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Hi all,

Revision 03 of draft-deccio-dbound-organizational-domain-policy has been
uploaded:

Name:        draft-deccio-dbound-organizational-domain-policy
> Revision:    03
> Title:        Organizational Domains and Use Policies for Domain Names
> Document date:    2016-07-01
> Group:        Individual Submission
> Pages:        22
> URL:
> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deccio-dbound-organizational-domain-policy-03.txt
> Status:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-deccio-dbound-organizational-domain-policy/
> Htmlized:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deccio-dbound-organizational-domain-policy-03
> Diff:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-deccio-dbound-organizational-domain-policy-03
>

A summary of the draft is below, including changes specific to the -03
revision.  Please note the text that addresses the recent focus proposed by
the working group chairs on the mailing list.

This draft provides:
 - A mechanism by which the DNS namespace domain names can be organized
hierarchically into organizational domains--independent of DNS
zone/administrative boundaries--with organizational boundaries.
Organizational boundary delineation is specified and detected in the DNS
using a special namespace convention for that purpose (using the "_odup"
label), and the protocol is specified in the draft.

- A placeholder for directives with which future policy information can be
specified.  Unlike previous revisions of the draft, which spelled out
directives, this version only spells out one (and even that one could be
removed, if desired).  This gives more focus to the organizational domain
aspect of the mechanism, which focus was proposed by the working group
chairs and generally agreed upon by the working group, on the mailing list
recently.

- Backwards compatibility with existing mechanisms--especially the Public
Suffix List.  The current mechanism can be derived from the Public Suffix
List, distributing policies among top-level domains.  Similarly, using the
+fetch directive, a Public Suffix List can be derived from policies
distributed among the top-level domains (and really from any list of
domains with policies that one might want to be consolidated into a single
file).

- Flexibility to extend for future provisions (including additional policy
directives and cross-domain relationships).

- Performance optimizations from previous revisions.  The ODUP resolution
(lookup) mechanism has been been simplified, including requiring a reduced
number of DNS queries in common cases.

Code to demonstrate the functionality of the mechanism described in this
draft is here:

https://github.com/verisign/odup

Additionally, some colleagues of mine have integrated ODUP logic into
OpenDMARC (i.e., to replace the Public Suffix List lookup) and the Mozilla
Firefox cookie service as proof-of-concept functionality.  The code/setup
are not publicly available at this time, but I would be happy to demo to
interested parties.

While DBOUND is not scheduled to meet in Berlin, I would suggest we have an
informal get-together.  Certainly addressing the chairs' recent request
about working focus would be an order of discussion.  Additionally, I would
be interested in describing the current state of this draft and how the
mechanism can be used to address DBOUND-related problems.

Cheers,
Casey

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Hi all,<br><br></div><div>Revisio=
n 03 of draft-deccio-dbound-organizational-domain-policy has been uploaded:=
<br><br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Name:=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 draft-deccio-dbound-organizational-domain-p=
olicy<br>Revision:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 03<br>Title:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Organizational Domains and Use Policies for Domain Names <br>D=
ocument date:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2016-07-01<br>Group:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Individual Submission<br>Pages:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 22<br>URL:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-deccio-d=
bound-organizational-domain-policy-03.txt">https://www.ietf.org/internet-dr=
afts/draft-deccio-dbound-organizational-domain-policy-03.txt</a><br>Status:=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://datatra=
cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-deccio-dbound-organizational-domain-policy/">https:=
//datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-deccio-dbound-organizational-domain-policy=
/</a><br>Htmlized:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://t=
ools.ietf.org/html/draft-deccio-dbound-organizational-domain-policy-03">htt=
ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deccio-dbound-organizational-domain-policy-0=
3</a><br>Diff:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-deccio-dbound-organiza=
tional-domain-policy-03">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-deccio-d=
bound-organizational-domain-policy-03</a><br></blockquote><br></div><div>A =
summary of the draft is below, including changes specific to the -03 revisi=
on.=C2=A0 Please note the text that addresses the recent focus proposed by =
the working group chairs on the mailing list.<br></div><div><br></div>This =
draft provides:<br></div>=C2=A0- A mechanism by which the DNS namespace dom=
ain names can be organized hierarchically into organizational domains--inde=
pendent of DNS zone/administrative boundaries--with organizational boundari=
es.=C2=A0 Organizational boundary delineation is specified and detected in =
the DNS using a special namespace convention for that purpose (using the &q=
uot;_odup&quot; label), and the protocol is specified in the draft.<br><br>=
</div>- A placeholder for directives with which future policy information c=
an be specified.=C2=A0 Unlike previous revisions of the draft, which spelle=
d out directives, this version only spells out one (and even that one could=
 be removed, if desired).=C2=A0 This gives more focus to the organizational=
 domain aspect of the mechanism, which focus was proposed by the working gr=
oup chairs and generally agreed upon by the working group, on the mailing l=
ist recently.<br></div><div><br></div><div>- Backwards compatibility with e=
xisting mechanisms--especially the Public Suffix List.=C2=A0 The current me=
chanism can be derived from the Public Suffix List, distributing policies a=
mong top-level domains.=C2=A0 Similarly, using the +fetch directive, a Publ=
ic Suffix List can be derived from policies distributed among the top-level=
 domains (and really from any list of domains with policies that one might =
want to be consolidated into a single file).<br><br>- Flexibility to extend=
 for future provisions (including additional policy directives and cross-do=
main relationships).<br><br></div><div>- Performance optimizations from pre=
vious revisions.=C2=A0 The ODUP resolution (lookup) mechanism has been been=
 simplified, including requiring a reduced number of DNS queries in common =
cases.<br><br></div>Code to demonstrate the functionality of the mechanism =
described in this draft is here:<br><div><br><a href=3D"https://github.com/=
verisign/odup">https://github.com/verisign/odup</a><br><br></div><div>Addit=
ionally, some colleagues of mine have integrated ODUP logic into OpenDMARC =
(i.e., to replace the Public Suffix List lookup) and the Mozilla Firefox co=
okie service as proof-of-concept functionality.=C2=A0 The code/setup are no=
t publicly available at this time, but I would be happy to demo to interest=
ed parties.<br><br></div><div>While DBOUND is not scheduled to meet in Berl=
in, I would suggest we have an informal get-together.=C2=A0 Certainly addre=
ssing the chairs&#39; recent request about working focus would be an order =
of discussion.=C2=A0 Additionally, I would be interested in describing the =
current state of this draft and how the mechanism can be used to address DB=
OUND-related problems.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>C=
asey<br></div></div>

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Dear colleagues,

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 05:54:16PM -0700, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:

> So, what say you all?

I reluctantly conclude that this is a way forward, though I find the
prospect of what we're going to do ugly.

Best regards,

A

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All,

While the DBOUND WG is not scheduled to meet this week, I'd like to propose
an unofficial meeting of interested DBOUND parties, tomorrow morning at
10:00am, location TBD.  The agenda is loose but involves discussion of
where we are, where to go, etc.

Cheers,
Casey

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>All,<br><br></div>While the DBOUND WG is not sch=
eduled to meet this week, I&#39;d like to propose an unofficial meeting of =
interested DBOUND parties, tomorrow morning at 10:00am, location TBD.=C2=A0=
 The agenda is loose but involves discussion of where we are, where to go, =
etc.<br><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div>Casey<br></div>

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Quoting Casey Deccio <casey@deccio.net>:

> While the DBOUND WG is not scheduled to meet this week, I'd like to propose
> an unofficial meeting of interested DBOUND parties,

sounds good, thx for arranging..

> ..tomorrow morning at
> 10:00am, location TBD.  The agenda is loose but involves discussion of
> where we are, where to go, etc.

but do you actually mean 0900h?   the quic bof is t 1000h and I'm  
going to that...

thx

=JeffH




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On 7/19/2016 12:17 PM, jeff.hodges@kingsmountain.com wrote:
>> .tomorrow morning at
>> 10:00am, location TBD.  The agenda is loose but involves discussion of
>> where we are, where to go, etc.
>
> but do you actually mean 0900h?   the quic bof is t 1000h and I'm going
> to that...

+1

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On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:17 AM, <jeff.hodges@kingsmountain.com> wrote:

>
> ..tomorrow morning at
>> 10:00am, location TBD.  The agenda is loose but involves discussion of
>> where we are, where to go, etc.
>>
>
> but do you actually mean 0900h?   the quic bof is t 1000h and I'm going to
> that...
>
>
No, I actually meant 10:00am--I don't have a room at 9:00am.
Alternatively, we could do 3:50pm.

Casey

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On 7/19/2016 4:45 PM, Casey Deccio wrote:
> No, I actually meant 10:00am--I don't have a room at 9:00am.
> Alternatively, we could do 3:50pm.

that's the human rights IRTF session.

9am would be quite good, of course (assuming my 7:30 meeting is over...)

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On 7/19/16, 7:45 AM, "dbound on behalf of Casey Deccio" <dbound-bounces@iet=
f.org<mailto:dbound-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of casey@deccio.net<mailto:=
casey@deccio.net>> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:17 AM, <jeff.hodges@kingsmountain.com<mailto:jeff=
.hodges@kingsmountain.com>> wrote:

..tomorrow morning at
10:00am, location TBD.  The agenda is loose but involves discussion of
where we are, where to go, etc.

but do you actually mean 0900h?   the quic bof is t 1000h and I'm going to =
that...


No, I actually meant 10:00am--I don't have a room at 9:00am.  Alternatively=
, we could do 3:50pm.

hm, well, 1550h is oauth...    do we actually need a room?  perhaps we can =
have a hallway/bar chat during otherwise unscheduled time ?  :)     I'm att=
ending a session during every agenda slot it seems...

in any case, I've been buried by higher-priority work and subsequently been=
 remiss in reviewing others' drafts, sorry.  I'll try to get to that.

=3DJeffH


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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:17 AM, <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:jeff.hodges@kingsmountain.com" target=3D"_blank">jeff.hodges=
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..tomorrow morning at<span><br>
10:00am, location TBD.&nbsp; The agenda is loose but involves discussion of=
<br>
where we are, where to go, etc.<br>
</span></blockquote>
<br>
but do you actually mean 0900h?&nbsp; &nbsp;the quic bof is t 1000h and I'm=
 going to that...<br>
<br>
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<div>No, I actually meant 10:00am--I don't have a room at 9:00am.&nbsp; Alt=
ernatively, we could do 3:50pm.</div>
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<div>hm, well, 1550h is oauth... &nbsp; &nbsp;do we actually need a room? &=
nbsp;perhaps we can have a hallway/bar chat during otherwise unscheduled ti=
me ? &nbsp;:) &nbsp; &nbsp; I'm attending a session during every agenda slo=
t it seems...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>in any case, I've been buried by higher-priority work and subsequently=
 been remiss in reviewing others' drafts, sorry. &nbsp;I'll try to get to t=
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On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Casey Deccio <casey@deccio.net> wrote:

>
> While the DBOUND WG is not scheduled to meet this week, I'd like to
> propose an unofficial meeting of interested DBOUND parties...  The agenda
> is loose but involves discussion of where we are, where to go, etc.
>

While the ultimate timing might not work for everyone, it appears that a
poll might be more useful than back-and-forths on the mailing list to
assess preferences.  So here it is:

http://doodle.com/poll/cgkv9ypirw8vvig6

If you have interest in the meeting, please participate in the poll.  This
will not only help me nail down a time but also get an idea of how many
might attend.

Thanks,
Casey

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Casey Deccio <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:casey@deccio.net" target=3D"_blank">casey@decci=
o.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><div><div><br></div>While the DBOUND WG is not scheduled to meet this wee=
k, I&#39;d like to propose an unofficial meeting of interested DBOUND parti=
es...=C2=A0 The agenda is loose but involves discussion of where we are, wh=
ere to go, etc.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>While the u=
ltimate timing might not work for everyone, it appears that a poll might be=
 more useful than back-and-forths on the mailing list to assess preferences=
.=C2=A0 So here it is:<br><br><a href=3D"http://doodle.com/poll/cgkv9ypirw8=
vvig6">http://doodle.com/poll/cgkv9ypirw8vvig6</a><br><br></div>If you have=
 interest in the meeting, please participate in the poll.=C2=A0 This will n=
ot only help me nail down a time but also get an idea of how many might att=
end.<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Thanks,<br></div><div class=3D=
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On 7/20/16, 12:53 AM, "dbound on behalf of Casey Deccio" <dbound-bounces@ie=
tf.org<mailto:dbound-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of casey@deccio.net<mailto=
:casey@deccio.net>> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Casey Deccio <casey@deccio.net<mailto:case=
y@deccio.net>> wrote:

While the DBOUND WG is not scheduled to meet this week, I'd like to propose=
 an unofficial meeting of interested DBOUND parties...  The agenda is loose=
 but involves discussion of where we are, where to go, etc.

While the ultimate timing might not work for everyone, it appears that a po=
ll might be more useful than back-and-forths on the mailing list to assess =
preferences.  So here it is:

http://doodle.com/poll/cgkv9ypirw8vvig6

If you have interest in the meeting, please participate in the poll.  This =
will not only help me nail down a time but also get an idea of how many mig=
ht attend.

thanks for doing that Casey -- but the poll has only slots for session time=
s and none work for me -- a hallway/bar/lounge discussion at non-session ti=
mes works for me, eg Fri morn before 1000h.

HTH, thx again, =3DJeffH



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While the DBOUND WG is not scheduled to meet this week, I'd like to propose=
 an unofficial meeting of interested DBOUND parties...&nbsp; The agenda is =
loose but involves discussion of where we are, where to go, etc.<br>
</div>
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<div>While the ultimate timing might not work for everyone, it appears that=
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sess preferences.&nbsp; So here it is:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://doodle.com/poll/cgkv9ypirw8vvig6">http://doodle.com/poll/=
cgkv9ypirw8vvig6</a><br>
<br>
</div>
If you have interest in the meeting, please participate in the poll.&nbsp; =
This will not only help me nail down a time but also get an idea of how man=
y might attend.</div>
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<div>thanks for doing that Casey -- but the poll has only slots for session=
 times and none work for me -- a hallway/bar/lounge discussion at non-sessi=
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On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Hodges, Jeff <jeff.hodges@paypal.com>
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> thanks for doing that Casey -- but the poll has only slots for session
> times and none work for me -- a hallway/bar/lounge discussion at
> non-session times works for me, eg Fri morn before 1000h.
>

Fair enough.  I added slots for 9:00am.

Casey

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Hodges, Jeff <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jeff.hodges@paypal.com" target=3D"_blank">jeff.=
hodges@paypal.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
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<br><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font=
-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class=3D""><span></span></span><div>thank=
s for doing that Casey -- but the poll has only slots for session times and=
 none work for me -- a hallway/bar/lounge discussion at non-session times w=
orks for me, eg Fri morn before 1000h.=C2=A0</div></div></blockquote><div><=
br></div><div>Fair enough.=C2=A0 I added slots for 9:00am.<br><br></div><di=
v>Casey<br></div></div></div></div>

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On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:53 AM, Casey Deccio <casey@deccio.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Casey Deccio <casey@deccio.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> While the DBOUND WG is not scheduled to meet this week, I'd like to
>> propose an unofficial meeting of interested DBOUND parties...  The agenda
>> is loose but involves discussion of where we are, where to go, etc.
>>
>
> While the ultimate timing might not work for everyone, it appears that a
> poll might be more useful than back-and-forths on the mailing list to
> assess preferences.  So here it is:
>
> http://doodle.com/poll/cgkv9ypirw8vvig6
>
> If you have interest in the meeting, please participate in the poll.  This
> will not only help me nail down a time but also get an idea of how many
> might attend.
>

>From the handful of responses, it looks like Friday morning is collectively
the best time for folks, with Thursday evening being a close second.  If
you have interest and haven't answered the poll, please do so, so I can
make the final call.

Casey

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:53 AM, Casey Deccio <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:casey@deccio.net" target=3D"_blank">casey@decci=
o.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jul 19, 2=
016 at 6:04 AM, Casey Deccio <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:casey@=
deccio.net" target=3D"_blank">casey@deccio.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><br></div>While the DB=
OUND WG is not scheduled to meet this week, I&#39;d like to propose an unof=
ficial meeting of interested DBOUND parties...=C2=A0 The agenda is loose bu=
t involves discussion of where we are, where to go, etc.<br></div></div></b=
lockquote><div><br></div><div>While the ultimate timing might not work for =
everyone, it appears that a poll might be more useful than back-and-forths =
on the mailing list to assess preferences.=C2=A0 So here it is:<br><br><a h=
ref=3D"http://doodle.com/poll/cgkv9ypirw8vvig6" target=3D"_blank">http://do=
odle.com/poll/cgkv9ypirw8vvig6</a><br><br></div>If you have interest in the=
 meeting, please participate in the poll.=C2=A0 This will not only help me =
nail down a time but also get an idea of how many might attend.<br></div></=
div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>From the handful of responses, i=
t looks like Friday morning is collectively the best time for folks, with T=
hursday evening being a close second.=C2=A0 If you have interest and haven&=
#39;t answered the poll, please do so, so I can make the final call.<br><br=
></div><div>Casey<br></div></div></div></div>

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> On Jul 19, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Casey Deccio <casey@deccio.net> wrote:
>=20
> While the DBOUND WG is not scheduled to meet this week, I'd like to propos=
e an unofficial meeting of interested DBOUND...  The agenda is loose but inv=
olves discussion of where we are, where to go, etc.

Based on availability indicated by the poll, let's meet:

Hours: 9:00 - 10:00am (or later)
Room: Queen (second floor meeting room)

Note that many individuals indicated that they were available beyond 10:00am=
.  The room will be available after the meeting for further discussion, if n=
ecessary.

Thanks,
Casey


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One presumes this refers to Friday, 22 July.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Casey Deccio <casey@deccio.net> wrote:
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>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Casey Deccio <casey@deccio.net> wrote:
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>> While the DBOUND WG is not scheduled to meet this week, I'd like to propose an unofficial meeting of interested DBOUND...  The agenda is loose but involves discussion of where we are, where to go, etc.
>
> Based on availability indicated by the poll, let's meet:
>
> Hours: 9:00 - 10:00am (or later)
> Room: Queen (second floor meeting room)
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> Note that many individuals indicated that they were available beyond 10:00am.  The room will be available after the meeting for further discussion, if necessary.
>
> Thanks,
> Casey
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> On Jul 21, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote:
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> One presumes this refers to Friday, 22 July.

Sigh.  Yes, this is for Friday:

Date: Friday, July 22
Hours: 9:00 - 10:00am (or later)
Room: Queen (second floor meeting room)

Casey

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>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Casey Deccio <casey@deccio.net> wrote:
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>> Casey
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Dear colleagues,

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 05:54:16PM -0700, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:

So, what say you all?

I reluctantly conclude that this is a way forward, though I find the
prospect of what we're going to do ugly.

Best regards,

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