From spromano@unina.it Wed Nov 2 10:02:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F5F11E8114 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:02:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gpXfngkrbiQo for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.unina.it (smtp2.unina.it [192.132.34.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C769011E80F8 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [143.225.229.230] ([143.225.229.230]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.unina.it (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pA2H1x3X013920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:02:00 +0100 Message-ID: <4EB17784.9090906@unina.it> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 18:01:56 +0100 From: Simon Pietro Romano User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; it; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcon@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Brian Rosen , Gonzalo Camarillo , Robert Sparks Subject: [dcon] DCON BOF preliminary agenda X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 17:02:10 -0000 Dear all, the preliminary agenda of the DCON BOF is now online at: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/agenda/dcon.txt Cheers, Simon -- _\\|//_ ( O-O ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Simon Pietro Romano Universita' di Napoli Federico II Computer Science Department Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7684219 e-mail: spromano@unina.it http://www.comics.unina.it/simonpietro.romano <>. Magritte. oooO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~( )~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ From gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com Mon Nov 7 06:22:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C72721F8B7E for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 06:22:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nHJEtM6RjHtj for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 06:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (mailgw10.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74A321F8801 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 06:22:28 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3d-b7c26ae0000035b9-cf-4eb7e9a34dc9 Received: from esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 74.9E.13753.3A9E7BE4; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:22:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [131.160.36.112] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0197.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.88) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.137.0; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:22:27 +0100 Message-ID: <4EB7E9A3.4010102@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:22:27 +0200 From: Gonzalo Camarillo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Pietro Romano References: <4EB17784.9090906@unina.it> In-Reply-To: <4EB17784.9090906@unina.it> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: "dcon@ietf.org" , Brian Rosen , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [dcon] DCON BOF preliminary agenda X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:22:33 -0000 Hi, the IETF is getting closer. Now it would be a good time to start discussions on any issue that may not be clear enough in the proposed charter. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dcon/current/msg00002.html Cheers, Gonzalo On 02/11/2011 7:01 PM, Simon Pietro Romano wrote: > Dear all, > > the preliminary agenda of the DCON BOF is now online at: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/82/agenda/dcon.txt > > Cheers, > > Simon > > From pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu Mon Nov 7 10:02:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C3F11E808E for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:02:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.197, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16gvTsQHIqdM for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6FF11E808B for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uHx71h00427AodY54J2S2x; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:02:26 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([24.62.229.5]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uJ2R1h01207duvL3fJ2RT8; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:02:26 +0000 Message-ID: <4EB81D2F.5020800@alum.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:02:23 -0500 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcon@ietf.org References: <4EB17784.9090906@unina.it> <4EB7E9A3.4010102@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4EB7E9A3.4010102@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [dcon] DCON BOF preliminary agenda X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:02:26 -0000 On 11/7/11 9:22 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > Hi, > > the IETF is getting closer. Now it would be a good time to start > discussions on any issue that may not be clear enough in the proposed > charter. > > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dcon/current/msg00002.html I find one gaping hole in the charter: *Why* is this work being undertaken? What advantages are expected from this compared to using basic xcon? Thanks, Paul From spromano@unina.it Mon Nov 7 10:58:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6836111E8086 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:58:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jLf98LJxD7XR for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.unina.it (smtp1.unina.it [192.132.34.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A96A21F8AB9 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [143.225.229.230] ([143.225.229.230]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.unina.it (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pA7IwQaG003896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:58:28 +0100 Message-ID: <4EB82A52.9050205@unina.it> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:58:26 +0100 From: Simon Pietro Romano User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcon@ietf.org References: <4EB17784.9090906@unina.it> <4EB7E9A3.4010102@ericsson.com> <4EB81D2F.5020800@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <4EB81D2F.5020800@alum.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [dcon] DCON BOF preliminary agenda X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:58:31 -0000 > *Why* is this work being undertaken? > What advantages are expected from this compared to using basic xcon? What about improving scalability, as well as resilience? Simon Il 07/11/2011 19:02, Paul Kyzivat ha scritto: > On 11/7/11 9:22 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: >> Hi, >> >> the IETF is getting closer. Now it would be a good time to start >> discussions on any issue that may not be clear enough in the proposed >> charter. >> >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dcon/current/msg00002.html > > I find one gaping hole in the charter: > > *Why* is this work being undertaken? > What advantages are expected from this compared to using basic xcon? > > Thanks, > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > dcon mailing list > dcon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcon > -- _\\|//_ ( O-O ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Simon Pietro Romano Universita' di Napoli Federico II Computer Science Department Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7684219 e-mail: spromano@unina.it http://www.comics.unina.it/simonpietro.romano <>. Magritte. oooO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~( )~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ From pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu Tue Nov 8 09:02:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4132221F8BE7 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:02:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.412 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.412 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.187, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id papdhILLRN15 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B4721F8BDE for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uclS1h0071swQuc51h2uXc; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:02:54 +0000 Received: from Paul-Kyzivats-MacBook-Pro.local ([24.62.229.5]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uh2u1h00A07duvL3bh2uaj; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:02:54 +0000 Message-ID: <4EB960BB.6010502@alum.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:02:51 -0500 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcon@ietf.org References: <4EB17784.9090906@unina.it> <4EB7E9A3.4010102@ericsson.com> <4EB81D2F.5020800@alum.mit.edu> <4EB82A52.9050205@unina.it> In-Reply-To: <4EB82A52.9050205@unina.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [dcon] DCON BOF preliminary agenda X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:02:55 -0000 On 11/7/11 1:58 PM, Simon Pietro Romano wrote: >> *Why* is this work being undertaken? >> What advantages are expected from this compared to using basic xcon? > > What about improving scalability, as well as resilience? Those sound like admirable goals. Scalability is the one that first came to my mind. Resilience could be another one, but including it will constrain the solution. So it would be good to clarify whether, and to what extent, resilience is a goal. Will we get agreement that this is a goal? My point is that the goals ought to be mentioned in the charter. Without, we will never know whether the ultimate solution meets the goals. Adding them to the charter will then probably lead to (later, as a WG deliverable) refining them into a more fine-grained set of requirements for the mechanism. Thanks, Paul > Simon > > Il 07/11/2011 19:02, Paul Kyzivat ha scritto: >> On 11/7/11 9:22 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> the IETF is getting closer. Now it would be a good time to start >>> discussions on any issue that may not be clear enough in the proposed >>> charter. >>> >>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dcon/current/msg00002.html >> >> I find one gaping hole in the charter: >> >> *Why* is this work being undertaken? >> What advantages are expected from this compared to using basic xcon? >> >> Thanks, >> Paul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dcon mailing list >> dcon@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcon >> > From spromano@unina.it Wed Nov 9 00:18:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97BF21F8B4D for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 00:18:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7sZSQr+FmBAd for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 00:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.unina.it (smtp1.unina.it [192.132.34.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A51221F8B4A for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 00:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([151.77.152.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.unina.it (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pA98IXOI010014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:18:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4EBA3756.4060108@unina.it> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:18:30 +0100 From: Simon Pietro Romano User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Kyzivat References: <4EB17784.9090906@unina.it> <4EB7E9A3.4010102@ericsson.com> <4EB81D2F.5020800@alum.mit.edu> <4EB82A52.9050205@unina.it> <4EB960BB.6010502@alum.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <4EB960BB.6010502@alum.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: dcon@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dcon] DCON BOF preliminary agenda X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:18:42 -0000 Paul, > Those sound like admirable goals. > > Scalability is the one that first came to my mind. Sure, and in fact it is the one I explicitly mentioned (perhaps with too little emphasis) in the charter text. > > Resilience could be another one, but including it will constrain the > solution. So it would be good to clarify whether, and to what extent, > resilience is a goal. Will we get agreement that this is a goal? Right. I would personally like to include (at least some 'well-defined' form of) resilience, but I know this calls for more work in the potential WG to come. I think this should be one of the discussion points associated with the charter, in Taipei. Obviously, it would be great if we were already able to start such discussion *now* on the list. > > My point is that the goals ought to be mentioned in the charter. > Without, we will never know whether the ultimate solution meets the > goals. Adding them to the charter will then probably lead to (later, > as a WG deliverable) refining them into a more fine-grained set of > requirements for the mechanism. Agreed. Thanks for your feedback, Simon > > Thanks, > Paul > >> Simon >> >> Il 07/11/2011 19:02, Paul Kyzivat ha scritto: >>> On 11/7/11 9:22 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> the IETF is getting closer. Now it would be a good time to start >>>> discussions on any issue that may not be clear enough in the proposed >>>> charter. >>>> >>>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dcon/current/msg00002.html >>> >>> I find one gaping hole in the charter: >>> >>> *Why* is this work being undertaken? >>> What advantages are expected from this compared to using basic xcon? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Paul >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dcon mailing list >>> dcon@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcon >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dcon mailing list > dcon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcon > -- _\\|//_ ( O-O ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Simon Pietro Romano Universita' di Napoli Federico II Computer Science Department Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7684219 e-mail: spromano@unina.it http://www.comics.unina.it/simonpietro.romano <>. Magritte. oooO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~( )~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ From alan.b.johnston@gmail.com Thu Nov 10 09:58:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615AA21F8AF4 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:58:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P0FIR0g61Xfm for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B9A21F8A69 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:58:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by qadb40 with SMTP id b40so1387844qad.10 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:58:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=T/+eyig89vjvNhTO3YVexfy453ScWeA3yQH/zgfeaLg=; b=MqwUZol6lJ1yNr3AhVmw8UdX4Zp6fHqX/u9S+lYjKp5t1YLSr6T3/JyEJBea3hCQ/w EvZjs51R/WpWu4muj9jAlv/4KJX7J+UziLhnuB4nnBy05YWVkX8RiBZCrknavaxTUahr O04TPtNNVuf/4ganK8eoXgs7djzonETilmyko= Received: by 10.224.219.144 with SMTP id hu16mr6651972qab.53.1320947463555; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.39.132.160] (mobile-166-137-143-251.mycingular.net. [166.137.143.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id df3sm8742606qab.6.2011.11.10.09.51.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:51:02 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Johnston Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) Message-Id: <5ED9818E-119D-481C-9E2A-C7353241FA50@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:50:54 -0600 To: "dcon@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Subject: [dcon] DCON and Media X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:58:15 -0000 I am greatly looking forward to getting started on the DCON work. Thanks to= everyone who has worked on the comprehensive set of drafts.=20 I have one high level question about the work. Having read the DCON framewor= k and requirements drafts, I understand how state will be shared among the d= istributed elements. However, I am not clear on the media sharing which need= s to happen for any DCON conference.=20 In a few places, the drafts say media mixing is out of scope, but we do need= to define how it will work in the simple cascaded case, right? I can see h= ow mixing optimization could be deferred for later.=20 - Alan - From lorenzo@meetecho.com Fri Nov 11 11:23:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0230321F858C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:23:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KzZVlBm5nGdl for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtplq04.aruba.it (smtplq-out19.aruba.it [62.149.158.39]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C19FC21F8557 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11454 invoked by uid 89); 11 Nov 2011 19:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.aruba.it) (62.149.158.221) by smtplq04.aruba.it with SMTP; 11 Nov 2011 19:23:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10035 invoked by uid 89); 11 Nov 2011 19:23:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rainpc) (lorenzo@meetecho.com@79.42.30.244) by smtp1.ad.aruba.it with SMTP; 11 Nov 2011 19:23:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:23:42 +0100 From: Lorenzo Miniero To: Alan Johnston Message-ID: <20111111202342.14cedc24@rainpc> In-Reply-To: <5ED9818E-119D-481C-9E2A-C7353241FA50@gmail.com> References: <5ED9818E-119D-481C-9E2A-C7353241FA50@gmail.com> Organization: Meetecho X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.0; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: smtp1.ad.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: smtplq04.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Cc: "dcon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dcon] DCON and Media X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:23:57 -0000 Hi Alan, On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:50:54 -0600 Alan Johnston wrote: > I am greatly looking forward to getting started on the DCON work. Thanks to everyone who has worked on the comprehensive set of drafts. > > I have one high level question about the work. Having read the DCON framework and requirements drafts, I understand how state will be shared among the distributed elements. However, I am not clear on the media sharing which needs to happen for any DCON conference. > > In a few places, the drafts say media mixing is out of scope, but we do need to define how it will work in the simple cascaded case, right? I can see how mixing optimization could be deferred for later. > Absolutely! Cascaded conferencing is the starting point, especially in terms of mixing, and I agree we'll need to at least say a few words about how it will be supposed to work. Things start to get complicated, though, when involving advanced stuff like distributed video mixing, for instance, and that's what we thought would be out of scope when writing the drafts. Lorenzo > - Alan - > > > _______________________________________________ > dcon mailing list > dcon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcon -- Lorenzo Miniero, COB Meetecho s.r.l. Web Conferencing and Collaboration Tools http://www.meetecho.com From spromano@unina.it Sat Nov 12 22:43:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F78011E80AC for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:43:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.23 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.23 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TQmRH9lWE93N for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.unina.it (smtp1.unina.it [192.132.34.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B86111E80B0 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:43:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.129.55.209] (dhcp-37d1.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.55.209]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.unina.it (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAD6hHF6021171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:43:20 +0100 Message-ID: <4EBF6703.8050903@unina.it> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:43:15 +0100 From: Simon Pietro Romano User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcon@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Robert Sparks , Gonzalo Camarillo , Brian Rosen Subject: [dcon] DCON slide decks uploaded X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 06:43:31 -0000 Hi all, meeting materials for tomorrow's session are now on-line. Cheers, Simon -- _\\|//_ ( O-O ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Simon Pietro Romano Universita' di Napoli Federico II Computer Science Department Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7684219 e-mail: spromano@unina.it http://www.comics.unina.it/simonpietro.romano <>. Magritte. oooO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~( )~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ From alan.b.johnston@gmail.com Sun Nov 13 17:37:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D8921F8444 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:37:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.536 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.536 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.063, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6EakP-Z5wY2s for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A7711E808B for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by yenq4 with SMTP id q4so2784924yen.31 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:37:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cRXBF4GUhHduC8N5D/o+4uYLs1X+ZKhqHXijcy9KL+U=; b=VgYC0U5tuLkHtrEjGB2dXSO8myo5bweH15ylbu0ErmX01Stn++DQCWb8H5S7nzzTXt 2g3wFPrJ7zpm3cla27QC16mDbHmApp3VxD8b1cj/BSrOz7nrje5Bvtpat5rTIsgdY4pU NnhZwW6cBw74aXuU/CnBPW/1Fy68NJwOyGxDY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.12.69 with SMTP id w5mr4561200obb.31.1321234622567; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.117.98 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:37:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111111202342.14cedc24@rainpc> References: <5ED9818E-119D-481C-9E2A-C7353241FA50@gmail.com> <20111111202342.14cedc24@rainpc> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:37:02 -0600 Message-ID: From: Alan Johnston To: Lorenzo Miniero Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "dcon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dcon] DCON and Media X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 01:37:04 -0000 Lorenzo, Great. So media mixing is not completely out of scope, but we will initially only work on the simple cascaded media mixing. For the future, it might be useful to do this work in stages. For example: 1. First define simple cascaded media 2. Next, provide ability for a DCON entity to discover the media graph 3. Then define a mechanism for a participant to leave and join the conference for the purpose of changing their location in the media graph. This would prevent having to propagate state changes that the participant has left the conference, then the participant has joined the conference when they are just changing their point of attachment. 4. Then provide a way for a DCON entity to request media graph changes in another DCON entity. Perhaps we decide to only do 1 and 2, or just 1 in the first round of DCON = work. - Alan - On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Lorenzo Miniero wro= te: > Hi Alan, > > > On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:50:54 -0600 > Alan Johnston wrote: > >> I am greatly looking forward to getting started on the DCON work. =A0Tha= nks to everyone who has worked on the comprehensive set of drafts. >> >> I have one high level question about the work. Having read the DCON fram= ework and requirements drafts, I understand how state will be shared among = the distributed elements. However, I am not clear on the media sharing whic= h needs to happen for any DCON conference. >> >> In a few places, the drafts say media mixing is out of scope, but we do = need to define how it will work in the simple cascaded case, right? =A0I ca= n see how mixing optimization could be deferred for later. >> > > > Absolutely! Cascaded conferencing is the starting point, especially in te= rms of mixing, and I agree we'll need to at least say a few words about how= it will be supposed to work. Things start to get complicated, though, when= involving advanced stuff like distributed video mixing, for instance, and = that's what we thought would be out of scope when writing the drafts. > > Lorenzo > > >> - Alan - >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dcon mailing list >> dcon@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcon > > > -- > Lorenzo Miniero, COB > > Meetecho s.r.l. > Web Conferencing and Collaboration Tools > http://www.meetecho.com > From spromano@unina.it Sun Nov 13 22:30:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553FF11E8209 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:30:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.974 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.974 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.744, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1eiNgBQs3hX6 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:30:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.unina.it (smtp1.unina.it [192.132.34.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8B911E8208 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.129.20.10] (dhcp-140a.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.20.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.unina.it (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAE6UhPd020890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:30:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4EC0B58F.2000600@unina.it> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:30:39 +0100 From: Simon Pietro Romano User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Johnston References: <5ED9818E-119D-481C-9E2A-C7353241FA50@gmail.com> <20111111202342.14cedc24@rainpc> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "dcon@ietf.org" , Lorenzo Miniero Subject: Re: [dcon] DCON and Media X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 06:30:52 -0000 Hi Alan, that sounds definitely interesting. 1) and 2) look feasible short-term goals. 3) and 4) are needed if we want DCON to be as transparent as possible to its end-users; I agree with you that these might be longer-term goals. Thank you for the inputs! Simon Il 14/11/2011 02:37, Alan Johnston ha scritto: > Lorenzo, > > Great. So media mixing is not completely out of scope, but we will > initially only work on the simple cascaded media mixing. > > For the future, it might be useful to do this work in stages. For example: > > 1. First define simple cascaded media > 2. Next, provide ability for a DCON entity to discover the media graph > 3. Then define a mechanism for a participant to leave and join the > conference for the purpose of changing their location in the media > graph. This would prevent having to propagate state changes that the > participant has left the conference, then the participant has joined > the conference when they are just changing their point of attachment. > 4. Then provide a way for a DCON entity to request media graph changes > in another DCON entity. > > Perhaps we decide to only do 1 and 2, or just 1 in the first round of DCON work. > > - Alan - > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Lorenzo Miniero wrote: >> Hi Alan, >> >> >> On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:50:54 -0600 >> Alan Johnston wrote: >> >>> I am greatly looking forward to getting started on the DCON work. Thanks to everyone who has worked on the comprehensive set of drafts. >>> >>> I have one high level question about the work. Having read the DCON framework and requirements drafts, I understand how state will be shared among the distributed elements. However, I am not clear on the media sharing which needs to happen for any DCON conference. >>> >>> In a few places, the drafts say media mixing is out of scope, but we do need to define how it will work in the simple cascaded case, right? I can see how mixing optimization could be deferred for later. >>> >> >> Absolutely! Cascaded conferencing is the starting point, especially in terms of mixing, and I agree we'll need to at least say a few words about how it will be supposed to work. Things start to get complicated, though, when involving advanced stuff like distributed video mixing, for instance, and that's what we thought would be out of scope when writing the drafts. >> >> Lorenzo >> >> >>> - Alan - >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dcon mailing list >>> dcon@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcon >> >> -- >> Lorenzo Miniero, COB >> >> Meetecho s.r.l. >> Web Conferencing and Collaboration Tools >> http://www.meetecho.com >> > _______________________________________________ > dcon mailing list > dcon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcon > -- _\\|//_ ( O-O ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Simon Pietro Romano Universita' di Napoli Federico II Computer Science Department Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7684219 e-mail: spromano@unina.it http://www.comics.unina.it/simonpietro.romano <>. Magritte. oooO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~( )~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ From petithug@acm.org Mon Nov 14 15:56:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F6B21F8B51 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:56:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GCQNcEYGdW0e for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:56:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from implementers.org (implementers.org [IPv6:2604:3400:dc1:41:216:3eff:fe5b:8240]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A2421F8B50 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:56:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8:0:64:ca0a:a9ff:fe2e:a4f6] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:64:ca0a:a9ff:fe2e:a4f6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "petithug", Issuer "implementers.org" (verified OK)) by implementers.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A8C720371 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4EC1AA96.10608@acm.org> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:56:06 +0800 From: Marc Petit-Huguenin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20111010 Icedove/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dcon@ietf.org" X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [dcon] Not distributed X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:56:12 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I do not think that "dcon" is the right name for this effort. I believe that a system needs to be designed from the beginning as been distributed, and that assembling together xcon instances will never produce a distributed system (look at DisCo[1] which, in addition of having a cooler name, is more what I would call a distributed system). So I propose the name "hcon", short for Hierarchical CONference, which reflects better what seems to be the architecture here. [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-knauf-p2psip-disco-04 - -- Marc Petit-Huguenin Personal email: marc@petit-huguenin.org Professional email: petithug@acm.org Blog: http://blog.marc.petit-huguenin.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk7BqpUACgkQ9RoMZyVa61dk4QCgnzMVRP76dF+nGKyVAWAC5hHj QH0An13I7ccvFgluA1r0gS0sG72rcztW =S3QI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From spromano@unina.it Tue Nov 15 00:28:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA4821F8D50 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:28:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.372, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m19XQOSnJTAP for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.unina.it (smtp2.unina.it [192.132.34.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F7921F8D4E for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.129.20.10] (dhcp-140a.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.20.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.unina.it (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAF8SgrX024703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:28:45 +0100 Message-ID: <4EC222B5.9050807@unina.it> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:28:37 +0100 From: Simon Pietro Romano User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Petit-Huguenin References: <4EC1AA96.10608@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <4EC1AA96.10608@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "dcon@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dcon] Not distributed X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 08:28:52 -0000 Hi, I personally don't see what would make DisCo more distributed than DCON (even though I agree on the fact that DisCo is a cool name ;-) ). The two proposals, indeed, have many commonalities. I also see backward compatibility with XCON as a big plus, rather than a drawback. Simon Il 15/11/2011 00:56, Marc Petit-Huguenin ha scritto: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I do not think that "dcon" is the right name for this effort. I believe that a > system needs to be designed from the beginning as been distributed, and that > assembling together xcon instances will never produce a distributed system (look > at DisCo[1] which, in addition of having a cooler name, is more what I would > call a distributed system). > > So I propose the name "hcon", short for Hierarchical CONference, which reflects > better what seems to be the architecture here. > > > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-knauf-p2psip-disco-04 > > - -- > Marc Petit-Huguenin > Personal email: marc@petit-huguenin.org > Professional email: petithug@acm.org > Blog: http://blog.marc.petit-huguenin.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAk7BqpUACgkQ9RoMZyVa61dk4QCgnzMVRP76dF+nGKyVAWAC5hHj > QH0An13I7ccvFgluA1r0gS0sG72rcztW > =S3QI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > dcon mailing list > dcon@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcon > -- _\\|//_ ( O-O ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~o00~~(_)~~00o~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Simon Pietro Romano Universita' di Napoli Federico II Computer Science Department Phone: +39 081 7683823 -- Fax: +39 081 7684219 e-mail: spromano@unina.it http://www.comics.unina.it/simonpietro.romano <>. Magritte. oooO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~( )~~ Oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ \ ( ( ) \_) ) / (_/ From Adnan.Saleem@radisys.com Tue Nov 15 00:31:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455E621F8D7A for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:31:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k51oIxmjQ+So for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:31:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail4.radisys.com (mail4.radisys.com [207.189.106.90]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A4421F8D74 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:31:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from OREXCHANGE03.radisys.com ([fe80::79bb:611b:3499:8b0e]) by orexchange04.radisys.com ([fe80::ed67:8c6c:46af:961e%23]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:31:09 -0800 From: Adnan Saleem To: Marc Petit-Huguenin , "dcon@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [dcon] Not distributed Thread-Index: AQHMoyj+ZSA3yXY4cEK1ufZiDXFdsJWtmfMg Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 08:31:08 +0000 Message-ID: <787D809CF5669445A754E39453EE771C113C0C@OREXCHANGE03.radisys.com> References: <4EC1AA96.10608@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <4EC1AA96.10608@acm.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [dcon] Not distributed X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 08:31:14 -0000 I can see the point that a workable solution will likely need to be hierarc= hical, rather than generically distributed. However, the way I see it, a hierarchical model is still distributed, just = a particular type of distributed. So, I'm ok with using the more generic name 'dcon' for distributed conferen= cing. Adnan -----Original Message----- From: dcon-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dcon-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mar= c Petit-Huguenin Sent: November-14-11 3:56 PM To: dcon@ietf.org Subject: [dcon] Not distributed -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I do not think that "dcon" is the right name for this effort. I believe th= at a system needs to be designed from the beginning as been distributed, an= d that assembling together xcon instances will never produce a distributed = system (look at DisCo[1] which, in addition of having a cooler name, is mor= e what I would call a distributed system). So I propose the name "hcon", short for Hierarchical CONference, which refl= ects better what seems to be the architecture here. [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-knauf-p2psip-disco-04 - -- Marc Petit-Huguenin Personal email: marc@petit-huguenin.org Professional email: petithug@acm.org Blog: http://blog.marc.petit-huguenin.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk7BqpUACgkQ9RoMZyVa61dk4QCgnzMVRP76dF+nGKyVAWAC5hHj QH0An13I7ccvFgluA1r0gS0sG72rcztW =3DS3QI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ dcon mailing list dcon@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcon From ietf@meetecho.com Tue Nov 15 05:55:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcon@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717DB21F8D3E for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:55:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NW-NGiIRSnYL for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:55:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpw1.aruba.it (smtpipvs3.aruba.it [62.149.128.188]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F17921F8D27 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:55:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3008 invoked by uid 89); 15 Nov 2011 13:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aruba.it) (62.149.158.90) by smtpw1.ad.aruba.it with SMTP; 15 Nov 2011 13:55:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:55:52 +0100 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Meetecho IETF support" To: dcon@ietf.org X-XaM3-API-Version: V3(R2) X-SenderIP: 130.129.21.177 X-Spam-Rating: smtpw1.ad.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [dcon] DCON BOF session recording available X-BeenThere: dcon@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Conferencing BOF discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:55:55 -0000 Dear all,=0A=0Athe full recording (synchronized video, audio, slides and = jabber room)=0Aof yesterday's DCON BOF session is available.=0A=0AYou can= watch it by either clicking the proper link on the remote participation = page (http://www.ietf.org/meeting/82/remote-participation.html#Meetecho),= or by directly accessing the following URL:=0Ahttp://www.meetecho.com/ie= tf82/recordings=0A=0AFor the chair(s): please feel free to put the link t= o the recording in the minutes, if you think this might be useful.=0A=0AI= n case of problems with the playout, just drop an e-mail to=0Aietf-suppor= t@meetecho.com.=0A=0APlease keep in mind that the video quality is far fr= om optimal for this recording, since yesterday the room was too dark.=0A=0A= Cheers,=0Athe Meetecho Team=0A=C2=A0=0A--=C2=A0=0AMeetecho s.r.l.=0AWeb C= onferencing and Collaboration Tools=0Awww.meetecho.com=0A=C2=A0