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Hi all,

This is an invite to the MDT meeting on Thursday March 9, 9:00-10:00 (CET).

Agenda:

*         YANG Data Model - Open Topics

o   List of Open Topics distributed to the MDT in advance of the meeting (J=
onasA)

o   Discussion & agreement on way forward

*         ONF F2F - Opportunity for collaboration?

o   Short report from Xi

*         IETF 98

o   Participation & planning of F2F meetings

o   Preparations & presentations

?  Framework

?  YANG Data Model

*         Update on IETF Article

*         AOB

o   ...

Regards
JonasA


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"><span style=3D"color:#0066CC">Forgot your dial-in PIN?</span></a></span><=
span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:3.0pt">
</span><span lang=3D"EN">|</span><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t"><a href=3D"http://o15.officeredir.microsoft.com/r/rlidLync15?clid=3D1033=
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pan><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:3.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:8.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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m, add 77 before the Conference ID (e.g. 771234567 where 1234567 is the con=
ference ID).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; To join from a video room
 outside of Ericsson add one of the domains after 77 and Conference ID (e.g=
. 771234567@ xxxx.ericsson.net, where xxxx=3Demea/apac/amcs).&nbsp; For ass=
istance contact the IT Service Desk.
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Thanks Adrian and Fatai.From what you say, it looks like I need to have an =
implementation for=C2=A0RFC 6373before I go onto signal the OAM entities fo=
r MPLS-TP paths.=C2=A0Thanks and Regards,Naveen T

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    On Thursday, 23 February 2017 4:10 PM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.=
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gin-bottom:0cm;}#yiv2575976584 Fatai is right, I think. =C2=A0If you want t=
o operate "static" MPLS LSPs without using a control plane, then it would (=
IMO) be peculiar to suddenly want to use a control plane to configure and m=
anage OAM on that LSP. =C2=A0Why would you not use the same static provisio=
ning tools? =C2=A0Of course, there is also RFC 7212 available to you. =C2=
=A0Adrian =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf =
Of Fatai Zhang
Sent: 23 February 2017 03:30
To: Naveen T; ccamp@ietf.org; Mpls
Subject: [mpls] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [CCAMP] Question regarding RFC 7260 =C2=
=A0Hi Naveen, =C2=A0Per RFC 7487, =C2=A0I think there should be GMPLS contr=
ol plane for OAM configuration purpose.  =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
Thanks =C2=A0Fatai =C2=A0=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-b=
ounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Naveen T
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8822=E6=97=A5 21=
:50
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: ccamp@ietf.org; Mpls
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [CCAMP] Question regarding RFC 7260 =C2=A0Dear Authors,=
 et al., =C2=A0RFC 7260=C2=A0describes the procedures for OAM configuration=
 and control via RSVP-TE.=C2=A0RFC 7467=C2=A0further extends this to provid=
e procedures to configure pro-active OAMs like BFD, FMS etc.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I =
have a query regarding the usage of RSVP-TE to carry the OAM configurations=
 from the MPLS-TP tunnel ingress to the tunnel egress.Considering that the =
MPLS-TP bi-directional LSP has been established statically and the requirem=
ent is to only signal the OAM entities, I have the following assumptions:1.=
=C2=A0 An IGP path must be established between the MPLS-TP tunnel's ingress=
 and egress LERs.2.=C2=A0 The MPLS-TP node_id of and LER/LSR, defined=C2=A0=
here, will also be configured as that LER's/LSR's loopback interface's addr=
ess.3.=C2=A0 The IGP will ensure that each LER/LSR learns about all the LSR=
s/LERs along the MPLS-TP transport path.4.=C2=A0 RSVP-TE will use this IGP =
path to send/receive the PATH/RESV messages. =C2=A0Are these assumptions co=
rrect?Or, should there be a GMPLS control-plane adjacency between LERs/LSRs=
 along the MPLS-TP path with the TE links on these nodes acting as the MPLS=
-TP NNI interfaces? =C2=A0Thanks and Regards,Naveen T =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
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Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1488514039820_2718"=
><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1488514039820_2717">Thanks Adrian and Fatai.=
</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1488514039820_2718" dir=3D"ltr"><=
span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1488514039820_3003">From what you say, it look=
s like I need to have an implementation for&nbsp;</span><a class=3D"edited-=
link-editor" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6373">RFC 6373</a></div=
><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1488514039820_2718" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"y=
ui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1488514039820_3007">before I go onto signal the OAM entiti=
es for MPLS-TP paths.</span></div><div></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1=
488514039820_2643">&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"signature" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym=
19_1_1488514039820_2878"><span style=3D"font-style:italic;font-weight:bold;=
">Thanks and Regards,</span><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1488514039820_2877=
"><span>Naveen T<br></span><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1488514039820_2879"=
><br></div></div></div> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display: block;"> <div style=3D"font-family: H=
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font-size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue=
, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir=
=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Thursday, 23 February 2017 4:1=
0 PM, Adrian Farrel &lt;adrian@olddog.co.uk&gt; wrote:<br></font></div>  <b=
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lass=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">Fatai is =
right, I think.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">If you want to operate "static" M=
PLS LSPs without using a control plane, then it would (IMO) be peculiar to =
suddenly want to use a control plane to configure and manage OAM on that LS=
P.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">Why would you not use the same static provisio=
ning tools?</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">Of course, there is also RFC 7212 a=
vailable to you.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">Adrian</span></div><div class=3D=
"yiv2575976584MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"> &nbsp;</span></=
div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"=
> &nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt=
;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584yqt1408225303" id=
=3D"yiv2575976584yqt97323"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid =
#B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNor=
mal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@i=
etf.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fatai Zhang<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> 23 =
February 2017 03:30<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Naveen T; ccamp@ietf.org; =
Mpls<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> [mpls] </span><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;">=E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;">: [CCAMP] Question regarding RFC 7260</span></div></div></div><d=
iv class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</div><div class=3D"yiv257597658=
4MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;">Hi Naveen,</sp=
an></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:10.5pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;">Per RFC 7487, &nbsp;=
I think there should be GMPLS control plane for OAM configuration purpose. =
</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.5pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div><div class=3D"yiv25759765=
84MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.5pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" =
style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"text=
-align:justify;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;"> &nbsp;</=
span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justif=
y;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><d=
iv class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;">Thanks</span></div><div class=3D"yi=
v2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.5pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"text-align:justify;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.5pt;">Fatai</span></div></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><div><=
div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0=
cm 0cm;"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA</span></b><b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] </span><b><=
span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 </span><=
/b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Naveen T<br clear=3D"no=
ne"></span><b><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=E5=8F=91=E9=
=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4</span></b><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> 2=
017</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=E5=B9=B4</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">2</span><span lang=3D"ZH-C=
N" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=E6=9C=88</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">22</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;">=E6=97=A5</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> 21:=
50<br clear=3D"none"></span><b><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;">=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA</span></b><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;"> ccamp@ietf.org; Mpls<br clear=3D"none"></span><b><span lang=3D"ZH-CN=
" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98</span></b><b><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> [CCAMP] Question regarding RFC 7260</span></div></d=
iv></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D""> &nbsp;</span></div></div><div><div id=3D"yiv2575976584"><div id=3D"y=
iv2575976584yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487767882136_27819"><div id=3D"yiv2575976584=
yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487767882136_27818"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584yqt140822=
5303" id=3D"yiv2575976584yqt16784"><div id=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3_16_0_ym19_=
1_1487767882136_23159"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"backg=
round:white;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;">Dear Authors,=
 et al.,</span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_148776=
7882136_23159"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"background:wh=
ite;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div><=
/div><div id=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487767882136_23159"><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7260">RFC 7260</a>&nbsp;=
describes the procedures for OAM configuration and control via RSVP-TE.&nbs=
p;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1=
487767882136_28448" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/r=
fc7487">RFC 7467</a>&nbsp;further extends this to provide procedures to con=
figure pro-active OAMs like BFD, FMS etc.&nbsp;</span></div></div><div id=
=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487767882136_28460"><div class=3D"yiv25=
75976584MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:9.5pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv2575976584yui=
_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487767882136_28460"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"background:white;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;">=
I have a query regarding the usage of RSVP-TE to carry the OAM configuratio=
ns from the MPLS-TP tunnel ingress to the tunnel egress.</span></div></div>=
<div id=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487767882136_28460"><div class=
=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;">Considering that the MPLS-TP bi-directional LS=
P has been established statically and the requirement is to only signal the=
 OAM entities, I have the following assumptions:</span></div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;background:white;=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;"><span style=3D"">1.<span =
style=3D"font:7.0pt;">&nbsp; </span></span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" styl=
e=3D"font-size:9.5pt;">An IGP path must be established between the MPLS-TP =
tunnel's ingress and egress LERs.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;background:white;"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;"><span style=3D"">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt;"=
>&nbsp; </span></span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;=
">The MPLS-TP node_id of and LER/LSR, defined&nbsp;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487767882136_29525" target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6370#section-4">here</a>=
, will also be configured as that LER's/LSR's loopback interface's address.=
</span></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.=
0pt;background:white;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;"><spa=
n style=3D"">3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt;">&nbsp; </span></span></span><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;">The IGP will ensure that each L=
ER/LSR learns about all the LSRs/LERs along the MPLS-TP transport path.</sp=
an></div><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;=
background:white;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;"><span st=
yle=3D"">4.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt;">&nbsp; </span></span></span><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;">RSVP-TE will use this IGP path to s=
end/receive the PATH/RESV messages.</span></div><div id=3D"yiv2575976584yui=
_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487767882136_28491"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"background:white;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;">=
 &nbsp;</span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487767=
882136_28491"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whi=
te;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;">Are these assumptions =
correct?</span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_148776=
7882136_28491"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"background:wh=
ite;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;">Or, should there be a=
 GMPLS control-plane adjacency between LERs/LSRs along the MPLS-TP path wit=
h the TE links on these nodes acting as the MPLS-TP NNI interfaces?</span><=
/div></div><div id=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487767882136_23159"><=
div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div></div></div><div =
id=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487767882136_23162"><div class=3D"yiv=
2575976584yqt1408225303" id=3D"yiv2575976584yqt38628"><div class=3D"yiv2575=
976584MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"><b><i><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:9.5pt;">Thanks and Regards,</span></i></b><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;"></span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv2575976584y=
ui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487767882136_23165"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584yqt1408225=
303" id=3D"yiv2575976584yqt34037"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" sty=
le=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-size:9.5pt;">Naveen T</span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3=
_16_0_ym19_1_1487767882136_23207"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" sty=
le=3D"background:white;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;"> &=
nbsp;</span></div></div></div></div></div><div id=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3_16_=
0_ym19_1_1487767882136_29211"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=
=3D"background:white;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;"> &nb=
sp;</span></div></div><div id=3D"yiv2575976584yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_14877678821=
36_29065"><div class=3D"yiv2575976584MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white;"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;"> &nbsp;</span></div></div>=
</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"yqt1408225303" =
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Dear Authors, et al.,
The=C2=A0RFC 6737=C2=A0defines a control plane framework for MPLS-TP networ=
ks and suggests the usage ofGMPLS to signal the MPLS-TP transport path.
Further to this, we found an expired draft,=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/id/=
draft-chen-ccamp-mpls-tp-oio-00.txt, that talksabout carrying the MPLS-TP i=
ndentifiers in the RSVP-TE path message.However, since this draft has expir=
ed, is there any other way to transport the MPLS-TP identifiers during the =
pathestablishment?=C2=A0Thanks and Regards,Naveen T


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l.,</div><div id=3D"yiv2219492964yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1488514039820_8668"><br>=
</div><div id=3D"yiv2219492964yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1488514039820_8668" dir=3D"=
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19492964yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1488514039820_8936">RFC 6737</a>&nbsp;defines a c=
ontrol plane framework for MPLS-TP networks and suggests the usage of</div>=
<div id=3D"yiv2219492964yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1488514039820_9105">GMPLS to sign=
al the MPLS-TP transport path.<br></div><div id=3D"yiv2219492964yui_3_16_0_=
ym19_1_1488514039820_9105" dir=3D"ltr">Further to this, we found an expired=
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tf.org/id/draft-chen-ccamp-mpls-tp-oio-00.txt" id=3D"yiv2219492964yui_3_16_=
0_ym19_1_1488514039820_9609">https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-chen-ccamp-mpl=
s-tp-oio-00.txt</a>, that talks</div><div id=3D"yiv2219492964yui_3_16_0_ym1=
9_1_1488514039820_9105" dir=3D"ltr">about carrying the MPLS-TP indentifiers=
 in the RSVP-TE path message.</div><div id=3D"yiv2219492964yui_3_16_0_ym19_=
1_1488514039820_9105" dir=3D"ltr">However, since this draft has expired, is=
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div><div id=3D"yiv2219492964yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1488514039820_9105" dir=3D"lt=
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Dear Daniele Ceccarelli,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
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ccamp Session 1 (1:30:00)
    Tuesday, Afternoon Session II 1450-1620
    Room Name: Zurich A size: 115
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Working Group Name: Common Control and Measurement Plane
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     Dear all,

     Please find below a new draft of the Flexigrid YANG model. In this 
new version some changes have been made, according to previous received 
feedback:

  * Now both models are updated to YANG 1.1.
  *
    State containers in the tree structure are now read-only.
  * "Transponder" does not augment "node" anymore. Flexi-grid-node is
    the only structure playing this role in the model. Therefore,
    node-type was eliminated.
  *
    "Transponder" augments "tunnel-termination-point". Since this
    structure does not have state or config subdivision, we have added
    config and state containers. Transponder-type is included to
    indicate whether it is a transponder or a sliceable transponder.
  *
    Few corrections to be coherent with TE topology model.
  *
    Reference types are taken from TE topology model, so transponder-ref
    becomes tunnel-tp-id. Also node-ref is te-node-id.
  *
    Minor corrections in some descriptions.
  *
    Updated references and authors.

     If you have any comment, please do not hesitate to send them to me.

     Best regards,

     -Jorge



-------- Mensaje reenviado --------
Asunto: 	New Version Notification for 
draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt
Fecha: 	Mon, 06 Mar 2017 01:03:50 -0800
De: 	internet-drafts@ietf.org
Para: 	Oscar de Dios <oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com>, Oscar 
Gonzalez de Dios <oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com>, Gabriele 
Galimberti <ggalimbe@cisco.com>, Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara 
<jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es>, Universidad de Madrid 
<jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es>, Daniel King <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>, 
Daniel Perdices <daniel.perdices@estudiante.uam.es>, Young Lee 
<leeyoung@huawei.com>, Victor Lopezalvarez 
<victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com>, Victor Lopez 
<victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com>



A new version of I-D, draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:		draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang
Revision:	04
Title:		YANG data model for Flexi-Grid Optical Networks
Document date:	2017-03-06
Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		32
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04
Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04

Abstract:
    This document defines a YANG model for managing flexi-grid optical
    Networks. The model described in this document is composed of two
    submodels: one to define a flexi-grid traffic engineering database,
    and other one to describe the flexi-grid paths or media channels.
    It is grounded on other defined YANG abstract models.

                                                                                   


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    <p>Â Â Â  Please find below a new draft of the Flexigrid YANG model. In
      this new version some changes have been made, according to
      previous received feedback:</p>
    <ul>
      <li>Now both models are updated to YANG 1.1.</li>
      <li>
        <div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">State containers
          in the tree structure are now read-only.</div>
      </li>
      <li>"Transponder" does not augment "node" anymore. Flexi-grid-node
        is the only structure playing this role in the model. Therefore,
        node-type was eliminated.</li>
      <li>
        <div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">"Transponder"
          augments "tunnel-termination-point". Since this structure does
          not have state or config subdivision, we have added config and
          state containers. Transponder-type is included to indicate
          whether it is a transponder or a sliceable transponder.Â </div>
      </li>
      <li>
        <div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">Few corrections
          to be coherent with TE topology model.</div>
      </li>
      <li>
        <div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">Reference types
          are taken from TE topology model, so transponder-ref becomes
          tunnel-tp-id. Also node-ref is te-node-id.</div>
      </li>
      <li>
        <div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">Minor
          corrections in some descriptions.</div>
      </li>
      <li>
        <div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">Updated
          references and authors. <br>
        </div>
      </li>
    </ul>
    <p>Â Â Â  If you have any comment, please do not hesitate to send them
      to me. <br>
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    <p>Â Â Â  Best regards,</p>
    <p>Â Â Â  -Jorge</p>
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            </th>
            <td>New Version Notification for
              draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt</td>
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            <th align="RIGHT" nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE">Fecha: </th>
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            <td>Oscar de Dios
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com">&lt;oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com&gt;</a>, Oscar
              Gonzalez de Dios
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com">&lt;oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com&gt;</a>, Gabriele
              Galimberti <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ggalimbe@cisco.com">&lt;ggalimbe@cisco.com&gt;</a>, Jorge E. Lopez de
              Vergara <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es">&lt;jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es&gt;</a>, Universidad de
              Madrid <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es">&lt;jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es&gt;</a>, Daniel King
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:d.king@lancaster.ac.uk">&lt;d.king@lancaster.ac.uk&gt;</a>, Daniel Perdices
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:daniel.perdices@estudiante.uam.es">&lt;daniel.perdices@estudiante.uam.es&gt;</a>, Young Lee
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com">&lt;leeyoung@huawei.com&gt;</a>, Victor Lopezalvarez
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com">&lt;victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com&gt;</a>, Victor Lopez
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com">&lt;victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com&gt;</a></td>
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      <pre>A new version of I-D, draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:		draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang
Revision:	04
Title:		YANG data model for Flexi-Grid Optical Networks
Document date:	2017-03-06
Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		32
URL:            <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt">https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt</a>
Status:         <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang/</a>
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Diff:           <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04</a>

Abstract:
   This document defines a YANG model for managing flexi-grid optical
   Networks. The model described in this document is composed of two
   submodels: one to define a flexi-grid traffic engineering database,
   and other one to describe the flexi-grid paths or media channels.
   It is grounded on other defined YANG abstract models.

                                                                                  


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hello Gert,<br>
      <br>
      Thank you for reviewing our draft.<br>
      <br>
      Please see my respinse in-line [Huub]<br>
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      <div class="WordSection1"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks
          for
          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zih-ccamp-otn-b100g-fwk-00">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zih-ccamp-otn-b100g-fwk-00</a>.
          This framework looks indeed more complete and accurate from a
          data-plane perspective than the one earlier discussed. In
          particular, the OTU structure down to Wavelength/PHY level
          which was missing from
          draft-zheng-ccamp-gmpls-g709v5-fwk-00.txt has been captured
          (Figure-1). You also capture the OTUCn-M signal which has not
          been discussed on this list so far and needs consideration.
          <o:p></o:p></span>
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Few
            minor points:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="mso-list:Ignore">Â·<span style="font:7.0pt
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">3.3
            "The ODUCn is meant to be used as a high-order signal only":
            "Figure 7-1 â€“ OTN multiplexing and mapping structures" shows
            the possibility to map a proprietary signal directly into
            OPUCn/ODUCn. Â This basically allows to use a different
            mapping than the one suggested. I wouldn't mind if no one
            would use that option, but at least state that there is one.</span></p>
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    [Huub] Higher-order and lower-order refer to the layering, not to
    the functional mapping.<br>
    It is possible/allowed to map a non-OTN signal directly into a
    higher-order OTN signal.<br>
    <br>
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              style="mso-list:Ignore">Â·<span style="font:7.0pt
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">3.6c:
            What does it mean "Drop support for ODU Virtual
            Concatenation."? Is this an assumption taken by the authors
            of the framework or is this found in G.709v5? How is
            backwards compatibility supposed to work? It would at least
            warrant a statement in the Requirements section.</span></p>
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    <br>
    [Huub] it is in G.709v5, in the summary: "Edition 5.0 furthermore
    deleted the OPUk concatenation specifications"<br>
    Also clause 18 is intentionally empty.<br>
    Backwards compatibility is not an issue because AFAIK VCAT was never
    implemented in OTN because it <br>
    would need an enormous amount of memory to compensate the
    differential delay. <br>
    That is why I helped to develop ODUflex.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:23680165-C721-4A0F-BBB7-50BC86BEF093@juniper.net"
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">5.2b:
            You note this is under discussion. Would be great to let the
            WG know about the arguments. I.e. I would find it strange
            not to allocate slot resources for ODU clients, but perhaps
            the discussion is about other details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There
            is no mentioning of protection mechanisms in the current
            Framework. At least backwards compatibility to existing
            mechanisms should be required.</span></p>
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    <br>
    [Huub] We can work on this.<br>
    <br>
    Cheers, Huub.<br>
    <br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
            </b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wang.qilei@zte.com.cn">"wang.qilei@zte.com.cn"</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wang.qilei@zte.com.cn">&lt;wang.qilei@zte.com.cn&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Monday 06 March 2017 at 15:55<br>
              <b>To: </b>Gert Grammel <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ggrammel@juniper.net">&lt;ggrammel@juniper.net&gt;</a>,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zhenghaomian@huawei.com">"zhenghaomian@huawei.com"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:zhenghaomian@huawei.com">&lt;zhenghaomian@huawei.com&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b>CCAMP <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ccamp@ietf.org">&lt;ccamp@ietf.org&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [CCAMP] </span><span
              style="font-family:SimSun;color:black">è½¬å‘</span><span
              style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">: New Version
              Notification for draft-zheng-ccamp-gmpls-g709v5-fwk-00.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
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          <p>Hi Gert, Haomian,<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Sorry for chipping in.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>I would like to inform you that another g709v5 draft has
            already been submitted at Feb 7, 2017, almost one month ago.
            And the link is: Â <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zih-ccamp-otn-b100g-fwk-00">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zih-ccamp-otn-b100g-fwk-00</a>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>In this draft, I think the split of OTUCn signal and the
            other issue described in this mail are covered already.
            Please take a look at it.<o:p></o:p><o:p>Â </o:p>
          </p>
          <p>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p>Qilei<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Haomian,<br>
                      <br>
ThankÂ youÂ forÂ consideringÂ aÂ frameworkÂ documentÂ aboutÂ ODU4Â andÂ ODUCnÂ andÂ beyondÂ 100GÂ structures.Â ThisÂ draftÂ isÂ certainlyÂ aÂ goodÂ startingÂ point.Â Â ThatÂ said,Â asÂ G.709v5Â includesÂ theÂ digitalÂ (ODUk/ODUCnÂ layer)Â andÂ opticalÂ layerÂ considerationsÂ andÂ myÂ preferenceÂ wouldÂ beÂ toÂ seeÂ bothÂ tackledÂ inÂ oneÂ frameworkÂ document,Â butÂ obviouslyÂ thatÂ isÂ aÂ choiceÂ ofÂ theÂ authors.Â <br>
                      FewÂ quickÂ commentsÂ relatedÂ toÂ theÂ currentÂ draft:<br>
-Â WhatÂ kindÂ ofÂ confusedÂ meÂ wasÂ theÂ statementÂ "ThisÂ documentÂ focusesÂ onÂ onlyÂ theÂ controlÂ ofÂ theÂ ODUk/ODUCnÂ layer."Â InÂ combinationÂ withÂ "Â TheÂ opticalÂ layerÂ controlÂ willÂ beÂ addressedÂ inÂ aÂ separateÂ document."Â ItÂ appearsÂ toÂ meÂ thatÂ withÂ thisÂ splitÂ theÂ digitalÂ partÂ ofÂ OTUCnÂ isÂ notÂ coveredÂ inÂ eitherÂ document.Â AsÂ theÂ digitalÂ structureÂ ofÂ anÂ OTUC1Â isÂ notÂ theÂ sameÂ asÂ anÂ OTU4,Â itÂ wouldÂ makeÂ senseÂ toÂ eitherÂ considerÂ itÂ inÂ thisÂ frameworkÂ orÂ spellÂ outÂ thatÂ itÂ isÂ consideredÂ inÂ aÂ differentÂ one.<br>
-Â InÂ G.709v5Â anÂ OTUÂ canÂ beÂ mappedÂ ontoÂ OTL3.4Â orÂ OTL4.4.Â thoseÂ OTLÂ areÂ digitalÂ structuresÂ butÂ mayÂ beÂ consideredÂ inÂ theÂ "opticalÂ layerÂ framework"Â (seeÂ above).Â IfÂ thatÂ wasÂ theÂ intentionÂ itÂ wouldÂ beÂ greatÂ toÂ spellÂ itÂ out.<br>
-Â WhileÂ inÂ theÂ pastÂ aÂ clientÂ signalÂ mappingÂ followedÂ client-<span
                        style="font-family:&quot;MS Mincho&quot;">ï¼ž</span>OPU-<span
                        style="font-family:&quot;MS Mincho&quot;">ï¼ž</span>ODU-<span
                        style="font-family:&quot;MS Mincho&quot;">ï¼ž</span>OTUÂ mappings,Â theÂ newÂ schemeÂ suggestsÂ aÂ mappingÂ likeÂ client-<span
                        style="font-family:&quot;MS Mincho&quot;">ï¼ž</span>OPU-<span
                        style="font-family:&quot;MS Mincho&quot;">ï¼ž</span>ODTU-<span
                        style="font-family:&quot;MS Mincho&quot;">ï¼ž</span>ODTUG-<span
                        style="font-family:&quot;MS Mincho&quot;">ï¼ž</span>OPUCn-<span
                        style="font-family:&quot;MS Mincho&quot;">ï¼ž</span>ODUCn-<span
                        style="font-family:&quot;MS Mincho&quot;">ï¼ž</span>OTUCnÂ (FigureÂ 7-1Â â€“Â OTNÂ multiplexingÂ andÂ mappingÂ structures).Â Shouldn'tÂ thatÂ beÂ capturedÂ inÂ Figure-1?Â <br>
-Â G.709v5Â definesÂ SOTUÂ (singleÂ OTU)Â andÂ MOTUÂ (multipleÂ OTU)Â interfaces.Â SOTUÂ looksÂ likeÂ whatÂ weÂ knowÂ fromÂ OTUkÂ interfacesÂ usingÂ aÂ singleÂ wavelengthÂ carryingÂ aÂ singleÂ OTU.Â AÂ MOTUÂ interfaceÂ looksÂ likeÂ e.g.Â aÂ 400GÂ interfaceÂ strippedÂ intoÂ 4Â wavelength@100G,Â eachÂ ofÂ themÂ consideredÂ anÂ OTU.Â SoÂ hereÂ aÂ ODUC4Â mayÂ endÂ upÂ strippedÂ intoÂ 4Â OTUC1.Â AsÂ thisÂ hasÂ impactÂ onÂ routingÂ andÂ signallingÂ decisionsÂ forÂ wavelength,Â itÂ wouldÂ beÂ greatÂ toÂ coverÂ theÂ concept.<br>
                      <br>
                      Best<br>
                      <br>
                      Gert<br>
                      <br>
OnÂ 2017-03-17,Â 11:05,Â "CCAMPÂ onÂ behalfÂ ofÂ Zhenghaomian"Â <span
                        style="font-family:&quot;MS Mincho&quot;">ï¼œ</span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org">ccamp-bounces@ietf.org</a>Â onÂ behalfÂ ofÂ <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:zhenghaomian@huawei.com">zhenghaomian@huawei.com</a><span
                        style="font-family:&quot;MS Mincho&quot;">ï¼ž</span>Â wrote:<br>
                      <br>
                      Â Â Â Â DearÂ CCAMPers,Â <br>
                      Â Â Â Â <br>
Â Â Â Â PleaseÂ findÂ aÂ newÂ draftÂ uploadedÂ asÂ follow.Â InÂ thisÂ workÂ weÂ targetÂ onÂ summarizeÂ theÂ architectureÂ andÂ requirementÂ comesÂ fromÂ latestÂ OTNÂ dataÂ planeÂ recommendation,Â [ITU-TÂ G.709v5].Â WeÂ summarizedÂ someÂ previousÂ discussionsÂ inÂ theÂ workingÂ group,Â togetherÂ withÂ correspondingÂ gmplsÂ implicationsÂ describedÂ inÂ thisÂ work.Â <br>
                      Â Â Â Â <br>
Â Â Â Â YouÂ areÂ moreÂ thanÂ welcomedÂ toÂ reviewÂ theÂ documentÂ andÂ provideÂ comments,Â thankÂ you.Â <br>
                      Â Â Â Â <br>
                      Â Â Â Â BestÂ wishes,<br>
                      Â Â Â Â Haomian<br>
                      Â Â Â Â <br>
                      Â Â Â Â -----<span style="font-family:SimSun">é‚®ä»¶åŽŸä»¶</span>-----<br>
                      Â Â Â Â <span style="font-family:SimSun">å‘ä»¶äºº</span>:Â <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>Â [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>]Â <br>
                      Â Â Â Â <span style="font-family:SimSun">å‘é€æ—¶é—´</span>:Â 2017<span
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                      Â Â Â Â <span style="font-family:&quot;MS
                        Mincho&quot;">æ”¶ä»¶äºº</span>:Â DanieleÂ Ceccarelli;Â Zhenghaomian;Â DanielÂ King;Â ZafarÂ Ali;Â SergioÂ Belotti;Â Zhenghaomian;Â ItaloÂ Busi<br>
                      Â Â Â Â <span style="font-family:&quot;MS
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                        style="font-family:SimSun">é¢˜</span>:Â NewÂ VersionÂ NotificationÂ forÂ draft-zheng-ccamp-gmpls-g709v5-fwk-00.txt<br>
                      Â Â Â Â <br>
                      Â Â Â Â <br>
Â Â Â Â AÂ newÂ versionÂ ofÂ I-D,Â draft-zheng-ccamp-gmpls-g709v5-fwk-00.txt<br>
Â Â Â Â hasÂ beenÂ successfullyÂ submittedÂ byÂ HaomianÂ ZhengÂ andÂ postedÂ toÂ theÂ IETFÂ repository.<br>
                      Â Â Â Â <br>
Â Â Â Â Name:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â draft-zheng-ccamp-gmpls-g709v5-fwk<br>
                      Â Â Â Â Revision:Â Â Â Â 00<br>
Â Â Â Â Title:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â FrameworkÂ forÂ GMPLSÂ ControlÂ ofÂ OpticalÂ TransportÂ NetworksÂ inÂ G.709Â EditionÂ 5<br>
                      Â Â Â Â DocumentÂ date:Â Â Â Â 2017-03-06<br>
                      Â Â Â Â Group:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â IndividualÂ Submission<br>
                      Â Â Â Â Pages:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 11<br>
Â Â Â Â URL:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zheng-ccamp-gmpls-g709v5-fwk-00.txt">https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zheng-ccamp-gmpls-g709v5-fwk-00.txt</a><br>
Â Â Â Â Status:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zheng-ccamp-gmpls-g709v5-fwk/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zheng-ccamp-gmpls-g709v5-fwk/</a><br>
Â Â Â Â Htmlized:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zheng-ccamp-gmpls-g709v5-fwk-00">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zheng-ccamp-gmpls-g709v5-fwk-00</a><br>
                      Â Â Â Â <br>
                      Â Â Â Â <br>
                      Â Â Â Â Abstract:<br>
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â TheÂ InternationalÂ TelecommunicationÂ UnionÂ Telecommunication<br>
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â StandardizationÂ SectorÂ (ITU-T)Â hasÂ extendedÂ itsÂ Recommendations<br>
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â OpticalÂ TransportÂ NetworksÂ (OTNs,Â G.709)Â toÂ editionÂ 5Â toÂ supportÂ new<br>
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â features,Â includingÂ beyondÂ 100Â GbpsÂ (B100G)Â OTNÂ containers.<br>
                      Â Â Â Â <br>
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ThisÂ documentÂ summarizesÂ theÂ architectureÂ andÂ requirements,Â and<br>
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â providesÂ correspondingÂ controlÂ planeÂ considerationsÂ toÂ guide<br>
Â Â Â Â Â Â Â protocolÂ extensionsÂ developmentÂ inÂ supportÂ ofÂ OTNv5Â control<br>
                      Â Â Â Â Â Â Â mechanisms.<br>
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    Hi Jorge, all,<br>
    <br>
    I read the 04-revision of the draft and I have some major concerns
    regarding the modeling of optical transponders: the draft<br>
    defines models for the following two transponder types:
    flexi-grid-transponder and flexi-grid-sliceable-transponder.<br>
    <br>
    By doing so, the draft tries to define a data plane standard, which
    is clearly outside the scope of CCAMP (we had this kind of<br>
    discussion many times in the past). Please note that <a
      href="http://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=10396">ITU-T
      Recommendation G.698.2</a> defines application codes and
    OpenConfig<br>
    is following a similar approach as opposed to define an exhaustive
    list of transponder attributes (the attribute list in the draft is<br>
    b.t.w. incomplete and does not guarantee interoperability). The <a
href="https://github.com/openconfig/public/tree/master/release/models/optical-transport">OpenConfig
      terminal-device YANG model</a> defines a single<br>
    operational-mode attribute for the optical-channel as defined below:
    <br>
    <br>
    <tt>    leaf operational-mode {<br>
            type uint16;<br>
            description<br>
              "Vendor-specific mode identifier -- sets the operational<br>
              mode for the channel.  The specified operational mode must<br>
              exist in the list of supported operational modes supplied<br>
              by the device";</tt><tt><br>
          }<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
         +--rw optical-channel<br>
            +--rw config<br>
            |  +--rw frequency?             oc-opt-types:frequency-type<br>
            |  +--rw target-output-power?   decimal64<br>
            |  +--rw operational-mode?      uint16<br>
            |  +--rw line-port?             -&gt;
      /oc-platform:components/component/name<br>
      <br>
    </tt><br>
    This is similar to the application code approach. Two transponders
    are considered  interoperable if they have at least one<br>
    operational-mode in common. I strongly suggest that we follow a
    similar approach in CCAMP.<br>
    <tt><br>
    </tt>
    <hr size="2" width="100%"><br>
    Excerpts from draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt:<br>
    <pre>flexi-grid-transponder
   augment /nd:networks/nd:network/nd:node/tet:te/
   tet:tunnel-termination-point:
      +--rw transponder-type           flexi-grid-transponder-type
      +--rw config
      |  +--rw available-modulation*   modulation
      |  +--rw modulation-type?        modulation
      |  +--rw available-FEC*          FEC
      |  +--rw FEC-enabled?            boolean
      |  +--rw FEC-type?               FEC
      +--ro state
         +--ro available-modulation*   modulation
         +--ro modulation-type?        modulation
         +--ro available-FEC*          FEC
         +--ro FEC-enabled?            boolean
         +--ro FEC-type?               FEC</pre>
    <br>
    <pre>flexi-grid-<b>sliceable</b>-transponder
   augment /nd:networks/nd:network/nd:node/tet:te/
   tet:tunnel-termination-point:
      +--rw transponder-type           flexi-grid-transponder-type
      +--rw config
      |  +--rw available-modulation*   modulation
      |  +--rw modulation-type?        modulation
      |  +--rw available-FEC*          FEC
      |  +--rw FEC-enabled?            boolean
      |  +--rw FEC-type?               FEC
      |  +--rw transponder-list* [carrier-id]
      |     +--rw carrier-id           uint32
      +--ro state
         +--ro available-modulation*   modulation
         +--ro modulation-type?        modulation
         +--ro available-FEC*          FEC
         +--ro FEC-enabled?            boolean
         +--ro FEC-type?               FEC
         +--ro transponder-list* [carrier-id]
            +--ro carrier-id           uint32</pre>
    <br>
    <br>
    Thanks,<br>
    Dieter<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06.03.2017 16:18, Jorge E. López de
      Vergara Méndez wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      <p>    Dear all, <br>
      </p>
      <p>    Please find below a new draft of the Flexigrid YANG model.
        In this new version some changes have been made, according to
        previous received feedback:</p>
      <ul>
        <li>Now both models are updated to YANG 1.1.</li>
        <li>
          <div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">State
            containers in the tree structure are now read-only.</div>
        </li>
        <li>"Transponder" does not augment "node" anymore.
          Flexi-grid-node is the only structure playing this role in the
          model. Therefore, node-type was eliminated.</li>
        <li>
          <div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">"Transponder"
            augments "tunnel-termination-point". Since this structure
            does not have state or config subdivision, we have added
            config and state containers. Transponder-type is included to
            indicate whether it is a transponder or a sliceable
            transponder. </div>
        </li>
        <li>
          <div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">Few
            corrections to be coherent with TE topology model.</div>
        </li>
        <li>
          <div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">Reference
            types are taken from TE topology model, so transponder-ref
            becomes tunnel-tp-id. Also node-ref is te-node-id.</div>
        </li>
        <li>
          <div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">Minor
            corrections in some descriptions.</div>
        </li>
        <li>
          <div id="bloop_customfont" style="margin: 0px;">Updated
            references and authors. <br>
          </div>
        </li>
      </ul>
      <p>    If you have any comment, please do not hesitate to send
        them to me. <br>
      </p>
      <p>    Best regards,</p>
      <p>    -Jorge</p>
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              <td>New Version Notification for
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              <td>Mon, 06 Mar 2017 01:03:50 -0800</td>
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              <td>Oscar de Dios <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                Oscar Gonzalez de Dios <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  href="mailto:oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com">&lt;oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com&gt;</a>,
                Gabriele Galimberti <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  href="mailto:ggalimbe@cisco.com">&lt;ggalimbe@cisco.com&gt;</a>,
                Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es">&lt;jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es&gt;</a>,
                Universidad de Madrid <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es">&lt;jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es&gt;</a>,
                Daniel King <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:d.king@lancaster.ac.uk">&lt;d.king@lancaster.ac.uk&gt;</a>,
                Daniel Perdices <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  href="mailto:daniel.perdices@estudiante.uam.es">&lt;daniel.perdices@estudiante.uam.es&gt;</a>,
                Young Lee <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  href="mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com">&lt;leeyoung@huawei.com&gt;</a>,
                Victor Lopezalvarez <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com">&lt;victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com&gt;</a>,
                Victor Lopez <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                  href="mailto:victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com">&lt;victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com&gt;</a></td>
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        <pre>A new version of I-D, draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:		draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang
Revision:	04
Title:		YANG data model for Flexi-Grid Optical Networks
Document date:	2017-03-06
Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		32
URL:            <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt">https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt</a>
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Abstract:
   This document defines a YANG model for managing flexi-grid optical
   Networks. The model described in this document is composed of two
   submodels: one to define a flexi-grid traffic engineering database,
   and other one to describe the flexi-grid paths or media channels.
   It is grounded on other defined YANG abstract models.

                                                                                  


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Hi CCAMP'rs, 

 

Please find our DT meeting agenda and minutes from last week:

 

https://github.com/danielkinguk/transport-nbi/tree/master/Meetings/2017-03-0
1

 

The word file "Transport NBI Meeting Minutes 01-Mar-17.doc" in the directory
above also provides a summary of current open items and areas for continued
discussion. 


We did not have a call today, but will resume discussion next week. There
will also be one more version of the Use Case I-D which will be submitted
before the cut-off deadline. The current in progress version (01), open
issues and discussion/comments is located here:

 

https://github.com/danielkinguk/transport-nbi/tree/master/Internet-Drafts/Us
e-Cases/01

 

BR Dan and Italo.


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Dear CCAMPers,

It's time to start building the agenda for the CCAMP session @IETF 98



Please, keep this in mind:


WG Draft authors are expected to present if there are open issues to discus=
s, or to send status to the list  *1 week* prior to the WG meeting if not p=
resenting. Status includes review of: any recent changes, any open discussi=
ons or issues, and planned next steps.



Agenda Requests:

- To submit a request, please fill the survey at the following link<http://=
www.surveygizmo.com/s3/3415103/IETF-97-CCAMP-sessions-slot-requests-copy>.
- As usual there will be a joint Yang session with MPLS, PCE and TEAS. Plea=
se use the same survey also for all the CCAMP YANG drafts and we will decid=
e with the chairs of those WGs where to present which draft Please note tha=
t the join Yang session will be hosted by the MPLS WG at this time on Frida=
y 9:00-11:30.
- Please fill the survey no later than Tuesday, March 14th.



Presentations:

  If you are presenting slides please make sure you send them to  all *indi=
viduals* listed above (Chairs, Secretary and exclude CCAMP) no later  than =
Sunday, March 26th.



Reminder about a few important dates:

  *   2017-03-13 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all draft=
s, including -00) by UTC 23:59, upload using IETF ID Submission Tool<https:=
//datatracker.ietf.org/submit/>.
  *   2017-03-15 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59,=
 upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool<https://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_proceedings.cgi>.
  *   2017-03-20 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59, =
upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool<https://datatracker.iet=
f.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_proceedings.cgi>.
  *   2017-03-26 - 2017-03-31: IETF 98 in Chicago, IL, USA

Best Regards,

Daniele, Fatai, =D3scar


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lso for all the CCAMP YANG drafts and we will decide
 with the chairs of those WGs where to present which draft Please note that=
 the join Yang session will be hosted by the MPLS WG at this time on Friday=
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Hello again CCAMP,

Is anyone willing to present remotely?

If so please let us know in order to book the Meetecho support

BR
Daniele =20

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> You can also check scheduled remote presentations here:
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : A framework for Management and Control of DWDM optical interface parameters
        Authors         : Ruediger Kunze
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                          Dieter Beller
                          Gabriele Galimberti
	Filename        : draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk-04.txt
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        Title           : Information Model for Wavelength Switched Optical Networks (WSONs) with Impairments Validation
        Authors         : Giovanni Martinelli
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                          Gabriele M. Galimberti
                          Andrea Zanardi
                          Domenico Siracusa
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Hi all,

Attached is feedback from Nokia on the microwave draft model.

Thanks,
jr

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Hi everyone,

the first draft of the CCAMP agenda for IETF98 is now available:

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/agenda/agenda-98-ccamp-00

We received requests for 140 mins while we only have 90 mins available (we =
will ask for 120 mins at IETF99).

PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING:


-          Presentations with allocated time equal to 0  (i.e. 7-8-9) will =
be requested to be given ONLY at the joint YANG session (hosted by MPLS on =
Friday

-          Other YANG related presentations marked with (*) (i.e. 2 and 10)=
 will be requested to be given BOTH at the joint YANG session and the CCAMP=
 session. The reason is that 2 is a WG document while for slot 10 we expect=
 a lot of discussion from the latest email on the list. (authors please con=
sider little time for presentation and more time for discussion)

-          The requests for Beyond 100G drafts have been merged in 2 slots =
of 10 mins each. Authors please focus on framework, requirements and the di=
fferences with the "competing" document. Protocol extensions will be discus=
sed on the list for the time being.

-          Flex Ethernet: there will be a side meeting dedicated to FlexE o=
n Monday afternoon (announcement will be sent separately on the list).

As usual please check that all the requests have been accommodated.

Thanks
Daniele, Fatai, Oscar

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">the first draft of the CCAMP ag=
enda for IETF98 is now available:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org=
/proceedings/98/agenda/agenda-98-ccamp-00">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings=
/98/agenda/agenda-98-ccamp-00</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We received requests for 140 mi=
ns while we only have 90 mins available (we will ask for 120 mins at IETF99=
).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u><span lang=3D"EN-US">PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING=
</span></u></b><span lang=3D"EN-US">:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Agenda updated to accommodate latest requests

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/agenda/agenda-98-ccamp-01

Thanks
Daniele, Fatai, Oscar


From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: mercoled=EC 15 marzo 2017 15:52
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: [CCAMP] IETF98 - CCAMP Agenda

Hi everyone,

the first draft of the CCAMP agenda for IETF98 is now available:

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/agenda/agenda-98-ccamp-00

We received requests for 140 mins while we only have 90 mins available (we =
will ask for 120 mins at IETF99).

PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING:


-          Presentations with allocated time equal to 0  (i.e. 7-8-9) will =
be requested to be given ONLY at the joint YANG session (hosted by MPLS on =
Friday

-          Other YANG related presentations marked with (*) (i.e. 2 and 10)=
 will be requested to be given BOTH at the joint YANG session and the CCAMP=
 session. The reason is that 2 is a WG document while for slot 10 we expect=
 a lot of discussion from the latest email on the list. (authors please con=
sider little time for presentation and more time for discussion)

-          The requests for Beyond 100G drafts have been merged in 2 slots =
of 10 mins each. Authors please focus on framework, requirements and the di=
fferences with the "competing" document. Protocol extensions will be discus=
sed on the list for the time being.

-          Flex Ethernet: there will be a side meeting dedicated to FlexE o=
n Monday afternoon (announcement will be sent separately on the list).

As usual please check that all the requests have been accommodated.

Thanks
Daniele, Fatai, Oscar

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Agenda updated to accommodate l=
atest requests<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org=
/proceedings/98/agenda/agenda-98-ccamp-01">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings=
/98/agenda/agenda-98-ccamp-01</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Daniele, Fatai, Oscar<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-languag=
e:IT">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:IT=
"> CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniele Ceccarelli<br>
<b>Sent:</b> mercoled=EC 15 marzo 2017 15:52<br>
<b>To:</b> CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) &lt;ccamp@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CCAMP] IETF98 - CCAMP Agenda<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">the first draft of the CCAMP ag=
enda for IETF98 is now available:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org=
/proceedings/98/agenda/agenda-98-ccamp-00">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings=
/98/agenda/agenda-98-ccamp-00</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We received requests for 140 mi=
ns while we only have 90 mins available (we will ask for 120 mins at IETF99=
).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><u><span lang=3D"EN-US">PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING=
</span></u></b><span lang=3D"EN-US">:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Presentations with allo=
cated time equal to 0 &nbsp;(i.e. 7-8-9) will be requested to be given
<b>ONLY</b> at the joint YANG session (hosted by MPLS on Friday<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
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;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Other YANG related pres=
entations marked with (*) (i.e. 2 and 10) will be requested to be given
<b>BOTH</b> at the joint YANG session and the CCAMP session. The reason is =
that 2 is a WG document while for slot 10 we expect a lot of discussion fro=
m the latest email on the list. (authors please consider little time for pr=
esentation and more time for discussion)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
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;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">The requests for Beyond=
 100G drafts have been merged in 2 slots of 10 mins each. Authors please fo=
cus on framework, requirements and the differences with the &#8220;competin=
g&#8221; document. Protocol extensions will be
 discussed on the list for the time being.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Flex Ethernet: there wi=
ll be a side meeting dedicated to FlexE on Monday afternoon (announcement w=
ill be sent separately on the list).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">As usual please check that all =
the requests have been accommodated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Daniele, Fatai, Oscar<o:p></o:p=
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Fatai,

Your are right, tnx!

The address expansion in THunderbird played me at trick, it was not only
CCAMP I missed, but MPLS also :(. Copied now.

/Loa

On 2017-03-17 09:28, Fatai Zhang wrote:
> Hi Loa,
>
> Thanks for your effort.
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> I think you missed the leading actor: CCAMP WG, :-).
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> Forwarded to CCAMP as well.
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> Thanks
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> ÊÕ¼þÈË: draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org; pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG; routing-discussion@ietf.org
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> Ö÷Ìâ: [Teas] FlexE side meeting on Monday 17, at 18.30 - 20.00
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> Folks,
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> On Monday March 27 in Zurich B , there will be a FlexE side meeting from 18:30-20:00. The meeting will be chaired bt Daniele Ceccarelli and Nic Leyman. The initiative for this meeting were taken within the group that works on a FlexE Framework document (draft-izh-ccamp- flexe-fwk), and has been sponsored by Deborah Brungard and the ccamp working group co-chairs.
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> The intent is to bring people up to speed on the FlexE technology and try to understand what work will be appropriate to do in the IETF.
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> The agenda will be:
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> 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng
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> 4. Open Mic
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> Each presentation is panned to last 20 min, and the Open Mic 30 min.
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> /Daniele, Fatai and Loa
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Loa Andersson                        email: loa@mail01.huawei.com
Senior MPLS Expert                          loa@pi.nu
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi, Jorge,=
 Dieter and All,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I shared t=
he same comment with Dieter, ccamp draft should focus on control plane, and=
 it would be appreciated if YANG draft is consistent with
 existing GMPLS extension drafts for flexi-grid (RFC 7698, 7699, etc.). <o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I would li=
ke to raise another comment, about the augmentation relationship. It is not=
ed that a separate module has been defined for the so-called
 media channel, which is assumed to be flexi-grid tunnel if I understand co=
rrectly. By reading the YANG model, my intuitive idea is that this module c=
an be obtained by augmenting to TE tunnel model, rather than a purely new o=
ne. It would be easier for the tunnel
 representation, and get better connection with the current YANG models in =
IETF. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Any ideas =
on this? Thank you very much.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best wishe=
s,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Haomian<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">=
=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"> CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@i=
etf.org]
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=
=C5=BA=DA&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">=B4=FA=B1=ED
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">Di=
eter Beller<br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=
=C5=BA=DA&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=
=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"> 2017</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;=CE=A2=C8=ED=D1=C5=BA=DA&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;c=
olor:windowtext">=C4=EA<span lang=3D"EN-US">3</span>=D4=C2<span lang=3D"EN-=
US">7</span>=C8=D5<span lang=3D"EN-US">
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</span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"> Jorge E. L</span>=A8=AE<span lang=3D"EN-US">pez de Vergara M</span>=
=A8=A6<span lang=3D"EN-US">ndez; ccamp@ietf.org<br>
</span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> Re: [CCAMP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigr=
id-yang-04.txt<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
Hi Jorge, all,<br>
<br>
I read the 04-revision of the draft and I have some major concerns regardin=
g the modeling of optical transponders: the draft<br>
defines models for the following two transponder types: flexi-grid-transpon=
der and flexi-grid-sliceable-transponder.<br>
<br>
By doing so, the draft tries to define a data plane standard, which is clea=
rly outside the scope of CCAMP (we had this kind of<br>
discussion many times in the past). Please note that </span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US"><a href=3D"http://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D10=
396">ITU-T Recommendation G.698.2</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US"> defines a=
pplication codes and OpenConfig<br>
is following a similar approach as opposed to define an exhaustive list of =
transponder attributes (the attribute list in the draft is<br>
b.t.w. incomplete and does not guarantee interoperability). The </span><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://github.com/openconfig/public/tree/maste=
r/release/models/optical-transport">OpenConfig terminal-device YANG model</=
a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US"> defines
 a single<br>
operational-mode attribute for the optical-channel as defined below: <br>
<br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; leaf operational-mode {</span></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; type uint16;=
</span></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Courier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; description<=
/span></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Courier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&quot;Vendor-specific mode identifier -- sets the operational</span></tt><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&=
quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
mode for the channel.&nbsp; The specified operational mode must</span></tt>=
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier Ne=
w&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
exist in the list of supported operational modes supplied</span></tt><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
by the device&quot;;</span></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }</span></tt><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><=
br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;--rw optical-channel</spa=
n></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;--rw co=
nfig</span></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Courier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43=
;--rw frequency?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; oc-opt-types:frequency-type</span></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43=
;--rw target-output-power?&nbsp;&nbsp; decimal64</span></tt><span lang=3D"E=
N-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43=
;--rw operational-mode?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; uint16</span></tt><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&q=
uot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43=
;--rw line-port?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; -&gt; /oc-platform:components/component/name</span></tt><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quo=
t;"><br>
<br>
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>
This is similar to the application code approach. Two transponders are cons=
idered&nbsp; interoperable if they have at least one<br>
operational-mode in common. I strongly suggest that we follow a similar app=
roach in CCAMP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center">
</span></div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>
Excerpts from draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt:<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">flexi-grid-transponder<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; augment /nd:networks/nd:network/nd:n=
ode/tet:te/<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; tet:tunnel-termination-point:<o:p></=
o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;--rw transpon=
der-type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; flexi-=
grid-transponder-type<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;--rw config<o=
:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43;--rw =
available-modulation*&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43;--rw =
modulation-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o:p><=
/o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43;--rw =
available-FEC*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FEC<o:=
p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43;--rw =
FEC-enabled?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; boolean<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43;--rw =
FEC-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;--ro state<o:=
p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&#43;--ro available-modulation*&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o:p></o:p></span></p=
re>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&#43;--ro modulation-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; modula=
tion<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&#43;--ro available-FEC*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&#43;--ro FEC-enabled?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; boolean<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&#43;--ro FEC-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">flexi-grid-<b>sliceable</b>-transponder<o:p></o:p=
></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; augment /nd:networks/nd:network/nd:n=
ode/tet:te/<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; tet:tunnel-termination-point:<o:p></=
o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;--rw transpon=
der-type&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; flexi-=
grid-transponder-type<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;--rw config<o=
:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43;--rw =
available-modulation*&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp; &#43;--rw =
modulation-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o:p><=
/o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43;--rw =
available-FEC*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FEC<o:=
p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43;--rw =
FEC-enabled?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; boolean<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43;--rw =
FEC-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &#43;--rw =
transponder-list* [carrier-id]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; &#43;--rw carrier-id&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; uint32<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;--ro state<o:=
p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&#43;--ro available-modulation*&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o:p></o:p></span></p=
re>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&#43;--ro modulation-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; modula=
tion<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&#43;--ro available-FEC*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&#43;--ro FEC-enabled?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp; boolean<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&#43;--ro FEC-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&#43;--ro transponder-list* [carrier-id]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;--ro carrier-id&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; uint32<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Dieter<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On 06.03.2017 16:18, Jorge E. L=
=A8=AEpez de Vergara M=A8=A6ndez wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dear all, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Please find below a new draft of=
 the Flexigrid YANG model. In this new version some changes have been made,=
 according to previous received feedback:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Now both models are updated to YANG 1.1.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></li></ul>
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont">
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">State containers in the tree structure are now read-on=
ly.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
</div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">&quot;Transponder&quot; does not augment &quot;node&qu=
ot; anymore. Flexi-grid-node is the only structure playing this role in the=
 model. Therefore, node-type was eliminated.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont">
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">&quot;Transponder&quot; augments &quot;tunnel-terminat=
ion-point&quot;. Since this structure does not have state or config subdivi=
sion, we have added config and state containers. Transponder-type is includ=
ed to indicate whether it is a transponder or a sliceable
 transponder.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
</div>
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont">
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Few corrections to be coherent with TE topology model.=
<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
</div>
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont">
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Reference types are taken from TE topology model, so t=
ransponder-ref becomes tunnel-tp-id. Also node-ref is te-node-id.<o:p></o:p=
></span></li></ul>
</div>
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont">
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Minor corrections in some descriptions.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></li></ul>
</div>
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont">
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Updated references and authors. <o:p></o:p></span></li=
></ul>
</div>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you have any comment, please =
do not hesitate to send them to me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -Jorge<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>
<br>
-------- Mensaje reenviado -------- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">New Version Notification for dr=
aft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Mon, 06 Mar 2017 01:03:50 -0800=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:internet-draf=
ts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Oscar de Dios </span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com">&lt;oscar=
.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US">, Oscar G=
onzalez de Dios
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefoni=
ca.com">&lt;oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D=
"EN-US">, Gabriele Galimberti
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:ggalimbe@cisco.com">&lt;ggali=
mbe@cisco.com&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US">, Jorge E. Lopez de Vergar=
a
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es">&=
lt;jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US">, Universi=
dad de Madrid
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es">&=
lt;jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US">, Daniel K=
ing
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:d.king@lancaster.ac.uk">&lt;d=
.king@lancaster.ac.uk&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US">, Daniel Perdices
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:daniel.perdices@estudiante.ua=
m.es">&lt;daniel.perdices@estudiante.uam.es&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">, Young Lee
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com">&lt;leey=
oung@huawei.com&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US">, Victor Lopezalvarez
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:victor.lopezalvarez@telefonic=
a.com">&lt;victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US">, Victor Lopez
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   Hi,

   Thank you for your comments. We are considering them for next version of t=
he draft.

   Best regards,

   -Jorge

> El 20 mar 2017, a las 2:37, Zhenghaomian <zhenghaomian@huawei.com> escribi=
=C3=B3:
>=20
> Hi, Jorge, Dieter and All,
> =20
> I shared the same comment with Dieter, ccamp draft should focus on control=
 plane, and it would be appreciated if YANG draft is consistent with existin=
g GMPLS extension drafts for flexi-grid (RFC 7698, 7699, etc.).
> =20
> I would like to raise another comment, about the augmentation relationship=
. It is noted that a separate module has been defined for the so-called medi=
a channel, which is assumed to be flexi-grid tunnel if I understand correctl=
y. By reading the YANG model, my intuitive idea is that this module can be o=
btained by augmenting to TE tunnel model, rather than a purely new one. It w=
ould be easier for the tunnel representation, and get better connection with=
 the current YANG models in IETF.
> =20
> Any ideas on this? Thank you very much.
> =20
> Best wishes,
> Haomian
> =20
> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=
=E8=A1=A8 Dieter Beller
> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5 23=
:52
> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Jorge E. L=C3=B3pez de Vergara M=C3=A9ndez; c=
camp@ietf.org
> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [CCAMP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ve=
rgara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt
> =20
> Hi Jorge, all,
>=20
> I read the 04-revision of the draft and I have some major concerns regardi=
ng the modeling of optical transponders: the draft
> defines models for the following two transponder types: flexi-grid-transpo=
nder and flexi-grid-sliceable-transponder.
>=20
> By doing so, the draft tries to define a data plane standard, which is cle=
arly outside the scope of CCAMP (we had this kind of
> discussion many times in the past). Please note that ITU-T Recommendation G=
.698.2 defines application codes and OpenConfig
> is following a similar approach as opposed to define an exhaustive list of=
 transponder attributes (the attribute list in the draft is
> b.t.w. incomplete and does not guarantee interoperability). The OpenConfig=
 terminal-device YANG model defines a single
> operational-mode attribute for the optical-channel as defined below:=20
>=20
>     leaf operational-mode {
>       type uint16;
>       description
>         "Vendor-specific mode identifier -- sets the operational
>         mode for the channel.  The specified operational mode must
>         exist in the list of supported operational modes supplied
>         by the device";
>     }
>=20
>=20
>=20
>    +--rw optical-channel
>       +--rw config
>       |  +--rw frequency?             oc-opt-types:frequency-type
>       |  +--rw target-output-power?   decimal64
>       |  +--rw operational-mode?      uint16
>       |  +--rw line-port?             -> /oc-platform:components/component=
/name
>=20
>=20
> This is similar to the application code approach. Two transponders are con=
sidered  interoperable if they have at least one
> operational-mode in common. I strongly suggest that we follow a similar ap=
proach in CCAMP.
>=20
>=20
> Excerpts from draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt:
> flexi-grid-transponder
>    augment /nd:networks/nd:network/nd:node/tet:te/
>    tet:tunnel-termination-point:
>       +--rw transponder-type           flexi-grid-transponder-type
>       +--rw config
>       |  +--rw available-modulation*   modulation
>       |  +--rw modulation-type?        modulation
>       |  +--rw available-FEC*          FEC
>       |  +--rw FEC-enabled?            boolean
>       |  +--rw FEC-type?               FEC
>       +--ro state
>          +--ro available-modulation*   modulation
>          +--ro modulation-type?        modulation
>          +--ro available-FEC*          FEC
>          +--ro FEC-enabled?            boolean
>          +--ro FEC-type?               FEC
> =20
> flexi-grid-sliceable-transponder
>    augment /nd:networks/nd:network/nd:node/tet:te/
>    tet:tunnel-termination-point:
>       +--rw transponder-type           flexi-grid-transponder-type
>       +--rw config
>       |  +--rw available-modulation*   modulation
>       |  +--rw modulation-type?        modulation
>       |  +--rw available-FEC*          FEC
>       |  +--rw FEC-enabled?            boolean
>       |  +--rw FEC-type?               FEC
>       |  +--rw transponder-list* [carrier-id]
>       |     +--rw carrier-id           uint32
>       +--ro state
>          +--ro available-modulation*   modulation
>          +--ro modulation-type?        modulation
>          +--ro available-FEC*          FEC
>          +--ro FEC-enabled?            boolean
>          +--ro FEC-type?               FEC
>          +--ro transponder-list* [carrier-id]
>             +--ro carrier-id           uint32
>=20
>=20
> Thanks,
> Dieter
>=20
>=20
> On 06.03.2017 16:18, Jorge E. L=C3=B3pez de Vergara M=C3=A9ndez wrote:
>     Dear all,
>=20
>     Please find below a new draft of the Flexigrid YANG model. In this new=
 version some changes have been made, according to previous received feedbac=
k:
>=20
> Now both models are updated to YANG 1.1.
> State containers in the tree structure are now read-only.
> "Transponder" does not augment "node" anymore. Flexi-grid-node is the only=
 structure playing this role in the model. Therefore, node-type was eliminat=
ed.
> "Transponder" augments "tunnel-termination-point". Since this structure do=
es not have state or config subdivision, we have added config and state cont=
ainers. Transponder-type is included to indicate whether it is a transponder=
 or a sliceable transponder.=20
> Few corrections to be coherent with TE topology model.
> Reference types are taken from TE topology model, so transponder-ref becom=
es tunnel-tp-id. Also node-ref is te-node-id.
> Minor corrections in some descriptions.
> Updated references and authors.
>     If you have any comment, please do not hesitate to send them to me.
>=20
>     Best regards,
>=20
>     -Jorge
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -------- Mensaje reenviado --------
> Asunto:
> New Version Notification for draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt
> Fecha:
> Mon, 06 Mar 2017 01:03:50 -0800
> De:
> internet-drafts@ietf.org
> Para:
> Oscar de Dios <oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com>, Oscar Gonzalez de Dio=
s <oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com>, Gabriele Galimberti <ggalimbe@cisco=
.com>, Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara <jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es>, Universidad d=
e Madrid <jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es>, Daniel King <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>,=
 Daniel Perdices <daniel.perdices@estudiante.uam.es>, Young Lee <leeyoung@hu=
awei.com>, Victor Lopezalvarez <victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com>, Victor L=
opez <victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com>
> =20
>=20
> A new version of I-D, draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt
> has been successfully submitted by Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara and posted to=
 the
> IETF repository.
> =20
> Name:            draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang
> Revision: 04
> Title:           YANG data model for Flexi-Grid Optical Networks
> Document date:   2017-03-06
> Group:           Individual Submission
> Pages:           32
> URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vergara-ccamp-f=
lexigrid-yang-04.txt
> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexi=
grid-yang/
> Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-=
yang-04
> Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-vergara-ccamp-fl=
exigrid-yang-04
> =20
> Abstract:
>    This document defines a YANG model for managing flexi-grid optical
>    Networks. The model described in this document is composed of two
>    submodels: one to define a flexi-grid traffic engineering database,
>    and other one to describe the flexi-grid paths or media channels.
>    It is grounded on other defined YANG abstract models.
> =20
>                                                                           =
       =20
> =20
> =20
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<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi, Jorge, D=
ieter and All,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I shared the=
 same comment with Dieter, ccamp draft should focus on control plane, and it=
 would be appreciated if YANG draft is consistent with
 existing GMPLS extension drafts for flexi-grid (RFC 7698, 7699, etc.). <o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I would like=
 to raise another comment, about the augmentation relationship. It is noted t=
hat a separate module has been defined for the so-called
 media channel, which is assumed to be flexi-grid tunnel if I understand cor=
rectly. By reading the YANG model, my intuitive idea is that this module can=
 be obtained by augmenting to TE tunnel model, rather than a purely new one.=
 It would be easier for the tunnel
 representation, and get better connection with the current YANG models in I=
ETF. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Any ideas on=
 this? Thank you very much.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best wishes,=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Haomian<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0=
cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
=E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:wind=
owtext">=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=E5=BE=AE=E8=
=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"> CCA=
MP [<a href=3D"mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org<=
/a>]
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=
=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">=E4=BB=A3=E8=
=A1=A8
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
=E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:wind=
owtext">Dieter Beller<br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=
=E9=9B=85=E9=BB=91&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">=E5=8F=91=E9=
=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=
=85=E9=BB=91&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"> 2017</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=E5=BE=AE=E8=BD=AF=E9=9B=85=E9=
=BB=91&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">=E5=B9=B4<span lang=3D=
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"EN-US">
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</span><b>=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US"> Jorge E. L</span>=C3=B3<span lang=3D"EN-US">pez de Vergara M<=
/span>=C3=A9<span lang=3D"EN-US">ndez; <a href=3D"mailto:ccamp@ietf.org">cca=
mp@ietf.org</a><br>
</span><b>=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"E=
N-US"> Re: [CCAMP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vergara-ccamp-fle=
xigrid-yang-04.txt<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">H=
i Jorge, all,<br>
<br>
I read the 04-revision of the draft and I have some major concerns regarding=
 the modeling of optical transponders: the draft<br>
defines models for the following two transponder types: flexi-grid-transpond=
er and flexi-grid-sliceable-transponder.<br>
<br>
By doing so, the draft tries to define a data plane standard, which is clear=
ly outside the scope of CCAMP (we had this kind of<br>
discussion many times in the past). Please note that </span><span lang=3D"EN=
-US"><a href=3D"http://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=3D1039=
6">ITU-T Recommendation G.698.2</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US"> defines appl=
ication codes and OpenConfig<br>
is following a similar approach as opposed to define an exhaustive list of t=
ransponder attributes (the attribute list in the draft is<br>
b.t.w. incomplete and does not guarantee interoperability). The </span><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://github.com/openconfig/public/tree/master/=
release/models/optical-transport">OpenConfig terminal-device YANG model</a><=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-US"> defines
 a single<br>
operational-mode attribute for the optical-channel as defined below: <br>
<br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; leaf operational-mode {</span></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; type uint16;<=
/span></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Courier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; description</=
span></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;C=
ourier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "=
Vendor-specific mode identifier -- sets the operational</span></tt><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><=
br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; m=
ode for the channel.&nbsp; The specified operational mode must</span></tt><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&q=
uot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; e=
xist in the list of supported operational modes supplied</span></tt><span la=
ng=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
<br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; b=
y the device";</span></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; }</span></tt><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; +--rw optical-channel</span></t=
t><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier N=
ew&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +--rw config<=
/span></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Courier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw=
 frequency?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; oc-opt-types:frequency-type</span></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw=
 target-output-power?&nbsp;&nbsp; decimal64</span></tt><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw=
 operational-mode?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; uint16</span></tt><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><=
br>
</span><tt><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw=
 line-port?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; -&gt; /oc-platform:components/component/name</span></tt><span lang=3D=
"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><br>
<br>
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>
This is similar to the application code approach. Two transponders are consi=
dered&nbsp; interoperable if they have at least one<br>
operational-mode in common. I strongly suggest that we follow a similar appr=
oach in CCAMP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center">
</span></div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>
Excerpts from draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt:<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">flexi-grid-transponder<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; augment /nd:networks/nd:network/nd:no=
de/tet:te/<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; tet:tunnel-termination-point:<o:p></o=
:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +--rw transponder-t=
ype&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; flexi-grid-t=
ransponder-type<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +--rw config<o:p></=
o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw avail=
able-modulation*&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw modul=
ation-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o:p></o:p><=
/span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw avail=
able-FEC*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FEC<o:p></o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw FEC-e=
nabled?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; bo=
olean<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw FEC-t=
ype?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 &nbsp;&nbsp;FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +--ro state<o:p></o=
:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +=
--ro available-modulation*&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +=
--ro modulation-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o=
:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +=
--ro available-FEC*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FE=
C<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +=
--ro FEC-enabled?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; boolean<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +=
--ro FEC-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">flexi-grid-<b>sliceable</b>-transponder<o:p></o:p>=
</span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; augment /nd:networks/nd:network/nd:no=
de/tet:te/<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; tet:tunnel-termination-point:<o:p></o=
:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +--rw transponder-t=
ype&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; flexi-grid-t=
ransponder-type<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +--rw config<o:p></=
o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw avail=
able-modulation*&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;|&nbsp; +--rw modul=
ation-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o:p></o:p><=
/span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw avail=
able-FEC*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FEC<o:p></o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw FEC-e=
nabled?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; bo=
olean<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw FEC-t=
ype?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; +--rw trans=
ponder-list* [carrier-id]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; +--rw carrier-id&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; uint32<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +--ro state<o:p></o=
:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +=
--ro available-modulation*&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +=
--ro modulation-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; modulation<o=
:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +=
--ro available-FEC*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FE=
C<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +=
--ro FEC-enabled?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; boolean<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +=
--ro FEC-type?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +=
--ro transponder-list* [carrier-id]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +--ro carrier-id&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; uint32<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><=
br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Dieter<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On 06.03.2017 16:18, Jorge E. L=C3=
=B3pez de Vergara M=C3=A9ndez wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dear all, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Please find below a new draft of t=
he Flexigrid YANG model. In this new version some changes have been made, ac=
cording to previous received feedback:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Now both models are updated to YANG 1.1.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></li></ul>
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont">
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">State containers in the tree structure are now read-onl=
y.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
</div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">"Transponder" does not augment "node" anymore. Flexi-gr=
id-node is the only structure playing this role in the model. Therefore, nod=
e-type was eliminated.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont">
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">"Transponder" augments "tunnel-termination-point". Sinc=
e this structure does not have state or config subdivision, we have added co=
nfig and state containers. Transponder-type is included to indicate whether i=
t is a transponder or a sliceable
 transponder.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
</div>
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont">
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Few corrections to be coherent with TE topology model.<=
o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
</div>
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont">
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Reference types are taken from TE topology model, so tr=
ansponder-ref becomes tunnel-tp-id. Also node-ref is te-node-id.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></li></ul>
</div>
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont">
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Minor corrections in some descriptions.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></li></ul>
</div>
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont">
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Updated references and authors. <o:p></o:p></span></li>=
</ul>
</div>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you have any comment, please d=
o not hesitate to send them to me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -Jorge<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>
<br>
-------- Mensaje reenviado -------- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"right" style=3D"text-align:right"><b><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US">Asunto:
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
</td>
<td style=3D"padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">New Version Notification for dra=
ft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"top" style=3D"padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"right" style=3D"text-align:right"><b><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US">Fecha:
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<td style=3D"padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Mon, 06 Mar 2017 01:03:50 -0800<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ang=3D"EN-US">De:
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<td style=3D"padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:internet-draft=
s@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
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ang=3D"EN-US">Para:
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<td style=3D"padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Oscar de Dios </span><span lang=3D=
"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com">&lt;oscar.gon=
zalezdedios@telefonica.com&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US">, Oscar Gonzal=
ez de Dios
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonic=
a.com">&lt;oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"E=
N-US">, Gabriele Galimberti
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:ggalimbe@cisco.com">&lt;ggalim=
be@cisco.com&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US">, Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es">&l=
t;jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US">, Universida=
d de Madrid
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es">&l=
t;jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US">, Daniel Kin=
g
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:d.king@lancaster.ac.uk">&lt;d.=
king@lancaster.ac.uk&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US">, Daniel Perdices
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:daniel.perdices@estudiante.uam=
.es">&lt;daniel.perdices@estudiante.uam.es&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US=
">, Young Lee
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com">&lt;leeyo=
ung@huawei.com&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-US">, Victor Lopezalvarez
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica=
.com">&lt;victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">, Victor Lopez
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica=
.com">&lt;victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com&gt;</a></span><span lang=3D"EN-=
US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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d-yang-04.txt<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">has been successfully submitted by Jorge E. Lopez d=
e Vergara and posted to the<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">IETF repository.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Name:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang<o:p></o:p></span></=
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<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Revision: 04<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Title:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; YANG data model for Flexi-Grid Optical Networks<o:p></o:p><=
/span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Document date:&nbsp;&nbsp; 2017-03-06<o:p></o:p></=
span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Group:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Individual Submission<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">URL:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-v=
ergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt">https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/dra=
ft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Status:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexig=
rid-yang/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-ya=
ng/</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Diff:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-vergara=
-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-vergara-=
ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Abstract:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; This document defines a YANG model fo=
r managing flexi-grid optical<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; Networks. The model described in this=
 document is composed of two<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; submodels: one to define a flexi-grid=
 traffic engineering database,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; and other one to describe the flexi-g=
rid paths or media channels.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;&nbsp; It is grounded on other defined YANG a=
bstract models.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">The IETF Secretariat<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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    <font face="Tahoma">Hi Jorge, Haomian, all<br>
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      I concur with the comment that augmenting the TE tunnel model
      should be considered for L0 services/connections as opposed to
      define a new<br>
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      Thanks,<br>
      Dieter<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21.03.2017 08:04, "Jorge E. LÃ³pez de
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        El 20 mar 2017, a las 2:37, Zhenghaomian &lt;<a
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-US">Hi, Jorge, Dieter and All,
                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-US">I shared the same comment with Dieter,
                ccamp draft should focus on control plane, and it would
                be appreciated if YANG draft is consistent with existing
                GMPLS extension drafts for flexi-grid (RFC 7698, 7699,
                etc.). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-US">I would like to raise another comment,
                about the augmentation relationship. It is noted that a
                separate module has been defined for the so-called media
                channel, which is assumed to be flexi-grid tunnel if I
                understand correctly. By reading the YANG model, my
                intuitive idea is that this module can be obtained by
                augmenting to TE tunnel model, rather than a purely new
                one. It would be easier for the tunnel representation,
                and get better connection with the current YANG models
                in IETF. <o:p>
                </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-US">Any ideas on this? Thank you very much.
                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-US">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-US">Haomian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;å¾®è½¯é›…é»‘&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">å‘ä»¶äºº<span
                        lang="EN-US">:</span></span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;å¾®è½¯é›…é»‘&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"
                    lang="EN-US"> CCAMP [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
                  </span><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;å¾®è½¯é›…é»‘&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">ä»£è¡¨
                    </span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;å¾®è½¯é›…é»‘&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"
                    lang="EN-US">Dieter Beller<br>
                  </span><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;å¾®è½¯é›…é»‘&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">å‘é€æ—¶é—´<span
                        lang="EN-US">:</span></span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;å¾®è½¯é›…é»‘&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"
                    lang="EN-US"> 2017</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;å¾®è½¯é›…é»‘&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">å¹´<span
                      lang="EN-US">3</span>æœˆ<span lang="EN-US">7</span>æ—¥<span
                      lang="EN-US"> 23:52<br>
                    </span><b>æ”¶ä»¶äºº<span lang="EN-US">:</span></b><span
                      lang="EN-US"> Jorge E. L</span>Ã³<span lang="EN-US">pez
                      de Vergara M</span>Ã©<span lang="EN-US">ndez; <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:ccamp@ietf.org">ccamp@ietf.org</a><br>
                    </span><b>ä¸»é¢˜<span lang="EN-US">:</span></b><span
                      lang="EN-US"> Re: [CCAMP] Fwd: New Version
                      Notification for
                      draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
              </div>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                lang="EN-US">Hi Jorge, all,<br>
                <br>
                I read the 04-revision of the draft and I have some
                major concerns regarding the modeling of optical
                transponders: the draft<br>
                defines models for the following two transponder types:
                flexi-grid-transponder and
                flexi-grid-sliceable-transponder.<br>
                <br>
                By doing so, the draft tries to define a data plane
                standard, which is clearly outside the scope of CCAMP
                (we had this kind of<br>
                discussion many times in the past). Please note that </span><span
                lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.itu.int/itu-t/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=10396">ITU-T
                  Recommendation G.698.2</a></span><span lang="EN-US">
                defines application codes and OpenConfig<br>
                is following a similar approach as opposed to define an
                exhaustive list of transponder attributes (the attribute
                list in the draft is<br>
                b.t.w. incomplete and does not guarantee
                interoperability). The </span><span lang="EN-US"><a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/openconfig/public/tree/master/release/models/optical-transport">OpenConfig
                  terminal-device YANG model</a></span><span
                lang="EN-US"> defines a single<br>
                operational-mode attribute for the optical-channel as
                defined below: <br>
                <br>
              </span><tt><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-US">Â Â Â 
                  leaf operational-mode {</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
              </span><tt><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  type uint16;</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
              </span><tt><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  description</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
              </span><tt><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  "Vendor-specific
                  mode identifier -- sets the operational</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
              </span><tt><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  mode for the
                  channel.Â  The specified operational mode must</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
              </span><tt><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  exist in the list of
                  supported operational modes supplied</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
              </span><tt><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  by the device";</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
              </span><tt><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â  }</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
              </span><tt><span lang="EN-US">Â Â  +--rw optical-channel</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
              </span><tt><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  +--rw config</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
              </span><tt><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw
                  frequency?Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  oc-opt-types:frequency-type</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
              </span><tt><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw
                  target-output-power?Â Â  decimal64</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
              </span><tt><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw
                  operational-mode?Â Â Â Â Â  uint16</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
              </span><tt><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw
                  line-port?Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  -&gt;
                  /oc-platform:components/component/name</span></tt><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier
                New&quot;" lang="EN-US"><br>
                <br>
              </span><span lang="EN-US"><br>
                This is similar to the application code approach. Two
                transponders are consideredÂ  interoperable if they have
                at least one<br>
                operational-mode in common. I strongly suggest that we
                follow a similar approach in CCAMP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
              align="center"><span lang="EN-US">
                <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%">
              </span></div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br>
                Excerpts from draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">flexi-grid-transponder<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â  augment /nd:networks/nd:network/nd:node/tet:te/<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â  tet:tunnel-termination-point:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  +--rw transponder-typeÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  flexi-grid-transponder-type<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  +--rw config<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw available-modulation*Â Â  modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw modulation-type?Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw available-FEC*Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw FEC-enabled?Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  boolean<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw FEC-type?Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro state<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro available-modulation*Â Â  modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro modulation-type?Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro available-FEC*Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro FEC-enabled?Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  boolean<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro FEC-type?Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">flexi-grid-<b>sliceable</b>-transponder<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â  augment /nd:networks/nd:network/nd:node/tet:te/<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â  tet:tunnel-termination-point:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  +--rw transponder-typeÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  flexi-grid-transponder-type<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  +--rw config<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw available-modulation*Â Â  modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US"> Â Â Â Â Â |Â  +--rw modulation-type?Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw available-FEC*Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw FEC-enabled?Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  boolean<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw FEC-type?Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â  +--rw transponder-list* [carrier-id]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  |Â Â Â Â  +--rw carrier-idÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  uint32<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro state<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro available-modulation*Â Â  modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro modulation-type?Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  modulation<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro available-FEC*Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro FEC-enabled?Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  boolean<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro FEC-type?Â Â Â Â Â  Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â FEC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro transponder-list* [carrier-id]<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <pre><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  +--ro carrier-idÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  uint32<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                lang="EN-US"><br>
                <br>
                Thanks,<br>
                Dieter<br>
                <br>
                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 06.03.2017
                  16:18, Jorge E. LÃ³pez de Vergara MÃ©ndez wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <p><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â  Dear all, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â  Please find below a new draft of
                  the Flexigrid YANG model. In this new version some
                  changes have been made, according to previous received
                  feedback:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <ul type="disc">
                <li class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
                  level1 lfo3">
                  <span lang="EN-US">Now both models are updated to YANG
                    1.1.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
              </ul>
              <div id="bloop_customfont">
                <ul type="disc">
                  <li class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
                    level1 lfo3">
                    <span lang="EN-US">State containers in the tree
                      structure are now read-only.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                </ul>
              </div>
              <ul type="disc">
                <li class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
                  level1 lfo3">
                  <span lang="EN-US">"Transponder" does not augment
                    "node" anymore. Flexi-grid-node is the only
                    structure playing this role in the model. Therefore,
                    node-type was eliminated.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
              </ul>
              <div id="bloop_customfont">
                <ul type="disc">
                  <li class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
                    level1 lfo3">
                    <span lang="EN-US">"Transponder" augments
                      "tunnel-termination-point". Since this structure
                      does not have state or config subdivision, we have
                      added config and state containers.
                      Transponder-type is included to indicate whether
                      it is a transponder or a sliceable transponder.Â <o:p></o:p></span></li>
                </ul>
              </div>
              <div id="bloop_customfont">
                <ul type="disc">
                  <li class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
                    level1 lfo3">
                    <span lang="EN-US">Few corrections to be coherent
                      with TE topology model.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                </ul>
              </div>
              <div id="bloop_customfont">
                <ul type="disc">
                  <li class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
                    level1 lfo3">
                    <span lang="EN-US">Reference types are taken from TE
                      topology model, so transponder-ref becomes
                      tunnel-tp-id. Also node-ref is te-node-id.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                </ul>
              </div>
              <div id="bloop_customfont">
                <ul type="disc">
                  <li class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
                    level1 lfo3">
                    <span lang="EN-US">Minor corrections in some
                      descriptions.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
                </ul>
              </div>
              <div id="bloop_customfont">
                <ul type="disc">
                  <li class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3
                    level1 lfo3">
                    <span lang="EN-US">Updated references and authors. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
                </ul>
              </div>
              <p><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â  If you have any comment, please
                  do not hesitate to send them to me.
                  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â  Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p><span lang="EN-US">Â Â Â  -Jorge<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br>
                    <br>
                    -------- Mensaje reenviado -------- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0"
                  cellspacing="0">
                  <tbody>
                    <tr>
                      <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"
                        nowrap="nowrap" valign="top">
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
                          align="right"><b><span lang="EN-US">Asunto:
                              <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
                      </td>
                      <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">New
                            Version Notification for
                            draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                      <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"
                        nowrap="nowrap" valign="top">
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
                          align="right"><b><span lang="EN-US">Fecha:
                              <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
                      </td>
                      <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Mon, 06
                            Mar 2017 01:03:50 -0800<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                      <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"
                        nowrap="nowrap" valign="top">
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
                          align="right"><b><span lang="EN-US">De:
                              <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
                      </td>
                      <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a></span><span
                            lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </td>
                    </tr>
                    <tr>
                      <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"
                        nowrap="nowrap" valign="top">
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right"
                          align="right"><b><span lang="EN-US">Para:
                              <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
                      </td>
                      <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Oscar de
                            Dios </span><span lang="EN-US"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com">&lt;oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com&gt;</a></span><span
                            lang="EN-US">, Oscar Gonzalez de Dios
                          </span><span lang="EN-US"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com">&lt;oscar.gonzalezdedios@telefonica.com&gt;</a></span><span
                            lang="EN-US">, Gabriele Galimberti
                          </span><span lang="EN-US"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:ggalimbe@cisco.com">&lt;ggalimbe@cisco.com&gt;</a></span><span
                            lang="EN-US">, Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara
                          </span><span lang="EN-US"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es">&lt;jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es&gt;</a></span><span
                            lang="EN-US">, Universidad de Madrid
                          </span><span lang="EN-US"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es">&lt;jorge.lopez_vergara@uam.es&gt;</a></span><span
                            lang="EN-US">, Daniel King
                          </span><span lang="EN-US"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:d.king@lancaster.ac.uk">&lt;d.king@lancaster.ac.uk&gt;</a></span><span
                            lang="EN-US">, Daniel Perdices
                          </span><span lang="EN-US"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:daniel.perdices@estudiante.uam.es">&lt;daniel.perdices@estudiante.uam.es&gt;</a></span><span
                            lang="EN-US">, Young Lee
                          </span><span lang="EN-US"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com">&lt;leeyoung@huawei.com&gt;</a></span><span
                            lang="EN-US">, Victor Lopezalvarez
                          </span><span lang="EN-US"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com">&lt;victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com&gt;</a></span><span
                            lang="EN-US">, Victor Lopez
                          </span><span lang="EN-US"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com">&lt;victor.lopezalvarez@telefonica.com&gt;</a></span><span
                            lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </td>
                    </tr>
                  </tbody>
                </table>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                    lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
                <pre><span lang="EN-US">A new version of I-D, draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
                <pre><span lang="EN-US">has been successfully submitted by Jorge E. Lopez de Vergara and posted to the<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
                <pre><span lang="EN-US">IETF repository.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
                <pre><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></pre>
                <pre><span lang="EN-US">Name:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
                <pre><span lang="EN-US">Revision: 04<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
                <pre><span lang="EN-US">Title:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  YANG data model for Flexi-Grid Optical Networks<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
                <pre><span lang="EN-US">Document date:Â Â  2017-03-06<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
                <pre><span lang="EN-US">Group:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Individual Submission<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
                <pre><span lang="EN-US">Pages:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  32<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
                <pre><span lang="EN-US">URL:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt">https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vergara-ccamp-flexigrid-yang-04.txt</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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Hi CCAMPers,

The following is the status update of the two WG drafts since the last IETF=
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1.       OSPF-TE Link Availability Extension for Links with Variable Discre=
te Bandwidth:  draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-09
Current status: In IESG processing. Updated in Feb. The main change is to d=
efine a new type of the Generalized SCSI-TLV (draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi), =
instead of a new ISCD sub-TLV.
Open Issues: None.
Next Steps: To be published


2.       Ethernet Traffic Parameters with Availability Information:  draft-=
ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-06
Current status:  updated in Feb without technical changes.
Open Issues: None.
Next Steps:  Waiting for WG LC.

BR,
Amy (on behalf of the co-authors)

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; OSPF-TE Link =
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The main change is to define a new type of the Generalized SCSI-TLV (draft-=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">BR,<o:p></o:p></p>
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Folks,

The FlexE side meeting (see below) has been rescheduled the new time
is Tuesday March 22 at 18:45 in Zurich B.

Sorry for ant inconveniences.

/Loa

On 2017-03-17 09:17, Loa Andersson wrote:
> Folks,
>
> On Monday March 27 in Zurich B , there will be a FlexE side meeting
> from 18:30-20:00. The meeting will be chaired bt Daniele Ceccarelli
> and Nic Leyman. The initiative for this meeting were taken within the
> group that works on a FlexE Framework document (draft-izh-ccamp-
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> The intent is to bring people up to speed on the FlexE technology and
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> The agenda will be:
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> 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng
> 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive:   Iftekhar Hussain
> 3. FlexE in the IETF:            Mach Chen
> 4. Open Mic
>
> Each presentation is panned to last 20 min, and the Open Mic 30 min.
>
>
> /Daniele, Fatai and Loa

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Subject: [CCAMP] 802.3 Ethernet YANG (802.3cp) and IETF overlap
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Hi,

I'm participating in the 802.3 task force (802.3cf) to produce standard 
YANG models for Ethernet interfaces and protocols covered by the IEEE 
802.3 Ethernet Working Group.

As part of my involvement with that group, I want to highlight a couple 
of issues that arose in that forum that may be of interest to various 
WGs in IETF.

This email, and accompanying slides, represents my personal views, and 
do not represent any formal IEEE position.  However, both this email and 
the accompanying slides have been reviewed in an 802.3cf task force 
meeting, and there were no objections to the content, or my sending of 
this email to IETF.

I also raised these issues (with an earlier set of slides) as part of 
the IETF/IEEE liaison meeting on 31st January, and the consensus was 
generally supportive of this approach, with the agreed next steps to 
contact the NETMOD and CCAMP chairs, which I have done, and the WGs 
(hence this email):


As part of that YANG modelling work, there is an aim to define a clean 
boundary of what manageability data should be specified within 802.3 and 
what belongs outside the 802.3 specifications.

The definition that the task force is converging on is that everything 
related to Ethernet, covered by 802.3, that can be expressed in terms of 
the 802.3 clause 30 manageability definitions, should be modeled in 
802.3.  I.e. broadly everything that is covered by 802.3.1 today.  But 
any manageability information that cannot be related to clause 30 
definitions should be specified outside of 802.3.  Note, where 
appropriate, additional clause 30 definitions may be added to fix any 
mistakes or glaring gaps.


To this end, there are a couple of areas between IETF and 802.3 that 
don't necessarily look like they are entirely in the right place, in 
particular:

1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along with other non-Ethernet 
related content) some Ethernet specific statistics that would be better 
co-located with the Ethernet interface YANG model being defined in 
802.3cp.  Hence, the proposal is to subsume the appropriate Ethernet 
statistics from the RMON MIB into a single combined reference set 
defined in 802.3cp.

2) The RMON MIB also defines some Ethernet specific statistics that 
can't be defined as part of 802.3cf because they don't relate to 802.3 
clause 30 registers, but are still widely supported by vendors, and 
should be modeled in YANG.  The proposal is that definitions related to 
these counters could be added as part of the Ethernet-like module 
draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-03 
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/>, or 
perhaps a related Ethernet module in the same draft.

3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC 3621, but also referenced from 
RFC 7460), was originally specified in IETF, but ownership later 
transferred to 802.3 (via RFC 7448).  Whilst working on the Power over 
Ethernet YANG model it has become clear that not all of the attributes 
defined in the MIB map to the underlying 802.3 clause 30 definitions.  
Further, it looks like parts of this YANG model would be better defined 
as extensions to the Entity YANG model being defined in NETMOD.  The 
proposal is that the parts of the Power over Ethernet YANG model that 
can be directly related to clause 30 definitions (e.g. 
/pethPsePortTable/) should be defined in 802.3cf, but that the remaining 
parts (e.g., ///pethMainPseObjects /) can hopefully be standardized in IETF.


Do you have any comments, or concerns, on the 3 proposals above?

Regards,
Rob Wilton


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    <p>Hi,</p>
    <p>I'm participating in the 802.3 task force (802.3cf) to produce
      standard YANG models for Ethernet interfaces and protocols covered
      by the IEEE 802.3 Ethernet Working Group.</p>
    <p>As part of my involvement with that group, I want to highlight a
      couple of issues that arose in that forum that may be of interest
      to various WGs in IETF.</p>
    <p>This email, and accompanying slides, represents my personal
      views, and do not represent any formal IEEE position.Â  However,
      both this email and the accompanying slides have been reviewed in
      an 802.3cf task force meeting, and there were no objections to the
      content, or my sending of this email to IETF.</p>
    <p>I also raised these issues (with an earlier set of slides) as
      part of the IETF/IEEE liaison meeting on 31st January, and the
      consensus was generally supportive of this approach, with the
      agreed next steps to contact the NETMOD and CCAMP chairs, which I
      have done, and the WGs (hence this email):<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>As part of that YANG modelling work, there is an aim to define a
      clean boundary of what manageability data should be specified
      within 802.3 and what belongs outside the 802.3 specifications.</p>
    <p>The definition that the task force is converging on is that
      everything related to Ethernet, covered by 802.3, that can be
      expressed in terms of the 802.3 clause 30 manageability
      definitions, should be modeled in 802.3.Â  I.e. broadly everything
      that is covered by 802.3.1 today.Â  But any manageability
      information that cannot be related to clause 30 definitions should
      be specified outside of 802.3.Â  Note, where appropriate,
      additional clause 30 definitions may be added to fix any mistakes
      or glaring gaps.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>To this end, there are a couple of areas between IETF and 802.3
      that don't necessarily look like they are entirely in the right
      place, in particular:</p>
    <p>1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along with other non-Ethernet
      related content) some Ethernet specific statistics that would be
      better co-located with the Ethernet interface YANG model being
      defined in 802.3cp.Â  Hence, the proposal is to subsume the
      appropriate Ethernet statistics from the RMON MIB into a single
      combined reference set defined in 802.3cp.<br>
    </p>
    <p>2) The RMON MIB also defines some Ethernet specific statistics
      that can't be defined as part of 802.3cf because they don't relate
      to 802.3 clause 30 registers, but are still widely supported by
      vendors, and should be modeled in YANG.Â  The proposal is that
      definitions related to these counters could be added as part of
      the Ethernet-like module <a
        href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/"
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        -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-03</a>,
      or perhaps a related Ethernet module in the same draft.</p>
    <p>3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC 3621, but also
      referenced from RFC 7460), was originally specified in IETF, but
      ownership later transferred to 802.3 (via RFC 7448).Â  Whilst
      working on the Power over Ethernet YANG model it has become clear
      that not all of the attributes defined in the MIB map to the
      underlying 802.3 clause 30 definitions.Â  Further, it looks like
      parts of this YANG model would be better defined as extensions to
      the Entity YANG model being defined in NETMOD.Â  The proposal is
      that the parts of the Power over Ethernet YANG model that can be
      directly related to clause 30 definitions (e.g. <i>pethPsePortTable</i>)
      should be defined in 802.3cf, but that the remaining parts (e.g.,
      <i> </i><i>pethMainPseObjects </i>) can hopefully be
      standardized in IETF.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Do you have any comments, or concerns, on the 3 proposals above?<br>
    </p>
    <p>Regards,<br>
      Rob Wilton<br>
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> On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I'm participating in the 802.3 task force (802.3cf) to produce =
standard YANG models for Ethernet interfaces and protocols covered by =
the IEEE 802.3 Ethernet Working Group.
>=20
> As part of my involvement with that group, I want to highlight a =
couple of issues that arose in that forum that may be of interest to =
various WGs in IETF.
>=20
> This email, and accompanying slides, represents my personal views, and =
do not represent any formal IEEE position.  However, both this email and =
the accompanying slides have been reviewed in an 802.3cf task force =
meeting, and there were no objections to the content, or my sending of =
this email to IETF.
>=20
> I also raised these issues (with an earlier set of slides) as part of =
the IETF/IEEE liaison meeting on 31st January, and the consensus was =
generally supportive of this approach, with the agreed next steps to =
contact the NETMOD and CCAMP chairs, which I have done, and the WGs =
(hence this email):
>=20
> As part of that YANG modelling work, there is an aim to define a clean =
boundary of what manageability data should be specified within 802.3 and =
what belongs outside the 802.3 specifications.
>=20
> The definition that the task force is converging on is that everything =
related to Ethernet, covered by 802.3, that can be expressed in terms of =
the 802.3 clause 30 manageability definitions, should be modeled in =
802.3.  I.e. broadly everything that is covered by 802.3.1 today.  But =
any manageability information that cannot be related to clause 30 =
definitions should be specified outside of 802.3.  Note, where =
appropriate, additional clause 30 definitions may be added to fix any =
mistakes or glaring gaps.
>=20
> To this end, there are a couple of areas between IETF and 802.3 that =
don't necessarily look like they are entirely in the right place, in =
particular:
>=20
> 1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along with other non-Ethernet =
related content) some Ethernet specific statistics that would be better =
co-located with the Ethernet interface YANG model being defined in =
802.3cp.  Hence, the proposal is to subsume the appropriate Ethernet =
statistics from the RMON MIB into a single combined reference set =
defined in 802.3cp.
> 2) The RMON MIB also defines some Ethernet specific statistics that =
can't be defined as part of 802.3cf because they don't relate to 802.3 =
clause 30 registers, but are still widely supported by vendors, and =
should be modeled in YANG.  The proposal is that definitions related to =
these counters could be added as part of the Ethernet-like module =
draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-03 =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/>, or =
perhaps a related Ethernet module in the same draft.
>=20
> 3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC 3621, but also referenced =
from RFC 7460), was originally specified in IETF, but ownership later =
transferred to 802.3 (via RFC 7448).  Whilst working on the Power over =
Ethernet YANG model it has become clear that not all of the attributes =
defined in the MIB map to the underlying 802.3 clause 30 definitions.  =
Further, it looks like parts of this YANG model would be better defined =
as extensions to the Entity YANG model being defined in NETMOD.  The =
proposal is       that the parts of the Power over Ethernet YANG model =
that can be directly related to clause 30 definitions (e.g. =
pethPsePortTable) should be defined in 802.3cf, but that the remaining =
parts (e.g., pethMainPseObjects ) can hopefully be standardized in IETF.
>=20
>=20
> Do you have any comments, or concerns, on the 3 proposals above?
>=20
Having sat on some of the meeting with Robert in IEEE, I would agree =
that the three proposals is the cleanest approach to splitting the work. =
It would have ideal that there was one model each for Ethernet interface =
and all the statistics, and one for POE, but ...
> Regards,
> Rob Wilton
> =
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Robert Wilton &lt;<a href="mailto:rwilton@cisco.com" class="">rwilton@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
  
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  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""><p class="">Hi,</p><p class="">I'm participating in the 802.3 task force (802.3cf) to produce
      standard YANG models for Ethernet interfaces and protocols covered
      by the IEEE 802.3 Ethernet Working Group.</p><p class="">As part of my involvement with that group, I want to highlight a
      couple of issues that arose in that forum that may be of interest
      to various WGs in IETF.</p><p class="">This email, and accompanying slides, represents my personal
      views, and do not represent any formal IEEE position.&nbsp; However,
      both this email and the accompanying slides have been reviewed in
      an 802.3cf task force meeting, and there were no objections to the
      content, or my sending of this email to IETF.</p><p class="">I also raised these issues (with an earlier set of slides) as
      part of the IETF/IEEE liaison meeting on 31st January, and the
      consensus was generally supportive of this approach, with the
      agreed next steps to contact the NETMOD and CCAMP chairs, which I
      have done, and the WGs (hence this email):<br class="">
    </p><p class=""><br class="">
    </p><p class="">As part of that YANG modelling work, there is an aim to define a
      clean boundary of what manageability data should be specified
      within 802.3 and what belongs outside the 802.3 specifications.</p><p class="">The definition that the task force is converging on is that
      everything related to Ethernet, covered by 802.3, that can be
      expressed in terms of the 802.3 clause 30 manageability
      definitions, should be modeled in 802.3.&nbsp; I.e. broadly everything
      that is covered by 802.3.1 today.&nbsp; But any manageability
      information that cannot be related to clause 30 definitions should
      be specified outside of 802.3.&nbsp; Note, where appropriate,
      additional clause 30 definitions may be added to fix any mistakes
      or glaring gaps.<br class="">
    </p><p class=""><br class="">
    </p><p class="">To this end, there are a couple of areas between IETF and 802.3
      that don't necessarily look like they are entirely in the right
      place, in particular:</p><p class="">1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along with other non-Ethernet
      related content) some Ethernet specific statistics that would be
      better co-located with the Ethernet interface YANG model being
      defined in 802.3cp.&nbsp; Hence, the proposal is to subsume the
      appropriate Ethernet statistics from the RMON MIB into a single
      combined reference set defined in 802.3cp.<br class="">
    </p><p class="">2) The RMON MIB also defines some Ethernet specific statistics
      that can't be defined as part of 802.3cf because they don't relate
      to 802.3 clause 30 registers, but are still widely supported by
      vendors, and should be modeled in YANG.&nbsp; The proposal is that
      definitions related to these counters could be added as part of
      the Ethernet-like module <a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/" style="box-sizing: border-box; background-color: rgb(249, 249,
        249); color: rgb(61, 34, 179); text-decoration: none;
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        -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-03</a>,
      or perhaps a related Ethernet module in the same draft.</p><p class="">3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC 3621, but also
      referenced from RFC 7460), was originally specified in IETF, but
      ownership later transferred to 802.3 (via RFC 7448).&nbsp; Whilst
      working on the Power over Ethernet YANG model it has become clear
      that not all of the attributes defined in the MIB map to the
      underlying 802.3 clause 30 definitions.&nbsp; Further, it looks like
      parts of this YANG model would be better defined as extensions to
      the Entity YANG model being defined in NETMOD.&nbsp; The proposal is
      that the parts of the Power over Ethernet YANG model that can be
      directly related to clause 30 definitions (e.g. <i class="">pethPsePortTable</i>)
      should be defined in 802.3cf, but that the remaining parts (e.g.,
      <i class=""> </i><i class="">pethMainPseObjects </i>) can hopefully be
      standardized in IETF.</p><p class=""><br class="">
    </p><p class="">Do you have any comments, or concerns, on the 3 proposals above?<br class=""></p></div></div></blockquote><div>Having sat on some of the meeting with Robert in IEEE, I would agree that the three proposals is the cleanest approach to splitting the work. It would have ideal that there was one model each for Ethernet interface and all the statistics, and one for POE, but ...</div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000" class=""><p class="">
    </p><p class="">Regards,<br class="">
      Rob Wilton<br class="">
    </p>
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Hi,

I largely agree with the proposals of the team.

I have only one comment / clarification related to the RMON objects which
are proposed to be transferred under IEEE 802.3cp. As far as I remember
there are some differences between the definitions in the RMON MIB for some
of the objects and the Clause 30 definitions. What is the approach that you
propose to take? Include in IEEE 802.3cp only those objects that strictly
conform to Clause 30 definitions, or modify / add definitions in Clause 30
in order to accommodate all the RMON statistics? If the later approach is
to be taken - is IEEE 802.3cp chartered to make changes or add new
definitions in Clause 30 of IEEE 802.3?

Regards,

Dan


On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm participating in the 802.3 task force (802.3cf) to produce standard
> YANG models for Ethernet interfaces and protocols covered by the IEEE 802.3
> Ethernet Working Group.
>
> As part of my involvement with that group, I want to highlight a couple of
> issues that arose in that forum that may be of interest to various WGs in
> IETF.
>
> This email, and accompanying slides, represents my personal views, and do
> not represent any formal IEEE position.  However, both this email and the
> accompanying slides have been reviewed in an 802.3cf task force meeting,
> and there were no objections to the content, or my sending of this email to
> IETF.
>
> I also raised these issues (with an earlier set of slides) as part of the
> IETF/IEEE liaison meeting on 31st January, and the consensus was generally
> supportive of this approach, with the agreed next steps to contact the
> NETMOD and CCAMP chairs, which I have done, and the WGs (hence this email):
>
>
> As part of that YANG modelling work, there is an aim to define a clean
> boundary of what manageability data should be specified within 802.3 and
> what belongs outside the 802.3 specifications.
>
> The definition that the task force is converging on is that everything
> related to Ethernet, covered by 802.3, that can be expressed in terms of
> the 802.3 clause 30 manageability definitions, should be modeled in 802.3.
> I.e. broadly everything that is covered by 802.3.1 today.  But any
> manageability information that cannot be related to clause 30 definitions
> should be specified outside of 802.3.  Note, where appropriate, additional
> clause 30 definitions may be added to fix any mistakes or glaring gaps.
>
>
> To this end, there are a couple of areas between IETF and 802.3 that don't
> necessarily look like they are entirely in the right place, in particular:
>
> 1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along with other non-Ethernet related
> content) some Ethernet specific statistics that would be better co-located
> with the Ethernet interface YANG model being defined in 802.3cp.  Hence,
> the proposal is to subsume the appropriate Ethernet statistics from the
> RMON MIB into a single combined reference set defined in 802.3cp.
>
> 2) The RMON MIB also defines some Ethernet specific statistics that can't
> be defined as part of 802.3cf because they don't relate to 802.3 clause 30
> registers, but are still widely supported by vendors, and should be modeled
> in YANG.  The proposal is that definitions related to these counters could
> be added as part of the Ethernet-like module draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-
> yang-03
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/>, or
> perhaps a related Ethernet module in the same draft.
>
> 3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC 3621, but also referenced from
> RFC 7460), was originally specified in IETF, but ownership later
> transferred to 802.3 (via RFC 7448).  Whilst working on the Power over
> Ethernet YANG model it has become clear that not all of the attributes
> defined in the MIB map to the underlying 802.3 clause 30 definitions.
> Further, it looks like parts of this YANG model would be better defined as
> extensions to the Entity YANG model being defined in NETMOD.  The proposal
> is that the parts of the Power over Ethernet YANG model that can be
> directly related to clause 30 definitions (e.g. *pethPsePortTable*)
> should be defined in 802.3cf, but that the remaining parts (e.g., *pethMainPseObjects
> *) can hopefully be standardized in IETF.
>
>
> Do you have any comments, or concerns, on the 3 proposals above?
>
> Regards,
> Rob Wilton
>
> _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>I largely agree with =
the proposals of the team. <br><br></div>I have only one comment / clarific=
ation related to the RMON objects which are proposed to be transferred unde=
r IEEE 802.3cp. As far as I remember there are some differences between the=
 definitions in the RMON MIB for some of the objects and the Clause 30 defi=
nitions. What is the approach that you propose to take? Include in IEEE 802=
.3cp only those objects that strictly conform to Clause 30 definitions, or =
modify / add definitions in Clause 30 in order to accommodate all the RMON =
statistics? If the later approach is to be taken - is IEEE 802.3cp chartere=
d to make changes or add new definitions in Clause 30 of IEEE 802.3? <br><b=
r></div>Regards,<br><br></div>Dan<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Robert Wilto=
n <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rwilton@cisco.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">rwilton@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">
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   =20
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <p>Hi,</p>
    <p>I&#39;m participating in the 802.3 task force (802.3cf) to produce
      standard YANG models for Ethernet interfaces and protocols covered
      by the IEEE 802.3 Ethernet Working Group.</p>
    <p>As part of my involvement with that group, I want to highlight a
      couple of issues that arose in that forum that may be of interest
      to various WGs in IETF.</p>
    <p>This email, and accompanying slides, represents my personal
      views, and do not represent any formal IEEE position.=C2=A0 However,
      both this email and the accompanying slides have been reviewed in
      an 802.3cf task force meeting, and there were no objections to the
      content, or my sending of this email to IETF.</p>
    <p>I also raised these issues (with an earlier set of slides) as
      part of the IETF/IEEE liaison meeting on 31st January, and the
      consensus was generally supportive of this approach, with the
      agreed next steps to contact the NETMOD and CCAMP chairs, which I
      have done, and the WGs (hence this email):<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>As part of that YANG modelling work, there is an aim to define a
      clean boundary of what manageability data should be specified
      within 802.3 and what belongs outside the 802.3 specifications.</p>
    <p>The definition that the task force is converging on is that
      everything related to Ethernet, covered by 802.3, that can be
      expressed in terms of the 802.3 clause 30 manageability
      definitions, should be modeled in 802.3.=C2=A0 I.e. broadly everythin=
g
      that is covered by 802.3.1 today.=C2=A0 But any manageability
      information that cannot be related to clause 30 definitions should
      be specified outside of 802.3.=C2=A0 Note, where appropriate,
      additional clause 30 definitions may be added to fix any mistakes
      or glaring gaps.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>To this end, there are a couple of areas between IETF and 802.3
      that don&#39;t necessarily look like they are entirely in the right
      place, in particular:</p>
    <p>1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along with other non-Ethernet
      related content) some Ethernet specific statistics that would be
      better co-located with the Ethernet interface YANG model being
      defined in 802.3cp.=C2=A0 Hence, the proposal is to subsume the
      appropriate Ethernet statistics from the RMON MIB into a single
      combined reference set defined in 802.3cp.<br>
    </p>
    <p>2) The RMON MIB also defines some Ethernet specific statistics
      that can&#39;t be defined as part of 802.3cf because they don&#39;t r=
elate
      to 802.3 clause 30 registers, but are still widely supported by
      vendors, and should be modeled in YANG.=C2=A0 The proposal is that
      definitions related to these counters could be added as part of
      the Ethernet-like module <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/=
draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-netmod-intf-=
ext-<wbr>yang-03</a>,
      or perhaps a related Ethernet module in the same draft.</p>
    <p>3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC 3621, but also
      referenced from RFC 7460), was originally specified in IETF, but
      ownership later transferred to 802.3 (via RFC 7448).=C2=A0 Whilst
      working on the Power over Ethernet YANG model it has become clear
      that not all of the attributes defined in the MIB map to the
      underlying 802.3 clause 30 definitions.=C2=A0 Further, it looks like
      parts of this YANG model would be better defined as extensions to
      the Entity YANG model being defined in NETMOD.=C2=A0 The proposal is
      that the parts of the Power over Ethernet YANG model that can be
      directly related to clause 30 definitions (e.g. <i>pethPsePortTable</=
i>)
      should be defined in 802.3cf, but that the remaining parts (e.g.,
      <i> </i><i>pethMainPseObjects </i>) can hopefully be
      standardized in IETF.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Do you have any comments, or concerns, on the 3 proposals above?<br>
    </p>
    <p>Regards,<br>
      Rob Wilton<br>
    </p>
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All,

Sorry to clog your in inboxes, but there is an error in the changes
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Tuesday March 28 at 18:45 in Zurich B
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/Loa

On 2017-03-22 18:25, Loa Andersson wrote:
> Folks,
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> The FlexE side meeting (see below) has been rescheduled the new time
> is Tuesday March 22 at 18:45 in Zurich B.
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> Sorry for ant inconveniences.
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> /Loa
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> On 2017-03-17 09:17, Loa Andersson wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> On Monday March 27 in Zurich B , there will be a FlexE side meeting
>> from 18:30-20:00. The meeting will be chaired bt Daniele Ceccarelli
>> and Nic Leyman. The initiative for this meeting were taken within the
>> group that works on a FlexE Framework document (draft-izh-ccamp-
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>>
>> The intent is to bring people up to speed on the FlexE technology and
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>> The agenda will be:
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>> Each presentation is panned to last 20 min, and the Open Mic 30 min.
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Hi Fatai,

Thanks for the comments/review.

Sorry, one correction in my email.  The 802.3 YANG project is only 
802.3cf.  Sometimes I have managed to mangle the name together with the 
802.1 YANG project (802.1cp) ...


On 23/03/2017 03:51, Fatai Zhang wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> Thanks for sharing the information.
>
> I think you are talking about two types of Yang models, one is 
> Ethernet specific statistics, and the other one is Power over Ethernet.
>
We are trying to convert various MIBs that contain Ethernet related 
functionality to YANG.  Generally the MIBS were defined in IETF. Some of 
them have been transferred to IEEE for ownership.

In the process of converting the content from MIBs to YANG we are taking 
the opportunity to refine the contents to better meet current 
requirements.  E.g. CSMA/CD collision counters are generally not of 
relevance on any current Ethernet hardware.

> If my understanding is correct, I think your proposals are that some 
> part of each of them should be defined in 802.3cp or 802.3cf, and the 
> left part of each of them should be defined in IETF.
>
Basically, yes, that is correct.


> I am a little concerned that how people can distinguish and judge 
> which part (e.g., of Ethernet specific statistics or Power over 
> Ethernet) should be defined in IEEE or IEFT?
>
A lot of the 802.3 Ethernet specification concerns functionality that is 
baked into the hardware.  The 820.3 specification defines (via Clause 
30) an internal management API for configuration and retrieval of 
operational parameters from the hardware.

So, the 802.3cf plan is that all of the Ethernet related parts of YANG, 
or MIB, modules that just represent the values defined in clause 30 are 
expected to published as part of the 802.3 Ethernet YANG modules.

However, 802.3cf do not want their standard YANG models to map to 
parameters that are not covered by clause 30 (excepting a few more 
obvious omissions) because that might mean that the YANG module cannot 
be fully supported by current devices (e.g. if they don't have the 
actual hardware present to provide the necessary counters).

So, the proposal is that some parts of the Ethernet statistics get 
standardized in IETF instead (probably via NETMOD).

Concretely, my desire is for the following bits would be standardized in 
IETF:
   1) Histogram packet statistics (from RMON) (because vendors often 
support Ethernet frames up to 9k bytes, but the formal 802.3 
specification only goes up to 2k).  To be added to 
draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-04
   2) Some counters that more generally apply to Ethernet-like 
interfaces (e.g. LAG, IRB, or Pseudo-wire head-end interfaces). This 
would include the number of packets dropped because they don't match the 
destination MAC address filter.  To be added to 
draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-04.
   3) The parts of power management that relate to power supplies rather 
than Ethernet interfaces.  Yan has submitted a draft to NETMOD for this, 
draft-zhuang-netmod-yang-poe-management-01.  I've not reviewed this 
draft yet, but it may be that it should augment the entity YANG model 
(draft-ietf-netmod-entity-03).



> For example, regarding Ethernet specific statistics, how people can 
> exactly know which information could be better co-located in 802.3cp 
> and which donâ€™t  relate to 802.3?
>
> I think different people might have different understanding and then 
> it will bring confusion to the industry.
>
Possibly this will be true, but once these base models are standardized, 
I'm not sure that they are likely to evolve particularly quickly.  I 
would think that if the work is being done in 802.3 then any associated 
YANG would be standardized there, similarly for IETF.

> How about allow IETF define Yang models for everything of Ethernet 
> specific statistics since RMON MIB was already defined by IETF and 
> IEEE define Yang models for everything of Power over Ethernet (since 
> ownership already transferred to 802.3)?  I personally think this 
> simple approach could make our life easier, J
>
I think that this approach may hit some of the issues above 
(particularly the relationship to hardware and clause 30 registers).

Thanks,
Rob


> Just some loud thinkingâ€¦
>
> Thanks
>
> Fatai
>
> *å‘ä»¶äºº:*CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] *ä»£è¡¨ *Robert Wilton
> *å‘é€æ—¶é—´:*2017å¹´3æœˆ22æ—¥23:21
> *æ”¶ä»¶äºº:*netmod@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org
> *ä¸»é¢˜:*[CCAMP] 802.3 Ethernet YANG (802.3cp) and IETF overlap
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm participating in the 802.3 task force (802.3cf) to produce 
> standard YANG models for Ethernet interfaces and protocols covered by 
> the IEEE 802.3 Ethernet Working Group.
>
> As part of my involvement with that group, I want to highlight a 
> couple of issues that arose in that forum that may be of interest to 
> various WGs in IETF.
>
> This email, and accompanying slides, represents my personal views, and 
> do not represent any formal IEEE position.  However, both this email 
> and the accompanying slides have been reviewed in an 802.3cf task 
> force meeting, and there were no objections to the content, or my 
> sending of this email to IETF.
>
> I also raised these issues (with an earlier set of slides) as part of 
> the IETF/IEEE liaison meeting on 31st January, and the consensus was 
> generally supportive of this approach, with the agreed next steps to 
> contact the NETMOD and CCAMP chairs, which I have done, and the WGs 
> (hence this email):
>
> As part of that YANG modelling work, there is an aim to define a clean 
> boundary of what manageability data should be specified within 802.3 
> and what belongs outside the 802.3 specifications.
>
> The definition that the task force is converging on is that everything 
> related to Ethernet, covered by 802.3, that can be expressed in terms 
> of the 802.3 clause 30 manageability definitions, should be modeled in 
> 802.3.  I.e. broadly everything that is covered by 802.3.1 today.  But 
> any manageability information that cannot be related to clause 30 
> definitions should be specified outside of 802.3.  Note, where 
> appropriate, additional clause 30 definitions may be added to fix any 
> mistakes or glaring gaps.
>
> To this end, there are a couple of areas between IETF and 802.3 that 
> don't necessarily look like they are entirely in the right place, in 
> particular:
>
> 1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along with other non-Ethernet 
> related content) some Ethernet specific statistics that would be 
> better co-located with the Ethernet interface YANG model being defined 
> in 802.3cp. Hence, the proposal is to subsume the appropriate Ethernet 
> statistics from the RMON MIB into a single combined reference set 
> defined in 802.3cp.
>
> 2) The RMON MIB also defines some Ethernet specific statistics that 
> can't be defined as part of 802.3cf because they don't relate to 802.3 
> clause 30 registers, but are still widely supported by vendors, and 
> should be modeled in YANG.  The proposal is that definitions related 
> to these counters could be added as part of the Ethernet-like module 
> draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-03 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/>, 
> or perhaps a related Ethernet module in the same draft.
>
> 3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC 3621, but also referenced 
> from RFC 7460), was originally specified in IETF, but ownership later 
> transferred to 802.3 (via RFC 7448).  Whilst working on the Power over 
> Ethernet YANG model it has become clear that not all of the attributes 
> defined in the MIB map to the underlying 802.3 clause 30 definitions.  
> Further, it looks like parts of this YANG model would be better 
> defined as extensions to the Entity YANG model being defined in 
> NETMOD.  The proposal is that the parts of the Power over Ethernet 
> YANG model that can be directly related to clause 30 definitions (e.g. 
> /pethPsePortTable/) should be defined in 802.3cf, but that the 
> remaining parts (e.g., /pethMainPseObjects /) can hopefully be 
> standardized in IETF.
>
> Do you have any comments, or concerns, on the 3 proposals above?
>
> Regards,
> Rob Wilton
>


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            one is Power over Ethernet.</span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    We are trying to convert various MIBs that contain Ethernet related
    functionality to YANG.Â  Generally the MIBS were defined in IETF.Â 
    Some of them have been transferred to IEEE for ownership.<br>
    <br>
    In the process of converting the content from MIBs to YANG we are
    taking the opportunity to refine the contents to better meet current
    requirements.Â  E.g. CSMA/CD collision counters are generally not of
    relevance on any current Ethernet hardware. <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF8AB4F71F7@DGGEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">If my understanding is correct, I think your
            proposals are that some part of each of them should be
            defined in 802.3cp or 802.3cf, and the left part of each of
            them should be defined in IETF. </span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Basically, yes, that is correct.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF8AB4F71F7@DGGEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">I am a little concerned that how people can
            distinguish and judge which part (e.g., of Ethernet specific
            statistics or Power over Ethernet) should be defined in IEEE
            or IEFT? </span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    A lot of the 802.3 Ethernet specification concerns functionality
    that is baked into the hardware.Â  The 820.3 specification defines
    (via Clause 30) an internal management API for configuration and
    retrieval of operational parameters from the hardware.<br>
    <br>
    So, the 802.3cf plan is that all of the Ethernet related parts of
    YANG, or MIB, modules that just represent the values defined in
    clause 30 are expected to published as part of the 802.3 Ethernet
    YANG modules.<br>
    <br>
    However, 802.3cf do not want their standard YANG models to map to
    parameters that are not covered by clause 30 (excepting a few more
    obvious omissions) because that might mean that the YANG module
    cannot be fully supported by current devices (e.g. if they don't
    have the actual hardware present to provide the necessary counters).<br>
    <br>
    So, the proposal is that some parts of the Ethernet statistics get
    standardized in IETF instead (probably via NETMOD).<br>
    <br>
    Concretely, my desire is for the following bits would be
    standardized in IETF:<br>
    Â  1) Histogram packet statistics (from RMON) (because vendors often
    support Ethernet frames up to 9k bytes, but the formal 802.3
    specification only goes up to 2k).Â  To be added to
    draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-04 <br>
    Â  2) Some counters that more generally apply to Ethernet-like
    interfaces (e.g. LAG, IRB, or Pseudo-wire head-end interfaces).Â 
    This would include the number of packets dropped because they don't
    match the destination MAC address filter.Â  To be added to
    draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-04.<br>
    Â  3) The parts of power management that relate to power supplies
    rather than Ethernet interfaces.Â  Yan has submitted a draft to
    NETMOD for this, draft-zhuang-netmod-yang-poe-management-01.Â  I've
    not reviewed this draft yet, but it may be that it should augment
    the entity YANG model (draft-ietf-netmod-entity-03).<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF8AB4F71F7@DGGEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">For example, regarding Ethernet specific
            statistics, how people can exactly know which information
            could be better co-located in 802.3cp and which donâ€™t
            Â relate to 802.3? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">I think different people might have different
            understanding and then it will bring confusion to the
            industry.</span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Possibly this will be true, but once these base models are
    standardized, I'm not sure that they are likely to evolve
    particularly quickly.Â  I would think that if the work is being done
    in 802.3 then any associated YANG would be standardized there,
    similarly for IETF.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF8AB4F71F7@DGGEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">How about allow IETF define Yang models for
            everything of Ethernet specific statistics since RMON MIB
            was already defined by IETF and IEEE define Yang models for
            everything of Power over Ethernet (since ownership already
            transferred to 802.3)? Â I personally think this simple
            approach could make our life easier,
          </span><span
            style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">J</span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    I think that this approach may hit some of the issues above
    (particularly the relationship to hardware and clause 30 registers).<br>
    <br>
    Thanks,<br>
    Rob<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF8AB4F71F7@DGGEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US">Just some loud thinkingâ€¦<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"
            style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"
            style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"
            style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"
            style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"
            style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"
            style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"
            style="text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
              lang="EN-US">Fatai<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
            1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">å‘ä»¶äºº<span
                    lang="EN-US">:</span></span></b><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">
                CCAMP [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
              </span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">ä»£è¡¨
                </span></b><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">Robert
                Wilton<br>
              </span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">å‘é€æ—¶é—´<span
                    lang="EN-US">:</span></span></b><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">
                2017</span><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext">å¹´<span
                  lang="EN-US">3</span>æœˆ<span lang="EN-US">22</span>æ—¥<span
                  lang="EN-US"> 23:21<br>
                </span><b>æ”¶ä»¶äºº<span lang="EN-US">:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:netmod@ietf.org">netmod@ietf.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ccamp@ietf.org">ccamp@ietf.org</a><br>
                </span><b>ä¸»é¢˜<span lang="EN-US">:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> [CCAMP] 802.3 Ethernet YANG (802.3cp)
                  and IETF overlap<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">I'm participating in the 802.3 task force
            (802.3cf) to produce standard YANG models for Ethernet
            interfaces and protocols covered by the IEEE 802.3 Ethernet
            Working Group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">As part of my involvement with that group,
            I want to highlight a couple of issues that arose in that
            forum that may be of interest to various WGs in IETF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">This email, and accompanying slides,
            represents my personal views, and do not represent any
            formal IEEE position.Â  However, both this email and the
            accompanying slides have been reviewed in an 802.3cf task
            force meeting, and there were no objections to the content,
            or my sending of this email to IETF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">I also raised these issues (with an
            earlier set of slides) as part of the IETF/IEEE liaison
            meeting on 31st January, and the consensus was generally
            supportive of this approach, with the agreed next steps to
            contact the NETMOD and CCAMP chairs, which I have done, and
            the WGs (hence this email):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">As part of that YANG modelling work, there
            is an aim to define a clean boundary of what manageability
            data should be specified within 802.3 and what belongs
            outside the 802.3 specifications.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">The definition that the task force is
            converging on is that everything related to Ethernet,
            covered by 802.3, that can be expressed in terms of the
            802.3 clause 30 manageability definitions, should be modeled
            in 802.3.Â  I.e. broadly everything that is covered by
            802.3.1 today.Â  But any manageability information that
            cannot be related to clause 30 definitions should be
            specified outside of 802.3.Â  Note, where appropriate,
            additional clause 30 definitions may be added to fix any
            mistakes or glaring gaps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">To this end, there are a couple of areas
            between IETF and 802.3 that don't necessarily look like they
            are entirely in the right place, in particular:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along
            with other non-Ethernet related content) some Ethernet
            specific statistics that would be better co-located with the
            Ethernet interface YANG model being defined in 802.3cp.Â 
            Hence, the proposal is to subsume the appropriate Ethernet
            statistics from the RMON MIB into a single combined
            reference set defined in 802.3cp.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">2) The RMON MIB also defines some Ethernet
            specific statistics that can't be defined as part of 802.3cf
            because they don't relate to 802.3 clause 30 registers, but
            are still widely supported by vendors, and should be modeled
            in YANG.Â  The proposal is that definitions related to these
            counters could be added as part of the Ethernet-like module
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/"><span
                style="color:#3D22B3;text-decoration:none">draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-03</span></a>,
            or perhaps a related Ethernet module in the same draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC
            3621, but also referenced from RFC 7460), was originally
            specified in IETF, but ownership later transferred to 802.3
            (via RFC 7448).Â  Whilst working on the Power over Ethernet
            YANG model it has become clear that not all of the
            attributes defined in the MIB map to the underlying 802.3
            clause 30 definitions.Â  Further, it looks like parts of this
            YANG model would be better defined as extensions to the
            Entity YANG model being defined in NETMOD.Â  The proposal is
            that the parts of the Power over Ethernet YANG model that
            can be directly related to clause 30 definitions (e.g.
            <i>pethPsePortTable</i>) should be defined in 802.3cf, but
            that the remaining parts (e.g.,
            <i>pethMainPseObjects </i>) can hopefully be standardized
            in IETF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">Do you have any comments, or concerns, on
            the 3 proposals above?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p><span lang="EN-US">Regards,<br>
            Rob Wilton<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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    </blockquote>
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Hi Dan,


On 23/03/2017 07:56, Dan Romascanu wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I largely agree with the proposals of the team.
>
> I have only one comment / clarification related to the RMON objects 
> which are proposed to be transferred under IEEE 802.3cp. As far as I 
> remember there are some differences between the definitions in the 
> RMON MIB for some of the objects and the Clause 30 definitions.
Unfortunately, yes there are differences.

> What is the approach that you propose to take?
I'm trying to rationalize them all together (at least for the parts of 
the MIB that we want to carry forward into YANG).

Please see attached for a spreadsheet that shows the relationship 
between the proposed 802.3 YANG counters, the existing MIBs (IFMIB, 
RMON, and ETHERNET-LIKE), and 802.3 clause 30.  This doesn't yet cover 
the counters that I plan on adding to draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-04 
(Drop due to invalid destination MAC, of RMON style histogram counters).

There will also be some text added to the 802.3cf draft that should 
explain the relationship, possibly some of it may be lifted directly 
from 802.3.1.



> Include in IEEE 802.3cp only those objects that strictly conform to 
> Clause 30 definitions, or modify / add definitions in Clause 30 in 
> order to accommodate all the RMON statistics? If the later approach is 
> to be taken - is IEEE 802.3cp chartered to make changes or add new 
> definitions in Clause 30 of IEEE 802.3?

A bit of both - mostly the former approach, but with a few missing 
counters hopefully added to clause 30.

Specifically, I hoping that the following counters can be added to 
clause 30:
  Row 17: In PFC frames (used in  ETHERLIKE MIB dot3HCInPFCFrames)
  Row 18: Out PFC frames (used in ETHERLIKE MIB dot3HCOutPFCFrames)
  Row 19: Total Octets received (good & bad) (used in RMON MIB 
etherStatsOctets)
  Row 25: Frames dropped as being too short. (combined value of two RMON 
MIB counters (etherStatsUndersizePkts + etherStatsFragments))

I think that in principal there is some support for adding these to 
clause 30, and the appropriate folks in 802.3 will work out the 
easiest/best mechanism to achieve this.

Thanks,
Rob


>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com 
> <mailto:rwilton@cisco.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I'm participating in the 802.3 task force (802.3cf) to produce
>     standard YANG models for Ethernet interfaces and protocols covered
>     by the IEEE 802.3 Ethernet Working Group.
>
>     As part of my involvement with that group, I want to highlight a
>     couple of issues that arose in that forum that may be of interest
>     to various WGs in IETF.
>
>     This email, and accompanying slides, represents my personal views,
>     and do not represent any formal IEEE position.  However, both this
>     email and the accompanying slides have been reviewed in an 802.3cf
>     task force meeting, and there were no objections to the content,
>     or my sending of this email to IETF.
>
>     I also raised these issues (with an earlier set of slides) as part
>     of the IETF/IEEE liaison meeting on 31st January, and the
>     consensus was generally supportive of this approach, with the
>     agreed next steps to contact the NETMOD and CCAMP chairs, which I
>     have done, and the WGs (hence this email):
>
>
>     As part of that YANG modelling work, there is an aim to define a
>     clean boundary of what manageability data should be specified
>     within 802.3 and what belongs outside the 802.3 specifications.
>
>     The definition that the task force is converging on is that
>     everything related to Ethernet, covered by 802.3, that can be
>     expressed in terms of the 802.3 clause 30 manageability
>     definitions, should be modeled in 802.3. I.e. broadly everything
>     that is covered by 802.3.1 today.  But any manageability
>     information that cannot be related to clause 30 definitions should
>     be specified outside of 802.3.  Note, where appropriate,
>     additional clause 30 definitions may be added to fix any mistakes
>     or glaring gaps.
>
>
>     To this end, there are a couple of areas between IETF and 802.3
>     that don't necessarily look like they are entirely in the right
>     place, in particular:
>
>     1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along with other non-Ethernet
>     related content) some Ethernet specific statistics that would be
>     better co-located with the Ethernet interface YANG model being
>     defined in 802.3cp. Hence, the proposal is to subsume the
>     appropriate Ethernet statistics from the RMON MIB into a single
>     combined reference set defined in 802.3cp.
>
>     2) The RMON MIB also defines some Ethernet specific statistics
>     that can't be defined as part of 802.3cf because they don't relate
>     to 802.3 clause 30 registers, but are still widely supported by
>     vendors, and should be modeled in YANG.  The proposal is that
>     definitions related to these counters could be added as part of
>     the Ethernet-like module draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-03
>     <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/>,
>     or perhaps a related Ethernet module in the same draft.
>
>     3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC 3621, but also
>     referenced from RFC 7460), was originally specified in IETF, but
>     ownership later transferred to 802.3 (via RFC 7448).  Whilst
>     working on the Power over Ethernet YANG model it has become clear
>     that not all of the attributes defined in the MIB map to the
>     underlying 802.3 clause 30 definitions.  Further, it looks like
>     parts of this YANG model would be better defined as extensions to
>     the Entity YANG model being defined in NETMOD.  The proposal is
>     that the parts of the Power over Ethernet YANG model that can be
>     directly related to clause 30 definitions (e.g.
>     /pethPsePortTable/) should be defined in 802.3cf, but that the
>     remaining parts (e.g., ///pethMainPseObjects /) can hopefully be
>     standardized in IETF.
>
>
>     Do you have any comments, or concerns, on the 3 proposals above?
>
>     Regards,
>     Rob Wilton
>
>
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    <p>Hi Dan,<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/03/2017 07:56, Dan Romascanu
      wrote:<br>
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              <div>Hi,<br>
                <br>
              </div>
              I largely agree with the proposals of the team. <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            I have only one comment / clarification related to the RMON
            objects which are proposed to be transferred under IEEE
            802.3cp. As far as I remember there are some differences
            between the definitions in the RMON MIB for some of the
            objects and the Clause 30 definitions.</div>
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    </blockquote>
    Unfortunately, yes there are differences.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFgnS4XRa7AkUdJ7eevN2Ja-wC9WbZwEroVKjouTbG=NNwa-0A@mail.gmail.com"
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          <div> What is the approach that you propose to take?</div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    I'm trying to rationalize them all together (at least for the parts
    of the MIB that we want to carry forward into YANG).<br>
    <br>
    Please see attached for a spreadsheet that shows the relationship
    between the proposed 802.3 YANG counters, the existing MIBs (IFMIB,
    RMON, and ETHERNET-LIKE), and 802.3 clause 30.Â  This doesn't yet
    cover the counters that I plan on adding to
    draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-04 (Drop due to invalid destination
    MAC, of RMON style histogram counters).<br>
    <br>
    There will also be some text added to the 802.3cf draft that should
    explain the relationship, possibly some of it may be lifted directly
    from 802.3.1.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFgnS4XRa7AkUdJ7eevN2Ja-wC9WbZwEroVKjouTbG=NNwa-0A@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div>
          <div> Include in IEEE 802.3cp only those objects that strictly
            conform to Clause 30 definitions, or modify / add
            definitions in Clause 30 in order to accommodate all the
            RMON statistics? If the later approach is to be taken - is
            IEEE 802.3cp chartered to make changes or add new
            definitions in Clause 30 of IEEE 802.3? <br>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    A bit of both - mostly the former approach, but with a few missing
    counters hopefully added to clause 30.Â  <br>
    <br>
    Specifically, I hoping that the following counters can be added to
    clause 30:<br>
    Â Row 17: In PFC frames (used inÂ  ETHERLIKE MIB dot3HCInPFCFrames)
    <br>
    Â Row 18: Out PFC frames (used in ETHERLIKE MIB dot3HCOutPFCFrames)
    <br>
    Â Row 19: Total Octets received (good &amp; bad) (used in RMON MIB
    etherStatsOctets)
    <br>
    Â Row 25: Frames dropped as being too short. (combined value of two
    RMON MIB counters (etherStatsUndersizePkts + etherStatsFragments))
    <br>
    <br>
    I think that in principal there is some support for adding these to
    clause 30, and the appropriate folks in 802.3 will work out the
    easiest/best mechanism to achieve this.<br>
    <br>
    Thanks,<br>
    Rob<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
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          Regards,<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        Dan<br>
        <br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Robert
          Wilton <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:rwilton@cisco.com" target="_blank">rwilton@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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              <p>Hi,</p>
              <p>I'm participating in the 802.3 task force (802.3cf) to
                produce standard YANG models for Ethernet interfaces and
                protocols covered by the IEEE 802.3 Ethernet Working
                Group.</p>
              <p>As part of my involvement with that group, I want to
                highlight a couple of issues that arose in that forum
                that may be of interest to various WGs in IETF.</p>
              <p>This email, and accompanying slides, represents my
                personal views, and do not represent any formal IEEE
                position.Â  However, both this email and the accompanying
                slides have been reviewed in an 802.3cf task force
                meeting, and there were no objections to the content, or
                my sending of this email to IETF.</p>
              <p>I also raised these issues (with an earlier set of
                slides) as part of the IETF/IEEE liaison meeting on 31st
                January, and the consensus was generally supportive of
                this approach, with the agreed next steps to contact the
                NETMOD and CCAMP chairs, which I have done, and the WGs
                (hence this email):<br>
              </p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>As part of that YANG modelling work, there is an aim to
                define a clean boundary of what manageability data
                should be specified within 802.3 and what belongs
                outside the 802.3 specifications.</p>
              <p>The definition that the task force is converging on is
                that everything related to Ethernet, covered by 802.3,
                that can be expressed in terms of the 802.3 clause 30
                manageability definitions, should be modeled in 802.3.Â 
                I.e. broadly everything that is covered by 802.3.1
                today.Â  But any manageability information that cannot be
                related to clause 30 definitions should be specified
                outside of 802.3.Â  Note, where appropriate, additional
                clause 30 definitions may be added to fix any mistakes
                or glaring gaps.<br>
              </p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>To this end, there are a couple of areas between IETF
                and 802.3 that don't necessarily look like they are
                entirely in the right place, in particular:</p>
              <p>1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along with other
                non-Ethernet related content) some Ethernet specific
                statistics that would be better co-located with the
                Ethernet interface YANG model being defined in 802.3cp.Â 
                Hence, the proposal is to subsume the appropriate
                Ethernet statistics from the RMON MIB into a single
                combined reference set defined in 802.3cp.<br>
              </p>
              <p>2) The RMON MIB also defines some Ethernet specific
                statistics that can't be defined as part of 802.3cf
                because they don't relate to 802.3 clause 30 registers,
                but are still widely supported by vendors, and should be
                modeled in YANG.Â  The proposal is that definitions
                related to these counters could be added as part of the
                Ethernet-like module <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/"
                  target="_blank">draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-<wbr>yang-03</a>,
                or perhaps a related Ethernet module in the same draft.</p>
              <p>3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC 3621, but
                also referenced from RFC 7460), was originally specified
                in IETF, but ownership later transferred to 802.3 (via
                RFC 7448).Â  Whilst working on the Power over Ethernet
                YANG model it has become clear that not all of the
                attributes defined in the MIB map to the underlying
                802.3 clause 30 definitions.Â  Further, it looks like
                parts of this YANG model would be better defined as
                extensions to the Entity YANG model being defined in
                NETMOD.Â  The proposal is that the parts of the Power
                over Ethernet YANG model that can be directly related to
                clause 30 definitions (e.g. <i>pethPsePortTable</i>)
                should be defined in 802.3cf, but that the remaining
                parts (e.g., <i> </i><i>pethMainPseObjects </i>) can
                hopefully be standardized in IETF.</p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>Do you have any comments, or concerns, on the 3
                proposals above?<br>
              </p>
              <p>Regards,<br>
                Rob Wilton<br>
              </p>
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Hi Robert,

Thank you for the answer.

If the current IEEE 802.3 project (cp) is not chartered to make changes in
Clause 30 - these cannot be done, and you need a new project for this
purpose. Take this into consideration, as this may become a dependency and
a gating issue for the project timelines. I suggest that you discuss this
with the IEEE 802.3 chair David Law. I am also copying Russ who is now in
charge with the IETF - IEEE relationship to make sure that he is aware
about the issue.

Regards,

Dan


On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> wrote:

> Hi Dan,
>
> On 23/03/2017 07:56, Dan Romascanu wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I largely agree with the proposals of the team.
>
> I have only one comment / clarification related to the RMON objects which
> are proposed to be transferred under IEEE 802.3cp. As far as I remember
> there are some differences between the definitions in the RMON MIB for some
> of the objects and the Clause 30 definitions.
>
> Unfortunately, yes there are differences.
>
> What is the approach that you propose to take?
>
> I'm trying to rationalize them all together (at least for the parts of the
> MIB that we want to carry forward into YANG).
>
> Please see attached for a spreadsheet that shows the relationship between
> the proposed 802.3 YANG counters, the existing MIBs (IFMIB, RMON, and
> ETHERNET-LIKE), and 802.3 clause 30.  This doesn't yet cover the counters
> that I plan on adding to draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-04 (Drop due to
> invalid destination MAC, of RMON style histogram counters).
>
> There will also be some text added to the 802.3cf draft that should
> explain the relationship, possibly some of it may be lifted directly from
> 802.3.1.
>
>
>
> Include in IEEE 802.3cp only those objects that strictly conform to Clause
> 30 definitions, or modify / add definitions in Clause 30 in order to
> accommodate all the RMON statistics? If the later approach is to be taken -
> is IEEE 802.3cp chartered to make changes or add new definitions in Clause
> 30 of IEEE 802.3?
>
>
> A bit of both - mostly the former approach, but with a few missing
> counters hopefully added to clause 30.
>
> Specifically, I hoping that the following counters can be added to clause
> 30:
>  Row 17: In PFC frames (used in  ETHERLIKE MIB dot3HCInPFCFrames)
>  Row 18: Out PFC frames (used in ETHERLIKE MIB dot3HCOutPFCFrames)
>  Row 19: Total Octets received (good & bad) (used in RMON MIB
> etherStatsOctets)
>  Row 25: Frames dropped as being too short. (combined value of two RMON
> MIB counters (etherStatsUndersizePkts + etherStatsFragments))
>
> I think that in principal there is some support for adding these to clause
> 30, and the appropriate folks in 802.3 will work out the easiest/best
> mechanism to achieve this.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm participating in the 802.3 task force (802.3cf) to produce standard
>> YANG models for Ethernet interfaces and protocols covered by the IEEE 802.3
>> Ethernet Working Group.
>>
>> As part of my involvement with that group, I want to highlight a couple
>> of issues that arose in that forum that may be of interest to various WGs
>> in IETF.
>>
>> This email, and accompanying slides, represents my personal views, and do
>> not represent any formal IEEE position.  However, both this email and the
>> accompanying slides have been reviewed in an 802.3cf task force meeting,
>> and there were no objections to the content, or my sending of this email to
>> IETF.
>>
>> I also raised these issues (with an earlier set of slides) as part of the
>> IETF/IEEE liaison meeting on 31st January, and the consensus was generally
>> supportive of this approach, with the agreed next steps to contact the
>> NETMOD and CCAMP chairs, which I have done, and the WGs (hence this email):
>>
>>
>> As part of that YANG modelling work, there is an aim to define a clean
>> boundary of what manageability data should be specified within 802.3 and
>> what belongs outside the 802.3 specifications.
>>
>> The definition that the task force is converging on is that everything
>> related to Ethernet, covered by 802.3, that can be expressed in terms of
>> the 802.3 clause 30 manageability definitions, should be modeled in 802.3.
>> I.e. broadly everything that is covered by 802.3.1 today.  But any
>> manageability information that cannot be related to clause 30 definitions
>> should be specified outside of 802.3.  Note, where appropriate, additional
>> clause 30 definitions may be added to fix any mistakes or glaring gaps.
>>
>>
>> To this end, there are a couple of areas between IETF and 802.3 that
>> don't necessarily look like they are entirely in the right place, in
>> particular:
>>
>> 1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along with other non-Ethernet related
>> content) some Ethernet specific statistics that would be better co-located
>> with the Ethernet interface YANG model being defined in 802.3cp.  Hence,
>> the proposal is to subsume the appropriate Ethernet statistics from the
>> RMON MIB into a single combined reference set defined in 802.3cp.
>>
>> 2) The RMON MIB also defines some Ethernet specific statistics that can't
>> be defined as part of 802.3cf because they don't relate to 802.3 clause 30
>> registers, but are still widely supported by vendors, and should be modeled
>> in YANG.  The proposal is that definitions related to these counters could
>> be added as part of the Ethernet-like module
>> draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-03
>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/>, or
>> perhaps a related Ethernet module in the same draft.
>>
>> 3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC 3621, but also referenced from
>> RFC 7460), was originally specified in IETF, but ownership later
>> transferred to 802.3 (via RFC 7448).  Whilst working on the Power over
>> Ethernet YANG model it has become clear that not all of the attributes
>> defined in the MIB map to the underlying 802.3 clause 30 definitions.
>> Further, it looks like parts of this YANG model would be better defined as
>> extensions to the Entity YANG model being defined in NETMOD.  The proposal
>> is that the parts of the Power over Ethernet YANG model that can be
>> directly related to clause 30 definitions (e.g. *pethPsePortTable*)
>> should be defined in 802.3cf, but that the remaining parts (e.g., *pethMainPseObjects
>> *) can hopefully be standardized in IETF.
>>
>>
>> Do you have any comments, or concerns, on the 3 proposals above?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob Wilton
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> netmod mailing list
>> netmod@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
>>
>>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi Robert, <br><br></div>Thank you for=
 the answer. <br><br></div>If the current IEEE 802.3 project (cp) is not ch=
artered to make changes in Clause 30 - these cannot be done, and you need a=
 new project for this purpose. Take this into consideration, as this may be=
come a dependency and a gating issue for the project timelines. I suggest t=
hat you discuss this with the IEEE 802.3 chair David Law. I am also copying=
 Russ who is now in charge with the IETF - IEEE relationship to make sure t=
hat he is aware about the issue. <br><br></div>Regards,<br><br></div>Dan<br=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar =
23, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Robert Wilton <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
rwilton@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">rwilton@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <p>Hi Dan,<br>
    </p><span class=3D"">
    <br>
    <div class=3D"m_-8862211324044062002moz-cite-prefix">On 23/03/2017 07:5=
6, Dan Romascanu
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div>
          <div>
            <div>
              <div>Hi,<br>
                <br>
              </div>
              I largely agree with the proposals of the team. <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            I have only one comment / clarification related to the RMON
            objects which are proposed to be transferred under IEEE
            802.3cp. As far as I remember there are some differences
            between the definitions in the RMON MIB for some of the
            objects and the Clause 30 definitions.</div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote></span>
    Unfortunately, yes there are differences.<span class=3D""><br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div>
          <div> What is the approach that you propose to take?</div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote></span>
    I&#39;m trying to rationalize them all together (at least for the parts
    of the MIB that we want to carry forward into YANG).<br>
    <br>
    Please see attached for a spreadsheet that shows the relationship
    between the proposed 802.3 YANG counters, the existing MIBs (IFMIB,
    RMON, and ETHERNET-LIKE), and 802.3 clause 30.=C2=A0 This doesn&#39;t y=
et
    cover the counters that I plan on adding to
    draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-<wbr>yang-04 (Drop due to invalid destinatio=
n
    MAC, of RMON style histogram counters).<br>
    <br>
    There will also be some text added to the 802.3cf draft that should
    explain the relationship, possibly some of it may be lifted directly
    from 802.3.1.<span class=3D""><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div>
          <div> Include in IEEE 802.3cp only those objects that strictly
            conform to Clause 30 definitions, or modify / add
            definitions in Clause 30 in order to accommodate all the
            RMON statistics? If the later approach is to be taken - is
            IEEE 802.3cp chartered to make changes or add new
            definitions in Clause 30 of IEEE 802.3? <br>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br></span>
    A bit of both - mostly the former approach, but with a few missing
    counters hopefully added to clause 30.=C2=A0 <br>
    <br>
    Specifically, I hoping that the following counters can be added to
    clause 30:<br>
    =C2=A0Row 17: In PFC frames (used in=C2=A0 ETHERLIKE MIB dot3HCInPFCFra=
mes)
    <br>
    =C2=A0Row 18: Out PFC frames (used in ETHERLIKE MIB dot3HCOutPFCFrames)
    <br>
    =C2=A0Row 19: Total Octets received (good &amp; bad) (used in RMON MIB
    etherStatsOctets)
    <br>
    =C2=A0Row 25: Frames dropped as being too short. (combined value of two
    RMON MIB counters (etherStatsUndersizePkts + etherStatsFragments))
    <br>
    <br>
    I think that in principal there is some support for adding these to
    clause 30, and the appropriate folks in 802.3 will work out the
    easiest/best mechanism to achieve this.<br>
    <br>
    Thanks,<br>
    Rob<span class=3D""><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          Regards,<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        Dan<br>
        <br>
      </div>
      <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Robert
          Wilton <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rwilton@cisco.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">rwilton@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
              <p>Hi,</p>
              <p>I&#39;m participating in the 802.3 task force (802.3cf) to
                produce standard YANG models for Ethernet interfaces and
                protocols covered by the IEEE 802.3 Ethernet Working
                Group.</p>
              <p>As part of my involvement with that group, I want to
                highlight a couple of issues that arose in that forum
                that may be of interest to various WGs in IETF.</p>
              <p>This email, and accompanying slides, represents my
                personal views, and do not represent any formal IEEE
                position.=C2=A0 However, both this email and the accompanyi=
ng
                slides have been reviewed in an 802.3cf task force
                meeting, and there were no objections to the content, or
                my sending of this email to IETF.</p>
              <p>I also raised these issues (with an earlier set of
                slides) as part of the IETF/IEEE liaison meeting on 31st
                January, and the consensus was generally supportive of
                this approach, with the agreed next steps to contact the
                NETMOD and CCAMP chairs, which I have done, and the WGs
                (hence this email):<br>
              </p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>As part of that YANG modelling work, there is an aim to
                define a clean boundary of what manageability data
                should be specified within 802.3 and what belongs
                outside the 802.3 specifications.</p>
              <p>The definition that the task force is converging on is
                that everything related to Ethernet, covered by 802.3,
                that can be expressed in terms of the 802.3 clause 30
                manageability definitions, should be modeled in 802.3.=C2=
=A0
                I.e. broadly everything that is covered by 802.3.1
                today.=C2=A0 But any manageability information that cannot =
be
                related to clause 30 definitions should be specified
                outside of 802.3.=C2=A0 Note, where appropriate, additional
                clause 30 definitions may be added to fix any mistakes
                or glaring gaps.<br>
              </p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>To this end, there are a couple of areas between IETF
                and 802.3 that don&#39;t necessarily look like they are
                entirely in the right place, in particular:</p>
              <p>1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along with other
                non-Ethernet related content) some Ethernet specific
                statistics that would be better co-located with the
                Ethernet interface YANG model being defined in 802.3cp.=C2=
=A0
                Hence, the proposal is to subsume the appropriate
                Ethernet statistics from the RMON MIB into a single
                combined reference set defined in 802.3cp.<br>
              </p>
              <p>2) The RMON MIB also defines some Ethernet specific
                statistics that can&#39;t be defined as part of 802.3cf
                because they don&#39;t relate to 802.3 clause 30 registers,
                but are still widely supported by vendors, and should be
                modeled in YANG.=C2=A0 The proposal is that definitions
                related to these counters could be added as part of the
                Ethernet-like module <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.or=
g/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-netmod=
-intf-ext-yan<wbr>g-03</a>,
                or perhaps a related Ethernet module in the same draft.</p>
              <p>3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC 3621, but
                also referenced from RFC 7460), was originally specified
                in IETF, but ownership later transferred to 802.3 (via
                RFC 7448).=C2=A0 Whilst working on the Power over Ethernet
                YANG model it has become clear that not all of the
                attributes defined in the MIB map to the underlying
                802.3 clause 30 definitions.=C2=A0 Further, it looks like
                parts of this YANG model would be better defined as
                extensions to the Entity YANG model being defined in
                NETMOD.=C2=A0 The proposal is that the parts of the Power
                over Ethernet YANG model that can be directly related to
                clause 30 definitions (e.g. <i>pethPsePortTable</i>)
                should be defined in 802.3cf, but that the remaining
                parts (e.g., <i> </i><i>pethMainPseObjects </i>) can
                hopefully be standardized in IETF.</p>
              <p><br>
              </p>
              <p>Do you have any comments, or concerns, on the 3
                proposals above?<br>
              </p>
              <p>Regards,<br>
                Rob Wilton<br>
              </p>
            </div>
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Hi Dan,

Thanks for the advice.  Thankfully, David Law has been attending the 
802.3cf task meetings, so he very much aware of the proposal to add new 
definitions to clause 30, and has offered to help find the best way 
through the 802.3 process to achieve the right technical goals.

Thanks,
Rob


On 23/03/2017 16:40, Dan Romascanu wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> Thank you for the answer.
>
> If the current IEEE 802.3 project (cp) is not chartered to make 
> changes in Clause 30 - these cannot be done, and you need a new 
> project for this purpose. Take this into consideration, as this may 
> become a dependency and a gating issue for the project timelines. I 
> suggest that you discuss this with the IEEE 802.3 chair David Law. I 
> am also copying Russ who is now in charge with the IETF - IEEE 
> relationship to make sure that he is aware about the issue.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com 
> <mailto:rwilton@cisco.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Dan,
>
>
>     On 23/03/2017 07:56, Dan Romascanu wrote:
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     I largely agree with the proposals of the team.
>>
>>     I have only one comment / clarification related to the RMON
>>     objects which are proposed to be transferred under IEEE 802.3cp.
>>     As far as I remember there are some differences between the
>>     definitions in the RMON MIB for some of the objects and the
>>     Clause 30 definitions.
>     Unfortunately, yes there are differences.
>
>>     What is the approach that you propose to take?
>     I'm trying to rationalize them all together (at least for the
>     parts of the MIB that we want to carry forward into YANG).
>
>     Please see attached for a spreadsheet that shows the relationship
>     between the proposed 802.3 YANG counters, the existing MIBs
>     (IFMIB, RMON, and ETHERNET-LIKE), and 802.3 clause 30.  This
>     doesn't yet cover the counters that I plan on adding to
>     draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-04 (Drop due to invalid
>     destination MAC, of RMON style histogram counters).
>
>     There will also be some text added to the 802.3cf draft that
>     should explain the relationship, possibly some of it may be lifted
>     directly from 802.3.1.
>
>
>
>>     Include in IEEE 802.3cp only those objects that strictly conform
>>     to Clause 30 definitions, or modify / add definitions in Clause
>>     30 in order to accommodate all the RMON statistics? If the later
>>     approach is to be taken - is IEEE 802.3cp chartered to make
>>     changes or add new definitions in Clause 30 of IEEE 802.3?
>
>     A bit of both - mostly the former approach, but with a few missing
>     counters hopefully added to clause 30.
>
>     Specifically, I hoping that the following counters can be added to
>     clause 30:
>      Row 17: In PFC frames (used in  ETHERLIKE MIB dot3HCInPFCFrames)
>      Row 18: Out PFC frames (used in ETHERLIKE MIB dot3HCOutPFCFrames)
>      Row 19: Total Octets received (good & bad) (used in RMON MIB
>     etherStatsOctets)
>      Row 25: Frames dropped as being too short. (combined value of two
>     RMON MIB counters (etherStatsUndersizePkts + etherStatsFragments))
>
>     I think that in principal there is some support for adding these
>     to clause 30, and the appropriate folks in 802.3 will work out the
>     easiest/best mechanism to achieve this.
>
>     Thanks,
>     Rob
>
>
>>
>>     Regards,
>>
>>     Dan
>>
>>
>>     On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Robert Wilton <rwilton@cisco.com
>>     <mailto:rwilton@cisco.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi,
>>
>>         I'm participating in the 802.3 task force (802.3cf) to
>>         produce standard YANG models for Ethernet interfaces and
>>         protocols covered by the IEEE 802.3 Ethernet Working Group.
>>
>>         As part of my involvement with that group, I want to
>>         highlight a couple of issues that arose in that forum that
>>         may be of interest to various WGs in IETF.
>>
>>         This email, and accompanying slides, represents my personal
>>         views, and do not represent any formal IEEE position.
>>         However, both this email and the accompanying slides have
>>         been reviewed in an 802.3cf task force meeting, and there
>>         were no objections to the content, or my sending of this
>>         email to IETF.
>>
>>         I also raised these issues (with an earlier set of slides) as
>>         part of the IETF/IEEE liaison meeting on 31st January, and
>>         the consensus was generally supportive of this approach, with
>>         the agreed next steps to contact the NETMOD and CCAMP chairs,
>>         which I have done, and the WGs (hence this email):
>>
>>
>>         As part of that YANG modelling work, there is an aim to
>>         define a clean boundary of what manageability data should be
>>         specified within 802.3 and what belongs outside the 802.3
>>         specifications.
>>
>>         The definition that the task force is converging on is that
>>         everything related to Ethernet, covered by 802.3, that can be
>>         expressed in terms of the 802.3 clause 30 manageability
>>         definitions, should be modeled in 802.3.  I.e. broadly
>>         everything that is covered by 802.3.1 today.  But any
>>         manageability information that cannot be related to clause 30
>>         definitions should be specified outside of 802.3.  Note,
>>         where appropriate, additional clause 30 definitions may be
>>         added to fix any mistakes or glaring gaps.
>>
>>
>>         To this end, there are a couple of areas between IETF and
>>         802.3 that don't necessarily look like they are entirely in
>>         the right place, in particular:
>>
>>         1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along with other
>>         non-Ethernet related content) some Ethernet specific
>>         statistics that would be better co-located with the Ethernet
>>         interface YANG model being defined in 802.3cp.  Hence, the
>>         proposal is to subsume the appropriate Ethernet statistics
>>         from the RMON MIB into a single combined reference set
>>         defined in 802.3cp.
>>
>>         2) The RMON MIB also defines some Ethernet specific
>>         statistics that can't be defined as part of 802.3cf because
>>         they don't relate to 802.3 clause 30 registers, but are still
>>         widely supported by vendors, and should be modeled in YANG. 
>>         The proposal is that definitions related to these counters
>>         could be added as part of the Ethernet-like module
>>         draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang-03
>>         <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/>,
>>         or perhaps a related Ethernet module in the same draft.
>>
>>         3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC 3621, but also
>>         referenced from RFC 7460), was originally specified in IETF,
>>         but ownership later transferred to 802.3 (via RFC 7448). 
>>         Whilst working on the Power over Ethernet YANG model it has
>>         become clear that not all of the attributes defined in the
>>         MIB map to the underlying 802.3 clause 30 definitions. 
>>         Further, it looks like parts of this YANG model would be
>>         better defined as extensions to the Entity YANG model being
>>         defined in NETMOD.  The proposal is that the parts of the
>>         Power over Ethernet YANG model that can be directly related
>>         to clause 30 definitions (e.g. /pethPsePortTable/) should be
>>         defined in 802.3cf, but that the remaining parts (e.g.,
>>         ///pethMainPseObjects /) can hopefully be standardized in IETF.
>>
>>
>>         Do you have any comments, or concerns, on the 3 proposals above?
>>
>>         Regards,
>>         Rob Wilton
>>
>>
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>>
>
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    <p>Hi Dan,</p>
    <p>Thanks for the advice.Â  Thankfully, David Law has been attending
      the 802.3cf task meetings, so he very much aware of the proposal
      to add new definitions to clause 30, and has offered to help find
      the best way through the 802.3 process to achieve the right
      technical goals.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Thanks,<br>
      Rob<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/03/2017 16:40, Dan Romascanu
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFgnS4V2wv7nEGJTanJsdVk7YzjKNHKPYtfaC4nYUTHAw1whgA@mail.gmail.com"
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              <div>Hi Robert, <br>
                <br>
              </div>
              Thank you for the answer. <br>
              <br>
            </div>
            If the current IEEE 802.3 project (cp) is not chartered to
            make changes in Clause 30 - these cannot be done, and you
            need a new project for this purpose. Take this into
            consideration, as this may become a dependency and a gating
            issue for the project timelines. I suggest that you discuss
            this with the IEEE 802.3 chair David Law. I am also copying
            Russ who is now in charge with the IETF - IEEE relationship
            to make sure that he is aware about the issue. <br>
            <br>
          </div>
          Regards,<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        Dan<br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:36 PM,
            Robert Wilton <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:rwilton@cisco.com" target="_blank">rwilton@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span>
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                <p>Hi Dan,<br>
                </p>
                <span class=""> <br>
                  <div class="m_-8862211324044062002moz-cite-prefix">On
                    23/03/2017 07:56, Dan Romascanu wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <div>Hi,<br>
                              <br>
                            </div>
                            I largely agree with the proposals of the
                            team. <br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          I have only one comment / clarification
                          related to the RMON objects which are proposed
                          to be transferred under IEEE 802.3cp. As far
                          as I remember there are some differences
                          between the definitions in the RMON MIB for
                          some of the objects and the Clause 30
                          definitions.</div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                </span> Unfortunately, yes there are differences.<span
                  class=""><br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div>
                        <div> What is the approach that you propose to
                          take?</div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                </span> I'm trying to rationalize them all together (at
                least for the parts of the MIB that we want to carry
                forward into YANG).<br>
                <br>
                Please see attached for a spreadsheet that shows the
                relationship between the proposed 802.3 YANG counters,
                the existing MIBs (IFMIB, RMON, and ETHERNET-LIKE), and
                802.3 clause 30.Â  This doesn't yet cover the counters
                that I plan on adding to draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-<wbr>yang-04
                (Drop due to invalid destination MAC, of RMON style
                histogram counters).<br>
                <br>
                There will also be some text added to the 802.3cf draft
                that should explain the relationship, possibly some of
                it may be lifted directly from 802.3.1.<span class=""><br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div>
                        <div> Include in IEEE 802.3cp only those objects
                          that strictly conform to Clause 30
                          definitions, or modify / add definitions in
                          Clause 30 in order to accommodate all the RMON
                          statistics? If the later approach is to be
                          taken - is IEEE 802.3cp chartered to make
                          changes or add new definitions in Clause 30 of
                          IEEE 802.3? <br>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <br>
                </span> A bit of both - mostly the former approach, but
                with a few missing counters hopefully added to clause
                30.Â  <br>
                <br>
                Specifically, I hoping that the following counters can
                be added to clause 30:<br>
                Â Row 17: In PFC frames (used inÂ  ETHERLIKE MIB
                dot3HCInPFCFrames) <br>
                Â Row 18: Out PFC frames (used in ETHERLIKE MIB
                dot3HCOutPFCFrames) <br>
                Â Row 19: Total Octets received (good &amp; bad) (used in
                RMON MIB etherStatsOctets) <br>
                Â Row 25: Frames dropped as being too short. (combined
                value of two RMON MIB counters (etherStatsUndersizePkts
                + etherStatsFragments)) <br>
                <br>
                I think that in principal there is some support for
                adding these to clause 30, and the appropriate folks in
                802.3 will work out the easiest/best mechanism to
                achieve this.<br>
                <br>
                Thanks,<br>
                Rob<span class=""><br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        Regards,<br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      Dan<br>
                      <br>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at
                        5:21 PM, Robert Wilton <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:rwilton@cisco.com"
                            target="_blank">rwilton@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                            <p>Hi,</p>
                            <p>I'm participating in the 802.3 task force
                              (802.3cf) to produce standard YANG models
                              for Ethernet interfaces and protocols
                              covered by the IEEE 802.3 Ethernet Working
                              Group.</p>
                            <p>As part of my involvement with that
                              group, I want to highlight a couple of
                              issues that arose in that forum that may
                              be of interest to various WGs in IETF.</p>
                            <p>This email, and accompanying slides,
                              represents my personal views, and do not
                              represent any formal IEEE position.Â 
                              However, both this email and the
                              accompanying slides have been reviewed in
                              an 802.3cf task force meeting, and there
                              were no objections to the content, or my
                              sending of this email to IETF.</p>
                            <p>I also raised these issues (with an
                              earlier set of slides) as part of the
                              IETF/IEEE liaison meeting on 31st January,
                              and the consensus was generally supportive
                              of this approach, with the agreed next
                              steps to contact the NETMOD and CCAMP
                              chairs, which I have done, and the WGs
                              (hence this email):<br>
                            </p>
                            <p><br>
                            </p>
                            <p>As part of that YANG modelling work,
                              there is an aim to define a clean boundary
                              of what manageability data should be
                              specified within 802.3 and what belongs
                              outside the 802.3 specifications.</p>
                            <p>The definition that the task force is
                              converging on is that everything related
                              to Ethernet, covered by 802.3, that can be
                              expressed in terms of the 802.3 clause 30
                              manageability definitions, should be
                              modeled in 802.3.Â  I.e. broadly everything
                              that is covered by 802.3.1 today.Â  But any
                              manageability information that cannot be
                              related to clause 30 definitions should be
                              specified outside of 802.3.Â  Note, where
                              appropriate, additional clause 30
                              definitions may be added to fix any
                              mistakes or glaring gaps.<br>
                            </p>
                            <p><br>
                            </p>
                            <p>To this end, there are a couple of areas
                              between IETF and 802.3 that don't
                              necessarily look like they are entirely in
                              the right place, in particular:</p>
                            <p>1) The RMON MIB (RFC 2819) defines (along
                              with other non-Ethernet related content)
                              some Ethernet specific statistics that
                              would be better co-located with the
                              Ethernet interface YANG model being
                              defined in 802.3cp.Â  Hence, the proposal
                              is to subsume the appropriate Ethernet
                              statistics from the RMON MIB into a single
                              combined reference set defined in 802.3cp.<br>
                            </p>
                            <p>2) The RMON MIB also defines some
                              Ethernet specific statistics that can't be
                              defined as part of 802.3cf because they
                              don't relate to 802.3 clause 30 registers,
                              but are still widely supported by vendors,
                              and should be modeled in YANG.Â  The
                              proposal is that definitions related to
                              these counters could be added as part of
                              the Ethernet-like module <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yang/"
                                target="_blank">draft-ietf-netmod-intf-ext-yan<wbr>g-03</a>,
                              or perhaps a related Ethernet module in
                              the same draft.</p>
                            <p>3) The Power-Ethernet MIB (defined in RFC
                              3621, but also referenced from RFC 7460),
                              was originally specified in IETF, but
                              ownership later transferred to 802.3 (via
                              RFC 7448).Â  Whilst working on the Power
                              over Ethernet YANG model it has become
                              clear that not all of the attributes
                              defined in the MIB map to the underlying
                              802.3 clause 30 definitions.Â  Further, it
                              looks like parts of this YANG model would
                              be better defined as extensions to the
                              Entity YANG model being defined in
                              NETMOD.Â  The proposal is that the parts of
                              the Power over Ethernet YANG model that
                              can be directly related to clause 30
                              definitions (e.g. <i>pethPsePortTable</i>)
                              should be defined in 802.3cf, but that the
                              remaining parts (e.g., <i> </i><i>pethMainPseObjects
                              </i>) can hopefully be standardized in
                              IETF.</p>
                            <p><br>
                            </p>
                            <p>Do you have any comments, or concerns, on
                              the 3 proposals above?<br>
                            </p>
                            <p>Regards,<br>
                              Rob Wilton<br>
                            </p>
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Working group,

please make sure your slides are sent to Oscar, Fatai and myself within the=
 weekend.
Late modifications are always accepted but please try to have early version=
s available ASAP.

Thanks
Daniele

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: mercoled=EC 15 marzo 2017 15:52
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: [CCAMP] IETF98 - CCAMP Agenda

Hi everyone,

the first draft of the CCAMP agenda for IETF98 is now available:

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/agenda/agenda-98-ccamp-00

We received requests for 140 mins while we only have 90 mins available (we =
will ask for 120 mins at IETF99).

PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING:


-          Presentations with allocated time equal to 0  (i.e. 7-8-9) will =
be requested to be given ONLY at the joint YANG session (hosted by MPLS on =
Friday

-          Other YANG related presentations marked with (*) (i.e. 2 and 10)=
 will be requested to be given BOTH at the joint YANG session and the CCAMP=
 session. The reason is that 2 is a WG document while for slot 10 we expect=
 a lot of discussion from the latest email on the list. (authors please con=
sider little time for presentation and more time for discussion)

-          The requests for Beyond 100G drafts have been merged in 2 slots =
of 10 mins each. Authors please focus on framework, requirements and the di=
fferences with the "competing" document. Protocol extensions will be discus=
sed on the list for the time being.

-          Flex Ethernet: there will be a side meeting dedicated to FlexE o=
n Monday afternoon (announcement will be sent separately on the list).

As usual please check that all the requests have been accommodated.

Thanks
Daniele, Fatai, Oscar

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Working group,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">please make sure your slides ar=
e sent to Oscar, Fatai and myself within the weekend.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Late modifications are always a=
ccepted but please try to have early versions available ASAP.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Daniele&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
 style=3D"mso-fareast-language:IT">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"mso-fareast-language:IT"> CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniele Ceccarelli<br>
<b>Sent:</b> mercoled=EC 15 marzo 2017 15:52<br>
<b>To:</b> CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) &lt;ccamp@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CCAMP] IETF98 - CCAMP Agenda<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt">Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">th=
e first draft of the CCAMP agenda for IETF98 is now available:<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
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:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a=
 href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/agenda/agenda-98-ccamp-00">htt=
ps://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/agenda/agenda-98-ccamp-00</a><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">We=
 received requests for 140 mins while we only have 90 mins available (we wi=
ll ask for 120 mins at IETF99).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><b><u><span lang=3D"EN-=
US">PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING</span></u></b><span lang=3D"EN-US">:<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-=
<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Presentations with allo=
cated time equal to 0 &nbsp;(i.e. 7-8-9) will be requested to be given
<b>ONLY</b> at the joint YANG session (hosted by MPLS on Friday<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Other YANG related pres=
entations marked with (*) (i.e. 2 and 10) will be requested to be given
<b>BOTH</b> at the joint YANG session and the CCAMP session. The reason is =
that 2 is a WG document while for slot 10 we expect a lot of discussion fro=
m the latest email on the list. (authors please consider little time for pr=
esentation and more time for discussion)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:71.4pt;text-indent:-18.0=
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">The requests for Beyond=
 100G drafts have been merged in 2 slots of 10 mins each. Authors please fo=
cus on framework, requirements and the differences with the &#8220;competin=
g&#8221; document. Protocol extensions will be
 discussed on the list for the time being.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US">Flex Ethernet: there wi=
ll be a side meeting dedicated to FlexE on Monday afternoon (announcement w=
ill be sent separately on the list).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">As=
 usual please check that all the requests have been accommodated.<o:p></o:p=
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anks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Da=
niele, Fatai, Oscar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi everyone,

a reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho:

When: Tuesday 18:45-20:15
Room: Zurich B
Remote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE

BR
Daniele, Nic, Loa

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">a reminder for the FlexE side m=
eeting and the link to Meetecho:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Room: Zurich B<o:p></o:p></span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Remote participation - Meetecho=
: <a href=3D"http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE">
http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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...and the agenda



>> The agenda will be:

>>

>> 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng

>> 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive:   Iftekhar Hussain

>> 3. FlexE in the IETF:            Mach Chen

>> 4. Open Mic


From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
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Subject: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting

Hi everyone,

a reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho:

When: Tuesday 18:45-20:15
Room: Zurich B
Remote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE

BR
Daniele, Nic, Loa

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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniele Ceccarelli<br>
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Hi everyone,

thanks for the useful and productive meeting.

I've uploaded the slides in the CCAMP page as well as the minutes (thanks t=
o Andy for putting them together)
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/session/ccamp

The recordings can be found at the following link
http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF98_CCAMP_Fl=
exE&chapter=3Dchapter_1

Thanks
Daniele & Nic

From: Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:10
To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; pce@ietf.org; TEA=
S WG <teas@ietf.org>; routing-discussion@ietf.org; mpls@ietf.org; ccamp@iet=
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Cc: Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdona@gmail.com>; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org=
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Subject: RE: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting


...and the agenda



>> The agenda will be:

>>

>> 1. FlexE background and origins: Haomian Zheng

>> 2. FlexE Technology Deep Dive:   Iftekhar Hussain

>> 3. FlexE in the IETF:            Mach Chen

>> 4. Open Mic


From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
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eymann@telekom.de<mailto:N.Leymann@telekom.de>
Subject: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting

Hi everyone,

a reminder for the FlexE side meeting and the link to Meetecho:

When: Tuesday 18:45-20:15
Room: Zurich B
Remote participation - Meetecho: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE

BR
Daniele, Nic, Loa

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">thanks for the useful and produ=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I&#8217;ve uploaded the slides =
in the CCAMP page as well as the minutes (thanks to Andy for putting them t=
ogether)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.=
ietf.org/meeting/98/session/ccamp">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/=
session/ccamp</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The recordings can be found at =
the following link<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://recs.conf.mee=
techo.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF98_CCAMP_FlexE&amp;chapter=3Dch=
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Daniele &amp; Nic<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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le=3D"mso-fareast-language:IT"> Daniele Ceccarelli
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:10<br>
<b>To:</b> Daniele Ceccarelli &lt;daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com&gt;; pce@=
ietf.org; TEAS WG &lt;teas@ietf.org&gt;; routing-discussion@ietf.org; mpls@=
ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ignas Bagdonas &lt;ibagdona@gmail.com&gt;; draft-izh-ccamp-flexe=
-fwk@ietf.org; N.Leymann@telekom.de<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CCAMP] FlexE side meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>&#8230;and the agenda<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniele Ceccarelli<br>
<b>Sent:</b> marted=EC 28 marzo 2017 12:00<br>
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<a href=3D"mailto:draft-izh-ccamp-flexe-fwk@ietf.org">draft-izh-ccamp-flexe=
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<a href=3D"mailto:N.Leymann@telekom.de">N.Leymann@telekom.de</a><br>
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<a href=3D"http://www.meetecho.com/ietf98/CCAMP-FlexE">http://www.meetecho.=
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Hi Daniela & James,

Thank you for the feedback on the YANG model for microwave links. It's very=
 much appreciated.

We have had a first discussion with Daniela where we discussed the 1st poin=
t. We also agreed to continue the discussion in our weekly meetings on Thur=
sdays, CEST 9:00-10:00.

At our F2F meetings at IETF 98 we (parts of the Microwave Design Team) have=
 also gone through the remaining feedback from you and provided some clarif=
ications and comments in the attached word document. We hope that it can he=
lp in our continued discussions.

Regards
JonasA

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ries, James (Nokia=
 - US)
Sent: den 14 mars 2017 14:10
To: ccamp@ietf.org
Subject: [CCAMP] Nokia Feedback for draft-mwdt-ccamp-mw-yang-01.txt

Hi all,

Attached is feedback from Nokia on the microwave draft model.

Thanks,
jr

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">Thank you for the feedback on the YANG model for microwave links. It&=
#8217;s very much appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">We have had a first discussion with Daniela where we discussed the 1<=
sup>st</sup> point. We also agreed to continue the discussion in our weekly=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">At our F2F meetings at IETF 98 we (parts of the Microwave Design Team=
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clarifications and comments in the attached
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N-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US">JonasA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ries, James (Nokia - US)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> den 14 mars 2017 14:10<br>
<b>To:</b> ccamp@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CCAMP] Nokia Feedback for draft-mwdt-ccamp-mw-yang-01.txt<=
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*         Summary of IETF 98

o   Feedback

o   Next steps

*         YANG Data Model - Open Topics

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*         AOB

o   ...

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">This is an invite to the MDT me=
eting on Thursday April 6, 9:00-10:00 (CEST).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Proposed Agenda:<o:p></o:p></sp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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=3D"font-size:14.0pt">&nbsp;
<a name=3D"OutSharedNoteBorder">&nbsp;</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a name=3D"OutSharedN=
oteLink">&nbsp;</a></span></span><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt"><o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
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=3D"0" style=3D"border-collapse:collapse">
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 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:3.0pt;margin-right:0cm;m=
argin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:16.0pt;line-height:125%;text-autospace:none=
">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;line-height:125%">This is an=
 online meeting for Skype for Business, the professional meetings and commu=
nications app formerly known as Lync.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN" styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.0pt;color:black">Join by phone</span><span lang=3D"EN" st=
yle=3D"font-size:8.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN" styl=
e=3D"font-size:8.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:2.0pt;text-autospace:none"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"><a href=3D"tel:&#43;46107140000,=
70194388%23"><span style=3D"color:#0066CC">&#43;46107140000</span></a> (Swe=
den) &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; English
 (United States) </span><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:8.0pt"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:2.0pt;text-autospace:none"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"><a href=3D"tel:&#43;89925,701943=
88%23"><span style=3D"color:#0066CC">89925</span></a> (Sweden) &nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; English
 (United States) </span><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:3.0pt">&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:2.0pt;text-autospace:none"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:3.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:2.0pt;text-autospace:none"><u=
><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#943634"><a href=3D"http=
s://dialin.ericsson.com?id=3D70194388"><span style=3D"color:#0066CC">Find a=
 local number</span></a></span></u><span lang=3D"EN">
</span><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:2.0pt;text-autospace:none"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:8.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:2.0pt;text-autospace:none"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Conference ID: 70194388</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN" styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:#0066CC"><a href=3D"https://dialin.ericsson.com=
"><span style=3D"color:#0066CC">Forgot your dial-in PIN?</span></a></span><=
span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:3.0pt">
</span><span lang=3D"EN">|</span><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t"><a href=3D"http://o15.officeredir.microsoft.com/r/rlidLync15?clid=3D1033=
&amp;p1=3D5&amp;p2=3D2009"><span style=3D"color:#0066CC">Help</span></a></s=
pan><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:3.0pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span><span lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:8.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN" styl=
e=3D"font-size:14.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN" styl=
e=3D"font-size:8.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span lang=3D"EN">To j=
oin a Lync / Skype for Business meeting from an Ericsson standard video roo=
m, add 77 before the Conference ID (e.g. 771234567 where 1234567 is the con=
ference ID).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; To join from a video room
 outside of Ericsson add one of the domains after 77 and Conference ID (e.g=
. 771234567@ xxxx.ericsson.net, where xxxx=3Demea/apac/amcs).&nbsp; For ass=
istance contact the IT Service Desk.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><sub><span lang=3D"EN"=
 style=3D"font-size:1.0pt;color:white">[!OC([1033])!]</span></sub><span lan=
g=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:3.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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autospace:none">
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lang=3D"EN" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;line-height:115%"><o:p></o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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