From nobody Wed Jul 3 02:19:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9191201F1 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 02:18:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id smJ-D1Rqbe2T for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 02:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9B71120183 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 02:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p548DC676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.198.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45dwXH2gKyzyXq; Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:18:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 583838332.787861-e2f23fd48e075876f7bf1cfe336364d8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:18:55 +0200 To: suit , teep@ietf.org, din@irtf.org, rats@ietf.org, lake@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Din] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF105: FINAL AGENDA X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 09:18:59 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the FINAL AGENDA for IETF105. Remember that, even though this will now go to the printers, there is still some potential for changes. Conflicts that meet the eye: COSE/TEEP stays; ROLL/SUIT/DINRG and 6TISCH/ACE are maybe slightly less annoying. LAKE and LOOPS have been disentangled, thank you. I have put in some side meetings, but that picture may still change (and I don't understand the timezone logic of that system, so it may be all wrong). All times are EDT (Eastern Daylight Time) =3D=3D UTC -4 hours. (Pure UTC times at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc are useful for those who want to listen from remote.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten FRIDAY, July 19, 2019 -- OMA/T2TRG Work Meeting - @ Ericsson Montreal Office (St-Laurent) SATURDAY/SUNDAY, July 20/21, 2019 -- Hackathon (including various interops) - Centre Ville SUNDAY, July 21, 2019 -- Sun 1700-1900 Welcome Reception - Place du Canada -- Sun 1800-2000 Hot RFC Lightning Talks - Viger MONDAY, July 22, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Van Horne SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG St-Catherine SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Laurier TSV loops Local Optimizations on Path Segments BOF 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I St-Catherine INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Place du Canada SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG Van Horne TSV taps Transport Services WG 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Laurier ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG St-Catherine OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Van Horne SEC *** lake Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange = BOF 1810-1910 Afternoon Session III Laurier ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA TUESDAY, July 23, 2019 0830-0945 Side Meetings / Open Time C2 (21st Floor) IoT Onboarding and MUD (0900..1030?) Place du Canada IETF tdd Technology Deep Dive - How NICs Work = Today 1000-1200 Morning Session I St-Catherine ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG - 1000-1130 St-Catherine INT ipwave IP Wireless Access in Vehicular = Environments WG - 1130-1200 Notre Dame IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking Duluth OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Van Horne SEC cacao Collaborative Automated Course of Action = Operations for Cyber Security BOF Place du Canada TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Centre Ville OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Duluth INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Place du Canada IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Van Horne SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG Collier CoRAL side meeting (1500..1700?) 1710-1810 Afternoon Session III Duluth ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Laurier INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Place du Canada SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG WEDNESDAY, July 24, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Van Horne IRTF*** dinrg Decentralized Internet Infrastructure St-Catherine RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Viger SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG Place du Canada TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Place du Canada GEN netrqmts IETF Meeting Network = Requirements BOF Laurier IRTF pearg Privacy Enhancements and Assessments = Research Group Viger IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing St-Catherine RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Centre Ville RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG 1550-1650 Afternoon Session II St-Catherine RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Centre Ville RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Van Horne SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG THURSDAY, July 25, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Duluth ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Place du Canada SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Laurier TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Duluth INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG Viger IRTF coinrg Computing in the Network Proposed = Research Group Laurier IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking RG Place du Canada SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1550-1720 Afternoon Session II Laurier ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Duluth INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Place du Canada IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Van Horne RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG St-Catherine SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG Centre Ville TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting 1740-1910 Afternoon Session III Duluth INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE = 802.15.4e WG Centre Ville SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG Place du Canada SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG St-Catherine TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance = Techniques WG FRIDAY, July 26, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Notre Dame ART ice Interactive Connectivity Establishment = WG Centre Ville INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks = WG Place du Canada IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Laurier SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG Duluth SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1220-1350 Afternoon Session I Van Horne SEC *** cose CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG St-Catherine SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Place du Canada TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG From nobody Wed Jul 10 16:55:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156C9120297 for ; 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It seems likely that the room may not be large enough, and I will try to find a larger space. He asked that I share the session description: CFP: IETF=E2=80=99s relationship to the future of distributed ledger tech= nology As several people mentioned in the past, it seems valuable to introduce the way we have developed/are developing the Internet technology, followed by working on the governance of the Internet, to experts who need to discuss the future of some new influential global technologies, such as distributed ledger technology (DLT). IETF and other technical communities should discuss openly to develop open standards. For the deployment of the technology, also important is to discuss multiple stakeholders from the point of view of the social impact of the technology. Keio University, Georgetown University, and Japanese Financial Services Agency have been discussing in the past several months on how the experiences of the Internet technology and its governance on the deployment, to find a competent and reasonable way to developing and using DLT. As a part of the dialogue, the team mentioned above made little progress at the G20 finance ministers and central bank governors meeting in Fukuoka [1], to make financial regulators understand to establish a multi-stakeholder community in the DLT ecosystem is crucial. Please be surprised by reading the script of the speech of introduction of the panel discussion [4] held as the official G20 seminar in Fukuoka [2], moderated by Prof. Jun Murai, with Dr. Adam Back as one of the panelists. IETF community might feel distant from this topic; however, if DLT will be part of the basis of a future platform on the Internet, the IETF community might be responsible for the technology. Moreover, the tight relationship with crypto-assets in the context of application-level deployment means that we should discuss DLT with stakeholders, including regulatory agencies and financial institutions. Our team succeeded in convincing regulators that conversation is crucial. We need to be part of the conversation. The purpose of this meeting is to inform what is happening, then starting a dialogue on the topic. We also want to find some motivated souls to work on this effort together. Please come to the meeting. [1] G20 Finance Ministers and Central bank governors meeting https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/ [2] G20 SEMINAR, G20 HIGH-LEVEL SEMINAR ON FINANCIAL INNOVATION, =E2=80=9C= OUR FUTURE IN THE DIGITAL AGE https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/meetings/20190608_1.html [3] Opening Remarks: Taro Aso, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Finance, and Minister of State for Financial Services https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/01.pdf [4] Introductory remarks, Toshihide Endo, Commissioner, Japan Financial Services Agency https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/05.pdf --CrPoG8JeOdmUNioBhYN5wUFmRdNj2zGLd-- --Q01QpyD087sNIPTXW5dMFcrkwSfiu2AzZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEET2gtkyoXlvgg8jTA37iRcpp2248FAl0meu0ACgkQ37iRcpp2 248pJhAAsJLwhHmp5rq+8JKk21kLxkU81rlaDZKW2rAncGIUUrYl6fzwmAVOjnIq caWti8xbGyfQHpyUMfPTeVE5EWQg8KgIxFqGZACC33mcN7k+UT2J2txpTrHXxTqw AK3fqAZ8vVPCuC5eWegClyev/cAI/Z9Pcl+OWC1RriPKwE91WR0vAvZjSPkJH8Iw eJoFeiErNdbswMbz4KFrOyKydj10NH416mZ3veAIY9s51oILSwPqBytEzBHjtR42 cpuwxNpTXuKKkNRBmfYO24c6IR5vSnJ6TJyQQx0rLDdEkaiowyi0K3Fxb2biUNCY I8AiZoreyWbY1gyLQG8YxgDqVOqCV9Qh+lqR8k6BBbA+WrvDs3E5XHu9f8VRW/HQ IywNY5WPhAwYuNiqG5V2R+tthj8Pyw832X7PtLWWVDl7wQwtK2orH5mj8nswO94H XBnVzIFoe7OCzEPv9+TP3Uw9ZMTHUkk3yE8lZwHEwZDOLsXbeTjCKCMziS/G9EML FHOgUAZrOPrgX0PYCt2mib1RIH9eYRxvonIDQ9rQdmgD1CeAq2jSGXhZa+W/t2x2 S1Et8prViyvmu0GWjvDNJONse85Vbeh9Id0mzSu6Hp6p4qXGICCEfxP4GzCg6sh/ sGaxem6l8n7SGN0igVyLMf1TakoI4V9bJ40GrJN0psMI/cvDZLk= =uPeI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q01QpyD087sNIPTXW5dMFcrkwSfiu2AzZ-- From nobody Thu Jul 11 06:22:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15ADC1200F6 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 06:22:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kgxo2lAqrA8O for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 06:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing-exchange-5.mit.edu (outgoing-exchange-5.mit.edu [18.9.28.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBA9F120077 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 06:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w92exedge4.exchange.mit.edu (W92EXEDGE4.EXCHANGE.MIT.EDU [18.7.73.16]) by outgoing-exchange-5.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id x6BDNF5C024939; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:23:49 -0400 Received: from oc11expo23.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.88) by w92exedge4.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.73.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1293.2; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:21:58 -0400 Received: from oc11expo23.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.88) by oc11expo23.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.88) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1365.1; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:22:01 -0400 Received: from oc11expo23.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.88]) by oc11expo23.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.88]) with mapi id 15.00.1365.000; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:22:00 -0400 From: Thomas Hardjono To: "melinda.shore@nomountain.net" , "din@irtf.org" CC: "shigeya@wide.ad.jp" , Thomas Hardjono Thread-Topic: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology Thread-Index: AQHVN3r+eJVjkF32RkqqpESobNvfKqbFZJRY Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 13:22:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: <02e0216d-7745-1757-3b8c-ddc295aebe2d@nomountain.net> In-Reply-To: <02e0216d-7745-1757-3b8c-ddc295aebe2d@nomountain.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [73.167.220.69] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 13:22:40 -0000 Actually, the IETF has a crucial role in the future of cryptocurrency and D= LTs in the general: -- Interoperability of systems has been a major concern (creed) of the IETF= since its beginning in the late 1980s. (Blockchain systems badly need inte= roperability, IMHO). -- Various ciphers are standardized in the IETF. -- Upcoming ciphers and cryptosystems are discussed in the CFRG. -- PKI standards was developed in the PKIX WG in the IETF. --- thomas --- | Thomas Hardjono | MIT Connection Science | http://connection.mit.edu | http://trust.mit.edu | | e: hardjono[at]mit.edu | http://hardjono.mit.edu ________________________________________ From: Din [din-bounces@irtf.org] on behalf of Melinda Shore [melinda.shore@= nomountain.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 7:55 PM To: din@irtf.org Subject: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology Mr Shigeya Suzuki of Keio University has asked for a side meeting on distributed ledger-based financial technology, which will be held on Thursday morning at 10am in the Coller Room. It seems likely that the room may not be large enough, and I will try to find a larger space. He asked that I share the session description: CFP: IETF=92s relationship to the future of distributed ledger technology As several people mentioned in the past, it seems valuable to introduce the way we have developed/are developing the Internet technology, followed by working on the governance of the Internet, to experts who need to discuss the future of some new influential global technologies, such as distributed ledger technology (DLT). IETF and other technical communities should discuss openly to develop open standards. For the deployment of the technology, also important is to discuss multiple stakeholders from the point of view of the social impact of the technology. Keio University, Georgetown University, and Japanese Financial Services Agency have been discussing in the past several months on how the experiences of the Internet technology and its governance on the deployment, to find a competent and reasonable way to developing and using DLT. As a part of the dialogue, the team mentioned above made little progress at the G20 finance ministers and central bank governors meeting in Fukuoka [1], to make financial regulators understand to establish a multi-stakeholder community in the DLT ecosystem is crucial. Please be surprised by reading the script of the speech of introduction of the panel discussion [4] held as the official G20 seminar in Fukuoka [2], moderated by Prof. Jun Murai, with Dr. Adam Back as one of the panelists. IETF community might feel distant from this topic; however, if DLT will be part of the basis of a future platform on the Internet, the IETF community might be responsible for the technology. Moreover, the tight relationship with crypto-assets in the context of application-level deployment means that we should discuss DLT with stakeholders, including regulatory agencies and financial institutions. Our team succeeded in convincing regulators that conversation is crucial. We need to be part of the conversation. The purpose of this meeting is to inform what is happening, then starting a dialogue on the topic. We also want to find some motivated souls to work on this effort together. Please come to the meeting. [1] G20 Finance Ministers and Central bank governors meeting https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/ [2] G20 SEMINAR, G20 HIGH-LEVEL SEMINAR ON FINANCIAL INNOVATION, =93OUR FUTURE IN THE DIGITAL AGE https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/meetings/20190608_1.html [3] Opening Remarks: Taro Aso, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Finance, and Minister of State for Financial Services https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/01.pdf [4] Introductory remarks, Toshihide Endo, Commissioner, Japan Financial Services Agency https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/05.pdf= From nobody Thu Jul 11 09:25:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884CE120271 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:25:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.82 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.82 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VUu4POb1x_jU for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A3F6120172 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3AA22201; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 12:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap36 ([10.202.2.86]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 11 Jul 2019 12:25:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=eHuP06t6ryNmPURfavDYWQrhZ+WIFiX1FChRrI6tA WI=; b=vwJA1X1BLm+JlE8MfU/c7eKDUdAT1hcuEiJ10FF3CO/2WRsnW5ci2cPiy J1UDtgk2AItfq3ZYpxzogPCOeCtp3ST4n1UXOWXPiB6Ashi17hUGNJ8qsVUnEkL9 Am8zdEvz0aK9o0Oyfkin9SxgTfMlGMC3dJjslTZsTjv99HKMkwJOr7PAOZ6wc+8v tANH7lWSVHxoIWsxkRE9Xm2tfNyTrGJwWzr6zDvigIzIUmsmCHalwAV6Xb1KtWE+ GnLCtNgYhSNjAY7tZbyXU1G/ZlLSt83NLBYfzpfGj0+ofbMKzsYPBA+ok5RbNthG W7PQJdhIA1fLqqjR0B6JpLafDQkJQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrgeekgddutddvucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgfgsehtqhertderreejnecuhfhrohhmpedfufhh ihhgvgihrgcuufhuiihukhhifdcuoehshhhighgvhigrseifihguvgdrrggurdhjpheqne cuffhomhgrihhnpehirhhtfhdrohhrghdpfhhsrgdrghhordhjphdpmhhofhdrghhordhj phdpmhhithdrvgguuhenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepshhhihhgvgihrgesfi hiuggvrdgrugdrjhhpnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 46ABF12200A2; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 12:25:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.6-731-g19d3b16-fmstable-20190627v1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <7c87960f-00b0-42c9-b2fd-905ea8752f42@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <02e0216d-7745-1757-3b8c-ddc295aebe2d@nomountain.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 01:25:06 +0900 From: "Shigeya Suzuki" To: "Thomas Hardjono" , "Melinda Shore" , "din@irtf.org" Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:25:13 -0000 Hi, RIght. I'm 100% agree with you, and I'm sure that IETF needs to take a v= ery important role. Also, I know there are people who have doubt on the technology. Thus, I tried very hard to pick words very carefully :D shigeya PS. I'm (relatively) long time IETFer. My first IETF was 38. I also wit= h WIDE for more than thirteen years. On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, at 22:22, Thomas Hardjono wrote: >=20 > Actually, the IETF has a crucial role in the future of cryptocurrency=20= > and DLTs in the general: >=20 > -- Interoperability of systems has been a major concern (creed) of the= =20 > IETF since its beginning in the late 1980s. (Blockchain systems badly=20= > need interoperability, IMHO). >=20 > -- Various ciphers are standardized in the IETF. >=20 > -- Upcoming ciphers and cryptosystems are discussed in the CFRG. >=20 > -- PKI standards was developed in the PKIX WG in the IETF. >=20 >=20 > --- thomas --- >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > | Thomas Hardjono > | MIT Connection Science > | http://connection.mit.edu > | http://trust.mit.edu > | > | e: hardjono[at]mit.edu > | http://hardjono.mit.edu >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________ > From: Din [din-bounces@irtf.org] on behalf of Melinda Shore=20 > [melinda.shore@nomountain.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 7:55 PM > To: din@irtf.org > Subject: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology >=20 > Mr Shigeya Suzuki of Keio University has asked for a side > meeting on distributed ledger-based financial technology, which > will be held on Thursday morning at 10am in the Coller Room. > It seems likely that the room may not be large enough, and > I will try to find a larger space. >=20 > He asked that I share the session description: >=20 > CFP: IETF=E2=80=99s relationship to the future of distributed ledger t= echnology >=20 > As several people mentioned in the past, it seems valuable > to introduce the way we have developed/are developing the > Internet technology, followed by working on the governance > of the Internet, to experts who need to discuss the future > of some new influential global technologies, such as > distributed ledger technology (DLT). IETF and other > technical communities should discuss openly to develop open > standards. For the deployment of the technology, also > important is to discuss multiple stakeholders from the point > of view of the social impact of the technology. >=20 > Keio University, Georgetown University, and Japanese > Financial Services Agency have been discussing in the past > several months on how the experiences of the Internet > technology and its governance on the deployment, to find a > competent and reasonable way to developing and using DLT. >=20 > As a part of the dialogue, the team mentioned above made > little progress at the G20 finance ministers and central > bank governors meeting in Fukuoka [1], to make financial > regulators understand to establish a multi-stakeholder > community in the DLT ecosystem is crucial. Please be > surprised by reading the script of the speech of > introduction of the panel discussion [4] held as the > official G20 seminar in Fukuoka [2], moderated by Prof. Jun > Murai, with Dr. Adam Back as one of the panelists. >=20 > IETF community might feel distant from this topic; however, > if DLT will be part of the basis of a future platform on the > Internet, the IETF community might be responsible for the > technology. Moreover, the tight relationship with > crypto-assets in the context of application-level deployment > means that we should discuss DLT with stakeholders, > including regulatory agencies and financial institutions. >=20 > Our team succeeded in convincing regulators that > conversation is crucial. We need to be part of the > conversation. >=20 > The purpose of this meeting is to inform what is happening, > then starting a dialogue on the topic. We also want to find > some motivated souls to work on this effort together. >=20 > Please come to the meeting. >=20 > [1] G20 Finance Ministers and Central bank governors meeting > https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/ >=20 > [2] G20 SEMINAR, G20 HIGH-LEVEL SEMINAR ON FINANCIAL INNOVATION, =E2=80= =9COUR > FUTURE IN THE DIGITAL AGE > https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/meetings/20190608_1.html >=20 > [3] Opening Remarks: Taro Aso, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of > Finance, and Minister of State for Financial Services > https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/01.pdf >=20 > [4] Introductory remarks, Toshihide Endo, Commissioner, Japan Financia= l > Services Agency > https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/05.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > From nobody Thu Jul 11 09:29:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967D2120331 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:29:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.108 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.108 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.247, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, PDS_NO_HELO_DNS=1.295, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KPXv55h-A5Ot for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-f53.google.com (mail-wm1-f53.google.com [209.85.128.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BBD712030D for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-f53.google.com with SMTP id x15so6305210wmj.3 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:29:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YIOCPWQZgyKdJbyAC2FZVqSSopcA2MWStGxT2dTu3sw=; b=sHSopnFv+48Of4/muIT6lPFdX4q1sOK0vf5+vN/XWNM5q3InNtGCZNTrYzi4+k0jnf 4FC2VfKeT/Lw17EvfofE+TPB8MszSWntUSDPsXketRxss7U5bnOnvCAtHdK33XmKDuwl sefjWi0f/EdkmuanMuoAEiP6MAsWbG1zzZZCpQj+HvtM1klofh2aeW8mdjWV68sUpsNH 2nhsBGQ92CWfsJW3/x3RBq8AiWgRuZxktJnX+F00Kb1N1GZGAPK5x7N7fubIpaj31fkA nSC3vOxAzgIvS9asknxnQ+tA2CmpUIglv0qapwcBbVyZ5p7XiD/YyYJVYeCxAdMmM8UU ECYw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW1tmQkZbWfBcz7QPYKrVvcQxj8TtS6F7DHSE2a46I+O+1a6iwH eBhb63AKeZuUvFM0d0BfQOsCB6/myz69D7IbK+c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxiK5GkKcbXERc0WE/9VpFsYOi3GPnRH0NKpK/NuElPEmCw8AnrSNJrW5YhVQ89er5R0SPGlRGbXuPliVSDg0M= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:118a:: with SMTP id i10mr4898245wmf.162.1562862559049; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:29:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <02e0216d-7745-1757-3b8c-ddc295aebe2d@nomountain.net> In-Reply-To: From: Jon Crowcroft Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 18:29:07 +0200 Message-ID: To: Thomas Hardjono Cc: "melinda.shore@nomountain.net" , "din@irtf.org" , "shigeya@wide.ad.jp" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:29:24 -0000 those sound like the right aspects of dlt to address - i'd leave the "finance" part of fintech out or we'll get into endless debates about fiat and stable etc etc which belong elsewhere... On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 3:22 PM Thomas Hardjono wrote: > > > Actually, the IETF has a crucial role in the future of cryptocurrency and= DLTs in the general: > > -- Interoperability of systems has been a major concern (creed) of the IE= TF since its beginning in the late 1980s. (Blockchain systems badly need in= teroperability, IMHO). > > -- Various ciphers are standardized in the IETF. > > -- Upcoming ciphers and cryptosystems are discussed in the CFRG. > > -- PKI standards was developed in the PKIX WG in the IETF. > > > --- thomas --- > > > > > | Thomas Hardjono > | MIT Connection Science > | http://connection.mit.edu > | http://trust.mit.edu > | > | e: hardjono[at]mit.edu > | http://hardjono.mit.edu > > > ________________________________________ > From: Din [din-bounces@irtf.org] on behalf of Melinda Shore [melinda.shor= e@nomountain.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 7:55 PM > To: din@irtf.org > Subject: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology > > Mr Shigeya Suzuki of Keio University has asked for a side > meeting on distributed ledger-based financial technology, which > will be held on Thursday morning at 10am in the Coller Room. > It seems likely that the room may not be large enough, and > I will try to find a larger space. > > He asked that I share the session description: > > CFP: IETF=E2=80=99s relationship to the future of distributed ledger tech= nology > > As several people mentioned in the past, it seems valuable > to introduce the way we have developed/are developing the > Internet technology, followed by working on the governance > of the Internet, to experts who need to discuss the future > of some new influential global technologies, such as > distributed ledger technology (DLT). IETF and other > technical communities should discuss openly to develop open > standards. For the deployment of the technology, also > important is to discuss multiple stakeholders from the point > of view of the social impact of the technology. > > Keio University, Georgetown University, and Japanese > Financial Services Agency have been discussing in the past > several months on how the experiences of the Internet > technology and its governance on the deployment, to find a > competent and reasonable way to developing and using DLT. > > As a part of the dialogue, the team mentioned above made > little progress at the G20 finance ministers and central > bank governors meeting in Fukuoka [1], to make financial > regulators understand to establish a multi-stakeholder > community in the DLT ecosystem is crucial. Please be > surprised by reading the script of the speech of > introduction of the panel discussion [4] held as the > official G20 seminar in Fukuoka [2], moderated by Prof. Jun > Murai, with Dr. Adam Back as one of the panelists. > > IETF community might feel distant from this topic; however, > if DLT will be part of the basis of a future platform on the > Internet, the IETF community might be responsible for the > technology. Moreover, the tight relationship with > crypto-assets in the context of application-level deployment > means that we should discuss DLT with stakeholders, > including regulatory agencies and financial institutions. > > Our team succeeded in convincing regulators that > conversation is crucial. We need to be part of the > conversation. > > The purpose of this meeting is to inform what is happening, > then starting a dialogue on the topic. We also want to find > some motivated souls to work on this effort together. > > Please come to the meeting. > > [1] G20 Finance Ministers and Central bank governors meeting > https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/ > > [2] G20 SEMINAR, G20 HIGH-LEVEL SEMINAR ON FINANCIAL INNOVATION, =E2=80= =9COUR > FUTURE IN THE DIGITAL AGE > https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/meetings/20190608_1.html > > [3] Opening Remarks: Taro Aso, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of > Finance, and Minister of State for Financial Services > https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/01.pdf > > [4] Introductory remarks, Toshihide Endo, Commissioner, Japan Financial > Services Agency > https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/05.pdf > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din From nobody Thu Jul 11 09:36:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E8A120106 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:36:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.82 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.82 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Y8BDK81I-PS for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C48B9120123 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 09:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5EF21FFD; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 12:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap36 ([10.202.2.86]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 11 Jul 2019 12:36:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=W/Z5w5vWcTA2yHIUOGM/su0AEV24QbBKzd4YLEx25 00=; b=UOph+SMpz34RJ+cmz296be2EecF4I0k+D8ETtNKxOb2f9aHShotXy6iwn 001ReFUFPfevN8zhgMsHDX9BjxvWmmLxHKkw6oU5xBcDPORC4Z9CnsMEaojJrde5 52M0RsR+tq5SoKiunHAncCUheJWjW5j9twPoxfi/ICFMqUw2oy9l/acP+kiV0QFg nJVak6UrKEabr4xO3GS+4evLc8TBtlZecv5bQXXtESDH2mlt8Yg6xTuPZnMLCBKd yowsd8ot53mqxZmsC0Sv6riCvJNjlApSoC3+7jd1y+IQgC6VJWeTzYJABh/eqfQO OBaA2jjlqVJXh9QVtfBr3iFB+dD2w== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduvddrgeekgddutdehucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgfgsehtqhertderreejnecuhfhrohhmpedfufhh ihhgvgihrgcuufhuiihukhhifdcuoehshhhighgvhigrseifihguvgdrrggurdhjpheqne cuffhomhgrihhnpehirhhtfhdrohhrghdpfhhsrgdrghhordhjphdpmhhofhdrghhordhj phdpmhhithdrvgguuhenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepshhhihhgvgihrgesfi hiuggvrdgrugdrjhhpnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5151A12200A2; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 12:36:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.6-731-g19d3b16-fmstable-20190627v1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <705846a7-d99c-4d34-ac2e-8ad28ad595a1@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <02e0216d-7745-1757-3b8c-ddc295aebe2d@nomountain.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 01:36:44 +0900 From: "Shigeya Suzuki" To: "Jon Crowcroft" , "Thomas Hardjono" Cc: "Melinda Shore" , "din@irtf.org" Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:36:50 -0000 As one of IETFer, I probably able to ask somebody to think about the rel= ationship with the *financial* part in terms of deployment. We maybe want to focus just on the technology. However, even we want to= avoid the bound with the financial part, we may not able to escape from= that. As I'm a researcher on the Internet technology, I seriously want to avoi= d the relationship with the financial part of relationships, unfortunate= ly, as you see, I'm involved in dealing with the technology :< shigeya On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, at 01:29, Jon Crowcroft wrote: > those sound like the right aspects of dlt to address - i'd leave the > "finance" part of fintech out > or we'll get into endless debates about fiat and stable etc etc which > belong elsewhere... >=20 > On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 3:22 PM Thomas Hardjono wro= te: > > > > > > Actually, the IETF has a crucial role in the future of cryptocurrenc= y and DLTs in the general: > > > > -- Interoperability of systems has been a major concern (creed) of t= he IETF since its beginning in the late 1980s. (Blockchain systems badly= need interoperability, IMHO). > > > > -- Various ciphers are standardized in the IETF. > > > > -- Upcoming ciphers and cryptosystems are discussed in the CFRG. > > > > -- PKI standards was developed in the PKIX WG in the IETF. > > > > > > --- thomas --- > > > > > > > > > > | Thomas Hardjono > > | MIT Connection Science > > | http://connection.mit.edu > > | http://trust.mit.edu > > | > > | e: hardjono[at]mit.edu > > | http://hardjono.mit.edu > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: Din [din-bounces@irtf.org] on behalf of Melinda Shore [melinda= .shore@nomountain.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 7:55 PM > > To: din@irtf.org > > Subject: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology > > > > Mr Shigeya Suzuki of Keio University has asked for a side > > meeting on distributed ledger-based financial technology, which > > will be held on Thursday morning at 10am in the Coller Room. > > It seems likely that the room may not be large enough, and > > I will try to find a larger space. > > > > He asked that I share the session description: > > > > CFP: IETF=E2=80=99s relationship to the future of distributed ledger= technology > > > > As several people mentioned in the past, it seems valuable > > to introduce the way we have developed/are developing the > > Internet technology, followed by working on the governance > > of the Internet, to experts who need to discuss the future > > of some new influential global technologies, such as > > distributed ledger technology (DLT). IETF and other > > technical communities should discuss openly to develop open > > standards. For the deployment of the technology, also > > important is to discuss multiple stakeholders from the point > > of view of the social impact of the technology. > > > > Keio University, Georgetown University, and Japanese > > Financial Services Agency have been discussing in the past > > several months on how the experiences of the Internet > > technology and its governance on the deployment, to find a > > competent and reasonable way to developing and using DLT. > > > > As a part of the dialogue, the team mentioned above made > > little progress at the G20 finance ministers and central > > bank governors meeting in Fukuoka [1], to make financial > > regulators understand to establish a multi-stakeholder > > community in the DLT ecosystem is crucial. Please be > > surprised by reading the script of the speech of > > introduction of the panel discussion [4] held as the > > official G20 seminar in Fukuoka [2], moderated by Prof. Jun > > Murai, with Dr. Adam Back as one of the panelists. > > > > IETF community might feel distant from this topic; however, > > if DLT will be part of the basis of a future platform on the > > Internet, the IETF community might be responsible for the > > technology. Moreover, the tight relationship with > > crypto-assets in the context of application-level deployment > > means that we should discuss DLT with stakeholders, > > including regulatory agencies and financial institutions. > > > > Our team succeeded in convincing regulators that > > conversation is crucial. We need to be part of the > > conversation. > > > > The purpose of this meeting is to inform what is happening, > > then starting a dialogue on the topic. We also want to find > > some motivated souls to work on this effort together. > > > > Please come to the meeting. > > > > [1] G20 Finance Ministers and Central bank governors meeting > > https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/ > > > > [2] G20 SEMINAR, G20 HIGH-LEVEL SEMINAR ON FINANCIAL INNOVATION, =E2= =80=9COUR > > FUTURE IN THE DIGITAL AGE > > https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/meetings/20190608_1.html > > > > [3] Opening Remarks: Taro Aso, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of > > Finance, and Minister of State for Financial Services > > https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/01.pdf > > > > [4] Introductory remarks, Toshihide Endo, Commissioner, Japan Financ= ial > > Services Agency > > https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/05.pdf > > _______________________________________________ > > Din mailing list > > Din@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > From nobody Thu Jul 11 10:22:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0788E120198 for ; 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Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.234.86.18] ([73.93.155.26]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s7sm5135573pjn.28.2019.07.11.10.22.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Dino Farinacci In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:22:32 -0700 Cc: Thomas Hardjono , "shigeya@wide.ad.jp" , "melinda.shore@nomountain.net" , "din@irtf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <02e0216d-7745-1757-3b8c-ddc295aebe2d@nomountain.net> To: Jon Crowcroft X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 17:22:37 -0000 Agree, lets give crypto a good network to run over. Let=E2=80=99s make = transactions fast, lets make the network efficient and accessiable = through NATs on devices and cloud apps. And of course standardize a = blockchain protocol so exchanges don=E2=80=99t have to be on n different = blockchains just to service wallets. This reminds me of the IP versus AppleTalk versus IPX versus Apollo = Domain versus Chaosnet versus OSI versus . . .=20 Having said that, can we can somone from the Libra Association to talk = about Libra? Dino > On Jul 11, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Jon Crowcroft = wrote: >=20 > those sound like the right aspects of dlt to address - i'd leave the > "finance" part of fintech out > or we'll get into endless debates about fiat and stable etc etc which > belong elsewhere... >=20 > On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 3:22 PM Thomas Hardjono = wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> Actually, the IETF has a crucial role in the future of cryptocurrency = and DLTs in the general: >>=20 >> -- Interoperability of systems has been a major concern (creed) of = the IETF since its beginning in the late 1980s. (Blockchain systems = badly need interoperability, IMHO). >>=20 >> -- Various ciphers are standardized in the IETF. >>=20 >> -- Upcoming ciphers and cryptosystems are discussed in the CFRG. >>=20 >> -- PKI standards was developed in the PKIX WG in the IETF. >>=20 >>=20 >> --- thomas --- >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> | Thomas Hardjono >> | MIT Connection Science >> | http://connection.mit.edu >> | http://trust.mit.edu >> | >> | e: hardjono[at]mit.edu >> | http://hardjono.mit.edu >>=20 >>=20 >> ________________________________________ >> From: Din [din-bounces@irtf.org] on behalf of Melinda Shore = [melinda.shore@nomountain.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 7:55 PM >> To: din@irtf.org >> Subject: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology >>=20 >> Mr Shigeya Suzuki of Keio University has asked for a side >> meeting on distributed ledger-based financial technology, which >> will be held on Thursday morning at 10am in the Coller Room. >> It seems likely that the room may not be large enough, and >> I will try to find a larger space. >>=20 >> He asked that I share the session description: >>=20 >> CFP: IETF=E2=80=99s relationship to the future of distributed ledger = technology >>=20 >> As several people mentioned in the past, it seems valuable >> to introduce the way we have developed/are developing the >> Internet technology, followed by working on the governance >> of the Internet, to experts who need to discuss the future >> of some new influential global technologies, such as >> distributed ledger technology (DLT). IETF and other >> technical communities should discuss openly to develop open >> standards. For the deployment of the technology, also >> important is to discuss multiple stakeholders from the point >> of view of the social impact of the technology. >>=20 >> Keio University, Georgetown University, and Japanese >> Financial Services Agency have been discussing in the past >> several months on how the experiences of the Internet >> technology and its governance on the deployment, to find a >> competent and reasonable way to developing and using DLT. >>=20 >> As a part of the dialogue, the team mentioned above made >> little progress at the G20 finance ministers and central >> bank governors meeting in Fukuoka [1], to make financial >> regulators understand to establish a multi-stakeholder >> community in the DLT ecosystem is crucial. Please be >> surprised by reading the script of the speech of >> introduction of the panel discussion [4] held as the >> official G20 seminar in Fukuoka [2], moderated by Prof. Jun >> Murai, with Dr. Adam Back as one of the panelists. >>=20 >> IETF community might feel distant from this topic; however, >> if DLT will be part of the basis of a future platform on the >> Internet, the IETF community might be responsible for the >> technology. Moreover, the tight relationship with >> crypto-assets in the context of application-level deployment >> means that we should discuss DLT with stakeholders, >> including regulatory agencies and financial institutions. >>=20 >> Our team succeeded in convincing regulators that >> conversation is crucial. We need to be part of the >> conversation. >>=20 >> The purpose of this meeting is to inform what is happening, >> then starting a dialogue on the topic. We also want to find >> some motivated souls to work on this effort together. >>=20 >> Please come to the meeting. >>=20 >> [1] G20 Finance Ministers and Central bank governors meeting >> https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/ >>=20 >> [2] G20 SEMINAR, G20 HIGH-LEVEL SEMINAR ON FINANCIAL INNOVATION, = =E2=80=9COUR >> FUTURE IN THE DIGITAL AGE >> https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/meetings/20190608_1.html >>=20 >> [3] Opening Remarks: Taro Aso, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of >> Finance, and Minister of State for Financial Services >> https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/01.pdf >>=20 >> [4] Introductory remarks, Toshihide Endo, Commissioner, Japan = Financial >> Services Agency >> https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/05.pdf >> _______________________________________________ >> Din mailing list >> Din@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din From nobody Thu Jul 11 10:29:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6E7120106 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:29:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.247, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, PDS_NO_HELO_DNS=1.295, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id knmrxs8SQ8HQ for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-f50.google.com (mail-wr1-f50.google.com [209.85.221.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13F061200D8 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-f50.google.com with SMTP id 31so7208761wrm.1 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:29:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hmESxij7IVnGo0mFcO48Qh26ckmGkbtgowiQvmrCqn4=; b=e0bQK0sIzplQytH6v/JRANSY+YsbFXf4xUQlFEv3VHvW51nBq10VLWqMkRLp73V5Kh KFaclG+iEYG31EszgVqESUOsxtlnmvJrbqhl8S+pfeH4zSYSx0XPJqCElMKhzSHCURZ+ 3Qc5LIGZqSeWQaxtThy2X3hiNBLx7BPQlkVXuk7RoAA2smJtHFF8kae4P8uGidqvrHTl zuIa26iG++IGjtKhNRfrWwZPXkdSYRHoEXDqPs03Sc7NqhKmCtX6SzCbwrOYoD5yB5bm WuYMw0vLeCbSuRQEhEvrQLtTRyjF0TdpFGIbdWY0oIyrQEfdn8nU4La2BjXtUOE0CETp hvHg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX2Uc/biRfhxzd6sRz+brcdf+iAPa+sSCY3jJS/00rnpSkL73LB S+7wYLDopWY46T2E1FT+XQ6lnqNIuOOlIMgtttw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw8gcu2B2blYPSne92/fGSKZvUYJ8wMHbgVvp0k/TQiwpy914wX9pWKnR7Z95CjWF0hNYTi5VxGx0RGd0laLrg= X-Received: by 2002:adf:ec49:: with SMTP id w9mr5896153wrn.303.1562866183260; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:29:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <02e0216d-7745-1757-3b8c-ddc295aebe2d@nomountain.net> In-Reply-To: From: Jon Crowcroft Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:29:30 +0200 Message-ID: To: Dino Farinacci Cc: Thomas Hardjono , "shigeya@wide.ad.jp" , "melinda.shore@nomountain.net" , "din@irtf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 17:29:49 -0000 oh i guess we'd like to know the read/write rate for transactions on a given DLT for a given consensus algorithms - this may have a gating function for whether someone can use it to implement a cryptocurrency, but that's their call - distributed ledger (e.g. immutable logs) are definitely useful things and having some open interworking ones is obviously handy.... libra? i thought that was a stable coin non crypto, non dlt, centralised mint/check, paypal replacement from some social media company that needs to compete with wechat:-)? would love to see an open spec for it... On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 7:22 PM Dino Farinacci wrote: > > Agree, lets give crypto a good network to run over. Let=E2=80=99s make tr= ansactions fast, lets make the network efficient and accessiable through NA= Ts on devices and cloud apps. And of course standardize a blockchain protoc= ol so exchanges don=E2=80=99t have to be on n different blockchains just to= service wallets. > > This reminds me of the IP versus AppleTalk versus IPX versus Apollo Domai= n versus Chaosnet versus OSI versus . . . > > Having said that, can we can somone from the Libra Association to talk ab= out Libra? > > Dino > > > On Jul 11, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Jon Crowcroft = wrote: > > > > those sound like the right aspects of dlt to address - i'd leave the > > "finance" part of fintech out > > or we'll get into endless debates about fiat and stable etc etc which > > belong elsewhere... > > > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 3:22 PM Thomas Hardjono wrot= e: > >> > >> > >> Actually, the IETF has a crucial role in the future of cryptocurrency = and DLTs in the general: > >> > >> -- Interoperability of systems has been a major concern (creed) of the= IETF since its beginning in the late 1980s. (Blockchain systems badly need= interoperability, IMHO). > >> > >> -- Various ciphers are standardized in the IETF. > >> > >> -- Upcoming ciphers and cryptosystems are discussed in the CFRG. > >> > >> -- PKI standards was developed in the PKIX WG in the IETF. > >> > >> > >> --- thomas --- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> | Thomas Hardjono > >> | MIT Connection Science > >> | http://connection.mit.edu > >> | http://trust.mit.edu > >> | > >> | e: hardjono[at]mit.edu > >> | http://hardjono.mit.edu > >> > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: Din [din-bounces@irtf.org] on behalf of Melinda Shore [melinda.s= hore@nomountain.net] > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 7:55 PM > >> To: din@irtf.org > >> Subject: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology > >> > >> Mr Shigeya Suzuki of Keio University has asked for a side > >> meeting on distributed ledger-based financial technology, which > >> will be held on Thursday morning at 10am in the Coller Room. > >> It seems likely that the room may not be large enough, and > >> I will try to find a larger space. > >> > >> He asked that I share the session description: > >> > >> CFP: IETF=E2=80=99s relationship to the future of distributed ledger t= echnology > >> > >> As several people mentioned in the past, it seems valuable > >> to introduce the way we have developed/are developing the > >> Internet technology, followed by working on the governance > >> of the Internet, to experts who need to discuss the future > >> of some new influential global technologies, such as > >> distributed ledger technology (DLT). IETF and other > >> technical communities should discuss openly to develop open > >> standards. For the deployment of the technology, also > >> important is to discuss multiple stakeholders from the point > >> of view of the social impact of the technology. > >> > >> Keio University, Georgetown University, and Japanese > >> Financial Services Agency have been discussing in the past > >> several months on how the experiences of the Internet > >> technology and its governance on the deployment, to find a > >> competent and reasonable way to developing and using DLT. > >> > >> As a part of the dialogue, the team mentioned above made > >> little progress at the G20 finance ministers and central > >> bank governors meeting in Fukuoka [1], to make financial > >> regulators understand to establish a multi-stakeholder > >> community in the DLT ecosystem is crucial. Please be > >> surprised by reading the script of the speech of > >> introduction of the panel discussion [4] held as the > >> official G20 seminar in Fukuoka [2], moderated by Prof. Jun > >> Murai, with Dr. Adam Back as one of the panelists. > >> > >> IETF community might feel distant from this topic; however, > >> if DLT will be part of the basis of a future platform on the > >> Internet, the IETF community might be responsible for the > >> technology. Moreover, the tight relationship with > >> crypto-assets in the context of application-level deployment > >> means that we should discuss DLT with stakeholders, > >> including regulatory agencies and financial institutions. > >> > >> Our team succeeded in convincing regulators that > >> conversation is crucial. We need to be part of the > >> conversation. > >> > >> The purpose of this meeting is to inform what is happening, > >> then starting a dialogue on the topic. We also want to find > >> some motivated souls to work on this effort together. > >> > >> Please come to the meeting. > >> > >> [1] G20 Finance Ministers and Central bank governors meeting > >> https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/ > >> > >> [2] G20 SEMINAR, G20 HIGH-LEVEL SEMINAR ON FINANCIAL INNOVATION, =E2= =80=9COUR > >> FUTURE IN THE DIGITAL AGE > >> https://www.g20fukuoka2019.mof.go.jp/en/meetings/20190608_1.html > >> > >> [3] Opening Remarks: Taro Aso, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of > >> Finance, and Minister of State for Financial Services > >> https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/01.pdf > >> > >> [4] Introductory remarks, Toshihide Endo, Commissioner, Japan Financia= l > >> Services Agency > >> https://www.fsa.go.jp/common/conference/danwa/20190608/05.pdf > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Din mailing list > >> Din@irtf.org > >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Din mailing list > > Din@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > From nobody Thu Jul 11 11:07:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5321200EC for ; 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Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.234.86.18] ([73.93.155.26]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b29sm11951703pfr.159.2019.07.11.11.07.27 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Dino Farinacci In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:07:27 -0700 Cc: Thomas Hardjono , "shigeya@wide.ad.jp" , "melinda.shore@nomountain.net" , "din@irtf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <02e0216d-7745-1757-3b8c-ddc295aebe2d@nomountain.net> To: Jon Crowcroft X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 18:07:31 -0000 > oh i guess we'd like to know the read/write rate for transactions on a > given DLT for a given consensus algorithms - this may have a gating > function for whether someone can use it to implement a cryptocurrency, > but that's their call - distributed ledger (e.g. immutable logs) are > definitely useful things and having some open interworking ones is > obviously handy=E2=80=A6. Agree. > libra? i thought that was a stable coin non crypto, non dlt, Its a stablecoin crypto-currency for payments. Has huge support from big = names and tons of captial. And it uses a newer designed blockchain = protocol. Taking ideas from other efforts. > centralised mint/check, paypal replacement from some social media > company that needs to compete with wechat:-)? would love to see an > open spec for it=E2=80=A6 Here you go. Its a white-paper, maybe not our idea of a spec. ;-) https://developers.libra.org/docs/assets/papers/the-libra-blockchain.pdf Dino From nobody Thu Jul 11 11:26:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CF61200D7 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:26:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SCOgYTo5qa7A for ; Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing-exchange-7.mit.edu (outgoing-exchange-7.mit.edu [18.9.28.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher 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The side meeting will now be held on Wednesday, July 24 at approximately 11am in the Van Horne Room. Thanks, Melinda --=20 Melinda Shore melinda.shore@nomountain.net Software longa, hardware brevis --Xx6NWceA8SugB2vmL6IIc4yhwMM6gO9vn-- --1AVvin5CANkvsAgX5UYm0Qs1K57UBg8ix Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEET2gtkyoXlvgg8jTA37iRcpp2248FAl0r3oEACgkQ37iRcpp2 248wnhAAmkAN02qx+lzj/fVj5RuhEoMfeyGALcsA5GlYHSZBn3tL7pSx0YIeU/GX nOo5v9LmuFsWdmtd2HPqrRBXgK03yr8VLDF5t1nxFlpCAp6zBb9HMObamSb7eL3M jI8kP8tqjltGVKHz3qQZdfy+EgLvGKKGM4SZzGJPfbaefxuP3Sm+j2OOR7s7Q5AK azGxAcaTdzt+MMBnYDOvTbPXv/w0H876PqE+/dRVIZQgVWWGgIp/bXlQlEPY+xy3 XqWBYu//rRCBzezP+ClDxoecO8RnAChGZopVKW1IF5fbGR74tlOwMceHlJTL84sk vIdpWrdF/Ai4I2Ep45zNOqhEDg+qZd2ulLZqNsL/zsr6NUMeIGDogQCKtWd+mDUr 4d1r4ofALTXdkZJwyRiBaahrP0sljcbFWL9JoE7EXp9qLEkqr1KvPdFhbKgpflMr 4OMgyiKpZiPGYVqehd51Nx479Tm5mpo1aUPhighn1226NJI5duRneHHn5j7sCsDl GIXkcxJj+n90ieke5Vmpp/a17fOd5cmqnfaJMpEtPd8GzkaiNgigefyqTZeqexfD 4dpiEcP/El7sUTeWB394SIjj41yK5fAEOar8TZBzApKcyK6t/2OhkHWxOAx5+3nW r63sxgMiwkEgilj6Qp96CMSAr6WdPIqc4gDecAOL3xvFz3PsWR8= =8Rls -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1AVvin5CANkvsAgX5UYm0Qs1K57UBg8ix-- From nobody Mon Jul 22 08:17:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B717E120280 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:17:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K1ikdQ_OsSx3 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from softronics.hoeneisen.ch (softronics.hoeneisen.ch [62.2.86.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC9DE1201D3 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by softronics.hoeneisen.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hpa3q-0001FF-43 for din@irtf.org; Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:17:10 +0200 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:17:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@softronics.hoeneisen.ch To: din@irtf.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <01eb4d14-822c-3806-9989-8788364c5d14@pep.foundation> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="37663318-584532059-1563808630=:2515" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: bernie@ietf.hoeneisen.ch X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on softronics.hoeneisen.ch); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: [Din] FYI: [Medup] MEDUP meeting @ IETF-105 in room C2 (21st floor), Wed 14:50-16:50 EDT X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:17:15 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --37663318-584532059-1563808630=:2515 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Dear DIN RG participants Please be informed about the MEDUP non-WG meeting during IETF-105 on Wed 14:50-16:50 EDT. Parts of MEDUP are also dicussed in DIN. Melinda will give us a short presentation that includes the later aspect. You can find the details below. cheers Bernie > On Mon, 22 Jul 2019, Hernâni Marques (p≡p foundation) wrote: > >> Dear folks >> >> >> Following our meeting @ IETF-104 in Prague [1][2], we will have our >> second non-WG meeting @ IETF-105 in Montreal, taking place this >> Wednesday (July 24th) from 14:50-16:50 EDT in room C2 (21st floor). >> >> To know how many people to expect, it would be nice you could sign up >> here (with some name): >> >> https://du7f.koalatux.ch/SrtXRHemfNY-xM3k-QWGKA >> >> Please note that this time we will also provide a Jitsi/WebRTC remote >> participation channel (by best effort): >> >> https://meet.digitale-gesellschaft.ch/medup >> >> The current agenda is here: >> >> >> https://pep.foundation/dev/repos/internet-drafts/file/tip/medup/ietf-105/agenda.txt >> >> In that respect, if you want to present an approach / a missing piece in >> scope of MEDUP or suggest other changes to the agenda, please reach out! >> >> >> Cu soon & thanks! >> >> Greets >> >> Hernani >> >> >> [1] Minutes from IETF-104: >> >> https://pep.foundation/dev/repos/internet-drafts/file/tip/medup/ietf-104/notes-ietf-104-medup-00.txt >> [2] Meeting materials and video podcast: >> https://pep.foundation/docs/ietf/104/medup/ >> >> -- >> p≡p foundation: https://pep.foundation/ > --37663318-584532059-1563808630=:2515-- From nobody Mon Jul 22 12:40:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC1B1202EE for ; 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Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:40:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.6-736-gdfb8e44-fmstable-20190718v2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <82b96b0b-05b0-4f50-9d2b-d2d5d61ca2b5@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 04:40:08 +0900 From: "Shigeya Suzuki" To: "din@irtf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=d75bf9e671714582abdeeb0999544574 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:40:27 -0000 --d75bf9e671714582abdeeb0999544574 Content-Type: text/plain Hi, I expect the agenda of the side-meeting will be like this: # Agenda of the Side meeting on financial technology - Introduction on the topic, including a report on G20 Fukuoka (shigeya - up to 15min) - Q&A + Discussions (25min) - Wrap-up and future directions (5min) If time allows I'd like to spend time on Q&A and Discussions. I'll try to present the introductory part in a concise manner. shigeya PS. I'm arriving on Tuesday evening. If anybody wants to talk with me before the side meeting, drop me an email. No guarantee, but I'll try. First time for me to not attending Monday sessions :< On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, at 11:01, Melinda Shore wrote: > Hi, all: > > It looks like the dinrg agenda in Montreal will be a little > light, plus there are more people indicating interest in the > fintech side meeting than will fit in the room that's available, > so we're going to have the side meeting immediately following > a shortened dinrg session. The side meeting will now be held > on Wednesday, July 24 at approximately 11am in the Van Horne > Room. > > Thanks, > > Melinda > > -- > Melinda Shore > melinda.shore@nomountain.net > > Software longa, hardware brevis > > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > > > *Attachments:* > * signature.asc --d75bf9e671714582abdeeb0999544574 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, <= br>

I expect the agenda of the side-meeting wil= l be like this:

# Agenda of the Side meetin= g on financial technology
- Introduction on the topic, inc= luding a report on G20 Fukuoka (shigeya - up to 15min)
- Q= &A + Discussions (25min)
- Wrap-up and future dir= ections (5min)

If time allows I'd like to s= pend time on Q&A and Discussions. 
I'll try to pr= esent the introductory part in a concise manner.

sh= igeya

PS. I'm arriving on Tuesday eve= ning. If anybody wants to talk with me before the side meeting, drop me = an email.
No guarantee, but I'll try.

<= /div>
First time for me to not = attending Monday sessions :<


On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, at 11:01, Melinda Shore wrote:
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Hi, all:
It looks like the dinrg agenda in Montreal will be a little=
light, plus there are more people indicating interest in = the
fintech side meeting than will fit in the room that's = available,
so we're going to have the side meeting immedia= tely following
a shortened dinrg session.  The side m= eeting will now be held
on Wednesday, July 24 at approxima= tely 11am in the Van Horne
Room.

<= div>Thanks,

Melinda

-- 
Melinda Shore
melinda.shore@n= omountain.net

Software longa, hardware brev= is


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--d75bf9e671714582abdeeb0999544574-- From nobody Tue Jul 23 11:29:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12A51207D9 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:29:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KFTYqMp3xRqf for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.pibit.ch (dragon.pibit.ch [94.231.81.244]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC8B11207D6 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.pibit.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D166171C067; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:29:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dragon.pibit.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dragon.pibit.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NLhs6Iqri0uV; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:29:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.43.65] (unknown [67.69.76.115]) by dragon.pibit.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C4318171C036; Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:29:30 +0200 (CEST) To: din@irtf.org, Melinda Shore References: From: =?UTF-8?B?SGVybsOibmkgTWFycXVlcyAocOKJoXAgZm91bmRhdGlvbik=?= Openpgp: id=31733E0C598D3A1CF70955D6CB5738652768F7E9 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:29:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kkDlYi2MVQL3gBxsSaSzZahRSw0VoK3wX" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:29:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --kkDlYi2MVQL3gBxsSaSzZahRSw0VoK3wX Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="bm9Es5dvMZcjJQXNziUPxmeq2AzvCEHCz"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?B?SGVybsOibmkgTWFycXVlcyAocOKJoXAgZm91bmRhdGlvbik=?= To: din@irtf.org, Melinda Shore Message-ID: Subject: Re: Side meeting on financial technology References: In-Reply-To: --bm9Es5dvMZcjJQXNziUPxmeq2AzvCEHCz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------A7BF25CC81B4ECB4E43772C9" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A7BF25CC81B4ECB4E43772C9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15.07.19 04:01, Melinda Shore wrote: > Hi, all: Hello Melinda > It looks like the dinrg agenda in Montreal will be a little > light, plus there are more people indicating interest in the > fintech side meeting than will fit in the room that's available, > so we're going to have the side meeting immediately following > a shortened dinrg session. The side meeting will now be held > on Wednesday, July 24 at approximately 11am in the Van Horne > Room. I know of non-present people who are interested in this: will there be a way for remote participation? --=20 p=E2=89=A1p foundation: https://pep.foundation/ --------------A7BF25CC81B4ECB4E43772C9 Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name="0xCB5738652768F7E9.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0xCB5738652768F7E9.asc" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQINBFWozlEBEADAIFgjylzzPH7JKRJPbiEGoSsrSaCrbWLdy4sNGD4fS7GsuZ9f o/E9iYzC7WwGhN8rB4jsLv/ZfGVbAsmpypvZdReVs/BPidR8Vo1WMOK3lww1L6j8 7UV7TwUzG72u0zMXCUWMtX3+7kWZVlohXPCzDe7xyLu5tdfPWIAxDrI3h/+a4qAR ySVo8RwzILDwjbLF8at0w52oTRIWcr9CAus8ktRKBhc3MiUsSXHGgZLujUsXKAYg Vmh53uEVsjigeHZh6XPrzQPTnQ/VDcqNSRl4n+fQ2e/sZV7CQttcqb9zfj8P6Lyk jG3pe1AUSm9A0o75bi8PUluPWyH0wdt4D29xabFFyBANyYqKiLyZvnBqGSkqswnW 00QoYtMaEBh7nyuoUCa0bTMCRn8NaXRCnuINx+E2llqJqeQ0sMJ5WSQe4RbkWRsF PJOdiouLyHEZUpyQlMFesu/mN565eZsw3a7u9hxnoFgX0tF0hoONMRSAU1y3aZeb a+DvwXDQcSaHmBARQ2v8qWdql16Zhvf7KFo5Cris9jNknInzs2L6pHVZN8AY2ESO 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Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:36:05 -0000 --0000000000005fe32f058e5d7609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Because they=E2=80=99re using the last half of the dinrg meeting slot, the = dinrg Meetecho session should, in theory, work. Melinda On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:29 PM Hern=C3=A2ni Marques (p=E2=89=A1p foundatio= n) wrote: > On 15.07.19 04:01, Melinda Shore wrote: > > > Hi, all: > > Hello Melinda > > > It looks like the dinrg agenda in Montreal will be a little > > light, plus there are more people indicating interest in the > > fintech side meeting than will fit in the room that's available, > > so we're going to have the side meeting immediately following > > a shortened dinrg session. The side meeting will now be held > > on Wednesday, July 24 at approximately 11am in the Van Horne > > Room. > > I know of non-present people who are interested in this: will there be a > way for remote participation? > > -- > p=E2=89=A1p foundation: https://pep.foundation/ > --=20 Melinda Shore No Mountain Software "Software longa hardware brevis" --0000000000005fe32f058e5d7609 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Because they=E2=80=99re using the last half of the d= inrg meeting slot, the dinrg Meetecho session should, in theory, work.=C2= =A0

Melinda
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On= Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:29 PM Hern=C3=A2ni Marques (p=E2=89=A1p foundation)= <hernani.marques@pep.foundation> wrote:
On 15.07.19 04:01, Melinda Shore wrote:

> Hi, all:

Hello Melinda

> It looks like the dinrg agenda in Montreal will be a little
> light, plus there are more people indicating interest in the
> fintech side meeting than will fit in the room that's available, > so we're going to have the side meeting immediately following
> a shortened dinrg session.=C2=A0 The side meeting will now be held
> on Wednesday, July 24 at approximately 11am in the Van Horne
> Room.

I know of non-present people who are interested in this: will there be a way for remote participation?

--
p=E2=89=A1p foundation: https://pep.foundation/
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Melinda Shore
No Mountain Software
"Software longa hardware brevis"<= /div>
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Wed, 24 Jul 2019 08:48:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.6-736-gdfb8e44-fmstable-20190718v2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <5f3c24a0-671b-45c4-8397-b41379d2013c@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1563971998226.83334@mit.edu> References: <1563971998226.83334@mit.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 08:48:47 -0400 From: "Shigeya Suzuki" To: "Thomas Hardjono" , "Melinda Shore" , =?UTF-8?Q?Hern=C3=A2ni_Marques_=28p=E2=89=A1p_foundation=29?= Cc: "din@irtf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0a48255a6edd4710aeb91b0bf0dfee37 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 12:49:01 -0000 --0a48255a6edd4710aeb91b0bf0dfee37 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thomas, I'm leading the side-meeting part. This meeting is not about talking on a DLT specific technology like inte= roperability. Sorry for the confusion, but why not talk about that in DIN-RG meeting? shigeya On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 08:40, Thomas Hardjono wrote: > Melinda, >=20 > If there is time available, I can talk/present about blockchain intero= perability -- which is kind of important for future financial ecosystem.= >=20 > I can also talk about our Open Music project, which is exploring how t= o use smart contracts & BC to simplify the musical works contracts suppl= y-chain and tokenizing musical works as assets. >=20 > Best >=20 > -- thomas --- >=20 >=20 > | Thomas Hardjono > | MIT Connection Science > | http://connection.mit.edu > | http://trust.mit.edu > | > | e: hardjono[at]mit.edu > | http://hardjono.mit.edu >=20 >=20 > *From:* Din on behalf of Melinda Shore > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2019 2:35 PM > *To:* Hern=C3=A2ni Marques (p=E2=89=A1p foundation) > *Cc:* din@irtf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology=20 >=20 > Because they=E2=80=99re using the last half of the dinrg meeting slot,= the dinrg Meetecho session should, in theory, work.=20 >=20 > Melinda >=20 > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:29 PM Hern=C3=A2ni Marques (p=E2=89=A1p foun= dation) wrote: >> On 15.07.19 04:01, Melinda Shore wrote: >>=20 >> > Hi, all: >>=20 >> Hello Melinda >>=20 >> > It looks like the dinrg agenda in Montreal will be a little >> > light, plus there are more people indicating interest in the >> > fintech side meeting than will fit in the room that's available, >> > so we're going to have the side meeting immediately following >> > a shortened dinrg session. The side meeting will now be held >> > on Wednesday, July 24 at approximately 11am in the Van Horne >> > Room. >>=20 >> I know of non-present people who are interested in this: will there = be a >> way for remote participation? >>=20 >> --=20 >> p=E2=89=A1p foundation: https://pep.foundation/ > -- >=20 > Melinda Shore > No Mountain Software > "Software longa hardware brevis" > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din >=20 --0a48255a6edd4710aeb91b0bf0dfee37 Content-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Thomas,=

I'm leading the side-meeting part.

This meeting is not about talking on a DLT specific te= chnology like interoperability.
Sorry for the confusion, but why not talk about that in DIN-R= G meeting?

shigeya

On Wed, Ju= l 24, 2019, at 08:40, Thomas Hardjono wrote:

Melinda,


If there is time avail= able, I can talk/present about blockchain interoperability -- which is k= ind of important for future financial ecosystem.


=

I can also talk about our Open Music project, which is exploring how = to use smart contracts & BC to simplify the musical works contracts = supply-chain and tokenizing musical works as assets.


<= p>Best


-- thomas ---



 |   Thomas Hardj= ono
 |   MIT Connection Science
<= div>  |   http://connection.mit.edu
 = |   http://trust.mit.edu
 |
=  |   e: hardjono[at]mit.edu
 | =   http://hardjono.mit.edu


From: Din &= lt;din-bounces@irtf.org> on behalf of Melinda Shore <melinda.shore= @nomountain.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 2:35 PM
= To: Hern=C3=A2ni Marques (p=E2=89=A1p foundation)
Cc: = din@irtf.org
Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial tec= hnology
 
Because they=E2=80=99re using the last half of the dinrg meet= ing slot, the dinrg Meetecho session should, in theory, work. 
<= /div>

Melinda

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:29 PM Hern=C3=A2ni Marque= s (p=E2=89=A1p foundation) <hernani.marques@pep.foundation> wrote:=
On 15.07.19 04:01, Melinda Shore wrote:
> Hi, all:

Hello Melinda=

> It looks like the dinrg agenda in M= ontreal will be a little
> light, plus there are more = people indicating interest in the
> fintech side meeti= ng than will fit in the room that's available,
> so we= 're going to have the side meeting immediately following
= > a shortened dinrg session.  The side meeting will now be held<= br>
> on Wednesday, July 24 at approximately 11am in the V= an Horne
> Room.

I know= of non-present people who are interested in this: will there be a
way for remote participation?

-= -
p=E2=89=A1p foundation: https://pep.foundation/
--

Melinda Shore
No Mountain Software
"Software longa hardware brevis"
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Din mailing list
Din@irtf.org
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charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/24/19 8:39 AM, Thomas Hardjono wrote: > If there is time available, I can talk/present about blockchain > interoperability -- which is kind of important for future=C2=A0financia= l > ecosystem. > I can also talk about our Open Music project, which is exploring how to= > use smart contracts & BC to simplify the musical works contracts > supply-chain and tokenizing musical works as assets. Thanks, Thomas - these sound like excellent topics, but this is Shigeya's meeting and his agenda, so he'd be the person to ask. The other thing is that I suspect there may be a disjunction between the topic of this side meeting and some of the expectations of the participants, but given the level of interest it may be appropriate to talk about a future side meeting or BOF dealing directly with the question of work that might be appropriate to the IETF. 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MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.6-736-gdfb8e44-fmstable-20190718v2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <5bd860df-509f-459a-9f1e-f03ce8d23094@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <82b96b0b-05b0-4f50-9d2b-d2d5d61ca2b5@www.fastmail.com> References: <82b96b0b-05b0-4f50-9d2b-d2d5d61ca2b5@www.fastmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 10:15:11 -0400 From: "Shigeya Suzuki" To: din@irtf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=323f3450530d485591ef734e85406e29 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Side meeting on financial technology X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:15:17 -0000 --323f3450530d485591ef734e85406e29 Content-Type: text/plain Hi, The slide I used at the side-meeting is available here: http://kbcl.sfc.keio.ac.jp/events/ietf105_side_meeting/ietf105-dinrg-side.pdf Forgot to mention that, we will have a meeting on this topic co-located with ScalingBitcoin 2019 this fall. Decentralized Financial Architecture Workshop September 8th, 2019 Tel Aviv University, Israel https://dfa2019.bitcoinedge.org Also, I have some urgent work and staying in my hotel to work on it. Thus you can't find at the IETF venue most of the time :< If you want to talk to me on this topic, please drop me an email. I can come to the venue. (I probably attend cfrg this afternoon) shigeya On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, at 15:40, Shigeya Suzuki wrote: > Hi, > > I expect the agenda of the side-meeting will be like this: > > # Agenda of the Side meeting on financial technology > - Introduction on the topic, including a report on G20 Fukuoka (shigeya - up to 15min) > - Q&A + Discussions (25min) > - Wrap-up and future directions (5min) > > If time allows I'd like to spend time on Q&A and Discussions. > I'll try to present the introductory part in a concise manner. > > shigeya > > PS. I'm arriving on Tuesday evening. If anybody wants to talk with me before the side meeting, drop me an email. > No guarantee, but I'll try. > > First time for me to not attending Monday sessions :< > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, at 11:01, Melinda Shore wrote: >> Hi, all: >> >> It looks like the dinrg agenda in Montreal will be a little >> light, plus there are more people indicating interest in the >> fintech side meeting than will fit in the room that's available, >> so we're going to have the side meeting immediately following >> a shortened dinrg session. The side meeting will now be held >> on Wednesday, July 24 at approximately 11am in the Van Horne >> Room. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Melinda >> >> -- >> Melinda Shore >> melinda.shore@nomountain.net >> >> Software longa, hardware brevis >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Din mailing list >> Din@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din >> >> >> *Attachments:* >> * signature.asc > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > --323f3450530d485591ef734e85406e29 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

The slide I used at the side-meeting is available= here:

http://kbcl.sfc.ke= io.ac.jp/events/ietf105_side_meeting/ietf105-dinrg-side.pdf

Forgot to mention that, we will have a meeting on t= his topic co-located with ScalingBitcoin 2019 this fall.
<= br>

Decentralized Financial Architecture Worksh= op
September 8th, 2019
Tel Aviv University, = Israel


Also, I have some urgent work and staying in my hotel to work on it. Th= us you can't find at the IETF venue most of the time :<  If you = want to talk to me on this topic, please drop me an email. I can come to= the venue.
(I probably attend cfrg this afternoon)
<= div>
shigeya


O= n Mon, Jul 22, 2019, at 15:40, Shigeya Suzuki wrote:
Hi, 

I = expect the agenda of the side-meeting will be like this:
<= br>
# Agenda of the Side meeting on financial technology
- Introduction on the topic, including a report on G20 Fukuoka = (shigeya - up to 15min)
- Q&A + Discussions (25min)
- Wrap-up and future directions (5min)
If time allows I'd like to spend time on Q&A and Discus= sions. 
I'll try to present the introductory part in = a concise manner.

shigeya
<= div>
PS. I'm arriving on Tuesday evening. If anybody wants= to talk with me before the side meeting, drop me an email.
No guarantee, but I'll try.

First time for me to not attending M= onday sessions :<


=
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, at 11:01, Melinda Shore wrote:
Hi, all:

=
It looks like the dinrg agenda in Montreal will be a little
light, plus there are more people indicating interest in the
<= /div>
fintech side meeting than will fit in the room that's availabl= e,
so we're going to have the side meeting immediately fol= lowing
a shortened dinrg session.  The side meeting w= ill now be held
on Wednesday, July 24 at approximately 11a= m in the Van Horne
Room.

Than= ks,

Melinda

--=  
Melinda Shore
melinda.shore@nomountai= n.net

Software longa, hardware brevis


_________________________________= ______________
Din mailing list
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https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din
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