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Just to make sure that the CCG members are informed=E2=80=A6

At the IETF 98 meeting last week in Chicago, Ted Hardie was selected as =
the IAB Chair.  The IAB Chair is one of the Trustees of the IETF Trust, =
so Ted will vacate his seat on the CCG.  This leave me as the only =
remaining IETF-appointed CCG member.  The IAB will fill the vacancies as =
part of appointing people to the CCG in the next few months.  The IAB =
will appoint one person for a one-year term and two people for two-year =
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Thankyou for letting us know.

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> Just to make sure that the CCG members are informed=85
>=20
> At the IETF 98 meeting last week in Chicago, Ted Hardie was selected =
as the IAB Chair.  The IAB Chair is one of the Trustees of the IETF =
Trust, so Ted will vacate his seat on the CCG.  This leave me as the =
only remaining IETF-appointed CCG member.  The IAB will fill the =
vacancies as part of appointing people to the CCG in the next few =
months.  The IAB will appoint one person for a one-year term and two =
people for two-year terms.
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> Russ
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> _______________________________________________
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I have not seen anyone raise concerns with the way that the IETF Trust =
resolve their earlier comments.  Is more time needed for further review?

Russ


> On Mar 30, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Kaveh Ranjbar <kranjbar@ripe.net> wrote:
>=20
> All;
>=20
> On 1st March the Trust sent proposed changes to the License
> Agreements with ICANN to the CCG and requested feedback.
>=20
> Below are the Trust responses to the questions that were raised.
>=20
> We hope these satisfy the concerns of the CCG.
>=20
> In addition, we believe these are the Next Steps necessary to=20
> complete the transfer of the domains and we welcome your review=20
> and comments on these as well.
>=20
> Next Steps
>=20
> a.  Trust sends response to CCG questions
> b.  CCG reviews and comments
> c.  Upon acceptance, Trust publishes Exhibit E for community review=20
> [Exhibit E to License Agreement: Domain Name Registrar Requirements]
> d.  Community Review
> e.  With no substantive changes, Trust and ICANN execute=20
> 	amendments to the three License Agreements
> f.  Changes incorporated in the CSC Agreement Schedule A
>   [Schedule A is the same as Exhibit E of the License Agreements]
> g.  Trust publishes Schedule A of the CSC Agreement for Community =
Review=20
> h.  Community Review
> i.  With no substantive changes, Trust executes CSC Agreement
> j.  Test of CSC conformance to the requirements=20
> k.  Assuming successful test, all IANA domains transferred to Trust
>=20
> Again, we welcome your comments and suggestions.
>=20
> Kaveh Ranjbar
> Chair, IETF Trust
>=20
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
> Responses to Questions Raised by CCG:
>=20
> Q1:  Referencing Exhibit E Domain Name Registrar Requirements In
> items iii and iv, there is a change from "after the same period as
> above" to "after the same conditions as specified in item i. above".
> However, in item ii, the words "after the same period as above=C2=B2 =
have
> not been changed.
>=20
> Is the different approach in item ii deliberate?
>=20
> A1.  After review of ii in relation to i, iii, and iv, it is our
> opinion that the same conditions should apply and have been =
incorporated.
>=20
> The specific change would be as follow:
>=20
> ii. The name must be configured to renew automatically. Removal of
> this setting requires the approval of both administrative and
> technical contacts, with override only possible by the registrant
> after the same period as above.
>=20
> s/ after the same period as above./ after the same conditions as
> specified in item i. above.
>=20
> The Licensor shall arrange sufficient funds to ensure renewal is
> successful. Notices of pending, successful, and failed renewals must
> go to both technical and administrative contacts.
>=20
> See Exhibit E attached with the markup.
>=20
> Q2.  Referencing Exhibit E Domain Name Registrar Requirements
> section i, do we mean =E2=80=9Cno response=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno =
objection=E2=80=9D from the
> current contacts? It is possible that any response (even simply
> clarification) would inhibit update, and that may not be the desired
> outcome.  We would appreciate confirmation and are fine with either
> outcome.
>=20
> A2.  We mean =E2=80=9CNo Response.=E2=80=9D  Section i provides for =
two scenarios.
>=20
> The first is the situation where the approval of both the technical
> contact and the administrative contact is needed to approve a change
> to the technical contact information, that is, there is =E2=80=9CNo
> Objection=E2=80=9D to the change.
>=20
> The second is the situation where =E2=80=9CNo Response=E2=80=9D was =
received from
> the administrative and technical contacts (or =E2=80=9CNo Objection=E2=80=
=9D from
> one and =E2=80=9CNo Response=E2=80=9D from the other).  In this =
situation the
> registrant (the Trust) can override the need for the parties to
> approve and approve the change to the technical contact information.
> There must be evidence that notice of change was provided to both
> parties and such action cannot be taken unless 10 business days have
> passed.
>=20
> Q3.   Can we also obtain confirmation that the agreement between the
> licensor and the registrar is only valid as long as the License
> agreement is in force?
>=20
> A3.  The contract with the Registrar will not terminate merely as a
> result of changing IANA service providers or the License Agreement
>=20
> The Trust is entering into a contract with CSC as Registrar for the
> purpose of it holding the IANA domains.
>=20
> Exhibit E of the License Agreements is Schedule A section 7 of the
> CSC Agreement.
>=20
> Neither Exhibit E nor Schedule A are ICANN specific.
>=20
> If ICANN is no longer the IANA Service Provider through PTI, License
> Agreements will then be negotiated between the Trust and the new
> provider(s).
>=20
> If Exhibit E of the License Agreement changes, then Schedule A of
> the Trust contract with the Registrar will be changed.
>=20
> Of course the License Agreements will be changed in accordance with
> the provisions of the Community Agreement.
>=20
> Applicable Community Agreement provisions include:
>=20
> Community Agreement Provisions
>=20
> 3.2       Licenses to IANA Operators.
>=20
> a.         The IETF Trust shall license the IANA Intellectual
> Property, including the use of associated domain names, to one or
> more third party operators selected as described below (=E2=80=9CIANA
> Operators=E2=80=9D) for use in connection with performing IANA =
Services
> under one or more written license agreements (=E2=80=9CLicense =
Agreements=E2=80=9D).
>=20
> e.         Operational Community IANA Operator Request.
>=20
> (i)  Upon the request of an Operational Community, the IETF Trust
> will attempt in good faith to negotiate a License Agreement with a
> prospective IANA Operator relating to the Operational Community=E2=80=99=
s
> designated IANA Service and based to the greatest extent possible on
> the Initial License Agreement(s) (or the License Agreement in use
> immediately prior to such negotiation, if different). (ii)  The IETF
> Trust and each Operational Community hereby acknowledge that the
> License Agreement that the IETF Trust has executed with the initial
> IANA Operator as of the Effective Date, attached hereto as Exhibit
> D-1, D-2 or D-3, respectively (the =E2=80=9CInitial License =
Agreements=E2=80=9D) is
> acceptable to it.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> <Exhibit E Domain Name Registrar Requirements Markup =
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All;

Thank you for your comments.

The next step is that the Trust will publish the proposed
modifications to Exhibit E for a two-week community review. (Exhibit
E of the License Agreements: Domain Name Registrar Requirements)

Unless there are suggestions otherwise, that notice will be sent to
iana-ipr@nro.net <mailto:iana-ipr@nro.net> and the IETF announce and =
ietf lists.

Please note the "Next Steps=E2=80=9D section in my original announcement
sent out on 30th of March email (quoted below) and comment if you
have suggestions.

All the best,

Kaveh Ranjbar
Chair, IETF Trust

> On 30 Mar 2017, at 20:27, Kaveh Ranjbar <kranjbar@ripe.net> wrote:
>=20
> All;
>=20
> On 1st March the Trust sent proposed changes to the License
> Agreements with ICANN to the CCG and requested feedback.
>=20
> Below are the Trust responses to the questions that were raised.
>=20
> We hope these satisfy the concerns of the CCG.
>=20
> In addition, we believe these are the Next Steps necessary to
> complete the transfer of the domains and we welcome your review
> and comments on these as well.
>=20
> Next Steps
>=20
> a.  Trust sends response to CCG questions
> b.  CCG reviews and comments
> c.  Upon acceptance, Trust publishes Exhibit E for community review
> [Exhibit E to License Agreement: Domain Name Registrar Requirements]
> d.  Community Review
> e.  With no substantive changes, Trust and ICANN execute
> 	amendments to the three License Agreements
> f.  Changes incorporated in the CSC Agreement Schedule A
>   [Schedule A is the same as Exhibit E of the License Agreements]
> g.  Trust publishes Schedule A of the CSC Agreement for Community =
Review
> h.  Community Review
> i.  With no substantive changes, Trust executes CSC Agreement
> j.  Test of CSC conformance to the requirements
> k.  Assuming successful test, all IANA domains transferred to Trust
>=20
> Again, we welcome your comments and suggestions.
>=20
> Kaveh Ranjbar
> Chair, IETF Trust
>=20
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
> Responses to Questions Raised by CCG:
>=20
> Q1:  Referencing Exhibit E Domain Name Registrar Requirements In
> items iii and iv, there is a change from "after the same period as
> above" to "after the same conditions as specified in item i. above".
> However, in item ii, the words "after the same period as above=C2=B2 =
have
> not been changed.
>=20
> Is the different approach in item ii deliberate?
>=20
> A1.  After review of ii in relation to i, iii, and iv, it is our
> opinion that the same conditions should apply and have been =
incorporated.
>=20
> The specific change would be as follow:
>=20
> ii. The name must be configured to renew automatically. Removal of
> this setting requires the approval of both administrative and
> technical contacts, with override only possible by the registrant
> after the same period as above.
>=20
> s/ after the same period as above./ after the same conditions as
> specified in item i. above.
>=20
> The Licensor shall arrange sufficient funds to ensure renewal is
> successful. Notices of pending, successful, and failed renewals must
> go to both technical and administrative contacts.
>=20
> See Exhibit E attached with the markup.
>=20
> Q2.  Referencing Exhibit E Domain Name Registrar Requirements
> section i, do we mean =E2=80=9Cno response=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno =
objection=E2=80=9D from the
> current contacts? It is possible that any response (even simply
> clarification) would inhibit update, and that may not be the desired
> outcome.  We would appreciate confirmation and are fine with either
> outcome.
>=20
> A2.  We mean =E2=80=9CNo Response.=E2=80=9D  Section i provides for =
two scenarios.
>=20
> The first is the situation where the approval of both the technical
> contact and the administrative contact is needed to approve a change
> to the technical contact information, that is, there is =E2=80=9CNo
> Objection=E2=80=9D to the change.
>=20
> The second is the situation where =E2=80=9CNo Response=E2=80=9D was =
received from
> the administrative and technical contacts (or =E2=80=9CNo Objection=E2=80=
=9D from
> one and =E2=80=9CNo Response=E2=80=9D from the other).  In this =
situation the
> registrant (the Trust) can override the need for the parties to
> approve and approve the change to the technical contact information.
> There must be evidence that notice of change was provided to both
> parties and such action cannot be taken unless 10 business days have
> passed.
>=20
> Q3.   Can we also obtain confirmation that the agreement between the
> licensor and the registrar is only valid as long as the License
> agreement is in force?
>=20
> A3.  The contract with the Registrar will not terminate merely as a
> result of changing IANA service providers or the License Agreement
>=20
> The Trust is entering into a contract with CSC as Registrar for the
> purpose of it holding the IANA domains.
>=20
> Exhibit E of the License Agreements is Schedule A section 7 of the
> CSC Agreement.
>=20
> Neither Exhibit E nor Schedule A are ICANN specific.
>=20
> If ICANN is no longer the IANA Service Provider through PTI, License
> Agreements will then be negotiated between the Trust and the new
> provider(s).
>=20
> If Exhibit E of the License Agreement changes, then Schedule A of
> the Trust contract with the Registrar will be changed.
>=20
> Of course the License Agreements will be changed in accordance with
> the provisions of the Community Agreement.
>=20
> Applicable Community Agreement provisions include:
>=20
> Community Agreement Provisions
>=20
> 3.2       Licenses to IANA Operators.
>=20
> a.         The IETF Trust shall license the IANA Intellectual
> Property, including the use of associated domain names, to one or
> more third party operators selected as described below (=E2=80=9CIANA
> Operators=E2=80=9D) for use in connection with performing IANA =
Services
> under one or more written license agreements (=E2=80=9CLicense =
Agreements=E2=80=9D).
>=20
> e.         Operational Community IANA Operator Request.
>=20
> (i)  Upon the request of an Operational Community, the IETF Trust
> will attempt in good faith to negotiate a License Agreement with a
> prospective IANA Operator relating to the Operational Community=E2=80=99=
s
> designated IANA Service and based to the greatest extent possible on
> the Initial License Agreement(s) (or the License Agreement in use
> immediately prior to such negotiation, if different). (ii)  The IETF
> Trust and each Operational Community hereby acknowledge that the
> License Agreement that the IETF Trust has executed with the initial
> IANA Operator as of the Effective Date, attached hereto as Exhibit
> D-1, D-2 or D-3, respectively (the =E2=80=9CInitial License =
Agreements=E2=80=9D) is
> acceptable to it.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> <Exhibit E Domain Name Registrar Requirements Markup -01.pdf>


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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">All;<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Thank you for your =
comments.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The next step is that the Trust =
will publish the proposed<br class=3D"">modifications to Exhibit E for a =
two-week community review. (Exhibit<br class=3D"">E of the License =
Agreements: Domain Name Registrar Requirements)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Unless there are suggestions otherwise, that notice will be =
sent to<br class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:iana-ipr@nro.net" =
class=3D"">iana-ipr@nro.net</a>&nbsp;and the IETF announce and ietf =
lists.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Please note the "Next Steps=E2=80=9D =
section in my original announcement&nbsp;<div class=3D"">sent out on =
30th of March email (quoted below) and comment if you&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"">have suggestions.<div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">All the best,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Kaveh Ranjbar<br =
class=3D"">Chair, IETF Trust<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 30 Mar 2017, at 20:27, =
Kaveh Ranjbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kranjbar@ripe.net" =
class=3D"">kranjbar@ripe.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">All;<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On 1st March the Trust sent =
proposed changes to the License<br class=3D"">Agreements with ICANN to =
the CCG and requested feedback.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Below are =
the Trust responses to the questions that were raised.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">We hope these satisfy the concerns of the CCG.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">In addition, we believe these are the Next =
Steps necessary to <br class=3D"">complete the transfer of the domains =
and we welcome your review <br class=3D"">and comments on these as =
well.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Next Steps<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">a. &nbsp;Trust sends response to CCG questions<br class=3D"">b.=
 &nbsp;CCG reviews and comments<br class=3D"">c. &nbsp;Upon acceptance, =
Trust publishes Exhibit E for community review <br class=3D""> [Exhibit =
E to License Agreement: Domain Name Registrar Requirements]<br =
class=3D"">d. &nbsp;Community Review<br class=3D"">e. &nbsp;With no =
substantive changes, Trust and ICANN execute <br class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>amendments to the three License Agreements<br class=3D"">f. =
&nbsp;Changes incorporated in the CSC Agreement Schedule A<br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;[Schedule A is the same as Exhibit E of the License =
Agreements]<br class=3D"">g. &nbsp;Trust publishes Schedule A of the CSC =
Agreement for Community Review <br class=3D"">h. &nbsp;Community =
Review<br class=3D"">i. &nbsp;With no substantive changes, Trust =
executes CSC Agreement<br class=3D"">j. &nbsp;Test of CSC conformance to =
the requirements <br class=3D"">k. &nbsp;Assuming successful test, all =
IANA domains transferred to Trust<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Again, we =
welcome your comments and suggestions.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Kaveh =
Ranjbar<br class=3D"">Chair, IETF Trust<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">++++++++++++++++++++++<br class=3D"">Responses to Questions =
Raised by CCG:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Q1: &nbsp;Referencing =
Exhibit E Domain Name Registrar Requirements In<br class=3D"">items iii =
and iv, there is a change from "after the same period as<br =
class=3D"">above" to "after the same conditions as specified in item i. =
above".<br class=3D"">However, in item ii, the words "after the same =
period as above=C2=B2 have<br class=3D"">not been changed.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Is the different approach in item ii =
deliberate?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">A1. &nbsp;After review of ii in =
relation to i, iii, and iv, it is our<br class=3D"">opinion that the =
same conditions should apply and have been incorporated.<br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D"">The specific change would be as follow:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">ii. The name must be configured to renew automatically. =
Removal of<br class=3D"">this setting requires the approval of both =
administrative and<br class=3D"">technical contacts, with override only =
possible by the registrant<br class=3D"">after the same period as =
above.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">s/ after the same period as above./ =
after the same conditions as<br class=3D"">specified in item i. =
above.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The Licensor shall arrange =
sufficient funds to ensure renewal is<br class=3D"">successful. Notices =
of pending, successful, and failed renewals must<br class=3D"">go to =
both technical and administrative contacts.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">See Exhibit E attached with the markup.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Q2. &nbsp;Referencing Exhibit E Domain Name Registrar =
Requirements<br class=3D"">section i, do we mean =E2=80=9Cno response=E2=80=
=9D or =E2=80=9Cno objection=E2=80=9D from the<br class=3D"">current =
contacts? It is possible that any response (even simply<br =
class=3D"">clarification) would inhibit update, and that may not be the =
desired<br class=3D"">outcome. &nbsp;We would appreciate confirmation =
and are fine with either<br class=3D"">outcome.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">A2. &nbsp;We mean =E2=80=9CNo Response.=E2=80=9D =
&nbsp;Section i provides for two scenarios.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">The first is the situation where the approval of both the =
technical<br class=3D"">contact and the administrative contact is needed =
to approve a change<br class=3D"">to the technical contact information, =
that is, there is =E2=80=9CNo<br class=3D"">Objection=E2=80=9D to the =
change.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The second is the situation where =
=E2=80=9CNo Response=E2=80=9D was received from<br class=3D"">the =
administrative and technical contacts (or =E2=80=9CNo Objection=E2=80=9D =
from<br class=3D"">one and =E2=80=9CNo Response=E2=80=9D from the =
other). &nbsp;In this situation the<br class=3D"">registrant (the Trust) =
can override the need for the parties to<br class=3D"">approve and =
approve the change to the technical contact information.<br =
class=3D"">There must be evidence that notice of change was provided to =
both<br class=3D"">parties and such action cannot be taken unless 10 =
business days have<br class=3D"">passed.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Q3. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;Can we also obtain confirmation that the agreement between =
the<br class=3D"">licensor and the registrar is only valid as long as =
the License<br class=3D"">agreement is in force?<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">A3. &nbsp;The contract with the Registrar will not terminate =
merely as a<br class=3D"">result of changing IANA service providers or =
the License Agreement<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The Trust is entering =
into a contract with CSC as Registrar for the<br class=3D"">purpose of =
it holding the IANA domains.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Exhibit E of =
the License Agreements is Schedule A section 7 of the<br class=3D"">CSC =
Agreement.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Neither Exhibit E nor Schedule A =
are ICANN specific.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">If ICANN is no longer =
the IANA Service Provider through PTI, License<br class=3D"">Agreements =
will then be negotiated between the Trust and the new<br =
class=3D"">provider(s).<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">If Exhibit E of the =
License Agreement changes, then Schedule A of<br class=3D"">the Trust =
contract with the Registrar will be changed.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Of course the License Agreements will be changed in =
accordance with<br class=3D"">the provisions of the Community =
Agreement.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Applicable Community Agreement =
provisions include:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Community Agreement =
Provisions<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">3.2 =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Licenses to IANA Operators.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">a. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The IETF Trust shall =
license the IANA Intellectual<br class=3D"">Property, including the use =
of associated domain names, to one or<br class=3D"">more third party =
operators selected as described below (=E2=80=9CIANA<br =
class=3D"">Operators=E2=80=9D) for use in connection with performing =
IANA Services<br class=3D"">under one or more written license agreements =
(=E2=80=9CLicense Agreements=E2=80=9D).<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">e. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Operational Community =
IANA Operator Request.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">(i) &nbsp;Upon the =
request of an Operational Community, the IETF Trust<br class=3D"">will =
attempt in good faith to negotiate a License Agreement with a<br =
class=3D"">prospective IANA Operator relating to the Operational =
Community=E2=80=99s<br class=3D"">designated IANA Service and based to =
the greatest extent possible on<br class=3D"">the Initial License =
Agreement(s) (or the License Agreement in use<br class=3D"">immediately =
prior to such negotiation, if different). (ii) &nbsp;The IETF<br =
class=3D"">Trust and each Operational Community hereby acknowledge that =
the<br class=3D"">License Agreement that the IETF Trust has executed =
with the initial<br class=3D"">IANA Operator as of the Effective Date, =
attached hereto as Exhibit<br class=3D"">D-1, D-2 or D-3, respectively =
(the =E2=80=9CInitial License Agreements=E2=80=9D) is<br =
class=3D"">acceptable to it.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><span =
id=3D"cid:07F8063D-6AA1-4ABA-9E40-8F8259FF65B9">&lt;Exhibit E Domain =
Name Registrar Requirements Markup =
-01.pdf&gt;</span></div></div></blockquote></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></body></html>=

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From: John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>
To: Kaveh Ranjbar <kranjbar@ripe.net>
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Kaveh -

The Number Resource Organization has reviewed the proposed modifications =
and
find that they address our early concerns.   We are in agreement with =
the proposed
next steps and thank everyone for their efforts on these agreements.

Best wishes,
/John

John Curran
Chair, NRO

> On 20 Apr 2017, at 12:49 AM, Kaveh Ranjbar <kranjbar@ripe.net> wrote:
>=20
> All;
>=20
> Thank you for your comments.
>=20
> The next step is that the Trust will publish the proposed
> modifications to Exhibit E for a two-week community review. (Exhibit
> E of the License Agreements: Domain Name Registrar Requirements)
>=20
> Unless there are suggestions otherwise, that notice will be sent to
> iana-ipr@nro.net <mailto:iana-ipr@nro.net> and the IETF announce and =
ietf lists.
>=20
> Please note the "Next Steps=E2=80=9D section in my original =
announcement
> sent out on 30th of March email (quoted below) and comment if you
> have suggestions.
>=20
> All the best,
>=20
> Kaveh Ranjbar
> Chair, IETF Trust
>=20
>> On 30 Mar 2017, at 20:27, Kaveh Ranjbar <kranjbar@ripe.net =
<mailto:kranjbar@ripe.net>> wrote:
>>=20
>> All;
>>=20
>> On 1st March the Trust sent proposed changes to the License
>> Agreements with ICANN to the CCG and requested feedback.
>>=20
>> Below are the Trust responses to the questions that were raised.
>>=20
>> We hope these satisfy the concerns of the CCG.
>>=20
>> In addition, we believe these are the Next Steps necessary to
>> complete the transfer of the domains and we welcome your review
>> and comments on these as well.
>>=20
>> Next Steps
>>=20
>> a.  Trust sends response to CCG questions
>> b.  CCG reviews and comments
>> c.  Upon acceptance, Trust publishes Exhibit E for community review
>> [Exhibit E to License Agreement: Domain Name Registrar Requirements]
>> d.  Community Review
>> e.  With no substantive changes, Trust and ICANN execute
>> 	amendments to the three License Agreements
>> f.  Changes incorporated in the CSC Agreement Schedule A
>>   [Schedule A is the same as Exhibit E of the License Agreements]
>> g.  Trust publishes Schedule A of the CSC Agreement for Community =
Review
>> h.  Community Review
>> i.  With no substantive changes, Trust executes CSC Agreement
>> j.  Test of CSC conformance to the requirements
>> k.  Assuming successful test, all IANA domains transferred to Trust
>>=20
>> Again, we welcome your comments and suggestions.
>>=20
>> Kaveh Ranjbar
>> Chair, IETF Trust
>>=20
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Responses to Questions Raised by CCG:
>>=20
>> Q1:  Referencing Exhibit E Domain Name Registrar Requirements In
>> items iii and iv, there is a change from "after the same period as
>> above" to "after the same conditions as specified in item i. above".
>> However, in item ii, the words "after the same period as above=C2=B2 =
have
>> not been changed.
>>=20
>> Is the different approach in item ii deliberate?
>>=20
>> A1.  After review of ii in relation to i, iii, and iv, it is our
>> opinion that the same conditions should apply and have been =
incorporated.
>>=20
>> The specific change would be as follow:
>>=20
>> ii. The name must be configured to renew automatically. Removal of
>> this setting requires the approval of both administrative and
>> technical contacts, with override only possible by the registrant
>> after the same period as above.
>>=20
>> s/ after the same period as above./ after the same conditions as
>> specified in item i. above.
>>=20
>> The Licensor shall arrange sufficient funds to ensure renewal is
>> successful. Notices of pending, successful, and failed renewals must
>> go to both technical and administrative contacts.
>>=20
>> See Exhibit E attached with the markup.
>>=20
>> Q2.  Referencing Exhibit E Domain Name Registrar Requirements
>> section i, do we mean =E2=80=9Cno response=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno =
objection=E2=80=9D from the
>> current contacts? It is possible that any response (even simply
>> clarification) would inhibit update, and that may not be the desired
>> outcome.  We would appreciate confirmation and are fine with either
>> outcome.
>>=20
>> A2.  We mean =E2=80=9CNo Response.=E2=80=9D  Section i provides for =
two scenarios.
>>=20
>> The first is the situation where the approval of both the technical
>> contact and the administrative contact is needed to approve a change
>> to the technical contact information, that is, there is =E2=80=9CNo
>> Objection=E2=80=9D to the change.
>>=20
>> The second is the situation where =E2=80=9CNo Response=E2=80=9D was =
received from
>> the administrative and technical contacts (or =E2=80=9CNo =
Objection=E2=80=9D from
>> one and =E2=80=9CNo Response=E2=80=9D from the other).  In this =
situation the
>> registrant (the Trust) can override the need for the parties to
>> approve and approve the change to the technical contact information.
>> There must be evidence that notice of change was provided to both
>> parties and such action cannot be taken unless 10 business days have
>> passed.
>>=20
>> Q3.   Can we also obtain confirmation that the agreement between the
>> licensor and the registrar is only valid as long as the License
>> agreement is in force?
>>=20
>> A3.  The contract with the Registrar will not terminate merely as a
>> result of changing IANA service providers or the License Agreement
>>=20
>> The Trust is entering into a contract with CSC as Registrar for the
>> purpose of it holding the IANA domains.
>>=20
>> Exhibit E of the License Agreements is Schedule A section 7 of the
>> CSC Agreement.
>>=20
>> Neither Exhibit E nor Schedule A are ICANN specific.
>>=20
>> If ICANN is no longer the IANA Service Provider through PTI, License
>> Agreements will then be negotiated between the Trust and the new
>> provider(s).
>>=20
>> If Exhibit E of the License Agreement changes, then Schedule A of
>> the Trust contract with the Registrar will be changed.
>>=20
>> Of course the License Agreements will be changed in accordance with
>> the provisions of the Community Agreement.
>>=20
>> Applicable Community Agreement provisions include:
>>=20
>> Community Agreement Provisions
>>=20
>> 3.2       Licenses to IANA Operators.
>>=20
>> a.         The IETF Trust shall license the IANA Intellectual
>> Property, including the use of associated domain names, to one or
>> more third party operators selected as described below (=E2=80=9CIANA
>> Operators=E2=80=9D) for use in connection with performing IANA =
Services
>> under one or more written license agreements (=E2=80=9CLicense =
Agreements=E2=80=9D).
>>=20
>> e.         Operational Community IANA Operator Request.
>>=20
>> (i)  Upon the request of an Operational Community, the IETF Trust
>> will attempt in good faith to negotiate a License Agreement with a
>> prospective IANA Operator relating to the Operational Community=E2=80=99=
s
>> designated IANA Service and based to the greatest extent possible on
>> the Initial License Agreement(s) (or the License Agreement in use
>> immediately prior to such negotiation, if different). (ii)  The IETF
>> Trust and each Operational Community hereby acknowledge that the
>> License Agreement that the IETF Trust has executed with the initial
>> IANA Operator as of the Effective Date, attached hereto as Exhibit
>> D-1, D-2 or D-3, respectively (the =E2=80=9CInitial License =
Agreements=E2=80=9D) is
>> acceptable to it.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> <Exhibit E Domain Name Registrar Requirements Markup -01.pdf>
>=20
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class=3D"">Kaveh -&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">The Number Resource Organization has reviewed the proposed =
modifications and&nbsp;<div class=3D"">find that they address our early =
concerns. &nbsp; We are in agreement with the proposed&nbsp;</div><div =
class=3D"">next steps and thank everyone for their efforts on these =
agreements.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Best =
wishes,</div><div class=3D"">/John</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">John Curran</div><div class=3D"">Chair, =
NRO<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 20 Apr 2017, at 12:49 AM, =
Kaveh Ranjbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kranjbar@ripe.net" =
class=3D"">kranjbar@ripe.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8" =
class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: =
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">All;<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Thank you for your comments.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">The next step is that the Trust will publish the proposed<br =
class=3D"">modifications to Exhibit E for a two-week community review. =
(Exhibit<br class=3D"">E of the License Agreements: Domain Name =
Registrar Requirements)<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Unless there are =
suggestions otherwise, that notice will be sent to<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:iana-ipr@nro.net" class=3D"">iana-ipr@nro.net</a>&nbsp;and =
the IETF announce and ietf lists.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Please =
note the "Next Steps=E2=80=9D section in my original =
announcement&nbsp;<div class=3D"">sent out on 30th of March email =
(quoted below) and comment if you&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"">have =
suggestions.<div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D"">All the =
best,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Kaveh Ranjbar<br class=3D"">Chair, =
IETF Trust<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 30 Mar 2017, at 20:27, Kaveh =
Ranjbar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kranjbar@ripe.net" =
class=3D"">kranjbar@ripe.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">All;<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On 1st March the Trust sent =
proposed changes to the License<br class=3D"">Agreements with ICANN to =
the CCG and requested feedback.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Below are =
the Trust responses to the questions that were raised.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">We hope these satisfy the concerns of the CCG.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">In addition, we believe these are the Next =
Steps necessary to <br class=3D"">complete the transfer of the domains =
and we welcome your review <br class=3D"">and comments on these as =
well.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Next Steps<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">a. &nbsp;Trust sends response to CCG questions<br class=3D"">b.=
 &nbsp;CCG reviews and comments<br class=3D"">c. &nbsp;Upon acceptance, =
Trust publishes Exhibit E for community review <br class=3D""> [Exhibit =
E to License Agreement: Domain Name Registrar Requirements]<br =
class=3D"">d. &nbsp;Community Review<br class=3D"">e. &nbsp;With no =
substantive changes, Trust and ICANN execute <br class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>amendments to the three License Agreements<br class=3D"">f. =
&nbsp;Changes incorporated in the CSC Agreement Schedule A<br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;[Schedule A is the same as Exhibit E of the License =
Agreements]<br class=3D"">g. &nbsp;Trust publishes Schedule A of the CSC =
Agreement for Community Review <br class=3D"">h. &nbsp;Community =
Review<br class=3D"">i. &nbsp;With no substantive changes, Trust =
executes CSC Agreement<br class=3D"">j. &nbsp;Test of CSC conformance to =
the requirements <br class=3D"">k. &nbsp;Assuming successful test, all =
IANA domains transferred to Trust<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Again, we =
welcome your comments and suggestions.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Kaveh =
Ranjbar<br class=3D"">Chair, IETF Trust<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">++++++++++++++++++++++<br class=3D"">Responses to Questions =
Raised by CCG:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Q1: &nbsp;Referencing =
Exhibit E Domain Name Registrar Requirements In<br class=3D"">items iii =
and iv, there is a change from "after the same period as<br =
class=3D"">above" to "after the same conditions as specified in item i. =
above".<br class=3D"">However, in item ii, the words "after the same =
period as above=C2=B2 have<br class=3D"">not been changed.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Is the different approach in item ii =
deliberate?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">A1. &nbsp;After review of ii in =
relation to i, iii, and iv, it is our<br class=3D"">opinion that the =
same conditions should apply and have been incorporated.<br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D"">The specific change would be as follow:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">ii. The name must be configured to renew automatically. =
Removal of<br class=3D"">this setting requires the approval of both =
administrative and<br class=3D"">technical contacts, with override only =
possible by the registrant<br class=3D"">after the same period as =
above.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">s/ after the same period as above./ =
after the same conditions as<br class=3D"">specified in item i. =
above.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The Licensor shall arrange =
sufficient funds to ensure renewal is<br class=3D"">successful. Notices =
of pending, successful, and failed renewals must<br class=3D"">go to =
both technical and administrative contacts.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">See Exhibit E attached with the markup.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Q2. &nbsp;Referencing Exhibit E Domain Name Registrar =
Requirements<br class=3D"">section i, do we mean =E2=80=9Cno response=E2=80=
=9D or =E2=80=9Cno objection=E2=80=9D from the<br class=3D"">current =
contacts? It is possible that any response (even simply<br =
class=3D"">clarification) would inhibit update, and that may not be the =
desired<br class=3D"">outcome. &nbsp;We would appreciate confirmation =
and are fine with either<br class=3D"">outcome.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">A2. &nbsp;We mean =E2=80=9CNo Response.=E2=80=9D =
&nbsp;Section i provides for two scenarios.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">The first is the situation where the approval of both the =
technical<br class=3D"">contact and the administrative contact is needed =
to approve a change<br class=3D"">to the technical contact information, =
that is, there is =E2=80=9CNo<br class=3D"">Objection=E2=80=9D to the =
change.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The second is the situation where =
=E2=80=9CNo Response=E2=80=9D was received from<br class=3D"">the =
administrative and technical contacts (or =E2=80=9CNo Objection=E2=80=9D =
from<br class=3D"">one and =E2=80=9CNo Response=E2=80=9D from the =
other). &nbsp;In this situation the<br class=3D"">registrant (the Trust) =
can override the need for the parties to<br class=3D"">approve and =
approve the change to the technical contact information.<br =
class=3D"">There must be evidence that notice of change was provided to =
both<br class=3D"">parties and such action cannot be taken unless 10 =
business days have<br class=3D"">passed.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Q3. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;Can we also obtain confirmation that the agreement between =
the<br class=3D"">licensor and the registrar is only valid as long as =
the License<br class=3D"">agreement is in force?<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">A3. &nbsp;The contract with the Registrar will not terminate =
merely as a<br class=3D"">result of changing IANA service providers or =
the License Agreement<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The Trust is entering =
into a contract with CSC as Registrar for the<br class=3D"">purpose of =
it holding the IANA domains.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Exhibit E of =
the License Agreements is Schedule A section 7 of the<br class=3D"">CSC =
Agreement.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Neither Exhibit E nor Schedule A =
are ICANN specific.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">If ICANN is no longer =
the IANA Service Provider through PTI, License<br class=3D"">Agreements =
will then be negotiated between the Trust and the new<br =
class=3D"">provider(s).<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">If Exhibit E of the =
License Agreement changes, then Schedule A of<br class=3D"">the Trust =
contract with the Registrar will be changed.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Of course the License Agreements will be changed in =
accordance with<br class=3D"">the provisions of the Community =
Agreement.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Applicable Community Agreement =
provisions include:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Community Agreement =
Provisions<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">3.2 =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Licenses to IANA Operators.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">a. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The IETF Trust shall =
license the IANA Intellectual<br class=3D"">Property, including the use =
of associated domain names, to one or<br class=3D"">more third party =
operators selected as described below (=E2=80=9CIANA<br =
class=3D"">Operators=E2=80=9D) for use in connection with performing =
IANA Services<br class=3D"">under one or more written license agreements =
(=E2=80=9CLicense Agreements=E2=80=9D).<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">e. =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Operational Community =
IANA Operator Request.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">(i) &nbsp;Upon the =
request of an Operational Community, the IETF Trust<br class=3D"">will =
attempt in good faith to negotiate a License Agreement with a<br =
class=3D"">prospective IANA Operator relating to the Operational =
Community=E2=80=99s<br class=3D"">designated IANA Service and based to =
the greatest extent possible on<br class=3D"">the Initial License =
Agreement(s) (or the License Agreement in use<br class=3D"">immediately =
prior to such negotiation, if different). (ii) &nbsp;The IETF<br =
class=3D"">Trust and each Operational Community hereby acknowledge that =
the<br class=3D"">License Agreement that the IETF Trust has executed =
with the initial<br class=3D"">IANA Operator as of the Effective Date, =
attached hereto as Exhibit<br class=3D"">D-1, D-2 or D-3, respectively =
(the =E2=80=9CInitial License Agreements=E2=80=9D) is<br =
class=3D"">acceptable to it.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><span =
id=3D"cid:07F8063D-6AA1-4ABA-9E40-8F8259FF65B9" class=3D"">&lt;Exhibit E =
Domain Name Registrar Requirements Markup =
-01.pdf&gt;</span></div></div></blockquote></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________=
________<br class=3D"">CCG mailing list<br class=3D""><a =
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