From adrian@olddog.co.uk Tue Jun 4 06:36:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AF321F96EC for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:36:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.825 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.825 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.704, BAYES_20=-0.74, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oTaenf-z8BG4 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E7821F9A85 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 05:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r54C38JQ027349; Tue, 4 Jun 2013 13:03:08 +0100 Received: from 950129200 ([220.109.211.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r54C2scR026951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 4 Jun 2013 13:03:06 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 13:02:45 +0100 Message-ID: <059201ce611b$7665aff0$63310fd0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac5g6WevdwaVA9nwTdmWrnDC9tS4Ng== Content-Language: en-gb Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Supplementary question on draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-aps-req X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 13:36:08 -0000 Hi, Just talking about this I-D with someone and we wondered where and how you see the RSVP-TE ASSOCIATION object with your work. Thanks, Adrian From ogondio@tid.es Wed Jun 5 12:23:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A7921F9A9C for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:23:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.656 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.656 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, FRT_BELOW2=2.154, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KxKKOFBWUlha for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tidos.tid.es (tidos.tid.es [195.235.93.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B30D21F9A24 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbrightmailg01.hi.inet (sbrightmailg01.hi.inet [10.95.64.104]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0MNX00GENPT885@tid.hi.inet> for ccamp@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 21:22:20 +0200 (MEST) Received: from tid (tid.hi.inet [10.95.64.10]) by sbrightmailg01.hi.inet (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 5B.C9.03066.CEF8FA15; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 21:22:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from correo.tid.es (mailhost.hi.inet [10.95.64.100]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0MNX00GEKPT885@tid.hi.inet> for ccamp@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 21:22:20 +0200 (MEST) Received: from EX10-MB2-MAD.hi.inet ([169.254.2.38]) by EX10-HTCAS8-MAD.hi.inet ([fe80::41c8:e965:8a6:de67%11]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Wed, 05 Jun 2013 21:22:20 +0200 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 19:22:19 +0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Oscar_Gonz=E1lez_de_Dios?= In-reply-to: <20130605165315.22929.5121.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Originating-IP: [10.95.64.115] To: CCAMP Message-id: <7CFF94B047D8864CB6268315034E35DE2F5E46F7@EX10-MB2-MAD.hi.inet> Content-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-language: es-ES Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Thread-topic: New Version Notification for draft-ogrcetal-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-03.txt Thread-index: AQHOYiHk18hw/Fy1NUOLZ6oJ3LV7Qw== user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 X-AuditID: 0a5f4068-b7fe16d000000bfa-28-51af8fec94a1 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrOLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXCFe/Apfumf32gwdpFRhZP5txgcWD0WLLk J1MAYxSXTUpqTmZZapG+XQJXxpnHc1gKvuhW9K4+ydLAuEW1i5GTQ0LARKJ/9UUWCFtM4sK9 9WxdjFwcQgIbGSWetH5iBEkICfxglPjw3wMisYFRYs7f+WwgCRYBVYnjXUvAbDYBB4l1i3rB bGGBMIn/Vw8ANXNwcAo4Sry5pAexQEHiz7nHYMtEBKQkbu67xQ5i8wp4S3xev50NpJxZwEzi yFx/iLCgxI/J98DKmQV0JHq/f2OGsMUl5vyayApha0s8eXcBzGYUkJVYef40I8T4cIn+w41Q q/Qk/q/5AdYrCmS3HTvDDnGOgMSSPeeZIWxRiZeP/7FOYBSfhXDFLCRXzEJyxSwkV8xCcsUC RtZVjGLFSUWZ6RkluYmZOekGhnoZmXqZeaklmxghkZWxg3H5TpVDjAIcjEo8vAd81wcKsSaW FVfmHmKU4GBWEuH9VwEU4k1JrKxKLcqPLyrNSS0+xMjEwSnVwCghzbYk1WFdAf+Kra77hE33 mLAkC33d8svozUKbjHv/JsieuPdnsXxDb6a2ZHiCQt7bmnepXbffP5tusr9q9TSjbq1rd3Nc uXZ1CFdx7ttQFR+3L5V3VhD3zmnF5W/crGyvy+qYOJ659tw+5VnUqtUXVn5Zxfvn+pGVJ20m uBXOV7WwiYvp2KnEUpyRaKjFXFScCABhoPUSigIAAA== Subject: [CCAMP] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ogrcetal-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-03.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 19:23:02 -0000 Hi ccampers & flexi-griders, During the last IETF we had a very profitable joint meeting with ITU-T SG15 Q6 regarding flexi-grid. A set of questions with the doubts were discussed and clarified. We have posted a new version of the Flexi-grid framework reflecting the latest discussions and a general clean-up, which you can find in http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ogrcetal-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-03. txt Please find bellow a summary of the answers to the questions and doubts we had (the detailed minutes of the joint CCAMP-ITU-T meeting are already posted on the IETF website), that are reflected in the new framework document. * Question 1.1 Relation between media layer and signal layer: which are the allowed combinations? --> There is only one possible combination: Single Optical Tributary Signal (OTS) over Single Network media channel. --> The term OTS relates to the entire signal (independently on how many carriers it has) that gets put down in a network media channel. A definition can be: It is the light that goes through a network media channel from TX to RX independently on the numbers of carriers. There is no term yet defined to refer to the grouping of one or more OTS. However, at some point in the future, it will be needed to consider co-routing several network media channels (each of them that supports a single OTS, which together will form a single data entity). * Question 1.2. Do we need to consider express channel? --> Although there is not really a true hierarchy in the media (spectrum), from the management and control point of view, a hierarchy of media channels is considered. * Question 2.1. What are the attributes of a link? Supported/Available central frequencies (N) Supported/Available slot width/granularity (M) Portion of spectrum available, Are there other attributes that can=B9t be expressed via M and N? What are the attributes of a node? Connectivity matrix? --> All the attributes already available in the draft seem OK. * Question 3. Regarding resource allocation, Are there different n,m allowed along the path? --> This aspect has not been debated in ITU, and there was no agreement. It will be fixed in ITU-T G.872. * Question 4. Is it envisioned to consider the impact of signal characteristics on the link information? How it would be represented in the control plane? : --> In an environment of only pre-qualified paths, no. Otherwise, impairment aware path computation issues as in WSON apply. Follow the work in WSON. Based on the previous answers, the premises of the framework for flexi-grid networks are: - The LSPs to be managed in flexi-grid are always media channels. If the end-points are transceivers, they are (from ITU-T terminology) network media channels. - LSPs can be hierarchical (media channel over media channel). - As LSPs are media channels, they are characterized by an n and m. - The term super channel will no lo longer be used to avoid confusion. >From now on, only Optical Tributary Signal is used. The following "mapping" from old terms to new terms is considered -> A contiguous =B3Superchannel=B2 maps with one OTS. -> Non-contiguous Superchannel maps to 2 or more OTS that need to be co-routed - 2 or more network media channels can be treated together (co-routed). IETF GMPLS control plane has already a set of mechanisms to consider this. Regarding the document itself, most of the editor's notes have been removed. The content has been re-arranged for clarity. Also, some sections have been merged to avoid redundancies. Please consider reviewing the document and providing inputs. We are looking forward to receiving comments :-) Best Regards, Oscar El 05/06/13 18:53, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" escribi=F3: > >A new version of I-D, draft-ogrcetal-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-03.txt >has been successfully submitted by Oscar Gonzalez de Dios and posted to >the >IETF repository. > >Filename: draft-ogrcetal-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk >Revision: 03 >Title: Framework and Requirements for GMPLS based control of Flex= i-grid >DWDM networks >Creation date: 2013-06-05 >Group: Individual Submission >Number of pages: 30 >URL: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ogrcetal-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-03 >.txt >Status: >http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ogrcetal-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk >Htmlized: >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ogrcetal-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-03 >Diff: >http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ogrcetal-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-03 > >Abstract: > This document defines a framework and the associated control plane > requirements for the GMPLS based control of flexi-grid DWDM networks. > To allow efficient allocation of optical spectral bandwidth for high > bit-rate systems, the International Telecommunication Union > Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T) has extended the > recommendations [G.694.1] and [G.872] to include the concept of > flexible grid. A new DWDM grid has been developed within the ITU-T > Study Group 15 by defining a set of nominal central frequencies, > channel spacings and the concept of "frequency slot". In such > environment, a data plane connection is switched based on allocated, > variable-sized frequency ranges within the optical spectrum. > > > > > >The IETF Secretariat ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nu= estra pol=EDtica de env=EDo y recepci=F3n de correo electr=F3nico en el enl= ace situado m=E1s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and re= ceive email on the basis of the terms set out at: http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx From ke-oogaki@kddi.com Thu Jun 6 01:08:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3948121F92E3 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 01:08:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0yPEpCTGZxGO for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 01:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UTMC1101.kddi.com (athena.kddi.com [210.141.112.39]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E26921F9263 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 01:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UTMC1134 (unknown [10.5.16.201]) by UTMC1101.kddi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 813A214B5; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:08:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from UTMC1122.kddi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.kddi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BEC21924; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:08:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from LTMC1006.kddi.com (unknown [10.5.16.217]) by UTMC1122.kddi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B221CB4; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:08:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from LTMC1006.kddi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by LTMC1006.kddi.com with ESMTP id r5688gTM010288; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:08:42 +0900 Received: from LTMC1006.kddi.com.mid_18060911 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by LTMC1006.kddi.com with ESMTP id r567weFe031375; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:58:40 +0900 Received: from KDDI0802PC0412 ([10.200.132.0] [10.200.132.0]) by post-zip.kddi.com with ESMTPA; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:58:39 +0900 From: "Ogaki, Kenichi" To: , References: <059201ce611b$7665aff0$63310fd0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <059201ce611b$7665aff0$63310fd0$@olddog.co.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 16:58:39 +0900 Message-Id: <011c01ce628b$a8004810$f800d830$@kddi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIkyvGXtTWlwtUhjt7omraTzNv/TJh7c41w Content-Language: ja X-SA-MID: 18060911 X-WAuditID: 1306061708420000428068 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Supplementary question on draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-aps-req X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 08:08:52 -0000 Dear Adrian, > Just talking about this I-D with someone and we wondered where and how you > see the RSVP-TE ASSOCIATION object with your work. IMHO, ASSOCIATION object should be handled by RSVP-TE handling process on an LSP head-end node, separated from PCC process on this node. However, PCC should indicate a protection type how a protecting LSP protects the protected one in PCReq as described in 3.1(7) and 3.2(3). In this case, the PCC process receives both calculated protecting and protected routes from PCE, then informs the RSVP-TE process of these routes. After that, RSVP-TE process should appropriately add ASSOCIATION object to Path messages for these LSPs. If we touch on ASSOCIATION object in this draft, a sentence may be added to 3.2(3)Roles of the routes as follows. When a PCC specifies the protection type of an LSP, the PCE should compute the working route and the corresponding protection route(s). Therefore, the PCRep should allow to distinguish the working (nominal) and the protection routes. According to these routes, RSVP-TE procedure appropriately creates both the working and the protection LSPs for example with ASSOCIATION object [RFC6689]. Is this reasonable answer? Thanks, Kenichi -- Kenichi Ogaki KDDI | IP Transport Network Development Dept. +81-(0)80-5945-9138 | www.kddi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 9:03 PM > To: draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-aps-req.all@tools.ietf.org > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] Supplementary question on draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-aps-req > > Hi, > > Just talking about this I-D with someone and we wondered where and how you > see the RSVP-TE ASSOCIATION object with your work. > > Thanks, > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From lberger@labn.net Fri Jun 14 13:04:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1421921F9D21 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:04:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E5hnmPGumCPM for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 69B9021F9D2B for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18987 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2013 20:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2013 20:03:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=clazJOolUm3f2eYts5XL4cl2DvIh82c1OIXz3fsiJD8=; b=C9Cfb7Oa/BkGrYfnRFB+n/ym2IgMZPyu1GYIPZgmu82xOmlEaWFRbp+N5btuJZ3ynNgI3GErfUludqZVR3eyUo086YsnPqriljWuWX79S/lHrAuDndMDHozfy7LLpp+p; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:52535 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UnaDb-0006su-LI; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:03:31 -0600 Message-ID: <51BB7710.2020009@labn.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:03:28 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org" References: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call comments on g709-framework (editorial only) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:04:06 -0000 Hi, The following are comments as part of my LC review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-12. Note that I'm the document shepherd, see RFC 4858 for more information. I only have editorial nits, which should be picked up in the next revision of this document. The most major comment I have is that this and the other g709v3 documents should be consistent in usage of "TS granularity" versus "TSG". Sometimes one is used rather than the other, sometimes both are used in the same document (as is the case in this document). Please pick either one and update the four documents to be consistent. Another and related comment is please define and use a consistent plural form of "TS". You initially define "TSs" to expand to "Time Slots", but then use "TS" as the plural form in many (but not all cases). I personally think "TSs" in all plural cases makes the most sense. Line numbers in the following comments can be found at http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-12.txt Line 96: "suite including provision [RFC4328] provides" This sentence is broken and should be rephrased. perhaps you mean something like: The GMPLS signaling extensions defined in [RFC4328] provide the mechanisms for basic GMPLS control of OTN networks based on the 2001 revision of the G.709 specification. Line 98/9: this is pretty awkward, how about: OLD Later revisions of the G.709 specification, i.e., [G709-2012], has included some new features NEW The 2012 revision of the G.709 specification, [G709-2012], includes new features Line 143: Does it make sense to mention PPM here? suggest dropping. Also need to expand acronym on initial use. Section 3 Given the discussion on the signaling document I think it's worth adding a few words and a reference to [G7041] in this section. Line 258: s/granularity and/granularity, Line 272: s/the 'new' equipment will/[G709-2012] requires 'new' equipment Line 273: s/if/when Line 313: s/TSs/TS Lines 388/9: I think the terminology "flexible optical connections" is not well defined in this context. Either add a reference or drop the word "flexible". Line 390: Add a reference defining 3R. How about adding ", see [RFC6163] for additional information." to the end of the line? Line 438 & 510: Add references for MLN. Line 571-579: Given the documented signaling approach, does it still make sense to mention tolerance here? Line 590: What is a TS type, perhaps you mean "TSG"? Line 598: s/in order to setting up/in order to set up Line 604/5 OLD A new extension object has to be defined NEW A signaling mechanism must be identified Line 667: s/of TS/of each TS Line 681 Suggest dropping "and sufficient" as it is completely unclear what this means. Line 721: remove redundant text "either no priorities or" Lines 752-755: I'm not sure what value this paragraph provides as LMP information is generally available from the management plane (e.g., configuration). Line 758 s/case/cases Line 761: s/the discovering procedure by LMP/discovery via LMP Line 857: Need a reference for "TS auto-negotiation is supported" That's it, Lou From lberger@labn.net Fri Jun 14 13:04:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E8021F881F for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:04:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zYL6CUN65EDC for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3994421F8B35 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10210 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2013 20:04:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2013 20:04:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=NR8cJc6LiKovXro3mPB8SEjg80jLZcpA12/8u7QErWU=; b=NANTxzJOxvau0zU3uVbe3Rqbs4cBiZyUBA8FrXfiHg88gj2z/mL5hMq1O/Sum6s2uujRTPMR+4RfKh9+BV9WAv0NCF+te+CoT30uBtJcsiKlVfwDKyIZ/kNTKKSJkMYt; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:52679 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UnaEP-0007Dt-Aq; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:04:21 -0600 Message-ID: <51BB7741.5060302@labn.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:04:17 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model@tools.ietf.org" References: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call comments on g709-info-model (editorial) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:04:47 -0000 Hi, The following are comments as part of my LC review of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-08. Note that I'm the document shepherd, see RFC 4858 for more information. Please see http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-08.txt for line numbers used in this message. The draft needs to be nit free before being passed to the IESG. The following nits show in the above URL: Checking references for intended status: Informational ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- == Unused Reference: 'RFC3630' is defined on line 831, but no explicit reference was found in the text == Unused Reference: 'RFC5250' is defined on line 853, but no explicit reference was found in the text == Outdated reference: A later version (-06) exists of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-04 == Outdated reference: A later version (-12) exists of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11 == Outdated reference: A later version (-09) exists of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-05 I also have the following editorial comments: - From my comments on the framework document: this and the other g709v3 documents should be consistent in usage of "TS granularity" versus "TSG". Sometimes one is used rather than the other, sometimes both are used in the same document (as is the case in this document). Please pick either one and update the four documents to be consistent. - Another and related comment is please define and use a consistent plural form of "TS". You initially define "TSs" to expand to "Time Slots", but then use "TS" as the plural form in many (but not all cases). I personally think "TSs" in all plural cases makes the most sense. - Also same comment for TSGs. - please be consistent in usage of "Gbps". Some inconsistent examples: "1.25/2.5", "1.25Gbps", "1.25 GBps" and "1.25 Gbps". (I personally prefer the final form, but any common form is fine.) Line 24: s/methods/protocols Lines 88-97: Section 1 This section is a bit odd in what it says and doesn't say. How about something along the following as a replacement: GMPLS routing and signaling, as defined by [RFC4203], [RFC3473] and [RFC4328], provides the mechanisms for basic GMPLS control of OTN networks based on the 2001 revision of the G.709 specification. The 2012 revision of the G.709 specification, [G709-2012], includes new OTN features which are not supported by GMPLS. This document provides an evaluation of exiting GMPLS signaling and routing protocols against G.709 [G.709-2012] requirements. Background information and a framework for the GMPLS protocol extensions need to support [G.709-2012] is provided in [OTN-FWK]. Specific routing and signaling extensions are defined in [OTN-OSPF] and [OTN-RSVP]. Line 214: s/2,5/2.5 Line 257: Do you perhaps mean "This distinction" rather than "The discrimination"? Line 292: s/r[/[ Line 300: AUTOpayloadtype needs a reference Line 320: s/TS size/TSG Line 322/3: I think the 1st sentence cane be dropped (as it really just says "On the other side the client TSG is the TSG that is exported towards the client layer.") Line 412: s/like/such as Line 416 s/his/its Lines 452-457: This paragraph is incomprehensible. I tried to come up with suggested, but failed as I'm not sure what is being made. Line 461: A guess: s/so to have a more precise choice capability./to enable precise path selection Line 464: s/allowed/possible Section 17. The choice of which documents are informative and which are normative seems a bit random. I'm not too sure what a normative reference really means in this type of informational document in any case, but clearly the itu data plane documents should be normative if any references are identified as such. That's it, Lou From lberger@labn.net Fri Jun 14 13:32:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02F921E805F for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:32:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MHpNT2bFrnKh for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 252C611E80E0 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4352 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2013 20:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2013 20:31:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Qd/kd3MoFhwQnwtpmXVSWsx7E37wGThDjD2wl+wVZEM=; b=cCepzZtL/dYuXhMk/2tvPTfOeOFEdzRms9Itvl30vyqOZ13KhiLgjyh74zrnJ0mzUmSRkiwZ+u8OOXsKTAGwsTSBuJhBDjgbqz2Jwpp/ZtKoXxszCkc9nsxNKARizk2U; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:58850 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Unaev-0002y1-Uf; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:31:46 -0600 Message-ID: <51BB7DAE.30203@labn.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:31:42 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3@tools.ietf.org" References: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call comments on ospf-g709v3 (editorial only) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:32:13 -0000 Hi, The following are comments as part of my LC review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-06. Note that I'm the document shepherd, see RFC 4858 for more information. Please see http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-06.txt for line numbers used in this message. The draft needs to be nit free before being passed to the IESG. The following nits show in the above URL: Miscellaneous warnings: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- == Using lowercase 'not' together with uppercase 'MUST', 'SHALL', 'SHOULD', or 'RECOMMENDED' is not an accepted usage according to RFC 2119. Please use uppercase 'NOT' together with RFC 2119 keywords (if that is what you mean). Found 'MUST not' in this paragraph: - Unreserved Bandwidth (32 bits): This field indicates the Unreserved Bandwidth at a particular priority level. This field MUST be set to the bandwidth, in bits/s in IEEE floating point format, available at the indicated Signal Type for a particular priority level. One field MUST be present for each bit set in the Priority field, and is ordered to match the Priority field. Fields MUST not be present for priority levels that are not indicated in the Priority field.This field is REQUIRED for Type 2 (variable container) TLVs, and MUST NOT be used for Type 1 TLVs. -- The document date (April 4, 2013) is 71 days in the past. Is this intentional? Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using normative references to lower-maturity documents in RFCs) == Outdated reference: A later version (-12) exists of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11 == Outdated reference: A later version (-08) exists of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-05 == Outdated reference: A later version (-09) exists of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-05 I also have the following editorial comments: As with other documents: - This and the other g709v3 documents should be consistent in usage of "TS granularity" versus "TSG". Sometimes one is used rather than the other, sometimes both are used in the same document (as is the case in this document). Please pick either one and update the four documents to be consistent. - Another and related comment is please define and use a consistent plural form of "TS". You initially define "TSs" to expand to "Time Slots", but then use "TS" as the plural form in many (but not all cases). I personally think "TSs" in all plural cases makes the most sense. - Also same comment for TSGs. - Please be consistent in usage of "Gbps". Some inconsistent examples: "1.25/2.5", "1.25Gps", "1.25 GBps" and "1.25 Gbps". (I personally prefer the final form, but any common form is fine.) - RFC 4203 uses the field name "Switching Capability-specific information" while the document uses "Switch Capability Specific Information", so throughout the document please s/Switch Capability/Switching Capability - per RFC4203, fix capitalization when referring to the filed name: s/MAX LSP bandwidth/MAX LSP Bandwidth lines 2-5: Shouldn't this document be identified as an update to 4203? Lines 24-32: The Abstract is really in need of a make over. How about something like the following: This document describes Open Shortest Path First - Traffic Engineering (OSPF-TE) routing protocol extensions to support Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) control of Optical Transport Networks (OTN) specified in ITU-T Recommendation G.709 as published in 2012. It extends mechanisms defined in RFC4203. Line 102: Expand ODU Lines 105/6: Drop "which is being standardized in ITU-T" Line 107: s/the routing process/routing Lines 108: You should mentioned the base OSPF TE document here. How about: s/OSPF-TE/use in GMPLS OSPF-TE as defined in [RFC4203]. Line 115: s/The routing/Routing Line 143-145: I think this text reads a bit backwards, it is the need for the ISCD that drives the new type/swcap, not the other way around I also suggest adding informative reference to draft-ietf-ccamp-swcaps-update, perhaps something like: OLD This leads to the need to define a new Switching Capability value and associated new Switching Capability for the Interface Switching Capability Descriptor (ISCD). NEW These capabilities are carried in the Interface Switching Capability Descriptor (ISCD) Switching Capability-specific information field using formats defined in this document. As discussed in [swcaps-update], the use of a technology specific Switching Capability-specific information field necessitates the definition of a new Switching Capability value and associated new Switching Capability. Line 178: Drop "on this traffic card" Lines 192/3: "The TE-Link is referred to as OTUk-TE-Link." This term is used just once in the document. Suggest dropping it. Lines 193/4: Doesn't the TE link for an OTUk physical Link always provide ODUk capacity? Either way this text needs to be fixed/clarified. Lines 196, 206: Is this an OTUk or ODUk TE link? You first says the former then the latter. I suspect you mean former, i.e., s/ODUk/OTUk Line 209/10: "Such TE-Links are also termed ODUk-TE-Links." This term is used just once in the document. Suggest dropping it. Lines 210-212,221: ODUj vs ODUk. Isn't it the case that a multi hop TE link could represent either ODUj or ODUk resources? This isn't clear from the current text/usage of ODUj/k. Line 229: s/[RFC4202]/and is defined in [RFC4203] Lines 249-257: The document already says 4203 MUST be followed, so no need to provide normative language for 4203-defined behavior. Specifically: s/field MUST be used/field is used s/MUST be in/is in Lines 286/7: Isn't this sentence redundant with the prior sentence? Suggest dropping. Line 291: s/OTN ISCD/OTN-TDM ISCD Line 293/4: Types are defined in this document. Suggest adding: Note that type values are defined in this document and not [RFC3630]. Line 301: SCSI acronym not defined. Line 301,302: s/any/each Line 302: To clarify and to add a transition to the next paragraph, I suggest adding something along the lines of: Each container type is identified by a Signal Type. Signal Type values are defined in [OTN-SIG]. Line 469/470: The sentence starting "This field is ..." isn't used consistently (i.e., not present for Unreserved ODUj, Unreserved Padding, and Maximum LSP Bandwidth). It should be dropped, or parallel statements should be added for the other cases. Line 1112: I think the first sentence is a bit hard to follow. How about: OLD This document, as [RFC4203], specifies NEW This document extends [RFC4203]. As with[RFC4203], it specifies Line 1133: s/Type/Name Line 1145: How about the following as the registry name: "Types for sub-TLVs of OTN-TDM SCSI (Switch Capability Specific Information)" Lines 1153-1159 To be aligned with what you want to see with the registry, and fix type 2 description: Value Sub-TLV Reference 0 Reserved [This.I-D] 1 Unreserved Bandwidth [This.I-D] for fixed containers 2 Unreserved/Max Bandwidth [This.I-D] for flexible containers Lines 1161/2 You some parts of the IANA "formula", how about: OLD New TLV type values may be allocated only by an IETF Consensus action. The request Registration Procedures are Standards Action. New Types are to be assigned via Standards Action as defined in [RFC5226]. Lines 1247-1249: Shouldn't [G.709-2012] be normative? That's it, Lou From lberger@labn.net Fri Jun 14 14:18:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D4721F9B0C for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:18:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.335 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.335 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.929, BAYES_20=-0.74, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OF-tJKpzkwr5 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 56E7121F9AE8 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21717 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2013 21:17:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2013 21:17:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=vb1mzhnKeivCtjSxwuaK3KyIc71zEdB4KEhqK44+Rkc=; b=xGG/6sLLZhmGxz68PrigY5z7k3aKUNQQ9oZT0E7Y3IMnbDe7j6nuwKDzGHs9Az13yQOeGj1CJcwX7LilQ2L2kkg5az1bKAXIfV1Np+GDBp15V1gWkvpkK6nXX+nr/q2S; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:40233 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UnbNf-00080L-AJ for ccamp@ietf.org; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:17:59 -0600 Message-ID: <51BB8884.30509@labn.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:17:56 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] Does draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3 obsolete RFC4328? X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:18:32 -0000 WG, As part of the publication request for draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3 we have to answer the question of how it relates to RFC4328. I think things have evolved since the WG started this work. My view (with all hats) is that new implementations should really look to this work and not RFC4328 and that we, the IETF, should not leave in force two standards for the control of the same types of OTN signals. This basically means that draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3 obsoletes RFC4328. Does anyone disagree? Much thanks, Lou From lberger@labn.net Fri Jun 14 15:15:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5393221F9AE2 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:15:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.033 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.033 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.232, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V23v9RDRI51T for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.51.224]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1493B21E804D for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7851 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2013 22:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy14.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2013 22:15:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=vFdtxVPSGFQaFVqGJSKb/TWpnbw9K1xv6Ch0PWMNbI8=; b=I+/yj/oWn1hbXVDgxGgyb30csfPf1gvlMpcGAfkpbK4UXxtc+ZW1OdiY4AVO9DKQ9IVH0vXQrYrEI6WyjGDFJoDDAqaEJbxSZO/m4tmbK6iSHVvxT3S1a+zJfBfr8Gqv; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:52368 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UncHE-0002oW-8C; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:15:24 -0600 Message-ID: <51BB95F9.5000401@labn.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:15:21 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org" References: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call comments on signaling-g709v3 (editorial only) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:15:29 -0000 Hi, The following are comments as part of my LC review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-09. Note that I'm the document shepherd, see RFC 4858 for more information. As with other documents: - This and the other g709v3 documents should be consistent in usage of "TS granularity" versus "TSG". Sometimes one is used rather than the other, sometimes both are used in the same document (as is the case in this document). Please pick either one and update the four documents to be consistent. - Another and related comment is please define and use a consistent plural form of "TS". You initially define "TSs" to expand to "Time Slots", but then use "TS" as the plural form in many (but not all cases). I personally think "TSs" in all plural cases makes the most sense. - Also same comment for TSGs. - Please be consistent in usage of "Gbps". Some inconsistent examples: "1.25Gps", "1.25 Gbps" and "1.25 Gbps". (I personally prefer the final form, but any common form is fine.) Please see http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-09.txt for line numbers used in this message. Line 47: s/updates/provides an alternative to Line 49: s/evolving OTN addressing ODUk multiplexing and new/full set of OTN Line 97: s/updates/provides an alternative to Line 132: s/[G.709-V3]/[G709-2012] Line 143: drop "needs to be updated because it" Line 330: "Here:" what? Do you mean "Where:"? Line 373: s/PATH/Path Line 379: s/MAY not/may not Lines 388/9: Tolerance no longer signaled. Suggest saying as much. Lines 581: s/ignored/ignored on receipt. Section 6. You should consistently use formal object names throughout this section, which can be found at http://www.iana.org/assignments/rsvp-parameters/rsvp-parameters.xml. e.g, "Label Set" --> "LABEL_SET Object". Line 591: s/MAY not/need not Line 611: As repeating whats in 3473, suggest lower case usage of 2119 terms. Line 624,625,626/7: s/TS type/TSG Line 879. How about adding to the beginning of the paragraph something along the lines of: This document is a modification to [RFC3473] and [RFC4328], and only differs in specific information communicated. As such, this document ... Lines 888-897 How about: Upon approval of this document, IANA will make the following assignments in the "Class Types or C-Types ‒ 9 FLOWSPEC" and "Class Types or C-Types ‒ 12 SENDER_TSPEC" section of the "RSVP Parameters" registry located at http://www.iana.org/assignments/rsvp-parameters/rsvp-parameters.xml Value Description Reference 7* OTN-TDM [This.I-D] (*) Suggested value Lines 905-909: Drop lines Line 911->928: to match registry, Replace with: Value Type Technology Reference ===== ====================== ========== 47 G.709 ODU-2.5G G.709 ODUk [RFC4328], (IANA to update Type field) [This.I-D] 56 SBCON/ESCON G.709 ODUk, [RFC4328], (IANA to update Type field) Lambda, Fiber [This.I-D] 59* Framed GFP G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] 60* STM-1 G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] 61* STM-4 G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] 62* InfiniBand G.709 ODUflex [This.I-D] 63* SDI (Serial Digital Interface) G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] 64* SDI/1.001 G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] 65* DVB_ASI G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] 66* G.709 ODU-1.25G G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] 67* G.709 ODU-Any G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] 68* Null Test G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] 69* Random Test G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] 70* 64B/66B GFP-F Ethernet G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] Line 930: Add "Upon approval of this document, IANA will define a "OTN Line 931/932 Drop to end of sentence starting with "will be defined by ..." Line 956: add: New values are to be assigned via Standards Action as defined in [RFC5226]. Lines 1006-1023: Aren't these all normative references? That's it, Lou From internet-drafts@ietf.org Sat Jun 15 12:07:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EAC21F9D9D; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:07:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.102, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s7oet-fvTEee; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665AB21F9B22; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:07:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130615190747.12104.71649.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:07:47 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-10.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:07:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS RSVP-TE extensions for OAM Configuration Author(s) : Attila Takacs Don Fedyk Jia He Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-10.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2013-06-15 Abstract: OAM is an integral part of transport connections, hence it is required that OAM functions are activated/deactivated in sync with connection commissioning/decommissioning; avoiding spurious alarms and ensuring consistent operation. In certain technologies, OAM entities are inherently established once the connection is set up, while other technologies require extra configuration to establish and configure OAM entities. This document specifies extensions to RSVP-TE to support the establishment and configuration of OAM entities along with LSP signaling. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-10 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Sat Jun 15 12:37:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9301E21F9E12; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:37:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.101, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZAlrT1ILCm-P; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D949121F9E07; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:37:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130615193708.4964.7799.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:37:08 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-10.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:37:09 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS RSVP-TE Extensions for Ethernet OAM Configuration Author(s) : Attila Takacs Balazs Peter Gero Hao Long Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-10.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2013-06-15 Abstract: The GMPLS controlled Ethernet Label Switching (GELS) work extended GMPLS RSVP-TE to support the establishment of Ethernet LSPs. IEEE Ethernet Connectivity Fault Management (CFM) specifies an adjunct OAM flow to check connectivity in Ethernet networks. CFM can be also used with Ethernet LSPs for fault detection and triggering recovery mechanisms. The ITU-T Y.1731 specification builds on CFM and specifies additional OAM mechanisms, including Performance Monitoring, for Ethernet networks. This document specifies extensions of GMPLS RSVP-TE protocol to support the setup of the associated Ethernet OAM entities of Ethernet LSPs, and defines the Ethernet technology specific TLVs based on [OAM-CONF-FWK]. This document supports, but does not modify, the IEEE and ITU-T OAM mechanisms. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-10 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From prvs=3878dcc2cd=Attila.Takacs@ericsson.com Sat Jun 15 12:43:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2F621F9E0A for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:43:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PzIdhZXojYxk for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg20.ericsson.net (sesbmg20.ericsson.net [193.180.251.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214A821F9E1D for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:43:25 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb38-b7fa16d0000027dd-4c-51bcc3dcd58e Received: from ESESSHC003.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by sesbmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 47.D6.10205.CD3CCB15; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:43:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB201.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.113]) by ESESSHC003.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.27]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:43:24 +0200 From: Attila Takacs To: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (db3546@att.com)" , "Lou Berger (lberger@labn.net)" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-10.txt Thread-Index: AQHOafu+CsEdTxpsQ0qQrKL9tHTv55k3K/nw Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:43:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20130615190747.12104.71649.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20130615190747.12104.71649.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.148] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvre7dw3sCDb53Mls8mXODxeJyVze7 RUfzWxYHZo+X/XMYPZYs+cnk8WFTM1sAcxS3TVJiSVlwZnqevl0Cd8axR7PZC+YJVlyYuIe5 gfE9bxcjJ4eEgInEki2HmSFsMYkL99azdTFycQgJHGWUeHH+CAuEs4RR4s+X/awgVWwCBhIX miczgyREBKYwSvx9+hgsISwQIHF8w1emLkYOoESgxKHV+hCmkcSRffkgJouAqsSJg3IgxbwC vhK3n65iB7GFBBwlXneeYgOxOQWcJF6tvwp2DyPQPd9PrWECsZkFxCVuPZnPBHGngMSSPeeh bhaVePn4HyuErSTRuOQJK0S9jsSC3Z/YIGxtiWULXzND7BWUODnzCcsERtFZSMbOQtIyC0nL LCQtCxhZVjFyFKcWJ+WmGxlsYgRGyMEtvy12MF7+a3OIUZqDRUmc99OpXYFCAumJJanZqakF qUXxRaU5qcWHGJk4OEEEl1QDI2vdF8sTj5llc5m5t4fLHywRd1ksaFgWpV0R/+KpJyPTA+fb 2t7fT7jkzLh3ZxPL0awLO5sZL61KzDv063stR/c3xvcZKhdEQqsCPz5hPSY5x/dgUIOo14+7 decSP72bZJdaacamvmPW9pU2OWIfXbwt5T5WR++92DrTau/OCWm2ne+6A6TKlViKMxINtZiL ihMBrg+0nmMCAAA= Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-10.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:43:35 -0000 Hi all, The following documents have been updated with 2119 language and some small= fixes. -draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-10 -draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-10 Thanks, Attila -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of i= nternet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:08 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-10.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : GMPLS RSVP-TE extensions for OAM Configuration Author(s) : Attila Takacs Don Fedyk Jia He Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-10.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2013-06-15 Abstract: OAM is an integral part of transport connections, hence it is required that OAM functions are activated/deactivated in sync with connection commissioning/decommissioning; avoiding spurious alarms and ensuring consistent operation. In certain technologies, OAM entities are inherently established once the connection is set up, while other technologies require extra configuration to establish and configure OAM entities. This document specifies extensions to RSVP-TE to support the establishment and configuration of OAM entities along with LSP signaling. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-1= 0 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From lberger@labn.net Mon Jun 17 03:49:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2CE21F8793 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:49:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.335 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.335 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.559, BAYES_05=-1.11, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IwX0xrHcaZi2 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DD55921F9B08 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 03:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31715 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2013 10:49:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2013 10:49:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=a7ve5Jqymt+zUwW9ATQW3ABTtw2bZOMBJK4mjQTiuk4=; b=SGJlhZKcXfEwr0jEholzH7BcNby5P4Rxc3CieFd/uwl6Yxtn9N5tAmVIK5PY2YN1izvFPb+9E8VfV7xDQ3DH1eiOBYWTVVT4uKYW82u7ciRNzewYtzPk7Wh1flzP3+ZW; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:48728 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UoX02-0006oJ-0i for ccamp@ietf.org; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:49:26 -0600 Message-ID: <51BEE9B4.1060601@labn.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 06:49:24 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP References: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: Re: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call: g709-framework, g709-info-model, ospf-g709v3, signaling-g709v3 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:49:59 -0000 All, This last call is closed. Editors, Authors, Please conclude any discussions related to LC comments received, update the documents, and then summarize changes to the WG. Also, in the absence of a response we will need to consider how to address the following: > Please note that we're still missing an IPR statement on the 2nd > draft. Any forthcoming publication request will be delayed by late > IPR statements/disclosures. Thank you! Lou On 5/31/2013 12:11 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > This mail begins a 2nd two week working group last call on: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-12 > (Informational) > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-08 > (Informational) > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-06 > (Standards Track) > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-09 > (Standards Track) > > This working group last call ends on June 16. Comments should be > sent to the CCAMP mailing list. Please remember to include the > technical basis for any comments. > > Please note that we're still missing an IPR statement on the 2nd > draft. Any forthcoming publication request will be delayed by late > IPR statements/disclosures. > > Thank you, > Lou (and Deborah) > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Jun 18 18:12:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECC221F99EC; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:12:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.513 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.513 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xKKo-I4lCdkx; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF5021F99DA; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:12:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130619011241.22794.56088.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:12:41 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-13.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:12:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Framework for GMPLS and PCE Control of G.709 Optical Tra= nsport Networks Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Dan Li Han Li Sergio Belotti Daniele Ceccarelli Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-13.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2013-06-18 Abstract: This document provides a framework to allow the development of protocol extensions to support Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) and Path Computation Element (PCE) control of Optical Transport Networks (OTN) as specified in ITU-T Recommendation G.709 as published in 2012. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-13 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From zhangfatai@huawei.com Tue Jun 18 18:16:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1A911E8116 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:16:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JMmLuVv0fy62 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AECC11E8120 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AUA88636; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:16:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.7; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:16:19 +0100 Received: from SZXEML421-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.160) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.7; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:16:50 +0100 Received: from SZXEML552-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.94]) by szxeml421-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.160]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.007; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:16:43 +0800 From: Fatai Zhang To: Lou Berger , CCAMP Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-13.txt Thread-Index: AQHObIqn4aX7ttzhfkWiNVh6vd6zHw== Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:16:42 +0000 Message-ID: References: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> <51BB7710.2020009@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <51BB7710.2020009@labn.net> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.72.159] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-13.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 01:16:59 -0000 Hi Lou and all, A new version has been submitted to address the 2nd WG Last Call comments o= n this draft. Please take a look and any further comments are welcome. Best Regards Fatai -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of L= ou Berger Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:03 AM To: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework@tools.ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call comments on g709-framework (editorial onl= y) Hi, The following are comments as part of my LC review of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-12. Note that I'm the document shepherd, see RFC 4858 for more information. I only have editorial nits, which should be picked up in the next revision of this document. The most major comment I have is that this and the other g709v3 documents should be consistent in usage of "TS granularity" versus "TSG". Sometimes one is used rather than the other, sometimes both are used in the same document (as is the case in this document). Please pick either one and update the four documents to be consistent. Another and related comment is please define and use a consistent plural form of "TS". You initially define "TSs" to expand to "Time Slots", but then use "TS" as the plural form in many (but not all cases). I personally think "TSs" in all plural cases makes the most sense. Line numbers in the following comments can be found at http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttp://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccam= p-gmpls-g709-framework-12.txt Line 96: "suite including provision [RFC4328] provides" This sentence is broken and should be rephrased. perhaps you mean something like: The GMPLS signaling extensions defined in [RFC4328] provide the mechanisms for basic GMPLS control of OTN networks based on the 2001 revision of the G.709 specification. Line 98/9: this is pretty awkward, how about: OLD Later revisions of the G.709 specification, i.e., [G709-2012], has included some new features NEW The 2012 revision of the G.709 specification, [G709-2012], includes new features Line 143: Does it make sense to mention PPM here? suggest dropping. Also need to expand acronym on initial use. Section 3 Given the discussion on the signaling document I think it's worth adding a few words and a reference to [G7041] in this section. Line 258: s/granularity and/granularity, Line 272: s/the 'new' equipment will/[G709-2012] requires 'new' equipment Line 273: s/if/when Line 313: s/TSs/TS Lines 388/9: I think the terminology "flexible optical connections" is not well defined in this context. Either add a reference or drop the word "flexible". Line 390: Add a reference defining 3R. How about adding ", see [RFC6163] for additional information." to the end of the line? Line 438 & 510: Add references for MLN. Line 571-579: Given the documented signaling approach, does it still make sense to mention tolerance here? Line 590: What is a TS type, perhaps you mean "TSG"? Line 598: s/in order to setting up/in order to set up Line 604/5 OLD A new extension object has to be defined NEW A signaling mechanism must be identified Line 667: s/of TS/of each TS Line 681 Suggest dropping "and sufficient" as it is completely unclear what this means. Line 721: remove redundant text "either no priorities or" Lines 752-755: I'm not sure what value this paragraph provides as LMP information is generally available from the management plane (e.g., configuration). Line 758 s/case/cases Line 761: s/the discovering procedure by LMP/discovery via LMP Line 857: Need a reference for "TS auto-negotiation is supported" That's it, Lou _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Jun 18 19:04:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0922B21F99EE; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:03:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.514 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.514 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.086, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xtM+2kVAwwCD; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A5921F99DA; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:03:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130619020358.6635.79398.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:03:58 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-10.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:04:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signa= ling Extensions for the evolving G.709 Optical Transport Networks Control Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Guoying Zhang Sergio Belotti Daniele Ceccarelli Khuzema Pithewan Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-10.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2013-06-18 Abstract: ITU-T Recommendation G.709 [G709-2012] has introduced new Optical channel Data Unit (ODU) containers (ODU0, ODU4, ODU2e and ODUflex) and enhanced Optical Transport Networking (OTN) flexibility. This document provides an alternative to RFC4328 to provide the extensions to the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) signaling to control the full set of OTN features including ODU0, ODU4, ODU2e and ODUflex. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3 There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-= 10 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From zhangfatai@huawei.com Tue Jun 18 19:06:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832D721F9A86 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:06:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by 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14.01.0323.007; Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:06:21 +0800 From: Fatai Zhang To: Lou Berger , CCAMP Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-10.txt Thread-Index: AQHObJGX991QFQCCj0SnZlBuDw3Gew== Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:06:20 +0000 Message-ID: References: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> <51BB95F9.5000401@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <51BB95F9.5000401@labn.net> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.72.159] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-10.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:06:34 -0000 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Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F9921F9BD5; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:03:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.513 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.513 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KhkC6Ru9Mj1q; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C909621F9BD4; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:03:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130620140343.6031.81237.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:03:43 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-12.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:03:45 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Configuration of Pro-Active Operations, Administration, = and Maintenance (OAM) Functions for MPLS-based Transport Networks using RSV= P-TE Author(s) : Elisa Bellagamba Loa Andersson Pontus Skoldstrom Dave Ward Attila Takacs Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-12.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2013-06-20 Abstract: This specification describes the configuration of pro-active MPLS-TP (MPLS-Transport Profile) Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) Functions for a given LSP using a set of TLVs that are carried by the GMPLS RSVP-TE protocol based on [OAM-CONF-FWK]. This document is a product of a joint Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) / International Telecommunication Union Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T) effort to include an MPLS Transport Profile within the IETF MPLS and PWE3 architectures to support the capabilities and functionalities of a packet transport network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext= -12 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From Pontus.Skoldstrom@acreo.se Thu Jun 20 07:08:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2388B21F9CA7 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:08:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.748 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.748 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UaWayOZwdoE9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp6-outgoing.stejtech.net (smtp6.stejtech.net [IPv6:2001:16d8:c001:2073::aaa6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876FA21F9CA9 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:08:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-STAY-ID: _CMAETAG_ Received: from mail.acreo.se (unknown [217.151.196.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp6.stejtech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A3415666DC; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:07:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ACREOEXC02.ad.acreo.se ([::1]) by ACREOEXC02.ad.acreo.se ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 16:07:58 +0200 From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Pontus_Sk=F6ldstr=F6m?= To: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "lberger@labn.net" , "dbrungard@att.com" Thread-Topic: New version of draft-bellagamba-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext Thread-Index: Ac5tvy7AsuTO2DbwTmG17LxR0F6w/A== Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:07:57 +0000 Message-ID: <2D8B43480583CF47B78E7F01B983EF800882AE@ACREOEXC02.ad.acreo.se> Accept-Language: en-US, sv-SE Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [217.151.207.19] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [CCAMP] New version of draft-bellagamba-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:08:06 -0000 Hello everyone,=20 A new version of this draft was just uploaded. The new version addresses al= l comments we are aware off, most of them language/spelling issues. =20 Best regards,=20 Pontus Sk=F6ldstr=F6m, M.Sc. Research Scientist Netlab - Networking and Transmission Laboratory +46 8 632 7731 pontus.skoldstrom@acreo.se =20 Acreo AB =96 Part of Swedish ICT Electrum 236, 164 40 Kista, Sweden www.acreo.se= From db3546@att.com Thu Jun 20 11:58:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F71711E80D3 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:58:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ijsAumLAdmWX for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com [209.65.160.93]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECD221F9FF0 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.20.146] (EHLO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.15.0-1) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 1a053c15.0.332980.00-398.941954.nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:57:42 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 51c350a6166a0165-eeccc3414a810eb092c2591b240d5b9f5788200c Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r5KIvakr029426 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:57:36 -0400 Received: from mlpi409.sfdc.sbc.com (mlpi409.sfdc.sbc.com [130.9.128.241]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r5KIvWL8029325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:57:32 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUB9A.ITServices.sbc.com (misout7msghub9a.itservices.sbc.com [144.151.223.62]) by mlpi409.sfdc.sbc.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:57:18 GMT Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSR9O.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.75]) by MISOUT7MSGHUB9A.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.62]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:57:25 -0400 From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: 2nd WG Last Call on OAM Configuration Documents Thread-Index: Ac5t6ABPZPeYx8wxT0OlCQ7Tv4K91w== Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:57:24 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.16.234.214] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C8302906MISOUT7MSGUSR9OIT_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.20.146] X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=R92076tX c=1 sm=0 a=Qs8R1XBwmid1qBFB/a8mmA==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=RWEAq7CW3jcA:10 a=5AcSa960ZsUA:10 a=ofMgfj31e3cA:10 a=BLc] X-AnalysisOut: [eEmwcHowA:10 a=zQP7CpKOAAAA:8 a=XIqpo32RAAAA:8 a=M0qkTna6Y] X-AnalysisOut: [A4A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=3bu5EQSu-uDhaw-FQ9AA:9 a=CjuIK1q] X-AnalysisOut: [_8ugA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=Hj7rQ7wH8q3] X-AnalysisOut: [rgtAT:21] Subject: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call on OAM Configuration Documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:58:16 -0000 --_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C8302906MISOUT7MSGUSR9OIT_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, This starts a one-week working group last call on the three OAM configurati= on documents which have been updated for 2119 language, inconsistencies amo= ng the documents, and editorial: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-10.txt http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-10.txt http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-12.txt This working group last call ends June 27th. 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This starts a one-week working group last call on the three OAM config= uration documents which have been updated for 2119 language, inconsistencie= s among the documents, and editorial:
 
 
This working group last call ends June 27th. Please send your comment= s to the CCAMP mailing list.
 
Deborah and Lou
 
 
 
 --_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C8302906MISOUT7MSGUSR9OIT_-- From db3546@att.com Fri Jun 21 12:12:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B918821F9C6D for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:12:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BPbdx2Lfce5y for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com [209.65.160.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7BA21F9E5C for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.20.146] (EHLO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.15.0-1) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id c75a4c15.0.1956251.00-401.5472355.nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:11:57 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 51c4a57d310a701d-f8ba1341488bb6e99461dcd6b5d9c5d2f93021c7 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r5LJBuw8023114 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:11:56 -0400 Received: from mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com (mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com [130.9.128.239]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r5LJBo4e023049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:11:51 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUB9F.ITServices.sbc.com (misout7msghub9f.itservices.sbc.com [144.151.223.71]) by mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:11:32 GMT Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSR9O.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.75]) by MISOUT7MSGHUB9F.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.71]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:11:39 -0400 From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Proposed CCAMP Liaison to ITU-T SG15's Q6 on WSON Thread-Index: Ac5usyanh7/ahnApQw6gOdZO1BzgXw== Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:11:38 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.16.234.214] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C830319EMISOUT7MSGUSR9OIT_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.20.146] X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=A9DbydqG c=1 sm=0 a=Qs8R1XBwmid1qBFB/a8mmA==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=RWEAq7CW3jcA:10 a=0vRkpFMcCTIA:10 a=ofMgfj31e3cA:10 a=BLc] X-AnalysisOut: [eEmwcHowA:10 a=zQP7CpKOAAAA:8 a=XIqpo32RAAAA:8 a=FBC36Ras6] X-AnalysisOut: [5wA:10 a=MzP60yBw6JTMgYyPkcUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=8ZyoTx] X-AnalysisOut: [NIUVhS7bT2R2wA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=1qD] X-AnalysisOut: [3N64_mXRrpA-E:21] Subject: [CCAMP] Proposed CCAMP Liaison to ITU-T SG15's Q6 on WSON X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:12:04 -0000 --_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C830319EMISOUT7MSGUSR9OIT_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CCAMP, One of the items which we identified during our WSON meeting discussion was= to ask Q6's input regarding parameters for use to do impairment-aware path= computation. Here's a proposal, the parameters listed are from one of the = drafts. If any additional suggestions, let us know. Let us know if any concerns/comments. Deborah and Lou ---- The CCAMP Working Group of IETF would like to thank the experts of Q.6 that= were able to participate in our recent March meeting in Orlando. We believ= e the discussion was very helpful in progressing our work on WSON (Waveleng= th Switched Optical Networks) and Flexible Grids. During the discussion regarding improving the ability to do impairment-awar= e path computation for path activation, it was noted that ITU-T G.697 defin= es optical monitoring parameters for performing various activities. While s= ome of the ITU-T G.697 parameters may be useful for path computation, not a= ll parameters may be needed, and other non-G.697 parameters may be useful. = We would like to ask for your expert review of a potential list of paramete= rs which may be of use in computation to improve the choice of an optical p= ath to activate when multiple choices are present. We understand this list = would not be exhaustive and it would be system dependent. The aim for this = work is to provide a basis for defining protocol encoding aspects for the p= arameters. It is outside of the scope of CCAMP's work to define the computa= tional models used by a system vendor or operator. Currently, we have noted the following parameters: * OSNR o Power Input (required by OSNR) * Chromatic Dispersion * Differential Group Delay We would appreciate any input which you can provide regarding this list. We would appreciate if you would keep us informed of your progress on ITU-T= G.680 and Flexible Grids. Best regards, Lou Berger and Deborah Brungard IETF CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs --_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C830319EMISOUT7MSGUSR9OIT_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
CCAMP,
 
One of the items which we identified during our WSON meeting discussio= n was to ask Q6’s input regarding parameters for use to do impairment= -aware path computation. Here’s a proposal, the parameters listed are= from one of the drafts. If any additional suggestions, let us know.
 
Let us know if any concerns/comments.
 
Deborah and Lou
 
----
 
The CCAMP Working Group of IETF would like to thank the experts of Q.6= that were able to participate in our recent March meeting in Orlando. We b= elieve the discussion was very helpful in progressing our work on WSON (Wav= elength Switched Optical Networks) and Flexible Grids.
 
During the discussion regarding improving the ability to do impairment= -aware path computation for path activation, it was noted that ITU-T G.697 = defines optical monitoring parameters for performing various activities. Wh= ile some of the ITU-T G.697 parameters may be useful for path computation, not all parameters may be needed, and o= ther non-G.697 parameters may be useful. We would like to ask for your expe= rt review of a potential list of parameters which may be of use in computat= ion to improve the choice of an optical path to activate when multiple choices are present. We understand t= his list would not be exhaustive and it would be system dependent. The aim = for this work is to provide a basis for defining protocol encoding aspects = for the parameters. It is outside of the scope of CCAMP’s work to define the computational models used = by a system vendor or operator.
 
Currently, we have noted the following parameters:
  • OSNR
  • Power Input (required by OSNR)
  • Chromatic Dispersion
  • Differential Group Delay
 
We would appreciate any input which you can provide regarding this lis= t.
 
We would appreciate if you would keep us informed of your progress on = ITU-T G.680 and Flexible Grids.
 
Best regards,
Lou Berger and Deborah Brungard
IETF CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs
 
 
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[127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FA121E8088; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:58:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0iFeC88G8Do7; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAEB21F9F0B; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:58:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130625095855.5384.26727.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:58:55 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-07.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:58:55 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF for Generalized M= PLS (GMPLS) Control of Evolving G.709 OTN Networks Author(s) : Daniele Ceccarelli Diego Caviglia Fatai Zhang Dan Li Sergio Belotti Pietro Vittorio Grandi Rajan Rao Khuzema Pithewan John E Drake Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-07.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2013-06-25 Abstract: This document describes Open Shortest Path First - Traffic Engineering (OSPF-TE) routing protocol extensions to support Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) control of Optical Transport Networks (OTN) specified in ITU-T Recommendation G.709 as published in 2012. It extends mechanisms defined in RFC4203. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3 There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-07 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Tue Jun 25 02:59:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72FF21E808D for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:59:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.051 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.051 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.452, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q-SalLGXf0gi for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg20.ericsson.net (sesbmg20.ericsson.net [193.180.251.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22AB21E804B for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 02:59:27 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb38-b7f476d0000049c9-60-51c969fedf58 Received: from ESESSHC020.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by sesbmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 6A.39.18889.EF969C15; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:59:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB301.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.30]) by ESESSHC020.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.78]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:59:25 +0200 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: Lou Berger , CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: 2nd WG Last Call comments on ospf-g709v3 (editorial only) Thread-Index: AQHOaT5Cf8xlCy0KhEe413e0mrGZ+Zk5kc0QgAADdACAAAOEYA== Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:59:25 +0000 Message-ID: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE480EEBF7@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: it-IT X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.16] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrMLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvre6/zJOBBn8vq1g8mXODxeJvw2sW i47mtywOzB5Llvxk8viwqZnN48vlz2wBzFFcNimpOZllqUX6dglcGXsWfmYs6Paq+L5AuoHx tWUXIyeHhICJxPnO5SwQtpjEhXvr2boYuTiEBI4ySizYtx/KWcwocWDBH/YuRg4ONgEriSeH fEDiIgLLGCUebpjIDtItLOAmsbL1AjOILSLgLvFv020o20liz8VnYDaLgKrEjzftYDavgLfE 75OXWEFsRgFZiQm7FzGC2MwC4hIvpp9gh7hIQGLJnvPMELaoxMvH/1ghbEWJnWch5jAL6Enc mDqFDcLWlli28DXUfEGJkzOfsExgFJ6FZOwsJC2zkLTMQtKygJFlFSNHcWpxUm66kcEmRmDA H9zy22IH4+W/NocYpTlYlMR5P53aFSgkkJ5YkpqdmlqQWhRfVJqTWnyIkYmDU6qBkSVYcbvz D++dZt4bP0e3pYbfbnRR6pY3XGayMUVPY92+jddevCoo2dVUxbd2y/E1ry8+ZlDud+8u7/XM /VI8u8f/rusPm2+uB0NPn9x4MO+E4dEa4dl/j74+9TZuwdKpy+QyTu3LezHTWjf7yqXZD7mv X/m290PKvKATif23q4X75BZ9235+5golluKMREMt5qLiRADEBuxwRgIAAA== Subject: Re: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call comments on ospf-g709v3 (editorial only) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 09:59:40 -0000 Hi Lou, All comments addressed. Some comments in line below. BR Daniele=20 >-----Original Message----- >From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >Sent: venerd=EC 14 giugno 2013 22.32 >To: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3@tools.ietf.org >Subject: 2nd WG Last Call comments on ospf-g709v3 (editorial only) > >Hi, > The following are comments as part of my LC review of=20 >draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-06. Note that I'm the document=20 >shepherd, see RFC 4858 for more information. > >Please see >http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttp://tools.ietf.org/id/draft -ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-06.txt >for line numbers used in this message. > >The draft needs to be nit free before being passed to the IESG. The=20 >following nits show in the above URL: > Miscellaneous warnings: > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >------------- > > =3D=3D Using lowercase 'not' together with uppercase 'MUST', 'SHALL',=20 >'SHOULD', > or 'RECOMMENDED' is not an accepted usage according to RFC 2119. >Please > use uppercase 'NOT' together with RFC 2119 keywords (if that is=20 >what you > mean). > > Found 'MUST not' in this paragraph: > > - Unreserved Bandwidth (32 bits): This field indicates the > Unreserved Bandwidth at a particular priority level. =20 >This field MUST be > set to the bandwidth, in bits/s in IEEE floating point format,=20 >available > at the indicated Signal Type for a particular priority level. One=20 >field > MUST be present for each bit set in the Priority field, and is=20 >ordered to > match the Priority field. Fields MUST not be present for priority=20 >levels > that are not indicated in the Priority field.This field is=20 >REQUIRED for > Type 2 (variable container) TLVs, and MUST NOT be used for Type 1=20 >TLVs. > > -- The document date (April 4, 2013) is 71 days in the past. Is this > intentional? > > > Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >------------- > > (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using normative=20 >references > to lower-maturity documents in RFCs) > > =3D=3D Outdated reference: A later version (-12) exists of > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11 > > =3D=3D Outdated reference: A later version (-08) exists of > draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-05 > > =3D=3D Outdated reference: A later version (-09) exists of > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-05 > >I also have the following editorial comments: > >As with other documents: >- This and the other g709v3 documents should be consistent in usage of=20 >"TS granularity" versus "TSG". Sometimes one is used rather than the=20 >other, sometimes both are used in the same document (as is the case in=20 >this document). Please pick either one and update the four documents=20 >to be consistent. TS granularity use. TSG used only in figures because of room. > >- Another and related comment is please define and use a consistent=20 >plural form of "TS". You initially define "TSs" to expand to "Time=20 >Slots", but then use "TS" as the plural form in many (but not all=20 >cases). I personally think "TSs" in all plural cases makes the most=20 >sense. OK > >- Also same comment for TSGs. > >- Please be consistent in usage of "Gbps". Some inconsistent examples: > "1.25/2.5", "1.25Gps", "1.25 GBps" and "1.25 Gbps". (I personally=20 >prefer the final form, but any common form is fine.) 1.25Gbps and 2.5Gbps > >- RFC 4203 uses the field name "Switching Capability-specific > information" while the document uses "Switch Capability Specific > Information", so throughout the document please > s/Switch Capability/Switching Capability > >- per RFC4203, fix capitalization when referring to the filed name: > s/MAX LSP bandwidth/MAX LSP Bandwidth > >lines 2-5: > Shouldn't this document be identified as an update to 4203? > YES >Lines 24-32: > The Abstract is really in need of a make over. How about something > like the following: > > This document describes Open Shortest Path First - Traffic > Engineering (OSPF-TE) routing protocol extensions to support > Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) control of Optical Transport Networks > (OTN) specified in ITU-T Recommendation G.709 as published in 2012. > It extends mechanisms defined in RFC4203. > >Line 102: > Expand ODU > >Lines 105/6: > Drop "which is being standardized in ITU-T" > >Line 107: > s/the routing process/routing > >Lines 108: > You should mentioned the base OSPF TE document here. How about: > s/OSPF-TE/use in GMPLS OSPF-TE as defined in [RFC4203]. > >Line 115: > s/The routing/Routing > >Line 143-145: > I think this text reads a bit backwards, it is the need for the ISCD > that drives the new type/swcap, not the other way around I also > suggest adding informative reference to > draft-ietf-ccamp-swcaps-update, perhaps something like: > > OLD > This > leads to the need to define a new Switching Capability value and > associated new Switching Capability for the Interface Switching > Capability Descriptor (ISCD). > NEW > These capabilities are carried in the Interface Switching > Capability Descriptor (ISCD) Switching Capability-specific > information field using formats defined in this document. > As discussed in [swcaps-update], the use of a technology specific > Switching Capability-specific information field necessitates > the definition of a new Switching Capability value and > associated new Switching Capability. > OK >Line 178: > Drop "on this traffic card" > >Lines 192/3: > "The TE-Link is referred to as OTUk-TE-Link." > This term is used just once in the document. Suggest dropping it. > OK >Lines 193/4: > Doesn't the TE link for an OTUk physical Link always provide ODUk > capacity? Either way this text needs to be fixed/clarified. What about dropping all of this text: The TE-Link is 193 referred to as OTUk-TE-Link. The OTUk-TE-Link advertises ODUj 194 switching capacity. The advertised capacity could include ODUk 195 switching capacity.=20 > >Lines 196, 206: > Is this an OTUk or ODUk TE link? You first says the former then the > latter. I suspect you mean former, i.e., s/ODUk/OTUk > OK >Line 209/10: > "Such TE-Links are also termed ODUk-TE-Links." > This term is used just once in the document. Suggest dropping it. OK > >Lines 210-212,221: > ODUj vs ODUk. Isn't it the case that a multi hop TE link could > represent either ODUj or ODUk resources? This isn't clear from the > current text/usage of ODUj/k. > New text: It is possible to create TE-Links that span more than one hop by cre= ating FA between non-adjacent nodes.=20 As in the one hop case, these types of ODUk-TE-Links also advertise ODU sw= itching capacity.=20 >Line 229: > s/[RFC4202]/and is defined in [RFC4203] > >Lines 249-257: > The document already says 4203 MUST be followed, so no need to=20 >provide > normative language for 4203-defined behavior. Specifically: > s/field MUST be used/field is used > s/MUST be in/is in > >Lines 286/7: > Isn't this sentence redundant with the prior sentence? Suggest > dropping. > OK >Line 291: > s/OTN ISCD/OTN-TDM ISCD > >Line 293/4: > Types are defined in this document. > Suggest adding: > Note that type values are defined in this document and not=20 >[RFC3630]. > >Line 301: > SCSI acronym not defined. > >Line 301,302: > s/any/each > >Line 302: > To clarify and to add a transition to the next paragraph, I suggest > adding something along the lines of: > Each container type is identified by a Signal Type. Signal Type > values are defined in [OTN-SIG]. OK > >Line 469/470: > The sentence starting "This field is ..." isn't used consistently > (i.e., not present for Unreserved ODUj, Unreserved Padding, and > Maximum LSP Bandwidth). It should be dropped, or parallel > statements should be added for the other cases. > dropped >Line 1112: > I think the first sentence is a bit hard to follow. How about: > OLD > This document, as [RFC4203], specifies > NEW > This document extends [RFC4203]. As with[RFC4203], it specifies ok > >Line 1133: > s/Type/Name > >Line 1145: > How about the following as the registry name: > "Types for sub-TLVs of OTN-TDM SCSI (Switch Capability Specific=20 >Information)" > >Lines 1153-1159 > To be aligned with what you want to see with the registry, and fix=20 >type 2 description: > > Value Sub-TLV Reference > 0 Reserved [This.I-D] > 1 Unreserved Bandwidth [This.I-D] > for fixed containers > 2 Unreserved/Max Bandwidth [This.I-D] > for flexible containers >=20 ok >Lines 1161/2 > You some parts of the IANA "formula", how about: > OLD > New TLV type values may be allocated only by an IETF Consensus > action. The request Registration Procedures are Standards Action. > New > Types are to be assigned via Standards Action as defined in > [RFC5226]. > >Lines 1247-1249: > Shouldn't [G.709-2012] be normative? yes > >That's it, >Lou > >= From lberger@labn.net Tue Jun 25 10:58:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBC111E8122 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:58:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3seM4OkbNv3N for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0062A11E811E for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24223 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jun 2013 17:58:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2013 17:58:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=UzpoOTZy1OEBj6qpXkjae0ieBJEfwLDzUb54THLPCSM=; b=XRcD3aBt/nTlu7z5Cw7UHJCAOBlCHAMmFkFpoGTgr/Nmf2IECb62GDI32PCs24lT+4WdQw6vFOSs9gPMDzPydxzknPUWDREkJNLNbVWenWxbTcHWD429seb+Ra4rugLW; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:34425 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrXVY-0003dm-4G; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:58:24 -0600 Message-ID: <51C9DA43.90800@labn.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:58:27 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fatai Zhang References: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> <51BB95F9.5000401@labn.net> <5DF87403A81B0C43AF3EB1626511B29272C4F270@RCHEXMBP1.fnc.net.local> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-10.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 17:59:00 -0000 Fatai, I think both my and Fred's comments can be addressed by the following: s/(2.5Gbps, +/-100ppm)/2.5Gbps s/no longer/not or in the long form: OLD As shown in Figure 1, assume there is an ODUflex(CBR) service requesting a bandwidth of (2.5Gbps, +/-100ppm) from node A to node C. In other words, the ODUflex Traffic Parameters indicate that Signal Type is 20 (ODUflex(CBR)), Bit_Rate is 2.5Gbps (Note that the tolerance is no longer signaled as explained above). NEW As shown in Figure 1, assume there is an ODUflex(CBR) service requesting a bandwidth of 2.5Gbps from node A to node C. In other words, the ODUflex Traffic Parameters indicate that Signal Type is 20 (ODUflex(CBR)), Bit_Rate is 2.5Gbps (Note that the tolerance is not signaled as explained above). Fred, Does this work for you? Lou On 6/24/2013 9:22 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Fred, > > I added this sentence because of a comment from Lou (It is "Tolerance no longer signaled. Suggest saying as much"). > > I am OK to remove this sentence, but I would like to hear from Lou (either remove or refine it). > > > > > > > Best Regards > > Fatai > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gruman, Fred [mailto:fred.gruman@us.fujitsu.com] > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 9:52 PM > To: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger; CCAMP > Subject: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-10.txt > > Hello Fatai, > > I have one comment on Section 5.1. In this section, there is the following text: "Note that the tolerance is no longer signaled as explained above". > > I believe this sentence should be removed as tolerance was never signaled in a published RFC, only in early versions of the G.709 signaling drafts. This may be confusing to the reader once the RFC is published as the context to early drafts is lost. > > Best Regards, > Fred > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fatai Zhang > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:06 PM > To: Lou Berger; CCAMP > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-10.txt > > Hi Lou and all, > > A new version has been submitted to address the 2nd WG Last Call comments on this draft. > > Please take a look and any further comments are appreciated. > > > > > Best Regards > > Fatai > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:15 AM > To: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call comments on signaling-g709v3 (editorial only) > > Hi, > The following are comments as part of my LC review of > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-09. Note that I'm the document > shepherd, see RFC 4858 for more information. > > As with other documents: > - This and the other g709v3 documents should be consistent in usage of > "TS granularity" versus "TSG". Sometimes one is used rather than the > other, sometimes both are used in the same document (as is the case in > this document). Please pick either one and update the four documents to > be consistent. > > - Another and related comment is please define and use a consistent > plural form of "TS". You initially define "TSs" to expand to "Time > Slots", but then use "TS" as the plural form in many (but not all > cases). I personally think "TSs" in all plural cases makes the most sense. > > - Also same comment for TSGs. > > - Please be consistent in usage of "Gbps". Some inconsistent examples: > "1.25Gps", "1.25 Gbps" and "1.25 Gbps". (I personally > prefer the final form, but any common form is fine.) > > Please see > http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-09.txt > for line numbers used in this message. > > Line 47: > s/updates/provides an alternative to > > Line 49: > s/evolving OTN addressing ODUk multiplexing and new/full set of OTN > > Line 97: > s/updates/provides an alternative to > > Line 132: > s/[G.709-V3]/[G709-2012] > > Line 143: > drop "needs to be updated because it" > > Line 330: > "Here:" what? Do you mean "Where:"? > > Line 373: > s/PATH/Path > > Line 379: > s/MAY not/may not > > Lines 388/9: > Tolerance no longer signaled. Suggest saying as much. > > Lines 581: > s/ignored/ignored on receipt. > > Section 6. > You should consistently use formal object names throughout this > section, which can be found at > http://www.iana.org/assignments/rsvp-parameters/rsvp-parameters.xml. > e.g, "Label Set" --> "LABEL_SET Object". > > Line 591: > s/MAY not/need not > > Line 611: > As repeating whats in 3473, suggest lower case usage of 2119 terms. > > Line 624,625,626/7: > s/TS type/TSG > > Line 879. > How about adding to the beginning of the paragraph something along the > lines of: > This document is a modification to [RFC3473] and [RFC4328], and only > differs in specific information communicated. As such, this document > ... > > Lines 888-897 > How about: > Upon approval of this document, IANA will make the following > assignments in the "Class Types or C-Types ‒ 9 FLOWSPEC" and > "Class Types or C-Types ‒ 12 SENDER_TSPEC" section of the "RSVP > Parameters" registry located at > http://www.iana.org/assignments/rsvp-parameters/rsvp-parameters.xml > > Value Description Reference > 7* OTN-TDM [This.I-D] > > (*) Suggested value > > Lines 905-909: > Drop lines > > Line 911->928: > to match registry, Replace with: > Value Type Technology Reference > ===== ====================== ========== > 47 G.709 ODU-2.5G G.709 ODUk [RFC4328], > (IANA to update Type field) [This.I-D] > 56 SBCON/ESCON G.709 ODUk, [RFC4328], > (IANA to update Type field) Lambda, Fiber [This.I-D] > 59* Framed GFP G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] > 60* STM-1 G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] > 61* STM-4 G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] > 62* InfiniBand G.709 ODUflex [This.I-D] > 63* SDI (Serial Digital Interface) G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] > 64* SDI/1.001 G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] > 65* DVB_ASI G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] > 66* G.709 ODU-1.25G G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] > 67* G.709 ODU-Any G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] > 68* Null Test G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] > 69* Random Test G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] > 70* 64B/66B GFP-F Ethernet G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] > > Line 930: > Add "Upon approval of this document, IANA will define a "OTN > > Line 931/932 > Drop to end of sentence starting with "will be defined by ..." > > Line 956: > add: > New values are to be assigned via Standards Action as defined in > [RFC5226]. > > Lines 1006-1023: > Aren't these all normative references? > > That's it, > Lou > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > From lberger@labn.net Tue Jun 25 11:10:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7765621F9A71 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:10:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.432 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.432 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.167, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O+pfH9GDguMR for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com [50.87.16.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CEA8F21F9C74 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3243 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jun 2013 18:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy12.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2013 18:10:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=WEuetBYUnEBimSI6vPo5KSlWTCNwWy/Wxq1tDUkoxjc=; b=wFLgydk+lKffOvYw6eennEnVVg04hhhTbrNcTKVKDwpVOky7Ire/m6PRrkkvi3chX//1/eAAEHcSUurrnLm2QjbolTeoemiiBzLJWFexUd2hAuGDDDBOQ6dFSps19gCT; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:36729 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrXgr-0001VT-Mt; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:10:05 -0600 Message-ID: <51C9DD01.2030605@labn.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:10:09 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniele Ceccarelli References: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE480EEBF7@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE480EEBF7@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call comments on ospf-g709v3 (editorial only) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:10:34 -0000 Daniele, Please see below. I trimmed the text down a bit, let me know if I missed any discussion points. On 6/25/2013 5:59 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Hi Lou, > > All comments addressed. Some comments in line below. > Much thanks: The following nits will need to be fixed in the next rev (and before going to the IESG) == Missing Reference: 'RFC5226' is mentioned on line 1162, but not defined == Unused Reference: 'RFC4202' is defined on line 1237, but no explicit reference was found in the text > BR > Daniele > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> Sent: venerdì 14 giugno 2013 22.32 >> To: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3@tools.ietf.org >> Subject: 2nd WG Last Call comments on ospf-g709v3 (editorial only) >> >> Hi, >> The following are comments as part of my LC review of >> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-06. Note that I'm the document >> shepherd, see RFC 4858 for more information. >> >> Please see >> http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft > -ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-06.txt >> for line numbers used in this message. ... >> Lines 192/3: >> "The TE-Link is referred to as OTUk-TE-Link." >> This term is used just once in the document. Suggest dropping it. >> > > OK still TBD. > >> Lines 193/4: >> Doesn't the TE link for an OTUk physical Link always provide ODUk >> capacity? Either way this text needs to be fixed/clarified. > > What about dropping all of this text: > The TE-Link is > 193 referred to as OTUk-TE-Link. The OTUk-TE-Link advertises ODUj > 194 switching capacity. The advertised capacity could include ODUk > 195 switching capacity. sure. ... >> >> Lines 210-212,221: >> ODUj vs ODUk. Isn't it the case that a multi hop TE link could >> represent either ODUj or ODUk resources? This isn't clear from the >> current text/usage of ODUj/k. >> > > > New text: > > It is possible to create TE-Links that span more than one hop by creating > FA between non-adjacent nodes. > As in the one hop case, these types of ODUk-TE-Links also advertise ODU switching > capacity. why not just align with the figure name and use "Multiple hop TE-Link" rather than introduce a new otherwise unused term "ODUk-TE-Links"? ... Thanks, Lou From giomarti@cisco.com Tue Jun 25 13:50:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383B911E8131 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UDl52glCM1Ra for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAAA21F9BAB for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:50:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=11870; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1372193426; x=1373403026; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=OyvKdqdnDQahEEji3EtQJ3WSav9n/HRnLoKCB4Gm/cw=; b=eiGqfQjowCPq5PWPrIQqUeTzM1t5mnAMtQt/101Uj42Sn34IibzfLW15 lWUxn8i2c9HYuozs95UkcoGwV0Z16CsTmkeEnfrz653QNdK0o9zE7olsD 6y4NSEWTANS6p/atNgxsA03fE2EXA6F9NolEzdrxMKndGoXQcLMGH5fSm w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoUFABMCylGtJXHB/2dsb2JhbABagkVEMUm/OYEGFnSCJAEBBAEBAWgDCxACAQgiHQcnCxQRAQEEDgUIiAYMukUEjhSBAC0EB4MCYQOpB4MQgig X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.87,939,1363132800"; d="scan'208,217";a="227325763" Received: from rcdn-core2-6.cisco.com ([173.37.113.193]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Jun 2013 20:50:25 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com [173.37.183.80]) by rcdn-core2-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r5PKoPVD025595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:50:25 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com ([169.254.4.194]) by xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com ([173.37.183.80]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:50:25 -0500 From: "Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti)" To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Proposed CCAMP Liaison to ITU-T SG15's Q6 on WSON Thread-Index: Ac5usyanh7/ahnApQw6gOdZO1BzgXwDXF9sA Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:50:24 +0000 Message-ID: <0D7F95913F470A4B83AB5F5833A4390D0E0EAD48@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.169.44] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_0D7F95913F470A4B83AB5F5833A4390D0E0EAD48xmbrcdx14ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Proposed CCAMP Liaison to ITU-T SG15's Q6 on WSON X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:50:35 -0000 --_000_0D7F95913F470A4B83AB5F5833A4390D0E0EAD48xmbrcdx14ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Deborah / Lou, here my comments: 1/ I'm generally ok with the text. As mentioned, not all parameters listed = in G.680 reference model are available in G.697 (DGD and PDL are missing), = so here below my proposed little change. old: "Currently, we have noted the following parameters: * OSNR * Power Input (required by OSNR) * Chromatic Dispersion * Differential Group Delay " new: "Currently, we have noted the following parameters from the G.680 reference= models:" * OSNR * Power Input (required by OSNR) * Chromatic Dispersion * Differential Group Delay * PMD * PDL" 2/ I'm wondering if it worth asking about progress on models for new cohere= nt modulation formats since they may change optical network design and henc= e influence path computation. A minimal proposed text change could be: old: "We would appreciate if you would keep us informed of your progress on ITU-= T G.680 and Flexible Grids." new: "We would appreciate if you would keep us informed of your progress on ITU-= T G.680, coherent modulation formats and Flexible Grids." 3/ Application Code vs Optical Interface Classes This is not for the impairment case but for the wson-rwa case. We defined the optical interface class as IETF concept that can implement I= TU application codes. ITU application code are used as the canonical way to= assess the signal compatibility (required by RWA). As such, within the draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-wson-encode-20 section 4.2, we pro= vide an encoding for the application codes. It would worth to ask ITU a do= uble check and/or review of such encoding. Could it be done through this li= aison or do we need a specific one? Cheers G On Jun 21, 2013, at 21:11 , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" > wrote: CCAMP, One of the items which we identified during our WSON meeting discussion was= to ask Q6=92s input regarding parameters for use to do impairment-aware pa= th computation. Here=92s a proposal, the parameters listed are from one of = the drafts. If any additional suggestions, let us know. Let us know if any concerns/comments. Deborah and Lou ---- The CCAMP Working Group of IETF would like to thank the experts of Q.6 that= were able to participate in our recent March meeting in Orlando. We believ= e the discussion was very helpful in progressing our work on WSON (Waveleng= th Switched Optical Networks) and Flexible Grids. During the discussion regarding improving the ability to do impairment-awar= e path computation for path activation, it was noted that ITU-T G.697 defin= es optical monitoring parameters for performing various activities. While s= ome of the ITU-T G.697 parameters may be useful for path computation, not a= ll parameters may be needed, and other non-G.697 parameters may be useful. = We would like to ask for your expert review of a potential list of paramete= rs which may be of use in computation to improve the choice of an optical p= ath to activate when multiple choices are present. We understand this list = would not be exhaustive and it would be system dependent. The aim for this = work is to provide a basis for defining protocol encoding aspects for the p= arameters. It is outside of the scope of CCAMP=92s work to define the compu= tational models used by a system vendor or operator. Currently, we have noted the following parameters: * OSNR * Power Input (required by OSNR) * Chromatic Dispersion * Differential Group Delay We would appreciate any input which you can provide regarding this list. We would appreciate if you would keep us informed of your progress on ITU-T= G.680 and Flexible Grids. Best regards, Lou Berger and Deborah Brungard IETF CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --_000_0D7F95913F470A4B83AB5F5833A4390D0E0EAD48xmbrcdx14ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Deborah / Lou,

here my comments:
 
1/ I'm generally ok with the text. As ment= ioned, not all parameters listed in G.680 reference model are available in = G.697 (DGD and PDL are missing), so here below my proposed little change.

old:
"Currently, we have noted the following parameters:
  • OSNR
  • Power Input (required by OSNR)
  • Chromatic Dispersion
  • Differential Group Delay
"
new:
"Currently, we have noted the following parameters fr= om the G.680 reference models:"
  • OSNR
  • Power Input (required by OSNR)
  • Chromatic Dispersion
  • Differential Group Delay
  • PMD
    • <= li>PDL"

2/ I'm wondering if it worth asking about = progress on models for new coherent modulation formats since they may chang= e optical network design and hence influence path computation. A minimal pr= oposed text change could be:
old:
"We would appreciate if you would keep us informed of yo= ur progress on ITU-T G.680 and Flexible Grids."
new:
"We would appreciate if you would keep us informed of yo= ur progress on ITU-T G.680, coherent modulation formats and Flexible Grids.= "


3/ Application Code vs Optical Interface C= lasses
This is not for the impairment case but fo= r the wson-rwa case. 
We defined the optical interface class as = IETF concept that can implement ITU application codes. ITU application code= are used as the canonical way to assess the signal compatibility (required= by RWA).
As such, within the draft-ietf-ccamp-rwa-w= son-encode-20 section 4.2, we provide an encoding for the application codes= .  It would worth to ask ITU a double check and/or review of such enco= ding. Could it be done through this liaison or do we need a specific one?

Cheers
G



On Jun 21, 2013, at 21:11 , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" <db3546@att.com> wrote:

CCAMP,
 
One of the items which we identified during our WSON meeting discussio= n was to ask Q6=92s input regarding parameters for use to do impairment-awa= re path computation. Here=92s a proposal, the parameters listed are from on= e of the drafts. If any additional suggestions, let us know.
 
Let us know if any concerns/comments.
 
Deborah and Lou
 
----
 
The CCAMP Working Group of IETF would like to thank the experts of Q.6= that were able to participate in our recent March meeting in Orlando. We b= elieve the discussion was very helpful in progressing our work on WSON (Wav= elength Switched Optical Networks) and Flexible Grids.
 
During the discussion regarding improving the ability to do impairment= -aware path computation for path activation, it was noted that ITU-T G.697 = defines optical monitoring parameters for performing various activities. Wh= ile some of the ITU-T G.697 parameters may be useful for path computation, not all parameters may be needed, and = other non-G.697 parameters may be useful. We would like to ask for your exp= ert review of a potential list of parameters which may be of use in computa= tion to improve the choice of an optical path to activate when multiple choices are present. We understand = this list would not be exhaustive and it would be system dependent. The aim= for this work is to provide a basis for defining protocol encoding aspects= for the parameters. It is outside of the scope of CCAMP=92s work to define the computational models used by = a system vendor or operator.
 
Currently, we have noted the following parameters:
  • OSNR
  • Power Input (required by OSNR)
  • Chromatic Dispersion
  • Differential Group Delay
 
We would appreciate any input which you can provide regarding this lis= t.
 
We would appreciate if you would keep us informed of your progress on = ITU-T G.680 and Flexible Grids.
 
Best regards,
Lou Berger and Deborah Brungard
IETF CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs
 
 
_______________________________________________
CCAMP mailing list
CCAMP@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.or= g/mailman/listinfo/ccamp

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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element Constrain= ts Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Young Lee Jianrui Han Greg Bernstein Yunbin Xu Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2013-06-26 Abstract: Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be used to control a wide variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g., MPLS), time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (lambdas), and spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port or fiber). In some of these technologies network elements and links may impose additional routing constraints such as asymmetric switch connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label range limitations on links. This document describes OSPF routing protocol extensions to support these kinds of constraints under the control of Generalized MPLS (GMPLS). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints= -ospf-te There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-= te-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constrain= ts-ospf-te-05 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Jun 26 14:23:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC48221F9ABD; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:23:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.101, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5fk0aycFKxvQ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D8121F9AC8; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:23:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130626212357.2165.84979.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:23:57 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 21:23:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element Constrain= ts Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Young Lee Jianrui Han Greg Bernstein Yunbin Xu Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2013-06-26 Abstract: Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be used to control a wide variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g., MPLS), time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (lambdas), and spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port or fiber). In some of these technologies network elements and links may impose additional routing constraints such as asymmetric switch connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label range limitations on links. This document describes OSPF routing protocol extensions to support these kinds of constraints under the control of Generalized MPLS (GMPLS). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints= -ospf-te There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-= te-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constrain= ts-ospf-te-05 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From leeyoung@huawei.com Wed Jun 26 14:36:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7489321F9702 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:36:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nA1clIzAFPy5 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A031921F965B for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AUK87146; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 21:36:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.7; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:35:13 +0100 Received: from DFWEML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.102) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.7; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:36:07 +0100 Received: from dfweml511-mbs.china.huawei.com ([169.254.15.12]) by dfweml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.102]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.007; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:36:02 -0700 From: Leeyoung To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt Thread-Index: AQHOcrOj7C9bNjkR9k24PfJAUBWzzJlIgwAg Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 21:36:00 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E172915810C@dfweml511-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.136.29] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 21:36:22 -0000 Hi, This is just to revive the expired WG draft. No change was made except some= editorials.=20 Regards, Young -----Original Message----- From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of i= nternet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:24 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-osp= f-te-05.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : OSPF-TE Extensions for General Network Element Constrain= ts Author(s) : Fatai Zhang Young Lee Jianrui Han Greg Bernstein Yunbin Xu Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-te-05.tx= t Pages : 13 Date : 2013-06-26 Abstract: Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching can be used to control a wide variety of technologies including packet switching (e.g., MPLS), time-division (e.g., SONET/SDH, OTN), wavelength (lambdas), and spatial switching (e.g., incoming port or fiber to outgoing port or fiber). In some of these technologies network elements and links may impose additional routing constraints such as asymmetric switch connectivity, non-local label assignment, and label range limitations on links. This document describes OSPF routing protocol extensions to support these kinds of constraints under the control of Generalized MPLS (GMPLS). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints= -ospf-te There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constraints-ospf-= te-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-general-constrain= ts-ospf-te-05 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From internet-drafts@ietf.org Thu Jun 27 01:44:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E837921F9C81; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 01:44:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.535 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.535 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g6IO+Qh0baAF; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 01:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270C521F9C7B; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 01:44:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130627084441.10355.1490.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 01:44:41 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-09.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:44:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Evaluation of existing GMPLS encoding against G.709v3 Op= tical Transport Networks (OTN) Author(s) : Sergio Belotti Pietro Vittorio Grandi Daniele Ceccarelli Diego Caviglia Fatai Zhang Dan Li Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-09.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2013-06-27 Abstract: ITU-T recommendation G.709 [G.709-2012] has introduced new fixed and flexible Optical Data Unit (ODU) containers in Optical Transport Networks (OTNs). This document provides an evaluation of existing Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) routing and signaling protocols against the G.709 [G.709-2012] OTN networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-09 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Thu Jun 27 01:46:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0905321F9607 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 01:46:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E9f-mbFouYV8 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 01:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw1.ericsson.se (mailgw1.ericsson.se [193.180.251.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B85921F9007 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 01:46:23 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-b7fec6d000002a90-ae-51cbfbdd85af Received: from ESESSHC001.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw1.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 48.A9.10896.DDBFBC15; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:46:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB301.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.30]) by ESESSHC001.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.21]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:46:21 +0200 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: Lou Berger , CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call comments on g709-info-model (editorial) Thread-Index: AQHOaTpuzSoI971SqEuhNRpBv8IzB5lGhDXY Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:46:20 +0000 Message-ID: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE480FA0A2@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> References: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net>,<51BB7741.5060302@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <51BB7741.5060302@labn.net> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.16] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrFLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvre6936cDDf7M4bR4MucGi8WU2d9Z LDqa37I4MHssWfKTyePDpmY2jy+XP7MFMEdx2aSk5mSWpRbp2yVwZTR85i34o1LxZuNltgbG K7JdjJwcEgImEjufbGWGsMUkLtxbz9bFyMUhJHCYUWLR1ylQzmJGiR/ffwA5HBxsAlYSTw75 gMRFBFYxSjRs7WME6RYW8JF4/+AvG4gtIhAg8fpIF5RtJPHw6VGwDSwCqhJfNq1iB7F5Bbwl HmzrA6sREnCUONN+EyzOKaAhceDdUyYQm1FAVmLC7kVg85kFxCVuPZnPBHGpgMSSPeehrhaV ePn4HyuErSix82w7M0S9nsSNqVPYIGxtiWULXzND7BWUODnzCcsERtFZSMbOQtIyC0nLLCQt CxhZVjGy5yZm5qSXG25iBMbHwS2/dXcwnjoncohRmoNFSZz3w6ldgUIC6YklqdmpqQWpRfFF pTmpxYcYmTg4pRoYZ8tIK0k4yOzbPHlFwN+I25c22L+x+xdze+3ObfM8XS+vbovz2vPz6LSY 5qKw670mM9WkOTd2zLl/+TVrfkTzg7nvF9Y/M/i6/feWbwHqV+Q51z9/qib5KFYuyC17v2bi HPvHPrJ2+//v3Cj6JFWcSXIbwxzX/b7PXmX4yr1ete6MRpjzdiuVDCWW4oxEQy3mouJEAPOH VKZdAgAA Subject: [CCAMP] R: 2nd WG Last Call comments on g709-info-model (editorial) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 08:46:29 -0000 Hi Lou, all comments have been addressed, just some minor comments: 1. TS granularity and 1.25/2.5Gbps aligned with other IDs 2. Lines 452-457 dropped as issue already explained in lines 401-409. BR Daniele & Sergio ________________________________________ Da: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] per conto di Lou Berger= [lberger@labn.net] Inviato: venerd=EC 14 giugno 2013 22.04 A: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model@tools.ietf.org Oggetto: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call comments on g709-info-model (editorial) Hi, The following are comments as part of my LC review of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-08. Note that I'm the document shepherd, see RFC 4858 for more information. Please see http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttp://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccam= p-otn-g709-info-model-08.txt for line numbers used in this message. The draft needs to be nit free before being passed to the IESG. The following nits show in the above URL: Checking references for intended status: Informational ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC3630' is defined on line 831, but no explici= t reference was found in the text =3D=3D Unused Reference: 'RFC5250' is defined on line 853, but no explici= t reference was found in the text =3D=3D Outdated reference: A later version (-06) exists of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-04 =3D=3D Outdated reference: A later version (-12) exists of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11 =3D=3D Outdated reference: A later version (-09) exists of draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-05 I also have the following editorial comments: - From my comments on the framework document: this and the other g709v3 documents should be consistent in usage of "TS granularity" versus "TSG". Sometimes one is used rather than the other, sometimes both are used in the same document (as is the case in this document). Please pick either one and update the four documents to be consistent. - Another and related comment is please define and use a consistent plural form of "TS". You initially define "TSs" to expand to "Time Slots", but then use "TS" as the plural form in many (but not all cases). I personally think "TSs" in all plural cases makes the most sense. - Also same comment for TSGs. - please be consistent in usage of "Gbps". Some inconsistent examples: "1.25/2.5", "1.25Gbps", "1.25 GBps" and "1.25 Gbps". (I personally prefer the final form, but any common form is fine.) Line 24: s/methods/protocols Lines 88-97: Section 1 This section is a bit odd in what it says and doesn't say. How about something along the following as a replacement: GMPLS routing and signaling, as defined by [RFC4203], [RFC3473] and [RFC4328], provides the mechanisms for basic GMPLS control of OTN networks based on the 2001 revision of the G.709 specification. The 2012 revision of the G.709 specification, [G709-2012], includes new OTN features which are not supported by GMPLS. This document provides an evaluation of exiting GMPLS signaling and routing protocols against G.709 [G.709-2012] requirements. Background information and a framework for the GMPLS protocol extensions need to support [G.709-2012] is provided in [OTN-FWK]. Specific routing and signaling extensions are defined in [OTN-OSPF] and [OTN-RSVP]. Line 214: s/2,5/2.5 Line 257: Do you perhaps mean "This distinction" rather than "The discrimination"? Line 292: s/r[/[ Line 300: AUTOpayloadtype needs a reference Line 320: s/TS size/TSG Line 322/3: I think the 1st sentence cane be dropped (as it really just says "On the other side the client TSG is the TSG that is exported towards the client layer.") Line 412: s/like/such as Line 416 s/his/its Lines 452-457: This paragraph is incomprehensible. I tried to come up with suggested, but failed as I'm not sure what is being made. Line 461: A guess: s/so to have a more precise choice capability./to enable precise path selection Line 464: s/allowed/possible Section 17. The choice of which documents are informative and which are normative seems a bit random. I'm not too sure what a normative reference really means in this type of informational document in any case, but clearly the itu data plane documents should be normative if any references are identified as such. That's it, Lou _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp= From tsbsg15@itu.int Thu Jun 27 02:08:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AB021F9349 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:08:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.178 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.178 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EByhTo-DiBoG for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eu3sys201aog105.obsmtp.com (eu3sys201aog105.obsmtp.com [207.126.148.95]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 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(Postfix) with ESMTP id 7984A11E8111; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:39:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Liaison Statement Management Tool To: Peter.Stassar@huawei.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.51.p2 Message-ID: <20130626233919.25280.42002.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:39:19 -0700 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:36:12 -0700 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, The IETF Chair , The IESG , tsbsg15@itu.int, panslow@ciena.com Subject: [CCAMP] New Liaison Statement, "CCAMP Liaison to ITU-T SG15's Q6 on WSON" X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 23:39:20 -0000 Title: CCAMP Liaison to ITU-T SG15's Q6 on WSON Submission Date: 2013-06-26 URL of the IETF Web page: http://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1263/ From: The IETF (John Drake ) To: ITU-T SG 15 (Peter.Stassar@huawei.com) Cc: John Drake Scott Mansfield The IETF Chair The IESG ,tsbsg15@it= u.int,lyong@ciena.com,Steve.Trowbridge@alcatel-lucent.com,greg.jones@itu.in= t,panslow@ciena.com,db3546@att.com,lberger@labn.net,ccamp@ietf.org Reponse Contact: jdrake@juniper.net Technical Contact: jdrake@juniper.net Purpose: For information Body: The CCAMP Working Group of IETF would like to thank the experts of Q.= 6 that were able to participate in our recent March meeting in Orlando. We = believe the discussion was very helpful in progressing our work on WSON (Wa= velength Switched Optical Networks) and Flexible Grids. = During the discussion regarding improving the ability to do impairment-awar= e path computation for path activation, it was noted that ITU-T G.697 defin= es optical monitoring parameters for performing various activities. While s= ome of the ITU-T G.697 parameters may be useful for path computation, not a= ll parameters may be needed, and other non-G.697 parameters may be useful. = We would like to ask for your expert review of a potential list of paramete= rs which may be of use in computation to improve the choice of an optical p= ath to activate when multiple choices are present. We understand this list = would not be exhaustive and it would be system dependent. The aim for this = work is to provide a basis for defining protocol encoding aspects for the p= arameters. It is outside of the scope of CCAMP=E2=80=99s work to define the= computational models used by a system vendor or operator. = Currently, we have noted the following parameters from the G.680 reference = models: =E2=80=A2 OSNR =E2=80=A2 Power Input (required by OSNR) =E2=80=A2 Chromatic Dispersion =E2=80=A2 Differential Group Delay =E2=80=A2 PMD =E2=80=A2 PDL = We would appreciate any input which you can provide regarding this list. = We would appreciate if you would keep us informed of your progress on ITU-T= G.680, coherent modulation formats, and Flexible Grids. = Best regards, Lou Berger and Deborah Brungard IETF CCAMP Working Group Co-Chairs Attachments: No document has been attached From lberger@labn.net Fri Jun 28 09:52:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F4121F9C0C for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:52:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zhwh4BTHlu-v for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com (oproxy9.bluehost.com [69.89.24.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A48021F9C0B for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 09:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26409 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jun 2013 16:48:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2013 16:48:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=lw7ip2ZVqP+wUrq7HH1UJQCNuKU0tluGZz6Ef/Xwioc=; b=h410NYpuEJ+9q2ltjP1srD4H8UJy0tNcjVM8yPyz9mWo5lUqHVnXeGJ7yCbIvCsL11i+wAW6R5Mhi1i5E+kw42F5unDxIX/v3YTH9AM7O0cJIA8JqDSiah9pS6eN9X7b; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:37485 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Usbqs-0005LB-Vb; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:48:51 -0600 Message-ID: <51CDBE76.9070503@labn.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:48:54 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fatai Zhang References: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net> <51BB95F9.5000401@labn.net> <5DF87403A81B0C43AF3EB1626511B29272C4F270@RCHEXMBP1.fnc.net.local> <51C9DA43.90800@labn.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-10.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:52:48 -0000 Fatai, When do you expect to have this submitted? Thanks, Lou On 6/25/2013 8:48 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: > Hi Lou, > > Thanks, recorded, I will fix it in the next revision. > > > > > > Best Regards > > Fatai > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:58 AM > To: Fatai Zhang > Cc: Gruman, Fred; CCAMP > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-10.txt > > Fatai, > I think both my and Fred's comments can be addressed by the following: > s/(2.5Gbps, +/-100ppm)/2.5Gbps > s/no longer/not > > or in the long form: > > OLD > As shown in Figure 1, assume there is an ODUflex(CBR) service > requesting a bandwidth of (2.5Gbps, +/-100ppm) from node A to node C. > In other words, the ODUflex Traffic Parameters indicate that Signal > Type is 20 (ODUflex(CBR)), Bit_Rate is 2.5Gbps (Note that the > tolerance is no longer signaled as explained above). > NEW > As shown in Figure 1, assume there is an ODUflex(CBR) service > requesting a bandwidth of 2.5Gbps from node A to node C. > In other words, the ODUflex Traffic Parameters indicate that Signal > Type is 20 (ODUflex(CBR)), Bit_Rate is 2.5Gbps (Note that the > tolerance is not signaled as explained above). > > Fred, > Does this work for you? > > Lou > > On 6/24/2013 9:22 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: >> Hi Fred, >> >> I added this sentence because of a comment from Lou (It is "Tolerance no longer signaled. Suggest saying as much"). >> >> I am OK to remove this sentence, but I would like to hear from Lou (either remove or refine it). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best Regards >> >> Fatai >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gruman, Fred [mailto:fred.gruman@us.fujitsu.com] >> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 9:52 PM >> To: Fatai Zhang; Lou Berger; CCAMP >> Subject: RE: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-10.txt >> >> Hello Fatai, >> >> I have one comment on Section 5.1. In this section, there is the following text: "Note that the tolerance is no longer signaled as explained above". >> >> I believe this sentence should be removed as tolerance was never signaled in a published RFC, only in early versions of the G.709 signaling drafts. This may be confusing to the reader once the RFC is published as the context to early drafts is lost. >> >> Best Regards, >> Fred >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fatai Zhang >> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:06 PM >> To: Lou Berger; CCAMP >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-10.txt >> >> Hi Lou and all, >> >> A new version has been submitted to address the 2nd WG Last Call comments on this draft. >> >> Please take a look and any further comments are appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> Best Regards >> >> Fatai >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger >> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:15 AM >> To: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3@tools.ietf.org >> Subject: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call comments on signaling-g709v3 (editorial only) >> >> Hi, >> The following are comments as part of my LC review of >> draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-09. Note that I'm the document >> shepherd, see RFC 4858 for more information. >> >> As with other documents: >> - This and the other g709v3 documents should be consistent in usage of >> "TS granularity" versus "TSG". Sometimes one is used rather than the >> other, sometimes both are used in the same document (as is the case in >> this document). Please pick either one and update the four documents to >> be consistent. >> >> - Another and related comment is please define and use a consistent >> plural form of "TS". You initially define "TSs" to expand to "Time >> Slots", but then use "TS" as the plural form in many (but not all >> cases). I personally think "TSs" in all plural cases makes the most sense. >> >> - Also same comment for TSGs. >> >> - Please be consistent in usage of "Gbps". Some inconsistent examples: >> "1.25Gps", "1.25 Gbps" and "1.25 Gbps". (I personally >> prefer the final form, but any common form is fine.) >> >> Please see >> http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-09.txt >> for line numbers used in this message. >> >> Line 47: >> s/updates/provides an alternative to >> >> Line 49: >> s/evolving OTN addressing ODUk multiplexing and new/full set of OTN >> >> Line 97: >> s/updates/provides an alternative to >> >> Line 132: >> s/[G.709-V3]/[G709-2012] >> >> Line 143: >> drop "needs to be updated because it" >> >> Line 330: >> "Here:" what? Do you mean "Where:"? >> >> Line 373: >> s/PATH/Path >> >> Line 379: >> s/MAY not/may not >> >> Lines 388/9: >> Tolerance no longer signaled. Suggest saying as much. >> >> Lines 581: >> s/ignored/ignored on receipt. >> >> Section 6. >> You should consistently use formal object names throughout this >> section, which can be found at >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/rsvp-parameters/rsvp-parameters.xml. >> e.g, "Label Set" --> "LABEL_SET Object". >> >> Line 591: >> s/MAY not/need not >> >> Line 611: >> As repeating whats in 3473, suggest lower case usage of 2119 terms. >> >> Line 624,625,626/7: >> s/TS type/TSG >> >> Line 879. >> How about adding to the beginning of the paragraph something along the >> lines of: >> This document is a modification to [RFC3473] and [RFC4328], and only >> differs in specific information communicated. As such, this document >> ... >> >> Lines 888-897 >> How about: >> Upon approval of this document, IANA will make the following >> assignments in the "Class Types or C-Types ‒ 9 FLOWSPEC" and >> "Class Types or C-Types ‒ 12 SENDER_TSPEC" section of the "RSVP >> Parameters" registry located at >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/rsvp-parameters/rsvp-parameters.xml >> >> Value Description Reference >> 7* OTN-TDM [This.I-D] >> >> (*) Suggested value >> >> Lines 905-909: >> Drop lines >> >> Line 911->928: >> to match registry, Replace with: >> Value Type Technology Reference >> ===== ====================== ========== >> 47 G.709 ODU-2.5G G.709 ODUk [RFC4328], >> (IANA to update Type field) [This.I-D] >> 56 SBCON/ESCON G.709 ODUk, [RFC4328], >> (IANA to update Type field) Lambda, Fiber [This.I-D] >> 59* Framed GFP G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] >> 60* STM-1 G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] >> 61* STM-4 G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] >> 62* InfiniBand G.709 ODUflex [This.I-D] >> 63* SDI (Serial Digital Interface) G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] >> 64* SDI/1.001 G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] >> 65* DVB_ASI G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] >> 66* G.709 ODU-1.25G G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] >> 67* G.709 ODU-Any G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] >> 68* Null Test G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] >> 69* Random Test G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] >> 70* 64B/66B GFP-F Ethernet G.709 ODUk [This.I-D] >> >> Line 930: >> Add "Upon approval of this document, IANA will define a "OTN >> >> Line 931/932 >> Drop to end of sentence starting with "will be defined by ..." >> >> Line 956: >> add: >> New values are to be assigned via Standards Action as defined in >> [RFC5226]. >> >> Lines 1006-1023: >> Aren't these all normative references? >> >> That's it, >> Lou >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >> From lberger@labn.net Fri Jun 28 10:00:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB92E21F9B9F for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:00:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WJScfNlY9GgQ for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E86D21F9B9D for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24439 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jun 2013 16:59:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2013 16:59:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=kFaO0nTPrnW/ZF5SEI58F8Mq+BoDHK+XWgB/fPM2toQ=; b=gNDzuWT3PG2B/wgCrCC+WWhEN8QN+2j57bh21Bhg1PzlN8n8O/aQrJyUrCHRgdzLmw+MIXKdX+VPJ/n3vJ/nCQU4tCWQ6QgTIORl+sLy5RSqooxBIWxOEq2ekDxo68AR; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:38980 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Usc1K-0001wa-Qx; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:59:39 -0600 Message-ID: <51CDC0FE.4000706@labn.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:59:42 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniele Ceccarelli References: <51A8CB9D.40009@labn.net>, <51BB7741.5060302@labn.net> <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE480FA0A2@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE480FA0A2@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Cc: CCAMP , "draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] R: 2nd WG Last Call comments on g709-info-model (editorial) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:00:14 -0000 Daniele, Thank you the changes look good! Lou On 6/27/2013 4:46 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Hi Lou, > > all comments have been addressed, just some minor comments: > > 1. TS granularity and 1.25/2.5Gbps aligned with other IDs > 2. Lines 452-457 dropped as issue already explained in lines 401-409. > > > BR > Daniele & Sergio > > ________________________________________ > Da: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] per conto di Lou Berger [lberger@labn.net] > Inviato: venerdì 14 giugno 2013 22.04 > A: CCAMP; draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model@tools.ietf.org > Oggetto: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call comments on g709-info-model (editorial) > > Hi, > The following are comments as part of my LC review of > draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-08. Note that I'm the document > shepherd, see RFC 4858 for more information. > > Please see > http://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model-08.txt > for line numbers used in this message. > > The draft needs to be nit free before being passed to the IESG. The > following nits show in the above URL: > > Checking references for intended status: Informational > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > == Unused Reference: 'RFC3630' is defined on line 831, but no explicit > reference was found in the text > > == Unused Reference: 'RFC5250' is defined on line 853, but no explicit > reference was found in the text > > == Outdated reference: A later version (-06) exists of > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-04 > > == Outdated reference: A later version (-12) exists of > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-g709-framework-11 > > == Outdated reference: A later version (-09) exists of > draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-signaling-g709v3-05 > > I also have the following editorial comments: > > - From my comments on the framework document: this and the other g709v3 > documents should be consistent in usage of "TS granularity" versus > "TSG". Sometimes one is used rather than the other, sometimes both are > used in the same document (as is the case in this document). Please > pick either one and update the four documents to be consistent. > > - Another and related comment is please define and use a consistent > plural form of "TS". You initially define "TSs" to expand to "Time > Slots", but then use "TS" as the plural form in many (but not all > cases). I personally think "TSs" in all plural cases makes the most sense. > > - Also same comment for TSGs. > > - please be consistent in usage of "Gbps". Some inconsistent examples: > "1.25/2.5", "1.25Gbps", "1.25 GBps" and "1.25 Gbps". (I personally > prefer the final form, but any common form is fine.) > > Line 24: > s/methods/protocols > > Lines 88-97: Section 1 > This section is a bit odd in what it says and doesn't say. How about > something along the following as a replacement: > > GMPLS routing and signaling, as defined by [RFC4203], [RFC3473] and > [RFC4328], provides the mechanisms for basic GMPLS control of OTN > networks based on the 2001 revision of the G.709 specification. > The 2012 revision of the G.709 specification, [G709-2012], includes > new OTN features which are not supported by GMPLS. > > This document provides an evaluation of exiting GMPLS signaling and > routing protocols against G.709 [G.709-2012] requirements. Background > information and a framework for the GMPLS protocol extensions need to > support [G.709-2012] is provided in [OTN-FWK]. Specific routing and > signaling extensions are defined in [OTN-OSPF] and [OTN-RSVP]. > > Line 214: > s/2,5/2.5 > > Line 257: > Do you perhaps mean "This distinction" rather than "The > discrimination"? > > Line 292: > s/r[/[ > > Line 300: > AUTOpayloadtype needs a reference > > Line 320: > s/TS size/TSG > > Line 322/3: > I think the 1st sentence cane be dropped (as it really just says > "On the other side the client TSG is the TSG that is exported towards > the client layer.") > > Line 412: > s/like/such as > > Line 416 > s/his/its > > Lines 452-457: > This paragraph is incomprehensible. I tried to come up with > suggested, but failed as I'm not sure what is being made. > > Line 461: > A guess: > s/so to have a more precise choice capability./to enable precise path > selection > > Line 464: > s/allowed/possible > > Section 17. > The choice of which documents are informative and which are normative > seems a bit random. I'm not too sure what a normative reference really > means in this type of informational document in any case, but clearly > the itu data plane documents should be normative if any references are > identified as such. > > That's it, > Lou > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > From db3546@att.com Fri Jun 28 12:50:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBF121F9A23 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:50:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7dTQmxGin6CU for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com [209.65.160.93]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBBF21F99DD for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.20.146] (EHLO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.15.0-1) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id ee8edc15.0.179825.00-405.507289.nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:50:07 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 51cde8ef3e677540-0887bec81a86f30cc5a29efb93639efc03f46847 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r5SJo6bg016951 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:50:06 -0400 Received: from mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com (mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com [130.9.128.239]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r5SJnqnU016655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:49:59 -0400 Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUB9A.ITServices.sbc.com (misout7msghub9a.itservices.sbc.com [144.151.223.62]) by mlpi407.sfdc.sbc.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:49:34 GMT Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSR9O.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.75]) by MISOUT7MSGHUB9A.ITServices.sbc.com ([144.151.223.62]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:49:42 -0400 From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: 2nd WG Last Call on OAM Configuration Documents Thread-Index: Ac5t6ABPZPeYx8wxT0OlCQ7Tv4K91wGUHjLA Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:49:42 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.16.234.214] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C831A2EBMISOUT7MSGUSR9OIT_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.20.146] X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=J58dGnbS c=1 sm=0 a=Qs8R1XBwmid1qBFB/a8mmA==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=RWEAq7CW3jcA:10 a=-rU3RgIsUSkA:10 a=ofMgfj31e3cA:10 a=BLc] X-AnalysisOut: [eEmwcHowA:10 a=zQP7CpKOAAAA:8 a=XIqpo32RAAAA:8 a=1bCGnl7C1] X-AnalysisOut: [ZQA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=N9XzgT1Wtv9-z9b5odkA:9 a=CjuIK1q] X-AnalysisOut: [_8ugA:10 a=2TSDkfqdCjIA:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAA] X-AnalysisOut: [A:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=a8bCdgf_kyaU1PkTGA8A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSV] X-AnalysisOut: [kA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:1] X-AnalysisOut: [0 a=LdxKUQJjOkzPi2l3:21] Subject: Re: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call on OAM Configuration Documents X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:50:13 -0000 --_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C831A2EBMISOUT7MSGUSR9OIT_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This WG Last Call has finished. I'll prepare the publication request. Thanks, Deborah From: ccamp-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of B= RUNGARD, DEBORAH A Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:57 PM To: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] 2nd WG Last Call on OAM Configuration Documents ***Security Advisory: This Message Originated Outside of AT&T *** Reference http://cso.att.com/EmailSecurity/IDSP.html for more information. All, This starts a one-week working group last call on the three OAM configurati= on documents which have been updated for 2119 language, inconsistencies amo= ng the documents, and editorial: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-oam-configuration-fwk-10.txt http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-eth-oam-ext-10.txt http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-mpls-tp-oam-ext-12.txt This working group last call ends June 27th. Please send your comments to t= he CCAMP mailing list. 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***Security Advisory: This Message Originated Outside of= AT&T ***
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All,

 

This starts a one-week working group la= st call on the three OAM configuration documents which have been updated fo= r 2119 language, inconsistencies among the documents, and editorial:

 

 

This working group last call ends June = 27th. Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list.

 

Deborah and Lou

 

 

 

--_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C831A2EBMISOUT7MSGUSR9OIT_-- From zhang.xian@huawei.com Sat Jun 29 00:12:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F9721F99B0 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 00:12:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1l3fEzY31GmE for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 00:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C3F21F9968 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 00:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AUM88234; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:12:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.7; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:12:37 +0100 Received: from SZXEML463-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.206) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.7; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:12:37 +0100 Received: from SZXEML510-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.176]) by szxeml463-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.206]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.007; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 15:12:30 +0800 From: "Zhangxian (Xian)" To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Review Request for flexible grid signaling and routing udpate Thread-Index: Ac50mANkrumc/HwzR6+7vnbb26ltUg== Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:12:30 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.104.209] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C636AF2FA540124E9B9ACB5A6BECCE6B189C3195szxeml510mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [CCAMP] Review Request for flexible grid signaling and routing udpate X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:12:56 -0000 --_000_C636AF2FA540124E9B9ACB5A6BECCE6B189C3195szxeml510mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear CCAMPers, In light of the discussion in the last two IETF meetings with regard to = flexi-grid, we have now updated the following two drafts: 1) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-flexible-grid-rsvp-te-= ext-02 (Signaling extension for Flexi-grid) 2) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-flexible-grid-ospf-ext= -02 (Routing extensions for Flexi-grid) In this update, we keep the above mentioned extension drafts aligned with t= he following: 1) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ogrcetal-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-03 2) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrkingel-ccamp-flexigrid-lambda-= label-06 Any comments/discussions (online/offline) are welcome. We appreciate you= r feedback. Best Regards, Xian ( on behalf of all the co-authors) --_000_C636AF2FA540124E9B9ACB5A6BECCE6B189C3195szxeml510mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear CCAMPers,

 

   In light of the di= scussion in the last two IETF meetings with regard to flexi-grid, we have n= ow updated the following two drafts:

1= )   &= nbsp;  http://tools= .ietf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-flexible-grid-rsvp-te-ext-02 (Signalin= g extension for Flexi-grid)

2= )   &= nbsp;  http://tools.ie= tf.org/html/draft-zhang-ccamp-flexible-grid-ospf-ext-02 (Routing extens= ions for Flexi-grid)

=  

I= n this update, we keep the above mentioned extension drafts aligned with th= e following:

1= )   &= nbsp;  http://tools.ietf.or= g/html/draft-ogrcetal-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk-03

2= )   &= nbsp;  http://too= ls.ietf.org/html/draft-farrkingel-ccamp-flexigrid-lambda-label-06<= /o:p>

 

   Any comments/discu= ssions (online/offline) are welcome. We appreciate your feedback.

 

Best Re= gards,

&n= bsp;

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--_000_C636AF2FA540124E9B9ACB5A6BECCE6B189C3195szxeml510mbxchi_-- From lberger@labn.net Sat Jun 29 07:48:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD42811E8151 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:48:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U-vzrSEoqVyj for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy14-pub.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.51.224]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 662B611E814C for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1201 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jun 2013 14:48:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box313.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.113) by oproxy14.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 2013 14:48:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=KA4GZ7iJ85ok2k3qBSI1Bbq8T/5byF81Rw/v1cOVrWU=; b=WZTOGRasXBBBwHoHII0aD7pdoyGf9180w2hmBqh6vlpz/I1NggazErKTJIkqHUCV7klCgEbN+D8D1YcNSZIQXN+88G6uftnbPzF+jhKZDbJKOStoMjUvMSEbzWLFDe/+; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:37894 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UswSG-0007Tk-7i; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 08:48:48 -0600 Message-ID: <51CEF3D4.3030303@labn.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:48:52 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CCAMP X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Subject: [CCAMP] CAMP Agenda Requests for IETF 87 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:48:54 -0000 Hello, Per https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/87/agenda.html CCAMP has been *tentatively* scheduled for: 1300-1500 CEST Wednesday Afternoon Session I 1120-1330 CEST Friday Afternoon Session Yes, we are currently scheduled for a Friday afternoon meeting for the second IETF in a row. Given the current set of conflicts, and that there are 15 BoFs, we are unlikely to see any change in time slots. We are also getting some pressure (from our AD) to meet only 1 session. Our past workload certainly would have precluded this. But, given that the 709, OAM and (hopefully) WSON topics should not need any meeting time in Berlin, a single session may be possible. Keeping this in mind: Authors of active working group documents should plan on presenting status (briefly, including recent changes), open issues/discussion topics and planned next steps at the meeting. Alternatively, an update can be provided via e-mail to the list in the *week prior* to the meeting. Agenda Requests: - To submit a request, please reply to this message, keeping all individuals listed. Include/exclude ccamp as you wish. - Please send your request no later than Sunday, July 14. For each slot please state: + Presenter + Draft title (e.g. Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF for Generalized MPLS (GMPLS)Control of Evolving G.709 OTN Networks) + Draft URL on tools server (e.g. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft- ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ospf-g709v3-05) + Desired length of presentation Presentations: If you are presenting slides please make sure you send them to all *individuals* listed above (and exclude ccamp) no later than Sunday, July 28. Reminder about a few important dates: - 2013-07-08 (Monday): Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document (-00) submission by UTC 24:00, - 2013-07-15 (Monday): Internet Draft final submission cut-off by UTC 24:00 - 2013-07-17 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 24:00 - 2013-07-22 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 24:00 Much thanks, Lou (and Deborah) From zhangfatai@huawei.com Sun Jun 30 10:35:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5666721F9BB0 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:35:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.147 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.147 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_ENC_UTF8=0.152] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) 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To: Lou Berger , "francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com" Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:39:49 -0500 Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model Thread-Index: Ac2yBl/8pIEkYMVoTT2EVmRvPiHkQTD0+tRA Message-ID: <5292FFA96EC22A4386067E9DBCC0CD2B015634FA694A@EX-NAP.tellabs-west.tellabsinc.net> References: <5065B22D.5050808@labn.net> <508819E1.1080203@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <508819E1.1080203@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: tellabs.com Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 21:40:02 -0000 All, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Jonathan Sadler -----Original Message----- From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:40 AM To: Sadler, Jonathan B.; francesco.fondelli@ericsson.com Cc: CCAMP Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model Hello, If you are listed on the to line you are listed in the above draft = as an Author or Contributor and I believe have not responded to the message= included below. Can you please respond to this message (and leave CCAMP cc'ed). And state e= ither: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If you answer yes, please also state: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. Thank you, Lou On 9/28/2012 10:20 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > Authors, Contributors, (CCAMP) > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to > draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-g709-info-model? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer > the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you > are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the > next stage until a response has been received from each author and > listed contributor. 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