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Thu, 7 Jan 2016 00:44:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.11.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160107084437.12449.89984.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 00:44:37 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 01:42:03 -0800 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, ccamp-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] ccamp - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 95 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 08:44:37 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Daniele Ceccarelli, a Chair of the ccamp working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Common Control and Measurement Plane Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Daniele Ceccarelli Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: teas mpls pce spring rtgarea detnet Second Priority: idr pals sfc anima Third Priority: bess i2rs isis ospf Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Jan 8 09:26:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A240A1B2A81 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:26:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rgeQu0lR5lbK for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E7A1B2A80 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 5E35D18019D; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:25:01 -0800 (PST) To: lberger@movaz.com, akatlas@gmail.com, db3546@att.com, aretana@cisco.com, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, zhangfatai@huawei.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20160108172501.5E35D18019D@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:25:01 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Cc: alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com, ccamp@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [CCAMP] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC3473 (4585) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 17:26:07 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC3473, "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Extensions". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3473&eid=4585 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Alexander Okonnikov Section: 5.2.1 Original Text ------------- Label RRO subobjects are included in RROs as described in [RFC3209]. The only modification to usage and processing from [RFC3209] is that when labels are recorded for bidirectional LSPs, label ERO subobjects for both downstream and upstream labels MUST be included. Corrected Text -------------- Label RRO subobjects are included in RROs as described in [RFC3209]. The only modification to usage and processing from [RFC3209] is that when labels are recorded for bidirectional LSPs, label RRO subobjects for both downstream and upstream labels MUST be included. Notes ----- RRO in place of ERO. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC3473 (draft-ietf-mpls-generalized-rsvp-te-09) -------------------------------------- Title : Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Extensions Publication Date : January 2003 Author(s) : L. Berger, Ed. Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Common Control and Measurement Plane Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Mon Jan 11 02:50:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763201A88F9 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 02:50:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HeHs1J9oFq_N for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 02:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 923DD1A88FA for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 02:50:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29220 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jan 2016 10:49:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2016 10:49:59 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id 4apu1s00P2SSUrH01apxf8; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 03:49:57 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=dqRIVTQ4 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=qqXk6dxrMykA:10 a=7aQ_Q-yQQ-AA:10 a=BqEg4_3jAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=SFOW-jTBph44vE95fDMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=mhd2NDuUijAA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Date:CC:To:From; bh=vB9f97UP50PH+Zvn5qJcrS8GgGMKgJIdTvqP+D6A0lI=; b=MJHPxg8hSDXlaRKxwsblv4lQdMFcirYLILHqOelqwWj1gfjzWk9TPFb1jKw0MhYFaW9nteVYRqJ40XPelL9ntL7BQpZALzi4RjIhM/w7SD8a1V42HXIftNP5WCdnTSiK; Received: from [100.15.91.238] (port=43468 helo=[11.4.0.238]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aIa2u-0006CY-1S; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 03:49:56 -0700 From: Lou Berger To: , , , , Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 05:49:51 -0500 Message-ID: <152304e6898.2818.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <20160108172501.5E35D18019D@rfc-editor.org> References: <20160108172501.5E35D18019D@rfc-editor.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 AquaMail/1.6.0.6 (build: 24000011) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 100.15.91.238 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: alexander.okonnikov@gmail.com, ccamp@ietf.org Subject: Re: [CCAMP] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC3473 (4585) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:50:03 -0000 Looks like a valid report to me. Thanks, Lou On January 8, 2016 12:26:39 PM RFC Errata System wrote: > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC3473, > "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Resource > ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Extensions". > > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3473&eid=4585 > > -------------------------------------- > Type: Technical > Reported by: Alexander Okonnikov > > Section: 5.2.1 > > Original Text > ------------- > Label RRO subobjects are included in RROs as described in [RFC3209]. > The only modification to usage and processing from [RFC3209] is that > when labels are recorded for bidirectional LSPs, label ERO subobjects > for both downstream and upstream labels MUST be included. > > Corrected Text > -------------- > Label RRO subobjects are included in RROs as described in [RFC3209]. > The only modification to usage and processing from [RFC3209] is that > when labels are recorded for bidirectional LSPs, label RRO subobjects > for both downstream and upstream labels MUST be included. > > Notes > ----- > RRO in place of ERO. > > Instructions: > ------------- > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please > use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or > rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) > can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. > > -------------------------------------- > RFC3473 (draft-ietf-mpls-generalized-rsvp-te-09) > -------------------------------------- > Title : Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) > Signaling Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) > Extensions > Publication Date : January 2003 > Author(s) : L. 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Thanks Regards =8A Zafar On 1/11/16, 5:49 AM, "CCAMP on behalf of Lou Berger" wrote: >Looks like a valid report to me. > > >Thanks, > >Lou > > > > >On January 8, 2016 12:26:39 PM RFC Errata System > wrote: > >> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC3473, >> "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Resource >> ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Extensions". >> >> -------------------------------------- >> You may review the report below and at: >> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3D3473&eid=3D4585 >> >> -------------------------------------- >> Type: Technical >> Reported by: Alexander Okonnikov >> >> Section: 5.2.1 >> >> Original Text >> ------------- >> Label RRO subobjects are included in RROs as described in [RFC3209]. >> The only modification to usage and processing from [RFC3209] is that >> when labels are recorded for bidirectional LSPs, label ERO subobjects >> for both downstream and upstream labels MUST be included. >> >> Corrected Text >> -------------- >> Label RRO subobjects are included in RROs as described in [RFC3209]. >> The only modification to usage and processing from [RFC3209] is that >> when labels are recorded for bidirectional LSPs, label RRO subobjects >> for both downstream and upstream labels MUST be included. >> >> Notes >> ----- >> RRO in place of ERO. >> >> Instructions: >> ------------- >> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please >> use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or >> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) >> can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. >> >> -------------------------------------- >> RFC3473 (draft-ietf-mpls-generalized-rsvp-te-09) >> -------------------------------------- >> Title : Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching >>(GMPLS)=20 >> Signaling Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) >> Extensions >> Publication Date : January 2003 >> Author(s) : L. Berger, Ed. >> Category : PROPOSED STANDARD >> Source : Common Control and Measurement Plane >> Area : Routing >> Stream : IETF >> Verifying Party : IESG >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >> > > >_______________________________________________ >CCAMP mailing list >CCAMP@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From nobody Wed Jan 13 18:06:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B511B29DC; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:06:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UR4q1OubKJkj; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:06:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88B811B29DB; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:06:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CCX25581; Thu, 14 Jan 2016 02:06:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML705-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.168) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Thu, 14 Jan 2016 02:06:03 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.73) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.168) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Thu, 14 Jan 2016 02:06:03 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.152]) by SZXEMA414-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Thu, 14 Jan 2016 10:05:52 +0800 From: "Yemin (Amy)" To: CCAMP Thread-Topic: Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for availability address your comments? 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(envelope-from ) id 1aKBkD-0003yx-TK; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 14:17:18 -0700 To: "Yemin (Amy)" , CCAMP References: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461F9CD31347@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <568FDFD1.6060505@labn.net> <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461F9CD3DE05@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> From: Lou Berger X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <569961D6.9080404@labn.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:17:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461F9CD3DE05@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Longhao , TEAS WG Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for availability address your comments? X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 21:17:28 -0000 Amy, I think we're left with one substantive discussion topic: >> 3) Approach >> >> Given that there is really no difference between 3.1.1. and >> RFC6003 Section 4.1, I suggest dropping the Extended Ethernet >> Bandwidth Profile TLV (section 3.1.1) and just adding the >> Availability sub-tlv as a a new Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object TLV >> type. This also helps backwards compatibility. > > [Amy] I will reply 2) and 3) together. The availability comes with > bandwidth together, for example, the request is (bandwidth = > 200Mbps, availability = 99.99%). > > That’s why the Availability sub-tlv is defined as a sub-tlv under > Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV. > > As the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV defined in RFC6003 is not > capable to carry sub-tlv, a new Extended Ethernet Bandwidth > Profile TLV is defined. This was presented and discussed in > IETF90. So we're discussing two options: Option 1) new TLV with new optional sub-TLV(s) + Availability sub-TLV - New TLV : Extended Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-03#section-3.1.1 - NEW TLV = RFC6003 Section 4.1 + option sub-TLV(s) and Availability sub-TLV carried in new TLV, carried when using availability, Option 2) Availability TLV -No change to RFC 6003 or Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV - Optional new Availability TLV carried when using availability It seems to me that the carried information and the semantics are equivalent. But option 1 defines a strictly redundant information format, with both added implementation and interoperability overhead. So why not just go with option 2, i.e., drop section 3.1.1. and define 3.1.2 as a tlv of the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object? Lou On 1/13/2016 9:05 PM, Yemin (Amy) wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Below is the offline discussion on > “draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-03” and > “draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-03”. > > You are welcome to give comments. > > > > BR, > > Amy > > > > *From:*Yemin (Amy) > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:35 PM > *To:* 'Lou Berger' > *Cc:* D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo; Shah, Himanshu; Gregory Mirsky; > Longhao > *Subject:* RE: Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for > availability address your comments? > > > > Hi Lou, > > > > Thanks for reply. Please see my reply starting with [Amy]. > > > > BR, > > Amy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:12 AM > To: Yemin (Amy) > Cc: D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo; Shah, Himanshu; Gregory Mirsky; > Longhao > Subject: Re: Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for > availability address your comments? > > > > Hi Amy, > > > > > > On 12/29/2015 1:47 AM, Yemin (Amy) wrote: > > > > > > Hi Lou, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you kindly check if the latest OSPF extension draft for > > > availability address your comments? > > > > > > > Here are my original comments and their resolution: > > > On 7/25/2015 12:20 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > > > > Abstract: > - States applies to PSC > > > fixed . > > > > > > Sections 1 > - (general comment) informative sections such as Intro and Overview > > > > shouldn't contain normative (RFC2119) language. See > > > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/teas/trac/wiki/PSGuidelines for some > > > > suggested guidelines. > > > you still have a conformance statement in the abstract. This is a nit > > and can be fixed whenever you do the next rev. > > [Amy] Thanks for pointing it out. Will fix it. > > > > > > Section 2 > - You mention "by the PE node" (and in two other places in the > > > > document). I have don't understand why "PE" is being introduced. > > > > Perhaps you mean simply "a node"? > > > > > done. > > > > > > Section 3.1 > - You duplicate a format definition from RFC4203. I think this > > > should > be replaced with a simple sentence stating that "The > > > Interface Switching > Capacity Descriptor (ISCD) sub-TLV is defined in > > > Section 1.4 of [RFC 4203]". > > > done. as a nit comment you can get rid of section 3.1 and just move the > > reference to the first time you refer to ISCD > > > > > > - More significantly you are actually changing its format, and in > > particular taking 8 bits from the existing reserved field: > > A > > > new AI field is defined in this document. > > > AI is gone, right? > > [Amy] Yes, AI is removed. > > > > > > - Taking bits from the reserved field is a major change and needs to be > > justified. The purpose *and the use* of this new field, > > > Availability > Index, is unclear in the document. It needs to be, or > > > better yet, drop it. > > Section 3.2: > - Why limit Availability > > > information to PSC and LSC? > > > > > This limitation remains. I thought you agreed to dropping this in your > > mail back in August. > > [Amy] Sorry, I missed this point. Will fix it. > > > > > > Section 6.1 > - A number of references listed as Normative are not required to > > > > implement the mechanisms in the document and therefore should be > > > > identified as Informative. > > > > I think this needs some change, but this can be resolved independently > > of LC. > > [Amy] OK. > > > > > The attached is the mail discussion in July and Aug.We believe that > > > the latest drafts addressed the comments in these mails, please check. > > > > > > The latest drafts links > > > arehttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension/, > > > and > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/. > > > > > > > My original comments were: > > > On 7/25/2015 12:20 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > > > > Hi, > I reviewed this document from the perspective of how generalized it > > > > is in its current form. > > I think this document's scope in it's > > > current form is limited to > RFC6003. I think it sould retitle the > > > draft to something like "Ethernet > Traffic Parameters With > > > Availability Information" to align with RFC6003. > > Done. > > > > > > The document could also use RFC6003 as a 'design pattern' for some > > reediting of its sections/text. > > > > So I guess this wasn't a sufficiently detailed comment. I see several > > issues with section 3. In order of least to most significant: > > 1) Editorial nits: > > There is no section 3.1 > > There are grammar and spelling errors in the section > > [Amy] Will fix it. > > > > 2) Formatting problems in sections 3.1.x > > Type and length are included, when they aren't in RFC6003 Section 4.1 > > Type isn't identified as needing to be assigned > > Most fields lack definition > > AF is defined as a redefinition of the Profile field rather than > > simply a definition > > of a new bit in the field. It should simply be an assignment of > > a new flag, i.e.: > > Flag 3 (bit 1): Availability Flag (AF) > > I also don't see the value of the flag as the rfc6003 already > > accommodates optional tlv inclusion and no explicit indication of > > subsequent TLVs is required. > > > > 3) Approach > > Given that there is really no difference between 3.1.1. and RFC6003 > > Section 4.1, I suggest dropping the Extended Ethernet Bandwidth Profile > > TLV (section 3.1.1) and just adding the Availability sub-tlv as a a new > > Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object TLV type. This also helps backwards > > compatibility. > > [Amy] I will reply 2) and 3) together. The availability comes with > bandwidth together, for example, the request is (bandwidth = 200Mbps, > availability = 99.99%). > > That’s why the Availability sub-tlv is defined as a sub-tlv under > Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV. > > As the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV defined in RFC6003 is not > capable to carry sub-tlv, a new Extended Ethernet Bandwidth Profile > TLV is defined. This was presented and discussed in IETF90. > > > > 4) Section 3.2 > > This isn't needed, i.e., the section should be dropped, as this is > > already provided for in RF6003 Section 5. > > [Amy] Ok. > > > > 5) Section 3.3 > > > > This section should refer back to RFC6003 section 7 and be modified to > > talk about the additional processing related to the Availability TLV > > (which shouldn't be a big change). > > > > You can drop the last paragraph as it is sufficiently covered in 6003, > > but you do need to mention what is expected to happen, as informative > > text, on a node that doesn't support the new tlv. > > [Amy] Will update it. > > > > 6) The IANA section will need to be updated accordingly > > > > > > > > > I also suggest reviewing > > > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/teas/trac/wiki/PSGuidelines for some > > > > suggested guidelines. > > > > > > > If the drafts addressed all the comments, could it be moved forward? > > > Or if you have any other comments, just let us know. > > > > > > > So I think we're left with a minor comment + nits on the OSPF document > > and some more substantive work on the RSVP draft. > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, take this chance to wish a happy new year! > > > > > > > To you as well! > > > > Cheers, > > Lou > > > > > > > > > > > > BR, > > > > > > Amy(on behalf of the co-authors) > > > > > > > > > > From nobody Mon Jan 18 04:47:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496881B366D; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 04:47:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H5rS42k0V584; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 04:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sessmg22.ericsson.net (sessmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA5411B3685; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 04:47:24 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3a-f79df6d0000013b1-58-569cdedae3f8 Received: from ESESSHC021.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.81]) by sessmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 21.61.05041.ADEDC965; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:47:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB301.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.140]) by ESESSHC021.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:47:22 +0100 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: Lou Berger , "Yemin (Amy)" , CCAMP Thread-Topic: [Teas] Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for availability address your comments? 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(mhartley@cisco.com)" , "Fatai Zhang (zhangfatai@huawei.com)" , "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 Thread-Index: AdFR7r37xh6HHBxHR+mDm02Uo7DtBQ== Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:54:37 +0000 Message-ID: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4A457@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.147] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4A457ESESSMB301erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupjkeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGbHdUrf/wZwwgyP/GC0mzN3LZPFkzg0W izkvmS1e7/jKbtHXfJ7VgdVjyu+NrB4tR96yeixZ8pMpgDmKyyYlNSezLLVI3y6BK+PMs1aW giUGFa0X/zM1MB7T7GLk5JAQMJF42d3ABGGLSVy4t54NxBYSOMwocXh/bhcjF5C9hFFi3cmt rF2MHBxsAlYSTw75gMRFBNqZJFp3PmUBaRAWcJS4fW0R2CARATeJrzc72CBsPYn3izaygtgs AqoSx+auYgaxeQV8Jb7MfglmMwrISkzYvYgRxGYWEJe49WQ+1EECEkv2nGeGsEUlXj7+B3aD 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g709v3 work with the preparation for the last call of th= e additional signal types draft. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. 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Authors, Contributors, CCAMP

 

Let’s progress the g709v3 work with the prepar= ation for the last call of the additional signal types draft.

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Please state either:

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or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this dra= ft"

 

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Thank you,

Daniele & Fatai

 

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mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 10:05:07 -0600 From: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" To: Daniele Ceccarelli , "Zafar Ali (zali)" , "Antonello Bonfanti (abonfant)" , "Fatai Zhang (zhangfatai@huawei.com)" , "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 Thread-Index: AdFR7r37xh6HHBxHR+mDm02Uo7DtBQAGzUjw Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:05:07 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4A457@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4A457@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.129] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_bd7f5d5343574f02ae6d097db85f6bc2XCHRCD001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 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Cheers Matt Authors, Contributors, CCAMP Let's progress the g709v3 work with the preparation for the last call of th= e additional signal types draft. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. 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No, I’m not aware of any I= PR that applies to this draft.

 

Cheers

 

Matt

 

Authors, Contributors, CCAMP

 

Let’s progress the g709v3 work with the prepar= ation for the last call of the additional signal types draft.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft ident= ified above?

 

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to t= his draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this dra= ft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance wit= h IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:=

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"<= /o:p>

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional deta= ils you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contri= butor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whe= ther or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESS= AGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not li= sted as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under t= he IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related= to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty<= /a>.

 

Thank you,

Daniele & Fatai

 

--_000_bd7f5d5343574f02ae6d097db85f6bc2XCHRCD001ciscocom_-- From nobody Mon Jan 18 08:52:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537E11B39E8 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:52:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ACWXbfRricqR for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8A601B39E1 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:52:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=9322; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1453135923; x=1454345523; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=wS0a5T/NBldsrR6PeVAQi4mEvNm7COvHJiDRgtdxBV4=; b=GxayjzTCt7WHwJ2Coy98KI/+Kmy9vRRMF57JpYIFNjhMNyXf1Ktfz0+q i2DESZZgfwKnfr5YXE0szwnr8xVZ+pQSTNLUp7K3oRg7Sj4mpv/8tUL9T KBsxoZNkPMhcafo0LirhhdonZevLlMcyBG+Z0XVSJowKLB2onjx2yErMx I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0D3AQAUF51W/4MNJK1egm5MUm0GiFCzR?= =?us-ascii?q?AENgWMihW0CgTY4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQ0AQEBBC1cAgEIEQMBAigHMhQJCAEBBAE?= =?us-ascii?q?SiBsOvnUBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEYhlWEf4QmEQE/hEYFjXyJHgGFR?= =?us-ascii?q?4gXgV5Kg3qIX4psg3ABEQ8BAUKEC3IBhXk6gQgBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.22,313,1449532800"; d="scan'208,217";a="227286114" Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 18 Jan 2016 16:52:02 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-012.cisco.com (xch-rtp-012.cisco.com [64.101.220.152]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u0IGq2QB029147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:52:02 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-018.cisco.com (64.101.220.158) by XCH-RTP-012.cisco.com (64.101.220.152) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 11:52:01 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-018.cisco.com ([64.101.220.158]) by XCH-RTP-018.cisco.com ([64.101.220.158]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 11:52:01 -0500 From: "Zafar Ali (zali)" To: Daniele Ceccarelli , "Antonello Bonfanti (abonfant)" , "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" , "Fatai Zhang (zhangfatai@huawei.com)" , "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 Thread-Index: AdFR7r37xh6HHBxHR+mDm02Uo7DtBQAIcuCA Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:52:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4A457@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4A457@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.8.151023 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.149.248] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D2C2823815C3D7zaliciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:52:06 -0000 --_000_D2C2823815C3D7zaliciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear WG and Chairs- "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" Thanks Regards ... Zafar From: Daniele Ceccarelli > Date: Monday, January 18, 2016 at 7:54 AM To: zali >, "Antonello Bonfanti (abon= fant)" >, "Matt Hartley (mhar= tley)" >, Fatai Zhang >, "ccamp@ietf.org" > Subject: IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 Authors, Contributors, CCAMP Let's progress the g709v3 work with the preparation for the last call of th= e additional signal types draft. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. Thank you, Daniele & Fatai --_000_D2C2823815C3D7zaliciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear WG and Chairs- 

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this d= raft”

Thanks

Regards … Zafar

From: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.co= m>
Date: Monday, January 18, 2016 at 7= :54 AM
To: zali <zali@cisco.com>, "Antonello Bonfanti (abonfant)&quo= t; <abonfant@cisco.com>, &q= uot;Matt Hartley (mhartley)" <mhartley@cisco.com>, Fatai Zhang <zhangfatai@huawei= .com>, "ccamp@ietf.org&qu= ot; <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-ad= ditional-signal-type-g709v3-02

Authors, Contributors, CCAMP

 

Let’s progress the g709v3 work with the prepar= ation for the last call of the additional signal types draft.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft ident= ified above?

 

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to t= his draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this dra= ft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance wit= h IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:=

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"<= /o:p>

 

If you answer no, please provide any additional deta= ils you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contri= butor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whe= ther or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESS= AGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not li= sted as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under t= he IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related= to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty<= /a>.

 

Thank you,

Daniele & Fatai

 

--_000_D2C2823815C3D7zaliciscocom_-- From nobody Mon Jan 18 18:47:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256791A88F1 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:47:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lvWXSts6Lhx1 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45BC51A88FC for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:47:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CDD07998; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:47:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.130) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:47:35 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.73) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.130) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:47:34 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA504-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.162]) by SZXEMA414-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:47:28 +0800 From: Fatai Zhang To: Daniele Ceccarelli , "Zafar Ali (zali)" , "abonfant@cisco.com" , "Matt Hartley (mhartley) (mhartley@cisco.com)" , "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 Thread-Index: AdFR7r37xh6HHBxHR+mDm02Uo7DtBQAdPCpA Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:47:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4A457@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4A457@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.72.159] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF85CD49647SZXEMA504MBSchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020206.569DA3C8.00E4, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.8.162, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 8375f7a5cb06ebf7b7bc826ebf29dc0d Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:47:47 -0000 --_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF85CD49647SZXEMA504MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Best Regards Fatai From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:55 PM To: Zafar Ali (zali); abonfant@cisco.com; Matt Hartley (mhartley) (mhartley= @cisco.com); Fatai Zhang; CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 Authors, Contributors, CCAMP Let's progress the g709v3 work with the preparation for the last call of th= e additional signal types draft. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. 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Hi,

No, = I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

 

&n= bsp;

Best Re= gards

&n= bsp;

Fatai

 

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsso= n.com]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:55 PM
To: Zafar Ali (zali); abonfant@cisco.com; Matt Hartley (mhartley) (m= hartley@cisco.com); Fatai Zhang; CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)
Subject: IPR on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02

 

Authors, Contributors, CCAMP

 

Let’s progress the g709v3= work with the preparation for the last call of the additional signal types= draft.

Are you aware of any IPR that a= pplies to draft identified above?

 

Please state either:=

"No, I'm not aware of any = IPR that applies to this draft"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR tha= t applies to this draft"

 

If so, has this IPR been disclo= sed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 f= or more details)?

If yes to the above, please sta= te either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been dis= closed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

or

"No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

 

If you answer no, please provid= e any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a docu= ment author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this em= ail regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

 

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YO= U LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

 

If you are on the CCAMP WG emai= l list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of you= r obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the I= ETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribut= ion or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, pl= ease see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty<= /a>.

 

Thank you,

Daniele & Fatai<= /span>

 

--_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF85CD49647SZXEMA504MBSchi_-- From nobody Tue Jan 19 02:48:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49E71B2A4C for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:48:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cjmGgEozb4h9 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:48:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B10641B2A4D for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 02:48:12 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-f79a76d000000a93-1b-569e1469d119 Received: from ESESSHC020.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.78]) by sesbmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 54.C1.02707.9641E965; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:48:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB301.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.140]) by ESESSHC020.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.78]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:47:28 +0100 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thread-Index: AdFSppQiEnkellx9R4+Kcp/CADqbcQ== Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:47:27 +0000 Message-ID: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05C@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.18] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05CESESSMB301erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrILMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7n26myLwwg77dlhZP5txgcWD0WLLk J1MAYxSXTUpqTmZZapG+XQJXxt2+D6wFk5UrGi7vYWtgbJLvYuTgkBAwkfj9UryLkRPIFJO4 cG89WxcjF4eQwGFGiYuTLkA5SxglZjffYQFpYBOwknhyyAekQURAV2LvxuvMILawQKLEleUT WSHiaRIte7YzQ9h6Ers3LAKzWQRUJW4enMYGYvMK+Er8uHqDCcRmFJCVmLB7ESOIzSwgLnHr yXwmiIMEJJbsOc8MYYtKvHz8jxXCVpT4+GofVH2+xLpZsxkhZgpKnJz5hGUCo9AsJKNmISmb haQMIq4jsWD3JzYIW1ti2cLXzDD2mQOPmZDFFzCyr2IULU4tTspNNzLSSy3KTC4uzs/Ty0st 2cQIjIiDW34b7GB8+dzxEKMAB6MSD29B3twwIdbEsuLK3EOMEhzMSiK8V7nnhQnxpiRWVqUW 5ccXleakFh9ilOZgURLnTZJpDBMSSE8sSc1OTS1ILYLJMnFwSjUwVjh4fZWKWvVPMuPx6uXL V20KPiqiH5066bun5JvYZb28bZv3KE8yy6npPfq/xkno+gMR+ZIncRpsNTvbI3ZrPmLfLFb6 J0xssulNt1W8LwJbos/xPrhrfDLp2f3d58qjyoNKftxjsz1kc9//lMmRp8s2pgrc0dW1XCeq sOhax9a2wN2HbSJslFiKMxINtZiLihMBSWq6jYQCAAA= Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:48:15 -0000 --_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05CESESSMB301erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Working group, Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we're ready to start the WG las= t for this document. This starts a two weeks working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additio= nal-signal-type-g709v3-02. The last call ends on Tuesday February 2nd. Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list. All the IPR declarations from authors and contributors have been collected = and can be found in the history of the document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3/history/ Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this draft. If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the document, please volunteer. Thanks Daniele & Fatai --_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05CESESSMB301erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Working group,

 

Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we’= ;re ready to start the WG last for this document.

 

This starts a two weeks working group last call on d= raft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02.

The last call ends on Tuesday  February 2nd.

Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list.=

 

All the IPR declarations from authors and contributo= rs have been collected and can be found in the history of the document:

https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3/history/

Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this d= raft.

 

If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the docum= ent, please volunteer.

 

Thanks

Daniele & Fatai

 

--_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05CESESSMB301erics_-- From nobody Tue Jan 19 09:46:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813F41B339E for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:46:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WOKeV1ooYCE7 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36A481B339A for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u0JHkMAa001826; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:46:22 GMT Received: from 950129200 (194.177-183-91.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be [91.183.177.194] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u0JHkGRL001807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:46:17 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Daniele Ceccarelli'" , "'CCAMP'" References: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05C@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05C@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:46:14 -0000 Message-ID: <01bf01d152e1$4bb9ebd0$e32dc370$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01C0_01D152E1.4D57BD50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIY0oApDZeHSRfZ63P7HMKZDMQFhp50Fq/w Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22076.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--22.893-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--22.893-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: +XkuFvcrUd1bJCKOm3VRCaj5v7I4/SgY4Tno5sC0gjyJQj7QMsmn+WGS othhp5/fKC6zcKg/n0BWjqaf7FeZ1cBZPOJYZoM8VOFdaTLzUEeJtvq2ZmkpNxpZ231hAWun4sZ l7t7wI3+wQEC6hpSor8AmcZEx8XHJIfZjRfGTydiCsBeCv8CM/dHfJDwbkrHtkML1ALcKgRU6/P zq3sn9AN1fdEa3sz16syNb+yeIRAruHZGuwo6K7QE0HxrX9vb8OPqq7B3zhTzCtNEx/zWwo/umy OC/eNMcEnerDpp3+WPDr0AjBcmfRr4kZYg1dp8sYsz9F4FLBTDeQ0ny4xLfM3Z6DyfYMrWaCSq2 65sGiiK8oJG1hN/n+Pph0S97szoioWI+j+UNYkvJYIv7y0tu9gqEOaaKoFK3N43pcSngXHCqEjH R8FX3BY7RqcXOqZzf+/7/+WpTWHrs8rI+Arq54Qzvg1/q1MH24S1vp7ipI5aOXoOFCeTkvbEnMi RNQbMZWr/D5CnnmmT9zT4slMys3f2xX1OVrWqLVxt8iPZNr2yALjqnIlNKdNXjKfop/WvT3wqC9 Qsu3hf9+rKlRf1WaEtzk37SzX4NlPV6Vaqi4bDxxaAXDrCns4j7J3jzONjdJa6rGJR4RfowuiDz T/FFiVHi+vC6FxL8BU4uU+5y12q2InV6AaP6lZUhT38IzfaR7KBBZ2QBUyxPifNxprH2cuulrrv UsCg/hxaO3bw3PjDjrayXo0o3MIfsPVs/8Vw6EfKzCAntKpA6JpZ8BnIjEheWHY3LKnzHtF3RbB lJV000nIDKoCZxv3uTVkeYosXtveEm5pElaXSbKItl61J/yZUdXE/WGn0FfeZdJ1Xsorjr4Ukqz 3sOOSAHAopEd76vJyF+IhP3mktZzcMpwPX6iFoJu3p15uIwG7g8pP/uLhhRWUb7B+hKFw== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:46:30 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01C0_01D152E1.4D57BD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Daniele. It would be nice as a general principle to have the document nit-free before last call, but anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last call comments and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe the same applies to the formatting, page breaks and so on? I reviewed and commented on this document some time back and it appears to be much better now. Thanks to the authors. Here are some nits... The Abstract is full of abbreviations that will need to be expanded. The text uses the term "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to be "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an RFC. It would be nice if the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more help. Specifically... IANA maintains a registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Signal Type". IANA is requested to make three further allocations from that registry as follows. You might also give IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they will want to know whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or values in the 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5. I don't see how G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks to me from http://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=11321 that the revision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for agreement"). And lastly (I'm sure we've had this discussion before) the registry is marked with the Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document is marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will (should) refuse to assign the code points. Cheers, Adrian From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: 19 January 2016 10:47 To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Working group, Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we're ready to start the WG last for this document. This starts a two weeks working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02. The last call ends on Tuesday February 2nd. Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list. All the IPR declarations from authors and contributors have been collected and can be found in the history of the document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3/ history/ Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this draft. If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the document, please volunteer. Thanks Daniele & Fatai ------=_NextPart_000_01C0_01D152E1.4D57BD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks = Daniele.

 

It would be nice as a = general principle to have the document nit-free before last call, but = anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last call comments = and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe the same = applies to the formatting, page breaks and so = on?

 

I reviewed and = commented on this document some time back and it appears to be much = better now. Thanks to the authors.

 

Here are some = nits...

 

The Abstract is full = of abbreviations that will need to be expanded.

 

The text uses the term = "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to be = "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an = RFC.

 

It would be nice if = the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more help. = Specifically...

IANA maintains a = registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) = Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Signal = Type". IANA is requested to make three further allocations from = that registry as follows.

You might also give = IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they will want to know = whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or values in the = 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5.

 

I don't see how = G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks to me from = http://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D11321 that the = revision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for = agreement").

 

And lastly (I'm sure = we've had this discussion before) the registry is marked with the = Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document is = marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will = (should) refuse to assign the code points.

 

Cheers,

Adrian

 

 

 

From: CCAMP = [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele = Ceccarelli
Sent: 19 January 2016 10:47
To: CCAMP = (ccamp@ietf.org)
Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on = draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for = sheperd

 

Working = group,

 

Thanks to the prompt reply from the = authors we’re ready to start the WG last for this document. =

 

This starts a two weeks working group = last call on = draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02.

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>The last call ends on Tuesday =  February 2nd.

Please send your comments to the CCAMP = mailing list.

 

All the IPR declarations from authors = and contributors have been collected and can be found in the history of = the document:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccam= p-additional-signal-type-g709v3/history/

Please note that no IPR was disclosed = against this draft.

 

If anyone is willing to be the = shepherd of the document, please volunteer.

 

Thanks

Daniele & = Fatai

 

------=_NextPart_000_01C0_01D152E1.4D57BD50-- From nobody Tue Jan 19 22:19:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529E61A6FE7 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 22:18:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7bCsgBR0FBXN for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 22:18:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70B601A6FE5 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 22:18:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CHD08427; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 06:18:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML707-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.199) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 06:18:49 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.70) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.199) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 06:18:49 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA504-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.162]) by szxema411-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.70]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 14:18:36 +0800 From: Fatai Zhang To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "'Daniele Ceccarelli'" , "'CCAMP'" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thread-Index: AdFSppQiEnkellx9R4+Kcp/CADqbcf//71AA//6pRVA= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 06:18:35 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05C@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> <01bf01d152e1$4bb9ebd0$e32dc370$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <01bf01d152e1$4bb9ebd0$e32dc370$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.66.72.159] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF85CD49CDASZXEMA504MBSchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020206.569F26CB.0014, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.8.162, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 22f2c4df45506bdd8162e2b9a1a2af7d Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 06:18:59 -0000 --_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF85CD49CDASZXEMA504MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adrian, Thanks for your review. I just have one question to confirm my understanding. We know that G.sup43 is a non-normative recommendation defined by ITU-T SG1= 5, is it valid to define a "Standards Track" RFC for G.sup43? Best Regards Fatai From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:46 AM To: 'Daniele Ceccarelli'; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-typ= e-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thanks Daniele. It would be nice as a general principle to have the document nit-free befor= e last call, but anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last ca= ll comments and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe= the same applies to the formatting, page breaks and so on? I reviewed and commented on this document some time back and it appears to = be much better now. Thanks to the authors. Here are some nits... The Abstract is full of abbreviations that will need to be expanded. The text uses the term "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to be= "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an RFC. It would be nice if the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more= help. Specifically... IANA maintains a registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switchin= g (GMPLS) Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Signal Type"= . IANA is requested to make three further allocations from that registry as= follows. You might also give IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they w= ill want to know whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or= values in the 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5. I don't see how G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks t= o me from http://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D11321 tha= t the revision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for agreement= "). And lastly (I'm sure we've had this discussion before) the registry is mark= ed with the Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document is = marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will (should) refuse to= assign the code points. Cheers, Adrian From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: 19 January 2016 10:47 To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3-02 and call for sheperd Working group, Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we're ready to start the WG las= t for this document. This starts a two weeks working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additio= nal-signal-type-g709v3-02. The last call ends on Tuesday February 2nd. Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list. All the IPR declarations from authors and contributors have been collected = and can be found in the history of the document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3/history/ Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this draft. If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the document, please volunteer. Thanks Daniele & Fatai --_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF85CD49CDASZXEMA504MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Adrian,

 

Thanks for your review.

 

I just have one question to confirm my understanding.

 

We know that G.sup43 is a non-normative recommendation defined by= ITU-T SG15, is it valid to define a “Standards Track” RFC for = G.sup43?

 

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

Best Re= gards

&n= bsp;

Fatai

 

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:46 AM
To: 'Daniele Ceccarelli'; 'CCAMP'
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-sig= nal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Thanks = Daniele.

&n= bsp;

It woul= d be nice as a general principle to have the document nit-free before last = call, but anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last call comm= ents and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe the same applies to the formatting, page break= s and so on?

&n= bsp;

I revie= wed and commented on this document some time back and it appears to be much= better now. Thanks to the authors.

&n= bsp;

Here ar= e some nits...

&n= bsp;

The Abs= tract is full of abbreviations that will need to be expanded.

&n= bsp;

The tex= t uses the term "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to= be "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an = RFC.

&n= bsp;

It woul= d be nice if the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more help. = Specifically...

IANA ma= intains a registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching = (GMPLS) Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Sign= al Type". IANA is requested to make three further allocations from that registry as follows.

You mig= ht also give IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they will wan= t to know whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or values= in the 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5.

&n= bsp;

I don't= see how G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks to me fr= om h= ttp://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D11321 that the r= evision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for agreement&q= uot;).

&n= bsp;

And las= tly (I'm sure we've had this discussion before) the registry is marked with= the Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document = is marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will (should) refuse to assign the code points.

&n= bsp;

Cheers,=

Adrian<= o:p>

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

From: CCAMP [mail= to:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: 19 January 2016 10:47
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)
Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-= type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Working group,

 

Thanks to the prompt reply from= the authors we’re ready to start the WG last for this document.

 

This starts a two weeks working= group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02.=

The last call ends on Tuesday &= nbsp;February 2nd.

Please send your comments to th= e CCAMP mailing list.

 

All the IPR declarations from a= uthors and contributors have been collected and can be found in the history= of the document:

https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3/= history/

Please note that no IPR was dis= closed against this draft.

 

If anyone is willing to be the = shepherd of the document, please volunteer.

 =

Thanks=

Daniele & Fatai=

 

--_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF85CD49CDASZXEMA504MBSchi_-- From nobody Wed Jan 20 02:16:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164491B39B8 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 02:16:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BhE6TimNeW_I for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 02:16:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCB761B39BD for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 02:16:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u0KAG9gF008254; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:16:09 GMT Received: from 950129200 (255.56-78-194.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be [194.78.56.255]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u0KAG72Y008245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:16:08 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Fatai Zhang'" , "'Daniele Ceccarelli'" , "'CCAMP'" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:16:05 -0000 Message-ID: <031701d1536b$9303c940$b90b5bc0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0318_01D1536B.9307C0E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdFTayP8XnH1vxxMRdWh9CNIdXpy0g== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22076.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--16.441-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--16.441-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: Xxz90/Ib/ZhbJCKOm3VRCZC5cUkRGjKlPQlKJ9DUxnlE+XrXgWG2WoGz up3QMMFlia9Q2pMjM0+Vjmqvt/p8coN12XKYbuJLXjbObVmL4wlIeBRUygi/YTeN6XEp4FxwsSW ZW0eF2vblbaN88L5QJ+YAh37ZsBDC1kqyrcMalqU4PPb1XDCZIVN4+W/gDVHWTGcP5NqJXx9hjZ VjbJ+2B6MhXbS+aCTjcFEiuPxHjsW6hgVvSdGKozASEdbkpUDPVEgEe2cy9YQgfgnqxlBKuc/PC mgLkWHoORupHZrb260ER9Ta+6BEXWpiq4KsutXC31GU/N5W5BB9VWFMmxnSYp/CZFZiRlCtGYff kVXgB2hwyAmzxb7Z01Ep96PnqFJs0HjeANoeuJ34JyR+b5tvoJHbyMTbnMu/Ijfg8TZmuIgjQq8 6+6LxdRFyIYZe6FcSu72KpAktHS+Vq+okl1rYDzDJ9a3KikGoWKtyhKFtvjJhwkdWPOgiJeW+U5 oHsj+FXvtPCejx1LP6YdEve7M6IqFiPo/lDWJLyWCL+8tLbvbTho2VKhloxICm0p2UmIaiwbUPQ vgaX7qcW/yNFy4iXbxygpRxo469C4rWEiK1IgcifM7JMNHW64VFXipBZ10aw3bPkz7m9vJrtgfn BAuSMzblc6Gei4nld7yMwO18iIghBdUXaqx1XbXcdpVx4xdSIvwdoLo6xB8wehHQpjQxlVWxAz9 Ls6I18kwXqnKVk1ZUXvI6K7iraSBW9lXcEHZA0ToSvkRVqOZbYToDRWMGWpDQiv0Qe0IxWe1mDH wEam40RLN0QcxzujbN0t/c2qF2CjCjLqEWJ+ybKItl61J/yZUdXE/WGn0FfeZdJ1Xsorh7EN+WL fYASACA6qeyxLhRU1KZM+CwdiE07nrXlOsRu7D4nw+LakpSEPym6WRGpFw= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:16:36 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0318_01D1536B.9307C0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would say "yes", but Deborah is now cc'ed. Adrian -- Celebrate the New Year by buying someone you love a book. Tales from the Wood - Eighteen new fairy tales http://www.feedaread.com/books/Tales-from-the-Wood-9781786100924.aspx http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood-Adrian-Farrel/dp/1786100924 Or buy from me direct. From: Fatai Zhang [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com] Sent: 20 January 2016 06:19 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Daniele Ceccarelli'; 'CCAMP' Subject: RE: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Hi Adrian, Thanks for your review. I just have one question to confirm my understanding. We know that G.sup43 is a non-normative recommendation defined by ITU-T SG15, is it valid to define a "Standards Track" RFC for G.sup43? Best Regards Fatai From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:46 AM To: 'Daniele Ceccarelli'; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thanks Daniele. It would be nice as a general principle to have the document nit-free before last call, but anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last call comments and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe the same applies to the formatting, page breaks and so on? I reviewed and commented on this document some time back and it appears to be much better now. Thanks to the authors. Here are some nits... The Abstract is full of abbreviations that will need to be expanded. The text uses the term "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to be "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an RFC. It would be nice if the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more help. Specifically... IANA maintains a registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Signal Type". IANA is requested to make three further allocations from that registry as follows. You might also give IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they will want to know whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or values in the 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5. I don't see how G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks to me from http://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=11321 that the revision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for agreement"). And lastly (I'm sure we've had this discussion before) the registry is marked with the Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document is marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will (should) refuse to assign the code points. Cheers, Adrian From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: 19 January 2016 10:47 To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Working group, Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we're ready to start the WG last for this document. This starts a two weeks working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02. The last call ends on Tuesday February 2nd. Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list. All the IPR declarations from authors and contributors have been collected and can be found in the history of the document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3/ history/ Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this draft. If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the document, please volunteer. Thanks Daniele & Fatai ------=_NextPart_000_0318_01D1536B.9307C0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would say = "yes", but Deborah is now cc'ed.

 

Adrian

--

Celebrate the New Year by buying = someone you love a book.

Tales from the Wood - Eighteen = new fairy tales

http://www.feedaread.com/books/Tal= es-from-the-Wood-9781786100924.aspx

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood= -Adrian-Farrel/dp/1786100924

Or buy from me = direct.

 

 

 

From: Fatai Zhang = [mailto:zhangfatai@huawei.com]
Sent: 20 January 2016 = 06:19
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Daniele Ceccarelli'; = 'CCAMP'
Subject: RE: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on = draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for = sheperd

 

Hi Adrian,

 

Thanks for your review.

 

I just have one question to confirm my understanding. =

 

We know that G.sup43 is a non-normative = recommendation defined by ITU-T SG15, is it valid to define a = “Standards Track” RFC for G.sup43?

 

 

 

 

 

Best Regards

 

Fatai

 

From: CCAMP = [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian = Farrel
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:46 AM
To: = 'Daniele Ceccarelli'; 'CCAMP'
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last = Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for = sheperd

 <= /o:p>

Thanks = Daniele.

 

It would be nice as a = general principle to have the document nit-free before last call, but = anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last call comments = and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe the same = applies to the formatting, page breaks and so = on?

 

I reviewed and = commented on this document some time back and it appears to be much = better now. Thanks to the authors.

 

Here are some = nits...

 

The Abstract is full = of abbreviations that will need to be expanded.

 

The text uses the = term "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to be = "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an = RFC.

 

It would be nice if = the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more help. = Specifically...

IANA maintains a = registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) = Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Signal = Type". IANA is requested to make three further allocations from = that registry as follows.

You might also give = IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they will want to know = whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or values in the = 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5.

 

I don't see how = G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks to me from ht= tp://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D11321 that the = revision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for = agreement").

 

And lastly (I'm sure = we've had this discussion before) the registry is marked with the = Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document is = marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will = (should) refuse to assign the code points.

 

Cheers,

Adrian

 

 

 

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org]= On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: 19 January 2016 = 10:47
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)
Subject: = [CCAMP] WG Last Call on = draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for = sheperd

 

Working = group,

 <= /o:p>

Thanks to = the prompt reply from the authors we’re ready to start the WG last = for this document.

 <= /o:p>

This starts = a two weeks working group last call on = draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02.

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>The last = call ends on Tuesday  February 2nd. =

Please send = your comments to the CCAMP mailing list.

 <= /o:p>

All the IPR = declarations from authors and contributors have been collected and can = be found in the history of the document:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccam= p-additional-signal-type-g709v3/history/

Please note = that no IPR was disclosed against this draft.

 <= /o:p>

If anyone = is willing to be the shepherd of the document, please = volunteer.

 <= /o:p>

Thanks<= /o:p>

Daniele = & Fatai

 <= /o:p>

------=_NextPart_000_0318_01D1536B.9307C0E0-- From nobody Wed Jan 20 13:00:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621D01ACE74 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 13:00:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N2KpE7m5Hn59 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5FB21ACE59 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:59:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=14284; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1453323599; x=1454533199; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=2dmIv99W65TBEy00nv+eMvuOE/Mn0Zm2fK7dUKrw0CY=; b=byhXGUTC2E05cC+G0JSwCjrmiZBl6PHgFJLrTWReqIfBiVFQtA4hYiCF DRb50yatVFhx7BbXh33H6vzmbBhkMc+Ytb4IgNYlCgUZ+GBrM/GmBRuEo NzwDAkhwTDmw1/et/AkKLlQR8Ld8E4IQr73aXS88arIQlbzz2S8rG978j w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AnAgBw9J9W/5hdJa1egm5MUm0GiFGwI?= =?us-ascii?q?YITAQ2BZCSFawKBRDgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhDQBAQEEHRBBCxACAQgRBAEBKAcyFAk?= =?us-ascii?q?IAgQBDQUIiBMOvh4BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEVhjqEdIR+CYQFBZJ/h?= =?us-ascii?q?AUBhUeIEIFlhESIXopsg1QBHgEBQoIygTVqAYYVAXsBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.22,322,1449532800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="65585077" Received: from rcdn-core-1.cisco.com ([173.37.93.152]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 20 Jan 2016 20:59:58 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com (xch-rcd-001.cisco.com [173.37.102.11]) by rcdn-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u0KKxwW5031488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:59:58 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 14:59:57 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 14:59:57 -0600 From: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "'Daniele Ceccarelli'" , "'CCAMP'" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thread-Index: AQIY0oApDZeHSRfZ63P7HMKZDMQFhp50Fq/wgAHO5pA= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:59:57 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05C@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> <01bf01d152e1$4bb9ebd0$e32dc370$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <01bf01d152e1$4bb9ebd0$e32dc370$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.95] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_aede59a1a8ed4b52a0d97b0f30a22992XCHRCD001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:00:03 -0000 --_000_aede59a1a8ed4b52a0d97b0f30a22992XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Adrian. We'll make the changes you suggest after LC (the G.sup43 on= e pending confirmation). Cheers Matt From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:46 PM To: 'Daniele Ceccarelli' ; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-typ= e-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thanks Daniele. It would be nice as a general principle to have the document nit-free befor= e last call, but anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last ca= ll comments and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe= the same applies to the formatting, page breaks and so on? I reviewed and commented on this document some time back and it appears to = be much better now. Thanks to the authors. Here are some nits... The Abstract is full of abbreviations that will need to be expanded. The text uses the term "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to be= "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an RFC. It would be nice if the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more= help. Specifically... IANA maintains a registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switchin= g (GMPLS) Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Signal Type"= . IANA is requested to make three further allocations from that registry as= follows. You might also give IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they w= ill want to know whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or= values in the 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5. I don't see how G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks t= o me from http://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D11321 tha= t the revision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for agreement= "). And lastly (I'm sure we've had this discussion before) the registry is mark= ed with the Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document is = marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will (should) refuse to= assign the code points. Cheers, Adrian From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: 19 January 2016 10:47 To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3-02 and call for sheperd Working group, Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we're ready to start the WG las= t for this document. This starts a two weeks working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additio= nal-signal-type-g709v3-02. The last call ends on Tuesday February 2nd. Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list. All the IPR declarations from authors and contributors have been collected = and can be found in the history of the document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3/history/ Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this draft. If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the document, please volunteer. Thanks Daniele & Fatai --_000_aede59a1a8ed4b52a0d97b0f30a22992XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks, Adrian. We’ll make= the changes you suggest after LC (the G.sup43 one pending confirmation).

 

Cheers

 

Matt

 

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] <= b>On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:46 PM
To: 'Daniele Ceccarelli' <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; 'C= CAMP' <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-sig= nal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Thanks = Daniele.

&n= bsp;

It woul= d be nice as a general principle to have the document nit-free before last = call, but anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last call comm= ents and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe the same applies to the formatting, page break= s and so on?

&n= bsp;

I revie= wed and commented on this document some time back and it appears to be much= better now. Thanks to the authors.

&n= bsp;

Here ar= e some nits...

&n= bsp;

The Abs= tract is full of abbreviations that will need to be expanded.

&n= bsp;

The tex= t uses the term "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to= be "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an = RFC.

&n= bsp;

It woul= d be nice if the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more help. = Specifically...

IANA ma= intains a registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching = (GMPLS) Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Sign= al Type". IANA is requested to make three further allocations from that registry as follows.

You mig= ht also give IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they will wan= t to know whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or values= in the 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5.

&n= bsp;

I don't= see how G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks to me fr= om h= ttp://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D11321 that the r= evision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for agreement&q= uot;).

&n= bsp;

And las= tly (I'm sure we've had this discussion before) the registry is marked with= the Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document = is marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will (should) refuse to assign the code points.

&n= bsp;

Cheers,=

Adrian<= o:p>

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: 19 January 2016 10:47
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)
Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-= type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Working group,

 

Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we’= ;re ready to start the WG last for this document.

 

This starts a two weeks working group last call on d= raft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02.

The last call ends on Tuesday  February 2nd.

Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list.=

 

All the IPR declarations from authors and contributo= rs have been collected and can be found in the history of the document:

https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3/history/

Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this d= raft.

 

If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the docum= ent, please volunteer.

 

Thanks

Daniele & Fatai

 

--_000_aede59a1a8ed4b52a0d97b0f30a22992XCHRCD001ciscocom_-- From nobody Wed Jan 20 13:00:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879831ACE90 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 13:00:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Wr5u_A4RjbN for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 13:00:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CFDF1ACE7D for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 13:00:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=6610; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1453323621; x=1454533221; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=3OnWPyHNCKnhh8ib57Wo7/58oiFn7SaL+jcRZTyMOPQ=; b=fyvPiJ05PzjYbhRWHdkV7PN3M5PXRuYkUkKw5beCdXzVLci4CUdzkZa2 kXaljNEFETNDaFOMVg2j+jC7ldYYqy9Mo07HoAUUoev+N3oGoV9hxbzGH OLVb7b73U7pQg0TNxe31uHyV4kWA47R8k6u5Hq/Nb6aQsW7zEJCZvvS+x o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AnAgCu9J9W/51dJa1egm5MUm0GiFGyN?= =?us-ascii?q?AENgWQkhWsCgUM4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQ0AQEBBB0QQQsQAgEIEQQBASgHMhQJCAE?= =?us-ascii?q?BBAENBQiIEw6+JQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAREEhjqEdIR+CYQFBZcEA?= =?us-ascii?q?YVHiBCBZYREiF6KbINUAR4BAUKCMoE1aoYWAXsBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.22,322,1449532800"; d="scan'208,217";a="228861647" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 20 Jan 2016 21:00:20 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-005.cisco.com (xch-rcd-005.cisco.com [173.37.102.15]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u0KL0KBO005512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:00:20 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-RCD-005.cisco.com (173.37.102.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:00:19 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:00:19 -0600 From: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" To: Daniele Ceccarelli , "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thread-Index: AdFSppQiEnkellx9R4+Kcp/CADqbcQBHvhYQ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:00:19 +0000 Message-ID: <53eb9ec831ed42a7bf1fb00bc1cd5ca3@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> References: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05C@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05C@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.95] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_53eb9ec831ed42a7bf1fb00bc1cd5ca3XCHRCD001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:00:28 -0000 --_000_53eb9ec831ed42a7bf1fb00bc1cd5ca3XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support (as co-author) Cheers Matt From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 5:47 AM To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3-02 and call for sheperd Working group, Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we're ready to start the WG las= t for this document. This starts a two weeks working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additio= nal-signal-type-g709v3-02. The last call ends on Tuesday February 2nd. Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list. All the IPR declarations from authors and contributors have been collected = and can be found in the history of the document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3/history/ Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this draft. If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the document, please volunteer. Thanks Daniele & Fatai --_000_53eb9ec831ed42a7bf1fb00bc1cd5ca3XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support (as co-author)

 

Cheers

 

Matt

 

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] <= b>On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 5:47 AM
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-= type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Working group,

 

Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we’= ;re ready to start the WG last for this document.

 

This starts a two weeks working group last call on d= raft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02.

The last call ends on Tuesday  February 2nd.

Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list.=

 

All the IPR declarations from authors and contributo= rs have been collected and can be found in the history of the document:

https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3/history/

Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this d= raft.

 

If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the docum= ent, please volunteer.

 

Thanks

Daniele & Fatai

 

--_000_53eb9ec831ed42a7bf1fb00bc1cd5ca3XCHRCD001ciscocom_-- From nobody Wed Jan 20 20:50:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2801ACE07 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:50:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bdijqLRtpHV4 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 256651A9134 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:50:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=6628; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1453351822; x=1454561422; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=mivxX8AovxQo/Nhb7Irq+BjrI1q3Bcxm5L1F1wfD/Jg=; b=j7X8qFlmTSr4HThynr0YuqLlhgPiSlOsoAiKRPP8c5C/U55A3jxwM651 GYMbI44lGES91g8paSn6gNMuRLm7g0qk66cJrJNRYM+WJz0IrgDxUDvNC HGvUxsdH81sWbzjyp9A7SR5pvHnFUMfEgffWuoBbp5C0ofQGBJ++xxIDR w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0D9AQCgYqBW/4sNJK1egm5MUm0GiFGwE?= =?us-ascii?q?IITAQ2BZCSFawKBODgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhDQBAgQdEEEdAQgRAwECKDkUCQoEARK?= =?us-ascii?q?IGw68JwEBAQEBAQEDAQEBAQEBAQEUBIY6hHSEcQ0JhAUFjWqJGgGFR4gXgV6ER?= =?us-ascii?q?IheimyDVAEeAQFCgjKBNWqGFnwBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.22,324,1449532800"; d="scan'208,217";a="228010969" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 21 Jan 2016 04:50:21 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-017.cisco.com (xch-rtp-017.cisco.com [64.101.220.157]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u0L4oK47017663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jan 2016 04:50:21 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-018.cisco.com (64.101.220.158) by XCH-RTP-017.cisco.com (64.101.220.157) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:50:20 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-018.cisco.com ([64.101.220.158]) by XCH-RTP-018.cisco.com ([64.101.220.158]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:50:20 -0500 From: "Zafar Ali (zali)" To: Daniele Ceccarelli , "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thread-Index: AQHRVAc6Enkellx9R4+Kcp/CADqbcQ== Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 04:50:19 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.8.151023 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.197.130] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D2C5CD8F15C731zaliciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 04:50:24 -0000 --_000_D2C5CD8F15C731zaliciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi- This is a very slim draft that has been stable for quite some time. I suppo= rt this LC (as a co-author). Thanks Regards ... Zafar From: CCAMP > on beha= lf of Daniele Ceccarelli > Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at 5:47 AM To: "ccamp@ietf.org" > Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3-02 and call for sheperd Working group, Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we're ready to start the WG las= t for this document. This starts a two weeks working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additio= nal-signal-type-g709v3-02. The last call ends on Tuesday February 2nd. Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list. All the IPR declarations from authors and contributors have been collected = and can be found in the history of the document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3/history/ Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this draft. If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the document, please volunteer. 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Hi- 

This is a very slim draft that has been stable for quite some time. I = support this LC (as a co-author). 

Thanks

Regards … Zafar

From: CCAMP <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Daniele = Ceccarelli <daniele.c= eccarelli@ericsson.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 at = 5:47 AM
To: "ccamp@ietf.org" <cca= mp@ietf.org>
Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on dr= aft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

Working group,

 

Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we’= ;re ready to start the WG last for this document.

 

This starts a two weeks working group last call on d= raft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02.

The last call ends on Tuesday  February 2nd.

Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list.=

 

All the IPR declarations from authors and contributo= rs have been collected and can be found in the history of the document:

https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3/history/

Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this d= raft.

 

If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the docum= ent, please volunteer.

 

Thanks

Daniele & Fatai

 

 --_000_D2C5CD8F15C731zaliciscocom_-- From nobody Thu Jan 21 01:01:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AA31A1ADD for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 01:01:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TJgtygrn0uHP for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 01:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from sesbmg23.ericsson.net (sesbmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.37]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F46A1A1AF6 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 01:01:14 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-f797e6d000007600-81-56a09e583850 Received: from ESESSHC006.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.36]) by sesbmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 19.7D.30208.85E90A65; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:01:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB301.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.140]) by ESESSHC006.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:01:12 +0100 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , 'CCAMP' Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thread-Index: AdFSppQiEnkellx9R4+Kcp/CADqbcQAMlSAAADkOkYAAGchl0A== Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:01:11 +0000 Message-ID: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE48161896CC@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> References: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05C@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> <01bf01d152e1$4bb9ebd0$e32dc370$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.18] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE48161896CCESESSMB301erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprPIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7im7EvAVhBh1z1Sx+9Nxgtngy5waL xZyXzA7MHlN+b2T1WLLkJ5PHis0rGQOYo7hsUlJzMstSi/TtErgy/n7YwlLQvZWx4suUq4wN jHPnM3YxcnJICJhIfG/4xgRhi0lcuLeerYuRi0NI4DCjxNKO2awQzhJGiZcTzwI5HBxsAlYS Tw75gJgiAtUSLR1mIL3CArkSJzZ8ZgGxRQTyJK4e2scKYTtJ3Lv4D8xmEVCVeLH4JdguXgFf ibXnd0GN38ko0fJ1GlgRp4CrxOkfC9lBbEYBWYkJuxeBHcosIC5x68l8qEMFJJbsOc8MYYtK vHwMsUBCQFHi46t9UPX5Eo3vJrNCLBOUODnzCcsERpFZSEbNQlI2C0kZRFxP4sbUKWwQtrbE soWvmSFsXYkZ/w6xIIsvYGRfxShanFqclJtuZKyXWpSZXFycn6eXl1qyiREYbQe3/FbdwXj5 jeMhRgEORiUeXoOb88OEWBPLiitzDzFKcDArifDKqSwIE+JNSaysSi3Kjy8qzUktPsQozcGi JM6bJNMYJiSQnliSmp2aWpBaBJNl4uCUamDsORj5K3JhY0v81biYfdWr2QR/La74aM4f7fXc 4H+nxLaLl3SPnq6dUbww0/N5TWtOqaC3oGHqFRuhsyIzHjROPXKn3nTJpbi1HJ0bZJOiVz5a FZ1UtCR/QvHuU4Gbcl5zF86cd1WvsCrhgt7v1Lhf+bdmXukyerhr0rq4JRcsT028sejH845i JZbijERDLeai4kQAfnyijbICAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:01:23 -0000 --_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE48161896CCESESSMB301erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt, authors, Some more comments from my side. -Abstract: Please substitute GMPLS with RSVP-TE, we're just defining new v= alues for RSVP-TE, not the whole GMPLS suite. (Are you planning to define = also extensions to OSPF? It's a bit weird to be able to signal something bu= t not to advertise it). -Introduction: I'd substitute "ODU-related" with "the digital layer of the = G.709 OTN", or "the Optical Channel Data Unit" -Introduction: same comment as abstract -Normative reference: RFC7139 occurs twice. -Intended status: I think that draft has to be standard track. Even if g.su= p43 is not a standard document we're defining a standard behavior for RSVP-= TE. Thanks Daniele From: Matt Hartley (mhartley) [mailto:mhartley@cisco.com] Sent: mercoled=EC 20 gennaio 2016 22:00 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; Daniele Ceccarelli; 'CCAMP' Cc: Matt Hartley (mhartley) Subject: RE: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-typ= e-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thanks, Adrian. We'll make the changes you suggest after LC (the G.sup43 on= e pending confirmation). Cheers Matt From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:46 PM To: 'Daniele Ceccarelli' >; 'CCAMP' > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-typ= e-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thanks Daniele. It would be nice as a general principle to have the document nit-free befor= e last call, but anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last ca= ll comments and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe= the same applies to the formatting, page breaks and so on? I reviewed and commented on this document some time back and it appears to = be much better now. Thanks to the authors. Here are some nits... The Abstract is full of abbreviations that will need to be expanded. The text uses the term "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to be= "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an RFC. It would be nice if the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more= help. Specifically... IANA maintains a registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switchin= g (GMPLS) Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Signal Type"= . IANA is requested to make three further allocations from that registry as= follows. You might also give IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they w= ill want to know whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or= values in the 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5. I don't see how G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks t= o me from http://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D11321 tha= t the revision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for agreement= "). And lastly (I'm sure we've had this discussion before) the registry is mark= ed with the Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document is = marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will (should) refuse to= assign the code points. Cheers, Adrian From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: 19 January 2016 10:47 To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3-02 and call for sheperd Working group, Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we're ready to start the WG las= t for this document. This starts a two weeks working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additio= nal-signal-type-g709v3-02. The last call ends on Tuesday February 2nd. Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list. All the IPR declarations from authors and contributors have been collected = and can be found in the history of the document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3/history/ Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this draft. If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the document, please volunteer. Thanks Daniele & Fatai --_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE48161896CCESESSMB301erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Matt, authors,

 

Some more comments fro= m my side.

 

-Abstract:  Pleas= e substitute GMPLS with RSVP-TE, we’re just defining new values for R= SVP-TE, not the whole GMPLS suite.  (Are you planning to define also e= xtensions to OSPF? It’s a bit weird to be able to signal something but not to advertise it).

 

-Introduction: I’= ;d substitute “ODU-related” with “the digital layer of th= e G.709 OTN”, or “the Optical Channel Data Unit”

 

-Introduction: same co= mment as abstract

 

-Normative reference: = RFC7139 occurs twice.

 

-Intended status: I th= ink that draft has to be standard track. Even if g.sup43 is not a standard = document we’re defining a standard behavior for RSVP-TE.

 

Thanks

Daniele

 

From: Matt Har= tley (mhartley) [mailto:mhartley@cisco.com]
Sent: mercoled=EC 20 gennaio 2016 22:00
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; Daniele Ceccarelli; 'CCAMP'
Cc: Matt Hartley (mhartley)
Subject: RE: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-sig= nal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Thanks, Adrian. We&#= 8217;ll make the changes you suggest after LC (the G.sup43 one pending conf= irmation).

 

Cheers

 

Matt

 

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:46 PM
To: 'Daniele Ceccarelli' <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; 'CCAMP' <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-sig= nal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Thanks = Daniele.

&n= bsp;

It woul= d be nice as a general principle to have the document nit-free before last = call, but anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last call comm= ents and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe the same applies to the formatting, page break= s and so on?

&n= bsp;

I revie= wed and commented on this document some time back and it appears to be much= better now. Thanks to the authors.

&n= bsp;

Here ar= e some nits...

&n= bsp;

The Abs= tract is full of abbreviations that will need to be expanded.

&n= bsp;

The tex= t uses the term "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to= be "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an = RFC.

&n= bsp;

It woul= d be nice if the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more help. = Specifically...

IANA ma= intains a registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching = (GMPLS) Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Sign= al Type". IANA is requested to make three further allocations from that registry as follows.

You mig= ht also give IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they will wan= t to know whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or values= in the 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5.

&n= bsp;

I don't= see how G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks to me fr= om h= ttp://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D11321 that the r= evision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for agreement&q= uot;).

&n= bsp;

And las= tly (I'm sure we've had this discussion before) the registry is marked with= the Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document = is marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will (should) refuse to assign the code points.

&n= bsp;

Cheers,=

Adrian<= o:p>

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

From: CCAMP [<= a href=3D"mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: 19 January 2016 10:47
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)
Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-= type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Working group,

 

Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we’= ;re ready to start the WG last for this document.

 

This starts a two weeks working group last call on d= raft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02.

The last call ends on Tuesday  February 2nd.

Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list.=

 

All the IPR declarations from authors and contributo= rs have been collected and can be found in the history of the document:

https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3/history/

Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this d= raft.

 

If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the docum= ent, please volunteer.

 

Thanks

Daniele & Fatai

 

--_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE48161896CCESESSMB301erics_-- From nobody Thu Jan 21 01:44:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F8B1A1BC2 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 01:44:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o8W4u5Yx1mb4 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 01:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sessmg23.ericsson.net (sessmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 800B21A1BC3 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 01:44:27 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-f79456d000001332-01-56a0a879c78a Received: from ESESSHC024.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.90]) by sessmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 06.AF.04914.978A0A65; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:44:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB301.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.140]) by ESESSHC024.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.90]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:44:24 +0100 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: Dieter Beller , Fatai Zhang , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , 'CCAMP' Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thread-Index: AdFSppQiEnkellx9R4+Kcp/CADqbcQAMlSAAABpGiYAANtXwAAAEomeg Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:44:24 +0000 Message-ID: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4816189771@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> References: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05C@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> <01bf01d152e1$4bb9ebd0$e32dc370$@olddog.co.uk> <56A096BA.3070905@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <56A096BA.3070905@nokia.com> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.18] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4816189771ESESSMB301erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrFIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2J7lG7ligVhBrtuiFr86LnBbPFkzg0W i3VL7rBY9DWfZ3Vg8Wg58pbVY8mSn0wed29dYvJYsXklYwBLFJdNSmpOZllqkb5dAlfG2jOz mApmbWOs6HjwhrGBsWcBYxcjJ4eEgInEpL1zWSBsMYkL99azgdhCAocZJRZt8uxi5AKylzBK rN7cx9TFyMHBJmAl8eSQD0hcRGA2o8Sho+9YQRqEBXIlTmz4DDZIRCBP4uqhfawg9SICbhIX p9WChFkEVCValh9mArF5BXwlnh5qYYKY/5JR4vJFiCM4BTQlXr1sApvJKCArMWH3IrBDmQXE JW49mc8EcaiAxJI955khbFGJl4//sULYihIfX+2Dqs+X+HUWYg6vgKDEyZlPWCYwisxCMmoW krJZSMog4noSN6ZOYYOwtSWWLXzNDGHrSsz4d4gFWXwBI/sqRtHi1OLi3HQjY73Uoszk4uL8 PL281JJNjMAYPLjlt+4OxtWvHQ8xCnAwKvHwGtycHybEmlhWXJl7iFGCg1lJhFdOZUGYEG9K YmVValF+fFFpTmrxIUZpDhYlcd5kmcYwIYH0xJLU7NTUgtQimCwTB6dUA6PN/t8NsbP0rK9a 22coZPPNlZ9Yu5HPZO2edqsDoSnrHjh+WKq19jBX0Z3Xl09dP7aOo+KBPusRgZ2Wm49qFOx6 XPs5ek2up8whpcuW8y1blkZEL4561s/NGR+17vJfgXl+nYIc0RcPTYi+naln57P19L8UT5Vf S1IuXSn6qbMsdDXLer/Qpa1KLMUZiYZazEXFiQC+P0ywvQIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:44:32 -0000 --_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4816189771ESESSMB301erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dieter, I don't think here the point is whether g.sup43 is normative or informative= . We're defining an extension to a protocol, and: - If an implementation wants to claim compatibility to the RFCtobe= , the extension MUST be supported by the implementation - If we want the IANA to assign a code, the document needs to be s= tandard track. BR Daniele From: Dieter Beller [mailto:Dieter.Beller@nokia.com] Sent: gioved=EC 21 gennaio 2016 09:29 To: Fatai Zhang; adrian@olddog.co.uk; Daniele Ceccarelli; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-typ= e-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Hi Adrian, all, I concur with Fatai. The rules concerning supplements are provided in ITU-T recommendation A.13,= see: http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D5280 There you find: 2.4 Supplements are only informative and are therefore not conside= red to be an integral part of any Recommendation(s). Thanks, Dieter On 20.01.2016 07:18, Fatai Zhang wrote: Hi Adrian, Thanks for your review. I just have one question to confirm my understanding. We know that G.sup43 is a non-normative recommendation defined by ITU-T SG1= 5, is it valid to define a "Standards Track" RFC for G.sup43? Best Regards Fatai From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:46 AM To: 'Daniele Ceccarelli'; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-typ= e-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thanks Daniele. It would be nice as a general principle to have the document nit-free befor= e last call, but anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last ca= ll comments and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe= the same applies to the formatting, page breaks and so on? I reviewed and commented on this document some time back and it appears to = be much better now. Thanks to the authors. Here are some nits... The Abstract is full of abbreviations that will need to be expanded. The text uses the term "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to be= "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an RFC. It would be nice if the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more= help. Specifically... IANA maintains a registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switchin= g (GMPLS) Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Signal Type"= . IANA is requested to make three further allocations from that registry as= follows. You might also give IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they w= ill want to know whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or= values in the 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5. I don't see how G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks t= o me from http://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D11321 tha= t the revision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for agreement= "). And lastly (I'm sure we've had this discussion before) the registry is mark= ed with the Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document is = marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will (should) refuse to= assign the code points. Cheers, Adrian From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: 19 January 2016 10:47 To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3-02 and call for sheperd Working group, Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we're ready to start the WG las= t for this document. This starts a two weeks working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additio= nal-signal-type-g709v3-02. The last call ends on Tuesday February 2nd. Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list. All the IPR declarations from authors and contributors have been collected = and can be found in the history of the document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3/history/ Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this draft. If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the document, please volunteer. Thanks Daniele & Fatai _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4816189771ESESSMB301erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dieter,<= /span>

 

I don’t think he= re the point is whether g.sup43 is normative or informative. We’re de= fining an extension to a protocol, and:

-&n= bsp;         If an implemen= tation wants to claim compatibility to the RFCtobe, the extension MUST be s= upported by the implementation

-&n= bsp;         If we want the= IANA to assign a code, the document needs to be standard track.

 

BR
Daniele

 

From: Dieter Beller [mailto:Dieter.Beller@nokia.com]
Sent: gioved=EC 21 gennaio 2016 09:29
To: Fatai Zhang; adrian@olddog.co.uk; Daniele Ceccarelli; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-sig= nal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Hi Adrian, all,

I concur with Fatai.

The rules concerning supplements are provided in ITU-T recommendation A.13,= see:

ht= tp://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D5280

 
There you find:

2.4          Supplements ar= e only informative and are therefore not considered to be an integral p= art of any Recommendation(s).


Thanks,
Dieter

On 20.01.2016 07:18, Fatai Zhang wrote:

Hi Ad= rian,

 = ;

Thank= s for your review.

 = ;

I jus= t have one question to confirm my understanding.

 = ;

We kn= ow that G.sup43 is a non-normative recommendation defined by ITU-T SG15, is= it valid to define a “Standards Track” RFC for G.sup43?=

 = ;

 

 

 

 

Best Regards

 

Fatai

 = ;

From: CCAMP [<= a href=3D"mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:46 AM
To: 'Daniele Ceccarelli'; 'CCAMP'
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-sig= nal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Thanks = Daniele.

 <= /span>

It woul= d be nice as a general principle to have the document nit-free before last = call, but anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last call comm= ents and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe the same applies to the formatting, page break= s and so on?

 <= /span>

I revie= wed and commented on this document some time back and it appears to be much= better now. Thanks to the authors.

 <= /span>

Here ar= e some nits...

 <= /span>

The Abs= tract is full of abbreviations that will need to be expanded.

 <= /span>

The tex= t uses the term "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to= be "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an = RFC.

 <= /span>

It woul= d be nice if the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more help. = Specifically...

IANA ma= intains a registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching = (GMPLS) Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Sign= al Type". IANA is requested to make three further allocations from that registry as follows.

You mig= ht also give IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they will wan= t to know whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or values= in the 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5.

 <= /span>

I don't= see how G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks to me fr= om h= ttp://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D11321 that the r= evision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for agreement&q= uot;).

 <= /span>

And las= tly (I'm sure we've had this discussion before) the registry is marked with= the Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document = is marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will (should) refuse to assign the code points.

 <= /span>

Cheers,=

Adrian<= /span>

 <= /span>

 <= /span>

 <= /span>

From: CCAMP [<= a href=3D"mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: 19 January 2016 10:47
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)
Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-= type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Working group,

 

Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we’= ;re ready to start the WG last for this document.

 

This starts a two weeks working group last call on d= raft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02.

The last call ends on Tuesday  February 2nd.

Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list.=

 

All the IPR declarations from authors and contributo= rs have been collected and can be found in the history of the document:

https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3/history/

Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this d= raft.

 

If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the docum= ent, please volunteer.

 

Thanks

Daniele & Fatai

 




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--_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4816189771ESESSMB301erics_-- From nobody Thu Jan 21 03:57:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663061A7014 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 03:57:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t1OZPhzgPx7d for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 03:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from sessmg22.ericsson.net (sessmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF7CA1A700F for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 03:57:46 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3a-f79df6d0000013b1-0d-56a0c7b867b9 Received: from ESESSHC021.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.81]) by sessmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 21.E5.05041.8B7C0A65; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:57:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB301.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.140]) by ESESSHC021.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:57:44 +0100 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: Dieter Beller , Fatai Zhang , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , 'CCAMP' Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thread-Index: AdFSppQiEnkellx9R4+Kcp/CADqbcQAMlSAAABpGiYAANtXwAAAEomeg///y4AD//+61QA== Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:57:43 +0000 Message-ID: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE48161898B1@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> References: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4D05C@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> <01bf01d152e1$4bb9ebd0$e32dc370$@olddog.co.uk> <56A096BA.3070905@nokia.com> <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4816189771@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> <56A0AAD2.5000006@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <56A0AAD2.5000006@nokia.com> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.17] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE48161898B1ESESSMB301erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrNIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2J7oO6O4wvCDB7t0bH40XOD2eLJnBss FuuW3GGx6Gs+z+rA4tFy5C2rx5IlP5k87t66xOSxYvNKxgCWKC6blNSczLLUIn27BK6M9okn 2QuWNzJVTPk1n6WB8ftDxi5GTg4JAROJre/usUPYYhIX7q1n62Lk4hASOMwo8X1zFyOEs4RR 4vHvA0AZDg42ASuJJ4d8QOIiArMZJQ4dfccK0i0skCtxYsNnFhBbRCBP4uqhfawQdpjE92vf wDawCKhKnLy7EizOK+ArsePKH6htZ5gkLt6/zAyS4BTQlLiyZhkTiM0oICsxYfcisFOZBcQl bj2ZzwRxqoDEkj3nmSFsUYmXj/+xghwnIaAosbxfDqI8X2LGwotQuwQlTs58wjKBUWQWkkmz kJTNQlIGEdeTuDF1ChuErS2xbOFrZghbV2LGv0MsyOILGNlXMYoWpxYX56YbGemlFmUmFxfn 5+nlpZZsYgRG4cEtv612MB587niIUYCDUYmH1+Dm/DAh1sSy4srcQ4wSHMxKIryHdy0IE+JN SaysSi3Kjy8qzUktPsQozcGiJM6bJNMYJiSQnliSmp2aWpBaBJNl4uCUamCUqmeJ36eR+Ubq qMJhMdsGO5WnWSdcWpQX3zJ7+GKjtcNsyXvse7IcLKsna729wra0/IJD+I7/ey+bX/yVcurK zm0d69vlrk3+kuS89ci5ea9+qHN6H/Wz3PhC5c3edZuCz3/9Fqk4t0W1X27S6e/3LYRWW6l1 PVGZ0a851fktn1lQ/uHIqgBZJZbijERDLeai4kQASBUOOr4CAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:57:52 -0000 --_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE48161898B1ESESSMB301erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dieter, Sorry for misunderstanding your point. Regarding the informative vs normative reference we have some guidelines (s= ometimes to be interpreted): https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/normative-= informative.html Where: - Normative references specify documents that must be read to understa= nd or implement the technology in the new RFC, or whose technology must be = present for the technology in the new RFC to work. - An informative reference is not normative; rather, it only provides = additional information. For example, an informative reference might provide= background or historical information. Informative references are not requi= red to implement the technology in the RFC. What is clear is that Normative or Informative does not refer to the refere= nced document per se (a normative document can be informative with respect = to a draft and viceversa). The question is: does an implemented need to know all the g.sup43 details t= o implement this draft? Or simply get the codes and put them into RSVP-TE? = For sure G.709 and G.sup43 fall under the same category. BR Daniele From: Dieter Beller [mailto:Dieter.Beller@nokia.com] Sent: gioved=EC 21 gennaio 2016 10:54 To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-typ= e-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Hi Daniele, all, On 21.01.2016 10:44, EXT Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: Hi Dieter, I don't think here the point is whether g.sup43 is normative or informative= . We're defining an extension to a protocol, and: - If an implementation wants to claim compatibility to the RFCtobe= , the extension MUST be supported by the implementation - If we want the IANA to assign a code, the document needs to be s= tandard track. I was not questioning the IETF status of this draft that is in WG LC. The point I was trying to make is that ITU-T Recommendation G.Sup43 is info= rmative only. Therefore it looks a bit strange to me that G.Sup43 shall be listed as normative reference in the draft/RFC. But, other= s may know better how to handle this properly from an IETF rules perspective. Thanks, Dieter BR Daniele From: Dieter Beller [mailto:Dieter.Beller@nokia.com] Sent: gioved=EC 21 gennaio 2016 09:29 To: Fatai Zhang; adrian@olddog.co.uk; Daniele C= eccarelli; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-typ= e-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Hi Adrian, all, I concur with Fatai. The rules concerning supplements are provided in ITU-T recommendation A.13,= see: http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D5280 There you find: 2.4 Supplements are only informative and are therefore not conside= red to be an integral part of any Recommendation(s). Thanks, Dieter On 20.01.2016 07:18, Fatai Zhang wrote: Hi Adrian, Thanks for your review. I just have one question to confirm my understanding. We know that G.sup43 is a non-normative recommendation defined by ITU-T SG1= 5, is it valid to define a "Standards Track" RFC for G.sup43? Best Regards Fatai From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:46 AM To: 'Daniele Ceccarelli'; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-typ= e-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd Thanks Daniele. It would be nice as a general principle to have the document nit-free befor= e last call, but anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last ca= ll comments and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe= the same applies to the formatting, page breaks and so on? I reviewed and commented on this document some time back and it appears to = be much better now. Thanks to the authors. Here are some nits... The Abstract is full of abbreviations that will need to be expanded. The text uses the term "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to be= "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an RFC. It would be nice if the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more= help. Specifically... IANA maintains a registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switchin= g (GMPLS) Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Signal Type"= . IANA is requested to make three further allocations from that registry as= follows. You might also give IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they w= ill want to know whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or= values in the 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5. I don't see how G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks t= o me from http://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D11321 tha= t the revision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for agreement= "). And lastly (I'm sure we've had this discussion before) the registry is mark= ed with the Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document is = marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will (should) refuse to= assign the code points. Cheers, Adrian From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli Sent: 19 January 2016 10:47 To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3-02 and call for sheperd Working group, Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we're ready to start the WG las= t for this document. This starts a two weeks working group last call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additio= nal-signal-type-g709v3-02. The last call ends on Tuesday February 2nd. Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list. All the IPR declarations from authors and contributors have been collected = and can be found in the history of the document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g7= 09v3/history/ Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this draft. If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the document, please volunteer. Thanks Daniele & Fatai _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE48161898B1ESESSMB301erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dieter,<= /span>

 

Sorry for misunderstan= ding your point.

Regarding the informat= ive vs normative reference we have some guidelines (sometimes to be interpr= eted): = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/normative-informative.html

 

Where:

-=    &n= bsp;  Normative refer= ences specify documents that must be read to understand or implement the te= chnology in the new RFC, or whose technology must be present for the technology in the new RFC to work.

 

-=    &n= bsp;  An informative = reference is not normative; rather, it only provides additional information= . For example, an informative reference might provide background or historical information. Informative references are not requi= red to implement the technology in the RFC.

 

What is clear is that = Normative or Informative does not refer to the referenced document per se (= a normative document can be informative with respect to a draft and vicever= sa).

 

The question is: does = an implemented need to know all the g.sup43 details to implement this draft= ? Or simply get the codes and put them into RSVP-TE? For sure G.709 and G.s= up43 fall under the same category.

 

BR

Daniele

 

From: Dieter Beller [mailto:Dieter.Beller@nokia.com]
Sent: gioved=EC 21 gennaio 2016 10:54
To: Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang; adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'CCAMP' Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-sig= nal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Hi Daniele, all,=

On 21.01.2016 10:44, EXT Daniele Ceccarelli wrote:

Hi Dieter,=

 

I don’t think he= re the point is whether g.sup43 is normative or informative. We’re de= fining an extension to a protocol, and:

-     &= nbsp;    If an implementation = wants to claim compatibility to the RFCtobe, the extension MUST be supporte= d by the implementation

-     &= nbsp;    If we want the IANA t= o assign a code, the document needs to be standard track.

I was not questioning the IETF statu= s of this draft that is in WG LC.

The point I was trying to make is that ITU-T Recommendation G.Sup43 is info= rmative only. Therefore it looks a bit strange to me that
G.Sup43 shall be listed as normative reference in the draft/RFC. But, other= s may know better how to handle this properly from an IETF
rules perspective.


Thanks,
Dieter


 

BR
Daniele

 

From: Dieter Beller [mailto:Dieter.Beller@nokia.com]
Sent: gioved=EC 21 gennaio 2016 09:29
To: Fatai Zhang; adrian@olddo= g.co.uk; Daniele Ceccarelli; 'CCAMP'
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-sig= nal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Hi Adrian, all,

I concur with Fatai.

The rules concerning supplements are provided in ITU-T recommendation A.13,= see:

ht= tp://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D5280

 
There you find:

2.4          Supplements ar= e only informative and are therefore not considered to be an integral p= art of any Recommendation(s).


Thanks,
Dieter


On 20.01.2016 07:18, Fatai Zhang wrote:

Hi Ad= rian,

 = ;

Thank= s for your review.

 = ;

I jus= t have one question to confirm my understanding.

 = ;

We kn= ow that G.sup43 is a non-normative recommendation defined by ITU-T SG15, is= it valid to define a “Standards Track” RFC for G.sup43?=

 = ;

 

 

 

 

Best Regards

 

Fatai

 = ;

From: CCAMP [<= a href=3D"mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:46 AM
To: 'Daniele Ceccarelli'; 'CCAMP'
Subject: Re: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-sig= nal-type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Thanks = Daniele.

 <= /span>

It woul= d be nice as a general principle to have the document nit-free before last = call, but anyway, the authors can handle that as part of the last call comm= ents and make the necessary fixes before the I-D goes forward. Maybe the same applies to the formatting, page break= s and so on?

 <= /span>

I revie= wed and commented on this document some time back and it appears to be much= better now. Thanks to the authors.

 <= /span>

Here ar= e some nits...

 <= /span>

The Abs= tract is full of abbreviations that will need to be expanded.

 <= /span>

The tex= t uses the term "draft" to describe itself. If you change this to= be "document" it will remain consistent when the I-D becomes an = RFC.

 <= /span>

It woul= d be nice if the IANA considerations section gave IANA a little more help. = Specifically...

IANA ma= intains a registry called "Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching = (GMPLS) Signaling Parameters" with a subregistry called "OTN Sign= al Type". IANA is requested to make three further allocations from that registry as follows.

You mig= ht also give IANA guidance about which numbers to allocate as they will wan= t to know whether to use the unassigned values in the 12-19 range or values= in the 23-255 range. They will also wonder about 5.

 <= /span>

I don't= see how G.sup43 can be other than a normative reference. It looks to me fr= om h= ttp://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D11321 that the r= evision you reference is actually in force (i.e., not "for agreement&q= uot;).

 <= /span>

And las= tly (I'm sure we've had this discussion before) the registry is marked with= the Registration Procedure "Standards Action" yet this document = is marked as "Informational". That will mean that IANA will (should) refuse to assign the code points.

 <= /span>

Cheers,=

Adrian<= /span>

 <= /span>

 <= /span>

 <= /span>

From: CCAMP [<= a href=3D"mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: 19 January 2016 10:47
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)
Subject: [CCAMP] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-= type-g709v3-02 and call for sheperd

 

Working group,

 

Thanks to the prompt reply from the authors we’= ;re ready to start the WG last for this document.

 

This starts a two weeks working group last call on d= raft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3-02.

The last call ends on Tuesday  February 2nd.

Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list.=

 

All the IPR declarations from authors and contributo= rs have been collected and can be found in the history of the document:

https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type-g709v3/history/

Please note that no IPR was disclosed against this d= raft.

 

If anyone is willing to be the shepherd of the docum= ent, please volunteer.

 

Thanks

Daniele & Fatai

 





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--_000_D2CBBD391B7CC4davidsinicropeericssoncom_-- From nobody Mon Jan 25 10:39:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AD31B38D4; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:38:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cu4gfOFgVytj; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 300301B38D3; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:38:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=17145; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1453747132; x=1454956732; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=g4mULwIPSTdLqbM0qHzBg9kfQ0KQw14RyCMTE4p7lYA=; b=JSyK3a2BJhdHSJlbVKcVQpqrjd38OWDk1J26QAgOa3hXx4mMLEkCYNTC H0zcC4zc/U9KVPzku82amY4eRCHvfcAK66KkGnzbiJ5T74iw9+4IchUhu q6iJdI6PahxuwPmH29Az6tLSoSIIQi6BJoJIdfQZvh0mEjlC7lPBk97BI g=; X-Files: 273031C1-0F11-4D42-9226-D16B7CB14162[8].png : 1632 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AFAgBWa6ZW/4UNJK1egm5MUm0GiFGvf?= =?us-ascii?q?oITAQ2BYyKFbQKBQjgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhEEBAgQFRDAOBAEIEQMBAgYBAQEbBAk?= =?us-ascii?q?FEAEDBgUMFAkKBAENBAEGCA2HawMSDrpHDYQCAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBDQgEhi6EbYE5gRCBXTsKDQmEBQWNYoUQhAQBhFxphhiBeIFehESIV1yGIYN?= =?us-ascii?q?vg1IBHgEBQoIOJoE1agGGAzx8AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.22,345,1449532800"; d="png'150?scan'150,208,217,150";a="65004484" Received: from alln-core-11.cisco.com ([173.36.13.133]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 25 Jan 2016 18:38:50 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-010.cisco.com (xch-rtp-010.cisco.com [64.101.220.150]) by alln-core-11.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u0PIcntE007370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:38:50 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-010.cisco.com (64.101.220.150) by XCH-RTP-010.cisco.com (64.101.220.150) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:38:49 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-010.cisco.com ([64.101.220.150]) by XCH-RTP-010.cisco.com ([64.101.220.150]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:38:49 -0500 From: "Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe)" To: David Sinicrope , "ccamp@ietf.org" , "pce@ietf.org" , "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Response to Broadband Forum Liaison - Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces 18-Dec-2016 Thread-Index: AQHRV5+h86idbV8GX0GOyTt5wCjpXQ== Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:38:49 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.0.151221 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.61.102.212] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_D2CC21E38FE49ggalimbeciscocom_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "akatlas@gmail.com" , "jpv@cisco.com" , "vbeeram@juniper.net" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Response to Broadband Forum Liaison - Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces 18-Dec-2016 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:39:00 -0000 --_004_D2CC21E38FE49ggalimbeciscocom_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D2CC21E38FE49ggalimbeciscocom_" --_000_D2CC21E38FE49ggalimbeciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi David, Thanks for the reminder. I have few general notes on the document. * I would NOT limit the Client interface (Dd) to Ethernet or OTN. Also= Data center interfaces should be supported (like Fiber Channel). * In WT-319 Part-B is mentioned the fully separated solution while in T= R-319 the fully integrated DWDM interface in the client equipment. * The two solutions can signal on the UNI interface different servic= e request (Ethernet or OTN in the former, optical channel in the latter) * I'd like to see also the Hybrid solution to be supported (i.e. Ful= ly integrated on one side of the circuit and fully separated on the other s= ide). * Although are not yet RFC there are some draft proposal to manage the = Protection and the diverse path. * Support of LSP SRLG collection in the core and sharing the list to= the Edge (SRLG RRO) * XRO to exclude critical elements on the network when signalling LS= P (at node link and SRLG level) carrying protecting traffic. * Diverse path signalling based on LSP-id * I'd discourage the use of SNMP for the network provisioning and deplo= yment. Best Regards, Gabriele [http://www.cisco.com/swa/i/logo.gif] Gabriele Galimberti Principal Engineer Cisco Photonics Srl via S.Maria Molgora, 48 C 20871 - Vimercate (MB) Italy www.cisco.com/global/IT/ ggalimbe@cisco.com Phone :+39 039 2091462 Mobile :+39 335 7481947 Fax :+39 039 2092049 From: CCAMP > on beha= lf of David Sinicrope > Date: Monday, January 25, 2016 5:53 PM To: "ccamp@ietf.org" >, "pce@ietf.org" >, "teas@ietf.org" > Cc: "jpv@cisco.com" >, "vbeeram@juniper.net" >, "akatlas@gmail.com" > Subject: [CCAMP] Response to Broadband Forum Liaison - Achieving Packet Net= work Optimization using DWDM Interfaces 18-Dec-2016 Hi All, Just a reminder to the CCAMP, PCE and TEAS WGs that we still have https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1449/ requesting a response. Please finalize and send your comments to the respective WG Chairs if you h= aven't already. We will coordinate a joint WG response. 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Hi David, 
Thanks for the reminder.

I have few general notes on the document.
  • I would NOT limit the Client interface (Dd) to Ethernet or OTN.  A= lso Data center interfaces should be supported (like Fiber Channel).
    • In WT-319 Part-B is mentioned the fully separated solution while in TR-31= 9 the fully integrated DWDM interface in the client equipment.
    • The two solutions can signal on the UNI interface different service req= uest (Ethernet or OTN in the former, optical channel in the latter)
      • I'd like to see also the Hybrid solution to be supported (i.e. Fully integ= rated on one side of the circuit and fully separated on the other side).
  • Although are not yet RFC there are some draft proposal to manage t= he Protection and the diverse path.
    • Support of LSP SRLG collection in the core and sharing the list to the = Edge  (SRLG RRO)
    • XRO to exclude critical elements on the netwo= rk when signalling LSP (at node link and SRLG level) carrying protecting tr= affic.
    • Diverse path signalling based on LSP-id
  • I'd discourage the use of SNMP for the network provisioning and de= ployment.

Best Regards, 

Gabriele


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From: CCAMP <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of David Si= nicrope <david.sinicrope= @ericsson.com>
Date: Monday, January 25, 2016 5:53= PM
To: "ccamp@ietf.org" <cca= mp@ietf.org>, "pce@ietf.org= " <pce@ietf.org>, "teas@ietf.org" <teas@ietf.org>
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Subject: [CCAMP] Response to Broadb= and Forum Liaison - Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interf= aces 18-Dec-2016

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<7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1122199484F@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Longhao , TEAS WG Subject: Re: [CCAMP] [Teas] Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for availability address your comments? X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:36:24 -0000 Seems reasonable and probably better than an ordering based solution... Lou On 1/26/2016 3:22 PM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: > Dear Daniele, Lou, et. al, > apologies for prolonged silence in the discussion. > I agree that Option 2 offers more elegant solution but it would require change to Availability TLV for the case when Ethernet_TSPEC includes multiple Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLVs. In such scenario, as I understand Section 4.1 of RFC 6003, each of the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLVs within the same Ethernet_TSPEC will have unique value in the Index field. If we add Index field to the Availability TLV, reference it to the Index field as described in the Section 4.1 and note that mapping between two types of TLVs established via the Index would that acceptable solution? > > Regards, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniele Ceccarelli > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:47 AM > To: Lou Berger; Yemin (Amy); CCAMP > Cc: Gregory Mirsky; Longhao; D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo; TEAS WG; Shah, Himanshu > Subject: RE: [Teas] Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for availability address your comments? > > Lou, Amy, > > Let me try to rephrase the 2 options: > > Option 1) As actually proposed by the draft. > > + Ethernet Sender T-spec Object > ++ EXISTING Ethernet bandwidth profile TLV (type 2) > ++ NEW Extended Ethernet bandwidth profile TLV (e.g. type 4 - used instead of type 2 when availability is needed) > +++ NEW availability sub-TLV of the NEW Extended Ethernet bandwidth profile TLV > > Option 2) > > + Ethernet Sender T-spec Object > ++ EXISTING Ethernet bandwidth profile TLV (type 2) > ++ NEW availability TLV to be used in conjunction with the type2 TLV when needed. > > > Since the Ethernet Sender T-SPEC object allows for carrying multiple TLVs I tend to agree with Lou. When no availability is requested only the Ethernet BW profile TLV will be included, otherwise both it and the new availability one. > > BR > Daniele > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger >> Sent: venerdì 15 gennaio 2016 22:17 >> To: Yemin (Amy); CCAMP >> Cc: Gregory Mirsky; Longhao; D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo; TEAS WG; >> Shah, Himanshu >> Subject: Re: [Teas] Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft >> for availability address your comments? >> >> Amy, >> I think we're left with one substantive discussion topic: >> >>>> 3) Approach >>>> >>>> Given that there is really no difference between 3.1.1. and >>>> RFC6003 Section 4.1, I suggest dropping the Extended Ethernet >>>> Bandwidth Profile TLV (section 3.1.1) and just adding the >>>> Availability sub-tlv as a a new Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object TLV >>>> type. This also helps backwards compatibility. >>> [Amy] I will reply 2) and 3) together. The availability comes with >>> bandwidth together, for example, the request is (bandwidth = >>> 200Mbps, availability = 99.99%). >>> >>> That’s why the Availability sub-tlv is defined as a sub-tlv under >>> Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV. >>> >>> As the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV defined in RFC6003 is not >>> capable to carry sub-tlv, a new Extended Ethernet Bandwidth Profile >>> TLV is defined. This was presented and discussed in IETF90. >> So we're discussing two options: >> >> Option 1) new TLV with new optional sub-TLV(s) + Availability sub-TLV >> - New TLV : Extended Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availab >> ility- >> 03#section-3.1.1 >> >> - NEW TLV = RFC6003 Section 4.1 + option sub-TLV(s) and Availability >> sub-TLV carried in new TLV, carried when using availability, >> >> Option 2) Availability TLV >> -No change to RFC 6003 or Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV >> - Optional new Availability TLV carried when using availability >> >> >> It seems to me that the carried information and the semantics are >> equivalent. But option 1 defines a strictly redundant information >> format, with both added implementation and interoperability overhead. >> So why not just go with option 2, i.e., drop section 3.1.1. and define >> 3.1.2 as a tlv of the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object? >> >> Lou >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/13/2016 9:05 PM, Yemin (Amy) wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> >>> >>> Below is the offline discussion on >>> “draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-03” and >>> “draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-03”. >>> >>> You are welcome to give comments. >>> >>> >>> >>> BR, >>> >>> Amy >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*Yemin (Amy) >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:35 PM >>> *To:* 'Lou Berger' >>> *Cc:* D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo; Shah, Himanshu; Gregory >>> Mirsky; Longhao >>> *Subject:* RE: Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft >>> for availability address your comments? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Lou, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for reply. Please see my reply starting with [Amy]. >>> >>> >>> >>> BR, >>> >>> Amy >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:12 AM >>> To: Yemin (Amy) >>> Cc: D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo; Shah, Himanshu; Gregory Mirsky; >>> Longhao >>> Subject: Re: Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for >>> availability address your comments? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Amy, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/29/2015 1:47 AM, Yemin (Amy) wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lou, >>>> Could you kindly check if the latest OSPF extension draft for >>>> availability address your comments? >>> >>> >>> Here are my original comments and their resolution: >>> >>>> On 7/25/2015 12:20 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >>>>> Abstract: > - States applies to PSC > >>> fixed . >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Sections 1 > - (general comment) informative sections such as >>>>> Intro and Overview >>>>> shouldn't contain normative (RFC2119) language. See > >>>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/teas/trac/wiki/PSGuidelines for some >>>> suggested guidelines. > >>> you still have a conformance statement in the abstract. This is a >>> nit >>> >>> and can be fixed whenever you do the next rev. >>> >>> [Amy] Thanks for pointing it out. Will fix it. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Section 2 > - You mention "by the PE node" (and in two other >>>>> places in the > >>>> document). I have don't understand why "PE" is being introduced. > >>>> Perhaps you mean simply "a node"? > >>> >>> >>> done. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Section 3.1 > - You duplicate a format definition from RFC4203. >>>>> I think this >>>> should > be replaced with a simple sentence stating that "The >>>> Interface Switching > Capacity Descriptor (ISCD) sub-TLV is >>>> defined in >>>> Section 1.4 of [RFC 4203]". > >>> done. as a nit comment you can get rid of section 3.1 and just move >>> the >>> >>> reference to the first time you refer to ISCD >>> >>> >>> >>>>> - More significantly you are actually changing its format, and >>>>> in >>> particular taking 8 bits from the existing reserved field: > > A >>> >>>> new AI field is defined in this document. > >>> AI is gone, right? >>> >>> [Amy] Yes, AI is removed. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> - Taking bits from the reserved field is a major change and >>>>> needs to be > >>> justified. The purpose *and the use* of this new field, >>> >>>> Availability > Index, is unclear in the document. It needs to be, >>>> or >>>> better yet, drop it. > > Section 3.2: > - Why limit Availability >>>> information to PSC and LSC? > >>> >>> >>> This limitation remains. I thought you agreed to dropping this in your >>> >>> mail back in August. >>> >>> [Amy] Sorry, I missed this point. Will fix it. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Section 6.1 > - A number of references listed as Normative are >>>>> not required to > >>>> implement the mechanisms in the document and therefore should be > >>>> identified as Informative. >>> >>> >>> I think this needs some change, but this can be resolved >>> independently >>> >>> of LC. >>> >>> [Amy] OK. >>> >>> >>> >>>> The attached is the mail discussion in July and Aug.We believe >>>> that >>>> the latest drafts addressed the comments in these mails, please check. >>>> The latest drafts links >>>> arehttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availabi >>>> li >>>> ty-extension/, >>>> and >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidt >>>> h- >> availability/. >>> >>> >>> My original comments were: >>> >>>> On 7/25/2015 12:20 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >>>>> Hi, > I reviewed this document from the perspective of how >>>>> generalized it >>>>> is in its current form. > > I think this document's scope in >>>>> it's >>>> current form is limited to > RFC6003. I think it sould retitle the >>>> draft to something like "Ethernet > Traffic Parameters With >>>> Availability Information" to align with RFC6003. >>> Done. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> The document could also use RFC6003 as a 'design pattern' for >>>>> some > >>> reediting of its sections/text. >>> >>> >>> >>> So I guess this wasn't a sufficiently detailed comment. I see >>> several >>> >>> issues with section 3. In order of least to most significant: >>> >>> 1) Editorial nits: >>> >>> There is no section 3.1 >>> >>> There are grammar and spelling errors in the section >>> >>> [Amy] Will fix it. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2) Formatting problems in sections 3.1.x >>> >>> Type and length are included, when they aren't in RFC6003 >>> Section >>> 4.1 >>> >>> Type isn't identified as needing to be assigned >>> >>> Most fields lack definition >>> >>> AF is defined as a redefinition of the Profile field rather than >>> >>> simply a definition >>> >>> of a new bit in the field. It should simply be an >>> assignment of >>> >>> a new flag, i.e.: >>> >>> Flag 3 (bit 1): Availability Flag (AF) >>> >>> I also don't see the value of the flag as the rfc6003 already >>> >>> accommodates optional tlv inclusion and no explicit indication of >>> >>> subsequent TLVs is required. >>> >>> >>> >>> 3) Approach >>> >>> Given that there is really no difference between 3.1.1. and >>> RFC6003 >>> >>> Section 4.1, I suggest dropping the Extended Ethernet Bandwidth >>> Profile >>> >>> TLV (section 3.1.1) and just adding the Availability sub-tlv as a a >>> new >>> >>> Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object TLV type. This also helps backwards >>> >>> compatibility. >>> >>> [Amy] I will reply 2) and 3) together. The availability comes with >>> bandwidth together, for example, the request is (bandwidth = >>> 200Mbps, availability = 99.99%). >>> >>> That’s why the Availability sub-tlv is defined as a sub-tlv under >>> Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV. >>> >>> As the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV defined in RFC6003 is not >>> capable to carry sub-tlv, a new Extended Ethernet Bandwidth Profile >>> TLV is defined. This was presented and discussed in IETF90. >>> >>> >>> >>> 4) Section 3.2 >>> >>> This isn't needed, i.e., the section should be dropped, as this is >>> >>> already provided for in RF6003 Section 5. >>> >>> [Amy] Ok. >>> >>> >>> >>> 5) Section 3.3 >>> >>> >>> >>> This section should refer back to RFC6003 section 7 and be modified >>> to >>> >>> talk about the additional processing related to the Availability TLV >>> >>> (which shouldn't be a big change). >>> >>> >>> >>> You can drop the last paragraph as it is sufficiently covered in >>> 6003, >>> >>> but you do need to mention what is expected to happen, as >>> informative >>> >>> text, on a node that doesn't support the new tlv. >>> >>> [Amy] Will update it. >>> >>> >>> >>> 6) The IANA section will need to be updated accordingly >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> I also suggest reviewing > >>>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/teas/trac/wiki/PSGuidelines for some >>>> suggested guidelines. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> If the drafts addressed all the comments, could it be moved forward? >>>> Or if you have any other comments, just let us know. >>> >>> >>> So I think we're left with a minor comment + nits on the OSPF >>> document >>> >>> and some more substantive work on the RSVP draft. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> BTW, take this chance to wish a happy new year! >>> >>> >>> To you as well! >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Lou >>> >>>> BR, >>>> Amy(on behalf of the co-authors) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Teas mailing list >> Teas@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Wed Jan 27 05:02:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB25C1A89E1; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 05:02:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cRnIZ_w74qaT; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 05:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from sesbmg23.ericsson.net (sesbmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.37]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 621541A8998; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 05:02:15 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-f797e6d000007600-d7-56a8bfd50849 Received: from ESESSHC005.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.33]) by sesbmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 00.7B.30208.5DFB8A65; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:02:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB301.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.140]) by ESESSHC005.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.33]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:02:01 +0100 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: Gregory Mirsky , Lou Berger , "Yemin (Amy)" , CCAMP Thread-Topic: [Teas] Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for availability address your comments? 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not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_D074283377444628AB253878CBB69481junipernet_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 27 Jan 2016 14:22:29.3554 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR05MB706 Archived-At: Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "jpv@cisco.com" , "teas@ietf.org" , "akatlas@gmail.com" , "pce@ietf.org" , Vishnu Pavan Beeram Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Response to Broadband Forum Liaison - Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces 18-Dec-2016 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:22:58 -0000 --_004_D074283377444628AB253878CBB69481junipernet_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D074283377444628AB253878CBB69481junipernet_" --_000_D074283377444628AB253878CBB69481junipernet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gabriele, David, My preference would be to let BBF decide upon the scope of their work. So w= hether BBF wants to deal with Fiber Channel should be their choice. In line= with that thought, the physical composition of the architecture BBF wants = to look at shouldn't concern ccamp a whole lot. In my view we should try to provide some guidance on how to deal with the t= ransition from SNMP to yang in general and the control of optical interface= s in particular. External bodies like to reference RFCs, but on the ccamp end there are stil= l gaps: 1) existing SNMP RFCs do not cover the provisioning of the colored side of = an optical interface 2) SNMP as means of provisioning is discouraged 3) yang models to provision interfaces are lingering in individual draft st= atus since a while 4) other yang models that may be of interest to BBF are not in RFC status y= et So perhaps we should respond with a framework draft as discussed last IETF = to outline what we are committed to work on so that BBF can built upon it. Gert Sent from my Apple ][ On 25 Jan 2016, at 19:39, Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) > wrote: Hi David, Thanks for the reminder. I have few general notes on the document. * I would NOT limit the Client interface (Dd) to Ethernet or OTN. Also= Data center interfaces should be supported (like Fiber Channel). * In WT-319 Part-B is mentioned the fully separated solution while in T= R-319 the fully integrated DWDM interface in the client equipment. * The two solutions can signal on the UNI interface different servic= e request (Ethernet or OTN in the former, optical channel in the latter) * I'd like to see also the Hybrid solution to be supported (i.e. Ful= ly integrated on one side of the circuit and fully separated on the other s= ide). * Although are not yet RFC there are some draft proposal to manage the = Protection and the diverse path. * Support of LSP SRLG collection in the core and sharing the list to= the Edge (SRLG RRO) * XRO to exclude critical elements on the network when signalling LS= P (at node link and SRLG level) carrying protecting traffic. * Diverse path signalling based on LSP-id * I'd discourage the use of SNMP for the network provisioning and deplo= yment. Best Regards, Gabriele <273031C1-0F11-4D42-9226-D16B7CB14162[8].png> Gabriele Galimberti Principal Engineer Cisco Photonics Srl via S.Maria Molgora, 48 C 20871 - Vimercate (MB) Italy www.cisco.com/global/IT/ ggalimbe@cisco.com Phone :+39 039 2091462 Mobile :+39 335 7481947 Fax :+39 039 2092049 From: CCAMP > on beha= lf of David Sinicrope > Date: Monday, January 25, 2016 5:53 PM To: "ccamp@ietf.org" >, "pce@ietf.org" >, "teas@ietf.org" > Cc: "jpv@cisco.com" >, "vbeeram@juniper.net" >, "akatlas@gmail.com" > Subject: [CCAMP] Response to Broadband Forum Liaison - Achieving Packet Net= work Optimization using DWDM Interfaces 18-Dec-2016 Hi All, Just a reminder to the CCAMP, PCE and TEAS WGs that we still have https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1449/ requesting a response. Please finalize and send your comments to the respective WG Chairs if you h= aven't already. We will coordinate a joint WG response. 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Gabriele, David,

My preference would be to let BBF decide upo= n the scope of their work. So whether BBF wants to deal with Fiber Channel = should be their choice. In line with that thought, the physical composition= of the architecture BBF wants to look at shouldn't  concern ccamp a whole lot.

In my view we should try to provide some gui= dance on how to deal with the transition from SNMP to yang in general and t= he control of optical interfaces in particular.

External bodies like to reference RFCs, but = on the ccamp end there are still gaps: 
1) existing SNMP RFCs do not cover the provi= sioning of the colored side of an optical interface
2) SNMP as means of provisioning is discoura= ged
3) yang models to provision interfaces are l= ingering in individual draft status since a while
4) other yang models that may be of interest= to BBF are not in RFC status yet

So perhaps we should respond with a framewor= k draft as discussed last IETF to outline what we are committed to work on = so that BBF can built upon it.

Gert 



Sent from my Apple ][
Hi David, 
Thanks for the reminder.

I have few general notes on the document.
  • I would NOT limit the Client interface (Dd) to Ethernet or OTN.  A= lso Data center interfaces should be supported (like Fiber Channel).
    • In WT-319 Part-B is mentioned the fully separated solution while in TR-31= 9 the fully integrated DWDM interface in the client equipment.
    • The two solutions can signal on the UNI interface different service req= uest (Ethernet or OTN in the former, optical channel in the latter)
      • I'd like to see also the Hybrid solution to be supported (i.e. Fully integ= rated on one side of the circuit and fully separated on the other side).
  • Although are not yet RFC there are some draft proposal to manage t= he Protection and the diverse path.
    • Support of LSP SRLG collection in the core and sharing the list to the = Edge  (SRLG RRO)
    • XRO to exclude critical elements on the netwo= rk when signalling LSP (at node link and SRLG level) carrying protecting tr= affic.
    • Diverse path signalling based on LSP-id
  • I'd discourage the use of SNMP for the network provisioning and de= ployment.

Best Regards, 

Gabriele




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From: CCAMP <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of David Si= nicrope <david.sinicrope= @ericsson.com>
Date: Monday, January 25, 2016 5:53= PM
To: "ccamp@ietf.org" <cca= mp@ietf.org>, "pce@ietf.org= " <pce@ietf.org>, "teas@ietf.org" <teas@ietf.org>
Cc: "jpv@cisco.com" <jpv@ci= sco.com>, "vbeeram@junip= er.net" <vbeeram@juniper= .net>, "akatlas@gmail.com" <= ;akatlas@gmail.com>
Subject: [CCAMP] Response to Broadb= and Forum Liaison - Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interf= aces 18-Dec-2016

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To have both Standards A= ction and IETF Review specified is an overlap. I've discussed with your Cha= irs and they have a proposal to discuss with you. I would hope this is non-= controversial and can be done quickly (can be a shortened WG Last Call) and= we can get on with publishing the document. When fixing, I recommend removing one of the two paragraphs from the Introd= uction as they are duplicates. It's ok the draft is short and to the point.= As this draft is forward looking for the registry, it would be best to gen= eralize vs. repeating text from the other draft on Sup43, so I recommend re= moving the 1st paragraph and keeping the second paragraph (with some tweaks= ). Thanks, Deborah --_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C8527ED6BAMISOUT7MSGUSRDE_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
CCAMP,
 
In doing my AD review of this draft, I found the IANA Considerations s= ection confusing and have returned the draft to the WG. To have both Standa= rds Action and IETF Review specified is an overlap. I’ve discussed wi= th your Chairs and they have a proposal to discuss with you. I would hope this is non-controversial and can be done= quickly (can be a shortened WG Last Call) and we can get on with publishin= g the document.
 
When fixing, I recommend removing one of the two paragraphs from the I= ntroduction as they are duplicates. It’s ok the draft is short and to= the point. As this draft is forward looking for the registry, it would be = best to generalize vs. repeating text from the other draft on Sup43, so I recommend removing the 1st paragraph an= d keeping the second paragraph (with some tweaks).
 
Thanks,
Deborah
 
 
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ESESSHC015.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.63]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:18:25 +0100 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry Thread-Index: AdFZJrMzDUhiWqCnQTuL7YOHQ6ZYFwAhOmJw Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:18:24 +0000 Message-ID: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4816190722@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.19] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4816190722ESESSMB301erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrGIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7vW6Qwuowg78vuCyW7tjEZPFkzg0W i8td3ewWu7fNZLOYMfsyqwOrx8v+OYweO2fdZfdYsuQnUwBzFJdNSmpOZllqkb5dAldG/5Yv bAXPFzFWXP7XwtTAeGAiYxcjJ4eEgInEjK7p7BC2mMSFe+vZuhi5OIQEDjNKzH4wiw0kISSw hFHi+CXjLkYODjYBK4knh3xAwiICqhJnbl5kBKlnFpjHJLH19AVmkISwgJvE9znL2CCK3CXu 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Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:18:32 -0000 --_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4816190722ESESSMB301erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WG, authors, The discussion on the OTN additional signal type drafts triggered a further= discussion on the OTN signal type sub-registry draft that ended up with th= e decision to send the draft back to the WG for some fixing. Here a summary of the discussion and way forward for the 2 drafts: draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry - Fix the editorial part as suggested by Deborah below - IANA section needs to be updated indicating the registry and the= following registration policies: "Standards Action" (for Standards Track = documents) and "Specification Required" (for other documents). The designat= ed expert is any current CCAMP WG chair. - A new short Last Call will be issued as soon as the new version = will be available. draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type - Adrian's comments to be addressed: (https://mailarchive.ietf.or= g/arch/msg/ccamp/VNQKqOCJVS9WbQxoeBxfwPDENUY ) - Intended status: Informational - Have G.sup43 as normative reference - Have draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry as normative r= eference - State that the document requests code points from the not standa= rds track part of the registry. - The last call will be extended to end together with the last cal= l of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry one (as this document is = depending on it). Thanks Daniele From: BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A [mailto:db3546@att.com] Sent: mercoled=EC 27 gennaio 2016 18:30 To: ccamp@ietf.org Cc: ccamp-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry@iet= f.org; huubatwork@gmail.com Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry CCAMP, In doing my AD review of this draft, I found the IANA Considerations sectio= n confusing and have returned the draft to the WG. To have both Standards A= ction and IETF Review specified is an overlap. I've discussed with your Cha= irs and they have a proposal to discuss with you. I would hope this is non-= controversial and can be done quickly (can be a shortened WG Last Call) and= we can get on with publishing the document. When fixing, I recommend removing one of the two paragraphs from the Introd= uction as they are duplicates. It's ok the draft is short and to the point.= As this draft is forward looking for the registry, it would be best to gen= eralize vs. repeating text from the other draft on Sup43, so I recommend re= moving the 1st paragraph and keeping the second paragraph (with some tweaks= ). Thanks, Deborah --_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4816190722ESESSMB301erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

WG, authors,

 <= /p>

The discussion on the OTN= additional signal type drafts triggered a further discussion on the OTN si= gnal type sub-registry draft that ended up with the decision to send the draft back to the WG for some fixing.

Here a summary of the dis= cussion and way forward for the 2 drafts:

 <= /p>

draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-sign= al-type-subregistry

- = ;         Fix the editorial= part as suggested by Deborah below

- = ;         IANA section need= s to be updated indicating the registry and the following registration poli= cies:  "Standards Action" (for Standards Track documents) and "Specification Required" (for other documents). The designat= ed expert is any current CCAMP WG chair.

- = ;         A new short Last = Call will be issued as soon as the new version will be available.

 <= /p>

draft-ietf-ccamp-addition= al-signal-type

- = ;         Adrian’s co= mments to be addressed:  (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/m= sg/ccamp/VNQKqOCJVS9WbQxoeBxfwPDENUY )

- = ;         Intended status: = Informational

- = ;         Have G.sup43 as n= ormative reference

- = ;         Have draft-ietf-c= camp-otn-signal-type-subregistry as normative reference

- = ;         State that the do= cument requests code points from the not standards track part of the regist= ry.

- = ;         The last call wil= l be extended to end together with the last call of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-si= gnal-type-subregistry one (as this document is depending on it).

 <= /p>

Thanks<= /p>

Daniele=

 <= /p>

From: BRUNGARD= , DEBORAH A [mailto:db3546@att.com]
Sent: mercoled=EC 27 gennaio 2016 18:30
To: ccamp@ietf.org
Cc: ccamp-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregis= try@ietf.org; huubatwork@gmail.com
Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry

 

CCAMP,

 

In doing my AD review of this draft, I = found the IANA Considerations section confusing and have returned the draft= to the WG. To have both Standards Action and IETF Review specified is an overlap. I’ve discussed with your Chairs and they ha= ve a proposal to discuss with you. I would hope this is non-controversial a= nd can be done quickly (can be a shortened WG Last Call) and we can get on = with publishing the document.

 

When fixing, I recommend removing one o= f the two paragraphs from the Introduction as they are duplicates. It’= ;s ok the draft is short and to the point. As this draft is forward looking for the registry, it would be best to generalize vs. repeating tex= t from the other draft on Sup43, so I recommend removing the 1<= span style=3D"font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se= rif"">st paragraph and keeping the second paragraph (with some tweaks).<= /span>

 

Thanks,

Deborah

 

 

--_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4816190722ESESSMB301erics_-- From nobody Fri Jan 29 10:15:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC2D1A907B; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:15:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mI6GJ9XGWual; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B827A1A8AFD; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:15:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=24989; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1454091312; x=1455300912; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=sfNUoqrxRe0Eq5TLEdKlga7Ftko3dH1itMtIU1DEV+w=; b=WU52lVg/1OHFhePxMoy+7ZMNwdgbLY7v1X4oOFbiAfx2jlsidVE3V3RA R+UWKsc1mDCo06R1PkJsA7QU1izLwGR+ivkMCduAOc121VH+TXOdoCTOd No/hLSyTVPKCOq1XyGQt3o7pOWCA8bNyJBy7o+/6/jXTUTWQoJN08DSJQ o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0APAgCDq6tW/49dJa1egm5MUm0GhCaEL?= =?us-ascii?q?LE4AQ2BYyKFbQKBNDgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhEEBAQEELT4OEAIBCBEDAQEBIQcHIRE?= =?us-ascii?q?UCQgBAQQBDQWIBgMSDgO8Gw2EFAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAREEhg2EN?= =?us-ascii?q?4I3ghsNCYQEBY1ciRIBhUaGEYFzgVuNFoZ9g2+DUAEeAQFCg2xqiAF8AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.22,365,1449532800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="68377851" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 29 Jan 2016 18:15:11 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-020.cisco.com (xch-rtp-020.cisco.com [64.101.220.160]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u0TIFBhU024451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:15:11 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-018.cisco.com (64.101.220.158) by XCH-RTP-020.cisco.com (64.101.220.160) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:15:10 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-018.cisco.com ([64.101.220.158]) by XCH-RTP-018.cisco.com ([64.101.220.158]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:15:10 -0500 From: "Zafar Ali (zali)" To: Daniele Ceccarelli , "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry Thread-Index: AdFZJrMzDUhiWqCnQTuL7YOHQ6ZYFwAhOmJwAEVYSYA= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:15:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4816190722@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4816190722@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.8.151023 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.152.43] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D2D1159715FCF9zaliciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "ccamp-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry@ietf.org" , "huubatwork@gmail.com" Subject: Re: [CCAMP] AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:15:16 -0000 --_000_D2D1159715FCF9zaliciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thanks Adrian, Deborah, Chairs and all for the input. Authors will revised = the draft based on the comments. Thanks Regards ... Zafar From: Daniele Ceccarelli > Date: Friday, January 29, 2016 at 3:18 AM To: "ccamp@ietf.org" > Cc: "ccamp-chairs@ietf.org" >, "draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-sub= registry@ietf.org" >, "huubatwork@gmail.com" >, "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS) (db3546@att.com)= " > Subject: RE: AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry WG, authors, The discussion on the OTN additional signal type drafts triggered a further= discussion on the OTN signal type sub-registry draft that ended up with th= e decision to send the draft back to the WG for some fixing. Here a summary of the discussion and way forward for the 2 drafts: draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry - Fix the editorial part as suggested by Deborah below - IANA section needs to be updated indicating the registry and the= following registration policies: "Standards Action" (for Standards Track = documents) and "Specification Required" (for other documents). The designat= ed expert is any current CCAMP WG chair. - A new short Last Call will be issued as soon as the new version = will be available. draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-type - Adrian's comments to be addressed: (https://mailarchive.ietf.or= g/arch/msg/ccamp/VNQKqOCJVS9WbQxoeBxfwPDENUY ) - Intended status: Informational - Have G.sup43 as normative reference - Have draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry as normative r= eference - State that the document requests code points from the not standa= rds track part of the registry. - The last call will be extended to end together with the last cal= l of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry one (as this document is = depending on it). Thanks Daniele From: BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A [mailto:db3546@att.com] Sent: mercoled=EC 27 gennaio 2016 18:30 To: ccamp@ietf.org Cc: ccamp-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ccamp-o= tn-signal-type-subregistry@ietf.org; huubatwork@gmail.com Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry CCAMP, In doing my AD review of this draft, I found the IANA Considerations sectio= n confusing and have returned the draft to the WG. To have both Standards A= ction and IETF Review specified is an overlap. I've discussed with your Cha= irs and they have a proposal to discuss with you. I would hope this is non-= controversial and can be done quickly (can be a shortened WG Last Call) and= we can get on with publishing the document. When fixing, I recommend removing one of the two paragraphs from the Introd= uction as they are duplicates. It's ok the draft is short and to the point.= As this draft is forward looking for the registry, it would be best to gen= eralize vs. repeating text from the other draft on Sup43, so I recommend re= moving the 1st paragraph and keeping the second paragraph (with some tweaks= ). Thanks, Deborah --_000_D2D1159715FCF9zaliciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi 

Thanks Adrian, Deborah, Chairs a= nd all for the input. Authors will revised the draft based on the comments.=  

Thanks

Regards … Zafar

From: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.co= m>
Date: Friday, January 29, 2016 at 3= :18 AM
To: "ccamp@ietf.org" <cca= mp@ietf.org>
Cc: "ccamp-chairs@ietf.org" <ccamp-chairs@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-s= ignal-type-subregistry@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry@ietf.org>, "huubatwork@gmail.com" <huubatwork@gmail.com>, "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS) (db3= 546@att.com)" <db3546@att.com= >
Subject: RE: AD review of draft-iet= f-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry

WG, authors,

 

The discussion on the OTN additiona= l signal type drafts triggered a further discussion on the OTN signal type = sub-registry draft that ended up with the decision to send the draft back to the WG for some fixing.<= /span>

Here a summary of the discussion an= d way forward for the 2 drafts:

 

draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-su= bregistry

-          Fix the editorial part = as suggested by Deborah below

-          IANA section needs to b= e updated indicating the registry and the following registration policies: =  "Standards Action" (for Standards Track documents) and "Specification Required" (for other documen= ts). The designated expert is any current CCAMP WG chair.

-          A new short Last Call w= ill be issued as soon as the new version will be available.

 

draft-ietf-ccamp-additional-signal-= type

-          Adrian’s comments= to be addressed:  (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cca= mp/VNQKqOCJVS9WbQxoeBxfwPDENUY )

-          Intended status: Inform= ational

-          Have G.sup43 as normati= ve reference

-          Have draft-ietf-ccamp-o= tn-signal-type-subregistry as normative reference

-          State that the document= requests code points from the not standards track part of the registry.

-          The last call will be e= xtended to end together with the last call of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-t= ype-subregistry one (as this document is depending on it).

 

Thanks

Daniele

 

From: BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A [mailto:db3546@att.com]
Sent: mercoled=EC 27 gennaio 2016 18:30
To: ccamp@ietf.org
Cc: ccamp-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry@ietf.org; huubatwork@gmail.com
Subject: AD review of draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-signal-type-subregistry

 

CCAMP,

 

In doing my AD review of this draft, I found the IANA Consid= erations section confusing and have returned the draft to the WG. To have b= oth Standards Action and IETF Review specified is an overlap. I’ve discussed with your Chairs and they ha= ve a proposal to discuss with you. I would hope this is non-controversial a= nd can be done quickly (can be a shortened WG Last Call) and we can get on = with publishing the document.

 

When fixing, I recommend removing one of the two paragraphs = from the Introduction as they are duplicates. It’s ok the draft is sh= ort and to the point. As this draft is forward looking for the registry, it would be best to generalize vs. repeating tex= t from the other draft on Sup43, so I recommend removing the 1<= span style=3D"font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">st paragraph and keeping the second paragraph (with some tweaks).<= /span>

 

Thanks,

Deborah

 

 

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