From enrico.marocco@telecomitalia.it Fri Apr 6 03:19:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8653121F858E for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 03:19:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zzq-s2dHsTEN for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 03:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GRFEDG702BA020.telecomitalia.it (grfedg702ba020.telecomitalia.it [156.54.233.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8748821F8582 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 03:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GRFHUB701BA020.griffon.local (10.188.101.111) by GRFEDG702BA020.telecomitalia.it (10.188.45.101) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:19:29 +0200 Received: from MacLab.local (10.229.8.74) by smtp.telecomitalia.it (10.188.101.114) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.254.0; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:19:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4F7EC3BF.1060801@telecomitalia.it> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:21:51 +0200 From: Enrico Marocco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "cuss@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060905070008000206040906" X-TI-Disclaimer: Disclaimer1 Subject: [cuss] Draft notes posted X-BeenThere: cuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Call Control UUI for SIP \(cuss\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:19:33 -0000 --------------ms060905070008000206040906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, the draft notes of last week's meeting have been posted: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/minutes/minutes-83-cuss.html They have not been checked against the audio recording of the session (not yet available at the time of writing), so please check them carefully and feel free to suggest any changes. 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User-to-User Call Control Information in SIP X-BeenThere: cuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Call Control UUI for SIP \(cuss\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 21:25:53 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6567 Title: Problem Statement and Requirements for Transporting User-to-User Call Control Information in SIP Author: A. Johnston, L. Liess Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: April 2012 Mailbox: alan.b.johnston@gmail.com, laura.liess.dt@gmail.com Pages: 11 Characters: 25981 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-reqs-09.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6567.txt This document introduces the transport of call control User-to-User Information (UUI) using the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and develops several requirements for a new SIP mechanism. Some SIP sessions are established by or related to a non-SIP application. This application may have information that needs to be transported between the SIP User Agents during session establishment. In addition to interworking with the Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) UUI Service, this extension will also be used for native SIP endpoints requiring application UUI. This document is not an Internet Standards Track specification; it is published for informational purposes. This document is a product of the Call Control UUI Service for SIP Working Group of the IETF. INFORMATIONAL: This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. To subscribe or unsubscribe, see http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce http://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist For searching the RFC series, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcsearch.html. For downloading RFCs, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html. Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the author of the RFC in question, or to rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org. Unless specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for unlimited distribution. The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From alan.b.johnston@gmail.com Fri Apr 13 09:18:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBB821F8805 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:18:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i4zANNdfGDRu for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com (mail-gy0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F4E21F8804 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ghbg16 with SMTP id g16so1953476ghb.31 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:18:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=AUVuF2o8i2uMHwNtzNBCRn9J4iBRjTC6orFXzWosEGs=; b=0pRSgrehnEbGDmqTWQBhOZtWeHH6qRrCwH7+699HjMihdKgkMb16ufhIsv21l0ROFS fELHnXz4SowvmWe5QZ+HgVImLmb/HgHPZNYX9tdlToJaNiE4v0Xx/pn0H0DYL+hCs8uA vPmATxS7uC0sDuhSHsv4LGBHELTFd2DNN3gbn8qbx8y5MjjnNUmQEKld6tufAYXeDIuZ Bti7foH7/T2dsGY7h7jkINUm78Cum8qoMhpwkaNKTbRQXWFmScsVeuqz1BLAENtLiA4F CVcMpbHN5l4iTdCJIEE+qWUzL4IgkA65OazHX+r1j0Kv3x8vy1Gkh6aBsjryTKhwyvht vs4Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.0.196 with SMTP id 4mr3015162oeg.0.1334333916918; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.144.70 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:18:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: Alan Johnston To: cuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [cuss] Change of "package" to "purpose" in Mechanism X-BeenThere: cuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Call Control UUI for SIP \(cuss\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:18:41 -0000 At IETF-83, we had discussion about the syntax of the package parameter, currently called "package" in draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-05. In order to accommodate some existing implementations that use the "purpose" parameter from draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-00, the consensus of the room was to change the syntax name of the parameter back to "purpose", but to retain all the current text and semantics about UUI packages. As a result, the change to the draft would just be changing from: pkg-param = "package" EQUAL token to: pkg-param = "purpose" EQUAL token in the ABNF. We would also include an explanation for why this is the case. If there are any objections to this, please respond immediately to the list as the authors plan to revise the draft with this change in a few days. - Alan - From alan.b.johnston@gmail.com Fri Apr 13 10:23:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7889C21F8587 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2hYvUV9u-ddv for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF6821F8469 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ggmi1 with SMTP id i1so2008685ggm.31 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:23:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0Ak+0D2S9IHpc5BE7HETYbbyH1d++EraS3+nbfBwiI4=; b=mFAvgRijR1i3toWyq0UUiGaFBKIBqmDPy/haqTvmkFTxeJBbuEwX79DWU0Ro30WlY1 EjaIWbbK8MO6YLXqQgjb/NUdBA5ZUJ33pj5lIk+R+H7cAr5PAcLmb8QA13yJcUrgjyfQ f69T+t50TgSbN+b/HxnN6VTO9ZhMi3QpzUQ73X+y8WjiuA2kTEz3pVZ+PAMO2d76XK+r YBXqLwb16ep3JCRzeTPfWAbAHhL1rn565ip1+prrzArfcklAQe3aZbIZFSy8WAlGtsGg WSCQ01duLGJY33j2CQnJ5X6osVV6WXmi1k5eA3Imepb8872x7smtcxoVNB9KoY5bTxxC uYCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.18.163 with SMTP id x3mr3146164oed.64.1334337837393; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.144.70 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:23:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: Alan Johnston To: cuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [cuss] Extensibility of Packages X-BeenThere: cuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Call Control UUI for SIP \(cuss\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:23:58 -0000 At IETF-83, there was discussion about how to handle extensions to existing packages. In particular, the concern was raised that if a new content or encoding is defined for an existing package, this could cause UUI failures to result. The proposed solution was to not allow new content or encodings to be defined for existing packages. Instead, a new package would be defined which would support the new content or encoding. Here is some proposed new text. The current text in draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-05 says: OLD: New "package" values MUST describe the new application which is utilizing the UUI data and provide some use case examples. The default "content" value and other allowed contents MUST be defined or referenced in another document for the package. We propose the text say: NEW: New "purpose" values MUST describe the new application which is utilizing the UUI data and provide some use case examples. The default "content" value and "encoding" value MUST be defined or referenced in another document for the package. Additional allowed content and encodings MAY also be defined or referenced. OLD: New "encoding" values MUST reference a common encoding scheme or define the exact new encoding scheme. NEW: New "encoding" values MUST reference a common encoding scheme or define the exact new encoding scheme. A previously defined UUI encoding value can be used in a new package. In this case, the usage of the encoding is defined by that package. New UUI encodings cannot be added to existing packages - instead, a new package would need to be defined. OLD: New "content" values MUST describe the content of the UUI data and give some example use cases. The default "encoding" and other allowed encoding methods must be defined for this new content. Note that a content value can be used by multiple UUI packages. In this case, the semantics and usage of the content is defined by the package. NEW: New "content" values MUST describe the content of the UUI data and give some example use cases. A previously defined UUI content value can be used in a new package. In this case, the semantics and usage of the content is defined by that package. New UUI content types cannot be added to existing packages - instead, a new package would need to be defined. We would like to revise the draft in the next few days, so please send any suggestions or corrections to the this proposed text to the list as soon as possible. - Alan - From keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com Fri Apr 13 17:29:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1375111E8106 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:29:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.784 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.784 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.465, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B5k+m2Ojf+UU for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (smail2.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B60211E8105 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.61]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id q3E0TJRx005480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:29:19 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.44]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.61]) with mapi; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:29:19 +0200 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: Alan Johnston , "cuss@ietf.org" Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:29:17 +0200 Thread-Topic: [cuss] Extensibility of Packages Thread-Index: Ac0ZmkJ6sYJYkCX3R/yfzOPKyvt20QAOup0g Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.80 Subject: Re: [cuss] Extensibility of Packages X-BeenThere: cuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Call Control UUI for SIP \(cuss\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:29:22 -0000 The text is fine, however, I cannot remember which section these appear in, but I would like to either= put them, or repeat them, in a new section labeled "extensibility" or some= such. I'd also like to capture that extension can either be by defining a new rep= lacement package, or by using the old one and a new one together. In the la= tter case, old implementations would default to using only the old package = and could also indicate that using the feature tags. Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: cuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:cuss-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Alan Johnston > Sent: 13 April 2012 18:24 > To: cuss@ietf.org > Subject: [cuss] Extensibility of Packages >=20 > At IETF-83, there was discussion about how to handle extensions to > existing packages. >=20 > In particular, the concern was raised that if a new content or > encoding is defined for an existing package, this could cause UUI > failures to result. >=20 > The proposed solution was to not allow new content or encodings to be > defined for existing packages. Instead, a new package would be > defined which would support the new content or encoding. >=20 > Here is some proposed new text. >=20 > The current text in draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-05 says: >=20 > OLD: >=20 > New "package" values MUST describe the new application which is > utilizing the UUI data and provide some use case examples. The > default "content" value and other allowed contents MUST be defined or > referenced in another document for the package. >=20 > We propose the text say: >=20 > NEW: >=20 > New "purpose" values MUST describe the new application which is > utilizing the UUI data and provide some use case examples. The > default "content" value and "encoding" value MUST be defined or > referenced in another document for the package. Additional allowed > content and encodings MAY also be defined or referenced. >=20 > OLD: >=20 > New "encoding" values MUST reference a common encoding scheme or > define the exact new encoding scheme. >=20 > NEW: >=20 > New "encoding" values MUST reference a common encoding scheme or > define the exact new encoding scheme. A previously defined UUI > encoding value can be used in a new package. In this case, the usage > of the encoding is defined by that package. New UUI encodings cannot > be added to existing packages - instead, a new package would need to > be defined. >=20 > OLD: >=20 > New "content" values MUST describe the content of the UUI data and > give some example use cases. The default "encoding" and other allowed > encoding methods must be defined for this new content. Note that a > content value can be used by multiple UUI packages. In this case, the > semantics and usage of the content is defined by the package. >=20 > NEW: >=20 > New "content" values MUST describe the content of the UUI data and > give some example use cases. A previously defined UUI content value > can be used in a new package. In this case, the semantics and usage > of the content is defined by that package. New UUI content types > cannot be added to existing packages - instead, a new package would > need to be defined. >=20 > We would like to revise the draft in the next few days, so please send > any suggestions or corrections to the this proposed text to the list > as soon as possible. >=20 > - Alan - > _______________________________________________ > cuss mailing list > cuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cuss From keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com Fri Apr 13 17:33:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B0821F8587 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:33:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.939 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.939 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.310, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 939o45sUbpnr for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (smail2.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD45421F8582 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.62]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id q3E0Wxic005774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:33:00 +0200 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.44]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.62]) with mapi; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:32:59 +0200 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: Alan Johnston , "cuss@ietf.org" Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:32:58 +0200 Thread-Topic: [cuss] Change of "package" to "purpose" in Mechanism Thread-Index: Ac0ZkSBZ4Pf/n3sNQU2RIhhrdeHjTwARMmUg Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.80 Subject: Re: [cuss] Change of "package" to "purpose" in Mechanism X-BeenThere: cuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Call Control UUI for SIP \(cuss\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:33:04 -0000 This is the change that also has impact on the uui-isdn package document. A= ssuming there are no objections I'll also make the obvious changes to this = document. Note this is only the change of the name of the header field para= meter where it is used in the document, otherwise usages of the term "packa= ge" remain. Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: cuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:cuss-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Alan Johnston > Sent: 13 April 2012 17:19 > To: cuss@ietf.org > Subject: [cuss] Change of "package" to "purpose" in Mechanism >=20 > At IETF-83, we had discussion about the syntax of the package > parameter, currently called "package" in draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-05. >=20 > In order to accommodate some existing implementations that use the > "purpose" parameter from draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-00, the consensus of > the room was to change the syntax name of the parameter back to > "purpose", but to retain all the current text and semantics about UUI > packages. As a result, the change to the draft would just be > changing from: >=20 > pkg-param =3D "package" EQUAL token >=20 > to: >=20 > pkg-param =3D "purpose" EQUAL token >=20 > in the ABNF. We would also include an explanation for why this is the > case. >=20 > If there are any objections to this, please respond immediately to the > list as the authors plan to revise the draft with this change in a few > days. >=20 > - Alan - > _______________________________________________ > cuss mailing list > cuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cuss From laura.liess.dt@googlemail.com Tue Apr 17 02:55:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9710921F856A for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:55:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gyb0DUZY0GXw for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-f44.google.com (mail-wg0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D909621F8551 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wgbdr13 with SMTP id dr13so4194296wgb.13 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:55:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=35pYYgiznXNizHIK0+c07pU4phHef04NRWjAXP4sU88=; b=oU/T/868RBKpuyhOrRDjxhRA7C8bklDplXAPJYjuYXo6XsuKliw58pL3IqYov1LMgJ RIXqVyHBdHPxadEyRNkB77cBUm2B9b17LlvOwB1wBUgHFbCnjiQhX+Rk2NWRDLTWqdhR 7ULprye3Hv0wRZXzX13RL2TulfGyfgvuNK1IhCG3A1hc5pHY28ZXvflb92erBqMCgEHf hOYnautEWFkoCwoKr8UFClIPzmAnplNUMkLf2ZAwDB/P9vE5apliR2wrxWh8SlajAXvd ft/0WLInwdBCjsiFSQPZZtdQIBZt+gLHUz9VuMa874QfdCLYL++bjyw8OEDGTYObVBAz IIJw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.136.157 with SMTP id w29mr9099501wei.23.1334656508034; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.205.195 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:55:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:55:08 +0200 Message-ID: From: Laura Liess To: Alan Johnston , cuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d63eba0eff2904bddcef95 Subject: Re: [cuss] Change of "package" to "purpose" in Mechanism X-BeenThere: cuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Call Control UUI for SIP \(cuss\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:55:13 -0000 --0016e6d63eba0eff2904bddcef95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Alan, We (deutsche Telekom) agree to either "purpose" or "package", if the final decision is taken within the next days. Our current implementation order to the our vendor requires "package", but we still can change this within the next few days. After that we have to pay a lot for the change. Thanks a lot Laura 2012/4/13 Alan Johnston > At IETF-83, we had discussion about the syntax of the package > parameter, currently called "package" in draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-05. > > In order to accommodate some existing implementations that use the > "purpose" parameter from draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-00, the consensus of > the room was to change the syntax name of the parameter back to > "purpose", but to retain all the current text and semantics about UUI > packages. As a result, the change to the draft would just be > changing from: > > pkg-param = "package" EQUAL token > > to: > > pkg-param = "purpose" EQUAL token > > in the ABNF. We would also include an explanation for why this is the > case. > > If there are any objections to this, please respond immediately to the > list as the authors plan to revise the draft with this change in a few > days. > > - Alan - > _______________________________________________ > cuss mailing list > cuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cuss > --0016e6d63eba0eff2904bddcef95 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alan,

We (deutsche Telekom) agree to either "purpose" o= r "package", if the final decision is taken within the next days.= Our current implementation order to the our vendor requires "package&= quot;, but we still can change this within the next few days. After that we= have to pay a lot for the change.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Thanks a lot
Laura
=C2=A0

2012= /4/13 Alan Johnston <alan.b.johnston@gmail.com>
At IETF-83, we had discussion about the syntax of the package
parameter, currently called "package" in draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-= 05.

In order to accommodate some existing implementations that use the
"purpose" parameter from draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-00, the consensu= s of
the room was to change the syntax name of the parameter back to
"purpose", but to retain all the current text and semantics about= UUI
packages. =C2=A0 As a result, the change to the draft would just be
changing from:

pkg-param =C2=A0 =3D "package" EQUAL token

to:

pkg-param =C2=A0 =3D "purpose" EQUAL token

in the ABNF. =C2=A0We would also include an explanation for why this is the= case.

If there are any objections to this, please respond immediately to the
list as the authors plan to revise the draft with this change in a few
days.

- Alan -
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Are we waiting for a formal = GO/NOGO from the WG Chairs or can silence by taken as confirmation of the WG meeting = consensus?

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CD21FB.D6979C7B-- From vkg@bell-labs.com Tue Apr 24 06:17:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488D321F87C1 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:17:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dOTdqV8+o58g for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com (ihemail2.lucent.com [135.245.0.35]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F47C21F87BD for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 06:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.11]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id q3ODHLSU007702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:17:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from umail.lucent.com (umail-ce2.ndc.lucent.com [135.3.40.63]) by usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id q3ODHKDB027807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:17:21 -0500 Received: from shoonya.ih.lucent.com (vkg.lra.lucent.com [135.244.26.172]) by umail.lucent.com (8.13.8/TPES) with ESMTP id q3ODHJEE012741; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:17:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4F96A910.4000305@bell-labs.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:22:24 -0500 From: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Organization: Bell Laboratories, Alcatel-Lucent User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120329 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bruno.chatras@orange.com References: <9ECCF01B52E7AB408A7EB853526421410405A0F6@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> In-Reply-To: <9ECCF01B52E7AB408A7EB853526421410405A0F6@ftrdmel0.rd.francetelecom.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.35 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.11 Cc: cuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [cuss] Change of "package" to "purpose" in Mechanism, X-BeenThere: cuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "Call Control UUI for SIP \(cuss\) working group discussion list" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:17:23 -0000 On 04/24/2012 04:22 AM, bruno.chatras@orange.com wrote: > Are we waiting for a formal GO/NOGO from the WG Chairs or can silence by > taken as confirmation of the WG meeting consensus? Bruno: Enrico and I are not gating this behaviour, so please do not wait for a GO/NOGO from the chairs. However, if it helps to establish a consensus deadline to get this moving, we can do so (please see below). The list discussion on this between April 13 to April 24 seem to indicate that changing the name to "purpose" should be fine. If anyone is vehemently opposed, please do speak up by the end of this week (April 27, 2012). The resulting discussion should provide the authors an authoritative way forward. Thanks, - vijay -- Vijay K. Gurbani, Bell Laboratories, Alcatel-Lucent 1960 Lucent Lane, Rm. 9C-533, Naperville, Illinois 60563 (USA) Email: vkg@{bell-labs.com,acm.org} / vijay.gurbani@alcatel-lucent.com Web: http://ect.bell-labs.com/who/vkg/