From nobody Mon Jul 6 00:19:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADF81A8A99 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 00:19:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UIQXR469IJX7 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 00:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yk0-x22a.google.com (mail-yk0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACD9E1A8A68 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 00:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ykeo3 with SMTP id o3so20128595yke.0 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 00:19:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nAFGxdEa4P6pmxRGHZn/lf06yTNdeCwhIR81RaoXqZk=; b=LrDHqJD1GvGpvNXiMwe9X1ehXfQ0nc34YbLaaoe4U5X2E/Dp1p+hNIjflRr+D4T7zv CPSjphm0Bpsjg45RWfwiSkl4tgbwpezlc+v0xuDosEtDqgPD2RgyjsOz/E8YNXpUaEHK lg4QsgO7ZwuPHGUp/abbyYqRA0ey+ecdXG7q+J1xNQH6Uoo4rQziqTAdiySYlc9IPvyp aFapNqbt10cGvNT5CQQqF0uErK9ygdr9059pybbMcFU02f2TwJ3X/VZ2brbTCP5UGDrg iO2GPIyQMH/MKsrGBwOF7VwnWzFWrTeYO4mQoviDAaJ+7GO56ncGXY4QAc5QnT5s46ZZ S2Ww== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.63.196 with SMTP id f187mr57665552ykf.82.1436167141109; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 00:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.129.46.86 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 00:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 00:19:01 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "dbound@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1139f2f248b56a051a2fb8be Archived-At: Subject: [dbound] Preliminary agenda for IETF 93 X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 07:19:03 -0000 --001a1139f2f248b56a051a2fb8be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Colleagues, We're scheduled for a one-hour session on Monday at 17:40 local time. I've created a preliminary agenda and posted it here for your review and comments: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/agenda/agenda-93-dbound Note that I haven't checked this with Pete yet. I wanted to get this up since Monday is a deadline for preliminary agendas. We're still free to change it. The main question I think we should talk about regarding the agenda is what we would like to have coming out of that meeting. Goals are good. Are we looking to agree on a problem statement document (and possibly a re-stated charter), or a plan for new documents, or both, or something else? -MSK --001a1139f2f248b56a051a2fb8be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Colleagues,

We're schedule= d for a one-hour session on Monday at 17:40 local time.=C2=A0 I've crea= ted a preliminary agenda and posted it here for your review and comments:
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/agenda/agenda-93-dbound

<= /div>Note that I haven't checked this with Pete yet.=C2=A0 I wanted to = get this up since Monday is a deadline for preliminary agendas.=C2=A0 We= 9;re still free to change it.

The main question I think w= e should talk about regarding the agenda is what we would like to have comi= ng out of that meeting.=C2=A0 Goals are good.=C2=A0 Are we looking to agree= on a problem statement document (and possibly a re-stated charter), or a p= lan for new documents, or both, or something else?

= -MSK

--001a1139f2f248b56a051a2fb8be-- From nobody Mon Jul 6 07:01:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D2A1A21B5 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 07:01:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RHTHAEp8eFGQ for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 07:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.yitter.info (mx2.yitter.info [IPv6:2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:cfab]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0521A1B4B for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 07:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id E802D10012 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:00:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at crankycanuck.ca Received: from mx2.yitter.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.yitter.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X5NHP90KF69Z for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx2.yitter.info (unknown [IPv6:2601:18d:8600:22:617c:f0f1:109c:81c6]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC39B10370 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 10:00:56 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dbound@ietf.org Message-ID: <20150706140056.GH51577@mx2.yitter.info> References: <20150706135233.20829.66861.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150706135233.20829.66861.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dbound] New Version Notification for draft-sullivan-dbound-problem-statement-01.txt X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 14:01:02 -0000 Dear colleagues, On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 06:52:33AM -0700, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > Name: draft-sullivan-dbound-problem-statement > Revision: 01 > Title: DBOUND: DNS Administrative Boundaries Problem Statement > Document date: 2015-07-05 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 10 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sullivan-dbound-problem-statement-01.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sullivan-dbound-problem-statement/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sullivan-dbound-problem-statement-01 > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-sullivan-dbound-problem-statement-01 > This version attempts to update the draft in line with the "questions to answer" discussion that happened recently. My understanding is that Casey wants to work on an alternative, so he dropped from the author list in this version (though he's welcome to re-join -- I've run out of time before the deadline to get positive confirmation from Casey that's what he wants). I'd really like for us to come to some agreemwnt in Prague about what we're trying to get done, so further discussion on those lines would be most helpful. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From nobody Mon Jul 6 13:55:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE59E1B3224 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:55:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.378 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.378 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NQriaXuhA1bV for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ig0-x22b.google.com (mail-ig0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1414C1B3253 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by igh16 with SMTP id 16so35716048igh.0 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:55:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=deccio.net; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FDvwcG/4ffEyKbjYB5+Fae8r/Exi2/xMfT57UbqW8H0=; b=VFjqSEq+dzD841LnTr4OVo1fnMtme4p3P0pXLckiNuinLPDApd9+dOxaScJ7d7FUA7 V3vY92xBMj5OI1ml6CvljhlTwKsSr80KCaW10pofM9g2QUu7kyuQ0LXBO1tWfSIHyekF 7S8aoawhQJiNaFbDEPo71sgNZkmIPpwjv8OZo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FDvwcG/4ffEyKbjYB5+Fae8r/Exi2/xMfT57UbqW8H0=; b=adoOSlixKFoM5kK2EcFrlxY0twxy9KLNNcIuDXl/c7IGIfoCr39pZIvlUX/yVySZ1A rxdQBBod5yjrUBvpjfnrdp/5DUTcRi5h2T/7gp7TL7nFSHhsrqihdsrFVKRkK1p/tgQc Jx95RNUK1e1T+YD1Nn7nJ9oZsM/sAEIppaZSPVuMb49TfiR4edCcuO+mk88V9jFleOvQ aTRlCv3qK/2v8eyazdsccRgzSuyVJxkhJMe+oVsRpNryj50WvhwD7kH2YhxeweLlijiV b5ZiyB8OfN3ANXKvX87iacHOk7PiksngrzsFokeOwmGldUIXmw95Lx3SOSAkzhyNmvvu 07hA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm92DHx4ikcM7IoybqGjeAL9jSY1G727hNnApoZ8MAA+w3XifpefwNFs0gtHtvyGY+ppygV MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.59.180 with SMTP id a20mr71615892igr.23.1436216152525; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.240.17 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:55:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150706140056.GH51577@mx2.yitter.info> References: <20150706135233.20829.66861.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <20150706140056.GH51577@mx2.yitter.info> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:55:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: Casey Deccio To: Andrew Sullivan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bea35c097a93a051a3b21bc Archived-At: Cc: "dbound@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dbound] New Version Notification for draft-sullivan-dbound-problem-statement-01.txt X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 20:55:56 -0000 --047d7bea35c097a93a051a3b21bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > My understanding is that Casey wants to work on an alternative There is another draft, which might be considered alternative, though I've always considered it to be complementary. > so he dropped from the author list in this version In either case, I haven't contributed to the text in this document, so it's okay I'm not on the authors list. > I've run out of time before the deadline to get positive confirmation from > Casey that's what he wants. > Sorry, busy weekend/week. Consider this positive confirmation. Casey --047d7bea35c097a93a051a3b21bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Andrew Sullivan <aj= s@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:

My understanding is= that Casey wants to work on an alternative

There is another draft, which might be considered alternative, though I= 9;ve always considered it to be complementary.

=C2=A0

so he dropped from the author list in this ver= sion

In either case, I haven't contribu= ted to the text in this document, so it's okay I'm not on the autho= rs list.
=C2=A0

I've run out= of time before the deadline to get positive confirmation from
Casey that's what he wants.

Sorry, = busy weekend/week.=C2=A0 Consider this positive confirmation.

Casey

--047d7bea35c097a93a051a3b21bc-- From nobody Mon Jul 6 14:22:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437C11A004C for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:22:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nRf0IIvbbT9a for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.yitter.info (mx2.yitter.info [IPv6:2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:cfab]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0051A020B for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD792105E0; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:22:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at crankycanuck.ca Received: from mx2.yitter.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.yitter.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jkwDekSFoaUA; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.14.164] (mobile-107-107-63-191.mycingular.net [107.107.63.191]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 91EC91036F; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5D82D503-7680-4CCD-AEBB-F5B599C98162 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Andrew Sullivan X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12F70) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 17:22:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <20150706135233.20829.66861.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <20150706140056.GH51577@mx2.yitter.info> To: Casey Deccio Archived-At: Cc: "dbound@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dbound] New Version Notification for draft-sullivan-dbound-problem-statement-01.txt X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 21:22:21 -0000 --Apple-Mail-5D82D503-7680-4CCD-AEBB-F5B599C98162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks. Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to cast any aspersions or suggest y= ou were dilatory. I was the one who was late.=20 A --=20 Andrew Sullivan=20 Please excuse my clumbsy thums.=20 > On Jul 6, 2015, at 16:55, Casey Deccio wrote: >=20 >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Andrew Sullivan = wrote: >> My understanding is that Casey wants to work on an alternative >=20 > There is another draft, which might be considered alternative, though I've= always considered it to be complementary. > =20 >> so he dropped from the author list in this version >=20 > In either case, I haven't contributed to the text in this document, so it'= s okay I'm not on the authors list. > =20 >> I've run out of time before the deadline to get positive confirmation fro= m >> Casey that's what he wants. >=20 > Sorry, busy weekend/week. Consider this positive confirmation. >=20 > Casey > _______________________________________________ > dbound mailing list > dbound@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dbound --Apple-Mail-5D82D503-7680-4CCD-AEBB-F5B599C98162 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks. Just to be clear, I wasn't try= ing to cast any aspersions or suggest you were dilatory. I was the one who w= as late.

Andrew S= ullivan

Please excuse my clumbsy thums.

On Jul 6, 2015, at 16:55, Casey Deccio <casey@deccio.net> wrote:

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Andrew Sullivan <= span dir=3D"ltr"><ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
My understandin= g is that Casey wants to work on an alternative

<= div>There is another draft, which might be considered alternative, though I'= ve always considered it to be complementary.

so he dropped from the author list in this version<= /blockquote>

In either case, I haven't contributed to the= text in this document, so it's okay I'm not on the authors list.
<= br>
I've run out of time before the deadl= ine to get positive confirmation from
Casey that's what he wants.

Sorry, busy w= eekend/week. Consider this positive confirmation.

Ca= sey

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 17:29:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: Casey Deccio To: Andrew Sullivan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0111c01690137d051a3b9a3c Archived-At: Cc: "dbound@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dbound] New Version Notification for draft-sullivan-dbound-problem-statement-01.txt X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 21:29:43 -0000 --089e0111c01690137d051a3b9a3c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > Thanks. Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to cast any aspersions or > suggest you were dilatory. I was the one who was late. > > No aspersions perceived... and I usually am late :) Casey --089e0111c01690137d051a3b9a3c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Andrew Sullivan <aj= s@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:

<= div>Thanks. Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to cast any aspersions or= suggest you were dilatory. I was the one who was late.=C2=A0

<= /blockquote>

No aspersions perceived... and I usually am= late :)

Casey

--089e0111c01690137d051a3b9a3c-- From nobody Tue Jul 7 07:10:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642791AC3EC for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:10:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.378 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.378 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HsanoRZptX9A for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x234.google.com (mail-ie0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12ED51A6F1E for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iecvh10 with SMTP id vh10so135182896iec.3 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 07:10:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=deccio.net; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=hcMgfgY62aj2MSVZUqdnAqXo5IBvTj6awNEmr38FoCQ=; b=bPfSlGbHiTuvsWZJyj2SVhX48bSAYSFmbvG25OeuxsV6EkBUbsIOn/yx+dsQP01yXj 50Pv/c/gYsbXhCPO6N1Gd6MQy7SdNiK803vc5BQi10GM2Und5CFn2Xp64BLsHFUOcVFO d0gQkro00CEV+YHnzfRfJxOZ+lT5hPp5cEcKs= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hcMgfgY62aj2MSVZUqdnAqXo5IBvTj6awNEmr38FoCQ=; b=WTRqD8bsPjEvVe1qfxKb05h7+DWEXjom3erHxqfLHhS2myjqEEJQT7JHV+pS6prOUb hssNnXJcuDPNA9Mll1boFX+Ep1PMy6QB33TYHxxw99ZQhuhxvzfqUqJLkRL9xztgCIng O4WXuMVfKFvaMogp0TiJjWxgia5WPM2zyrPNj/8V64x/JL/Ovapf51alkhOgXXOcgmFj ECmltxBBGgyutn4KQp495+hB4K9nR6FB0u5i8W7oQd3eW/L+QS6BC2BmxR15kJjBbP8Y fCrJdkAbRRURMylAfn9VlzxKQcD6LeQ6QuXwtxZzQ/Z+xiOwUSo98fdQ2W8+SbwwDB66 WPKg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQki7UIbJp6FD4ue2qLuas8rzfqFm5fw4SSYM1RZJe8qFMW7uYqeb/RituCIvnYqyyfjPR+g MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.46.2 with SMTP id i2mr6435337ioo.18.1436278247371; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 07:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.240.17 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:10:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:10:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: Casey Deccio To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11440684bbd03f051a4996cf Archived-At: Cc: "dbound@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dbound] Preliminary agenda for IETF 93 X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:10:53 -0000 --001a11440684bbd03f051a4996cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 3:19 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Colleagues, > > We're scheduled for a one-hour session on Monday at 17:40 local time. > I've created a preliminary agenda and posted it here for your review and > comments: > > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/agenda/agenda-93-dbound > > Thanks, Murray! I think that's a reasonable start. > Note that I haven't checked this with Pete yet. I wanted to get this up > since Monday is a deadline for preliminary agendas. We're still free to > change it. > > The main question I think we should talk about regarding the agenda is > what we would like to have coming out of that meeting. Goals are good. > Are we looking to agree on a problem statement document (and possibly a > re-stated charter), or a plan for new documents, or both, or something else? > I think agreement on a problem statement is a big one, including specific use cases (John's questions, which you have put on the agenda, are a reasonable starting place). In conjunction with that I think we need some definition of what a successful solution (or solutions) look like. That includes capabilities, characteristics, portability, scalability, complexity, backwards compatibility, etc. Casey --001a11440684bbd03f051a4996cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 3:19 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy <su= peruser@gmail.com> wrote:

=
Colleagues,

We're scheduled for a one-hour sessi= on on Monday at 17:40 local time.=C2=A0 I've created a preliminary agen= da and posted it here for your review and comments:

h= ttps://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/agenda/agenda-93-dbound

Thanks, Murray!=C2=A0 I think= that's a reasonable start.
=C2=A0

Note that I haven't checked this with Pete= yet.=C2=A0 I wanted to get this up since Monday is a deadline for prelimin= ary agendas.=C2=A0 We're still free to change it.

The= main question I think we should talk about regarding the agenda is what we= would like to have coming out of that meeting.=C2=A0 Goals are good.=C2=A0= Are we looking to agree on a problem statement document (and possibly a re= -stated charter), or a plan for new documents, or both, or something else?<= span class=3D"HOEnZb">

I think agreement on a problem statement = is a big one, including specific use cases (John's questions, which you= have put on the agenda, are a reasonable starting place).=C2=A0 In conjunc= tion with that I think we need some definition of what a successful solutio= n (or solutions) look like.=C2=A0 That includes capabilities, characteristi= cs, portability, scalability, complexity, backwards compatibility, etc.
=

Casey

--001a11440684bbd03f051a4996cf-- From nobody Wed Jul 8 07:28:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470021B3699 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 07:28:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kvJA-vNN2ZnZ for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 07:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.yitter.info (mx2.yitter.info [50.116.54.116]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C2B1B3705 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 07:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5966105DB for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 14:25:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at crankycanuck.ca Received: from mx2.yitter.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.yitter.info [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kAWbh2936c-l for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 14:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx2.yitter.info (c-50-169-68-91.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [50.169.68.91]) by mx2.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D384F10370 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 14:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 10:25:53 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dbound@ietf.org Message-ID: <20150708142552.GG58386@mx2.yitter.info> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dbound] Preliminary agenda for IETF 93 X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 14:28:39 -0000 On Tue, Jul 07, 2015 at 10:10:47AM -0400, Casey Deccio wrote: > reasonable starting place). In conjunction with that I think we need some > definition of what a successful solution (or solutions) look like. That > includes capabilities, characteristics, portability, scalability, > complexity, backwards compatibility, etc. I think this is a good list. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From nobody Tue Jul 21 00:04:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0728C1AD0B3 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 00:04:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.022 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.022 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pSWHG9I3eN4y for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 00:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x229.google.com (mail-pa0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AFE61AD0B1 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 00:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pabkd10 with SMTP id kd10so42348236pab.2 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 00:04:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=drkurt.com; s=20130612; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Tj20/cAv5G5y+joT+8wqxlI4NGT/mJcxXkQxzMxkPG0=; b=Cl690tBh5i5dJO8bthr7LAVibRWeMqtvL9A5eo+RjMlQh76C7vyM8dR+JP2VJhkoNm Wf8SwfqCFGG9GMBrUG75WxH87ZALNE1OquyuCKNBw5RYHdydZgGaGOIchDvt4jDMcYuX NSMxmfBOSfHvwFhqI5mFqGypit6jQ1Di0Yqk0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from :to:content-type; bh=Tj20/cAv5G5y+joT+8wqxlI4NGT/mJcxXkQxzMxkPG0=; b=N0EJxb1bU7rMntYyfrX4zIDVcXJnkGUUALhY2KZt3igdY0qerElx8YmHj9Zm06VxGX 6hR6qf0xx1i1SlrxEP+yJzdAIZOixfPkJodEmPRNJbKoj4RAZpJIdkSbN85jbJoMeDr6 2vRMD5d/i2RmyqQmLnPMb/1hwggvRAjxuTG0S13YvYw3O8eQI+jGJKXkUOcoIPbhh1IK IxnIQfYKnxKzBfGUtwvIzWdyqt0zGI1RNwgaauews1nY23GIm/n4yF3Afu7Zscvtx+nW VphFol74+kws9TVrje7NKP2S5hqCdXBRUN6S7YmFR4aX4YZr+MPTiMbU1kWMvYD48l3+ LvPg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn24QXevyLrTajckJmS38RsDhEaS8iHu6nRe6nEmdTPalx5Ce1OJY1vQee46/TdR42WzjdY MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.70.35.16 with SMTP id d16mr70415489pdj.66.1437462260591; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 00:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Sender: kurta@drkurt.com Received: by 10.66.183.200 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 00:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:04:20 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: bpGgWxMl6JeoixBedzjxa3IF9e0 Message-ID: From: "Kurt Andersen (b)" To: "dbound@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd8fa666bc93e051b5d4330 Archived-At: Subject: [dbound] Started on a glossary of terms for dbound X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 07:04:35 -0000 --047d7bd8fa666bc93e051b5d4330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 After the meeting yesterday, I started with a very skeletal set of terms that need definition/explanation. Please feel free to dive in with supporting details: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dbound/trac/wiki/Glossary --Kurt Andersen --047d7bd8fa666bc93e051b5d4330 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

After the meeting yesterday, I started with a very sk= eletal set of terms that need definition/explanation. Please feel free to d= ive in with supporting details: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dbound/trac/wiki/Glo= ssary

--Kurt Andersen

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Please feel free to dive in with > supporting details: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/dbound/trac/wiki/Glossary Thanks! The terms seem reasonable... except for "portability". I thought about this yesterday during one of the presentations. "portability" has a lot of meanings, none of which seem to map very well for "ability to use offline as well as online". I can't think of a single word to describe this, but perhaps something like "connectivity sensitivity" or something like that? (It hurts my brain when reading this, please someone think of something better!) 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I thought about > this yesterday during one of the presentations. "portability" has a lot > of meanings, none of which seem to map very well for "ability to use > offline as well as online". > > I can't think of a single word to describe this, but perhaps something > like "connectivity sensitivity" or something like that? (It hurts my > brain when reading this, please someone think of something better!) Sounds like it's going in the right direction, but shouldn't it be "connectivity insensitivity" (but this hurts even more). Or something like "offline usability" or "suitability for offline use". Or if we can let go of noun forms, just "suitable for offline use" or some such. 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I thought about > this yesterday during one of the presentations. "portability" has a lot > of meanings, none of which seem to map very well for "ability to use > offline as well as online". > While I verbally mentioned "ability to use offline as well as online" as an example and important use case of portability, I didn't necessarily intend it to be *the* definition of portability. I don't think offline/online should replace "portability", but it should be noted that this is merely one example. The more general question is: how well can this solution be used by various applications of different types (e.g., browser, library, mail server) on different computing platforms (e.g., laptop, phone, embedded OS) in different network environments (e.g., online, offline, private network, dial-on-demand), etc? Casey --e89a8f839f919d78d7051b5eb97b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:22 AM, Shane Kerr <shan= e@time-travellers.org> wrote:

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The terms seem reasonable... except for "portability". I thought = about
this yesterday during one of the presentations. "portability" has= a lot
of meanings, none of which seem to map very well for "ability to use offline as well as online".

While = I verbally mentioned "ability to use offline as well as online" a= s an example and important use case of portability, I didn't necessaril= y intend it to be *the* definition of portability.=C2=A0 I don't think = offline/online should replace "portability", but it should be not= ed that this is merely one example.=C2=A0 The more general question is: how= well can this solution be used by various applications of different types = (e.g., browser, library, mail server) on different computing platforms (e.g= ., laptop, phone, embedded OS) in different network environments (e.g., onl= ine, offline, private network, dial-on-demand), etc?

Case= y

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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Casey Deccio <casey@de= ccio.net> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:22 AM, Shane Kerr <shane@time-travell= ers.org> wrote:
The terms seem reasonable... except for "portability". I thought = about
this yesterday during one of the presentations. "portability" has= a lot
of meanings, none of which seem to map very well for "ability to use offline as well as online".

While I verbally mentioned "ability to use offline as well as online&= quot; as an example and important use case of portability, I didn't nec= essarily intend it to be *the* definition of portability.=C2=A0 I don't= think offline/online should replace "portability", but it should= be noted that this is merely one example.=C2=A0 The more general question = is: how well can this solution be used by various applications of different= types (e.g., browser, library, mail server) on different computing platfor= ms (e.g., laptop, phone, embedded OS) in different network environments (e.= g., online, offline, private network, dial-on-demand), etc?

Casey

This is sounding more along the li= nes of "suitable for limited connectivity/capability situations and de= vices". Does that capture the idea you are thinking of?

<= div>--Kurt

--e89a8ffbaa25c6b50b051b5eee72-- From nobody Tue Jul 21 02:22:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EDA1B29F1 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:22:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.378 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.378 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B0sdVFcRYwlW for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x236.google.com (mail-ie0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27B701A0123 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ietj16 with SMTP id j16so137494417iet.0 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:22:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=deccio.net; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=jZycmsUsPswuQAsBuEWwbW//r6RMJL3x53uagEwu24c=; b=W5VAHU3lsCvk+ZBDU8lmOUxtOScOguraHMHEj7SsTRr6sz/ZV+THPZVv+EPWkyvGm8 y4VcHswy10mNmQcvTnyzzw2sY+9bFrJA9eSDH045mQUwfTvKN9DP75x5fg/XOPbUVKK4 ktWecHz1/G1kDQTmj+QvewxrHEshFN1A3NNAs= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=jZycmsUsPswuQAsBuEWwbW//r6RMJL3x53uagEwu24c=; b=JfHd59Xmgs7Ev8FVDVRKezEPerMOsYKCIGLsuC6Xn6a2NfDtASHZIj0lc2rClfvP+E vWbIqEEprgf7ZEeSWuyEKgif3/YVOM4eLjr2uL7LJrSkIlBT8Yq12oa/P1rwPstMTrDe FMVtqQd2qStNOOtTeWSwvJZuZ5CF5JmnQVi10aqDwkN0LfVg19T6xWN3vJ3XE0+vevJH NHB6Uwy98HKkVnSeD0JJsalj7BBa7iWV/BGX1ssCM0FtldlvnEA2FE9BUGuW6OrtblCZ GswoYZd9fPZ6sD2r/7lqcdtU9lM8ZTlAfhG97ozU8xsc/gP04UFVpxSr1o8aY8CgjnkZ El4A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmi3fWtJD4mnXNYLzXsVo55plzB5/dha7k53pOMbquH+zLY7RZX+EIvveuUkEnYpG8G5Vry MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.57.102 with SMTP id h6mr22337211igq.72.1437470563662; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.240.17 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:22:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20150721082206.4688da2e@casual> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 05:22:43 -0400 Message-ID: From: Casey Deccio To: "Kurt Andersen (b)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdc165e529d9e051b5f327d Archived-At: Cc: Shane Kerr , "dbound@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dbound] Started on a glossary of terms for dbound X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:22:48 -0000 --047d7bdc165e529d9e051b5f327d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:03 AM, Kurt Andersen (b) wrote: > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Casey Deccio wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:22 AM, Shane Kerr >> wrote: >> >>> The terms seem reasonable... except for "portability". I thought about >>> this yesterday during one of the presentations. "portability" has a lot >>> of meanings, none of which seem to map very well for "ability to use >>> offline as well as online". >>> >> >> While I verbally mentioned "ability to use offline as well as online" as >> an example and important use case of portability, I didn't necessarily >> intend it to be *the* definition of portability. I don't think >> offline/online should replace "portability", but it should be noted that >> this is merely one example. The more general question is: how well can >> this solution be used by various applications of different types (e.g., >> browser, library, mail server) on different computing platforms (e.g., >> laptop, phone, embedded OS) in different network environments (e.g., >> online, offline, private network, dial-on-demand), etc? >> >> Casey >> > > This is sounding more along the lines of "suitable for limited > connectivity/capability situations and devices". Does that capture the idea > you are thinking of? > How about if I turn the statement into a statement? Versatility for use by various applications of different types (e.g., browser, library, mail server) on different computing platforms (e.g., laptop, phone, embedded OS) in different network environments (e.g., online, offline, private network, dial-on-demand), etc? Casey --047d7bdc165e529d9e051b5f327d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:03 AM, Kurt Andersen (b) &l= t;kboth@drkurt.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Cas= ey Deccio <casey@deccio.net> wrote:

On Tu= e, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:22 AM, Shane Kerr <shane@time-travellers.org<= /a>> wrote:
The terms seem reasonable... except for "portability". I thought = about
this yesterday during one of the presentations. "portability" has= a lot
of meanings, none of which seem to map very well for "ability to use offline as well as online".

While I verbally mentioned "ability to use offline as well as online&= quot; as an example and important use case of portability, I didn't nec= essarily intend it to be *the* definition of portability.=C2=A0 I don't= think offline/online should replace "portability", but it should= be noted that this is merely one example.=C2=A0 The more general question = is: how well can this solution be used by various applications of different= types (e.g., browser, library, mail server) on different computing platfor= ms (e.g., laptop, phone, embedded OS) in different network environments (e.= g., online, offline, private network, dial-on-demand), etc?

Casey

This is sounding more along the lines of "suitable = for limited connectivity/capability situations and devices". Does that= capture the idea you are thinking of?

How about if I turn the statement into a statement?
=

Versatility for use by various applications of different=20 types (e.g., browser, library, mail server) on different computing=20 platforms (e.g., laptop, phone, embedded OS) in different network=20 environments (e.g., online, offline, private network, dial-on-demand),=20 etc?

Casey

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 05:30:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: Casey Deccio To: "Kurt Andersen (b)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdc152cfeb6a9051b5f4d5b Archived-At: Cc: Shane Kerr , "dbound@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dbound] Started on a glossary of terms for dbound X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:30:30 -0000 --047d7bdc152cfeb6a9051b5f4d5b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:22 AM, Casey Deccio wrote: > How about if I turn the statement into a statement? > erg. I meant "turn the question into a statement". > > Versatility for use by various applications of different types (e.g., > browser, library, mail server) on different computing platforms (e.g., > laptop, phone, embedded OS) in different network environments (e.g., > online, offline, private network, dial-on-demand), etc? > > --047d7bdc152cfeb6a9051b5f4d5b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:2= 2 AM, Casey Deccio <casey@deccio.net> wrote:

How about if = I turn the statement into a statement?

erg.=C2=A0 I meant "turn the question into a statement".=C2=A0

Versatility for use by= various applications of different=20 types (e.g., browser, library, mail server) on different computing=20 platforms (e.g., laptop, phone, embedded OS) in different network=20 environments (e.g., online, offline, private network, dial-on-demand),=20 etc?
=

--047d7bdc152cfeb6a9051b5f4d5b-- From nobody Wed Jul 22 02:57:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D961AC44E for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 02:57:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8NuUOl6iZuw5 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 02:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time-travellers.nl.eu.org (c.time-travellers.nl.eu.org [IPv6:2a02:2770::21a:4aff:fea3:eeaa]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 468451AC445 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 02:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 89.100.broadband6.iol.cz ([88.101.100.89] helo=casual) by time-travellers.nl.eu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZHqmJ-0008WK-Ek; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:57:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:57:21 +0000 From: Shane Kerr To: Casey Deccio Message-ID: <20150722095721.59572424@casual> In-Reply-To: References: <20150721082206.4688da2e@casual>

X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "dbound@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dbound] Started on a glossary of terms for dbound X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:57:37 -0000 Casey, On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 05:22:43 -0400 Casey Deccio wrote: > Versatility for use by various applications of different types (e.g., > browser, library, mail server) on different computing platforms (e.g., > laptop, phone, embedded OS) in different network environments (e.g., > online, offline, private network, dial-on-demand), etc? "Versatility" seems like a closer match than "portability" to what is intended. It requires a bit more explanation, but at least it does not make me think of incorrect things (probably I am too old, so to me "portability" means going through various voodoo rituals to get your C code to work in strange systems). :P Cheers, -- Shane From nobody Wed Jul 22 08:11:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dbound@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0171A0113 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:11:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.879 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FlEFPdBKe1Qi for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpcmd02111.aruba.it (smtpcmd02111.aruba.it [62.149.158.111]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCC11A037C for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dell-tcastaldi ([31.130.224.109]) by smtpcmd02.ad.aruba.it with bizsmtp id vTBp1q01d2NEPrz01TBq47; Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:11:50 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:11:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Meetecho Team To: dbound@ietf.org Message-ID: <1437446480.7.1437577911253.JavaMail.tcastaldi@dell-tcastaldi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_6_422120303.1437577911246" Archived-At: Subject: [dbound] Meetecho recordings of DBOUND WG session X-BeenThere: dbound@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS tree bounds List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:11:53 -0000 ------=_Part_6_422120303.1437577911246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, the full recording (synchronized video, audio, slides and jabber room) of the DBOUND WG session at IETF 93 is available at the following URL: http://ietf93.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Recorded_Sessions#DBOUND In case of problems with the playout, just drop an e-mail to ietf-support@meetecho.com. For the chair(s): please feel free to put the link to the recording in the minutes, if you think this might be useful. Cheers, the Meetecho Team ------=_Part_6_422120303.1437577911246--