From nobody Sat Oct 31 08:11:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietf.org Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7F21B616C; Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:43:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: "IETF Announcement List" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.7.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151029014342.27610.14795.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:43:42 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 08:11:47 -0700 Cc: tessa.fallon@gmail.com, cellar@ietf.org Subject: [Cellar] New Non-WG Mailing List: Cellar -- Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 01:43:42 -0000 A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. List address: cellar@ietf.org Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=cellar To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar Purpose: Discussion of work to formalize specifications of the Matroska media container, FFV1 codec, and FLAC codec, based on existing work from the respective communities. For additional information, please contact the list administrators. From nobody Sat Oct 31 08:11:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietf.org Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9C11ACE03; Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.7.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151029234103.10432.26722.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:41:03 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 08:11:47 -0700 Cc: cellar@ietf.org Subject: [Cellar] WG Review: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission (cellar) X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 23:41:03 -0000 A new IETF working group has been proposed in the Applications and Real-Time Area. The IESG has not made any determination yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg at ietf.org) by 2015-11-09. Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission (cellar) ------------------------------------------------ Current Status: Proposed WG Chairs: Tessa Fallon Assigned Area Director: Ben Campbell Mailing list Address: cellar@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/cellar/ Charter: The preservation of audiovisual materials faces challenges from technological obsolescence, analog media deterioration, and the use of proprietary formats that lack formal open standards. While obsolescence and material degradation are widely addressed, the standardization of open, transparent, self-descriptive, lossless formats remains an important mission to be undertaken by the open source community. FFV1 is a lossless video codec and Matroska is an extensible media container based on EBML (Extensible Binary Meta Language), a binary XML format. There are open source implementations of both formats, and an increasing interest in and support for use of FFV1 and Matroska. However, there are concerns about the sustainability and credibility of existing specifications for the long-term use of these formats. These existing specifications require broader review and formalization in order to encourage widespread adoption. There is also a need for a lossless audio format to complement the lossless video codec and container format. FLAC is a lossless audio codec that has seen widespread adoption in a number of different applications including archival applications. While there are open source implementations of the codec, no formal standards for either the codec itself or its use in container formats currently exist. Review and formalization of the FLAC codec standard and its use in Matroska container formats is needed for wider adoption. Using existing work done by the development communities of Matroska, FFV1, and FLAC, the Working Group will formalize specifications for these open and lossless formats. In order to provide authoritative, standardized specifications for users and developers, the Working Group will seek consensus throughout the process of refining and formalizing these standards. Initial specifications can be accessed here: Specifications: - FFV1: https://mediaarea.net/temp/ffv1.html - Matroska: http://matroska.org/technical/specs/index.html - EBML: http://matroska-org.github.io/libebml/specs.html - FLAC: https://xiph.org/flac/format.html Development Versions: - FFV1: https://github.com/ffmpeg/ffv1 - Matroska: https://github.com/Matroska-Org/foundation-source/blob/master/spectool/specdata.xml - EBML: https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specification The Working Group will seek consensus and refinements for specifications for both FFV1 and Matroska in order to provide authoritative, standardized specifications for users and developers. Backward compatibility with existing versions 0-3 of the FFV1 and Matroska specifications will be an important goal, while also reviewing and refining the current version 4 under active development. Although not encouraged, non-backwards-compatible changes to the input specifications will be acceptable if the Working Group determines that the modifications are required to meet the group's technical objectives, provided that the reasons for these changes are clearly documented. Deliverables: - Informational specification for Matroska container format versions 1, 2 and 3 to IESG for publication - Standards Track specification for Matroska container format version 4 to IESG for publication - Informational specification for FFV1 video codec versions 0, 1 and 3 to IESG for publication - Standards Track specification for FFV1 video codec version 4 to IESG for publication - Standards Track specification for FLAC audio codec to IESG for publication Milestones: TBD