From lberger@labn.net Thu Nov 1 13:42:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00A021F87E2 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:42:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.745 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.745 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.520, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WSeneTNjNf8S for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1362D21F87C9 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19693 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2012 20:41:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2012 20:41:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=p19TngAjR/ynLe+pjk4lq02B4c7aju/C/TNzetgH+c4=; b=iGzhzlMQ0HsIFo3JxPO7lXSBwSCA8Qkr2LWb1Uxn/HLl5wd3RVbwwjpsDYOLvZX9pi9xXNpqLy4xu7bxKlHlfGmVR7gudAh/CrEwyf9R5aE1G5+Cxwws1n8qmT0kQxlN; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:42417 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TU1aQ-0004bU-O0 for ccamp@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 14:41:58 -0600 Message-ID: <5092DE95.2000108@labn.net> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:41:57 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP References: <20121101121722.29094.73706.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20121101121722.29094.73706.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20121101121722.29094.73706.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] Fwd: Help the NomCom X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:42:22 -0000 FYI -------- Original Message -------- From: NomCom Chair The IETF Nominations Committee (NomCom) continues to seek input from the IETF Community. The NomCom would greatly appreciate any help you could provide in making members of your working group aware of ways in which they can provide valuable feedback to the NomCom. In order to ensure that your input is received in time to be useful, the NomCom needs to receive community feedback on or before Sunday, November 11. The final list of candidates (as per RFC 5680) that the NomCom is considering for open positions can be found at: https://www.ietf.org/group/nomcom/2012/input/ The NomCom will be holding office hours during IETF 85, Monday- Thursday from 1:00pm to 3:00pm in Room 305. The NomCom welcomes comments on specific individuals, as well as general feedback related to any of the positions that NomCom is considering. Note: A list of leadership positions that the NomCom is considering can be found at: https://www.ietf.org/group/nomcom/2012/ If the NomCom office hours are inconvenient for you or if you cannot attend IETF 85, the NomCom is happy to take community input via email to nomcom12 at ietf.org. Additionally, the NomCom is happy to arrange a meeting outside of office hours, just send us email and we can set something up. Comments on specific candidates can also be provided to the NomCom via the web feedback tool: https://www.ietf.org/group/nomcom/2012/input/ Thank you for your help, - Matt Lepinski nomcom-chair at ietf.org From lberger@labn.net Thu Nov 1 14:28:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEA921F95D8 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:28:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.347, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3+ICOAt7Yc59 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BA17B21F95D2 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15118 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2012 21:28:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2012 21:28:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=wJExA9EmqsIGJpmu32FzFFjHxTSOtkjxGK+dO7cLBHg=; b=rwMw2z5vdPWmI9pQ/t1cdKrYV35/kdZIU6sUr1qN36SMIKSbrHTwAPrV36Xf/PZilUiNoEiIAukeLRA8D87yDSp3Mm/yJgYWwjAtgL7mU7SSo0MykP2yU1to+u6DIxxp; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:46692 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TU2JE-0004B5-9J; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 15:28:16 -0600 Message-ID: <5092E96E.7040607@labn.net> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 17:28:14 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] Resolutions of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 21:28:38 -0000 Authors, Can you state how the comments in the following messages have been addressed in the latest version? http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ccamp/current/msg13559.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ccamp/current/msg13837.html I also note that no updated version was posted based on the thread completed in: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ccamp/current/msg14063.html. Please let us know if you have any open issues you'd like to discuss in next week's sessions. We have a couple of cancellations and can fit you in, if needed. (And closing on the open issues will help unblock these documents.) Much thanks, Lou From SBardalai@infinera.com Mon Nov 5 06:40:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FAC21F871F for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:40:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MYXDLSnevN0M for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from sv-casht-prod2.infinera.com (sv-casht-prod2.infinera.com [8.4.225.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D26521F8701 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:40:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from SV-EXDB-PROD2.infinera.com ([fe80::1d05:1822:aaea:ff52]) by sv-casht-prod2.infinera.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:40:54 -0800 From: Snigdho Bardalai To: Snigdho Bardalai , Lou Berger , "francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com" , "corsi.marco@gmail.com" , "eve.varma@alcatel-lucent.com" , "jonathan.sadler@tellabs.com" , "lyong@ciena.com" , Ashok Kunjidhapatham , "Steve.Balls@metaswitch.com" , "Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com" , "fu.xihua@zte.com.cn" , "cyril.margaria@nsn.com" , "Malcolm.betts@zte.com.cn" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 Thread-Index: AQHNsgZAhYTuvyCw6EevqPOJbHIcCpfbXL7wgAAGJ8A= Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:40:54 +0000 Message-ID: <6386D6323049044BA592CB99AB04BACB3F9229BD@SV-EXDB-PROD2.infinera.com> References: <5065B232.1020908@labn.net> <508819EA.3010401@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.100.156.108] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:40:55 -0000 "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > -----Original Message----- > From: Snigdho Bardalai > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:18 AM > To: 'Lou Berger'; francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com; > corsi.marco@gmail.com; eve.varma@alcatel-lucent.com; > jonathan.sadler@tellabs.com; lyong@ciena.com; Ashok Kunjidhapatham; > Steve.Balls@metaswitch.com; Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com; > fu.xihua@zte.com.cn; cyril.margaria@nsn.com; Malcolm.betts@zte.com.cn > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: RE: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf- > g709v3 >=20 > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:40 AM > > To: francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com; corsi.marco@gmail.com; > > eve.varma@alcatel-lucent.com; jonathan.sadler@tellabs.com; > > lyong@ciena.com; Ashok Kunjidhapatham; Snigdho Bardalai; > > Steve.Balls@metaswitch.com; Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com; > > fu.xihua@zte.com.cn; cyril.margaria@nsn.com; Malcolm.betts@zte.com.cn > > Cc: CCAMP > > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf- > > g709v3 > > > > Hello, > > If you are listed on the to line you are listed in the above > draft as > > an Author or Contributor and I believe have not responded to the > > message included below. > > > > Can you please respond to this message (and leave CCAMP cc'ed). And > > state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > > or > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > If you answer yes, please also state: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > > or > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > > appropriate. > > > > Thank you, > > Lou > > > > On 9/28/2012 10:20 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > - > > - > > > --- > > > CCAMP: Please note there are IPR disclosures: > > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&docume > > > nt_search=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > - > > - > > > --- > > > > > > Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) > > > > > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call: > > > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to > > > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3? > > > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR > rules > > > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer > > > the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not > > you > > > are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to > > > the next stage until a response has been received from each author > > > and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN > > > THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > > > > > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an > > > author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the > > > IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > > > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > > > participating > > in > > > any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. > For > > > more information, please see the RFCs listed above and > > > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > CCAMP WG Chairs > > > > > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > > > response. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > CCAMP mailing list > > > CCAMP@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > > > > > > > > > From gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com Mon Nov 5 08:14:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F9C21F855E for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:14:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zkxg7klVMucE for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:14:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from imr3.ericy.com (imr3.ericy.com [198.24.6.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2814021F84E3 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:14:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) by imr3.ericy.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qA5GDg9t010656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:14:10 -0600 Received: from EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se (147.117.188.81) by eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se (147.117.20.178) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.279.1; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:14:08 -0500 Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.81]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:14:07 -0500 From: Gregory Mirsky To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: RE: RSVP-TE Extensions for Lock Instruct and Loopback in MPLS Transport Profile and RFC 6435 Thread-Index: Ac27cJRRVrea7FnuT8+wJ27lvXCL0A== Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:14:07 +0000 Message-ID: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112E2AA@EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.135] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112E2AAEUSAAMB103ericssons_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] RSVP-TE Extensions for Lock Instruct and Loopback in MPLS Transport Profile and RFC 6435 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:14:11 -0000 --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112E2AAEUSAAMB103ericssons_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, I'd like to note that RFC 6435 does not provide control of LB, but only LI = functionality. Regards, Greg --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112E2AAEUSAAMB103ericssons_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All,
I'd like to note that RFC 6435 does not provide control of LB, but onl= y LI functionality.
 
        Regards,
           &nbs= p;    Greg
 
 --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112E2AAEUSAAMB103ericssons_-- From jie.dong@huawei.com Mon Nov 5 08:24:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DB121F8749 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:24:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4p2uhpnrODG6 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:24:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA5E21F8792 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ALF95307; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:24:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:24:27 +0000 Received: from SZXEML426-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.72.61.34) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:24:32 +0000 Received: from SZXEML504-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.86]) by szxeml426-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.72.61.34]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 00:24:24 +0800 From: Jie Dong To: Gregory Mirsky , "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] RSVP-TE Extensions for Lock Instruct and Loopback in MPLS Transport Profile and RFC 6435 Thread-Index: Ac27cJRRVrea7FnuT8+wJ27lvXCL0AAAFZf7 Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:24:24 +0000 Message-ID: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927325A30F3@szxeml504-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112E2AA@EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112E2AA@EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.158.115] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927325A30F3szxeml504mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [CCAMP] RSVP-TE Extensions for Lock Instruct and Loopback in MPLS Transport Profile and RFC 6435 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:24:38 -0000 --_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927325A30F3szxeml504mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I agree with Greg that RFC 6435 specifies that Loopback is using NMS. I'd also like to note that the mechanism of Lock Instruct in RFC 6435 is a= lso NMS based, while the LI message is used for additional coordination and= can be optional: " To properly lock a transport path (for example, to ensure that a loopback test can be performed), both directions of the transport path must be taken out of service; therefore, a Lock command is sent to the MEPs at both ends of the path. This ensures that no traffic is sent in either direction. Thus, the lock function can be realized entirely using the management plane. ... In order to provide additional coordination, an LI OAM message can also be sent. " Best regards, Jie ________________________________ From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of Gregory = Mirsky [gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 0:14 To: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] RSVP-TE Extensions for Lock Instruct and Loopback in M= PLS Transport Profile and RFC 6435 Dear All, I'd like to note that RFC 6435 does not provide control of LB, but only LI = functionality. Regards, Greg --_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927325A30F3szxeml504mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

I agree with Greg that RFC 6435 specifies that Loopback is u= sing NMS.

 

I'd also like to note that  the mechanism of Lock Instruct in = RFC 6435 is also NMS based, while the LI message is used f= or additional coordination and can be optional:

 

" To properly lock a transport path (for example, to ensure that a<= br>    loopback test can be performed), both directions of the transp= ort
   path must be taken out of service; therefore, a Lock command i= s sent
   to the MEPs at both ends of the path.  This e= nsures that no traffic
   is sent in either direction.  Thus, the lock function can= be realized
   entirely using the management plane.

   ...

   In order to provide additional coordination, an LI&nbs= p;OAM message can

   also be sent. "

 

 

Best regards,

Jie

 

From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [ccamp-bounce= s@ietf.org] on behalf of Gregory Mirsky [gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 0:14
To: ccamp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] RSVP-TE Extensions for Lock Instruct and Loopba= ck in MPLS Transport Profile and RFC 6435

Dear All,
I'd like to note that RFC 6435 does not provide control of LB, but onl= y LI functionality.
 
        Regards,
           &nbs= p;    Greg
 
--_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927325A30F3szxeml504mbxchi_-- From kam.lam@alcatel-lucent.com Mon Nov 5 08:47:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03F021F8606 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:47:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wjfb3TzH1ORt for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from smail6.alcatel.fr (smail6.alcatel.fr [62.23.212.42]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C0221F85CD for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.64]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id qA5Gj0su011370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:47:08 +0100 Received: from US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (135.5.2.48) by FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (135.120.45.64) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.213.0; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 17:47:05 +0100 Received: from US70TWXCHMBA12.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.6.135]) by US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.48]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:47:03 -0500 From: "Lam, Hing-Kam (Kam)" To: Lou Berger , "jonathan.sadler@tellabs.com" , "francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com" , "lyong@ciena.com" , "blu@infinera.com" , "GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO)" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3 Thread-Index: AQHNsgZHFNoO53Z9tEyEioacvT6GX5fbhZ8Q Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:47:02 +0000 Message-ID: <8DBC3FDAC14BE441AED9C5939C77758509BDA5CC@US70TWXCHMBA12.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <5065B236.9080009@labn.net> <508819EE.6050303@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <508819EE.6050303@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.18] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.84 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:47:17 -0000 Hi, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Regards, Kam > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 12:40 PM > To: jonathan.sadler@tellabs.com; Lam, Hing-Kam (Kam); > francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com; lyong@ciena.com; blu@infinera.com; > GRANDI, PIETRO VITTORIO (PIETRO VITTORIO) > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling- > g709v3 >=20 > Hello, > If you are listed on the to line you are listed in the above > draft as > an Author or Contributor and I believe have not responded to the > message > included below. >=20 > Can you please respond to this message (and leave CCAMP cc'ed). And > state either: > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If you answer yes, please also state: > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. >=20 > Thank you, > Lou >=20 > On 9/28/2012 10:20 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > CCAMP: Please note there are IPR disclosures: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&documen > t_search=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) > > > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call: > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to > > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3? > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer > the > > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you > are > > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the > next > > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS > > MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > > > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author > or > > contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR > rules > > which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of > > others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in > any > > contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more > > information, please see the RFCs listed above and > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > > > Thank you, > > CCAMP WG Chairs > > > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > > response. > > _______________________________________________ > > CCAMP mailing list > > CCAMP@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > > > > > From SBardalai@infinera.com Mon Nov 5 06:18:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFA621F8447 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:18:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dbPpr8wRszu1 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:18:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sv-casht-prod2.infinera.com (sv-casht-prod2.infinera.com [8.4.225.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D767C21F8417 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:18:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from SV-EXDB-PROD2.infinera.com ([fe80::1d05:1822:aaea:ff52]) by sv-casht-prod2.infinera.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:18:26 -0800 From: Snigdho Bardalai To: Lou Berger , "francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com" , "corsi.marco@gmail.com" , "eve.varma@alcatel-lucent.com" , "jonathan.sadler@tellabs.com" , "lyong@ciena.com" , "Ashok Kunjidhapatham" , "Steve.Balls@metaswitch.com" , "Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com" , "fu.xihua@zte.com.cn" , "cyril.margaria@nsn.com" , "Malcolm.betts@zte.com.cn" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 Thread-Index: AQHNsgZAhYTuvyCw6EevqPOJbHIcCpfbXL7w Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:18:25 +0000 Message-ID: <6386D6323049044BA592CB99AB04BACB3F922988@SV-EXDB-PROD2.infinera.com> References: <5065B232.1020908@labn.net> <508819EA.3010401@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <508819EA.3010401@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.100.156.108] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 09:35:38 -0800 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:18:28 -0000 "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:40 AM > To: francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com; corsi.marco@gmail.com; > eve.varma@alcatel-lucent.com; jonathan.sadler@tellabs.com; > lyong@ciena.com; Ashok Kunjidhapatham; Snigdho Bardalai; > Steve.Balls@metaswitch.com; Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com; > fu.xihua@zte.com.cn; cyril.margaria@nsn.com; Malcolm.betts@zte.com.cn > Cc: CCAMP > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf- > g709v3 >=20 > Hello, > If you are listed on the to line you are listed in the above > draft as an Author or Contributor and I believe have not responded to > the message included below. >=20 > Can you please respond to this message (and leave CCAMP cc'ed). And > state either: > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If you answer yes, please also state: > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. >=20 > Thank you, > Lou >=20 > On 9/28/2012 10:20 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > --- > > CCAMP: Please note there are IPR disclosures: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&docume > > nt_search=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > --- > > > > Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) > > > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call: > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to > > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3? > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer > > the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not > you > > are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the > > next stage until a response has been received from each author and > > listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS > > MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > > > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author > > or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR > > rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR > > of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating > in > > any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For > > more information, please see the RFCs listed above and > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > > > Thank you, > > CCAMP WG Chairs > > > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > > response. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CCAMP mailing list > > CCAMP@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > > > > > From blu@infinera.com Mon Nov 5 10:13:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974D421F88F7 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:13:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18g9+LvvZj08 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from sv-casht-prod2.infinera.com (sv-casht-prod2.infinera.com [8.4.225.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA57E21F8413 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:13:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from SV-EXDB-PROD2.infinera.com ([fe80::1d05:1822:aaea:ff52]) by sv-casht-prod2.infinera.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:13:29 -0800 From: Biao Lu To: Lou Berger , "jonathan.sadler@tellabs.com" , "kam.lam@alcatel-lucent.com" , "francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com" , "lyong@ciena.com" , "pietro_vittorio.grandi@alcatel-lucent.it" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3 Thread-Index: AQHNnYR5s6QWrWhY2U6aI76FrlRLtpfJRssAgBKAdxA= Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:13:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5065B236.9080009@labn.net> <508819EE.6050303@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <508819EE.6050303@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.100.96.93] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:13:33 -0000 Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules Biao -----Original Message----- From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:40 AM To: jonathan.sadler@tellabs.com; kam.lam@alcatel-lucent.com; francesco.fond= elli@ericsson.com; lyong@ciena.com; Biao Lu; pietro_vittorio.grandi@alcatel= -lucent.it Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709= v3 Hello, If you are listed on the to line you are listed in the above draft as an A= uthor or Contributor and I believe have not responded to the message includ= ed below. Can you please respond to this message (and leave CCAMP cc'ed). And state e= ither: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If you answer yes, please also state: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. Thank you, Lou On 9/28/2012 10:20 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > CCAMP: Please note there are IPR disclosures: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&docume > nt_search=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- >=20 > Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) >=20 > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to=20 > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules=20 > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer=20 > the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you=20 > are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the=20 > next stage until a response has been received from each author and=20 > listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS=20 > MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author=20 > or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR=20 > rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR=20 > of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in=20 > any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For=20 > more information, please see the RFCs listed above and=20 > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >=20 > Thank you, > CCAMP WG Chairs >=20 > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your=20 > response. > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From lberger@labn.net Mon Nov 5 15:58:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4500921F845E for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:58:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.005 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.005 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.260, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hBlfkYyducHD for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CE6821F87E9 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3443 invoked by uid 0); 5 Nov 2012 23:58:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2012 23:58:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=xktnlhhh8OgLqn7Mb/pDEqqhsle9jfG6zM89g9K629Y=; b=L+B9S3ZfLcUJG+Ro4zTncDN9P9r3oCfRZil9AxicfADzhsrQ/V3xsrR76gxKnpITvqUY14BQZ8sjQAM4m5ay3sGVk560UcO51OFcVjNZ6uyjrzrLtZQjYWf0vO09hiKB; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:48131 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TVWYL-0007ZT-7J for ccamp@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:58:01 -0700 Message-ID: <5098528A.6070504@labn.net> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 18:58:02 -0500 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] follow-up discussions from this morning's session X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 23:58:25 -0000 Hello, We had a couple of discussions in today's meeting that that would clearly benefit from some more detail, and informal, discussions. I'd like to encourage draft authors to take advantage of the face-to-face time this week. If you are not an author and would like to participate in these discussions, please contact the authors directly or let me know and I'll connect you. The two topics and sets of related drafts include: 1) MLN/MRN Adaptation (motivated by OTN) Drafts: draft-bcg-ccamp-gmpls-ml-implications-03 draft-rao-ccamp-otn-mlnmrn-ospfte-ext-00 2) Overlay/MLN/VNT (+your favorite policy interface) Drafts: draft-many-ccamp-gmpls-overlay-model-01 draft-beeram-ccamp-gmpls-enni-01 Much thanks, Lou From leeyoung@huawei.com Mon Nov 5 16:01:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF22811E80A3 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:01:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qsDEn6pTrEME for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3606021F8507 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ALG15103; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:01:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 00:01:07 +0000 Received: from DFWEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.151) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 00:01:13 +0000 Received: from DFWEML511-MBB.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.134]) by dfweml403-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.151]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:01:10 -0800 From: Leeyoung To: Lou Berger , DEBORAH A ATTLABS BRUNGARD Thread-Topic: How to move WSON related drafts Thread-Index: Ac27sdJYhl3QFCEQTnOXIOQHgT3ZgA== Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 00:01:08 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A0C74@dfweml511-mbb.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.130.72] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A0C74dfweml511mbbchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] How to move WSON related drafts X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:01:18 -0000 --_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A0C74dfweml511mbbchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lou and Deborah, After today's CCAMP meeting, we realized that the current WSON signaling dr= aft (draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signaling -04) is contingent upon Cyril's draft = (draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-02.txt). This dependency may keep the WSON signaling draft from moving forward with = other WSON drafts toward WG LC. My question to the chairs is if it would be possible to move the non-signal= ing related WSON drafts first toward to WG LC. This is actually consistent = with the WG milestone statement (copied below) in which the routing related= WSON drafts are scheduled to move ahead of the signaling related draft. Dec 2012 Submit WSON routing related drafts for IESG review Jun 2013 Submit WSON signaling related draft for IESG review Thanks in advance for sharing your thought on this issue. Best Regards, Young --_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A0C74dfweml511mbbchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Lou and Deborah,

 

After today’s CCAMP meeting, we realized that = the current WSON signaling draft (draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signaling -04) is c= ontingent upon Cyril’s draft (draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-= 02.txt).

 

This dependency may keep the WSON signaling draft fr= om moving forward with other WSON drafts toward WG LC.

 

My question to the chairs is if it would be possible= to move the non-signaling related WSON drafts first toward to WG LC. This = is actually consistent with the WG milestone statement (copied below= ) in which the routing related WSON drafts are scheduled to move ahead of the signaling related draft.

 

Dec 2012

Submit WSON routing related drafts for= IESG review

Jun 2013

Submit WSON signaling related draft fo= r IESG review

&n= bsp;

Thanks in advance for sharing your thought on this i= ssue.

 

Best Regards,

Young

--_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A0C74dfweml511mbbchi_-- From leeyoung@huawei.com Mon Nov 5 16:22:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660A91F0C67 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:22:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rav8mUSZrbC8 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257C51F0C54 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ALG15911; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:22:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 00:21:30 +0000 Received: from DFWEML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.151) by lhreml402-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.241) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 00:21:35 +0000 Received: from DFWEML511-MBB.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.134]) by dfweml403-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.151]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 16:21:33 -0800 From: Leeyoung To: CCAMP Thread-Topic: How to move WSON related drafts Thread-Index: Ac27sdJYhl3QFCEQTnOXIOQHgT3ZgAAAsGNw Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 00:21:32 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A0CAE@dfweml511-mbb.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.130.72] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A0CAEdfweml511mbbchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [CCAMP] FW: How to move WSON related drafts X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 00:22:34 -0000 --_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A0CAEdfweml511mbbchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wasn't sure if this has been sent to the mailing list. Young From: Leeyoung Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:01 PM To: 'Lou Berger'; DEBORAH A ATTLABS BRUNGARD Cc: 'Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti)'; CCAMP Subject: How to move WSON related drafts Hi Lou and Deborah, After today's CCAMP meeting, we realized that the current WSON signaling dr= aft (draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signaling -04) is contingent upon Cyril's draft = (draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-02.txt). This dependency may keep the WSON signaling draft from moving forward with = other WSON drafts toward WG LC. My question to the chairs is if it would be possible to move the non-signal= ing related WSON drafts first toward to WG LC. This is actually consistent = with the WG milestone statement (copied below) in which the routing related= WSON drafts are scheduled to move ahead of the signaling related draft. Dec 2012 Submit WSON routing related drafts for IESG review Jun 2013 Submit WSON signaling related draft for IESG review Thanks in advance for sharing your thought on this issue. Best Regards, Young --_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A0CAEdfweml511mbbchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I wasn’t sure if= this has been sent to the mailing list.

 

Young

 

From: Leeyoung
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:01 PM
To: 'Lou Berger'; DEBORAH A ATTLABS BRUNGARD
Cc: 'Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti)'; CCAMP
Subject: How to move WSON related drafts

 

Hi Lou and Deborah,

 

After today’s CCAMP meeting, we realized that = the current WSON signaling draft (draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signaling -04) is c= ontingent upon Cyril’s draft (draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-= 02.txt).

 

This dependency may keep the WSON signaling draft fr= om moving forward with other WSON drafts toward WG LC.

 

My question to the chairs is if it would be possible= to move the non-signaling related WSON drafts first toward to WG LC. This = is actually consistent with the WG milestone statement (copied below= ) in which the routing related WSON drafts are scheduled to move ahead of the signaling related draft.

 

Dec 2012

Submit WSON routing related drafts for= IESG review

Jun 2013

Submit WSON signaling related draft fo= r IESG review

&n= bsp;

Thanks in advance for sharing your thought on this i= ssue.

 

Best Regards,

Young

--_000_7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A0CAEdfweml511mbbchi_-- From lberger@labn.net Tue Nov 6 07:02:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3728121F898F for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 07:02:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.057 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.057 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.208, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ia7DcxmLPReo for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 07:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DF7421F8957 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 07:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3172 invoked by uid 0); 6 Nov 2012 15:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2012 15:01:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=wQdx5+XKy8wh3fUoVFX6cLfXovpzUBwUtNXYgMYRHLk=; b=NSQf4ZhI1+mlu+8FtoLQweUL8nLdHDKktTPvMdeZjavLBYF8u/0e5GnFEdFgWyFfdAh7T/MstqswZcJwBbrtiqWzOcY92ypOLyybXBUipmmVcC1nOcRBVnMfxmHPuGMA; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:54403 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TVkeh-0003pK-1d; Tue, 06 Nov 2012 08:01:31 -0700 Message-ID: <5099264B.7050709@labn.net> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 10:01:31 -0500 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leeyoung References: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A0C74@dfweml511-mbb.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A0C74@dfweml511-mbb.china.huawei.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP , DEBORAH A ATTLABS BRUNGARD Subject: Re: [CCAMP] How to move WSON related drafts X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:02:00 -0000 Young, As indicated by the milestones, it is possible to progress some WSON documents before the signaling document. That said, if the documents can move as a group, this would be better from both a review and process perspective. So, we, the chairs, would like to understand just what is left to do in the signaling document before deciding this point. This is the basis for our request that status of all WSON documents be presented at this IETF. Some status will be presented later today. Let's hear what is said, see what related discussion we have on the list, and then go from there. Lou On 11/5/2012 7:01 PM, Leeyoung wrote: > Hi Lou and Deborah, > > > > After todays CCAMP meeting, we realized that the current WSON signaling > draft (draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-signaling -04) is contingent upon Cyrils > draft (draft-margaria-ccamp-lsp-attribute-ero-02.txt). > > > > This dependency may keep the WSON signaling draft from moving forward > with other WSON drafts toward WG LC. > > > > My question to the chairs is if it would be possible to move the > non-signaling related WSON drafts first toward to WG LC. This is > actually consistent with the WG milestone statement (/copied below/) in > which the routing related WSON drafts are scheduled to move ahead of the > signaling related draft. > > > > /Dec 2012 / > > > > /Submit WSON routing related drafts for IESG review / > > /Jun 2013 / > > > > /Submit WSON signaling related draft for IESG review/ > > > > Thanks in advance for sharing your thought on this issue. > > > > Best Regards, > > Young > From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Tue Nov 6 13:52:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE0C21F8B12; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:52:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.039 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.039 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_93=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wz1dqYoFVh8f; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735B521F8B03; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id B7A5BB1E010; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:46:07 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20121106214607.B7A5BB1E010@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 13:46:07 -0800 (PST) Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [CCAMP] RFC 6777 on Label Switched Path (LSP) Data Path Delay Metrics in Generalized MPLS and MPLS Traffic Engineering (MPLS-TE) Networks X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:52:39 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6777 Title: Label Switched Path (LSP) Data Path Delay Metrics in Generalized MPLS and MPLS Traffic Engineering (MPLS-TE) Networks Author: W. Sun, Ed., G. Zhang, Ed., J. Gao, G. Xie, R. Papneja Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: November 2012 Mailbox: sun.weiqiang@gmail.com, zhangguoying@catr.cn, gjhhit@huawei.com, xieg@cs.ucr.edu, rajiv.papneja@huawei.com Pages: 29 Characters: 57725 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-ccamp-dpm-08.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6777.txt When setting up a Label Switched Path (LSP) in Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) and MPLS Traffic Engineering (MPLS-TE) networks, the completion of the signaling process does not necessarily mean that the cross-connection along the LSP has been programmed accordingly and in a timely manner. Meanwhile, the completion of the signaling process may be used by LSP users or applications that control their use as an indication that the data path has become usable. The existence of the inconsistency between the signaling messages and cross-connection programming, and the possible failure of cross- connection programming, if not properly treated, will result in data loss or even application failure. Characterization of this performance can thus help designers to improve the way in which LSPs are used and to make applications or tools that depend on and use LSPs more robust. This document defines a series of performance metrics to evaluate the connectivity of the data path in the signaling process. [STANDARDS-TRACK] This document is a product of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community,and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the Internet Official Protocol Standards (STD 1) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. To subscribe or unsubscribe, see http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist For searching the RFC series, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html. For downloading RFCs, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html. Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the author of the RFC in question, or to rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org. Unless specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for unlimited distribution. The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From ma-miyazawa@kddilabs.jp Wed Nov 7 17:18:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9C221F8698; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:18:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3woW2L0SDIbI; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:18:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp (mandala.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:12::16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2D221F8697; Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2AA1174819A; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:18:09 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddilabs.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EbZfeB9QV-Dq; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:17:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (yellow.lan.kddilabs.jp [172.19.98.10]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A71E17480C3; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:17:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from miyazawaVAIO (dhcp50.wlan.kddilabs.jp [172.19.110.50]) by mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5EE1E0002; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:17:58 +0900 (JST) From: "Masanori Miyazawa" To: "'Leeyoung'" , References: <507F1CC1.7070301@riw.us> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729089755@dfweml511-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729089755@dfweml511-mbs.china.huawei.com> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:17:55 +0900 Message-ID: <007301cdbd4e$e1876ce0$a49646a0$@kddilabs.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-language: ja Thread-index: AQIyibe83YGRiYVfUNFFTETwj1TyEwEMD8ZHlw0eRxA= Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, 'CCAMP' , draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-14.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 01:18:20 -0000 Dear Young, Thank you for your comments. We modified the document based on your = comments. Regarding IANA consideration section in your comments, we think that = this was typo, this should read "yyy". Is it right? However, we believe that IANA will know what is expected for this action = since it mirrors the actions they have applied for many other MIB = modules. >Section 9.1 --- Not clear what is being asked to the IANA. Would it be = more specific than =E2=80=9Ctransmission XXX=E2=80=9D? Need come = clarification >on this.=20 >The IANA is requested to assign {transmission XXX } to the TED-MIB=20 > module specified in this document. Regards, Masanori > -----Original Message----- > From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:22 AM > To: rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib.all@tools.ietf.org; > rtg-dir@ietf.org; CCAMP > Subject: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-14.txt >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this = draft. > The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related > drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review. The = purpose > of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more > information about the Routing Directorate, please see > http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/routing.html > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, = it > would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF = Last > Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through > discussion or by updating the draft. >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-14.txt > Reviewer: Young Lee > Review Date: 17 October 2012 > IETF LC End Date: 18 October 2012 > Intended Status: Standard track >=20 > Summary: > I have no major concerns about this document that I think should be = resolved > before publication. >=20 > Comments: > This document is clearly written, but hard to read due to tight = indentations > and no spacing between major sections and paragraphs throughout the = whole > document. >=20 > Major Issues: > No major issues found. >=20 > Minor Issues: >=20 > Abstract >=20 > Indentations need to be fixed >=20 > Section 2 Introduction >=20 > S/ On the other side, MPLS/GMPLS based traffic > engineering has so far extended OSPF/ISIS routing protocol with TE > functionality [RFC4202], [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5307], = [RFC5305]. > / On the other side, MPLS/GMPLS based traffic > engineering has so far extended OSPF/ISIS routing protocol with TE > functionality per [RFC4202], [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5307] and > [RFC5305]. >=20 > Section 2 >=20 > S/ To manage such MPLS-TE/GMPLS networks effectively, routing > information associated with MPLS/GMPLS TE parameters (TED) is > preferred for the network management, however, there is no clear > definition of MPLS/GMPLS TE information in existing MIBs related to > OSPF(v2 and v3)/ISIS. > / To manage such MPLS-TE/GMPLS networks effectively, routing > information associated with MPLS/GMPLS TE parameters (TED) is > preferred for the network management; however, there is no clear > definition of MPLS/GMPLS TE information in existing MIBs related to > OSPF(v2 and v3)/ISIS. >=20 > Section 3.3 =E2=80=93 Please use consistent cases for all acronyms. >=20 > GMPLS: Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching > ISIS: Intermediate System to Intermediate System > LSA: Link state advertisement =EF=83=A0 Link State Advertisement > LSP: Label Switching Path > LSR: Label Switching Router > MIB: Management Information Base > OSPF: Open Shortest Path First > PSC: Packet switch capable -> Packet Switch Capable > SRLG: Shared risk link group -> Shared Risk Link Group > TE: Traffic Engineering > TED: Traffic Engineering Database > TDM: Time Division Multiplexing >=20 > Section 5.3 =E2=80=93 Style of consistency with Section 5.2 >=20 > S / Also, this is utilized independently because one or more local = interface > IP address sub TLVs may exist in the same Link-TLV. > / This is independently defined, because the Interface IP Address = sub-TLV > may > appear more than once within the same Link-TLV. >=20 > Section 5.4 and 5.5 --- same comment as above >=20 > Section 7 >=20 > - Not clear what these MIB Definitions are all about. If these need > to be supported, there should statements that these are additional = MIBS > to be added to existing MIB, etc. >=20 > Style of writing in the following sentence >=20 > S / These are the tables and objects and their > sensitivity/vulnerability: tedTable, tedLocalIfAddrTable, > tedRemoteIfAddrTable, tedSwCapTable and tedSrlgTable contain = topology > information for the MPLS/GMPLS network. > / The list of tables and objects that may be vulnerable or sensitive: > tedTable, tedLocalIfAddrTable, tedRemoteIfAddrTable, tedSwCapTable and > tedSrlgTable. They contain topology information for the MPLS/GMPLS = network. >=20 > Section 9.1 --- Not clear what is being asked to the IANA. Would it be = more > specific than =E2=80=9Ctransmission XXX=E2=80=9D? Need come = clarification on this. >=20 > The IANA is requested to assign {transmission XXX } to the TED-MIB > module specified in this document. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Nits: >=20 > Please correct the following issues generated by the Nits tool: >=20 > =3D=3D The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, = but was > first submitted before 10 November 2008. Should you add the > disclaimer? > (See the Legal Provisions document at > http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more information.). >=20 > -- The document date (October 4, 2012) is 14 days in the past. Is = this > intentional? >=20 >=20 > Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ >=20 > (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using normative > references > to lower-maturity documents in RFCs) >=20 > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC2328' is defined on line 1552, but no = explicit > reference was found in the text >=20 > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC4001' is defined on line 1566, but no = explicit > reference was found in the text >=20 > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC4801' is defined on line 1579, but no = explicit > reference was found in the text >=20 > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC5340' is defined on line 1587, but no = explicit > reference was found in the text >=20 > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC6340' is defined on line 1593, but no = explicit > reference was found in the text >=20 > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'ISO10589' is defined on line 1596, but no = explicit > reference was found in the text >=20 > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC4220' is defined on line 1625, but no = explicit > reference was found in the text >=20 > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. = 'ISO10589' >=20 >=20 > Young From cbowers@juniper.net Thu Nov 8 08:18:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D206221F8660 for ; 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Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SN2PRD0510HT004.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (157.56.234.117) by CH1EHSMHS004.bigfish.com (10.43.70.4) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:16:56 +0000 Received: from SN2PRD0510MB384.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.10.16]) by SN2PRD0510HT004.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.116.39]) with mapi id 14.16.0233.002; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:16:56 +0000 From: Chris Bowers To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: using RFC6205 encoding of wavelengths in draft-galikunze-ccamp-g-698-2-snmp-mib-01 and draft-dharinigert-ccamp-g-698-2-lmp-01 Thread-Index: Ac29zFjymY27rK6qSuifEIpe6ErQWw== Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 16:16:55 +0000 Message-ID: <145B98DA3B8D164BA479E1AC5316E6AF0A0CA532@SN2PRD0510MB384.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [66.129.224.53] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_145B98DA3B8D164BA479E1AC5316E6AF0A0CA532SN2PRD0510MB384_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%12219$Dn%IETF.ORG$RO%2$TLS%5$FQDN%onpremiseedge-1018244.customer.frontbridge.com$TlsDn%o365mail.juniper.net Subject: [CCAMP] using RFC6205 encoding of wavelengths in draft-galikunze-ccamp-g-698-2-snmp-mib-01 and draft-dharinigert-ccamp-g-698-2-lmp-01 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:18:49 -0000 --_000_145B98DA3B8D164BA479E1AC5316E6AF0A0CA532SN2PRD0510MB384_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Both draft-galikunze-ccamp-g-698-2-snmp-mib-0 and draft-dharinigert-ccamp-g= -698-2-lmp-01 specify wavelengths in THz. This would also require specify= ing the floating-point representation for proper encoding. Instead, I would suggest that these drafts use the wavelength encoding defi= ned in RFC6205. This will allow the absolute wavelength values to be encod= ed as integer values for the encoded grid and channel spacing. It also avo= ids creating multiple wavelength encodings in documents produced by CCAMP. Chris --_000_145B98DA3B8D164BA479E1AC5316E6AF0A0CA532SN2PRD0510MB384_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Both draft-galikunze-ccamp-g-698-2-snmp-mib-0 and dr= aft-dharinigert-ccamp-g-698-2-lmp-01 specify wavelengths in THz.  &nbs= p;This would also require specifying the floating-point representation for = proper encoding.

 

Instead, I would suggest that these drafts use the w= avelength encoding defined in RFC6205.  This will allow the absolute w= avelength values to be encoded as integer values for the encoded grid and c= hannel spacing.  It also avoids creating multiple wavelength encodings in documents produced by CCAMP.

 

Chris

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quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.36 Message-ID: <20121108183827.2595.75450.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 10:38:27 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-19.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:38:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information Encoding f= or Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Greg M. Bernstein Young Lee Dan Li Wataru Imajuku Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-19.txt Pages : 40 Date : 2012-11-08 Abstract: A wavelength switched optical network (WSON) requires that certain key information elements are made available to facilitate path computation and the establishment of label switching paths (LSPs). The information model described in "Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks" shows what information is required at specific points in the WSON. Part of the WSON information model contains aspects that may be of general applicability to other technologies, while other parts are fairly specific to WSONs. This document provides efficient, protocol-agnostic encodings for the WSON specific information elements. It is intended that protocol-specific documents will reference this memo to describe how information is carried for specific uses. Such encodings can be used to extend GMPLS signaling and routing protocols. In addition these encodings could be used by other mechanisms to convey this same information to a path computation element (PCE). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-19 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-19 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From leeyoung@huawei.com Thu Nov 8 10:43:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C0E21F8445 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:43:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v4rSrHaL2Iqk for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:43:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFDF21F843F for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:43:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ALI83334; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:43:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:43:34 +0000 Received: from DFWEML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.131) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:43:48 +0000 Received: from dfweml511-mbs.china.huawei.com ([169.254.15.12]) by dfweml406-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.131]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 10:43:45 -0800 From: Leeyoung To: "'CCAMP'" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-19.txt Thread-Index: AQHNveBD3J99ZppsdEqNgUWym1JNSJfgRO7Q Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:43:45 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A8A0D@dfweml511-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <20121108183827.2595.75450.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20121108183827.2595.75450.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.154.140] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-19.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:43:54 -0000 Hi Everyone, This update basically incorporated all pending issues and editorial errors.= Here's the summary of the major changes: - Added Section 5.2.5 to include ITU-G.695 Application Code Mapping. (than= ks to Kam Lam) - Section 5.2.4 encoding aligned with Section 5.2.5.=20 The authors believe this draft is ready for WG LC.=20 Best Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of i= nternet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 12:38 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-19.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information Encoding f= or Wavelength Switched Optical Networks Author(s) : Greg M. Bernstein Young Lee Dan Li Wataru Imajuku Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-19.txt Pages : 40 Date : 2012-11-08 Abstract: A wavelength switched optical network (WSON) requires that certain key information elements are made available to facilitate path computation and the establishment of label switching paths (LSPs). The information model described in "Routing and Wavelength Assignment Information for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks" shows what information is required at specific points in the WSON. Part of the WSON information model contains aspects that may be of general applicability to other technologies, while other parts are fairly specific to WSONs. This document provides efficient, protocol-agnostic encodings for the WSON specific information elements. It is intended that protocol-specific documents will reference this memo to describe how information is carried for specific uses. Such encodings can be used to extend GMPLS signaling and routing protocols. In addition these encodings could be used by other mechanisms to convey this same information to a path computation element (PCE). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-19 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-19 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From lberger@labn.net Thu Nov 8 14:16:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A5721F880A for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:16:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.383 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.383 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.216, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n53G5IFu21ec for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:16:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com [173.254.64.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F85921F853B for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:16:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6072 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2012 22:15:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy11.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2012 22:15:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=AsewMSfircysvoKiJzTA2ZDsateK18nYeilUZOQ5IP4=; b=WyTzaOBwL+pu1+p7d6yecDjObyGyFDq3EaPDNA1cqNJpw9gRsYksRiotD8Yof7TcmMj0wFQZg/utjSDpn9K6wAQfUczWFO6va1a8eQCApqLo8ilpjdfrtPJrjc7/kHKf; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:50153 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TWaOE-0004z2-Cc; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:15:58 -0700 Message-ID: <509C2F21.6000301@labn.net> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:16:01 -0500 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org, CCAMP X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] WG for delay-loss problem-statement & framework X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:16:22 -0000 In the MPLS session, we just discussed if the following drafts should go to MPLS or CCAMP: draft-fuxh-mpls-delay-loss-te-problem-statement-01 draft-fuxh-mpls-delay-loss-te-framework-06 All the chairs in the room said it was up to the AD (Loa was on Jabber, Deborah was stuck in NJ). Adrian (our AD) just leaned over and said CCAMP, and I agree. So, I think we have our answer! Lou From gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com Thu Nov 8 15:07:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF97121F88CF; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:07:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 46DYyfM9lwVC; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:07:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF4F21F8831; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.178]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id qA8NCk5b004025; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:12:48 -0600 Received: from EUSAAHC008.ericsson.se (147.117.188.96) by eusaamw0711.eamcs.ericsson.se (147.117.20.178) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.279.1; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:07:21 -0500 Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC008.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.96]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:07:20 -0500 From: Gregory Mirsky To: Lou Berger , "mpls@ietf.org" , CCAMP Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] WG for delay-loss problem-statement & framework Thread-Index: AQHNvf60cHlHw3FCCEmcA2rB1ngL55fgiidQ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 23:07:20 +0000 Message-ID: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112010087@EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se> References: <509C2F21.6000301@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <509C2F21.6000301@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.134] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112010087EUSAAMB103ericsso_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG for delay-loss problem-statement & framework X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 23:07:33 -0000 --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112010087EUSAAMB103ericsso_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lou, at al., Would the CCAMP WG host work on PM methodology? I think that accurate defin= ition of measurement methodology to produce useful data is as important as = specification of mechanisms to propagate and use them. Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of L= ou Berger Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 2:16 PM To: mpls@ietf.org; CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] WG for delay-loss problem-statement & framework In the MPLS session, we just discussed if the following drafts should go to= MPLS or CCAMP: draft-fuxh-mpls-delay-loss-te-problem-statement-01 draft-fuxh-mpls-delay-loss-te-framework-06 All the chairs in the room said it was up to the AD (Loa was on Jabber, Deb= orah was stuck in NJ). Adrian (our AD) just leaned over and said CCAMP, an= d I agree. So, I think we have our answer! Lou _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112010087EUSAAMB103ericsso_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lou, at al.,
Would the CCAMP WG host work on PM methodology? I think that accurate = definition of measurement methodology to produce useful data is as importan= t as specification of mechanisms to propagate and use them.
 
        Regards,
           &nbs= p;    Greg
 
-----Original Message-----
From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Lou Berger
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 2:16 PM
To: mpls@ietf.org; CCAMP
Subject: [CCAMP] WG for delay-loss problem-statement & framework
 
In the MPLS session, we just discussed if the following drafts should = go to MPLS or CCAMP:
draft-fuxh-mpls-delay-loss-te-problem-statement-01
draft-fuxh-mpls-delay-loss-te-framework-06
 
All the chairs in the room said it was up to the AD (Loa was on Jabber= , Deborah was stuck in NJ).  Adrian (our AD) just leaned over and said= CCAMP, and I agree.  So, I think we have our answer!
 
Lou
 
 
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 --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112010087EUSAAMB103ericsso_-- From lberger@labn.net Thu Nov 8 15:34:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C00321F8952 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:34:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.234 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.234 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.031, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3cN5dkpfwLj0 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 880F621F88B4 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:34:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26729 invoked by uid 0); 8 Nov 2012 23:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2012 23:34:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=SofjTth9dW7tcQKiJQvLeyqlhqF1zpxAATsOg2UmbHo=; b=A0DkQ0scWyhfLArBtoVR2BGNb6pv0N0b+kaCYOcQNuCXHDpzb6edmbONRfmZmVkNWsMd0luW/FXANRevkrwUOAoDBvAqffA+URpl0nCe3OjbNU16S+D3cYiv9tY4w0N6; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:57531 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TWbbw-0003AX-5l; Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:34:12 -0700 Message-ID: <509C4175.9070502@labn.net> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 18:34:13 -0500 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gregory Mirsky References: <509C2F21.6000301@labn.net> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112010087@EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112010087@EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG for delay-loss problem-statement & framework X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 23:34:35 -0000 Greg, Not an unreasonable question. While the "Definition of protocol-independent metrics and parameters" is within the scope of the charter, I'd expect this work will more likely align with the charter task of "Define how the properties of network resources gathered by a measurement protocol (or by other means e.g. configured) can be distributed in existing routing protocols". That said, this work has been in CCAMP for all of about 75 minutes, so it's a little premature for me to have a definitive position. Lou On 11/8/2012 6:07 PM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: > Hi Lou, at al., > Would the CCAMP WG host work on PM methodology? I think that accurate > definition of measurement methodology to produce useful data is as > important as specification of mechanisms to propagate and use them. > > Regards, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [_mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org_] On Behalf > Of Lou Berger > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 2:16 PM > To: mpls@ietf.org; CCAMP > Subject: [CCAMP] WG for delay-loss problem-statement & framework > > In the MPLS session, we just discussed if the following drafts should go > to MPLS or CCAMP: > draft-fuxh-mpls-delay-loss-te-problem-statement-01 > draft-fuxh-mpls-delay-loss-te-framework-06 > > All the chairs in the room said it was up to the AD (Loa was on Jabber, > Deborah was stuck in NJ). Adrian (our AD) just leaned over and said > CCAMP, and I agree. So, I think we have our answer! > > Lou > > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > _https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp_ > From ma-miyazawa@kddilabs.jp Thu Nov 8 17:07:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE9421F8B5F; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:07:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H+moH6TDA3k7; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp (mandala.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:12::16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539F121F8B5A; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E38417481CA; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:07:47 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddilabs.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IU2ECOi3TRHE; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:07:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (yellow.lan.kddilabs.jp [172.19.98.10]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77801748043; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:07:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from miyazawaVAIO (dhcp50.wlan.kddilabs.jp [172.19.110.50]) by mail.cn.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940BB1E0002; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:07:46 +0900 (JST) From: "Masanori Miyazawa" To: "'Leeyoung'" , References: <507F1CC1.7070301@riw.us> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E1729089755@dfweml511-mbs.china.huawei.com> <007301cdbd4e$e1876ce0$a49646a0$@kddilabs.jp> <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A89DF@dfweml511-mbs.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E17290A89DF@dfweml511-mbs.china.huawei.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:07:42 +0900 Message-ID: <008d01cdbe16$9efe8250$dcfb86f0$@kddilabs.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIyibe83YGRiYVfUNFFTETwj1TyEwEMD8ZHAb3TimkBuV2iz5by/oxQ Content-Language: ja Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, 'CCAMP' , draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib.all@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-14.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:07:52 -0000 Hi Young, Thank you for your response. We will modify the document based on comments including your other = comments, and post it. Regards, Masanori > -----Original Message----- > From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 3:30 AM > To: Masanori Miyazawa; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib.all@tools.ietf.org; > rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'CCAMP' > Subject: RE: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-14.txt >=20 > Dear Masanori, >=20 > If the new IANA TED-MIB assignment cannot be known a priori before the > submission, I am fine with the current statement. >=20 > Thanks. > Young >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Masanori Miyazawa [mailto:ma-miyazawa@kddilabs.jp] > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:18 PM > To: Leeyoung; rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib.all@tools.ietf.org; > rtg-dir@ietf.org; 'CCAMP' > Subject: RE: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-14.txt >=20 > Dear Young, >=20 > Thank you for your comments. We modified the document based on your = comments. > Regarding IANA consideration section in your comments, we think that = this > was typo, this should read "yyy". > Is it right? > However, we believe that IANA will know what is expected for this = action > since it mirrors the actions they have applied for many other MIB = modules. >=20 > >Section 9.1 --- Not clear what is being asked to the IANA. Would it = be > more specific than =E2=80=9Ctransmission XXX=E2=80=9D? Need come = clarification >on this. > >The IANA is requested to assign {transmission XXX } to the TED-MIB > > module specified in this document. >=20 > Regards, > Masanori >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Leeyoung [mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com] > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:22 AM > > To: rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org > > Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib.all@tools.ietf.org; > > rtg-dir@ietf.org; CCAMP > > Subject: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-14.txt > > > > Hello, > > > > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this = draft. > > The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or = routing-related > > drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review. The > > purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. = For > > more information about the Routing Directorate, please see > > http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/routing.html > > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing = ADs, > > it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other > > IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them > > through discussion or by updating the draft. > > > > Document: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-14.txt > > Reviewer: Young Lee > > Review Date: 17 October 2012 > > IETF LC End Date: 18 October 2012 > > Intended Status: Standard track > > > > Summary: > > I have no major concerns about this document that I think should be > > resolved before publication. > > > > Comments: > > This document is clearly written, but hard to read due to tight > > indentations and no spacing between major sections and paragraphs > > throughout the whole document. > > > > Major Issues: > > No major issues found. > > > > Minor Issues: > > > > Abstract > > > > Indentations need to be fixed > > > > Section 2 Introduction > > > > S/ On the other side, MPLS/GMPLS based traffic > > engineering has so far extended OSPF/ISIS routing protocol with = TE > > functionality [RFC4202], [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5307], = [RFC5305]. > > / On the other side, MPLS/GMPLS based traffic > > engineering has so far extended OSPF/ISIS routing protocol with = TE > > functionality per [RFC4202], [RFC3630], [RFC5329], [RFC5307] and > > [RFC5305]. > > > > Section 2 > > > > S/ To manage such MPLS-TE/GMPLS networks effectively, routing > > information associated with MPLS/GMPLS TE parameters (TED) is > > preferred for the network management, however, there is no clear > > definition of MPLS/GMPLS TE information in existing MIBs related = to > > OSPF(v2 and v3)/ISIS. > > / To manage such MPLS-TE/GMPLS networks effectively, routing > > information associated with MPLS/GMPLS TE parameters (TED) is > > preferred for the network management; however, there is no clear > > definition of MPLS/GMPLS TE information in existing MIBs related = to > > OSPF(v2 and v3)/ISIS. > > > > Section 3.3 =E2=80=93 Please use consistent cases for all acronyms. > > > > GMPLS: Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching > > ISIS: Intermediate System to Intermediate System > > LSA: Link state advertisement =C3=A0 Link State Advertisement > > LSP: Label Switching Path > > LSR: Label Switching Router > > MIB: Management Information Base > > OSPF: Open Shortest Path First > > PSC: Packet switch capable -> Packet Switch Capable > > SRLG: Shared risk link group -> Shared Risk Link Group > > TE: Traffic Engineering > > TED: Traffic Engineering Database > > TDM: Time Division Multiplexing > > > > Section 5.3 =E2=80=93 Style of consistency with Section 5.2 > > > > S / Also, this is utilized independently because one or more local > > interface IP address sub TLVs may exist in the same Link-TLV. > > / This is independently defined, because the Interface IP Address > > sub-TLV may > > appear more than once within the same Link-TLV. > > > > Section 5.4 and 5.5 --- same comment as above > > > > Section 7 > > > > - Not clear what these MIB Definitions are all about. If these need > > to be supported, there should statements that these are additional > > MIBS to be added to existing MIB, etc. > > > > Style of writing in the following sentence > > > > S / These are the tables and objects and their > > sensitivity/vulnerability: tedTable, tedLocalIfAddrTable, > > tedRemoteIfAddrTable, tedSwCapTable and tedSrlgTable contain > topology > > information for the MPLS/GMPLS network. > > / The list of tables and objects that may be vulnerable or = sensitive: > > tedTable, tedLocalIfAddrTable, tedRemoteIfAddrTable, tedSwCapTable = and > > tedSrlgTable. They contain topology information for the MPLS/GMPLS > network. > > > > Section 9.1 --- Not clear what is being asked to the IANA. Would it = be > > more specific than =E2=80=9Ctransmission XXX=E2=80=9D? Need come = clarification on this. > > > > The IANA is requested to assign {transmission XXX } to the TED-MIB > > module specified in this document. > > > > > > > > Nits: > > > > Please correct the following issues generated by the Nits tool: > > > > =3D=3D The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 = work, but > was > > first submitted before 10 November 2008. Should you add the > > disclaimer? > > (See the Legal Provisions document at > > http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more information.). > > > > -- The document date (October 4, 2012) is 14 days in the past. Is = this > > intentional? > > > > > > Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > > (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using normative > > references > > to lower-maturity documents in RFCs) > > > > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC2328' is defined on line 1552, but no = explicit > > reference was found in the text > > > > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC4001' is defined on line 1566, but no = explicit > > reference was found in the text > > > > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC4801' is defined on line 1579, but no = explicit > > reference was found in the text > > > > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC5340' is defined on line 1587, but no = explicit > > reference was found in the text > > > > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC6340' is defined on line 1593, but no = explicit > > reference was found in the text > > > > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'ISO10589' is defined on line 1596, but = no explicit > > reference was found in the text > > > > =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC4220' is defined on line 1625, but no = explicit > > reference was found in the text > > > > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. = 'ISO10589' > > > > > > Young >=20 From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Nov 8 17:17:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AD821F85E8; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:17:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.56 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KI4XyORdIaPb; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F9F21F862E; Thu, 8 Nov 2012 17:17:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.36 Message-ID: <20121109011703.27331.41473.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:17:03 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-15.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:17:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Traffic Engineering Database Management Information Base= in support of MPLS-TE/GMPLS Author(s) : Masanori Miyazawa Tomohiro Otani Kenji Kumaki Thomas D. Nadeau Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-15.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2012-11-08 Abstract: This memo defines the Management Information Base (MIB) objects in order to manage traffic engineering database (TED) information with extension in support of Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) with traffic engineering (TE) as well as Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) for use with network management protocols. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-15 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-15 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From dave.mcdysan@verizon.com Fri Nov 9 04:53:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E5D21F8481 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 04:53:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rl5FTDz9D-ia for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 04:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from fldsmtpe02.verizon.com (fldsmtpe02.verizon.com [140.108.26.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F62421F866D for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 04:53:18 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: false Received: from unknown (HELO fldsmtpi03.verizon.com) ([166.68.71.145]) by fldsmtpe02.verizon.com with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2012 12:53:17 +0000 From: "Mcdysan, David E" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,744,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="360529874" Received: from fhdp1lumxc7hb03.verizon.com (HELO FHDP1LUMXC7HB03.us.one.verizon.com) ([166.68.59.190]) by fldsmtpi03.verizon.com with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2012 12:53:17 +0000 Received: from fhdp1lumxc7v11.us.one.verizon.com ([169.254.1.238]) by FHDP1LUMXC7HB03.us.one.verizon.com ([166.68.59.190]) with mapi; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:53:17 -0500 To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:53:16 -0500 Thread-Topic: Comments solicited on Delay-Loss-Delay Variation Problem Statement & Framework Drafts Thread-Index: Ac2+eS/hPVJyzYz3QeiStqU9sJYECA== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [CCAMP] FW: Comments solicited on Delay-Loss-Delay Variation Problem Statement & Framework Drafts X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 12:53:21 -0000 Received a bounce from ccamp .. resending to ccamp. Dave On 11/8/12 6:20 PM, "Mcdysan, David E" wrote: >Hi, > >As agreed in the mpls meeting today, Lou and Adrian indicated that we >should advance this work in ccamp, but want to cross post comments and >discussion to the mpls list for the following drafts: > >http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-fuxh-mpls-delay-loss-te-problem-statement-0 >1 >.txt > >http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-fuxh-mpls-delay-loss-te-framework-06.txt > >We are soliciting input on at least the following: >* Are other operators interested in this problem? >* Are there additional related problems (e.g., fate sharing, SRLG) that >should be included? >* Specific comments on the structure and content of the problem statement/ >requirements. >* Comments on the structure and content of the framework. >* Are there additional types of approaches not considered in the >framework? > >Please post responses to both the ccamp and mpls lists. > >Thank you, > >Xihua Fu ZTE (Editor) >Dave McDysan Verizon (Editor, Presenter) >Vishwas Manral HP >Andrew Malis Verizon >Spencer Giacalone Thomson Reuters >Malcolm Betts ZTE >Qilei Wang ZTE >John Drake Juniper Networks > > > > > From iesg-secretary@ietf.org Fri Nov 9 06:50:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E1321F86F7; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:50:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.567 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.567 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pKtlYNufn7EW; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 311FF21F8716; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 06:50:37 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.36 Message-ID: <20121109145037.24578.75863.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 06:50:37 -0800 Cc: ccamp mailing list , ccamp chair , RFC Editor Subject: [CCAMP] Protocol Action: 'Traffic Engineering Database Management Information Base in support of MPLS-TE/GMPLS' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-15.txt) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:50:38 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Traffic Engineering Database Management Information Base in support of MPLS-TE/GMPLS' (draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib-15.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adrian Farrel and Stewart Bryant. A URL of this Internet Draft is: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ted-mib/ Technical Summary This memo defines the Management Information Base (MIB) objects in order to manage traffic engineering database (TED) information with extension in support of Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) with traffic engineering (TE) as well as Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) for use with network management protocols. Working Group Summary This document has been in the WG for a very long time, with significant time/delays due to extended review and revision cycles. There were no objections raised to it's publication. Document Quality Implementation status is unknown (as is often the case). The document has been through many review cycles, including review by a MIB Doctor and by the AD. Details are on the WG list. The Working Group last call was copied to the MPLS, OSPF and ISIS working groups. Personnel Lou Berger (lberger@labn.net) is the Document Shepherd. Adrian Farrel (adrian@olddog.co.uk) is the Area Director. From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Nov 12 22:11:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C438321F88D1; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:11:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FWx1NrlkHsx9; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B890921F88CA; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:11:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.36 Message-ID: <20121113061139.32694.40824.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:11:39 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-10.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 06:11:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Framework for GMPLS and PCE Control of G.709 Optical Tra= nsport Networks Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Dan Li Han Li Sergio Belotti Daniele Ceccarelli Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-10.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2012-11-12 Abstract: This document provides a framework to allow the development of protocol extensions to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) and Path Computation Element (PCE) control of Optical Transport Networks (OTN) as specified in ITU-T Recommendation G.709 as published in 2009. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-10 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From zhangfatai@huawei.com Mon Nov 12 22:32:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C4B21F88D1 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:32:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.782 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.782 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.006, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, 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"draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org" References: <50733BED.8090304@labn.net> <5081DCC1.60202@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogIFdHIExhc3QgQ2FsbCBjb21tZW50cyBvbiBk?= =?gb2312?b?cmFmdC1pZXRmLWNjYW1wLWdtcGxzLWc3MDktZnJhbWV3b3JrLTA5?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:56:29 -0000 Fatai, Authors, Thank you for the update. Please see below for specific responses. On 11/13/2012 1:32 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Lou and all, > > A new version has been submitted with the udpates based on the comments from Lou. > > Please see more in-line below marked with [Fatai]. > > > Best Regards > > Fatai > > > -----ʼԭ----- > : ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] Lou Berger > ʱ: 20121020 7:06 > ռ: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org > : [CCAMP] WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 > > Authors, > I have the following LC comments: > > > General comment: > - I have a comment related to the info document, that I'll cover in a > separate mail on the info-model document . > > - I found appendix A to not be very informative and thing there are > better examples in the other documents, suggest either moving one ore > more to this document or drop the appendix. > > [Fatai] The appendix has been dropped, because we think it is better to keep the examples in the other documents. > Okay. You might want to have a reference to examples in other documents where appropriate. > The remaining comments are editorial in nature > > - Please verify that abbreviations are defined before being used . > There are a number of these. > > [Fatai] Checked and updated. great. > > - Please use a consistent decimal representation (sometimes commas are > used other times periods) > > [Fatai] Checked and commas are used. okay. > > - the references [G709-v1] and [G709-v3] each actually refer to multiple > documents, each documented needs to have it's own (correct) reference, > i.g., [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1]. The document text will need to be > revisited to ensure the proper reference is made. > > [Fatai] [G709-V3A2] is introduced and referenced in the right place. It looks like v1 still has this issue. > - > http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09.txt > shows there are unresolved nits that need to resolved . I'm using line > numbers from this url in my subsequent comments. In your next update, please resolve the nits as reported in http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-10.txt The rest looks good. Much thanks, Lou > > - Line 46: How about replace "as consented in October 2009" with "as > published in 2009." > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Line 255: Drop "approved in 2009" the reference is sufficient > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Line 260: suggest the following change: > OLD > 2.5Gb/s 1.25Gb/s Nominal Bit rate > NEW > Time Slot Granularity > 2.5Gb/s 1.25Gb/s Nominal Bit rate > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Lines 272-274: Please add the appropriate reference to G.709 section > or table that points to where one finds the information on determining > actual bit rate. > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Line 307: suggest changing "into the OTUk" --> "into a specific OTUk" > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Line 340/1: need a reference to where this is defined. > > [Fatai] Accepted and added. > > - Line 346-347: Need a reference to where this behavior is defined. > > [Fatai] Accepted and added. > > - Lines 387/388. Isn't this sentence OBE and should be dropped? > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Page 11, RWA is used in a few places on this page as is OCh layer, > suggest replacing all instances of RWA with OCH or "OCh layer". > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Line 500: what do you mean by "including OCh layer visibility."? this > isn't really reflected in the solutions documents (other than as MLN). > > [Fatai] Deleted to avoid ambiguity. > > - Line 589: replace "New label" with "A new label format" > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Line 636: replace "some" with "sufficient" > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Lines 639-641: drop lines (seems redundant with following paragraph) > > [Fatai] Accepted and dropped. > > - Line 686: your usage of "just" is a bit odd, how about replace "be > just switched" with "restricted to switching" > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Line 688: similarly how about replace "just terminated" to "restricted > to termination" > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - lines 714-719, probably should have a reference to [rfc4201] > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Line 879: Replace "contrary" with "opposite" or "reverse" > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Line 888. I suggest adding "Although, this is not greater than the > risks presented by the existing OTN control plane as defined by > [RFC4203] and [RFC4328]." > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Lines 888-890, I suggest dropping the sentence starting with "The data > plane technology..." for multiple reasons, not least of which is that > the ITU-T owns the data plane so the comment is completely out of scope. > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > - Lines 1081/2: The whole document is non-normative, so just drop this > sentence. > > [Fatai] Accepted. > > That's it on this document. > > Lou > > On 10/8/2012 4:47 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >> This mail begins a two week working group last call on: >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 >> (Informational) >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-04 >> (Informational) >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-03 >> (Standards Track) >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-04 >> (Standards Track) >> >> This working group last call ends on October 22. Comments should be >> sent to the CCAMP mailing list. Please remember to include the >> technical basis for any comments. >> >> Please note that we're still missing a few IPR statements, and look >> for these to come in during the LC period. Any forthcoming publication >> request will be delayed by late IPR statements/disclosures. >> >> Thank you, >> Lou (and Deborah) >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > From zhangfatai@huawei.com Tue Nov 13 17:27:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3515A21F85B0 for ; Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:27:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.926 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.926 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.862, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, 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Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogIFdHIExhc3QgQ2FsbCBjb21tZW50?= =?gb2312?b?cyBvbiBkcmFmdC1pZXRmLWNjYW1wLWdtcGxzLWc3MDktZnJhbWV3b3JrLTA5?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:48:18 -0000 On 11/13/2012 8:24 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Regarding [G709-v1] reference, there is only general reference to [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1], ie., no specific text is referenced from some specific place of these two documents, so we reused the same approach used by [RFC4328], otherwise, [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1] should be used together to replace the alone [G709-v1] (because it is really difficult to differentiate either [G709-v1] or [G709-v1a1] should be referenced). > > Here is the referenced used by [RFC4328]: > [ITUT-G709] ITU-T, "Interface for the Optical Transport Network (OTN)," G.709 Recommendation (and Amendment 1), February 2001 (October 2001). > > Is that acceptable for you? > I don't understand how one reference can be used for two documents. I suspect this slipped by the RFC editor. I think it makes most sense to have one reference per document. > In addition, the nits will be resolved in the next update. Thanks. Lou > > > > > Best Regards > > Fatai > > > -----ʼԭ----- > : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > ʱ: 20121113 21:56 > ռ: Fatai Zhang; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org > : CCAMP > : Re: : [CCAMP] WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 > > Fatai, Authors, > Thank you for the update. Please see below for specific responses. > > On 11/13/2012 1:32 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >> Hi Lou and all, >> >> A new version has been submitted with the udpates based on the comments from Lou. >> >> Please see more in-line below marked with [Fatai]. >> >> >> Best Regards >> >> Fatai >> >> >> -----ʼԭ----- >> : ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] Lou Berger >> ʱ: 20121020 7:06 >> ռ: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org >> : [CCAMP] WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 >> >> Authors, >> I have the following LC comments: >> >> >> General comment: >> - I have a comment related to the info document, that I'll cover in a >> separate mail on the info-model document . >> >> - I found appendix A to not be very informative and thing there are >> better examples in the other documents, suggest either moving one ore >> more to this document or drop the appendix. >> >> [Fatai] The appendix has been dropped, because we think it is better to keep the examples in the other documents. >> > > Okay. You might want to have a reference to examples in other documents > where appropriate. > >> The remaining comments are editorial in nature >> >> - Please verify that abbreviations are defined before being used . >> There are a number of these. >> >> [Fatai] Checked and updated. > > great. > >> >> - Please use a consistent decimal representation (sometimes commas are >> used other times periods) >> >> [Fatai] Checked and commas are used. > > okay. > >> >> - the references [G709-v1] and [G709-v3] each actually refer to multiple >> documents, each documented needs to have it's own (correct) reference, >> i.g., [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1]. The document text will need to be >> revisited to ensure the proper reference is made. >> >> [Fatai] [G709-V3A2] is introduced and referenced in the right place. > > It looks like v1 still has this issue. > >> - >> http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09.txt >> shows there are unresolved nits that need to resolved . I'm using line >> numbers from this url in my subsequent comments. > > In your next update, please resolve the nits as reported in > http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-10.txt > > The rest looks good. > > Much thanks, > Lou > >> >> - Line 46: How about replace "as consented in October 2009" with "as >> published in 2009." >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 255: Drop "approved in 2009" the reference is sufficient >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 260: suggest the following change: >> OLD >> 2.5Gb/s 1.25Gb/s Nominal Bit rate >> NEW >> Time Slot Granularity >> 2.5Gb/s 1.25Gb/s Nominal Bit rate >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Lines 272-274: Please add the appropriate reference to G.709 section >> or table that points to where one finds the information on determining >> actual bit rate. >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 307: suggest changing "into the OTUk" --> "into a specific OTUk" >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 340/1: need a reference to where this is defined. >> >> [Fatai] Accepted and added. >> >> - Line 346-347: Need a reference to where this behavior is defined. >> >> [Fatai] Accepted and added. >> >> - Lines 387/388. Isn't this sentence OBE and should be dropped? >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Page 11, RWA is used in a few places on this page as is OCh layer, >> suggest replacing all instances of RWA with OCH or "OCh layer". >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 500: what do you mean by "including OCh layer visibility."? this >> isn't really reflected in the solutions documents (other than as MLN). >> >> [Fatai] Deleted to avoid ambiguity. >> >> - Line 589: replace "New label" with "A new label format" >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 636: replace "some" with "sufficient" >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Lines 639-641: drop lines (seems redundant with following paragraph) >> >> [Fatai] Accepted and dropped. >> >> - Line 686: your usage of "just" is a bit odd, how about replace "be >> just switched" with "restricted to switching" >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 688: similarly how about replace "just terminated" to "restricted >> to termination" >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - lines 714-719, probably should have a reference to [rfc4201] >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 879: Replace "contrary" with "opposite" or "reverse" >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Line 888. I suggest adding "Although, this is not greater than the >> risks presented by the existing OTN control plane as defined by >> [RFC4203] and [RFC4328]." >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Lines 888-890, I suggest dropping the sentence starting with "The data >> plane technology..." for multiple reasons, not least of which is that >> the ITU-T owns the data plane so the comment is completely out of scope. >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> - Lines 1081/2: The whole document is non-normative, so just drop this >> sentence. >> >> [Fatai] Accepted. >> >> That's it on this document. >> >> Lou >> >> On 10/8/2012 4:47 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >>> This mail begins a two week working group last call on: >>> >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 >>> (Informational) >>> >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-04 >>> (Informational) >>> >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-03 >>> (Standards Track) >>> >>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-04 >>> (Standards Track) >>> >>> This working group last call ends on October 22. 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[77.250.51.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b44sm32216321eep.12.2012.11.14.14.14.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:14:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50A417D7.3000808@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:14:47 +0100 From: Huub van Helvoort User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP References: <50A368EC.3050508@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <50A368EC.3050508@gmail.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <50A368EC.3050508@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?RndkOiBSZTogILTwuLQ6ILTwuLQ6ICBXRyBMYXN0IENh?= =?gb2312?b?bGwgY29tbWVudHMgb24gZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi1jY2FtcC1nbXBscy1nNzA5LWZy?= =?gb2312?b?YW1ld29yay0wOQ==?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: huubatwork@gmail.com List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:14:51 -0000 Somehow this email did not appear in the CCAMP list. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [CCAMP] : : WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:48:28 +0100 From: Huub van Helvoort Reply-To: huubatwork@gmail.com To: Fatai Zhang CC: Lou Berger , "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org" , CCAMP Hello Fatai, (only focusing on the reference) You wrote: > Regarding [G709-v1] reference, there is only general reference to > [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1], ie., no specific text is referenced from > some specific place of these two documents, so we reused the > same approach used by [RFC4328], otherwise, [G709-v1] and > [G709-v1a1] should be used together to replace the alone > [G709-v1] (because it is really difficult to differentiate either > [G709-v1] or [G709-v1a1] should be referenced). > > Here is the referenced used by [RFC4328]: > [ITUT-G709] ITU-T, "Interface for the Optical Transport Network > (OTN)," G.709 Recommendation (and Amendment 1), February > 2001 (October 2001). Please note that the current in-force version of G.709 is from February 2012, it includes all previous amendments, no need to reference them separately. Also G.709 has an additional Y.1331 number, so the reference can be: [ITUT-G709] ITU-T, "Interface for the Optical Transport Network (OTN)," G.709/Y.1331 Recommendation, February 2012. Regards, Huub. 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{1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogILTwuLQ6ILTwuLQ6ICBXRyBMYXN0IENhbGwg?= =?gb2312?b?Y29tbWVudHMgb24gZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi1jY2FtcC1nbXBscy1nNzA5LWZyYW1l?= =?gb2312?b?d29yay0wOQ==?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:24:04 -0000 On 11/14/2012 8:59 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Chairs, > > Thanks for your comments and suggestions. > > A couple of things that I want to clarify on the reference: > > (1)The "new" G.709: The latest version of G.709 in force is V4, so we > need to reflect the newest one for the new features of OTN as what > Deborah and Huub suggested, ie., we need to use [G709-V4] to replace how about [G709-2012] (per Deborah)? > [G709-V3] and [G709-V3A2]. In this way, the file name of solution > drafts (draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3, > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3) should be changed (ie., remove v3 > in the file name). > > Is that OK? NO. Please don't try to change the file name(s). It's just a file name and changing it will complicate the process. > (2) The "old" G.709: We need to reference the "old" G.709 when we > talk about the history of G.709 including data plane and control > plane. For the ITU-T recommendations (data plane), there are a couple > of versions (including V1=G.709/Y.1331 (02/2001), V1.1= G.709/Y.1331 > (2001) Amd. 1 (11/2001), V2=G.709/Y.1331 (03/2003) ) before RFC4328 > published in 2006. Actually, I think RFC4328 should reference V2, but > it referenced V1 and V1.1 (v1amd1). So when we talked about the > control plane history, RFC4328 only supports V1 and V1.1 (RFC4328 may > not support something of V2). Note that an amd means amendment (delta > info) and it is not a complete version of a recommendation. > > This is the reason that we reused the same approach as RFC4328. Does this make sense? > I'm not sure what your question is here, but please follow Deborah's advice with respect to the old versions. Lou > > > > Best Regards > > Fatai > > > -----ʼԭ----- > : BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A [mailto:db3546@att.COM] > ʱ: 20121114 22:55 > ռ: Lou Berger; Fatai Zhang > : CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org > : RE: [CCAMP] : : WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 > > Hi, > > For RFC4328, both the Recommendation and Amendment were the current references at the time. It is questionable if should do as one reference or two, but it doesn't matter, as now these have all been superseded (incorporated in) by the latest G.709 dated 02/2012. We should use that (only) as reference. Similar for G.798, we should only use the latest pub. For ITU, one only needs to reference the latest pub. > > Thanks, > Deborah > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:48 AM > To: Fatai Zhang > Cc: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] : : WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 > > > > On 11/13/2012 8:24 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >> Hi Lou, >> >> Regarding [G709-v1] reference, there is only general reference to [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1], ie., no specific text is referenced from some specific place of these two documents, so we reused the same approach used by [RFC4328], otherwise, [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1] should be used together to replace the alone [G709-v1] (because it is really difficult to differentiate either [G709-v1] or [G709-v1a1] should be referenced). >> >> Here is the referenced used by [RFC4328]: >> [ITUT-G709] ITU-T, "Interface for the Optical Transport Network (OTN)," G.709 Recommendation (and Amendment 1), February 2001 (October 2001). >> >> Is that acceptable for you? >> > > I don't understand how one reference can be used for two documents. I > suspect this slipped by the RFC editor. I think it makes most sense to > have one reference per document. > >> In addition, the nits will be resolved in the next update. > > Thanks. > > Lou > >> >> >> >> >> Best Regards >> >> Fatai >> >> >> -----ʼԭ----- >> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> ʱ: 20121113 21:56 >> ռ: Fatai Zhang; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org >> : CCAMP >> : Re: : [CCAMP] WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 >> >> Fatai, Authors, >> Thank you for the update. Please see below for specific responses. >> >> On 11/13/2012 1:32 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>> Hi Lou and all, >>> >>> A new version has been submitted with the udpates based on the comments from Lou. >>> >>> Please see more in-line below marked with [Fatai]. >>> >>> >>> Best Regards >>> >>> Fatai >>> >>> >>> -----ʼԭ----- >>> : ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] Lou Berger >>> ʱ: 20121020 7:06 >>> ռ: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org >>> : [CCAMP] WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 >>> >>> Authors, >>> I have the following LC comments: >>> >>> >>> General comment: >>> - I have a comment related to the info document, that I'll cover in a >>> separate mail on the info-model document . >>> >>> - I found appendix A to not be very informative and thing there are >>> better examples in the other documents, suggest either moving one ore >>> more to this document or drop the appendix. >>> >>> [Fatai] The appendix has been dropped, because we think it is better to keep the examples in the other documents. >>> >> >> Okay. You might want to have a reference to examples in other documents >> where appropriate. >> >>> The remaining comments are editorial in nature >>> >>> - Please verify that abbreviations are defined before being used . >>> There are a number of these. >>> >>> [Fatai] Checked and updated. >> >> great. >> >>> >>> - Please use a consistent decimal representation (sometimes commas are >>> used other times periods) >>> >>> [Fatai] Checked and commas are used. >> >> okay. >> >>> >>> - the references [G709-v1] and [G709-v3] each actually refer to multiple >>> documents, each documented needs to have it's own (correct) reference, >>> i.g., [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1]. The document text will need to be >>> revisited to ensure the proper reference is made. >>> >>> [Fatai] [G709-V3A2] is introduced and referenced in the right place. >> >> It looks like v1 still has this issue. >> >>> - >>> http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09.txt >>> shows there are unresolved nits that need to resolved . I'm using line >>> numbers from this url in my subsequent comments. >> >> In your next update, please resolve the nits as reported in >> http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-10.txt >> >> The rest looks good. >> >> Much thanks, >> Lou >> >>> >>> - Line 46: How about replace "as consented in October 2009" with "as >>> published in 2009." >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Line 255: Drop "approved in 2009" the reference is sufficient >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Line 260: suggest the following change: >>> OLD >>> 2.5Gb/s 1.25Gb/s Nominal Bit rate >>> NEW >>> Time Slot Granularity >>> 2.5Gb/s 1.25Gb/s Nominal Bit rate >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Lines 272-274: Please add the appropriate reference to G.709 section >>> or table that points to where one finds the information on determining >>> actual bit rate. >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Line 307: suggest changing "into the OTUk" --> "into a specific OTUk" >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Line 340/1: need a reference to where this is defined. >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted and added. >>> >>> - Line 346-347: Need a reference to where this behavior is defined. >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted and added. >>> >>> - Lines 387/388. Isn't this sentence OBE and should be dropped? >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Page 11, RWA is used in a few places on this page as is OCh layer, >>> suggest replacing all instances of RWA with OCH or "OCh layer". >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Line 500: what do you mean by "including OCh layer visibility."? this >>> isn't really reflected in the solutions documents (other than as MLN). >>> >>> [Fatai] Deleted to avoid ambiguity. >>> >>> - Line 589: replace "New label" with "A new label format" >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Line 636: replace "some" with "sufficient" >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Lines 639-641: drop lines (seems redundant with following paragraph) >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted and dropped. >>> >>> - Line 686: your usage of "just" is a bit odd, how about replace "be >>> just switched" with "restricted to switching" >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Line 688: similarly how about replace "just terminated" to "restricted >>> to termination" >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - lines 714-719, probably should have a reference to [rfc4201] >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Line 879: Replace "contrary" with "opposite" or "reverse" >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Line 888. I suggest adding "Although, this is not greater than the >>> risks presented by the existing OTN control plane as defined by >>> [RFC4203] and [RFC4328]." >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Lines 888-890, I suggest dropping the sentence starting with "The data >>> plane technology..." for multiple reasons, not least of which is that >>> the ITU-T owns the data plane so the comment is completely out of scope. >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> - Lines 1081/2: The whole document is non-normative, so just drop this >>> sentence. >>> >>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>> >>> That's it on this document. >>> >>> Lou >>> >>> On 10/8/2012 4:47 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >>>> This mail begins a two week working group last call on: >>>> >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 >>>> (Informational) >>>> >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-04 >>>> (Informational) >>>> >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-03 >>>> (Standards Track) >>>> >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-04 >>>> (Standards Track) >>>> >>>> This working group last call ends on October 22. Comments should be >>>> sent to the CCAMP mailing list. Please remember to include the >>>> technical basis for any comments. >>>> >>>> Please note that we're still missing a few IPR statements, and look >>>> for these to come in during the LC period. 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{1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogtPC4tDogILTwuLQ6ILTwuLQ6ICBXRyBMYXN0?= =?gb2312?b?IENhbGwgY29tbWVudHMgb24gZHJhZnQtaWV0Zi1jY2FtcC1nbXBscy1nNzA5?= =?gb2312?b?LWZyYW1ld29yay0wOQ==?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:08:00 -0000 On 11/14/2012 9:49 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Lou, > > OK to use [G709-2012] and keep the file names. > > By following Deborah's, my understanding is to use the same approach > as RFC4328 to reference the "old" G.709, am I right? By "following Deborah's advice" I mean look at the mail she sent to the authors and use her suggested approach. Her mail said: To make it simple, we can avoid the v1 vs. v3 by only referencing RFC4328 and so avoid referencing a reference of a reference - RFC4328's reference of G709- in our document. And then continued with some suggested language. So no, do not reference [G709-V1]. Lou > > > Best Regards > > Fatai > > > -----ʼԭ----- > : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > ʱ: 20121115 10:24 > ռ: Fatai Zhang > : BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A; CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org > : Re: : [CCAMP] : : WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 > > > > On 11/14/2012 8:59 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >> Hi Chairs, >> >> Thanks for your comments and suggestions. >> >> A couple of things that I want to clarify on the reference: >> >> (1)The "new" G.709: The latest version of G.709 in force is V4, so we >> need to reflect the newest one for the new features of OTN as what >> Deborah and Huub suggested, ie., we need to use [G709-V4] to replace > > how about [G709-2012] (per Deborah)? > >> [G709-V3] and [G709-V3A2]. In this way, the file name of solution >> drafts (draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3, >> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3) should be changed (ie., remove v3 >> in the file name). >> >> Is that OK? > > NO. Please don't try to change the file name(s). It's just a file name > and changing it will complicate the process. > > >> (2) The "old" G.709: We need to reference the "old" G.709 when we >> talk about the history of G.709 including data plane and control >> plane. For the ITU-T recommendations (data plane), there are a couple >> of versions (including V1=G.709/Y.1331 (02/2001), V1.1= G.709/Y.1331 >> (2001) Amd. 1 (11/2001), V2=G.709/Y.1331 (03/2003) ) before RFC4328 >> published in 2006. Actually, I think RFC4328 should reference V2, but >> it referenced V1 and V1.1 (v1amd1). So when we talked about the >> control plane history, RFC4328 only supports V1 and V1.1 (RFC4328 may >> not support something of V2). Note that an amd means amendment (delta >> info) and it is not a complete version of a recommendation. >> > >> This is the reason that we reused the same approach as RFC4328. Does this make sense? >> > > I'm not sure what your question is here, but please follow Deborah's > advice with respect to the old versions. > > Lou >> >> >> >> Best Regards >> >> Fatai >> >> >> -----ʼԭ----- >> : BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A [mailto:db3546@att.COM] >> ʱ: 20121114 22:55 >> ռ: Lou Berger; Fatai Zhang >> : CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org >> : RE: [CCAMP] : : WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 >> >> Hi, >> >> For RFC4328, both the Recommendation and Amendment were the current references at the time. It is questionable if should do as one reference or two, but it doesn't matter, as now these have all been superseded (incorporated in) by the latest G.709 dated 02/2012. We should use that (only) as reference. Similar for G.798, we should only use the latest pub. For ITU, one only needs to reference the latest pub. >> >> Thanks, >> Deborah >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger >> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:48 AM >> To: Fatai Zhang >> Cc: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] : : WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 >> >> >> >> On 11/13/2012 8:24 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>> Hi Lou, >>> >>> Regarding [G709-v1] reference, there is only general reference to [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1], ie., no specific text is referenced from some specific place of these two documents, so we reused the same approach used by [RFC4328], otherwise, [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1] should be used together to replace the alone [G709-v1] (because it is really difficult to differentiate either [G709-v1] or [G709-v1a1] should be referenced). >>> >>> Here is the referenced used by [RFC4328]: >>> [ITUT-G709] ITU-T, "Interface for the Optical Transport Network (OTN)," G.709 Recommendation (and Amendment 1), February 2001 (October 2001). >>> >>> Is that acceptable for you? >>> >> >> I don't understand how one reference can be used for two documents. I >> suspect this slipped by the RFC editor. I think it makes most sense to >> have one reference per document. >> >>> In addition, the nits will be resolved in the next update. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Lou >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Regards >>> >>> Fatai >>> >>> >>> -----ʼԭ----- >>> : Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> ʱ: 20121113 21:56 >>> ռ: Fatai Zhang; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org >>> : CCAMP >>> : Re: : [CCAMP] WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 >>> >>> Fatai, Authors, >>> Thank you for the update. Please see below for specific responses. >>> >>> On 11/13/2012 1:32 AM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>>> Hi Lou and all, >>>> >>>> A new version has been submitted with the udpates based on the comments from Lou. >>>> >>>> Please see more in-line below marked with [Fatai]. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best Regards >>>> >>>> Fatai >>>> >>>> >>>> -----ʼԭ----- >>>> : ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] Lou Berger >>>> ʱ: 20121020 7:06 >>>> ռ: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org >>>> : [CCAMP] WG Last Call comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 >>>> >>>> Authors, >>>> I have the following LC comments: >>>> >>>> >>>> General comment: >>>> - I have a comment related to the info document, that I'll cover in a >>>> separate mail on the info-model document . >>>> >>>> - I found appendix A to not be very informative and thing there are >>>> better examples in the other documents, suggest either moving one ore >>>> more to this document or drop the appendix. >>>> >>>> [Fatai] The appendix has been dropped, because we think it is better to keep the examples in the other documents. >>>> >>> >>> Okay. You might want to have a reference to examples in other documents >>> where appropriate. >>> >>>> The remaining comments are editorial in nature >>>> >>>> - Please verify that abbreviations are defined before being used . >>>> There are a number of these. >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Checked and updated. >>> >>> great. >>> >>>> >>>> - Please use a consistent decimal representation (sometimes commas are >>>> used other times periods) >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Checked and commas are used. >>> >>> okay. >>> >>>> >>>> - the references [G709-v1] and [G709-v3] each actually refer to multiple >>>> documents, each documented needs to have it's own (correct) reference, >>>> i.g., [G709-v1] and [G709-v1a1]. The document text will need to be >>>> revisited to ensure the proper reference is made. >>>> >>>> [Fatai] [G709-V3A2] is introduced and referenced in the right place. >>> >>> It looks like v1 still has this issue. >>> >>>> - >>>> http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09.txt >>>> shows there are unresolved nits that need to resolved . I'm using line >>>> numbers from this url in my subsequent comments. >>> >>> In your next update, please resolve the nits as reported in >>> http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-10.txt >>> >>> The rest looks good. >>> >>> Much thanks, >>> Lou >>> >>>> >>>> - Line 46: How about replace "as consented in October 2009" with "as >>>> published in 2009." >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Line 255: Drop "approved in 2009" the reference is sufficient >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Line 260: suggest the following change: >>>> OLD >>>> 2.5Gb/s 1.25Gb/s Nominal Bit rate >>>> NEW >>>> Time Slot Granularity >>>> 2.5Gb/s 1.25Gb/s Nominal Bit rate >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Lines 272-274: Please add the appropriate reference to G.709 section >>>> or table that points to where one finds the information on determining >>>> actual bit rate. >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Line 307: suggest changing "into the OTUk" --> "into a specific OTUk" >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Line 340/1: need a reference to where this is defined. >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted and added. >>>> >>>> - Line 346-347: Need a reference to where this behavior is defined. >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted and added. >>>> >>>> - Lines 387/388. Isn't this sentence OBE and should be dropped? >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Page 11, RWA is used in a few places on this page as is OCh layer, >>>> suggest replacing all instances of RWA with OCH or "OCh layer". >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Line 500: what do you mean by "including OCh layer visibility."? this >>>> isn't really reflected in the solutions documents (other than as MLN). >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Deleted to avoid ambiguity. >>>> >>>> - Line 589: replace "New label" with "A new label format" >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Line 636: replace "some" with "sufficient" >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Lines 639-641: drop lines (seems redundant with following paragraph) >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted and dropped. >>>> >>>> - Line 686: your usage of "just" is a bit odd, how about replace "be >>>> just switched" with "restricted to switching" >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Line 688: similarly how about replace "just terminated" to "restricted >>>> to termination" >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - lines 714-719, probably should have a reference to [rfc4201] >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Line 879: Replace "contrary" with "opposite" or "reverse" >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Line 888. I suggest adding "Although, this is not greater than the >>>> risks presented by the existing OTN control plane as defined by >>>> [RFC4203] and [RFC4328]." >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Lines 888-890, I suggest dropping the sentence starting with "The data >>>> plane technology..." for multiple reasons, not least of which is that >>>> the ITU-T owns the data plane so the comment is completely out of scope. >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> - Lines 1081/2: The whole document is non-normative, so just drop this >>>> sentence. >>>> >>>> [Fatai] Accepted. >>>> >>>> That's it on this document. >>>> >>>> Lou >>>> >>>> On 10/8/2012 4:47 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >>>>> This mail begins a two week working group last call on: >>>>> >>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-09 >>>>> (Informational) >>>>> >>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-04 >>>>> (Informational) >>>>> >>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-03 >>>>> (Standards Track) >>>>> >>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-04 >>>>> (Standards Track) >>>>> >>>>> This working group last call ends on October 22. Comments should be >>>>> sent to the CCAMP mailing list. Please remember to include the >>>>> technical basis for any comments. >>>>> >>>>> Please note that we're still missing a few IPR statements, and look >>>>> for these to come in during the LC period. 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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 17:15:40 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC6107, "Procedures for Dynamically Signaled Hierarchical Label Switched Paths". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=6107&eid=3412 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: Kris Michielsen Section: 3.1.2 Original Text ------------- Type (16 bits) The identifier of the TLV. Two type values are defined in this document: 1 IGP Instance Identifier TLV 2 Unnumbered Component Link Identifier TLV 3 IPv4 Numbered Component Link Identifier TLV 4 IPv6 Numbered Component Link Identifier TLV Corrected Text -------------- Type (16 bits) The identifier of the TLV. Four type values are defined in this document: 1 IGP Instance Identifier TLV 2 Unnumbered Component Link Identifier TLV 3 IPv4 Numbered Component Link Identifier TLV 4 IPv6 Numbered Component Link Identifier TLV Notes ----- s/Two/Four/ Instructions: ------------- This errata is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC6107 (draft-ietf-ccamp-lsp-hierarchy-bis-08) -------------------------------------- Title : Procedures for Dynamically Signaled Hierarchical Label Switched Paths Publication Date : February 2011 Author(s) : K. Shiomoto, Ed., A. Farrel, Ed. Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Common Control and Measurement Plane Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From internet-drafts@ietf.org Mon Nov 19 19:07:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A4821F87E3; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:07:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.471 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.471 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.128, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kDiL3OkPX3hT; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:07:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1265D21F86F4; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:07:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.36 Message-ID: <20121120030709.26436.19027.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:07:09 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 03:07:09 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Framework for GMPLS and PCE Control of G.709 Optical Tra= nsport Networks Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Dan Li Han Li Sergio Belotti Daniele Ceccarelli Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2012-11-19 Abstract: This document provides a framework to allow the development of protocol extensions to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) and Path Computation Element (PCE) control of Optical Transport Networks (OTN) as specified in ITU-T Recommendation G.709 as published in 2012. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From zhangfatai@huawei.com Mon Nov 19 19:10:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E590821E8051 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:10:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.074 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.074 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=4.073, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_UTF8=0.152] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sGLy95XRUjfK for ; 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Tue, 20 Nov 2012 02:38:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.94.106 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 02:38:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6386D6323049044BA592CB99AB04BACB3F9229BD@SV-EXDB-PROD2.infinera.com> References: <5065B232.1020908@labn.net> <508819EA.3010401@labn.net> <6386D6323049044BA592CB99AB04BACB3F9229BD@SV-EXDB-PROD2.infinera.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:38:31 +0100 Message-ID: From: Marco Corsi To: Lou Berger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b676b3ed3619b04ceead591 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:38:33 -0000 --047d7b676b3ed3619b04ceead591 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. BR 2012/11/5 Snigdho Bardalai > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Snigdho Bardalai > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:18 AM > > To: 'Lou Berger'; francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com; > > corsi.marco@gmail.com; eve.varma@alcatel-lucent.com; > > jonathan.sadler@tellabs.com; lyong@ciena.com; Ashok Kunjidhapatham; > > Steve.Balls@metaswitch.com; Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com; > > fu.xihua@zte.com.cn; cyril.margaria@nsn.com; Malcolm.betts@zte.com.cn > > Cc: CCAMP > > Subject: RE: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf- > > g709v3 > > > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:40 AM > > > To: francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com; corsi.marco@gmail.com; > > > eve.varma@alcatel-lucent.com; jonathan.sadler@tellabs.com; > > > lyong@ciena.com; Ashok Kunjidhapatham; Snigdho Bardalai; > > > Steve.Balls@metaswitch.com; Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com; > > > fu.xihua@zte.com.cn; cyril.margaria@nsn.com; Malcolm.betts@zte.com.cn > > > Cc: CCAMP > > > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf- > > > g709v3 > > > > > > Hello, > > > If you are listed on the to line you are listed in the above > > draft as > > > an Author or Contributor and I believe have not responded to the > > > message included below. > > > > > > Can you please respond to this message (and leave CCAMP cc'ed). And > > > state either: > > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > > > or > > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > > > If you answer yes, please also state: > > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > > > or > > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > > > > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > > > appropriate. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Lou > > > > > > On 9/28/2012 10:20 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > > > > - > > > - > > > > --- > > > > CCAMP: Please note there are IPR disclosures: > > > > > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=document_search&docume > > > > nt_search=draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > > > > - > > > - > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) > > > > > > > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call: > > > > > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to > > > > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3? > > > > > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR > > rules > > > > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > > > > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer > > > > the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not > > > you > > > > are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to > > > > the next stage until a response has been received from each author > > > > and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN > > > > THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > > > > > > > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an > > > > author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the > > > > IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > > > > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > > > > participating > > > in > > > > any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. > > For > > > > more information, please see the RFCs listed above and > > > > > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > CCAMP WG Chairs > > > > > > > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > > > > response. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > CCAMP mailing list > > > > CCAMP@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --047d7b676b3ed3619b04ceead591 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I am not aware of any=A0IPR=A0that applies to = this=A0draft= .=A0
BR


2= 012/11/5 Snigdho Bardalai <SBardalai@infinera.com>
"Yes, the IPR = has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Snigdho Bardalai
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:18 AM
> To: 'Lou Berger'; francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com;
> corsi.marco@gmail.com; eve.varma@alcatel-lucent.com<= /a>;
> jonathan.sadler@tellabs= .com; lyong@ciena.com; Ashok Kun= jidhapatham;
> Steve.Balls@metaswitch.com; Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com;
> fu.xihua@zte.com.cn; cyril.margaria@nsn.com; Malcolm.betts@zte.com.cn
> Cc: CCAMP
> Subject: RE: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on d= raft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-
> g709v3
>
> "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that ap= plies to this draft"
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lber= ger@labn.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:40 AM
> > To: francesco.= fondelli@ericsson.com; corsi.m= arco@gmail.com;
> > eve.varma@alcatel= -lucent.com; jonathan.sa= dler@tellabs.com;
> > lyong@ciena.com; Ashok Kun= jidhapatham; Snigdho Bardalai;
> > Steve.Balls@metaswi= tch.com; Jonathan.H= ardwick@metaswitch.com;
> > fu.xihua@zte.com.cn; <= a href=3D"mailto:cyril.margaria@nsn.com">cyril.margaria@nsn.com; Malcolm.betts@zte.com.cn
> > Cc: CCAMP
> > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf= -
> > g709v3
> >
> > Hello,
> > =A0 =A0 If you are listed on the to line you are listed in the ab= ove
> draft as
> > an Author or Contributor and I believe have not responded to the<= br> > > message included below.
> >
> > Can you please respond to this message (and leave CCAMP cc'ed= ). And
> > state either:
> > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft= "
> > or
> > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"<= br> > >
> > If you answer yes, please also state:
> > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR= rules"
> > or
> > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed"
> >
> > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think=
> > appropriate.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Lou
> >
> > On 9/28/2012 10:20 AM, Lou Berger wrote:
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------= -------
> -
> > > -
> > -
> > > ---
> > > CCAMP: Please note there are IPR disclosures:
> > >
> >
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/searc= h/?option=3Ddocument_search&docume
> > > nt_search=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------= -------
> -
> > > -
> > -
> > > ---
> > >
> > > Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP)
> > >
> > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call:
> > >
> > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to
> > > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3?
> > >
> > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF I= PR
> rules
> > > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?
> > >
> > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please= answer
> > > the above by responding to this email regardless of whether = or not
> > you
> > > are aware of any relevant IPR. =A0This document will not adv= ance to
> > > the next stage until a response has been received from each = author
> > > and listed contributor. =A0NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU = LISTED IN
> > > THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.
> > >
> > > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as = an
> > > author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations und= er the
> > > IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if yo= u are
> > > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrai= n from
> > > participating
> > in
> > > any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed I= PR.
> For
> > > more information, please see the RFCs listed above and
> > >
> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wik= i/IntellectualProperty.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > CCAMP WG Chairs
> > >
> > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message = in your
> > > response.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > CCAMP mailing list
> > > CCAMP@ietf.org
> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp
> > >
> > >
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d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=o8ab8Whewj+wRkg+Ax5ausYk3fVU3lnCaZNNmoqlYkc=; b=RCZD6ijVC3ZewokZqohGggmq/D3G5mDg6tuv3iCjeTn2sXhHBjJFlyZMbv12i6LZLriirN4UuJJtB1g1gROabRi40qc1ui5HY+GIMnO6OH2gkyCAhpZwRuC5L91f7Ihf; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:45383 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TcxGY-0000eP-Mj; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:54:22 -0700 Message-ID: <50B3586E.30301@labn.net> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 06:54:22 -0500 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fatai Zhang References: <20121120030709.26436.8708.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP , "sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.it" , "lihan@chinamobile.com" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBOZXcgVmVyc2lvbiBOb3RpZmljYXRpb24g?= =?utf-8?q?for_draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11=2Etxt?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:54:45 -0000 Fatai, Authors, I think this version resolves the comments made on the document. Can anyone comment on when the other 709 documents might be updated? Thanks, Lou On 11/19/2012 10:10 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Chairs and all, > > A new version has been uploaded. > > Reference and nits have been resolved. > > > > Best Regards > > Fatai > > > -----邮件原件----- > 发件人: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > 发送时间: 2012年11月20日 11:07 > 收件人: Fatai Zhang > 抄送: lihan@chinamobile.com; Lidan; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.it > 主题: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11.txt > has been successfully submitted by Fatai Zhang and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Filename: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework > Revision: 11 > Title: Framework for GMPLS and PCE Control of G.709 Optical Transport Networks > Creation date: 2012-11-19 > WG ID: ccamp > Number of pages: 26 > URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11.txt > Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11 > Diff: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11 > > Abstract: > This document provides a framework to allow the development of > protocol extensions to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label > Switching (GMPLS) and Path Computation Element (PCE) control of > Optical Transport Networks (OTN) as specified in ITU-T Recommendation > G.709 as published in 2012. > > > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Mon Nov 26 05:52:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B74B21F8594 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 05:52:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.138 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, 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acreoexc01.ad.acreo.se ([10.4.148.12]) with mapi; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:24:10 +0100 From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Pontus_Sk=F6ldstr=F6m?= To: Lou Berger , "draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:24:09 +0100 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Resolutions of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext Thread-Index: Ac24d95sA6r4fCQETRKBjsGNOaM0kATb8h1H Message-ID: <5F606CA13780E9419D0CFFE732DDACE12D0A8868C3@acreoexc01.ad.acreo.se> References: <5092E96E.7040607@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <5092E96E.7040607@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Zscaler: score=0 iprep=0 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Resolutions of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:24:18 -0000 Hi everyone,=20 I've resolved all the comments except one, and would like to ask if anyone = has some good advice regarding that one.=20 The problem was pointed out by Fei Zhang in http://www.ietf.org/mail-archiv= e/web/ccamp/current/msg13559.html "Line 368, As discussed in the mailinglist when polling the draft=20 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext= -tunnel-num-03, the tunnel number assigned by the egress=20 LER should be carried back. This issue can be addressed here or = in that or other document, but I am afraid the current description=20 needs to be changed. " The problem is that both MEPs needs to know what values in the MEP-ID field= of the encapsulated BFD control packet they should expect from the other e= ndpoint, so the full MEP-ID of the other side of the connection is needed.= =20 As far as I can see there are two options: 1. Extend the current "Local discriminator" TLV (http://tools.ietf.org/html= /draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-10#section-3.3.1) to include the = full MEP-ID.=20 The Path message carries the ingress MEP-ID it to the egress, and the egres= s replaces it with its own MEP-ID in the Resv message.=20 2. Use the mechanism described in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-cc= amp-mpls-tp-rsvpte-ext-tunnel-num-05 to carry the Tunnel_Num of the egress = back to the ingress.=20 With this value (carried in the ASSOCIATION object) available, both sides c= an derive what the other sides MEP-ID should be.=20 I propose solution #1, since it puts all the information needed for configu= ration in one neat group, and not spread out over multiple RSVP object.=20 Personally I think solution #2 is bit clumsy since you, as an implementer, = have to gather information from a bunch of different objects to construct t= he final MEP-ID.=20 Any comments?=20 Best regards,=20 Pontus Sk=F6ldstr=F6m, M.Sc. Research Scientist Netlab - Networking and Transmission Laboratory +46 8 632 7731 pontus.skoldstrom@acreo.se Acreo AB =96 Part of Swedish ICT Electrum 236, 164 40 Kista, Sweden www.acreo.se ________________________________________ From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berg= er [lberger@labn.net] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 22:28 To: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext@tools.ietf.org Cc: CCAMP Subject: [CCAMP] Resolutions of comments on draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mp= ls-tp-oam-ext Authors, Can you state how the comments in the following messages have been addressed in the latest version? http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ccamp/current/msg13559.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ccamp/current/msg13837.html I also note that no updated version was posted based on the thread completed in: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ccamp/current/msg14063.html. Please let us know if you have any open issues you'd like to discuss in next week's sessions. We have a couple of cancellations and can fit you in, if needed. (And closing on the open issues will help unblock these documents.) Much thanks, Lou _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp= From lberger@labn.net Mon Nov 26 07:57:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2F521F853B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:57:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.303 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.303 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-4.091, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, CN_BODY_35=0.339, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yVtG8fTiWMRK for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com (173-254-64-10.unifiedlayer.com [173.254.64.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8562E21F84E4 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20603 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2012 15:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy11.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2012 15:57:13 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=ByZyBD1kZ8pnyrl2AMQmJaNSYbKYZAarDYsqKWJMH9A=; b=RLstmp+MuzXJ1008LMpjDXX2utRyj5syAWXICpMKmPQr7W+Oe7amYgA0MlcDwE4jX88fzFwYWS6MG+jZ2W4MoH65ZKBjRwX8/vRO9Q4qW9SvOaTs57E77J9A+F927FeH; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:41762 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Td13Y-00021f-SV; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:57:13 -0700 Message-ID: <50B39158.9020407@labn.net> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:57:12 -0500 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniele Ceccarelli , Steve.Balls@metaswitch.com References: <20121120030709.26436.8708.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <50B3586E.30301@labn.net> <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4802F0CF@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4802F0CF@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP , "sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.it" , "lihan@chinamobile.com" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogTmV3IFZlcnNpb24gTm90aWZpY2F0aW9uIGZv?= =?gb2312?b?ciBkcmFmdC1pZXRmLWNjYW1wLWdtcGxzLWc3MDktZnJhbWV3b3JrLTExLnR4?= =?gb2312?b?dA==?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:57:36 -0000 Most excellent! Lou PS *Steve Balls* -- we're still waiting on an IPR statement from you on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 -- please respond to that thread, not this one. On 11/26/2012 8:51 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Hi Lou, > > The other docs have already been updated and are being reviewed by all the co-authors. The deadline we gave for review, and hence the day they will be uploaded, is Wednesday 28. > > BR > Daniele > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: luned 26 novembre 2012 12.54 >> To: Fatai Zhang >> Cc: CCAMP; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A; lihan@chinamobile.com; Lidan; >> Daniele Ceccarelli; sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.it >> Subject: Re: : New Version Notification for >> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11.txt >> >> Fatai, Authors, >> I think this version resolves the comments made on the >> document. >> >> Can anyone comment on when the other 709 documents might be updated? >> >> Thanks, >> Lou >> >> On 11/19/2012 10:10 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >>> Hi Chairs and all, >>> >>> A new version has been uploaded. >>> >>> Reference and nits have been resolved. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best Regards >>> >>> Fatai >>> >>> >>> -----ʼԭ----- >>> : internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] >>> ʱ: 20121120 11:07 >>> ռ: Fatai Zhang >>> : lihan@chinamobile.com; Lidan; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; >>> sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.it >>> : New Version Notification for >>> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11.txt >>> >>> >>> A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11.txt >>> has been successfully submitted by Fatai Zhang and posted to >> the IETF >>> repository. >>> >>> Filename: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework >>> Revision: 11 >>> Title: Framework for GMPLS and PCE Control of >> G.709 Optical Transport Networks >>> Creation date: 2012-11-19 >>> WG ID: ccamp >>> Number of pages: 26 >>> URL: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709 > -framework-11.txt >>> Status: >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework >>> Htmlized: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11 >>> Diff: >> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-fr > amework-11 >>> >>> Abstract: >>> This document provides a framework to allow the development of >>> protocol extensions to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label >>> Switching (GMPLS) and Path Computation Element (PCE) control of >>> Optical Transport Networks (OTN) as specified in ITU-T >> Recommendation >>> G.709 as published in 2012. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> The IETF Secretariat >>> >> > From Steve.Balls@metaswitch.com Mon Nov 26 09:32:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E1921F86E5 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:32:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JgHRzjbwcvCB for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from SFPETS2.metaswitch.com (sfpets2.metaswitch.com [198.147.226.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9BC221F85EE for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from SFPCAS1.datcon.co.uk (172.24.4.3) by SFPETS2.metaswitch.com (172.24.4.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:31:34 -0800 Received: from SFPMBX1.datcon.co.uk ([fe80::8471:982f:7fd5:35ef]) by SFPCAS1.datcon.co.uk ([fe80::1924:e6dd:b536:8f10%12]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:32:25 -0800 From: Steve Balls To: labn - Lou Berger Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 Thread-Index: AQHNnYR4DuKCQX/HJEai5qSFbNDAb5fJRsYAgDN1EyA= Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:30:24 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:30:00 +0000 Message-ID: <1508F62A2F511042B45D315CFF74E229D265F452@SFPMBX1.datcon.co.uk> References: <5065B232.1020908@labn.net> <508819EA.3010401@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <508819EA.3010401@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.24.112.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:32:26 -0000 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. -----Original Message----- From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:40 AM To: francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com; corsi.marco@gmail.com; eve.varma@alcat= el-lucent.com; Tellabs - Jonathan Sadler; Ciena - Lyndon Ong; Infinera - As= hok Kunjidhapatham; Infinera - Snigdho Bardalai; Steve Balls; Jonathan Hard= wick; fu.xihua@zte.com.cn; NSN - Cyril Margaria; Malcolm.betts@zte.com.cn Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 Hello, If you are listed on the to line you are listed in the above draft as an A= uthor or Contributor and I believe have not responded to the message includ= ed below. Can you please respond to this message (and leave CCAMP cc'ed). And state e= ither: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If you answer yes, please also state: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. Thank you, Lou On 9/28/2012 10:20 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > CCAMP: Please note there are IPR disclosures: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=3Ddocument_search&docume > nt_search=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- >=20 > Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) >=20 > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to=20 > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3? >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules=20 > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? >=20 > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer=20 > the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you=20 > are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the=20 > next stage until a response has been received from each author and=20 > listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS=20 > MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author=20 > or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR=20 > rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR=20 > of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in=20 > any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For=20 > more information, please see the RFCs listed above and=20 > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >=20 > Thank you, > CCAMP WG Chairs >=20 > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your=20 > response. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Nov 27 23:36:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3D121F879A; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:36:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.503 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.503 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.096, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L4N9kssHZcja; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCA021F8457; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:36:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.36 Message-ID: <20121128073621.29401.81832.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:36:21 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:36:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Evaluation of existing GMPLS encoding against G.709v3 Op= tical Transport Networks (OTN) Author(s) : Sergio Belotti Pietro Vittorio Grandi Daniele Ceccarelli Diego Caviglia Fatai Zhang Dan Li Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-05.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2012-11-27 Abstract: The recent revision of ITU-T recommendation G.709 [G.709-2012] has introduced new fixed and flexible Optical Data Unit (ODU) containers in Optical Transport Networks (OTNs), enabling optimized support for an increasingly abundant service mix. This document provides an evaluation of existing Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) routing and signaling methods against the G.709-2012 OTN networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-05 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Nov 27 23:37:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22A121F87C1; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:37:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.507 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.507 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.092, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x21Tu1fR9Kjo; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:37:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8A321F87B0; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:37:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.36 Message-ID: <20121128073754.7548.6383.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:37:54 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-04.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:37:55 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF for Generalized M= PLS (GMPLS) Control of Evolving G.709 OTN Networks Author(s) : Daniele Ceccarelli Diego Caviglia Fatai Zhang Dan Li Sergio Belotti Pietro Vittorio Grandi Rajan Rao Khuzema Pithewan John E Drake Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-04.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2012-11-27 Abstract: ITU-T Recommendation G.709 [G.709-2012] has introduced new fixed and flexible Optical Data Unit (ODU) containers, enabling optimized support for an increasingly abundant service mix. This document describes Open Shortest Path First - Traffic Engineering (OSPF-TE) routing protocol extensions to support Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) control of all currently defined ODU containers, in support of both sub-lambda and lambda level routing granularity. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-04 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Nov 30 00:24:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5411D21F89FC; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:24:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.079, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dNfpke7A8Wxw; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7A021F8942; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:24:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.36 Message-ID: <20121130082450.6319.44813.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:24:50 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:24:51 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signa= ling Extensions for the evolving G.709 Optical Transport Networks Control Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Guoying Zhang Sergio Belotti Daniele Ceccarelli Khuzema Pithewan Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-05.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2012-11-30 Abstract: ITU-T Recommendation G.709 [G709-2012] has introduced new Optical channel Data Unit (ODU) containers (ODU0, ODU4, ODU2e and ODUflex) and enhanced Optical Transport Networking (OTN) flexibility. This document updates RFC4328 to provide the extensions to the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) signaling to control the evolving OTN addressing ODUk multiplexing and new features including ODU0, ODU4, ODU2e and ODUflex. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3 There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-= 05 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/