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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I have a question about the IETF-ONF mapping (for that is already done): * why the 'IETF radio-link-terminal' is associated to ONF 'AirInterface= Diversity' ? As example : carrier-terminations --> AirInterfaceDiversityCon= figuration/ airInterfaceLtpList. In case of 1+1 radio configuration the Div= ersity is not the case. Regards, Daniela From: Jonas Ahlberg [mailto:jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:08 AM To: Yemin (Amy) ; 'LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO' ; 'Koji Kawada' ; 'Ippei Akiyoshi (i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com) (i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.co= m)' ; 'Xi Li' ; cjbc@it.uc3m.es;= Spreafico, Daniela (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) Cc: 'ccamp@ietf.org' Subject: MDT meeting - YANG Data Model - October 5, 9:00-10:00 (CEST, UTC+2= ) Hi all, MDT meeting, Thursday, October 5, 9:00-10:00 (CEST, UTC+2). Suggested agenda: * Final review of updated Radio Link model * https://github.com/ietf-ccamp-mw/IETF-CCAMP-Microwave-YANG-Data-Mo= del/tree/master/YANG%20Data%20Model/October%202017%20-%20draft-ietf-ccamp-m= w-yang-02 * Review of Excel sheet describing the mapping to standards and/or ONF = model * Final review of the material explaining the difference between an inf= ormation model and a data model * Final review of the updated Framework draft * Comments by Oct 5, the latest. Submission after that. * AOB /JonasA ...........................................................................= .............................................................. --> Join Skype Meeting Trouble Joining? 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Hi all,

I have a question about the IET= F-ONF mapping (for that is already done):

  • why the ‘IETF radio-link-terminal’ i= s associated to ONF ‘AirInterfaceDiversity’ ? As example : carr= ier-terminations à= AirInterfaceDiversityConfiguration/ airInterfaceLtpList. In case of 1+1 radio c= onfiguration the Diversity is not the case.

 

Regards, Daniela

 

From: Jonas Ahlberg [mailto:jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:08 AM
To: Yemin (Amy) <amy.yemin@huawei.com>; 'LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS= MURILLO' <luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com>; 'Koji Kawada'= <k-kawada@ah.jp.nec.com>; 'Ippei Akiyoshi (i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com)= (i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com)' <i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com>; 'Xi Li' <Xi.Li@neclab.eu>; cjbc@it.uc3m.es; Spreafico, Daniela (Noki= a - IT/Vimercate) <daniela.spreafico@nokia.com>
Cc: 'ccamp@ietf.org' <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: MDT meeting - YANG Data Model - October 5, 9:00-10:00 (CEST= , UTC+2)

 

Hi all,

 

MDT meeting, Thursday, October = 5, 9:00-10:00 (CEST, UTC+2).

 

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/JonasA

 

 

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Daniela, That was based on my understanding of the ONF model. You can just update th= e mapping to make it correct. Regards JonasA From: Spreafico, Daniela (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) [mailto:daniela.spreafico@n= okia.com] Sent: den 4 oktober 2017 16:21 To: Jonas Ahlberg ; Yemin (Amy) ; 'LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO' ; 'Koji Kawada' ; 'Ippei Akiyoshi (i-akiy= oshi@ah.jp.nec.com) (i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com)' ;= 'Xi Li' ; cjbc@it.uc3m.es Cc: 'ccamp@ietf.org' Subject: RE: MDT meeting - YANG Data Model - October 5, 9:00-10:00 (CEST, U= TC+2) Hi all, I have a question about the IETF-ONF mapping (for that is already done): * why the 'IETF radio-link-terminal' is associated to ONF 'AirInterface= Diversity' ? As example : carrier-terminations --> AirInterfaceDiversityCon= figuration/ airInterfaceLtpList. In case of 1+1 radio configuration the Div= ersity is not the case. Regards, Daniela From: Jonas Ahlberg [mailto:jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:08 AM To: Yemin (Amy) >; 'LUIS = MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO' >; 'Koji Kawada' >; 'Ippei Akiyoshi (i-akiyoshi@ah.= jp.nec.com) (i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com)' >; 'Xi Li' >; cjbc@it= .uc3m.es; Spreafico, Daniela (Nokia - IT/Vimercate)= > Cc: 'ccamp@ietf.org' > Subject: MDT meeting - YANG Data Model - October 5, 9:00-10:00 (CEST, UTC+2= ) Hi all, MDT meeting, Thursday, October 5, 9:00-10:00 (CEST, UTC+2). Suggested agenda: * Final review of updated Radio Link model * https://github.com/ietf-ccamp-mw/IETF-CCAMP-Microwave-YANG-Data-Mo= del/tree/master/YANG%20Data%20Model/October%202017%20-%20draft-ietf-ccamp-m= w-yang-02 * Review of Excel sheet describing the mapping to standards and/or ONF = model * Final review of the material explaining the difference between an inf= ormation model and a data model * Final review of the updated Framework draft * Comments by Oct 5, the latest. 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Hi Daniela,

 

That was based on my understand= ing of the ONF model. You can just update the mapping to make it correct.

 

Regards

JonasA

 

From: Spreafico, Daniela (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) [mailto:daniela.spreafico@noki= a.com]
Sent: den 4 oktober 2017 16:21
To: Jonas Ahlberg <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com>; Yemin (Amy) &l= t;amy.yemin@huawei.com>; 'LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO' <luismiguel.= contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com>; 'Koji Kawada' <k-kawada@ah.jp.nec.c= om>; 'Ippei Akiyoshi (i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com) (i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.co= m)' <i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com>; 'Xi Li' <Xi.Li@neclab.eu>; cjbc@it= .uc3m.es
Cc: 'ccamp@ietf.org' <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: MDT meeting - YANG Data Model - October 5, 9:00-10:00 (= CEST, UTC+2)

 

Hi all,

I have a question about the IET= F-ONF mapping (for that is already done):

  • <= span lang=3D"EN-US">why the ‘IETF radio-link-terminal’ is assoc= iated to ONF ‘AirInterfaceDiversity’ ? As example : carrier-ter= minations à= AirInterfaceDiversityConfiguration/ airInterfaceLtpLi= st. In case of 1+1 radio configuration the Diversity is not the case.

 

Regards, Daniela

 

From: Jonas Ahlberg [mailto:jona= s.ahlberg@ericsson.com]
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 9:08 AM
To: Yemin (Amy) <amy.yemi= n@huawei.com>; 'LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO' <luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@te= lefonica.com>; 'Koji Kawada' <k-kawada@ah.jp.nec.com>; 'Ippei Akiyoshi (i-akiyoshi@ah= .jp.nec.com) (i-akiyoshi@ah= .jp.nec.com)' <i-akiyosh= i@ah.jp.nec.com>; 'Xi Li' <Xi.= Li@neclab.eu>; cjbc@it.uc3m.es; Spreafico, Daniela = (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) <d= aniela.spreafico@nokia.com>
Cc: 'ccamp@ietf.org' <ccamp@iet= f.org>
Subject: MDT meeting - YANG Data Model - October 5, 9:00-10:00 (CEST= , UTC+2)

 

Hi all,

 

MDT meeting, Thursday, October = 5, 9:00-10:00 (CEST, UTC+2).

 

Suggested agenda:

 

  • <= span lang=3D"EN-US">Review of Excel sheet describing the mapping to standar= ds and/or ONF model

 

  • <= span lang=3D"EN-US">Final review of the material explaining the difference = between an information model and a data model

 

  • <= span lang=3D"EN-US">Final review of the updated Framework draft
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 =

  • <= span lang=3D"EN-US">AOB

 

 

/JonasA

 

 

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This starts a two weeks poll on making [draft-tnbidt-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-03] a CCAMP working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not = support" and nice to have for the "support". The polling ends on October 9th , 2017. =20 Thanks Fatai & Daniele =20 =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, puede contener informaci=F3n privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. Si no es usted. el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la lectura, = utilizaci=F3n, divulgaci=F3n y/o copia sin autorizaci=F3n puede estar prohibida en = virtud de la legislaci=F3n vigente. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le rogamos = que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma v=EDa y proceda a su destrucci=F3n. 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+1 Support (also a = contributor to the work).

 

BR, Dan. =

 

From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Oscar Gonz=E1lez de Dios
Sent: 26 September 2017 = 16:13
To: Fatai Zhang <zhangfatai@huawei.com>; 'CCAMP' = <ccamp@ietf.org>
Cc: ccamp-chairs@ietf.org; = draft-tnbidt-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases@ietf.org
Subject: = Re: [CCAMP] WG adoption poll on = draft-tnbidt-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-03

=

 

Yes/Support

 

Best Regards,

 

Oscar 

=

 

De: = CCAMP <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org> on = behalf of Fatai Zhang <zhangfatai@huawei.com>
Fecha: lunes, 25 de septiembre de 2017, 4:35
Para: CCAMP = <ccamp@ietf.org>
CC: = "ccamp-chairs@ietf.org" = <ccamp-chairs@ietf.org>, = "draft= -tnbidt-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases@ietf.org" <draft= -tnbidt-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases@ietf.org>
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<= p class=3DMsoNormal> 

Hi = all,

We now = have the IPR declaration replies from all the authors/contributors and = no IPR was disclosed against this document.

This = starts a two weeks poll on making = [draft-tnbidt-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-03] a CCAMP working group = document.

Please = send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do = not support" and a motivation for your reply, mandatory for the = "not support" and nice to have for the = "support".

The = polling ends on October 9th , 2017.

 

Thanks

Fatai = & Daniele

 

 

 

 


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" NEW "Length: 2 octets, 16 bits." Regards, Greg On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind wrote: > Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-10: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. 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" > > Nit: > In section 3.1 you may actually specify the actual length value as done > for the type: > OLD > "Length: A 16 bits field that expresses the length of the TLV in > bytes. " > NEW > "Length: 4 (bytes), 16 bits." > > > --001a114af9c695ab50055ae41715 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mirja,
would the following be acceptable to address= your latter comment:
OLD
"Length: A = 16 bits field that expresses the length of the TLV in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0bytes. &= quot;
NEW
"Length: 2 octets, 16 bits."=

Regards,
Greg


On Thu, Oct 5, 2= 017 at 10:49 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind <ietf@kuehlewind.net> wrote:
Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered= the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-10: No Objection

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/<= wbr>statement/discuss-criteria.html
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


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-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----
COMMENT:
-----------------------------------------------------------------= -----

This could lead to random outcomes
"If multiple are present, only the first Availability
=C2=A0 =C2=A0SCSI-TLV for an availability level carried in the same ISCD SH= ALL be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0processed. "
I would suggest the following instead:
"If multiple are present, the Availability
=C2=A0 =C2=A0SCSI-TLV with the lowest bandwidth value SHALL be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0processed. "

Nit:
In section 3.1 you may actually specify the actual length value as done for= the type:
OLD
"Length: A 16 bits field that expresses the length of the TLV in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0bytes. "
NEW
"Length: 4 (bytes), 16 bits."



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(217.225.17.105) by kuehlewind.net with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 9 Oct 2017 10:15:17 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" In-Reply-To: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FC7590FDB@DGGEMA501-MBX.china.huawei.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:15:16 +0200 Cc: Greg Mirsky , "ccamp-chairs@ietf.org" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , Fatai Zhang , The IESG , "draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <150722574941.1338.17678983518705938171.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FC7590FDB@DGGEMA501-MBX.china.huawei.com> To: "Yemin (Amy)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-PPP-Message-ID: <20171009081517.21586.55111@lvps83-169-45-111.dedicated.hosteurope.de> X-PPP-Vhost: kuehlewind.net Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft?= =?utf-8?q?-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-10=3A_=28with_COMMENT?= =?utf-8?q?=29?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 08:21:19 -0000 Great. Thanks! > Am 09.10.2017 um 04:21 schrieb Yemin (Amy) : >=20 > Hi Mirja, > =20 > Thanks for the comments. > We will change according to the first comment. > For the second comment, I think Greg=E2=80=99s text is good. What do = you think? > =20 > BR, > Amy > From: Greg Mirsky [mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2017 1:23 AM > To: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind > Cc: The IESG ; = draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension@ietf.org; Fatai Zhang = ; ccamp-chairs@ietf.org; ccamp@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Mirja K=C3=BChlewind's No Objection on = draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-10: (with COMMENT) > =20 > Hi Mirja, > would the following be acceptable to address your latter comment: > OLD > "Length: A 16 bits field that expresses the length of the TLV in > bytes. " > NEW > "Length: 2 octets, 16 bits." > =20 > Regards, > Greg > =20 > =20 > On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Mirja K=C3=BChlewind = wrote: > Mirja K=C3=BChlewind has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-10: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extens= ion/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > This could lead to random outcomes > "If multiple are present, only the first Availability > SCSI-TLV for an availability level carried in the same ISCD SHALL = be > processed. " > I would suggest the following instead: > "If multiple are present, the Availability > SCSI-TLV with the lowest bandwidth value SHALL be > processed. " >=20 > Nit: > In section 3.1 you may actually specify the actual length value as = done for the type: > OLD > "Length: A 16 bits field that expresses the length of the TLV in > bytes. " > NEW > "Length: 4 (bytes), 16 bits." >=20 From nobody Mon Oct 9 02:15:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7A0134E2C; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 02:15:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ey00DkYcPOdG; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 02:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D06134E2A; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 02:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.41]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E56B1AE012C; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:15:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:13:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20171009.111354.2211060789355821652.mbj@tail-f.com> To: ccamp@ietf.org Cc: draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org, bclaise@cisco.com From: Martin Bjorklund X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:15:27 -0000 Hi, We have received quite a lot of emails indicating support for the draft "draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module". People are asking why nothing happens with this draft. It was decided that CCAMP might be the best place for this draft, but since then people have expressed that they rather want NETMOD to work on it. I sent this email to CCAMP but never got any feedback: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ccamp/f4qUNkpsT5dVF_1l9Ibd3hH1YA4/?qid=2187bb6a3443f12d15a29a03486f0754 It would be much appreciated if anyone in CCAMP that are also working on the generic alarm functionality in ITU could send feedback on this document. The document can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module /martin From nobody Mon Oct 9 02:27:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B91E134DD4; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 02:27:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k6JbDxK4WV3e; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 02:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E7BC134E26; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 02:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DXE42649; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:27:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.49) by lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:27:28 +0100 Received: from DGGEML501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.77]) by dggeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 17:27:20 +0800 From: Fatai Zhang To: "'CCAMP'" CC: "ccamp-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-tnbidt-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG adoption poll on draft-tnbidt-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-03 Thread-Index: AdM1puVvgByucBEjQGK8TX7hFFKfVwLOOpcw Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 09:27:19 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.74.163.186] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF8AB5B882DDGGEML501MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020205.59DB4101.005F, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.1.77, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: dbedbf66fabbe984fc8647ee1c93be55 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogV0cgYWRvcHRpb24gcG9sbCBvbiBkcmFmdC10?= =?gb2312?b?bmJpZHQtY2NhbXAtdHJhbnNwb3J0LW5iaS11c2UtY2FzZXMtMDM=?= X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:27:34 -0000 --_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF8AB5B882DDGGEML501MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGkgYWxsLA0KDQpUaGUgcG9sbCBpcyBjbG9zZWQgYW5kIHRoZSBkcmFmdCBpcyBhZG9wdGVkIGFz IENDQU1QIFdHIGRvY3VtZW50Lg0KQXV0aG9ycywgcGxlYXNlIHN1Ym1pdCB0aGUgZG9jdW1lbnQg YXM6IGRyYWZ0LWlldGYtY2NhbXAtdHJhbnNwb3J0LW5iaS11c2UtY2FzZXMtMDAgd2l0aG91dCBh bnkgY2hhbmdlcyBidXQgdGhlIGRyYWZ0IG5hbWUgYW5kIHRoZSBkYXRlLg0KDQoNClRoYW5rcw0K RmF0YWkgJiBEYW5pZWxlDQoNCg0KDQq3orz+yMs6IENDQU1QIFttYWlsdG86Y2NhbXAtYm91bmNl c0BpZXRmLm9yZ10gtPqx7SBGYXRhaSBaaGFuZw0Kt6LLzcqxvOQ6IDIwMTfE6jnUwjI1yNUgMTA6 MzUNCsrVvP7IyzogJ0NDQU1QJw0Ks63LzTogY2NhbXAtY2hhaXJzQGlldGYub3JnOyBkcmFmdC10 bmJpZHQtY2NhbXAtdHJhbnNwb3J0LW5iaS11c2UtY2FzZXNAaWV0Zi5vcmcNCtb3zOI6IFtDQ0FN UF0gV0cgYWRvcHRpb24gcG9sbCBvbiBkcmFmdC10bmJpZHQtY2NhbXAtdHJhbnNwb3J0LW5iaS11 c2UtY2FzZXMtMDMNCg0KSGkgYWxsLA0KV2Ugbm93IGhhdmUgdGhlIElQUiBkZWNsYXJhdGlvbiBy ZXBsaWVzIGZyb20gYWxsIHRoZSBhdXRob3JzL2NvbnRyaWJ1dG9ycyBhbmQgbm8gSVBSIHdhcyBk aXNjbG9zZWQgYWdhaW5zdCB0aGlzIGRvY3VtZW50Lg0KVGhpcyBzdGFydHMgYSB0d28gd2Vla3Mg cG9sbCBvbiBtYWtpbmcgW2RyYWZ0LXRuYmlkdC1jY2FtcC10cmFuc3BvcnQtbmJpLXVzZS1jYXNl cy0wM10gYSBDQ0FNUCB3b3JraW5nIGdyb3VwIGRvY3VtZW50Lg0KUGxlYXNlIHNlbmQgZW1haWwg dG8gdGhlIGxpc3QgaW5kaWNhdGluZyAieWVzL3N1cHBvcnQiIG9yICJuby9kbyBub3Qgc3VwcG9y dCIgYW5kIGEgbW90aXZhdGlvbiBmb3IgeW91ciByZXBseSwgbWFuZGF0b3J5IGZvciB0aGUgIm5v dCBzdXBwb3J0IiBhbmQgbmljZSB0byBoYXZlIGZvciB0aGUgInN1cHBvcnQiLg0KVGhlIHBvbGxp bmcgZW5kcyBvbiBPY3RvYmVyIDl0aCAsIDIwMTcuDQoNClRoYW5rcw0KRmF0YWkgJiBEYW5pZWxl DQoNCg0KDQo= --_000_F82A4B6D50F9464B8EBA55651F541CF8AB5B882DDGGEML501MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

The poll is closed and the dra= ft is adopted as CCAMP WG document.

Authors, please submit the doc= ument as: draft-ietf-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-00 without any changes b= ut the draft name and the date.

 

 

Thanks

Fatai & Daniele=

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Hi all,

We now have the IPR declaratio= n replies from all the authors/contributors and no IPR was disclosed agains= t this document.

This starts a two weeks poll o= n making [draft-tnbidt-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-03] a CCAMP working gr= oup document.

Please send email to the list = indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support" and a m= otivation for your reply, mandatory for the "not support" and nic= e to have for the "support".

The polling ends on October 9<= sup>th , 2017.

 

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Mon, 9 Oct 2017 09:32:08 GMT To: Martin Bjorklund , ccamp@ietf.org Cc: draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org, "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" References: <20171009.111354.2211060789355821652.mbj@tail-f.com> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <75ba97f8-541c-9021-48a7-9eb28701c32e@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:32:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171009.111354.2211060789355821652.mbj@tail-f.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:32:13 -0000 Dear all, I'm also interested to see if CCAMP people are really interested to provide feedback... Regards, Benoit > Hi, > > We have received quite a lot of emails indicating support for the > draft "draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module". People are asking why > nothing happens with this draft. > > It was decided that CCAMP might be the best place for this draft, but > since then people have expressed that they rather want NETMOD to work > on it. > > I sent this email to CCAMP but never got any feedback: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ccamp/f4qUNkpsT5dVF_1l9Ibd3hH1YA4/?qid=2187bb6a3443f12d15a29a03486f0754 > > It would be much appreciated if anyone in CCAMP that are also working > on the generic alarm functionality in ITU could send feedback on this > document. > > The document can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module > > > /martin > . > From nobody Mon Oct 9 06:28:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBEE1343C3; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 06:28:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Since none of the two thing= s happened it is quite difficult to have people in CCAMP noticing it, revie= wing it and providing comments.=20 BR Daniele =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin > Bjorklund > Sent: luned=EC 9 ottobre 2017 11:14 > To: ccamp@ietf.org > Cc: bclaise@cisco.com; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org > Subject: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again >=20 > Hi, >=20 > We have received quite a lot of emails indicating support for the draft "= draft- > vallin-netmod-alarm-module". People are asking why nothing happens with > this draft. >=20 > It was decided that CCAMP might be the best place for this draft, but sin= ce > then people have expressed that they rather want NETMOD to work on it. >=20 > I sent this email to CCAMP but never got any feedback: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ccamp/f4qUNkpsT5dVF_1l9Ibd3hH1Y > A4/?qid=3D2187bb6a3443f12d15a29a03486f0754 >=20 > It would be much appreciated if anyone in CCAMP that are also working on > the generic alarm functionality in ITU could send feedback on this docume= nt. >=20 > The document can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From nobody Mon Oct 9 06:41:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFCA134530; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 06:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qF3QPeUHj6zX; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 06:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD0A133032; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 06:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.41]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BB92F1AE0402; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 15:41:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 15:40:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20171009.154023.15865767454654275.mbj@tail-f.com> To: daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, bclaise@cisco.com, draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: References: <20171009.111354.2211060789355821652.mbj@tail-f.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 13:41:55 -0000 Hi, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Martin, > = > what was agreed was to have the draft re-published as a CCAMP draft > and then presented at IETF99 during the CCAMP session. Ok, but this was not communicated to the authors. See the email that I quoted in my last email, to which I never got a reply. Re. re-publishing as CCAMP draft, doesn't the WG first have to formally adopt it? Maybe the process is different in other WGs, but I'm used to a process where the WG first review the document, then adopt it. > Since none of the two things happened it is quite difficult to have > people in CCAMP noticing it, reviewing it and providing comments. The draft is out there (the individual version), and we would still appreciate feedback on the content! /martin > = > BR > Daniele = > = > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin > > Bjorklund > > Sent: luned=EC 9 ottobre 2017 11:14 > > To: ccamp@ietf.org > > Cc: bclaise@cisco.com; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org > > Subject: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again > > = > > Hi, > > = > > We have received quite a lot of emails indicating support for the d= raft "draft- > > vallin-netmod-alarm-module". People are asking why nothing happens= with > > this draft. > > = > > It was decided that CCAMP might be the best place for this draft, b= ut since > > then people have expressed that they rather want NETMOD to work on = it. > > = > > I sent this email to CCAMP but never got any feedback: > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ccamp/f4qUNkpsT5dVF_1l9Ibd3hH= 1Y > > A4/?qid=3D2187bb6a3443f12d15a29a03486f0754 > > = > > It would be much appreciated if anyone in CCAMP that are also worki= ng on > > the generic alarm functionality in ITU could send feedback on this = document. > > = > > The document can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module > > = > > = > > /martin > > = > > _______________________________________________ > > CCAMP mailing list > > CCAMP@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > = From nobody Mon Oct 9 06:54:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE84C12008A; 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We never spoke of a straight adoption without any WG polling, IPR declarati= ons and so on. Both the Netmod chairs and the routing AD said in their opinion the draft s= hould have been moved to CCAMP and the authors have been copied in all of t= he email exchanges. BR Daniele (not speaking for both the CCAMP chairs) > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com] > Sent: luned=EC 9 ottobre 2017 15:40 > To: Daniele Ceccarelli > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; bclaise@cisco.com; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm- > module@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > > Martin, > > > > what was agreed was to have the draft re-published as a CCAMP draft > > and then presented at IETF99 during the CCAMP session. >=20 > Ok, but this was not communicated to the authors. See the email that I > quoted in my last email, to which I never got a reply. >=20 > Re. re-publishing as CCAMP draft, doesn't the WG first have to formally > adopt it? Maybe the process is different in other WGs, but I'm used to a > process where the WG first review the document, then adopt it. >=20 > > Since none of the two things happened it is quite difficult to have > > people in CCAMP noticing it, reviewing it and providing comments. >=20 > The draft is out there (the individual version), and we would still appre= ciate > feedback on the content! >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 >=20 > > > > BR > > Daniele > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin > > > Bjorklund > > > Sent: luned=EC 9 ottobre 2017 11:14 > > > To: ccamp@ietf.org > > > Cc: bclaise@cisco.com; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org > > > Subject: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > We have received quite a lot of emails indicating support for the > > > draft "draft- vallin-netmod-alarm-module". People are asking why > > > nothing happens with this draft. > > > > > > It was decided that CCAMP might be the best place for this draft, > > > but since then people have expressed that they rather want NETMOD to > work on it. > > > > > > I sent this email to CCAMP but never got any feedback: > > > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ccamp/f4qUNkpsT5dVF_1l9Ibd3hH1 > > > Y > > > A4/?qid=3D2187bb6a3443f12d15a29a03486f0754 > > > > > > It would be much appreciated if anyone in CCAMP that are also > > > working on the generic alarm functionality in ITU could send feedback= on > this document. > > > > > > The document can be found here: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > CCAMP mailing list > > > CCAMP@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > From nobody Mon Oct 9 06:59:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 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localhost (unknown [173.38.220.41]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B2181AE0402; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:09:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20171009.160747.1781389533011728712.mbj@tail-f.com> To: daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, bclaise@cisco.com, draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: References: <20171009.154023.15865767454654275.mbj@tail-f.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 14:09:20 -0000 Hi, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Martin, > = > published in CCAMP means to publish it as: > draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module, Again; this has not been communicated to the authors. We have not seen an email where this was stated. Do you think that we will get feedback from the people in the CCAMP WG that also work on general alarm functionality in the ITU if we post it as draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module? If so, we'll do that. /martin > i.e. an individual contribution in CCAMP, showing up on CCAMP page, n= ot a CCAMP WG draft. > = > We never spoke of a straight adoption without any WG polling, IPR dec= larations and so on. > Both the Netmod chairs and the routing AD said in their opinion the d= raft should have been moved to CCAMP and the authors have been copied i= n all of the email exchanges. > = > BR > Daniele (not speaking for both the CCAMP chairs) > = > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com] > > Sent: luned=EC 9 ottobre 2017 15:40 > > To: Daniele Ceccarelli > > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; bclaise@cisco.com; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm- > > module@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again > > = > > Hi, > > = > > Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > > > Martin, > > > > > > what was agreed was to have the draft re-published as a CCAMP dra= ft > > > and then presented at IETF99 during the CCAMP session. > > = > > Ok, but this was not communicated to the authors. See the email th= at I > > quoted in my last email, to which I never got a reply. > > = > > Re. re-publishing as CCAMP draft, doesn't the WG first have to form= ally > > adopt it? Maybe the process is different in other WGs, but I'm use= d to a > > process where the WG first review the document, then adopt it. > > = > > > Since none of the two things happened it is quite difficult to ha= ve > > > people in CCAMP noticing it, reviewing it and providing comments.= > > = > > The draft is out there (the individual version), and we would still= appreciate > > feedback on the content! > > = > > = > > /martin > > = > > = > > > > > > BR > > > Daniele > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin= > > > > Bjorklund > > > > Sent: luned=EC 9 ottobre 2017 11:14 > > > > To: ccamp@ietf.org > > > > Cc: bclaise@cisco.com; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.or= g > > > > Subject: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We have received quite a lot of emails indicating support for t= he > > > > draft "draft- vallin-netmod-alarm-module". People are asking w= hy > > > > nothing happens with this draft. > > > > > > > > It was decided that CCAMP might be the best place for this draf= t, > > > > but since then people have expressed that they rather want NETM= OD to > > work on it. > > > > > > > > I sent this email to CCAMP but never got any feedback: > > > > > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ccamp/f4qUNkpsT5dVF_1l9Ibd3hH= 1 > > > > Y > > > > A4/?qid=3D2187bb6a3443f12d15a29a03486f0754 > > > > > > > > It would be much appreciated if anyone in CCAMP that are also > > > > working on the generic alarm functionality in ITU could send fe= edback on > > this document. > > > > > > > > The document can be found here: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-modu= le > > > > > > > > > > > > /martin > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > CCAMP mailing list > > > > CCAMP@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > > = From nobody Mon Oct 9 07:14:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089B31321AC; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:14:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PjFfp7bKV2XQ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72D4E133032; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:14:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3276; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1507558479; x=1508768079; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cI4kkHqbM8yU/3RoytqymL+lOcws2jwziyEkfnqpLWo=; b=dBBrvAWeDCLdWcI8PpOVThIU1kx3oYdzp68C7Ebz5K8A937/CRkqJUso +pIJ2gzS+eONDW8QrxpKJZ+QKfxnqIUrOdbj4QmUqoT6K4vV9SKGjexXo ViUMkkzrcGCnseQCFApCGGoWdHi/vHtRAjszBCtEXRBUbQd7NGIkFyW63 k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DEAQD9gttZ/xbLJq1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBgzCBEW4ng3qLE5AUMgkili8OggQKGAuFGAKEdxYBAgEBAQEBAQF?= =?us-ascii?q?rKIUYAQEBAQMBASEPAQU2CwwECxEEAQEBAgIjAwICJx8JCAYBDAYCAQGKLBCoF?= =?us-ascii?q?IInizABAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEYBYEOgh+DU4IVC4JzhFEBEgGDMoJ?= =?us-ascii?q?hAQShNYdejQmCFIVvg1qHLo19h12BOSYCL4EDCzIhCB0VSYUaHIFpPjaHNoI0A?= =?us-ascii?q?QEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.42,500,1500940800"; d="scan'208";a="655344943" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 09 Oct 2017 14:14:37 +0000 Received: from [10.55.221.36] (ams-bclaise-nitro3.cisco.com [10.55.221.36]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v99EEbwl028752; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 14:14:37 GMT To: Daniele Ceccarelli , Martin Bjorklund Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org" References: <20171009.111354.2211060789355821652.mbj@tail-f.com> <20171009.154023.15865767454654275.mbj@tail-f.com> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <9b0cb056-1ab5-71b1-4034-2e6d82291549@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:14:37 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 14:14:42 -0000 Daniele, I'm with Martin here. Can we please focus on having the right content and the right feedback, before focusing on the process. Regards, Benoit > Martin, > > published in CCAMP means to publish it as: draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module, i.e. an individual contribution in CCAMP, showing up on CCAMP page, not a CCAMP WG draft. > > We never spoke of a straight adoption without any WG polling, IPR declarations and so on. > Both the Netmod chairs and the routing AD said in their opinion the draft should have been moved to CCAMP and the authors have been copied in all of the email exchanges. > > BR > Daniele (not speaking for both the CCAMP chairs) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com] >> Sent: lunedì 9 ottobre 2017 15:40 >> To: Daniele Ceccarelli >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; bclaise@cisco.com; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm- >> module@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again >> >> Hi, >> >> Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: >>> Martin, >>> >>> what was agreed was to have the draft re-published as a CCAMP draft >>> and then presented at IETF99 during the CCAMP session. >> Ok, but this was not communicated to the authors. See the email that I >> quoted in my last email, to which I never got a reply. >> >> Re. re-publishing as CCAMP draft, doesn't the WG first have to formally >> adopt it? Maybe the process is different in other WGs, but I'm used to a >> process where the WG first review the document, then adopt it. >> >>> Since none of the two things happened it is quite difficult to have >>> people in CCAMP noticing it, reviewing it and providing comments. >> The draft is out there (the individual version), and we would still appreciate >> feedback on the content! >> >> >> /martin >> >> >>> BR >>> Daniele >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin >>>> Bjorklund >>>> Sent: lunedì 9 ottobre 2017 11:14 >>>> To: ccamp@ietf.org >>>> Cc: bclaise@cisco.com; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org >>>> Subject: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> We have received quite a lot of emails indicating support for the >>>> draft "draft- vallin-netmod-alarm-module". People are asking why >>>> nothing happens with this draft. >>>> >>>> It was decided that CCAMP might be the best place for this draft, >>>> but since then people have expressed that they rather want NETMOD to >> work on it. >>>> I sent this email to CCAMP but never got any feedback: >>>> >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ccamp/f4qUNkpsT5dVF_1l9Ibd3hH1 >>>> Y >>>> A4/?qid=2187bb6a3443f12d15a29a03486f0754 >>>> >>>> It would be much appreciated if anyone in CCAMP that are also >>>> working on the generic alarm functionality in ITU could send feedback on >> this document. >>>> The document can be found here: >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module >>>> >>>> >>>> /martin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CCAMP mailing list >>>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > . > From nobody Mon Oct 9 07:29:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: 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(PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAE913422B; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.41]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EF45E1AE0402; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:42:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:41:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20171009.164118.2166970881024269758.mbj@tail-f.com> To: daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com Cc: bclaise@cisco.com, ccamp@ietf.org, draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: References: <9b0cb056-1ab5-71b1-4034-2e6d82291549@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 14:42:50 -0000 Hi, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Martin, Benoit, > = > i can't force the WG to review a draft (even if we got feedbacks last= > time and we just had another reply from Haomian earlier today). > What I can say is that there are more chances to have the working > group review a ccamp draft than a netmod draft and even more if the > draft is presented during a meeting. Ok. But do we agree that the reason for potentially doing this work in CCAMP is b/c there are people active in CCAMP that also work on generic alarm functionality in the ITU? The reason I ask this is that after we had the previous discussion re. the home of this draft, several people have asked why it isn't done in NETMOD, and expressed the opinion that it should be done there. Reading the CCAMP charter, it is not clear to me how this document would fit. So it would be very valuable to get some feedback indicating that people that also work with alarms in ITU are interested in this work. /martin > BR > Daniele = > = > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com] > > Sent: luned=EC 9 ottobre 2017 16:15 > > To: Daniele Ceccarelli ; Martin > > Bjorklund > > > > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again > > = > > Daniele, > > = > > I'm with Martin here. Can we please focus on having the right conte= nt > > and > > the right feedback, before focusing on the process. > > = > > Regards, Benoit > > > Martin, > > > > > > published in CCAMP means to publish it as: draft-vallin-ccamp-ala= rm- > > module, i.e. an individual contribution in CCAMP, showing up on CCA= MP > > page, not a CCAMP WG draft. > > > > > > We never spoke of a straight adoption without any WG polling, IPR= > > declarations and so on. > > > Both the Netmod chairs and the routing AD said in their opinion t= he > > > draft > > should have been moved to CCAMP and the authors have been copied in= > > all > > of the email exchanges. > > > > > > BR > > > Daniele (not speaking for both the CCAMP chairs) > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com] > > >> Sent: luned=EC 9 ottobre 2017 15:40 > > >> To: Daniele Ceccarelli > > >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; bclaise@cisco.com; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm= - > > >> module@ietf.org > > >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > > >>> Martin, > > >>> > > >>> what was agreed was to have the draft re-published as a CCAMP d= raft > > >>> and then presented at IETF99 during the CCAMP session. > > >> Ok, but this was not communicated to the authors. See the email= that > > >> I quoted in my last email, to which I never got a reply. > > >> > > >> Re. re-publishing as CCAMP draft, doesn't the WG first have to > > >> formally adopt it? Maybe the process is different in other WGs,= but > > >> I'm used to a process where the WG first review the document, th= en > > adopt it. > > >> > > >>> Since none of the two things happened it is quite difficult to = have > > >>> people in CCAMP noticing it, reviewing it and providing comment= s. > > >> The draft is out there (the individual version), and we would st= ill > > >> appreciate feedback on the content! > > >> > > >> > > >> /martin > > >> > > >> > > >>> BR > > >>> Daniele > > >>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Marti= n > > >>>> Bjorklund > > >>>> Sent: luned=EC 9 ottobre 2017 11:14 > > >>>> To: ccamp@ietf.org > > >>>> Cc: bclaise@cisco.com; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.o= rg > > >>>> Subject: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again > > >>>> > > >>>> Hi, > > >>>> > > >>>> We have received quite a lot of emails indicating support for = the > > >>>> draft "draft- vallin-netmod-alarm-module". People are asking = why > > >>>> nothing happens with this draft. > > >>>> > > >>>> It was decided that CCAMP might be the best place for this dra= ft, > > >>>> but since then people have expressed that they rather want NET= MOD > > >>>> to > > >> work on it. > > >>>> I sent this email to CCAMP but never got any feedback: > > >>>> > > >> > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ccamp/f4qUNkpsT5dVF_1l9Ibd3hH= 1 > > >>>> Y > > >>>> A4/?qid=3D2187bb6a3443f12d15a29a03486f0754 > > >>>> > > >>>> It would be much appreciated if anyone in CCAMP that are also > > >>>> working on the generic alarm functionality in ITU could send > > >>>> feedback on > > >> this document. > > >>>> The document can be found here: > > >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-mod= ule > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> /martin > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> CCAMP mailing list > > >>>> CCAMP@ietf.org > > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > > > . > > > > = From nobody Mon Oct 9 09:57:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7751346E9 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=wallan-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VFKpQ5AK2SIE for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 09:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x229.google.com (mail-lf0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 887191346EB for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 09:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x229.google.com with SMTP id g70so12484375lfl.3 for ; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:57:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wallan-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references :to; bh=iDGVS7o+UfyOncUNMQBQgNGjJsFwuUjGixKNsi94MC0=; b=0+OxyWTeU8YePyRj+XKTQImcCr/ONcxDwxWDlPcHcIhnY2XgRhdIFfniWNqu9/w4GV SyZk0BgoNRFSSUuGmkZXk4FypP79r/oHNk46Ma145EbFDNzP7KZpJVXsVESuiXWctxvO W8Xo9GgHs2jlulQvCjiUsaRy1+qUlyg/XNzoSNlZvcQO8dLJj53AfqbhFauhlTrIgXle ZZuHU0KIirxSmrroia40sKcDtr4lOmQ6k8iYoepjIxnKyFNM1Y8REQEHbkvP4hsvgM82 KPCioKfgPflxrbTnBUoxpOvH34kTuPCTh2LPUJeh4EdG6hotZQsUawJQ4hd2x+MbmvFk B9mg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=iDGVS7o+UfyOncUNMQBQgNGjJsFwuUjGixKNsi94MC0=; b=PykZhVioFUuMCODMFytkgH8vqv7Z9euCrBTDC/UxnSuJiTVSJ0m+E0P1dt3J+ZGeZs xp8kaYE+jVi48i0c5YjqtHlHmqoK51XaW2wW2TZhPSZCC+JXMmNSlQASNebj8+RI0Mzv EpCnKCv7vt1utNu+uXr1QdKDO3fxkxXxPvkXRfAfJOmwAHtmnEoRcouWctMDGwYH2OdY lBVHj7w2pXPc+DipYcyj0oRdbvKz5fOWvuOSVNHBnZnrM0j6wufl4ZVMNz5U98lZcXAN v/uOFdyWbVR2bKUuh5f4CQZiZhJBKr+wlwc3+FZbY3rgWf2hx2XQE7mvdq/B4Mtb6RK1 GqTw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaXMSPUjx7v4X83ewLgh1c/KXHbVmcBXwBysXVPHiZuHqfiBZRMm m3No+YFLgoVEm2ARiCbbfj5neQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QA2osYAGgswc5Txpubqeo2nzjeRRemke/BC7jcvthCtA7+Zvelod+rm/unJ/2hYCRQJ1HYAmA== X-Received: by 10.25.80.74 with SMTP id z10mr3811907lfj.76.1507568242127; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.231] (h95-155-236-198.cust.se.alltele.net. [95.155.236.198]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d82sm1433482lfl.32.2017.10.09.09.57.20 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_12ABE875-07D4-436D-AAFB-85AE2824B42F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: stefan vallin In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 18:57:19 +0200 Cc: Martin Bjorklund , "ccamp@ietf.org" , "bclaise@cisco.com" , "draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org" Message-Id: <132EEA7F-6D1F-4F92-B311-B82799C2147D@wallan.se> References: <20171009.111354.2211060789355821652.mbj@tail-f.com> To: Zhenghaomian X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:57:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_12ABE875-07D4-436D-AAFB-85AE2824B42F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi All! Please see two responses I wrote last year: * 31 oct 2016: Comparison of Vallin and Sharma Draft * 12 dec 2016: Comment on the ITU-T reference. Vallin vs Sharma ********************** Overall comments =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D *The sharma draft is a subset of the functionality in the vallin draft. On top of the alarm-list, the vallin draft covers: - alarm quality/usability requirements - alarm summary - alarm history (optional YANG feature) - alarm operator actions like ack (optional YANG feature) - alarm inventory (which are the possible alarms) - alarm shelving (filtering) - do not impose X733, rather this is an add-on * Stateful vs notification-based definition of alarms. =20 The vallin draft focuses on representing alarms as an alarm state on a = resource. The notifications refers to alarm state changes for a specific alarm on = a specific resource. The alarm list represents the alarm state for a given resource and alarm = type. The sharma draft focuses on a notification focused view on alarms. The alarm list represents the alarm notifications. The management system = has to correlate the notifications into an actual alarm state. * On X733 The vallin draft does not use the X733 as a mandatory *core* model, = rather it allows for X733 mapping when needed.=20 While X733 has been the root for most telecom oriented alarm systems, it = adds a bit of historic overhead. For example globally standardised probable cause values have not shown = to be useful in some cases. X733 represents notifications and not state (see above). Therefore an alarm is either cleared or minor for example. The vallin draft clearly separates this. Severity is one thing, = clearance is another. * Terminology the module is named =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D while modelling alarms. See for example X733 for definitions of fault, errror and alarm. Detailed comments =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Section 2 " New network architectures that include controllers, orchestrators, PCE, applications, etc., require new alarm types and probable causes to be defined. These new alarm types and probable causes will be defined in the next version of the model.=E2=80=9D We doubt that having globally defined probable causes is a scalable way = forward. Did not work well in X733 or RFC3877. Probable cause values from standards has been more of historical value = then real value to alarm operators and alarm systems. Most telecom oriented alarm = systems require this alarm attribute. However the actual values are different = for all management systems. It is a confusing area with conflicting enum values. Our = approach is different. We consider this to be a configurable mapping to match the needs of the = management system and no values are defined in the alarm module. It is also kept separate as a X733 mapping rather than part of the core = model. Section 2.2 The definition of 'alarm-id' is unclear.=20 "In most cases this will be a combination of entity-type, entity-id, probable-cause and severity=E2=80=9D entity-type: string entity-id: inet:uri probable-cause: identity-ref severity: enum Several questions on this: a) why does not the entity (called resource in the vallin draft) refer = to a path in the YANG data tree? In the vallin draft we use an instance-identifier. We also allow for = other resource instances based on SNMP or even a string as last resort. b) Alarm list key - assume you have a threshold alarm with the following life-cycle: T1, T2, T3, are the times for the alarm state changes. T1: raise, minor T2: major T3: clear In the sharma draft this will be *three different entries* in the alarm = list. The client would have to correlate those. In the vallin draft this is *one entry*, one alarm, with three different = states. The vallin draft also clearly separates the severity from the clearance = state. The final state model is (major, cleared) This is important, what was the severity of the alarm and is it cleared = or not? This is not easily seen in the sharma draft. This implies that the sharma draft alarm list is more of a notification = log rather than an=20 alarm-list that shows the current state. The vallin draft alarm-list = focuses on current state of the alarms. Notifications represent state changes on the alarm state. c) the service-affecting flag This is superfluous. If the X733 severity levels are set correctly this = is enough for service-affecting or not. See the X733 definition of severity levels. The vallin draft also has a leaf impacted-resources. In this leaf an = alarm can refer to affected/impacted services. d) alarm-sequence number Not needed, NETCONF has notification replay and uses SSH sessions. Furthermore, since the sharma alarm list key is the identification of an = alarm notification, why is this needed at all? There has been these kinds of var-binds in SNMP Alarm MIBs as well, it = was a bit flawed there as well: you could use informs instead of = trap-pdus. How does this work with filtering mechanisms? Do not try to do protocol stuff in the model. e) House-keeping Unclear how the list is managed, when are entries removed? f) Other considerations: - The vallin draft allows for more flexible resource (entity) = identification, see below: The primary mechanism is an instance-identifier so that a node in the = data-tree can be referenced The sharma draft uses string/uri which is another domain than the = module. A bit strange, say you have an interface alarm, why should you not send an alarm on the path to = interface in the data-model. The Vallin draft also allows for other naming schemes, for example SNMP = OIDs: typedef resource { type union { type instance-identifier { require-instance false; } type yang:object-identifier; type string; } The alarm also has an optional leaf for referring to the alarming = resource using an alternate naming scheme +--ro alarm* [resource alarm-type-id alarm-type-qualifier] +--ro resource resource +--ro alarm-type-id alarm-type-id +--ro alarm-type-qualifier alarm-type-qualifier +--ro alt-resource* resource So the alarm can use both the instance-identifer and the SNMP OID for = the alarming interface for example. ITU-T **************** First of all, I need to stress the fact that we carefully *did not* do = the module design based on X.733. There is a *separate*, optional, module to map to X733 which is still = relevant for *some* management platforms. So I do not really agree on that top-level comment. But also note that G.7710 and G.806 are not replacing X.733. X.733 = defines the information model for *alarm reporting* along with the ASN.1 data definitions. G.7710 and = G.806 defines the equipment fault management functions that leads to alarm reporting at the end. The alarm = list functions and alarm notifications are not defined by G.7710 and G.806 to my knowledge. G.806 Not so much related to general alarm management, this is more specifying = instrumentation and=20 behaviour for transmission alarm types like LOS, AIS etc. G.7710 * Alarm Report Control maps to alarm shelving in the vallin alarm yang = model. We could rename to ARC. Will do a detailed study if it maps 100% or if there is = missing pieces. * Alarm Severity Assignment Profile, configurable severity levels could = be introduced.=20 I doubt this being useful however. That is more for the management = application itself rather than=20 configuring on the device. But if you see requirements and scenarios for = that, we can add it. RFC7260 We need to make sure all requirements are covered. I think we are fine.=20= Requirements on alarm filters, avoiding spurious alarms etc are covered RFC5860 See above. So in summary, there would be very little work to reference=20 RFC7260, RFC5860, G.7710, G.806. There are no big missing pieces, more on terminology especially ARC. Stefan Vallin stefan@wallan.se +46705233262 > On 09 Oct 2017, at 11:28, Zhenghaomian = wrote: >=20 > Hello Martin,=20 >=20 > Great to see this work brought back, actually we are interested and = looking forward to see this work progress in IETF 99 but there was no = presentation and we failed to find any of the co-authors of this draft.=20= >=20 > We had similar idea about the alarm work and there was one draft = published as = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sharma-netmod-fault-model-01 . we have = reviewed both this draft and draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module, and would = like to drive on merging into one. It was observed that draft-vallin is = more complete than draft-sharma, but the only problem is that the = reference to ITU-T work is too old. We are also seeking for some support = from ITU side, so that we can update the draft after there were = agreement.=20 >=20 > Please feel free to comment if you have other ideas, thank you.=20 >=20 > Best wishes, > Haomian >=20 > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Martin Bjorklund > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=889=E6=97=A5= 17:14 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: ccamp@ietf.org > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: bclaise@cisco.com; = draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again >=20 > Hi, >=20 > We have received quite a lot of emails indicating support for the = draft "draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module". People are asking why nothing = happens with this draft. >=20 > It was decided that CCAMP might be the best place for this draft, but = since then people have expressed that they rather want NETMOD to work on = it. >=20 > I sent this email to CCAMP but never got any feedback: > = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ccamp/f4qUNkpsT5dVF_1l9Ibd3hH1YA4/?q= id=3D2187bb6a3443f12d15a29a03486f0754 >=20 > It would be much appreciated if anyone in CCAMP that are also working = on the generic alarm functionality in ITU could send feedback on this = document. >=20 > The document can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module >=20 >=20 > /martin >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --Apple-Mail=_12ABE875-07D4-436D-AAFB-85AE2824B42F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi All!
Please see two responses I wrote last = year:
* 31 oct 2016: Comparison of Vallin and = Sharma Draft
* 12 dec 2016: Comment on the ITU-T = reference.

Vallin vs Sharma
**********************

Overall comments
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
*The sharma draft is a subset of the = functionality in the vallin draft.
On top of the alarm-list, the vallin draft covers:
- alarm quality/usability requirements
- = alarm summary
- alarm history (optional YANG = feature)
- alarm operator actions like ack = (optional YANG feature)
- alarm inventory (which are = the possible alarms)
- alarm shelving = (filtering)
- do not impose X733, rather this is = an add-on

* = Stateful vs notification-based definition of alarms.
 
The vallin draft focuses on representing = alarms as an alarm state on a resource.
The notifications refers to alarm state changes for a specific alarm = on a specific resource.
The alarm list represents = the alarm state for a given resource and alarm type.

The sharma draft focuses on = a notification focused view on alarms.
The alarm list represents the alarm notifications. The management = system has to
correlate the notifications into an = actual alarm state.

* On X733
The vallin draft does not = use the X733 as a mandatory *core* model, rather it allows for X733 = mapping when needed. 
While X733 has been the = root for most telecom oriented alarm systems, it adds a bit of historic = overhead.
For example globally standardised probable = cause values have not shown to be useful in some cases.
X733 represents notifications and not state (see = above).
Therefore an alarm is either cleared or = minor for example.
The vallin draft clearly = separates this. Severity is one thing, clearance is another.

* = Terminology
the module is named =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80= =9D while modelling alarms.
See for example X733 for definitions of fault, errror and = alarm.



Detailed = comments
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Section 2
"  New = network architectures that include controllers, orchestrators,
  =  PCE, applications, etc., require new alarm types and probable = causes
   to be defined.  These new alarm types and = probable causes will be
   defined in the next version of the = model.=E2=80=9D

We doubt that having = globally defined probable causes is a scalable way forward.
Did not work = well in X733 or RFC3877.

Probable cause values = from standards has been more of historical value then real
value to = alarm operators and alarm systems. Most telecom oriented alarm = systems
require this alarm attribute. However the actual values are = different for all management
systems. It is a = confusing area with conflicting enum values. Our approach is = different.
We consider this to be a configurable mapping to match the needs = of the management
system and no values are defined in the alarm = module.
It is also kept separate as a X733 mapping rather than part of = the core model.


Section = 2.2

The definition of 'alarm-id' is = unclear. 
"In most cases this will be a combination of entity-type, = entity-id,
probable-cause and severity=E2=80=9D

entity-type: = string
entity-id: inet:uri
probable-cause: = identity-ref
severity: enum

Several questions on = this:
a) why does not the entity (called resource in the vallin draft) = refer to a path in the YANG data tree?
In the vallin draft we = use an instance-identifier. We also allow for other resource instances = based on SNMP or even a string as last resort.

b) Alarm list = key
- assume you have a threshold alarm with the following = life-cycle:
  T1, T2, T3, are the times for the alarm state = changes.
  T1: raise, minor
  T2: = major
  T3: clear

In the sharma draft this = will be  *three different entries* in the alarm list. The = client
would have to correlate those.

In the vallin = draft this is *one entry*, one alarm, with three different = states.
The vallin draft also clearly separates the severity from the = clearance state.
The final state model is
(major, = cleared)
This is important, what was the severity of the alarm and is it = cleared or not?
This is not easily seen in the sharma draft.

This implies that the sharma draft alarm list is more of a = notification log rather than an 
alarm-list that shows = the current state. The vallin draft  alarm-list focuses on current = state
of the alarms. Notifications represent state changes on the alarm = state.

c) the service-affecting flag
This is superfluous. If = the X733 severity levels are set correctly this is enough for
service-affecting or not. See the X733 definition of severity = levels.
The vallin draft also has a leaf impacted-resources. In this leaf = an alarm can refer to
affected/impacted services.

d) = alarm-sequence number
Not needed, NETCONF has notification replay and = uses SSH sessions.
Furthermore, since the sharma alarm list key is the = identification of an alarm notification, why is this needed at = all?
There has been these kinds of var-binds in SNMP Alarm MIBs as = well, it was a bit flawed there as well: you could use informs instead = of trap-pdus. How does this work with filtering mechanisms?
Do not try to = do protocol stuff in the model.


e) House-keeping
Unclear how the list is = managed, when are entries removed?


f) Other considerations:
- The vallin draft = allows for more flexible resource (entity) identification, see = below:

The primary mechanism is an instance-identifier so = that a node in the data-tree can be referenced
The sharma draft uses =  string/uri which is another domain than the module. A bit strange, = say you have
an interface alarm, why should you not send an alarm on the = path to interface in the data-model.

The Vallin = draft also allows for other naming schemes, for example SNMP = OIDs:
  typedef resource {
    type union {
    =   type instance-identifier {
    =     require-instance false;
    =   }
      type = yang:object-identifier;
      type = string;
    }


The alarm also has an optional leaf for referring to the = alarming resource using an alternate naming scheme
  =       +--ro alarm* [resource alarm-type-id = alarm-type-qualifier]
        =    +--ro resource             =          resource
  =          +--ro alarm-type-id     =             alarm-type-id
           +--ro = alarm-type-qualifier         =  alarm-type-qualifier
      =      +--ro alt-resource*         =         resource

So the alarm = can use both the instance-identifer and the SNMP OID for the alarming = interface for example.


ITU-T
****************
First of all, I need to stress the fact that = we carefully *did not* do the module design based on X.733.
There is a *separate*, optional, module to map to X733 which = is still relevant for *some* management platforms.
So= I do not really agree on that top-level comment.
But also note that G.7710 and G.806 = are not replacing X.733. X.733 defines the information model
for *alarm reporting* along with the ASN.1 data definitions. = G.7710 and G.806 defines the equipment fault
management functions that leads to alarm reporting at the = end. The alarm list functions and alarm notifications
are not defined by G.7710 and G.806 to my = knowledge.


G.806
Not so much = related to general alarm management, this is more specifying = instrumentation and 
behaviour for = transmission alarm types like LOS, AIS etc.

G.7710
* Alarm = Report Control maps to alarm shelving in the vallin alarm yang model. We = could rename
  to ARC. Will do a detailed = study if it maps 100% or if there is missing pieces.
* Alarm Severity Assignment Profile, configurable severity = levels could be introduced. 
I doubt this = being useful however. That is more for the management application itself = rather than 
configuring on the device. But if = you see requirements and scenarios for that, we can add it.


RFC7260
We need to make sure all = requirements are covered. I think we are fine. 
Requirements on alarm filters, avoiding spurious alarms etc = are covered

RFC5860
See above.


So in summary, there would be very little work to = reference 
RFC7260, RFC5860, G.7710, = G.806.
There are no big missing pieces, more on = terminology especially ARC.

Stefan Vallin
stefan@wallan.se
+46705233262

On 09 Oct 2017, at 11:28, Zhenghaomian <zhenghaomian@huawei.com> wrote:

Hello = Martin,

Great to see this work brought = back, actually we are interested and looking forward to see this work = progress in IETF 99 but there was no presentation and we failed to find = any of the co-authors of this draft.

We = had similar idea about the alarm work and there was one draft published = as https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sharma-netmod-fault-model-01<= /a> . we have reviewed both this draft and = draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module, and would like to drive on merging = into one. It was observed that draft-vallin is more complete than = draft-sharma, but the only problem is that the reference to ITU-T work = is too old. We are also seeking for some support from ITU side, so that = we can update the draft after there were agreement.

Please feel free to comment if you have other ideas, thank = you.

Best wishes,
Haomian

-----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Martin = Bjorklund
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: = 2017=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=889=E6=97=A5 17:14
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4= =BA=BA: ccamp@ietf.org=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: bclaise@cisco.com; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module = again

Hi,

We = have received quite a lot of emails indicating support for the draft = "draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module".  People are asking why nothing = happens with this draft.

It was decided = that CCAMP might be the best place for this draft, but since then people = have expressed that they rather want NETMOD to work on it.

I sent this email to CCAMP but never got any = feedback:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ccamp/f4qUNkpsT5dVF_1l9Ib= d3hH1YA4/?qid=3D2187bb6a3443f12d15a29a03486f0754

It would be much appreciated if anyone in CCAMP that are also = working on the generic alarm functionality in ITU could send feedback on = this document.

The document can be found = here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-modu= le


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From: Jonas Ahlberg [mailto:jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 3:31 PM
To: Jonas Ahlberg <jonas.ahlberg@ericsson.com>; Yemin (Amy) &l= t;amy.yemin@huawei.com>; 'LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO' <luismiguel.= contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com>; 'Koji Kawada' <k-kawada@ah.jp.nec.c= om>; 'Ippei Akiyoshi (i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com) (i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.co= m)' <i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com>; 'Xi Li' <Xi.Li@neclab.eu>; cjbc@it= .uc3m.es; Spreafico, Daniela (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) <daniela.spreafico@n= okia.com>
Cc: 'ccamp@ietf.org' <ccamp@ietf.org>
Subject: MDT meeting - YANG Data Model - October 12, 9:00-10:00 (CES= T, UTC+2)

 

Hi all,

 

MDT meeting, Thursday, October = 12, 9:00-10:00 (CEST, UTC+2).

 

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  • <= span lang=3D"EN-US">Submission of the updated Framework draft
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  • <= span lang=3D"EN-US">AOB

 

/JonasA

 

 

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10 Oct 2017 07:10:50 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : Transport Northbound Interface Applicability Statement and Use Cases Authors : Italo Busi Daniel King Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-00.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2017-10-09 Abstract: Transport network domains, including Optical Transport Network (OTN) and Wavelength Division Multiplexing (WDM) networks, are typically deployed based on a single vendor or technology platforms. They are often managed using proprietary interfaces to dedicated Element Management Systems (EMS), Network Management Systems (NMS) and increasingly Software Defined Network (SDN) controllers. A well-defined open interface to each domain management system or controller is required for network operators to facilitate control automation and orchestrate end-to-end services across multi-domain networks. These functions may be enabled using standardized data models (e.g. YANG), and appropriate protocol (e.g., RESTCONF). This document describes the key use cases and requirements for transport network control and management. It reviews proposed and existing IETF transport network data models, their applicability, and highlights gaps and requirements. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : A Yang Data Model for WSON Optical Networks Authors : Young Lee Dhruv Dhody Xian Zhang Aihua Guo Victor Lopez Daniel King Bin Yeong Yoon Ricard Vilalta Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-08.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2017-10-10 Abstract: This document provides a YANG data model for the routing and wavelength assignment (RWA) TE topology in wavelength switched optical networks (WSONs). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Authors, thanks for addressing Jouni=E2=80=99= s comments. I have entered a no Objection ballot. Alissa > On Feb 21, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Jouni Korhonen = wrote: >=20 > Reviewer: Jouni Korhonen > Review result: Ready >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed > by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please wait for direction from your > document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > . >=20 > Document: draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-?? > Reviewer: Jouni Korhonen > Review Date: 2017-02-21 > IETF LC End Date: 2016-10-24 > IESG Telechat date: 2017-03-16 >=20 > Summary: >=20 > I have reviewed two earlier versions of this document. All my comments > have been addressed. I am also happy to see my earlier comments > generated (I believe) a draft addressing the generalized SCSI TLV > specification work in TEAS, and this draft referencing to that work. >=20 > Major issues: >=20 > none. >=20 > Minor issues: >=20 > none. >=20 > Nits/editorial comments:=20 >=20 > There are minor editorials here and there, but those will be picked up > by the RFC editor in any case. >=20 From nobody Tue Oct 10 12:11:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1460D133338; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 12:11:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Alvaro Retana To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension@ietf.org, Fatai Zhang , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150766267307.13579.9907623355727477623.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 12:11:13 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 19:11:13 -0000 Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) Please include draft file names in the references, not just abbreviations. That will make it easier to track the relationship and dependencies. For example, the draft uses the generalized format defined in draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi, but the name of that draft (draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi) doesn’t appear anywhere. Also, the “References” and “Referenced by” tools in the datatracker don’t seem to work properly — in this case this document doesn’t appear to reference draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi at all [A]. [A] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension/references/ (2) Section 3.2. (Processing Procedures): “This information MAY be used for path calculation by the node(s).” I think that the “MAY” is out of place because this document already indicated that the use of the information is out of scope: s/MAY/may (3) Also from 3.2: The Availability SCSI-TLV MUST NOT be sent in ISCDs with Switching Capability field values that have not been defined to support the Availability SCSI-TLV. Non-supporting nodes would see such as a malformed ISCD/LSA. Where is this signaling defined? How does a node know that others support the Availability ISCD/LSA? (4) Section 4. (Security Considerations): “This document does not introduce security issues beyond those discussed in [RFC4203]…the extensions specified here have no direct effect on IP routing.” But that is not true! Even if out of scope of this document, the intent has already been established that the information can be used for route computation. I think you should then expand on the impact that tampering/changing the LSAs could have. From nobody Tue Oct 10 15:42:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F742134472 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:42:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.218 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.218 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sNW5ZjKe-xf3 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9665E134462 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DQH23219; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:42:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.40) by lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.44) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:42:12 +0100 Received: from SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.207]) by SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.215]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:42:07 -0700 From: Leeyoung To: "'CCAMP'" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-08.txt Thread-Index: AQHTQaCmqj5WmdxGpkehKWU6FYteZKLdrN8w Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:42:06 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E172B435682@SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com> References: <150762352941.18468.8496201770405979527@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <150762352941.18468.8496201770405979527@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.218.137.229] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020201.59DD4CC6.00E9, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.4.207, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 644b48a9921186d3738509e99e7ea593 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-08.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:42:21 -0000 Hi, We introduced a new yang module: ietf-te-wson-types to describe wson operat= ional mode for dwdm application codes, node types, wavelength range type (s= imilar to OTN), wavelength assignment policy, etc. In addition, we cleaned up the content to align with the latest TE-topology= model. This model has been implemented and used for optical vendor interoperabilit= y test.=20 Thanks. Young (on behalf of co-authors)=20 -----Original Message----- From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ie= tf.org Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 3:19 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-08.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of= the IETF. Title : A Yang Data Model for WSON Optical Networks Authors : Young Lee Dhruv Dhody Xian Zhang Aihua Guo Victor Lopez Daniel King Bin Yeong Yoon Ricard Vilalta Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-08.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2017-10-10 Abstract: This document provides a YANG data model for the routing and wavelength assignment (RWA) TE topology in wavelength switched optical networks (WSONs). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-wson-yang-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From nobody Tue Oct 10 17:48:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D421B1320C9; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 17:48:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam Roach To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension@ietf.org, Fatai Zhang , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, zhangfatai@huawei.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150768290685.24720.18138227445499830946.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 17:48:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:48:27 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-10: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi creates an IANA table "Generalized SCSI (Switching Capability Specific Information) TLVs Types" with a registration policy of "Specification Required." This document adds a value to this registry, and goes on to claim: The registration procedure for this registry is Standards Action as defined in [RFC8126]. "Standards Action" is not the same as "Specification Required." Since *this* document is not defining the registry, it should not reiterate the policy -- in particular because the policy can get out of sync if specified in multiple locations, as in this case. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 3.1 defines two fields as being "32-bit IEEE floaing point", which runs the risk of becoming ambiguous in the future (e.g., while no 32-bit decimal representations are currently defined, IEEE did define new, smaller formats in the most recent revision of IEEE 754). Additionally, byte ordering is important here. Recommend changing as: "This field is a binary32-format floating point number as defined by [IEEE754-2008]. The bytes are transmitted in network order; that is, the byte containing the sign bit is transmitted first." -- and, of course, add a citation for IEEE 754-2008 to the normative reference section. Additionally, while recipient behavior is described for the error of sending multiple TLVs with the same availability (yay!), I think you also want text around handling of TLVs that contain unexpected values (e.g., Availability >= 1.0, and handling of values like INF, -INF, and NaN). Options would include ignoring the TLV, or rejecting the entire ICSD. I'm not sure which is more consistent with typical OSCF handling. The reference for [GSCSI] is out of date. This is complicated by the fact that the title doesn't match, so finding the correct document is quite difficult. Please update to use "I-D.ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi-04" or something similar. The IANA section is pretty confusing at the moment, as it claims "IANA has created...", even though the table in question is requested by draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi. It's probably worth adding a note (with a "remove before publication") indicating that the registry will be created by draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-scsi, and that the requested value should be added to it when it is created. ____ Nits: Please expand "TE" in the title. Section 3.1: Type: 0x01, 16 bits. As this is 16 bits, I recommend changing to: "0x0001, 16 bits" From nobody Tue Oct 10 18:54:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B7D126DFE; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 18:54:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mzy2xEI3-83K; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 18:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS 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claimed to be Svantevit.roach.at To: "Yemin (Amy)" , The IESG Cc: "ccamp-chairs@ietf.org" , "ccamp@ietf.org" , Fatai Zhang , "draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension@ietf.org" References: <150768290685.24720.18138227445499830946.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FC7591AC8@DGGEMA501-MBX.china.huawei.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:01:23 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FC7591AC8@DGGEMA501-MBX.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 02:01:31 -0000 On 10/10/17 8:54 PM, Yemin (Amy) wrote: > Hi Adam, > > Thanks for your review. > Regarding the discuss item, how about to remove " The registration procedure for this registry is Standards Action as defined in [RFC8126]." Yes, I believe that is the best way to resolve the issue. Thanks. /a From nobody Tue Oct 10 20:30:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCC91321AC; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 20:30:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ND14z10rGJ6e; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 20:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E263126C0F; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 20:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DXH85504; 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Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:01:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ben Campbell To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension@ietf.org, Fatai Zhang , ccamp-chairs@ietf.org, zhangfatai@huawei.com, ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150769446602.24735.13620615617776736603.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:01:06 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-10: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 04:01:06 -0000 Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-10: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I support Adam's DISCUSS. It seems odd to find the terminology section before section 1. Also, please consider using the boilerplate from 8174, especially since there are lower case instances of at least "should". I think the reference to RFC5920 needs to be normative, since reading that document seems necessary to understand the security considerations. From nobody Wed Oct 11 00:04:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD838133047; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:04:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jouni Korhonen To: Cc: draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension.all@ietf.org, ccamp@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150770545580.24703.15080427281993793322@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:04:15 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-10 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 07:04:16 -0000 Reviewer: Jouni Korhonen Review result: Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-?? Reviewer: Jouni Korhonen Review Date: 2017-10-11 IETF LC End Date: 2016-10-24 IESG Telechat date: 2017-10-12 Summary: Ready to go. My earlier comments are reflected and I am happy with the outcome (and resulted to publication of [GSCSI]). Major issues: None. Minor issues: None. Nits/editorial comments: None. From nobody Wed Oct 11 00:15:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9161321A7 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:15:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hij-NZ4TyYFw for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025FF132076 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.41]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E72D61AE018C for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:15:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:13:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20171011.091345.493426747965748205.mbj@tail-f.com> To: ccamp@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="--Next_Part(Wed_Oct_11_09_13_45_2017_743)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 07:15:16 -0000 ----Next_Part(Wed_Oct_11_09_13_45_2017_743)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We have submitted draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00. The technical content is the same as in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02, which we posted to the CCAMP mailing list some time ago for feedback. This draft is about generic alarm management. We kindly ask the CCAMP WG to review this document and provide feedback. We especially welcome feedback from people who are also involved in similar work in the ITU. /martin & stefan ----Next_Part(Wed_Oct_11_09_13_45_2017_743)-- Content-Type: Message/Rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on metgos.tail-f.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Original-To: mbj@tail-f.com Delivered-To: mbj@tail-f.com Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [4.31.198.44]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 472031AE02BB for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:06:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9261133221; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:06:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: "Martin Bjorklund" , "Stefan Vallin" Subject: New Version Notification for draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150770560488.24703.11815338859431163596.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:06:44 -0700 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 int cnt prob spamicity histogram 0.00 56 0.021115 0.019456 ################################################ 0.10 5 0.114081 0.028698 ##### 0.20 0 0.000000 0.028698 0.30 0 0.000000 0.028698 0.40 0 0.000000 0.028698 0.50 0 0.000000 0.028698 0.60 0 0.000000 0.028698 0.70 0 0.000000 0.028698 0.80 0 0.000000 0.028698 0.90 0 0.000000 0.028698 A new version of I-D, draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Martin Bjorklund and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module Revision: 00 Title: YANG Alarm Module Document date: 2017-10-11 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 59 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00 Abstract: This document defines a YANG module for alarm management. It includes functions for alarm list management, alarm shelving and notifications to inform management systems. There are also RPCs to manage the operator state of an alarm and administrative alarm procedures. The module carefully maps to relevant alarm standards. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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[2003:1c09:f00e:2:78db:8330:37c2:ced6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x189sm4879808wmf.20.2017.10.11.01.46.11 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Oct 2017 01:46:11 -0700 (PDT) From: stefan vallin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1CA3E571-312E-45AE-A560-BC67D04669A7" Message-Id: <9C03C111-5D71-4DFD-847D-5FACD1D493C9@wallan.se> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:46:07 +0200 To: CCAMP@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:46:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1CA3E571-312E-45AE-A560-BC67D04669A7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi All! There have been discussions in NETMOD about our YANG module. I would like to show two important responses in this mail group as well. I think these responses are a good kick-start for the discussions in = this group. * NETMOD mailing group: 31 oct 2016: Comparison of Vallin and Sharma = Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sharma-netmod-fault-model-01 = * NETMOD mailing group 12 dec 2016: Comment on the ITU-T reference. Vallin vs Sharma ********************** Overall comments =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D *The sharma draft is a subset of the functionality in the vallin draft. On top of the alarm-list, the vallin draft covers: - alarm quality/usability requirements - alarm summary - alarm history (optional YANG feature) - alarm operator actions like ack (optional YANG feature) - alarm inventory (which are the possible alarms) - alarm shelving (filtering) - do not impose X733, rather this is an add-on * Stateful vs notification-based definition of alarms. =20 The vallin draft focuses on representing alarms as an alarm state on a = resource. The notifications refers to alarm state changes for a specific alarm on = a specific resource. The alarm list represents the alarm state for a given resource and alarm = type. The sharma draft focuses on a notification focused view on alarms. The alarm list represents the alarm notifications. The management system = has to correlate the notifications into an actual alarm state. * On X733 The vallin draft does not use the X733 as a mandatory *core* model, = rather it allows for X733 mapping when needed.=20 While X733 has been the root for most telecom oriented alarm systems, it = adds a bit of historic overhead. For example globally standardised probable cause values have not shown = to be useful in some cases. X733 represents notifications and not state (see above). Therefore an alarm is either cleared or minor for example. The vallin draft clearly separates this. Severity is one thing, = clearance is another. * Terminology the module is named =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80=9D while modelling alarms. See for example X733 for definitions of fault, errror and alarm. Detailed comments =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Section 2 " New network architectures that include controllers, orchestrators, PCE, applications, etc., require new alarm types and probable causes to be defined. These new alarm types and probable causes will be defined in the next version of the model.=E2=80=9D We doubt that having globally defined probable causes is a scalable way = forward. Did not work well in X733 or RFC3877. Probable cause values from standards has been more of historical value = then real value to alarm operators and alarm systems. Most telecom oriented alarm = systems require this alarm attribute. However the actual values are different = for all management systems. It is a confusing area with conflicting enum values. Our = approach is different. We consider this to be a configurable mapping to match the needs of the = management system and no values are defined in the alarm module. It is also kept separate as a X733 mapping rather than part of the core = model. Section 2.2 The definition of 'alarm-id' is unclear.=20 "In most cases this will be a combination of entity-type, entity-id, probable-cause and severity=E2=80=9D entity-type: string entity-id: inet:uri probable-cause: identity-ref severity: enum Several questions on this: a) why does not the entity (called resource in the vallin draft) refer = to a path in the YANG data tree? In the vallin draft we use an instance-identifier. We also allow for = other resource instances based on SNMP or even a string as last resort. b) Alarm list key - assume you have a threshold alarm with the following life-cycle: T1, T2, T3, are the times for the alarm state changes. T1: raise, minor T2: major T3: clear In the sharma draft this will be *three different entries* in the alarm = list. The client would have to correlate those. In the vallin draft this is *one entry*, one alarm, with three different = states. The vallin draft also clearly separates the severity from the clearance = state. The final state model is (major, cleared) This is important, what was the severity of the alarm and is it cleared = or not? This is not easily seen in the sharma draft. This implies that the sharma draft alarm list is more of a notification = log rather than an=20 alarm-list that shows the current state. The vallin draft alarm-list = focuses on current state of the alarms. Notifications represent state changes on the alarm state. c) the service-affecting flag This is superfluous. If the X733 severity levels are set correctly this = is enough for service-affecting or not. See the X733 definition of severity levels. The vallin draft also has a leaf impacted-resources. In this leaf an = alarm can refer to affected/impacted services. d) alarm-sequence number Not needed, NETCONF has notification replay and uses SSH sessions. Furthermore, since the sharma alarm list key is the identification of an = alarm notification, why is this needed at all? There has been these kinds of var-binds in SNMP Alarm MIBs as well, it = was a bit flawed there as well: you could use informs instead of = trap-pdus. How does this work with filtering mechanisms? Do not try to do protocol stuff in the model. e) House-keeping Unclear how the list is managed, when are entries removed? f) Other considerations: - The vallin draft allows for more flexible resource (entity) = identification, see below: The primary mechanism is an instance-identifier so that a node in the = data-tree can be referenced The sharma draft uses string/uri which is another domain than the = module. A bit strange, say you have an interface alarm, why should you not send an alarm on the path to = interface in the data-model. The Vallin draft also allows for other naming schemes, for example SNMP = OIDs: typedef resource { type union { type instance-identifier { require-instance false; } type yang:object-identifier; type string; } The alarm also has an optional leaf for referring to the alarming = resource using an alternate naming scheme +--ro alarm* [resource alarm-type-id alarm-type-qualifier] +--ro resource resource +--ro alarm-type-id alarm-type-id +--ro alarm-type-qualifier alarm-type-qualifier +--ro alt-resource* resource So the alarm can use both the instance-identifer and the SNMP OID for = the alarming interface for example. ITU-T **************** First of all, I need to stress the fact that we carefully *did not* do = the module design based on X.733. There is a *separate*, optional, module to map to X733 which is still = relevant for *some* management platforms. So I do not really agree on that top-level comment. But also note that G.7710 and G.806 are not replacing X.733. X.733 = defines the information model for *alarm reporting* along with the ASN.1 data definitions. G.7710 and = G.806 defines the equipment fault management functions that leads to alarm reporting at the end. The alarm = list functions and alarm notifications are not defined by G.7710 and G.806 to my knowledge. G.806 Not so much related to general alarm management, this is more specifying = instrumentation and=20 behaviour for transmission alarm types like LOS, AIS etc. G.7710 * Alarm Report Control maps to alarm shelving in the vallin alarm yang = model. We could rename to ARC. Will do a detailed study if it maps 100% or if there is = missing pieces. * Alarm Severity Assignment Profile, configurable severity levels could = be introduced.=20 I doubt this being useful however. That is more for the management = application itself rather than=20 configuring on the device. But if you see requirements and scenarios for = that, we can add it. RFC7260 We need to make sure all requirements are covered. I think we are fine.=20= Requirements on alarm filters, avoiding spurious alarms etc are covered RFC5860 See above. So in summary, there would be very little work to reference=20 RFC7260, RFC5860, G.7710, G.806. There are no big missing pieces, more on terminology especially ARC. Stefan Vallin stefan@wallan.se +46705233262 --Apple-Mail=_1CA3E571-312E-45AE-A560-BC67D04669A7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi All!

There have been discussions in NETMOD about our YANG = module.
I would like to show two important = responses in this mail group as well.

I think these responses are a good = kick-start for the discussions in this group.


* NETMOD mailing group: 31 oct 2016: Comparison of Vallin = and Sharma Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sharma-netmod-fault-model-01<= /a>
* NETMOD mailing group 12 dec 2016: Comment on = the ITU-T reference.

Vallin vs Sharma
**********************

Overall comments
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
*The sharma draft is a subset of the = functionality in the vallin draft.
On top of the alarm-list, the vallin draft covers:
- alarm quality/usability requirements
- = alarm summary
- alarm history (optional YANG = feature)
- alarm operator actions like ack = (optional YANG feature)
- alarm inventory (which are = the possible alarms)
- alarm shelving = (filtering)
- do not impose X733, rather this is = an add-on

* = Stateful vs notification-based definition of alarms.
 
The vallin draft focuses on representing = alarms as an alarm state on a resource.
The notifications refers to alarm state changes for a specific alarm = on a specific resource.
The alarm list represents = the alarm state for a given resource and alarm type.

The sharma draft focuses on = a notification focused view on alarms.
The alarm list represents the alarm notifications. The management = system has to
correlate the notifications into an = actual alarm state.

* On X733
The vallin draft does not = use the X733 as a mandatory *core* model, rather it allows for X733 = mapping when needed. 
While X733 has been the = root for most telecom oriented alarm systems, it adds a bit of historic = overhead.
For example globally standardised probable = cause values have not shown to be useful in some cases.
X733 represents notifications and not state (see = above).
Therefore an alarm is either cleared or = minor for example.
The vallin draft clearly = separates this. Severity is one thing, clearance is another.

* = Terminology
the module is named =E2=80=9Cfault=E2=80= =9D while modelling alarms.
See for example X733 for definitions of fault, errror and = alarm.



Detailed = comments
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Section 2
"  New = network architectures that include controllers, orchestrators,
  =  PCE, applications, etc., require new alarm types and probable = causes
   to be defined.  These new alarm types and = probable causes will be
   defined in the next version of the = model.=E2=80=9D

We doubt that having = globally defined probable causes is a scalable way forward.
Did not work = well in X733 or RFC3877.

Probable cause values = from standards has been more of historical value then real
value to = alarm operators and alarm systems. Most telecom oriented alarm = systems
require this alarm attribute. However the actual values are = different for all management
systems. It is a = confusing area with conflicting enum values. Our approach is = different.
We consider this to be a configurable mapping to match the needs = of the management
system and no values are defined in the alarm = module.
It is also kept separate as a X733 mapping rather than part of = the core model.


Section = 2.2

The definition of 'alarm-id' is = unclear. 
"In most cases this will be a combination of entity-type, = entity-id,
probable-cause and severity=E2=80=9D

entity-type: = string
entity-id: inet:uri
probable-cause: = identity-ref
severity: enum

Several questions on = this:
a) why does not the entity (called resource in the vallin draft) = refer to a path in the YANG data tree?
In the vallin draft we = use an instance-identifier. We also allow for other resource instances = based on SNMP or even a string as last resort.

b) Alarm list = key
- assume you have a threshold alarm with the following = life-cycle:
  T1, T2, T3, are the times for the alarm state = changes.
  T1: raise, minor
  T2: = major
  T3: clear

In the sharma draft this = will be  *three different entries* in the alarm list. The = client
would have to correlate those.

In the vallin = draft this is *one entry*, one alarm, with three different = states.
The vallin draft also clearly separates the severity from the = clearance state.
The final state model is
(major, = cleared)
This is important, what was the severity of the alarm and is it = cleared or not?
This is not easily seen in the sharma draft.

This implies that the sharma draft alarm list is more of a = notification log rather than an 
alarm-list that shows = the current state. The vallin draft  alarm-list focuses on current = state
of the alarms. Notifications represent state changes on the alarm = state.

c) the service-affecting flag
This is superfluous. If = the X733 severity levels are set correctly this is enough for
service-affecting or not. See the X733 definition of severity = levels.
The vallin draft also has a leaf impacted-resources. In this leaf = an alarm can refer to
affected/impacted services.

d) = alarm-sequence number
Not needed, NETCONF has notification replay and = uses SSH sessions.
Furthermore, since the sharma alarm list key is the = identification of an alarm notification, why is this needed at = all?
There has been these kinds of var-binds in SNMP Alarm MIBs as = well, it was a bit flawed there as well: you could use informs instead = of trap-pdus. How does this work with filtering mechanisms?
Do not try to = do protocol stuff in the model.


e) House-keeping
Unclear how the list is = managed, when are entries removed?


f) Other considerations:
- The vallin draft = allows for more flexible resource (entity) identification, see = below:

The primary mechanism is an instance-identifier so = that a node in the data-tree can be referenced
The sharma draft uses =  string/uri which is another domain than the module. A bit strange, = say you have
an interface alarm, why should you not send an alarm on the = path to interface in the data-model.

The Vallin = draft also allows for other naming schemes, for example SNMP = OIDs:
  typedef resource {
    type union {
    =   type instance-identifier {
    =     require-instance false;
    =   }
      type = yang:object-identifier;
      type = string;
    }


The alarm also has an optional leaf for referring to the = alarming resource using an alternate naming scheme
  =       +--ro alarm* [resource alarm-type-id = alarm-type-qualifier]
        =    +--ro resource             =          resource
  =          +--ro alarm-type-id     =             alarm-type-id
           +--ro = alarm-type-qualifier         =  alarm-type-qualifier
      =      +--ro alt-resource*         =         resource

So the alarm = can use both the instance-identifer and the SNMP OID for the alarming = interface for example.


ITU-T
****************
First of all, I need to stress the fact that = we carefully *did not* do the module design based on X.733.
There is a *separate*, optional, module to map to X733 which = is still relevant for *some* management platforms.
So= I do not really agree on that top-level comment.
But also note that G.7710 and G.806 = are not replacing X.733. X.733 defines the information model
for *alarm reporting* along with the ASN.1 data definitions. = G.7710 and G.806 defines the equipment fault
management functions that leads to alarm reporting at the = end. The alarm list functions and alarm notifications
are not defined by G.7710 and G.806 to my = knowledge.


G.806
Not so much = related to general alarm management, this is more specifying = instrumentation and 
behaviour for = transmission alarm types like LOS, AIS etc.

G.7710
* Alarm = Report Control maps to alarm shelving in the vallin alarm yang model. We = could rename
  to ARC. Will do a detailed = study if it maps 100% or if there is missing pieces.
* Alarm Severity Assignment Profile, configurable severity = levels could be introduced. 
I doubt this = being useful however. That is more for the management application itself = rather than 
configuring on the device. But if = you see requirements and scenarios for that, we can add it.


RFC7260
We need to make sure all = requirements are covered. I think we are fine. 
Requirements on alarm filters, avoiding spurious alarms etc = are covered

RFC5860
See above.


So in summary, there would be very little work to = reference 
RFC7260, RFC5860, G.7710, = G.806.
There are no big missing pieces, more on = terminology especially ARC.



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Most such I-D are woefully weak on background information, leaving the reader in the dark as to the what and why of the YANG module. This goes off the scale in the opposite direction (IMHO). If you want to write an essay on Alarms, adding to the mountains that ITU-T have already produced, not to mention some smaller items of the IETF, then that should be a separate I-D, which the YANG module I-D, or any other I-D, can reference. As it is, I think that those 20 pages may alienate those whom you might like to review this, since they will know it already, perhaps better than the authors of this I-D. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Bjorklund" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:13 AM Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt > Hi, > > We have submitted draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00. The technical > content is the same as in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02, which > we posted to the CCAMP mailing list some time ago for feedback. > > This draft is about generic alarm management. We kindly ask the CCAMP > WG to review this document and provide feedback. We especially > welcome feedback from people who are also involved in similar work in > the ITU. > > > /martin & stefan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp > From nobody Wed Oct 11 03:19:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4D713213D for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:19:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IjFgz5IhlNtF for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC537132F65 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 03:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.41]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 56A1B1AE018C; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:19:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:18:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20171011.121823.1528389939292117625.mbj@tail-f.com> To: ietfc@btconnect.com Cc: ccamp@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <01e501d34273$790c5540$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> References: <20171011.091345.493426747965748205.mbj@tail-f.com> <01e501d34273$790c5540$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:19:54 -0000 Hi, "t.petch" wrote: > Martin > > When first I read this, in its netmod designation, I scribbled in the > margin > ** immenseley complicated Can you be more specific; is this to be interpreted in the light of your next comment (i.e., related to the text), or are you thinking about the data model's structure (or something else)? > ** 20 pages of motherhood > :-( > > It is unlike any other YANG module I-D that I have read. Most such I-D > are woefully weak on background information, leaving the reader in the > dark as to the what and why of the YANG module. > > This goes off the scale in the opposite direction (IMHO). > > If you want to write an essay on Alarms, adding to the mountains that > ITU-T have already produced, not to mention some smaller items of the > IETF, then that should be a separate I-D, which the YANG module I-D, or > any other I-D, can reference. > > As it is, I think that those 20 pages may alienate those whom you might > like to review this, since they will know it already Ok. If the background material is not needed, we can remove it (or move to an Appendix or possibly another document, as you suggest). I assume you are referring to sections 3 and 4, and large parts of the text in section 5? Some of the text in section 5 would still be needed, but it can certainly be rewritten so that it is shorter. /martin > , perhaps better > than the authors of this I-D. > > Tom Petch > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Bjorklund" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:13 AM > Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for > draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt > > > > Hi, > > > > We have submitted draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00. The technical > > content is the same as in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02, which > > we posted to the CCAMP mailing list some time ago for feedback. > > > > This draft is about generic alarm management. We kindly ask the CCAMP > > WG to review this document and provide feedback. 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is this to be interpreted in the light of > your next comment (i.e., related to the text), or are you thinking > about the data model's structure (or something else)? > > > ** 20 pages of motherhood > > :-( > > > > It is unlike any other YANG module I-D that I have read. Most such I-D > > are woefully weak on background information, leaving the reader in the > > dark as to the what and why of the YANG module. > > > > This goes off the scale in the opposite direction (IMHO). > > > > If you want to write an essay on Alarms, adding to the mountains that > > ITU-T have already produced, not to mention some smaller items of the > > IETF, then that should be a separate I-D, which the YANG module I-D, or > > any other I-D, can reference. > > > > As it is, I think that those 20 pages may alienate those whom you might > > like to review this, since they will know it already > > Ok. If the background material is not needed, we can remove it (or > move to an Appendix or possibly another document, as you suggest). > > I assume you are referring to sections 3 and 4, and large parts of the > text in section 5? Some of the text in section 5 would still be > needed, but it can certainly be rewritten so that it is shorter. Yes, that is what I have in mind, but I will be interested to see what others think; they may welcome it:-). By complicated I mean all the different aspects of Alarms. I tend to see the IETF as starting simple and adding complications as and when they are needed e.g. with Netconf or YANG. ITU-T, 3GPP and such like I tend to see as putting everything in up front, some of which may never get used, and I see this I-D as being more in that vein i.e. complicated, at least as a starting point.. Likewise, the IETF has a process whereby things that are not sufficiently widely implemented get excised from a Full Standard, a philosophy I like, but tend not to see in other SDO. Tom Petch > /martin > > > , perhaps better > > than the authors of this I-D. > > > > > > Tom Petch > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Martin Bjorklund" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:13 AM > > Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for > > draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > We have submitted draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00. The technical > > > content is the same as in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02, which > > > we posted to the CCAMP mailing list some time ago for feedback. > > > > > > This draft is about generic alarm management. We kindly ask the CCAMP > > > WG to review this document and provide feedback. 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Can you elaborate on what you mean with *complicated*, what is = complicated in your mind? The module provides alarm notifications and an alarm list It also has an alarm inventory, which alarms do a system have? Important to publish this over NETCONF/YANG rather than in a document in = the side. This is pretty basic things required for an alarm interface. Then there are optional things like alarm shelving (filtering). Nothing magic... Excuse me for the initial text ;) The problem in the alarm area is information quality versus noise. Just putting a YANG model on noise does not help The initial pages puts information quality *requirements* on the alarms, = it is not a TM Forum book ;) Stefan Vallin stefan@wallan.se +46705233262 > On 11 Oct 2017, at 14:19, t.petch wrote: >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Bjorklund" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:18 AM >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> "t.petch" wrote: >>> Martin >>>=20 >>> When first I read this, in its netmod designation, I scribbled in > the >>> margin >>> ** immenseley complicated >>=20 >> Can you be more specific; is this to be interpreted in the light of >> your next comment (i.e., related to the text), or are you thinking >> about the data model's structure (or something else)? >>=20 >>> ** 20 pages of motherhood >>> :-( >>>=20 >>> It is unlike any other YANG module I-D that I have read. Most such > I-D >>> are woefully weak on background information, leaving the reader in > the >>> dark as to the what and why of the YANG module. >>>=20 >>> This goes off the scale in the opposite direction (IMHO). >>>=20 >>> If you want to write an essay on Alarms, adding to the mountains > that >>> ITU-T have already produced, not to mention some smaller items of > the >>> IETF, then that should be a separate I-D, which the YANG module I-D, > or >>> any other I-D, can reference. >>>=20 >>> As it is, I think that those 20 pages may alienate those whom you > might >>> like to review this, since they will know it already >>=20 >> Ok. If the background material is not needed, we can remove it (or >> move to an Appendix or possibly another document, as you suggest). >>=20 >> I assume you are referring to sections 3 and 4, and large parts of = the >> text in section 5? Some of the text in section 5 would still be >> needed, but it can certainly be rewritten so that it is shorter. >=20 > Yes, that is what I have in mind, but I will be interested to see what > others think; they may welcome it:-). >=20 > By complicated I mean all the different aspects of Alarms. I tend to > see the IETF as starting simple and adding complications as and when > they are needed e.g. with Netconf or YANG. ITU-T, 3GPP and such like = I > tend to see as putting everything in up front, some of which may never > get used, and I see this I-D as being more in that vein i.e. > complicated, at least as a starting point.. >=20 > Likewise, the IETF has a process whereby things that are not > sufficiently widely implemented get excised from a Full Standard, a > philosophy I like, but tend not to see in other SDO. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 >> /martin >>=20 >>> , perhaps better >>> than the authors of this I-D. >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Tom Petch >>>=20 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Martin Bjorklund" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:13 AM >>> Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for >>> draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> Hi, >>>>=20 >>>> We have submitted draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00. The > technical >>>> content is the same as in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02, > which >>>> we posted to the CCAMP mailing list some time ago for feedback. >>>>=20 >>>> This draft is about generic alarm management. We kindly ask the > CCAMP >>>> WG to review this document and provide feedback. We especially >>>> welcome feedback from people who are also involved in similar work > in >>>> the ITU. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> /martin & stefan >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- >>> -------- >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CCAMP mailing list >>>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --Apple-Mail=_3D9544B2-E17F-4E95-9CFE-2119B79A857E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi!
Can you elaborate on what you mean with = *complicated*, what is complicated in your mind?
The = module provides alarm notifications and an alarm list
It also has an alarm inventory, which alarms do a system = have?
Important to publish this over NETCONF/YANG = rather than in a document in the side.
This is = pretty basic things required for an alarm interface.

Then there are optional = things like alarm shelving (filtering).

Nothing magic...
Excuse me for the initial text = ;)
The problem in the alarm area is information = quality versus noise.
Just putting a YANG model on = noise does not help
The initial pages puts = information quality *requirements* on the alarms, it is not a TM Forum = book ;)

Stefan Vallin
stefan@wallan.se
+46705233262

On 11 Oct 2017, at 14:19, t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>= wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin = Bjorklund" <mbj@tail-f.com>
To: <ietfc@btconnect.com>
Cc: <ccamp@ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:18 AM

Hi,

"t.petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
Martin

When first = I read this, in its netmod designation, I scribbled in
the
margin
** immenseley complicated

Can you be more specific; is this to be interpreted in the = light of
your next comment (i.e., related to the text), or = are you thinking
about the data model's structure (or = something else)?

** 20 pages of motherhood
:-(

It is unlike any other YANG module I-D that I have read. =  Most such
I-D
are woefully weak on background information, leaving the = reader in
the
dark as to the what and why of the YANG module.

This goes off the scale in the opposite = direction (IMHO).

If you want to write an = essay on Alarms, adding to the mountains
that
ITU-T have = already produced, not to mention some smaller items of
the
IETF, then = that should be a separate I-D, which the YANG module I-D,
or
any other = I-D, can reference.

As it is, I think that = those 20 pages may alienate those whom you
might
like to = review this, since they will know it already

Ok.  If the background = material is not needed, we can remove it (or
move to an = Appendix or possibly another document, as you suggest).

I assume you are referring to sections 3 and 4, and large = parts of the
text in section 5?  Some of the text in = section 5 would still be
needed, but it can certainly be = rewritten so that it is shorter.

Yes, that is what I have in mind, but I will be interested to = see what
others think; they may welcome it:-).

By complicated I mean all the different = aspects of Alarms.  I tend to
see the IETF as = starting simple and adding complications as and when
they = are needed e.g. with Netconf or YANG.  ITU-T, 3GPP and such like = I
tend to see as putting everything in up front, some of = which may never
get used, and I see this I-D as being more = in that vein i.e.
complicated, at least as a starting = point..

Likewise, the IETF has a process = whereby things that are not
sufficiently widely = implemented get excised from a Full Standard, a
philosophy = I like, but tend not to see in other SDO.

Tom= Petch

/martin

, perhaps better
than the authors of this = I-D.



Tom Petch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin = Bjorklund" <mbj@tail-f.com>
To: <ccamp@ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:13 AM
Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for
draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt


Hi,

We have submitted = draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.  The
technical
content is the same as = in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02,
which
we posted to the CCAMP = mailing list some time ago for feedback.

This= draft is about generic alarm management.  We kindly ask the
CCAMP
WG to review this = document and provide feedback.  We especially
welcome = feedback from people who are also involved in similar work
in
the ITU.

/martin & stefan





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Can you elaborate on what you mean with *complicated*, what is complicated in your mind? Stefan 'Complicated' was my first impression on reading the original I-D (you should not read too much into that word). Many YANG modules are reworking of MIB modules and, since I was involved with the Alarm MIB (RFC3877), I have that as my reference point for this work; the YANG module seems more complex to me. I was expecting something familiar looking and did not get it; so my impression was 'complicated'. And, as I said to Martin, IETF solutions often start simple and grow. With the Alarm MIB module, I perceived it as being made more complex by the influence of M.3100, X.733, X.736 (I do, in general, see the ITU-T as producing more complex work than the IETF, for better or worse). The initial text is fine text, I would not want you to think I am suggesting otherwise, but having been through all the ITU-T Recomendations in this area in the past, and seeing how little (too little:-) prefatory text there is in most YANG I-Ds, I was querying its place here, as opposed in a separate I-D. Sometimes IETF work starts with an RFC for the problem statement, separate from the RFC that is the solution, and that could be an option here. Tom Petch The module provides alarm notifications and an alarm list It also has an alarm inventory, which alarms do a system have? Important to publish this over NETCONF/YANG rather than in a document in the side. This is pretty basic things required for an alarm interface. Then there are optional things like alarm shelving (filtering). Nothing magic... Excuse me for the initial text ;) The problem in the alarm area is information quality versus noise. Just putting a YANG model on noise does not help The initial pages puts information quality *requirements* on the alarms, it is not a TM Forum book ;) Stefan Vallin stefan@wallan.se +46705233262 > On 11 Oct 2017, at 14:19, t.petch wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Bjorklund" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:18 AM > >> Hi, >> >> "t.petch" wrote: >>> Martin >>> >>> When first I read this, in its netmod designation, I scribbled in > the >>> margin >>> ** immenseley complicated >> >> Can you be more specific; is this to be interpreted in the light of >> your next comment (i.e., related to the text), or are you thinking >> about the data model's structure (or something else)? >> >>> ** 20 pages of motherhood >>> :-( >>> >>> It is unlike any other YANG module I-D that I have read. Most such > I-D >>> are woefully weak on background information, leaving the reader in > the >>> dark as to the what and why of the YANG module. >>> >>> This goes off the scale in the opposite direction (IMHO). >>> >>> If you want to write an essay on Alarms, adding to the mountains > that >>> ITU-T have already produced, not to mention some smaller items of > the >>> IETF, then that should be a separate I-D, which the YANG module I-D, > or >>> any other I-D, can reference. >>> >>> As it is, I think that those 20 pages may alienate those whom you > might >>> like to review this, since they will know it already >> >> Ok. If the background material is not needed, we can remove it (or >> move to an Appendix or possibly another document, as you suggest). >> >> I assume you are referring to sections 3 and 4, and large parts of the >> text in section 5? Some of the text in section 5 would still be >> needed, but it can certainly be rewritten so that it is shorter. > > Yes, that is what I have in mind, but I will be interested to see what > others think; they may welcome it:-). > > By complicated I mean all the different aspects of Alarms. I tend to > see the IETF as starting simple and adding complications as and when > they are needed e.g. with Netconf or YANG. ITU-T, 3GPP and such like I > tend to see as putting everything in up front, some of which may never > get used, and I see this I-D as being more in that vein i.e. > complicated, at least as a starting point.. > > Likewise, the IETF has a process whereby things that are not > sufficiently widely implemented get excised from a Full Standard, a > philosophy I like, but tend not to see in other SDO. > > Tom Petch > >> /martin >> >>> , perhaps better >>> than the authors of this I-D. >> >> >>> >>> Tom Petch >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Martin Bjorklund" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:13 AM >>> Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for >>> draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> We have submitted draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00. The > technical >>>> content is the same as in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02, > which >>>> we posted to the CCAMP mailing list some time ago for feedback. >>>> >>>> This draft is about generic alarm management. We kindly ask the > CCAMP >>>> WG to review this document and provide feedback. We especially >>>> welcome feedback from people who are also involved in similar work > in >>>> the ITU. >>>> >>>> >>>> /martin & stefan >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- - > -- >>> -------- >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CCAMP mailing list >>>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > CCAMP mailing list > CCAMP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp From nobody Wed Oct 11 09:42:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621F41331F2 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:42:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0xXBV2xQ4e7d for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us-smtp-delivery-128.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-128.mimecast.com [216.205.24.128]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD32E13202D for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ex-hc2.corp.adtran.com (ex-hc3.adtran.com [76.164.174.83]) (Using TLS) by us-smtp-1.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-29-aj9Rzu90OXC_T1QCiEmCZA-1; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:42:26 -0400 Received: from ex-mb1.corp.adtran.com ([fe80::51a3:972d:5f16:9952]) by ex-hc2.corp.adtran.com ([fe80::a019:449b:3f62:28e5%10]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:42:25 -0500 From: NICK HANCOCK To: Martin Bjorklund , "ccamp@ietf.org" CC: JOEY BOYD Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHTQmC35YWnXV6NL0GatEqlVLav+6Le0qxQ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:42:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20171011.091345.493426747965748205.mbj@tail-f.com> In-Reply-To: <20171011.091345.493426747965748205.mbj@tail-f.com> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.20.61.227] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MC-Unique: aj9Rzu90OXC_T1QCiEmCZA-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:42:31 -0000 Dear All,=20 We have been following the progress of the Internet-draft 'draft-vallin-net= mod-alarm-module' with great interest and believe that the fundamental conc= epts behind this data model and its objectives are important for the indust= ry and ADTRAN intends to implement support for the YANG Alarm Module within= its equipment once the draft is published as an RFC.=20 Therefore, we welcome the latest development to progress this draft to an R= FC as the lack of a standardized YANG data model for the management of alar= ms may result in vendors and operators not waiting for the draft to progres= s to an RFC and begin implementing their own proprietary solutions in the s= hort term. The longer this situation remains, the more difficult it would b= e to achieve convergence across the industry.=20 In the meantime, we will begin providing our feedback on the content of the= draft. Regards,=20 Nick Hancock & Joey Boyd -----Original Message----- From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin Bjorklund Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:14 AM To: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-= module-00.txt Hi, We have submitted draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00. The technical conten= t is the same as in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02, which we posted to= the CCAMP mailing list some time ago for feedback. This draft is about generic alarm management. We kindly ask the CCAMP WG t= o review this document and provide feedback. 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Thanks for your comments. Forgot to comment on your RFC 3877 MIB module = reference I was very active in that discussion as well. The 3877 module is complex in that it is a mapping mechanism to map = existing notifications and states into alarms. The reason being that there was MIB modules out there where alarm states = are =E2=80=9Chidden=E2=80=9D in existing SNMP notifications and objects. So, (I don=E2=80=99t like the word), it is kind of a meta-module. That = makes 3877 complex. But it had to be that way, since it =E2=80=9Ccame too late=E2=80=9D. = There was very little chance to introduce new notifications and objects = for alarms. ifDown and ifOperState already existed ;) In contrast our proposal is a =E2=80=9Cconcrete=E2=80=9D alarm module, = directly modelling notifications and alarm states rather than mapping = other existing notifications and states into alarms. This is feasible = since we are in the early days of YANG module authoring, we can have = devices support an alarm YANG. Using RFC 3877 as a manager is complex, you have to interpret the = mapping. You do not get direct alarm information from it. This in contrast to our proposed alarm YANG, it provides alarm = information directly. Hope you see what I am trying to say here. Big difference in the = approaches and this is why it is so early to get a YANG Alarm Module out = there fast. So our alarm YANG is simple :) Stefan Vallin stefan@wallan.se +46705233262 > On 11 Oct 2017, at 18:07, t.petch wrote: >=20 > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "stefan vallin" > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:04 PM >=20 > Hi! > Can you elaborate on what you mean with *complicated*, what is > complicated in your mind? >=20 > >=20 > Stefan >=20 > 'Complicated' was my first impression on reading the original I-D (you > should not read too much into that word). Many YANG modules are > reworking of > MIB modules and, since I was involved with the Alarm MIB (RFC3877), I > have that as my reference point for this work; the YANG module seems > more complex to me. I was expecting something familiar looking and = did > not get it; so my impression was 'complicated'. >=20 > And, as I said to Martin, IETF solutions often start simple and grow. > With the Alarm MIB module, I perceived it as being made more complex = by > the influence of M.3100, X.733, X.736 (I do, in general, see the ITU-T > as producing more complex work than the IETF, for better or worse). >=20 > The initial text is fine text, I would not want you to think I am > suggesting otherwise, but having been through all the ITU-T > Recomendations in this area in the past, and seeing how little (too > little:-) prefatory text there is in most YANG I-Ds, I was querying = its > place here, as opposed in a separate I-D. Sometimes IETF work starts > with an RFC for the problem statement, separate from the RFC that is = the > solution, and that could be an option here. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > The module provides alarm notifications and an alarm list > It also has an alarm inventory, which alarms do a system have? > Important to publish this over NETCONF/YANG rather than in a document = in > the side. > This is pretty basic things required for an alarm interface. >=20 > Then there are optional things like alarm shelving (filtering). >=20 > Nothing magic... >=20 > Excuse me for the initial text ;) > The problem in the alarm area is information quality versus noise. > Just putting a YANG model on noise does not help > The initial pages puts information quality *requirements* on the = alarms, > it is not a TM Forum book ;) >=20 > Stefan Vallin > stefan@wallan.se > +46705233262 >=20 >> On 11 Oct 2017, at 14:19, t.petch wrote: >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Bjorklund" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:18 AM >>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> "t.petch" wrote: >>>> Martin >>>>=20 >>>> When first I read this, in its netmod designation, I scribbled in >> the >>>> margin >>>> ** immenseley complicated >>>=20 >>> Can you be more specific; is this to be interpreted in the light of >>> your next comment (i.e., related to the text), or are you thinking >>> about the data model's structure (or something else)? >>>=20 >>>> ** 20 pages of motherhood >>>> :-( >>>>=20 >>>> It is unlike any other YANG module I-D that I have read. Most such >> I-D >>>> are woefully weak on background information, leaving the reader in >> the >>>> dark as to the what and why of the YANG module. >>>>=20 >>>> This goes off the scale in the opposite direction (IMHO). >>>>=20 >>>> If you want to write an essay on Alarms, adding to the mountains >> that >>>> ITU-T have already produced, not to mention some smaller items of >> the >>>> IETF, then that should be a separate I-D, which the YANG module = I-D, >> or >>>> any other I-D, can reference. >>>>=20 >>>> As it is, I think that those 20 pages may alienate those whom you >> might >>>> like to review this, since they will know it already >>>=20 >>> Ok. If the background material is not needed, we can remove it (or >>> move to an Appendix or possibly another document, as you suggest). >>>=20 >>> I assume you are referring to sections 3 and 4, and large parts of > the >>> text in section 5? Some of the text in section 5 would still be >>> needed, but it can certainly be rewritten so that it is shorter. >>=20 >> Yes, that is what I have in mind, but I will be interested to see = what >> others think; they may welcome it:-). >>=20 >> By complicated I mean all the different aspects of Alarms. I tend to >> see the IETF as starting simple and adding complications as and when >> they are needed e.g. with Netconf or YANG. ITU-T, 3GPP and such like > I >> tend to see as putting everything in up front, some of which may = never >> get used, and I see this I-D as being more in that vein i.e. >> complicated, at least as a starting point.. >>=20 >> Likewise, the IETF has a process whereby things that are not >> sufficiently widely implemented get excised from a Full Standard, a >> philosophy I like, but tend not to see in other SDO. >>=20 >> Tom Petch >>=20 >>> /martin >>>=20 >>>> , perhaps better >>>> than the authors of this I-D. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Tom Petch >>>>=20 >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Martin Bjorklund" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:13 AM >>>> Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for >>>> draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> Hi, >>>>>=20 >>>>> We have submitted draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00. The >> technical >>>>> content is the same as in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02, >> which >>>>> we posted to the CCAMP mailing list some time ago for feedback. >>>>>=20 >>>>> This draft is about generic alarm management. We kindly ask the >> CCAMP >>>>> WG to review this document and provide feedback. We especially >>>>> welcome feedback from people who are also involved in similar work >> in >>>>> the ITU. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> /martin & stefan >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> = --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - >> -- >>>> -------- >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> CCAMP mailing list >>>>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> CCAMP mailing list >> CCAMP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_BD390573-3AB7-4975-A9C2-DB4EC5BF0130 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Tom!
Thanks for your comments. Forgot to = comment on your RFC 3877 MIB module reference
I was = very active in that discussion as well.

The 3877 module is complex in that it = is a mapping mechanism to map existing notifications and states into = alarms.
The reason being that there was MIB modules = out there where alarm states are =E2=80=9Chidden=E2=80=9D in existing = SNMP notifications and objects.
So, (I don=E2=80=99t = like the word), it is kind of a meta-module. That makes 3877 = complex.
But it had to be that way, since it = =E2=80=9Ccame too late=E2=80=9D. There was very little chance to = introduce new notifications and objects for alarms.
ifDown and ifOperState already existed ;)

In contrast our proposal = is a =E2=80=9Cconcrete=E2=80=9D alarm module, directly modelling = notifications and alarm states rather than mapping other existing = notifications and states into alarms. This is feasible since we are in = the early days of YANG module authoring, we can have devices support an = alarm YANG.

Using RFC 3877 as a manager is complex, you have to interpret = the mapping. You do not get direct alarm information from it.
This in contrast to our proposed alarm YANG, it provides = alarm information directly.

Hope you see what I am trying to say here. Big difference in = the approaches and this is why it is so early to get a YANG Alarm Module = out there fast.
So our alarm YANG is simple = :)

Stefan Vallin
stefan@wallan.se
+46705233262

On 11 Oct 2017, at 18:07, t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>= wrote:

---- Original Message -----
From: "stefan = vallin" <stefan@wallan.se>
Sent: Wednesday, = October 11, 2017 2:04 PM

Hi!
Can you elaborate on what you mean with *complicated*, what = is
complicated in your mind?

<tp>

Stefan

'Complicated' was my first impression on = reading the original I-D (you
should not read too much = into that word).  Many YANG modules are
reworking = of
MIB modules and, since I was involved with the Alarm = MIB (RFC3877), I
have that as my reference point for this = work; the YANG module seems
more complex to me.  I = was expecting something familiar looking and did
not get = it; so my impression was 'complicated'.

And, = as I said to Martin, IETF solutions often start simple and grow.
With the Alarm MIB module, I perceived it as being made more = complex by
the influence of M.3100, X.733, X.736 (I do, in = general, see the ITU-T
as producing more complex work than = the IETF, for better or worse).

The initial = text is fine text, I would not want you to think I am
suggesting otherwise, but having been through all the = ITU-T
Recomendations in this area in the past, and seeing = how little (too
little:-) prefatory text there is in most = YANG I-Ds, I was querying its
place here, as opposed in a = separate I-D.  Sometimes IETF work starts
with an RFC = for the problem statement, separate from the RFC that is the
solution, and that could be an option here.

Tom Petch

The module provides = alarm notifications and an alarm list
It also has an alarm = inventory, which alarms do a system have?
Important to = publish this over NETCONF/YANG rather than in a document in
the side.
This is pretty basic things required = for an alarm interface.

Then there are = optional things like alarm shelving (filtering).

Nothing magic...

Excuse me for = the initial text ;)
The problem in the alarm area is = information quality versus noise.
Just putting a YANG = model on noise does not help
The initial pages puts = information quality *requirements* on the alarms,
it is = not a TM Forum book ;)

Stefan Vallin
stefan@wallan.se
+46705233262

On 11 Oct = 2017, at 14:19, t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From:= "Martin Bjorklund" <mbj@tail-f.com>
To: = <ietfc@btconnect.com>
Cc: <ccamp@ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:18 AM

Hi,

"t.petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
Martin

When first I read this, in its netmod designation, I = scribbled in
the
margin
** immenseley complicated

Can you be more specific; is this = to be interpreted in the light of
your next comment (i.e., = related to the text), or are you thinking
about the data = model's structure (or something else)?

** 20 pages of = motherhood
:-(

It is unlike = any other YANG module I-D that I have read.  Most such
I-D
are = woefully weak on background information, leaving the reader in
the
dark as to = the what and why of the YANG module.

This = goes off the scale in the opposite direction (IMHO).

If you want to write an essay on Alarms, adding to the = mountains
that
ITU-T have already produced, not to mention some smaller = items of
the
IETF, then that should be a separate I-D, which the YANG = module I-D,
or
any other I-D, can reference.

As = it is, I think that those 20 pages may alienate those whom you
might
like to = review this, since they will know it already

Ok.  If the background = material is not needed, we can remove it (or
move to an = Appendix or possibly another document, as you suggest).

I assume you are referring to sections 3 and 4, and large = parts of
the
text in section 5?  Some of the text in section 5 would = still be
needed, but it can certainly be rewritten so that = it is shorter.

Yes, that is = what I have in mind, but I will be interested to see what
others think; they may welcome it:-).

By complicated I mean all the different aspects of Alarms. =  I tend to
see the IETF as starting simple and adding = complications as and when
they are needed e.g. with = Netconf or YANG.  ITU-T, 3GPP and such like
I
tend to see as putting everything in up front, some of which = may never
get used, and I see this I-D as being more in = that vein i.e.
complicated, at least as a starting = point..

Likewise, the IETF has a process = whereby things that are not
sufficiently widely = implemented get excised from a Full Standard, a
philosophy = I like, but tend not to see in other SDO.

Tom= Petch

/martin

, perhaps better
than the authors of this = I-D.



Tom Petch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin = Bjorklund" <mbj@tail-f.com>
To: = <ccamp@ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 = 8:13 AM
Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification = for
draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt

Hi,

We have submitted = draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.  The
technical
content is the same as = in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02,
which
we posted to the CCAMP = mailing list some time ago for feedback.

This= draft is about generic alarm management.  We kindly ask the
CCAMP
WG to review this = document and provide feedback.  We especially
welcome = feedback from people who are also involved in similar work
in
the ITU.

/martin & stefan





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Hi all,

I send you the updated Excel sh= eet describing the mapping to standards and/or ONF model.=

Perhaps something is missing or= not matching.

We can start a review by email.= Feel free to share your comments.

 

Regards, Daniela

 

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Subject: MDT meeting - YANG Data Model - October 12, 9:00-10:00 (CES= T, UTC+2)

 

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o   https://gi= thub.com/ietf-ccamp-mw/IETF-CCAMP-Microwave-YANG-Data-Model/tree/master/YAN= G%20Data%20Model/October%202017%20-%20draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-02<= /o:p>

o   Only pending one questi= on: Support for multiple MIMO groups per Radio Link Terminal or not.

 

-=    &n= bsp;      Review of Excel sheet d= escribing the mapping to standards and/or ONF model

 

-=    &n= bsp;      Submission of the updat= ed Framework draft

o   Status

 

-=    &n= bsp;      AOB

 

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Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "stefan vallin" Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:00 PM Hi Tom! Thanks for your comments. Forgot to comment on your RFC 3877 MIB module reference I was very active in that discussion as well. The 3877 module is complex in that it is a mapping mechanism to map existing notifications and states into alarms. The reason being that there was MIB modules out there where alarm states are “hidden” in existing SNMP notifications and objects. So, (I don’t like the word), it is kind of a meta-module. That makes 3877 complex. But it had to be that way, since it “came too late”. There was very little chance to introduce new notifications and objects for alarms. ifDown and ifOperState already existed ;) In contrast our proposal is a “concrete” alarm module, directly modelling notifications and alarm states rather than mapping other existing notifications and states into alarms. This is feasible since we are in the early days of YANG module authoring, we can have devices support an alarm YANG. Using RFC 3877 as a manager is complex, you have to interpret the mapping. You do not get direct alarm information from it. This in contrast to our proposed alarm YANG, it provides alarm information directly. Hope you see what I am trying to say here. Big difference in the approaches and this is why it is so early to get a YANG Alarm Module out there fast. So our alarm YANG is simple :) Stefan Vallin stefan@wallan.se +46705233262 > On 11 Oct 2017, at 18:07, t.petch wrote: > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "stefan vallin" > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:04 PM > > Hi! > Can you elaborate on what you mean with *complicated*, what is > complicated in your mind? > > > > Stefan > > 'Complicated' was my first impression on reading the original I-D (you > should not read too much into that word). Many YANG modules are > reworking of > MIB modules and, since I was involved with the Alarm MIB (RFC3877), I > have that as my reference point for this work; the YANG module seems > more complex to me. I was expecting something familiar looking and did > not get it; so my impression was 'complicated'. > > And, as I said to Martin, IETF solutions often start simple and grow. > With the Alarm MIB module, I perceived it as being made more complex by > the influence of M.3100, X.733, X.736 (I do, in general, see the ITU-T > as producing more complex work than the IETF, for better or worse). > > The initial text is fine text, I would not want you to think I am > suggesting otherwise, but having been through all the ITU-T > Recomendations in this area in the past, and seeing how little (too > little:-) prefatory text there is in most YANG I-Ds, I was querying its > place here, as opposed in a separate I-D. Sometimes IETF work starts > with an RFC for the problem statement, separate from the RFC that is the > solution, and that could be an option here. > > Tom Petch > > The module provides alarm notifications and an alarm list > It also has an alarm inventory, which alarms do a system have? > Important to publish this over NETCONF/YANG rather than in a document in > the side. > This is pretty basic things required for an alarm interface. > > Then there are optional things like alarm shelving (filtering). > > Nothing magic... > > Excuse me for the initial text ;) > The problem in the alarm area is information quality versus noise. > Just putting a YANG model on noise does not help > The initial pages puts information quality *requirements* on the alarms, > it is not a TM Forum book ;) > > Stefan Vallin > stefan@wallan.se > +46705233262 > >> On 11 Oct 2017, at 14:19, t.petch wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Martin Bjorklund" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:18 AM >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> "t.petch" wrote: >>>> Martin >>>> >>>> When first I read this, in its netmod designation, I scribbled in >> the >>>> margin >>>> ** immenseley complicated >>> >>> Can you be more specific; is this to be interpreted in the light of >>> your next comment (i.e., related to the text), or are you thinking >>> about the data model's structure (or something else)? >>> >>>> ** 20 pages of motherhood >>>> :-( >>>> >>>> It is unlike any other YANG module I-D that I have read. Most such >> I-D >>>> are woefully weak on background information, leaving the reader in >> the >>>> dark as to the what and why of the YANG module. >>>> >>>> This goes off the scale in the opposite direction (IMHO). >>>> >>>> If you want to write an essay on Alarms, adding to the mountains >> that >>>> ITU-T have already produced, not to mention some smaller items of >> the >>>> IETF, then that should be a separate I-D, which the YANG module I-D, >> or >>>> any other I-D, can reference. >>>> >>>> As it is, I think that those 20 pages may alienate those whom you >> might >>>> like to review this, since they will know it already >>> >>> Ok. If the background material is not needed, we can remove it (or >>> move to an Appendix or possibly another document, as you suggest). >>> >>> I assume you are referring to sections 3 and 4, and large parts of > the >>> text in section 5? Some of the text in section 5 would still be >>> needed, but it can certainly be rewritten so that it is shorter. >> >> Yes, that is what I have in mind, but I will be interested to see what >> others think; they may welcome it:-). >> >> By complicated I mean all the different aspects of Alarms. I tend to >> see the IETF as starting simple and adding complications as and when >> they are needed e.g. with Netconf or YANG. ITU-T, 3GPP and such like > I >> tend to see as putting everything in up front, some of which may never >> get used, and I see this I-D as being more in that vein i.e. >> complicated, at least as a starting point.. >> >> Likewise, the IETF has a process whereby things that are not >> sufficiently widely implemented get excised from a Full Standard, a >> philosophy I like, but tend not to see in other SDO. >> >> Tom Petch >> >>> /martin >>> >>>> , perhaps better >>>> than the authors of this I-D. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Tom Petch >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Martin Bjorklund" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:13 AM >>>> Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for >>>> draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> We have submitted draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00. The >> technical >>>>> content is the same as in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02, >> which >>>>> we posted to the CCAMP mailing list some time ago for feedback. >>>>> >>>>> This draft is about generic alarm management. We kindly ask the >> CCAMP >>>>> WG to review this document and provide feedback. 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How does a node know that others > support the Availability ISCD/LSA? > > > > The Interface Switching Capability Descriptor (ISCD) allows routing > protocols such as OSPF and ISIS to carry technology specific information in > the Switching Capability-specific information (SCSI) field. > > If a node received the Availability in the ISCD, it knows that the sender > support Availability. > Please add something like that, or point to the appropriate document. > 4) Security Considerations, how about change the text as following: > > > > This document extends [RFC4203]. As with [RFC4203], it specifies the > content of an Opaque LSAs in OSPFv2. As Opaque LSAs are not used for > Shortest Path First (SPF) computation or normal routing, the extensions > specified here have no direct effect on IP routing. Tampering with GMPLS > TE LSAs may have an impact on the ability to set up connections in the > underlying data plane network. Mechanisms such as [RFC2154] and [RFC5304] > to protect the transmission of this information are suggested. As the > additional availability information may represent information that an > operator may wish to keep private, consideration should be given to > securing this information. [RFC3630] notes that the security mechanisms > described in [RFC2328] apply to Opaque LSAs carried in OSPFv2. An analysis > of the security of OSPF is provided in [RFC6863] and applies to the > extensions to OSPF as described in this document. Any new mechanisms > developed to protect the transmission of information carried in Opaque LSAs > will also automatically protect the extensions defined in this document. > > The text above (1) still says that the extensions have no direct effect on IP routing, and (2) don't address that threat. I think that the threat with tampering may not just impact the ability to set up a connection, but it may cause routing not to be correct: use a congested path or follow a path with not enough bw, etc.. It shouldn't result in 100% lost traffic, but the routing could definitely be suboptimal. Thanks! Alvaro. --001a113d524e409519055b5c32a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Yemin (Amy) <amy.yemin@huawei.com> wrote:

Amy:

Hi!

3) Where is this signaling defined?=C2=A0 How does a n= ode know that others support the Availability ISCD/LSA?

=C2=A0

The Interface Switching Capa= bility Descriptor (ISCD) allows routing protocols such as OSPF and ISIS to = carry technology specific information in the Switching Capability-specific = information (SCSI) field.

If a node received the Avail= ability in the ISCD, it knows that the sender support Availability.

Please add something like that, or point = to the appropriate document.
=C2=A0

=C2=A04) Security Considerat= ions, how about change the text as following:

=C2=A0

This document extends [RFC4203].=C2=A0 As with [RFC4203], it specifies the content of an Opaque LSAs in OSP= Fv2. As Opaque LSAs are not used for Shortest Path First (SPF) computation = or normal routing, the extensions specified here have no direct effect on I= P routing. Tampering with GMPLS TE LSAs may have an impact on the ability to set up co= nnections in the underlying data plane network. Mechanisms such as [RFC2154= ] and [RFC5304] to protect the transmission of this information are suggest= ed. As the additional availability information may represent information= that an operator may wish to keep private, consideration should be given t= o securing this information. [RFC3630] notes that the security mechanisms d= escribed in [RFC2328] apply to Opaque LSAs carried in OSPFv2. An analysis of the security of OSPF is provided in= [RFC6863] and applies to the extensions to OSPF as described in this docum= ent. Any new mechanisms developed to protect the transmission of informatio= n carried in Opaque LSAs will also automatically protect the extensions defined in this document.


The text above (1) still says that the extensio= ns have no direct effect on IP routing, and (2) don't address that thre= at.=C2=A0 I think that the threat with tampering may not just impact the ab= ility to set up a connection, but it may cause routing not to be correct: u= se a congested path or follow a path with not enough bw, etc..=C2=A0 It sho= uldn't result in 100% lost traffic, but the routing could definitely be= suboptimal.

Thanks!

Alva= ro.
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[95.155.236.198]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r29sm73169lje.4.2017.10.12.23.53.34 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Oct 2017 23:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7C07C5F4-CCB3-40B0-BD77-C6EC2E3D7426" From: stefan vallin X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <001801d34376$924d0780$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 08:53:31 +0200 Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Message-Id: <79E90381-B3F1-475F-9827-4066F13322D2@wallan.se> References: <20171011.091345.493426747965748205.mbj@tail-f.com> <01e501d34273$790c5540$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <20171011.121823.1528389939292117625.mbj@tail-f.com> <03a501d3428b$27cb5240$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <00e701d342ab$34a8e0c0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <001801d34376$924d0780$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> To: "t.petch" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 06:53:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7C07C5F4-CCB3-40B0-BD77-C6EC2E3D7426 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 HI Tom! I would rather not have X.733 as normative, it is background information = for the alarm-module =E2=80=9CExtensive references=E2=80=9D: it is referenced in five places in the alarm module: 1) the module description: (one of the *input* docs) description "This module defines an interface for managing alarms. Main inputs to the module design are the 3GPP Alarm IRP, ITU-T X.733 and ANSI/ISA-18.2 alarm standards. 2) the severity typedef reference "ITU Recommendation X.733: Information Technology 3) leaf perceived-severity reference "ITU Recommendation X.733: Information Technology 4) leaf alarm-text reference "ITU Recommendation X.733: Information Technology 5) identity alarm-identity "Base identity for alarm types. A unique identification of the alarm, not including the resource. Different resources can share alarm types. If the resource reports the same alarm type, it is to be considered to be the same alarm. The alarm type is a simplification of the different X.733 and 3GPP alarm IRP alarm correlation mechanisms and it allows for hierarchical extensions. Maybe we should remove the ref to X.733 for alarm-text, not relevant? Just information for people that are looking for the additional-text = field. And X733 is mentioned in 5) to say that we are *different" from X.733. The alarm-module differs from X.733 in several ways: - X.733 is notification focused, the ietf-alarm-module focuses on alarms = as states with notifications as a =E2=80=9Cside-effect=E2=80=9D. This has a major impact. - our alarm list presents stateful alarms, not a list of notifications - Separation of alarm severity versus clearance state - Goodbye to the global flat name-space enum for probable-cause - Simplified mechanism for matching which notifications/state-changes = should be matched to the same alarm Then, we have a *separate* *optional* module ietf-alarms-x733.yang. This can be used if you want to make integration towards an X.733 based = alarm manager, NETCONF client easier. I would like to hear from others on this thread how relevant this still = is.=20 Alarm managers in the telecom area have been X.733 focused but that is = fading. The module augments the alarm-module with parameters like = probable-cause. But I am considering that we should remove this module (maybe put it in = separate draft) - It seems to be magnetic, draws peoples attention from the core = alarm-module - Not sure how relevant it is these days to be strictly X733 compliant,=20= - Would make the RFC shorter Also see my previous email to CCAMP where I summarised two responses in = NETMOD regarding ITU-T and the sharma draft. br Stefan Stefan Vallin stefan@wallan.se +46705233262 > On 12 Oct 2017, at 18:24, t.petch wrote: >=20 > Stefan >=20 > On a more objective(?) note, with there being extensive references = from > the > YANG modules to X.733 and X.736, I think that both those documents = have > to be Normative References, not Informative. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stefan vallin" > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:00 PM >=20 > Hi Tom! > Thanks for your comments. Forgot to comment on your RFC 3877 MIB = module > reference > I was very active in that discussion as well. >=20 > The 3877 module is complex in that it is a mapping mechanism to map > existing notifications and states into alarms. > The reason being that there was MIB modules out there where alarm = states > are =E2=80=9Chidden=E2=80=9D in existing SNMP notifications and = objects. > So, (I don=E2=80=99t like the word), it is kind of a meta-module. That = makes > 3877 complex. > But it had to be that way, since it =E2=80=9Ccame too late=E2=80=9D. = There was very > little chance to introduce new notifications and objects for alarms. > ifDown and ifOperState already existed ;) >=20 > In contrast our proposal is a =E2=80=9Cconcrete=E2=80=9D alarm module, = directly > modelling notifications and alarm states rather than mapping other > existing notifications and states into alarms. This is feasible since = we > are in the early days of YANG module authoring, we can have devices > support an alarm YANG. >=20 > Using RFC 3877 as a manager is complex, you have to interpret the > mapping. You do not get direct alarm information from it. > This in contrast to our proposed alarm YANG, it provides alarm > information directly. >=20 > Hope you see what I am trying to say here. Big difference in the > approaches and this is why it is so early to get a YANG Alarm Module = out > there fast. > So our alarm YANG is simple :) >=20 > Stefan Vallin > stefan@wallan.se > +46705233262 >=20 >> On 11 Oct 2017, at 18:07, t.petch wrote: >>=20 >> ---- Original Message ----- >> From: "stefan vallin" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:04 PM >>=20 >> Hi! >> Can you elaborate on what you mean with *complicated*, what is >> complicated in your mind? >>=20 >> >>=20 >> Stefan >>=20 >> 'Complicated' was my first impression on reading the original I-D = (you >> should not read too much into that word). Many YANG modules are >> reworking of >> MIB modules and, since I was involved with the Alarm MIB (RFC3877), I >> have that as my reference point for this work; the YANG module seems >> more complex to me. I was expecting something familiar looking and > did >> not get it; so my impression was 'complicated'. >>=20 >> And, as I said to Martin, IETF solutions often start simple and grow. >> With the Alarm MIB module, I perceived it as being made more complex > by >> the influence of M.3100, X.733, X.736 (I do, in general, see the = ITU-T >> as producing more complex work than the IETF, for better or worse). >>=20 >> The initial text is fine text, I would not want you to think I am >> suggesting otherwise, but having been through all the ITU-T >> Recomendations in this area in the past, and seeing how little (too >> little:-) prefatory text there is in most YANG I-Ds, I was querying > its >> place here, as opposed in a separate I-D. Sometimes IETF work starts >> with an RFC for the problem statement, separate from the RFC that is > the >> solution, and that could be an option here. >>=20 >> Tom Petch >>=20 >> The module provides alarm notifications and an alarm list >> It also has an alarm inventory, which alarms do a system have? >> Important to publish this over NETCONF/YANG rather than in a document > in >> the side. >> This is pretty basic things required for an alarm interface. >>=20 >> Then there are optional things like alarm shelving (filtering). >>=20 >> Nothing magic... >>=20 >> Excuse me for the initial text ;) >> The problem in the alarm area is information quality versus noise. >> Just putting a YANG model on noise does not help >> The initial pages puts information quality *requirements* on the > alarms, >> it is not a TM Forum book ;) >>=20 >> Stefan Vallin >> stefan@wallan.se >> +46705233262 >>=20 >>> On 11 Oct 2017, at 14:19, t.petch wrote: >>>=20 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Martin Bjorklund" >>> To: >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:18 AM >>>=20 >>>> Hi, >>>>=20 >>>> "t.petch" wrote: >>>>> Martin >>>>>=20 >>>>> When first I read this, in its netmod designation, I scribbled in >>> the >>>>> margin >>>>> ** immenseley complicated >>>>=20 >>>> Can you be more specific; is this to be interpreted in the light of >>>> your next comment (i.e., related to the text), or are you thinking >>>> about the data model's structure (or something else)? >>>>=20 >>>>> ** 20 pages of motherhood >>>>> :-( >>>>>=20 >>>>> It is unlike any other YANG module I-D that I have read. Most = such >>> I-D >>>>> are woefully weak on background information, leaving the reader in >>> the >>>>> dark as to the what and why of the YANG module. >>>>>=20 >>>>> This goes off the scale in the opposite direction (IMHO). >>>>>=20 >>>>> If you want to write an essay on Alarms, adding to the mountains >>> that >>>>> ITU-T have already produced, not to mention some smaller items of >>> the >>>>> IETF, then that should be a separate I-D, which the YANG module > I-D, >>> or >>>>> any other I-D, can reference. >>>>>=20 >>>>> As it is, I think that those 20 pages may alienate those whom you >>> might >>>>> like to review this, since they will know it already >>>>=20 >>>> Ok. If the background material is not needed, we can remove it (or >>>> move to an Appendix or possibly another document, as you suggest). >>>>=20 >>>> I assume you are referring to sections 3 and 4, and large parts of >> the >>>> text in section 5? Some of the text in section 5 would still be >>>> needed, but it can certainly be rewritten so that it is shorter. >>>=20 >>> Yes, that is what I have in mind, but I will be interested to see > what >>> others think; they may welcome it:-). >>>=20 >>> By complicated I mean all the different aspects of Alarms. I tend = to >>> see the IETF as starting simple and adding complications as and when >>> they are needed e.g. with Netconf or YANG. ITU-T, 3GPP and such = like >> I >>> tend to see as putting everything in up front, some of which may > never >>> get used, and I see this I-D as being more in that vein i.e. >>> complicated, at least as a starting point.. >>>=20 >>> Likewise, the IETF has a process whereby things that are not >>> sufficiently widely implemented get excised from a Full Standard, a >>> philosophy I like, but tend not to see in other SDO. >>>=20 >>> Tom Petch >>>=20 >>>> /martin >>>>=20 >>>>> , perhaps better >>>>> than the authors of this I-D. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Tom Petch >>>>>=20 >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Martin Bjorklund" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:13 AM >>>>> Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for >>>>> draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> We have submitted draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00. The >>> technical >>>>>> content is the same as in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02, >>> which >>>>>> we posted to the CCAMP mailing list some time ago for feedback. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> This draft is about generic alarm management. We kindly ask the >>> CCAMP >>>>>> WG to review this document and provide feedback. We especially >>>>>> welcome feedback from people who are also involved in similar = work >>> in >>>>>> the ITU. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> /martin & stefan >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> = -------------------------------------------------------------------- > - >> - >>> -- >>>>> -------- >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> CCAMP mailing list >>>>>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CCAMP mailing list >>> CCAMP@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_7C07C5F4-CCB3-40B0-BD77-C6EC2E3D7426 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 HI Tom!
I would rather not have X.733 as = normative, it is background information for the alarm-module

=E2=80=9CExtensive = references=E2=80=9D:
it is referenced in five = places in the alarm module:

1) the module description: (one of the *input* = docs)
 description
    "This module defines an interface for managing = alarms.  Main
     inputs to = the module design are the 3GPP Alarm IRP, ITU-T X.733
     and ANSI/ISA-18.2 alarm = standards.

2) = the severity typedef
    =   reference
        "ITU = Recommendation X.733: Information Technology

3) leaf = perceived-severity
    =   reference
        "ITU = Recommendation X.733: Information Technology

4) leaf = alarm-text
      = reference
        "ITU = Recommendation X.733: Information Technology

5) identity = alarm-identity
      = "Base identity for alarm types.  A unique identification of = the
       alarm, not including = the resource.  Different resources can
  =      share alarm types.  If the resource reports the = same alarm
       type, it is = to be considered to be the same alarm.  The alarm
       type is a simplification of the = different X.733 and 3GPP alarm
      =  IRP alarm correlation mechanisms and it allows for
       hierarchical = extensions.


Maybe we should remove = the ref to X.733 for alarm-text, not relevant?
Just = information for people that are looking for the additional-text = field.

And = X733 is mentioned in 5) to say that we are *different" from = X.733.

The = alarm-module differs from X.733 in several ways:
- = X.733 is notification focused, the ietf-alarm-module focuses on alarms = as states with notifications as a =E2=80=9Cside-effect=E2=80=9D.
This has a major impact.
- our alarm = list presents stateful alarms, not a list of notifications

- Separation of alarm = severity versus clearance state

- Goodbye to the global flat name-space = enum for probable-cause

- Simplified mechanism for matching which = notifications/state-changes should be matched to the same = alarm

Then, we = have a *separate* *optional* module ietf-alarms-x733.yang.
This can be used if you want to make integration towards an = X.733 based alarm manager, NETCONF client easier.
I = would like to hear from others on this thread how relevant this still = is. 
Alarm managers in the telecom area have = been X.733 focused but that is fading.
The module = augments the alarm-module with parameters like probable-cause.
But I am considering that we should remove this module (maybe = put it in separate draft)
- It seems to be = magnetic, draws peoples attention from the core alarm-module
- Not sure how relevant it is these days to be strictly X733 = compliant, 
- Would make the RFC = shorter

Also = see my previous email to CCAMP where I summarised two responses in = NETMOD regarding ITU-T and the sharma draft.

br Stefan





Stefan Vallin
stefan@wallan.se
+46705233262

On 12 Oct 2017, at 18:24, t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>= wrote:

Stefan

On a more objective(?) = note, with there being extensive references from
the
YANG modules to X.733 and X.736, I think that both those = documents have
to be Normative References, not = Informative.

Tom Petch


----- Original Message -----
From:= "stefan vallin" <stefan@wallan.se>
Sent: Wednesday, = October 11, 2017 9:00 PM

Hi Tom!
Thanks for your comments. Forgot to comment on your RFC 3877 = MIB module
reference
I was very active in = that discussion as well.

The 3877 module is = complex in that it is a mapping mechanism to map
existing = notifications and states into alarms.
The reason being = that there was MIB modules out there where alarm states
are = =E2=80=9Chidden=E2=80=9D in existing SNMP notifications and objects.
So, (I don=E2=80=99t like the word), it is kind of a = meta-module. That makes
3877 complex.
But it = had to be that way, since it =E2=80=9Ccame too late=E2=80=9D. There was = very
little chance to introduce new notifications and = objects for alarms.
ifDown and ifOperState already existed = ;)

In contrast our proposal is a = =E2=80=9Cconcrete=E2=80=9D alarm module, directly
modelling = notifications and alarm states rather than mapping other
existing notifications and states into alarms. This is = feasible since we
are in the early days of YANG module = authoring, we can have devices
support an alarm YANG.

Using RFC 3877 as a manager is complex, you = have to interpret the
mapping. You do not get direct alarm = information from it.
This in contrast to our proposed = alarm YANG, it provides alarm
information directly.

Hope you see what I am trying to say here. Big = difference in the
approaches and this is why it is so = early to get a YANG Alarm Module out
there fast.
So our alarm YANG is simple :)

Stefan Vallin
stefan@wallan.se
+46705233262

On 11 Oct = 2017, at 18:07, t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:

---- Original Message -----
From: = "stefan vallin" <stefan@wallan.se>
Sent: Wednesday, = October 11, 2017 2:04 PM

Hi!
Can you elaborate on what you mean with *complicated*, what = is
complicated in your mind?

<tp>

Stefan

'Complicated' was my first impression on = reading the original I-D (you
should not read too much = into that word).  Many YANG modules are
reworking = of
MIB modules and, since I was involved with the Alarm = MIB (RFC3877), I
have that as my reference point for this = work; the YANG module seems
more complex to me.  I = was expecting something familiar looking and
did
not get it; so my impression was 'complicated'.

And, as I said to Martin, IETF solutions often = start simple and grow.
With the Alarm MIB module, I = perceived it as being made more complex
by
the influence of M.3100, = X.733, X.736 (I do, in general, see the ITU-T
as producing = more complex work than the IETF, for better or worse).

The initial text is fine text, I would not want you to think = I am
suggesting otherwise, but having been through all the = ITU-T
Recomendations in this area in the past, and seeing = how little (too
little:-) prefatory text there is in most = YANG I-Ds, I was querying
its
place here, as opposed = in a separate I-D.  Sometimes IETF work starts
with = an RFC for the problem statement, separate from the RFC that is
the
solution, and that could be an option here.

Tom Petch

The module provides = alarm notifications and an alarm list
It also has an alarm = inventory, which alarms do a system have?
Important to = publish this over NETCONF/YANG rather than in a document
in
the side.
This is pretty basic things required = for an alarm interface.

Then there are = optional things like alarm shelving (filtering).

Nothing magic...

Excuse me for = the initial text ;)
The problem in the alarm area is = information quality versus noise.
Just putting a YANG = model on noise does not help
The initial pages puts = information quality *requirements* on the
alarms,
it is not a TM Forum book ;)

Stefan Vallin
stefan@wallan.se
+46705233262

On 11 Oct 2017, at 14:19, t.petch = <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:

----- = Original Message -----
From: "Martin Bjorklund" = <mbj@tail-f.com>
To: <ietfc@btconnect.com>
Cc: <ccamp@ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, = October 11, 2017 11:18 AM

Hi,

"t.petch" = <ietfc@btconnect.com> wrote:
Martin

When first I read this, = in its netmod designation, I scribbled in
the
margin
** immenseley complicated

Can you be more specific; is this to be interpreted in the = light of
your next comment (i.e., related to the text), or = are you thinking
about the data model's structure (or = something else)?

** 20 pages of motherhood
:-(

It is unlike any other YANG module I-D that I have read. =  Most such
I-D
are woefully weak on background information, leaving the = reader in
the
dark as to the what and why of the YANG module.

This goes off the scale in the opposite = direction (IMHO).

If you want to write an = essay on Alarms, adding to the mountains
that
ITU-T have = already produced, not to mention some smaller items of
the
IETF, then = that should be a separate I-D, which the YANG module
I-D,
or
any other I-D, can = reference.

As it is, I think that those 20 = pages may alienate those whom you
might
like to = review this, since they will know it already

Ok.  If the background = material is not needed, we can remove it (or
move to an = Appendix or possibly another document, as you suggest).

I assume you are referring to sections 3 and 4, and large = parts of
the
text in section 5?  Some of the text in section 5 would = still be
needed, but it can certainly be rewritten so that = it is shorter.

Yes, that is = what I have in mind, but I will be interested to see
what
others = think; they may welcome it:-).

By = complicated I mean all the different aspects of Alarms.  I tend = to
see the IETF as starting simple and adding = complications as and when
they are needed e.g. with = Netconf or YANG.  ITU-T, 3GPP and such like
I
tend to see as putting everything in up front, some of which = may
never
get used, and I see this I-D as being more in that vein = i.e.
complicated, at least as a starting point..

Likewise, the IETF has a process whereby = things that are not
sufficiently widely implemented get = excised from a Full Standard, a
philosophy I like, but = tend not to see in other SDO.

Tom Petch

/martin

, perhaps = better
than the authors of this I-D.



Tom Petch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin = Bjorklund" <mbj@tail-f.com>
To: = <ccamp@ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 = 8:13 AM
Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification = for
draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt

Hi,

We have submitted = draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.  The
technical
content is the same as = in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02,
which
we posted to the CCAMP = mailing list some time ago for feedback.

This= draft is about generic alarm management.  We kindly ask the
CCAMP
WG to review this = document and provide feedback.  We especially
welcome = feedback from people who are also involved in similar work
in
the ITU.

/martin & stefan





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2017 11:56:33.2676 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM5PR0701MB2996 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 11:56:40 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "stefan vallin" To: "t.petch" Cc: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 7:53 AM HI Tom! I would rather not have X.733 as normative, it is background information for the alarm-module “Extensive references”: it is referenced in five places in the alarm module: On 12 Oct 2017, at 18:24, t.petch wrote: > > Stefan > > On a more objective(?) note, with there being extensive references from > the > YANG modules to X.733 and X.736, I think that both those documents have > to be Normative References, not Informative. > > Tom Petch > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stefan vallin" > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 9:00 PM > > Hi Tom! > Thanks for your comments. Forgot to comment on your RFC 3877 MIB module > reference > I was very active in that discussion as well. > > The 3877 module is complex in that it is a mapping mechanism to map > existing notifications and states into alarms. > The reason being that there was MIB modules out there where alarm states > are “hidden” in existing SNMP notifications and objects. > So, (I don’t like the word), it is kind of a meta-module. That makes > 3877 complex. > But it had to be that way, since it “came too late”. There was very > little chance to introduce new notifications and objects for alarms. > ifDown and ifOperState already existed ;) > > In contrast our proposal is a “concrete” alarm module, directly > modelling notifications and alarm states rather than mapping other > existing notifications and states into alarms. This is feasible since we > are in the early days of YANG module authoring, we can have devices > support an alarm YANG. > > Using RFC 3877 as a manager is complex, you have to interpret the > mapping. You do not get direct alarm information from it. > This in contrast to our proposed alarm YANG, it provides alarm > information directly. > > Hope you see what I am trying to say here. Big difference in the > approaches and this is why it is so early to get a YANG Alarm Module out > there fast. > So our alarm YANG is simple :) > > Stefan Vallin > stefan@wallan.se > +46705233262 > >> On 11 Oct 2017, at 18:07, t.petch wrote: >> >> ---- Original Message ----- >> From: "stefan vallin" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:04 PM >> >> Hi! >> Can you elaborate on what you mean with *complicated*, what is >> complicated in your mind? >> >> >> >> Stefan >> >> 'Complicated' was my first impression on reading the original I-D (you >> should not read too much into that word). Many YANG modules are >> reworking of >> MIB modules and, since I was involved with the Alarm MIB (RFC3877), I >> have that as my reference point for this work; the YANG module seems >> more complex to me. I was expecting something familiar looking and > did >> not get it; so my impression was 'complicated'. >> >> And, as I said to Martin, IETF solutions often start simple and grow. >> With the Alarm MIB module, I perceived it as being made more complex > by >> the influence of M.3100, X.733, X.736 (I do, in general, see the ITU-T >> as producing more complex work than the IETF, for better or worse). >> >> The initial text is fine text, I would not want you to think I am >> suggesting otherwise, but having been through all the ITU-T >> Recomendations in this area in the past, and seeing how little (too >> little:-) prefatory text there is in most YANG I-Ds, I was querying > its >> place here, as opposed in a separate I-D. Sometimes IETF work starts >> with an RFC for the problem statement, separate from the RFC that is > the >> solution, and that could be an option here. >> >> Tom Petch >> >> The module provides alarm notifications and an alarm list >> It also has an alarm inventory, which alarms do a system have? >> Important to publish this over NETCONF/YANG rather than in a document > in >> the side. >> This is pretty basic things required for an alarm interface. >> >> Then there are optional things like alarm shelving (filtering). >> >> Nothing magic... >> >> Excuse me for the initial text ;) >> The problem in the alarm area is information quality versus noise. >> Just putting a YANG model on noise does not help >> The initial pages puts information quality *requirements* on the > alarms, >> it is not a TM Forum book ;) >> >> Stefan Vallin >> stefan@wallan.se >> +46705233262 >> >>> On 11 Oct 2017, at 14:19, t.petch wrote: >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Martin Bjorklund" >>> To: >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:18 AM >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> "t.petch" wrote: >>>>> Martin >>>>> >>>>> When first I read this, in its netmod designation, I scribbled in >>> the >>>>> margin >>>>> ** immenseley complicated >>>> >>>> Can you be more specific; is this to be interpreted in the light of >>>> your next comment (i.e., related to the text), or are you thinking >>>> about the data model's structure (or something else)? >>>> >>>>> ** 20 pages of motherhood >>>>> :-( >>>>> >>>>> It is unlike any other YANG module I-D that I have read. Most such >>> I-D >>>>> are woefully weak on background information, leaving the reader in >>> the >>>>> dark as to the what and why of the YANG module. >>>>> >>>>> This goes off the scale in the opposite direction (IMHO). >>>>> >>>>> If you want to write an essay on Alarms, adding to the mountains >>> that >>>>> ITU-T have already produced, not to mention some smaller items of >>> the >>>>> IETF, then that should be a separate I-D, which the YANG module > I-D, >>> or >>>>> any other I-D, can reference. >>>>> >>>>> As it is, I think that those 20 pages may alienate those whom you >>> might >>>>> like to review this, since they will know it already >>>> >>>> Ok. If the background material is not needed, we can remove it (or >>>> move to an Appendix or possibly another document, as you suggest). >>>> >>>> I assume you are referring to sections 3 and 4, and large parts of >> the >>>> text in section 5? Some of the text in section 5 would still be >>>> needed, but it can certainly be rewritten so that it is shorter. >>> >>> Yes, that is what I have in mind, but I will be interested to see > what >>> others think; they may welcome it:-). >>> >>> By complicated I mean all the different aspects of Alarms. I tend to >>> see the IETF as starting simple and adding complications as and when >>> they are needed e.g. with Netconf or YANG. ITU-T, 3GPP and such like >> I >>> tend to see as putting everything in up front, some of which may > never >>> get used, and I see this I-D as being more in that vein i.e. >>> complicated, at least as a starting point.. >>> >>> Likewise, the IETF has a process whereby things that are not >>> sufficiently widely implemented get excised from a Full Standard, a >>> philosophy I like, but tend not to see in other SDO. >>> >>> Tom Petch >>> >>>> /martin >>>> >>>>> , perhaps better >>>>> than the authors of this I-D. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tom Petch >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Martin Bjorklund" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:13 AM >>>>> Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for >>>>> draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00.txt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> We have submitted draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-00. The >>> technical >>>>>> content is the same as in draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module-02, >>> which >>>>>> we posted to the CCAMP mailing list some time ago for feedback. >>>>>> >>>>>> This draft is about generic alarm management. We kindly ask the >>> CCAMP >>>>>> WG to review this document and provide feedback. 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with ESMTP id 18DD7126B6E; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:49:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150846418905.26636.5733507165585505811@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:49:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 01:49:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : A framework for Management and Control of microwave and millimeter wave interface parameters Authors : Jonas Ahlberg Luis M. Contreras Ye Min Marko Vaupotic Jeff Tantsura Koji Kawada Xi Li Ippei Akiyoshi Carlos J. Bernardos Daniela Spreafico Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2017-10-19 Abstract: To ensure an efficient data transport, meeting the requirements requested by today's transport services, the unification of control and management of microwave and millimeter wave radio link interfaces is a precondition for seamless multilayer networking and automated network wide provisioning and operation. This document describes the required characteristics and use cases for control and management of radio link interface parameters using a YANG Data Model. It focuses on the benefits of a standardized management model that is aligned with how other packet technology interfaces in a microwave/millimeter wave node are modeled, the need to support core parameters and at the same time allow for optional product/feature specific parameters supporting new, unique innovative features until they have become mature enough to be included in the standardized model. The purpose is to create a framework for identification of the necessary information elements and definition of a YANG Data Model for control and management of the radio link interfaces in a microwave/millimeter wave node. Some part of the resulting model MAY be generic which COULD also be used by other technology. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Oct 19 19:06:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F116126B6E for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:06:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oAynscDWUxJf for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5E5E132403 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DYC10451; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 02:06:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEMA406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.20.47) by LHREML712-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 03:06:32 +0100 Received: from DGGEMA501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.157]) by DGGEMA406-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.3.20.47]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:06:29 +0800 From: "Yemin (Amy)" To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHTSUXAkpYnSrxL7EKTI69tka1UyqLr+QkA Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 02:06:29 +0000 Message-ID: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FC759D6F2@DGGEMA501-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: <150846418905.26636.5733507165585505811@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <150846418905.26636.5733507165585505811@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.169.30.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020206.59E95A2A.0037, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.1.157, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 8c83e475839f9436a5d1c10fdd0419db Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 02:06:38 -0000 Dear CCAMPers, The framework draft is updated to address the comment received from the las= t meeting.=20 The text is added in the abstract and section 6 to emphasize some part of t= he resulting model MAY be generic, so it could be used by other technology.= =20 The hackathon activity validating the framework and the YANG model in IETF = 99 was also added at end of section 7.3.=20 A new co-author Daniela Spreafico is added to the draft.=20 In all, the authors believes the draft address all the comments, would like= to ask for WG LC. BR, Amy (on behalf of the co-authors) -----Original Message----- From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ie= tf.org Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 9:50 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of= the IETF. Title : A framework for Management and Control of microwa= ve and millimeter wave interface parameters Authors : Jonas Ahlberg Luis M. Contreras Ye Min Marko Vaupotic Jeff Tantsura Koji Kawada Xi Li Ippei Akiyoshi Carlos J. Bernardos Daniela Spreafico Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2017-10-19 Abstract: To ensure an efficient data transport, meeting the requirements requested by today's transport services, the unification of control and management of microwave and millimeter wave radio link interfaces is a precondition for seamless multilayer networking and automated network wide provisioning and operation. This document describes the required characteristics and use cases for control and management of radio link interface parameters using a YANG Data Model. It focuses on the benefits of a standardized management model that is aligned with how other packet technology interfaces in a microwave/millimeter wave node are modeled, the need to support core parameters and at the same time allow for optional product/feature specific parameters supporting new, unique innovative features until they have become mature enough to be included in the standardized model. The purpose is to create a framework for identification of the necessary information elements and definition of a YANG Data Model for control and management of the radio link interfaces in a microwave/millimeter wave node. Some part of the resulting model MAY be generic which COULD also be used by other technology. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-= 02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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[IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D031345D8; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: ccamp@ietf.org, db3546@att.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150854547527.20809.15356667302138242249.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:35 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] ccamp - Requested sessions have been scheduled for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 00:24:35 -0000 Dear Daniele Ceccarelli, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. ccamp Session 1 (2:00:00) Tuesday, Afternoon Session II 1550-1750 Room Name: Bras Basah size: 100 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Common Control and Measurement Plane Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Daniele Ceccarelli Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours, 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mpls pce teas mpls pce teas Second Priority: rtgarea detnet bess netmod rtgarea detnet bess netmod Third Priority: ospf i2rs ospf i2rs People who must be present: Deborah Brungard Fatai Zhang Daniele Ceccarelli Deborah Brungard Fatai Zhang Daniele Ceccarelli Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Oct 23 03:49:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C5D13E167 for ; 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We'll start with the I= PR polling. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR.=20 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. 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Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:29:32 +0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kunze=2C_R=FCdiger?= To: Daniele Ceccarelli , "Mattheus, Arnold" , "Paul, Manuel" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6se=2C_Josef?= , =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=FCnnemann=2C_Frank?= , "Gert Grammel (ggrammel@juniper.net)" , "Dieter Beller (Dieter.Beller@nokia.com)" , "Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) (ggalimbe@cisco.com)" , "'Julien Meuric' (julien.meuric@orange.com) (julien.meuric@orange.com)" CC: "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR polling - draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk-07 Thread-Index: AdNL7A8xSb9NjMq9Snik9f5MkSy0HAABgHRQ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:29:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=RKunze@telekom.de; x-originating-ip: [164.19.3.249] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; LEXPR01MB0703; 6:9SpEpgkwZZf+S7YjRD1uRg5ZBRTqJ55x7h8EpcEoJtofQGGNW735LhvuSO2JLM8okscWqqw7RyldhgVwSN/vPMM7Mc4nkQFkmTGJUJB+K09XSZQTP2nBHZyC/aTJc5/CgkRyFNLWrgjk24cXDmDUcRP+Z7spIKN4tAxGzrudE0yQdN0LIZ0u71zj0oGDjDy26CvN3Dp5d+eC8ac2koNguWZUkugXjApaSFcQmEh2/JJ9p0lLOeXYh8ivjp4Lw7gagmEMZGCwDsyOgucheF/1RYu+Is+QNfZ5YR/V6cPtZEQ7NHhGJBHUNp7D1S/3ki1SLuv+XGI0+Mh+k1j9iUYapQ==; 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SRVR:LEXPR01MB0703; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(100000800101)(100110000095)(100000801101)(100110300095)(100000802101)(100110100095)(100000803101)(100110400095)(100000804101)(100110200095)(100000805101)(100110500095); SRVR:LEXPR01MB0703; x-forefront-prvs: 046985391D received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: telekom.de does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 19859aec-7921-4d3b-13ab-08d51a0954ed X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Oct 2017 11:29:32.3550 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bde4dffc-4b60-4cf6-8b04-a5eeb25f5c4f X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: LEXPR01MB0703 X-OriginatorOrg: telekom.de Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling - draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:29:43 -0000 Hi all, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Br, R=FCdiger -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 12:49 An: Mattheus, Arnold ; Paul, Manuel ; R=F6se, Josef ; L=FCnnemann, Frank ; Kunze, R=FCdiger ; Gert Gramme= l (ggrammel@juniper.net) ; Dieter Beller (Dieter.Bell= er@nokia.com) ; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimb= e) (ggalimbe@cisco.com) ; 'Julien Meuric' (julien.meuri= c@orange.com) (julien.meuric@orange.com) Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Betreff: IPR polling - draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk-07 Authors, Contributors, CCAMP,=20 It's time to consider moving the framework for Management and Control of DW= DM optical interface parameters to the WG last call. We'll start with the I= PR polling. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR.=20 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. Thank you, Daniele & Fatai From nobody Mon Oct 23 04:46:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EFC313F3A5 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 04:46:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.534 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.534 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ivqgoKCtJTxq for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 04:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from r-mail2.rd.orange.com (r-mail2.rd.orange.com [217.108.152.42]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B09138239 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 04:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from r-mail2.rd.orange.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F6155D8996; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:46:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.194.32.11]) by r-mail2.rd.orange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FAB5D898C; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:46:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.193.71.63] (10.193.71.63) by FTRDCH01.rd.francetelecom.fr (10.194.32.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.361.1; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:46:37 +0200 To: Daniele Ceccarelli CC: "arnold.Mattheus@telekom.de" , "Manuel.Paul@telekom.de" , "j.roese@telekom.de" , "Frank.Luennemann@telekom.de" , =?UTF-8?B?S3VuemUsIFLDvGRpZ2Vy?= , "Gert Grammel (ggrammel@juniper.net)" , "Dieter Beller (Dieter.Beller@nokia.com)" , "Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) (ggalimbe@cisco.com)" , "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" References: From: Julien Meuric Organization: Orange Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:46:37 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling - draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk-07 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:46:41 -0000 Hi Daniele, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Thanks, Julien Oct. 23, 2017 - daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com: > Authors, Contributors, CCAMP, > > It's time to consider moving the framework for Management and Control of DWDM optical interface parameters to the WG last call. We'll start with the IPR polling. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Daniele & Fatai > From nobody Mon Oct 23 04:57:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB5713F3A5 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 04:57:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=juniper.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NdomIeWnDUUf for ; 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Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:57:47 +0000 From: Gert Grammel To: Daniele Ceccarelli , "arnold.Mattheus@telekom.de" , "Manuel.Paul@telekom.de" , "j.roese@telekom.de" , "Ext - Frank.Luennemann@telekom.de" , =?utf-8?B?S3VuemUsIFLDvGRpZ2Vy?= , "Dieter Beller (Dieter.Beller@nokia.com)" , "Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) (ggalimbe@cisco.com)" , "'Julien Meuric' (julien.meuric@orange.com) (julien.meuric@orange.com)" CC: "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR polling - draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk-07 Thread-Index: AdNL7A8xSb9NjMq9Snik9f5MkSy0HAAGuCQA Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:57:47 +0000 Message-ID: <2A188BD6-54C1-4328-A58C-6964E1ACA3E1@juniper.net> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.1d.0.161209 x-originating-ip: [193.110.55.12] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; BN3PR05MB2690; 6:Tpml/6TaFdnaMG4Tmwsyx6BH29g/UE62nz6aYI5/NB1fmza1+3gximRFS+isosV9GS2FA1K4I6pwzYd7hK/Eh4w9tOCKujcciJDFnswdTBOP5wJd81wv5RfF6A0VlL2t2pd8Zw35S4g9VM6++c8NkgCUTWGHBy0uBRE5rO5hmE/0NFxymQzbSu3fuEEQLKmxv7A31/UrUbDCRIgeWbOCzEV1CzzEe3fD/Q41d9HALzNV1fu0BLUWOqzsn/QR99PLhwAD1idiHKnfYz/r2XRnynOQiA1Zs66LacwcRKcBGkzW+rF15d/Cg5vLFxSICo+TQ0xhrehw7vkPjwCde0Vj66a/GBg1KX6yDS0F/PrClxE=; 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Br, Arnold.=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 12:49 An: Mattheus, Arnold ; Paul, Manuel ; R=F6se, Josef ; L=FCnnemann, Frank ; Kunze, R=FCdiger ; Gert Gramme= l (ggrammel@juniper.net) ; Dieter Beller (Dieter.Bell= er@nokia.com) ; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimb= e) (ggalimbe@cisco.com) ; 'Julien Meuric' (julien.meuri= c@orange.com) (julien.meuric@orange.com) Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Betreff: IPR polling - draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk-07 Authors, Contributors, CCAMP,=20 It's time to consider moving the framework for Management and Control of DW= DM optical interface parameters to the WG last call. We'll start with the I= PR polling. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR.=20 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. 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We'll start with the IPR polling. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Daniele & Fatai From nobody Mon Oct 23 05:52:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D5613F570 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 05:52:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.32 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.32 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=telekom.de Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0H30HAk4-RLZ for ; 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Best, Manuel=20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 12:49 An: Mattheus, Arnold ; Paul, Manuel ; R=F6se, Josef ; L=FCnnemann, Frank ; Kunze, R=FCdiger ; Gert Gramme= l (ggrammel@juniper.net) ; Dieter Beller (Dieter.Bell= er@nokia.com) ; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimb= e) (ggalimbe@cisco.com) ; 'Julien Meuric' (julien.meuri= c@orange.com) (julien.meuric@orange.com) Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Betreff: IPR polling - draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk-07 Authors, Contributors, CCAMP,=20 It's time to consider moving the framework for Management and Control of DW= DM optical interface parameters to the WG last call. We'll start with the I= PR polling. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? 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Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:46:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150878800803.24590.2033615103929372503@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 12:46:48 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-02.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 19:46:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Microwave Radio Link Authors : Jonas Ahlberg Ye Min Xi Li Koji Kawada Carlos J. Bernardos Daniela Spreafico Marko Vaupotic Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-02.txt Pages : 39 Date : 2017-10-23 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for control and management of the radio link interfaces, and their connectivity to packet (typically Ethernet) interfaces in a microwave/millimeter wave node. The data nodes for management of the interface protection functionality is broken out into a separate and generic YANG data model in order to make it available also for other interface types. 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FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: ericsson.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 0d852f4e-3f08-4b37-4b9d-08d51a4ff39f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Oct 2017 19:55:03.3741 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM3PR07MB451 X-OriginatorOrg: ericsson.com X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrNIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7hK6k57tIg/OrJS2ezLnB4sDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujG1NBxgLTopWHP8l08C4SaCLkZNDQsBEYvfUA2xdjFwcQgJH GCW27XjJCOGcYJRY+30vO4jDItDLLHFo126osilMErcf/WOCcB4ySnTf6GIGGcYmYCDx5tU8 NhBbREBV4szNi4wgtrCAg8S+2W1AcQ6guKPErFkCECVGEnuOXQArYQEqv/ryHwuIzSsQJbF5 VjPYGCEBZ4m+RROYQGxOAReJk99ugK1iFBCT+H5qDVicWUBc4taT+UwQ/whILNlznhnCFpV4 +fgfK0R9rMTbF69YIOIKEgf7H0LVy0pcmt/NCGHPZJeYca0MwtaT2DrxLVTcV+Lz44csIP9K CMxglHiybQvUAk2JB6evsELY1hInFt+EWpAp0bb8PTNEwyVWibP/J0Jtk5H4eHYyO0RiIZtE 549TzBMYdWch+QLC1pFYsPsTG4StLbFs4WvmWeCQEZQ4OfMJywJGllWMosWpxUm56UbGeqlF mcnFxfl5enmpJZsYgUni4JbfqjsYL79xPMQowMGoxMNbbPAuUog1say4MvcQowQHs5IIb9HP t5FCvCmJlVWpRfnxRaU5qcWHGKU5WJTEeR33XYgQEkhPLEnNTk0tSC2CyTJxcEo1MBpUGr/Z 8fPWrfZWE/95SxWZ846+VXZd9ZXtiNxrzfKVdiWcb9InbvOfbrDS+2elTr3oySgp0T+dM6tv b23oXC/ycGqiM2OI0sRzQQc4fpruXmv3SzrwBoOaOWfQ6ofCWY+z7yextt+4k/Nu8jGF6vTW G4Xn3fSnH9i2XeeDR/M9/hWM6yul7yixFGckGmoxFxUnAgB3Kyq0DgMAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-02.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 19:55:09 -0000 Dear CCAMPers, The draft of the YANG Data Model for Microwave Radio Link has now been upda= ted to address the comments received from the last meeting.=20 - The data nodes for management of the interface protection functionality h= as been broken out into a separate and generic YANG data module in order to= make it available also for other interface types. - The structure of the data model has been updated according to the new Net= work Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA). In all, the authors believe the draft addresses all the comments and would = like to ask for WG LC. BR, JonasA (on behalf of the co-authors) -----Original Message----- From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ie= tf.org Sent: den 23 oktober 2017 21:47 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of= the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Microwave Radio Link Authors : Jonas Ahlberg Ye Min Xi Li Koji Kawada Carlos J. Bernardos Daniela Spreafico Marko Vaupotic Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-02.txt Pages : 39 Date : 2017-10-23 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for control and management of the radio link interfaces, and their connectivity to packet (typically Ethernet) interfaces in a microwave/millimeter wave node. The data nodes for management of the interface protection functionality is broken out into a separate and generic YANG data model in order to make it available also for other interface types. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-mw-yang-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Hi Daniele,
 
I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.


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Are you aw= are of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?
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------=_001_NextPart318023115518_=------ From nobody Tue Oct 24 02:43:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF71713F071; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 02:43:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150883823474.25174.14422543849492971103@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 02:43:54 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-11.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 09:43:55 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : OSPF-Traffic Engineering Link Availability Extension for Links with Variable Discrete Bandwidth Authors : Hao Long Min Ye Greg Mirsky Alessandro D'Alessandro Himanshu Shah Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-11.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2017-10-24 Abstract: A network may contain links with variable discrete bandwidth, e.g., copper, radio, etc. The bandwidth of such links may change discretely in reaction to changing external environment. Availability is typically used for describing such links during network planning. This document defines a new type of the Generalized Switching Capability-specific information (SCSI) TLV to extend the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) routing protocol. The extension can be used for route computation in a network that contains links with variable discrete bandwidth. Note, this document only covers the mechanisms by which the availability information is distributed. The mechanisms by which availability information of a link is determined and the use of the distributed information for route computation are outside the scope of this document. It is intended that technology- specific documents will reference this document to describe specific uses. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Oct 24 02:48:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CA213F5D1 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 02:48:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rt0uLbzDM2_K for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 02:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A2ED13F3C4 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 02:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DRF44941; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 09:48:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEMA402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.20.43) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.48) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 10:48:14 +0100 Received: from DGGEMA501-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.157]) by DGGEMA402-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.3.20.43]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 17:47:28 +0800 From: "Yemin (Amy)" To: "ccamp@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-11.txt Thread-Index: AQHTTKym+TXIBOEG7EC10zkJ7vudsaLyv/GQ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 09:47:27 +0000 Message-ID: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FC759E38B@DGGEMA501-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: <150883823474.25174.14422543849492971103@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <150883823474.25174.14422543849492971103@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.169.30.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090201.59EF0C6E.0032, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.1.157, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: a6e3da87c1604ec163c2d5106c1c6721 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-11.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 09:48:34 -0000 Hi CCAMPers, The draft is updated to address the comments received in IESG review.=20 BR, Amy (on behalf of the co-authors) -----Original Message----- From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ie= tf.org Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 5:44 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: ccamp@ietf.org Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-1= 1.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of= the IETF. Title : OSPF-Traffic Engineering Link Availability Extens= ion for Links with Variable Discrete Bandwidth Authors : Hao Long Min Ye Greg Mirsky Alessandro D'Alessandro Himanshu Shah Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-11.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2017-10-24 Abstract: A network may contain links with variable discrete bandwidth, e.g., copper, radio, etc. The bandwidth of such links may change discretely in reaction to changing external environment. Availability is typically used for describing such links during network planning. This document defines a new type of the Generalized Switching Capability-specific information (SCSI) TLV to extend the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Open Shortest Path First (OSPF) routing protocol. The extension can be used for route computation in a network that contains links with variable discrete bandwidth. Note, this document only covers the mechanisms by which the availability information is distributed. The mechanisms by which availability information of a link is determined and the use of the distributed information for route computation are outside the scope of this document. It is intended that technology- specific documents will reference this document to describe specific uses. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extensi= on/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-11 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-ex= tension-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-exte= nsion-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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[217.77.82.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 31sm325428wrm.0.2017.10.24.06.39.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Oct 2017 06:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Domenico Siracusa Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_69DD1816-82BF-4706-AE92-0DE4C2EC85E7" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 15:39:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1fed05a0-8ab3-b319-623f-23b87f38f6f4@fbk.eu> Cc: Giovanni Martinelli , "Zhangxian (Xian) (zhang.xian@huawei.com)" , Federico Pederzolli , "ylee@huawei.com" , "Fatai Zhang (zhangfatai@huawei.com)" , "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" , Andrea Zanardi To: Gabriele Galimberti , Daniele Ceccarelli References: <1fed05a0-8ab3-b319-623f-23b87f38f6f4@fbk.eu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-martinelli-ccamp-wson-iv-encode-08 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 13:39:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_69DD1816-82BF-4706-AE92-0DE4C2EC85E7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 No, I=E2=80=99m not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Sorry for the delay. Best Regards, Domenico > On 31 Aug 2017, at 14:24, Andrea Zanardi wrote: >=20 >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > Regards, > Andrea >=20 > On 08/30/2017 03:57 PM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: >> Resending with the correct email addresses. >> BR >> Daniele >> *From:*CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Daniele = Ceccarelli >> *Sent:* mercoled=C3=AC 30 agosto 2017 14:40 >> *To:* Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti) (giomarti@cisco.com) = ; Zhangxian (Xian) (zhang.xian@huawei.com) = ; Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) = (ggalimbe@cisco.com) ; = domenico.siracusa@create-net.org; andrea.zanardi@create-net.org; = federico.perderzolli@create-net.org; ylee@huawei.com; Fatai Zhang = (zhangfatai@huawei.com) >> *Cc:* CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) >> *Subject:* [CCAMP] IPR polling on = draft-martinelli-ccamp-wson-iv-encode-08 >> Authors, Contributors, CCAMP, >> As previously anticipated let=E2=80=99s start with the IPR polling = for the draft in the subject. >> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? >> Please state either: >> "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >> or >> "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules = (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? >> If yes to the above, please state either: >> "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" >> or >> "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >> If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think = appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor = please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. >> NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >> If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author = or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR = rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of = others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more = information, please see the RFCs listed above and = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >> Thank you, >> Daniele & Fatai >=20 >=20 > --=20 > -------------------------------------------------------- > Andrea Zanardi > Senior Engineer > SIRIS > CREATE-NET Research Center > Fondazione Bruno Kessler (FBK) > via alla Cascata 56/D > 38123 Povo, Trento (Italy) > F: +39 0461 312450 > M: +39 340 0011837 > e-mail: azanardi@fbk.eu > www: http://create-net.fbk.eu > Skype: zanardi_andrea > -------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity = to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, = or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited according to = the > Italian Law 196/2003 of the Legislature. If you received this in = error, > please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >=20 > Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta elettronica e = nei > file allegati sono da considerarsi strettamente riservate. Il loro = utilizzo > e' consentito esclusivamente al destinatario del messaggio, per le = finalita' > indicate nel messaggio stesso. Qualora riceveste questo messaggio = senza > esserne il destinatario, Vi preghiamo cortesemente di darcene notizia = via > e-mail e di procedere alla cancellazione del messaggio stesso dal = Vostro > sistema. Trattenere il messaggio stesso, divulgarlo anche in parte, > distribuirlo ad altri soggetti, copiarlo, od utilizzarlo per finalita' > diverse, costituisce comportamento contrario ai principi dettati dal = D. Lgs. > 196/2003. >=20 --=20 Domenico Siracusa, PhD Deputy Head=20 FuN - Future Networks ----------------------------------------=20 CREATE-NET Research Center Fondazione Bruno Kessler (FBK) via alla Cascata 56D 38123 Povo, Trento (Italy) F: +39 0461 312435 M: +39 3346049758 e-mail: dsiracusa@fbk.eu www: https://fun.fbk.eu/ Skype: custoz --Apple-Mail=_69DD1816-82BF-4706-AE92-0DE4C2EC85E7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 No, I=E2=80=99m not aware of any IPR that applies to this = draft.

Sorry for the = delay.

Best Regards,
Domenico

On 31 Aug 2017, at 14:24, Andrea Zanardi <azanardi@fbk.eu> = wrote:


 "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that = applies to this draft"

Regards,
Andrea

On 08/30/2017 03:57 PM, = Daniele Ceccarelli wrote:
Resending with the correct email addresses.
BRDaniele
*From:*CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Daniele = Ceccarelli
*Sent:* mercoled=C3=AC 30 agosto 2017 14:40
*To:* Giovanni Martinelli (giomarti) (giomarti@cisco.com) = <giomarti@cisco.com>; Zhangxian (Xian) (zhang.xian@huawei.com) <zhang.xian@huawei.com>; Gabriele Maria Galimberti = (ggalimbe) (ggalimbe@cisco.com) <ggalimbe@cisco.com>; = domenico.siracusa@create-net.org; andrea.zanardi@create-net.org; federico.perderzolli@create-net.org; ylee@huawei.com; Fatai = Zhang (zhangfatai@huawei.com) <zhangfatai@huawei.com>
*Cc:* CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
*Subject:* [CCAMP] IPR polling on = draft-martinelli-ccamp-wson-iv-encode-08
Authors, = Contributors, CCAMP,
As previously anticipated let=E2=80=99s= start with the IPR polling for the draft in the subject.
Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified = above?
Please state either:
"No, I'm not = aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"
If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF = IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?
If yes to the above, please state either:
"Yes, = the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"
If you answer no, please provide any additional details you = think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor = please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of = whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
NOTE: = THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.
If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as = an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the = IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware = of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from = participating in any contribution or discussion related to your = undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above = and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPro= perty.
Thank you,
Daniele & Fatai


--
--------------------------------------------------------
Andrea Zanardi
Senior Engineer
SIRIS
CREATE-NET Research Center
Fondazione Bruno Kessler (FBK)
via alla Cascata = 56/D
38123 Povo, Trento (Italy)
F: +39 0461 = 312450
M: +39 340 0011837
e-mail: azanardi@fbk.eu
www: http://create-net.fbk.eu
Skype: = zanardi_andrea
--------------------------------------------------------

The information transmitted is intended only = for the person or entity to
which it is addressed and may = contain confidential and/or privileged
material. Any = review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or
taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by = persons or
entities other than the intended recipient is = prohibited according to the
Italian Law 196/2003 of the = Legislature. If you received this in error,
please contact = the sender and delete the material from any computer.

Le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio di posta = elettronica e nei
file allegati sono da considerarsi = strettamente riservate. Il loro utilizzo
e' consentito = esclusivamente al destinatario del messaggio, per le finalita'
indicate nel messaggio stesso. Qualora riceveste questo = messaggio senza
esserne il destinatario, Vi preghiamo = cortesemente di darcene notizia via
e-mail e di procedere = alla cancellazione del messaggio stesso dal Vostro
sistema. = Trattenere il messaggio stesso, divulgarlo anche in parte,
distribuirlo ad altri soggetti, copiarlo, od utilizzarlo per = finalita'
diverse, costituisce comportamento contrario ai = principi dettati dal D. Lgs.
196/2003.


-- 
Domenico = Siracusa, PhD
Deputy Head 
FuN - Future = Networks
---------------------------------------- 
CREATE-NET Research Center
Fondazione Bruno = Kessler (FBK)
via alla Cascata 56D
38123 = Povo, Trento (Italy)
F: +39 0461 312435
M: +39 3346049758
e-mail: dsiracusa@fbk.eu
www: https://fun.fbk.eu/
Skype: custoz



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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear CCAMPers, It's time to start building the agenda for the CCAMP session @IETF 100 Please, keep this in mind: WG Draft authors are expected to present if there are open issues to discus= s, or to send status to the list *1 week* prior to the WG meeting if not p= resenting. Status includes review of: any recent changes, any open discussi= ons or issues, and planned next steps. Agenda Requests: - To submit a request, please fill the survey at the following link. - There will be no joint YANG session at this time. - Please fill the survey no later than Sunday, October 29th. Presentations: If you are presenting slides please make sure you send them to all *indi= viduals* listed above (Chairs, Secretary and exclude CCAMP) no later than = Sunday, November 12th. Reminder about a few important dates: * 2017-10-30 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all draft= s, including -00) by UTC 23:59, upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. * 2017-10-30 (Monday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59, up= load using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. * 2017-11-06 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59, = upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. * 2017-11-12 - 2017-11-17: IETF 100 in Singapore Best Regards, Daniele, Fatai, =D3scar --_000_HE1PR0701MB2714AAAA001B5727E76C7F4EF0450HE1PR0701MB2714_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear CCAMPers,

 =

It’s time to start= building the agenda for the CCAMP session @IETF 100

 

Please, keep this in mind:

 =

WG Draft authors are expected to present if there are open issue= s to discuss, or to send status to the list  *1 week* prior to the WG = meeting if not presenting. Status includes review of: any recent changes, any open discussions or issues, and planned= next steps.

 

Agenda Requests:

- To submit a request, please fill the survey at the= following link.

- There will be no joint= YANG session at this time.

- Please fill the survey= no later than Sunday, October 29th.

 

Presentations:

  If you are presenting slides please make sure you send th= em to  all *individuals* listed above (Chairs, Secretary and exclude C= CAMP) no later  than Sunday, November 12th.

 

Reminder about a few important dates:

Best Regards,=

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Daniele, Fatai, =D3scar&= nbsp;

 

--_000_HE1PR0701MB2714AAAA001B5727E76C7F4EF0450HE1PR0701MB2714_-- From nobody Mon Oct 30 05:30:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3368E13F95F for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 05:30:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OrW3UXCOZ49A for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 05:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2E913F800 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 05:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.41]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 50BD51AE01AA for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:30:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:28:56 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20171030.132856.592846040615487882.mbj@tail-f.com> To: ccamp@ietf.org From: Martin Bjorklund X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="--Next_Part(Mon_Oct_30_13_28_56_2017_524)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-01.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:30:31 -0000 ----Next_Part(Mon_Oct_30_13_28_56_2017_524)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We have posted a new version of our alarm-module draft. This version moves some background material to an appendix, and some other editorial changes. Comments are welcome! /martin ----Next_Part(Mon_Oct_30_13_28_56_2017_524)-- Content-Type: Message/Rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on metgos.tail-f.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,SPF_PASS, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 X-Original-To: mbj@tail-f.com Delivered-To: mbj@tail-f.com Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [4.31.198.44]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 845231AE01AA for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:25:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2786113F784; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 05:25:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: "Martin Bjorklund" , "Stefan Vallin" Subject: New Version Notification for draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-01.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150936632915.3341.4565638633503853188.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 05:25:29 -0700 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 int cnt prob spamicity histogram 0.00 59 0.019951 0.018460 ################################################ 0.10 5 0.113699 0.027268 ##### 0.20 0 0.000000 0.027268 0.30 0 0.000000 0.027268 0.40 0 0.000000 0.027268 0.50 0 0.000000 0.027268 0.60 0 0.000000 0.027268 0.70 0 0.000000 0.027268 0.80 0 0.000000 0.027268 0.90 0 0.000000 0.027268 A new version of I-D, draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Martin Bjorklund and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module Revision: 01 Title: YANG Alarm Module Document date: 2017-10-30 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 58 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-01 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-01 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-module-01 Abstract: This document defines a YANG module for alarm management. It includes functions for alarm list management, alarm shelving and notifications to inform management systems. There are also RPCs to manage the operator state of an alarm and administrative alarm procedures. The module carefully maps to relevant alarm standards. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat ----Next_Part(Mon_Oct_30_13_28_56_2017_524)---- From nobody Mon Oct 30 07:06:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BED813F925; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 07:06:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150937236501.3306.6797915076158572142@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 07:06:05 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-tunnel-model-01.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:06:05 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : OTN Tunnel YANG Model Authors : Haomian Zheng Zheyu Fan Anurag Sharma Rajan Rao Sergio Belotti Victor Lopez Yunbo Li Yunbin Xu Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-tunnel-model-01.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2017-10-30 Abstract: This document describes the YANG data model for OTN Tunnels. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-tunnel-model/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-tunnel-model-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-tunnel-model-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-tunnel-model-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Oct 30 07:11:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A753513F444; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 07:11:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150937267866.3385.106402575028312780@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 07:11:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-topo-yang-02.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:11:18 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Optical Transport Network Topology Authors : Haomian Zheng Zheyu Fan Anurag Sharma Xufeng Liu Sergio Belotti Yunbin Xu Lei Wang Oscar Gonzalez de Dios Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-topo-yang-02.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2017-10-30 Abstract: A transport network is a server-layer network designed to provide connectivity services for a client-layer network to carry the client traffic transparently across the server-layer network resources. A transport network can be constructed from equipments utilizing any of a number of different transport technologies such as the evolving Optical Transport Networks (OTN) or packet transport as provided by the MPLS-Transport Profile (MPLS-TP). This document describes a YANG data model to describe the topologies of an Optical Transport Network (OTN). It is independent of control plane protocols and captures topological and resource related information pertaining to OTN. This model enables clients, which interact with a transport domain controller via a REST interface, for OTN topology related operations such as obtaining the relevant topology resource information. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-topo-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-topo-yang-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-topo-yang-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-otn-topo-yang-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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boundary="_000_HE1PR0701MB2714968078942DE547EB5530F0590HE1PR0701MB2714_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: dac4c05d-524f-4f52-0f50-08d51fa2eae3 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 30 Oct 2017 14:31:32.7299 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1PR0701MB2716 X-OriginatorOrg: ericsson.com X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrJKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7lu5x8++RBqsms1gs3bGJyeLJnBss Fpe7utkdmD1e9s9h9Fiy5CdTAFMUl01Kak5mWWqRvl0CV8bXK3wFO9wrztx/zNLA+N+ui5GT Q0LAROL/i6PMILaQwGFGif+XkrsYuYDsE4wSq+5eZgJxWAR6mSWW3J3PBJGZxSRx888+Rgjn OaPE7L+H2boYOTjYBKwknhzyARklIqArsXfjdbCxzAIVErtnNLOA2MICshLTtv5lBikXEVCS WHNMFcLUk9h8SxukgkVAVeLw+u9MIGFegQSJzWtFQMKMQI0Tdi9ihBgoLnHrCcg1IPcLSCzZ c54ZwhaVePn4HytEfZLE+tYdUDWKEhdWzYKyZSUuze9mhLCPsEucPO0GYetJbJ34FiruK9E0 q58dwi6QaJi0kBXC1pHoWrcJyraS6Jh4HMrOl3jaPZ0dFCASAjdYJWbOWwvVLCPx4fcdJojE VlaJvrmNrJCQTpVYvraVcQKj9iwkD0HY+RLd62+B2bwCghInZz5hgYjrSCzY/YkNwtaWWLbw NTOMfebAYyZk8QWM7KsYRYtTi5Ny042M9FKLMpOLi/Pz9PJSSzYxAhPQwS2/DXYwvnzueIhR gINRiYf3kcL3SCHWxLLiytxDjBIczEoivItNgEK8KYmVValF+fFFpTmpxYcYpTlYlMR5Hfdd iBASSE8sSc1OTS1ILYLJMnFwSjUweoXtZqmYOclkxZ1ktUl5t7a9u7L9B4uo//HsVfcezLMV NZETnVm+JTle2M14y44bMjdVBXkbd0nnd2kG7v/1w+6n7tJDb45nbNwosPCu5+c7dUmhv/qM vv+sK6hfqrps9wNB/XbPwzUpRxImfLmh0+zSYFO7y9D3nkN7gJ1i3/8nvZ/N1KurlViKMxIN tZiLihMBHoTFmTwDAAA= Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] WG status and update X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:31:39 -0000 --_000_HE1PR0701MB2714968078942DE547EB5530F0590HE1PR0701MB2714_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear WG, Just a note to continue periodical sharing of info related to what's going = on and what's the plan for the next weeks/months. * GMPLS SCSI was approved. It is now RFC8258. This is a green light to = process draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension and draft-ietf-ccamp-f= lexible-grid-ospf-ext. The former is already GMPLS SCSI compliant and under= review by the IESG, while the latter is in the RFC editor queue and the au= thors are working with the RFC editor to make the draft GMPLS SCSI complian= t. * draft-martinelli-ccamp-wson-iv-encode IPR declaration completed, WG adop= tion poll to come. * draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk IPR declaration completed, WG LC t= o come * draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework IPR declaration for WG LC preparatio= n to come. * We decided not to start any polling as we're only 2 weeks away from I= ETF 100 and all the man power is dedicated to review new work and preparati= on for the meeting. We will issue the IPR declaration for draft-ietf-ccamp-= microwave-framework soon so to be ready to start the 3 polling immediately afte= r the IETF meeting. BR Daniele, Fatai, Oscar --_000_HE1PR0701MB2714968078942DE547EB5530F0590HE1PR0701MB2714_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear WG,

 

Just a note to continue peri= odical sharing of info related to what's going on and what's the plan for t= he next weeks/months.

 

  • GMPLS SCSI was approved. It is now RFC8258. This is = a green light to process draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension and d= raft-ietf-ccamp-flexible-grid-ospf-ext. The former is already GMPLS SCSI compliant and under review by the IESG, w= hile the latter is in the RFC editor queue and the authors are working with= the RFC editor to make the draft GMPLS SCSI compliant.
  • draft-martinelli-ccamp-wson-i= v-encode IPR declaration completed, WG adoption poll to come.
  • draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ct= rl-fwk IPR declaration completed, WG LC to come
  • = draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework IPR declaration for WG LC preparation to come.
  • We decided not to start any polling as we’re only 2= weeks away from IETF 100 and all the man power is dedicated to review new = work and preparation for the meeting. We will issue the IPR declaration for draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework soon so to be ready to start the 3 polling immediately after the IETF meet= ing.

 

BR
Daniele, Fatai, Oscar

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Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR.=20 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Already one errata: * draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk 2 IPR declarations still missing ! BR Daniele From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] Sent: luned=EC 30 ottobre 2017 15:32 To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Cc: ccamp-chairs@ietf.org; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS) (db3546@att.com) <= db3546@att.com> Subject: WG status and update Dear WG, Just a note to continue periodical sharing of info related to what's going = on and what's the plan for the next weeks/months. * GMPLS SCSI was approved. It is now RFC8258. This is a green light to = process draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension and draft-ietf-ccamp-f= lexible-grid-ospf-ext. The former is already GMPLS SCSI compliant and under= review by the IESG, while the latter is in the RFC editor queue and the au= thors are working with the RFC editor to make the draft GMPLS SCSI complian= t. * draft-martinelli-ccamp-wson-iv-encode IPR declaration completed, WG adop= tion poll to come. * draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk IPR declaration completed, WG LC t= o come * draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework IPR declaration for WG LC preparatio= n to come. * We decided not to start any polling as we're only 2 weeks away from I= ETF 100 and all the man power is dedicated to review new work and preparati= on for the meeting. We will issue the IPR declaration for draft-ietf-ccamp-= microwave-framework soon so to be ready to start the 3 polling immediately afte= r the IETF meeting. BR Daniele, Fatai, Oscar --_000_HE1PR0701MB27149A1606AFF55898257E37F0590HE1PR0701MB2714_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Already one errata:

 

  • <= a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl= -fwk/">draft-ietf-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-f= wk 2 IPR declarations still missing !

 

BR
Daniele 

 

 

From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]
Sent: luned=EC 30 ottobre 2017 15:32
To: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) <ccamp@ietf.org>
Cc: ccamp-chairs@ietf.org; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A (ATTLABS) (db3546@att= .com) <db3546@att.com>
Subject: WG status and update

 

Dear WG,

 

Just a note to continue peri= odical sharing of info related to what's going on and what's the plan for t= he next weeks/months.

 

 

BR
Daniele, Fatai, Oscar

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Thanks, Carlos On Mon, 2017-10-30 at 14:36 +0000, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > Authors, Contributors, CCAMP, > > As per previous mail here is the IPR polling in preparation for the > WG LC of draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor > please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of > whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. > > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author > or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR > rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR > of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating > in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. > For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://tra > c.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Daniele & Fatai > From nobody Mon Oct 30 08:43:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855834BA5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 08:43:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Regards JonasA -----Original Message----- From: Daniele Ceccarelli=20 Sent: den 30 oktober 2017 15:36 To: Jonas Ahlberg ; LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURIL= LO ; Yemin (Amy) ; Marko.Vaupotic@aviatnet.com; Jeff Tantsura ; k-kawada@ah.jp.nec.com; Xi.Li@neclab.eu; i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com; cjb= c@it.uc3m.es; daniela.spreafico@nokia.com Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 Authors, Contributors, CCAMP,=20 As per previous mail here is the IPR polling in preparation for the WG LC o= f draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR.=20 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 8862ab72-d5d2-479b-b52e-08d51facda0e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 30 Oct 2017 15:42:39.4307 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB4PR07MB0751 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 15:52:19 -0000 Hi all, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Regards, Daniela -----Original Message----- From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]=20 Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 3:36 PM To: Jonas Ahlberg ; LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURIL= LO ; Yemin (Amy) ; Marko.Vaupotic@aviatnet.com; Jeff Tantsura ; k-kawada@ah.jp.nec.com; Xi.Li@neclab.eu; i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com; cjb= c@it.uc3m.es; Spreafico, Daniela (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 Authors, Contributors, CCAMP,=20 As per previous mail here is the IPR polling in preparation for the WG LC o= f draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR.=20 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. Thank you, Daniele & Fatai From nobody Mon Oct 30 09:13:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41245253 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 09:13:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gzKKliohAOgR for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 09:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EUR01-DB5-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-db5eur01on0123.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.2.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: telefonica.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 107096cd-0e52-482d-1868-08d51faf9f68 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 30 Oct 2017 16:02:29.5992 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 9744600e-3e04-492e-baa1-25ec245c6f10 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR0602MB2944 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 16:13:39 -0000 RGVhciBhbGwsDQoNCk5vLCBJJ20gbm90IGF3YXJlIG9mIGFueSBJUFIgdGhhdCBhcHBsaWVzIHRv IHRoaXMgZHJhZnQNCg0KVGhhbmtzDQoNCkx1aXMNCg0KDQotLS0tLU1lbnNhamUgb3JpZ2luYWwt 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Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F967C0A for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 09:41:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KxyDmHkxcaO4 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 09:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailer2.neclab.eu (mailer2.neclab.eu [195.37.70.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F248965B4 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 09:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer2.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8471F2014; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 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"CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 Thread-Index: AdNRjAoXLdknmdXLQnWYr0RrTiZhTwAEKoEg Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 16:33:16 +0000 Message-ID: <139E9C21EC047B43BA40AD7031AC09BE44747297@PALLENE.office.hd> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, de-DE Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.6.124] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 16:41:56 -0000 Dear all, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Thanks Xi -----Original Message----- From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]=20 Sent: Montag, 30. Oktober 2017 15:36 To: Jonas Ahlberg; LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO; Yemin (Amy); Marko.Vaupot= ic@aviatnet.com; Jeff Tantsura; k-kawada@ah.jp.nec.com; Xi Li; i-akiyoshi@a= h.jp.nec.com; cjbc@it.uc3m.es; daniela.spreafico@nokia.com Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 Authors, Contributors, CCAMP,=20 As per previous mail here is the IPR polling in preparation for the WG LC o= f draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR.=20 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. Thank you, Daniele & Fatai From nobody Mon Oct 30 10:43:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietf.org Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C377BE4; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:43:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: ccamp@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150938542822.7698.15705862217651338655@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:43:48 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [CCAMP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-01.txt X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:43:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Common Control and Measurement Plane WG of the IETF. Title : Transport Northbound Interface Applicability Statement and Use Cases Authors : Italo Busi Daniel King Filename : draft-ietf-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-01.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2017-10-30 Abstract: Transport network domains, including Optical Transport Network (OTN) and Wavelength Division Multiplexing (WDM) networks, are typically deployed based on a single vendor or technology platforms. They are often managed using proprietary interfaces to dedicated Element Management Systems (EMS), Network Management Systems (NMS) and increasingly Software Defined Network (SDN) controllers. A well-defined open interface to each domain management system or controller is required for network operators to facilitate control automation and orchestrate end-to-end services across multi-domain networks. These functions may be enabled using standardized data models (e.g. YANG), and appropriate protocol (e.g., RESTCONF). This document describes the key use cases and requirements to be used as the basis for applicability statements analyzing how IETF data models can be used for transport network control and management. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ccamp-transport-nbi-use-cases-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Oct 30 17:05:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B18013FC75 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:05:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mc1VmtGNFOU7 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyo162.gate.nec.co.jp (tyo162.gate.nec.co.jp [114.179.232.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 354E613F788 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate01.nec.co.jp ([114.179.233.122]) by tyo162.gate.nec.co.jp (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPS id v9V05S5i008111 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 31 Oct 2017 09:05:28 +0900 Received: from mailsv01.nec.co.jp (mailgate-v.nec.co.jp [10.204.236.94]) by mailgate01.nec.co.jp (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id v9V05Smn013462; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 09:05:28 +0900 Received: from mail01b.kamome.nec.co.jp (mail01b.kamome.nec.co.jp [10.25.43.2]) by mailsv01.nec.co.jp (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id v9UNt9lL029184; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 09:05:28 +0900 Received: from bpxc99gp.gisp.nec.co.jp ([10.38.151.142] [10.38.151.142]) by mail01b.kamome.nec.co.jp with ESMTP id BT-MMP-4082347; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 08:59:28 +0900 Received: from BPXM17GP.gisp.nec.co.jp ([10.38.151.209]) by BPXC14GP.gisp.nec.co.jp ([10.38.151.142]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 08:59:27 +0900 From: Koji Kawada To: Daniele Ceccarelli , Jonas Ahlberg , LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO , "Yemin (Amy)" , "Marko.Vaupotic@aviatnet.com" , Jeff Tantsura , "Xi.Li@neclab.eu" , Ippei Akiyoshi , "cjbc@it.uc3m.es" , "daniela.spreafico@nokia.com" CC: "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 Thread-Index: AdNRjAoXLdknmdXLQnWYr0RrTiZhTwATrSug Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:59:26 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: ja-JP, en-US Content-Language: ja-JP X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.38.32.55] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-TM-AS-MML: disable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 00:05:45 -0000 Dear all No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Best Regards, Kawada > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 11:36 PM > To: Jonas Ahlberg ; LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MUR= ILLO > ; Yemin (Amy) ; Marko.Vaupotic@aviatnet.com; Jeff > Tantsura ; Kawada Koji(=1B$B2OED=1B(B =1B$B9-; Xi.Li@neclab.eu; Akiyoshi Ippei(=1B$B=3D)= =1B(B > =1B$B9%=1B(B =1B$B0lJ?=1B(B) ; cjbc@it.uc3m.es;= daniela.spreafico@nokia.com > Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) > Subject: IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 >=20 > Authors, Contributors, CCAMP, >=20 > As per previous mail here is the IPR polling in preparation for the WG LC= of draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? >=20 > Please state either: > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see= RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropr= iate. If you are listed as a document author > or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regard= less of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. >=20 > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or = contributor, we remind you of your obligations > under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you a= re aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, > or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion relate= d to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, > please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/ies= g/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >=20 > Thank you, > Daniele & Fatai >=20 From nobody Mon Oct 30 17:17:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1614E13F5DC for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:17:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9bG2wa9L-vjE for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyo162.gate.nec.co.jp (tyo162.gate.nec.co.jp [114.179.232.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3255B13F562 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate01.nec.co.jp ([114.179.233.122]) by tyo162.gate.nec.co.jp (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPS id v9V0HJxl017564 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 31 Oct 2017 09:17:19 +0900 Received: from mailsv02.nec.co.jp (mailgate-v.nec.co.jp [10.204.236.94]) by mailgate01.nec.co.jp (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id v9V0HJkS030160; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 09:17:19 +0900 Received: from mail01b.kamome.nec.co.jp (mail01b.kamome.nec.co.jp [10.25.43.2]) by mailsv02.nec.co.jp (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id v9V0FxRY007526; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 09:17:18 +0900 Received: from bpxc99gp.gisp.nec.co.jp ([10.38.151.134] [10.38.151.134]) by mail03.kamome.nec.co.jp with ESMTP id BT-MMP-4072544; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 05:41:46 +0900 Received: from BPXM05GP.gisp.nec.co.jp ([10.38.151.197]) by BPXC06GP.gisp.nec.co.jp ([10.38.151.134]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 05:41:45 +0900 From: Ippei Akiyoshi To: Daniele Ceccarelli , Jonas Ahlberg , LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO , "Yemin (Amy)" , "Marko.Vaupotic@aviatnet.com" , Jeff Tantsura , "Koji Kawada" , "Xi.Li@neclab.eu" , "cjbc@it.uc3m.es" , "daniela.spreafico@nokia.com" CC: "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" , Ippei Akiyoshi Thread-Topic: IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 Thread-Index: AdNRjAoXLdknmdXLQnWYr0RrTiZhTwAM0/aA Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:41:44 +0000 Message-ID: <4BE55FCA27C3564D9C99F3F9F80BD68A86B86B2B@BPXM05GP.gisp.nec.co.jp> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: ja-JP, en-US Content-Language: ja-JP X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.56.8.178] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-TM-AS-MML: disable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 00:17:35 -0000 Dear all, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Thanks, Ippei > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 11:36 PM > To: Jonas Ahlberg ; LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS > MURILLO ; Yemin (Amy) > ; Marko.Vaupotic@aviatnet.com; Jeff Tantsura > ; Kawada Koji(=1B$B2OED=1B(B =1B$B9- ; Xi.Li@neclab.eu; Akiyoshi Ippei(=1B$B=3D)9%=1B(= B =1B$B0lJ?=1B(B) > ; cjbc@it.uc3m.es; > daniela.spreafico@nokia.com > Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) > Subject: IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 >=20 > Authors, Contributors, CCAMP, >=20 > As per previous mail here is the IPR polling in preparation for the WG LC > of draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02. >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? >=20 > Please state either: > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see > RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please > answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not > you are aware of any relevant IPR. >=20 > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules > which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others > on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any > contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more > information, please see the RFCs listed above and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >=20 > Thank you, > Daniele & Fatai >=20 From nobody Mon Oct 30 18:16:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FFF13F570 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:16:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.981, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6TTgdSx_WYks for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendg.mailex.chinaunicom.cn (sendg.mailex.chinaunicom.cn [210.53.66.230]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB5013FB60 for ; 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Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identif= ied above?
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If so, has this IPR been disclosed in complian= ce with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more detail= s)?
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If you answer no, please provide any = additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document = author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email = regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
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NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS ME= SSAGE'S TO LINES.
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If you are on the CCAMP= WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind y= ou of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to no= tify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, o= r to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related = to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProp= erty.
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=0A<= /blockquote> ------=_001_NextPart055767770046_=------ From nobody Mon Oct 30 18:35:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ccamp@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA3A13F408 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lcyC5TmBJSya for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF3D41394F5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DYW98593; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 01:35:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEMA401-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.20.42) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.46) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 01:35:07 +0000 Received: from DGGEMA501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.32]) by DGGEMA401-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.3.20.42]) with mapi id 14.03.0361.001; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 09:35:02 +0800 From: "Yemin (Amy)" To: Daniele Ceccarelli , Jonas Ahlberg , LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO , "Marko.Vaupotic@aviatnet.com" , Jeff Tantsura , "k-kawada@ah.jp.nec.com" , "Xi.Li@neclab.eu" , "i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com" , "cjbc@it.uc3m.es" , "daniela.spreafico@nokia.com" CC: "CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 Thread-Index: AdNRjAoXLdknmdXLQnWYr0RrTiZhTwAXFh/g Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 01:35:02 +0000 Message-ID: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461FC75A5D5E@DGGEMA501-MBS.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.169.30.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090203.59F7D34D.004E, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.4.32, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 403576184bb7f4e688bad8024b805268 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [CCAMP] IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 X-BeenThere: ccamp@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion list for the CCAMP working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 01:35:19 -0000 Hi all, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Regards, Amy -----Original Message----- From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com]=20 Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 10:36 PM To: Jonas Ahlberg ; LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURIL= LO ; Yemin (Amy) ; Marko.Vaupotic@aviatnet.com; Jeff Tantsura ; k-kawada@ah.jp.nec.com; Xi.Li@neclab.eu; i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com; cjb= c@it.uc3m.es; daniela.spreafico@nokia.com Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 Authors, Contributors, CCAMP,=20 As per previous mail here is the IPR polling in preparation for the WG LC o= f draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR.=20 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki= /IntellectualProperty. 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Cheers, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Daniele Ceccarelli [mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com] Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 10:36 PM To: Jonas Ahlberg ; LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO ; Yemin (Amy) ; Marko.Vaupotic@aviatnet.com; Jeff Tantsura ; k-kawada@ah.jp.nec.com; Xi.Li@neclab.eu; i-akiyoshi@ah.jp.nec.com; cjbc@it.uc3m.es; daniela.spreafico@nokia.com Cc: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org) Subject: IPR polling on draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02 Authors, Contributors, CCAMP, As per previous mail here is the IPR polling in preparation for the WG LC of draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. 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draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02=0A= =0A= Authors, Contributors, CCAMP,=0A= =0A= As per previous mail here is the IPR polling in preparation for the WG LC o= f draft-ietf-ccamp-microwave-framework-02.=0A= =0A= Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?=0A= =0A= Please state either:=0A= "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"=0A= or=0A= "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"=0A= =0A= If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?=0A= If yes to the above, please state either:=0A= =0A= "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"=0A= or=0A= "No, the IPR has not been disclosed"=0A= =0A= If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR.=0A= =0A= NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.=0A= =0A= If you are on the CCAMP WG email list but are not listed as an author or co= ntributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which= encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. 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Hi all,

 

MDT meeting, Thursday, October = 26, 9:00-10:00 (CEST, UTC+2).

 

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  • <= span lang=3D"EN-US">IETF 100
    • <= span lang=3D"EN-US">Planning of presentations and f2f-meetings

 

  • <= span lang=3D"EN-US">Continued work for the Design Team?
    • <= span lang=3D"EN-US">YANG topology model for microwave networks. Extension o= f the existing topology model draft.
    • Informational draft (implementat= ion guide) to give examples on how to use the model.
    • Verifying/testing the model in p= ractice, e.g. at an event such as EANTC

 

  • <= span lang=3D"EN-US">AOB

 

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