From nobody Sun Jul 1 10:49:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4280F130ECF; Sun, 1 Jul 2018 10:49:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vtyhPSoIMaAb; Sun, 1 Jul 2018 10:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13D72130E7B; Sun, 1 Jul 2018 10:48:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w61Hmqwp023279; Sun, 1 Jul 2018 19:48:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.114] (p5DC7FF04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.199.255.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 41JdD42gxwzDXdT; Sun, 1 Jul 2018 19:48:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 552160130.262315-1c6e6210815636f22af02fa159785a11 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.4 \(3445.8.2\)) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 19:48:51 +0200 To: suit , teep@ietf.org, din@irtf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.8.2) Archived-At: Subject: [Din] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF102: FINAL AGENDA X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2018 17:49:08 -0000 I forgot to send the update of my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the "FINAL" AGENDA for IETF102. Remember that "FINAL" means this will be the basis for printed agenda sheets, there is still some potential for changes after that. The only change from the previous draft agenda (apart from different room assignments) seems to be the move of SECDISPATCH on top of the first CORE slot and of SUIT into what previously was the SECDISPATCH slot. The conflicts ACE vs. DISPATCH as well as CBOR vs. 6LO vs. TEEP remain. All times are EDT (UTC-0400). (You can get pure UTC times on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc, for those who want to listen from remote.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten SATURDAY/SUNDAY -- Hackathon (including various interops) (Centre Ville) -- Sun 1800-2000: HotRFC (Viger) MONDAY, July 16, 2018 0930-1200 Morning Session I Duluth ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA Laurier INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Place du Canada RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Viger SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Laurier INT ipwave IP Wireless Access in Vehicular = Environments WG Place du Canada SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Duluth ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Laurier INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Viger SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG 1810-1940 Afternoon Session III Laurier GEN rfcplusplus The label "RFC" BOF TUESDAY, July 17, 2018 0930-1200 Morning Session I Place du Canada IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting St-Paul/St-Cath RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Duluth RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Van Horne ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG Duluth INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Laurier RTG rtgarea Routing Area Open Meeting Viger SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG 1550-1820 Afternoon Session II Place du Canada ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Viger IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum - 1720 - 1820 Centre Ville IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking Van Horne SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG - 1720 - 1820 Van Horne SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG - 1550 - = 1720 Duluth TSV taps Transport Services WG WEDNESDAY, July 18, 2018 0930-1200 Morning Session I Van Horne OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG St-Paul/St-Cath RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Duluth SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG Place du Canada TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Laurier ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Duluth INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE = 802.15.4e WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Centre Ville INT homenet Home Networking WG Viger TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting THURSDAY, July 19, 2018 0930-1200 Morning Session I Duluth INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG Centre Ville INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks = WG Place du Canada IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Viger SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG Van Horne SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG - 0930 - = 1100 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Laurier OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Centre Ville RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG Place du Canada SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Laurier IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing Viger OPS driu DNS Resolver Identification and Use BOF Centre Ville TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1810-1910 Afternoon Session III Van Horne ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Laurier SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Centre Ville TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG FRIDAY, July 20, 2018 0930-1130 Morning Session I Centre Ville IRTF*** dinrg Decentralized Internet Infrastructure = Proposed RG Place du Canada OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG St-Paul/St-Cath TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance = Techniques WG 1150-1320 Afternoon Session I Duluth INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG Laurier IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking Proposed RG Centre Ville SEC tokbind Token Binding WG From nobody Sun Jul 1 21:00:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A25130DDE; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 10:14:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TfAaRoUDBZvt; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 10:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roura.ac.upc.es (roura.ac.upc.edu [147.83.33.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C6F130DDC; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 10:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from correu-1.ac.upc.es (correu-1.ac.upc.es [147.83.30.91]) by roura.ac.upc.es (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w5THEDQn030964; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 19:14:13 +0200 Received: from [147.83.35.225] (dync-35-225.ac.upc.es [147.83.35.225]) by correu-1.ac.upc.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 851D21D8; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 19:14:08 +0200 (CEST) References: <153028668788.30332.9615982545028670114.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jordi_Pailliss=c3=a9_Vilanova?= To: sidrops@ietf.org, din@irtf.org, Stephane Bortzmeyer , sandy@tislabs.com, Greg Skinner , leo@vegoda.org, "natal@cisco.com" , Vina Ermagan , Fabio Maino , Albert Cabellos , opsec@ietf.org X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <153028668788.30332.9615982545028670114.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 19:14:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <153028668788.30332.9615982545028670114.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6517C357FD281E5EC18C425E" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 01 Jul 2018 21:00:25 -0700 Subject: [Din] blockchain for IP addresses draft update X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 17:14:30 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6517C357FD281E5EC18C425E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (apologies for cross-posting) Dear all, We have submitted a new version of the draft addressing comments received both on the mailing list and IETF meetings. Thanks to all of you for taking the time to read the draft :) Regards, Jordi -------- Missatge reenviat -------- Assumpte: New Version Notification for draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain-02.txt Data: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 08:38:07 -0700 De: internet-drafts@ietf.org A: Alberto Rodriguez-Natal , Vina Ermagan , Leo Vegoda , Albert Cabellos , Albert Cabellos-Aparicio , Jordi Paillisse , Fabio Maino A new version of I-D, draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain-02.txt has been successfully submitted by Jordi Paillisse and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain Revision: 02 Title: An analysis of the applicability of blockchain to secure IP addresses allocation, delegation and bindings. Document date: 2018-06-28 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 30 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain-02.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain-02 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain-02 Abstract: This document analyzes how blockchain technology can be used to secure the allocation, delegation and binding to topological information of the IP address space. The main outcomes of the analysis are that blockchain is suitable in environments with multiple distrusting parties and that Proof of Stake is a potential candidate for a consensus algorithm. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Dear all,

We have submitted a new version of the draft addressing comments received both on the mailing list and IETF meetings.

Thanks to all of you for taking the time to read the draft :)

Regards,

Jordi

-------- Missatge reenviat --------
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Data: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 08:38:07 -0700
De: internet-drafts@ietf.org
A: Alberto Rodriguez-Natal <natal@cisco.com>, Vina Ermagan <vermagan@cisco.com>, Leo Vegoda <leo@vegoda.org>, Albert Cabellos <acabello@ac.upc.edu>, Albert Cabellos-Aparicio <acabello@ac.upc.edu>, Jordi Paillisse <jordip@ac.upc.edu>, Fabio Maino <fmaino@cisco.com> 


A new version of I-D, draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain-02.txt
has been successfully submitted by Jordi Paillisse and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:		draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain
Revision:	02
Title:		An analysis of the applicability of blockchain to secure IP addresses allocation, delegation and bindings.
Document date:	2018-06-28
Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		30
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain-02.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain-02
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain
Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-paillisse-sidrops-blockchain-02

Abstract:
   This document analyzes how blockchain technology can be used to
   secure the allocation, delegation and binding to topological
   information of the IP address space.  The main outcomes of the
   analysis are that blockchain is suitable in environments with
   multiple distrusting parties and that Proof of Stake is a potential
   candidate for a consensus algorithm.

                                                                                  


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--------------6517C357FD281E5EC18C425E-- From nobody Mon Jul 2 09:31:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45010131232; Mon, 2 Jul 2018 08:59:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=scs.stanford.edu Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TFQIl9RJswMN; Mon, 2 Jul 2018 08:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from market.scs.stanford.edu (www.scs.stanford.edu [IPv6:2001:470:806d:1::9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 498901311F7; Mon, 2 Jul 2018 08:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from market.scs.stanford.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by market.scs.stanford.edu (8.16.0.21/8.16.0.21) with ESMTP id w62Fx78L007573; Mon, 2 Jul 2018 08:59:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=scs.stanford.edu; s=scs; t=1530547147; bh=J4+IAUYnsSmQd294Zlx/YfbQ+1TD14gjIJI2Wd5xxJs=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version; b=D3iOOmqNAhcS+RbA53lbjOlCFukofkhdErCxcUvj2banA7eKdsvlDgSz1+8bJbIRQ 35fyD7N4w7TO0bR11pqudzygknnPAhAVTfZWAIrLgRJ6tijB8618gPiaygtA0Iuw5d PTuwVQVtmfjcjPrXHv59bxqlGfonVPwSztelDJr8= Received: (from dm@localhost) by market.scs.stanford.edu (8.16.0.21/8.16.0.21/Submit) id w62Fx52u043820; Mon, 2 Jul 2018 08:59:05 -0700 (PDT) From: David Mazieres To: Jordi =?utf-8?Q?Pailliss=C3=A9?= Vilanova , sidrops@ietf.org, din@irtf.org, Stephane Bortzmeyer , sandy@tislabs.com, Greg Skinner , leo@vegoda.org, "natal\@cisco.com" , Vina Ermagan , Fabio Maino , Albert Cabellos , opsec@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <153028668788.30332.9615982545028670114.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: David Mazieres expires 2018-09-30 PDT Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 08:59:10 -0700 Message-ID: <87lgat633l.fsf@ta.scs.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 09:31:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [Din] blockchain for IP addresses draft update X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 15:59:30 -0000 Jordi Pailliss=C3=A9 Vilanova writes: > (apologies for cross-posting) > > Dear all, > > We have submitted a new version of the draft addressing comments=20 > received both on the mailing list and IETF meetings. > > Thanks to all of you for taking the time to read the draft :) > > Regards, > > Jordi Very interesting draft. One high-level comment, I would avoid terms like "tamper-proof" or really anything-"proof" except possibly in the context of information-theoretic security, in favor of tamper-resistant. This is particularly important in the context of blockchains that have experienced a number of forks in practice and where it would likely take only a few tens of millions of dollars a day to tamper with history. I think the draft would benefit from a much finer-grained consideration of several different forms of proof-of-stake, because there are a number of assertions that do not hold for all forms of proof of stake. E.g., will there be delegation like peercoin, randomization like algorand, penalties like Casper, sleepy nodes like snowwhite? And while of course I'm biased on this issue, I think that a Byzantine-agreement-based approach like SCP (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mazieres-dinrg-scp/) would work better than PoS. SCP is well matched to the Internet peering model, which we already know is a workable decentralized governance model. You may not agree, but it would at least be nice for the document to explain why you reject this approach. David From nobody Tue Jul 3 05:46:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC22130EB9 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2018 05:46:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.125 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.125 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2=0.874, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=hotmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ozWpBpLYyr2P for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2018 05:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from APC01-SG2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092253051.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.253.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6F84130EBE for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I have uploaded a document to the web, which is about several imp= ortant use cases based on DIN, including: blockchain based PKI for securi= ty device connection, blockchain as a service, interworking cross blockcha= in (exchange data and contracts cross different chains). The link is https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-yang-usecase-din-01.txt= . Hope to get your feedback and suggestions. Thanks for your time. Best wishes. --_000_PN1PR01MB0157CBB3406E5397BF764289A7420PN1PR01MB0157INDP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

          I have uploaded a do= cument to the web, which is about several important use cases based on= DIN, including: blockchain based PKI for   security device conne= ction, blockchain as a service, interworking  cross blockchain (exchan= ge data and contracts cross different chains).

          Hope to get your fee= dback and suggestions. Thanks for your time.

          Best wishes.

--_000_PN1PR01MB0157CBB3406E5397BF764289A7420PN1PR01MB0157INDP_-- From nobody Tue Jul 3 09:03:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@irtf.org Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA23613104B; Tue, 3 Jul 2018 09:00:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: din@irtf.org, irtf-chair@irtf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153063361681.4893.17424800758369675985.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 09:00:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Din] dinrg - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 102 X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 16:00:25 -0000 Dear Dirk Kutscher, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. dinrg Session 1 (2:30 requested) Friday, 20 July 2018, Morning Session I 0930-1130 Room Name: Centre Ville size: 200 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/sessions/dinrg.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Decentralized Internet Infrastructure Proposed RG Area Name: IRTF Session Requester: Dirk Kutscher Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 70 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: icnrg trans tls Second Priority: ace People who must be present: Melinda Shore Dirk Kutscher Resources Requested: Special Requests: - not on Monday - at IETF-101, we had more people than expected. It's difficult to predict this time, but perhaps try to give us a larger room (with more than 50 seats) if possible -- thanks. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Jul 4 21:08:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51AD130E3B; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 04:28:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y7RDy6qVhZrF; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 04:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roura.ac.upc.es (roura.ac.upc.es [147.83.33.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F952130DCE; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 04:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from correu-2.ac.upc.es (correu-2.ac.upc.es [147.83.30.92]) by roura.ac.upc.es (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w64BSGja007150; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:28:16 +0200 Received: from [147.83.35.225] (dync-35-225.ac.upc.es [147.83.35.225]) by correu-2.ac.upc.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5EC98165; Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:28:11 +0200 (CEST) To: David Mazieres expires 2018-09-30 PDT , sidrops@ietf.org, din@irtf.org, Stephane Bortzmeyer , sandy@tislabs.com, Greg Skinner , leo@vegoda.org, "natal@cisco.com" , Vina Ermagan , Fabio Maino , Albert Cabellos , opsec@ietf.org References: <153028668788.30332.9615982545028670114.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <87lgat633l.fsf@ta.scs.stanford.edu> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jordi_Pailliss=c3=a9_Vilanova?= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:28:11 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87lgat633l.fsf@ta.scs.stanford.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------556A0A05FB0DA42423EC9986" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 21:08:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [Din] blockchain for IP addresses draft update X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 11:28:37 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------556A0A05FB0DA42423EC9986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi David, Indeed, we did not delve deeper into the PoS algorithm. This depends on the specific implementation, our opinion is that an Algroand-like would be a good option, and if it can tolerate a large portion of offline participants even better. In addition, we think that punishing or deposit mechanisms are not desirable because they don't fit the characteristics of the scenario. Overall the incentive is "a more secure Internet", we believe that this is well-aligned with the economical interests of the participants. Regarding SCP, the fact that you only need to trust your neighbours may prove very convenient in this scenario. As you said, it reflects current Internet trust schemes, this basically means that BGP Peering = Trust = Stellar quorum slices. We'll look into this for the next iteration of the draft. Thanks Jordi El 02/07/18 a les 17:59, David Mazieres ha escrit: > Jordi Paillissé Vilanova writes: > >> (apologies for cross-posting) >> >> Dear all, >> >> We have submitted a new version of the draft addressing comments >> received both on the mailing list and IETF meetings. >> >> Thanks to all of you for taking the time to read the draft :) >> >> Regards, >> >> Jordi > Very interesting draft. One high-level comment, I would avoid terms > like "tamper-proof" or really anything-"proof" except possibly in the > context of information-theoretic security, in favor of tamper-resistant. > This is particularly important in the context of blockchains that have > experienced a number of forks in practice and where it would likely take > only a few tens of millions of dollars a day to tamper with history. > > I think the draft would benefit from a much finer-grained consideration > of several different forms of proof-of-stake, because there are a number > of assertions that do not hold for all forms of proof of stake. E.g., > will there be delegation like peercoin, randomization like algorand, > penalties like Casper, sleepy nodes like snowwhite? > > And while of course I'm biased on this issue, I think that a > Byzantine-agreement-based approach like SCP > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mazieres-dinrg-scp/) would work > better than PoS. SCP is well matched to the Internet peering model, > which we already know is a workable decentralized governance model. You > may not agree, but it would at least be nice for the document to explain > why you reject this approach. > > David --------------556A0A05FB0DA42423EC9986 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi David,

Indeed, we did not delve deeper into the PoS algorithm. This depends on the specific implementation, our opinion is that an Algroand-like would be a good option, and if it can tolerate a large portion of offline participants even better. In addition, we think that punishing or deposit mechanisms are not desirable because they don't fit the characteristics of the scenario. Overall the incentive is "a more secure Internet", we believe that this is well-aligned with the economical interests of the participants.

Regarding SCP, the fact that you only need to trust your neighbours may prove very convenient in this scenario. As you said, it reflects current Internet trust schemes, this basically means that BGP Peering = Trust = Stellar quorum slices. We'll look into this for the next iteration of the draft.

Thanks

Jordi


El 02/07/18 a les 17:59, David Mazieres ha escrit:
Jordi Paillissé Vilanova <jordip@ac.upc.edu> writes:


(apologies for cross-posting)

Dear all,

We have submitted a new version of the draft addressing comments 
received both on the mailing list and IETF meetings.

Thanks to all of you for taking the time to read the draft :)

Regards,

Jordi

Very interesting draft.  One high-level comment, I would avoid terms
like "tamper-proof" or really anything-"proof" except possibly in the
context of information-theoretic security, in favor of tamper-resistant.
This is particularly important in the context of blockchains that have
experienced a number of forks in practice and where it would likely take
only a few tens of millions of dollars a day to tamper with history.

I think the draft would benefit from a much finer-grained consideration
of several different forms of proof-of-stake, because there are a number
of assertions that do not hold for all forms of proof of stake.  E.g.,
will there be delegation like peercoin, randomization like algorand,
penalties like Casper, sleepy nodes like snowwhite?

And while of course I'm biased on this issue, I think that a
Byzantine-agreement-based approach like SCP
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mazieres-dinrg-scp/) would work
better than PoS.  SCP is well matched to the Internet peering model,
which we already know is a workable decentralized governance model.  You
may not agree, but it would at least be nice for the document to explain
why you reject this approach.

David

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MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9BC0DE80-D827-414B-916B-C102C3460563@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C635D4B6DCE5FBC5E32EEF32" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 21:08:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [Din] [OPSEC] blockchain for IP addresses draft update X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 15:50:40 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C635D4B6DCE5FBC5E32EEF32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Roque, We have built an open-source prototype [1], and it works like you mentioned: the genesis block includes the public keys that the RP has to trust. It is a one-time action in which you trust the source code and the keys contained in it. Thanks for your comments, we'll include them in the next version. Regards, Jordi [1] https://github.com/OpenOverlayRouter/blockchain-mapping-system El 04/07/18 a les 14:09, Roque Gagliano (rogaglia) ha escrit: > > Hi Jordi, > > Very good document. > > I hate to ask things without providing code but I believe it would be > great if you add a section regarding the “relying party”, how would > the validation algorithm would look like and what is the bootstrap > process. I can see that some public key info would need to be known by > the RP. > > Regards, > > Roque > > *From: *OPSEC on behalf of Jordi Paillissé > Vilanova > *Date: *Wednesday 4 July 2018 at 13:28 > *To: *David Mazieres expires 2018-09-30 PDT > , > "sidrops@ietf.org" , "din@irtf.org" , > Stephane Bortzmeyer , "sandy@tislabs.com" > , Greg Skinner , > "leo@vegoda.org" , "Alberto Rodriguez Natal (natal)" > , "Vina Ermagan (vermagan)" , > "Fabio Maino (fmaino)" , Albert Cabellos > , "opsec@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [OPSEC] [Din] blockchain for IP addresses draft update > > Hi David, > > Indeed, we did not delve deeper into the PoS algorithm. This depends > on the specific implementation, our opinion is that an Algroand-like > would be a good option, and if it can tolerate a large portion of > offline participants even better. In addition, we think that punishing > or deposit mechanisms are not desirable because they don't fit the > characteristics of the scenario. Overall the incentive is "a more > secure Internet", we believe that this is well-aligned with the > economical interests of the participants. > > Regarding SCP, the fact that you only need to trust your neighbours > may prove very convenient in this scenario. As you said, it reflects > current Internet trust schemes, this basically means that BGP Peering > = Trust = Stellar quorum slices. We'll look into this for the next > iteration of the draft. > > Thanks > > Jordi > > El 02/07/18 a les 17:59, David Mazieres ha escrit: > > Jordi Paillissé Vilanova writes: > > (apologies for cross-posting) > > Dear all, > > We have submitted a new version of the draft addressing comments > > received both on the mailing list and IETF meetings. > > Thanks to all of you for taking the time to read the draft :) > > Regards, > > Jordi > > Very interesting draft.  One high-level comment, I would avoid terms > > like "tamper-proof" or really anything-"proof" except possibly in the > > context of information-theoretic security, in favor of tamper-resistant. > > This is particularly important in the context of blockchains that have > > experienced a number of forks in practice and where it would likely take > > only a few tens of millions of dollars a day to tamper with history. > > I think the draft would benefit from a much finer-grained consideration > > of several different forms of proof-of-stake, because there are a number > > of assertions that do not hold for all forms of proof of stake.  E.g., > > will there be delegation like peercoin, randomization like algorand, > > penalties like Casper, sleepy nodes like snowwhite? > > And while of course I'm biased on this issue, I think that a > > Byzantine-agreement-based approach like SCP > > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mazieres-dinrg-scp/) would work > > better than PoS.  SCP is well matched to the Internet peering model, > > which we already know is a workable decentralized governance model.  You > > may not agree, but it would at least be nice for the document to explain > > why you reject this approach. > > David > > > --------------C635D4B6DCE5FBC5E32EEF32 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Roque,

We have built an open-source prototype [1], and it works like you mentioned: the genesis block includes the public keys that the RP has to trust. It is a one-time action in which you trust the source code and the keys contained in it.

Thanks for your comments, we'll include them in the next version.

Regards,

Jordi

[1] https://github.com/OpenOverlayRouter/blockchain-mapping-system


El 04/07/18 a les 14:09, Roque Gagliano (rogaglia) ha escrit:

Hi Jordi,

 

Very good document.

 

I hate to ask things without providing code but I believe it would be great if you add a section regarding the “relying party”, how would the validation algorithm would look like and what is the bootstrap process. I can see that some public key info would need to be known by the RP.

 

Regards,

Roque

 

 

From: OPSEC <opsec-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Jordi Paillissé Vilanova <jordip@ac.upc.edu>
Date: Wednesday 4 July 2018 at 13:28
To: David Mazieres expires 2018-09-30 PDT <mazieres-pebagr7ysjghwpqkcqqnjjf4ta@temporary-address.scs.stanford.edu>, "sidrops@ietf.org" <sidrops@ietf.org>, "din@irtf.org" <din@irtf.org>, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>, "sandy@tislabs.com" <sandy@tislabs.com>, Greg Skinner <gregskinner0@icloud.com>, "leo@vegoda.org" <leo@vegoda.org>, "Alberto Rodriguez Natal (natal)" <natal@cisco.com>, "Vina Ermagan (vermagan)" <vermagan@cisco.com>, "Fabio Maino (fmaino)" <fmaino@cisco.com>, Albert Cabellos <acabello@ac.upc.edu>, "opsec@ietf.org" <opsec@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [OPSEC] [Din] blockchain for IP addresses draft update

 

Hi David,

Indeed, we did not delve deeper into the PoS algorithm. This depends on the specific implementation, our opinion is that an Algroand-like would be a good option, and if it can tolerate a large portion of offline participants even better. In addition, we think that punishing or deposit mechanisms are not desirable because they don't fit the characteristics of the scenario. Overall the incentive is "a more secure Internet", we believe that this is well-aligned with the economical interests of the participants.

Regarding SCP, the fact that you only need to trust your neighbours may prove very convenient in this scenario. As you said, it reflects current Internet trust schemes, this basically means that BGP Peering = Trust = Stellar quorum slices. We'll look into this for the next iteration of the draft.

Thanks

Jordi

 

El 02/07/18 a les 17:59, David Mazieres ha escrit:

Jordi Paillissé Vilanova <jordip@ac.upc.edu> writes:
 
(apologies for cross-posting)
 
Dear all,
 
We have submitted a new version of the draft addressing comments 
received both on the mailing list and IETF meetings.
 
Thanks to all of you for taking the time to read the draft :)
 
Regards,
 
Jordi
Very interesting draft.  One high-level comment, I would avoid terms
like "tamper-proof" or really anything-"proof" except possibly in the
context of information-theoretic security, in favor of tamper-resistant.
This is particularly important in the context of blockchains that have
experienced a number of forks in practice and where it would likely take
only a few tens of millions of dollars a day to tamper with history.
 
I think the draft would benefit from a much finer-grained consideration
of several different forms of proof-of-stake, because there are a number
of assertions that do not hold for all forms of proof of stake.  E.g.,
will there be delegation like peercoin, randomization like algorand,
penalties like Casper, sleepy nodes like snowwhite?
 
And while of course I'm biased on this issue, I think that a
Byzantine-agreement-based approach like SCP
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mazieres-dinrg-scp/) would work
better than PoS.  SCP is well matched to the Internet peering model,
which we already know is a workable decentralized governance model.  You
may not agree, but it would at least be nice for the document to explain
why you reject this approach.
 
David




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Please take a look and send comments to the mailing list. As I think most of you know, proposed research groups may meet for a year before a decision is made to charter them, or not, and we will be at the one-year mark in Montreal. We want to make sure the charter text reflects the direction we'd like to take and the work we'd intend to undertake once chartered. The current draft is at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17V6dAawxdda_oiul3p1ssRDYSlHFOe9CnXn-4iLTCdI/edit?usp=sharing Many thanks, Melinda & Dirk -- Software longa, hardware brevis PGP fingerprint: 4F68 2D93 2A17 96F8 20F2 34C0 DFB8 9172 9A76 DB8F From nobody Sun Jul 8 14:24:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C25130E9C for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2018 14:24:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.916 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.916 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nsZ9qO_rHSoS for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2018 14:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netsweng.com (ec2-54-202-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com [54.202.138.238]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CD112F1AB for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2018 14:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from android-5e60a78320448b87 (209-188-119-117.taosnet.com [209.188.119.117]) by mail.netsweng.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 13C1260144; Sun, 8 Jul 2018 21:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2018 15:24:05 -0600 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> References: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----3SU6R22SY4JCP3KGYDZILJ56UL28Y4" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: din@irtf.org, Melinda Shore , "din@irtf.org" From: Mats Wichmann Message-ID: Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 08 Jul 2018 14:24:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2018 21:24:09 -0000 ------3SU6R22SY4JCP3KGYDZILJ56UL28Y4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the paragraph under Research Challenges is not making much sense as written= =2E=2E=2E there is at least an extra "intensive", and the contrast "less at= tention, despite" doesn't really click either=2E On July 8, 2018 2:34:08 PM MDT, Melinda Shore wrote: >Hi, all: > >We've updated the proposed charter based on discussions we've >had with participants over the past several weeks, and we're >looking for additional feedback=2E Please take a look and send >comments to the mailing list=2E As I think most of you know, >proposed research groups may meet for a year before a decision >is made to charter them, or not, and we will be at the one-year >mark in Montreal=2E We want to make sure the charter text >reflects the direction we'd like to take and the work we'd >intend to undertake once chartered=2E > >The current draft is at: >https://docs=2Egoogle=2Ecom/document/d/17V6dAawxdda_oiul3p1ssRDYSlHFOe9Cn= Xn-4iLTCdI/edit?usp=3Dsharing > >Many thanks, > >Melinda & Dirk > >--=20 >Software longa, hardware brevis > >PGP fingerprint: 4F68 2D93 2A17 96F8 20F2 > 34C0 DFB8 9172 9A76 DB8F > >_______________________________________________ >Din mailing list >Din@irtf=2Eorg >https://www=2Eirtf=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/din --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------3SU6R22SY4JCP3KGYDZILJ56UL28Y4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the paragraph under Research Challenges is not mak= ing much sense as written=2E=2E=2E there is at least an extra "intensi= ve", and the contrast "less attention, despite" doesn't = really click either=2E

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Many thanks,

Melinda & Dirk

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Here my two comments ab= out the new charter: 1.The deliverables are not mentioned, so currently is there any plan for th= e deliverables? 2.In the Research Challenge section, a new entry "Disambiguation in decentr= alized naming and trust systems" is added, it seems not quite clear to me h= ow to interpret it, so is there any background for adding this entry? Thanks! Regards, -Xinpeng -----Original Message----- From: Din [mailto:din-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Shore Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 4:34 AM To: din@irtf.org Subject: [Din] Updated charter proposal Hi, all: We've updated the proposed charter based on discussions we've had with part= icipants over the past several weeks, and we're looking for additional feed= back. Please take a look and send comments to the mailing list. As I thin= k most of you know, proposed research groups may meet for a year before a d= ecision is made to charter them, or not, and we will be at the one-year mar= k in Montreal. We want to make sure the charter text reflects the directio= n we'd like to take and the work we'd intend to undertake once chartered. The current draft is at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17V6dAawxdda_oiul3p1ssRDYSlHFOe9CnXn-4iL= TCdI/edit?usp=3Dsharing Many thanks, Melinda & Dirk -- Software longa, hardware brevis PGP fingerprint: 4F68 2D93 2A17 96F8 20F2 34C0 DFB8 9172 9A76 DB8F _______________________________________________ Din mailing list Din@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din From nobody Mon Jul 9 00:35:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEB6130E10 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 00:35:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=scs.stanford.edu Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OiSf_X3ACRpF for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 00:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from market.scs.stanford.edu (www.scs.stanford.edu [IPv6:2001:470:806d:1::9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14D57130DDA for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 00:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from market.scs.stanford.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by market.scs.stanford.edu (8.16.0.21/8.16.0.21) with ESMTP id w697ZDkM082082; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 00:35:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=scs.stanford.edu; s=scs; t=1531121713; bh=NNqiHOxsutbbDNBwlCbmRGJB3mugIhVdMka8CaEPV+c=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version; b=cEp1i+IT2MUEOOjOMBNc+i+GB/D7/ylIE9Y5QsstbsCURkdA8SrqwMKYpVd7Sn5va kXVBXxRWfhZbY7o539kFMzoqqX+VtZtHLOSbwWdZnZr5MnqEwuAjVH9rq2rkY2UnkY /oQesBLPi6873e40yzihCkR8EROyldNeUPX+q6xs= Received: (from dm@localhost) by market.scs.stanford.edu (8.16.0.21/8.16.0.21/Submit) id w697ZDdO087372; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 00:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Mazieres To: Melinda Shore , "din\@irtf.org" In-Reply-To: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> References: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> Reply-To: David Mazieres expires 2018-10-07 PDT Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 00:35:13 -0700 Message-ID: <87d0vw50b2.fsf@ta.scs.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 07:35:20 -0000 Melinda Shore writes: > Hi, all: > > We've updated the proposed charter based on discussions we've > had with participants over the past several weeks, and we're > looking for additional feedback. Please take a look and send > comments to the mailing list. As I think most of you know, > proposed research groups may meet for a year before a decision > is made to charter them, or not, and we will be at the one-year > mark in Montreal. We want to make sure the charter text > reflects the direction we'd like to take and the work we'd > intend to undertake once chartered. > > The current draft is at: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/17V6dAawxdda_oiul3p1ssRDYSlHFOe9CnXn-4iLTCdI/edit?usp=sharing Thanks for the work you put into this. A few comments: The focus of DINRG is on infrastructure services that can benefit from decentralization or that are difficult to realize in local, potentially connectivity-constrained networks. Some of the naming and trust issues would seem to fall under this focus only indirectly. Yes, they are difficult to realize locally because you don't fully trust any local environment. But as read, it sounds like the main limitation of local is that it's potentially connectivity constrained, while that is only one of several issued. Some of the increase in centralization is due to business models that rely on centralized accounting and administration, but there are also cases where centralization is the result of hierarchical trust models which rely on "trusted third parties.". But isn't a big hypothesis here that some of the increase is due neither to business models nor to inherent hierarchical trust, but rather just to missing infrastructure? A kind of dumb but hugely impactful example would be the use of cloud services where you don't need huge data or aggregation over many users, but just because NAT traversal and dynamic IP addresses are a pain. An example closer to the working group would be HSTS preload lists maintained in a centralized fashion by the browser vendors, simply because there's not a good Internet infrastructure for web site operators to construct these lists in a decentralized fashion. regular several physical meetings per year. Probably mean "several regular" David From nobody Mon Jul 9 00:59:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F7B130DDA for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 00:59:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NFrFcTS5FqI9 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 00:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gorgon.tele.no (gorgon.tele.no [IPv6:2001:700:800::70]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F6D51277CC for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 00:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([::1]) by gorgon.tele.no with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fcR4d-0001OW-Fg for din@irtf.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2018 09:59:07 +0200 From: Frode Kileng To: din@irtf.org Message-ID: <27902c54-8b50-34bc-65a7-2316a85a10a7@tele.no> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 09:59:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Din] Governance principles and models (Was: Updated charter proposal) X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 07:59:17 -0000 Hi. I think an important lesson from the main public blockchains in operations today is that they are definitively not autonomous and mechanisms are needed to handle the future evolution and problems caused by bugs, human errors, attacks. And that unclear rules and faulty mechanisms undermines the trust and the success of the chains. Se for example the  "constitutional mess" of the ($4bn) EOS blockchain is just the latest example (*) or the Ethereum chain split (**). Or how an ad-hoc community effort was needed to save bitcoin when an integer overflow bug  "created ~92bn more bitcoins than can exists" (***) and when node sw upgrade that caused a bitcoin chain split lasting for 24 blocks / 6 hours (****). Although you could argue that such mechanisms and rules are covered by the charter text "Trust management and delegation in decentralized communication settings", I do recommend to state it more explicitly as both a research challenge and in the list of objectives, i.e. defining the blockchain governance principles and governance model(s) to enforce them. Best regards Frode Kileng (*) https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2018/06/19/eos-cryptocurrency-constitution/, https://www.techinasia.com/eos-at-risk, (**) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethereum#The_DAO_event (***) https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Value_overflow_incident (****) https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0050.mediawiki From nobody Mon Jul 9 08:50:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4643F130DD7 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 08:50:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xseYCHnJ76cA for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 08:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E10112F1A5 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 08:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.43.163] ([89.204.135.169]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue006 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LjPoq-1gDp7O1Jsm-00bYYq for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2018 17:49:58 +0200 From: "Dirk Kutscher" To: din@irtf.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 17:49:53 +0200 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.11.2r5507) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Xwwy4XJlhROnqXVXYbn4EIEhF+NQfZiUMapouthkF7m9mrUYKcy IGZqWHItp4PKoS/on5USH4MB3pJKusRVmcsiUf7qJKUiG/xuGp3gnfIPUAhoDMbatwjNY2F uX9RyJmXvtKcF5STQuPlcE7KETxaAHX3XBfmHuasHuFa1MGxmEa/QJrZ81gs/uFJ1hc10Tb kfK0G2YFYVbMuiaJyqYYQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:gPmyt4szuu4=:/btr8CBxIqkYIphew0rOZg aTatdmJDIFRH/ssnzP//OV/H0ojAiKJ1sT6WfVqWhlNnbFTjM29h8aWP+VigPqZ690lCB1Byv zhy3MRuhZqcIOLmkVzrGQtyYvHFtlhC0PEkWS95h0hu8gW1GrP8Y5C2Rm3Wi7orZfM/tWMUUn b0fh81o1eYWXuMB5H1eLFYf6QCFLYw0upnPOzoOOVg7bhxIec34O2erFGXuMNBUxCQM+lgBUZ yf12GcP3Tz7P1aKL3VCXe8k0eeMhWHoJIPmbDH0Bn7McHPQ8p8k1BRk3PYSq8hhgo2wAmsMZ8 mLgXOHWplXX05QoVhbjV88/XRWdszjSef502jBFbg35xyDjebrSyUag/tIQa9yz9C7oboWkQB vOtowRKkZ/3BsP7E5TEn/QosGWhxNHMw1iFZRCTMc22dsUq9h+qA3PaernNx9w4yEj6yJOMRm tDvbai8pXjtJaVt+2tc5omAncT//2xn0dFw2ODW9ZtgO04evVfrIU9eWKBZxdVbKy+gGrx8n3 zOtIiupRxXTLNSz/JowI9C10Ue0y7Kxlp+n/KWPEhvo5XB04lNNy5DZtWhif+NANygNZhfoAI 5xQgI+5uQX25QHwdkJkWsnaSZI6bTAE6kl4P+W66NIOGPobWh5U4BgdJ7ph12EEN7u7yE6mwF uW9m1jh+MgnaJm1jh/HjNRPE9f8eOORqNYUimn9yjGyir1x5CGMqkuqnqLG9L10SFEZFu//lf JpOp1NwssX7/HSvv Archived-At: Subject: [Din] DINRG Agenda for IETF-102 X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 15:50:03 -0000 Hi all, We have posted the DINRG agenda for next week’s meeting: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/agenda-102-dinrg-00 Thanks to everyone who offered a presentation. Unfortunately we got significantly more offered presentations than we can possibly accommodate, so apologies in case yours didn’t make it. We’ll try to get a longer slot next time and would also like to discuss options for interim meetings with you. Some people posted (or are going to post) drafts, papers and presentations on the mailing list — would be great if people could have a look, provide comments etc. Best regards, Melinda & Dirk From nobody Mon Jul 9 19:43:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563D61310D5 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 19:43:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GKVn6tAR5Xni for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 19:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mscreen.etri.re.kr (mscreen.etri.re.kr [129.254.9.16]) 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mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eyu8stBxautf for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 20:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54FFE1310F6 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2018 20:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F219E58C4B3; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 05:59:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id DEBA94401A4; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 05:59:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 05:59:25 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Dirk Kutscher Cc: din@irtf.org Message-ID: <20180710035925.7ipj46ovctlm3dlz@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] DINRG Agenda for IETF-102 X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 03:59:34 -0000 Thanks, Dirk Two hopefully useful sugestions re. document management: A) datatracker This suggestion is primarily for newcomers. I recently had several cases where they where unaware of these process details, and given how IRTF is doing a lot of more work at 102 (ANRW), i am hoping it does attract a lot more newcomers. Post any draft you want associated with DINR with a name of draft--dinrg- , then it will automagically show up on the official DINRG datatracker page https://datatracker.ietf.org/rg/dinrg/documents/ If you did file a draft with a different name, just send email and the dinrg chairs can still associate it with DINRG B) Wiki for non-draft format documents (research papers, presentations, youtube, tweets), its best to have them listed on the DINRG Wiki: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki The DINRG chairs have so far been doing an outstanding job writing up that wiki page, and its a lot of work (all hand written here, as opposed to the automated datatracker). So far the wiki is only capturing documents that are associated with a slot at a particular meeting. I think it would be great if there was a section or separate wiki sub-page page with suggested work, where either the chairs or actual contributors could simply add their proposed work items, so they can easier be tracked and listed than walking through a mailing list. (wiki sub-page is safer, easpecially if you want to suggest contributors to add their propossal, because wikis can get messed up and you don't want that for the main wiki page). Cheers Toerless On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 05:49:53PM +0200, Dirk Kutscher wrote: > Hi all, > > We have posted the DINRG agenda for next week???s meeting: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/102/materials/agenda-102-dinrg-00 > > Thanks to everyone who offered a presentation. Unfortunately we got > significantly more offered presentations than we can possibly accommodate, > so apologies in case yours didn???t make it. > > We???ll try to get a longer slot next time and would also like to discuss > options for interim meetings with you. > > Some people posted (or are going to post) drafts, papers and presentations > on the mailing list ??? would be great if people could have a look, provide > comments etc. > > Best regards, > Melinda & Dirk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Tue Jul 10 03:03:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58776130F47 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 03:03:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nokia.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: b44e11ae-2545-430b-c97e-08d5e64c591e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 10 Jul 2018 10:03:12.8274 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1PR0701MB1916 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Inviting presentations for DINRG@Montreal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 10:03:24 -0000 Hello, Jumping late in the thread... Indeed IETF 102 week schedule was tough due to several constraints (e.g. AN= RW) and too bad that NMRG side meeting collides with DINPRG... I think there are potential interests and relationships between DIN, ANIMA = and NM groups... so having a chat / side meeting before Friday would be nic= e. Thank you, Laurent (as NMRG co-chair, ANIMA participant and DIN fan). > -----Original Message----- > From: Din [mailto:din-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Toerless Eckert > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:32 AM > To: Melinda Shore > Cc: din@irtf.org > Subject: Re: [Din] Inviting presentations for DINRG@Montreal >=20 > Melinda: I requested to present at DINRG re. ANIMA so i > will certainly be at DINRG if i can present, don't worry about me ;-) >=20 > If you think we shouldn't or can not have time to present/ > discuss during RG meeting on friday, i am happy to take your > guidance how else its best discussed. >=20 > [ There are several colleagues who will track / participate in the > NMRG side meeting ]. >=20 > And sorry for even suggesting to change meeting time this late. > Did obviously not make a lot of sense re. existing travel plans, > thanks for folks replying with that insight. >=20 > Forgot that the tracvel planning in IRTF is often so different > from what i am used to. >=20 > Cheers > Toerless >=20 > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 02:16:21PM -0800, Melinda Shore wrote: > > On 6/26/18 1:07 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > Good point, Brian i wanted to go that as well. > > > > > > DINrg chairs: any chance to get DINrg moved to a different slot ? > > > > We've got a number of academic participants (including > > active contributors) who don't otherwise participate > > in the IETF and who've already made their travel plans. > > Plus, having the ANRW on Monday has made scheduling > > research groups even more challenging than usual. That > > said, for those who are interested we can schedule an > > informal side meeting during the week, perhaps with a > > focus on the relationship between dinrg's problem space > > and what anima is doing. > > > > Melinda > > > > > > -- > > Software longa, hardware brevis > > > > PGP fingerprint: 4F68 2D93 2A17 96F8 20F2 > > 34C0 DFB8 9172 9A76 DB8F > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Din mailing list > > Din@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din >=20 > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din From nobody Tue Jul 10 03:20:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBA5130DF1; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 03:20:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btinternet.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cX1TS7Kdw4kL; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 03:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgout0702.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (rgout0702.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk [65.20.0.142]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A6A130F7C; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 03:20:19 -0700 (PDT) X-OWM-Source-IP: 10.110.13.1 () X-OWM-Env-Sender: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 20 X-VadeSecure-score: verdict=clean score=20/300, class=clean X-SNCR-VADESECURE: CLEAN X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 20 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtiedrgeeggddvkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemuceutffkvffkuffjvffgnffgvefqofdpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucgotffhvedqqdeurggukfhmphhorhhtrghntggvucdlvddtmdenucfjughrpeffhfhrvffkjghfufggtgfgkgfrsehtjegttddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpeghihhllhhirghmpgflpgfiucfqvhgvrhhinhhgthhonhcuoeifjhhgohgpuddttddtleessghtihhnthgvrhhnvghtrdgtohhmqeenucffohhmrghinhepghhlohgsrghlnhgvthdrtghordhukhenucfkphepuddtrdduuddtrddufedruddpkeeirdduieelrddvtdekrddujedvnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopeifvggsmhgrihhlfedurdgsthdrvgigthdrtghptghlohhuugdrtghordhukhdpihhnvghtpedutddruddutddrudefrddupdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepoeifjhhgohgpuddttddtleessghtihhnthgvrhhnvghtrdgtohhmqedprhgtphhtthhopeeoughinhesihhrthhfrdhorhhgqedprhgtphhtthhopeeojhhhohhnghesvghtrhhirdhrvgdrkhhrqedprhgtphhtthhopeeojhhoohhsrghnghdrhihouhhnsehgmhgrihhlrdgtohhmqedprhgtphhtthhopeeothdvthhrghesihhrthhfrdhorhhgqedprhgtphhtthhopeeofihjghhopgdutddttdelsegsthhinhhtvghrnhgvthdrtghomheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoeihghhh ohhnghesvghtrhhirdhrvgdrkhhrqeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Received: from webmail31.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk (10.110.13.1) by rgout07.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.26-1) (authenticated as wjgo_10009@btinternet.com) id 5AF327ED056201C6; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:20:16 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1531218020; bh=T0GlvcMRp1AdWX3ZJMRd1SAAkwQawJdpTCM/Uw32YK8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version; b=bVWB53x/PyHW2sGfyNcvugTKak0WqQj0Ev5CB4zZJxMd3EyztUg4ugNBzqq7G8lPloC9IH2F03XXgEik+xjby5tpIJL0JTAgGCDPaAU4gQ9r1ImEy4lrZVhpEGUvqDS206zTUTf2IYC10+goZv4/KPYHXyh7VB8qjoDDBVTVHK8= Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:20:16 +0100 (BST) From: William_J_G Overington Reply-To: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com To: jhong@etri.re.kr, t2trg@irtf.org, din@irtf.org Cc: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com, yghong@etri.re.kr, joosang.youn@gmail.com Message-ID: <2134009.15060.1531218016616.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> In-Reply-To: <8125031.13941.1531217117229.JavaMail.root@webmail31.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk> References: <8125031.13941.1531217117229.JavaMail.root@webmail31.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: 3 (Normal) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Client-IP: IPv4[86.169.208.172] Epoch[1531218016587] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 10:20:42 -0000 Hi I am new to this group and this is my first post. I have replied by using a reply all from the original post. I am not sure that this will go to din@irtf.org as I am not registered for that. I write to put forward two suggestions. I do not know if they will be useful to this discussion and if I sit and try to work that out it may take a very long time and even then I might not get to an answer. So I put my two suggestions here in the hope that they will be considered please by experts so that whether the suggestions are useful or otherwise can be determined by experts. The first suggestion is an invention of mine that I call localizable sentences. It was devised for person to person communication through the language barrier in some specific circumstances. The system will not do everything that a human translator could do by a long way, but could be useful in some circumstances, such as, for example, seeking information about relatives and friends after a disaster, or asking a patient in a hospital if he or she would like a drink of water. I am wondering if some localizable sentences could be useful for human to thing, thing to thing, and thing to human communication. For example, suppose that there were the two following localizable sentences. What is the temperature at your location please? The temperature at my location in degrees Celsius is as follows. Each localizable sentence is encoded as a sequence of text characters, so messages can be sent and received as plain text. In my research the encoding is as an integral sign character followed by some circled digit characters. The coding is explained in the following document. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/An_encoding_space_designed_for_application_in_encoding_localizable_sentences.pdf The following document may also be of interest. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ngo/a_completed_publication_about_localizable_sentences_research.pdf The second suggestion is as to whether there should be defined a portable interpretable object code expressible using a sequences of text character for each command of the portable interpretable object code. The portable interpretable object code would be run on a virtual machine. Thus a thing could receive some portable interpretable object code in an ordinary text message and then run it locally on a virtual machine. This would mean that the portable interpretable object code could be run on things that have been made by a variety of manufacturers. William Overington Tuesday 10 July 2018 From nobody Wed Jul 11 06:47:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F5B130DC9 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 06:47:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL=-7.5] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fXH6HhmFGuii for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 06:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x241.google.com (mail-lj1-x241.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1207B130E03 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 06:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x241.google.com with SMTP id 203-v6so8405491ljj.13 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 06:47:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=TWuwmbmp3Qn2IEzsgihXmqt/nRqGkqm5EUKER+v+KSU=; b=PGOlNQb40wn2fns+gbUXRnHnW26FGwW2mzlskykxuIoX4/geaVpb4dT63Zznfw1Ugq 1cnpfZPNAKadd1gqWojuOm74j3pstpZoDN4hj3mORFDgZJCOr6bpi2AuXOMvEa8HtkYa lr3AE/HRGjuUbLuL0mUvGU1liciJ/NkF6+1WJiVSid3Gywes4zT47DmL4rpEvEJpEB5F BSc34zVzDaKy06AsMQlIelaCUizSJRowHCnVL0paa5KXLiAlUptQ3eBPITbYdgUXe+vA EvuIIKeRAjUhMtKAsCZkh5ZtGshkknYFxJ24nbsKAAZ4h7vd9pFCfQgVChpVuwP0+Rxw 47KQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=TWuwmbmp3Qn2IEzsgihXmqt/nRqGkqm5EUKER+v+KSU=; b=kJmFXqvt0Oq8fvPIBDJlv2yNzfJmMlzz7PpEpel34IgyQmeKuRzc6V3rhgvdAEcjDm KiTS0NRqAm7fPcBST53VZBBR32h6/balRIsyRKqhjnjex7GuyX1i0WR85rNUc4anfYJi zvDS+z9f+O14l6Y6dg6JK9Aw0V2SMP/v6NICzf4mkp6NZS0WHU2T7FFNjXdVBV0NzPjP lNc5KG6rKv2S8/2ObwpcbgPFCCI1DKhlCmHadpieHN5Nrf0/rfmN64LQ9fBZ2Y3LoPeS JKkDi8C3+j2vxpBAVLARYRalTRskj8uF5GKt94tkWZMRrb1WeZh8pIknKlCXuijEXIKK DVBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3FglMRf4Zc8p/xG3wO8PJgZBRQMGEXsdscfLnbkEoDZzebGx5z EpPjBIermy1LrbwkIgdO1cIMN6DHiMlofQNJlBFImw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgperQt44CHpCG3aYNYBeAAihN8IhGqlwAr7oF+61c6ML85Ct/ajIa6QsVRXaj44615G5gLkjzrszJ5MHPYSU7Go= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9004:: with SMTP id h4-v6mr17545654ljg.44.1531316836777; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 06:47:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Thorsten Dahm Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:46:50 +0100 Message-ID: To: jhong@etri.re.kr Cc: "t2trg@irtf.org" , din@irtf.org, yghong@etri.re.kr, joosang.youn@gmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000019bd7d0570b97c9b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:47:23 -0000 --00000000000019bd7d0570b97c9b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I read the document. What I miss are the solutions. If I pick one example: Section 4.1. - Strict Latency. I doubt that many people will disagree with you here, if you use a light switch for example you don't want to wait for 3 seconds RTT before the light comes on. But that is such a short paragraph, it simply says that some IoT operations are latency sensitive. Would you consider expanding on that giving recommendations on how to actually solve the latency problem, or do you just plan to list problems that you are currently aware of that folks who implement IoT could come across? Regards, Thorsten Am Di., 10. Juli 2018 um 03:43 Uhr schrieb Jungha Hong : > Dear all, > > > > We submitted a draft tiled "Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge > Computing". > > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt > > > > This is the first edition and its purpose is to discuss the followings: > > - New challenges of IoT by the environment changes > - Edge computing as an emerging technology in IoT > - Use cases of Edge computing in IoT > - IETF/IRTF directions for Edge computing in IoT > > > > We would like to start a discussion first on the mailing list before the > Montreal meeting. > > Please take a look and give us any comments. > > > > We hope to get an enough comments for a side meeting in Montreal. > > > > I am copying it to DINRG as well in case they might be interested in this > topic. > > > > Thanks, > > Jungha Hong > > > ------------------------------ > *=EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C : *"internet-drafts@ietf.org" > *=EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EB=82=A0=EC=A7=9C : *2018-07-02 21:22:08 ( +09:00 ) > *=EB=B0=9B=EB=8A=94 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C : *=ED=99=8D=EC=A0=95=ED=95=98 , =ED=99=8D=EC=9A=A9=EA=B7=BC , =ED=99=8D= =EC=A0=95=ED=95=98 < > jhong@etri.re.kr>, Joo-Sang Youn , =ED=99=8D=EC= =9A=A9=EA=B7=BC < > yghong@etri.re.kr> > *=EC=B0=B8=EC=A1=B0 : * > *=EC=A0=9C=EB=AA=A9 : *New Version Notification for draft-hong-iot-edge-c= omputing-00.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Jungha Hong and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-hong-iot-edge-computing > Revision: 00 > Title: Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge Computing > Document date: 2018-07-02 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 12 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hong-iot-edge-computing/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00 > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hong-iot-edge-computing > > > Abstract: > This document describes new challenges for IoT services issued by the > changes of the IoT environment. In order to address those new > challenges, the integration of Edge computing and IoT has been > emerged as a promising solution. This document provides the concept > of IoT integrated with Edge computing as well as its use cases to > discuss the benefits and challenges of Edge computing mainly focused > on IoT data. The direction of Edge computing for IoT should be > discussed in IETF/IRTF. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > _______________________________________________ > T2TRG mailing list > T2TRG@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/t2trg > --=20 Thorsten Dahm Network Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. The Gasworks, Barrow Street Dublin 4, Ireland Registered in Dublin, Ireland Registration Number: 368047 --00000000000019bd7d0570b97c9b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I read the document. What I miss ar= e the solutions. If I pick one example: Section 4.1. - Strict Latency. I do= ubt that many people will disagree with you here, if you use a light switch= for example you don't want to wait for 3 seconds RTT before the light = comes on. But that is such a short paragraph, it simply says that some IoT = operations are latency sensitive. Would you consider expanding on that givi= ng recommendations on how to actually solve the latency problem, or do you = just plan to list problems that you are currently aware of that folks who i= mplement IoT could come across?

Regards,
Thorsten


Am Di., 10. Juli 2018 um 03:43=C2=A0Uhr schrieb Jungha Hong <jhong@etri.re.kr>:

Dear all,

=C2=A0

We submitted a draft tiled "Problem Statement of IoT integrated wit= h Edge Computing".

https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hong-iot-edge-comput= ing-00.txt

=C2=A0

This is the first e= dition and its=C2=A0purpose is to discuss the followings:

  • New challenges of IoT by the environment changes
  • Edge computin= g as an emerging technology in IoT
  • Use cases of Edge computing in = IoT
  • IETF/IRTF directions for Edge computing in IoT

=C2=A0

We would like to start a discussion first on the mailing list before the= Montreal meeting.

Please take a look = and give us any comments.

=C2=A0

We hope to get an e= nough comments for a side meeting in Montreal.

=C2=A0

I am copying it to DINRG as well in case they might be interested in thi= s topic.

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Jungha Hong


=C2=A0
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=EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EB=82=A0=EC=A7=9C : 2018-07-02 21:22:08 ( +09:00= )
=EB=B0=9B=EB=8A=94 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C : =ED=99=8D=EC=A0=95=ED=95=98 = <jhong@etri.re.kr<= /a>>, =ED=99=8D=EC=9A=A9=EA=B7=BC <yghong@etri.re.kr>, =ED=99=8D=EC=A0=95=ED=95=98= <jhong@etri.re.kr= >, Joo-Sang Youn <joosang.youn@gmail.com>, =ED=99=8D=EC=9A=A9=EA=B7=BC &l= t;yghong@etri.re.kr<= /a>>
=EC=B0=B8=EC=A1=B0 :
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A new version of I-D, draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Jungha Hong and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-hong-iot-edge-computing
Revision: 00
Title: Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge Computing
Document date: 2018-07-02
Group: Individual Submission
Pages: 12
URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draf= t-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt
Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hong-iot-= edge-computing/
Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hong-iot-edge-c= omputing-00
Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draf= t-hong-iot-edge-computing


Abstract:
This document describes new challenges for IoT services issued by the
changes of the IoT environment. In order to address those new
challenges, the integration of Edge computing and IoT has been
emerged as a promising solution. This document provides the concept
of IoT integrated with Edge computing as well as its use cases to
discuss the benefits and challenges of Edge computing mainly focused
on IoT data. The direction of Edge computing for IoT should be
discussed in IETF/IRTF.




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF Secretariat
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

_______________________________________________
T2TRG mailing list
T2TRG@irtf.org
https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/t2trg


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Thorsten Dahm=

Network Engineer
Google Ireland Ltd.
The Gasworks, Barrow Str= eet
Dublin 4,=C2=A0 Ireland

Registered in Dublin, Ireland
Regi= stration Number: 368047
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What I miss are the solutions. Well, the title of the document is as follows. Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge Computing The email announcing the post has the following. >> We would like to start a discussion first on the mailing list before the Montreal meeting. >> Please take a look and give us any comments. >> We hope to get an enough comments for a side meeting in Montreal. I just found out that the meeting in Montreal starts this Saturday, that is in three days time, and goes on for a week. So discussion needs to get going promptly if enough comments for a side meeting in Montreal as desired are to become gathered. I posted yesterday and thus far nobody has responded at all to my post, whether to comment or to ask a question. It seems to me that Edge computing is potentially very important in relation to the Internet of Things and so the Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge Computing document is of significance. Something that I have been wondering about is this: How will devices communicate? For example, will it be by email technology or what? Is email suitable for some applications but not for others: for example, if gathering temperature data for a weather map as a matter of record maybe email will be fast enough with measurements all taking place at a specified time and then results all sent in by email. What methods are available if faster communication is required? For example, could an IoT device have a mobile telephone built into it so that it could send an email by a mobile telephone connection? Maybe these are simplistic questions from a beginner but the best way to make progress is for people to build on previous comments and not get into ad hominem comments as to whether someone who knows so little of the field at present should be contributing to the discussion or anything like that. Just imagine please that we are all sat in a common room having a cup of tea, or peppermint tea or whatever and chatting informally. The authors of the Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge Computing document have provided a platform for discussion so how about let us have the discussion as they requested please. William Overington Wednesday 11 July 2018 From nobody Wed Jul 11 08:47:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9A4130EBB for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:47:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t2W4RKdsAlIk for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netsweng.com (ec2-54-202-138-238.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com [54.202.138.238]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DDC130DFC for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boulder.wichmann.us (209-188-119-117.taosnet.com [209.188.119.117]) by mail.netsweng.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AAE30602BB for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:50:11 +0000 (UTC) To: din@irtf.org References: <28186522.28665.1531320642798.JavaMail.root@webmail08.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk> <32528273.30719.1531322433684.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> From: Mats Wichmann Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=mats@wichmann.us; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsDiBD9xp6oRBAC1vd3YI8Gcr1CxpV1gldNQu0uQsNaICDk+Ai3+R163s/P83JOYG+SBEA3P v7iZx70qpQ3RzP7KrjF1Nm6j0em9ccUX2fPQUCAxXw5Hiq7CSMiwQQZRI6shcnyMh9XTKViT WK5MrKDyvjDEn7epjKzKwPS5SG039l6XaOKU0A4uGwCgsNqUQqC0gMMcbKlJV8ql58iKmbMD /ii8FPQrXmyS/FnsPs7UddV5qMHKm7NUH5oiKuMVyakInRyq9iIxuu3D4Ec6mWRKcGsjmIkW HXCSz0aefs6dsqNqpU54cYioJ3wP5LzHK7oclgJPryVt5Qezbdutf8SQf8gVkaNIlkxwGUzi bKTZ6CHzwlz9nNgeel0XPUcZzFxGA/4paeCg2rMSVuAhUQbsLYHu4XzTs9P16zaXkrtxc4m5 b+BF5xsLgTpyO5l859XudS2Gp+7/Y37dAU4QlyGGOboWmF1y9U5DnzBwG8ghsnym+ga58MJh LdRdQQ6xQolCpEXOuzm40f2r5uMxF3KOJ7WpIPuGAkeCPru9BmlATH+zOs0gTWF0cyBXaWNo bWFubiA8bWF0c0B3aWNobWFubi51cz7CYQQTEQIAIQIbAwYLCQgHAwIDFQIDAxYCAQIeAQIX gAUCT0VyZwIZAQAKCRDAMaCQc9hUxiZBAJ9cWziGp7hVfsu5T+cQptc3rLNndQCgrZh8u5LW BfJ5e/Y+3PwZ8UEm+ELOwE0EP5is8BAEAMtwzcA8TYf5UTjDMgwcSNoErTc9ag+IX05QFgL8 aF8sfJRv5atcitqQy0gSIsOzI+L/AFdPN/+QQI3dL1tCq14t32KPDtigDhzm6jVPXX5z+V9u xnD8XTp+ZvNcWoHXjViM8aXeLLEiCpiVCho307h3XShvqoKINWRQWeAsKKDDAAMFA/48zaey wiiEyvI0meJ1KkNHxdLP0yLODr1WV6j9xkPkLWOaIDw7dlwEOlF1N1YtZ2wa0p1wsttdIbIx ffgwXmcH4zrdxUIMz3U0BqYzk5H+5cYFXECXTFVOmweS+JECYMj80PjRoKCO1eVO1N30zksB 36NnhZWPRWIhjK3ZarIYH8JGBBgRAgAGBQI/mKzwAAoJEMAxoJBz2FTG6VEAoKDYHfDp5Q3q PuPvPahCE9HsXMgAAJ9INTqcLSJrOfyJ8q95nBO1T26H2Q== Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 09:47:13 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <32528273.30719.1531322433684.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:47:17 -0000 On 07/11/2018 09:20 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote: > Thorsten Dahm wrote: > >> I read the document. What I miss are the solutions. > > Well, the title of the document is as follows. > > Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge Computing > > The email announcing the post has the following. > >>> We would like to start a discussion first on the mailing list before the Montreal meeting. > >>> Please take a look and give us any comments. > >>> We hope to get an enough comments for a side meeting in Montreal. > > I just found out that the meeting in Montreal starts this Saturday, that is in three days time, and goes on for a week. So discussion needs to get going promptly if enough comments for a side meeting in Montreal as desired are to become gathered. > > I posted yesterday and thus far nobody has responded at all to my post, whether to comment or to ask a question. > > It seems to me that Edge computing is potentially very important in relation to the Internet of Things and so the Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge Computing document is of significance. > > Something that I have been wondering about is this: How will devices communicate? For example, will it be by email technology or what? Is email suitable for some applications but not for others: for example, if gathering temperature data for a weather map as a matter of record maybe email will be fast enough with measurements all taking place at a specified time and then results all sent in by email. What methods are available if faster communication is required? > > For example, could an IoT device have a mobile telephone built into it so that it could send an email by a mobile telephone connection? > > Maybe these are simplistic questions from a beginner but the best way to make progress is for people to build on previous comments and not get into ad hominem comments as to whether someone who knows so little of the field at present should be contributing to the discussion or anything like that. > Just imagine please that we are all sat in a common room having a cup of tea, or peppermint tea or whatever and chatting informally. > > The authors of the Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge Computing document have provided a platform for discussion so how about let us have the discussion as they requested please. Certainly a lot of thought about these topics has taken place in this project, if people aren't familiar it might be worth a look: https://wiki.edgexfoundry.org/display/FA/Executive+Summary From nobody Wed Jul 11 18:17:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E23E12F1A2 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:17:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24n_TI85ap-p for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mscreen.etri.re.kr (mscreen.etri.re.kr 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Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 09:14:37 -0000 ------=_Part_10764_30742018.1531386871059 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10763_15244768.1531386871059" ------=_Part_10763_15244768.1531386871059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi So I read the post and I wondered as to what is EdgeX. I found https://www.edgexfoundry.org/ on the web. Thus far I have not found where Mats has posted the link on EdgeX. I am wondering if there might be a discussion there. So where should I look please, or is it only for members of EdgeX? I notice that EdgeX seems to be Linux based: I am using Windows 10 on a Len= ovo ideapad 510 laptop computer, at home. I notice that EdgeX has the following on the web page. > =E2=80=A6 OS-agnostic reference software platform =E2=80=A6 This is interesting. Has anything been decided yet please? William Overington Thursday 12 July 2018 ----Original message---- >From : jhong@etri.re.kr Date : 2018/07/12 - 03:58 (GMTDT) To : mats@wichmann.us, din@irtf.org Cc : joosang.youn@gmail.com, t2trg@irtf.org, yghong@etri.re.kr Subject : Re: [T2TRG] [Din] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong= -iot-edge-computing-00.txt Dear Mats, Thanks for sharing the link on EdgeX.=20 Actually, we are developing a solution for smart constructios, where we are= utilizing EdgeX and machine learning. Thanks, Jungha Hong =20 =20 =EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C : "Mats Wichmann" =EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EB=82=A0=EC=A7=9C : 2018-07-12 00:47:29 ( +09:00 ) =EB=B0=9B=EB=8A=94 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C : din@irtf.org =EC=B0=B8=EC=A1=B0 :=20 =EC=A0=9C=EB=AA=A9 : Re: [Din] [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for= draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt =20 On 07/11/2018 09:20 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote: =20 > Thorsten Dahm wrote: =20 > =20 >> I read the document. What I miss are the solutions. =20 > =20 > Well, the title of the document is as follows. =20 > =20 > Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge Computing =20 > =20 > The email announcing the post has the following. =20 > =20 >>> We would like to start a discussion first on the mailing list before th= e Montreal meeting. =20 > =20 >>> Please take a look and give us any comments. =20 > =20 >>> We hope to get an enough comments for a side meeting in Montreal. =20 > =20 > I just found out that the meeting in Montreal starts this Saturday, that = is in three days time, and goes on for a week. So discussion needs to get g= oing promptly if enough comments for a side meeting in Montreal as desired = are to become gathered. =20 > =20 > I posted yesterday and thus far nobody has responded at all to my post, w= hether to comment or to ask a question. =20 > =20 > It seems to me that Edge computing is potentially very important in relat= ion to the Internet of Things and so the Problem Statement of IoT integrate= d with Edge Computing document is of significance. =20 > =20 > Something that I have been wondering about is this: How will devices comm= unicate? For example, will it be by email technology or what? Is email suit= able for some applications but not for others: for example, if gathering te= mperature data for a weather map as a matter of record maybe email will be fast enough with measurements al= l taking place at a specified time and then results all sent in by email. W= hat methods are available if faster communication is required? =20 > =20 > For example, could an IoT device have a mobile telephone built into it so= that it could send an email by a mobile telephone connection? =20 > =20 > Maybe these are simplistic questions from a beginner but the best way to = make progress is for people to build on previous comments and not get into = ad hominem comments as to whether someone who knows so little of the field = at present should be contributing to the discussion or anything like that. =20 > Just imagine please that we are all sat in a common room having a cup of = tea, or peppermint tea or whatever and chatting informally. =20 > =20 > The authors of the Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge Computin= g document have provided a platform for discussion so how about let us have= the discussion as they requested please. =20 =20 Certainly a lot of thought about these topics has taken place in this =20 project, if people aren't familiar it might be worth a look: =20 =20 https://wiki.edgexfoundry.org/display/FA/Executive+Summary =20 =20 _______________________________________________ =20 Din mailing list =20 Din@irtf.org =20 https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din =20 ------=_Part_10763_15244768.1531386871059 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi

So I read the post and I wondered as to what is Edge= X.

I found https://www.edgexfoundry.org/ on the web.

Thus far I have not f= ound where Mats has posted the link on EdgeX.

I am wondering if there might= be a discussion there.

=
So where should I look please, or is it only for memb= ers of EdgeX?

I notice that EdgeX seems to be Linux based: I am using Windows= 10 on a Lenovo ideapad 510 laptop computer, at home.

I notice that EdgeX has= the following on the  web page.

> =E2=80=A6 OS-agnost= ic reference software platform =E2=80=A6

This is interes= ting. Has anything been decided yet please?

William Overington

Thursday 12 July= 2018


----Original message----
From : jhong@etri.re.kr
Date : 2018/07/12 - 03:58 (G= MTDT)
To : mats@wichmann.us, din@irtf.org
Cc : joosang.youn@gmail.com= , t2trg@irtf.org, yghong@etri.re.kr
Subject : Re: [T2TRG] [Din] [T2TRG/D= in] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt

Dear Mats,


Thanks for sharing the lin= k on EdgeX. 

Actually, we are developin= g a solution for smart constructios, where we are utilizing EdgeX and machi= ne learning.


Thanks,

Jungha Hong

 

 

=EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C : "Mats Wichmann" <mat= s@wichmann.us>
=EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EB=82=A0=EC=A7=9C : 2018-07-12 00:47:29 ( += 09:00 )
=EB=B0=9B=EB=8A=94 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C : din@irtf.org <din@ir= tf.org>
=EC=B0=B8=EC=A1=B0 :
=EC=A0=9C=EB=AA=A9 : Re: [Din] [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion N= ew draft for draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt

 

On 07/11/2018 09:20 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote:

 

> Thorsten Dahm wrote:

 

>

 

>> I read the document. What I miss are the solutions.

 

>

 

> Well, the title of the document is as follows.

 

>

 

> Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge Computing

 

>

 

> The email announcing the post has the following.

 

>

 

>>> We would like to start a discussion first on the mailing list = before the Montreal meeting.

 

>

 

>>> Please take a look and give us any comments.

 

>

 

>>> We hope to get an enough comments for a side meeting in Montre= al.

 

>

 

> I just found out that the meeting in Montreal starts this Saturday, th= at is in three days time, and goes on for a week. So discussion needs to ge= t going promptly if enough comments for a side meeting in Montreal as desir= ed are to become gathered.

 

>

 

> I posted yesterday and thus far nobody has responded at all to my post= , whether to comment or to ask a question.

 

>

 

> It seems to me that Edge computing is potentially very important in re= lation to the Internet of Things and so the Problem Statement of IoT integr= ated with Edge Computing document is of significance.

 

>

 

> Something that I have been wondering about is this: How will devices c= ommunicate? For example, will it be by email technology or what? Is email s= uitable for some applications but not for others: for example, if gathering= temperature data for a weather map as a matter of record maybe email will be fast enough with measurements al= l taking place at a specified time and then results all sent in by email. W= hat methods are available if faster communication is required?

 

>

 

> For example, could an IoT device have a mobile telephone built into it= so that it could send an email by a mobile telephone connection?

 

>

 

> Maybe these are simplistic questions from a beginner but the best way = to make progress is for people to build on previous comments and not get in= to ad hominem comments as to whether someone who knows so little of the fie= ld at present should be contributing to the discussion or anything like that.

 

> Just imagine please that we are all sat in a common room having a cup = of tea, or peppermint tea or whatever and chatting informally.

 

>

 

> The authors of the Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge Compu= ting document have provided a platform for discussion so how about let us h= ave the discussion as they requested please.

 

 

Certainly a lot of thought about these topics has taken place in this

 

project, if people aren't familiar it might be worth a look:

 

 

https://wiki.edgexfoundry.org/display/FA/Executive+Summary

 

 

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Juli 2018 um 16:20 Uhr schrieb William_J_G Overington : > Something that I have been wondering about is this: How will devices > communicate? For example, will it be by email technology or what? I'm sure no IoT device will use email as primary communication method. :-) If you wonder what protocols are used by IoT, please have a look at COAP, MQTT, BACnet, and things like CoRE. > For example, could an IoT device have a mobile telephone built into it so > that it could send an email by a mobile telephone connection? > > too expensive, hard to manage (user would have to buy SIM cards / sign mobile phone contracts for every device etc.). Most devices will use Ethernet, Wifi or Bluetooth / BLE. Some will also use technologies like ZigBee or Thread. Maybe it would be more suitable to evaluate how well the protocols above work with edge computing setups and if / how the protocols could be improved? Regards, Thorsten -- Thorsten Dahm Network Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. 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Hi William,

Am Mi., 11. Juli 2018 um 16:20=C2=A0Uhr schrieb= William_J_G Overington <wjgo_10009=3D40btinternet.com@dmarc.ietf.org>:
Something that I have been wonder= ing about is this: How will devices communicate? For example, will it be by= email technology or what?

I'm sure no= IoT device will use email as primary communication method. :-) If you wond= er what protocols are used by IoT, please have a look at COAP, MQTT, BACnet= , and things like CoRE.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
For example, could an IoT device have a mobile t= elephone built into it so that it could send an email by a mobile telephone= connection?


too expensive, hard to manage (user wo= uld have to buy SIM cards / sign mobile phone contracts for every device et= c.). Most devices will use Ethernet, Wifi or Bluetooth / BLE. Some will als= o use technologies like ZigBee or Thread.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Maybe it would be more suitable to evaluate how well the protocols above wo= rk with edge computing setups and if / how the protocols could be improved?=

Regards,
Thorsten

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Thorsten Dahm
=
Network Engineer
Google Ireland Ltd.
The Gasworks, Barrow Street<= br>Dublin 4,=C2=A0 Ireland

Registered in Dublin, Ireland
Registra= tion Number: 368047
--000000000000f42e210570cc0b3c-- From nobody Thu Jul 12 05:31:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580991310F4; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 05:31:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btinternet.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8uo_ZsAxOvDL; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 05:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rgout05.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (rgout05.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk [65.20.0.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C67D130DDE; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 05:31:04 -0700 (PDT) X-OWM-Source-IP: 10.110.12.1 () X-OWM-Env-Sender: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 20 X-VadeSecure-score: verdict=clean score=20/300, class=clean X-SNCR-VADESECURE: CLEAN X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 20 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtiedrgeekgdehgecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemuceutffkvffkuffjvffgnffgvefqofdpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucgotffhvedqqdeurggukfhmphhorhhtrghntggvucdlvddtmdenucfjughrpeffhfhrvffkjghfufggtgfgkgfrsehtjegttddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpeghihhllhhirghmpgflpgfiucfqvhgvrhhinhhgthhonhcuoeifjhhgohgpuddttddtleessghtihhnthgvrhhnvghtrdgtohhmqeenucfkphepuddtrdduuddtrdduvddruddpkedurdduheelrddvhedvrdehieenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghlohepfigvsghmrghilhdvvddrsghtrdgvgihtrdgtphgtlhhouhgurdgtohdruhhkpdhinhgvthepuddtrdduuddtrdduvddruddpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeofihjghhopgdutddttdelsegsthhinhhtvghrnhgvthdrtghomheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoeguihhnsehirhhtfhdrohhrgheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoehjhhhonhhgsegvthhrihdrrhgvrdhkrheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoehjohhoshgrnhhgrdihohhunhesghhmrghilhdrtghomheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoehtvdhtrhhgsehirhhtfhdrohhrgheqpdhrtghpthhtohepoeihghhhohhnghesvghtrhhirdhrvgdrkhhrqeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt Received: from webmail22.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk (10.110.12.1) by rgout05.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.26-1) (authenticated as wjgo_10009@btinternet.com) id 5AF3284805A16A87; Thu, 12 Jul 2018 13:31:00 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1531398664; bh=+YQRJcbjZuv7oL/gSvTukY2gKArQEPqHmdFZYacE1y8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version; b=d/NQ4j5BVR5aHmw/LPUZ9auucYwmRhQZXZoIzZ0Rm5c5+NDdQUTbGHrCID4EhIu4MnsV3eRYcq9xQC3O7oTblMJTKggxom250mgJ0PfJsUyGw1+xZPlBywlztcfQw4lvvILbWEHI0aVuahcMvCZztz1QU3KTSohWtxUpw/FATcc= Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 13:31:00 +0100 (BST) From: William_J_G Overington Reply-To: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com To: jhong@etri.re.kr, t2trg@irtf.org, din@irtf.org Cc: yghong@etri.re.kr, joosang.youn@gmail.com Message-ID: <18064017.22162.1531398660824.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> In-Reply-To: <8735791.11744.1531387735646.JavaMail.root@webmail22.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk> References: <8735791.11744.1531387735646.JavaMail.root@webmail22.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: 3 (Normal) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Client-IP: IPv4[81.159.252.56] Epoch[1531398660791] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:31:07 -0000 Hi > I wonder how your two suggestions are related to our draft. > Could you please clarify your suggestions more related to the draft? In section 5.3 is the following. > In spite of such benifits of Edge computing in IoT services, it has challenges such as programmability, naming, data abstraction, service management, privacy and security and optimization metrics. My first suggestion relates to naming, data abstraction and service management. My second suggestion relates to programmability. Consider please a thought experiment. Suppose that there is a type of thing that can measure air temperature, air pressure, location in latitude and longitude. Let us call it a type 8001 device. Suppose that the type 8001 device has built into it a mobile telephone that can receive and send emails. When asked, by email, a type 8001 device can make a measurement and send a reply, listing any one or more of air temperature, air pressure, location in latitude and longitude. Each particular type 8001 device has its own unique telephone number. As a first stage of this thought experiment, let us suppose that one of the type 8001 devices is located in Italy, one is located in Greece and one is located in Latvia. Suppose that there is a type of thing than can ask a type 8001 device for measurement data of one or more of air temperature, air pressure, location in latitude and longitude. Each has a display screen that may sometimes be being viewed by a human being who knows the local language and may, but need not, know any other language. Let us call it a type 8002 device. Let us suppose that one of the type 8002 devices is located in Portugal and one is located in Japan. My first suggestion allows questions from a preset list of questions to be asked by a type 8002 device independently of any human language and a reply to be sent from a type 8001 device independently of any human language, yet also displayable in any human language that can be displayed using the Universal Character Set simply by having a sentence.dat file for the particular human language loaded into the type 8002 device. In this context, the Universal Character Set may be thought of as the same as the Unicode character set. As regards my second suggestion, suppose please that after some time it is decided that the format of the email sent in response to an enquiry should always begin by specifying the location at which the measurements of air temperature and air pressure have been made, even if not explicitly requested. If the type 8001 devices all have to be altered by a service technician this could take a while and be expensive. Also, if a type 8001 device can be made by several manufacturers and some use one microprocessor and some use another and so on with either direct machine code programs, or an app running on one of a number of different operating system platforms the task could be enormous. Yet suppose that each type 8001 device runs a program that is written in a portable interpretable object code, the same code on each type 8001 device. Certainly the interpreter software for a particular type 8001 device may well be different from the interpreter software for a type 8001 device made by another manufacturer; that is not a problem provided that each interpreter software program complies to the specification for how to interpret the portable interpretable object code by running it in a software construct known as a virtual machine. Given that scenario, the desired software update can be achieved by sending each type 8001 device an email, with appropriate security of provenance, to update the application program on the type 8001 device. Comments are welcome. Discussion of this thought experiment is welcome William Overington Thursday 12 July 2018 ----Original message---- >From : jhong@etri.re.kr Date : 2018/07/12 - 02:17 (GMTDT) To : wjgo_10009@btinternet.com, t2trg@irtf.org, din@irtf.org Cc : yghong@etri.re.kr, joosang.youn@gmail.com Subject : RE: [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt Dear William Overington, Thanks for your email. I wonder how your two suggestions are related to our draft. Could you please clarify your suggestions more related to the draft? 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Thu, 12 Jul 2018 13:51:25 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1531399887; bh=2ufcoNxFK2tSiYnS2T3nMBanSohXWB8IkVp+G/D9B/M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version; b=XSnGEynTmsy7hm7C3noIgHtjLmTppSgvWYXjL4OCnG2N6BY2ofweIluoZvPmKED9DGhcghIw6cKtBMACuf8nkospZO/GuxtV786qUkvUskQ6sCKAmQu6xTC/DS1B5KgrgN8OMib8/fK4zDRFRk1g1zLpucqVl3mPcSKC1Sr6jdk= Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 13:51:25 +0100 (BST) From: William_J_G Overington Reply-To: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com To: thorstendlux=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org, t2trg@irtf.org Cc: joosang.youn@gmail.com, jhong@etri.re.kr, yghong@etri.re.kr, din@irtf.org Message-ID: <1918148.23098.1531399885522.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> In-Reply-To: References: <28186522.28665.1531320642798.JavaMail.root@webmail08.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk> <32528273.30719.1531322433684.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_23097_21330247.1531399885490" X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 48473 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 48473 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 48473 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 48473 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 48473 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 48473 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 48473 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 48473 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 48473 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX Importance: 3 (Normal) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Client-IP: IPv4[81.159.252.56] Epoch[1531399885491] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:51:38 -0000 ------=_Part_23097_21330247.1531399885490 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23096_18230906.1531399885490" ------=_Part_23096_18230906.1531399885490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi For the avoidance of doubt I have only just received your email. I had been writing and sending my email that is listed in the archive after your email. > If you wonder what protocols are used by IoT, please have a look at COAP, MQTT, BACnet, and things like CoRE. Thank you for sending a list. I am a beginner on the Internet of Things. At present I know almost nothing about how the internet works. I just use emails and the web as an end user. > too expensive Well, I was wondering about something like things deployed in a rural area as part of a flood warning system to measure water depth. Maybe Pay as You Go phones? I have posted a thought experiment and hopefully you and others will have a look at it and consider it and post comments. William Overington Thursday 12 July 2018 ----Original message---- >From : thorstendlux=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org Date : 2018/07/12 - 12:55 (GMTDT) To : wjgo_10009@btinternet.com Cc : t2trg@irtf.org, din@irtf.org, yghong@etri.re.kr, jhong@etri.re.kr, joosang.youn@gmail.com Subject : Re: [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt Hi William, Am Mi., 11. Juli 2018 um 16:20 Uhr schrieb William_J_G Overington : Something that I have been wondering about is this: How will devices communicate? For example, will it be by email technology or what? I'm sure no IoT device will use email as primary communication method. :-) If you wonder what protocols are used by IoT, please have a look at COAP, MQTT, BACnet, and things like CoRE. For example, could an IoT device have a mobile telephone built into it so that it could send an email by a mobile telephone connection? too expensive, hard to manage (user would have to buy SIM cards / sign mobile phone contracts for every device etc.). Most devices will use Ethernet, Wifi or Bluetooth / BLE. Some will also use technologies like ZigBee or Thread. Maybe it would be more suitable to evaluate how well the protocols above work with edge computing setups and if / how the protocols could be improved? Regards, Thorsten -- Thorsten Dahm Network Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. The Gasworks, Barrow Street Dublin 4, Ireland Registered in Dublin, Ireland Registration Number: 368047 ------=_Part_23096_18230906.1531399885490 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi

For the avoidance of doubt I have only jus= t received your email. I had been writing and sending my email that is list= ed in the archive after your email.

> If you wonder what protocols are used by IoT, please have = a look at COAP, MQTT, BACnet, and things like CoRE.

Thank you for sen= ding a list. I am a beginner on the Internet of Things. At present I know a= lmost nothing about how the internet works. I just use emails and the web a= s an end user.

= > too expensive

Well, I was wondering about s= omething like things deployed in a rural area as part of a flood warning sy= stem to measure water depth. Maybe Pay as You Go phones?
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I have posted a thought experimen= t and hopefully you and others will have a look at it and consider it and p= ost comments.

William Overi= ngton
Thursda= y 12 July 2018

----Original message--= --
From : thorstendlux=3D40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org
Date : 2018/07/1= 2 - 12:55 (GMTDT)
To : wjgo_10009@btinternet.com
Cc : t2trg@irtf.org,= din@irtf.org, yghong@etri.re.kr, jhong@etri.re.kr, joosang.youn@gmail.com<= br>Subject : Re: [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-io= t-edge-computing-00.txt

Hi William,

Am Mi., 11. Ju= li 2018 um 16:20 Uhr schrieb William_J_G Overington <wjgo_10009=3D<= a href=3D"mailto:40btinternet.com@dmarc.ietf.org">40btinternet.com@dmarc.ie= tf.org>:
= Something that I have been wondering about is this: How will devices commun= icate? For example, will it be by email technology or what?

I'm sure no IoT device will use email as primary communic= ation method. :-) If you wonder what protocols are used by IoT, please have= a look at COAP, MQTT, BACnet, and things like CoRE. 
 =
For example, could = an IoT device have a mobile telephone built into it so that it could send a= n email by a mobile telephone connection?


too expensive, hard to manage (user wo= uld have to buy SIM cards / sign mobile phone contracts for every device et= c.). Most devices will use Ethernet, Wifi or Bluetooth / BLE. Some will als= o use technologies like ZigBee or Thread. 
 
Maybe it would be more suitable to evaluate how well the protocols above wo= rk with edge computing setups and if / how the protocols could be improved?=

Regards,
Thorsten

--
Thorsten Dahm
=
Network Engineer
Google Ireland Ltd.
The Gasworks, Barrow Street<= br>Dublin 4,  Ireland

Registered in Dublin, Ireland
Registra= tion Number: 368047



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[193.137.75.156]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p3-v6sm39361241wrg.47.2018.07.13.02.07.51 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 13 Jul 2018 02:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E45E4DF9-25BB-4924-B3FD-D925D55EA806" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) From: Paulo Mendes In-Reply-To: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:07:45 +0100 Cc: "din@irtf.org" Message-Id: References: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> To: Melinda Shore X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 09:07:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E45E4DF9-25BB-4924-B3FD-D925D55EA806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Melinda, Were are my 2cents about the charter: a) Since the charter is focused on *network services* it would be good = to enumerate some services that really depend on a decentralised = operation. I can deploy a trust management or identity management = mechanism based on a centralised service. It is true that decentralising = such services may increase their performance, but that would diminish = the proposed of the charter towards =E2=80=9Conly=E2=80=9D network = optimisation issues. To make the charter stronger I would suggest to = clear identity services that really require a decentralised/distributed = infrastructure to operate, and those that although can be deployed in a = centralised manner, gain a lot (e.g. in terms of performance) from the = decentralised / distributed network operation. IMO, the services = mentioned in the charter fit the latter case. I would say that examples = of services that really require decentralised / distirbuted are: fog and = edge computing (at least they require a decentralised approach, which = fog arch pointing to the need for cooperation among fog devices); = intermittent connect networks (in this case all the services mentioned = in the charter must be decentralised / distributed); Data privacy (from = the centralised silos to personal clouds); Network automation (which = requires network devices to be more autonomous); Distributed ledge = technology. In the latter case I agree in stating that this is not the = only case, due to the current hype. b) Besides the mentioned technical use-cases / services, the charter = should highlight that DINRG is aware that decentralising / distributing = requires a set of core drivers: trust, incentives (may be technical or = economic) and consensus. At least those were the ones that I mentioned = in the London meeting. IMO, it will not be possible to build = decentralised / distributed services if involved peers do not trust each = other, have no incentives to cooperate and have no basic mechanism to = reach consensus to solve conflicting operations. c) The name of the research group mention =E2=80=9CDecentralised=E2=80=9D = but the charter mention decentralisation as well as distribution, which = are different things. So, a may doubt is if the charter will limite the = work to decentralisation aspects, or if it will also tackle distributed = services. e) As for the motivation, the question is how DINRG will contribute the = revert the centralisation of the network operation, as is the case of = Network Cloudification, which goal is to centralize and virtualize = networking into data centers. This can actually be a good use-case: to = show that CAPEX and OPEX can be reduced relaying in a full distributed = approach (e.g. deployed at network edges) instead of relying on data = centres (which of course can be seen as a distributed computing system = :-) ). As for the interface with other IETF/IRTF groups, I would include NMRG. = The work with other groups should be useful to keep DINRG focused on the = its core objectives. As for the Objectives it may be difficult for a RG to operate actual = implementations, although I agree that it should be the responsibility = of any RG to demonstrate that proposed solutions work, by working on = proof-of-concepts (before going to IETF). Besides this I would like to = see the following objectives: - Bring attention of the scientific community to DIN issues and = challenges by organising workshops, tutorials, international = conferences. - Describe the use-case that really need decentralisation to be = deployed, and the use-cases that rely in decentralisation for a better = performance. - Specify the drivers for DIN, without which decentralisation is not = possible. - Clearly create task-forces (commitment) in order to reach a set of = proof-of-concepts. I know that IETF is a self-organised organisation :), = but sometimes we need push models :) to go beyond what is expected from = a RG. Melhores Cumprimentos / Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen ------------------------------------------------ Paulo Mendes, Ph.D Coordinator SITI group @ COPELABS (http://siti.ulusofona.pt) Director of NEMPS PhD program (http://nemps.ulusofona.pt = ) Associated Professor at University Lusofona, Portugal http://www.paulomilheiromendes.com Tel: +351 217 50 50 22 > On 08 Jul 2018, at 21:34, Melinda Shore = wrote: >=20 > Hi, all: >=20 > We've updated the proposed charter based on discussions we've > had with participants over the past several weeks, and we're > looking for additional feedback. Please take a look and send > comments to the mailing list. As I think most of you know, > proposed research groups may meet for a year before a decision > is made to charter them, or not, and we will be at the one-year > mark in Montreal. We want to make sure the charter text > reflects the direction we'd like to take and the work we'd > intend to undertake once chartered. >=20 > The current draft is at: > = https://docs.google.com/document/d/17V6dAawxdda_oiul3p1ssRDYSlHFOe9CnXn-4i= LTCdI/edit?usp=3Dsharing >=20 > Many thanks, >=20 > Melinda & Dirk >=20 > --=20 > Software longa, hardware brevis >=20 > PGP fingerprint: 4F68 2D93 2A17 96F8 20F2 > 34C0 DFB8 9172 9A76 DB8F >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din --Apple-Mail=_E45E4DF9-25BB-4924-B3FD-D925D55EA806 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Melinda,

Were are my 2cents about the charter:

a) Since the charter is focused on = *network services* it would be good to enumerate some services that = really depend on a decentralised operation. I can deploy a trust = management or identity management mechanism based on a centralised = service. It is true that decentralising such services may increase their = performance, but that would diminish the proposed of the charter towards = =E2=80=9Conly=E2=80=9D network optimisation issues. To make the charter = stronger I would suggest to clear identity services that really require = a decentralised/distributed infrastructure to operate, and those that = although can be deployed in a centralised manner, gain a lot (e.g. in = terms of performance) from the decentralised / distributed network = operation. IMO, the services mentioned in the charter fit the = latter case. I would say that examples of services that really require = decentralised / distirbuted are: fog and edge computing (at least they = require a decentralised approach, which fog arch pointing to the need = for cooperation among fog devices); intermittent connect networks (in = this case all the services mentioned in the charter must be = decentralised / distributed); Data privacy (from the centralised silos = to personal clouds); Network automation (which requires network devices = to be more autonomous); Distributed ledge technology. In the latter case = I agree in stating that this is not the only case, due to the current = hype.

b) = Besides the mentioned technical use-cases / services, the charter should = highlight that DINRG is aware that decentralising / distributing = requires a set of core drivers: trust, incentives (may be technical or = economic) and consensus. At least those were the ones that I mentioned = in the London meeting. IMO, it will not be possible to build = decentralised / distributed services if involved peers do not trust each = other, have no incentives to cooperate and have no basic mechanism to = reach consensus to solve conflicting operations.

c) The name of the research group = mention =E2=80=9CDecentralised=E2=80=9D but the charter mention = decentralisation as well as distribution, which are different things. = So, a may doubt is if the charter will limite the work to = decentralisation aspects, or if it will also tackle distributed = services.

e) = As for the motivation, the question is how DINRG will contribute the = revert the centralisation of the network operation, as is the case of = Network Cloudification, which goal is to centralize and virtualize = networking into data centers. This can actually be a good use-case: to = show that CAPEX and OPEX can be reduced relaying in a full distributed = approach (e.g. deployed at network edges) instead of relying on data = centres (which of course can be seen as a distributed computing system = :-) ).

As for = the interface with other IETF/IRTF groups, I would include NMRG. The = work with other groups should be useful to keep DINRG focused on the its = core objectives.

As for the Objectives it may be difficult for a RG to operate = actual implementations, although I agree that it should be the = responsibility of any RG to demonstrate that proposed solutions work, by = working on proof-of-concepts (before going to IETF). Besides this I = would like to see the following objectives:
- Bring = attention of the scientific community to DIN issues and challenges by = organising workshops, tutorials, international conferences.
- Describe the use-case that really need decentralisation to = be deployed, and the use-cases that rely in decentralisation for a = better performance.
- Specify the drivers for DIN, = without which decentralisation is not possible.
- = Clearly create task-forces (commitment) in order to reach a set of = proof-of-concepts. I know that IETF is a self-organised organisation :), = but sometimes we need push models :) to go beyond what is expected from = a RG.

Melhores Cumprimentos / Best Regards / Mit = freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen
------------------------------------------------
Paulo Mendes, Ph.D
Coordinator SITI = group @ COPELABS (http://siti.ulusofona.pt)
Director = of NEMPS PhD program (http://nemps.ulusofona.pt)
Associated = Professor at University Lusofona, Portugal

http://www.paulomilheiromendes.com
Tel: +351 217 50 50 22

On 08 Jul 2018, at 21:34, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@nomountain.net> wrote:

Hi, = all:

We've updated the proposed charter = based on discussions we've
had with participants over the = past several weeks, and we're
looking for additional = feedback.  Please take a look and send
comments to = the mailing list.  As I think most of you know,
proposed research groups may meet for a year before a = decision
is made to charter them, or not, and we will be = at the one-year
mark in Montreal.  We want to make = sure the charter text
reflects the direction we'd like to = take and the work we'd
intend to undertake once = chartered.

The current draft is at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17V6dAawxdda_oiul3p1ssRDYSlH= FOe9CnXn-4iLTCdI/edit?usp=3Dsharing

Many = thanks,

Melinda & Dirk

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= --Apple-Mail=_E45E4DF9-25BB-4924-B3FD-D925D55EA806-- From nobody Fri Jul 13 08:35:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61841130DE2 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 08:35:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.95 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.95 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2tthtRgXekae for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 08:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4551C130E3F for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 08:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AFB58C4BA; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:35:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 836474402CB; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:35:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:35:05 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Paulo Mendes Cc: Melinda Shore , "din@irtf.org" Message-ID: <20180713153505.csx5ih4g3ynhsrkk@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 15:35:15 -0000 Great points Paulo Let me also add some:=20 Nomadic connectivity: Use instead of "intermittent connectivity". IMHO actually a likely interesting area for DINRG also because AFAIK, 5/6G introduces lightweight IoT UE profiles without seamless mobility (so the network can support an order of magnitude more UE/cell). Distributed/Decentralized: Unless there is well defined terminology to the contrary (please point me to an authoritative place if there is), i would make up our own definition, and that is that distributed is a subset of decentralized. That would allow to use a single word (decentralized) without excluding the other. Include note to that effect somewhere (charter etc..). Geographically dispersed and heterogenuous: Cloud native DC apps today can often be characterized as consisting of multiple roles. Each role has one or more active instances for load-sharing (often called leaders). These are backed by followers in standby with whom state is shared so they can take over. And when instances fail, new ones are restarted to maintain resilience. So, what DINRG should want to think about is then what is untraditional for DC: The heterogenity of possible instances, geographic distrbution of instances and the resulting delay and thoughput limitations between instances, but gained throughput/delay to clients, and geographic placement for resilience, etc. pp. Note that DCs of course start to think about these things to, because the DC likely will become of of a microcosmos of WAN networks. YOu will have more and more compartmentalized connetivity, so you can not schedule instances arbitrarily and hope there is no network bottleneck then, you also will have more specialized resources not available on every node (NN/AI, GPU, CPU, maybe even NPU) and schedule accordingly. Heck, you may want to schedule based on security (to avoid side-channels) Thats fine. Any advanced solution that include these complex aspects of heterogenity should be interesting forr DINRG. It doesn't have to be WAN, but of course WAN is likely the ultimate challenge to meet for many problems. Cheers Toerless On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 10:07:45AM +0100, Paulo Mendes wrote: > Hi Melinda, >=20 > Were are my 2cents about the charter: >=20 > a) Since the charter is focused on *network services* it would be good to= enumerate some services that really depend on a decentralised operation. I= can deploy a trust management or identity management mechanism based on a = centralised service. It is true that decentralising such services may incre= ase their performance, but that would diminish the proposed of the charter = towards ???only??? network optimisation issues. To make the charter stronge= r I would suggest to clear identity services that really require a decentra= lised/distributed infrastructure to operate, and those that although can be= deployed in a centralised manner, gain a lot (e.g. in terms of performance= ) from the decentralised / distributed network operation. IMO, the services= mentioned in the charter fit the latter case. I would say that examples of= services that really require decentralised / distirbuted are: fog and edge= computing (at least they require a decentralised approach, which fog arch = pointing to the need for cooperation among fog devices); intermittent conne= ct networks (in this case all the services mentioned in the charter must be= decentralised / distributed); Data privacy (from the centralised silos to = personal clouds); Network automation (which requires network devices to be = more autonomous); Distributed ledge technology. In the latter case I agree = in stating that this is not the only case, due to the current hype. >=20 > b) Besides the mentioned technical use-cases / services, the charter shou= ld highlight that DINRG is aware that decentralising / distributing require= s a set of core drivers: trust, incentives (may be technical or economic) a= nd consensus. At least those were the ones that I mentioned in the London m= eeting. IMO, it will not be possible to build decentralised / distributed s= ervices if involved peers do not trust each other, have no incentives to co= operate and have no basic mechanism to reach consensus to solve conflicting= operations. >=20 > c) The name of the research group mention ???Decentralised??? but the cha= rter mention decentralisation as well as distribution, which are different = things. So, a may doubt is if the charter will limite the work to decentral= isation aspects, or if it will also tackle distributed services. >=20 > e) As for the motivation, the question is how DINRG will contribute the r= evert the centralisation of the network operation, as is the case of Networ= k Cloudification, which goal is to centralize and virtualize networking int= o data centers. This can actually be a good use-case: to show that CAPEX an= d OPEX can be reduced relaying in a full distributed approach (e.g. deploye= d at network edges) instead of relying on data centres (which of course can= be seen as a distributed computing system :-) ). >=20 > As for the interface with other IETF/IRTF groups, I would include NMRG. T= he work with other groups should be useful to keep DINRG focused on the its= core objectives. >=20 > As for the Objectives it may be difficult for a RG to operate actual impl= ementations, although I agree that it should be the responsibility of any R= G to demonstrate that proposed solutions work, by working on proof-of-conce= pts (before going to IETF). Besides this I would like to see the following = objectives: > - Bring attention of the scientific community to DIN issues and challenge= s by organising workshops, tutorials, international conferences. > - Describe the use-case that really need decentralisation to be deployed,= and the use-cases that rely in decentralisation for a better performance. > - Specify the drivers for DIN, without which decentralisation is not poss= ible. > - Clearly create task-forces (commitment) in order to reach a set of proo= f-of-concepts. I know that IETF is a self-organised organisation :), but so= metimes we need push models :) to go beyond what is expected from a RG. >=20 > Melhores Cumprimentos / Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen > ------------------------------------------------ > Paulo Mendes, Ph.D > Coordinator SITI group @ COPELABS (http://siti.ulusofona.pt) > Director of NEMPS PhD program (http://nemps.ulusofona.pt ) > Associated Professor at University Lusofona, Portugal >=20 > http://www.paulomilheiromendes.com > Tel: +351 217 50 50 22 >=20 > > On 08 Jul 2018, at 21:34, Melinda Shore = wrote: > >=20 > > Hi, all: > >=20 > > We've updated the proposed charter based on discussions we've > > had with participants over the past several weeks, and we're > > looking for additional feedback. Please take a look and send > > comments to the mailing list. As I think most of you know, > > proposed research groups may meet for a year before a decision > > is made to charter them, or not, and we will be at the one-year > > mark in Montreal. We want to make sure the charter text > > reflects the direction we'd like to take and the work we'd > > intend to undertake once chartered. > >=20 > > The current draft is at: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/17V6dAawxdda_oiul3p1ssRDYSlHFOe9CnXn= -4iLTCdI/edit?usp=3Dsharing > >=20 > > Many thanks, > >=20 > > Melinda & Dirk > >=20 > > --=20 > > Software longa, hardware brevis > >=20 > > PGP fingerprint: 4F68 2D93 2A17 96F8 20F2 > > 34C0 DFB8 9172 9A76 DB8F > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Din mailing list > > Din@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din --=20 --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Fri Jul 13 08:55:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052C5130E01 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 08:55:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hqhJQNiRPEku for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA01Sa0hTYRjm247b2fDIaU79vFaDSJpbZiH7ESEisiTDMPoxKT25k1tuR9mZ piImmBKWseYlXZGpGakhuX5MapXOLJwwtAuJJSZKF8PMG0nm6Jwdb/+e931uvHwfypes+oWh espMmijCIBOIEYkoSK44M6zOiL01Ga9qX3iOqOZb7wPVuoVSeT6u8RMQdVPPHFDX9gwI1L/u 1AvVK9euImmIRnxUSxr0haTp4LEssc49OiLM70sqWpsKLgeVqmogQiF+BI6/swurgRiV4G08 +PbTGOCGPgD/Dr/ZGF4D6PF08bjBAeB0Q/fG0AFghb2Jz4YJ8GhYtVrDhKGoFE+FDVYRu+bj GvjZ3unH4kBcDp11Kz65FI+BI801CIcTYV9rlW+P4PugpdvCY2MwPB3Wthu5KieAa55Kn0aE n4JV72cBiwEeDP+4H/G4rhA4PtPM427bBVtvO/kcDobep1MCDkdB52+HkNMr4Vh9nYDDcvig 5adPjzHeoaYZxAKgbUesbYfFtsNi22G5B5BOEKk1liiMhN5Ak9kKOpugKNKkiFMa9WYlqS2w A9+jhmK9wDuR4gI4CmT+2OMudYbEjyiki40uEIryZEFY/xNmFXA+T1usI2hdpqnAQNIuAFG+ TIoVXmc4TEsUl5CmvE0qHEVkIVhuK8iQ4DmEmcwlyXzStMlGoKgMYqSbMe4ykTlk0QW9wbxN 81ARG+7PhEuG2HA6nzDS+hyOdwMF+m++3sqXIFQeRYaFYJFsEM6KdAXUVo7vwwqPR8yCEOas QKyNVfkz33kraZYp4TEl57TJbImZ2KbCykHpD0fc0o3ZDxmNSrzUKm/MPFkSUOSKT42vFSc8 7KRLn01r5hYmDPWqVxeXv71In7w0bB34Lm2pyLInh+f2dvTsVuwx9i+VWAZjFyMrrlg1Se39 X6jE6DLX5PRX5d39jiE8be+onzdGneLJPns6WnbCEHX45uVFb/PEYNnL9eVcGULriEMH+Caa +A8V+LCliwMAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 15:55:07 -0000 >>> Distributed/Decentralized: >>> Unless there is well defined terminology to the contrary (please point = me >>> to an authoritative place if there is),=20 I'd suggest just using the glossary in the recent NIST draft: https://csrc.nist.gov/publications/detail/nistir/8202/draft -- thomas -- ________________________________________ From: Din [din-bounces@irtf.org] on behalf of Toerless Eckert [tte@cs.fau.d= e] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:35 AM To: Paulo Mendes Cc: Melinda Shore; din@irtf.org Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal Great points Paulo Let me also add some: Nomadic connectivity: Use instead of "intermittent connectivity". IMHO actually a likely interesting area for DINRG also because AFAIK, 5/6G introduces lightweight IoT UE profiles without seamless mobility (so the network can support an order of magnitude more UE/cell). Distributed/Decentralized: Unless there is well defined terminology to the contrary (please point me to an authoritative place if there is), i would make up our own definition, and that is that distributed is a subset of decentralized. That would allow to use a single word (decentralized) without excluding the other. Include note to that effect somewhere (charter etc..). Geographically dispersed and heterogenuous: Cloud native DC apps today can often be characterized as consisting of multiple roles. Each role has one or more active instances for load-sharing (often called leaders). These are backed by followers in standby with whom state is shared so they can take over. And when instances fail, new ones are restarted to maintain resilience. So, what DINRG should want to think about is then what is untraditional for DC: The heterogenity of possible instances, geographic distrbution of instances and the resulting delay and thoughput limitations between instances, but gained throughput/delay to clients, and geographic placement for resilience, etc. pp. Note that DCs of course start to think about these things to, because the DC likely will become of of a microcosmos of WAN networks. YOu will have more and more compartmentalized connetivity, so you can not schedule instances arbitrarily and hope there is no network bottleneck then, you also will have more specialized resources not available on every node (NN/AI, GPU, CPU, maybe even NPU) and schedule accordingly. Heck, you may want to schedule based on security (to avoid side-channels) Thats fine. Any advanced solution that include these complex aspects of heterogenity should be interesting forr DINRG. It doesn't have to be WAN, but of course WAN is likely the ultimate challenge to meet for many problems. Cheers Toerless On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 10:07:45AM +0100, Paulo Mendes wrote: > Hi Melinda, > > Were are my 2cents about the charter: > > a) Since the charter is focused on *network services* it would be good to= enumerate some services that really depend on a decentralised operation. I= can deploy a trust management or identity management mechanism based on a = centralised service. It is true that decentralising such services may incre= ase their performance, but that would diminish the proposed of the charter = towards ???only??? network optimisation issues. To make the charter stronge= r I would suggest to clear identity services that really require a decentra= lised/distributed infrastructure to operate, and those that although can be= deployed in a centralised manner, gain a lot (e.g. in terms of performance= ) from the decentralised / distributed network operation. IMO, the services= mentioned in the charter fit the latter case. I would say that examples of= services that really require decentralised / distirbuted are: fog and edge= computing (at least they require a decentralised approach, which fog arch = pointing to the need for cooperation among fog devices); intermittent conne= ct networks (in this case all the services mentioned in the charter must be= decentralised / distributed); Data privacy (from the centralised silos to = personal clouds); Network automation (which requires network devices to be = more autonomous); Distributed ledge technology. In the latter case I agree = in stating that this is not the only case, due to the current hype. > > b) Besides the mentioned technical use-cases / services, the charter shou= ld highlight that DINRG is aware that decentralising / distributing require= s a set of core drivers: trust, incentives (may be technical or economic) a= nd consensus. At least those were the ones that I mentioned in the London m= eeting. IMO, it will not be possible to build decentralised / distributed s= ervices if involved peers do not trust each other, have no incentives to co= operate and have no basic mechanism to reach consensus to solve conflicting= operations. > > c) The name of the research group mention ???Decentralised??? but the cha= rter mention decentralisation as well as distribution, which are different = things. So, a may doubt is if the charter will limite the work to decentral= isation aspects, or if it will also tackle distributed services. > > e) As for the motivation, the question is how DINRG will contribute the r= evert the centralisation of the network operation, as is the case of Networ= k Cloudification, which goal is to centralize and virtualize networking int= o data centers. This can actually be a good use-case: to show that CAPEX an= d OPEX can be reduced relaying in a full distributed approach (e.g. deploye= d at network edges) instead of relying on data centres (which of course can= be seen as a distributed computing system :-) ). > > As for the interface with other IETF/IRTF groups, I would include NMRG. T= he work with other groups should be useful to keep DINRG focused on the its= core objectives. > > As for the Objectives it may be difficult for a RG to operate actual impl= ementations, although I agree that it should be the responsibility of any R= G to demonstrate that proposed solutions work, by working on proof-of-conce= pts (before going to IETF). Besides this I would like to see the following = objectives: > - Bring attention of the scientific community to DIN issues and challenge= s by organising workshops, tutorials, international conferences. > - Describe the use-case that really need decentralisation to be deployed,= and the use-cases that rely in decentralisation for a better performance. > - Specify the drivers for DIN, without which decentralisation is not poss= ible. > - Clearly create task-forces (commitment) in order to reach a set of proo= f-of-concepts. I know that IETF is a self-organised organisation :), but so= metimes we need push models :) to go beyond what is expected from a RG. > > Melhores Cumprimentos / Best Regards / Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen > ------------------------------------------------ > Paulo Mendes, Ph.D > Coordinator SITI group @ COPELABS (http://siti.ulusofona.pt) > Director of NEMPS PhD program (http://nemps.ulusofona.pt ) > Associated Professor at University Lusofona, Portugal > > http://www.paulomilheiromendes.com > Tel: +351 217 50 50 22 > > > On 08 Jul 2018, at 21:34, Melinda Shore = wrote: > > > > Hi, all: > > > > We've updated the proposed charter based on discussions we've > > had with participants over the past several weeks, and we're > > looking for additional feedback. Please take a look and send > > comments to the mailing list. As I think most of you know, > > proposed research groups may meet for a year before a decision > > is made to charter them, or not, and we will be at the one-year > > mark in Montreal. We want to make sure the charter text > > reflects the direction we'd like to take and the work we'd > > intend to undertake once chartered. > > > > The current draft is at: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/17V6dAawxdda_oiul3p1ssRDYSlHFOe9CnXn= -4iLTCdI/edit?usp=3Dsharing > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Melinda & Dirk > > > > -- > > Software longa, hardware brevis > > > > PGP fingerprint: 4F68 2D93 2A17 96F8 20F2 > > 34C0 DFB8 9172 9A76 DB8F > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Din mailing list > > Din@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din -- --- tte@cs.fau.de _______________________________________________ Din mailing list Din@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din= From nobody Fri Jul 13 18:25:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DCF12426A for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 18:25:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=telefonicacorp.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rDCIC8BqjD1k for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 18:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EUR04-HE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eopbgr70119.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.7.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46691130E23 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2018 18:24:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=telefonicacorp.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-telefonica-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=jxK9zf4mfIQRaAj+MmvZj1qXKipcKp1vL+0b/QFfh9A=; b=YMecRJL6t3Ava2kQAlwx9Mel+Bf1CJZtD/Y1BhkbYf6Ac78ONmU5DnmbIf3WIVkW1ouGBeCECnI+5IlGgaKB/ryx1iDtqcfZQJ7dcTa9qciZiGXTsLmSyWHeP/4Q4b7lkBE/fowHQn55WFZcwYA2hKkjircU7grIAxdheEBVWbk= Received: from DB3PR0602MB3788.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (52.134.70.148) by DB3PR0602MB3835.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (52.134.70.161) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.930.21; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 01:24:53 +0000 Received: from DB3PR0602MB3788.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e8a7:c15c:d575:4c71]) by DB3PR0602MB3788.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e8a7:c15c:d575:4c71%4]) with mapi id 15.20.0930.022; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 01:24:53 +0000 From: "Diego R. 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rgout07.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.26-1) (authenticated as wjgo_10009@btinternet.com) id 5AF327ED05B68AC0; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:54:36 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1531580081; bh=ETvCXmJjeBVL+wBGuGa1XMttbOvUOaginTZNq2nKC9E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version; b=rD5QtT/EtMyoXwxAOhVL6mSrGPP8MSIupqn6xL4QcuUnBLZx4VvPUuGJH5Ig6AgtbHDTbCM5tyOSc5BFsO0wSXNpUf3UJOmsJvyrNcr0TuuBWa4hSnE2laM5HEUM299hMUyFEyR1Vl6S8UYKIjefYupeYwwLyNqNI/lYS46gnvY= Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:54:36 +0100 (BST) From: William_J_G Overington Reply-To: wjgo_10009@btinternet.com To: jhong@etri.re.kr, din@irtf.org, t2trg@irtf.org Cc: joosang.youn@gmail.com, yghong@etri.re.kr Message-ID: <29166316.17625.1531580076609.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> In-Reply-To: References: <8735791.11744.1531387735646.JavaMail.root@webmail22.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk>, <18064017.22162.1531398660824.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_17624_3852898.1531580076583" X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 48485 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 48485 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 48485 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-UID: 48485 X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX X-CP-REPLY-ALL-PATH: INBOX Importance: 3 (Normal) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Client-IP: IPv4[86.168.219.239] Epoch[1531580076584] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 14:54:46 -0000 ------=_Part_17624_3852898.1531580076583 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17623_30412239.1531580076583" ------=_Part_17623_30412239.1531580076583 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi > Due to lack of time for discussion on our draft before Montreal meeting, = we would like to ask you to contribute on those concerns in the next revision of this draft if you are not planning to make your own= draft. Thank you for your request. I am trying to think of how to phrase the concepts underlying my ideas as p= roblems that might need to be solved, because it may be that solutions to s= uch problems already exist, already authored by other people. Best regards, William Overington Saturday 14 July 2018 ----Original message---- >From : jhong@etri.re.kr Date : 2018/07/13 - 02:15 (GMTDT) To : wjgo_10009@btinternet.com, t2trg@irtf.org, din@irtf.org Cc : yghong@etri.re.kr, joosang.youn@gmail.com Subject : Re: [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot-e= dge-computing-00.txt Dear William Overington. =20 Thanks for clarifying your two suggestions. Although those are not exactly addressed in our draft, it seems to be meani= ngful concerns. We hope to find a good approach on how to consider your two suggestions. =20 Due to lack of time for discussion on our draft before Montreal meeting, we= would like to ask you to contribute on those concerns in the next revision of this draft if you are not planning to make your own= draft. Thanks, Jungha Hong =20 =20 =20 =EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C : "William_J_G Overington" =EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EB=82=A0=EC=A7=9C : 2018-07-12 21:31:19 ( +09:00 ) =EB=B0=9B=EB=8A=94 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C : =ED=99=8D=EC=A0=95=ED=95=98 , t2trg@irtf.org , din@irtf.org =EC=B0=B8=EC=A1=B0 : =ED=99=8D=EC=9A=A9=EA=B7=BC , joosa= ng.youn@gmail.com =EC=A0=9C=EB=AA=A9 : Re: RE: [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for d= raft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt =20 Hi =20 =20 > I wonder how your two suggestions are related to our draft. =20 =20 > Could you please clarify your suggestions more related to the draft? =20 =20 In section 5.3 is the following. =20 =20 > In spite of such benifits of Edge computing in IoT services, it has chall= enges such as programmability, naming, data abstraction, service management= , privacy and security and optimization metrics. =20 =20 My first suggestion relates to naming, data abstraction and service managem= ent. =20 =20 My second suggestion relates to programmability. =20 =20 Consider please a thought experiment. =20 =20 Suppose that there is a type of thing that can measure air temperature, air= pressure, location in latitude and longitude. Let us call it a type 8001 d= evice. =20 =20 Suppose that the type 8001 device has built into it a mobile telephone that= can receive and send emails. =20 =20 When asked, by email, a type 8001 device can make a measurement and send a = reply, listing any one or more of air temperature, air pressure, location i= n latitude and longitude. Each particular type 8001 device has its own uniq= ue telephone number. =20 =20 As a first stage of this thought experiment, let us suppose that one of the= type 8001 devices is located in Italy, one is located in Greece and one is= located in Latvia. =20 =20 Suppose that there is a type of thing than can ask a type 8001 device for m= easurement data of one or more of air temperature, air pressure, location i= n latitude and longitude. Each has a display screen that may sometimes be b= eing viewed by a human being who knows the local language and may, but need not, know any other language. L= et us call it a type 8002 device. =20 =20 Let us suppose that one of the type 8002 devices is located in Portugal and= one is located in Japan. =20 =20 My first suggestion allows questions from a preset list of questions to be = asked by a type 8002 device independently of any human language and a reply= to be sent from a type 8001 device independently of any human language, ye= t also displayable in any human language that can be displayed using the Universal Character Set simply by= having a sentence.dat file for the particular human language loaded into t= he type 8002 device. =20 =20 In this context, the Universal Character Set may be thought of as the same = as the Unicode character set. =20 =20 As regards my second suggestion, suppose please that after some time it is = decided that the format of the email sent in response to an enquiry should = always begin by specifying the location at which the measurements of air te= mperature and air pressure have been made, even if not explicitly requested. =20 =20 If the type 8001 devices all have to be altered by a service technician thi= s could take a while and be expensive. Also, if a type 8001 device can be m= ade by several manufacturers and some use one microprocessor and some use a= nother and so on with either direct machine code programs, or an app running on one of a number of different o= perating system platforms the task could be enormous. =20 =20 Yet suppose that each type 8001 device runs a program that is written in a = portable interpretable object code, the same code on each type 8001 device.= Certainly the interpreter software for a particular type 8001 device may w= ell be different from the interpreter software for a type 8001 device made by another manufacturer; that is not = a problem provided that each interpreter software program complies to the s= pecification for how to interpret the portable interpretable object code by= running it in a software construct known as a virtual machine. =20 =20 Given that scenario, the desired software update can be achieved by sending= each type 8001 device an email, with appropriate security of provenance, t= o update the application program on the type 8001 device. =20 =20 Comments are welcome. Discussion of this thought experiment is welcome =20 =20 William Overington =20 =20 Thursday 12 July 2018 =20 =20 =20 ----Original message---- =20 =20 >From : jhong@etri.re.kr =20 Date : 2018/07/12 - 02:17 (GMTDT) =20 To : wjgo_10009@btinternet.com, t2trg@irtf.org, din@irtf.org =20 Cc : yghong@etri.re.kr, joosang.youn@gmail.com =20 Subject : RE: [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot-e= dge-computing-00.txt =20 =20 Dear William Overington, =20 =20 Thanks for your email. =20 =20 I wonder how your two suggestions are related to our draft. =20 =20 Could you please clarify your suggestions more related to the draft? =20 =20 Thanks, =20 =20 Jungha Hong =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_Part_17623_30412239.1531580076583 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi

> Due to lack of time for discussion on our dr= aft before Montreal meeting, we would like to ask you to contribute on thos= e concerns

in the next revision of this draft if you are not planning to make your own= draft.


= Thank you for your request.


I am trying to think of how to phrase the concepts underlying= my ideas as problems that might need to be solved, because it may be that = solutions to such problems already exist, already authored by other people.=


Best regards,


William Overington<= /span>


Saturday 14 July= 2018

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----Original message----
From : jhong@etri.re.krDate : 2018/07/13 - 02:15 (GMTDT)
To : wjgo_10009@btinternet.com, t2trg= @irtf.org, din@irtf.org
Cc : yghong@etri.re.kr, joosang.youn@gmail.comSubject : Re: [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot= -edge-computing-00.txt

Dear William Overington.

 

Thanks for clarifying your t= wo suggestions.

Although those are not exact= ly addressed in our draft, it seems to be meaningful concerns.

We hope to find a  good= approach on how to consider your two suggestions.

 

Due to lack of time for disc= ussion on our draft before Montreal meeting, we would like to ask you to co= ntribute on those concerns
in the next revision of this draft if you are not planning to make your own= draft.


Thanks,

Jungha Hong

 

 

 

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=EC=A0=9C=EB=AA=A9 : Re: RE: [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New= draft for draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt

 

Hi

 

 

> I wonder how your two suggestions are related to our draft.

 

 

> Could you please clarify your suggestions more related to the draft?

 

 

In section 5.3 is the following.

 

 

> In spite of such benifits of Edge computing in IoT services, it has ch= allenges such as programmability, naming, data abstraction, service managem= ent, privacy and security and optimization metrics.

 

 

My first suggestion relates to naming, data abstraction and service managem= ent.

 

 

My second suggestion relates to programmability.

 

 

Consider please a thought experiment.

 

 

Suppose that there is a type of thing that can measure air temperature, air= pressure, location in latitude and longitude. Let us call it a type 8001 d= evice.

 

 

Suppose that the type 8001 device has built into it a mobile telephone that= can receive and send emails.

 

 

When asked, by email, a type 8001 device can make a measurement and send a = reply, listing any one or more of air temperature, air pressure, location i= n latitude and longitude. Each particular type 8001 device has its own uniq= ue telephone number.

 

 

As a first stage of this thought experiment, let us suppose that one of the= type 8001 devices is located in Italy, one is located in Greece and one is= located in Latvia.

 

 

Suppose that there is a type of thing than can ask a type 8001 device for m= easurement data of one or more of air temperature, air pressure, location i= n latitude and longitude. Each has a display screen that may sometimes be b= eing viewed by a human being who knows the local language and may, but need not, know any other language. L= et us call it a type 8002 device.

 

 

Let us suppose that one of the type 8002 devices is located in Portugal and= one is located in Japan.

 

 

My first suggestion allows questions from a preset list of questions to be = asked by a type 8002 device independently of any human language and a reply= to be sent from a type 8001 device independently of any human language, ye= t also displayable in any human language that can be displayed using the Universal Character Set simply by= having a sentence.dat file for the particular human language loaded into t= he type 8002 device.

 

 

In this context, the Universal Character Set may be thought of as the same = as the Unicode character set.

 

 

As regards my second suggestion, suppose please that after some time it is = decided that the format of the email sent in response to an enquiry should = always begin by specifying the location at which the measurements of air te= mperature and air pressure have been made, even if not explicitly requested.

 

 

If the type 8001 devices all have to be altered by a service technician thi= s could take a while and be expensive. Also, if a type 8001 device can be m= ade by several manufacturers and some use one microprocessor and some use a= nother and so on with either direct machine code programs, or an app running on one of a number of different o= perating system platforms the task could be enormous.

 

 

Yet suppose that each type 8001 device runs a program that is written in a = portable interpretable object code, the same code on each type 8001 device.= Certainly the interpreter software for a particular type 8001 device may w= ell be different from the interpreter software for a type 8001 device made by another manufacturer; that is not = a problem provided that each interpreter software program complies to the s= pecification for how to interpret the portable interpretable object code by= running it in a software construct known as a virtual machine.

 

 

Given that scenario, the desired software update can be achieved by sending= each type 8001 device an email, with appropriate security of provenance, t= o update the application program on the type 8001 device.

 

 

Comments are welcome. Discussion of this thought experiment is welcome

 

 

William Overington

 

 

Thursday 12 July 2018

 

 

 

----Original message----

 

 

>From : jhong@etri.re.kr

 

Date : 2018/07/12 - 02:17 (GMTDT)

 

To : wjgo_10009@btinternet.com, t2trg@irtf.org, din@irtf.org

 

Cc : yghong@etri.re.kr, joosang.youn@gmail.com

 

Subject : RE: [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot-e= dge-computing-00.txt

 

 

Dear William Overington,

 

 

Thanks for your email.

 

 

I wonder how your two suggestions are related to our draft.

 

 

Could you please clarify your suggestions more related to the draft?

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

Jungha Hong

 

 

 

 




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It may be helpful to be more explicit about what's meant by "decentralized" in the dinrg context, especially since we're seeing some proposals which may or may not be considered decentralized depending on definition and scope. Vitalik proposes three characteristics: . architectural decentralization (number of entities in the network), . political decentralization (control/policy), and . logical decentralization with the latter being somewhat problematic, in that at some point you probably want consistent state across all participants (i.e. you should be able to continue if there's a partition, but then eventually converge). I'm not sure I agree with this framing but it may be a useful starting point for discussion. Melinda -- Software longa, hardware brevis PGP key fingerprint 4F68 2D93 2A17 96F8 20F2 34C0 DFB8 9172 9A76 DB8F From nobody Sat Jul 14 15:11:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4112130F1B for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:11:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.95 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.95 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qtB40Cq9xAjy for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61C7F130F16 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5DA58C4AF; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 00:11:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 2E49E4402CB; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 00:11:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 00:11:12 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Melinda Shore Cc: "din@irtf.org" Message-ID: <20180714221111.5bshkw6ucr3pf6zn@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> <20180713153505.csx5ih4g3ynhsrkk@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <41aad02d-2b9a-e0a3-b8ee-b4760bf6d4a3@nomountain.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41aad02d-2b9a-e0a3-b8ee-b4760bf6d4a3@nomountain.net> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 22:11:19 -0000 Inline On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 03:07:29PM -0400, Melinda Shore wrote: > I'm not sure it's helpful to consider "decentralized" and "distributed" > as having a subsetted relationship (in either direction). It may be > helpful to be more explicit about what's meant by "decentralized" in the > dinrg context, especially since we're seeing some proposals which may > or may not be considered decentralized depending on definition and > scope. $ Melinda, A) For technical curiosity: Can you give me an example of something that you consider to be distributed but not decentralized ? (i can think of answers, but not sure what you think) B) IMHO, you do not want to waste cycles now on working out a comprehensive definition/ terminology/taxonomy, when it seems clear that this is rather complex and that the RG would be able to come up with better results after having done more work. Calling distributed a subset of decentralized was not meant to be the ultimate definition. Its just the most simple definition for two goals: I) Avoids having to always write Decentralized/Distributed everywhere. II) Make it clear that the RG does not assume any more specific definitions now, so the ball is in the court of any author to be precise about any specific aspect of decentralization/distribution that their document assumes. If the WG does not make any default definition of these terms, DINRG could simply run into the same problems ANIMA ran into with the word "Intent". We had drafts where different authors of the same document assumed the term to mean something different. C) i would suggest not to mention/discuss "centralized" at all adn try to position DINRG vs. centralized: The RG should exclude work because its "centralized only" on a case-by-case basis and not try to constrain itself in the carter artificially. I think everybody including charter approvers will have a hard time to come up with a good agreeable definition of "centralized". As in: How many meters/miles do the CPU cores in my data center need to be apart from each before you allow me to call it decentraliced/distributed ? KISS. D) > Vitalik proposes three characteristics: > > .. architectural decentralization (number of entities in the network), I have a router, it consists of a entities called linecards and fabric cards. How large does it need to be to be in scope ? A candidate router in 2000 was planned to have one ethernet port to every resident of Chicago. DO need to call my router a network so that it would be in scope ? Does it have an impact if i expose the decentral nature at the management level (configure per decentralized entity), is there a minimum number of entities to make something in/out of scope for DINRG ? Aka: A coarse criteria does not make a good metric and even less so a useful threshold. > .. political decentralization (control/policy), and Its a nice aspect for classification/taxonomy, but not a good metric/threshold for work inside/outside of DINRG. Any intradomain technology like IGPs would not have that political decentralizated for example but shuld be in scope for DINRG. We also should not come up with " decentralized" terminology unnecessarily if there are already better technical words (intra/interdomain) > .. logical decentralization As opposed to illogical decentralization ? Not clear what this means. > with the latter being somewhat problematic, in that at some point you > probably want consistent state across all participants (i.e. you > should be able to continue if there's a partition, but then eventually > converge). I am not sure how what you say is related to "logigal decentralized", i would see it equally true or false for "physcial decentralization". Instead of consistency, i rather think the degree of supportable inconsistencies is a possible metric for decentralization. In interdomain routing we only consistency requirement is to have no persistant loops. Everything else can be inconsistent (ignoring other constraints). But: In summary: definitions/classifications/metrics/thresholds/taxonomy is hard work. Maybe a good topic for the WG, but not for the charter. > I'm not sure I agree with this framing but it may be a useful starting > point for discussion. E) Well, as said, i would suggest not to frame the treminology more than minimum necessary for the charter. But if/when we have a framing/terminology discussion: I like "non-uniformity" / "Heterogenity". IMHO, its the most encompassing characeristics for DINRG IMHO because it can include all those aspects - independent failure of components - partical connectivity between components - partitioning - functional decomposition - differences in communications channels - differences in compute / storage component capabilities Cheers Toerless > > Melinda > > -- > Software longa, hardware brevis > > PGP key fingerprint 4F68 2D93 2A17 96F8 20F2 > 34C0 DFB8 9172 9A76 DB8F From nobody Sat Jul 14 15:20:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E2C130F1B for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:20:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NUrvFiNX1eI0 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x233.google.com (mail-it0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1052F130E6E for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x233.google.com with SMTP id 188-v6so16134159ita.5 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:20:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Wnk5rwYHvQG9bOpOyDQTWtXGGs3Ph/O9tbbbN655plA=; b=SMpAEbdfSU/8+Avk/x3TvNoZPbqEhPbPPGf825HmbDNZj4I86yZnB2Jtgzb5Ry1Tv+ S+93kN0yQoq6Wiw4tJlSDqmZJZ6Si59RH/d//Y2nCghPujjdohuTJ0Rh+Ld0+fsQrdX7 fVACi/iKt7GktPOstm7FktEPYbqHnkewn2dahJd1kKY7EJx3shnl63fibTXNODeouyts lpALC6Syx5p/Hfmx7xSLVpJ/GwRcPwiNOFaeUDZjrgLcLoF7XTF6d+RNEXgaOi21xp6m YZ8rMYsdiGI99EWMiPFG1Y2+3+A6rGdY5fvHRii21ab/Kd0D0M2ecD3tR+aOuPnKkWi2 nvCA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Wnk5rwYHvQG9bOpOyDQTWtXGGs3Ph/O9tbbbN655plA=; b=FDJypQh76WGrTBoT28+AGQHGUrN6gdrg9sYRrIOHqctpGVwK2LyHNQLTvTK9tTEiJ/ b2RSVpjjlysqKDymKJnWTJIYsS5/3BVSgDV3mF7/mar3uwD1uOCynORil9Ff8xfheTGr QyZxdb6LUjf3D3WxZ22P289ULMAs1YZH7U/KZNJ/A6IOsWF9ThJm5OUWSKaJ5zLH0Rr0 GChCDUJ+Zte4wlW235fMC4kxb1B+jxHGQMZO+dWhFqAb33K76r1mZQIehw6EYmOo5t6L pFdv5gp1dPEw6NcMf/SIv9fw5n/nAs53tP1IParJmFdtJkPQ3Mrw491Rhc401Ql/lTjk E58A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlEgh71Lzk7DwruMCTzw3pEKycGDEEdZIWbQL0TuMfIVNYLvc9/N p6+xpsGvtLkKF2pqbjjGSBwpHwDp X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpfa1gDLEFFp8xn3qTnbld72dPYLh+DpLHuTpgiJl0ekbh2Zxf98VrgW2HEUusIU3JoMs6NxRA== X-Received: by 2002:a24:54c3:: with SMTP id t186-v6mr8971945ita.55.1531606822466; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.189] ([31.130.239.12]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p25-v6sm5184208itf.42.2018.07.14.15.20.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.4 \(3445.8.2\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <20180714221111.5bshkw6ucr3pf6zn@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:20:19 -0400 Cc: Melinda Shore , "din@irtf.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 553299618.102435-b01caa0bc9fa05d9866052e17e063602 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> <20180713153505.csx5ih4g3ynhsrkk@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <41aad02d-2b9a-e0a3-b8ee-b4760bf6d4a3@nomountain.net> <20180714221111.5bshkw6ucr3pf6zn@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.8.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 22:20:25 -0000 CDNs are a textbook example of a widely distributed system with highly = centralized control. 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([2600:380:b02c:b3d1:54d6:992a:a30e:ce5c]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d5-v6sm15275126oia.57.2018.07.14.15.25.55 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 14 Jul 2018 15:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Dino Farinacci X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15F79) In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:25:54 -0500 Cc: Toerless Eckert , Melinda Shore , "din@irtf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> <20180713153505.csx5ih4g3ynhsrkk@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <41aad02d-2b9a-e0a3-b8ee-b4760bf6d4a3@nomountain.net> <20180714221111.5bshkw6ucr3pf6zn@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> To: Carsten Bormann Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 22:25:59 -0000 How about generalizing it to any protocol or architecture where you cannot c= ommunicate at the app level when you have IP connectivity and not Internet c= onnectivity.=20 Dino > On Jul 14, 2018, at 5:20 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > CDNs are a textbook example of a widely distributed system with highly cen= tralized control. >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 >=20 >> On Jul 14, 2018, at 18:11, Toerless Eckert wrote: >>=20 >> distributed but not decentralized >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din From nobody Sat Jul 14 16:10:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05022130DCE for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 16:10:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YHRwLH3Pjobj for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 16:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8477C124C04 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 16:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0970E58C4AF; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 01:10:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id E57AD4402CB; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 01:10:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 01:10:40 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Carsten Bormann Cc: Melinda Shore , "din@irtf.org" Message-ID: <20180714231040.6w32ujd56pd6ft2n@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> <20180713153505.csx5ih4g3ynhsrkk@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <41aad02d-2b9a-e0a3-b8ee-b4760bf6d4a3@nomountain.net> <20180714221111.5bshkw6ucr3pf6zn@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 23:10:47 -0000 You are comparing a system (CDN) with one of its aspect (control), that was not the question. Would you call the overall CDN non-decentralized, and if so, why ? Sure, you can try to come up with different characteristics of a system that impact whether you call them distributed vs. decentralized, but i don't think you will do the charter a favour if that type of definitions needs to be agreed upon before passing the charter. Cheers Teorless On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 06:20:19PM -0400, Carsten Bormann wrote: > CDNs are a textbook example of a widely distributed system with highly centralized control. > > Gre, Carsten > > > > On Jul 14, 2018, at 18:11, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > distributed but not decentralized From nobody Sat Jul 14 17:35:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EEC131103 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:35:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=nomountain-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f1M8j2kRq9vv for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x22c.google.com (mail-it0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37EA51292AD for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id w16-v6so16221469ita.0 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:35:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nomountain-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Jt3tXxeBBY/aA+t3vpT/0QjSWexip3ThcWyi/x9G/sc=; b=cbRKxiOwqrCc4xkYxkv0H2Pdle3Kx/v8seIhC+gxFblbn9md3DFvNh4ZpL5TtWaWas z9TSOvvN1phXQSFDhLjLfocFjFYIWpaGDKS0FL9u/ekG0O6x6qqU9t0ApVODqOBM0AHV VEC57b26j06zf9x1orxvpYsYo8urog/XkHFD3mbOglqsjZdF6M/ts1YNJtSDiMD4FUWP OepwiGYR/r9QX6+TTBgYlwZB/OBpcwkabyH6pGz0sPwZq4in4Ya/CWSjcD2eKdGwHClt nyO0Gk1LSnh6NRoYFT59Atrrt5xtJtHPsneCU+caVInb7smRe2Bs4ELcJ6/HhjKBr/hP gdmQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Jt3tXxeBBY/aA+t3vpT/0QjSWexip3ThcWyi/x9G/sc=; b=SXzmUewAYp5Btn2Fjzr8njcc8xW8j9tDdjNAsZ5YqryAhzu9U4/tqadwQZOLBh6Fav RDMnO3pGcKF1v1VHo/zX0mJTraVN6ZJj9yNcJ9ssyMfemq/pa+c2wonTxjhA2RVfprDH /QvKqz9FXlTa0IM9cyY/D0bOLpXcSixKdrbpCigSTkzV3L788okSjkOdDqwW2B4dejWS 4pu7CChOGlEOa6k9Opj7lxzO7uvAK+c0hv0AlhA6h8ZCaJM8FeKMCc1MQ+MPt56nZj1w 8z5kC6nfdholGPX3vx04yNaHRRSjS+jqXWMT050QBvKMmq+Cog/10ne5jfUCJIDr+Qu8 79AA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlHZQh4Q7nAtq1LFyxXD9AmZHTTifWGZkIBiBfEstnEy+taSnnQk GcJu+Bx2REurUUyaIWrekFUQonNcHA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpc0I++S6VGg5kPJMxUVA1MDArYrqFW/TEHmBJf5eEdhVp6GYd+/UaSBVwR6mrhOdNfTtbdstg== X-Received: by 2002:a02:6c45:: with SMTP id w66-v6mr10013222jab.87.1531614942326; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-90a0.meeting.ietf.org ([2001:67c:1232:144:386b:2d1c:9255:c4e0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q10-v6sm11532197iog.28.2018.07.14.17.35.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:35:41 -0700 (PDT) To: Toerless Eckert , Carsten Bormann Cc: "din@irtf.org" References: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> <20180713153505.csx5ih4g3ynhsrkk@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <41aad02d-2b9a-e0a3-b8ee-b4760bf6d4a3@nomountain.net> <20180714221111.5bshkw6ucr3pf6zn@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20180714231040.6w32ujd56pd6ft2n@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> From: Melinda Shore Message-ID: <21cb85d5-bf6b-1754-43c6-29c76a0e85ab@nomountain.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 20:35:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180714231040.6w32ujd56pd6ft2n@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 00:35:45 -0000 On 7/14/18 7:10 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > You are comparing a system (CDN) with one of its aspect (control), > that was not the question. Well, I don't know - it might have been. I think it's possible to look at a number of different axes, including the question of centralized control (which, come to think of it, strikes me as one of the more significant aspects). At any rate I think the question here is not to nail down a precise definition, but rather to get a basic handle on what is and is not in scope for the research group. I think that based on the original intent and on recent discussions, for example, something along the lines of a traditional distributed system like Amoeba would not be in scope, nor would technology based on a permissioned blockchain, since both have highly centralized control. Similarly, someone might ask why we're interested in alternatives to the DNS, which is distributed but hierarchical and rooted in a small number of points of control (allowing for the possibility of alternative hierarchies. Melinda -- Software longa, hardware brevis PGP key fingerprint 4F68 2D93 2A17 96F8 20F2 34C0 DFB8 9172 9A76 DB8F From nobody Sat Jul 14 18:40:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7233130E99 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:40:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.95 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.95 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jLg9QnHATP2s for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18873130E90 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 18:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679A258C4AF; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 03:40:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 4D6784402CB; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 03:40:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 03:40:15 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Melinda Shore Cc: Carsten Bormann , "din@irtf.org" Message-ID: <20180715014015.k7scqf5bgs7rktj4@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> <20180713153505.csx5ih4g3ynhsrkk@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <41aad02d-2b9a-e0a3-b8ee-b4760bf6d4a3@nomountain.net> <20180714221111.5bshkw6ucr3pf6zn@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20180714231040.6w32ujd56pd6ft2n@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <21cb85d5-bf6b-1754-43c6-29c76a0e85ab@nomountain.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <21cb85d5-bf6b-1754-43c6-29c76a0e85ab@nomountain.net> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 01:40:24 -0000 On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 08:35:40PM -0400, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 7/14/18 7:10 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > You are comparing a system (CDN) with one of its aspect (control), > > that was not the question. > > Well, I don't know - it might have been. I think it's possible > to look at a number of different axes, including the question of > centralized control (which, come to think of it, strikes me > as one of the more significant aspects). Sure, but the question was about the relationship between distributed and decentralized for a single object/entity and not comparing two different things, even if one is the superset of another. > At any rate I think the question here is not to nail down a > precise definition, but rather to get a basic handle on what > is and is not in scope for the research group. Right. And i was meaning to imply that we may simply want to establissh the language notation that whenever we say "decentralized" we mean "decentralized and/or distributed". Just to keep the langaage simple. > I think that based on the original intent and on recent discussions, for > example, something along the lines of a traditional distributed > system like Amoeba would not be in scope, nor would technology > based on a permissioned blockchain, > ... since both have highly interested in alternatives to the DNS... I can not parse this. Can explain this a bit more ? > which is distributed > but hierarchical and rooted in a small number of points of > control. Many blockchains are now also built hierarchical, and you can easily add a distributed consensus mechanism to protect against an attack against less than 50% of DNS root servers. I think you'll have a very hard time to define crisp criteria for in/out of DINRG this way. Probably a lot easier to just stick to the classical approach of figuring out what the top interest of the RG contributors is, how many they can work on in parallel and avoiding to step on other RGs feet. ;-) > (allowing for the possibility of alternative hierarchies. Alternative hierarchies are not a good thing to you ? 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Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180714231040.6w32ujd56pd6ft2n@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [10.225.183.90] X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA22Sf0wTZxjHeXvX9mg4fbnC+lh1umPTjW2AoplhiwxYtops0WRZ5pooBz1o M9qSu5aBfzhEyJbGichMWBHlR1UGVCdmSoxk5lgmMMa6icFEZW6DKZiBzKmQodudB7Z/7J/L 836/z+d53vebowjmpt5MOVweXnBxRazOQBrSgstffr4925ryuf+VDUenu8nXkaX2VI9uC/rA 8JqNL3KU8ELyxlyD/fyFAFk8Q5ZKfZKuHFWSPkRRgNfBpeECHzJQDK7TQO3eOaQeQgiuTvyo VQ+tCB7eaND4UDRlxC/CyJ17j+s4zMD9O7/r1aYpAnqrL+kUQ4fTYN9QkFTqxXgF+BovE0oT wnMATUM+QjFonA7Hzk/qlZrEz8FAoEqr1PH4fag43KFXe2Kh74vRx4Oi8VboGz2lVe5N4Bfg 5LlkRSawCSr+/lKr1itgz9f1hPq0Z6C/07ofGf0Rg/xh2B8B+yPgRkS2oXjRkVLiXJuyITVJ yOPFnSlrkvLdzk6kJm7qQrfP8BLCFGJj6PvN2VZGy5WIZU4Jrac0bDxdUylLi/LctjI7J9p3 CN4iXmTNNIqKimKMT2TRm+d0iKLD7ZIQUAQbR7eZZI62cWU7ecGtYhJaSpGsif6q+SUrgws5 D/8hzxfzwoL7KkWxQO9qk8FYgS/kSwscRZ4Fm12u7nwq0olcq6GiJZRKxci7VysjaLGYc4qO wnl8iYozC2oY7UdZ1NzUwQMEQ7rcLt5sossVHiuddq/ryQ3My2j9eouViY8wwlMm0K9IztBI NytwjPxjh3cD3WU8tI2JnRfD0NqgzOBzBEy1HqHht9qaRXD2YsMS6PWfeBoGhw+thLnTf7Ew e3HPKrh15fhGCNw+kwFVwd2ZcPfAVCYExvfmwMHZUA7UH+l+D2ZG92+DrtCV7VA3czQXpK6h PJg8/H0+dE7/WQB1w+MuaHow7oaRWx0ekP7o8MLA7O4KBB09x30Imh9el7+1LYP75LqqsQZB S+WNFgT1v3wXQNB59ad2NCEHrJEDTvp0kxKwh/P8T8DzaviV5nL0mW3Aea2hv+TtwfTT98ZS r7XMZK4OcVtD1ER2aZrv47OFF45tF342Juz4JrHXu2vZzY+YN1pXVme1v8nnV1iWZkyaGons sWer3r37bdM7oz/EnXiUlfBWTcG67n+DuZfLM3Is1atSrz8KnEyYXkyUDaZ/8s+WsbEHI8mW 3sTNybakyR4jS4p2bk0iIYjcf9Jf2lF6BAAA Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 02:02:34 -0000 On 07/15/2018 01:10 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > You are comparing a system (CDN) with one of its aspect (control), > that was not the question. > > Would you call the overall CDN non-decentralized, and if so, why ? Well, I'd not call it decentralized, if an essential aspect or subsystem is highly centralized. Cf. https://news.earn.com/quantifying-decentralization-e39db233c28e for an approach how decentralization may be quantified. Best, Chris > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 06:20:19PM -0400, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> CDNs are a textbook example of a widely distributed system with highly centralized control. From nobody Sat Jul 14 21:20:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4C8130F46 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 21:20:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.95 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.95 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sb6w_j2nYcW8 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 21:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBB8E130F43 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 21:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8574358C4AF; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 06:20:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 6DEEB4402CB; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 06:20:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 06:20:07 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: "Christian.Hoeppler" Cc: din@irtf.org Message-ID: <20180715042007.vmvy5xrsbu6r3tzb@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> <20180713153505.csx5ih4g3ynhsrkk@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <41aad02d-2b9a-e0a3-b8ee-b4760bf6d4a3@nomountain.net> <20180714221111.5bshkw6ucr3pf6zn@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20180714231040.6w32ujd56pd6ft2n@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <57ff6135-63b7-62b6-2240-3903e9754cb6@de.bosch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <57ff6135-63b7-62b6-2240-3903e9754cb6@de.bosch.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 04:20:15 -0000 On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 03:58:08AM +0200, Christian.Hoeppler wrote: > On 07/15/2018 01:10 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > You are comparing a system (CDN) with one of its aspect (control), > > that was not the question. > > > > Would you call the overall CDN non-decentralized, and if so, why ? > > Well, I'd not call it decentralized, if an essential aspect or subsystem > is highly centralized. So you would call a composite system distributd if _SOME_ aspects are decentralized, and decentralized if _ALL_ aspects are decentralized ? Aka: i think this is all dfficult and will take a long time to agree on, so bad idea trying to define scope of charter on such ambiguously interpreted terms. > Cf. https://news.earn.com/quantifying-decentralization-e39db233c28e for > an approach how decentralization may be quantified. Nice, thanks. And blockchains are simple systems composed from few functions with little structure (compared to a typical network and all its L2..L9 functions). Cheers Toerless > Best, > Chris > > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 06:20:19PM -0400, Carsten Bormann wrote: > >> CDNs are a textbook example of a widely distributed system with highly centralized control. > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din From nobody Sun Jul 15 09:17:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FA9130EF6 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:17:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rB1V5NjZ2pEs for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smarthost1.greenhost.nl (smarthost1.greenhost.nl [195.190.28.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F3A5130ED0 for ; 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Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <57ff6135-63b7-62b6-2240-3903e9754cb6@de.bosch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-As-Hash: 29cc722430e8f1f6ed904119444c0d49b0f3ee91 X-Virus-Scanned: by clamav at smarthost1.samage.net X-Scan-Signature: 2ecd0b53b7de9511489f92806276a3d7 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 16:17:35 -0000 In the discussion on distirbution vs centralization this article might be of interest: https://policyreview.info/articles/analysis/myth-decentralised-internet Abstract In popular culture, and in policy discussions, the internet is often conceived of as a decentralised technology, which cannot be controlled. Drawing from research into internet infrastructure, focusing on the Border Gateway Protocol, I show that the internet has never been, and never can be, decentralised. I argue that the internet is better viewed as being distributed, both in terms of technologies and governance arrangements. The shift in perspective, from decentralised to distributed, is essential to understand the past and present internet, and to imagine possible future internets which preserve and support the public good. RFC8280 proposes: Decentralized: Implementation or deployment of standards, protocols, or systems without one single point of control. Best, Niels -- Niels ten Oever Researcher and PhD Candidate Datactive Research Group University of Amsterdam PGP fingerprint 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 From nobody Sun Jul 15 09:28:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA8F130E2C for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:28:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=nomountain-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CZ_rhQ8_WDYv for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x22c.google.com (mail-it0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29DDF130DDA for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id h2-v6so15769734itj.1 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:28:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nomountain-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Uz6IXuR4lxnrsXpSFYpIerz1Pm1jIXGjZwpn/7khgSk=; b=ezjXvR3u7N0N6HaUt9zLNW4RrMg7CQhEsNFu2YP11r9iJX9WXVLH4QPo748rZ+M/SV LpuQIjzgTMfPfT7WjmwIOvxzyRCF7feRcDy8FWtjKXebaD+mdNazpt3lp4lpr6coUjsh EvA9ngm0XFWEk/TT2/butQLBthC2mAbJTw9g2qfgfnii8jFCoVN13AJrANvAYV2Jr+jT NHKw0b8p6WP270QRh6nypkuRHdJa8LrDM/rtDOae03oSnkjzS3femucSF9hZrowVK9at wym6iMOwmc+sUsJVFqs7oDSv38nXdMFdlddLJso7KGs8bH22G164b+9HmhjL9VyNd0sQ RRrg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Uz6IXuR4lxnrsXpSFYpIerz1Pm1jIXGjZwpn/7khgSk=; b=F9w/aL80OGAN1AhMIogcMJlDA+ndpVpCWr2swCYICrhveZtBaGFu8UF/K8110jB57x QxDGsXXXMl7RzB9agNHYyjolKSM+hNZfMIyLdNXUnVX+k+HuLhX+Y0EcypVdRskhjMZT rCy/LVOEzagbB0KmP27ZWqJ+ThffkRzEF2/7z4UrpP3wqjxQVhKxEJzj8Gsq3UJbW8S3 nmgBype3QW4TRgBsEv2d0mMOtHVhZ+YfS2igHBuUzu5JGzwB1PwFfCgFFwknPKXDRUgz 2J6ZP2FPOw71cDljauj1MrmKaK738JWVcn0IGI+qd2wxUkfHwPU+4qjHBPfznOBQ+CPt rtzg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGDy3g5TMWcg05beYEyRNUxCs3ZOd2iTUjDbKuHRlE0o2PhasiQ Nq0JaQE9NTom2bbx199oAwY6Lp2KYQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpeBQcKwhTn+L9vzpvHwavjMihYsge8PmxV8mu5q9bZUFxa7iIRtw6/v+Wcmu42BuQ5vU2X0xg== X-Received: by 2002:a24:1c09:: with SMTP id c9-v6mr10911498itc.38.1531672129165; Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-90a0.meeting.ietf.org ([2001:67c:1232:144:ed3c:dbb1:3ef:aed3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e18-v6sm15198761iof.23.2018.07.15.09.28.48 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 15 Jul 2018 09:28:48 -0700 (PDT) To: din@irtf.org References: <76cd5da5-c2ba-dc04-e1bb-6ffd49f94eb3@nomountain.net> <20180713153505.csx5ih4g3ynhsrkk@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <41aad02d-2b9a-e0a3-b8ee-b4760bf6d4a3@nomountain.net> <20180714221111.5bshkw6ucr3pf6zn@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20180714231040.6w32ujd56pd6ft2n@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <57ff6135-63b7-62b6-2240-3903e9754cb6@de.bosch.com> <61b5f1b9-e3b0-900a-a6a0-1e43f29a7803@digitaldissidents.org> From: Melinda Shore Message-ID: <188f1331-84b9-1104-e040-81dc01e5d9b4@nomountain.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:28:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <61b5f1b9-e3b0-900a-a6a0-1e43f29a7803@digitaldissidents.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Updated charter proposal X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 16:28:52 -0000 On 7/15/18 12:17 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote:> https://policyreview.info/articles/analysis/myth-decentralised-internet I think that's useful but I'll note that the word "layer" does not appear anywhere in the article, and there's no mention of work on ad hoc networks, which have been standardized in the IETF and are therefore arguably part of "the internet." Anyway, while IP-based protocols are not layered as cleanly as one might like, it's typically the case that when we consider the design of infrastructure services, like naming or trust, we rarely consider the interaction with routing and so on. Anyway, I think that what the author is arguing is basically consistent with how we see the internet in general, which is part of what motivates this work on decentralizing internet infrastructure. We don't currently have decentralized services - there are points of centralized control in today's internet - but we're interested in how they can be built and function on top of IP-based protocols. Thanks for the pointer! Melinda -- Software longa, hardware brevis PGP key fingerprint 4F68 2D93 2A17 96F8 20F2 34C0 DFB8 9172 9A76 DB8F From nobody Mon Jul 16 13:23:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06501130E34; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:23:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=uu.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lqR8nNl4CkpU; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cursor.its.uu.se (smtp-out3.uu.se [130.238.7.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71DEA130E60; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e-mailfilter01.sunet.se (e-mailfilter01.sunet.se [192.36.171.201]) by cursor.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2843C1D3; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 22:23:24 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=uu.se; s=centralsmtp; t=1531772604; bh=dGJz6ml2NSO4yIwIej3hFg1s0TTAIojBkNXNoqizF80=; h=Subject:To:CC:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=P2xkvJRO8UEa3KdVzq4hi+4hCzegRQj9Abg1mxmBAI8w0zxC9wsSwNqfHjrS4UDwP DcI/nyLM0mT9YhfHCLIL7NgNFK/WEBPaTiTFPYf/DRnj8hOgB8us17py43lnyDW59m K/0Sk1257soO0gO+FDT1e9dBe11S/B7luWpE9BCc= Received: from lyra.its.uu.se (lyra.its.uu.se [130.238.7.73]) by e-mailfilter01.sunet.se (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id w6GKNHtA115477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Jul 2018 22:23:21 +0200 Received: from smtp.user.uu.se (uuc-epost003.user.uu.se [130.238.3.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lyra.its.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBA06380C0; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 22:23:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.10.224.123] (144.121.28.90) by uuc-epost003.user.uu.se (130.238.3.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1466.3; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 22:23:14 +0200 To: Jungha Hong , "t2trg@irtf.org" , "din@irtf.org" CC: =?UTF-8?B?7ZmN7Jqp6re8?= , "joosang.youn@gmail.com" References: From: L M Feeney Message-ID: <82dc8fd0-3ea0-c72f-2fff-cf42c1867769@it.uu.se> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 22:23:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [144.121.28.90] X-ClientProxiedBy: uuc-epost002.user.uu.se (130.238.3.12) To uuc-epost003.user.uu.se (130.238.3.13) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: outbound, outbound-uu-se:default, uu-se:default, base:default, @@RPTN) X-p0f-Info: os=Linux 2.6.x, link=Ethernet or modem X-CanIt-Geo: ip=130.238.3.13; country=SE; region=Uppsala; city=Uppsala; latitude=59.8667; longitude=17.6333; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=59.8667,17.6333&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outbound-uu-se:outbound (inherits from outbound-uu-se:default, uu-se:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 09WbwnhIw - abc229c8eabc - 20180716 X-CanIt-Archive-Cluster: PfMRe/vJWMiXwM2YIH5BVExnUnw X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] [T2TRG] [T2TRG/Din] Discussion New draft for draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:23:31 -0000 Dear Jungha and team and all, I think the document addresses important and interesting issues. I agree with Thorsten Dahm that it lists problems (generally in the form of requirements) and misses solutions. But for me, it also misses an architectural context for the challenges that are highlighted by the document. For example, the discussion of latency is really about a requirement. It would be helpful to understand more about the challenge: Where does the important delay and jitter come from? Is it in the wireless access or is due to potentially high traffic loads in the network infrastructure at the edge? Or is the bottleneck in coordinating resources needed for edge processing? Perhaps working through these sorts of questions would highlight where the most useful directions are? Of course, the answers might be different for different architecture models of the network and the edge functionality: A RPL-based network operating in unlicensed spectrum and connecting via home WiFi to edge services being provided to users spread over a large geographic area might be quite different from a network that uses a mobile operator's radio access network to connect to edge services for a factory environment. Perhaps the use cases in section 5 would be helpful in focusing on a small number of representative architectures? Thanks and best regards, Laura ---- Laura Marie Feeney Uppsala University, Sweden On 2018-07-10 04:43, Jungha Hong wrote: > Dear all, > > We submitted a draft tiled "Problem Statement of IoT integrated with > Edge Computing". > > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt > > This is the first edition and its purpose is to discuss the followings: > > * New challenges of IoT by the environment changes > * Edge computing as an emerging technology in IoT > * Use cases of Edge computing in IoT > * IETF/IRTF directions for Edge computing in IoT > > We would like to start a discussion first on the mailing list before the > Montreal meeting. > > Please take a look and give us any comments. > > We hope to get an enough comments for a side meeting in Montreal. > > I am copying it to DINRG as well in case they might be interested in > this topic. > > Thanks, > > Jungha Hong > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *=EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C : *"internet-drafts@ietf.org" > *=EB=B3=B4=EB=82=B8 =EB=82=A0=EC=A7=9C : *2018-07-02 21:22:08 ( +09:00 ) > *=EB=B0=9B=EB=8A=94 =EC=82=AC=EB=9E=8C : *=ED=99=8D=EC=A0=95=ED=95=98 , =ED=99=8D=EC=9A=A9=EA=B7=BC , =ED=99=8D > =EC=A0=95=ED=95=98 , Joo-Sang Youn , =ED=99=8D=EC=9A=A9=EA=B7=BC > > *=EC=B0=B8=EC=A1=B0 : * > *=EC=A0=9C=EB=AA=A9 : *New Version Notification for draft-hong-iot-edge-c= omputing-00.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Jungha Hong and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-hong-iot-edge-computing > Revision: 00 > Title: Problem Statement of IoT integrated with Edge Computing > Document date: 2018-07-02 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 12 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hong-iot-edge-computing/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hong-iot-edge-computing-00 > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hong-iot-edge-computing > > > Abstract: > This document describes new challenges for IoT services issued by the > changes of the IoT environment. In order to address those new > challenges, the integration of Edge computing and IoT has been > emerged as a promising solution. This document provides the concept > of IoT integrated with Edge computing as well as its use cases to > discuss the benefits and challenges of Edge computing mainly focused > on IoT data. The direction of Edge computing for IoT should be > discussed in IETF/IRTF. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > _______________________________________________ > T2TRG mailing list > T2TRG@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/t2trg > N=C3=A4r du har kontakt med oss p=C3=A5 Uppsala universitet med e-post s=C3= =A5 inneb=C3=A4r det att vi behandlar dina personuppgifter. 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List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:25:54 -0000 Hello, To all presenters at the DINRG session tomorrow, please send us your presentation slides. Also, we need a note taker (capturing the discussions, not the presentations). Would be great if we could a volunteer before the session starts so that we can save some time for presentations and discussions during the session. Thanks, Melinda and Dirk From nobody Thu Jul 19 06:18:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B4D130DCE for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2018 06:17:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.332 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.332 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, INVALID_MSGID=0.568, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z1uCNKnloUM8 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2018 06:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in.huawei.com [45.249.212.188]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06259130DCB for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2018 06:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dggemi401-hub.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.30.72.55]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 7D1A02E89BD52; Thu, 19 Jul 2018 21:17:38 +0800 (CST) Received: from DGGEMI526-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.127]) by dggemi401-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.134]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Thu, 19 Jul 2018 21:17:36 +0800 From: "Liubingyang (Bryan)" To: Dirk Kutscher , Melinda Shore CC: "din@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: [Din] Presentation material and note taker needed Thread-Index: AQHUH1uvGxZuNPVVOk6goVkyQ8JW+qSWhwDr Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:17:35 +0000 Message-ID: 47FC92C4-61D4-46D6-8FD5-21459B6BD717 References: <6E3B8B6A-C0EB-47DC-AB2C-30AFCD813802@dkutscher.net> In-Reply-To: <6E3B8B6A-C0EB-47DC-AB2C-30AFCD813802@dkutscher.net> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_47FC92C461D446D68FD521459B6BD717_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Presentation material and note taker needed X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:18:00 -0000 --_000_47FC92C461D446D68FD521459B6BD717_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi chairs, Thanks, I will send you the updated slides today. Best Bingyang From:Dirk Kutscher To:din@irtf.org, Cc:Melinda Shore, Date:2018-07-19 08:26:14 Subject:[Din] Presentation material and note taker needed Hello, To all presenters at the DINRG session tomorrow, please send us your presentation slides. Also, we need a note taker (capturing the discussions, not the presentations). Would be great if we could a volunteer before the session starts so that we can save some time for presentations and discussions during the session. Thanks, Melinda and Dirk _______________________________________________ Din mailing list Din@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din --_000_47FC92C461D446D68FD521459B6BD717_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi chairs,

Thanks, I will send you the updated slides today.

Best
Bingyang
From:Dirk Kutscher
To:din@irtf.org,
Cc:Melinda Shore,
Date:2018-07-19 08:26:14
Subject:[Din] Presentation mater= ial and note taker needed

Hello,

To all presenters at the DINRG session tomorrow, please send us your
presentation slides.

Also, we need a note taker (capturing the discussions, not the
presentations). Would be great if we could a volunteer before the
session starts so that we can save some time for presentations and
discussions during the session.

Thanks,
Melinda and Dirk



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 --_000_47FC92C461D446D68FD521459B6BD717_-- From nobody Mon Jul 30 23:22:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A960130DDB for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 23:22:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A1__VbmKl6oL for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 23:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga08-in.huawei.com [45.249.212.255]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FBA8130934 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2018 23:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dggemi403-hub.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.30.72.55]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id BEFF0244587CE for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:22:26 +0800 (CST) Received: from DGGEMI421-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.150) by dggemi403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.136) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.382.0; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:22:26 +0800 Received: from DGGEMI526-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.127]) by dggemi421-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.150]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:22:25 +0800 From: "Liubingyang (Bryan)" To: "din@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: A paper on decentralized internet resource infrastructure Thread-Index: AdQolXTUCPnJFJ9pQ/eST65rCMdhvw== Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 06:22:25 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.130.168.116] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Din] A paper on decentralized internet resource infrastructure X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 06:22:35 -0000 SGVsbG8sIA0KDQpXZSBqdXN0IHN1Ym1pdHRlZCBhIHBhcGVyICJBbiBleHBlcmltZW50IGluIGRp c3RyaWJ1dGVkIEludGVybmV0IGFkZHJlc3MgbWFuYWdlbWVudCB1c2luZyBibG9ja2NoYWlucyIg b24gYXJYaXYsIGh0dHBzOi8vYXJ4aXYub3JnL2Ficy8xODA3LjEwNTI4LiBUaGlzIG1heSBhZGRy ZXNzIHNvbWUgb2YgcXVlc3Rpb25zIGFib3V0IElQIGFkZHJlc3MgbWFuYWdlbWVudCBhc2tlZCBp biB0aGUgRElOUkcgbWVldGluZyBpbiBNb250cmVhbC4gTm90ZSwgaG93ZXZlciwgdGhlIHNvbHV0 aW9uIGRlc2NyaWJlZCBpbiB0aGUgcGFwZXIgaXMgbm90IGV4YWN0bHkgdGhlIHNhbWUgYXMgd2hh dCBwcmVzZW50ZWQgaW4gRElOUkcsIGh0dHBzOi8vZGF0YXRyYWNrZXIuaWV0Zi5vcmcvbWVldGlu Zy8xMDIvbWF0ZXJpYWxzL3NsaWRlcy0xMDItZGlucmctZGVjZW50cmFsaXplZC1pbnRlcm5ldC1y ZXNvdXJjZS10cnVzdC1pbmZyYXN0cnVjdHVyZS1iaW5neWFuZy1saXUtMDAuIFRoZSBtYWpvciBk aWZmZXJlbmNlIGlzIHRoYXQgd2hhdCB3ZSBwcmVzZW50ZWQgaXMgYmFzZWQgb24gcGVybWlzc2lv bmVkIGNoYWluLCB3aGlsZSB0aGUgcGFwZXIgZGVzY3JpYmVzIGFuIGV4cGVyaW1lbnQgYmFzZWQg b24gYSBwdWJsaWMgY2hhaW4uIA0KDQpBbnkgY29tbWVudCBpcyB3ZWxjb21lLiBUaGFuayB5b3Ug dmVyeSBtdWNoIQ0KDQpCaW5neWFuZyAoQnJ5YW4pDQo=