From terry.davis@ijetonboard.com Tue Nov 6 08:02:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cin@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cin@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75D021F8A25 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:02:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EszAxBrmMJAK for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBAD21F8A45 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail55-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.241) by VA3EHSOBE008.bigfish.com (10.7.40.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:02:13 +0000 Received: from mail55-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail55-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474C42600B6 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:02:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.232.53; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:BLUPRD0811HT003.namprd08.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -32 X-BigFish: VPS-32(z4c5Iz9371Ie6eL1102I542Mzz1de0h1202h1d1ah1d2ahzz1033IL172cfch17326ah8275bh8275dh18602ehz2fh2a8h668h839hd25hf0ah1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail55-va3: domain of ijetonboard.com designates 157.56.232.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.232.53; envelope-from=terry.davis@ijetonboard.com; helo=BLUPRD0811HT003.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ; .outlook.com ; Received: from mail55-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail55-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1352217730296175_28745; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.235]) by mail55-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C15A4E0048 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLUPRD0811HT003.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (157.56.232.53) by VA3EHSMHS015.bigfish.com (10.7.99.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:02:09 +0000 Received: from BLUPRD0811MB425.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.2.184]) by BLUPRD0811HT003.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.123.38]) with mapi id 14.16.0233.002; Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:02:09 +0000 From: Terry Davis To: "cin@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Gentle Reminder Thread-Index: Ac2PZd5BPWx60BQZTuOTa0bOTp+uVgsycAuQ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 16:02:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: <13205C286662DE4387D9AF3AC30EF456D7830D79E4@EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <13205C286662DE4387D9AF3AC30EF456D7830D79E4@EMBX01-WF.jnpr.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [63.133.204.34] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ijetonboard.com Subject: Re: [cin] Gentle Reminder X-BeenThere: cin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:02:15 -0000 All Apologies that we didn't get this setup for this meeting here in Atlanta; w= e plan to be ready for the spring meeting in Orlando. A couple of us have = begun to draft the problem statement and charter which we hope to post in t= he near future. For the aviation members of the group, we do have a working paper on aviati= on cyber security going to the ICAO Air Navigation Commission for presentat= ion at their session later this month. We seem to have broad support for i= t from the aviation community: regulatory bodies, standards bodies, and th= e major commercial entities. It is available on their website at: http://www.icao.int/Meetings/anconf12/WorkingPapers/Forms/AllItems.aspx = (Search the page for "cyber" to find our paper.) For those of you that didn't hear or see Panetta's warning on cyber war las= t month, I encourage you to read it: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/12/world/panetta-warns-of-dire-threat-of-cyb= erattack.html?pagewanted=3Dall&_r=3D0 If anything he may have understated the threats to critical infrastructure = around the globe; every nation faces this problem in today's world. We designed the Internet to be open and usable by everyone. It has worked = so well that our governments and commercial entities have also used it to s= upport the critical infrastructure systems that control besides on communic= ations; our power, our water, our food and medical distribution, hospitals,= vehicles, etc. And now within a few years, the communications to the airc= raft that you will be on flying to attend future IETF meetings. The problem is that we have not created the standards needed for these type= s of critical services to be placed on the Internet with truly enough secur= ity to allow them to be adequately defended from cyber-attacks. Or even to protect the Internet itself from some of the ways these groups m= ay use it. During the short life of Connexion by Boeing, we developed rout= ing techniques that allowed passengers to maintain their VPN's without drop= ping on trans-continental flights handing off between both different satell= ites and ground stations on different continents. This worked great for th= e passengers but with just a 150 aircraft in service; it created routing st= orms that were responsible for 20% of the churn in the global BGP tables. There are agreements in place to work on solutions to this problem between = the Internet community and the aviation community. Routing remains a core = concern. Aviation could use different routing protocols but all these come= with BGP re-distributors. Aviation could use only private networks or spe= cial routing techniques. The problem is that this is global service. Anyo= ne that has ever been involved with large global networks knows that "they = are always cross-linked somewhere", someone always violates the approved de= signs, re-distributed the wrong routing tree, etc. ICAO has 140+ independe= nt nation/states as members; 140+ independent operators of aviation communi= cations within their borders! With the current set of standards, can we s= afely integrated aviation's use of the Internet without risking disruption = to the Internet itself? I remain unconvinced. And for aviation and these critical infrastructure n= etworks that our lives and our families truly depend on, do we really inten= d to give them standards to operate with that are "naturally open" to anyon= e on the globe to try to communicate with? Look for more soon on the problem statement and charter. Take care Terry Davis, P.E. | Chief Scientist terry.davis@ijetonboard.com o. 206. 805. 6263 c. 425. 503. 5511 iJet Onboard | www.ijetonboard.com -----Original Message----- From: cin-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:cin-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ronal= d Bonica Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 8:07 AM To: cin@ietf.org Subject: [cin] Gentle Reminder Folks, Does this group still intend to hold a BoF at IETF 85? If so, the cut-off d= ate for a BoF request is September 24. Generally, a BoF request includes: - a proposed charter - a problem statement (which should be posted as an Internet Draft) The deadline for posting version-00 IDs is October 15. However, it would be= great if the problem statement were posted by September 24. -------------------------- Ron Bonica vcard: www.bonica.org/ron/ronbonica.vcf _______________________________________________ cin mailing list cin@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cin This message and its attachments are the property of iJet Technologies, Inc= . and are intended solely for the use of the designated recipient(s) and th= eir appointed delegates. This email may contain information that is confide= ntial. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from print= ing, copying, forwarding or saving any portion of the message or attachment= s. Please delete the message and attachments and notify the sender immediat= ely. Thank you for your cooperation.