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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hi, I just want to announce that we've integrated Ed25519-SHA256 verifying capabil= ity into our product NoSpamProxy (nospamproxy.com) and I have already exchange= d mails with Scott Kitterman and successfully validated his DKIM signatures. 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2018 16:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: 10 May 2018 16:15:24 -0400 Message-Id: <20180510201524.24FDC26609FF@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: dcrup@ietf.org Cc: Henning.Krause@netatwork.de In-Reply-To: Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] Ed25519-SHA256 implementation X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 20:15:27 -0000 In article you write: >I just want to announce that we've integrated Ed25519-SHA256 verifying capability into our product NoSpamProxy (nospamproxy.com) and I >have already exchanged mails with Scott Kitterman and successfully validated his DKIM signatures. We'll release that version soon and >we'll add DKIM signing using Ed25519-SHA256 keys ASAP. Sounds great. If someone will send me a sample ed25519 key and signed message I can update the draft and we can ship it. R's, John From nobody Fri May 11 10:24:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietf.org Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399D012895E; Fri, 11 May 2018 10:24:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dcrup@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152605946818.10684.5846060394119001082@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 10:24:28 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 17:24:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DKIM Crypto Update WG of the IETF. Title : A new cryptographic signature method for DKIM Author : John Levine Filename : draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2018-05-11 Abstract: This document adds a new signing algorithm to DKIM. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri May 11 10:26:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723BA1289B0 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=o2NhFfYa; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=bnVSSV6C Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HgKOzYElMFl9 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 10:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8D11128961 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 10:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31930 invoked from network); 11 May 2018 17:26:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=7cb7.5af5d238.k1805; bh=rmUE7UyiWjv3y7CINGyR0P6ueBfguTNeRiVAqvIUxKU=; b=o2NhFfYaYh7TFSl2lpT29mDrBgZIoXfc4ioK1bmkSeGuy5UsBMnuDVj19I+HMJSYnLJ7Wj11mEj3jaW9Q5tBdisunxSi9YPGYTYc0FwAsSJtHV3k74PiOoRGThsvYgz9T/aZHIgXxXoHLdNq1/Q0Jx19V4tbCcTgGuChvSxS/Klcdx1QlDXoQMh6tPXE1gztA/YIo3BN4fMFeB/7RgAiqyx6hEbTbhwqoMg3kfkBRkjcafy61ISemQ6j9ksMvUwS DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=7cb7.5af5d238.k1805; bh=rmUE7UyiWjv3y7CINGyR0P6ueBfguTNeRiVAqvIUxKU=; b=bnVSSV6ClXQ6ah1UE7JZLysJYv5fbOYFQKsJp7Hs66FjLaV+9TyDz4hTBy3UnGmRlGGEbNlPhUIUMwlxZmkKQQESW/44ooE2T1eDkMoePxBl+UnDsQVOrHevNXJ0CJmbyX6LmVIaIClC+ZcZdC3intXhivwU3PlsoEtvUVMq3zDBeuHXN2DOmRwSp+WrgeRFEjAqx1mP1jDD8p+SuZuMJZ9XqLj9Vwvp5RzMaOMvRkSr7/lWujqdvCWbVcGXTcsC Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2/X.509/AEAD) via TCP6; 11 May 2018 17:26:16 -0000 Date: 11 May 2018 13:26:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: dcrup@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <152605946818.10684.5846060394119001082@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <152605946818.10684.5846060394119001082@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (OSX 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 17:26:19 -0000 This version adds a signed example message (one of Scott Kitterman's examples from dkimpy) and makes a few minor editorial changes we discussed several months ago. I really really really hope it's done now. > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto/ Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From nobody Fri May 11 11:22:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFC0124B17 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 11:22:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.711 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.711 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b0j-C6dMMPKk for ; 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Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <152605946818.10684.5846060394119001082@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pcms-Received-Sender: vgate18.wizint.net ([2a00:1940:107::1:2f:0] helo=lap.dom.ain) with esmtpsa Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 19:34:48 -0000 On 11/05/18 18:24, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > Filename : draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt Section 3 specifies PureEDdSA. I thought we'd been forced by library implentations to use the sha-512 prehashed variant. Am I merely being confused by the naming? -- Cheers, Jeremy From nobody Fri May 11 13:16:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C38212D879 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 13:16:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NPqqucZ929Vf for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 13:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mournblade.imrryr.org (mournblade.imrryr.org [108.5.242.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83407126E64 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 13:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.161] (straasha.imrryr.org [100.2.39.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mournblade.imrryr.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5A0D17A3309 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 20:16:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ietf-dane@dukhovni.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Viktor Dukhovni In-Reply-To: <027aa8fc-59ab-42dd-d81e-6a45aeafce03@wizmail.org> Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 16:16:16 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: dcrup@ietf.org Message-Id: References: <152605946818.10684.5846060394119001082@ietfa.amsl.com> <027aa8fc-59ab-42dd-d81e-6a45aeafce03@wizmail.org> To: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 20:16:20 -0000 > On May 11, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Jeremy Harris wrote: >=20 > Section 3 specifies PureEDdSA. I thought we'd been forced > by library implentations to use the sha-512 prehashed > variant. Am I merely being confused by the naming? Perhaps in DKIM the data to be signed is already pre-hashed (the body and header hashes in the DKIM signature header). The OpenSSL docs for the Ed25519 algorithm used for the keys we've been discussing says: ------------ NAME Ed25519, Ed448 - EVP_PKEY Ed25519 and Ed448 support DESCRIPTION The Ed25519 and Ed448 EVP_PKEY implementation supports key = generation, one-shot digest sign and digest verify using PureEdDSA and = Ed25519 or Ed448 (see RFC8032). It has associated private and public key = formats compatible with draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-04. No additional parameters can be set during key generation = one-shot signing or verification. In particular, because PureEdDSA is = used, when signing or verifying a digest must NOT be specified. NOTES The PureEdDSA algorithm does not support the streaming mechanism = of other signature algorithms using, for example, = EVP_DigestUpdate(). The message to sign or verify must be passed using the one-shot EVP_DigestSign() asn EVP_DigestVerify() functions. ------------ See also: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8032#section-4 --=20 Viktor. 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Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 23:26:10 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <152605946818.10684.5846060394119001082@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sonnection.nl; s=2009; t=1526073971; bh=qCiRSRTvS9SFoql88Da3bprHH/P55rwJbcHQCDfw4gA=; h=Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:From; b=B4ehcWiDHphjOmGHhn4CExLgvJN35WgdgSZk4VUW+5EOnba11Dkg4AJW05K8+6GCz J6/dXSioGOhcsePPsuxc1XOne+wLXhc4FmWwxTGIjbfbFHOl6tBhrfLvgLT+5WaHnR VPYNtX0T9d54jicyshO6BgBdvrBGNTi2ueARjsP8= DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.2 mx10.mailtransaction.com 40jNSM4f8fz5Mh8p Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 21:26:18 -0000 On 11-05-18 19:24, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the DKIM Crypto Update WG of the IETF. > > Title : A new cryptographic signature method for DKIM > Author : John Levine > Filename : draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt > Pages : 7 > Date : 2018-05-11 > > Abstract: > This document adds a new signing algorithm to DKIM. Three editorial remarks/nits. 1. A suggestion to align Title and Abstract of the document. The Title mentions 'A new cryptographic signature method' where the Abstract mentions 'a new signing algorithm'. I would suggest to change the Title into 'A new signing algorithm for DKIM', to get the terminology in line with par. 3.3 of RFC6376 and with the last line of par. 1 of this draft. 2. Suggestion for par. 1: instead of 'creating hashes of the message headers and body [...]' use 'creating hashes of a set of message headers and of the body [...]' 3. Suggestion for par. 1: use 'public key' instead of 'signature verification key', as RFC6376 does not use the term 'signature verification key', while it uses 'public key'. /rolf From nobody Fri May 11 14:53:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C78128954 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 14:53:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.751 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.751 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=EbWfw8Cz; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=SWL19Ams Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PIe_IRlmdeIB for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 14:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB856127863 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 14:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 80581 invoked from network); 11 May 2018 21:52:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=13ac3.5af610bb.k1805; bh=cpYo0cgbyUagpEpP82fi41zPoP7zYltyOroGXGTFrQ0=; b=EbWfw8Czjs3yAW/26Vkpw5n0n75Q0LfuVDblIff1Ng0mF0qAc9dg2m4xZPqE51InqRDRJmEO8XEqUeegPuSKDLu40LWrROVFhCcq68Xs9G9OakZUpdiwsOJqVMolyDpYD+ciBojz8Czjn1SfAthrwsD9wgqLAnhm62mT5f+IkLxYaT6R+ASBsKWQA6YX4IPCQZYA9fJ+Tzr2jCnP4cMEMahJFn3gtLiLVKOozQ6mb8su9DuXKj8uFaiYP3eszHtd DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=13ac3.5af610bb.k1805; bh=cpYo0cgbyUagpEpP82fi41zPoP7zYltyOroGXGTFrQ0=; b=SWL19AmsuXh3qJdTBtbM59HC7deW1FUYvZTpAFBZpo7m2AG/+TC42eSRGI3d1SoWvF9tMGalN9DDGsO8PIUoEIPgth9us3MeDwemnfsrymDhfZeVImU9GTK/2UWC85rQNTSnygaTRihHDUF+LCmNJMVfyrShjJ2Anni5QmGBLtvJQ+JsCDtJnB4JFnT1uGN9I/C62/xp1If7SH9ooUMc/CGGX2yarbXkEq5EQLRUZGpjK1gvzanLPH08rKvjohFU Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 11 May 2018 21:52:59 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 8090C266D438; Fri, 11 May 2018 17:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: 11 May 2018 17:52:58 -0400 Message-Id: <20180511215259.8090C266D438@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: dcrup@ietf.org Cc: jgh@wizmail.org In-Reply-To: <027aa8fc-59ab-42dd-d81e-6a45aeafce03@wizmail.org> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 21:53:02 -0000 In article <027aa8fc-59ab-42dd-d81e-6a45aeafce03@wizmail.org> you write: >On 11/05/18 18:24, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> Filename : draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt > >Section 3 specifies PureEDdSA. I thought we'd been forced >by library implentations to use the sha-512 prehashed >variant. Am I merely being confused by the naming? No, it turns out I got it backwards. Everyone implements the pure version, not the prehashed version. R's, John From nobody Tue May 15 17:27:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7CC12EB1A for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mailforce.net header.b=KZ7umq2p; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=VzEc9cV+ Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sGnfXcM2vKDg for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 17:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3520112EAC0 for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 17:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373CF21F0A; Tue, 15 May 2018 20:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 15 May 2018 20:27:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mailforce.net; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=soL0QiqOGCkXrISrt zojTAzrPljltXDH0zf/VDbGPYU=; b=KZ7umq2pexrwv1HpZZ0BSr0rUwAz7RYT4 pEueQClTnAot7YKFseBwODMbGay4eirSCyn5qd/6HukMET1EpsEUkBi1nfx78Prt qdEEjiPEHKor9qAs7N8A2k7sZnQ7/CKGOAerjONLYO1SPbbDGYHnlX63rhRvYgIL 9HiVaKdfeono4p77Rx+FLEhT3KD/QsVKcrWLL0OnfLE3OGk+9NH0tCL0PTDb0S2Q 7+oaLLDavJBjh/MBItUD2Vr9qjVc7v5hhUlygArgWu0b07R9E5slM+sIM3aywnqc Jxt+EhgD6kWK3r7zpWqOI5Pfxkkt6Sr4axW12h7Ya+UusMB15u4+Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=soL0Qi qOGCkXrISrtzojTAzrPljltXDH0zf/VDbGPYU=; b=VzEc9cV+VCsGFjD6Li7HT+ FMBS6QY63W4OHk1qesRcJ1R6xI98OqD0vq29zRfKMX3H7YAn5KRFhBQkgglcYccw wm5ajybwNO+dR8xYE7vHnJHwiJBNktqNeR67+ezQ0a8s2V5VZYNNEBvRuMsfuYdo KMj8K3eFBajib+oy8vOrLnFdCE61cXSohMaa8VaaeUd/nnP9vy3qgjwIpTA2Isfq A7qtosqytrO6biy2Z1JOIw3ulSKJ+Gta9pCXraKUUqTNGwdRSQZ7uao9FJQYcqfA Y7jP6LHKRD7PV5SdlGLTay60V/TH8IoGsUefGANbrPkddSxsn6FLjhZ/W7A2oNkQ == X-ME-Sender: References: <152605946818.10684.5846060394119001082@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <417424C1-D4F3-473D-A5CA-67F0E100730F@glyphein.mailforce.net> Cc: dcrup@ietf.org From: Stan Kalisch Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 20:27:34 -0400 To: John R Levine Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 00:27:39 -0000 Apologies for the relative lateness in replying. > On May 11, 2018, at 1:26 PM, John R Levine wrote: >=20 > This version adds a signed example message (one of Scott Kitterman's examp= les from dkimpy) and makes a few minor editorial changes we discussed severa= l months ago. I really really really hope it's done now. A reference to RFC 8017 should either accompany the reference to RFC 3447, w= hich 8017 obsoletes, or replace it. Thanks, Stan >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto/ From nobody Tue May 15 18:00:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A82512EB2C for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 18:00:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=dnBFiMVa; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=FiQLNAml Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tdFbi_ne3CqH for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 18:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22EB3126DEE for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 18:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10069 invoked from network); 16 May 2018 01:00:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=2753.5afb8294.k1805; bh=RJ1/lYcMIX1a8Yn615z78ftX2fbRGhaHVO6Y4K24zPk=; b=dnBFiMVagqmwL3aAqBVRaUQ3AnNVWuInL6znZbVhDRn2+CM2VMyUEttz+gKBss8DfaFeu4tHu8+jVuscizBSdm3lmjjKgytpxzqycwnFgkDKfdcan/ZbbfQHX2j6RdNYqoBi2IskNUaCEasbiswId5sifLeOmmZk3YxNzh7e9Rns9ow0JnZiiwg5OS2i0Lz6XkkntZ12Gfp65sAFIPSDda4emMmHc71fE/jwioz7n7VO+vexUUY0EAhLIl302UHw DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=2753.5afb8294.k1805; bh=RJ1/lYcMIX1a8Yn615z78ftX2fbRGhaHVO6Y4K24zPk=; b=FiQLNAmlQI28uWhdzkVe+M39q2rhyaOND4ttUkAYvOPmWMAUgCb72yrZvaGyv/2BFSOO2yVkS71UW5Yv9svigySHp60zjVKHRs7go/y3u3mit80xlLGOb6FLL2aVGZobO5rK9tBTtzQQD/gdm4aIE37rkVG++cnMIdLiWud9m8FP/DVEROjMc/V0TjqvRoALlOhSByPXAYcwBh0/q44qHrTXBAL06IEsOlVkxUSGl2tGUjdiBXPSFgz4q6s6/KDT Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2/X.509/AEAD) via TCP6; 16 May 2018 01:00:04 -0000 Date: 15 May 2018 21:00:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Stan Kalisch" Cc: dcrup@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <417424C1-D4F3-473D-A5CA-67F0E100730F@glyphein.mailforce.net> References: <152605946818.10684.5846060394119001082@ietfa.amsl.com> <417424C1-D4F3-473D-A5CA-67F0E100730F@glyphein.mailforce.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (OSX 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 01:00:08 -0000 >> On May 11, 2018, at 1:26 PM, John R Levine wrote: >> >> This version adds a signed example message (one of Scott Kitterman's examples from dkimpy) and makes a few minor editorial changes we discussed several months ago. I really really really hope it's done now. > > A reference to RFC 8017 should either accompany the reference to RFC 3447, which 8017 obsoletes, or replace it. The only reference to 3447 is a passing mention to the previous document: The defining documents specify a single signing algorithm, RSA [RFC3447]. That is indeed what it says. Maybe we should update 6376 but this draft isn't about RSA. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From nobody Tue May 15 18:30:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3263D126DEE for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 18:30:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.711 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.711 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mailforce.net header.b=CPXkrNbF; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=WEc/ouMH Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EilOvlUYViza for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 18:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E59D31270AB for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 18:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FA7226A9; Tue, 15 May 2018 21:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 15 May 2018 21:30:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mailforce.net; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=eEyl9468pzCvzS21b IQB+NKqfV+tpQbvny3PH3tKji0=; b=CPXkrNbFnuy3C0JtCyCC6XxkK7xX9JZy5 JaxnIW1fLWd6xzcAbgdc6s7EDa0Uvc2P1i+pZ8+EyBrdqUhwaAbP11yXaUa4wgE/ r0p3VdjockBMwgbZppv32Iov2ZvTTzlVwIRmECxOkT0naBF5A7XQXzBwor/gbSge S83HZ/VFz42yoDGr1sy1pKqLXEPrQsrxpLDqL4RzwHyQwseHVkJGeLKXBFnY1lLR +7oc5XXU2tyo90oHp3F5+KbjVws3bvmjxyETAHwUK5rLv9xhBk6im2lrm7eOvVx7 oFgKWLul8AcxfjzmCSIRaPlYqLlDTp3wtcpO6WGe8hgbUWz/cUW5g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=eEyl94 68pzCvzS21bIQB+NKqfV+tpQbvny3PH3tKji0=; b=WEc/ouMHOE83AAP1dsEBF5 6s2SR+g3by+/7MYflau/xe35Ik3AuMHSuY0MwkZIFM18PBuTWhtabcQaAJsc8AI+ e1IAo202RkK1Hx+O6GB0uiWzbA6c8XvNo2Ayzs7wVypWS9I7RKYywO1jlz5vUsFc r2FY/3AA/JwbWF6dekeUOsgk8K/2sQK9eQdjZoGS0qke8L5j/aB7Jo+Ufu5aUVCV 9rIayYWVJnFY86vhUafuutibRGslPezWWPHZ+QJei/lML6RFwsrZWOHaTM4zoiMs 70d3+WDgM/1e20PSEtoK0WVAZ1kk4lIwswkkV7DD1t8+qGcHXPEWdBmSFObMyByg == X-ME-Sender: References: <152605946818.10684.5846060394119001082@ietfa.amsl.com> <417424C1-D4F3-473D-A5CA-67F0E100730F@glyphein.mailforce.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <35D3910E-224E-4017-9AF5-BCD039A36874@glyphein.mailforce.net> Cc: dcrup@ietf.org From: Stan Kalisch Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 21:30:12 -0400 To: John R Levine Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 01:30:16 -0000 On May 15, 2018, at 9:00 PM, John R Levine wrote: >> A reference to RFC 8017 should either accompany the reference to RFC 3447= , which 8017 obsoletes, or replace it. >=20 > The only reference to 3447 is a passing mention to the previous document: >=20 > The defining documents specify a single signing algorithm, RSA [RFC3447]. >=20 > That is indeed what it says. And I agree on this; this is more about 3447 being cited as normative. But i= f people think the RFC Editor will accept this kind of rationale, then I'm o= kay with it and this shouldn't be considered a full-on objection. > Maybe we should update 6376 but this draft isn't about RSA. Agreed. Stan From nobody Tue May 15 18:36:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8F412EA56 for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 18:36:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.147 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.147 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=iu6vYGki; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=hXcBzmMH Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dj044rtKcIkW for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 18:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01CBB12EA55 for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 18:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15370 invoked from network); 16 May 2018 01:36:48 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=3c08.5afb8b30.k1805; bh=YtuMt/y2gqJt9ZpgdVHAmaM3xhQifXbiGqy4KPQWHEI=; b=iu6vYGkioIV1wWQ3SjZgZRiXPKNDWPIPngJ8sfAOPPPR1Fj7hRIjeHJaWmSE5jgvq95XKzD7stKlFxc+yM30jyQcR3BITZ5F1NvPiOLFBUqd6KOp6O5d2PN559jU4xFzm5wkVtegSJu7gFsK88FiL96m8wnG45d00/090HTkogkD45DeRBgBxLFcHRaWoobmPzfiUcP53NcGg5nSn3O9dtfim9cF3q6e4272YzspG/MyWazbdr8AX6snCPljizMz DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=3c08.5afb8b30.k1805; bh=YtuMt/y2gqJt9ZpgdVHAmaM3xhQifXbiGqy4KPQWHEI=; b=hXcBzmMHy38brM8fNgSutLBL86iAbshwhiKwfpmUQNndyGjkJMqDPb2pEyYzsahbs4sE3Ddy0OUdHWdCH51a04pF3BT4zrSvMY5o1bhTLDSxZRCEwMTUQR4oBetisKIkp7dNeYiSQ9yAD9cokftr8VQWYwaLVr8RIo53+7tYyWlaXm37RV5xUtcJs0yqgGywWy6xnMDb/KqxrqEL/+4vudpo4XVQiOnKR+5sIZaHP3T2qLgWqvtaJKqrBeio8MME Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 16 May 2018 01:36:48 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6A29426B2CB2; Tue, 15 May 2018 21:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: 15 May 2018 21:36:48 -0400 Message-Id: <20180516013648.6A29426B2CB2@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: dcrup@ietf.org Cc: stan@glyphein.mailforce.net In-Reply-To: <35D3910E-224E-4017-9AF5-BCD039A36874@glyphein.mailforce.net> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 01:36:51 -0000 In article <35D3910E-224E-4017-9AF5-BCD039A36874@glyphein.mailforce.net> you write: >And I agree on this; this is more about 3447 being cited as normative. But if people think the RFC Editor will >accept this kind of rationale, then I'm okay with it and this shouldn't be considered a full-on objection. The editors will doubtless make lots of little changes to make it match the stylebook, no need to worry about it. If the guide has some rule about citing obsolete RFCs (I have no idea), they'll fix it. R's, John From nobody Tue May 15 18:51:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9D5126DED for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 18:51:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.711 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.711 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mailforce.net header.b=fr9d7Jwr; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=MHot4VfG Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CRBRavy6omJz for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 18:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3594D124B18 for ; Tue, 15 May 2018 18:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E22122766; Tue, 15 May 2018 21:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 15 May 2018 21:51:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mailforce.net; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=njUDy5G9K0qo9bWBI QEw4qdBMU5dFNpSRYgp6TU2OnQ=; b=fr9d7Jwr3JinxRWuMcjP5FdjjDK7T14wk 85pKP3BNWvDaRi7GWe3B7CEoryIIYMqheaN1m7+poZ5tImvW7RHMun603VAgfmUi z+S+VoKJqUKCOFsjtMGa4WaqWo/wjc9C0Up7IfO0A9kWrObG+8YdxtSMUNCNOW/s xkV+Iu4O+FxB9Od3P/WfhReNX/GZXlThSTfymKdWbMjt8m63WfMD90uWA4lIw9nN iOW9Zph58WEBLek7fOPWU4hBZBlAqS2L7ChLb8kFE6C+nJaJe5N+fbMiAHbNoCnP Zw5CJ7SuKbsEGd0uSVhlXdqyXQ71gH4a+/5YoFbhWfEN4u6tMSWaw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=njUDy5 G9K0qo9bWBIQEw4qdBMU5dFNpSRYgp6TU2OnQ=; b=MHot4VfGDe83ylQEQ1g7om DpiX2zGtaK1rNyl+Cw86qG3Uygi0J1T8VrnVg6xDO/csIk5xE+gU1W6M+ZHEU8rd lhz4BlL1qZWzlPyb0IXW/E2aUzXP8vJoWCXCRCDgOuy6MMvFOciztgdQlJ7tc3F+ v3g+Bvrrkrpcuzf3/P3iQ1fu7B6B1Pk0fRdIygSe1p5pDx2ZJUzOIj8lWJ/usSw4 f0bp2UX38FVGZPAJAgPGkveqyL3/ruTN4LRuPU7LlVJdpblf4WpY/DfyYNhkGjDi QWmwhAofZQyqha4lTiZYsDs/8TsDse1HGPNFXal+nlL1knbIdJF31kcDbiZgpqvg == X-ME-Sender: References: <20180516013648.6A29426B2CB2@ary.qy> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180516013648.6A29426B2CB2@ary.qy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4BFB0868-5E86-44E4-ACF6-D188880C8552@glyphein.mailforce.net> Cc: dcrup@ietf.org From: Stan Kalisch Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 21:51:00 -0400 To: John Levine Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09.txt X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 01:51:04 -0000 > On May 15, 2018, at 9:36 PM, John Levine wrote: >=20 > If the guide has some rule about citing obsolete RFCs (I have no idea), th= ey'll fix it. It does; that's why I mentioned it. 0:-) Anyway, if nobody cares enough, I'= m happy to drop it and just leave it. 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16 May 2018 18:28:30 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2A2B826BB4A1; Wed, 16 May 2018 14:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: 16 May 2018 14:28:29 -0400 Message-Id: <20180516182830.2A2B826BB4A1@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: dcrup@ietf.org Cc: rsalz@akamai.com In-Reply-To: <3CA16F2B-2647-451A-8B5A-475AEA2E2E7D@akamai.com> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] We're not meeting in Montreal X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 18:28:33 -0000 In article <3CA16F2B-2647-451A-8B5A-475AEA2E2E7D@akamai.com> you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- >Anyone have a problem with that? >Our main document is >this close< to being done…. The only meeting I would suggest is a toast in the bar to celebrate getting the feeping thing done. 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Wed, 16 May 2018 11:34:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: rsalz@akamai.com, dcrup@ietf.org, dcrup-chairs@ietf.org, aamelnikov@fastmail.fm X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152649565553.31108.6519235272940241463.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 11:34:15 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Dcrup] dcrup - Not having a session at IETF 102 X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 18:34:18 -0000 Rich Salz, a chair of the dcrup working group, indicated that the dcrup working group does not plan to hold a session at IETF 102. 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Kucherawy" Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 19:33:36 +0000 Message-ID: To: dcrup@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a82024056c57cb59" Archived-At: Subject: [Dcrup] OpenDKIM now implements ED25519 X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 19:33:47 -0000 --000000000000a82024056c57cb59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I just pushed a beta release of OpenDKIM that includes ED25519 signing and verifying support, so there's another implementation for people to play with. It successfully verifies the test messages Scott has provided. https://github.com/trusteddomainproject/OpenDKIM/releases/tag/rel-opendkim-2-11-0-Beta0 -MSK --000000000000a82024056c57cb59 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just pushed a beta release of OpenDKIM that include= s ED25519 signing and verifying support, so there's another implementat= ion for people to play with.=C2=A0 It successfully verifies the test messag= es Scott has provided.

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--000000000000a82024056c57cb59-- From nobody Thu May 17 21:03:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A86126D05 for ; Thu, 17 May 2018 21:03:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=neutral reason="invalid (unsupported algorithm ed25519-sha256)" header.d=kitterman.com header.b=mYpEfvIX; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kitterman.com header.b=tTJcTNsC Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0QWUqNs7HzSr for ; Thu, 17 May 2018 21:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout03.controlledmail.com (mailout03.controlledmail.com [208.43.65.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2BB812421A for ; Thu, 17 May 2018 21:03:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kitterman.com; i=@kitterman.com; q=dns/txt; s=201803e; t=1526616198; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : mime-version : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : from : subject : date; bh=txPkQotU9QclxRuHguR411vbePhPVXWXC6koCzt5i/Y=; b=mYpEfvIXz52jYGSvSoaiE5bMA451YnkCgqj7HkB2/taqaZZqFr5OqHcZ SfujbWA5mTQKCbh9WdUpR1efApzsBQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kitterman.com; i=@kitterman.com; q=dns/txt; s=201803r; t=1526616198; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : mime-version : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : from : subject : date; bh=txPkQotU9QclxRuHguR411vbePhPVXWXC6koCzt5i/Y=; b=tTJcTNsChuhpEgv4DwTRQJnfEbQDhQ+qNaiaCB14tvR5ArnpaHzUheyu 1G1RR09Ll4WbALVhgblgHXLwHsH48GgBJ3jn+bfU50MtXZ26XnqnUd2RkR tQtMSwjbAE65+cgJJp3QiidqlApySU6IbRuuDXdWYOkJWtSZW/uty+Ez8j YBzzuu+Rw+wuABWM+wS7Hc80KOm3lB3+xmxM04PhBM7ip8P0I1bFvi+c25 YCNUundCEhui97FtwDBmwqZjD012RT5DoYPrAghDmouhT++XSmROyKYt/0 AHTkbIjDZxgtTXb3XVpxsMBnKYYPoSBligt3V28QeeY1g3nFt+nFbg== Received: from kitterma-e6430.localnet (static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net [72.81.252.22]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailout03.controlledmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 538DEC401CE for ; Thu, 17 May 2018 23:03:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Kitterman To: "dcrup@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 00:03:17 -0400 Message-ID: <1714252.8AzzGrakYZ@kitterma-e6430> User-Agent: KMail/4.13.3 (Linux/3.13.0-147-generic; KDE/4.13.3; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nextPart1775872.4Prx1EMjxR" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Archived-At: Subject: [Dcrup] DCRUP Implementation Interoperability X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 04:03:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --nextPart1775872.4Prx1EMjxR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We're up to four ed25519-sha256 implementations now. I thought it might be useful to track what interoperability testing among the implementations has been done. Please see the attached for what I know of. Please let me know if others have done additional testing or if there are other implementations I should add. Also, related to the WG sort of last call we're doing right now, I find it encouraging that the questions that required implementer to implementer discussions that I was involved in to get successful tests are all addressed in the current draft. I'm pretty confident the draft says enough to support additional implementation that's highly likely to interoperate. 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I have some nits though: Abstract This document adds a new signing algorithm to DKIM. This is a bit short, as it doesn't give a reader enough details to decide whether or not to read further. Please mention the added algorithm! 3. Ed25519-SHA256 Signing Algorithm The ed25519-sha256 signing algorithm computes a message hash as defined in section 3 of [RFC6376] using SHA-256 [FIPS-180-4-2015] as the hash-alg, and signs it with the PureEDdSA variant Ed25519, as defined in in RFC 8032 section 5.1 [RFC8032]. Example keys and signatures in Appendix XX below are based on the test vectors in RFC Appendix XX --> Appendix A. 8032 section 7.1 [RFC8032]. [RFC3447] doesn't need to be normative, as it is only used in the following sentence: The defining documents specify a single signing algorithm, RSA [RFC3447]. which is not a normative requirement and is just a statement of fact. Best Regards, Alexey From nobody Tue May 29 06:04:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietf.org Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C2112E85B; Tue, 29 May 2018 06:04:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto@ietf.org, alexey.melnikov@isode.com, dcrup@ietf.org, fenton@bluepopcorn.net, dcrup-chairs@ietf.org Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <152759906865.25595.11709363913593626988.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 06:04:28 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Dcrup] Last Call: (A new cryptographic signature method for DKIM) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 13:04:29 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the DKIM Crypto Update WG (dcrup) to consider the following document: - 'A new cryptographic signature method for DKIM' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2018-06-12. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document adds a new signing algorithm to DKIM. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto/ballot/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3025/ From nobody Tue May 29 08:57:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4818F12EB46 for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 08:57:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.752 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.752 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=m8ZDIjTY; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=bmRBFbpq Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vNuz_zt4qlkc for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 08:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B087127698 for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 08:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31193 invoked from network); 29 May 2018 15:57:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=79d7.5b0d7851.k1805; bh=P8Qn3QzcjYumPI8jpKN2gMnft3Dkn0cbF2/wmy2umLI=; b=m8ZDIjTYpxwS2hvS+iHqUrNrtmPDwH/pnpS+GeYzRZ1bYri72z3W9RPUyGUdczis+n2gY3VmDTxMBRXbvYyndkcY2IlSlT3sNMXAF7oDQUhg7SKu/jT20jXGpMgFIo2S2AypgriH/TudM/W79hpg/UxP+FTLE34VF3zFkveiMYUBndHltCF2IAHEH557UoJzfotSoI+iLZHxg9ytxfu7+skoOrS/Lj7Q1X/RjVhoyM7P+SjAcTVhni3FjJ/VMSDy DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=79d7.5b0d7851.k1805; bh=P8Qn3QzcjYumPI8jpKN2gMnft3Dkn0cbF2/wmy2umLI=; b=bmRBFbpqsqdN17pSLJLaCqR+GAsmaUyeLwIm/Va5SCqRCZUhlk40Yv9NtXPr9gBW30xkxtlEoDigXpXlg7wQ3LVk9GNdRTHSvTym14bI82f19fA8yjTh9A7pxZbZTugKzAV/4sdUP6Pe8iLn7pWIHYAfy64jEvXDBTXZ6bZEae94DlZwqkM7L5MKUxDuLAwr7sYzF8qLAg5pJDZ+2iQ+bTPwcvZKxl/VSZ8W6QqolHzgeKfDboBgJs8ZLkC/D9zS Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 29 May 2018 15:57:05 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 41CC72749923; Tue, 29 May 2018 11:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: 29 May 2018 11:57:04 -0400 Message-Id: <20180529155705.41CC72749923@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: dcrup@ietf.org Cc: aamelnikov@fastmail.fm In-Reply-To: <1527583238.2346886.1388803096.0ADB2161@webmail.messagingengine.com> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] AD review of draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09 X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 15:57:19 -0000 In article <1527583238.2346886.1388803096.0ADB2161@webmail.messagingengine.com> you write: >This is a short document, so I've started IETF LC on it. > >I have some nits though: > >Abstract > > This document adds a new signing algorithm to DKIM. > >This is a bit short, as it doesn't give a reader enough details to decide whether or not to read further. Please mention the added algorithm! How about this: This document adds a new signing algorithm, ed25519-sha256, to DKIM. DKIM verifiers are required to implemenent this algorithm. Other nits are fine, will fix them once we agree on the abstract. R's, John From nobody Tue May 29 09:16:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB4312EAAA for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 09:16:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fastmail.fm header.b=uAcHdeqP; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=RLnqbkkZ Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XS9ObzJiw5Us for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 09:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A560612D96C for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 09:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAA221B88; Tue, 29 May 2018 12:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web5 ([10.202.2.215]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 29 May 2018 12:16:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=CXcZT97ZB5pZ8RHApSDMBQkVYD8GD K0VrOf2Y1hIHPk=; b=uAcHdeqP2qeoA/6x8imFYeZNe/HUBtw/1+EgHOXlfMP5Y CIv86aRFrVj0O1i+DY0KzZHnx77fGpditVI7pJQ/HUSP8xK7SrFfTvYBGxYcU/J/ SXoDax+0Rk3XPyoO2XNhXdd7Pfd1SjW1LwYTBrUVz4FypW+V72MvB2o4xvFtdcPz Ta3WbnPehpRxC1y95JzRweLn1s4m1PeomN+6U0p6EFK95PAa1I/uZzrPHkSG1DEA pN2tjMYTkgpe7FJlBL2TAjQ6yApd83Ik8+niEIMB8m+9xP5eaE6ME8KgIUhETJOL GT7b3/lYikYr4yeOv2/rNKbXuPdGTDfkks8eK0oTQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=CXcZT9 7ZB5pZ8RHApSDMBQkVYD8GDK0VrOf2Y1hIHPk=; b=RLnqbkkZNh3Il8rWXu9Exn ajKvanlxms14xl/zUZbBpxS3pWAoTO2PuIEb5v2Pft2thh8oVCJNUvVBLrn1PnXz 7rS0VhdaVTvEtnHWcLg7w1178Hr6xytZa4BhsCKrRAo39GqeND+I55Syp9TD30/4 j3VbecTaQUtx7MeUGjlFGtmNfwW2hRySwVrnKZG1Qo/fRqqUR2P/MbI7IuAXER8K t+4Y/bujehi14NgEWbFyobDGk/nwMg2p1btG3zrrkoxf9kN8xqzYVwRGq7TDcDUo rrU0TQYJlST5gzYlQ6dNVHTslwXmHu9t1+zaf8Hhx5O2+nqbGbtvFen/NwMVRJvA == X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Sender: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id D69E19E0AA; Tue, 29 May 2018 12:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1527610606.3260548.1389306840.104EE88D@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: Alexey Melnikov To: John Levine , dcrup@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-397f98d6 In-Reply-To: <20180529155705.41CC72749923@ary.qy> Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 17:16:46 +0100 References: <20180529155705.41CC72749923@ary.qy> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] AD review of draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09 X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 16:16:49 -0000 On Tue, May 29, 2018, at 4:57 PM, John Levine wrote: > In article > <1527583238.2346886.1388803096.0ADB2161@webmail.messagingengine.com> you > write: > >This is a short document, so I've started IETF LC on it. > > > >I have some nits though: > > > >Abstract > > > > This document adds a new signing algorithm to DKIM. > > > >This is a bit short, as it doesn't give a reader enough details to decide whether or not to read further. Please mention the added algorithm! > > How about this: > > This document adds a new signing algorithm, ed25519-sha256, to DKIM. > DKIM verifiers are required to implemenent this algorithm. > > Other nits are fine, will fix them once we agree on the abstract. Yes, I think this is perfect! From nobody Tue May 29 14:09:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietf.org Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEBF12EBC0; Tue, 29 May 2018 14:09:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: Cc: dcrup@ietf.org, ipr-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152762818505.29577.9686621496242287084@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 14:09:45 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Dcrup] IPR Disclosure Jim Fenton's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto belonging to Cisco Technology Inc. X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 21:09:45 -0000 Dear John R. Levine: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "A new cryptographic signature method for DKIM" (draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3199/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Jim Fenton's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto belonging to Cisco Technology Inc." Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Tue May 29 16:31:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietf.org Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9896512ECCA; Tue, 29 May 2018 16:31:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dcrup@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152763671258.27646.3714021101511981401@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 16:31:52 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Dcrup] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-10.txt X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 23:31:53 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DKIM Crypto Update WG of the IETF. Title : A new cryptographic signature method for DKIM Author : John Levine Filename : draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-10.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2018-05-29 Abstract: This document adds a new signing algorithm to DKIM, ed25519-sha256. DKIM verifiers are required to implement this algorithm. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue May 29 16:32:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D196C12ECB1 for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 16:32:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.752 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.752 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=r0KYQR/c; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=ZfDfC5e+ Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4v725o2clb5H for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 16:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51FF112EA54 for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 16:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32323 invoked from network); 29 May 2018 23:32:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=7e3f.5b0de302.k1805; bh=9hUMo7V6gDMaT0fMO3pGB+iz3O0aIFfHa+Zjlx0WTdI=; b=r0KYQR/cJFS2LNITUfX9eQp+Duhh6v2wtWZeD2h0s2v0xHCyKI0F+lOspkiT+HmYWLnuyH56FWDY14QKfe5x4C9axzOnpmQhIyZW41oRtiBe4A0gaCrCSFnwf4rkoCnXwbgENDoqxQXM2rojoG3You5KxyQlRnHApGB2GihAP48CchdvxC89z46ZX/zfZ5rScAMf8xt/FtmKsyILGPmzS7UUIO0BlDpFQ4Wk00ISLNSjC2ntfMtJSzHGjIoouMyu DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=7e3f.5b0de302.k1805; bh=9hUMo7V6gDMaT0fMO3pGB+iz3O0aIFfHa+Zjlx0WTdI=; b=ZfDfC5e+mmJEPfDDOfCo/uZxat4RxmR2cyp5yLc9kcz71sp4ob2TMrwf4plExGz/MOGUWQbxL2oDnDm1LJ94wkLPLWlZOVEdV+CoQ0w3MKSXY01Bedc/BPXXoOtR3XMkX2VpWUklfrpo4M2ES4wEnE3epDJ+4vGt72w2F033EbBceeOy4ZIdgkiCQVatG3MwFsE0GFPK1d7Qi/nRNUtcctIU/ptqFkCoipOA/Ura7ugstjyOkSusSVTzMVj+yrcy Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTP via TCP6; 29 May 2018 23:32:17 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id B070C2754238; Tue, 29 May 2018 19:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: 29 May 2018 19:32:16 -0400 Message-Id: <20180529233217.B070C2754238@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: dcrup@ietf.org Cc: aamelnikov@fastmail.fm In-Reply-To: <1527583238.2346886.1388803096.0ADB2161@webmail.messagingengine.com> Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] AD review of draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09 X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 23:32:28 -0000 In article <1527583238.2346886.1388803096.0ADB2161@webmail.messagingengine.com> you write: >This is a short document, so I've started IETF LC on it. > >I have some nits though: Fixed in -10. R's, John From nobody Wed May 30 13:26:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DEE12E8D1 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DE59up9FBVaI for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 13:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD86912E8B1 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 13:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA33300A14 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 16:26:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Xm6SrNWZLzgv for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 16:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DC4D300261; Wed, 30 May 2018 16:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <152759906865.25595.11709363913593626988.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 16:26:13 -0400 Cc: dcrup@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <152759906865.25595.11709363913593626988.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: IETF X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dcrup] Last Call: (A new cryptographic signature method for DKIM) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 20:26:18 -0000 I have three comments on draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto-09. In section 3, this document says that it uses "PureEDdSA"; however, RFC = 8032 provide a definition for PureEdDSA. I assume this is a simple = typo. How hard would it be to expand section 6 to include an example of two = selectors being used, one with RSA and one with ed25519? If it is = pretty easy, I think it would help the reader. RFC 6376 have an extensive security considerations section. This = document should point out that the private key protection discussed in = Section 8.3 of RFC 6376 applies to the ed25519 private key. In = addition, I think there should be a section similar to Section 8.13 of = RFC 6376 in this document; it might just be a pointer to Section 8 of = RFC 8032. Russ > On May 29, 2018, at 9:04 AM, The IESG wrote: >=20 >=20 > The IESG has received a request from the DKIM Crypto Update WG (dcrup) = to > consider the following document: - 'A new cryptographic signature = method for > DKIM' > as Proposed Standard >=20 > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits = final > comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2018-06-12. Exceptionally, comments may = be > sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the = beginning of > the Subject line to allow automated sorting. >=20 > Abstract >=20 >=20 > This document adds a new signing algorithm to DKIM. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The file can be obtained via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto/ >=20 > IESG discussion can be tracked via > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-crypto/ballot/ >=20 > The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3025/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20