From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Wed Jan 5 06:32:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520E43A6BAF for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 06:32:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.529 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.529 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.290, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, SARE_SUB_OBFU_Q1=0.227, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MHM2J4BMrViK for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 06:32:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (Hoffman.Proper.COM [207.182.41.81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FAD3A6A0C for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 06:32:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from MacBook-08.local (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p05EYwdi020838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2011 07:34:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Message-ID: <4D248192.9060904@vpnc.org> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 06:34:58 -0800 From: Paul Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [datatracker-rqmts] Draft -03 posted X-BeenThere: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:32:53 -0000 Just a post-holiday nudge on this... On 12/20/10 8:39 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > As promised, I have turned in the -03 of the draft,. The diffs are large, but here is the summary: > > Made the number of lists per person from "many" to "one". This was > done throughout the document, but is particularly apparent in 2.1.2. > > Resolved the "private or anonymous" question by making lists private, > based on ownership of a Datatracker account. This primarily affects > 2.1.3, which now also covers the requirement that private lists also > have a public read-only component. This change assumes that private > lists are a requirement. > > Talked more about role-based lists, particularly in 2.1.4, making all > those lists publicly-readable. > > Got rid of the requirement that lists can dynamically include other > lists, making 2.1.7 a tombstone. Also modified 2.2.3 and 2.3.2 > because of this change. > > Added two new open issues ("all drafts referenced by another list" > and "liaison statements stream"). > > If everyone (or most everyone) is comfortable with those changes, we can move on to other big issues. Otherwise, let's get the number-of-lists and lists-within-lists issues settled first. From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Tue Jan 18 11:04:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300C63A705C for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:04:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.725 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.725 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.321, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vw1UsiEvxLl5 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (Hoffman.Proper.COM [207.182.41.81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BEF3A7030 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from MacBook-08.local (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p0IJ7RPP053232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:07:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Message-ID: <4D35E4EE.4060904@vpnc.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:07:26 -0800 From: Paul Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [datatracker-rqmts] Draft -04 posted X-BeenThere: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:04:51 -0000 Greetings again. There has been nearly no comment on -03, so I decided to do some cleanup. The two messages following this one requests input on two major issues to be dealt with. However, please look at -03 and the diffs. ----- A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the General Area Open Meeting Working Group of the IETF. Title : Requirements for Draft Tracking by the IETF Community in the Datatracker Author(s) : P. Hoffman Filename : draft-ietf-genarea-datatracker-community-04.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2011-01-17 The document gives a set of requirements for extending the IETF Datatracker to give individual IETF community members, including the IETF leadership, easy methods for tracking the progress of the Internet Drafts of interest to them. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-genarea-datatracker-community-04.txt ----- From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Tue Jan 18 11:04:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19ED3A706C for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:04:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.726 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.726 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.320, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rk6yrnDxQDdr for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (Hoffman.Proper.COM [207.182.41.81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B991F3A7069 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from MacBook-08.local (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p0IJ7XxF053244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:07:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Message-ID: <4D35E4F4.2030603@vpnc.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:07:32 -0800 From: Paul Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [datatracker-rqmts] Tracking things other than drafts in lists X-BeenThere: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:04:56 -0000 Greetings again. At the meeting in Beijing, many people in the room expressed interest in being able to track things other than just drafts. However, there was also a desire to keep the first round of this work simple. I would like to address those two now and see what folks on this list think should be done. Appendix A of the current draft lists the five non-draft things that I have heard requests to track: Tracking RFC Status Changes and Errata Tracking WG Charter Changes Tracking IANA Registry Changes Tracking Changes in the Liason Statement Directory Tracking Changes in Documents Outside the IETF Sphere We can add as many or as few of them as we want to the first round of the tool. I propose the following choices for the first round, although feel free to add your own: a) None of the above: just track drafts b) Add just "RFC Status Changes and Errata" c) Add them all In my mind, the logic behind (a) is "keep it as simple as possible", the logic behind (b) is "most IETFers care about RFC status and errata in their development work and their WG work", and the logic behind (c) is "this is all easy to do and people won't get confused if they have too many choices". You might have other reasons for preferring one over the others, or wanting some combination other than what is listed above. Comments are welcome. From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Tue Jan 18 11:05:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A610B3A705C for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:05:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.427 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.427 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.981, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uS+aCH7Iso2f for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (Hoffman.Proper.COM [207.182.41.81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54E23A7030 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:05:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from MacBook-08.local (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p0IJ7egu053262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:07:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Message-ID: <4D35E4FB.2090503@vpnc.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:07:39 -0800 From: Paul Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [datatracker-rqmts] Moving things to "do later" X-BeenThere: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:05:06 -0000 Greetings again. In the -04 draft, I pulled many things out of the "open issues" list and put them into a different appendix that says that they are ideas for later. I did this both so we don't loose the ideas now (even if we choose not to implement them) and to acknowledge the feeling from some people that we should start small. Please let me know if I did this wrong, such as if any of the things in that new appendix really should be in the first round. From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Jan 18 20:42:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855FC3A6F52 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:42:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.654 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.096, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_SUB_OBFU_Q1=0.227, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8uXnpIfioiZY for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com (mail-iw0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C79028C100 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by iwn40 with SMTP id 40so417057iwn.31 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:45:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bsd8llrn/yjHvdGz5N1m2iVXBwO+UA297PY4mf88coo=; b=a8DJlSAiOWikQEF7s0AvXjjHc0L4+M4PrYT6xj2scrOAYf4qGo9E5bfPey1/NH+HOK 1xWfcE7pazt0amvj9NkNnb8DF0y6bIIyrcrXWJ+QcGYEHZx+TGffMhChZuZyy+d+ny8v vurhWQPJggOu0S7+u2W26AjJOWPOkDwVAurR8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=aRWivNEjEuVcYP5IKCDVKmx94B9f2K5nMV2P7h3CHxTOcnS3JNAu9X3k01Z0k4prj2 5m067fnV8RysVgkqNYIvEf/J8soJnGclbovcRajI7jq86/KOi7uBiaKLMqXllPwKv0uK 8QVjW3a8lXhV7VYISbgzAF7F3TqmwwA5N3N6c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.180.194 with SMTP id bv2mr235742icb.152.1295412301646; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:45:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.42.227.193 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:45:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D35E4F4.2030603@vpnc.org> References: <4D35E4F4.2030603@vpnc.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:45:01 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 13e-dDKncAEkQTKXPWfZiMgzYVI Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org Subject: Re: [datatracker-rqmts] Tracking things other than drafts in lists X-BeenThere: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 04:42:23 -0000 I'll review the draft as soon as I can, but just to answer this question for now: > Appendix A of the current draft lists the five non-draft things that I ha= ve > heard requests to track: > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Tracking RFC Status Changes and Errata > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Tracking WG Charter Changes > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Tracking IANA Registry Changes > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Tracking Changes in the Liason Statement Directory > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Tracking Changes in Documents Outside the IETF Sphere > We can add as many or as few of them as we want to the first round of the > tool. I support... > b) Add just "RFC Status Changes and Errata" My reasoning is that this should be part of tracking a document from beginning to end. You watch it as a draft, you continue watching as it becomes an RFC, you see errata being posted, etc. Also, what that says to me is that if I'm watching draft-furbie-feedme-please, and that becomes RFC 6666, I should be watching that, as well, without having to do it manually. (Or perhaps that should be an option when I start following it -- to specify whether I want to keep following it as it's replaced by draft-ietf-feedme-base-protocol and then by RFC 6666.) Barry From blaker@gmail.com Tue Jan 18 21:56:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BC43A6DA2 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:56:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.985 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.985 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.387, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_SUB_OBFU_Q1=0.227, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yn7zLgiplbFD for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408553A6C42 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so503943wyf.31 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:59:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bL0fneT074nmA7MXHd1JqJoZpLmhXAa0bzOIo11P6AA=; b=RZge9DoanSdCG/S5m98Bps+6YgW8CAhy+QLY6Vd+CT/ndWa41vW3oB9V+cZBLzaFN8 I0Yk6K2nQNyJxNLZjXBSaiWk9aLBya7185zW7w6TSIOs+1yHWMv1NY7tGdx0xlNmfUKA 8ImDLZAazqCRQTmC/nDBPeqGBowHYvp/Kdiew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ftbKC1xYeXEHreGjD7C3mVq2Pr5yca8fMzjlXChGYHQhxhhNtSvhOZov/HNMEd6ZiL rqqq8bf8+YtIu92K2YPfEeib7X5gc6RbVDjTcyz1Bv8TkewjmiAGwhzmgmPyVmzlefT3 5VX7su98oyi9z50mu70a4CsP6h5i0KvhGMsBM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.81 with SMTP id j59mr251633wea.39.1295416764881; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.2.8 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:59:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D35E4F4.2030603@vpnc.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:59:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: Blake Ramsdell To: Barry Leiba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org, Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [datatracker-rqmts] Tracking things other than drafts in lists X-BeenThere: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 05:56:47 -0000 On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Barry Leiba wrot= e: > My reasoning is that this should be part of tracking a document from > beginning to end. =A0You watch it as a draft, you continue watching as > it becomes an RFC, you see errata being posted, etc. > > Also, what that says to me is that if I'm watching > draft-furbie-feedme-please, and that becomes RFC 6666, I should be > watching that, as well, without having to do it manually. =A0(Or perhaps > that should be an option when I start following it -- to specify > whether I want to keep following it as it's replaced by > draft-ietf-feedme-base-protocol and then by RFC 6666.) I agree with Barry. I have implemented a protocol defined by an RFC. I want to know anything that might affect my implementation. I was not aware of errata for RFCs before I became a WG chair. I imagine many other implementors are in the same boat. Blake From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Thu Jan 20 10:21:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092923A704B for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:21:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.204, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, SARE_SUB_OBFU_Q1=0.227, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jnQj3Fg4um6a for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (Hoffman.Proper.COM [207.182.41.81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BED63A702F for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from MacBook-08.local (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p0KIOSYk066388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:24:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Message-ID: <4D387DDC.1060207@vpnc.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:24:28 -0800 From: Paul Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org References: <4D35E4F4.2030603@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <4D35E4F4.2030603@vpnc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [datatracker-rqmts] Tracking things other than drafts in lists X-BeenThere: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:21:47 -0000 Thank you to Barry and Blake for responding. Other folks are strongly encouraged to do the same! :-) On 1/18/11 11:07 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Greetings again. At the meeting in Beijing, many people in the room > expressed interest in being able to track things other than just drafts. > However, there was also a desire to keep the first round of this work > simple. I would like to address those two now and see what folks on this > list think should be done. > > Appendix A of the current draft lists the five non-draft things that I > have heard requests to track: > Tracking RFC Status Changes and Errata > Tracking WG Charter Changes > Tracking IANA Registry Changes > Tracking Changes in the Liason Statement Directory > Tracking Changes in Documents Outside the IETF Sphere > We can add as many or as few of them as we want to the first round of > the tool. > > I propose the following choices for the first round, although feel free > to add your own: > > a) None of the above: just track drafts > > b) Add just "RFC Status Changes and Errata" > > c) Add them all > > In my mind, the logic behind (a) is "keep it as simple as possible", the > logic behind (b) is "most IETFers care about RFC status and errata in > their development work and their WG work", and the logic behind (c) is > "this is all easy to do and people won't get confused if they have too > many choices". You might have other reasons for preferring one over the > others, or wanting some combination other than what is listed above. > > Comments are welcome. > _______________________________________________ > datatracker-rqmts mailing list > datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/datatracker-rqmts > > > From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Sat Jan 29 12:42:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: datatracker-rqmts@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1D33A6826 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:42:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.748 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.748 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.298, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bIPKg1w0t9Gl for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (Hoffman.Proper.COM [207.182.41.81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFF13A686D for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from MacBook-08.local (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p0TKjfUY079548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:45:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Message-ID: <4D447C75.60304@vpnc.org> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 12:45:41 -0800 From: Paul Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [datatracker-rqmts] draft-ietf-genarea-datatracker-community-05, now with RFCs built in. X-BeenThere: datatracker-rqmts@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:42:34 -0000 Greetings again. Based on the (thin) response to my recent requests, I have put together a new draft of the document. The big change is that it talks about RFC tracking as well as draft tracking. That is, lists can now include RFCs, and any change to an RFC (if it is updated or obsoleted, or if there is an errata filed against it) are tracked just like changes to drafts are tracked. Please review the draft if you can. There are still a few open issues, but we should be ready for IETF Last Call on this soon unless folks point out any problems. --Paul Hoffman -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-genarea-datatracker-community-05.txt Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:30:01 -0800 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the General Area Open Meeting Working Group of the IETF. Title : Requirements for Draft Tracking by the IETF Community in the Datatracker Author(s) : P. Hoffman Filename : draft-ietf-genarea-datatracker-community-05.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2011-01-28 The document gives a set of requirements for extending the IETF Datatracker to give individual IETF community members, including the IETF leadership, easy methods for tracking the progress of the Internet Drafts and RFCs of interest to them. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-genarea-datatracker-community-05.txt