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Dear all,

May I move that we start the GeoJSON WG using the charter below?

(Also forwarded to the geopriv list and to the original, not-IETF, geosjon
list)

Proposed GeoJSON WG Charter
===========================

GeoJSON
-------

GeoJSON is a format for encoding data about geographic features using
JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) [RFC7159]. Geographic features need
not be physical things; any thing with properties that are bounded in
space may be considered a feature. GeoJSON provides a means of
representing both the properties and spatial extent of features.

The GeoJSON format specification was published at http://geojson.org in
2008. GeoJSON today plays an important and growing role in many spatial
databases, web APIs, and open data platforms. Consequently the
implementers increasingly demand formal standardization, improvements in
the specification, guidance on extensibility, and the means to utilize
larger GeoJSON datasets.

This WG will work on a GeoJSON Format RFC that specifies the format more
precisely, serves as a better guide for implementers, and improves
extensibility of the format. The work will start from an Internet-Draft
written by the original GeoJSON authors: draft-butler-geojson [1].

This WG will work on GeoJSON mappings of 'geo' URIs, reinforcing the use
of RFC 5870.

This WG will work on a format for a streamable sequence of GeoJSON texts
based on RFC 7464 to address the difficulties in serializing very large
sequences of features or feature sequences of indeterminate length.

GeoJSON objects represent geographic features only and do not specify
associations between geographic features and particular devices, users,
or facilities. Any association with a particular device, user, or
facility requires another protocol. As such, a GeoJSON object does not
fit the "Location Information" definition according to Section 5.2 of
RFC 3693, because there is not necessarily a "Device" involved. Because
there is also no way to specify the identity of a "Target" within the
confines of a GeoJSON object, it also does not fit the specification of
a "Location Object" (Section 5.2 of RFC 3693, Section 3.2 of RFC 6280).
When a GeoJSON object is used in a context where it identifies the
location of a Target, it becomes subject to the architectural, security,
and privacy considerations in RFC 6280. The application of those
considerations is specific to protocols that make use of GeoJSON objects
and is out of scope for the GeoJSON WG.

Deliverables:

* A GeoJSON format specification document including mappings of 'geo'
  URIs
* A document describing a format for a streamable sequence of GeoJSON
  texts

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-butler-geojson



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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Dear all,<br><br></div><div>May I move that we start =
the GeoJSON WG using the charter below?<br><br>(Also forwarded to the geopr=
iv list and to the original, not-IETF, geosjon list)<br><br></div>Proposed =
GeoJSON WG Charter<br><div><div>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br><br>GeoJSON<br>-------<br><br>Ge=
oJSON is a format for encoding data about geographic features using<br>Java=
Script Object Notation (JSON) [RFC7159]. Geographic features need<br>not be=
 physical things; any thing with properties that are bounded in<br>space ma=
y be considered a feature. GeoJSON provides a means of<br>representing both=
 the properties and spatial extent of features.<br><br>The GeoJSON format s=
pecification was published at <a href=3D"http://geojson.org">http://geojson=
.org</a> in<br>2008. GeoJSON today plays an important and growing role in m=
any spatial<br>databases, web APIs, and open data platforms. Consequently t=
he<br>implementers increasingly demand formal standardization, improvements=
 in<br>the specification, guidance on extensibility, and the means to utili=
ze<br>larger GeoJSON datasets.<br><br>This WG will work on a GeoJSON Format=
 RFC that specifies the format more<br>precisely, serves as a better guide =
for implementers, and improves<br>extensibility of the format. The work wil=
l start from an Internet-Draft<br>written by the original GeoJSON authors: =
draft-butler-geojson [1].<br><br>This WG will work on GeoJSON mappings of &=
#39;geo&#39; URIs, reinforcing the use<br>of RFC 5870.<br><br>This WG will =
work on a format for a streamable sequence of GeoJSON texts<br>based on RFC=
 7464 to address the difficulties in serializing very large<br>sequences of=
 features or feature sequences of indeterminate length.<br><br>GeoJSON obje=
cts represent geographic features only and do not specify<br>associations b=
etween geographic features and particular devices, users,<br>or facilities.=
 Any association with a particular device, user, or<br>facility requires an=
other protocol. As such, a GeoJSON object does not<br>fit the &quot;Locatio=
n Information&quot; definition according to Section 5.2 of<br>RFC 3693, bec=
ause there is not necessarily a &quot;Device&quot; involved. Because<br>the=
re is also no way to specify the identity of a &quot;Target&quot; within th=
e<br>confines of a GeoJSON object, it also does not fit the specification o=
f<br>a &quot;Location Object&quot; (Section 5.2 of RFC 3693, Section 3.2 of=
 RFC 6280).<br>When a GeoJSON object is used in a context where it identifi=
es the<br>location of a Target, it becomes subject to the architectural, se=
curity,<br>and privacy considerations in RFC 6280. The application of those=
<br>considerations is specific to protocols that make use of GeoJSON object=
s<br>and is out of scope for the GeoJSON WG.<br><br>Deliverables:<br><br>* =
A GeoJSON format specification document including mappings of &#39;geo&#39;=
<br>=C2=A0 URIs<br>* A document describing a format for a streamable sequen=
ce of GeoJSON<br>=C2=A0 texts<br><br>[1] <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/=
html/draft-butler-geojson">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-butler-geojson=
</a><br><br><br><br>--<br>Sean Gillies</div></div></div>

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Hi All,

I have gone through the note of the dispatch meeting for this draft as =
well as relying only my memory for what was discussed and I am at a bit =
of a loss as to how to update this draft in a way so that it can =
proceed.

I totally agree with Keith=E2=80=99s assessment about the relevancy of =
the privacy issue raised by Cullen.

Keith is right, in that the current primary intended use is not =
=E2=80=9Cinside=E2=80=9D and IMS network, though I believe that the =
nodes employing this mechanism will have strong relationships with IMS =
nodes, most likely an E-CSCF or something resembling one.

Paul is also right. While IMS is not the chief customer, it is likely to =
be one of the downstream recipients and as such it does rely on strong =
trust relationships. So to this end a tie to RFC3325 is probably =
warranted.

Would it be reasonable then to:
Add a tie in to RFC3325 with regards to trust
Explicitly say that the loc-src needs to be a fully qualified host name =
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class=3D"">Hi All,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
have gone through the note of the dispatch meeting for this draft as =
well as relying only my memory for what was discussed and I am at a bit =
of a loss as to how to update this draft in a way so that it can =
proceed.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I =
totally agree with Keith=E2=80=99s assessment about the relevancy of the =
privacy issue raised by Cullen.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Keith is right, in that the current =
primary intended use is not =E2=80=9Cinside=E2=80=9D and IMS network, =
though I believe that the nodes employing this mechanism will have =
strong relationships with IMS nodes, most likely an E-CSCF or something =
resembling one.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Paul is also right. While IMS is not the chief customer, it =
is likely to be one of the downstream recipients and as such it does =
rely on strong trust relationships. So to this end a tie to RFC3325 is =
probably warranted.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Would it be reasonable then to:</div><div class=3D""><ol =
class=3D"MailOutline"><li class=3D"">Add a tie in to RFC3325 with =
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class=3D"">These seem to be be the two main points I took away. If this =
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On 8/9/15 4:41 AM, James Winterbottom wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have gone through the note of the dispatch meeting for this draft as
> well as relying only my memory for what was discussed and I am at a bit
> of a loss as to how to update this draft in a way so that it can proceed.
>
> I totally agree with Keith’s assessment about the relevancy of the
> privacy issue raised by Cullen.
>
> Keith is right, in that the current primary intended use is not “inside”
> and IMS network, though I believe that the nodes employing this
> mechanism will have strong relationships with IMS nodes, most likely an
> E-CSCF or something resembling one.
>
> Paul is also right. While IMS is not the chief customer, it is likely to
> be one of the downstream recipients and as such it does rely on strong
> trust relationships. So to this end a tie to RFC3325 is probably warranted.
>
> Would it be reasonable then to:
>
>  1. Add a tie in to RFC3325 with regards to trust

This would make me happy. Without an explanation of the expectations of 
the trust relationship the contents of this header field are meaningless.

	Thanks,
	Paul

>  2. Explicitly say that the loc-src needs to be a fully qualified host
>     name and that IP address must not be used?
>
>
> These seem to be be the two main points I took away. If this were done
> could we do a list-based dispatch for this draft?
>
> Cheers
> James
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dispatch mailing list
> dispatch@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch
>


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Thanks Paul.


> On 10 Aug 2015, at 11:22 pm, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> =
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> On 8/9/15 4:41 AM, James Winterbottom wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>=20
>> I have gone through the note of the dispatch meeting for this draft =
as
>> well as relying only my memory for what was discussed and I am at a =
bit
>> of a loss as to how to update this draft in a way so that it can =
proceed.
>>=20
>> I totally agree with Keith=92s assessment about the relevancy of the
>> privacy issue raised by Cullen.
>>=20
>> Keith is right, in that the current primary intended use is not =
=93inside=94
>> and IMS network, though I believe that the nodes employing this
>> mechanism will have strong relationships with IMS nodes, most likely =
an
>> E-CSCF or something resembling one.
>>=20
>> Paul is also right. While IMS is not the chief customer, it is likely =
to
>> be one of the downstream recipients and as such it does rely on =
strong
>> trust relationships. So to this end a tie to RFC3325 is probably =
warranted.
>>=20
>> Would it be reasonable then to:
>>=20
>> 1. Add a tie in to RFC3325 with regards to trust
>=20
> This would make me happy. Without an explanation of the expectations =
of the trust relationship the contents of this header field are =
meaningless.
>=20
> 	Thanks,
> 	Paul
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>> 2. Explicitly say that the loc-src needs to be a fully qualified host
>>    name and that IP address must not be used?
>>=20
>>=20
>> These seem to be be the two main points I took away. If this were =
done
>> could we do a list-based dispatch for this draft?
>>=20
>> Cheers
>> James
>>=20
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class=3D"">Thanks Paul.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div style=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 10 Aug 2015, at 11:22 pm, Paul Kyzivat =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu" =
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wrote:</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
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0px;" class=3D"">Hi All,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I have gone =
through the note of the dispatch meeting for this draft as<br =
class=3D"">well as relying only my memory for what was discussed and I =
am at a bit<br class=3D"">of a loss as to how to update this draft in a =
way so that it can proceed.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I totally agree =
with Keith=92s assessment about the relevancy of the<br class=3D"">privacy=
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that the current primary intended use is not =93inside=94<br =
class=3D"">and IMS network, though I believe that the nodes employing =
this<br class=3D"">mechanism will have strong relationships with IMS =
nodes, most likely an<br class=3D"">E-CSCF or something resembling =
one.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Paul is also right. While IMS is not =
the chief customer, it is likely to<br class=3D"">be one of the =
downstream recipients and as such it does rely on strong<br =
class=3D"">trust relationships. So to this end a tie to RFC3325 is =
probably warranted.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Would it be reasonable =
then to:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">1. Add a tie in to RFC3325 with =
regards to trust<br class=3D""></blockquote><br style=3D"font-family: =
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Since I ate some mic-line time at the DISPATCH meeting:

I don't object to this charter.

I reiterate that (if I understand the proposal correctly), these
could be used as part of a location object, or could become
a location object through extension.

I suggest that you  consider adding text to the charter to ask
that the group consider its extension points carefully (in general
since you note that the user community is asking for guidance on
extensibility), and not _preclude_ extensions that would allow this
to become a location object unless the group determines such
extensibility would be harmful.

RjS

On 8/7/15 4:42 PM, Sean Gillies wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> May I move that we start the GeoJSON WG using the charter below?
>
> (Also forwarded to the geopriv list and to the original, not-IETF, 
> geosjon list)
>
> Proposed GeoJSON WG Charter
> ===========================
>
> GeoJSON
> -------
>
> GeoJSON is a format for encoding data about geographic features using
> JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) [RFC7159]. Geographic features need
> not be physical things; any thing with properties that are bounded in
> space may be considered a feature. GeoJSON provides a means of
> representing both the properties and spatial extent of features.
>
> The GeoJSON format specification was published at http://geojson.org in
> 2008. GeoJSON today plays an important and growing role in many spatial
> databases, web APIs, and open data platforms. Consequently the
> implementers increasingly demand formal standardization, improvements in
> the specification, guidance on extensibility, and the means to utilize
> larger GeoJSON datasets.
>
> This WG will work on a GeoJSON Format RFC that specifies the format more
> precisely, serves as a better guide for implementers, and improves
> extensibility of the format. The work will start from an Internet-Draft
> written by the original GeoJSON authors: draft-butler-geojson [1].
>
> This WG will work on GeoJSON mappings of 'geo' URIs, reinforcing the use
> of RFC 5870.
>
> This WG will work on a format for a streamable sequence of GeoJSON texts
> based on RFC 7464 to address the difficulties in serializing very large
> sequences of features or feature sequences of indeterminate length.
>
> GeoJSON objects represent geographic features only and do not specify
> associations between geographic features and particular devices, users,
> or facilities. Any association with a particular device, user, or
> facility requires another protocol. As such, a GeoJSON object does not
> fit the "Location Information" definition according to Section 5.2 of
> RFC 3693, because there is not necessarily a "Device" involved. Because
> there is also no way to specify the identity of a "Target" within the
> confines of a GeoJSON object, it also does not fit the specification of
> a "Location Object" (Section 5.2 of RFC 3693, Section 3.2 of RFC 6280).
> When a GeoJSON object is used in a context where it identifies the
> location of a Target, it becomes subject to the architectural, security,
> and privacy considerations in RFC 6280. The application of those
> considerations is specific to protocols that make use of GeoJSON objects
> and is out of scope for the GeoJSON WG.
>
> Deliverables:
>
> * A GeoJSON format specification document including mappings of 'geo'
>   URIs
> * A document describing a format for a streamable sequence of GeoJSON
>   texts
>
> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-butler-geojson
>
>
>
> --
> Sean Gillies
>
>
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    Since I ate some mic-line time at the DISPATCH meeting:<br>
    <br>
    I don't object to this charter.<br>
    <br>
    I reiterate that (if I understand the proposal correctly), these<br>
    could be used as part of a location object, or could become<br>
    a location object through extension.<br>
    <br>
    I suggest that you  consider adding text to the charter to ask <br>
    that the group consider its extension points carefully (in general<br>
    since you note that the user community is asking for guidance on<br>
    extensibility), and not _preclude_ extensions that would allow this
    <br>
    to become a location object unless the group determines such <br>
    extensibility would be harmful. <br>
    <br>
    RjS<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/7/15 4:42 PM, Sean Gillies wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAOodmJoyxxZfXS1cAMn0LS-vrL18EDCdwODX6NA-pz+A3yVQ2g@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>Dear all,<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div>May I move that we start the GeoJSON WG using the charter
          below?<br>
          <br>
          (Also forwarded to the geopriv list and to the original,
          not-IETF, geosjon list)<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        Proposed GeoJSON WG Charter<br>
        <div>
          <div>===========================<br>
            <br>
            GeoJSON<br>
            -------<br>
            <br>
            GeoJSON is a format for encoding data about geographic
            features using<br>
            JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) [RFC7159]. Geographic
            features need<br>
            not be physical things; any thing with properties that are
            bounded in<br>
            space may be considered a feature. GeoJSON provides a means
            of<br>
            representing both the properties and spatial extent of
            features.<br>
            <br>
            The GeoJSON format specification was published at <a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://geojson.org">http://geojson.org</a>
            in<br>
            2008. GeoJSON today plays an important and growing role in
            many spatial<br>
            databases, web APIs, and open data platforms. Consequently
            the<br>
            implementers increasingly demand formal standardization,
            improvements in<br>
            the specification, guidance on extensibility, and the means
            to utilize<br>
            larger GeoJSON datasets.<br>
            <br>
            This WG will work on a GeoJSON Format RFC that specifies the
            format more<br>
            precisely, serves as a better guide for implementers, and
            improves<br>
            extensibility of the format. The work will start from an
            Internet-Draft<br>
            written by the original GeoJSON authors:
            draft-butler-geojson [1].<br>
            <br>
            This WG will work on GeoJSON mappings of 'geo' URIs,
            reinforcing the use<br>
            of RFC 5870.<br>
            <br>
            This WG will work on a format for a streamable sequence of
            GeoJSON texts<br>
            based on RFC 7464 to address the difficulties in serializing
            very large<br>
            sequences of features or feature sequences of indeterminate
            length.<br>
            <br>
            GeoJSON objects represent geographic features only and do
            not specify<br>
            associations between geographic features and particular
            devices, users,<br>
            or facilities. Any association with a particular device,
            user, or<br>
            facility requires another protocol. As such, a GeoJSON
            object does not<br>
            fit the "Location Information" definition according to
            Section 5.2 of<br>
            RFC 3693, because there is not necessarily a "Device"
            involved. Because<br>
            there is also no way to specify the identity of a "Target"
            within the<br>
            confines of a GeoJSON object, it also does not fit the
            specification of<br>
            a "Location Object" (Section 5.2 of RFC 3693, Section 3.2 of
            RFC 6280).<br>
            When a GeoJSON object is used in a context where it
            identifies the<br>
            location of a Target, it becomes subject to the
            architectural, security,<br>
            and privacy considerations in RFC 6280. The application of
            those<br>
            considerations is specific to protocols that make use of
            GeoJSON objects<br>
            and is out of scope for the GeoJSON WG.<br>
            <br>
            Deliverables:<br>
            <br>
            * A GeoJSON format specification document including mappings
            of 'geo'<br>
              URIs<br>
            * A document describing a format for a streamable sequence
            of GeoJSON<br>
              texts<br>
            <br>
            [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-butler-geojson">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-butler-geojson</a><br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            --<br>
            Sean Gillies</div>
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On Aug 13, 2015, at 7:36 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

> Since I ate some mic-line time at the DISPATCH meeting:
>=20
> I don't object to this charter.
>=20
> I reiterate that (if I understand the proposal correctly), these
> could be used as part of a location object, or could become
> a location object through extension.
>=20
> I suggest that you  consider adding text to the charter to ask=20
> that the group consider its extension points carefully (in general
> since you note that the user community is asking for guidance on
> extensibility), and not _preclude_ extensions that would allow this=20
> to become a location object unless the group determines such=20
> extensibility would be harmful.=20

Thanks. I added a sentence to the last paragraph to capture this. =
<http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-geojson/>

In the absence of other comments I=92ve put this charter on the =
September 3 IESG telechat for approval for external review.

Alissa

>=20
> RjS
>=20
> On 8/7/15 4:42 PM, Sean Gillies wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>=20
>> May I move that we start the GeoJSON WG using the charter below?
>>=20
>> (Also forwarded to the geopriv list and to the original, not-IETF, =
geosjon list)
>>=20
>> Proposed GeoJSON WG Charter
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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>>=20
>> GeoJSON
>> -------
>>=20
>> GeoJSON is a format for encoding data about geographic features using
>> JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) [RFC7159]. Geographic features need
>> not be physical things; any thing with properties that are bounded in
>> space may be considered a feature. GeoJSON provides a means of
>> representing both the properties and spatial extent of features.
>>=20
>> The GeoJSON format specification was published at http://geojson.org =
in
>> 2008. GeoJSON today plays an important and growing role in many =
spatial
>> databases, web APIs, and open data platforms. Consequently the
>> implementers increasingly demand formal standardization, improvements =
in
>> the specification, guidance on extensibility, and the means to =
utilize
>> larger GeoJSON datasets.
>>=20
>> This WG will work on a GeoJSON Format RFC that specifies the format =
more
>> precisely, serves as a better guide for implementers, and improves
>> extensibility of the format. The work will start from an =
Internet-Draft
>> written by the original GeoJSON authors: draft-butler-geojson [1].
>>=20
>> This WG will work on GeoJSON mappings of 'geo' URIs, reinforcing the =
use
>> of RFC 5870.
>>=20
>> This WG will work on a format for a streamable sequence of GeoJSON =
texts
>> based on RFC 7464 to address the difficulties in serializing very =
large
>> sequences of features or feature sequences of indeterminate length.
>>=20
>> GeoJSON objects represent geographic features only and do not specify
>> associations between geographic features and particular devices, =
users,
>> or facilities. Any association with a particular device, user, or
>> facility requires another protocol. As such, a GeoJSON object does =
not
>> fit the "Location Information" definition according to Section 5.2 of
>> RFC 3693, because there is not necessarily a "Device" involved. =
Because
>> there is also no way to specify the identity of a "Target" within the
>> confines of a GeoJSON object, it also does not fit the specification =
of
>> a "Location Object" (Section 5.2 of RFC 3693, Section 3.2 of RFC =
6280).
>> When a GeoJSON object is used in a context where it identifies the
>> location of a Target, it becomes subject to the architectural, =
security,
>> and privacy considerations in RFC 6280. The application of those
>> considerations is specific to protocols that make use of GeoJSON =
objects
>> and is out of scope for the GeoJSON WG.
>>=20
>> Deliverables:
>>=20
>> * A GeoJSON format specification document including mappings of 'geo'
>>   URIs
>> * A document describing a format for a streamable sequence of GeoJSON
>>   texts
>>=20
>> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-butler-geojson
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> --
>> Sean Gillies
>>=20
>>=20
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    Since I ate some mic-line time at the DISPATCH meeting:<br>
    <br>
    I don't object to this charter.<br>
    <br>
    I reiterate that (if I understand the proposal correctly), these<br>
    could be used as part of a location object, or could become<br>
    a location object through extension.<br>
    <br>
    I suggest that you&nbsp; consider adding text to the charter to ask =
<br>
    that the group consider its extension points carefully (in =
general<br>
    since you note that the user community is asking for guidance on<br>
    extensibility), and not _preclude_ extensions that would allow this
    <br>
    to become a location object unless the group determines such <br>
    extensibility would be harmful. =
<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks. I added a sentence to =
the last paragraph to capture this. &lt;<a =
href=3D"http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-geojson/">http://data=
tracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-geojson/</a>&gt;</div><div><br></div><di=
v>In the absence of other comments I=92ve put this charter on the =
September 3 IESG telechat for approval for external =
review.</div><div><br></div><div>Alissa</div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    <br>
    RjS<br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 8/7/15 4:42 PM, Sean Gillies =
wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote =
cite=3D"mid:CAOodmJoyxxZfXS1cAMn0LS-vrL18EDCdwODX6NA-pz+A3yVQ2g@mail.gmail=
.com" type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div>Dear all,<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div>May I move that we start the GeoJSON WG using the charter
          below?<br>
          <br>
          (Also forwarded to the geopriv list and to the original,
          not-IETF, geosjon list)<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        Proposed GeoJSON WG Charter<br>
        <div>
          <div>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br>
            <br>
            GeoJSON<br>
            -------<br>
            <br>
            GeoJSON is a format for encoding data about geographic
            features using<br>
            JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) [RFC7159]. Geographic
            features need<br>
            not be physical things; any thing with properties that are
            bounded in<br>
            space may be considered a feature. GeoJSON provides a means
            of<br>
            representing both the properties and spatial extent of
            features.<br>
            <br>
            The GeoJSON format specification was published at <a =
moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =
href=3D"http://geojson.org/">http://geojson.org</a>
            in<br>
            2008. GeoJSON today plays an important and growing role in
            many spatial<br>
            databases, web APIs, and open data platforms. Consequently
            the<br>
            implementers increasingly demand formal standardization,
            improvements in<br>
            the specification, guidance on extensibility, and the means
            to utilize<br>
            larger GeoJSON datasets.<br>
            <br>
            This WG will work on a GeoJSON Format RFC that specifies the
            format more<br>
            precisely, serves as a better guide for implementers, and
            improves<br>
            extensibility of the format. The work will start from an
            Internet-Draft<br>
            written by the original GeoJSON authors:
            draft-butler-geojson [1].<br>
            <br>
            This WG will work on GeoJSON mappings of 'geo' URIs,
            reinforcing the use<br>
            of RFC 5870.<br>
            <br>
            This WG will work on a format for a streamable sequence of
            GeoJSON texts<br>
            based on RFC 7464 to address the difficulties in serializing
            very large<br>
            sequences of features or feature sequences of indeterminate
            length.<br>
            <br>
            GeoJSON objects represent geographic features only and do
            not specify<br>
            associations between geographic features and particular
            devices, users,<br>
            or facilities. Any association with a particular device,
            user, or<br>
            facility requires another protocol. As such, a GeoJSON
            object does not<br>
            fit the "Location Information" definition according to
            Section 5.2 of<br>
            RFC 3693, because there is not necessarily a "Device"
            involved. Because<br>
            there is also no way to specify the identity of a "Target"
            within the<br>
            confines of a GeoJSON object, it also does not fit the
            specification of<br>
            a "Location Object" (Section 5.2 of RFC 3693, Section 3.2 of
            RFC 6280).<br>
            When a GeoJSON object is used in a context where it
            identifies the<br>
            location of a Target, it becomes subject to the
            architectural, security,<br>
            and privacy considerations in RFC 6280. The application of
            those<br>
            considerations is specific to protocols that make use of
            GeoJSON objects<br>
            and is out of scope for the GeoJSON WG.<br>
            <br>
            Deliverables:<br>
            <br>
            * A GeoJSON format specification document including mappings
            of 'geo'<br>
            &nbsp; URIs<br>
            * A document describing a format for a streamable sequence
            of GeoJSON<br>
            &nbsp; texts<br>
            <br>
            [1] <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-butler-geojson">https://tools.ie=
tf.org/html/draft-butler-geojson</a><br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            --<br>
            Sean Gillies</div>
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