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I=92m sending this to both lists. If you = receive only one copy, drop me a note. > _______________________________________________ > Dclc mailing list > Dclc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/dclc I have received no notes. I=92ll suggest, therefore, that I retarget the = old list to point to the new list, and we start using the new list. Any = objections? --Apple-Mail=_41435A20-47D8-4B32-A283-EDA3B394E9A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iD8DBQFTTXk7bjEdbHIsm0MRAmujAKCmC8JxtbV1R+4y6nyieCphb4Pk0wCgikmt mqragQ1Y5o2AWmWsJRmJEro= =Qlz3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_41435A20-47D8-4B32-A283-EDA3B394E9A8-- From nobody Sun Apr 20 23:12:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3751A007A for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 23:11:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.05 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.05 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RELAY_IS_221=2.222, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L1HoGMzA60lA for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 23:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n9-36.mail.139.com (n9-36.mail.139.com [221.176.9.36]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A1701A0049 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 2014 23:11:52 -0700 (PDT) X-RM-SPAM-FLAG: 00000000 Received: from lingli.deng@139.com ( [221.130.253.135] ) by ajax-webmail-rmapp-17-11017 (RichMail) with HTTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 14:11:38 +0800 (CST) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 14:11:38 +0800 (CST) From: =?utf-8?B?6YKT54G16I6J?= To: dclc Message-ID: <2b095354b337869-0000e.Richmail.00014356897851338097@139.com> References: <00c601cf5d26$bf6c7410$3e455c30$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_Part_804685_790432625.1398060698307" X-Priority: 3 X-RM-TRANSID: 2b095354b337869-0000e X-RM-OA-ENC-TYPE: 0 X-Mailer: Richmail_Webapp(V1.6.9)A001 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dclc/lZhfy2v9mAvL2sZJXXM-eHDKHKQ Subject: [Dclc] =?utf-8?b?Rnc66L2s5Y+ROiBwbGFubmluZyBmb3IgaWV0Zjkw?= X-BeenThere: dclc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Data Center Latency Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 06:11:58 -0000 ------=_Part_804685_790432625.1398060698307 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_804684_2039310403.1398060698258" ------=_Part_804684_2039310403.1398060698258 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =20 It seemed that my last email did not get through, so I am resending it via = another email account. Sorry if you get duplicate copies of the same conten= t. =20 Looking forward to your comments and contribution. =20 Cheers, Lingli =E9=82=93=E7=81=B5=E8=8E=89=E8=81=8C=E5=8A=A1=EF=BC=9A=E7=A0=94=E7=A9=B6=E5= =91=98/Researcher=E5=85=AC=E5=8F=B8=EF=BC=9A=E4=B8=AD=E5=9B=BD=E7=A7=BB=E5= =8A=A8=E7=A0=94=E7=A9=B6=E9=99=A2/China Mobile Research Institute=E5=9C=B0= =E5=9D=80=EF=BC=9A=E5=8C=97=E4=BA=AC=E5=AE=A3=E6=AD=A6=E9=97=A8=E8=A5=BF=E5= =A4=A7=E8=A1=9732=E5=8F=B7/32 Xuanwumenxi Ave, Beijing=E9=82=AE=E7=AE=B1=EF= =BC=9Alingli.deng@139.com=E6=89=8B=E6=9C=BA=EF=BC=9A13810597148=E9=82=AE=E7= =BC=96=EF=BC=9A100053=E6=97=A5=E6=9C=9F=EF=BC=9A2014=E5=B9=B404=E6=9C=8821= =E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- ------------------ =E5=8E=9F=E5=A7=8B=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6 ------------------ =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: "=E9=82=93=E7=81=B5=E8=8E=89/Lingli Deng" =20 =20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014-04-21 13:58:41 =20 =20 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: "lingli.deng" =20 =20 =20 =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: (=E6=97=A0)=20 =20 =20 =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: =E8=BD=AC=E5=8F=91: planning for ietf90 =20 =20 =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: =E9=82=93=E7=81=B5=E8=8E=89/Lingli Deng [mailt= o:denglingli@chinamobile.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B44=E6=9C=8819=E6=97=A5 10= :34 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 'dclc@irtf.org' =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: planning for ietf90 =20 Hi all, =20 >From my impression, I believe people showed interest in the following topic= s, and would like to invite further discussion as we start planning for iet= f 90. =20 1, Production data sharing:=20 It seems it is generally agreed that it would be both highly desirable and = generally hard to get real data from production DCs.=20 I suspect that a security personnel would naturally tend to say =E2=80=9CNO= =E2=80=9D if he is asked to share a piece of raw data without knowing the r= isk it bears. Therefore, It may help if he is provided with a concrete list= of aggregated metric/parameters, which is intended to outline the =E2=80= =9Cvague big picture=E2=80=9D rather than to capture =E2=80=9Cevery sensiti= ve detail=E2=80=9D.=20 Hence, I would suggest that we start working on a more concrete =E2=80=9Csp= ecification=E2=80=9D about what specific data would be helpful based on the= experience from the research community on working on a general problem.=20 Take the incast problem for instance, the distribution of flow duration/vol= ume traversing a given bottleneck link may be of interest. What do you thin= k? =20 2, Problem statement/analysis I believe it would be of great value to work on further exploring and bette= r understanding the potential problems at least for the early phase of DCLC= . It is essential to have merge the understanding from DC operators (use-case= s/expectations), understanding from general research (e.g. exploration of t= he factors contributing to a given problem and how it would affect the expe= ctations) and the understanding from device manufactures (e.g. device featu= res that triggers the contributing factors and affects operator=E2=80=99s e= xpectation). >From a very high level, three types of use-cases (i.e. delay-sensitive dist= ributed applications, virtualization, and multi-tenancy) and two types of p= roblems (i.e. incast and bufferbloat) have been mentioned in our previous d= iscussion. I would like to invite more input and concrete work on this dire= ction. =20 3, Solutions, of course Original ideas/on-going work/experience on application of existing technolo= gies are all welcome. Comparison or general reasoning among different solut= ions would also be appreciated. =20 4, research/experimental tools Original ideas/on-going work/experience on general simulation platform and = testing guidelines (such as testing methodology and benchmarks) for DCLC re= levant scenarios. (We have not been discussing this on the list, but as I am planning testing= myself, I find it quite desirable and believe it would be a common call.) =20 These are the ideas from my side, any other thoughts or suggestions? =20 Looking forward to your feedback and contribution. =20 Cheers, Lingli ------=_Part_804684_2039310403.1398060698258 Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
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It seemed that my last email did not = get through, so I am resending it via another email account. Sorry if you g= et duplicate copies of the same content.
=  
Looking forward to your comments a= nd contribution.
 
Cheers,
Lingli

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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA= =BA: =E9=82=93=E7=81=B5=E8=8E=89/Lingli Deng [mailto:den= glingli@chinamobile.com]
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=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 'dclc@irtf.org'
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:<= /span> planning for ietf90

 

Hi all,

 

From my impression, I = believe people showed interest in the following topics, and would like to i= nvite further discussion as we start planning for ietf 90.

 

1, Pro= duction data sharing:
It seems it is generally agreed that it would be = both highly desirable and generally hard to get real data from production D= Cs.
I suspect that a security personnel would naturally tend to say =E2= =80=9CNO=E2=80=9D if he is asked to share a piece of raw data without knowi= ng the risk it bears. Therefore, It may help if he is provided with a concr= ete list of aggregated metric/parameters, which is intended to outline the = =E2=80=9Cvague big picture=E2=80=9D rather than to capture =E2=80=9Cevery s= ensitive detail=E2=80=9D.

Hence, I = would suggest that we start working on a more concrete =E2=80=9Cspecificati= on=E2=80=9D about what specific data would be helpful based on the experien= ce from the research community on working on a general problem.

=

Take the incast problem for instance, the dist= ribution of flow duration/volume traversing a given bottleneck link may be = of interest. What do you think?

&nbs= p;

2, Problem statement/analysis

I believe it would be of great value to= work on further exploring and better understanding the potential problems = at least for the early phase of DCLC.

It is essential to have merge the understanding from DC operators (use-ca= ses/expectations), understanding from general research (e.g. exploration of= the factors contributing to a given problem and how it would affect the ex= pectations) and the understanding from device manufactures (e.g. device fea= tures that triggers the contributing factors and affects operator=E2=80=99s= expectation).

From a very high leve= l, three types of use-cases (i.e. delay-sensitive distributed applications,= virtualization, and multi-tenancy) and two types of problems (i.e. incast = and bufferbloat) have been mentioned in our previous discussion. I would li= ke to invite more input and concrete work on this direction.

 

3, S= olutions, of course

Original ideas/o= n-going work/experience on application of existing technologies are all wel= come. Comparison or general reasoning among different solutions would also = be appreciated.

 

4, research/experimental tools

Original ideas/on-going work/experience on general sim= ulation platform and testing guidelines (such as testing methodology and be= nchmarks) for DCLC relevant scenarios.

(We have not been discussing this on the list, but as I am planning test= ing myself, I find it quite desirable and believe it would be a common call= .)

 

These are the ideas from my side, any other thoughts or sugges= tions?

 

Looking forward to your feedback and contribution.<= /p>

 

Cheers,

Lingli

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boundary="Apple-Mail=_B8555500-B73B-4FAC-AC3F-B34FFF6972AE"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dclc/yGWF9AUfJyGsz72BZrtG3VhU9M0 Cc: dclc Subject: Re: [Dclc] planning for ietf90 X-BeenThere: dclc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Data Center Latency Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 22:02:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B8555500-B73B-4FAC-AC3F-B34FFF6972AE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I received your first note, and sent a note to ietf-action to see if we = can get SpamAssassin tuned to appreciate you a little more=E2=80=A6 Other comments inline. On Apr 20, 2014, at 11:11 PM, =E9=82=93=E7=81=B5=E8=8E=89 = wrote: > Hi all, > =20 > It seemed that my last email did not get through, so I am resending it = via another email account. Sorry if you get duplicate copies of the same = content. > =20 > Looking forward to your comments and contribution. > =20 > Cheers, > Lingli >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > <11112014031114574914m7.jpg>=09 > =E9=82=93=E7=81=B5=E8=8E=89 > =E8=81=8C=E5=8A=A1=EF=BC=9A =E7=A0=94=E7=A9=B6=E5=91=98/Researcher > =E5=85=AC=E5=8F=B8=EF=BC=9A =E4=B8=AD=E5=9B=BD=E7=A7=BB=E5=8A=A8=E7=A0= =94=E7=A9=B6=E9=99=A2/China Mobile Research Institute > =E5=9C=B0=E5=9D=80=EF=BC=9A =E5=8C=97=E4=BA=AC=E5=AE=A3=E6=AD=A6=E9=97= =A8=E8=A5=BF=E5=A4=A7=E8=A1=9732=E5=8F=B7/32 Xuanwumenxi Ave, Beijing > =E9=82=AE=E7=AE=B1=EF=BC=9A lingli.deng@139.com > =E6=89=8B=E6=9C=BA=EF=BC=9A 13810597148 > =E9=82=AE=E7=BC=96=EF=BC=9A 100053 > =E6=97=A5=E6=9C=9F=EF=BC=9A 2014=E5=B9=B404=E6=9C=8821=E6=97=A5 = =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80 > =20 > ------------------ =E5=8E=9F=E5=A7=8B=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6 = ------------------ > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: "=E9=82=93=E7=81=B5=E8=8E=89/Lingli Deng" = ; > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014-04-21 13:58:41 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: "lingli.deng" ; > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: (=E6=97=A0); > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: =E8=BD=AC=E5=8F=91: planning for ietf90 > =20 > =20 > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: =E9=82=93=E7=81=B5=E8=8E=89/Lingli Deng = [mailto:denglingli@chinamobile.com]=20 > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2014=E5=B9=B44=E6=9C=8819=E6=97=A5= 10:34 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 'dclc@irtf.org' > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: planning for ietf90 > =20 > Hi all, > =20 > =46rom my impression, I believe people showed interest in the = following topics, and would like to invite further discussion as we = start planning for ietf 90. > =20 > 1, Production data sharing:=20 > It seems it is generally agreed that it would be both highly desirable = and generally hard to get real data from production DCs.=20 > I suspect that a security personnel would naturally tend to say = =E2=80=9CNO=E2=80=9D if he is asked to share a piece of raw data without = knowing the risk it bears. Therefore, It may help if he is provided with = a concrete list of aggregated metric/parameters, which is intended to = outline the =E2=80=9Cvague big picture=E2=80=9D rather than to capture = =E2=80=9Cevery sensitive detail=E2=80=9D. > Hence, I would suggest that we start working on a more concrete = =E2=80=9Cspecification=E2=80=9D about what specific data would be = helpful based on the experience from the research community on working = on a general problem. > Take the incast problem for instance, the distribution of flow = duration/volume traversing a given bottleneck link may be of interest. = What do you think? I agree that a specification of =E2=80=9Cwhat constitutes incast=E2=80=9D = might be useful. Part of that will involve, for example, the worst case = queue depth that happens when an incast event occurs, and how many = communications of what kind are involved. If we ask for a literal = traffic trace, as you say, the risk is high and value is low. However, = if we were to provide some sort of filter that a set of traffic traces = could be fed through might come up with a usable summary of the = information. Suppose, for example, that we were able to place a = wireshark on the links into the bottleneck (Distribution or top-of-rack) = switch leading to a requesting host and leading from the TOR to the = host: Rack +------------+ |Distribution| +----+ | Switch +----+TOR | +------------+ +----+ | | | | +----+ |Host| +----+ | | | | | | +----+ and capture the seconds before to after the event. We should be able to = describe that at the time of the event traffic was arriving into the = rack at , and we saw followed by , followed by = a return to ambient traffic. What I would expect we would observe is = that the traffic before used some percentage of the link in a manner = common to LANs, there was a crunch of data followed by some number of = aftershocks as TCP did timeout retransmissions, and when the system = returned to ambient behavior the competing traffic had largely been = bludgeoned off the link and took a few seconds to recover. We should be = able to describe that using anonymized addresses and not reporting = potentially-private data. I would suggest that the wiresharks be time-synchronized using IEEE = 1588a if possible. Would it make sense to post an internet draft describing this kind of = thing so that anyone could comment and perhaps execute it? > 2, Problem statement/analysis > I believe it would be of great value to work on further exploring and = better understanding the potential problems at least for the early phase = of DCLC. > It is essential to have merge the understanding from DC operators = (use-cases/expectations), understanding from general research (e.g. = exploration of the factors contributing to a given problem and how it = would affect the expectations) and the understanding from device = manufactures (e.g. device features that triggers the contributing = factors and affects operator=E2=80=99s expectation). > =46rom a very high level, three types of use-cases (i.e. = delay-sensitive distributed applications, virtualization, and = multi-tenancy) and two types of problems (i.e. incast and bufferbloat) = have been mentioned in our previous discussion. I would like to invite = more input and concrete work on this direction. Agreed > 3, Solutions, of course > Original ideas/on-going work/experience on application of existing = technologies are all welcome. Comparison or general reasoning among = different solutions would also be appreciated. Agreed > 4, research/experimental tools > Original ideas/on-going work/experience on general simulation platform = and testing guidelines (such as testing methodology and benchmarks) for = DCLC relevant scenarios. > (We have not been discussing this on the list, but as I am planning = testing myself, I find it quite desirable and believe it would be a = common call.) Agreed > These are the ideas from my side, any other thoughts or suggestions? > =20 > Looking forward to your feedback and contribution. > =20 > Cheers, > Lingli > _______________________________________________ > Dclc mailing list > Dclc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/dclc --Apple-Mail=_B8555500-B73B-4FAC-AC3F-B34FFF6972AE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iD8DBQFTWDhcbjEdbHIsm0MRAirHAJ0S30L0rPgB7uFlL5UsfssGznh97wCZAbdM V7MmpmBQPQA1SyhrWrOaioU= =NFpj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_B8555500-B73B-4FAC-AC3F-B34FFF6972AE-- From nobody Wed Apr 23 17:10:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com 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Thread-Topic: wiki Thread-Index: AQHPX5xSxng630LHeUuQ8stnKAyuJQ== Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:05:21 +0000 Message-ID: <44F38DAF-20F1-4CA1-9A34-A71A6367543D@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.26] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8058C813-58C3-4EA7-8C2C-95F370FE75C0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dclc/f-4tqL7oMAME66fE4o47zK7aDfI Subject: [Dclc] wiki X-BeenThere: dclc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Data Center Latency Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:05:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8058C813-58C3-4EA7-8C2C-95F370FE75C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If we need a wiki, there is one here: = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/dclc I think keeping the current charter text, mailing list information, = etc., on that page would be useful. Lars --Apple-Mail=_8058C813-58C3-4EA7-8C2C-95F370FE75C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBU1jT0NZcnpRveo1xAQKFjgP/aXJUJh8929cHKdE5k5XnjF+wJXbBK5JM l/96IHiG41B2B0Ugu646tCNHHRllxJ2MAs2dP4guWk0eH/tjn+RYlCZWWQEHd75t 3octxiXrjk2nhmIoatosYb8vK4StF0SxM2nVlbQoei6K+7hyN0zmIshZhPoDI1Wq YUQBqLMbPyY= =sr+Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_8058C813-58C3-4EA7-8C2C-95F370FE75C0-- From nobody Thu Apr 24 16:55:51 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2911A0440 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:55:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -114.773 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-114.773 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fymRn2l_zFOR for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0311B1A042A for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:55:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2155; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1398383741; x=1399593341; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:mime-version; bh=rLbeVAjcLsAzdr89MM0g5jCU1BRr5jF+ddDrqChZOBE=; b=gZ1vk+MDU5v4LXQJE0gakPqEc2La8+9i2fveVxKxE+nCKsefV5hC09fb oy/vCOeqhEV+KJjE9aQOskDADacqUv12VQcgqRcJuyaUuOPTFVgTayCIJ 3qdKiaXMkW74VY0c0V3G8KktP2aNVQFjHkGIFq8rAKH2sRwGjUYbTqbgT 4=; X-Files: signature.asc : 195 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmIFAO2jWVOtJV2c/2dsb2JhbABWA4MGT1fEHYEeFnSCJQEBAQMBaBYJAgIBGQMBAi8bFxsCCAIEEw6IKwgNq3efFxMEBI1zEQE/AR0LgxOBFQSQc4E3hk+SWYFygT+Bcjk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,922,1389744000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="320196655" Received: from rcdn-core-5.cisco.com ([173.37.93.156]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Apr 2014 23:55:39 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com [173.36.12.88]) by rcdn-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s3ONtdQE012642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:55:39 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.9.100]) by xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com ([173.36.12.88]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:55:39 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: dclc Thread-Topic: [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" Thread-Index: AQHPYBZFBvvB18JflEiuCGctJFOxWg== Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:55:38 +0000 Message-ID: <26A2B1C6-5544-4A9A-9D6C-7F81D1810BD9@cisco.com> References: <20140424233710.653421E1890@c8a.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.21.147.134] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7CDA50E6-84F9-466D-B631-ECAAC979E13C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dclc/McgIYNMe1ReuuZhTBd3e8zVUxsc Subject: [Dclc] Fwd: [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" X-BeenThere: dclc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Data Center Latency Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:55:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7CDA50E6-84F9-466D-B631-ECAAC979E13C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 FYI - I have requested a slot at IETF 90. If the dates or whatever are = wrong, please let me know. Begin forwarded message: > From: IESG > Subject: [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" = status now "IRTF New" > Date: April 24, 2014 at 4:37:10 PM PDT > To: >=20 > Notification for (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" >=20 > ARO URL: = https://www.iesg.org/bin/c5i?mid=3D38&gid=3D0&cid=3D1&rid=3D61&k1=3D6525 >=20 > Update Message: > The status of this Request has changed. > This is a newly-created record. > Its current status is now: "IRTF New". >=20 > Record Detail: > Request: mreq-000301 > Meeting Name: Dtaa Center Latency Control > Requestor Name: Fred Baker > Requestor Email: fred@cisco.com > Requestor Phone: +1-408-526-4257 > Meeting Number: 90 > Desired Meeting Date: 07/25/2014 > Alternate Meeting Date: 07/24/2014 > Number of Days: 1 > Meeting Area/Type: IRTF > Expected Attendance: 25 > Desired Start Time: 13:00:00 > Desired End Time: 15:00:00 > Room Configuration: Conference > Speakerphone: No > LCD Projector: Yes > Food/Beverage: No > Additional Contact Name: Lingli Deng > Additional Contact Email: denglingli@chinamobile.com > Additional Contact Phone:=20 > WG/Company/Affiliate Name:=20 > Assigned Room:=20 > Assigned Date: 00/00/0000 >=20 >=20 >=20 =95 Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler. Albert Einstein --Apple-Mail=_7CDA50E6-84F9-466D-B631-ECAAC979E13C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iD8DBQFTWaR6bjEdbHIsm0MRAt/cAJ9Gw2nC9Q3kv04rQ7kLXeLnahxRfQCfeXMC aZ656VXvDqHgaOapowcrYZQ= =LZo/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_7CDA50E6-84F9-466D-B631-ECAAC979E13C-- From nobody Thu Apr 24 23:22:41 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107221A0438 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:22:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.174 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.174 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qy00FkmjHhfI for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx11.netapp.com (mx11.netapp.com [216.240.18.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F7B1A041F for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:22:33 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,925,1389772800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="119273151" Received: from vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) by mx11-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 24 Apr 2014 23:22:26 -0700 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.246]) by vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:22:25 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "Fred Baker (fred)" Thread-Topic: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" Thread-Index: AQHPYBZFYN/gavYOgU2opMUSNoW/1psiUp0A Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 06:22:25 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20140424233710.653421E1890@c8a.amsl.com> <26A2B1C6-5544-4A9A-9D6C-7F81D1810BD9@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <26A2B1C6-5544-4A9A-9D6C-7F81D1810BD9@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.27] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5551589F-0865-4B6B-8391-48675B29B9B5"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dclc/zFwNlqpTwSi2l5PzDbbBf0vPwC4 Cc: dclc Subject: Re: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" X-BeenThere: dclc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Data Center Latency Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 06:22:39 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5551589F-0865-4B6B-8391-48675B29B9B5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi, just one comment: If you want this meeting to be on the agenda, a room = for 25 will be very small. (For a side meeting, it should be fine.) Lars PS: Well two comments: s/Dtaa/Data/g :-) On 2014-4-25, at 1:55, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > FYI - I have requested a slot at IETF 90. If the dates or whatever are = wrong, please let me know. >=20 > Begin forwarded message: >=20 >> From: IESG >> Subject: [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" = status now "IRTF New" >> Date: April 24, 2014 at 4:37:10 PM PDT >> To: >>=20 >> Notification for (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" >>=20 >> ARO URL: = https://www.iesg.org/bin/c5i?mid=3D38&gid=3D0&cid=3D1&rid=3D61&k1=3D6525 >>=20 >> Update Message: >> The status of this Request has changed. >> This is a newly-created record. >> Its current status is now: "IRTF New". >>=20 >> Record Detail: >> Request: mreq-000301 >> Meeting Name: Dtaa Center Latency Control >> Requestor Name: Fred Baker >> Requestor Email: fred@cisco.com >> Requestor Phone: +1-408-526-4257 >> Meeting Number: 90 >> Desired Meeting Date: 07/25/2014 >> Alternate Meeting Date: 07/24/2014 >> Number of Days: 1 >> Meeting Area/Type: IRTF >> Expected Attendance: 25 >> Desired Start Time: 13:00:00 >> Desired End Time: 15:00:00 >> Room Configuration: Conference >> Speakerphone: No >> LCD Projector: Yes >> Food/Beverage: No >> Additional Contact Name: Lingli Deng >> Additional Contact Email: denglingli@chinamobile.com >> Additional Contact Phone:=20 >> WG/Company/Affiliate Name:=20 >> Assigned Room:=20 >> Assigned Date: 00/00/0000 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > =95 Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler. > Albert Einstein >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dclc mailing list > Dclc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/dclc --Apple-Mail=_5551589F-0865-4B6B-8391-48675B29B9B5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBU1n/INZcnpRveo1xAQJw+QP8DS6dOY8ZSyqY5IFFtWKUGUxSF4/5YKS/ rNR/52ltnFJu6MBZ4SkuH/Rq06TPjtjN3gMscZpyoJCW3MN9aEdVQGM/3WILIyCw 83ljJvnxQ4c3aSnxwnMrQuompY1rDe7hJGerR2/1MawfIkdwPcdXjjDV22oCq5DM 1lpgz0rjByk= =tX0p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_5551589F-0865-4B6B-8391-48675B29B9B5-- From nobody Fri Apr 25 09:38:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A291A0651 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:38:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.773 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.773 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V2fW7MJv3cTD for ; 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25 Apr 2014 16:38:38 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com [173.36.12.88]) by alln-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s3PGccBV003904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:38:38 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.9.100]) by xhc-aln-x14.cisco.com ([173.36.12.88]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 11:38:38 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: "Eggert, Lars" Thread-Topic: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" Thread-Index: AQHPYBZFBvvB18JflEiuCGctJFOxWg== Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:38:37 +0000 Message-ID: <5AAB4B55-BFDF-4423-AA55-94DBD6045626@cisco.com> References: <20140424233710.653421E1890@c8a.amsl.com> <26A2B1C6-5544-4A9A-9D6C-7F81D1810BD9@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.19.64.119] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_995FAFF3-2A9A-4E51-B718-2C3E7CB1D936"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dclc/lkpwxr_XL4VeS_4gFFXptFiWzRY Cc: dclc Subject: Re: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" X-BeenThere: dclc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Data Center Latency Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:38:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_995FAFF3-2A9A-4E51-B718-2C3E7CB1D936 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:22 PM, Eggert, Lars wrote: > Hi, >=20 > just one comment: If you want this meeting to be on the agenda, a room = for 25 will be very small. (For a side meeting, it should be fine.) I got =9325=94 from the size of the mailing list (which isn=92t quite = 25) and the attendance at the London meeting. Happy to be told to plan = for a larger meeting, or a larger room. One observation from planning far too many meetings; in any meeting of = 500 people, there is a group of 10-20 trying to get something done. :-) > Lars >=20 > PS: Well two comments: s/Dtaa/Data/g :-) Is there an obvious way to fix that? Do these, for example, go into a = wiki that I can update? >=20 > On 2014-4-25, at 1:55, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >=20 >> FYI - I have requested a slot at IETF 90. If the dates or whatever = are wrong, please let me know. >>=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >>> From: IESG >>> Subject: [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" = status now "IRTF New" >>> Date: April 24, 2014 at 4:37:10 PM PDT >>> To: >>>=20 >>> Notification for (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" >>>=20 >>> ARO URL: = https://www.iesg.org/bin/c5i?mid=3D38&gid=3D0&cid=3D1&rid=3D61&k1=3D6525 >>>=20 >>> Update Message: >>> The status of this Request has changed. >>> This is a newly-created record. >>> Its current status is now: "IRTF New". >>>=20 >>> Record Detail: >>> Request: mreq-000301 >>> Meeting Name: Dtaa Center Latency Control >>> Requestor Name: Fred Baker >>> Requestor Email: fred@cisco.com >>> Requestor Phone: +1-408-526-4257 >>> Meeting Number: 90 >>> Desired Meeting Date: 07/25/2014 >>> Alternate Meeting Date: 07/24/2014 >>> Number of Days: 1 >>> Meeting Area/Type: IRTF >>> Expected Attendance: 25 >>> Desired Start Time: 13:00:00 >>> Desired End Time: 15:00:00 >>> Room Configuration: Conference >>> Speakerphone: No >>> LCD Projector: Yes >>> Food/Beverage: No >>> Additional Contact Name: Lingli Deng >>> Additional Contact Email: denglingli@chinamobile.com >>> Additional Contact Phone:=20 >>> WG/Company/Affiliate Name:=20 >>> Assigned Room:=20 >>> Assigned Date: 00/00/0000 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> =95 Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler. >> Albert Einstein >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Dclc mailing list >> Dclc@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/dclc >=20 ----------------------------------- "We are learning to do a great many clever things...The next great task will be to learn not to do them." - G. K. Chesterton (1874-1936) --Apple-Mail=_995FAFF3-2A9A-4E51-B718-2C3E7CB1D936 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iD8DBQFTWo+MbjEdbHIsm0MRAlB3AJ9MZoBAo47ONr5fVyN/oyh52C5ywgCdHSi1 CRv4c+83xI7bkmXln4bYc+8= =7gj+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_995FAFF3-2A9A-4E51-B718-2C3E7CB1D936-- From nobody Fri Apr 25 09:40:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4355E1A0657 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:40:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.171 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.171 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xy-NLN3wIDm1 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppsw-51.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-51-v6.csi.cam.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:212:8::e:f51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88191A065D for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:40:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Cam-AntiVirus: no malware found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from ravage.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.1.17]:57813) by ppsw-51.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.159]:25) with esmtpsa (PLAIN:tm444) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) id 1WdjAm-0008Vx-WO (Exim 4.82_3-c0e5623) (return-path ); Fri, 25 Apr 2014 17:40:24 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FE741088-23E2-43E9-A892-13F673425E3B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Toby Moncaster In-Reply-To: <5AAB4B55-BFDF-4423-AA55-94DBD6045626@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 17:40:21 +0100 Message-Id: <34B0CB5A-5791-457B-8ABE-75F2364EA096@cl.cam.ac.uk> References: <20140424233710.653421E1890@c8a.amsl.com> <26A2B1C6-5544-4A9A-9D6C-7F81D1810BD9@cisco.com> <5AAB4B55-BFDF-4423-AA55-94DBD6045626@cisco.com> To: "Fred Baker (fred)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Sender: "T. Moncaster" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dclc/hOWU7e82KCCPa0OCUmhlQgluMq0 Cc: "Eggert, Lars" , dclc Subject: Re: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" X-BeenThere: dclc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Data Center Latency Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:40:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FE741088-23E2-43E9-A892-13F673425E3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I will be absent. though will try to participate remotely (as long as it = isn=92t one of the evening sessions). So can we try to get a room where = that=92s possible?=20 Toby On 25 Apr 2014, at 17:38, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >=20 > On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:22 PM, Eggert, Lars wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> just one comment: If you want this meeting to be on the agenda, a = room for 25 will be very small. (For a side meeting, it should be fine.) >=20 > I got =9325=94 from the size of the mailing list (which isn=92t quite = 25) and the attendance at the London meeting. Happy to be told to plan = for a larger meeting, or a larger room. >=20 > One observation from planning far too many meetings; in any meeting of = 500 people, there is a group of 10-20 trying to get something done. :-) >=20 >> Lars >>=20 >> PS: Well two comments: s/Dtaa/Data/g :-) >=20 > Is there an obvious way to fix that? Do these, for example, go into a = wiki that I can update? >=20 >>=20 >> On 2014-4-25, at 1:55, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >>=20 >>> FYI - I have requested a slot at IETF 90. If the dates or whatever = are wrong, please let me know. >>>=20 >>> Begin forwarded message: >>>=20 >>>> From: IESG >>>> Subject: [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" = status now "IRTF New" >>>> Date: April 24, 2014 at 4:37:10 PM PDT >>>> To: >>>>=20 >>>> Notification for (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency = Control" >>>>=20 >>>> ARO URL: = https://www.iesg.org/bin/c5i?mid=3D38&gid=3D0&cid=3D1&rid=3D61&k1=3D6525 >>>>=20 >>>> Update Message: >>>> The status of this Request has changed. >>>> This is a newly-created record. >>>> Its current status is now: "IRTF New". >>>>=20 >>>> Record Detail: >>>> Request: mreq-000301 >>>> Meeting Name: Dtaa Center Latency Control >>>> Requestor Name: Fred Baker >>>> Requestor Email: fred@cisco.com >>>> Requestor Phone: +1-408-526-4257 >>>> Meeting Number: 90 >>>> Desired Meeting Date: 07/25/2014 >>>> Alternate Meeting Date: 07/24/2014 >>>> Number of Days: 1 >>>> Meeting Area/Type: IRTF >>>> Expected Attendance: 25 >>>> Desired Start Time: 13:00:00 >>>> Desired End Time: 15:00:00 >>>> Room Configuration: Conference >>>> Speakerphone: No >>>> LCD Projector: Yes >>>> Food/Beverage: No >>>> Additional Contact Name: Lingli Deng >>>> Additional Contact Email: denglingli@chinamobile.com >>>> Additional Contact Phone:=20 >>>> WG/Company/Affiliate Name:=20 >>>> Assigned Room:=20 >>>> Assigned Date: 00/00/0000 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> =95 Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler. >>> Albert Einstein >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dclc mailing list >>> Dclc@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/dclc >>=20 >=20 > ----------------------------------- > "We are learning to do a great many clever things...The next great = task > will be to learn not to do them." >=20 > - G. K. Chesterton (1874-1936) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dclc mailing list > Dclc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/dclc --Apple-Mail=_FE741088-23E2-43E9-A892-13F673425E3B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I will = be absent. though will try to participate remotely (as long as it isn=92t = one of the evening sessions). So can we try to get a room where = that=92s = possible? 

Toby

On = 25 Apr 2014, at 17:38, Fred Baker (fred) <fred@cisco.com> wrote:


On = Apr 24, 2014, at 11:22 PM, Eggert, Lars <lars@netapp.com> = wrote:

Hi,

just one comment: If = you want this meeting to be on the agenda, a room for 25 will be very = small. (For a side meeting, it should be fine.)

I = got =9325=94 from the size of the mailing list (which isn=92t quite 25) = and the attendance at the London meeting. Happy to be told to plan for a = larger meeting, or a larger room.

One observation from planning = far too many meetings; in any meeting of 500 people, there is a group of = 10-20 trying to get something done. :-)

Lars

PS: Well two comments: s/Dtaa/Data/g = :-)

Is there an obvious way to fix that? Do these, = for example, go into a wiki that I can update?


On 2014-4-25, at 1:55, Fred Baker (fred) <fred@cisco.com> = wrote:

FYI - I have requested a slot at = IETF 90. If the dates or whatever are wrong, please let me = know.

Begin forwarded message:

From: IESG <help@iesg.org>
Subject: [IESG] = (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF = New"
Date: April 24, 2014 at 4:37:10 PM PDT
To: <fred@cisco.com>

Notification = for (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control"

ARO URL: = https://www.iesg.org/bin/c5i?mid=3D38&gid=3D0&= amp;cid=3D1&rid=3D61&k1=3D6525

Update Message:
The = status of this Request has changed.
This is a newly-created = record.
Its current status is now: "IRTF New".

Record = Detail:
Request: mreq-000301
Meeting Name: Dtaa Center Latency = Control
Requestor Name: Fred Baker
Requestor Email: fred@cisco.com
Requestor Phone: = +1-408-526-4257
Meeting Number: 90
Desired Meeting Date: = 07/25/2014
Alternate Meeting Date: 07/24/2014
Number of Days: = 1
Meeting Area/Type: IRTF
Expected Attendance: 25
Desired Start = Time: 13:00:00
Desired End Time: 15:00:00
Room Configuration: = Conference
Speakerphone: No
LCD Projector: Yes
Food/Beverage: = No
Additional Contact Name: Lingli Deng
Additional Contact Email: = denglingli@chinamobile.com<= br>Additional Contact Phone: 
WG/Company/Affiliate = Name: 
Assigned = Room: 
Assigned = Date: 00/00/0000




=95 Make = things as simple as possible, but not simpler.
Albert = Einstein

_______________________________________________
Dclc = mailing list
Dclc@irtf.org
https://www.irtf.org/ma= ilman/listinfo/dclc


-----------------= ------------------
"We are learning to do a great many clever = things...The next great task
will be to learn not to do = them."

- G. K. Chesterton = (1874-1936)




___________________________________________= ____
Dclc mailing list
Dclc@irtf.org
https://www.irtf.org/m= ailman/listinfo/dclc

= --Apple-Mail=_FE741088-23E2-43E9-A892-13F673425E3B-- From nobody Fri Apr 25 09:58:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94571A05D3 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:58:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -114.772 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-114.772 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vIgsudnd8RSx for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7581A05CB for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:58:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=12322; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1398445095; x=1399654695; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=+gbPcaAMwzKc8kdW7G0qeuIheK4ugNHq5cW2mL+cySc=; b=HdvVnkMY2APexvpcnb48PHPniXwTk5XPFdDcNv6qSN8npTfioMRKqoMI rN/B8tDan5x5/JIAA6gUYXp7ctS5HqUbT8BJfEouZQpSpyfLuw7Wj86be GPl3J+rN5xH3+xrqjb1/iF/Eyp2d1EPUvdghHMztlFiVDTiimf9MXgN8u E=; X-Files: signature.asc : 195 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFACiTWlOtJA2E/2dsb2JhbABWAw6CeE9XvGeHOIETFnSCJQEBAQMBAQEBZQUBCwUJAgIBCBEDAQIBLhsMCx0IAgQOBQ6IKwgNqxqfGhMEBI1zDgMBJBsBDAQHBguDE4EVBIU6i0GBOIZSklyBcn9AgXI5 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,928,1389744000"; d="asc'?scan'208,217";a="317320805" Received: from alln-core-10.cisco.com ([173.36.13.132]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Apr 2014 16:58:14 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x01.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x01.cisco.com [173.36.12.75]) by alln-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s3PGwC5e006083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:58:13 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.9.100]) by xhc-aln-x01.cisco.com ([173.36.12.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 11:58:12 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: Toby Moncaster Thread-Topic: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" Thread-Index: AQHPYBZFBvvB18JflEiuCGctJFOxWg== Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:58:11 +0000 Message-ID: <467173E8-564E-4E16-A2E0-65A2056EA147@cisco.com> References: <20140424233710.653421E1890@c8a.amsl.com> <26A2B1C6-5544-4A9A-9D6C-7F81D1810BD9@cisco.com> <5AAB4B55-BFDF-4423-AA55-94DBD6045626@cisco.com> <34B0CB5A-5791-457B-8ABE-75F2364EA096@cl.cam.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <34B0CB5A-5791-457B-8ABE-75F2364EA096@cl.cam.ac.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.19.64.119] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3F51EABE-D92D-4140-A57C-98A226F34766"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dclc/-PXHx37VJPslg-IfiWb_9Y1CaWo Cc: "Eggert, Lars" , dclc Subject: Re: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" X-BeenThere: dclc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Data Center Latency Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:58:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3F51EABE-D92D-4140-A57C-98A226F34766 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A98C8DDC-DD65-44BB-B426-71BF973F1780" --Apple-Mail=_A98C8DDC-DD65-44BB-B426-71BF973F1780 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Apr 25, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Toby Moncaster = wrote: > I will be absent. though will try to participate remotely (as long as = it isn=92t one of the evening sessions). So can we try to get a room = where that=92s possible?=20 I didn=92t request a telephone in the room; if I can update the meeting = arrangement, I can request that or Meetecho. I=92ll drop a note to Marcia (aka agenda@) and see what the options are. > Toby >=20 > On 25 Apr 2014, at 17:38, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:22 PM, Eggert, Lars wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> just one comment: If you want this meeting to be on the agenda, a = room for 25 will be very small. (For a side meeting, it should be fine.) >>=20 >> I got =9325=94 from the size of the mailing list (which isn=92t quite = 25) and the attendance at the London meeting. Happy to be told to plan = for a larger meeting, or a larger room. >>=20 >> One observation from planning far too many meetings; in any meeting = of 500 people, there is a group of 10-20 trying to get something done. = :-) >>=20 >>> Lars >>>=20 >>> PS: Well two comments: s/Dtaa/Data/g :-) >>=20 >> Is there an obvious way to fix that? Do these, for example, go into a = wiki that I can update? >>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 2014-4-25, at 1:55, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >>>=20 >>>> FYI - I have requested a slot at IETF 90. If the dates or whatever = are wrong, please let me know. >>>>=20 >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>=20 >>>>> From: IESG >>>>> Subject: [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency = Control" status now "IRTF New" >>>>> Date: April 24, 2014 at 4:37:10 PM PDT >>>>> To: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Notification for (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency = Control" >>>>>=20 >>>>> ARO URL: = https://www.iesg.org/bin/c5i?mid=3D38&gid=3D0&cid=3D1&rid=3D61&k1=3D6525 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Update Message: >>>>> The status of this Request has changed. >>>>> This is a newly-created record. >>>>> Its current status is now: "IRTF New". >>>>>=20 >>>>> Record Detail: >>>>> Request: mreq-000301 >>>>> Meeting Name: Dtaa Center Latency Control >>>>> Requestor Name: Fred Baker >>>>> Requestor Email: fred@cisco.com >>>>> Requestor Phone: +1-408-526-4257 >>>>> Meeting Number: 90 >>>>> Desired Meeting Date: 07/25/2014 >>>>> Alternate Meeting Date: 07/24/2014 >>>>> Number of Days: 1 >>>>> Meeting Area/Type: IRTF >>>>> Expected Attendance: 25 >>>>> Desired Start Time: 13:00:00 >>>>> Desired End Time: 15:00:00 >>>>> Room Configuration: Conference >>>>> Speakerphone: No >>>>> LCD Projector: Yes >>>>> Food/Beverage: No >>>>> Additional Contact Name: Lingli Deng >>>>> Additional Contact Email: denglingli@chinamobile.com >>>>> Additional Contact Phone:=20 >>>>> WG/Company/Affiliate Name:=20 >>>>> Assigned Room:=20 >>>>> Assigned Date: 00/00/0000 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> =95 Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler. >>>> Albert Einstein >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dclc mailing list >>>> Dclc@irtf.org >>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/dclc >>>=20 >>=20 >> ----------------------------------- >> "We are learning to do a great many clever things...The next great = task >> will be to learn not to do them." >>=20 >> - G. K. Chesterton (1874-1936) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Dclc mailing list >> Dclc@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/dclc >=20 ----------------------------------- "We are learning to do a great many clever things...The next great task will be to learn not to do them." - G. K. Chesterton (1874-1936) --Apple-Mail=_A98C8DDC-DD65-44BB-B426-71BF973F1780 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
On Apr 25, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Toby = Moncaster <toby.moncaster@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

I will = be absent. though will try to participate remotely (as long as it isn=92t = one of the evening sessions). So can we try to get a room where = that=92s possible? 

I didn=92t request a telephone = in the room; if I can update the meeting arrangement, I can request that = or Meetecho.

I=92ll drop a note to Marcia (aka = agenda@) and see what the options = are.

Toby



On = Apr 24, 2014, at 11:22 PM, Eggert, Lars <lars@netapp.com> = wrote:

Hi,

just one comment: If = you want this meeting to be on the agenda, a room for 25 will be very = small. (For a side meeting, it should be fine.)

I = got =9325=94 from the size of the mailing list (which isn=92t quite 25) = and the attendance at the London meeting. Happy to be told to plan for a = larger meeting, or a larger room.

One observation from planning = far too many meetings; in any meeting of 500 people, there is a group of = 10-20 trying to get something done. :-)

Lars

PS: Well two comments: s/Dtaa/Data/g = :-)

Is there an obvious way to fix that? Do these, = for example, go into a wiki that I can update?


On 2014-4-25, at 1:55, Fred Baker (fred) <fred@cisco.com> = wrote:

FYI - I have requested a slot at = IETF 90. If the dates or whatever are wrong, please let me = know.

Begin forwarded message:

From: IESG <help@iesg.org>
Subject: [IESG] = (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF = New"
Date: April 24, 2014 at 4:37:10 PM PDT
To: <fred@cisco.com>

Notification = for (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control"

ARO URL: = https://www.iesg.org/bin/c5i?mid=3D38&gid=3D0&= amp;cid=3D1&rid=3D61&k1=3D6525

Update Message:
The = status of this Request has changed.
This is a newly-created = record.
Its current status is now: "IRTF New".

Record = Detail:
Request: mreq-000301
Meeting Name: Dtaa Center Latency = Control
Requestor Name: Fred Baker
Requestor Email: fred@cisco.com
Requestor Phone: = +1-408-526-4257
Meeting Number: 90
Desired Meeting Date: = 07/25/2014
Alternate Meeting Date: 07/24/2014
Number of Days: = 1
Meeting Area/Type: IRTF
Expected Attendance: 25
Desired Start = Time: 13:00:00
Desired End Time: 15:00:00
Room Configuration: = Conference
Speakerphone: No
LCD Projector: Yes
Food/Beverage: = No
Additional Contact Name: Lingli Deng
Additional Contact Email: = denglingli@chinamobile.com<= br>Additional Contact Phone: 
WG/Company/Affiliate = Name: 
Assigned = Room: 
Assigned = Date: 00/00/0000




=95 Make = things as simple as possible, but not simpler.
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= --Apple-Mail=_A98C8DDC-DD65-44BB-B426-71BF973F1780-- --Apple-Mail=_3F51EABE-D92D-4140-A57C-98A226F34766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iD8DBQFTWpQibjEdbHIsm0MRAvZyAKC7qGyfMDhvyjKp1j6dsc3/Ya7/HQCg3GG2 8zFRS/ADkuDfx5OlFJqxLgo= =O/zW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_3F51EABE-D92D-4140-A57C-98A226F34766-- From nobody Fri Apr 25 12:06:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF381A06C3 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:06:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.822 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.822 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rurq-FARuVSf for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsrv.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de (mailsrv.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.170.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA2B1A06E5 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 12:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netsrv1.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de (netsrv1-c [10.11.12.12]) by mailsrv.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807726021A; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 21:06:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vpn-2-cl195 (vpn-2-cl195 [10.41.21.195]) by netsrv1.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6299060218; Fri, 25 Apr 2014 21:06:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Mirja Kuehlewind Organization: University of Stuttgart (Germany), IKR To: dclc@irtf.org Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 21:06:40 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 (enterprise35 0.20101217.1207316) References: <20140424233710.653421E1890@c8a.amsl.com> <34B0CB5A-5791-457B-8ABE-75F2364EA096@cl.cam.ac.uk> <467173E8-564E-4E16-A2E0-65A2056EA147@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <467173E8-564E-4E16-A2E0-65A2056EA147@cisco.com> X-KMail-QuotePrefix: > MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201404252106.40933.mirja.kuehlewind@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de> Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dclc/b2kIPmibH92FdC0IxXAx-ap1_g4 Cc: "Fred Baker \(fred\)" Subject: Re: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" X-BeenThere: dclc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Data Center Latency Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 19:06:56 -0000 I also don't know yet if I will be in Toronto. Some kind of audio would be= =20 great, as I definitely would like to participate remotely. Thanks! Mirja On Friday 25 April 2014 18:58:11 Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > On Apr 25, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Toby Moncaster = =20 wrote: > > I will be absent. though will try to participate remotely (as long as it > > isn=E2=80=99t one of the evening sessions). So can we try to get a room= where > > that=E2=80=99s possible? > > I didn=E2=80=99t request a telephone in the room; if I can update the mee= ting > arrangement, I can request that or Meetecho. > > I=E2=80=99ll drop a note to Marcia (aka agenda@) and see what the options= are. > > > Toby > > > > On 25 Apr 2014, at 17:38, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > >> On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:22 PM, Eggert, Lars wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> just one comment: If you want this meeting to be on the agenda, a room > >>> for 25 will be very small. (For a side meeting, it should be fine.) > >> > >> I got =E2=80=9C25=E2=80=9D from the size of the mailing list (which is= n=E2=80=99t quite 25) and > >> the attendance at the London meeting. Happy to be told to plan for a > >> larger meeting, or a larger room. > >> > >> One observation from planning far too many meetings; in any meeting of > >> 500 people, there is a group of 10-20 trying to get something done. :-) > >> > >>> Lars > >>> > >>> PS: Well two comments: s/Dtaa/Data/g :-) > >> > >> Is there an obvious way to fix that? Do these, for example, go into a > >> wiki that I can update? > >> > >>> On 2014-4-25, at 1:55, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > >>>> FYI - I have requested a slot at IETF 90. If the dates or whatever a= re > >>>> wrong, please let me know. > >>>> > >>>> Begin forwarded message: > >>>>> From: IESG > >>>>> Subject: [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" > >>>>> status now "IRTF New" Date: April 24, 2014 at 4:37:10 PM PDT > >>>>> To: > >>>>> > >>>>> Notification for (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" > >>>>> > >>>>> ARO URL: > >>>>> https://www.iesg.org/bin/c5i?mid=3D38&gid=3D0&cid=3D1&rid=3D61&k1= =3D6525 > >>>>> > >>>>> Update Message: > >>>>> The status of this Request has changed. > >>>>> This is a newly-created record. > >>>>> Its current status is now: "IRTF New". > >>>>> > >>>>> Record Detail: > >>>>> Request: mreq-000301 > >>>>> Meeting Name: Dtaa Center Latency Control > >>>>> Requestor Name: Fred Baker > >>>>> Requestor Email: fred@cisco.com > >>>>> Requestor Phone: +1-408-526-4257 > >>>>> Meeting Number: 90 > >>>>> Desired Meeting Date: 07/25/2014 > >>>>> Alternate Meeting Date: 07/24/2014 > >>>>> Number of Days: 1 > >>>>> Meeting Area/Type: IRTF > >>>>> Expected Attendance: 25 > >>>>> Desired Start Time: 13:00:00 > >>>>> Desired End Time: 15:00:00 > >>>>> Room Configuration: Conference > >>>>> Speakerphone: No > >>>>> LCD Projector: Yes > >>>>> Food/Beverage: No > >>>>> Additional Contact Name: Lingli Deng > >>>>> Additional Contact Email: denglingli@chinamobile.com > >>>>> Additional Contact Phone: > >>>>> WG/Company/Affiliate Name: > >>>>> Assigned Room: > >>>>> Assigned Date: 00/00/0000 > >>>> > >>>> =E2=80=A2 Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler. > >>>> Albert Einstein > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Dclc mailing list > >>>> Dclc@irtf.org > >>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/dclc > >> > >> ----------------------------------- > >> "We are learning to do a great many clever things...The next great task > >> will be to learn not to do them." > >> > >> - G. K. Chesterton (1874-1936) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Dclc mailing list > >> Dclc@irtf.org > >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/dclc > > ----------------------------------- > "We are learning to do a great many clever things...The next great task > will be to learn not to do them." > > - G. K. Chesterton (1874-1936) =2D-=20 =2D------------------------------------------------------------------ Dipl.-Ing. Mirja K=C3=BChlewind Institute of Communication Networks and Computer Engineering (IKR) University of Stuttgart, Germany Pfaffenwaldring 47, D-70569 Stuttgart tel: +49(0)711/685-67973 email: mirja.kuehlewind@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de web: www.ikr.uni-stuttgart.de =2D------------------------------------------------------------------ From nobody Sat Apr 26 02:06:04 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C7A1A03C3 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2014 02:06:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.174 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.174 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zCaUchmDZut1 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2014 02:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx11.netapp.com (mx11.netapp.com [216.240.18.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F3A1A0458 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2014 02:05:56 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,932,1389772800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="119467632" Received: from vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.239]) by mx11-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 26 Apr 2014 02:05:48 -0700 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.246]) by vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.239]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Sat, 26 Apr 2014 02:05:48 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "Fred Baker (fred)" Thread-Topic: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" Thread-Index: AQHPYBZFYN/gavYOgU2opMUSNoW/1psiUp0AgACsK4CAARPMAA== Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:05:48 +0000 Message-ID: <26968AD3-688C-4037-8785-D4DB91D5FBA2@netapp.com> References: <20140424233710.653421E1890@c8a.amsl.com> <26A2B1C6-5544-4A9A-9D6C-7F81D1810BD9@cisco.com> <5AAB4B55-BFDF-4423-AA55-94DBD6045626@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <5AAB4B55-BFDF-4423-AA55-94DBD6045626@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.22] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_470FB26F-D19F-46FD-94C9-BA1770728E01"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dclc/YkjFsp8CnZmnsX1PWUJx0-gGxNQ Cc: dclc Subject: Re: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" X-BeenThere: dclc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Data Center Latency Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:06:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_470FB26F-D19F-46FD-94C9-BA1770728E01 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi, On 2014-4-25, at 18:38, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >> just one comment: If you want this meeting to be on the agenda, a = room for 25 will be very small. (For a side meeting, it should be fine.) >=20 > I got =9325=94 from the size of the mailing list (which isn=92t quite = 25) and the attendance at the London meeting. Happy to be told to plan = for a larger meeting, or a larger room. >=20 > One observation from planning far too many meetings; in any meeting of = 500 people, there is a group of 10-20 trying to get something done. :-) right. The basic question is if we want this meeting to be on or off the = agenda. If it's on the agenda, there WILL be new people showing up. It's OK to = tell them to leave if the room is too small, but we can also get a = bigger room and ask the active participants to come sit upfront, so that = discussions are easy. > Is there an obvious way to fix that? Do these, for example, go into a = wiki that I can update? I'll put a comment into the tracker when I approve the room. But I = wanted to double check on the size first. Lars --Apple-Mail=_470FB26F-D19F-46FD-94C9-BA1770728E01 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBU1t26dZcnpRveo1xAQKPoQP9GGxpJ0c7Gr4wrF06MxECZIuWKR4XLywj LjKb9QRTUZHMH1A94F3/BA2gLfVNN2S1qjfXWoA/g1fIzADnYgPT44mDJ2HWQeOA mTA3YlZttFWLKqOuKyb+aec6ZSdnQZqi6eLaRluGjGzEZUGqktEuQ3EHuRaonQGO FSI+ySf8qKM= =0E2R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_470FB26F-D19F-46FD-94C9-BA1770728E01-- From nobody Sat Apr 26 10:34:59 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E17B1A0639 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2014 10:34:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -114.773 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-114.773 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3yH2oJorn3RX for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2014 10:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABC51A03E4 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2014 10:34:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1202; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1398533690; x=1399743290; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=NQ945mbyHRiMeNwtpptRCswzmMj3fxypv0zipA0Zb7Y=; b=en8C/n2Ah0NVnnfsePJAtxAsCxlegD6B9xd6uhQN6EJxAOPoE/M7/4lu cToRejjm9dweqqS0WY2UcuVZkd3MRvwGngh2w7FPYBrKwt+sz1W27T4/b rs+ZHhD2Zdb7G64b+sOnW6ByZIlbFMqpl55TpZjpLjnp9WyYE67OspdkH c=; X-Files: signature.asc : 195 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFACTtW1OtJA2I/2dsb2JhbABYgwaBJsRegQsWdIIlAQEBAwF5EAIBCEYyJQIEDgUOiCsIyXAXjlkHgySBFQEDkQGBOIZTkl6BcoE/gis X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,934,1389744000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="320617247" Received: from alln-core-3.cisco.com ([173.36.13.136]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Apr 2014 17:34:50 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com [173.36.12.82]) by alln-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s3QHYncv025238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Sat, 26 Apr 2014 17:34:49 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.9.100]) by xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com ([173.36.12.82]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Sat, 26 Apr 2014 12:34:49 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: "Eggert, Lars" Thread-Topic: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" Thread-Index: AQHPYXXSb57Hk7TVNEajNUu+OOr00w== Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 17:34:48 +0000 Message-ID: <4F5815A0-9BE8-449B-A86A-0E8905FDF6B6@cisco.com> References: <20140424233710.653421E1890@c8a.amsl.com> <26A2B1C6-5544-4A9A-9D6C-7F81D1810BD9@cisco.com> <5AAB4B55-BFDF-4423-AA55-94DBD6045626@cisco.com> <26968AD3-688C-4037-8785-D4DB91D5FBA2@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <26968AD3-688C-4037-8785-D4DB91D5FBA2@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.19.64.119] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_29B89CC3-72ED-4A10-89C4-8D692B078DA9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dclc/CjHkYOReDdlMJOaZYTFN88Jp9lU Cc: dclc Subject: Re: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" X-BeenThere: dclc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Data Center Latency Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 17:34:58 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_29B89CC3-72ED-4A10-89C4-8D692B078DA9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Apr 26, 2014, at 2:05 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote: >> Is there an obvious way to fix that? Do these, for example, go into a = wiki that I can update? >=20 > I'll put a comment into the tracker when I approve the room. But I = wanted to double check on the size first. What is the smallest =93main=94 room? I would expect that the upper = bound might be the set of people that show up for ICCRG (is that 200?) = or AQM (more like 50). What would you suggest a reasonable upper bound = is? --Apple-Mail=_29B89CC3-72ED-4A10-89C4-8D692B078DA9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iD8DBQFTW+41bjEdbHIsm0MRAj5UAKDj77Bi/B8j9J3cFDC3WXcGbOioJwCg2GSY g7ziIx7DS0coaXMKWnnptcY= =9RYk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_29B89CC3-72ED-4A10-89C4-8D692B078DA9-- From nobody Sun Apr 27 02:57:52 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A501A0788 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 02:57:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.174 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.174 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FkIZIcmu3_ww for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 02:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.netapp.com (mx1.netapp.com [216.240.18.38]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3E21A00FF for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 02:57:48 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,936,1389772800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="322512005" Received: from vmwexceht05-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.35]) by mx1-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 27 Apr 2014 02:57:42 -0700 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.246]) by vmwexceht05-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.35]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 02:57:41 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "Fred Baker (fred)" Thread-Topic: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" Thread-Index: AQHPYBZFYN/gavYOgU2opMUSNoW/1psiUp0AgACsK4CAARPMAIAAjjwAgAESm4A= Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 09:57:40 +0000 Message-ID: <6240CFC4-68ED-483D-B10D-8BC13FC93474@netapp.com> References: <20140424233710.653421E1890@c8a.amsl.com> <26A2B1C6-5544-4A9A-9D6C-7F81D1810BD9@cisco.com> <5AAB4B55-BFDF-4423-AA55-94DBD6045626@cisco.com> <26968AD3-688C-4037-8785-D4DB91D5FBA2@netapp.com> <4F5815A0-9BE8-449B-A86A-0E8905FDF6B6@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4F5815A0-9BE8-449B-A86A-0E8905FDF6B6@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.25] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C5A56603-D67B-4F85-B2FB-A4669BCA4237"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dclc/hmJIn9C5pypKnS3IIdwl46Ake1c Cc: dclc Subject: Re: [Dclc] [IESG] (Request mreq-000301) "Dtaa Center Latency Control" status now "IRTF New" X-BeenThere: dclc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Data Center Latency Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 09:57:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C5A56603-D67B-4F85-B2FB-A4669BCA4237 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Ask Marcia about the room size; depends on the hotel. I'd ask for 100 people if it's on the agenda. On 2014-4-26, at 19:34, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >=20 > On Apr 26, 2014, at 2:05 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote: >=20 >>> Is there an obvious way to fix that? Do these, for example, go into = a wiki that I can update? >>=20 >> I'll put a comment into the tracker when I approve the room. But I = wanted to double check on the size first. >=20 > What is the smallest =93main=94 room? I would expect that the upper = bound might be the set of people that show up for ICCRG (is that 200?) = or AQM (more like 50). What would you suggest a reasonable upper bound = is? > _______________________________________________ > Dclc mailing list > Dclc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/dclc --Apple-Mail=_C5A56603-D67B-4F85-B2FB-A4669BCA4237 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBU1zUlNZcnpRveo1xAQLIWQQAtcJY9k4YJ1VXQFWGQWBMaQ1KrttsPrFP tb+iHW4UgJeGQy/jP9FmzQDjHGcZSp3rUiG9sSx7sJW1lYLeej63AKbraHn+TcMu thXOpo/lmxQwdx8OJlmeD4M085W/wYTgJdulvyVcPFRi9hHGwocwb5ydTGAvgLWQ V/SU8T6ygM0= =iWle -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_C5A56603-D67B-4F85-B2FB-A4669BCA4237-- From ziyao.xzy@alibaba-inc.com Sun Apr 27 22:41:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dclc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B767C1A0707 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 22:41:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.399 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Druc9kwmAbqx for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 22:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out4133-82.mail.aliyun.com (out4133-82.mail.aliyun.com [42.120.133.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF86F1A06F1 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 22:41:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alibaba-inc.com; s=default; t=1398663677; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type; bh=FF7PxWR/GdEbWAj3ju3fQnyobh+0UuLwqDTyYDb3QRY=; b=YtqShTFAWQmwipARz3K0f2Egk929DO6iGpsKZ8hMP4RYdL6hXKMNTP68HoGFRCTk+gLWUCp5ZzrrmbmdxNwIQZ62o+4YtWmQcb25u/hR1rVe17oA6jmfIGS/xGETcdXF5iN9VJL7jQurvoU2mGfBalYfA8iF5MR6LSt5jQDYNR8= X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=PASS; BC=-1|-1; BR=01201311R101e4; FP=0|-1|-1|-1|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=r46d02037; MF=ziyao.xzy@alibaba-inc.com; PH=DS; RN=1; RT=1; SR=0; Received: from 10.32.240.30(mailfrom:ziyao.xzy@alibaba-inc.com ip:182.92.253.17) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(127.0.0.1); Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:41:13 +0800 Message-ID: <535DE9F9.9030208@alibaba-inc.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:41:13 +0800 From: "=?GBK?B?0Ozo99KrKLrA7sgp?=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dclc_maillist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dclc/S4lDEpxReuQrIVjrjy3mqZCMZOg Subject: [Dclc] Glad to join in dclc discussion group! X-BeenThere: dclc@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of Data Center Latency Control List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 05:41:59 -0000 Hi all, I am interested in this proposal and glad to follow up the discussion. We are building internal VDI environment to prevent data leak in our company, and would like to execute the testing cases if convinient and provide some testing results in the future. -- 徐梓耀(豪钊)--Ziyao Xu(Hao Zhao) Tel:+86-10-65985888-17424 阿里巴巴（安全部）--Alibaba(Security Dept.) 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