From nobody Fri May 3 10:13:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B319A1202A1 for ; Fri, 3 May 2019 10:13:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yyxRgk27qalg for ; Fri, 3 May 2019 10:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A385312028E for ; Fri, 3 May 2019 10:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2:56b2:3ff:fe0b:d84]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDAE3826F for ; Fri, 3 May 2019 13:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 682A511B4; Fri, 3 May 2019 13:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B68F19 for ; Fri, 3 May 2019 13:13:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: cellar@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] virtual interim meeting - 2019-04-30 X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 May 2019 17:13:44 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Hello, there should have been a virtual interim meeting on Tuesday. I am uncertain if I pushed send on a note about it being cancelled, so this is a belated email. I just found this in the unsent-box. I did not do the right paperwork to send out the right notices to the community, so there was no official meeting Tuesday. I hope some tickets got closed, or emails relating to documents were sent :-) The next meetings will be: 2019-05-28 2019-06-25 and please see: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/ -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlzMdsMACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUZkgf/R+q48jXDShG7/GTVxQ9G9mVwh+i4ZSwgr17MBTkhE0za53wx8orcMyra 9JPewXRfWA91t0+s+6Hlib3dRz6gTOvFnoMKesR/mGLqe+NSFO3P6BQGHioun58r xXBUmlH2RKW7h/R7F7FLuATK9Zac7N7Sqbg2NVAKRLnfcgHNoxUxz4P3fiUiGfkB FKkRS4XexNq6L9VrHdkCFUb99Npd2+xLtWDZWpSIvQ5fosaFxTknAk6BsbQvcbWI azEmULJB+JbEGvdgPboWQqFQ4GqUyfn9vFqeXek1TrnBN2+75MP630IUKFjTlu2a gUk/J5saBDWuiuLetOWlP3PtjMa6BQ== =Zmab -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed May 8 00:02:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D0D120183 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 00:02:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=matroska-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i2FIr9nIo0_L for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 00:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-x434.google.com (mail-wr1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DAE712014A for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 00:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x434.google.com with SMTP id e11so12610270wrs.0 for ; Wed, 08 May 2019 00:02:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=matroska-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YnVLl/jqYKp2Q7S0S18z6QGYapZPpA+Pu7McMciC/y4=; b=mQUjibia+lTMzj2IDLx2Pqf9BKoSC4BTascjJiK0+vZnTA4xL1MLzLJRVrB3PVqS0u 3oaLvWDJB5J0EVyMw6Bd2/cuhoZFFIBZz001SARXJxREnteRizAkznkF2vVEsrjMxaVT euIwMeOlbm/7oE4aVvvSLPtKhtdnk44HirpBpbEp6uSyeNfKNYGKUGAOvT3Svv0hr8eB evT60zP+potpUvfTJqmeDfMrcj2Gm3f8VunCK7cH8KzFtMLa1vu+yndP0NZ0PpRqfs+4 pR/hSFE60Uqi1BEiKLegYRLsv4SYO3kOyNHeucky2FVVqysulg2Qx34IRLW/u7V+3oSq DfrA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YnVLl/jqYKp2Q7S0S18z6QGYapZPpA+Pu7McMciC/y4=; b=LrftPh19NY+bFueSjAPgbFA7P+STxEy5M2bUWDUEucy/MuxP+pdttXYse4bDZti1sa OklDebdfE5oVBbV2rvMCEukki9Hik1flNSyvdlAQroC86+XFkb8ca7kq1/wujNmeMcCf HWKUDfbLjFGw5h6tFi9X8qDGhCV3mg44jcDJJnjC/W1L/5g0JyBqoiEkAvRFSA13CZhZ LZuZAnmLWCofeQOpVk6dqspKpWMjF6vzD4qm5P0Gi/TMjm8KX+MTlDzlUf11Xlv45foe y4kK1xYYsXUThZL49Nq/nDPnhjl7ApWN/0Tl8ZT+sWxCnYq9fNN6AOXH2/6i7n4ZsUFM n2gw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW3gqTvShM6OhJwtCIAi4vKpRM0m1TFbM3LGTx0p8ax2Mg0aL9o 3wNPmUPFxFoqfzI/pWN4qawKBzDJAC1S5w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqztkCEvZpg2gYeaHYadj/phODJTP5tbya7k9C29/ML/g0awwSuX9wcbj+uam62m1zzBmxCE2A== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4a44:: with SMTP id v4mr10178837wrs.84.1557298965520; Wed, 08 May 2019 00:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.3.26] (229.74.9.109.rev.sfr.net. [109.9.74.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i16sm11009214wrs.5.2019.05.08.00.02.43 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 08 May 2019 00:02:44 -0700 (PDT) To: cellar@ietf.org References: <17290.1556903619@localhost> From: Steve Lhomme Message-ID: <91c59542-8f7d-e068-24c8-b1149f5f182e@matroska.org> Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 09:02:43 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <17290.1556903619@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] virtual interim meeting - 2019-04-30 X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 07:02:49 -0000 Hi, On 2019-05-03 19:13, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Hello, there should have been a virtual interim meeting on Tuesday. > I am uncertain if I pushed send on a note about it being cancelled, so this > is a belated email. I just found this in the unsent-box. > > I did not do the right paperwork to send out the right notices to the > community, so there was no official meeting Tuesday. > > I hope some tickets got closed, or emails relating to documents were sent :-) I connected but was alone :( I wasn't sure it was supposed to be the previous week or it got canceled. I'm glad that fog is cleared now :) > The next meetings will be: > 2019-05-28 > 2019-06-25 > > and please see: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/ > > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cellar mailing list > Cellar@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cellar > From nobody Wed May 8 00:26:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C0D1201D1 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 00:26:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=matroska-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qc9JFy83QAn3 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 00:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x32d.google.com (mail-wm1-x32d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E3B4120041 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 00:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32d.google.com with SMTP id y2so1829651wmi.5 for ; Wed, 08 May 2019 00:26:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=matroska-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G3PwKmVeMFuZEhHvLvkSsbch7aoFsEEGP36dM5MNljk=; b=gSYRA32Y1TaQaDLR5qCnxZ3yuA37r38TLHP0iEdOM+YZQVqHSotmryYTCXGYoTQPZa R1vsUD26q2euQerD1Z6nAp+ItL/Pxpsl/JbCmSHiLKctccdIP4/hwF2v5ealLVAKfY9w BW9VsqhTKdUJ0HG/1zoFlKZqzLEvx0/EA8wcBQ+qtPQ8kbmj/D28aiiCkFfpVnu3mAMV Is80Nt3cmhDw2g4M/gnEhOoyvxYxmxYK054QaHo6vWjjXpHaGSee9Fl3ESmmxxTw/5gj GmS6/Jqdp7pfTTy3xiVSAxd0mmFFpPrAmIT0fhow/pgl+ZCiOpPHxlENnSUJsQgF0Qb3 jcZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G3PwKmVeMFuZEhHvLvkSsbch7aoFsEEGP36dM5MNljk=; b=Juq84lUkB8SQ3kY7029/PjaQK3GchA6xh6GxUN3jmPhdH/f++P9D3SA6qnG8LZxpuN fPJS51Nu2Bv5sKBbvB4zhiqYLDxkH96ZHeZFjLHaphRQSXPRhKTwEvHlWWlStk41tZma weyVwokTvedMIXEv1ncg8vVHyjJKalHu5ErcWgqbtdhckn42OvTcm6gvHMD/STUtt4D7 UjBf8MMkyIBS72AKwmJCcVr+EmmEnK9eDm84Q35q9sZL6yNkQ9AtSpRi4BhqRCJYv0WR KkSb27uukqOdNXmIqxASTLiUQ46cZ/fiehT8EQ0IfVqdp/CFd7B5/2DlEMP0wtZmS2qO 3Ing== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWFQRTmOskdzt/r8/37fCbzcYhHl2YkEqRTjVx4vmtKEPHKdPNu EAz15MBz7hLA4Xadu7je5ou9n3WLDfRN7g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzbPebXlzQeOiE1wd+sj6SFHdNFhbw8KkF8m7q70ClVomqcHvnTqCv7Ji3nVN3oQaDc2bTCwQ== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:f504:: with SMTP id t4mr1772247wmh.121.1557300389812; Wed, 08 May 2019 00:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.3.26] (229.74.9.109.rev.sfr.net. [109.9.74.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r9sm7286653wrj.57.2019.05.08.00.26.28 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 08 May 2019 00:26:29 -0700 (PDT) To: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission From: Steve Lhomme Message-ID: <7b433e61-a6ee-48ab-e9e8-87d18c4a3251@matroska.org> Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 09:26:28 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] IANA Registry X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 07:26:33 -0000 Hi, During the review of EBML drafts, Robert Sparks suggested that we may not need one (two in fact) if we decide that EBML is only for Matroska and WebM. The idea being that if EBML is not considered a general purpose format (even though it can) it may be easier to get the spec adopted by the IETF, otherwise it needs a lot more scrutiny. I don't think it means people can use EBML for other things, so I think it's fine. Any opinion on this ? We have an "issue" to solve about this https://github.com/cellar-wg/ebml-specification/issues/236 From nobody Wed May 8 01:28:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F94120298 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 01:27:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kSJJIlVJ1Kxk for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 01:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 6.mo68.mail-out.ovh.net (6.mo68.mail-out.ovh.net [46.105.63.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF02B12028F for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 01:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from player729.ha.ovh.net (unknown [10.109.159.7]) by mo68.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C31124D68 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 10:27:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mediaarea.net (pD9E2E596.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.226.229.150]) (Authenticated sender: jerome@mediaarea.net) by player729.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 80F615ADE463 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 08:27:48 +0000 (UTC) To: cellar@ietf.org References: <7b433e61-a6ee-48ab-e9e8-87d18c4a3251@matroska.org> From: Jerome Martinez Message-ID: <187afbc3-6b28-5722-a777-4291f74e4700@mediaarea.net> Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 10:27:50 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7b433e61-a6ee-48ab-e9e8-87d18c4a3251@matroska.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 10593873701623894161 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 0 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduuddrkeefgddtvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjpdevjffgvefmvefgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucehtddtnecu Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] IANA Registry X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 08:27:59 -0000 On 08/05/2019 09:26, Steve Lhomme wrote: > The idea being that if EBML is not considered a general purpose format > (even though it can) it may be easier to get the spec adopted by the > IETF, otherwise it needs a lot more scrutiny. You mean that having a IANA registry would slow down the process? I didn't get that it has such impact, as the doc should be same in both cases IMO, IANA being just a registry for avoiding name collisions. IMO it would be a nice to have, but not the priority, the priority being Matroska/WebM. Jérôme From nobody Wed May 8 01:45:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D30612008F for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 01:44:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=matroska-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pSAQ74dcI4cT for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 01:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x32e.google.com (mail-wm1-x32e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8215912008B for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 01:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id y197so2149790wmd.0 for ; Wed, 08 May 2019 01:44:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=matroska-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sXSxPd8ELtxEclx0SBcbBwp51siuN4cSc69XlW8rr24=; b=pKkAl3wloSzrl7811tqapUHC2sZ3fGC3Iv3o8lI6uJe4s+91H3I43WOTtohu/Tev0W U+vKc6iNVCWBef2OT+BrKYGTa5KG/rKfuariAybxVhO7d7A9MDpkkGhGSBtjt6qV9rn4 jYEuE+wk08p9H4+afPqaWtsNttFVOshAIQv3SgEUo0ffUownZLXDXfaxN6cM0SltZ8KG zC8vf1yO1LYpB2s5RFERc2DvTwFop5gs71QeGQjdgsCT92xYrPtDBJ8U0VzV1nP17dcB K74m6xoWGLWfS7AudEQRIa+x9FqF60t/IdVQfTkglfWqos3kkMpqpXeoSDfyuO2DOfKx QQqQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sXSxPd8ELtxEclx0SBcbBwp51siuN4cSc69XlW8rr24=; b=oJtAoMhDZt4PkCTFx02ivinMLJvRUwqS9y1JFQlpDTS23f9+zhYCRUUIc+3e0szaUg Q8hjOuc6hJgZt7/N+VJ+jdvVrQuINoUzr7n9JBa6KX9xXGscQQoIqi/GuNTiELaZ6ABm 3GH8v9TE9mvftkCcrAEW+q8CqWfdBJRomkAuYne1EBAj4+AgUqZGTSBEWVfWnKSdsxQ0 yoaF5o0psqB99b5HdtLhJO4aoCJQS0Z8yka7iQXvtzAPQ2cfK1HQXCJODHeDrZ82vAPC tXHKCSrH+FDxo8FWMMB+iR3E3fv4HDRkFTIC0fZpA0v8CFiiliUoaEUb/ehCOOVhiRjh lMmw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWurcEDu7/4bL14RUrR8PPtoU8okxOkgJPc+iINL6v0SvKUrXNE Ht2AdJithB41+PK5mkbJLgO5dvqnYxkMZA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzlgFkAIq9XA6d3Q1vXh6COqGU/FzLoC0py/aWFPuYy0kv9EgeutM0bGSZvlp/Wr3UOpydrMQ== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:d181:: with SMTP id i123mr2175036wmg.33.1557305095701; Wed, 08 May 2019 01:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.3.26] (229.74.9.109.rev.sfr.net. [109.9.74.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g12sm3016585wmh.17.2019.05.08.01.44.54 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 08 May 2019 01:44:54 -0700 (PDT) To: cellar@ietf.org References: <7b433e61-a6ee-48ab-e9e8-87d18c4a3251@matroska.org> <187afbc3-6b28-5722-a777-4291f74e4700@mediaarea.net> From: Steve Lhomme Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 10:44:54 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <187afbc3-6b28-5722-a777-4291f74e4700@mediaarea.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] IANA Registry X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 08:45:00 -0000 On 2019-05-08 10:27, Jerome Martinez wrote: > On 08/05/2019 09:26, Steve Lhomme wrote: >> The idea being that if EBML is not considered a general purpose format >> (even though it can) it may be easier to get the spec adopted by the >> IETF, otherwise it needs a lot more scrutiny. > > You mean that having a IANA registry would slow down the process? I > didn't get that it has such impact, as the doc should be same in both > cases IMO, IANA being just a registry for avoiding name collisions. > IMO it would be a nice to have, but not the priority, the priority being > Matroska/WebM. No, the idea was to reduce the scope of the EBML spec, so that it only covers EBML and Matroska. Making it a general purpose format, means that will need to be a lot more solid (not that we don't want that) and will require longer/more in-depth reviewing. 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Simplifying the scope of the project would help forward progress to be made. Additionally, I'm not sure how useful it is to make EBML a general purpose format. It's been around for quite some time but has seen limited adoption (if any) outside of Matroska/WebM. Personally, I would prefer to put CELLAR's resources behind standardizing Matroska/WebM, and only after that's done work on making EBML a general purpose format (if there's sufficient interest and it's worth the effort). --Michael --0000000000006978040588636bfd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: Steve Lhomme <slhomme@matroska.o= rg>
Any opinion on this ?

I, for one, am in= favor of making EBML specific to Matroska/WebM. Simplifying=C2=A0the scope= of the project would help forward progress to be made. Additionally, I'= ;m not sure how useful it is to make EBML a general purpose format. It'= s been around for quite some time but has seen limited adoption (if any) ou= tside of Matroska/WebM. Personally, I would prefer to put CELLAR's reso= urces behind standardizing Matroska/WebM, and only after that's done wo= rk on making EBML a general purpose format (if there's sufficient inter= est and it's worth the effort).

--Michael
--0000000000006978040588636bfd-- From nobody Wed May 8 11:43:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B141201E4 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 11:43:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PUVlHpnmLd6Y for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 11:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F9D7120106 for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 11:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE964380BE for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 14:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 758FAF47; Wed, 8 May 2019 14:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7413ACBE for ; Wed, 8 May 2019 14:43:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: cellar@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <7b433e61-a6ee-48ab-e9e8-87d18c4a3251@matroska.org> <187afbc3-6b28-5722-a777-4291f74e4700@mediaarea.net> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] IANA Registry X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 18:43:23 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Steve Lhomme wrote: > On 2019-05-08 10:27, Jerome Martinez wrote: >> On 08/05/2019 09:26, Steve Lhomme wrote: >>> The idea being that if EBML is not considered a general purpose >>> format (even though it can) it may be easier to get the spec adopted >>> by the IETF, otherwise it needs a lot more scrutiny. >> >> You mean that having a IANA registry would slow down the process? I >> didn't get that it has such impact, as the doc should be same in both >> cases IMO, IANA being just a registry for avoiding name collisions. >> IMO it would be a nice to have, but not the priority, the priority >> being Matroska/WebM. > No, the idea was to reduce the scope of the EBML spec, so that it only > covers EBML and Matroska. Making it a general purpose format, means > that will need to be a lot more solid (not that we don't want that) and > will require longer/more in-depth reviewing. So text that says it is general purpose would instead say something like: EBML is an extensible format for the preservation of audiovisual materials. It is used as a container by the Matroska, FFV1 and FLAC codecs. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlzTI0cACgkQgItw+93Q 3WVJhwgAtQfP2Ze5LBgL/keA+Bs0ooJ5kksI66cOPmr/H72/dBB8ezmmqhRef67Y GrwMtuL7WwWzwZHhM4oiYOpwoXhnDkKQ+UvXrSY3LGOtJ4eE9gy2KVgJ+AfkKM7l guJzxIIecTvTOHhOqQU5XWn072iKKrurEM0XXJ/75SQyJLF/ejVBTWkNE4q5LOt8 peeJomNestcydMkMRnP+dlvN4smSbs0dgMOc150MzFa75b7lFqxOUXzl+D+0TSJq 8NYngX5adBwGZ7GzAem/GDrOgwTo07umeSfU0tX03SVS5nK/HtS5SwJg2gZ9Qvbh psbsg50cv+KB/obq6LggZTL7BBt2uw== =jCsU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu May 9 06:32:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397B612021B for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 06:32:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YL0dP62TpyvT for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 06:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server172-3.web-hosting.com (server172-3.web-hosting.com [68.65.122.111]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF02D1201D8 for ; Thu, 9 May 2019 06:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [146.96.19.240] (port=39736 helo=[10.10.201.33]) by server172.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1hOj8V-002BI4-BT for cellar@ietf.org; Thu, 09 May 2019 09:32:31 -0400 From: Dave Rice Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 09:30:58 -0400 To: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server172.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dericed.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server172.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: dave@dericed.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server172.web-hosting.com: dave@dericed.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] Announcing the 4th No Time to Wait conference: December 5-6 in Budapest X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 13:32:40 -0000 Hello CELLAR, I wanted to share this news as many members of this community have = participated in this conference before. MediaArea and the Vera and Donald Blinken Open Society Archives at = Central European University are pleased to announce the fourth No Time = to Wait conference, to be held in December 2019 and hosted by the = Blinken Open Society Archives at CEU in Budapest, Hungary. Those working = with audiovisual archiving, digital preservation, open media, and open = standards as well as curious onlookers are welcome to attend, discuss, = and present on subjects pertaining to our theme: the intersection of = open media, standardization, and audiovisual preservation. When & Where Workshop/codeday: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 Conference: Thursday, December 5, 2019 and Friday, December 6, 2019 Vera and Donald Blinken Open Society Archives, Arany J=C3=A1nos u. 32, = 1051 Budapest, Hungary =20 The Call for Proposals and initial registration are now available at = https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait4. This 2 day symposium includes drinks and lunch on site (thanks, Open = Society Archives!). We are currently seeking additional sponsorship to = keep this conference free, support travel grants for attendees, and to = support a social dinner for Thursday night. Please reach out to = MediaArea about sponsorship questions. =20 Also note that on Friday, we'll be celebrating the 17th birthday of the = Matroska format. Please watch the website at https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait4 for No = Time to Wait 4 or follow @nttwconf for updates, including registration = and a call for proposals. =20 Feel welcome to send any questions, comments, or inquiries to MediaArea, = https://mediaarea.net/Contact Kind Regards, Dave Rice= From nobody Fri May 10 15:51:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35451200B7 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 15:51:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EhFIj-F0RVzC for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 15:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-x435.google.com (mail-wr1-x435.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::435]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26E8E120044 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 15:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x435.google.com with SMTP id a12so9444082wrn.4 for ; Fri, 10 May 2019 15:51:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=1Ac6wTmuVbOMwIR1j7piYt2kkJdRpmoHg8mTP0oDoWQ=; b=CeO99YkVd3l70iDOSaYOws0oZov4MIGXhRKI/lLNdtwwgsbd/UonBuQGmdR+ft9bhd 73pWMlwHgtx9vX47630GR4RPyt5MK21fbqBde/bLmwVFMtCGzwnQWx1V8Eq5fdVNNxYd 24NSqCykyWwoeW0Zy+oYRXnTkN85q7JeZe+FkkRXGBCapt1kjLdDm2yji5HKYmE7dBNV 5FY7rXj/KVZavjjo7SH8cFIEPPnv0FMJ6uoH9JHpaAWmYU6/iFh8cNnX1aCb1UiAFH11 mdeC+ueVK3TsWVFmcF34yu2JgyBv06iQUXFJ90mxW8ZAM5RORMGCiPaWKc9RVdINChUI ayZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=1Ac6wTmuVbOMwIR1j7piYt2kkJdRpmoHg8mTP0oDoWQ=; b=OVaJqcTP3ASTqznVzdpZBFHZyKX+mgS+w+Yug0NdkuKnLuwKNFrrZPj+lvc9pRp1uh lW2oOz/2xiTLAiIFgyRz1lbFympkau7AuOsorH2ZIPRLCmGdRwx3qGjxE0lo6qvOe9xk 9LlASbQrBw+Yc4SkSH0GWOhG2cg9wCP1+aNJs6D9oeM2vyt9V60VJPgleT8MZoRqVfEp sbTOsGen72Ku8GARB9Cn9TiBifKsiL3fniZbFuKjBp7PXLI/A6Z6VgJoAngBSuFgjMeJ 058HZ1G8zPhEdF3uvBKnwv0qR99ZonLsAj0JEUKVO0Fe+U8FH5Yy8bQ7VAEwg71HbN9S rhjA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWbP8RANLqDia8pw/MSA3qzGywIPCFDLxXhHPgZ+QqCWT7YJ6b5 mltN5t1jaFiYGbChEVDogvyu/nOqX+GkD2ErlGblmgsAHcQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxjZIbABQI/8ndXGgUWbz1Yq4LXjFXq0NsYZVxTTokuHIC3zWONPgmqex1PesaZaAF/7bP5TcPFTqyN642xqzg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:3:: with SMTP id h3mr9054116wrx.314.1557528703907; Fri, 10 May 2019 15:51:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael Bradshaw Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 15:51:32 -0700 Message-ID: To: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000202d56058890695a" Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] How does Matroska signal sync/IDR frames? X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 22:51:48 -0000 --000000000000202d56058890695a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >From what I understand, Matroska signals keyframes either in the SimpleBlock's header or in a BlockGroup (implicitly by the lack of ReferenceBlock elements). However, the term "keyframe" isn't well defined. Are all keyframes IDR frames? Or are non-IDR I-frames also considered keyframes? If so, is there any way to distinguish which frames are IDR frames? --000000000000202d56058890695a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From what I understand, Matroska signals = keyframes either in the SimpleBlock's header or in a BlockGroup (implic= itly by the lack of=C2=A0ReferenceBlock elements).
However, the term "keyframe" isn't well defined.= Are all keyframes IDR frames? Or are non-IDR I-frames also considered keyf= rames? If so, is there any way to distinguish which frames are IDR frames?<= /div>
--000000000000202d56058890695a-- From nobody Sat May 18 05:25:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52427120088 for ; Sat, 18 May 2019 05:25:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=bunkus.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wxQieJZ21-UA for ; Sat, 18 May 2019 05:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adara.bunkus.org (adara.bunkus.org [144.76.6.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3B54120191 for ; Sat, 18 May 2019 05:25:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bunkus.org; s=mail2018100901; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:To:From; bh=5dK4xa7XQ373K2k2Ru2Pjab62VJTWgeUgIfBY6yFyok=; b=IvJMkEZ8VcASPDAonP2Zbdhe2x+PlGKHqM5pI+g1QqyOlaMLJNmPu9fQxcW9LQE6c6JJo5Lu0F43ri963BEWsVBG9YvVY618gLuA++MC9VaSsJqdNGiH4+moMBVcdl2JWMG6hAcqqlUv+Vt0Wm/XFlkfcrw3Y/Zdapi0gRa7tyk=; Received: from liselle.bunkus.org ([2a01:4f8:190:8147::105:1]:51080) by adara.bunkus.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1hRyPJ-0000Mk-2k; Sat, 18 May 2019 14:25:46 +0200 Received: from sweet-chili.local (unknown [10.55.5.2]) by liselle.bunkus.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C67A7654001C; Sat, 18 May 2019 14:25:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sweet-chili (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sweet-chili.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39A63EF3AC; Sat, 18 May 2019 14:25:37 +0200 (CEST) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0203.5CDFF9CA.0030, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 User-agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 26.2 From: Moritz Bunkus To: help Questions , Cellar list Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 14:25:37 +0200 Message-ID: <87o940kkzi.fsf@bunkus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] MKVToolNix v34.0.0 released X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 12:25:55 -0000 Hey, here's the May release of MKVToolNix, v34.0.0. It's a tiny update with just three bugs fixed (and several translations updated). There've been no changes regarding packaging since the previous release. Here are the usual links: =E2=80=A6to the source code: https://mkvtoolnix.download/source.html =E2=80=A6to the binaries: https://mkvtoolnix.download/downloads.html The Windows and macOS binaries as well as the Linux AppImage are available already. The other Linux binaries are still being built and will be available of the course of the next couple of hours. Here are the NEWS since the previous release: ------------------------------------------------------------ # Version 34.0.0 "Sight and Seen" 2019-05-18 ## Bug fixes * mkvmerge: all subtitle frames are now treated as key frames in order to f= ix wrong data in source files. Fixes #2541. * mkvmerge: AV1: fixed frame timestamp calculation when reading bitstreams that lack timing information from IVF files. Fixes #2553. * mkvmerge: Matroska reader: fixed an infinite loop that could happen with large video frames and applied timestamp files due to too much data being buffered at the wrong time. Fixes #2550. ------------------------------------------------------------ Have fun :) mosu From nobody Sun May 26 18:13:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D96F12021B for ; Sun, 26 May 2019 18:13:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Epiyz00G_3LT for ; Sun, 26 May 2019 18:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AF1612020A for ; Sun, 26 May 2019 18:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531A03808A for ; Sun, 26 May 2019 21:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id BDAABD91; Sun, 26 May 2019 21:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC426B93 for ; Sun, 26 May 2019 21:13:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: cellar@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] 2019-05-28 20:00UTC DRAFT agenda for virtual interim meeting X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 01:13:29 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting May 28, 2019 20:00 UTC INFO: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-cellar-04/session/cell= ar https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-cellar-04-sessa/ WEB CONFERENCE: https://appear.in/cellar-interim THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN You can try this at any time. These notes at: https://github.com/cellar-wg/chair-notes Proposed Agenda: 1. Note Well. 2. Accept draft minutes from April 2 meeting 3. Logistics for Meeting. 2a) Etherpad for notes https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-cellar-virtual?useMonospaceF= ont=3Dtrue 2b) APPEAR.IN for video and screen sharing. https://appear.in/cellar-interim (as agreed last meeting) 2c) Roll call 4. WG status update - EBML seems to be getting some additional edits, is it done? These were the issues that are waiting for clarification: https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specification/issues?q=3Dis%3A= issue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aclarifications We still have a few open. Can we close them now? Dave Rice expected to push version 10. 5. Matroska document changes since last meeting. https://github.com/cellar-wg/matroska-specification/issues Can we close some of these, and/or get them sorted and prioritized? 6. Started 4-week adopting call for Free Lossless Audio Codec draft-weaver-cellar-flac-00 will end at next virtual-interim meeting. 7. Any Other Business =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D minutes from April CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting April 2, 2019 20:00 UTC DRAFT MINUTES FROM 2019-02-26 below INFO: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-cellar-03/session/cell= ar https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-interim-2019-cellar-03-sessa/ WEB CONFERENCE: https://appear.in/cellar-interim THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN You can try this at any time. These notes at: https://github.com/cellar-wg/chair-notes Attendees: * Michael Richardson * Steve Lhomme * J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Martinez * Michael Niedermayer * sign-in here Names for above: * Dave Rice (regrets) Proposed Agenda: 1. Note Well. https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ 2. Accept draft minutes from February meeting see them here, and in email: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-= interim-2019-cellar-03-sessa/ agreed without objections. 3. Logistics for Meeting. 2a) Etherpad for notes https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-cellar-virtual?useMonospaceF= ont=3Dtrue 2b) APPEAR.IN for video and screen sharing. https://appear.in/cellar-interim (as agreed last meeting) 2c) Roll call 4. WG status update - EBML is waiting on AD to proceed version 10 is pending, and waiting for some review of this. These are the issues that are waiting for clarification. https://github.com/Matroska-Org/ebml-specification/issues?q=3Dis%3Aissue+i= s%3Aopen+label%3Aclarifications Dave Rice to push version 10. version 10 to be produced with with closed issues, including formatting= changes, and a version 11 with not yet discussed. summary on what was fixed: with links to PRs and explanations for each goal to have this out this first week of April. - FFv1 is past WGLC and awaits AD attention - new AD is Alexey.Melnikov at isode.com 5. use of cellar-wg organization ebml and matroska repo will be moved to cellar-wg organization. 6. issues raised and/or closed since Feb 26 =2D- are we ready for WG adoption on FLAC document? --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlzrObMACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUpBQf9H5gtE0qvAnHeTPT0IFQV+GzcnacRS1rpGJqPNGHxn44wM1ASGIJpspwp 06gLvMXCT0QeJuFXiEfX+PtbTZTzJHD5O7oWFaT+DjUzPpqpAboLJDQiXgnXaEOi P1TVaCGI2wvmU0cGVMhhuuXb0Wk5aaciukkt2KS8CaRx+1+C8tu/9jutnYEd9er3 OboAoJnCjs0RjMoPOGkXk1AltcJAYz880ZvqCejn5dWpfQJk+Ta1E9gJ7NbvEGbD YaEZGFnxiT9f0xnmZsCwL9KoqFriIFRQ0xWhu8dIHx/acePhoRth7I3wWKnwfZBC f0NKvSTtzzw4yCY5jigRl/yGKdHj5Q== =kkHh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon May 27 14:40:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietf.org Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E545012018D; Mon, 27 May 2019 14:40:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: cellar@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.97.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cellar@ietf.org Message-ID: <155899324786.672.16697975462974938640@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 14:40:47 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Cellar] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-10.txt X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 21:40:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission WG of the IETF. Title : Extensible Binary Meta Language Authors : Steve Lhomme Dave Rice Moritz Bunkus Filename : draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-10.txt Pages : 45 Date : 2019-05-27 Abstract: This document defines the Extensible Binary Meta Language (EBML) format as a generalized file format for any type of data in a hierarchical form. EBML is designed as a binary equivalent to XML and uses a storage-efficient approach to build nested Elements with identifiers, lengths, and values. Similar to how an XML Schema defines the structure and semantics of an XML Document, this document defines how EBML Schemas are created to convey the semantics of an EBML Document. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cellar-ebml/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-cellar-ebml-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue May 28 10:57:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1901200B7 for ; Tue, 28 May 2019 10:57:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bXQozilosUK5 for ; Tue, 28 May 2019 10:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-sh2.infomaniak.ch (smtp-sh2.infomaniak.ch [128.65.195.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB10512016A for ; Tue, 28 May 2019 10:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp6.infomaniak.ch (smtp6.infomaniak.ch [83.166.132.19]) by smtp-sh.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id x4SHvRb1004593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 May 2019 19:57:27 +0200 Received: from Castor ([IPv6:2a02:aa13:4680:f280:d833:2822:7c90:b9e0]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp6.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id x4SHvQhd006104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 28 May 2019 19:57:27 +0200 Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 19:57:27 +0200 From: Reto Kromer To: cellar@ietf.org cc: Michael Richardson X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <4357.1558919603@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.4.3 (480) X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Unix mail servers drweb plugin ver.6.0.2.8 X-Antivirus-Code: 0x100000 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] 2019-05-28 20:00UTC DRAFT agenda for virtual interim meeting X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 17:57:33 -0000 Michael Richardson wrote: >CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting >May 28, 2019 20:00 UTC Sorry, I cannot attend the meeting for health reasons (starting at 10 pm it's too late for me). Best regards, Reto From nobody Wed May 29 07:20:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FECF120122 for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 07:20:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BSXQoVK7C2IK for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 07:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C829120165 for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 07:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2:56b2:3ff:fe0b:d84]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1D13826E; Wed, 29 May 2019 10:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id AA98CF60; Wed, 29 May 2019 10:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F97C9E; Wed, 29 May 2019 10:20:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Reto Kromer cc: cellar@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] 2019-05-28 20:00UTC DRAFT agenda for virtual interim meeting X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 14:20:36 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Reto Kromer wrote: >> CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting >> May 28, 2019 20:00 UTC > Sorry, I cannot attend the meeting for health reasons (starting > at 10 pm it's too late for me). Does this consideration apply to others? Would moving an hour earlier work? -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlzulTAACgkQgItw+93Q 3WWaWQgAvd7BYKQdXujovZ4BBxhI9Y+IZaxvpbigbvM5YgI1hd/rpAw+Kv9v3M+8 1q1pslHCGL8krjmpglHQmYKe6UPwpuF45v+g/DqM7KT8I+OM4d8urt4b+xEJL0c4 r6VE5aftMYFgdXwdn44f/no08Fq3NWalInnDD/XQ+fTvv3if9LHGrp58ZDJEioqq XHS21gzxyI1dceD5CignXq7D2TV4xb5NsT8d5bB7Z2HqKshKWKROfJMTq249JsX3 CEEtwI5i6O5go4O0/ReTtaDEdI+F1zC3eJPsK7xOfeaV2reMG1VZdMm0jInDSvNh 0A6WuPqGXs3CkuqQY7BNvL3GB69r7A== =iJun -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed May 29 07:24:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E021120172 for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 07:24:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nPn0ZNx2Vevn for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 07:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-sh2.infomaniak.ch (smtp-sh2.infomaniak.ch [128.65.195.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFFC1120186 for ; Wed, 29 May 2019 07:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp6.infomaniak.ch (smtp6.infomaniak.ch [83.166.132.19]) by smtp-sh.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id x4TEOMLM030933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 29 May 2019 16:24:22 +0200 Received: from Castor (dynamic.wline.6rd.res.cust.swisscom.ch [IPv6:2a02:1205:c689:dae0:919c:552d:abc2:ff07] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp6.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id x4TEOLxe024544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 29 May 2019 16:24:21 +0200 Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 16:24:22 +0200 From: Reto Kromer To: cellar@ietf.org cc: Michael Richardson X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <4302.1559139632@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mailsmith 2.4.3 (480) X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Unix mail servers drweb plugin ver.6.0.2.8 X-Antivirus-Code: 0x100000 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] 2019-05-28 20:00UTC DRAFT agenda for virtual interim meeting X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 14:24:36 -0000 Michael Richardson wrote: >Would moving an hour earlier work? Yes, that would work fine for me. Best regards, Reto AV Preservation by reto.ch chemin du Suchet 5 | 1024 Ecublens | Switzerland Web: | Twitter: @retoch From nobody Thu May 30 05:43:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cellar@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2033A12006A for ; Thu, 30 May 2019 05:43:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=bunkus.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rZVUVszJi8s0 for ; Thu, 30 May 2019 05:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adara.bunkus.org (adara.bunkus.org [144.76.6.84]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E24561200F6 for ; Thu, 30 May 2019 05:43:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bunkus.org; s=mail2018100901; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:In-reply-to:Subject:Cc:To:From:References; bh=7KqroNhjYB6hf78NBe8csO+9uCtjBdtpLVaeQpux7Z8=; b=hCbAo9WciUF2QZj1Cp1CclpZotQwwS8KhpWrptKmKz/AqGikUIPoxifH7Aig7+ISB3WeSKMl0qCnysqkHo1kZnonG8xI8ir/oZ4ob9sey1x4s75Ys6FXpF/wtz+0lvlrQ74/DrDYtrChB2zqKRghi8GykgCTAMaFCqivdAwLoas=; Received: from liselle.bunkus.org ([2a01:4f8:190:8147::105:1]:54032) by adara.bunkus.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1hWKOb-0000TZ-1b for cellar@ietf.org; Thu, 30 May 2019 14:43:02 +0200 Received: from sweet-chili.local (unknown [10.55.5.2]) by liselle.bunkus.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7722B6540139 for ; Thu, 30 May 2019 14:42:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sweet-chili (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sweet-chili.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF0B4E6095 for ; Thu, 30 May 2019 14:42:55 +0200 (CEST) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090205.5CEFCFD6.0008, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 References: <4302.1559139632@localhost> User-agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 26.2 From: Moritz Bunkus To: cellar@ietf.org Cc: In-reply-to: <4302.1559139632@localhost> Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 14:42:55 +0200 Message-ID: <87woi8i04w.fsf@bunkus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] 2019-05-28 20:00UTC DRAFT agenda for virtual interim meeting X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 12:43:13 -0000 Hey, I haven't been to the last several meetings due to other commitments, but I plan on attending again. For me an hour earlier would be better, too. 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[209.95.51.11]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j10sm1750539qth.8.2019.05.30.14.48.03 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 30 May 2019 14:48:04 -0700 (PDT) To: cellar@ietf.org References: From: Andreas Rheinhardt Message-ID: <496e60d9-fb08-e855-344f-fb965c8baf6d@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 21:47:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cellar] How does Matroska signal sync/IDR frames? X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 22:07:58 -0000 Michael Bradshaw: > >From what I understand, Matroska signals keyframes either in the > SimpleBlock's header or in a BlockGroup (implicitly by the lack > of ReferenceBlock elements). > > However, the term "keyframe" isn't well defined. Are all keyframes IDR > frames? Or are non-IDR I-frames also considered keyframes? If so, is there > any way to distinguish which frames are IDR frames? > Matroska does not distinguish between sync samples and RAP samples (random access points). A keyframe in Matroska is therefore equivalent to the latter. I frames alone are not necessarily keyframes, as nothing guarantees that the frames following it can be correctly (or even approximatively correctly -- Matroska does not require the output of the frames after a seek to a RAP to be 100% the same as the output of the decoder when one starts decoding from an earlier keyframe/the beginning of the track) decoded: Frames following this I frame (both in decoding as well as in presentation order) may after all reference frames before the I frame. - Andreas PS: I already sent this email on 11.05.2019, but due to a change in my email address from @googlemail.com to @gmail.com it didn't reach the mailing list. Therefore I am resending this. 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X-BeenThere: cellar@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 17:40:58 -0000 --000000000000429356058a328424 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks, Andreas. First, to clarify, a RAP sample is to I-frames as a sync sample is to IDR-frames, right? I always get sync/RAP mixed, but for some reason I can remember I-frame vs IDR-frame. Here's my attempt at interpreting your reply and mapping it to the Matroska spec: - SimpleBlock with keyframe flag set to 0: Do not treat as a sync/IDR-frame. - SimpleBlock with keyframe flag set to 1: Treat as sync/IDR-frame? Or just as an I-frame (but not a sync-IDR-frame)? - BlockGroup with no ReferenceBlock elements: I-frame, but not necessarily a sync/IDR-frame. - BlockGroup with ReferenceBlock elements: Not an I-frame (and thus not a sync/IDR-frame). Sorry for the back-and-forth; I just want to make sure I get this right. --000000000000429356058a328424 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Andreas.

First, to clarify, a R= AP sample is to I-frames as a sync sample is to IDR-frames, right? I always= get sync/RAP mixed, but for some reason I can remember I-frame vs IDR-fram= e.

Here's my attempt at interpreting your reply and mapping it t= o the Matroska spec:
  • SimpleBlock with keyframe flag set to 0: Do= not treat as a sync/IDR-frame.
  • SimpleBlock with keyframe flag set = to 1: Treat as sync/IDR-frame? Or just as an I-frame (but not a sync-IDR-fr= ame)?
  • BlockGroup with no ReferenceBlock elements: I-frame, but not = necessarily a sync/IDR-frame.
  • BlockGroup with ReferenceBlock elemen= ts: Not an I-frame (and thus not a sync/IDR-frame).
Sorry for the = back-and-forth; I just want to make sure I get this right.
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