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boundary="_004_DM6PR06MB6187C642FA40F25F8BB58C6082ED9DM6PR06MB6187namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nccgroup.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DM6PR06MB6187.namprd06.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 0e1705c8-c176-4491-ed6e-08da1cd826cb X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 12 Apr 2022 22:59:51.3884 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: a41111be-486b-45f6-8bd0-ee01a62f368e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: daDXswMD9SEiSC0dcZmHyD+VGG3avbOdidetYHhF1RXWyPT1DoJECtB9MqPZNEaElgLrLBYctEyFXwD+JC7j7tikeLEmovCYN/ojAiaCwG0= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN6PR06MB6333 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Crypto-panel] EXTERNAL: Fwd: review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09 X-BeenThere: crypto-panel@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 23:00:05 -0000 --_004_DM6PR06MB6187C642FA40F25F8BB58C6082ED9DM6PR06MB6187namp_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DM6PR06MB6187C642FA40F25F8BB58C6082ED9DM6PR06MB6187namp_" --_000_DM6PR06MB6187C642FA40F25F8BB58C6082ED9DM6PR06MB6187namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't exactly know where this should be sent, but in any case, I read thr= ough the draft. I attach my review to this email (as a plain ASCII text fil= e). Rough summary: I am unimpressed by the curve. The draft should not be publi= shed in its current state; it's way too much full of typos, errors, unsafe = suggestions, and unstructured ramblings (and voluntarily obfuscated pseudoc= ode!). I don't exactly see the point of this draft becoming an RFC either. Thomas From: Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 16:03 To: Thomas Pornin , crypto-panel@irtf.org Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y= 2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09 You don't often get email from rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org. Learn why this is im= portant Thanks very much Thomas. Any other takers? Should this go to the CFRG dir= ectly? Eliot On 23.03.22 20:42, Thomas Pornin wrote: I can have a look at this draft over the next couple of weeks. Thomas From: Crypto-panel on behalf of Independent Submissions Editor Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 06:17 To: crypto-panel@irtf.org Subject: EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3= -x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09 You don't often get email from rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org. Learn why this is important -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:04:00 +0100 From: Independent Submissions Editor To: crypto-panel@ietf.org, cfrg-chairs@ietf.org Dear crypto experts, The ISE requests the review of draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-0= 9. Given its nature it would be good to have more than one crypto expert t= ake a look. Has this been seen by the CFRG? Would it be reasonable to pass= this request there as well? Best regards, Eliot (ISE) --_000_DM6PR06MB6187C642FA40F25F8BB58C6082ED9DM6PR06MB6187namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't exactly know where this= should be sent, but in any case, I read through the draft. I attach my rev= iew to this email (as a plain ASCII text file).

Rough summary: I am unimpressed= by the curve. The draft should not be published in its current state; it's= way too much full of typos, errors, unsafe suggestions, and unstructured r= amblings (and voluntarily obfuscated pseudocode!). I don't exactly see the point of this draft becoming an RFC = either.

 

Thomas

 

From: Independent Submiss= ions Editor (Eliot Lear) <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>
Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 16:03
To: Thomas Pornin <thomas.pornin@nccgroup.com>, crypto-panel@i= rtf.org <crypto-panel@irtf.org>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: draft-brow= n-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09

You don't often get email from rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org. Learn why this is = important

Thanks very much Thomas.  Any other takers?  Should this go to= the CFRG directly?

Eliot

On 23.03.22 20:42, Thomas Pornin wrote:

I can have a look at this draft= over the next couple of weeks.

 

Thomas

 

From: Crypto-panel <crypto-panel-bounces@irtf.org> on behalf of Independent Submissi= ons Editor <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 06:17
To: crypto-panel@irtf.org <crypto-panel@irtf.org>
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: draft-brown-ec= -2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09

You don't often get email from = rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org. Learn why this is important

 



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Subjec= t:

review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-p= lus-5-09

Date: =

Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:04:00 +0100

From: =

Independent Submissions Editor <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>

To:

crypto-pane= l@ietf.org, cfrg-chairs@ietf.org=



Dear crypto experts,

The ISE requests the review of draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-0= 9.  Given its nature it would be good to have more than one crypto exp= ert take a look. Has this been seen by the CFRG?  Would it be reasonab= le to pass this request there as well?

Best regards,

Eliot (ISE)


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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.8.0 Content-Language: en-US To: Thomas Pornin , "crypto-panel@irtf.org" References: <4973fa12-e659-3951-b5a6-b92b091a5c44@rfc-editor.org> From: "Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear)" In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Crypto-panel] EXTERNAL: Fwd: review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09 X-BeenThere: crypto-panel@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 05:48:15 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------w508cg0wQsQ6Wt4E2L1FXU77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thomas, Thank you for taking the time to review the document in so much detail.   Also, thanks to Stephen as well for his views.  Thomas, may I share your comments (attributed or not, your choice) back to the author? Regards, Eliot (ISE) On 13.04.22 00:59, Thomas Pornin wrote: > > I don't exactly know where this should be sent, but in any case, I > read through the draft. I attach my review to this email (as a plain > ASCII text file). > > Rough summary: I am unimpressed by the curve. The draft should not be > published in its current state; it's way too much full of typos, > errors, unsafe suggestions, and unstructured ramblings (and > voluntarily obfuscated pseudocode!). I don't exactly see the point of > this draft becoming an RFC either. > > Thomas > > *From: *Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) > > *Date: *Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 16:03 > *To: *Thomas Pornin , > crypto-panel@irtf.org > *Subject: *Re: EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: > draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09 > > > > > You don't often get email from rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org. Learn why this > is important > > > > Thanks very much Thomas.  Any other takers?  Should this go to the > CFRG directly? > > Eliot > > On 23.03.22 20:42, Thomas Pornin wrote: > > I can have a look at this draft over the next couple of weeks. > > Thomas > > *From: *Crypto-panel > on behalf of Independent > Submissions Editor > > *Date: *Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 06:17 > *To: *crypto-panel@irtf.org > > *Subject: *EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: > draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09 > > > > > You don't often get email from rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org. 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Thomas,

Thank you for taking the time to review the document in so much detail.   Also, thanks to Stephen as well for his views.  Thomas, may I share your comments (attributed or not, your choice) back to the author?

Regards,

Eliot (ISE)

On 13.04.22 00:59, Thomas Pornin wrote:

I don't exactly know where this should be sent, but in any case, I read through the draft. I attach my review to this email (as a plain ASCII text file).

Rough summary: I am unimpressed by the curve. The draft should not be published in its current state; it's way too much full of typos, errors, unsafe suggestions, and unstructured ramblings (and voluntarily obfuscated pseudocode!). I don't exactly see the point of this draft becoming an RFC either.

 

Thomas

 

From: Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>
Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 16:03
To: Thomas Pornin <thomas.pornin@nccgroup.com>, crypto-panel@irtf.org <crypto-panel@irtf.org>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09

You don't often get email from rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org. Learn why this is important

Thanks very much Thomas.  Any other takers?  Should this go to the CFRG directly?

Eliot

On 23.03.22 20:42, Thomas Pornin wrote:

I can have a look at this draft over the next couple of weeks.

 

Thomas

 

From: Crypto-panel <crypto-panel-bounces@irtf.org> on behalf of Independent Submissions Editor <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 06:17
To: crypto-panel@irtf.org <crypto-panel@irtf.org>
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09

 



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09

Date:

Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:04:00 +0100

From:

Independent Submissions Editor <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>

To:

crypto-panel@ietf.org, cfrg-chairs@ietf.org



Dear crypto experts,

The ISE requests the review of draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09.  Given its nature it would be good to have more than one crypto expert take a look. Has this been seen by the CFRG?  Would it be reasonable to pass this request there as well?

Best regards,

Eliot (ISE)


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, no problem, everything here was written under the assumption that it w= as public (or close enough). Thomas From: Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 01:48 To: Thomas Pornin , crypto-panel@irtf.org Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y= 2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09 Thomas, Thank you for taking the time to review the document in so much detail. A= lso, thanks to Stephen as well for his views. Thomas, may I share your com= ments (attributed or not, your choice) back to the author? Regards, Eliot (ISE) On 13.04.22 00:59, Thomas Pornin wrote: I don't exactly know where this should be sent, but in any case, I read thr= ough the draft. I attach my review to this email (as a plain ASCII text fil= e). Rough summary: I am unimpressed by the curve. The draft should not be publi= shed in its current state; it's way too much full of typos, errors, unsafe = suggestions, and unstructured ramblings (and voluntarily obfuscated pseudoc= ode!). I don't exactly see the point of this draft becoming an RFC either. Thomas From: Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) <= mailto:rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 16:03 To: Thomas Pornin , crypto-panel@irtf.org Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y= 2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09 You don't often get email from rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org. Learn why this is important Thanks very much Thomas. Any other takers? Should this go to the CFRG dir= ectly? Eliot On 23.03.22 20:42, Thomas Pornin wrote: I can have a look at this draft over the next couple of weeks. Thomas From: Crypto-panel on behalf of Independent Submissions Editor Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 06:17 To: crypto-panel@irtf.org Subject: EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3= -x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09 You don't often get email from rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org. Learn why this is important -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:04:00 +0100 From: Independent Submissions Editor To: crypto-panel@ietf.org, cfrg-chairs@ietf.org Dear crypto experts, The ISE requests the review of draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-0= 9. Given its nature it would be good to have more than one crypto expert t= ake a look. Has this been seen by the CFRG? Would it be reasonable to pass= this request there as well? Best regards, Eliot (ISE) --_000_DM6PR06MB61876876B7C0083EF9135AC382EC9DM6PR06MB6187namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, no problem, everything her= e was written under the assumption that it was public (or close enough).

 

Thomas

 

From: Independent Submiss= ions Editor (Eliot Lear) <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>
Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 01:48
To: Thomas Pornin <thomas.pornin@nccgroup.com>, crypto-panel@i= rtf.org <crypto-panel@irtf.org>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: draft-brow= n-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09

Thomas,

Thank you for taking the time to review the document in so much detail.&= nbsp;  Also, thanks to Stephen as well for his views.  Thomas, ma= y I share your comments (attributed or not, your choice) back to the author= ?

Regards,

Eliot (ISE)

On 13.04.22 00:59, Thomas Pornin wrote:

I don't exactly know where this= should be sent, but in any case, I read through the draft. I attach my rev= iew to this email (as a plain ASCII text file).

Rough summary: I am unimpressed= by the curve. The draft should not be published in its current state; it's= way too much full of typos, errors, unsafe suggestions, and unstructured r= amblings (and voluntarily obfuscated pseudocode!). I don't exactly see the point of this draft becoming an RFC = either.

 

Thomas

 

From: Independent Submiss= ions Editor (Eliot Lear) <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>
Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 16:03
To: Thomas Pornin <= thomas.pornin@nccgroup.com>, crypto-panel@irtf.org <crypto-panel@irtf.org>
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: draft-brow= n-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09

You don't often get email from = rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org. Learn why this is important

Thanks very much Thomas.  Any other takers?  Should this go to= the CFRG directly?

Eliot

On 23.03.22 20:42, Thomas Pornin wrote:

I can have a look at this draft= over the next couple of weeks.

 

Thomas

 

From: Crypto-panel <crypto-panel-bounces@irtf.org> on behalf of Independent Submissi= ons Editor <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 06:17
To: crypto-panel@irtf.org <crypto-panel@irtf.org>
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Crypto-panel] Fwd: review needed: draft-brown-ec= -2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-09

You don't often get email from = rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org. Learn why this is important

 



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review needed: draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-p= lus-5-09

Date: =

Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:04:00 +0100

From: =

Independent Submissions Editor <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>

To:

crypto-pane= l@ietf.org, cfrg-chairs@ietf.org=



Dear crypto experts,

The ISE requests the review of draft-brown-ec-2y2-x3-x-mod-8-to-91-plus-5-0= 9.  Given its nature it would be good to have more than one crypto exp= ert take a look. Has this been seen by the CFRG?  Would it be reasonab= le to pass this request there as well?

Best regards,

Eliot (ISE)



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