (e.g. = 6) is required (i.e. standardized) ? What the impacts on all protocol extensions using this encoding? - Is there any cross compatibility among differend FecID and ModulationID? It will never happen in the future? If you turn this in Optical Interface Classes, you may want to follow the example on draft-martinelli-wson-interface-class-02 section 3.2 The Optical Interface Class does not simplify the problem as a whole but it will simplify wson protocol extensions. In addition the OIC concept is fully compatible with the ITU application code, we spent time discussing this but ITU application code is one instance (!) of the optical interface class. Hope this helps Cheer G > If changes are needed we will incorporate them, as we have done in the > past. > > Best Regards > Greg B. > On 6/28/2012 1:44 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >> >> Hi Giovanni, >> >> >> >> >> [GM] In current draft the only requirement to assess the signal >> compatibility is that two interface having the same OIC value are >> compatible. So WSON protocols does not need to explicitly list >> optical parameters and their value. We can probably provide some >> examples in an appendix about how you can map them but the OIC >> concept per se does not depend on this. >> >> [Fatai] How magic the OIC is. I really want to see how this magic >> would happen if there is no need to list optical parameters and their >> value. >> >> >> Cheers >> G >> >> Thanks >> >> Fatai >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > -- > =================================================== > Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 > > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --------------080909080003090708050008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Greg,

pls see my other mail for proposed encoding changes. I'll try to clarify your doubts here below


On 6/29/12 19:51 , Greg Bernstein wrote:
Hi Giovanni, I'm still not sure what problem you are trying to solve. 


the problem is "signal compatibility", I'm sure you know already all ccamp references for this.

The current solution in ccamp drafts list explicitly all parameters required today to assess the compatibility and has two main drawbacks:
1. Explicit values taken by parameters are (very) technology dependents.
2. The list of parameters is per-defined and works today, we are not granted for future technology evolution (e.g. flexspectrum already knocking at the doors,  other technology evolutions? ).

I'll further clarify below but let me remind an analogy: SRLGs defines what they should represent and the field format (e.g. 32 bits, etc.), hey do not defines specific bit encoding (within those 32 bits) or partitioning you may use. To some extent, the Optical Interface Class mimic this idea.

Or if you want a programmer analogy, the Optical Interface Class is like a pointer. Instead of carry around explicit structures you move only pointers (reference to).



Can you give us a specific example within the context of non-impairment WSON. Then we can work to see if anything needs to be changed in the existing documents. The current information within the WSON documents has been thoroughly reviewed. We can't remove information and replace it with less specific information from the compatibility perspective.  If you need additional information added for your application, please furnish an example.



a) FEC values can be encoded according to section 5.3 of draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode and there are 10 values defined for FecID
b) Modulation formats encoded according to section 5.2, only 5 values defined.

- what if another FecID (e.g. =11) or an additional Modulation ID (e.g. = 6) is required (i.e. standardized) ? What the impacts on all protocol extensions using  this encoding?
- Is there any cross compatibility among differend FecID and ModulationID? It will never happen in the future?

If you turn this in Optical Interface Classes, you may want to follow the example on draft-martinelli-wson-interface-class-02 section 3.2

The Optical Interface Class does not simplify the problem as a whole but it will simplify wson protocol extensions. In addition the OIC concept is fully compatible with the ITU application code, we spent time discussing this but ITU application code is one instance (!) of the optical interface class.

Hope this helps

Cheer
G

 







If changes are needed we will incorporate them, as we have done in the past.

Best Regards
Greg B.
On 6/28/2012 1:44 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote:

Hi Giovanni,

 

<snipped>


[GM] In current draft the only requirement to assess the signal compatibility is  that two interface having the same OIC value are compatible. So WSON protocols does not need to explicitly list optical parameters and their value. We can probably provide some examples in an appendix about how you can map them but the OIC concept per se does not depend on this.

[Fatai] How magic the OIC is. I really want to see how this magic would happen if there is no need to list optical parameters and their value.

 


Cheers
G

Thanks

 

Fatai

 

 



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--------------080909080003090708050008-- From zhangfatai@huawei.com Thu Jul 5 18:25:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB29C11E8118 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:25:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.859 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.859 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=4.739, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l9r5ca0Yx+K8 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3308211E8113 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AHM17155; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 21:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.151) by dfweml202-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.108) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:25:43 -0700 Received: from SZXEML412-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.91) by dfweml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.151) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 18:25:41 -0700 Received: from SZXEML520-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.66]) by szxeml412-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.91]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 09:25:32 +0800 From: Fatai Zhang To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Updates on OTN signaling draft Thread-Index: Ac1bFjuLG0tICBvkSMqcTlWCoN9v0w== Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 01:25:31 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.72.152] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF82CC528E5SZXEML520MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , Linyi Subject: [CCAMP] Updates on OTN signaling draft X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 01:25:54 -0000 --_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF82CC528E5SZXEML520MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, We are updating OTN signaling draft. Since we had lots of discussion on the= TSG stuff in the list, let's converge on the solution. Based on the previous discussion between Lou and co-authors, the authors pr= efer the following changes: (1) Extending GPID to carry TSG in signaling, since its purpose in signalin= g is to ensure that endpoints of the LSP being signaled have a consistent v= iew of the TSG to be offered to its clients and LSP endpoint consistency is= the purpose for which the GPID was designed. (2)Extending LSPA to carry hierarchy information (ie., Type=3D2 - Hierarchy= TLV). Any comments? Thanks Fatai --_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF82CC528E5SZXEML520MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

We are updating OTN signalin= g draft. Since we had lots of discussion on the TSG stuff in the list, let'= s converge on the solution.

 

Based on the previous discus= sion between Lou and co-authors, the authors prefer the following changes:<= o:p>

 

(1) Extending GPID to carry = TSG in signaling, since its purpose in signaling is to ensure that endpoint= s of the LSP being signaled have a consistent view of the TSG to be offered= to its clients and LSP endpoint consistency is the purpose for which the GPID was designed.

 

(2)Extending LSPA to carry h= ierarchy information (ie., Type=3D2 - Hierarchy TLV).

 

Any comments?

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai

 

 

 

 

 

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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : General Network Element Constraint Encoding for GMPLS Co= ntrolled Networks Author(s) : Greg M. Bernstein Young Lee Dan Li Wataru Imajuku Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-08.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2012-07-06 Abstract: Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be used to control a wide variety of technologies. In some of these technologies network elements and links may impose additional routing constraints such as asymmetric switch connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label range limitations on links. This document provides efficient, protocol-agnostic encodings for general information elements representing connectivity and label constraints as well as label availability. It is intended that protocol-specific documents will reference this memo to describe how information is carried for specific uses. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-08 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-en= code-08 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Jul 6 13:03:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD68611E80C2; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:03:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dYiP43cQZLgh; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BDA11E80E5; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:03:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p2 Message-ID: <20120706200302.7138.35122.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:03:02 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-04.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 20:03:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element Constrain= ts Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Young Lee Jianrui Han Greg Bernstein Yunbin Xu Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-04.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2012-07-06 Abstract: Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be used to control a wide variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g., MPLS), time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (lambdas), and spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port or fiber). In some of these technologies network elements and links may impose additional routing constraints such as asymmetric switch connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label range limitations on links. This document describes OSPF routing protocol extensions to support these kinds of constraints under the control of Generalized MPLS (GMPLS). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints= -ospf-te There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-= te-04 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constra= ints-ospf-te-04 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From gregb@grotto-networking.com Mon Jul 9 08:35:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEA711E80D7 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:35:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.146 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.146 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SARE_SUB_ENC_UTF8=0.152] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LKQ18adbqtDN for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.webfaction.com (mail6.webfaction.com [74.55.86.74]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FC711E80D9 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.1.0.49] (static-67-226-164-180.ptr.terago.net [67.226.164.180]) by smtp.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1ACA2113FB1 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:35:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4FFAFA4B.5040707@grotto-networking.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:35:39 -0700 From: Greg Bernstein User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ccamp@ietf.org References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1720CB5A47@dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com> <4FE2358E.5050809@cisco.com> <4FE89453.8090103@cisco.com> <4FEDEB12.5060105@grotto-networking.com> <4FF58352.8030102@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4FF58352.8030102@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080704030807070505090505" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiDnrZTlpI06ICBGVzogIE9wdGljYWwgaW50?= =?utf-8?q?_class=2C_changes_to_draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-14?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:35:22 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080704030807070505090505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Giovanni, you are still removing specific information that we need to determine signal compatibility (modulation type and FEC type). GMPLS RFCs have always been able to deal with incremental advances in technology via code point assignment. In addition the drafts provide for vendor specific encodings of information. See below for detailed response to your comments. Greg On 7/5/2012 5:06 AM, Giovanni MARTINELLI wrote: > Hi Greg, > > pls see my other mail for proposed encoding changes. I'll try to > clarify your doubts here below > > > On 6/29/12 19:51 , Greg Bernstein wrote: >> Hi Giovanni, I'm still not sure what problem you are trying to solve. > > > the problem is "signal compatibility", I'm sure you know already all > ccamp references for this. > > The current solution in ccamp drafts list explicitly all parameters > required today to assess the compatibility and has two main drawbacks: > 1. Explicit values taken by parameters are (very) technology dependents. > 2. The list of parameters is per-defined and works today, we are not > granted for future technology evolution (e.g. flexspectrum already > knocking at the doors, other technology evolutions? ). --> GMPLS and IETF has dealt with these kind of problems many times. This is why code point registries are established with IANA. A new technology gets a new code point. > > I'll further clarify below but let me remind an analogy: SRLGs defines > what they should represent and the field format (e.g. 32 bits, etc.), > hey do not defines specific bit encoding (within those 32 bits) or > partitioning you may use. To some extent, the Optical Interface Class > mimic this idea. ---> We started with general 32 bit labels, and then went and specialized to SONET/SDH labels, G.709 labels, G.694 labels, etc... > > Or if you want a programmer analogy, the Optical Interface Class is > like a pointer. Instead of carry around explicit structures you move > only pointers (reference to). ---> But this doesn't help interoperability. Note that we provided a general mechanism for modulation types and FEC. > > > >> Can you give us a specific example within the context of >> non-impairment WSON. Then we can work to see if anything needs to be >> changed in the existing documents. The current information within the >> WSON documents has been thoroughly reviewed. We can't remove >> information and replace it with less specific information from the >> compatibility perspective. If you need additional information added >> for your application, please furnish an example. >> > > > a) FEC values can be encoded according to section 5.3 of > draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode and there are 10 values defined for FecID > b) Modulation formats encoded according to section 5.2, only 5 values > defined. > > - what if another FecID (e.g. =11) or an additional Modulation ID > (e.g. = 6) is required (i.e. standardized) ? What the impacts on all > protocol extensions using this encoding? --> Use either (a) the vendor specific encoding format we've provided, (b) allocate another code point there are thousands of them available. > - Is there any cross compatibility among differend FecID and > ModulationID? It will never happen in the future? --> If say some type of Trellis (combined modulation/FEC method) coding is used then one can just define the modulation format code points. If there are additional ECC options that can go into the FEC code points. If this standardized at ITU. Otherwise you can just use the vendor specific encoding method that is provided in the draft. > > If you turn this in Optical Interface Classes, you may want to follow > the example on draft-martinelli-wson-interface-class-02 section 3.2 > > The Optical Interface Class does not simplify the problem as a whole > but it will simplify wson protocol extensions. In addition the OIC > concept is fully compatible with the ITU application code, we spent > time discussing this but ITU application code is one instance (!) of > the optical interface class. --> Once again we only extract what is needed for the control plane from ITU standards. For compatibility we still need modulation type (ITU-T's optical tributary class) and FEC. > > Hope this helps > > Cheer > G > > > > > > > > > >> If changes are needed we will incorporate them, as we have done in >> the past. >> >> Best Regards >> Greg B. >> On 6/28/2012 1:44 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>> >>> Hi Giovanni, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [GM] In current draft the only requirement to assess the signal >>> compatibility is that two interface having the same OIC value are >>> compatible. So WSON protocols does not need to explicitly list >>> optical parameters and their value. We can probably provide some >>> examples in an appendix about how you can map them but the OIC >>> concept per se does not depend on this. >>> >>> [Fatai] How magic the OIC is. I really want to see how this magic >>> would happen if there is no need to list optical parameters and >>> their value. >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> G >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Fatai >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CCAMP mailing list >>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >> >> >> -- >> =================================================== >> Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp -- =================================================== Dr Greg Bernstein, Grotto Networking (510) 573-2237 --------------080704030807070505090505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Giovanni, you are still removing specific information that we need to determine signal compatibility (modulation type and FEC type).  GMPLS RFCs have always been able to deal with incremental advances in technology via code point assignment. In addition the drafts provide for vendor specific encodings of information.  See below for detailed response to your comments.
Greg
On 7/5/2012 5:06 AM, Giovanni MARTINELLI wrote:
Hi Greg,

pls see my other mail for proposed encoding changes. I'll try to clarify your doubts here below


On 6/29/12 19:51 , Greg Bernstein wrote:
Hi Giovanni, I'm still not sure what problem you are trying to solve. 


the problem is "signal compatibility", I'm sure you know already all ccamp references for this.

The current solution in ccamp drafts list explicitly all parameters required today to assess the compatibility and has two main drawbacks:
1. Explicit values taken by parameters are (very) technology dependents.
2. The list of parameters is per-defined and works today, we are not granted for future technology evolution (e.g. flexspectrum already knocking at the doors,  other technology evolutions? ).
--> GMPLS and IETF has dealt with these kind of problems many times. This is why code point registries are established with IANA. A new technology gets a new code point. 

I'll further clarify below but let me remind an analogy: SRLGs defines what they should represent and the field format (e.g. 32 bits, etc.), hey do not defines specific bit encoding (within those 32 bits) or partitioning you may use. To some extent, the Optical Interface Class mimic this idea.
--->  We started with general 32 bit labels, and then went and specialized to SONET/SDH labels, G.709 labels, G.694 labels, etc...

Or if you want a programmer analogy, the Optical Interface Class is like a pointer. Instead of carry around explicit structures you move only pointers (reference to).
---> But this doesn't help interoperability.  Note that we provided a general mechanism for modulation types and FEC. 



Can you give us a specific example within the context of non-impairment WSON. Then we can work to see if anything needs to be changed in the existing documents. The current information within the WSON documents has been thoroughly reviewed. We can't remove information and replace it with less specific information from the compatibility perspective.  If you need additional information added for your application, please furnish an example.



a) FEC values can be encoded according to section 5.3 of draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode and there are 10 values defined for FecID
b) Modulation formats encoded according to section 5.2, only 5 values defined.

- what if another FecID (e.g. =11) or an additional Modulation ID (e.g. = 6) is required (i.e. standardized) ? What the impacts on all protocol extensions using  this encoding?
--> Use either (a) the vendor specific encoding format we've provided, (b) allocate another code point there are thousands of them available.
- Is there any cross compatibility among differend FecID and ModulationID? It will never happen in the future?
--> If say some type of Trellis (combined modulation/FEC method) coding is used then one can just define the modulation format code points. If there are additional ECC options that can go into the FEC code points.  If this  standardized at ITU. Otherwise you can just use the vendor specific encoding method that is provided in the draft.

If you turn this in Optical Interface Classes, you may want to follow the example on draft-martinelli-wson-interface-class-02 section 3.2

The Optical Interface Class does not simplify the problem as a whole but it will simplify wson protocol extensions. In addition the OIC concept is fully compatible with the ITU application code, we spent time discussing this but ITU application code is one instance (!) of the optical interface class.
--> Once again we only extract what is needed for the control plane from ITU standards.  For compatibility we still need modulation type (ITU-T's optical tributary class) and FEC.

Hope this helps

Cheer
G

 







If changes are needed we will incorporate them, as we have done in the past.

Best Regards
Greg B.
On 6/28/2012 1:44 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote:

Hi Giovanni,

 

<snipped>


[GM] In current draft the only requirement to assess the signal compatibility is  that two interface having the same OIC value are compatible. So WSON protocols does not need to explicitly list optical parameters and their value. We can probably provide some examples in an appendix about how you can map them but the OIC concept per se does not depend on this.

[Fatai] How magic the OIC is. I really want to see how this magic would happen if there is no need to list optical parameters and their value.

 


Cheers
G

Thanks

 

Fatai

 

 



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I will prepare the publication request. Thanks, Deborah -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of B= RUNGARD, DEBORAH A Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:20 PM To: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-sdh-otn-oam-ext-0= 4 *** Security Advisory: This Message Originated Outside of AT&T ***. Reference http://cso.att.com/EmailSecurity/IDSP.html for more information. All, This starts a two-week working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-= sdh-otn-oam-ext-04. This working group last call ends July 5th. Please send your comments to th= e CCAMP mailing list. 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I will prepare the publication request. Thanks, Deborah -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of B= RUNGARD, DEBORAH A Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:56 PM To: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-07 *** Security Advisory: This Message Originated Outside of AT&T ***. Reference http://cso.att.com/EmailSecurity/IDSP.html for more information. All, This starts a two-week working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-conf= iguration-fwk-07. This working group last call ends July 3rd. Please send your comments to th= e CCAMP mailing list. Deborah and Lou _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From lberger@labn.net Mon Jul 9 14:27:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED1011E8083 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:27:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.786 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.786 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.375, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id azoRfvBkeSiB for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E890811E8072 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6704 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2012 21:27:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2012 21:27:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=frN5tN5Klawg/cM6A/sjNoYHG8I12QzOCRa6ZPZPAGg=; b=RbsaX2JDyc68r8WGa8i8UXV9F20EN3CWfZStey9AzXJohx3l9v2LmPePY9oQBES1cXPhSWRl+ZLXPk9i2w+UMpAb26QFCI9qw8JcPDz5wraJqxIYQ+OPN6S9HjBIpgnx; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:35837 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SoLUN-0003O9-H9; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:27:27 -0600 Message-ID: <4FFB4CBD.6070308@labn.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:27:25 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fatai Zhang References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , Linyi Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Updates on OTN signaling draft X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 21:27:06 -0000 [Woops, this was stuck in my outbox from last week!] Fatai/Authors, G-PID is a fine place to carry information about the format/type of information carried by an LSP. An important consideration is that G-PID information is not used as part of path computation, and is not used by transit nodes except in the case of the penultimate hop (for PHP). When we last discussed this, some authors stated that TSG was needed as part of path computation, including at transit nodes doing loose ERO expansion. Hence the discussed inclusion of TSG in LSP Encoding Type. If the authors are now willing to state that TSG isn't needed for loose ERO expansion, then G-PID seems the perfect choice. Do all the authors agree with such this statement (and change)? As I mentioned on the on the conference call, and my mail of 6/18, the use of G-PID as part of a path selection is really part of the general issue seen in MLN. On the call we agreed that non-OTN MLN will be handled as the standard MLN case, without OTN-specific additions. Unless I'm misreading your mail, you are *not* proposing to treat the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case as generic MLN but rather a special case by bundling some upper OTN hierarchy information as part of a lower H-LSPs (in Hierarchy TLV). Correct? If my reading is correct, then I think the authors need to discuss their technical reasons for their "preference" and why the previously reached compromise position (as articulated in my mail of 6/18) is not acceptable. Speaking only as an individual contributor, given the difficulty in reaching a consensus on how to treat intra-OTN (hierarchy) as a special case, I personally now prefer to avoid any technology specific co-mingling of layers and to address the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case via generic MLN (or other generic mechanisms). I think this position would translate to removing the Hierarchy TLV from the OTN signaling draft and spinning up a new draft to cover (OTN and generic) intra-technology MLN. Lou On 7/5/2012 9:25 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > > Hi all, > > We are updating OTN signaling draft. Since we had lots of discussion on > the TSG stuff in the list, let's converge on the solution. > > Based on the previous discussion between Lou and co-authors, the authors > prefer the following changes: > > (1) Extending GPID to carry TSG in signaling, since its purpose in > signaling is to ensure that endpoints of the LSP being signaled have a > consistent view of the TSG to be offered to its clients and LSP endpoint > consistency is the purpose for which the GPID was designed. > > (2)Extending LSPA to carry hierarchy information (ie., Type=2 - > Hierarchy TLV). > > Any comments? > > Thanks > > Fatai From zhangfatai@huawei.com Tue Jul 10 02:37:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC10621F86E5 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 02:37:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.699 X-Spam-Level: ** 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Hi Lou,

 

Please see in-line below.

 

Note that let=A1=AFs use HTML format to make the mails readable, J

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai

 

 

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=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2012=C4=EA7=D4=C210=C8=D5 5:27
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Fatai Zhang
=B3=AD=CB=CD: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com= .cn; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRA= NDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E Drak= e
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: Updates on OTN signaling draft

 

[Woops, this was stuck in my= outbox from last week!]

 

Fatai/Authors,

    &nbs= p;    G-PID is a fine place to carry information about the f= ormat/type of information carried by an LSP. An important consideration is = that G-PID information is not used as part of path computation, and is not = used by transit nodes except in the case of the penultimate hop (for PHP).=

 

When we last discussed this,= some authors stated that TSG was needed as part of path computation, inclu= ding at transit nodes doing loose ERO expansion.  Hence the discussed = inclusion of TSG in LSP Encoding Type.

 

If the authors are now willi= ng to state that TSG isn't needed for loose ERO expansion, then G-PID seems= the perfect choice.

 

Do all the authors agree wit= h such this statement (and change)?

 

[Aut= hors] After lots of discussion, the authors came to conclude that it is nee= ded only for penultimate hop to select right link to egress and hence the c= hange.

 

&= nbsp;

As I mentioned on the on the= conference call, and my mail of 6/18, the use of G-PID as part of a path s= election is really part of the general issue seen in MLN. On the call we ag= reed that non-OTN MLN will be handled as the standard MLN case, without OTN-specific additions.

 

Unless I'm misreading your m= ail, you are *not* proposing to treat the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case as gen= eric MLN but rather a special case by bundling some upper OTN hierarchy inf= ormation as part of a lower H-LSPs (in Hierarchy TLV).

 

Correct?

 

[Aut= hors] Correct, it is the latter one.

&= nbsp;

If my reading is correct, th= en I think the authors need to discuss their technical reasons for their &q= uot;preference" and why the previously reached compromise position (as= articulated in my mail of 6/18) is not acceptable.

&= nbsp;

[Aut= hors] After checking after conf call, the authors think that Encoding type = is an end to end constraint (See RFC4328) and GPID should be the right plac= e as you mention above.

&= nbsp;

Speaking only as an individu= al contributor, given the difficulty in reaching a consensus on how to trea= t intra-OTN (hierarchy) as a special case, I personally now prefer to avoid= any technology specific co-mingling of layers and to address the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case via generic MLN (o= r other generic mechanisms).  I think this position would translate to= removing the Hierarchy TLV from the OTN signaling draft and spinning up a = new draft to cover (OTN and generic) intra-technology MLN.

 

[Aut= hors] The authors would like to focus on OTN specific by removing Encoding = type and Switching type in the Hierarchy TLV(but keeping Signal Type). It i= s OK to have a new draft to cover generic intra-technology MLN.

&= nbsp;

Lou

 

On 7/5/2012 9:25 PM, Fatai Z= hang wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> We are updating OTN sig= naling draft. Since we had lots of discussion on the TSG stuff in the list,= let's converge on the solution.

>

> Based on the previous d= iscussion between Lou and co-authors, the authors prefer the following chan= ges:

>

> (1) Extending GPID to c= arry TSG in signaling, since its purpose in signaling is to ensure that end= points of the LSP being signaled have a consistent view of the TSG to be of= fered to its clients and LSP endpoint consistency is the purpose for which the GPID was designed.

>

> (2)Extending LSPA to ca= rry hierarchy information (ie., Type=3D2 Hierarchy TLV).<= /p>

>

> Any comments?

>

> Thanks

>

> Fatai=

--_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF82CC559EFSZXEML520MBXchi_-- From julien.meuric@orange.com Tue Jul 10 03:26:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C7021F8715 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 03:26:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.756 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.756 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_UTF8=0.152] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YhGV+hzR69aM for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 03:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com [195.101.245.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C73621F8714 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 03:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id C8B69FC4002; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:26:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.192.128.47]) by p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DE69C4002; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:26:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.192.128.44]) by ftrdsmtp2.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:26:27 +0200 Received: from [10.193.71.79] ([10.193.71.79]) by ftrdmel10.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:26:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4FFC0352.8030000@orange.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:26:26 +0200 From: Julien Meuric Organization: France Telecom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Bernstein References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1720CB5A47@dfweml511-mbx.china.huawei.com> <4FE2358E.5050809@cisco.com> <4FE89453.8090103@cisco.com> <4FEDEB12.5060105@grotto-networking.com> <4FF58352.8030102@cisco.com> <4FFAFA4B.5040707@grotto-networking.com> In-Reply-To: <4FFAFA4B.5040707@grotto-networking.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2012 10:26:27.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[76983E90:01CD5E86] Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiDnrZTlpI06ICBGVzogIE9wdGljYWwgaW50?= =?utf-8?q?_class=2C_changes_to_draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-info-14?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:26:02 -0000 Hi all. Sorry for interrupting. On 09/07/2012 17:35, Greg Bernstein wrote: > ---> But this doesn't help interoperability. Note that we provided a > general mechanism for modulation types and FEC. Actually, the class approach does simplify the interoperability: instead of comparing a set of parameters (including some cross-compatibility complexity and the risk of missing some information), an implementation only has to match two 32-bit fields. Provided the operator can specify the class(es) associated to a given transponder, it just mimics the interconnection of 2 identical transmitters as done in real networks. However, the drawbacks of the class approach do exist: - from an implementation perspective, the capability to fallback to an alternative set of parameters, e.g. a more commonly implemented FEC; - from the operator's perspective, the visibility on the parameters used within protocol analyzing tools, or the capability to be aware of the parameter which does not match so as to provision a compatible one. I believe that behind the technical content of his pragmatic proposal, Giovanni is raising an interesting question. We are spending much effort on specifying an ideal detailed solution, but will operational people (as opposed to protocol engineers) really be bothered by those drawbacks? What if the actual maturity and experience (I'm not suggesting anything about Giovanni's age!) was to say "over-engineering is just bringing material to people you are still questioning the need of RSVP-TE signaling in optical networks"? Yes, SRLGs are opaque identifiers, but they have already proven to work. Sometimes, "perfection is attained, not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away..." Regards, Julien From lberger@labn.net Tue Jul 10 07:33:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0207821F8790 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 07:33:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -93.966 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-93.966 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E3POFleEtuUj for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 07:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3388821F878B for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 07:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10021 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2012 14:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2012 14:33:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=4zS8wBguv2w7nP1iGhZJd64OAcmHdDCOoWXNXFlqHz0=; b=jjraH/bN/o2AsnPq3PTWNJ/Hh1HpGDEXxx8qf1SIYABJ1ofX8HNLmlwYF2YuTC8eoImFWPHbot2oZFZdMiYHC4XMEy3P3+gs91KxFAMe2BnYhuE80YJbmvZYFizupJHy; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:42400 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SobVH-0007Ww-6z; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:33:27 -0600 Message-ID: <4FFC3D35.5010801@labn.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 10:33:25 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fatai Zhang References: <4FFB4CBD.6070308@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , Linyi Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogVXBkYXRlcyBvbiBPVE4gc2lnbmFsaW5nIGRy?= =?gb2312?b?YWZ0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:33:01 -0000 Fatai, See below for in-line responses. On 7/10/2012 5:34 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > > > Hi Lou, > > > > Please see in-line below. > > > > Note that lets use HTML format to make the mails readable, J > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Fatai > > > > > > -----ʼԭ----- > : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > ʱ: 2012710 5:27 > ռ: Fatai Zhang > : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; > daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; > GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; > Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E Drake > : Re: Updates on OTN signaling draft > > > > [Woops, this was stuck in my outbox from last week!] > > > > Fatai/Authors, > > G-PID is a fine place to carry information about the > format/type of information carried by an LSP. An important consideration > is that G-PID information is not used as part of path computation, and > is not used by transit nodes except in the case of the penultimate hop > (for PHP). > > When we last discussed this, some authors stated that TSG was needed as > part of path computation, including at transit nodes doing loose ERO > expansion. Hence the discussed inclusion of TSG in LSP Encoding Type. > > If the authors are now willing to state that TSG isn't needed for loose > ERO expansion, then G-PID seems the perfect choice. > > Do all the authors agree with such this statement (and change)? > > [Authors] After lots of discussion, the authors came to conclude that it > is needed only for penultimate hop to select right link to egress and > hence the change. Can one of the authors summarize the discussion for the WG? The authors are asking for WG support, so should provide the technical basis for the position. Once the requirements are articulated, the WG can be in a position to judge/agree/disagree with the proposed solution. > > As I mentioned on the on the conference call, and my mail of 6/18, the > use of G-PID as part of a path selection is really part of the general > issue seen in MLN. On the call we agreed that non-OTN MLN will be > handled as the standard MLN case, without OTN-specific additions. > > Unless I'm misreading your mail, you are *not* proposing to treat the > intra-OTN (hierarchy) case as generic MLN but rather a special case by > bundling some upper OTN hierarchy information as part of a lower H-LSPs > (in Hierarchy TLV). > > Correct? > > [Authors] Correct, it is the latter one. > > If my reading is correct, then I think the authors need to discuss their > technical reasons for their "preference" and why the previously reached > compromise position (as articulated in my mail of 6/18) is not acceptable. > > [Authors] After checking after conf call, the authors think that > Encoding type is an end to end constraint (See RFC4328) and GPID should > be the right place as you mention above. This goes to requirements, in today's GMPLS G-PID is not part of path computation except in the context of MRN/MLN. > > Speaking only as an individual contributor, given the difficulty in > reaching a consensus on how to treat intra-OTN (hierarchy) as a special > case, I personally now prefer to avoid any technology specific > co-mingling of layers and to address the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case via > generic MLN (or other generic mechanisms). I think this position would > translate to removing the Hierarchy TLV from the OTN signaling draft and > spinning up a new draft to cover (OTN and generic) intra-technology MLN. > > [Authors] The authors would like to focus on OTN specific by removing > Encoding type and Switching type in the Hierarchy TLV(but keeping Signal > Type). It is OK to have a new draft to cover generic intra-technology MLN. How is the revised TLV to be used? Do the authors have a specific proposal that covers "generic intra-technology MLN"? Lou > > > Lou > > > > On 7/5/2012 9:25 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> We are updating OTN signaling draft. Since we had lots of discussion on > the TSG stuff in the list, let's converge on the solution. > >> > >> Based on the previous discussion between Lou and co-authors, the > authors prefer the following changes: > >> > >> (1) Extending GPID to carry TSG in signaling, since its purpose in > signaling is to ensure that endpoints of the LSP being signaled have a > consistent view of the TSG to be offered to its clients and LSP endpoint > consistency is the purpose for which the GPID was designed. > >> > >> (2)Extending LSPA to carry hierarchy information (ie., Type=2 Hierarchy > TLV). > >> > >> Any comments? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Fatai > From prvs=2538f4adb3=lyong@ciena.com Tue Jul 10 08:12:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A55A21F8539 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 08:12:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -94.217 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-94.217 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SgHQmhBRiSQi for ; 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From lberger@labn.net Wed Jul 11 06:37:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9CA21F86A3 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 06:37:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -93.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-93.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.812, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iU2UESUZIF6N for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 06:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a1]) by 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Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fatai Zhang References: <4FFB4CBD.6070308@labn.net> <4FFC3D35.5010801@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , Linyi Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogVXBkYXRlcyBvbiBPVE4gc2lnbmFs?= =?gb2312?b?aW5nIGRyYWZ0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:37:46 -0000 Fatai, It sounds you/the Authors are proposing/moving towards G-PID + MRN/MLN to support intra-OTN H-LSPs. From a WG perspective, this is great as it leverages/extends existing technology-independent GMPLS mechanisms. I think you may have missed a process point in my previous mail. As I'm sure you know, author's consensus does not mean there is WG consensus. You say that there has been much (off-line) discussion among the authors. While off-line discussions are always a fine way to make progress among individuals, the results of private discussions do not represent WG consensus. So from my previous mail: > Can one of the authors summarize the [off-line author's] > discussion for the WG? ... >> [Authors] The authors would like to focus on OTN specific by >> removing Encoding type and Switching type in the Hierarchy TLV >> (but keeping Signal Type). It is OK to have a new draft to cover >> generic intra-technology MLN. > > How is the revised TLV to be used? Do the authors have a specific > proposal that covers "generic intra-technology MLN"? Lou BTW The use of G-PID was first discussed in draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 and Signal Type in John's mail on 7/27/2011. On 7/11/2012 2:24 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Let me repeat the requirement of this information. > When an ODU (e.g., ODU1) with one specific TSG (because of the ingress interface constraint) needs to be created over another higher ODU (e.g., ODU3 FA-LSP), the penultimate hop of this ODU3 FA-LSP needs to be aware of which TSG should be picked up from the TE link (ie., choose the right component link which can support the client TSG), so the client TSG information (and hierarchy information) needs to be conveyed in the signaling to create the ODU FA-LSP. > > The requirement has been discussed in the previous IETF meetings, please get more information from the presentation slides of Taipei and Paris meetings. > > Given that people understand the above requirment, let's focus on the potential solutions. In Taipei meeting, the authors compared three alternatives and discussed in the list: > (1) Introducing a new object: WG prefer to re-use the existing things, so the authors switched to (2). > (2) Extending GPID to carry TSG/PT information: Lou once suggested this approach and the authors finally agreed on this because it is needed only for penultimate hop to select right link to egress. Note that TSG isn't needed for loose ERO expansion. > (3) Extending Encoding Type: Encoding type is an end to end constraint (See RFC4328), so the authors think it is not the right place. > > Do we need to poll how many people support which approach perspectively (or any other approach)? > > > > Thanks > > Fatai > > > -----ʼԭ----- > : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > ʱ: 2012710 22:33 > ռ: Fatai Zhang > : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E Drake > : Re: : Updates on OTN signaling draft > > Fatai, > > See below for in-line responses. > > On 7/10/2012 5:34 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >> >> >> Hi Lou, >> >> >> >> Please see in-line below. >>> >> >> Note that lets use HTML format to make the mails readable, J >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Fatai >> >> >> >> >> >> -----ʼԭ----- >> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> ʱ: 2012710 5:27 >> ռ: Fatai Zhang >> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; >> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E Drake >> : Re: Updates on OTN signaling draft >> >> >> >> [Woops, this was stuck in my outbox from last week!] >> >> >> >> Fatai/Authors, >> >> G-PID is a fine place to carry information about the format/type of information carried by an LSP. An important consideration is that G-PID information is not used as part of path computation, and is not used by transit nodes except in the case of the penultimate hop (for PHP). >> >> When we last discussed this, some authors stated that TSG was needed as part of path computation, including at transit nodes doing loose ERO expansion. Hence the discussed inclusion of TSG in LSP Encoding Type. >> >> If the authors are now willing to state that TSG isn't needed for loose ERO expansion, then G-PID seems the perfect choice. >> >> Do all the authors agree with such this statement (and change)? > >> [Authors] After lots of discussion, the authors came to conclude that it is needed only for penultimate hop to select right link to egress and hence the change. > > Can one of the authors summarize the discussion for the WG? > > The authors are asking for WG support, so should provide the technical basis for the position. Once the requirements are articulated, the WG can be in a position to judge/agree/disagree with the proposed solution. > >> >> As I mentioned on the on the conference call, and my mail of 6/18, the use of G-PID as part of a path selection is really part of the general issue seen in MLN. On the call we agreed that non-OTN MLN will be handled as the standard MLN case, without OTN-specific additions. >> >> Unless I'm misreading your mail, you are *not* proposing to treat the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case as generic MLN but rather a special case by bundling some upper OTN hierarchy information as part of a lower H-LSPs (in Hierarchy TLV). >> >> Correct? >> >> [Authors] Correct, it is the latter one. >> >> If my reading is correct, then I think the authors need to discuss their technical reasons for their "preference" and why the previously reached compromise position (as articulated in my mail of 6/18) is not acceptable. >> >> [Authors] After checking after conf call, the authors think that Encoding type is an end to end constraint (See RFC4328) and GPID should be the right place as you mention above. > > This goes to requirements, in today's GMPLS G-PID is not part of path computation except in the context of MRN/MLN. > >> >> Speaking only as an individual contributor, given the difficulty in reaching a consensus on how to treat intra-OTN (hierarchy) as a special case, I personally now prefer to avoid any technology specific co-mingling of layers and to address the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case via generic MLN (or other generic mechanisms). I think this position would translate to removing the Hierarchy TLV from the OTN signaling draft and spinning up a new draft to cover (OTN and generic) intra-technology MLN. >> >> [Authors] The authors would like to focus on OTN specific by removing Encoding type and Switching type in the Hierarchy TLV(but keeping Signal Type). It is OK to have a new draft to cover generic intra-technology MLN. > > How is the revised TLV to be used? Do the authors have a specific proposal that covers "generic intra-technology MLN"? > > Lou > >> >> >> Lou >> >> >> >> On 7/5/2012 9:25 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi all, >> >>> >> >>> We are updating OTN signaling draft. Since we had lots of discussion on >> the TSG stuff in the list, let's converge on the solution. >> >>> >> >>> Based on the previous discussion between Lou and co-authors, the >> authors prefer the following changes: >> >>> >> >>> (1) Extending GPID to carry TSG in signaling, since its purpose in >> signaling is to ensure that endpoints of the LSP being signaled have a >> consistent view of the TSG to be offered to its clients and LSP endpoint >> consistency is the purpose for which the GPID was designed. >> >>> >> >>> (2)Extending LSPA to carry hierarchy information (ie., Type=2 Hierarchy >> TLV). >> >>> >> >>> Any comments? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks >> >>> >> >>> Fatai >> From jdrake@juniper.net Wed Jul 11 11:56:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BC521F8665 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:56:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com 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Hi John,

 

I think TSG and hierarchy in= formation really confused many people, which causes the same questions will= come out again after we explained many times, :-)

 

The simple way is to remove = link bundling (or bundle the homogeneous component links) in the routing, t= hen all the issues disappear immediately ( i.e., no need TSG and hierarchy = information at all), otherwise, it needs these two kinds of information in some cases.

 

I really suspect the value o= f bundling in the GMPLS for TDM or WSON. I think this is interesting point = to be investigated, but it seems that not too many people are interested, J

 

Please see in-line below.

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai

 

 

-----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE-----
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2012=C4=EA7=D4=C212=C8=D5 2:54
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger
=B3=AD=CB=CD: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com= .cn; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRA= NDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
=D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: =B4=F0= =B8=B4: Updates on OTN signaling draft

 

Fatai,

 

Is it not the case that *any= * node, regardless of whether it is the ingress node, an intermediate node,= or the penultimate node, that selects the interface for the egress LSP end= point MUST ensure that that interface has a TSG that is compatible with the TSG of interface for the ingress LSP= endpoint?

&= nbsp;

[Fat= ai] There are two cases for TSG issue. One is for ODU service LSP (carrying= non-ODU) creation, the second one is ODU FA-LSP creation for carrying anot= her lower ODU. For the first case, the TSG can be changeable segment by segment (link by link). For example, when= an ODU1 (to carry non-ODU) is being created over ODU3 link, the TSG could = be different link by link. For the second case, this is what we are talking= about with Lou; in this case, only end points and penultimate node need to have the compatible TSG.

&= nbsp;

Also, it occurs to me that h= ierarchy is not only unnecessary but counter-productive in signaling. = When one establishes an ODU3, for example, that ODU3 may be used to instan= tiate multiple hierarchies, so one does not want to specify a particular hierarchy.

 

If one is establishing this = ODU3 in order to eventually establish an ODU0 LSP over an ODU2 LSP, then af= ter the ODU3 is established, the ODU2 would be signaled within the ODU3.&nb= sp; Again, since the ODU2 might support multiple hierarchies, one does not want to specify a particular hierarchy.

 

Once the OUD2 is established= , the ODU0 is signaled.  Since it does not support any further hierarc= hy, none is specified.

 

[Fat= ai] Hierarchy information is necessary when bundling link is used. For your= example, ODU0->ODU2->ODU3, when creating ODU2 FA-LSP over ODU3 links= , ODU2 layer should be aware of that it should pick up the right component link that can support ODU0 muxing (so the hier= archy ODU0->ODU2 should be carried when creating ODU2 FA-LSP), otherwise= , this arbitrary ODU2 could be only support ODU1->ODU2, then ODU0 cannot= be carried over this ODU2 FA-LSP.

&= nbsp;

Thanks,

 

John

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

> -----Original Message--= ---

> From: Fatai Zhang [mail= to:zhangfatai@huawei.com]

> Sent: Tuesday, July 10,= 2012 11:25 PM

> To: Lou Berger

> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khu= zema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn;

> daniele.ceccarelli@eric= sson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn;

> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO= (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com;

> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@adv= aoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E

> Drake=

> Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: =B4=F0=B8=B4: Updates on OTN signaling draft

>

> Hi Lou,

>

> Let me repeat the requi= rement of this information.

> When an ODU (e.g., ODU1= ) with one specific TSG (because of the ingress

> interface constraint) n= eeds to be created over another higher ODU

> (e.g., ODU3 FA-LSP), th= e penultimate hop of this ODU3 FA-LSP needs to

> be aware of which TSG s= hould be picked up from the TE link (ie., choose

> the right component lin= k which can support the client TSG), so the

> client TSG information = (and hierarchy information) needs to be conveyed

> in the signaling to cre= ate the ODU FA-LSP.

>

> The requirement has bee= n discussed in the previous IETF meetings,

> please get more informa= tion from the presentation slides of Taipei and

> Paris meetings.

>

> Given that people under= stand the above requirment, let's focus on the

> potential solutions. In= Taipei meeting, the authors compared three

> alternatives and discus= sed in the list:

> (1) Introducing a new o= bject: WG prefer to re-use the existing things,

> so the authors switched= to (2).

> (2) Extending GPID to c= arry TSG/PT information: Lou once suggested this

> approach and the author= s finally agreed on this because it is needed

> only for penultimate ho= p to select right link to egress. Note that TSG

> isn't needed for loose = ERO expansion.

> (3) Extending Encoding = Type: Encoding type is an end to end constraint

> (See RFC4328), so the a= uthors think it is not the right place.

>

> Do we need to poll how = many people support which approach perspectively

> (or any other approach)= ?

>

>

>

> Thanks

>

> Fatai=

>

>

> -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE-----

> =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Lo= u Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]

> =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2012=C4=EA7=D4=C210= =C8=D5 22:33

> =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Fa= tai Zhang

> =B3=AD=CB=CD: ccamp@ie= tf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn;<= /p>

> daniele.ceccarelli@eric= sson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn;

> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO= (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com;

> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@adv= aoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E

> Drake=

> =D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: =B4=F0=B8=B4: Updates on OTN signaling draft

>

> Fatai,

>

> See below for in-line r= esponses.

>

> On 7/10/2012 5:34 AM, F= atai Zhang wrote:

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> > Hi Lou,=

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> > Please see in-line= below.

> > >

> ><= /p>

> > Note that let=A1=AF= s use HTML format to make the mails readable, J=

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> > Thanks<= /span>

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> > Fatai

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> > -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE-----

> > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]

> > =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2012=C4=EA<= span lang=3D"EN-US">7=D4=C2= 10=C8=D5 5:27

> > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Fatai Zhang

> > =B3=AD=CB=CD: cca= mp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan;

> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.= com.cn;

> > daniele.ceccarelli= @ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn;

> > GRANDI, PIETRO VIT= TORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO);

> > diego.caviglia@eri= csson.com; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com;

> > BELOTTI, SERGIO (S= ERGIO); John E Drake

> > =D6=F7=CC=E2: Re:= Updates on OTN signaling draft

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> > [Woops, this was s= tuck in my outbox from last week!]

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> > Fatai/Authors,

> ><= /p>

> >   &= nbsp;      G-PID is a fine place to carry informat= ion about the

> format/type of informat= ion carried by an LSP. An important

> consideration is that G= -PID information is not used as part of path

> computation, and is not= used by transit nodes except in the case of the

> penultimate hop (for PH= P).

> ><= /p>

> > When we last discu= ssed this, some authors stated that TSG was needed

> as part of path computa= tion, including at transit nodes doing loose ERO

> expansion.  Hence = the discussed inclusion of TSG in LSP Encoding Type.

> ><= /p>

> > If the authors are= now willing to state that TSG isn't needed for

> loose ERO expansion, th= en G-PID seems the perfect choice.

> ><= /p>

> > Do all the authors= agree with such this statement (and change)?

>

> > [Authors] After lo= ts of discussion, the authors came to conclude that

> it is needed only for p= enultimate hop to select right link to egress

> and hence the change.

>

> Can one of the authors = summarize the discussion for the WG?

>

> The authors are asking = for WG support, so should provide the technical

> basis for the position.= Once the requirements are articulated, the WG

> can be in a position to= judge/agree/disagree with the proposed

> solution.

>

> ><= /p>

> > As I mentioned on = the on the conference call, and my mail of 6/18,

> the use of G-PID as par= t of a path selection is really part of the

> general issue seen in M= LN. On the call we agreed that non-OTN MLN will

> be handled as the stand= ard MLN case, without OTN-specific additions.

> ><= /p>

> > Unless I'm misread= ing your mail, you are *not* proposing to treat the

> intra-OTN (hierarchy) c= ase as generic MLN but rather a special case by

> bundling some upper OTN= hierarchy information as part of a lower H-LSPs

> (in Hierarchy TLV).

> ><= /p>

> > Correct?

> ><= /p>

> > [Authors] Correct,= it is the latter one.

> ><= /p>

> > If my reading is c= orrect, then I think the authors need to discuss

> their technical reasons= for their "preference" and why the previously<= /p>

> reached compromise posi= tion (as articulated in my mail of 6/18) is not

> acceptable.<= /span>

> ><= /p>

> > [Authors] After ch= ecking after conf call, the authors think that

> Encoding type is an end= to end constraint (See RFC4328) and GPID should

> be the right place as y= ou mention above.

>

> This goes to requiremen= ts, in today's GMPLS G-PID is not part of path

> computation except in t= he context of MRN/MLN.

>

> ><= /p>

> > Speaking only as a= n individual contributor, given the difficulty in

> reaching a consensus on= how to treat intra-OTN (hierarchy) as a special

> case, I personally now = prefer to avoid any technology specific co-

> mingling of layers and = to address the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case via

> generic MLN (or other g= eneric mechanisms).  I think this position would

> translate to removing t= he Hierarchy TLV from the OTN signaling draft

> and spinning up a new d= raft to cover (OTN and generic) intra-technology

> MLN.<= /p>

> ><= /p>

> > [Authors] The auth= ors would like to focus on OTN specific by removing

> Encoding type and Switc= hing type in the Hierarchy TLV(but keeping

> Signal Type). It is OK = to have a new draft to cover generic intra-

> technology MLN.

>

> How is the revised TLV = to be used?  Do the authors have a specific

> proposal that covers &q= uot;generic intra-technology MLN"?

>

> Lou

>

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> > Lou

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> ><= /p>

> > On 7/5/2012 9:25 P= M, Fatai Zhang wrote:

> ><= /p>

> >>

> ><= /p>

> >> Hi all,

> ><= /p>

> >>

> ><= /p>

> >> We are updatin= g OTN signaling draft. Since we had lots of discussion

> >> on<= /span>

> > the TSG stuff in t= he list, let's converge on the solution.

> ><= /p>

> >>

> ><= /p>

> >> Based on the p= revious discussion between Lou and co-authors, the

> > authors prefer the= following changes:

> ><= /p>

> >>

> ><= /p>

> >> (1) Extending = GPID to carry TSG in signaling, since its purpose in

> > signaling is to en= sure that endpoints of the LSP being signaled have

> a

> > consistent view of= the TSG to be offered to its clients and LSP

> > endpoint consisten= cy is the purpose for which the GPID was designed.

> ><= /p>

> >>

> ><= /p>

> >> (2)Extending L= SPA to carry hierarchy information (ie., Type=3D2

> >> Hierarchy=

> > TLV).

> ><= /p>

> >>

> ><= /p>

> >> Any comments?<= o:p>

> ><= /p>

> >>

> ><= /p>

> >> Thanks

> ><= /p>

> >>

> ><= /p>

> >> Fatai

> ><= /p>

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Whether the contents merged with= any other document? Can you please let us know the details if in case? ---- Link Management Protocol (LMP) Test Messages Extensions for Evaluative Optic= al Transport Networks (OTN) draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03 ---- Thanks, Durga. This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains informat= ion which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If yo= u have received this transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phon= e or fax, and then delete the original and all copies thereof. --_000_C633C16984232B4AAF0A069D6CD9C32B16E3A47FFRIDWPPMB001eci_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

 

Hi Daniele,

 

Below mentioned draft seems to be expired. Whether the conte= nts merged with any other document? Can you please let us know the details i= f in case?

 

----

Link Management Protocol (LMP) Test Messages Extensions for= Evaluative Optical Transport Networks (OTN)
draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03

----

 

Thanks,

Durga.

 

 

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--_000_C633C16984232B4AAF0A069D6CD9C32B16E3A47FFRIDWPPMB001eci_-- From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Thu Jul 12 00:44:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0055421F86D4 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:44:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.248 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.248 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gJm3rWGDDCqH for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBE521F86D3 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:44:55 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7f6c6d000001cc5-72-4ffe8097d1b0 Received: from esessmw0191.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 5E.3D.07365.7908EFF4; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:45:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSCMS0360.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.209]) by esessmw0191.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.84]) with mapi; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:45:27 +0200 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: Durga Prasad Thorati Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:45:26 +0200 Thread-Topic: draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03 expired Thread-Index: Ac1gATzvRVDKkXpNRq6ESAlGzpKbUQAAMsNA Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: it-IT, en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA22AE48C739ESESSCMS0360e_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvre70hn/+BjOealk8mXODxWL3RE+L mTP+MDowe2z6d5zRY8mSn0wBTFFcNimpOZllqUX6dglcGet+v2Eq+Gle8e/5TJYGxl0GXYyc HBICJhKTrq5ghbDFJC7cW8/WxcjFISRwilFi9/kXTCAJIYGFjBK3zwV3MXJwsAlYSTw55AMS FgEyWx5MZQQJMwv4SKzZqAsSZhFQldh65TMjiC0s4Czx5+E7VohyF4npt5+yQNhGErPWTgKr 4RUIl9hy8QMbxCZ/iddfN4Jt5RQIkLjy8RiYzSggKzFh9yKwemYBcYlbT+YzQZwsILFkz3lm CFtU4uXjf6wQ9TISvzZ9Y4U4LV/i4R5viFWCEidnPmGZwCg6C8mkWQhVs5BUQZToSdyYOoUN wtaWWLbwNTOErSsx498hFmTxBYzsqxiFcxMzc9LLDfVSizKTi4vz8/SKUzcxAmPt4JbfujsY T50TOcQozcGiJM7LlbTfX0ggPbEkNTs1tSC1KL6oNCe1+BAjEwenVANjzIezceflxQ0DBL33 s39ULLnH3XF1zQdmwazG4/nnPY8f/Hv91v25EZO2b/x/nf+41bb88IW1HFevbjNkc0++0Wq2 PmtKutra7+31t7Pm8fqWXbBYsf2W8nYe+60WvNysf/h3nfu7brng3fMd2373L2NUalN1czcQ 88qYGSFy6ViQglamz3weJZbijERDLeai4kQA7yLDyYMCAAA= Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03 expired X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:44:58 -0000 --_000_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA22AE48C739ESESSCMS0360e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Durga, the draft is being revised and will be updated within the >00 deadline (Mon= day 16th). If there will be time enough in the CCAMP agenda it will be pres= ented in Vancouver. Thanks, Daniele ________________________________ From: Durga Prasad Thorati [mailto:DurgaPrasad.Thorati@ecitele.com] Sent: gioved=EC 12 luglio 2012 9.36 To: Daniele Ceccarelli Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Sidd Aanand Subject: draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03 expired Hi Daniele, Below mentioned draft seems to be expired. Whether the contents merged with= any other document? Can you please let us know the details if in case? ---- Link Management Protocol (LMP) Test Messages Extensions for Evaluative Opti= cal Transport Networks (OTN) draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03 ---- Thanks, Durga. This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains informa= tion which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If = you have received this transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, p= hone or fax, and then delete the original and all copies thereof. --_000_B5630A95D803744A81C51AD4040A6DAA22AE48C739ESESSCMS0360e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Durga,
 
the draft is being revised and will be updated wit= hin the=20 >00 deadline (Monday 16th). If there will be time enough in the CCAMP ag= enda=20 it will be presented in Vancouver.
 
Thanks,
Daniele

From: Durga Prasad Thorati=20 [mailto:DurgaPrasad.Thorati@ecitele.com]
Sent: gioved=EC 12 lu= glio=20 2012 9.36
To: Daniele Ceccarelli
Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; = Sidd=20 Aanand
Subject: draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03=20 expired

 

Hi=20 Daniele,

 

Below mentioned dra= ft=20 seems to be expired. Whether the contents merged with any other document?= Can=20 you please let us know the details if in case?

 

----

Link Management Pro= tocol=20 (LMP) Test Messages Extensions for Evaluative Optical Transport Networks= =20 (OTN)
draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03 =

----

 

Thanks,<= /SPAN>

Durga.

 

 

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Regards, Durga. From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:15 PM To: Durga Prasad Thorati Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Sidd Aanand Subject: RE: draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03 expired Hi Durga, the draft is being revised and will be updated within the >00 deadline (Mond= ay 16th). If there will be time enough in the CCAMP agenda it will be presen= ted in Vancouver. Thanks, Daniele ________________________________ From: Durga Prasad Thorati [mailto:DurgaPrasad.Thorati@ecitele.com] Sent: gioved=EC 12 luglio 2012 9.36 To: Daniele Ceccarelli Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Sidd Aanand Subject: draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03 expired Hi Daniele, Below mentioned draft seems to be expired. Whether the contents merged with= any other document? Can you please let us know the details if in case? ---- Link Management Protocol (LMP) Test Messages Extensions for Evaluative Optic= al Transport Networks (OTN) draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03 ---- Thanks, Durga. This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains informat= ion which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If yo= u have received this transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phon= e or fax, and then delete the original and all copies thereof. This e-mail message is intended for the recipient only and contains informat= ion which is CONFIDENTIAL and which may be proprietary to ECI Telecom. If yo= u have received this transmission in error, please inform us by e-mail, phon= e or fax, and then delete the original and all copies thereof. --_000_C633C16984232B4AAF0A069D6CD9C32B16E3A49BFRIDWPPMB001eci_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Daniele,

 

Thank you very much for the info and for quick= response.

 

Regards,

Durga.

 

From: Daniele Cec= carelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:15 PM
To: Durga Prasad Thorati
Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Sidd Aanand
Subject: RE: draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03 expired

 

Hi Durga,<= o:p>

 

the draft is being revised and w= ill be updated within the >00 deadline (Monday 16th). If there will be ti= me enough in the CCAMP agenda it will be presented in Vancouver.

 

Thanks,
Daniele

 

From: Durga Prasad Thorati [mailto:DurgaPrasad.Thorati@ecitele= .com]
Sent: gioved=EC 12 luglio 2012 9.36
To: Daniele Ceccarelli
Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Sidd Aanand
Subject: draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03 expired=

 

Hi Daniele,

 

Below mentioned draft seems to be expired. Whether the conte= nts merged with any other document? Can you please let us know the details i= f in case?

 

----

Link Management Protocol (LMP) Test Messages Extensions for= Evaluative Optical Transport Networks (OTN)
draft-ceccarelli-ccamp-gmpls-g709-lmp-test-03

----

 

Thanks,

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--_000_C633C16984232B4AAF0A069D6CD9C32B16E3A49BFRIDWPPMB001eci_-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Jul 12 02:14:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3590421F87AB; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.049, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Kc5U51Ih-6t; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:14:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D9F21F8780; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:14:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p3 Message-ID: <20120712091406.20900.79488.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:14:06 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-04.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:14:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Information model for G.709 Optical Transport Networks (= OTN) Author(s) : Sergio Belotti Pietro Vittorio Grandi Daniele Ceccarelli Diego Caviglia Fatai Zhang Dan Li Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-04.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2012-07-12 Abstract: The recent revision of ITU-T recommendation G.709 [G.709-v3] has introduced new fixed and flexible ODU containers in Optical Transport Networks (OTNs), enabling optimized support for an increasingly abundant service mix. This document provides a model of information needed by the routing and signaling process in OTNs to support Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) control of all currently defined ODU containers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-04 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-04 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn Thu Jul 12 02:27:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D90B21F87A1; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:27:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -95.035 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-95.035 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, 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From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fatai Zhang References: <4FFB4CBD.6070308@labn.net> <4FFC3D35.5010801@labn.net> <4FFD81C6.7050200@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , Linyi Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogtPC4tDogVXBkYXRlcyBvbiBPVE4g?= =?gb2312?b?c2lnbmFsaW5nIGRyYWZ0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:48:12 -0000 Fatai, Sure get the document out. Given there will still be 2 weeks after that before the meeting, and that WG consensus must be achieved on the list, we should continue the discussion on the list (i.e., reply to my previous mail) once the draft is submitted and not wait for Vancouver. As I mentioned in my previous mail, the shift towards leveraging technology-independent GMPLS mechanisms to address intra-OTN H-LSP signaling is well aligned with the WG charter/objectives. I think we should try not to loose momentum by waiting for the meeting. Lou On 7/12/2012 2:25 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Lou, > > How about let me update the draft first, because I only have two > working days to update and submit a new version? :-) > > Let's discuss more in Vancouver meeting and get the WG consensus > there. > > Anyway, any changes should defer to the WG consensus, otherwise the > authors would like to continue to update the draft based on WG > consensus. > > Thanks > > Fatai > > > -----ʼԭ----- > : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > ʱ: 2012711 21:38 > ռ: Fatai Zhang > : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E Drake > : Re: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft > > Fatai, > It sounds you/the Authors are proposing/moving towards G-PID + MRN/MLN > to support intra-OTN H-LSPs. From a WG perspective, this is great as it > leverages/extends existing technology-independent GMPLS mechanisms. > > I think you may have missed a process point in my previous mail. > > As I'm sure you know, author's consensus does not mean there is WG > consensus. You say that there has been much (off-line) discussion among > the authors. While off-line discussions are always a fine way to make > progress among individuals, the results of private discussions do not > represent WG consensus. > > So from my previous mail: >> Can one of the authors summarize the [off-line author's] >> discussion for the WG? > > ... > >>> [Authors] The authors would like to focus on OTN specific by >>> removing Encoding type and Switching type in the Hierarchy TLV >>> (but keeping Signal Type). It is OK to have a new draft to cover >>> generic intra-technology MLN. >> >> How is the revised TLV to be used? Do the authors have a specific >> proposal that covers "generic intra-technology MLN"? > > Lou > > BTW The use of G-PID was first discussed in > draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-01 and Signal Type in John's mail > on 7/27/2011. > > On 7/11/2012 2:24 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >> Hi Lou, >> >> Let me repeat the requirement of this information. >> When an ODU (e.g., ODU1) with one specific TSG (because of the ingress interface constraint) needs to be created over another higher ODU (e.g., ODU3 FA-LSP), the penultimate hop of this ODU3 FA-LSP needs to be aware of which TSG should be picked up from the TE link (ie., choose the right component link which can support the client TSG), so the client TSG information (and hierarchy information) needs to be conveyed in the signaling to create the ODU FA-LSP. >> >> The requirement has been discussed in the previous IETF meetings, please get more information from the presentation slides of Taipei and Paris meetings. >> >> Given that people understand the above requirment, let's focus on the potential solutions. In Taipei meeting, the authors compared three alternatives and discussed in the list: >> (1) Introducing a new object: WG prefer to re-use the existing things, so the authors switched to (2). >> (2) Extending GPID to carry TSG/PT information: Lou once suggested this approach and the authors finally agreed on this because it is needed only for penultimate hop to select right link to egress. Note that TSG isn't needed for loose ERO expansion. >> (3) Extending Encoding Type: Encoding type is an end to end constraint (See RFC4328), so the authors think it is not the right place. >> >> Do we need to poll how many people support which approach perspectively (or any other approach)? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Fatai >> >> >> -----ʼԭ----- >> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> ʱ: 2012710 22:33 >> ռ: Fatai Zhang >> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E Drake >> : Re: : Updates on OTN signaling draft >> >> Fatai, >> >> See below for in-line responses. >> >> On 7/10/2012 5:34 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Lou, >>> >>> >>> >>> Please see in-line below. >>>> >>> >>> Note that lets use HTML format to make the mails readable, J >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Fatai >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----ʼԭ----- >>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> ʱ: 2012710 5:27 >>> ռ: Fatai Zhang >>> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; >>> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E Drake >>> : Re: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>> >>> >>> >>> [Woops, this was stuck in my outbox from last week!] >>> >>> >>> >>> Fatai/Authors, >>> >>> G-PID is a fine place to carry information about the format/type of information carried by an LSP. An important consideration is that G-PID information is not used as part of path computation, and is not used by transit nodes except in the case of the penultimate hop (for PHP). >>> >>> When we last discussed this, some authors stated that TSG was needed as part of path computation, including at transit nodes doing loose ERO expansion. Hence the discussed inclusion of TSG in LSP Encoding Type. >>> >>> If the authors are now willing to state that TSG isn't needed for loose ERO expansion, then G-PID seems the perfect choice. >>> >>> Do all the authors agree with such this statement (and change)? >> >>> [Authors] After lots of discussion, the authors came to conclude that it is needed only for penultimate hop to select right link to egress and hence the change. >> >> Can one of the authors summarize the discussion for the WG? >> >> The authors are asking for WG support, so should provide the technical basis for the position. Once the requirements are articulated, the WG can be in a position to judge/agree/disagree with the proposed solution. >> >>> >>> As I mentioned on the on the conference call, and my mail of 6/18, the use of G-PID as part of a path selection is really part of the general issue seen in MLN. On the call we agreed that non-OTN MLN will be handled as the standard MLN case, without OTN-specific additions. >>> >>> Unless I'm misreading your mail, you are *not* proposing to treat the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case as generic MLN but rather a special case by bundling some upper OTN hierarchy information as part of a lower H-LSPs (in Hierarchy TLV). >>> >>> Correct? >>> >>> [Authors] Correct, it is the latter one. >>> >>> If my reading is correct, then I think the authors need to discuss their technical reasons for their "preference" and why the previously reached compromise position (as articulated in my mail of 6/18) is not acceptable. >>> >>> [Authors] After checking after conf call, the authors think that Encoding type is an end to end constraint (See RFC4328) and GPID should be the right place as you mention above. >> >> This goes to requirements, in today's GMPLS G-PID is not part of path computation except in the context of MRN/MLN. >> >>> >>> Speaking only as an individual contributor, given the difficulty in reaching a consensus on how to treat intra-OTN (hierarchy) as a special case, I personally now prefer to avoid any technology specific co-mingling of layers and to address the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case via generic MLN (or other generic mechanisms). I think this position would translate to removing the Hierarchy TLV from the OTN signaling draft and spinning up a new draft to cover (OTN and generic) intra-technology MLN. >>> >>> [Authors] The authors would like to focus on OTN specific by removing Encoding type and Switching type in the Hierarchy TLV(but keeping Signal Type). It is OK to have a new draft to cover generic intra-technology MLN. >> >> How is the revised TLV to be used? Do the authors have a specific proposal that covers "generic intra-technology MLN"? >> >> Lou >> >>> >>> >>> Lou >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/5/2012 9:25 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi all, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> We are updating OTN signaling draft. Since we had lots of discussion on >>> the TSG stuff in the list, let's converge on the solution. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Based on the previous discussion between Lou and co-authors, the >>> authors prefer the following changes: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> (1) Extending GPID to carry TSG in signaling, since its purpose in >>> signaling is to ensure that endpoints of the LSP being signaled have a >>> consistent view of the TSG to be offered to its clients and LSP endpoint >>> consistency is the purpose for which the GPID was designed. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> (2)Extending LSPA to carry hierarchy information (ie., Type=2 Hierarchy >>> TLV). >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Any comments? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Fatai >>> From lberger@labn.net Thu Jul 12 07:30:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D49321F87B2 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -93.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-93.41 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.483, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id db-zgmiVjuyD for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 61B0121F87B0 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 17234 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2012 14:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2012 14:30:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=WnFUR6tR6AIoy/5rL4PNcBwKRUClFVMDzZeAHir2zXY=; b=MA1lhbtVGg+l6i2D1HMm2Mnfb+eZ3kpS8gb7GuIYFxXAAA18WE/Gbt7M4TVJbZGuoJw4YdiB4lcz8ubrdfSkjYNOJEYMb3oD6LjdUa0wPukSPIS1R1pHDD4Zw+Qa3dfp; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:54797 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SpKPb-0004za-6u; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:30:35 -0600 Message-ID: <4FFEDF8B.90003@labn.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 10:30:35 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fatai Zhang References: <4FFB4CBD.6070308@labn.net> <4FFC3D35.5010801@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A82A4DE9@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , Linyi Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogVXBkYXRlcyBvbiBPVE4gc2lnbmFs?= =?gb2312?b?aW5nIGRyYWZ0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:30:03 -0000 Fatai, I think I agree with John (as WG contributor). Why isn't the same issue present for non-bundled links when ERO expansion takes place at any place other than the ingress node? How does this issue differ from any MLN H-LSP? Lou On 7/11/2012 11:54 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > > > Hi John, > > > > I think TSG and hierarchy information really confused many people, which > causes the same questions will come out again after we explained many > times, :-) > > > > The simple way is to remove link bundling (or bundle the homogeneous > component links) in the routing, then all the issues disappear > immediately ( i.e., no need TSG and hierarchy information at all), > otherwise, it needs these two kinds of information in some cases. > > > > I really suspect the value of bundling in the GMPLS for TDM or WSON. I > think this is interesting point to be investigated, but it seems that > not too many people are interested, J > > > > Please see in-line below. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Fatai > > > > > > -----ʼԭ----- > : John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] > ʱ: 2012712 2:54 > ռ: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger > : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; > daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; > GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; > Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) > : RE: : Updates on OTN signaling draft > > > > Fatai, > > > > Is it not the case that *any* node, regardless of whether it is the > ingress node, an intermediate node, or the penultimate node, that > selects the interface for the egress LSP endpoint MUST ensure that that > interface has a TSG that is compatible with the TSG of interface for the > ingress LSP endpoint? > > > > [Fatai] There are two cases for TSG issue. One is for ODU service LSP > (carrying non-ODU) creation, the second one is ODU FA-LSP creation for > carrying another lower ODU. For the first case, the TSG can be > changeable segment by segment (link by link). For example, when an ODU1 > (to carry non-ODU) is being created over ODU3 link, the TSG could be > different link by link. For the second case, this is what we are talking > about with Lou; in this case, only end points and penultimate node need > to have the compatible TSG. > > > > Also, it occurs to me that hierarchy is not only unnecessary but > counter-productive in signaling. When one establishes an ODU3, for > example, that ODU3 may be used to instantiate multiple hierarchies, so > one does not want to specify a particular hierarchy. > > > > If one is establishing this ODU3 in order to eventually establish an > ODU0 LSP over an ODU2 LSP, then after the ODU3 is established, the ODU2 > would be signaled within the ODU3. Again, since the ODU2 might support > multiple hierarchies, one does not want to specify a particular hierarchy. > > > > Once the OUD2 is established, the ODU0 is signaled. Since it does not > support any further hierarchy, none is specified. > > > > [Fatai] Hierarchy information is necessary when bundling link is used. > For your example, ODU0->ODU2->ODU3, when creating ODU2 FA-LSP over ODU3 > links, ODU2 layer should be aware of that it should pick up the right > component link that can support ODU0 muxing (so the hierarchy ODU0->ODU2 > should be carried when creating ODU2 FA-LSP), otherwise, this arbitrary > ODU2 could be only support ODU1->ODU2, then ODU0 cannot be carried over > this ODU2 FA-LSP. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:25 PM > >> To: Lou Berger > >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; > >> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; > >> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; > >> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E > >> Drake > >> Subject: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft > >> > >> Hi Lou, > >> > >> Let me repeat the requirement of this information. > >> When an ODU (e.g., ODU1) with one specific TSG (because of the ingress > >> interface constraint) needs to be created over another higher ODU > >> (e.g., ODU3 FA-LSP), the penultimate hop of this ODU3 FA-LSP needs to > >> be aware of which TSG should be picked up from the TE link (ie., choose > >> the right component link which can support the client TSG), so the > >> client TSG information (and hierarchy information) needs to be conveyed > >> in the signaling to create the ODU FA-LSP. > >> > >> The requirement has been discussed in the previous IETF meetings, > >> please get more information from the presentation slides of Taipei and > >> Paris meetings. > >> > >> Given that people understand the above requirment, let's focus on the > >> potential solutions. In Taipei meeting, the authors compared three > >> alternatives and discussed in the list: > >> (1) Introducing a new object: WG prefer to re-use the existing things, > >> so the authors switched to (2). > >> (2) Extending GPID to carry TSG/PT information: Lou once suggested this > >> approach and the authors finally agreed on this because it is needed > >> only for penultimate hop to select right link to egress. Note that TSG > >> isn't needed for loose ERO expansion. > >> (3) Extending Encoding Type: Encoding type is an end to end constraint > >> (See RFC4328), so the authors think it is not the right place. > >> > >> Do we need to poll how many people support which approach perspectively > >> (or any other approach)? > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Fatai > >> > >> > >> -----ʼԭ----- > >> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > >> ʱ: 2012710 22:33 > >> ռ: Fatai Zhang > >> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; > >> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; > >> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; > >> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E > >> Drake > >> : Re: : Updates on OTN signaling draft > >> > >> Fatai, > >> > >> See below for in-line responses. > >> > >> On 7/10/2012 5:34 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi Lou, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Please see in-line below. > >> > > > >> > > >> > Note that lets use HTML format to make the mails readable, J > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Fatai > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----ʼԭ----- > >> > : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > >> > ʱ: 2012710 5:27 > >> > ռ: Fatai Zhang > >> > : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; > >> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; > >> > daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; > >> > GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); > >> > diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; > >> > BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E Drake > >> > : Re: Updates on OTN signaling draft > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [Woops, this was stuck in my outbox from last week!] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Fatai/Authors, > >> > > >> > G-PID is a fine place to carry information about the > >> format/type of information carried by an LSP. An important > >> consideration is that G-PID information is not used as part of path > >> computation, and is not used by transit nodes except in the case of the > >> penultimate hop (for PHP). > >> > > >> > When we last discussed this, some authors stated that TSG was needed > >> as part of path computation, including at transit nodes doing loose ERO > >> expansion. Hence the discussed inclusion of TSG in LSP Encoding Type. > >> > > >> > If the authors are now willing to state that TSG isn't needed for > >> loose ERO expansion, then G-PID seems the perfect choice. > >> > > >> > Do all the authors agree with such this statement (and change)? > >> > >> > [Authors] After lots of discussion, the authors came to conclude that > >> it is needed only for penultimate hop to select right link to egress > >> and hence the change. > >> > >> Can one of the authors summarize the discussion for the WG? > >> > >> The authors are asking for WG support, so should provide the technical > >> basis for the position. Once the requirements are articulated, the WG > >> can be in a position to judge/agree/disagree with the proposed > >> solution. > >> > >> > > >> > As I mentioned on the on the conference call, and my mail of 6/18, > >> the use of G-PID as part of a path selection is really part of the > >> general issue seen in MLN. On the call we agreed that non-OTN MLN will > >> be handled as the standard MLN case, without OTN-specific additions. > >> > > >> > Unless I'm misreading your mail, you are *not* proposing to treat the > >> intra-OTN (hierarchy) case as generic MLN but rather a special case by > >> bundling some upper OTN hierarchy information as part of a lower H-LSPs > >> (in Hierarchy TLV). > >> > > >> > Correct? > >> > > >> > [Authors] Correct, it is the latter one. > >> > > >> > If my reading is correct, then I think the authors need to discuss > >> their technical reasons for their "preference" and why the previously > >> reached compromise position (as articulated in my mail of 6/18) is not > >> acceptable. > >> > > >> > [Authors] After checking after conf call, the authors think that > >> Encoding type is an end to end constraint (See RFC4328) and GPID should > >> be the right place as you mention above. > >> > >> This goes to requirements, in today's GMPLS G-PID is not part of path > >> computation except in the context of MRN/MLN. > >> > >> > > >> > Speaking only as an individual contributor, given the difficulty in > >> reaching a consensus on how to treat intra-OTN (hierarchy) as a special > >> case, I personally now prefer to avoid any technology specific co- > >> mingling of layers and to address the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case via > >> generic MLN (or other generic mechanisms). I think this position would > >> translate to removing the Hierarchy TLV from the OTN signaling draft > >> and spinning up a new draft to cover (OTN and generic) intra-technology > >> MLN. > >> > > >> > [Authors] The authors would like to focus on OTN specific by removing > >> Encoding type and Switching type in the Hierarchy TLV(but keeping > >> Signal Type). It is OK to have a new draft to cover generic intra- > >> technology MLN. > >> > >> How is the revised TLV to be used? Do the authors have a specific > >> proposal that covers "generic intra-technology MLN"? > >> > >> Lou > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > Lou > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 7/5/2012 9:25 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> Hi all, > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> We are updating OTN signaling draft. Since we had lots of discussion > >> >> on > >> > the TSG stuff in the list, let's converge on the solution. > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> Based on the previous discussion between Lou and co-authors, the > >> > authors prefer the following changes: > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> (1) Extending GPID to carry TSG in signaling, since its purpose in > >> > signaling is to ensure that endpoints of the LSP being signaled have > >> a > >> > consistent view of the TSG to be offered to its clients and LSP > >> > endpoint consistency is the purpose for which the GPID was designed. > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> (2)Extending LSPA to carry hierarchy information (ie., Type=2 > >> >> Hierarchy > >> > TLV). > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> Any comments? > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> Thanks > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> Fatai > >> > > From ogondio@tid.es Thu Jul 12 09:07:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost 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From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent:<= /b> Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:54 PM
To: John E Drake; Lou Berger=
Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com= .cn; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRA= NDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan = Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
Subject: = =B4= =F0=B8=B4: =B4=F0=B8=B4: Updates on OTN signaling draft

&= nbsp;

Hi John,

 

I think TSG and hie= rarchy information really confused many people, which causes the same quest= ions will come out again after we explained many times, :-)

=

 

The si= mple way is to remove link bundling (or bundle the homogeneous component li= nks) in the routing, then all the issues disappear immediately ( i.e., no n= eed TSG and hierarchy information at all), otherwise, it needs these two ki= nds of information in some cases.

 

I really suspect the value of bun= dling in the GMPLS for TDM or WSON. I think this is interesting point to be= investigated, but it seems that not too many people are interested, J

 

Please see in-line below.<= o:p>

 

 

 

<= p class=3DMsoPlainText>Thanks

&n= bsp;

Fatai

 

 

-----= =D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE-----
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2012=C4=EA7=D4=C212=C8=D5 2:54
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger
=B3=AD=CB=CD: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; L= inyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.c= n; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI,= SERGIO (SERGIO)
=D6=F7= =CC=E2: RE: =B4=F0= =B8=B4: Updates on OTN signaling draft

 

Fatai,

=

 

Is it = not the case that *any* node, regardless of whether it is the ingress node,= an intermediate node, or the penultimate node, that selects the interface = for the egress LSP endpoint MUST ensure that that interface has a TSG that = is compatible with the TSG of interface for the ingress LSP endpoint?<= /o:p>

 

[Fatai]= There are two cases for TSG issue. One is for ODU service LSP (carrying no= n-ODU) creation, the second one is ODU FA-LSP creation for carrying another= lower ODU. For the first case, the TSG can be changeable segment by segmen= t (link by link). For example, when an ODU1 (to carry non-ODU) is being cre= ated over ODU3 link, the TSG could be different link by link. For the secon= d case, this is what we are talking about with Lou; in this case, only end = points and penultimate node need to have the compatible TSG.

 

JD:  I am talking about the second case as= well.  The issue is that the endpoints of a hierarchical LSP need to = be the same wrt TSG.  Therefore, the node that selects egress LSP inte= rface must ensure this.  In most cases this is the ingress node, howev= er, it can be any node along LSP=A1=AFs path including the penultimate node= .  To keep insisting that it is only an issue for the penultimate node= is incorrect.

 

Also, it o= ccurs to me that hierarchy is not only unnecessary but counter-productive i= n signaling.  When one establishes an ODU3, for example, that ODU3 may= be used to instantiate multiple hierarchies, so one does not want to speci= fy a particular hierarchy.

 = ;

If one is establishing this ODU3 in orde= r to eventually establish an ODU0 LSP over an ODU2 LSP, then after the ODU3= is established, the ODU2 would be signaled within the ODU3.  Again, s= ince the ODU2 might support multiple hierarchies, one does not want to spec= ify a particular hierarchy.

&nbs= p;

Once the OUD2 is established, the ODU0 = is signaled.  Since it does not support any further hierarchy, none is= specified.

 

[Fatai] Hierarchy informa= tion is necessary when bundling link is used. For your example, ODU0->OD= U2->ODU3, when creating ODU2 FA-LSP over ODU3 links, ODU2 layer should b= e aware of that it should pick up the right component link that can support= ODU0 muxing (so the hierarchy ODU0->ODU2 should be carried when creatin= g ODU2 FA-LSP), otherwise, this arbitrary ODU2 could be only support ODU1-&= gt;ODU2, then ODU0 cannot be carried over this ODU2 FA-LSP.

 

JD:  Hierarchy is unnecessary in signaling a= s I indicated in my example, above.

 

Thanks,

 

John

 

Sent from my i= Phone

 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]

&g= t; Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:25 PM

> To: Lou Berger

> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn= ;

> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn;

> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO)= ; diego.caviglia@ericsson.co= m;

> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO= (SERGIO); John E

> Drake

> Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: =B4=F0=B8=B4: Updates on OTN signaling draft

>

> = Hi Lou,

>

> Let me repeat the requirement of this information.

> When an ODU (e.g., ODU1) with one s= pecific TSG (because of the ingress

&= gt; interface constraint) needs to be created over another higher ODU<= /o:p>

> (e.g., ODU3 FA-LSP), the penultimate = hop of this ODU3 FA-LSP needs to

>= be aware of which TSG should be picked up from the TE link (ie., choose

> the right component link which can= support the client TSG), so the

>= client TSG information (and hierarchy information) needs to be conveyed

> in the signaling to create the ODU= FA-LSP.

>

> The requirement has been discussed in the previous IET= F meetings,

> please get more info= rmation from the presentation slides of Taipei and

> Paris meetings.

= >

> Given that people understa= nd the above requirment, let's focus on the

> potential solutions. In Taipei meeting, the authors compared th= ree

> alternatives and discussed i= n the list:

> (1) Introducing a ne= w object: WG prefer to re-use the existing things,

> so the authors switched to (2).

> (2) Extending GPID to carry TSG/PT information: Lou on= ce suggested this

> approach and t= he authors finally agreed on this because it is needed

> only for penultimate hop to select right link to egr= ess. Note that TSG

> isn't needed = for loose ERO expansion.

> (3) Ext= ending Encoding Type: Encoding type is an end to end constraint<= /p>

> (See RFC4328), so the authors think it is n= ot the right place.

> <= /p>

> Do we need to poll how many people support = which approach perspectively

> (or= any other approach)?

>

>

&g= t;

> Thanks

>

> Fatai

>

>

> -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE-----

> =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]

> =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC= =E4: 2012=C4=EA7=D4=C210=C8=D5 22:33

> = =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Fatai Zhang

> =B3=AD=CB=CD:= ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.c= n;

> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn;=

> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITT= ORIO); diego.caviglia@ericss= on.com;

> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI,= SERGIO (SERGIO); John E

> Drake

> =D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: =B4=F0=B8=B4: Updates on OTN signaling draft=

>

>= ; Fatai,

>

> See below for in-line responses.

>

> On 7/10/2= 012 5:34 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote:

> = >

> >

> > Hi Lou,

>= ; >

> >

> >

> >= Please see in-line below.

> > = >

> >

> > Note that let=A1=AFs use HTML format to make the mails readable, J

> >

> >

> >

=

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

&g= t; > Fatai

> >

> >

&g= t; >

> >

> >

> >= ; -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD= =BC=FE-----

> > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Lou Berg= er [mailto:lberger@labn.net]

> > =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2012=C4=EA7=D4=C210= =C8=D5 5:27

> > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Fatai Zh= ang

> > =B3=AD=CB=CD: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan;

> zhangguoying@ma= il.ritt.com.cn;

> > daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com= ; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.rit= t.com.cn;

> > GRANDI, PIETR= O VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO);

> &g= t; diego.caviglia@ericsson.c= om; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@adv= aoptical.com;

> > BELOTTI, = SERGIO (SERGIO); John E Drake

> &g= t; =D6=F7=CC=E2: Re:= Updates on OTN signaling draft

> = >

> >

> >

> > [= Woops, this was stuck in my outbox from last week!]

> >

> >

> >

> > Fatai/Authors,

&g= t; >

> >   &n= bsp;      G-PID is a fine place to carry informati= on about the

> format/type of info= rmation carried by an LSP. An important

> consideration is that G-PID information is not used as part of path=

> computation, and is not used by= transit nodes except in the case of the

> penultimate hop (for PHP).

&= gt; >

> > When we last discu= ssed this, some authors stated that TSG was needed

> as part of path computation, including at transit node= s doing loose ERO

> expansion.&nbs= p; Hence the discussed inclusion of TSG in LSP Encoding Type.

> >

&g= t; > If the authors are now willing to state that TSG isn't needed for

> loose ERO expansion, then G-PID s= eems the perfect choice.

> >

> > Do all the authors agree with= such this statement (and change)?

&g= t;

> > [Authors] After lots of= discussion, the authors came to conclude that

> it is needed only for penultimate hop to select right link t= o egress

> and hence the change.

>

> Can one of the authors summarize the discussion for the WG?=

>

> The authors are asking for WG support, so should provide the techni= cal

> basis for the position. Once= the requirements are articulated, the WG

> can be in a position to judge/agree/disagree with the proposed

> solution.

>

> ><= /o:p>

> > As I mentioned on the on the con= ference call, and my mail of 6/18,

&g= t; the use of G-PID as part of a path selection is really part of the<= /o:p>

> general issue seen in MLN. On the cal= l we agreed that non-OTN MLN will

>= ; be handled as the standard MLN case, without OTN-specific additions.=

> >

> > Unless I'm misreading your mail, you are *not* proposing t= o treat the

> intra-OTN (hierarchy= ) case as generic MLN but rather a special case by

> bundling some upper OTN hierarchy information as part = of a lower H-LSPs

> (in Hierarchy = TLV).

> >

> > Correct?

&= gt; >

> > [Authors] Correct,= it is the latter one.

> >=

> > If my reading is correct, then = I think the authors need to discuss

&= gt; their technical reasons for their "preference" and why the pr= eviously

> reached compromise posi= tion (as articulated in my mail of 6/18) is not

> acceptable.

> >=

> > [Authors] After checking a= fter conf call, the authors think that

> Encoding type is an end to end constraint (See RFC4328) and GPID sho= uld

> be the right place as you me= ntion above.

>

> This goes to requirements, in today's GMPLS G-PID = is not part of path

> computation = except in the context of MRN/MLN.

>= ;

> >

> > Speaking only as an individual contributor, given= the difficulty in

> reaching a co= nsensus on how to treat intra-OTN (hierarchy) as a special

> case, I personally now prefer to avoid any techn= ology specific co-

> mingling of l= ayers and to address the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case via

> generic MLN (or other generic mechanisms).  I = think this position would

> transl= ate to removing the Hierarchy TLV from the OTN signaling draft

> and spinning up a new draft to cover (OTN an= d generic) intra-technology

> MLN.=

> >

> > [Authors] The authors would like to focus on OTN spec= ific by removing

> Encoding type a= nd Switching type in the Hierarchy TLV(but keeping

> Signal Type). It is OK to have a new draft to cover ge= neric intra-

> technology MLN.

>

> How is the revised TLV to be used?  Do the authors have a spe= cific

> proposal that covers "= ;generic intra-technology MLN"?

= >

> Lou

>

> ><= /o:p>

> >

> > Lou

> >

> >

> >

> > On 7/5/2012 9= :25 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote:

> ><= o:p>

> >>

> >

> >&g= t; Hi all,

> >

> >>

&= gt; >

> >> We are updatin= g OTN signaling draft. Since we had lots of discussion

> >> on

&g= t; > the TSG stuff in the list, let's converge on the solution.

> >

> >>

> >=

> >> Based on the previous discussion = between Lou and co-authors, the

> = > authors prefer the following changes:

> >

> >>

> >

> >> (1) Extending GPID to carry TSG in signaling, since its p= urpose in

> > signaling is to e= nsure that endpoints of the LSP being signaled have

> a

> > cons= istent view of the TSG to be offered to its clients and LSP

<= p class=3DMsoPlainText>> > endpoint consistency is the purpose for wh= ich the GPID was designed.

> ><= o:p>

> >>

> >

> >&g= t; (2)Extending LSPA to carry hierarchy information (ie., Type=3D2

> >> Hierarchy

> > TLV).

>= >

> >>

> >

> &= gt;> Any comments?

> ><= /o:p>

> >>

> >

> >> Tha= nks

> >

> >>

> &g= t;

> >> Fatai

=

> >

= --_000_5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A83D81DEEMBX01HQjnprn_-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Jul 12 20:48:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C869C21F84F5; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:48:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.497 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.497 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.102, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dqDFpFnDxq6m; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFA221F84EC; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:48:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p3 Message-ID: <20120713034805.4105.28662.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:48:05 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-03.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 03:48:05 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signa= ling Extensions for the evolving G.709 Optical Transport Networks Control Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Guoying Zhang Sergio Belotti Daniele Ceccarelli Khuzema Pithewan Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-03.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2012-07-12 Abstract: Recent progress in ITU-T Recommendation G.709 standardization has introduced new ODU containers (ODU0, ODU4, ODU2e and ODUflex) and enhanced Optical Transport Networking (OTN) flexibility. Several recent documents have proposed ways to modify GMPLS signaling protocols to support these new OTN features. It is important that a single solution is developed for use in GMPLS signaling and routing protocols. This solution must support ODUk multiplexing capabilities, address all of the new features, be acceptable to all equipment vendors, and be extensible considering continued OTN evolution. This document describes the extensions to the Generalized Multi- Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) signaling to control the evolving Optical Transport Networks (OTN) addressing ODUk multiplexing and new features including ODU0, ODU4, ODU2e and ODUflex. 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lberger@labn.net} Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , Linyi , "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogVXBkYXRlcyBvbiBPVE4gc2lnbmFs?= =?gb2312?b?aW5nIGRyYWZ0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:50:43 -0000 Daniele, On 7/13/2012 8:37 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Hi all, > > bundling is not a problem IMHO, as the OTN ID already states that: > > " A single ISCD MAY be used for the advertisement of unbundled or > bundled links supporting homogeneous multiplexing hierarchies and the > same Tributary Slot Granularity (TSG). A different ISCD MUST be used > for each different muxing hierarchy (muxing tree in the following > examples) and different TSG supported within the TE Link, if it > includes component links with differing characteristics. " > Thanks. Was just about to point to my comment saying the same in mail to the list on 10/4/11. > A penultimate node (being it the last hop of the path or the first node of an H-LSP teminating on the same egress node of the LSP) needs to know 2 things: > > 1. what is "being carried" > 2. what the link or the H-LSP towards the egress node can support/terminate > > The problem is not 2, as it is perfectly know. What needs to be put is signaling is 1. in order to provide the node with the information required to choose the correct TE link/H-LSP among the ones whose 2. is perfectly known. > So what do you believe is needed to support 1? How does this differ than what is needed for generic MLN? Thanks, Lou > Thanks > Daniele > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] >> Sent: venerd 13 luglio 2012 12.04 >> To: Lou Berger >> Cc: John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Daniele Ceccarelli; Linyi; >> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; >> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Fatai Zhang >> Subject: : : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >> >> Hi Lou, >> >> For bundling link, it just shows the collection capability of >> all the component links and it cannot differentiate which >> component can support which capability. >> >> For example, a TE link with two component links ( one can >> support A (e.g., TSG=1.25) and another one can support B >> (TSG=2.5G)), and then the TE link will claim that it can >> support both A&B. When an LSP needs to pick up A of the TE >> link, we have to indicate A in the signaling explicitly to >> make the corresponding nodes to pick up the correct component >> link with capability A. >> >> If no bunding, everything about the TE link (actually it only >> has one component link) has been advertised, so the path >> computation can make the correct choice (ERO can indicate the >> correct TE link (ie., component link)). >> >> Does this make sense? >> >> Thanks >> >> Fatai >> >> >> -----ʼԭ----- >> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> ʱ: 2012712 22:31 >> ռ: Fatai Zhang >> : John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; >> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >> VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; >> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >> : Re: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >> >> Fatai, >> I think I agree with John (as WG contributor). >> >> Why isn't the same issue present for non-bundled links when >> ERO expansion takes place at any place other than the ingress node? >> >> How does this issue differ from any MLN H-LSP? >> >> Lou >> >> On 7/11/2012 11:54 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> >>> >>> I think TSG and hierarchy information really confused many people, >>> which causes the same questions will come out again after we >> explained >>> many times, :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> The simple way is to remove link bundling (or bundle the homogeneous >>> component links) in the routing, then all the issues disappear >>> immediately ( i.e., no need TSG and hierarchy information at all), >>> otherwise, it needs these two kinds of information in some cases. >>> >>> >>> >>> I really suspect the value of bundling in the GMPLS for TDM >> or WSON. I >>> think this is interesting point to be investigated, but it >> seems that >>> not too many people are interested, J >>> >>> >>> >>> Please see in-line below. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Fatai >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----ʼԭ----- >>> : John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>> ʱ: 2012712 2:54 >>> ռ: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>> : RE: : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>> >>> >>> >>> Fatai, >>> >>> >>> >>> Is it not the case that *any* node, regardless of whether it is the >>> ingress node, an intermediate node, or the penultimate node, that >>> selects the interface for the egress LSP endpoint MUST ensure that >>> that interface has a TSG that is compatible with the TSG of >> interface >>> for the ingress LSP endpoint? >>> >>> >>> >>> [Fatai] There are two cases for TSG issue. One is for ODU >> service LSP >>> (carrying non-ODU) creation, the second one is ODU FA-LSP >> creation for >>> carrying another lower ODU. For the first case, the TSG can be >>> changeable segment by segment (link by link). For example, when an >>> ODU1 (to carry non-ODU) is being created over ODU3 link, the >> TSG could >>> be different link by link. For the second case, this is what we are >>> talking about with Lou; in this case, only end points and >> penultimate >>> node need to have the compatible TSG. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, it occurs to me that hierarchy is not only unnecessary but >>> counter-productive in signaling. When one establishes an ODU3, for >>> example, that ODU3 may be used to instantiate multiple >> hierarchies, so >>> one does not want to specify a particular hierarchy. >>> >>> >>> >>> If one is establishing this ODU3 in order to eventually establish an >>> ODU0 LSP over an ODU2 LSP, then after the ODU3 is established, the >>> ODU2 would be signaled within the ODU3. Again, since the ODU2 might >>> support multiple hierarchies, one does not want to specify a >> particular hierarchy. >>> >>> >>> >>> Once the OUD2 is established, the ODU0 is signaled. Since >> it does not >>> support any further hierarchy, none is specified. >>> >>> >>> >>> [Fatai] Hierarchy information is necessary when bundling >> link is used. >>> For your example, ODU0->ODU2->ODU3, when creating ODU2 FA-LSP over >>> ODU3 links, ODU2 layer should be aware of that it should pick up the >>> right component link that can support ODU0 muxing (so the hierarchy >>> ODU0->ODU2 should be carried when creating ODU2 FA-LSP), otherwise, >>> this arbitrary >>> ODU2 could be only support ODU1->ODU2, then ODU0 cannot be carried >>> over this ODU2 FA-LSP. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>>> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] >>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:25 PM >>> >>>> To: Lou Berger >>> >>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>> >>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>> >>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; >>> >>>> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >> (SERGIO); John E >>> >>>> Drake >>> >>>> Subject: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi Lou, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Let me repeat the requirement of this information. >>> >>>> When an ODU (e.g., ODU1) with one specific TSG (because of the >>>> ingress >>> >>>> interface constraint) needs to be created over another higher ODU >>> >>>> (e.g., ODU3 FA-LSP), the penultimate hop of this ODU3 >> FA-LSP needs to >>> >>>> be aware of which TSG should be picked up from the TE link (ie., >>>> choose >>> >>>> the right component link which can support the client TSG), so the >>> >>>> client TSG information (and hierarchy information) needs to be >>>> conveyed >>> >>>> in the signaling to create the ODU FA-LSP. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The requirement has been discussed in the previous IETF meetings, >>> >>>> please get more information from the presentation slides of Taipei >>>> and >>> >>>> Paris meetings. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Given that people understand the above requirment, let's >> focus on the >>> >>>> potential solutions. In Taipei meeting, the authors compared three >>> >>>> alternatives and discussed in the list: >>> >>>> (1) Introducing a new object: WG prefer to re-use the existing >>>> things, >>> >>>> so the authors switched to (2). >>> >>>> (2) Extending GPID to carry TSG/PT information: Lou once suggested >>>> this >>> >>>> approach and the authors finally agreed on this because it is needed >>> >>>> only for penultimate hop to select right link to egress. Note that >>>> TSG >>> >>>> isn't needed for loose ERO expansion. >>> >>>> (3) Extending Encoding Type: Encoding type is an end to end >>>> constraint >>> >>>> (See RFC4328), so the authors think it is not the right place. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Do we need to poll how many people support which approach >>>> perspectively >>> >>>> (or any other approach)? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Fatai >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>> >>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> >>>> ʱ: 2012710 22:33 >>> >>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang >>> >>>> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>> >>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>> >>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; >>> >>>> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >> (SERGIO); John E >>> >>>> Drake >>> >>>> : Re: : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Fatai, >>> >>>> >>> >>>> See below for in-line responses. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 7/10/2012 5:34 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Hi Lou, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Please see in-line below. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Note that lets use HTML format to make the mails readable, J >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Thanks >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Fatai >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>> >>>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> >>>>> ʱ: 2012710 5:27 >>> >>>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang >>> >>>>> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>> >>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>> >>>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>> >>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>> >>>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>> >>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E Drake >>> >>>>> : Re: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> [Woops, this was stuck in my outbox from last week!] >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Fatai/Authors, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> G-PID is a fine place to carry information about the >>> >>>> format/type of information carried by an LSP. An important >>> >>>> consideration is that G-PID information is not used as part of path >>> >>>> computation, and is not used by transit nodes except in the case of >>>> the >>> >>>> penultimate hop (for PHP). >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> When we last discussed this, some authors stated that TSG was >>>>> needed >>> >>>> as part of path computation, including at transit nodes doing loose >>>> ERO >>> >>>> expansion. Hence the discussed inclusion of TSG in LSP >> Encoding Type. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> If the authors are now willing to state that TSG isn't needed for >>> >>>> loose ERO expansion, then G-PID seems the perfect choice. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Do all the authors agree with such this statement (and change)? >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> [Authors] After lots of discussion, the authors came to conclude >>>>> that >>> >>>> it is needed only for penultimate hop to select right link to egress >>> >>>> and hence the change. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Can one of the authors summarize the discussion for the WG? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The authors are asking for WG support, so should provide the >>>> technical >>> >>>> basis for the position. Once the requirements are >> articulated, the WG >>> >>>> can be in a position to judge/agree/disagree with the proposed >>> >>>> solution. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> As I mentioned on the on the conference call, and my mail of 6/18, >>> >>>> the use of G-PID as part of a path selection is really part of the >>> >>>> general issue seen in MLN. On the call we agreed that non-OTN MLN >>>> will >>> >>>> be handled as the standard MLN case, without OTN-specific additions. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Unless I'm misreading your mail, you are *not* proposing to treat >>>>> the >>> >>>> intra-OTN (hierarchy) case as generic MLN but rather a special case >>>> by >>> >>>> bundling some upper OTN hierarchy information as part of a lower >>>> H-LSPs >>> >>>> (in Hierarchy TLV). >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Correct? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> [Authors] Correct, it is the latter one. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> If my reading is correct, then I think the authors need to discuss >>> >>>> their technical reasons for their "preference" and why the >> previously >>> >>>> reached compromise position (as articulated in my mail of 6/18) is >>>> not >>> >>>> acceptable. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> [Authors] After checking after conf call, the authors think that >>> >>>> Encoding type is an end to end constraint (See RFC4328) and GPID >>>> should >>> >>>> be the right place as you mention above. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> This goes to requirements, in today's GMPLS G-PID is not >> part of path >>> >>>> computation except in the context of MRN/MLN. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Speaking only as an individual contributor, given the >> difficulty in >>> >>>> reaching a consensus on how to treat intra-OTN (hierarchy) as a >>>> special >>> >>>> case, I personally now prefer to avoid any technology specific co- >>> >>>> mingling of layers and to address the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case via >>> >>>> generic MLN (or other generic mechanisms). I think this position >>>> would >>> >>>> translate to removing the Hierarchy TLV from the OTN signaling draft >>> >>>> and spinning up a new draft to cover (OTN and generic) >>>> intra-technology >>> >>>> MLN. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> [Authors] The authors would like to focus on OTN specific by >>>>> removing >>> >>>> Encoding type and Switching type in the Hierarchy TLV(but keeping >>> >>>> Signal Type). It is OK to have a new draft to cover generic intra- >>> >>>> technology MLN. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> How is the revised TLV to be used? Do the authors have a specific >>> >>>> proposal that covers "generic intra-technology MLN"? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Lou >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Lou >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 7/5/2012 9:25 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> We are updating OTN signaling draft. Since we had lots of >>>>>> discussion >>> >>>>>> on >>> >>>>> the TSG stuff in the list, let's converge on the solution. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Based on the previous discussion between Lou and co-authors, the >>> >>>>> authors prefer the following changes: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> (1) Extending GPID to carry TSG in signaling, since its >> purpose in >>> >>>>> signaling is to ensure that endpoints of the LSP being signaled >>>>> have >>> >>>> a >>> >>>>> consistent view of the TSG to be offered to its clients and LSP >>> >>>>> endpoint consistency is the purpose for which the GPID >> was designed. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> (2)Extending LSPA to carry hierarchy information (ie., Type=2 >>> >>>>>> Hierarchy >>> >>>>> TLV). >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Any comments? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Thanks >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Fatai >>> >>>>> >>> >> From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Fri Jul 13 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"zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , Linyi , "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogVXBkYXRlcyBvbiBPVE4gc2lnbmFs?= =?gb2312?b?aW5nIGRyYWZ0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:03:28 -0000 TG91LA0KDQpbLi4uXQ0KPg0KPlNvIHdoYXQgZG8geW91IGJlbGlldmUgaXMgbmVlZGVkIHRvIHN1 cHBvcnQgMT8NCj4NCj5Ib3cgZG9lcyB0aGlzIGRpZmZlciB0aGFuIHdoYXQgaXMgbmVlZGVkIGZv ciBnZW5lcmljIE1MTj8NCj4NCj5UaGFua3MsDQo+TG91DQo+DQoNCldoYXQgaXMgbmVlZGVkIGlu IE9UTiBpczoNCkEpIFRTRw0KQikgSGllcmFyY2h5IChpIG11c3QgYmUgaG9uZXN0LCBpIHNob3Vs ZCByZS10aGluayBhYm91dCBpdCBiZWNhdXNlIGkgZG9uJ3QgcmVtZW1iZXIgd2h5IGl0IGlzIG5l ZWRlZCBidXQgaSdtIHN1cmUgd2UgY2FtZSB0byB0aGUgY29uY2x1c2lvbiBpdCBpcyBuZWVkKQ0K DQpXaGF0IGlzIG5lZWRlZCBpbiBNTE4gaXMgYWxzbzoNCkMpIGFkYXB0YXRpb24gaW5mb3JtYXRp 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<5000304B.3080007@labn.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:27:23 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniele Ceccarelli References: <4FFB4CBD.6070308@labn.net> <4FFC3D35.5010801@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A82A4DE9@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FFEDF8B.90003@labn.net> <500019A7.7060203@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , Linyi , "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogVXBkYXRlcyBvbiBPVE4gc2lnbmFs?= =?gb2312?b?aW5nIGRyYWZ0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:27:17 -0000 Daniele, On 7/13/2012 9:04 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Lou, > > [...] >> >> So what do you believe is needed to support 1? >> >> How does this differ than what is needed for generic MLN? >> >> Thanks, >> Lou >> > > What is needed in OTN is: > A) TSG And this is covered in the current (MRN/MLN-aligned) proposal via G-PID, right? > B) Hierarchy (i must be honest, i should re-think about it because i don't remember why it is needed but i'm sure we came to the conclusion it is need) > Given the current discussion (including John's comments) it would be good to understand what purpose this serves and how it differs from what is needed to satisfy your next point. > What is needed in MLN is also: > C) adaptation information (not needed in intra-OTN as there is a 1:1 relationship for any mapping) Presumably this is the focus of draft-bcg-ccamp-gmpls-ml-implications-00, right? Thanks, Lou > > Thanks > Daniele > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] >>>> Sent: venerd 13 luglio 2012 12.04 >>>> To: Lou Berger >>>> Cc: John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Daniele Ceccarelli; Linyi; >>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >> VITTORIO); >>>> Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >> BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>> (SERGIO); Fatai Zhang >>>> Subject: : : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>> >>>> Hi Lou, >>>> >>>> For bundling link, it just shows the collection capability >> of all the >>>> component links and it cannot differentiate which component can >>>> support which capability. >>>> >>>> For example, a TE link with two component links ( one can support A >>>> (e.g., TSG=1.25) and another one can support B >> (TSG=2.5G)), and then >>>> the TE link will claim that it can support both A&B. When an LSP >>>> needs to pick up A of the TE link, we have to indicate A in the >>>> signaling explicitly to make the corresponding nodes to pick up the >>>> correct component link with capability A. >>>> >>>> If no bunding, everything about the TE link (actually it >> only has one >>>> component link) has been advertised, so the path >> computation can make >>>> the correct choice (ERO can indicate the correct TE link (ie., >>>> component link)). >>>> >>>> Does this make sense? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Fatai >>>> >>>> >>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>> ʱ: 2012712 22:31 >>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang >>>> : John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; >>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>> VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; >>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>> : Re: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>> >>>> Fatai, >>>> I think I agree with John (as WG contributor). >>>> >>>> Why isn't the same issue present for non-bundled links when ERO >>>> expansion takes place at any place other than the ingress node? >>>> >>>> How does this issue differ from any MLN H-LSP? >>>> >>>> Lou >>>> >>>> On 7/11/2012 11:54 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi John, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think TSG and hierarchy information really confused many people, >>>>> which causes the same questions will come out again after we >>>> explained >>>>> many times, :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The simple way is to remove link bundling (or bundle the >> homogeneous >>>>> component links) in the routing, then all the issues disappear >>>>> immediately ( i.e., no need TSG and hierarchy information at all), >>>>> otherwise, it needs these two kinds of information in some cases. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I really suspect the value of bundling in the GMPLS for TDM >>>> or WSON. I >>>>> think this is interesting point to be investigated, but it >>>> seems that >>>>> not too many people are interested, J >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please see in-line below. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Fatai >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>>> : John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>>>> ʱ: 2012712 2:54 >>>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>>> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>> : RE: : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Fatai, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is it not the case that *any* node, regardless of whether >> it is the >>>>> ingress node, an intermediate node, or the penultimate node, that >>>>> selects the interface for the egress LSP endpoint MUST ensure that >>>>> that interface has a TSG that is compatible with the TSG of >>>> interface >>>>> for the ingress LSP endpoint? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [Fatai] There are two cases for TSG issue. One is for ODU >>>> service LSP >>>>> (carrying non-ODU) creation, the second one is ODU FA-LSP >>>> creation for >>>>> carrying another lower ODU. For the first case, the TSG can be >>>>> changeable segment by segment (link by link). For example, when an >>>>> ODU1 (to carry non-ODU) is being created over ODU3 link, the >>>> TSG could >>>>> be different link by link. For the second case, this is >> what we are >>>>> talking about with Lou; in this case, only end points and >>>> penultimate >>>>> node need to have the compatible TSG. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also, it occurs to me that hierarchy is not only unnecessary but >>>>> counter-productive in signaling. When one establishes an >> ODU3, for >>>>> example, that ODU3 may be used to instantiate multiple >>>> hierarchies, so >>>>> one does not want to specify a particular hierarchy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If one is establishing this ODU3 in order to eventually >> establish an >>>>> ODU0 LSP over an ODU2 LSP, then after the ODU3 is established, the >>>>> ODU2 would be signaled within the ODU3. Again, since the >> ODU2 might >>>>> support multiple hierarchies, one does not want to specify a >>>> particular hierarchy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Once the OUD2 is established, the ODU0 is signaled. Since >>>> it does not >>>>> support any further hierarchy, none is specified. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [Fatai] Hierarchy information is necessary when bundling >>>> link is used. >>>>> For your example, ODU0->ODU2->ODU3, when creating ODU2 FA-LSP over >>>>> ODU3 links, ODU2 layer should be aware of that it should >> pick up the >>>>> right component link that can support ODU0 muxing (so the hierarchy >>>>> ODU0->ODU2 should be carried when creating ODU2 FA-LSP), otherwise, >>>>> this arbitrary >>>>> ODU2 could be only support ODU1->ODU2, then ODU0 cannot be carried >>>>> over this ODU2 FA-LSP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] >>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:25 PM >>>>> >>>>>> To: Lou Berger >>>>> >>>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>> >>>>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>> >>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; >>>>> >>>>>> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>> (SERGIO); John E >>>>> >>>>>> Drake >>>>> >>>>>> Subject: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Let me repeat the requirement of this information. >>>>> >>>>>> When an ODU (e.g., ODU1) with one specific TSG (because of the >>>>>> ingress >>>>> >>>>>> interface constraint) needs to be created over another higher ODU >>>>> >>>>>> (e.g., ODU3 FA-LSP), the penultimate hop of this ODU3 >>>> FA-LSP needs to >>>>> >>>>>> be aware of which TSG should be picked up from the TE link (ie., >>>>>> choose >>>>> >>>>>> the right component link which can support the client TSG), so the >>>>> >>>>>> client TSG information (and hierarchy information) needs to be >>>>>> conveyed >>>>> >>>>>> in the signaling to create the ODU FA-LSP. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The requirement has been discussed in the previous IETF meetings, >>>>> >>>>>> please get more information from the presentation slides >> of Taipei >>>>>> and >>>>> >>>>>> Paris meetings. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Given that people understand the above requirment, let's >>>> focus on the >>>>> >>>>>> potential solutions. In Taipei meeting, the authors compared three >>>>> >>>>>> alternatives and discussed in the list: >>>>> >>>>>> (1) Introducing a new object: WG prefer to re-use the existing >>>>>> things, >>>>> >>>>>> so the authors switched to (2). >>>>> >>>>>> (2) Extending GPID to carry TSG/PT information: Lou once >> suggested >>>>>> this >>>>> >>>>>> approach and the authors finally agreed on this because it is >>>>>> needed >>>>> >>>>>> only for penultimate hop to select right link to egress. >> Note that >>>>>> TSG >>>>> >>>>>> isn't needed for loose ERO expansion. >>>>> >>>>>> (3) Extending Encoding Type: Encoding type is an end to end >>>>>> constraint >>>>> >>>>>> (See RFC4328), so the authors think it is not the right place. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Do we need to poll how many people support which approach >>>>>> perspectively >>>>> >>>>>> (or any other approach)? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Fatai >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>>> >>>>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>> >>>>>> ʱ: 2012710 22:33 >>>>> >>>>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang >>>>> >>>>>> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>> >>>>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>> >>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; >>>>> >>>>>> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>> (SERGIO); John E >>>>> >>>>>> Drake >>>>> >>>>>> : Re: : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Fatai, >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> See below for in-line responses. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/10/2012 5:34 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Please see in-line below. >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Note that lets use HTML format to make the mails readable, J >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Fatai >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>>> >>>>>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>> >>>>>>> ʱ: 2012710 5:27 >>>>> >>>>>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang >>>>> >>>>>>> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>> >>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>> >>>>>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; >> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>> >>>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>>> >>>>>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>> >>>>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E Drake >>>>> >>>>>>> : Re: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> [Woops, this was stuck in my outbox from last week!] >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Fatai/Authors, >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> G-PID is a fine place to carry information about the >>>>> >>>>>> format/type of information carried by an LSP. An important >>>>> >>>>>> consideration is that G-PID information is not used as >> part of path >>>>> >>>>>> computation, and is not used by transit nodes except in >> the case of >>>>>> the >>>>> >>>>>> penultimate hop (for PHP). >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> When we last discussed this, some authors stated that TSG was >>>>>>> needed >>>>> >>>>>> as part of path computation, including at transit nodes >> doing loose >>>>>> ERO >>>>> >>>>>> expansion. Hence the discussed inclusion of TSG in LSP >>>> Encoding Type. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> If the authors are now willing to state that TSG isn't needed for >>>>> >>>>>> loose ERO expansion, then G-PID seems the perfect choice. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Do all the authors agree with such this statement (and change)? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> [Authors] After lots of discussion, the authors came to conclude >>>>>>> that >>>>> >>>>>> it is needed only for penultimate hop to select right link to >>>>>> egress >>>>> >>>>>> and hence the change. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Can one of the authors summarize the discussion for the WG? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The authors are asking for WG support, so should provide the >>>>>> technical >>>>> >>>>>> basis for the position. Once the requirements are >>>> articulated, the WG >>>>> >>>>>> can be in a position to judge/agree/disagree with the proposed >>>>> >>>>>> solution. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> As I mentioned on the on the conference call, and my >> mail of 6/18, >>>>> >>>>>> the use of G-PID as part of a path selection is really part of the >>>>> >>>>>> general issue seen in MLN. On the call we agreed that non-OTN MLN >>>>>> will >>>>> >>>>>> be handled as the standard MLN case, without OTN-specific >> additions. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Unless I'm misreading your mail, you are *not* proposing >> to treat >>>>>>> the >>>>> >>>>>> intra-OTN (hierarchy) case as generic MLN but rather a >> special case >>>>>> by >>>>> >>>>>> bundling some upper OTN hierarchy information as part of a lower >>>>>> H-LSPs >>>>> >>>>>> (in Hierarchy TLV). >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Correct? >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> [Authors] Correct, it is the latter one. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> If my reading is correct, then I think the authors need >> to discuss >>>>> >>>>>> their technical reasons for their "preference" and why the >>>> previously >>>>> >>>>>> reached compromise position (as articulated in my mail of >> 6/18) is >>>>>> not >>>>> >>>>>> acceptable. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> [Authors] After checking after conf call, the authors think that >>>>> >>>>>> Encoding type is an end to end constraint (See RFC4328) and GPID >>>>>> should >>>>> >>>>>> be the right place as you mention above. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> This goes to requirements, in today's GMPLS G-PID is not >>>> part of path >>>>> >>>>>> computation except in the context of MRN/MLN. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Speaking only as an individual contributor, given the >>>> difficulty in >>>>> >>>>>> reaching a consensus on how to treat intra-OTN (hierarchy) as a >>>>>> special >>>>> >>>>>> case, I personally now prefer to avoid any technology specific co- >>>>> >>>>>> mingling of layers and to address the intra-OTN (hierarchy) case >>>>>> via >>>>> >>>>>> generic MLN (or other generic mechanisms). I think this position >>>>>> would >>>>> >>>>>> translate to removing the Hierarchy TLV from the OTN signaling >>>>>> draft >>>>> >>>>>> and spinning up a new draft to cover (OTN and generic) >>>>>> intra-technology >>>>> >>>>>> MLN. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> [Authors] The authors would like to focus on OTN specific by >>>>>>> removing >>>>> >>>>>> Encoding type and Switching type in the Hierarchy TLV(but keeping >>>>> >>>>>> Signal Type). It is OK to have a new draft to cover generic intra- >>>>> >>>>>> technology MLN. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> How is the revised TLV to be used? Do the authors have a specific >>>>> >>>>>> proposal that covers "generic intra-technology MLN"? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Lou >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Lou >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/5/2012 9:25 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> We are updating OTN signaling draft. Since we had lots of >>>>>>>> discussion >>>>> >>>>>>>> on >>>>> >>>>>>> the TSG stuff in the list, let's converge on the solution. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Based on the previous discussion between Lou and co-authors, the >>>>> >>>>>>> authors prefer the following changes: >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> (1) Extending GPID to carry TSG in signaling, since its >>>> purpose in >>>>> >>>>>>> signaling is to ensure that endpoints of the LSP being signaled >>>>>>> have >>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>> >>>>>>> consistent view of the TSG to be offered to its clients and LSP >>>>> >>>>>>> endpoint consistency is the purpose for which the GPID >>>> was designed. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> (2)Extending LSPA to carry hierarchy information (ie., Type=2 >>>>> >>>>>>>> Hierarchy >>>>> >>>>>>> TLV). >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Any comments? >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Fatai >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Fri Jul 13 07:59:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24F621F85A0 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:59:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.446 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.446 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.584, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8HcV85--zE2N for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 07:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw2.ericsson.se 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On 7/13/2012 10:59 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Lou, > >> >> Daniele, >> >> >> On 7/13/2012 9:04 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: >>> Lou, >>> >>> [...] >>>> >>>> So what do you believe is needed to support 1? >>>> >>>> How does this differ than what is needed for generic MLN? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Lou >>>> >>> >>> What is needed in OTN is: >>> A) TSG >> >> And this is covered in the current (MRN/MLN-aligned) proposal >> via G-PID, right? > > Correct > >> >>> B) Hierarchy (i must be honest, i should re-think about it because i >>> don't remember why it is needed but i'm sure we came to the >> conclusion >>> it is need) >>> >> >> Given the current discussion (including John's comments) it >> would be good to understand what purpose this serves and how >> it differs from what is needed to satisfy your next point. > > Well, the main reason is that the famoous penultimte hop, when > reached by the path message, needs to know not only that an e.g. ODU4 > is being set up but that e.g. An ODU2->ODU3->ODU4 needs to be > established, hence an H-LPS supporting ODU2->ODU3->ODU4 demuxing on > the other end of the link is needed. > So how is this different than any other MRN/MLN example (e.g., Ether LSP over SDH LSP over Lambda LSP)? As John was implying in his e-mail, (why) does intra-OTN need a different solution? >> >> >>> What is needed in MLN is also: >>> C) adaptation information (not needed in intra-OTN as there is a 1:1 >>> relationship for any mapping) >> >> Presumably this is the focus of >> draft-bcg-ccamp-gmpls-ml-implications-00, right? > > Sort of. Such draft was born as a consequence of comments received in > Paris. The goal was defining requirements and use cases for INTER > Switch Cap MLN (followed then by protocol extensions). Okay. > What is coming out in these days is also INTRA Switch Cap issues. Agreed. > If the other > authors agree it is possible to extend it to the INTRA switch cap > case also and then work on the "technology agnostic" protocols > extension. > Well that would certainly fit the WG charter (comment as WG contributor). Also, WRT to the WG document, it's the WG's call, not just the authors. Lou >> >> Thanks, >> Lou >>> >>> Thanks >>> Daniele >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] >>>>>> Sent: venerd 13 luglio 2012 12.04 >>>>>> To: Lou Berger >>>>>> Cc: John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Daniele Ceccarelli; Linyi; >>>>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>> VITTORIO); >>>>>> Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>>>> (SERGIO); Fatai Zhang >>>>>> Subject: : : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>>> >>>>>> For bundling link, it just shows the collection capability >>>> of all the >>>>>> component links and it cannot differentiate which component can >>>>>> support which capability. >>>>>> >>>>>> For example, a TE link with two component links ( one can >> support A >>>>>> (e.g., TSG=1.25) and another one can support B >>>> (TSG=2.5G)), and then >>>>>> the TE link will claim that it can support both A&B. When an LSP >>>>>> needs to pick up A of the TE link, we have to indicate A in the >>>>>> signaling explicitly to make the corresponding nodes to >> pick up the >>>>>> correct component link with capability A. >>>>>> >>>>>> If no bunding, everything about the TE link (actually it >>>> only has one >>>>>> component link) has been advertised, so the path >>>> computation can make >>>>>> the correct choice (ERO can indicate the correct TE link (ie., >>>>>> component link)). >>>>>> >>>>>> Does this make sense? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Fatai >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>> ʱ: 2012712 22:31 >>>>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang >>>>>> : John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; >>>>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>>>> VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; >>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>> : Re: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>> >>>>>> Fatai, >>>>>> I think I agree with John (as WG contributor). >>>>>> >>>>>> Why isn't the same issue present for non-bundled links when ERO >>>>>> expansion takes place at any place other than the ingress node? >>>>>> >>>>>> How does this issue differ from any MLN H-LSP? >>>>>> >>>>>> Lou >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/11/2012 11:54 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think TSG and hierarchy information really confused >> many people, >>>>>>> which causes the same questions will come out again after we >>>>>> explained >>>>>>> many times, :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The simple way is to remove link bundling (or bundle the >>>> homogeneous >>>>>>> component links) in the routing, then all the issues disappear >>>>>>> immediately ( i.e., no need TSG and hierarchy >> information at all), >>>>>>> otherwise, it needs these two kinds of information in some cases. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I really suspect the value of bundling in the GMPLS for TDM >>>>>> or WSON. I >>>>>>> think this is interesting point to be investigated, but it >>>>>> seems that >>>>>>> not too many people are interested, J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please see in-line below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fatai >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>>>>> : John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>>>>>> ʱ: 2012712 2:54 >>>>>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>>>>> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; >> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>>>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; >> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>>> : RE: : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fatai, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is it not the case that *any* node, regardless of whether >>>> it is the >>>>>>> ingress node, an intermediate node, or the penultimate >> node, that >>>>>>> selects the interface for the egress LSP endpoint MUST >> ensure that >>>>>>> that interface has a TSG that is compatible with the TSG of >>>>>> interface >>>>>>> for the ingress LSP endpoint? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [Fatai] There are two cases for TSG issue. One is for ODU >>>>>> service LSP >>>>>>> (carrying non-ODU) creation, the second one is ODU FA-LSP >>>>>> creation for >>>>>>> carrying another lower ODU. For the first case, the TSG can be >>>>>>> changeable segment by segment (link by link). For >> example, when an >>>>>>> ODU1 (to carry non-ODU) is being created over ODU3 link, the >>>>>> TSG could >>>>>>> be different link by link. For the second case, this is >>>> what we are >>>>>>> talking about with Lou; in this case, only end points and >>>>>> penultimate >>>>>>> node need to have the compatible TSG. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, it occurs to me that hierarchy is not only unnecessary but >>>>>>> counter-productive in signaling. When one establishes an >>>> ODU3, for >>>>>>> example, that ODU3 may be used to instantiate multiple >>>>>> hierarchies, so >>>>>>> one does not want to specify a particular hierarchy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If one is establishing this ODU3 in order to eventually >>>> establish an >>>>>>> ODU0 LSP over an ODU2 LSP, then after the ODU3 is >> established, the >>>>>>> ODU2 would be signaled within the ODU3. Again, since the >>>> ODU2 might >>>>>>> support multiple hierarchies, one does not want to specify a >>>>>> particular hierarchy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once the OUD2 is established, the ODU0 is signaled. Since >>>>>> it does not >>>>>>> support any further hierarchy, none is specified. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [Fatai] Hierarchy information is necessary when bundling >>>>>> link is used. >>>>>>> For your example, ODU0->ODU2->ODU3, when creating ODU2 >> FA-LSP over >>>>>>> ODU3 links, ODU2 layer should be aware of that it should >>>> pick up the >>>>>>> right component link that can support ODU0 muxing (so the >>>>>>> hierarchy >>>>>>> ODU0->ODU2 should be carried when creating ODU2 FA-LSP), >>>>>>> ODU0->otherwise, >>>>>>> this arbitrary >>>>>>> ODU2 could be only support ODU1->ODU2, then ODU0 cannot >> be carried >>>>>>> over this ODU2 FA-LSP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:25 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To: Lou Berger >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; >>>>>>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>>>>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>>>> (SERGIO); John E >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Drake >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me repeat the requirement of this information. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When an ODU (e.g., ODU1) with one specific TSG (because of the >>>>>>>> ingress >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> interface constraint) needs to be created over another >> higher ODU >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (e.g., ODU3 FA-LSP), the penultimate hop of this ODU3 >>>>>> FA-LSP needs to >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> be aware of which TSG should be picked up from the TE >> link (ie., >>>>>>>> choose >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the right component link which can support the client TSG), so >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> client TSG information (and hierarchy information) needs to be >>>>>>>> conveyed >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> in the signaling to create the ODU FA-LSP. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The requirement has been discussed in the previous IETF >> meetings, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> please get more information from the presentation slides >>>> of Taipei >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Paris meetings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Given that people understand the above requirment, let's >>>>>> focus on the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> potential solutions. In Taipei meeting, the authors compared >>>>>>>> three >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> alternatives and discussed in the list: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (1) Introducing a new object: WG prefer to re-use the existing >>>>>>>> things, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> so the authors switched to (2). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (2) Extending GPID to carry TSG/PT information: Lou once >>>> suggested >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> approach and the authors finally agreed on this because it is >>>>>>>> needed >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> only for penultimate hop to select right link to egress. >>>> Note that >>>>>>>> TSG >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> isn't needed for loose ERO expansion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (3) Extending Encoding Type: Encoding type is an end to end >>>>>>>> constraint >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (See RFC4328), so the authors think it is not the right place. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do we need to poll how many people support which approach >>>>>>>> perspectively >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (or any other approach)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fatai >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ʱ: 2012710 22:33 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; >>>>>>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>>>>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>>>> (SERGIO); John E >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Drake >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> : Re: : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fatai, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See below for in-line responses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/10/2012 5:34 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please see in-line below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Note that lets use HTML format to make the mails readable, J >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fatai >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ʱ: 2012710 5:27 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; >>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; >>>>>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E Drake >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> : Re: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [Woops, this was stuck in my outbox from last week!] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fatai/Authors, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> G-PID is a fine place to carry information about the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> format/type of information carried by an LSP. An important >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> consideration is that G-PID information is not used as >>>> part of path >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> computation, and is not used by transit nodes except in >>>> the case of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> penultimate hop (for PHP). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When we last discussed this, some authors stated that TSG was >>>>>>>>> needed >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> as part of path computation, including at transit nodes >>>> doing loose >>>>>>>> ERO >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> expansion. Hence the discussed inclusion of TSG in LSP >>>>>> Encoding Type. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If the authors are now willing to state that TSG isn't needed >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> loose ERO expansion, then G-PID seems the perfect choice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do all the authors agree with such this statement (and change)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [Authors] After lots of discussion, the authors came >> to conclude >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it is needed only for penultimate hop to select right link to >>>>>>>> egress >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and hence the change. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can one of the authors summarize the discussion for the WG? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The authors are asking for WG support, so should provide the >>>>>>>> technical >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> basis for the position. Once the requirements are >>>>>> articulated, the WG >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> can be in a position to judge/agree/disagree with the proposed >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I mentioned on the on the conference call, and my >>>> mail of 6/18, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the use of G-PID as part of a path selection is really part of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> general issue seen in MLN. On the call we agreed that >> non-OTN MLN >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> be handled as the standard MLN case, without OTN-specific >>>> additions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unless I'm misreading your mail, you are *not* proposing >>>> to treat >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> intra-OTN (hierarchy) case as generic MLN but rather a >>>> special case >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bundling some upper OTN hierarchy information as part >> of a lower >>>>>>>> H-LSPs >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (in Hierarchy TLV). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Correct? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [Authors] Correct, it is the latter one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If my reading is correct, then I think the authors need >>>> to discuss >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> their technical reasons for their "preference" and why the >>>>>> previously >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> reached compromise position (as articulated in my mail of >>>> 6/18) is >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> acceptable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [Authors] After checking after conf call, the authors >> think that >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Encoding type is an end to end constraint (See RFC4328) >> and GPID >>>>>>>> should >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> be the right place as you mention above. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This goes to requirements, in today's GMPLS G-PID is not >>>>>> part of path >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> computation except in the context of MRN/MLN. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Speaking only as an individual contributor, given the >>>>>> difficulty in >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> reaching a consensus on how to treat intra-OTN (hierarchy) as a >>>>>>>> special >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> case, I personally now prefer to avoid any technology specific >>>>>>>> co- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> mingling of layers and to address the intra-OTN >> (hierarchy) case >>>>>>>> via >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> generic MLN (or other generic mechanisms). I think >> this position >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> translate to removing the Hierarchy TLV from the OTN signaling >>>>>>>> draft >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and spinning up a new draft to cover (OTN and generic) >>>>>>>> intra-technology >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> MLN. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [Authors] The authors would like to focus on OTN specific by >>>>>>>>> removing >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Encoding type and Switching type in the Hierarchy >> TLV(but keeping >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Signal Type). It is OK to have a new draft to cover generic >>>>>>>> intra- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> technology MLN. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How is the revised TLV to be used? Do the authors have a >>>>>>>> specific >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> proposal that covers "generic intra-technology MLN"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lou >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lou >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/5/2012 9:25 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We are updating OTN signaling draft. Since we had lots of >>>>>>>>>> discussion >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the TSG stuff in the list, let's converge on the solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Based on the previous discussion between Lou and co-authors, >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> authors prefer the following changes: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (1) Extending GPID to carry TSG in signaling, since its >>>>>> purpose in >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> signaling is to ensure that endpoints of the LSP being >> signaled >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> consistent view of the TSG to be offered to its clients and LSP >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> endpoint consistency is the purpose for which the GPID >>>>>> was designed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (2)Extending LSPA to carry hierarchy information (ie., Type=2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hierarchy >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TLV). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any comments? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Fatai >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Jul 13 08:57:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F7821F87EC; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:57:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.505 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.505 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.094, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ef2Jhe3xoGHa; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECED221F87DF; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:57:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p3 Message-ID: <20120713155737.24845.33131.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:57:37 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-08.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:57:38 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS RSVP-TE extensions for OAM Configuration Author(s) : Attila Takacs Don Fedyk Jia He Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-08.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2012-07-13 Abstract: OAM is an integral part of transport connections, hence it is required that OAM functions are activated/deactivated in sync with connection commissioning/decommissioning; avoiding spurious alarms and ensuring consistent operation. In certain technologies OAM entities are inherently established once the connection is set up, while other technologies require extra configuration to establish and configure OAM entities. This document specifies extensions to RSVP-TE to support the establishment and configuration of OAM entities along with LSP signaling. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-08 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk= -08 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Jul 13 08:57:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAC511E80AA; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:57:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AWUZUfFnKm8O; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF3021F87E4; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p3 Message-ID: <20120713155747.28429.44100.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 08:57:47 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-08.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:57:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS RSVP-TE Extensions for Ethernet OAM Configuration Author(s) : Attila Takacs Balazs Gero Hao Long Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-08.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2012-07-13 Abstract: The GMPLS controlled Ethernet Label Switching (GELS) work extended GMPLS RSVP-TE to support the establishment of Ethernet LSPs. IEEE Ethernet Connectivity Fault Management (CFM) specifies an adjunct OAM flow to check connectivity in Ethernet networks. CFM can be also used with Ethernet LSPs for fault detection and triggering recovery mechanisms. The ITU-T Y.1731 specification builds on CFM and specifies additional OAM mechanisms, including Performance Monitoring, for Ethernet networks. This document specifies extensions of GMPLS RSVP-TE to support the setup of the associated Ethernet OAM (CFM and Y.1731) entities defining Ethernet technology specific TLV based on [OAM-CONF-FWK]. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-08 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-08 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Mon Jul 16 03:12:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0D221F8739 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 03:12:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.213 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.213 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.525, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, 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69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , Linyi , "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogVXBkYXRlcyBvbiBPVE4gc2lnbmFs?= =?gb2312?b?aW5nIGRyYWZ0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:46:29 -0000 Daniele, See below. On 7/16/2012 6:13 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Different week, same thread. > > Please see below (some cuts to make it more readable) > > > [snip] > >> >> So how is this different than any other MRN/MLN example (e.g., >> Ether LSP over SDH LSP over Lambda LSP)? >> >> As John was implying in his e-mail, (why) does intra-OTN need >> a different solution? > > Intra-OTN is missing, wrt actual MRN/MLN, the capability of signlaing > the TSG, while Inter-OTN is missing also the Adaptation between > client and server layers (e.g. Bit-sync vs Byte-sync mapping, X.86 vs > GFP etc) > > [snip] fair enough. > >> >>> If the other >>> authors agree it is possible to extend it to the INTRA >> switch cap case >>> also and then work on the "technology agnostic" protocols extension. >>> >> >> Well that would certainly fit the WG charter (comment as WG >> contributor). >> >> Also, WRT to the WG document, it's the WG's call, not just the authors. > > Sure, I was referring to the "bcg" draft. okay, wasn't sure. > It appears we came to the conclusion that a general "intra switch > cap" work is needed (non OTN specific). > > My proposal was to include the problem statement in the bcg draft (so > to make it cover both the inter and intra cases) and then work on a > different encoding draft (I'm not sure the OTN signaling is the right > place for general intra switch cap encoding. Maybe a pointer is more > appropriate. Sounds workable to me (and aligned with what John was saying). Now let's see if others disagree or if we have consensus! Thanks, Lou > > Thanks > Daniele > >> Lou >> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Lou >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Daniele >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: venerd 13 luglio 2012 12.04 >>>>>>>> To: Lou Berger >>>>>>>> Cc: John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Daniele Ceccarelli; Linyi; >>>>>>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>>>> VITTORIO); >>>>>>>> Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>>>>>> (SERGIO); Fatai Zhang >>>>>>>> Subject: : : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For bundling link, it just shows the collection capability >>>>>> of all the >>>>>>>> component links and it cannot differentiate which component can >>>>>>>> support which capability. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For example, a TE link with two component links ( one can >>>> support A >>>>>>>> (e.g., TSG=1.25) and another one can support B >>>>>> (TSG=2.5G)), and then >>>>>>>> the TE link will claim that it can support both A&B. When an LSP >>>>>>>> needs to pick up A of the TE link, we have to indicate A in the >>>>>>>> signaling explicitly to make the corresponding nodes to >>>> pick up the >>>>>>>> correct component link with capability A. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If no bunding, everything about the TE link (actually it >>>>>> only has one >>>>>>>> component link) has been advertised, so the path >>>>>> computation can make >>>>>>>> the correct choice (ERO can indicate the correct TE link (ie., >>>>>>>> component link)). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this make sense? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fatai >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>>>>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>>>> ʱ: 2012712 22:31 >>>>>>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang >>>>>>>> : John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; >>>>>>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO >> VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>>>>>> VITTORIO); diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; >>>>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>>>> : Re: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fatai, >>>>>>>> I think I agree with John (as WG contributor). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why isn't the same issue present for non-bundled links when ERO >>>>>>>> expansion takes place at any place other than the ingress node? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How does this issue differ from any MLN H-LSP? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lou >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/11/2012 11:54 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think TSG and hierarchy information really confused >>>> many people, >>>>>>>>> which causes the same questions will come out again after we >>>>>>>> explained >>>>>>>>> many times, :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The simple way is to remove link bundling (or bundle the >>>>>> homogeneous >>>>>>>>> component links) in the routing, then all the issues disappear >>>>>>>>> immediately ( i.e., no need TSG and hierarchy >>>> information at all), >>>>>>>>> otherwise, it needs these two kinds of information in >> some cases. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I really suspect the value of bundling in the GMPLS for TDM >>>>>>>> or WSON. I >>>>>>>>> think this is interesting point to be investigated, but it >>>>>>>> seems that >>>>>>>>> not too many people are interested, J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please see in-line below. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fatai >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>>>>>>> : John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>>>>>>>> ʱ: 2012712 2:54 >>>>>>>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>>>>>>> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; >>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>>>>>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; >>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>>>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>>>>> : RE: : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fatai, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is it not the case that *any* node, regardless of whether >>>>>> it is the >>>>>>>>> ingress node, an intermediate node, or the penultimate >>>> node, that >>>>>>>>> selects the interface for the egress LSP endpoint MUST >>>> ensure that >>>>>>>>> that interface has a TSG that is compatible with the TSG of >>>>>>>> interface >>>>>>>>> for the ingress LSP endpoint? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [Fatai] There are two cases for TSG issue. One is for ODU >>>>>>>> service LSP >>>>>>>>> (carrying non-ODU) creation, the second one is ODU FA-LSP >>>>>>>> creation for >>>>>>>>> carrying another lower ODU. For the first case, the TSG can be >>>>>>>>> changeable segment by segment (link by link). For >>>> example, when an >>>>>>>>> ODU1 (to carry non-ODU) is being created over ODU3 link, the >>>>>>>> TSG could >>>>>>>>> be different link by link. For the second case, this is >>>>>> what we are >>>>>>>>> talking about with Lou; in this case, only end points and >>>>>>>> penultimate >>>>>>>>> node need to have the compatible TSG. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, it occurs to me that hierarchy is not only >> unnecessary but >>>>>>>>> counter-productive in signaling. When one establishes an >>>>>> ODU3, for >>>>>>>>> example, that ODU3 may be used to instantiate multiple >>>>>>>> hierarchies, so >>>>>>>>> one does not want to specify a particular hierarchy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If one is establishing this ODU3 in order to eventually >>>>>> establish an >>>>>>>>> ODU0 LSP over an ODU2 LSP, then after the ODU3 is >>>> established, the >>>>>>>>> ODU2 would be signaled within the ODU3. Again, since the >>>>>> ODU2 might >>>>>>>>> support multiple hierarchies, one does not want to specify a >>>>>>>> particular hierarchy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Once the OUD2 is established, the ODU0 is signaled. Since >>>>>>>> it does not >>>>>>>>> support any further hierarchy, none is specified. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [Fatai] Hierarchy information is necessary when bundling >>>>>>>> link is used. >>>>>>>>> For your example, ODU0->ODU2->ODU3, when creating ODU2 >>>> FA-LSP over >>>>>>>>> ODU3 links, ODU2 layer should be aware of that it should >>>>>> pick up the >>>>>>>>> right component link that can support ODU0 muxing (so the >>>>>>>>> hierarchy >>>>>>>>> ODU0->ODU2 should be carried when creating ODU2 FA-LSP), >>>>>>>>> ODU0->otherwise, >>>>>>>>> this arbitrary >>>>>>>>> ODU2 could be only support ODU1->ODU2, then ODU0 cannot >>>> be carried >>>>>>>>> over this ODU2 FA-LSP. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:25 PM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To: Lou Berger >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; >>>>>>>>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>>>>>>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>>>>>> (SERGIO); John E >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Drake >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me repeat the requirement of this information. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When an ODU (e.g., ODU1) with one specific TSG (because of the >>>>>>>>>> ingress >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> interface constraint) needs to be created over another >>>> higher ODU >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (e.g., ODU3 FA-LSP), the penultimate hop of this ODU3 >>>>>>>> FA-LSP needs to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> be aware of which TSG should be picked up from the TE >>>> link (ie., >>>>>>>>>> choose >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the right component link which can support the client TSG), so >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> client TSG information (and hierarchy information) needs to be >>>>>>>>>> conveyed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> in the signaling to create the ODU FA-LSP. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The requirement has been discussed in the previous IETF >>>> meetings, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> please get more information from the presentation slides >>>>>> of Taipei >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Paris meetings. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Given that people understand the above requirment, let's >>>>>>>> focus on the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> potential solutions. In Taipei meeting, the authors compared >>>>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> alternatives and discussed in the list: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (1) Introducing a new object: WG prefer to re-use the existing >>>>>>>>>> things, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> so the authors switched to (2). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (2) Extending GPID to carry TSG/PT information: Lou once >>>>>> suggested >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> approach and the authors finally agreed on this because it is >>>>>>>>>> needed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> only for penultimate hop to select right link to egress. >>>>>> Note that >>>>>>>>>> TSG >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> isn't needed for loose ERO expansion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (3) Extending Encoding Type: Encoding type is an end to end >>>>>>>>>> constraint >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (See RFC4328), so the authors think it is not the right place. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do we need to poll how many people support which approach >>>>>>>>>> perspectively >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (or any other approach)? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Fatai >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ʱ: 2012710 22:33 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; >>>>>>>>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>>>>>>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>>>>>> (SERGIO); John E >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Drake >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> : Re: : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Fatai, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> See below for in-line responses. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/10/2012 5:34 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please see in-line below. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Note that lets use HTML format to make the mails readable, J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Fatai >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ʱ: 2012710 5:27 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ռ: Fatai Zhang >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> : ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; Linyi; >>>>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; Rajan Rao; >>>>>>>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); John E Drake >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> : Re: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [Woops, this was stuck in my outbox from last week!] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Fatai/Authors, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> G-PID is a fine place to carry information about the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> format/type of information carried by an LSP. An important >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> consideration is that G-PID information is not used as >>>>>> part of path >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> computation, and is not used by transit nodes except in >>>>>> the case of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> penultimate hop (for PHP). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When we last discussed this, some authors stated that TSG was >>>>>>>>>>> needed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> as part of path computation, including at transit nodes >>>>>> doing loose >>>>>>>>>> ERO >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> expansion. Hence the discussed inclusion of TSG in LSP >>>>>>>> Encoding Type. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If the authors are now willing to state that TSG isn't needed >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> loose ERO expansion, then G-PID seems the perfect choice. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Do all the authors agree with such this statement >> (and change)? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [Authors] After lots of discussion, the authors came >>>> to conclude >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> it is needed only for penultimate hop to select right link to >>>>>>>>>> egress >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and hence the change. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can one of the authors summarize the discussion for the WG? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The authors are asking for WG support, so should provide the >>>>>>>>>> technical >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> basis for the position. Once the requirements are >>>>>>>> articulated, the WG >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> can be in a position to judge/agree/disagree with the proposed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> solution. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As I mentioned on the on the conference call, and my >>>>>> mail of 6/18, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the use of G-PID as part of a path selection is really part of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> general issue seen in MLN. On the call we agreed that >>>> non-OTN MLN >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> be handled as the standard MLN case, without OTN-specific >>>>>> additions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unless I'm misreading your mail, you are *not* proposing >>>>>> to treat >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> intra-OTN (hierarchy) case as generic MLN but rather a >>>>>> special case >>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bundling some upper OTN hierarchy information as part >>>> of a lower >>>>>>>>>> H-LSPs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (in Hierarchy TLV). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Correct? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [Authors] Correct, it is the latter one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If my reading is correct, then I think the authors need >>>>>> to discuss >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> their technical reasons for their "preference" and why the >>>>>>>> previously >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> reached compromise position (as articulated in my mail of >>>>>> 6/18) is >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> acceptable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [Authors] After checking after conf call, the authors >>>> think that >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Encoding type is an end to end constraint (See RFC4328) >>>> and GPID >>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> be the right place as you mention above. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This goes to requirements, in today's GMPLS G-PID is not >>>>>>>> part of path >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> computation except in the context of MRN/MLN. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Speaking only as an individual contributor, given the >>>>>>>> difficulty in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> reaching a consensus on how to treat intra-OTN >> (hierarchy) as a >>>>>>>>>> special >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> case, I personally now prefer to avoid any technology specific >>>>>>>>>> co- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> mingling of layers and to address the intra-OTN >>>> (hierarchy) case >>>>>>>>>> via >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> generic MLN (or other generic mechanisms). I think >>>> this position >>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> translate to removing the Hierarchy TLV from the OTN signaling >>>>>>>>>> draft >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and spinning up a new draft to cover (OTN and generic) >>>>>>>>>> intra-technology >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> MLN. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [Authors] The authors would like to focus on OTN specific by >>>>>>>>>>> removing >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Encoding type and Switching type in the Hierarchy >>>> TLV(but keeping >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Signal Type). It is OK to have a new draft to cover generic >>>>>>>>>> intra- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> technology MLN. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How is the revised TLV to be used? Do the authors have a >>>>>>>>>> specific >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> proposal that covers "generic intra-technology MLN"? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Lou >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Lou >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/5/2012 9:25 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We are updating OTN signaling draft. Since we had lots of >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the TSG stuff in the list, let's converge on the solution. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the previous discussion between Lou and co-authors, >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> authors prefer the following changes: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (1) Extending GPID to carry TSG in signaling, since its >>>>>>>> purpose in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> signaling is to ensure that endpoints of the LSP being >>>> signaled >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> consistent view of the TSG to be offered to its >> clients and LSP >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> endpoint consistency is the purpose for which the GPID >>>>>>>> was designed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (2)Extending LSPA to carry hierarchy information >> (ie., Type=2 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hierarchy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> TLV). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any comments? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Fatai >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> From lberger@labn.net Mon Jul 16 09:26:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F9E21F8628 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:26:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.234 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.234 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.513, BAYES_40=-0.185, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gwkCE0Z4Ddte for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D39821F8650 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1753 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jul 2012 16:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2012 16:27:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=mBr86f3avIaVtopR5ge2yjmihQJuJQJCtgG7jxy5MiU=; b=hUC0drRYOyto2lnMhPpkt5as2cCQTJqVWI/qR7w0WnkxjwDcS3BVnvI+8RLBRjAb5yc6I2Q31r6sU6+VvMtBmTv1w9+66+QVY5umevquQS4BueGikbM6TCdkY+0zqiFk; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:36166 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sqo8o-0007XM-4v for ccamp@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:27:22 -0600 Message-ID: <500440E5.5070609@labn.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:27:17 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] Request to WG authors/editors (for Vancouver) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:26:49 -0000 Authors of WG documents, As with the last meeting: Please plan to review (present) any changes that have been recently made to your draft, as well as any plans for, or open issues with the draft at the upcoming meeting. If there have been no recent changes, please present open issues and your plans for moving the draft forward. If you have not already done so, please respond to Daniele's agenda request mail to schedule your presentation time. If you don't need a full slot for the draft, please be prepared to say a few words on document status/progress/planned revisions in our first session. Alternatively, you can send this information to the WG mail list prior to the WG meeting. The agenda has us meeting: WEDNESDAY, August 1, 2012 0900-1130 Morning Session I THURSDAY, August 2, 2012 1300-1500 Afternoon Session I Much thanks. Lou and Deborah From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Jul 16 12:04:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0973E11E82DC; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:04:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.129, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OcpQTrOrdTdY; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1211411E82AA; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:04:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p3 Message-ID: <20120716190453.4095.24898.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:04:53 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-09.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:04:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Co= mpatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-09.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2012-07-16 Abstract: This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility= -ospf There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-= 09 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibi= lity-ospf-09 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From leeyoung@huawei.com Mon Jul 16 12:16:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C060911E82E4; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:16:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.572 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.572 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M3069Aqrs--0; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643A111E82F8; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AHU63297; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.203) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:14:59 -0700 Received: from dfweml511-mbs.china.huawei.com ([169.254.15.49]) by dfweml404-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.203]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:14:57 -0700 From: Leeyoung To: "internet-drafts@ietf.org" , "i-d-announce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-09.txt Thread-Index: AQHNY4YO50yrbdPg7U6v7YR/TWPaTZcsRTGg Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:14:57 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729059328@dfweml511-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <20120716190453.4095.24898.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120716190453.4095.24898.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.151] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-09.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:16:24 -0000 Hi, This draft is updated to include ISCD encoding which is a specific use of O= SPF in WSON context. We introduced a new Switching Capability for WSON =3D = WSON-LSC. In addition to that, we added the technology specific part of the= WSON ISCD (SCSI) to include Bandwidth TLV.=20 Comments and discussions are welcome. Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of i= nternet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:05 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-osp= f-09.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS OSPF Enhancement for Signal and Network Element Co= mpatibility for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Young Lee Greg M. Bernstein Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-09.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2012-07-16 Abstract: This document provides GMPLS OSPF routing enhancements to support signal compatibility constraints associated with WSON network elements. These routing enhancements are required in common optical or hybrid electro-optical networks where not all of the optical signals in the network are compatible with all network elements participating in the network. This compatibility constraint model is applicable to common optical or hybrid electro optical systems such as OEO switches, regenerators, and wavelength converters since such systems can be limited to processing only certain types of WSON signals. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility= -ospf There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibility-ospf-= 09 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signal-compatibi= lity-ospf-09 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From zhangfatai@huawei.com Mon Jul 16 19:03:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABA521F8663 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:03:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.633 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.633 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.156, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QSJtDXZNjyVX for ; 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Hi Lou,

 

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Let's understand where we ar= e, :-),

 

If my following understandin= g is not correct, please list some items that we need to get the consensus.

 

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

> Intra-OTN is missing, w= rt actual MRN/MLN, the capability of signlaing the TSG, while Inter-OTN is = missing also the Adaptation between client and server layers (e.g. Bit-sync= vs Byte-sync mapping, X.86 vs GFP etc)

>

> [snip]

 

fair enough.

 

[Fat= ai] Did you mean (or agree) that intra-OTN is missing the capability of sig= naling the TSG? Should Inter-OTN be generic MRN/MLN?

 

> It appears we came to t= he conclusion that a general "intra switch cap" work is needed (n= on OTN specific).

>

> My proposal was to incl= ude the problem statement in the bcg draft (so to make it cover both the in= ter and intra cases) and then work on a different encoding draft (I'm not s= ure the OTN signaling is the right place for general intra switch cap encoding. Maybe a pointer is more appropriate= .

 

Sounds workable to me (and a= ligned with what John was saying).  Now let's see if others disagree o= r if we have consensus!

 

[Fat= ai] I understood Daniele's proposal. However, focusing on OTN signaling dra= ft, did you mean that this draft (OTN signaling) should focus on OTN specif= ic (intra-OTN) as what it is or this draft should remove TSG or hierachy information or bothe of them (ie., GPID exte= nsion for TSG and hierachy inforamtion in LSPA)?

 

 

Thanks

 

Fatai

 

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=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2012=C4=EA7=D4=C216=C8=D5 20:47
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Daniele Ceccarelli
=B3=AD=CB=CD: Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan;= zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, P= IETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: =B4=F0= =B8=B4: =B4=F0=B8=B4: Updates on OTN signaling draft

 

[snip]

&= nbsp;

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Fata= i,

 

To recap my previous emails:

 

1)      = TSG = info needs to be carried in signaling in the GPID

2)&= nbsp;     Any node that performs CSPF and selects th= e egress interface for an LSP needs to ensure that interface=A1=AFs TSG is = compatible with the ingress interface=A1=AFs TSG as indicated in signaling = (the GPID)

3)      Signal= ing should not carry hierarchy info because signaling only instantiates a s= ingle ODUj

4)      The in= gress will sequentially signal multiple ODUj LSPs, each with a different va= lue of j, in order to instantiate an OTN hierarchy between a given ingress/= egress pair

 

= As an aside, just over a yea= r ago, we had an extended discussion of this topic in which I argued in sup= port of the Infinera approach of using a single signaling message to instan= tiate any necessary intermediate hierarchy in support of a given client ODU= j, and nobody bought my arguments..

 <= /p>

Than= ks,

 

John  

 = ;

Sent from my iPhone<= o:p>

 

From: Fatai Zhang [mail= to:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:03 PMTo: Lou Berger; Daniele Ceccarelli
Cc: John E Drake; ccam= p@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbi= n@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Cavigl= ia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Fatai Zh= ang
Subject: =B4=F0=B8=B4: =B4=F0=B8=B4: =B4=F0=B8=B4: Updates on OTN signal= ing draft

 

Hi= Lou,

 

[snip]

 

Let's understand where we are, :-),

 

If my following understanding is not correct, please list some items that = we need to get the consensus.

&= nbsp;

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

 

> Intra-OTN is missing, wrt actual MRN/MLN= , the capability of signlaing the TSG, while Inter-OTN is missing also the = Adaptation between client and server layers (e.g. Bit-sync vs Byte-sync map= ping, X.86 vs GFP etc)

>

> [snip]

 

fair enough.

 

[Fatai] Did you mean (or agree) that intra-OTN is= missing the capability of signaling the TSG? Should Inter-OTN be generic M= RN/MLN?

 

<= p class=3DMsoPlainText>> It appears we came to the conclusion that a gen= eral "intra switch cap" work is needed (non OTN specific).

>

> My proposal was to include the problem statement in the bcg draft (so= to make it cover both the inter and intra cases) and then work on a differ= ent encoding draft (I'm not sure the OTN signaling is the right place for g= eneral intra switch cap encoding. Maybe a pointer is more appropriate.=

 

Sounds workable to me (and aligned with what John was saying).  No= w let's see if others disagree or if we have consensus!

 

[Fatai] I understood Daniele's proposal. However, focusi= ng on OTN signaling draft, did you mean that this draft (OTN signaling) sho= uld focus on OTN specific (intra-OTN) as what it is or this draft should re= move TSG or hierachy information or bothe of them (ie., GPID extension for = TSG and hierachy inforamtion in LSPA)?

 

 

Thanks

=  

Fatai

 

-----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE-----
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Lou= Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] <= br>=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4= : 2012=C4=EA7= =D4=C216=C8=D5 20:47
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Daniele Ceccar= elli
=B3=AD=CB=CD= : Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.o= rg; Khuzema Pithewan; = zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO = VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO)
=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: =B4=F0=B8=B4: =B4=F0=B8=B4: Updates on OTN signali= ng draft

 

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= --_000_5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A85B5D37EMBX01HQjnprn_-- From lberger@labn.net Tue Jul 17 09:30:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BDF21F84EE for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -93.708 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-93.708 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.181, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kPR12B62+PWI for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C15B621F8622 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11814 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jul 2012 16:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2012 16:30:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Zh4IlT3LQ+Itk/c3hPRVH3ll3a8qH2sLqKHjZJ1dxtE=; b=QZsMu8CdBGnYBf9ewB3ug1LTxv1LHkLQCNXgkIrzfctxfxB7xBrgVAK/mbPvKnr4jdhUG35tocZnCeQhJ27z2rEtVfCG9gYpgVxmUaw/pbN3V8DZxgiPMqIH1iPiMcTb; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:34463 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SrAfe-0001K3-CL; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:30:46 -0600 Message-ID: <50059331.5@labn.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:30:41 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fatai Zhang References: <4FFC3D35.5010801@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A82A4DE9@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FFEDF8B.90003@labn.net> <500019A7.7060203@labn.net> <5000304B.3080007@labn.net> <50003B93.7060500@labn.net> <50040D47.7000209@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , Linyi Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogtPC4tDogVXBkYXRlcyBvbiBPVE4g?= =?gb2312?b?c2lnbmFsaW5nIGRyYWZ0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:30:02 -0000 Fatai, While you addressed your mail to me, it looks like your questions are really for Daniele. I assume that he'll respond. Lou On 7/16/2012 10:02 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > > > Hi Lou, > > > > [snip] > > > > Let's understand where we are, :-), > > > > If my following understanding is not correct, please list some items > that we need to get the consensus. > > > > ======================================================================================================================= > > > > >> Intra-OTN is missing, wrt actual MRN/MLN, the capability of signlaing > the TSG, while Inter-OTN is missing also the Adaptation between client > and server layers (e.g. Bit-sync vs Byte-sync mapping, X.86 vs GFP etc) > >> > >> [snip] > > > > fair enough. > > > > [Fatai] Did you mean (or agree) that intra-OTN is missing the capability > of signaling the TSG? Should Inter-OTN be generic MRN/MLN? > > > >> It appears we came to the conclusion that a general "intra switch cap" > work is needed (non OTN specific). > >> > >> My proposal was to include the problem statement in the bcg draft (so > to make it cover both the inter and intra cases) and then work on a > different encoding draft (I'm not sure the OTN signaling is the right > place for general intra switch cap encoding. Maybe a pointer is more > appropriate. > > > > Sounds workable to me (and aligned with what John was saying). Now > let's see if others disagree or if we have consensus! > > > > [Fatai] I understood Daniele's proposal. However, focusing on OTN > signaling draft, did you mean that this draft (OTN signaling) should > focus on OTN specific (intra-OTN) as what it is or this draft should > remove TSG or hierachy information or bothe of them (ie., GPID extension > for TSG and hierachy inforamtion in LSPA)? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Fatai > > > > -----ʼԭ----- > : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > ʱ: 2012716 20:47 > ռ: Daniele Ceccarelli > : Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; > zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, > PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; > IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) > : Re: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft > > > > [snip] > > > From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Wed Jul 18 03:29:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1340421F8658 for 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06:20:47 -0600 Message-ID: <5006AA1B.1010102@labn.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:20:43 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniele Ceccarelli References: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A82A4DE9@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <4FFEDF8B.90003@labn.net> <500019A7.7060203@labn.net> <5000304B.3080007@labn.net> <50003B93.7060500@labn.net> <50040D47.7000209@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A85B5D37@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , Linyi , "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogVXBkYXRlcyBvbiBPVE4gc2lnbmFs?= =?gb2312?b?aW5nIGRyYWZ0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:20:01 -0000 Daniele, Please see below. On 7/18/2012 6:29 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Hi John, > > partially agree. I think the hierarchy is still needed for those > cases in which 3 or more layer are being involved, in particular when > the penultimate node, performing the choice of the FA, receives a > signalling message of layer 2, needs to choose the FA at layer 3 and > is not aware of layer 1. So why is this any different than the normal MRN/MLN case? > Let's try to make an example (switched to > plain text for the drawing): for example change: ODU1-LSP --> MPLS (TE/TP) LSP ODU2-LSP --> Ethernet LSP ODU3-LSP --> Lambda LSP > > ODU1-LSP > ..................................................... > | | > | ODU2-H-LSP | > | +======================================+ > | | | > | | | > | | ODU3-H-LSP | > | | |-------------------------| > | | | | > +--+--+ +-----+ +--+--+ +---+-+ +-----+ > | | | | | | | | | | > | A +------+ B +------+ C +------+ D |------+ E | > | | | | | | | | | | > +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ > > > The LSP being signaled (ODUj), from A to E is an ODU1 (called layer 1 > above). B receives a path message related to the ODU1 and starts a > signaling for an ODU2. C receives the ODU2 path message whose > destination is E and needs to "choose among a set of"/"request the > set up of" an ODU3 H-LSP from itself to E (loose ERO used). The only > thing that C knows is that the interface on E must be able to perform > an ODU2->ODU3 demuxing to extract the client traffic from the ODU2. > > This is not correct, the demuxing capability required on the > interface on E is ODU1->ODU2->ODU3 and the only way to let C know it, > is introducing the hierarchy in signaling. > > I think this is quite a corner case, more academic speculation than > real case, but if there is a 0,00001% possibility it can happen, we > should cover the case. Generally we/GMPLS has used crankback to handle odd-ball corner cases rather than complicating/optimizing the common case for the most complex cases. Is there a reason not to look to crankback for this extremely rare case? Thanks, Lou > > Please note that the problem does not exist using a strict ERO (which > i wuold suggest :-) > > Thanks, > Daniele > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] > Sent: marted 17 luglio 2012 16.18 > To: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger; Daniele Ceccarelli > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) > Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft > > > > Fatai, > > > > To recap my previous emails: > > > > 1) TSG info needs to be carried in signaling in the GPID > > 2) Any node that performs CSPF and selects the egress interface for an LSP needs to ensure that interfaces TSG is compatible with the ingress interfaces TSG as indicated in signaling (the GPID) > > 3) Signaling should not carry hierarchy info because signaling only instantiates a single ODUj > > 4) The ingress will sequentially signal multiple ODUj LSPs, each with a different value of j, in order to instantiate an OTN hierarchy between a given ingress/egress pair > > > > As an aside, just over a year ago, we had an extended discussion of this topic in which I argued in support of the Infinera approach of using a single signaling message to instantiate any necessary intermediate hierarchy in support of a given client ODUj, and nobody bought my arguments.. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:03 PM > To: Lou Berger; Daniele Ceccarelli > Cc: John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Fatai Zhang > Subject: : : : Updates on OTN signaling draft > > > > Hi Lou, > > > > [snip] > > > > Let's understand where we are, :-), > > > > If my following understanding is not correct, please list some items that we need to get the consensus. > > > > ======================================================================================================================= > > > > > Intra-OTN is missing, wrt actual MRN/MLN, the capability of signlaing the TSG, while Inter-OTN is missing also the Adaptation between client and server layers (e.g. Bit-sync vs Byte-sync mapping, X.86 vs GFP etc) > > > > > > [snip] > > > > fair enough. > > > > [Fatai] Did you mean (or agree) that intra-OTN is missing the capability of signaling the TSG? Should Inter-OTN be generic MRN/MLN? > > > > > It appears we came to the conclusion that a general "intra switch cap" work is needed (non OTN specific). > > > > > > My proposal was to include the problem statement in the bcg draft (so to make it cover both the inter and intra cases) and then work on a different encoding draft (I'm not sure the OTN signaling is the right place for general intra switch cap encoding. Maybe a pointer is more appropriate. > > > > Sounds workable to me (and aligned with what John was saying). Now let's see if others disagree or if we have consensus! > > > > [Fatai] I understood Daniele's proposal. However, focusing on OTN signaling draft, did you mean that this draft (OTN signaling) should focus on OTN specific (intra-OTN) as what it is or this draft should remove TSG or hierachy information or bothe of them (ie., GPID extension for TSG and hierachy inforamtion in LSPA)? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Fatai > > > > -----ʼԭ----- > : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > ʱ: 2012716 20:47 > ռ: Daniele Ceccarelli > : Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) > : Re: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft > > > > [snip] > > > From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Wed Jul 18 06:37:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1463B21F8709 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 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{1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] IETF 84 Draft Agenda Posted X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:29:02 -0000 All, The draft agenda for Vancouver is available at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/agenda/agenda-84-ccamp Please let us (Daniele & Dan + chairs) know if you have comments or if we missed anything. 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(draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-08) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:56:24 -0000 --_000_CC2D987D5EF9swallowciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Authors - Some comments just on the FM parts for now. Section 3.1.3. Configuration of Fault Management Signals The first three paragraphs of this section have nothing to do with Fault OA= M except the last phrase of the first paragraph, "and Fault Management Sign= al handling." The text in the first paragraph needs to be moved above the PM and Fault se= ctions. The second and third paragraphs belong in the PM section. The forth paragraph needs some work, but I defer on suggesting rewording un= til we decide the issues below. Section 3.5. MPLS OAM FMS sub-TLV 1. The way the section is written, it appears to be concerned with what si= gnals are produced by endpoints (as opposed to how endpoints will react to = received FM OAM). In that case, I don't see the point in having an "D" fla= g. LDI is a flag carried on the AIS message. If a implementation supports= the LDI flag it will set it appropriately. If it doesn't it will never se= t it. What configuration is needed? 2. Why do we need independent configuration of the L and A flags. Under w= hat circumstances would an operator want one and not the other? Remember t= hat options cost real $$$ to develop (small) and test (not so small since y= ou have to do all combinations and often test against multiple releases inc= luding interoperability with other vendors). 3. I believe operators will want to set FM timers on a node-wide basis (or= perhaps a card-wide basis). Generally I see no point in one end of a TP L= SP telling the other how this timer should be set. Further there is no nee= d for consistency in the two directions. If it were up to me I would drop = it. I suppose that is some rare circumstances if the End Service is MPLS-TP a c= ustomer (client of the SP) might want something special. So if folks want t= o retain it, then I suggest another flag that says timer field valid. The d= efault setting of the flag would be 0, I.e. no timer. 4. The draft correctly states that it is not intended to configure mid-poi= nt behavior of the server MEP. But I do believe it is worthwhile to have a= n FM subscription flag in the object for server layer MEPs to examine and d= etermine if the LSP would like any AIS/LKR messages that the server layer p= roduces sent on this LSP. This should be a SHOULD. Ie. At each hop of an= LSP, nodes SHOULD examine the FM subscription flag. If the flag is set th= en the server MEPs at this node SHOULD insert FM messages as appropriate in= this LSP. If the flag is not set these MEPs SHOULD NOT insert FM messages= . =85George --_000_CC2D987D5EF9swallowciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Author= s -

Some co= mments just on the FM parts for now.

Section=  3.1.3. = Configuration of Fault Management Signals

The first three para= graphs of this section have nothing to do with Fault OAM except the last phrase of the first paragraph, "and Fault Managem= ent Signal handling."

The text in the first paragraph needs to be moved above the PM= and Fault sections. The second and third paragraphs belong in the PM section.

The forth paragra= ph needs some work, but I defer on suggesting rewording until we decide the= issues below.
Section 3.5.  MPLS OAM FMS sub-TLV
1.  The way the section is written, it appears to =
be concerned with what signals are produced by endpoints (as opposed to how=
 endpoints will react to received FM OAM).  In that case, I don't see the p=
oint in having an "D" flag.  LDI is a flag carried on the AIS mes=
sage.  If a implementation supports the LDI flag it will set it appropriate=
ly.  If it doesn't it will never set it.  What configuration is needed?
2.  Why do we need independent configuration of the L and A flags.  Un=
der what circumstances would an operator want one and not the other?  Remem=
ber that options cost real $$$ to develop (small) and test (not so small si=
nce you have to do all combinations and often test against multiple release=
s including interoperability with other vendors).
3.  I believe operators will want to set FM timers on a node-wide basi=
s (or perhaps a card-wide basis).  Generally I see no point in one end of a=
 TP LSP telling the other how this timer should be set.  Further there is n=
o need for consistency in the two directions.  If it were up to me I w=
ould drop it.
I suppose that is some rare circumstances if the End Service is = MPLS-TP a customer (client of the SP) might want something special. So if f= olks want to retain it, then I suggest another flag that says timer field valid. The default setting of the flag = would be 0, I.e. no timer. 
4.  The draft correctly states that it is not intended to configure mi=
d-point behavior of the server MEP.  But I do believe it is worthwhile to h=
ave an FM subscription flag in the object for server layer MEPs to examine =
and determine if the LSP would like any AIS/LKR messages that the server la=
yer produces sent on this LSP.  This should be a SHOULD.  Ie.  At each hop =
of an LSP, nodes SHOULD examine the FM subscription flag.  If the flag is s=
et then the server MEPs at this node SHOULD insert FM messages as appropria=
te in this LSP.  If the flag is not set these MEPs SHOULD NOT insert FM mes=
sages.
=85George



--_000_CC2D987D5EF9swallowciscocom_-- From lberger@labn.net Thu Jul 19 08:38:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABECD21F86F3 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:38:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -93.721 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-93.721 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.194, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id InLZuGaDJbT8 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 390C821F844B for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1329 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2012 15:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2012 15:39:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Qc0JKMib24oqBcW55pCTaeqFkg8ohtRTSlateegMqKA=; b=w2FS3YkmMAi4lfFy/8WA/Z1hljwqSUCzmSs/Y1VHI1gJSgW5fHTiTJ72BkfoxLDhnZqp5fLbqIDCs8frMzMdyVUCzRd0eQK2FMYpUIdS/Gv50JjmGlnSydUW2wAYEZrj; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:47017 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SrspL-0002Rj-L4; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:39:43 -0600 Message-ID: <50082A3D.9090604@labn.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:39:41 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <500019A7.7060203@labn.net> <5000304B.3080007@labn.net> <50003B93.7060500@labn.net> <50040D47.7000209@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A85B5D37@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A87EEF8E@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A87EF322@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.n et> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A87EF322@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , Linyi Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogVXBkYXRlcyBvbiBPVE4gc2lnbmFs?= =?gb2312?b?aW5nIGRyYWZ0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:38:54 -0000 John, Just to be clear. This was a bit of a joke right? There are a plethora of platform and even network specific reasons that lead to specifying one address or another as both and LSP target and incoming interface of an egress. Some may recall the long discussions on incoming vs outgoing interfaces in EROs in the early days of MPLS. Like then, I (personally) think GMPLS should continue to avoid specifying behavior based on vendor implementation limitations. More seriously, if you really think there is a technology-specific restriction (rather than a particular vendor-limitation) then a BCP on ERO specification may be appropriate. Lou On 7/18/2012 5:00 PM, John E Drake wrote: > That's fair, but perhaps we should stipulate in an RFC 3471/3473 bis > that the ingress node MUST specify the egress interface in the ERO? > We seem to be spending a lot time and effort to work around this. > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:02 AM >> To: John E Drake; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >> >> Hi John, >> >> Yes it is, but it falls in the case I call strict ERO. >> When I use the term loose ERO I refer to an ERO lacking of some info >> (exactly that piece of information), when I refer to a strict ERO I >> speak about an ERO including info of all the hops (hence including that >> piece of information, the rest of the path is meaningless in this >> context). >> I know the terminology is not exact but I didn't want to invent new >> names when referring to an ERO with that info and ERO without it. >> >> BR >> Daniele >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>> Sent: mercoled 18 luglio 2012 17.58 >>> To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; >>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>> Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >>> (SERGIO) >>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>> >>> Daniele, >>> >>> You are correct. One question though, isn't it the case that it is >>> sufficient for the ingress to specify the egress interface in the ERO >>> rather than computing a strict ERO? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:30 AM >>>> To: John E Drake; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>> >>>> Hi John, >>>> >>>> partially agree. I think the hierarchy is still needed for >>> those cases >>>> in which 3 or more layer are being involved, in particular when the >>>> penultimate node, performing the choice of the FA, receives a >>>> signalling message of layer 2, needs to choose the FA at layer 3 and >>>> is not aware of layer 1. Let's try to make an example (switched to >>>> plain text for the drawing): >>>> >>>> ODU1-LSP >>>> ..................................................... >>>> | | >>>> | ODU2-H-LSP | >>>> | +======================================+ >>>> | | | >>>> | | | >>>> | | ODU3-H-LSP | >>>> | | |-------------------------| >>>> | | | | >>>> +--+--+ +-----+ +--+--+ +---+-+ +-----+ >>>> | | | | | | | | | | >>>> | A +------+ B +------+ C +------+ D |------+ E | >>>> | | | | | | | | | | >>>> +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ >>>> >>>> >>>> The LSP being signaled (ODUj), from A to E is an ODU1 >>> (called layer 1 >>>> above). B receives a path message related to the ODU1 and starts a >>>> signaling for an ODU2. C receives the ODU2 path message whose >>>> destination is E and needs to "choose among a set >>> of"/"request the set >>>> up of" an ODU3 H-LSP from itself to E (loose ERO used). The >>> only thing >>>> that C knows is that the interface on E must be able to perform an >>>> ODU2->ODU3 demuxing to extract the client traffic from the ODU2. >>>> >>>> This is not correct, the demuxing capability required on the >>> interface >>>> on E is ODU1->ODU2->ODU3 and the only way to let C know it, is >>>> introducing the hierarchy in signaling. >>>> >>>> I think this is quite a corner case, more academic speculation than >>>> real case, but if there is a 0,00001% possibility it can happen, we >>>> should cover the case. >>>> >>>> Please note that the problem does not exist using a strict >>> ERO (which >>>> i wuold suggest :-) >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Daniele >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> >>>> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>>> Sent: marted 17 luglio 2012 16.18 >>>> To: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger; Daniele Ceccarelli >>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Fatai, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To recap my previous emails: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1) TSG info needs to be carried in signaling in the GPID >>>> >>>> 2) Any node that performs CSPF and selects the egress >>>> interface for an LSP needs to ensure that interfaces TSG is >>>> compatible with the ingress interfaces TSG as indicated in >>> signaling >>>> (the GPID) >>>> >>>> 3) Signaling should not carry hierarchy info because >>>> signaling only instantiates a single ODUj >>>> >>>> 4) The ingress will sequentially signal multiple ODUj LSPs, >>>> each with a different value of j, in order to instantiate an OTN >>>> hierarchy between a given ingress/egress pair >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As an aside, just over a year ago, we had an extended >>> discussion of >>>> this topic in which I argued in support of the Infinera approach of >>>> using a single signaling message to instantiate any necessary >>>> intermediate hierarchy in support of a given client ODUj, and nobody >>>> bought my arguments.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] >>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:03 PM >>>> To: Lou Berger; Daniele Ceccarelli >>>> Cc: John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; >>> Rajan Rao; >>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Fatai Zhang >>>> Subject: : : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Lou, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let's understand where we are, :-), >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If my following understanding is not correct, please >>> list some items >>>> that we need to get the consensus. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ================================================================= >>>> ====================================================== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > Intra-OTN is missing, wrt actual MRN/MLN, the capability of >>>> signlaing the TSG, while Inter-OTN is missing also the Adaptation >>>> between client and server layers (e.g. Bit-sync vs Byte-sync >> mapping, >>>> X.86 vs GFP etc) >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > [snip] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> fair enough. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Did you mean (or agree) that intra-OTN is missing the >>>> capability of signaling the TSG? Should Inter-OTN be generic >> MRN/MLN? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > It appears we came to the conclusion that a general >>> "intra switch >>>> cap" work is needed (non OTN specific). >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > My proposal was to include the problem statement in >>> the bcg draft >>>> (so to make it cover both the inter and intra cases) and >>> then work on >>>> a different encoding draft (I'm not sure the OTN signaling is the >>>> right place for general intra switch cap encoding. Maybe a >>> pointer is >>>> more appropriate. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sounds workable to me (and aligned with what John was saying). >>>> Now let's see if others disagree or if we have consensus! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [Fatai] I understood Daniele's proposal. However, >>> focusing on OTN >>>> signaling draft, did you mean that this draft (OTN signaling) should >>>> focus on OTN specific (intra-OTN) as what it is or this draft should >>>> remove TSG or hierachy information or bothe of them (ie., GPID >>>> extension for TSG and hierachy inforamtion in LSPA)? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Fatai >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>> ʱ: 2012716 20:47 >>>> ռ: Daniele Ceccarelli >>>> : Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema >>> Pithewan; >>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; >>> Rajan Rao; >>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>> (SERGIO) >>>> : Re: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>> >>> >>> From lberger@labn.net Thu Jul 19 08:44:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3949121F8714 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:44:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -93.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-93.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.140, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CmQXhrJe9b4m for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy10-pub.bluehost.com (unknown [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2017C21F86EB for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16035 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2012 15:45:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy10.bluehost.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2012 15:45:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=oISEHRSN4VyUBOaAwfyP/NOdIwuEvHd7y457aouRcKI=; b=FkX45EFOZUp5lnf6I4DiATL4rk7C1ylkGL6exk6EDaPLUXfzcKmA9Phr2T8+nI2aVThBJsNsmWQklsUG029B/zvl7/g/3dS4VOAhviNoGBo0B6dM3iSEf1/E3vyrHC9P; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:47633 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SrsvA-0004xV-Ev; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:45:44 -0600 Message-ID: <50082BA5.8070601@labn.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:45:41 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <500019A7.7060203@labn.net> <5000304B.3080007@labn.net> <50003B93.7060500@labn.net> <50040D47.7000209@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A85B5D37@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A87EEF8E@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A87EF322@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A87EF722@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A87EF722@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , Linyi Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogVXBkYXRlcyBvbiBPVE4gc2lnbmFs?= =?gb2312?b?aW5nIGRyYWZ0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:44:56 -0000 John/All, It sounds like we've reach some agreement on this thread, right? (As participant in thread) I read that the conclusion is to not optimize for a very special corner case and: 1) basically treat the intra-OTN case the same as any other MRN/MLN case (leveraging GPID, and no new hierarchy object) 2) Use Daniele's new draft on MRN/MLN as the starting point in the discussion of how to address the limitations in MRN/MLN identified in this discussion. Did I miss anything? Thanks, Lou On 7/19/2012 7:09 AM, John E Drake wrote: > Daniele, > > What concerns me is that we are headed in a design direction in which > signaling is required to carry all of the information necessary to > allow any intermediate node to select the egress interface for an > LSP. The issue I have with this is that it requires every > intermediate node to have exactly the same capabilities as the > ingress/egress nodes, which makes the incremental introduction of new > capabilities more challenging. > > Allowing heterogeneous nodal capabilities is one of the reasons we > include all of this information in routing in the first place. > > Thanks, > > John > > Sent from my iPhone > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] >> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:20 AM >> To: John E Drake; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >> >> That could be another option perfectly reasonable. >> >> However I don't know which one is faster and cheaper. An RFC bis >> modifies the behavior of existing implementaitons while an totally new >> object already defined that only needs to be imported into the new >> MRN/MLN extensions only applies to new implementations. >> I assume the existing ones rely on cranck-backs or EROs including, >> among the others, the egress interface (e.g. strict ERO). >> >> Thanks, >> Daniele >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>> Sent: mercoled 18 luglio 2012 23.01 >>> To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; >>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); >>> Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >>> (SERGIO) >>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>> >>> That's fair, but perhaps we should stipulate in an RFC >>> 3471/3473 bis that the ingress node MUST specify the egress interface >>> in the ERO? We seem to be spending a lot time and effort to work >>> around this. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:02 AM >>>> To: John E Drake; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>> >>>> Hi John, >>>> >>>> Yes it is, but it falls in the case I call strict ERO. >>>> When I use the term loose ERO I refer to an ERO lacking of some info >>>> (exactly that piece of information), when I refer to a strict ERO I >>>> speak about an ERO including info of all the hops (hence including >>>> that piece of information, the rest of the path is >>> meaningless in this >>>> context). >>>> I know the terminology is not exact but I didn't want to invent new >>>> names when referring to an ERO with that info and ERO without it. >>>> >>>> BR >>>> Daniele >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>>>> Sent: mercoled 18 luglio 2012 17.58 >>>>> To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>>> (SERGIO) >>>>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>> >>>>> Daniele, >>>>> >>>>> You are correct. One question though, isn't it the case that it is >>>>> sufficient for the ingress to specify the egress interface >>> in the ERO >>>>> rather than computing a strict ERO? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:30 AM >>>>>> To: John E Drake; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan >>>>>> Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>> >>>>>> partially agree. I think the hierarchy is still needed for >>>>> those cases >>>>>> in which 3 or more layer are being involved, in >>> particular when the >>>>>> penultimate node, performing the choice of the FA, receives a >>>>>> signalling message of layer 2, needs to choose the FA at layer 3 >>>>>> and is not aware of layer 1. Let's try to make an example >>> (switched >>>>>> to plain text for the drawing): >>>>>> >>>>>> ODU1-LSP >>>>>> ..................................................... >>>>>> | | >>>>>> | ODU2-H-LSP | >>>>>> | +======================================+ >>>>>> | | | >>>>>> | | | >>>>>> | | ODU3-H-LSP | >>>>>> | | |-------------------------| >>>>>> | | | | >>>>>> +--+--+ +-----+ +--+--+ +---+-+ >>> +-----+ >>>>>> | | | | | | | | >>> | | >>>>>> | A +------+ B +------+ C +------+ D >>> |------+ E | >>>>>> | | | | | | | | >>> | | >>>>>> +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ >>> +-----+ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The LSP being signaled (ODUj), from A to E is an ODU1 >>>>> (called layer 1 >>>>>> above). B receives a path message related to the ODU1 and >>> starts a >>>>>> signaling for an ODU2. C receives the ODU2 path message whose >>>>>> destination is E and needs to "choose among a set >>>>> of"/"request the set >>>>>> up of" an ODU3 H-LSP from itself to E (loose ERO used). The >>>>> only thing >>>>>> that C knows is that the interface on E must be able to perform >> an >>>>>> ODU2->ODU3 demuxing to extract the client traffic from the ODU2. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is not correct, the demuxing capability required on the >>>>> interface >>>>>> on E is ODU1->ODU2->ODU3 and the only way to let C know it, is >>>>>> introducing the hierarchy in signaling. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think this is quite a corner case, more academic >>> speculation than >>>>>> real case, but if there is a 0,00001% possibility it can >>> happen, we >>>>>> should cover the case. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please note that the problem does not exist using a strict >>>>> ERO (which >>>>>> i wuold suggest :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Daniele >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>>>>> Sent: marted 17 luglio 2012 16.18 >>>>>> To: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger; Daniele Ceccarelli >>>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Fatai, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To recap my previous emails: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) TSG info needs to be carried in signaling in the >> GPID >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Any node that performs CSPF and selects the egress >>>>>> interface for an LSP needs to ensure that interfaces TSG is >>>>>> compatible with the ingress interfaces TSG as indicated in >>>>> signaling >>>>>> (the GPID) >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) Signaling should not carry hierarchy info because >>>>>> signaling only instantiates a single ODUj >>>>>> >>>>>> 4) The ingress will sequentially signal multiple ODUj >> LSPs, >>>>>> each with a different value of j, in order to instantiate an OTN >>>>>> hierarchy between a given ingress/egress pair >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As an aside, just over a year ago, we had an extended >>>>> discussion of >>>>>> this topic in which I argued in support of the Infinera >>> approach of >>>>>> using a single signaling message to instantiate any necessary >>>>>> intermediate hierarchy in support of a given client ODUj, and >>>>>> nobody bought my arguments.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] >>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:03 PM >>>>>> To: Lou Berger; Daniele Ceccarelli >>>>>> Cc: John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; >>>>> Rajan Rao; >>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Fatai Zhang >>>>>> Subject: : : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [snip] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's understand where we are, :-), >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If my following understanding is not correct, please >>>>> list some items >>>>>> that we need to get the consensus. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ================================================================= >>>>>> ====================================================== >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > Intra-OTN is missing, wrt actual MRN/MLN, the capability >> of >>>>>> signlaing the TSG, while Inter-OTN is missing also the Adaptation >>>>>> between client and server layers (e.g. Bit-sync vs Byte-sync >>>> mapping, >>>>>> X.86 vs GFP etc) >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > [snip] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> fair enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [Fatai] Did you mean (or agree) that intra-OTN is missing >> the >>>>>> capability of signaling the TSG? Should Inter-OTN be generic >>>> MRN/MLN? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > It appears we came to the conclusion that a general >>>>> "intra switch >>>>>> cap" work is needed (non OTN specific). >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > My proposal was to include the problem statement in >>>>> the bcg draft >>>>>> (so to make it cover both the inter and intra cases) and >>>>> then work on >>>>>> a different encoding draft (I'm not sure the OTN signaling is the >>>>>> right place for general intra switch cap encoding. Maybe a >>>>> pointer is >>>>>> more appropriate. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sounds workable to me (and aligned with what John was >> saying). >>>>>> Now let's see if others disagree or if we have consensus! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [Fatai] I understood Daniele's proposal. However, >>>>> focusing on OTN >>>>>> signaling draft, did you mean that this draft (OTN signaling) >>>>>> should focus on OTN specific (intra-OTN) as what it is or this >>>>>> draft should remove TSG or hierachy information or bothe of them >>>>>> (ie., GPID extension for TSG and hierachy inforamtion in LSPA)? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Fatai >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>> ʱ: 2012716 20:47 >>>>>> ռ: Daniele Ceccarelli >>>>>> : Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema >>>>> Pithewan; >>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; >>>>> Rajan Rao; >>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>>>> (SERGIO) >>>>>> : Re: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [snip] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> From jdrake@juniper.net Thu Jul 19 08:55:11 2012 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<5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A87EF835@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A87EF835@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , Linyi Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogVXBkYXRlcyBvbiBPVE4gc2lnbmFs?= =?gb2312?b?aW5nIGRyYWZ0?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:11:59 -0000 On 7/19/2012 11:54 AM, John E Drake wrote: > This sounds like a plan. great! > Lou, if the signaling draft could be > re-spun with these changes prior to Vancouver, then could we discuss > the draft there and set the stage for a LC of it and the routing > draft? I assume you're asking a chair question. From the WG process (and chair) standpoint: - it's always good practice to have a WG draft reflect changes discussed by the WG at the earliest opportunity, which would be on Monday 7/30 in this case. - WG presentations really should be aimed at reviewing recent changes/agreements and identifying/resolving open issues. So, it would be a mistake for a WG presentation to omit progress on the list just because the progress took place after the ID cutoff. - WRT LC. Clearly LC can't happen until all anticipated updates are published. Let's also see how the discussion goes in Vancouver -- we have put time on the agenda to discuss any remaining open issues. Lou > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 8:46 AM >> To: John E Drake >> Cc: Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; >> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >> Subject: Re: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >> >> John/All, >> It sounds like we've reach some agreement on this thread, right? >> >> (As participant in thread) I read that the conclusion is to not >> optimize for a very special corner case and: >> 1) basically treat the intra-OTN case the same as any other MRN/MLN >> case >> (leveraging GPID, and no new hierarchy object) >> 2) Use Daniele's new draft on MRN/MLN as the starting point in the >> discussion of how to address the limitations in MRN/MLN identified in >> this discussion. >> >> Did I miss anything? >> >> Thanks, >> Lou >> >> On 7/19/2012 7:09 AM, John E Drake wrote: >>> Daniele, >>> >>> What concerns me is that we are headed in a design direction in which >>> signaling is required to carry all of the information necessary to >>> allow any intermediate node to select the egress interface for an >> LSP. >>> The issue I have with this is that it requires every intermediate >> node >>> to have exactly the same capabilities as the ingress/egress nodes, >>> which makes the incremental introduction of new capabilities more >>> challenging. >>> >>> Allowing heterogeneous nodal capabilities is one of the reasons we >>> include all of this information in routing in the first place. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:20 AM >>>> To: John E Drake; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>> >>>> That could be another option perfectly reasonable. >>>> >>>> However I don't know which one is faster and cheaper. An RFC bis >>>> modifies the behavior of existing implementaitons while an totally >>>> new object already defined that only needs to be imported into the >>>> new MRN/MLN extensions only applies to new implementations. >>>> I assume the existing ones rely on cranck-backs or EROs including, >>>> among the others, the egress interface (e.g. strict ERO). >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Daniele >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>>>> Sent: mercoled 18 luglio 2012 23.01 >>>>> To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>>> (SERGIO) >>>>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>> >>>>> That's fair, but perhaps we should stipulate in an RFC >>>>> 3471/3473 bis that the ingress node MUST specify the egress >>>>> interface in the ERO? We seem to be spending a lot time and effort >>>>> to work around this. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:02 AM >>>>>> To: John E Drake; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan >>>>>> Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes it is, but it falls in the case I call strict ERO. >>>>>> When I use the term loose ERO I refer to an ERO lacking of some >>>>>> info (exactly that piece of information), when I refer to a strict >>>>>> ERO I speak about an ERO including info of all the hops (hence >>>>>> including that piece of information, the rest of the path is >>>>> meaningless in this >>>>>> context). >>>>>> I know the terminology is not exact but I didn't want to invent >> new >>>>>> names when referring to an ERO with that info and ERO without it. >>>>>> >>>>>> BR >>>>>> Daniele >>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>>>>>> Sent: mercoled 18 luglio 2012 17.58 >>>>>>> To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>>>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>>>>> (SERGIO) >>>>>>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Daniele, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are correct. One question though, isn't it the case that it >>>>>>> is sufficient for the ingress to specify the egress interface >>>>> in the ERO >>>>>>> rather than computing a strict ERO? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Daniele Ceccarelli >> [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:30 AM >>>>>>>> To: John E Drake; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>>>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan >>>>>>>> Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> partially agree. I think the hierarchy is still needed for >>>>>>> those cases >>>>>>>> in which 3 or more layer are being involved, in >>>>> particular when the >>>>>>>> penultimate node, performing the choice of the FA, receives a >>>>>>>> signalling message of layer 2, needs to choose the FA at layer 3 >>>>>>>> and is not aware of layer 1. Let's try to make an example >>>>> (switched >>>>>>>> to plain text for the drawing): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ODU1-LSP >>>>>>>> ..................................................... >>>>>>>> | | >>>>>>>> | ODU2-H-LSP | >>>>>>>> | +======================================+ >>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>> | | | >>>>>>>> | | ODU3-H-LSP | >>>>>>>> | | |-------------------------| >>>>>>>> | | | | >>>>>>>> +--+--+ +-----+ +--+--+ +---+-+ >>>>> +-----+ >>>>>>>> | | | | | | | | >>>>> | | >>>>>>>> | A +------+ B +------+ C +------+ D >>>>> |------+ E | >>>>>>>> | | | | | | | | >>>>> | | >>>>>>>> +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ >>>>> +-----+ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The LSP being signaled (ODUj), from A to E is an ODU1 >>>>>>> (called layer 1 >>>>>>>> above). B receives a path message related to the ODU1 and >>>>> starts a >>>>>>>> signaling for an ODU2. C receives the ODU2 path message whose >>>>>>>> destination is E and needs to "choose among a set >>>>>>> of"/"request the set >>>>>>>> up of" an ODU3 H-LSP from itself to E (loose ERO used). The >>>>>>> only thing >>>>>>>> that C knows is that the interface on E must be able to perform >>>> an >>>>>>>> ODU2->ODU3 demuxing to extract the client traffic from the ODU2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is not correct, the demuxing capability required on the >>>>>>> interface >>>>>>>> on E is ODU1->ODU2->ODU3 and the only way to let C know it, is >>>>>>>> introducing the hierarchy in signaling. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think this is quite a corner case, more academic >>>>> speculation than >>>>>>>> real case, but if there is a 0,00001% possibility it can >>>>> happen, we >>>>>>>> should cover the case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please note that the problem does not exist using a strict >>>>>>> ERO (which >>>>>>>> i wuold suggest :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Daniele >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>>>>>>> Sent: marted 17 luglio 2012 16.18 >>>>>>>> To: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger; Daniele Ceccarelli >>>>>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO >> (PIETRO >>>>>>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fatai, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To recap my previous emails: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) TSG info needs to be carried in signaling in the >>>> GPID >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) Any node that performs CSPF and selects the egress >>>>>>>> interface for an LSP needs to ensure that interfaces TSG is >>>>>>>> compatible with the ingress interfaces TSG as indicated in >>>>>>> signaling >>>>>>>> (the GPID) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3) Signaling should not carry hierarchy info because >>>>>>>> signaling only instantiates a single ODUj >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4) The ingress will sequentially signal multiple ODUj >>>> LSPs, >>>>>>>> each with a different value of j, in order to instantiate an OTN >>>>>>>> hierarchy between a given ingress/egress pair >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As an aside, just over a year ago, we had an extended >>>>>>> discussion of >>>>>>>> this topic in which I argued in support of the Infinera >>>>> approach of >>>>>>>> using a single signaling message to instantiate any necessary >>>>>>>> intermediate hierarchy in support of a given client ODUj, and >>>>>>>> nobody bought my arguments.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:03 PM >>>>>>>> To: Lou Berger; Daniele Ceccarelli >>>>>>>> Cc: John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; >>>>>>> Rajan Rao; >>>>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Fatai Zhang >>>>>>>> Subject: : : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let's understand where we are, :-), >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If my following understanding is not correct, please >>>>>>> list some items >>>>>>>> that we need to get the consensus. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ================================================================= >>>>>>>> ====================================================== >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > Intra-OTN is missing, wrt actual MRN/MLN, the capability >>>> of >>>>>>>> signlaing the TSG, while Inter-OTN is missing also the >> Adaptation >>>>>>>> between client and server layers (e.g. Bit-sync vs Byte-sync >>>>>> mapping, >>>>>>>> X.86 vs GFP etc) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > [snip] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> fair enough. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [Fatai] Did you mean (or agree) that intra-OTN is missing >>>> the >>>>>>>> capability of signaling the TSG? Should Inter-OTN be generic >>>>>> MRN/MLN? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > It appears we came to the conclusion that a general >>>>>>> "intra switch >>>>>>>> cap" work is needed (non OTN specific). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > My proposal was to include the problem statement in >>>>>>> the bcg draft >>>>>>>> (so to make it cover both the inter and intra cases) and >>>>>>> then work on >>>>>>>> a different encoding draft (I'm not sure the OTN signaling is >> the >>>>>>>> right place for general intra switch cap encoding. Maybe a >>>>>>> pointer is >>>>>>>> more appropriate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sounds workable to me (and aligned with what John was >>>> saying). >>>>>>>> Now let's see if others disagree or if we have consensus! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [Fatai] I understood Daniele's proposal. However, >>>>>>> focusing on OTN >>>>>>>> signaling draft, did you mean that this draft (OTN signaling) >>>>>>>> should focus on OTN specific (intra-OTN) as what it is or this >>>>>>>> draft should remove TSG or hierachy information or bothe of them >>>>>>>> (ie., GPID extension for TSG and hierachy inforamtion in LSPA)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fatai >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>>>>>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>>>> ʱ: 2012716 20:47 >>>>>>>> ռ: Daniele Ceccarelli >>>>>>>> : Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema >>>>>>> Pithewan; >>>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; >>>>>>> Rajan Rao; >>>>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>>>>>> (SERGIO) >>>>>>>> : Re: : : Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 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required=5 tests=[AWL=0.467, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id esvha7irA2u8; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC3621F862B; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:12:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p3 Message-ID: <20120720141229.28153.3263.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:12:29 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ccamp-rfc5787bis-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:12:30 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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. Title : ASON Routing for OSPFv2 Protocols Author(s) : A. Malis, et al Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rfc5787bis Pages : 30 Date : July 20, 2012 The ITU-T has defined an architecture and requirements for operating an Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON). The Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) protocol suite is designed to provide a control plane for a range of network technologies including optical networks such as time division multiplexing (TDM) networks including SONET/SDH and Optical Transport Networks (OTNs), and lambda switching optical networks. The requirements for GMPLS routing to satisfy the requirements of ASON routing, and an evaluation of existing GMPLS routing protocols are provided in other documents. This document defines extensions to the OSPFv2 Link State Routing Protocol to meet the requirements for routing in an ASON. Note that this work is scoped to the requirements and evaluation expressed in RFC 4258 and RFC 4652 and the ITU-T Recommendations current when those documents were written. Future extensions of revisions of this work may be necessary if the ITU-T Recommendations are revised or if new requirements are introduced into a revision of RFC 4258. This document obsoletes RFC 5787 and updates RFC 5786. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-rfc5787bis-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ccamp-rfc5787bis"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2012-07-20071229.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Fri Jul 20 11:19:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8360B11E80C0; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:19:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.559 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.559 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.040, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id egdNk2a-e6xE; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51A511E8097; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p3 Message-ID: <20120720181915.11511.2284.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:19:15 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Last Call: (ASON Routing for OSPFv2 Protocols) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:19:16 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG (ccamp) to consider the following document: - 'ASON Routing for OSPFv2 Protocols' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-08-17. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. This is a four- week last call period because it spans the IETF-84 meeting. Abstract The ITU-T has defined an architecture and requirements for operating an Automatically Switched Optical Network (ASON). The Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) protocol suite is designed to provide a control plane for a range of network technologies including optical networks such as time division multiplexing (TDM) networks including SONET/SDH and Optical Transport Networks (OTNs), and lambda switching optical networks. The requirements for GMPLS routing to satisfy the requirements of ASON routing, and an evaluation of existing GMPLS routing protocols are provided in other documents. This document defines extensions to the OSPFv2 Link State Routing Protocol to meet the requirements for routing in an ASON. Note that this work is scoped to the requirements and evaluation expressed in RFC 4258 and RFC 4652 and the ITU-T Recommendations current when those documents were written. Future extensions of revisions of this work may be necessary if the ITU-T Recommendations are revised or if new requirements are introduced into a revision of RFC 4258. This document obsoletes RFC 5787 and updates RFC 5786. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rfc5787bis/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rfc5787bis/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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Daniele Ceccarelli References: <50040D47.7000209@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A85B5D37@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A87EEF8E@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A87EF322@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2012 15:24:46.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A964AB0:01CD68E7] Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiDnrZTlpI06IOetlOWkjTogVXBkYXRlcyBv?= =?utf-8?q?n_OTN_signaling_draft?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:24:50 -0000 Hi Fatai, hi Daniele. It feels like the proposed wording is leaving out the case of "homogeneous hierarchy + different TSGs": is it on purpose? Since it is not obvious if you are talking about data plane capabilities or control plane supports, what about adding something like the following? "If component links supporting an homogeneous hierarchy but different TSGs are bundled together, the smallest commonly supported TSG SHOULD be used (i.e. fallback is forced for lower granularity components)." Regards, Julien Le 23/07/2012 05:05, Fatai Zhang a écrit : > Hi Daniele, > > If non-homogeneous component links MUST NOT be bundled together, it means that component links with different characteristics MUST be advertised in different LSAs (as different TE links) instead of different ISCDs in the same LSA (as one single TE link). > > Therefore, I would suggest the following text by removing "and a different ISCD MUST be used for each different muxing hierarchy (muxing tree in the following examples) and different TSG supported within the TE Link, if it includes component links with differing characteristics." , because this text conflicts with " Component links supporting non homogenous hierarchies MUST NOT be bundled together". > > Hope all the people are interested in OTN protocol to review this NEW text. > > NEW: > A single ISCD MAY be used for the advertisement of unbundled or > bundled links supporting homogeneous multiplexing hierarchies and the > same Tributary Slot Granularity (TSG). Component links supporting non homogenous > hierarchies MUST NOT be bundled together. > > > > Thanks > > Fatai > > -----邮件原件----- > 发件人: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] > 发送时间: 2012年7月20日 17:53 > 收件人: Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; Lou Berger > 抄送: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) > 主题: RE: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft > > Hi Fatai, > > 1. wrt the text in the OSPF draft - I was assuming that the text was implying that component links with non homogeneous hierarchies could not be bundled, but maybe it is bettere making it explicit. What about: > > OLD: > A single ISCD MAY be used for the advertisement of unbundled or > bundled links supporting homogeneous multiplexing hierarchies and the > same Tributary Slot Granularity (TSG). A different ISCD MUST be used > for each different muxing hierarchy (muxing tree in the following > examples) and different TSG supported within the TE Link, if it > includes component links with differing characteristics. > NEW: > A single ISCD MAY be used for the advertisement of unbundled or > bundled links supporting homogeneous multiplexing hierarchies and the > same Tributary Slot Granularity (TSG). Component links supporting non homogenous > hierarchies MUST NOT be bundled together and a different ISCD MUST be used > for each different muxing hierarchy (muxing tree in the following > examples) and different TSG supported within the TE Link, if it > includes component links with differing characteristics. > > I just realized that the version -03 we've been working on has not been published. I'll introduce this change in the -03 version and upload it on July 30th. > > 2. Wrt the utilization of the "strict ERO" - All the past considerations are still true as the bundling of only homogenous hierarchies has been taken into account. Hence the "strict ERO" is still needed because the information needed by the penultimate hop for the H-LSP choice is not only depending on what is the H-LSP capability but what is being carried by the LSP being signaled. > > Thanks, > Daniele > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] >> Sent: venerdì 20 luglio 2012 9.52 >> To: Daniele Ceccarelli; John E Drake; Lou Berger >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; >> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; >> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >> Subject: 答复: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >> >> Hi Daniele, >> >> Correct. What you said is my suggestion in 11th July (ie., >> remove link bundling (or bundle the homogeneous component links). >> >> However, the quoted text from [OTN-OSPF] draft, it allows to >> bundle heterogeneous component links by different ISCDs. If it >> states explicitly that only homogeneous component links could >> be bundled (ie., heterogeneous component links MUST not >> bundled), then what you said below is completely correct. >> >> Let's step further, if no bundling or only bundling the >> homogeneous component links, there is no need to have >> hierarchy information and no need to have "strict" ERO (ie., >> indicate egress interface), because the node can pick up the >> component link locally (ie., any of the component is fine). >> >> This should be the perfect solution. >> >> Is this clear now? >> >> =============================================================== >> ====================================================== >> For each bundled TE link you can only have component links >> with the same hierarchy and TSG supported, so any component >> link of the bundled link works fine and there is no need to >> indicate the component link ID but just the TE-link. >> >> >>> " A single ISCD MAY be used for the advertisement of >> unbundled or bundled links supporting homogeneous multiplexing >> hierarchies and the same Tributary Slot Granularity (TSG). A >> different ISCD MUST be used for each different muxing >> hierarchy (muxing tree in the following examples) and >> different TSG supported within the TE Link, if it includes >> component links with differing characteristics. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Fatai >> >> >> -----邮件原件----- >> 发件人: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] >> 发送时间: 2012年7月19日 20:05 >> 收件人: Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; Lou Berger >> 抄送: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; >> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; >> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >> 主题: RE: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >> >> Hi Fatai, >> >> Please find comments/replies in line >> >> Thanks, >> Daniele >>> Hi John and Daniele, >>> >>> It seems that people are converging. If we step further, I >> think people >>> can understand the bundling issue that I raised in 13rd July. >>> >>> The problem is how we can specify the egress interface (ID) ? >>> To be precise, it is egress interface of penultimate node of >> the H-LSP. >> >> Correct, but indeed it is the same thing, isn't it? >> >>> As I said in 13rd July, for a bundling link, it just shows the >>> collection capability of all the component links and it cannot >>> differentiate which component can support which capability. >>> >>> To clarify the quoted text from Daniele, the routing approach below >>> still cannot differentiate which component can support which >>> capability, because there is no association between one specific >>> component link (ID) and one specific capability is advertised in the >>> routing. >> For each bundled TE link you can only have component links >> with the same hierarhcy and TSG supported, so any component >> link of the bundled link works fine and there is no need to >> indicate the component link ID but just the TE-link. >> >>> =============================================================== >>> =============================================== >>> bundling is not a problem IMHO, as the OTN ID already states that: >>> >>> " A single ISCD MAY be used for the advertisement of unbundled or >>> bundled links supporting homogeneous multiplexing hierarchies and the >>> same Tributary Slot Granularity (TSG). A different ISCD MUST be used >>> for each different muxing hierarchy (muxing tree in the following >>> examples) and different TSG supported within the TE Link, if it >>> includes component links with differing characteristics. " >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Fatai >>> >>> >>> -----邮件原件----- >>> 发件人: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>> 发送时间: 2012年7月19日 5:01 >>> 收件人: Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>> 抄送: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; >>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; >>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>> 主题: RE: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>> >>> That's fair, but perhaps we should stipulate in an RFC >>> 3471/3473 bis that the ingress node MUST specify the egress >>> interface in the ERO? We seem to be spending a lot time and >>> effort to work around this. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:02 AM >>>> To: John E Drake; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>> Subject: RE: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>> >>>> Hi John, >>>> >>>> Yes it is, but it falls in the case I call strict ERO. >>>> When I use the term loose ERO I refer to an ERO lacking of >> some info >>>> (exactly that piece of information), when I refer to a strict ERO I >>>> speak about an ERO including info of all the hops (hence including >>>> that piece of information, the rest of the path is >>> meaningless in this >>>> context). >>>> I know the terminology is not exact but I didn't want to invent new >>>> names when referring to an ERO with that info and ERO without it. >>>> >>>> BR >>>> Daniele >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>>>> Sent: mercoledì 18 luglio 2012 17.58 >>>>> To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>>> (SERGIO) >>>>> Subject: RE: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>> >>>>> Daniele, >>>>> >>>>> You are correct. One question though, isn't it the case >> that it is >>>>> sufficient for the ingress to specify the egress interface >>> in the ERO >>>>> rather than computing a strict ERO? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:30 AM >>>>>> To: John E Drake; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger >>>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan >>>>>> Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>> Subject: RE: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>> >>>>>> partially agree. I think the hierarchy is still needed for >>>>> those cases >>>>>> in which 3 or more layer are being involved, in >>> particular when the >>>>>> penultimate node, performing the choice of the FA, receives a >>>>>> signalling message of layer 2, needs to choose the FA at layer 3 >>>>>> and is not aware of layer 1. Let's try to make an example >>> (switched >>>>>> to plain text for the drawing): >>>>>> >>>>>> ODU1-LSP >>>>>> ..................................................... >>>>>> | | >>>>>> | ODU2-H-LSP | >>>>>> | +======================================+ >>>>>> | | | >>>>>> | | | >>>>>> | | ODU3-H-LSP | >>>>>> | | |-------------------------| >>>>>> | | | | >>>>>> +--+--+ +-----+ +--+--+ +---+-+ >>> +-----+ >>>>>> | | | | | | | | >>> | | >>>>>> | A +------+ B +------+ C +------+ D >>> |------+ E | >>>>>> | | | | | | | | >>> | | >>>>>> +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ >>> +-----+ >>>>>> >>>>>> The LSP being signaled (ODUj), from A to E is an ODU1 >>>>> (called layer 1 >>>>>> above). B receives a path message related to the ODU1 and >>> starts a >>>>>> signaling for an ODU2. C receives the ODU2 path message whose >>>>>> destination is E and needs to "choose among a set >>>>> of"/"request the set >>>>>> up of" an ODU3 H-LSP from itself to E (loose ERO used). The >>>>> only thing >>>>>> that C knows is that the interface on E must be able to >> perform an >>>>>> ODU2->ODU3 demuxing to extract the client traffic from the ODU2. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is not correct, the demuxing capability required on the >>>>> interface >>>>>> on E is ODU1->ODU2->ODU3 and the only way to let C know it, is >>>>>> introducing the hierarchy in signaling. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think this is quite a corner case, more academic >>> speculation than >>>>>> real case, but if there is a 0,00001% possibility it can >>> happen, we >>>>>> should cover the case. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please note that the problem does not exist using a strict >>>>> ERO (which >>>>>> i wuold suggest :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Daniele >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>>>>> Sent: martedì 17 luglio 2012 16.18 >>>>>> To: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger; Daniele Ceccarelli >>>>>> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO >> VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; IBryskin@advaoptical.com; >>>>>> BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>> Subject: RE: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Fatai, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To recap my previous emails: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) TSG info needs to be carried in signaling in the GPID >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Any node that performs CSPF and selects the egress >>>>>> interface for an LSP needs to ensure that interface’s TSG is >>>>>> compatible with the ingress interface’s TSG as indicated in >>>>> signaling >>>>>> (the GPID) >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) Signaling should not carry hierarchy info because >>>>>> signaling only instantiates a single ODUj >>>>>> >>>>>> 4) The ingress will sequentially signal multiple ODUj LSPs, >>>>>> each with a different value of j, in order to instantiate an OTN >>>>>> hierarchy between a given ingress/egress pair >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As an aside, just over a year ago, we had an extended >>>>> discussion of >>>>>> this topic in which I argued in support of the Infinera >>> approach of >>>>>> using a single signaling message to instantiate any necessary >>>>>> intermediate hierarchy in support of a given client ODUj, and >>>>>> nobody bought my arguments.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] >>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:03 PM >>>>>> To: Lou Berger; Daniele Ceccarelli >>>>>> Cc: John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; >>>>> Rajan Rao; >>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); Fatai Zhang >>>>>> Subject: 答复: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [snip] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's understand where we are, :-), >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If my following understanding is not correct, please >>>>> list some items >>>>>> that we need to get the consensus. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ================================================================= >>>>>> ====================================================== >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > Intra-OTN is missing, wrt actual MRN/MLN, the capability of >>>>>> signlaing the TSG, while Inter-OTN is missing also the >> Adaptation >>>>>> between client and server layers (e.g. Bit-sync vs Byte-sync >>>> mapping, >>>>>> X.86 vs GFP etc) >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > [snip] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> fair enough. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [Fatai] Did you mean (or agree) that intra-OTN is missing the >>>>>> capability of signaling the TSG? Should Inter-OTN be generic >>>> MRN/MLN? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > It appears we came to the conclusion that a general >>>>> "intra switch >>>>>> cap" work is needed (non OTN specific). >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > My proposal was to include the problem statement in >>>>> the bcg draft >>>>>> (so to make it cover both the inter and intra cases) and >>>>> then work on >>>>>> a different encoding draft (I'm not sure the OTN >> signaling is the >>>>>> right place for general intra switch cap encoding. Maybe a >>>>> pointer is >>>>>> more appropriate. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sounds workable to me (and aligned with what John was saying). >>>>>> Now let's see if others disagree or if we have consensus! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [Fatai] I understood Daniele's proposal. However, >>>>> focusing on OTN >>>>>> signaling draft, did you mean that this draft (OTN signaling) >>>>>> should focus on OTN specific (intra-OTN) as what it is or this >>>>>> draft should remove TSG or hierachy information or bothe of them >>>>>> (ie., GPID extension for TSG and hierachy inforamtion in LSPA)? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Fatai >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----邮件原件----- >>>>>> 发件人: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>>>>> 发送时间: 2012年7月16日 20:47 >>>>>> 收件人: Daniele Ceccarelli >>>>>> 抄送: Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema >>>>> Pithewan; >>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>> GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; >>>>> Rajan Rao; >>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO >>>>>> (SERGIO) >>>>>> 主题: Re: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [snip] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> > 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Message-ID: <500EC06D.404@orange.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:34:05 +0200 From: Julien Meuric Organization: France Telecom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John E Drake References: <50040D47.7000209@labn.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A85B5D37@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A87EEF8E@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A87EF322@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> <500D6CBC.60505@orange.com> <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A89F2A2D@EMBX01-HQ.jn pr.net> In-Reply-To: <5E893DB832F57341992548CDBB333163A5A89F2A2D@EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2012 15:34:06.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2B8A0E0:01CD69B1] Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiDnrZTlpI06IOetlOWkjTogVXBkYXRlcyBv?= =?utf-8?q?n_OTN_signaling_draft?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:34:11 -0000 Hi John. I think your sentence itself is clear. My intend was not so different from yours. I was trying to explicitly tackle the case where component links with the same hierarchy but _different TSGs in the data plane_ will necessarily have the _same TSG in the control plane_ if they are bundled (i.e. a TSG they both support). Cheers, Julien Le 23/07/2012 17:45, John E Drake a écrit : > Julian, > > I think the intent is that component links with different hierarchies > *or* TSGs MUST NOT be bundled. If the proposed text isn't clear on > this point, is my preceding sentence sufficiently clear? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Julien Meuric >> >> Hi Fatai, hi Daniele. >> >> It feels like the proposed wording is leaving out the case of >> "homogeneous hierarchy + different TSGs": is it on purpose? >> >> Since it is not obvious if you are talking about data plane >> capabilities or control plane supports, what about adding >> something like the following? "If component links supporting an >> homogeneous hierarchy but different TSGs are bundled together, the >> smallest commonly supported TSG SHOULD be used (i.e. fallback is >> forced for lower granularity components)." >> >> Regards, >> >> Julien >> >> >> Le 23/07/2012 05:05, Fatai Zhang a écrit : >>> Hi Daniele, >>> >>> If non-homogeneous component links MUST NOT be bundled together, >>> it >> means that component links with different characteristics MUST be >> advertised in different LSAs (as different TE links) instead of >> different ISCDs in the same LSA (as one single TE link). >>> >>> Therefore, I would suggest the following text by removing "and a >> different ISCD MUST be used for each different muxing hierarchy >> (muxing tree in the following examples) and different TSG supported >> within the TE Link, if it includes component links with differing >> characteristics." , because this text conflicts with " Component >> links supporting non homogenous hierarchies MUST NOT be bundled >> together". >>> >>> Hope all the people are interested in OTN protocol to review this >>> NEW >> text. >>> >>> NEW: A single ISCD MAY be used for the advertisement of unbundled >>> or bundled links supporting homogeneous multiplexing hierarchies >>> and >> the >>> same Tributary Slot Granularity (TSG). Component links >>> supporting >> non homogenous >>> hierarchies MUST NOT be bundled together. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Fatai >>> >>> -----邮件原件----- 发件人: Daniele Ceccarelli >>> [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] 发送时间: 2012年7月20日 17:53 收 >>> 件人: Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; Lou Berger 抄送: ccamp@ietf.org; >>> Khuzema Pithewan; >> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO >>> (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; >>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) 主题: RE: 答复: 答 >>> 复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>> >>> Hi Fatai, >>> >>> 1. wrt the text in the OSPF draft - I was assuming that the text >>> was >> implying that component links with non homogeneous hierarchies >> could not be bundled, but maybe it is bettere making it explicit. >> What about: >>> >>> OLD: A single ISCD MAY be used for the advertisement of unbundled >>> or bundled links supporting homogeneous multiplexing hierarchies >>> and >> the >>> same Tributary Slot Granularity (TSG). A different ISCD MUST be >> used >>> for each different muxing hierarchy (muxing tree in the >>> following examples) and different TSG supported within the TE >>> Link, if it includes component links with differing >>> characteristics. NEW: A single ISCD MAY be used for the >>> advertisement of unbundled or bundled links supporting >>> homogeneous multiplexing hierarchies and >> the >>> same Tributary Slot Granularity (TSG). Component links >> supporting non homogenous >>> hierarchies MUST NOT be bundled together and a different ISCD >> MUST be used >>> for each different muxing hierarchy (muxing tree in the >>> following examples) and different TSG supported within the TE >>> Link, if it includes component links with differing >>> characteristics. >>> >>> I just realized that the version -03 we've been working on has >>> not >> been published. I'll introduce this change in the -03 version and >> upload it on July 30th. >>> >>> 2. Wrt the utilization of the "strict ERO" - All the past >> considerations are still true as the bundling of only homogenous >> hierarchies has been taken into account. Hence the "strict ERO" is >> still needed because the information needed by the penultimate hop >> for the H-LSP choice is not only depending on what is the H-LSP >> capability but what is being carried by the LSP being signaled. >>> >>> Thanks, Daniele >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Fatai Zhang >>>> [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] Sent: venerdì 20 luglio 2012 >>>> 9.52 To: Daniele Ceccarelli; John E Drake; Lou Berger Cc: >>>> ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; >>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; >>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) Subject: 答复: >>>> 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>> >>>> Hi Daniele, >>>> >>>> Correct. What you said is my suggestion in 11th July (ie., >>>> remove link bundling (or bundle the homogeneous component >>>> links). >>>> >>>> However, the quoted text from [OTN-OSPF] draft, it allows to >>>> bundle heterogeneous component links by different ISCDs. If it >>>> states explicitly that only homogeneous component links could >>>> be bundled (ie., heterogeneous component links MUST not >>>> bundled), then what you said below is completely correct. >>>> >>>> Let's step further, if no bundling or only bundling the >>>> homogeneous component links, there is no need to have hierarchy >>>> information and no need to have "strict" ERO (ie., indicate >>>> egress interface), because the node can pick up the component >>>> link locally (ie., any of the component is fine). >>>> >>>> This should be the perfect solution. >>>> >>>> Is this clear now? >>>> >>>> =============================================================== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ====================================================== >>>> For each bundled TE link you can only have component links with >>>> the same hierarchy and TSG supported, so any component link of >>>> the bundled link works fine and there is no need to indicate >>>> the component link ID but just the TE-link. >>>> >>>> >>>>> " A single ISCD MAY be used for the advertisement of >>>> unbundled or bundled links supporting homogeneous multiplexing >>>> hierarchies and the same Tributary Slot Granularity (TSG). A >>>> different ISCD MUST be used for each different muxing hierarchy >>>> (muxing tree in the following examples) and different TSG >>>> supported within the TE Link, if it includes component links >>>> with differing characteristics. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Fatai >>>> >>>> >>>> -----邮件原件----- 发件人: Daniele Ceccarelli >>>> [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] 发送时间: 2012年7月19日 >>>> 20:05 收件人: Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; Lou Berger 抄送: >>>> ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO >>>> (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; >>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) 主题: RE: 答复: >>>> 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>> >>>> Hi Fatai, >>>> >>>> Please find comments/replies in line >>>> >>>> Thanks, Daniele >>>>> Hi John and Daniele, >>>>> >>>>> It seems that people are converging. If we step further, I >>>> think people >>>>> can understand the bundling issue that I raised in 13rd >>>>> July. >>>>> >>>>> The problem is how we can specify the egress interface (ID) >>>>> ? To be precise, it is egress interface of penultimate node >>>>> of >>>> the H-LSP. >>>> >>>> Correct, but indeed it is the same thing, isn't it? >>>> >>>>> As I said in 13rd July, for a bundling link, it just shows >>>>> the collection capability of all the component links and it >>>>> cannot differentiate which component can support which >>>>> capability. >>>>> >>>>> To clarify the quoted text from Daniele, the routing approach >>>>> below still cannot differentiate which component can support >>>>> which capability, because there is no association between one >>>>> specific component link (ID) and one specific capability is >>>>> advertised in >> the >>>>> routing. >>>> For each bundled TE link you can only have component links with >>>> the same hierarhcy and TSG supported, so any component link of >>>> the bundled link works fine and there is no need to indicate >>>> the component link ID but just the TE-link. >>>> >>>>> =============================================================== >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> =============================================== >>>>> bundling is not a problem IMHO, as the OTN ID already states >>>>> that: >>>>> >>>>> " A single ISCD MAY be used for the advertisement of >>>>> unbundled or bundled links supporting homogeneous >>>>> multiplexing hierarchies and the same Tributary Slot >>>>> Granularity (TSG). A different ISCD MUST >> be >>>>> used for each different muxing hierarchy (muxing tree in the >>>>> following examples) and different TSG supported within the TE >>>>> Link, if it includes component links with differing >>>>> characteristics. " >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Fatai >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----邮件原件----- 发件人: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] >>>>> 发送时间: 2012年7月19日 5:01 收件人: Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang; >>>>> Lou Berger 抄送: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO >>>>> (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; >>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) 主题: RE: 答 >>>>> 复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>> >>>>> That's fair, but perhaps we should stipulate in an RFC >>>>> 3471/3473 bis that the ingress node MUST specify the egress >>>>> interface in the ERO? We seem to be spending a lot time and >>>>> effort to work around this. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Daniele Ceccarelli >>>>>> [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] Sent: Wednesday, >>>>>> July 18, 2012 10:02 AM To: John E Drake; Fatai Zhang; Lou >>>>>> Berger Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO >>>>>> (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; >>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) Subject: >>>>>> RE: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes it is, but it falls in the case I call strict ERO. When >>>>>> I use the term loose ERO I refer to an ERO lacking of >>>> some info >>>>>> (exactly that piece of information), when I refer to a >>>>>> strict ERO >> I >>>>>> speak about an ERO including info of all the hops (hence >>>>>> including that piece of information, the rest of the path >>>>>> is >>>>> meaningless in this >>>>>> context). I know the terminology is not exact but I didn't >>>>>> want to invent >> new >>>>>> names when referring to an ERO with that info and ERO >>>>>> without it. >>>>>> >>>>>> BR Daniele >>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: John E Drake >>>>>>> [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] Sent: mercoledì 18 luglio >>>>>>> 2012 17.58 To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang; Lou >>>>>>> Berger Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema Pithewan; >>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO >>>>>>> (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; >>>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>>> Subject: RE: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Daniele, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are correct. One question though, isn't it the case >>>> that it is >>>>>>> sufficient for the ingress to specify the egress >>>>>>> interface >>>>> in the ERO >>>>>>> rather than computing a strict ERO? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Daniele Ceccarelli >> [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:30 AM To: John E >>>>>>>> Drake; Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; >>>>>>>> Khuzema Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; >>>>>>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO >>>>>>>> (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; >>>>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> partially agree. I think the hierarchy is still needed >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>> those cases >>>>>>>> in which 3 or more layer are being involved, in >>>>> particular when the >>>>>>>> penultimate node, performing the choice of the FA, >>>>>>>> receives a signalling message of layer 2, needs to >>>>>>>> choose the FA at layer 3 and is not aware of layer 1. >>>>>>>> Let's try to make an example >>>>> (switched >>>>>>>> to plain text for the drawing): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ODU1-LSP >>>>>>>> >> ..................................................... >>>>>>>> | >> | >>>>>>>> | ODU2-H-LSP >> | >>>>>>>> | >> +======================================+ >>>>>>>> | | >> | >>>>>>>> | | >> | >>>>>>>> | | ODU3-H-LSP >> | >>>>>>>> | | |------------------------- >> | >>>>>>>> | | | >> | >>>>>>>> +--+--+ +-----+ +--+--+ +---+-+ >>>>> +-----+ >>>>>>>> | | | | | | | | >>>>> | | >>>>>>>> | A +------+ B +------+ C +------+ D >>>>> |------+ E | >>>>>>>> | | | | | | | | >>>>> | | >>>>>>>> +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ +-----+ >>>>> +-----+ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The LSP being signaled (ODUj), from A to E is an ODU1 >>>>>>> (called layer 1 >>>>>>>> above). B receives a path message related to the ODU1 >>>>>>>> and >>>>> starts a >>>>>>>> signaling for an ODU2. C receives the ODU2 path message >>>>>>>> whose destination is E and needs to "choose among a >>>>>>>> set >>>>>>> of"/"request the set >>>>>>>> up of" an ODU3 H-LSP from itself to E (loose ERO used). >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>> only thing >>>>>>>> that C knows is that the interface on E must be able >>>>>>>> to >>>> perform an >>>>>>>> ODU2->ODU3 demuxing to extract the client traffic from >>>>>>>> the ODU2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is not correct, the demuxing capability required >>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>> interface >>>>>>>> on E is ODU1->ODU2->ODU3 and the only way to let C know >>>>>>>> it, is introducing the hierarchy in signaling. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think this is quite a corner case, more academic >>>>> speculation than >>>>>>>> real case, but if there is a 0,00001% possibility it >>>>>>>> can >>>>> happen, we >>>>>>>> should cover the case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please note that the problem does not exist using a >>>>>>>> strict >>>>>>> ERO (which >>>>>>>> i wuold suggest :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, Daniele >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: John E Drake [mailto:jdrake@juniper.net] Sent: >>>>>>>> martedì 17 luglio 2012 16.18 To: Fatai Zhang; Lou >>>>>>>> Berger; Daniele Ceccarelli Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema >>>>>>>> Pithewan; >>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; >>>>>>>> Linyi; xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO >>>> VITTORIO (PIETRO >>>>>>>> VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; Rajan Rao; >>>>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fatai, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To recap my previous emails: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) TSG info needs to be carried in signaling in >>>>>>>> the GPID >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2) Any node that performs CSPF and selects the >>>>>>>> egress interface for an LSP needs to ensure that >>>>>>>> interface’s TSG is compatible with the ingress >>>>>>>> interface’s TSG as indicated in >>>>>>> signaling >>>>>>>> (the GPID) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3) Signaling should not carry hierarchy info >>>>>>>> because signaling only instantiates a single ODUj >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4) The ingress will sequentially signal multiple >>>>>>>> ODUj >> LSPs, >>>>>>>> each with a different value of j, in order to >>>>>>>> instantiate an OTN hierarchy between a given >>>>>>>> ingress/egress pair >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As an aside, just over a year ago, we had an extended >>>>>>> discussion of >>>>>>>> this topic in which I argued in support of the >>>>>>>> Infinera >>>>> approach of >>>>>>>> using a single signaling message to instantiate any >>>>>>>> necessary intermediate hierarchy in support of a given >>>>>>>> client ODUj, and nobody bought my arguments.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] Sent: >>>>>>>> Monday, July 16, 2012 7:03 PM To: Lou Berger; Daniele >>>>>>>> Ceccarelli Cc: John E Drake; ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema >>>>>>>> Pithewan; zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; >>>>>>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO >>>>>>>> (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; >>>>>>> Rajan Rao; >>>>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO); >>>>>>>> Fatai Zhang Subject: 答复: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN >>>>>>>> signaling draft >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Lou, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let's understand where we are, :-), >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If my following understanding is not correct, please >>>>>>> list some items >>>>>>>> that we need to get the consensus. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ================================================================= >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ====================================================== >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Intra-OTN is missing, wrt actual MRN/MLN, the >>>>>>>>> capability of >>>>>>>> signlaing the TSG, while Inter-OTN is missing also the >>>> Adaptation >>>>>>>> between client and server layers (e.g. Bit-sync vs >>>>>>>> Byte-sync >>>>>> mapping, >>>>>>>> X.86 vs GFP etc) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> fair enough. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [Fatai] Did you mean (or agree) that intra-OTN is >>>>>>>> missing the capability of signaling the TSG? Should >>>>>>>> Inter-OTN be generic >>>>>> MRN/MLN? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It appears we came to the conclusion that a general >>>>>>> "intra switch >>>>>>>> cap" work is needed (non OTN specific). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My proposal was to include the problem statement in >>>>>>> the bcg draft >>>>>>>> (so to make it cover both the inter and intra cases) >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>> then work on >>>>>>>> a different encoding draft (I'm not sure the OTN >>>> signaling is the >>>>>>>> right place for general intra switch cap encoding. >>>>>>>> Maybe a >>>>>>> pointer is >>>>>>>> more appropriate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sounds workable to me (and aligned with what John was >>>>>>>> saying). Now let's see if others disagree or if we have >>>>>>>> consensus! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [Fatai] I understood Daniele's proposal. However, >>>>>>> focusing on OTN >>>>>>>> signaling draft, did you mean that this draft (OTN >>>>>>>> signaling) should focus on OTN specific (intra-OTN) as >>>>>>>> what it is or this draft should remove TSG or hierachy >>>>>>>> information or bothe of them (ie., GPID extension for >>>>>>>> TSG and hierachy inforamtion in LSPA)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fatai >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----邮件原件----- 发件人: Lou Berger >>>>>>>> [mailto:lberger@labn.net] 发送时间: 2012年7月16日 20:47 收件人: >>>>>>>> Daniele Ceccarelli 抄送: Fatai Zhang; John E Drake; >>>>>>>> ccamp@ietf.org; Khuzema >>>>>>> Pithewan; >>>>>>>> zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn; Linyi; >>>>>>>> xuyunbin@mail.ritt.com.cn; GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO >>>>>>>> (PIETRO VITTORIO); Diego Caviglia; >>>>>>> Rajan Rao; >>>>>>>> IBryskin@advaoptical.com; BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) 主题: >>>>>>>> Re: 答复: 答复: Updates on OTN signaling draft >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing >>> list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >> >> >> _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From lberger@labn.net Wed Jul 25 08:18:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217F321F84DA for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:18:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.531 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.915, BAYES_20=-0.74, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o8lh2Q-YLZ+s for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy10-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy10-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7629C21F8611 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12995 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jul 2012 15:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy10.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2012 15:18:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=upkJgewn39Kk7p9+tQqx3EOh2zQNeJnDelaSIzXx8Gk=; b=Cdto8C+3JiJINFHCg8JBWnSxginUr2WuXFerpACjWDAeFRzKtYzbwzDtNQk/GgXaVJRrRzJSbyy3RNSaQzHuRQx1qvCDINkNHB9nVblIgK7kEwNMAMO/xvQEwFg+6p0b; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:41848 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Su3Lm-0004P3-0r for ccamp@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:18:10 -0600 Message-ID: <50100E32.3010706@labn.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:18:10 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP References: <500738DE.4020504@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <500738DE.4020504@labn.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IETF 84 Draft Agenda Posted X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:18:34 -0000 A slightly modified version has been posted. Please let us (Daniele & Dan + chairs) know if you comments or if we missed anything. Much thanks, Lou (Deborah, Daniele & Dan) On 7/18/2012 6:29 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > All, > The draft agenda for Vancouver is available at: > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/agenda/agenda-84-ccamp > > Please let us (Daniele & Dan + chairs) know if you have comments or if > we missed anything. > > Much thanks, > Lou (Deborah, Daniele & Dan) > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > From db3546@att.com Wed Jul 25 13:35:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A677021F8694; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:35:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 89rzhZ83q0cD; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo08.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo08.seg.att.com [209.65.160.95]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAA021F8680; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.128.153] (EHLO flpi408.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo08.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.11.0-10) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 4a850105.0.1742326.00-458.4803435.nbfkord-smmo08.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:35:49 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 501058a528d81eee-47d8c739e540401a7bdd90cec4b3e34e3f97dbac Received: from enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by flpi408.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6PKZmSH017297; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:35:48 -0700 Received: from fflint03.pst.cso.att.com (fflint03.pst.cso.att.com [150.234.39.63]) by flpi408.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6PKZeiT017158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:35:46 -0700 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUB9F.ITServices.sbc.com (misout7msghub9f.itservices.sbc.com [144.151.223.71]) by fflint03.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor); Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:35:25 -0700 Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSR9O.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.75]) by MISOUT7MSGHUB9F.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.71]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:35:24 -0400 From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Last Call draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-08 Thread-Index: Ac1ez7Uykw1lYwWZQQiKsMZ0jbA7MAL1QMlA Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:35:23 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.16.234.214] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.128.153] X-AnalysisOut: [v=1.0 c=1 a=RWEAq7CW3jcA:10 a=scfYWFdX89YA:10 a=ofMgfj31e3] X-AnalysisOut: [cA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xwOvzTHDVLE4u4] X-AnalysisOut: [nGvK72ag==:17 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=zQP7CpKOAAAA:8 a=s7fS0nKu] X-AnalysisOut: [xQSu7gYcrgAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=2TSDkfqdCjIA:10 a=lZB81] X-AnalysisOut: [5dzVvQA:10 a=0zHvTaYpWCkn6RZm:21 a=khpKe6gpxZG3REcy:21] Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-08 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:35:50 -0000 This WG Last Call has ended. Authors, please address the comments. Thanks, Deborah and Lou -----Original Message----- From: mpls-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of BRU= NGARD, DEBORAH A Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:11 PM To: ccamp@ietf.org Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] WG Last Call draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-08 *** Security Advisory: This Message Originated Outside of AT&T ***. Reference http://cso.att.com/EmailSecurity/IDSP.html for more information. Working Group(s), This is to start a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls= -tp-oam-ext-08. Please send your comments to the CCAMP WG mailing list. This working group last call ends July 24th. Deborah (and Lou) _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 13:11:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3032F21F8593; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:11:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.581 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.581 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ElnO7+2rf82j; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF4121F8592; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p3 Message-ID: <20120726201105.18411.65036.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:11:05 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Last Call: (Label Switched Path (LSP) Data Path Delay Metrics in Generalized MPLS/ MPLS-TE Networks) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:11:06 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG (ccamp) to consider the following document: - 'Label Switched Path (LSP) Data Path Delay Metrics in Generalized MPLS/ MPLS-TE Networks' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2012-08-15. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The IETF last call has been extended because it spans the IETF-84 meeting. Abstract When setting up a label switched path (LSP) in Generalized MPLS and MPLS/TE networks, the completion of the signaling process does not necessarily mean that the cross connection along the LSP have been programmed accordingly and in a timely manner. Meanwhile, the completion of signaling process may be used by applications as indication that data path has become usable. The existence of this delay and the possible failure of cross connection programming, if not properly treated, will result in data loss or even application failure. Characterization of this performance can thus help designers to improve the application model and to build more robust applications. This document defines a series of performance metrics to evaluate the connectivity of data path in the signaling process. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Thu Jul 26 13:28:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B9D11E80A4; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.266 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.266 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.334, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hlrawFrPSJF2; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B790311E8080; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 59B2872E002; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:27:55 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20120726202755.59B2872E002@rfc-editor.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [CCAMP] RFC 6689 on Usage of the RSVP ASSOCIATION Object X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:28:12 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6689 Title: Usage of the RSVP ASSOCIATION Object Author: L. Berger Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: July 2012 Mailbox: lberger@labn.net Pages: 11 Characters: 26037 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ccamp-assoc-info-03.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6689.txt The Resource Reservation Protocol (RSVP) ASSOCIATION object is defined in the context of GMPLS-controlled label switched paths (LSPs). In this context, the object is used to associate recovery LSPs with the LSP they are protecting. This document reviews how the association is to be provided in the context of GMPLS recovery. No new procedures or mechanisms are defined by this document, and it is strictly informative in nature. This document is not an Internet Standards Track specification; it is published for informational purposes. This document is a product of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From ietf-ipr@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 18:02:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E423811E80D0; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:02:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.136, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5ioz1hDAJe3c; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7B111E80C1; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:02:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Secretariat To: daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, diego.caviglia@ericsson.com, zhangfatai@huawei.com, danli@huawei.com, sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com, pietro_vittorio.grandi@alcatel-lucent.com, rrao@infinera.com, kpithewan@infinera.com, jdrake@juniper.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p3 Message-ID: <20120727010206.24877.97356.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:02:06 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, dbrungard@att.com, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] IPR Disclosure: Infinera Corporation's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 01:02:07 -0000 Dear Daniele Ceccarelli, Diego Caviglia, Fatai Zhang, Dan Li, Sergio Belott= i, Pietro Grandi, Rajan Rao, Khuzema Pithewan, John Drake: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF for Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Control of Evol= ving G.709 OTN Networks" (draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3) was submitted to t= he IETF Secretariat on 2012-07-25 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1835/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Infinera Corporation's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-ccamp-gmp= ls- ospf-g709v3-02.""); The IETF Secretariat From ietf-ipr@ietf.org Thu Jul 26 18:03:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE7611E80D9; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:03:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.136, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gsHkbutQ6cf3; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2054511E80B3; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:03:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Secretariat To: daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, zhangfatai@huawei.com, zhangguoying@mail.ritt.com.cn, kpithewan@infinera.com, sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.it X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p3 Message-ID: <20120727010300.29761.42435.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:03:00 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, dbrungard@att.com, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] IPR Disclosure: Infinera Corporation's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-03 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 01:03:00 -0000 Dear Daniele Ceccarelli, Fatai Zhang, Guoying Zhang, Khuzema Pithewan, Serg= io Belotti: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Generaliz= ed Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Extensions for the evolving G.709 Optical Transport Networks Control" (draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling- g709v3) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2012-07-25 and has been po= sted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1836/). 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"Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti)" To: Lou Berger Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Request to WG authors/editors (for Vancouver) Thread-Index: AQHNY2/uXukDk0l7Qk2AZ+TQbX2Y/ZdCvfEA Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:15:50 +0000 Message-ID: References: <500440E5.5070609@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <500440E5.5070609@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.55.82.35] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19074.001 x-tm-as-result: No--47.572500-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <296DF2CE242038448AEFC4DB1DA70958@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Request to WG authors/editors (for Vancouver) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:15:52 -0000 Hi Lou, regarding WSON Signaling draft http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-= wson-signaling-03 no updates for this ietf. Here a rough plan for the next= version - wson object waiting discussion on http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-marga= ria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-01 at next ccamp session. - fix bfn and related references (comment from you at the mic ietf83) - comments from Cyril mail. Cheers G On Jul 16, 2012, at 18:27 , Lou Berger wrote: > Authors of WG documents, > As with the last meeting: Please plan to review (present) any changes > that have been recently made to your draft, as well as any plans for, or > open issues with the draft at the upcoming meeting. If there have been > no recent changes, please present open issues and your plans for moving > the draft forward. If you have not already done so, please respond to > Daniele's agenda request mail to schedule your presentation time. >=20 > If you don't need a full slot for the draft, please be prepared to say a > few words on document status/progress/planned revisions in our first > session. Alternatively, you can send this information to the WG mail > list prior to the WG meeting. >=20 > The agenda has us meeting: >=20 > WEDNESDAY, August 1, 2012 0900-1130 Morning Session I > THURSDAY, August 2, 2012 1300-1500 Afternoon Session I >=20 > Much thanks. > Lou and Deborah > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From giomarti@cisco.com Mon Jul 30 15:34:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3174011E8097 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:34:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BpQFzyjmT9Xl for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8757711E8087 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:34:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=giomarti@cisco.com; l=1179; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1343687678; x=1344897278; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=fvCskK+KDd4pbLwdXZ9Bdq6cJ1LNt7nxGHQ+jg0Z2RQ=; b=RByu3IdZ9cwJfrUZ9S7gsRQyg+OK5z/xPZxDc03OtcRbzJKDpIuXYu46 PLUeQ2Ro5rnsSJrkgX82kvYsf9ESR+vdKv/IapkreqdaQ/rAi35tysJzt 32tvtsw0svCVuoOINEoZCx/Yf5alHKIaeDI4uxsP8PZgWdDLFzqORZIKm o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EANoKF1CtJV2b/2dsb2JhbABFuVmBB4InEgEnUQE+QicENYdrC5lTgSigKYtShidgA5VJgRSNE4Fmgl8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,681,1336348800"; d="scan'208";a="106568484" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2012 22:34:38 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com [173.37.183.83]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6UMYbYj018914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:34:37 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com ([169.254.4.5]) by xhc-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([173.37.183.83]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:34:37 -0500 From: "Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti)" To: CCAMP Thread-Topic: Comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-08: priority Thread-Index: AQHNbqOAwicEtWD5nEWGP6luAcXdUg== Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:34:37 +0000 Message-ID: <98310D9B-8BF2-4C16-ABEF-F96D1DE1675C@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.55.82.35] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19074.001 x-tm-as-result: No--27.947500-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <56B0CCCE4D41D645809CAC5E0375FFDA@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [CCAMP] Comment on draft-ietf-ccamp-general-constraint-encode-08: priority X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:34:39 -0000 Dear authors / ccamp, here a few comments related to the priority field added to draft-ietf-ccamp= -general-constraint-encode: A couple of editorial comments 1) "wavelenght priority" appears in a draft that claim to be general. In f= act is available in "Available Labels Sub-TLV" and "Shared Backup Labels Su= b-TLV". So is a wavelength or label-like priority? 2) why an 8 bits (bit field) instead of the classic 3 bits (integer [0 .. = 7]? Then few other comments 3) How the priority is used versus the A flag . Draft text report " =20 A (Availability bit) =3D 1 or 0 indicates that the labels listed in the following label set field are available or not available, respectively, for use at a given priority level as indicated by the Priority Flags. " So does it means that there could be different "available labels sub-TLVs" = advertised?=20 4) Still unclear to me how this priority is different from the one reported= in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kattan-wson-property-01 and eventually= if this "priority" could fit the LSP priority already available (as one of= the comment we received at that time) Cheers G From kpithewan@infinera.com Mon Jul 30 17:53:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608FF21F8533 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:53:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.095 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=4.693, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OVGHCiGn94E0 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sv-casht-prod1.infinera.com (sv-casht-prod1.infinera.com [8.4.225.24]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1E221F8526 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SV-EXDB-PROD2.infinera.com ([fe80::1d05:1822:aaea:ff52]) by sv-casht-prod1.infinera.com ([10.100.97.218]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:53:40 -0700 From: Khuzema Pithewan To: "draft-bcg-ccamp-gmpls-ml-implications@tools.ietf.org" , "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: MRN Issues/Solution for OTN Thread-Index: Ac1us9FVUm0m1MsrR3OFr+3sirxsTw== Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:53:38 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.100.156.118] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_004_D8D01B39D6B38C45AA37C06ECC1D65D5348F2817SVEXDBPROD2infi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [CCAMP] MRN Issues/Solution for OTN X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 00:53:43 -0000 --_004_D8D01B39D6B38C45AA37C06ECC1D65D5348F2817SVEXDBPROD2infi_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D8D01B39D6B38C45AA37C06ECC1D65D5348F2817SVEXDBPROD2infi_" --_000_D8D01B39D6B38C45AA37C06ECC1D65D5348F2817SVEXDBPROD2infi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Authors/WG, RFC 5212 is generic enough to state requirements for MLN and MRN cases and = we think that it equally applies to OTN as well. We have captured the curre= nt issues that requires to be resolved to crystalize MLN/MRN solution for O= TN and 2 potential solution for these issues. We are attaching the ppt capturing details. Would like to discuss these options and see what is the preference of WG. P= ls review and let us know questions/comments. Regards Khuzema/Rajan --_000_D8D01B39D6B38C45AA37C06ECC1D65D5348F2817SVEXDBPROD2infi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Authors/WG,

 

RFC 5212 is generic enough to state requirements for= MLN and MRN cases and we think that it equally applies to OTN as well. We = have captured the current issues that requires to be resolved to crystalize= MLN/MRN solution for OTN and 2 potential solution for these issues.

 

We are attaching the ppt capturing details.

 

Would like to discuss these options and see what is = the preference of WG. Pls review and let us know questions/comments.

 

Regards

Khuzema/Rajan

 

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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Link Management Protocol Behavior Negotiation and Config= uration Modifications Author(s) : Dan Li Daniele Ceccarelli Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-behavior-negotiation-06.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2012-07-30 Abstract: The Link Management Protocol (LMP) is used to coordinate the properties, use, and faults of data links in Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) networks. This document defines an extension to LMP to negotiate capabilities and indicate support for LMP extensions. The defined extension is compatible with non-supporting implementations. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-behavior-negotiation There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-behavior-negotiation-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-lmp-behavior-negotiatio= n-06 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From huawei.danli@huawei.com Mon Jul 30 19:15:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2746B11E8137 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:15:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.449 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9+7OTbPLbRr5 for ; 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Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:39:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.285 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.285 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.315, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HdBgK+xEvjVq for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FA121F8671 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 6B942621A0; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:39:15 -0700 (PDT) To: jplang@ieee.org, yakov@juniper.net, dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel-lucent.be, stbryant@cisco.com, adrian@olddog.co.uk, lberger@labn.net, dbrungard@att.com From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20120731163915.6B942621A0@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [CCAMP] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC4872 (3304) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:39:50 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC4872, "RSVP-TE Extensions in Support of End-to-End Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Recovery". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=4872&eid=3304 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Lyndon Ong Section: 11 & 12 Original Text ------------- Section 11 says: (Full) LSP rerouting will be initiated by the head-end node that has either detected the LSP failure or received a Notify message and/or a PathErr message with the new error code/sub-code "Notify Error/LSP Locally Failed" for this LSP. The new LSP resources can be established using the make-before-break mechanism, where the new LSP is set up before the old LSP is torn down. This is done by using the mechanisms of the SESSION_ATTRIBUTE object and the Shared-Explicit (SE) reservation style (see [RFC3209]). Both the new and old LSPs can share resources at common nodes. Section 12 says: [No text on reversion for (full) LSP Rerouting.] Corrected Text -------------- Section 11 should say: (Full) LSP rerouting will be initiated by the head-end node that has either detected the LSP failure or received a Notify message and/or a PathErr message with the new error code/sub-code "Notify Error/LSP Locally Failed" for this LSP. The new LSP resources can be established using the make-before-break mechanism, where the new LSP is set up before the old LSP is torn down. This is done by using the mechanisms of the SESSION_ATTRIBUTE object and the Shared-Explicit (SE) reservation style (see [RFC3209]). Both the new and old LSPs can share resources at common nodes. The new LSP can be established without tearing down the old LSP in case of reversion (see section 12). Section 12 should say: For "(full) LSP Rerouting", reversion implies that the old LSP is not torn down by the head-end node after the new LSP is established. For reversion, the head-end node re-activates the old LSP after this has recovered. Notes ----- Current text in RFC 4872 describes reversion in the cases of 1+1 bidirectional Protection, 1:N Protection with Extra Traffic and Rerouting Without Extra Traffic, however it has no description of reversion with (Full) LSP Rerouting. For (full) LSP Rerouting, the description in Section 11 instead implies that the old LSP is torn down. This has led to some confusion as to whether reversion with (full) LSP Rerouting is allowed or not allowed by the RFC. We believe this was not intentional. The additions would make it clear that reversion can be supported with (Full) LSP Rerouting. Instructions: ------------- This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC4872 (draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-recovery-e2e-signaling-04) -------------------------------------- Title : RSVP-TE Extensions in Support of End-to-End Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Recovery Publication Date : May 2007 Author(s) : J.P. Lang, Ed., Y. Rekhter, Ed., D. Papadimitriou, Ed. Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Common Control and Measurement Plane Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From lberger@labn.net Tue Jul 31 10:23:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9670A21F8757 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.601, BAYES_20=-0.74, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UeIE0XaJoQTV for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DE84C21F8673 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28299 invoked by uid 0); 31 Jul 2012 17:23:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2012 17:23:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=SflDKFRuafYtMD9lvD1E/g7Y4hB8MdaHX2Tly0UOLCg=; b=F7r6hhplWCZsJp5vt1q501weo2WvuqtbvzsUvZD12FtcDGPNlK3ek5FUDSEQP/stnaLnlm07W7LqTeREDM/T3d4xQIiTYReuSWRpUDklVYAa6TQkRluYZz5nQ4HQ9HHk; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:47279 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SwGA6-0004vV-CL for ccamp@ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 11:23:14 -0600 Message-ID: <5018147F.6080909@labn.net> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:23:11 -0700 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] etherpad, jabber and remote participation for Vancouver X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:23:15 -0000 All, We are planning to continue our use of etherpad for real time minute taking during our meetings this week. The pad is already available http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/minutes and we've already loaded the agenda. Please feel free to contribute. If you are planning to participate remotely we'd like to try having you type your question into the pad rather than jabber. Just add it right before the next presentation (not mixed in with the minutes of the ongoing discussion -- they'll get moved up once discussed.) Also, if your are a presenter who is having someone else present your slides and would like to try to skype in *during your presentation*, please contact the chairs. Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) From rgandhi@cisco.com Tue Jul 31 10:24:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFE821F875D for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:24:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.64 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.64 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FR_3TAG_3TAG=1.758, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_66=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_93=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F98Gi29vr2Qs for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F41B21F8757 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:24:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=rgandhi@cisco.com; l=21634; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1343755464; x=1344965064; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=NYi/NNiTZPLDg6TpBAOe6L1ljkQFeaIpxNc2Mlj8Nu0=; b=FnKsiEraK+OqKG3hgENBQ4a4ifZ4uxTuZxcpGjkgQFZ/KLjEiBDg4NVa GuIpOuJrhi87oDwha1NO/Mkgv1s7kqqDwem9WdzjV+Eu2AMpvnICj+ox8 /B18uXqGjxhYb35fgTnPz+XSetIO/k98yDRMjWQrwR4h4xfDXNpfGEnny 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EANgTGFCtJXG8/2dsb2JhbABFgkq3L4EHgiABAQEEEgEaTBACAQgRBAEBCxYHBzIUCQgCBA4FCBqHa5wboHWLSYYpYAOjboFmgl+BXw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,688,1336348800"; d="scan'208,217";a="107100912" Received: from rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com ([173.37.113.188]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2012 17:24:24 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com [173.36.12.87]) by rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6VHONxp015715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:24:23 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x07.cisco.com ([169.254.2.202]) by xhc-aln-x13.cisco.com ([173.36.12.87]) with mapi id 14.02.0298.004; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:24:23 -0500 From: "Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi)" To: "zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn" Thread-Topic: Comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-associated-lsp-03 Thread-Index: AQHNWlnLzkulPBoZQRGX7309/bFmI5cz9gXQgAT+uQCAAB3KsIABhIgAgAeIEfCAAQFrgIAAozjg Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:24:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [161.44.212.67] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.000.1014-19074.005 x-tm-as-result: No--50.105500-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B7D2A316AA32B6469D9670B6A81B7C2404914Exmbalnx07ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "Robert Sawaya \(rsawaya\)" , "yang.fan5@zte.com.cn" , CCAMP , "jingrq@ctbri.com.cn" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-associated-lsp-03 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:24:26 -0000 --_000_B7D2A316AA32B6469D9670B6A81B7C2404914Exmbalnx07ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fei, Thanks for your kind reply. Please see inline.... From: zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn [mailto:zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 10:04 PM To: Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi) Cc: Eric Osborne (eosborne); jiang.weilian@zte.com.cn; jingrq@ctbri.com.cn;= Robert Sawaya (rsawaya); George Swallow (swallow); yang.fan5@zte.com.cn; C= CAMP Subject: RE: Comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-associated-lsp= -03 Thank you Rakesh for sharing your idea, I think we are roughly in agreement= and need to hear more voices from the WG. :) See inline Best Fei 2) Define one flag for co-routed or non-corouted. If the co-routed bidir is= the default behavior, why not using the procedure defined in RFC3473? I am= afraid it is hard to persuade the WG to do so. Maybe the better way is that non-corouted bidi= r is the default, and the set of the co-routed flag only means that it is r= ecommended, not mandatory, the checking whether the LSP is co-routed can be= done by comparing the RRO objects. What is your opinion? It is fine to have non co-routed as default. RFC 3473 is a GMPLS sign= aling procedure. It may not be optimal to have two different signaling pro= cedures, one for non co-routed (ext associated object) and one for co-route= d (RFC 3473) procedures. By adding a flag for co-routed, same signaling (ex= t associated object) can be used for both which is nice. We believe compari= ng of RRO can be misleading because two LSPs can be on the same path even t= hough provisioned to be non co-routed. Sorry that what I suggested maybe mislead you, the following descripitons a= re more accurate. :) 1)The default behavior (non-corouted) means that it is not required to be = co-routed. In other words, it is also OK that the two paths are along the s= ame path . Agree. 2)The flag set means that co-routed is recommended. In other words, the re= verse LSP SHOULD be established in the same path as much as possible. If th= e flag set means that co-routed is mandatory,the procedures will be very complex in double s= ided provisioning model. There are applications that require co-routed LSPs. So I think we sho= uld have a flag to indicate that LSPs must be co-routed, else node will sen= d a path error for example if request cannot be met. I agree with you abou= t complexity with double sided provisioning model though. 3)As to the tuple of , y= eah, it is one kind of implementation, but there are potential some other r= ealizations, like using one of the router id plus the tunnel id. I think we= had better not restrict the execution to such a narrow scope. What about t= he EA format listed below? 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Length | Class-Num(199)| C-Type (TBA) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Association Type | Association ID | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | IPv4 Association Source | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Global Association Source | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Extended Association Flags. |Extended Association ID ... | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |....(continue) : +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Do you mean to have extended association ID as tunnel ID (16 bits) + I= P address (32 bits) in this object? Please see inline below.... No. I want to say that this format of EA objects can accomodate more kinds = of implementations. Like 1)Association ID: user provisioned idential value; Association Source: the = lowe ip address; EA ID: the higher IP address. As you suggested 2)Association ID: tunnel ID or user provisioned value; Association Source:T= unnel sender address or user provisioned; EA ID: be empty or LSP ID or any = other information. 3)The potential other implementations... IMHO, the EA ID can be IP address or any other values in the context of Ass= ociation Source plus Association ID, which is backward compatible. Ok, we probably should add use cases for various methods. I can see m= ethod 1 being used for setting up bidirectional LSPs but I am not sure abou= t method 2 for example. One worry is that different methods can lead to int= erop issues if one vendor implements method 1 and second vendor method 2. Association object is being used for different association types (RFC 4872:= type 1: Recovery), (RFC 4873- type 2: Resource sharing), etc. and these RF= Cs define specific procedures for the given association type. So IMHO, it m= ay be ok to define a stricter procedure for populating ext association obje= ct for the new Bidirectional LSPs association type. Thanks, Rakesh --_000_B7D2A316AA32B6469D9670B6A81B7C2404914Exmbalnx07ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Fei,

 

Thanks for your kind r= eply. Please see inline..<RG3>..

 

<Snipped email to f= ocus on open items>

 

 

From: zhang.fe= i3@zte.com.cn [mailto:zhang.fei3@zte.com.cn]
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 10:04 PM
To: Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi)
Cc: Eric Osborne (eosborne); jiang.weilian@zte.com.cn; jingrq@ctbri.= com.cn; Robert Sawaya (rsawaya); George Swallow (swallow); yang.fan5@zte.co= m.cn; CCAMP
Subject: RE: Comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-associa= ted-lsp-03


Thank you Rakesh for sharing your idea, I think we a= re roughly in agreement and need to hear more voices from the WG. :)

Best

Fei

2) Define one flag for co-routed or non-c= orouted. If the co-routed bidir is the default behavior, why not using the = procedure defined in RFC3473? I am afraid it is hard
to persuade the WG to do so. Maybe the better way is that non-corouted bidi= r is the default, and the set of the co-routed flag only means that it is r= ecommended, not mandatory, the checking whether the LSP is co-routed can be= done by comparing the RRO objects. What is your opinion?
<RG1> It is fine to have non co-routed as = default. RFC 3473 is a GMPLS signaling procedure. It may not be optimal &nb= sp;to have two different signaling procedures, one for non co-routed (ext associated object) and one for co-routed (RFC 3473) procedures. By ad= ding a flag for co-routed, same signaling (ext associated object) can be us= ed for both which is nice. We believe comparing of RRO can be misleading be= cause two LSPs can be on the same path even though provisioned to be non co-routed.

<fei>
Sorry that what I suggested maybe mislead you, the f= ollowing descripitons are more accurate. :)
 1)The default behavior (non-corouted) means th= at it is not required to be co-routed. In other words, it is also OK that t= he two paths are along the same path

 

.

<RG3> Agree.


 2)The flag set means that co-routed is recomme= nded. In other words, the reverse LSP SHOULD be established in the same pat= h as much as possible. If the flag set means
that co-routed is mandatory,the procedures will be v= ery complex in double sided provisioning model.
</fei>

<RG3> There are = applications that require co-routed LSPs. So I think we should have a flag = to indicate that LSPs must be co-routed, else node will send a path error for example if request cannot be met.  I agree with you ab= out complexity with double sided provisioning model though.



3)As to the tuple of <lower ip address, high ip addres= s, association id>, yeah, it is one kind of implementation, but there ar= e potential some other realizations, like using one of the router id plus the tunnel id. I think we had better not restrict the execution to= such a narrow scope. What about the EA format listed below?

        0             &n= bsp;     1                = ;   2                   3=
     0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7= 8 9 0 1
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    |            Length   &nbs= p;         | Class-Num(199)|  C-Type (TBA) |
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    |       Association Type       =  |       Association ID         &nb= sp;|
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    |                 &nb= sp;  IPv4 Association Source            =        |
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    |                 &nb= sp; Global Association Source             &nb= sp;     |
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    |Extended Association Flags.    |Extended Associati= on ID ...    |
     +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     |....(continue)           &nbs= p;                     &n= bsp;               :
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-&= #43;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+= ;-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

<RG> Do you mean to have extended associat= ion ID as tunnel ID (16 bits) + IP address (32 bits) in this object?
Please see inline below..<RG1>..

<fei>
No. I want to say that this format of EA objects can= accomodate more kinds of implementations. Like

1)Association ID: user provisioned idential value; A= ssociation Source: the lowe ip address; EA ID: the higher IP address. As yo= u suggested

2)Association ID: tunnel ID or user provisioned valu= e; Association Source:Tunnel sender address or user provisioned; EA ID: be = empty or LSP ID or any other information.

3)The potential other implementations...

IMHO, the EA ID can be IP address or any other value= s in the context of Association Source plus Association ID, which is backwa= rd compatible.

</fei>
<RG3> Ok, we probably should add use ca= ses for various methods. I can see method 1 being used for setting up bidir= ectional LSPs but I am not sure about method 2 for example. One worry is th= at different methods can lead to interop issues if one vendor implements method 1 and second vendor method 2.<= /o:p>

Association object is = being used for different association types (RFC 4872: type 1: Recovery), (R= FC 4873- type 2: Resource sharing), etc. and these RFCs define specific pro= cedures for the given association type. So IMHO, it may be ok to define a stricter procedure for populating ext as= sociation object for the new Bidirectional LSPs association type.

 

Thanks,

Rakesh





--_000_B7D2A316AA32B6469D9670B6A81B7C2404914Exmbalnx07ciscocom_-- From adrian@olddog.co.uk Tue Jul 31 18:28:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A69C11E816E for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:28:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d4RbBRQNNIpt for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E06011E8184 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q711SDuc013518; Wed, 1 Aug 2012 02:28:13 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dhcp-11f1.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.17.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q711S54i013486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 1 Aug 2012 02:28:09 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: <20120731163915.6B942621A0@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: <20120731163915.6B942621A0@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 02:28:03 +0100 Message-ID: <024801cd6f84$ea1d5710$be580530$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJG0ydQ2iZ1PPA/LaXiFWLC86ukfJZRWGeA Content-Language: en-gb Cc: dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel-lucent.be, jplang@ieee.org, dbrungard@att.com Subject: Re: [CCAMP] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC4872 (3304) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 01:28:30 -0000 Hi CCAMP, I find that this erratum is raised against two sections one of which I supplied text for. If this get contentious, I will call on Stewart to call consensus and handle the Erratum in the system. In my opinion, this proposal goes further than the intention of the authors/WG in publishing 4872. With regard to the proposed addition to section 11... The use of mb4b is already in scope. The existing text says "The new LSP resources can be established using the make-before-break mechanism," so there is no need to re-state "The new LSP can be established without tearing down the old LSP". I think your concern here is whether the old LSP is ever torn down. I think that you are worried that if the old LSP is torn down, it might be impossible to perform reversion because, after repair, an attempt to revert (also using mb4b) might find that key resources have been "stolen" by some other LSP. I don't see this as at all different from the issue of the protection LSP itself. That is, it is of the nature of LSP Rerouting as a protection mechanism that: a. protection may fail because of lack of resources b. reversion may fail because of lack of resources *If* reversion is so important, I don't quite see why protection is not important. If protection is important then you should be using a proper protection mechanism and not waiting for post facto rerouting. Furthermore, if you require that the LSP be retained for restoration, why are you not using a protection mechanism? But the general paradigm here is that you are willing to use the best available LSP when it is set up in the first place, the best available LSP when you re-route after failure, and the best available LSP when you "revert". Lastly, it *does* remain an _option_ to retain the failed LSP in order to switch back. Nothing in the old text precludes that, although I understand that there is an implication that it might be expected to be torn down. So I conclude that the proposed addition to section 12 is not what the authors/WG intended. We should discuss further. Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: RFC Errata System [mailto:rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org] > Sent: 31 July 2012 17:39 > To: jplang@ieee.org; yakov@juniper.net; dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel- > lucent.be; stbryant@cisco.com; adrian@olddog.co.uk; lberger@labn.net; > dbrungard@att.com > Cc: lyong@ciena.com; ccamp@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC4872 (3304) > > > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC4872, > "RSVP-TE Extensions in Support of End-to-End Generalized Multi-Protocol Label > Switching (GMPLS) Recovery". > > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=4872&eid=3304 > > -------------------------------------- > Type: Technical > Reported by: Lyndon Ong > > Section: 11 & 12 > > Original Text > ------------- > Section 11 says: > > > (Full) LSP rerouting will be initiated by the head-end node that has > either detected the LSP failure or received a Notify message and/or a > PathErr message with the new error code/sub-code "Notify Error/LSP > Locally Failed" for this LSP. The new LSP resources can be > established using the make-before-break mechanism, where the new LSP > is set up before the old LSP is torn down. This is done by using the > mechanisms of the SESSION_ATTRIBUTE object and the Shared-Explicit > (SE) reservation style (see [RFC3209]). Both the new and old LSPs > can share resources at common nodes. > > Section 12 says: > > [No text on reversion for (full) LSP Rerouting.] > > Corrected Text > -------------- > Section 11 should say: > > > (Full) LSP rerouting will be initiated by the head-end node that has > either detected the LSP failure or received a Notify message and/or a > PathErr message with the new error code/sub-code "Notify Error/LSP > Locally Failed" for this LSP. The new LSP resources can be > established using the make-before-break mechanism, where the new LSP > is set up before the old LSP is torn down. This is done by using the > mechanisms of the SESSION_ATTRIBUTE object and the Shared-Explicit > (SE) reservation style (see [RFC3209]). Both the new and old LSPs > can share resources at common nodes. The new LSP can be established > without tearing down the old LSP in case of reversion (see section 12). > > Section 12 should say: > > For "(full) LSP Rerouting", reversion implies that the old LSP is not > torn down by the head-end node after the new LSP is established. For > reversion, the head-end node re-activates the old LSP after this has > recovered. > > > > Notes > ----- > Current text in RFC 4872 describes reversion in the cases of 1+1 bidirectional > Protection, 1:N Protection with Extra Traffic and Rerouting Without Extra Traffic, > however it has no description of reversion with (Full) LSP Rerouting. > For (full) LSP Rerouting, the description in Section 11 instead implies that the old > LSP is torn down. This has led to some confusion as to whether reversion with > (full) LSP Rerouting is allowed or not allowed by the RFC. We believe this was not > intentional. The additions would make it clear that reversion can be supported > with (Full) LSP Rerouting. > > Instructions: > ------------- > This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > -------------------------------------- > RFC4872 (draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-recovery-e2e-signaling-04) > -------------------------------------- > Title : RSVP-TE Extensions in Support of End-to-End Generalized Multi- > Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Recovery > Publication Date : May 2007 > Author(s) : J.P. Lang, Ed., Y. Rekhter, Ed., D. Papadimitriou, Ed. > Category : PROPOSED STANDARD > Source : Common Control and Measurement Plane > Area : Routing > Stream : IETF > Verifying Party : IESG