From nobody Mon Mar 5 11:43:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0A612D7E4 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:42:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XrJOCmb9PXvs for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp80.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp80.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47279124BAC for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 80FAA24A8A; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 14:42:56 -0500 (EST) X-Auth-ID: fluffy@iii.ca Received: by smtp3.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fluffy-AT-iii.ca) with ESMTPSA id 2E03A24ACC; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 14:42:56 -0500 (EST) X-Sender-Id: fluffy@iii.ca Received: from [10.1.3.91] (S0106004268479ae3.cg.shawcable.net [70.77.44.153]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:587 (trex/5.7.12); Mon, 05 Mar 2018 14:42:56 -0500 From: Cullen Jennings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 12:42:54 -0700 Cc: dispatch chairs To: DISPATCH list Message-Id: <5EE6A8FB-3FDA-492A-93BD-297925134345@iii.ca> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 19:42:59 -0000 I wrote a draft that outlines how to replace STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, = DTLS-SRTP, and of course SDP with something simpler. It is at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media/ Would it be possible to get 20 minutes on the Dispatch agenda to discuss = it? Thanks, Cullen From nobody Mon Mar 5 13:31:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F136B126C0F; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 13:31:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GkAzhYMnKfsS; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 13:31:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf0-x22c.google.com (mail-lf0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 392771242F5; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 13:31:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id t204so25304766lff.9; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 13:31:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=kLoyL8JtE10DSqKpAdyz/OAwvNxQ+ltwBVIvmKheoqA=; b=JFCaf4hDUp+WtuwX5vzlr2A+pR/z1/0Irw5TD5c4OBdlc3OPF66D7wAzz+zp0C1DOR HQqqp4exUsoodkTG+Fl8OZMV9W1QDQljb4sOCr9nSIqwucdeqDnCDOl2BZ/drjdJ3mzC i0TrHgF72hD/ajwaj5AP7R/hIlKSVNFdXNULpDkUy+riaYJ8/lhpGmRXBPApd/kZJTxf iNwYuK4JOeN1mI9kCPbEK2a2D4XThve8gxctJ7gBnyO97QqTSmcXOYgWa+wHVwq0VxPg ji4H2XK7vnP2B2WnPHg+FJIqv2W1BZCUN1TLr9+gBJQn7tLNU6HeigXUSFd4DwkDB6is jxjQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=kLoyL8JtE10DSqKpAdyz/OAwvNxQ+ltwBVIvmKheoqA=; b=ZOBCHNBr5VYc6jAyOaUQNjWCqJNNi3rtGtbjILCC+/9S9/AxiLqN5BhMnicKkCcBHh KTKpuzbbzd6w4YXE3CEgn4WrtGXaZf5Hto4zxukmDQXKuzNfa1G6S+rdsqpKXvBZ8IAh VS6k//vRkJM3HDrm3jKS6/nKDecPx20PzX4uNgkiajKUq8KnblOXvha5qr2ZSPaf9ik+ IVWfzIyIAaQnnDjTjkcY+KdEKL7hYMhdb1H0M/9EGBuAyjC8pf72WoS1pHAwhlpH7hDD TTVthqA2FwTMuhDhQVRtKoe+q6V+hQNVb298Ob4Z+7iF/zvYCUz+yEjToJkw/cuCN+gK YqEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7GQoX76Ms4vYPGRWnl9yrn7Tzm/rJXO/wcD+74tMg7lmJddkkf8 LHLTLG5DeCV6vdQhOKcIOYcaYiZhd4F7WZL9s4U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELsHZUt+01/SLMpxtrTYqnXocq3m8hyncmCJRUFtB+Ktd/XnRbM+mS2SrxW4wydVK+LrEB1jgEy7gpwzO/UCarg= X-Received: by 10.46.2.11 with SMTP id 11mr11513990ljc.0.1520285463514; Mon, 05 Mar 2018 13:31:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.46.129.199 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 13:31:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5EE6A8FB-3FDA-492A-93BD-297925134345@iii.ca> References: <5EE6A8FB-3FDA-492A-93BD-297925134345@iii.ca> From: Mary Barnes Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:31:02 -0600 Message-ID: To: Cullen Jennings Cc: DISPATCH list , dispatch chairs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c1a67a802953e0566b10b0f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dispatch] draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 21:31:07 -0000 --94eb2c1a67a802953e0566b10b0f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" We'll include you at the end of the agenda if there is time ;) At this point, as you know, we should have time. Folks, it would be good for people to review this and provide feedback prior to the meeting. Regards, Mary. On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: > > I wrote a draft that outlines how to replace STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, > DTLS-SRTP, and of course SDP with something simpler. It is at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media/ > > Would it be possible to get 20 minutes on the Dispatch agenda to discuss > it? > > Thanks, Cullen > > > > > --94eb2c1a67a802953e0566b10b0f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We'll include you at the end of the agenda if there is= time ;)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 At this point, as you know, we should have time.=C2= =A0

Folks, it would be good for people to review this an= d provide feedback prior to the meeting.=C2=A0

Reg= ards,
Mary.=C2=A0

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> wrote:

I wrote a draft that outlines how to replace STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, DT= LS-SRTP, and of course SDP with something simpler. It is at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media/

Would it be possible to get 20 minutes on the Dispatch agenda to discuss it= ?

Thanks, Cullen





--94eb2c1a67a802953e0566b10b0f-- From nobody Wed Mar 7 19:22:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54452127867; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 19:22:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.408 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.408 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_BL=0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_L3=1.482, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CqodLeOBw4P2; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 19:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from m21397.mail.qiye.163.com (m21397.mail.qiye.163.com [223.252.213.97]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B8712D80E; Wed, 7 Mar 2018 19:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from WangajPC (unknown [219.142.69.75]) by m21397.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id BD3E4144254; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:22:10 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: "'Mary Barnes'" , "'Cullen Jennings'" Cc: "'DISPATCH list'" , "'dispatch chairs'" References: <5EE6A8FB-3FDA-492A-93BD-297925134345@iii.ca> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:22:09 +0800 Message-ID: <00a801d3b68c$a4e95c70$eebc1550$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A9_01D3B6CF.B30C9C70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdO0yUthmmykpkTtRg+LgCmPUdohjgBwJmHw Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1ktWUFJV1koWUFKTEtLSjdXWQgYFAkeWUFLVUtXWQkOFx4IWUFZMjUtOj cyP0FLVUtZBg++ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6Pgw6Qio5PToyP05CAlETMRQtAw0KCg5VSlVKTklL T0xCSEhNSktIVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZDB4ZWUEdGhcIHldZ CAFZQUpKQk5LN1dZEgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxOWQY+ X-HM-Tid: 0a6203a162677f6bkuukbd3e4144254 Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgZHJhZnQtamVubmluZ3MtZGlzcGF0Y2gt?= =?utf-8?q?new-media?= X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 03:22:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01D3B6CF.B30C9C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Cullen and Mary: =20 We are also having interestings to develop the new protocol that = replaces current TURN/ICE, which aim is similar with the "snowflake" = that Cullen proposed. If possible, we would like to introduce our thoughts(as described = =E2=80=9COARS=E2=80=9D) on this topic. Hope can have such = opportunities. =20 We have submit our proposal and make presentation at IETF98 in Chicago, = the related draft is at here = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-rtcweb-oars/ We can also consider the further actions based on these drafts. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China. =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Mary Barnes = [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 = 5:31 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Cullen Jennings =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: DISPATCH list; dispatch chairs =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [dispatch] draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media =20 We'll include you at the end of the agenda if there is time ;) At = this point, as you know, we should have time.=20 =20 Folks, it would be good for people to review this and provide feedback = prior to the meeting.=20 =20 Regards, Mary.=20 =20 On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: I wrote a draft that outlines how to replace STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, = DTLS-SRTP, and of course SDP with something simpler. It is at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media/ Would it be possible to get 20 minutes on the Dispatch agenda to discuss = it? Thanks, Cullen =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01D3B6CF.B30C9C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Cullen and = Mary:

 

We are = also having interestings to develop the new protocol that replaces = current TURN/ICE, which aim is similar with the "snowflake" = that Cullen proposed.

If possible, we would like to = introduce our thoughts(as described =E2=80=9COARS=E2=80=9D) on this topic.=C2=A0 Hope can = have such opportunities.

 

We have = submit our proposal and make presentation at IETF98 in Chicago, the = related draft is at here https:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-rtcweb-oars/

We can = also consider the further actions based on these = drafts.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support = Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China.

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Mary Barnes = [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 5:31
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Cullen = Jennings
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: DISPATCH list; dispatch = chairs
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [dispatch] = draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media

 

We'll include you at the end of the = agenda if there is time ;)    At this point, as you know, we = should have time. 

 

Folks, it would be good for people = to review this and provide feedback prior to the = meeting. 

 

Regards,

Mary. 

 

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:42 PM, = Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> wrote:


I wrote a draft that outlines how to replace STUN, = TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, DTLS-SRTP, and of course SDP with something = simpler. It is at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jennings-dispatc= h-new-media/

Would it be possible to get 20 minutes on the = Dispatch agenda to discuss it?

Thanks, = Cullen



 

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At this point, your draft is also expired. If you want to progress the work, you need to engage in discussion on the mailing list as to whether there's a problem to be solved with your proposed solution. Regards, Mary. - DISPATCH WG tri-chair On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Aijun Wang wrote: > Hi, Cullen and Mary: > > > > We are also having interestings to develop the new protocol that replaces > current TURN/ICE, which aim is similar with the "snowflake" that Cullen > proposed. > > If possible, we would like to introduce our thoughts(as described =E2=80= =9COARS=E2=80=9D) > on this topic. Hope can have such opportunities. > > > > We have submit our proposal and make presentation at IETF98 in Chicago, > the related draft is at here https://datatracker.ietf.org/ > doc/draft-wang-rtcweb-oars/ > > We can also consider the further actions based on these drafts. > > > > > > Best Regards. > > > > Aijun Wang > > Network R&D and Operation Support Department > > China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, > China. > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail= .com] > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5= 5:31 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Cullen Jennings > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* DISPATCH list; dispatch chairs > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [dispatch] draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media > > > > We'll include you at the end of the agenda if there is time ;) At this > point, as you know, we should have time. > > > > Folks, it would be good for people to review this and provide feedback > prior to the meeting. > > > > Regards, > > Mary. > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: > > > I wrote a draft that outlines how to replace STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, > DTLS-SRTP, and of course SDP with something simpler. It is at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media/ > > Would it be possible to get 20 minutes on the Dispatch agenda to discuss > it? > > Thanks, Cullen > > > > > --94eb2c0c917018b3300567014983 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Aijun,

So, my understanding is that = at IETF98, it was recommended that you bring the work to the DISPATCH WG fo= r discussion, following the process we have in place:

We sometimes can handle late items= , but we have a very full agenda as it stands.=C2=A0 =C2=A0At this point, y= our draft is also expired. If you want to progress the work, you need to en= gage in discussion on the mailing list as to whether there's a problem = to be solved with your proposed solution.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

=
Regards,
Mary.=C2=A0
- DISPATCH WG tri-chair
=

On Wed, Mar= 7, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn>= wrote:

Hi, Cullen and Mary:

=C2=A0

We are also havi= ng interestings to develop the new protocol that replaces current TURN/ICE,= which aim is similar with the "snowflake" that Cullen proposed.<= u>

If possible, we would like to int= roduce our thoughts(as described =E2=80=9COARS=E2=80=9D) on this topic.=C2=A0 Hope can have suc= h opportunities.

=C2=A0=

We have submit our proposal and make pre= sentation at IETF98 in Chicago, the related draft is at here https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-= rtcweb-oars/<= /p>

We can also consider the further actions based on thes= e drafts.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support Department

Chin= a Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, China.=

=C2=A0

= =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 201= 8=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 5:= 31
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Cullen Jennings
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: DISPATCH list; dispatch c= hairs
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [dispatch] draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media

=C2=A0

We'll include you at the end of the agend= a if there is time ;)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 At this point, as you know, we should ha= ve time.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Folks, it would be good for people to review this a= nd provide feedback prior to the meeting.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Regards,<= /u>

Mary.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> wrote:=


I wrote a draft that outlines how to replace STUN= , TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, DTLS-SRTP, and of course SDP with something simpler= . It is at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media/

Would it be possibl= e to get 20 minutes on the Dispatch agenda to discuss it?

Thanks, Cu= llen



<= span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0

=

--94eb2c0c917018b3300567014983-- From nobody Sun Mar 11 20:38:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C43124234; Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:38:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.408 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.408 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_BL=0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_L3=1.482, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XpipckYEuHkP; Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m21397.mail.qiye.163.com (m21397.mail.qiye.163.com [223.252.213.97]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64921243F6; Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WangajPC (unknown [219.142.69.77]) by m21397.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id E0A911447AF; Mon, 12 Mar 2018 11:38:04 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: "'Mary Barnes'" Cc: "'Cullen Jennings'" , "'DISPATCH list'" , "'dispatch chairs'" References: <5EE6A8FB-3FDA-492A-93BD-297925134345@iii.ca> <00a801d3b68c$a4e95c70$eebc1550$@org.cn> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 11:38:04 +0800 Message-ID: <009201d3b9b3$87885620$96990260$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01D3B9F6.95AB9620" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdO367GtJ6X/YJtHSBymPfrVVeswMgBwWM4Q Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1ktWUFJV1koWUFKTEtLSjdXWQgYFAkeWUFLVUtXWQkOFx4IWUFZMjUtOj cyP0FLVUtZBg++ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6MAw6Ljo4NTo*Tk1CGjdINzNPDS4aFCtVSlVKTklL Q0lOQ0NDTUJNVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZDB4ZWUEdGhcIHldZ CAFZQUlJQ05NN1dZEgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxMWQY+ X-HM-Tid: 0a621849618b7f6bkuuke0a911447af Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiDnrZTlpI06ICBkcmFmdC1qZW5uaW5ncy1k?= =?utf-8?q?ispatch-new-media?= X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 03:38:14 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01D3B9F6.95AB9620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Mary: =20 I will try to submit the revised version of this draft to DISPATCH WG = once the submission is open again.=20 But for the new proposal, I think it is better to have chance to = introduce it via face-to-face meeting, then we can discuss it on the = mail-list. The reason that I delayed the submission to DISPATCH WG is that our = draft focusing on mainly the solution that can coexist or simplify the = TURN/ICE protocol, which should be companioned with other demands to put = forward it. =20 As Cullen proposed, I think if there are enough interesting to simplify = these protocols(=E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, DTLS-SRTP, = and of course SDP=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D), then we can contribute our = thoughts to this work. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China. =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Mary Barnes = [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5 = 5:15 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Cullen Jennings; DISPATCH list; dispatch chairs =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [dispatch] = draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media =20 Hi Aijun, =20 So, my understanding is that at IETF98, it was recommended that you = bring the work to the DISPATCH WG for discussion, following the process = we have in place: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dispatch/wiki =20 We sometimes can handle late items, but we have a very full agenda as it = stands. At this point, your draft is also expired. If you want to = progress the work, you need to engage in discussion on the mailing list = as to whether there's a problem to be solved with your proposed = solution. =20 =20 Regards, Mary.=20 - DISPATCH WG tri-chair =20 On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Aijun Wang = wrote: Hi, Cullen and Mary: =20 We are also having interestings to develop the new protocol that = replaces current TURN/ICE, which aim is similar with the "snowflake" = that Cullen proposed. If possible, we would like to introduce our thoughts(as described = =E2=80=9COARS=E2=80=9D) on this topic. Hope can have such = opportunities. =20 We have submit our proposal and make presentation at IETF98 in Chicago, = the related draft is at here = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-rtcweb-oars/ We can also consider the further actions based on these drafts. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China. =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Mary Barnes = [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 = 5:31 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Cullen Jennings =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: DISPATCH list; dispatch chairs =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [dispatch] draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media =20 We'll include you at the end of the agenda if there is time ;) At = this point, as you know, we should have time.=20 =20 Folks, it would be good for people to review this and provide feedback = prior to the meeting.=20 =20 Regards, Mary.=20 =20 On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: I wrote a draft that outlines how to replace STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, = DTLS-SRTP, and of course SDP with something simpler. It is at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media/ Would it be possible to get 20 minutes on the Dispatch agenda to discuss = it? Thanks, Cullen =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01D3B9F6.95AB9620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Mary:

 

I will try to submit the revised version of this draft to DISPATCH WG = once the submission is open again.

But for the new proposal, I think it is better to have chance to = introduce it via face-to-face meeting, then we can discuss it on the = mail-list.

The reason that I delayed the submission to DISPATCH WG is that our = draft focusing on mainly the solution that can coexist or simplify the = TURN/ICE protocol, which should be companioned with other demands to put = forward it.

 

As Cullen proposed, I think if there are enough interesting to = simplify these protocols(=E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, = DTLS-SRTP, and of course SDP=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D), then we can contribute = our thoughts to this work.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support = Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China.

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Mary Barnes = [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5 5:15
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun = Wang
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Cullen Jennings; DISPATCH list; dispatch = chairs
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [dispatch] = draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media

 

Hi = Aijun,

 

So, my understanding is that at = IETF98, it was recommended that you bring the work to the DISPATCH WG = for discussion, following the process we have in = place:

 

We sometimes can handle late items, = but we have a very full agenda as it stands.   At this point, = your draft is also expired. If you want to progress the work, you need = to engage in discussion on the mailing list as to whether there's a = problem to be solved with your proposed solution.  =  

 

Regards,

Mary. 

- DISPATCH WG = tri-chair

 

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:22 PM, = Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn> = wrote:

Hi, Cullen and Mary:

 

We are also having interestings to develop the = new protocol that replaces current TURN/ICE, which aim is similar with = the "snowflake" that Cullen proposed.

If possible, we would like to introduce our = thoughts(as described =E2=80=9COARS=E2=80=9D) on this topic.  Hope can = have such opportunities.

 

We have submit our proposal and make = presentation at IETF98 in Chicago, the related draft is at = here https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-rtcweb-oars= /

We can also consider the further actions based = on these drafts.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China.

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 5:31
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Cullen = Jennings
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: DISPATCH list; dispatch = chairs
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [dispatch] = draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media

 

We'll include you at the end of the agenda if there is time = ;)    At this point, as you know, we should have = time. 

 

Folks, it would be good for people to review this and = provide feedback prior to the = meeting. 

 

Regards,

Mary. 

 

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> = wrote:


I wrote a draft that outlines how to replace STUN, = TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, DTLS-SRTP, and of course SDP with something = simpler. It is at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jennings-dispatc= h-new-media/

Would it be possible to get 20 minutes on the = Dispatch agenda to discuss it?

Thanks, = Cullen


 

 

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JCR is a data definition language (or schema language) for JSON intended to: * help specification authors concisely and clearly describe complex JSON data structures. * aid software developers to verify their implementations conform to specifications by validating any generated JSON against the specified JCR. * aid software developers by permitting specification of JCR based test sets. * aid software implementors to resolve interoperability issues. * facilitate monitoring of JSON based protocols via comparison of observed JSON messages against their JCR specification. One example of interoperability usage is [NicInfo](https://github.com/arineng/nicinfo), an RDAP client which can use JCR to help RDAP server operators find compatibility issues. Based on feedback from many individuals via the GitHub issue tracker, private email, and the JSON working group (now closed), JCR has evolved to the point where the authors feel this document can be formally progressed in the IETF. Additionally the authors have tested many of the ideas present in JCR with software implementations, [JCR Validator](https://github.com/arineng/jcrvalidator) being a complete implementation of the specification. At present, the authors feel there are only two open issues left: - a better means for ORing object members and their values - a more formal method for extension to rules Link to JCR draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-newton-json-content-rules/ Link to JCR for RDAP draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-newton-rdap-jcr/ From nobody Wed Mar 14 03:35:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A88128D2E for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 03:35:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=yandex.ru Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YF0FY4Q-ua96 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 03:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from forward105o.mail.yandex.net (forward105o.mail.yandex.net [37.140.190.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A50CF12711A for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 03:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxback5j.mail.yandex.net (mxback5j.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1619::10e]) by forward105o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 9067E4442349 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:33:23 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by mxback5j.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id 97j10TboSa-XM2iZivB; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:33:22 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1521023602; bh=Cfjc35/SPKCT8l3YUOMf0v0iybyL8pXj5Hp6pXA2irs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date; b=vcJWXg/KfIQB7qnBt81DgO2724qLu9YErXAI6LGVT88IJMJwSJp7XpCVVYFPNSAwc Wlc5ZNmMqaYXf2SaKVpZMqiNodIxjy8R30ELgmAGgfPKW8ardJFrXQdTXxd1u6Ky4x vAptg45YgZ4xWKB3yiPAX3Znvzbzm4jE0sk1Omyg= Authentication-Results: mxback5j.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Received: by web38j.yandex.ru with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:33:22 +0300 From: =?utf-8?B?0KLQstC10YDQtdGC0LjQvSDQkNC90YLQvtC9INCh0LXRgNCz0LXQtdCy0LjRhw==?= To: DISPATCH list MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <960981521023602@web38j.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:33:22 +0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dispatch] draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 10:35:24 -0000 What was it all about? What's the position in the protocol stack? An alternative to SDP e.g. the body of SIP? The description looks like JSON, but the syntax is nowhere defined. From nobody Tue Mar 20 10:14:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E56B127867 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:14:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vj2CIhRoeYjL for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp88.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp88.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01A1B12EC2E for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 599C5567A; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:13:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: fluffy@iii.ca Received: by smtp4.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fluffy-AT-iii.ca) with ESMTPSA id D6EFE58DC; Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:13:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: fluffy@iii.ca Received: from [10.61.200.110] ([UNAVAILABLE]. [173.38.220.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:587 (trex/5.7.12); Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:13:48 -0400 From: Cullen Jennings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:13:49 +0000 To: icnrg@ietf.org, Applications and Real-Time Area Discussion , DISPATCH list Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] New email list for Real Time Media Next Generation X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:14:32 -0000 We have created a new non WG email list to discuss topics of what types = of broad changes we might want to make to the IETF media stack. The = changes include things as broad as replacing or making significant = changes to STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, and SDP. It would be good to get input = on what features we could get by using modern networking techniques and = what impact it might have to the design.=20 One of the areas we would like to explore is things like using ICN for = interactive voice and video conferences.=20 There is interest in what we can do to unify some of the ideas for non = interactive media and interactive media.=20 This is a list about getting a bunch of ideas good and/or crazy ideas = and figuring out the impact and what we might want to do with theses = ideas. Once we have some ideas of what we might do if we changed = everything, we can look at how they might be broken into smaller = incremental changes to existing protocols. You can subscribe at:=20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rt-media-ng Thanks, Cullen=20 From nobody Sun Mar 25 20:19:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dispatch@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40701242EA; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 20:19:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZV2UXRietgia; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 20:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m21397.mail.qiye.163.com (m21397.mail.qiye.163.com [223.252.213.97]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF48F1200A0; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 20:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WangajPC (unknown [219.142.69.77]) by m21397.mail.qiye.163.com (Hmail) with ESMTPA id 254FD14395D; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:18:46 +0800 (CST) From: "Aijun Wang" To: "'Mary Barnes'" Cc: "'DISPATCH list'" , "'Cullen Jennings'" , "'dispatch chairs'" , References: <5EE6A8FB-3FDA-492A-93BD-297925134345@iii.ca> <00a801d3b68c$a4e95c70$eebc1550$@org.cn> <009201d3b9b3$87885620$96990260$@org.cn> In-Reply-To: <009201d3b9b3$87885620$96990260$@org.cn> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:18:45 +0800 Message-ID: <045801d3c4b1$26ccae40$74660ac0$@org.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0459_01D3C4F4.34EFEE40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdO367GtJ6X/YJtHSBymPfrVVeswMgBwWM4QAsCoNcA= Content-Language: zh-cn X-HM-Spam-Status: e1ktWUFJV1koWUFKTEtLSjdXWQgYFAkeWUFLVUtXWQkOFx4IWUFZMjUtOj cyP0FLVUtZBg++ X-HM-Sender-Digest: e1kSHx4VD1lBWUc6NjI6Fjo6AjooCDguNCNKHEJRIUkaCS1VSlVKTklJ S0hPSEhKTE1NVTMWGhIXVQwaFRwaEhEOFTsPCBIVHBMOGlUUCRxVGBVFWVdZDB4ZWUEdGhcIHldZ CAFZQUlDSE1LN1dZEgtZQVlJSkJVSk9JVU1CVUxMWQY+ X-HM-Tid: 0a626050bb6a7f6bkuuk254fd14395d Archived-At: Subject: [dispatch] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAg562U5aSNOiDnrZTlpI06ICBkcmFmdC1q?= =?utf-8?q?ennings-dispatch-new-media?= X-BeenThere: dispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DISPATCH Working Group Mail List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 03:19:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0459_01D3C4F4.34EFEE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Mary and Experts in Dispatch: =20 I have posted the draft about OARS that aims to update/simplify the = current TURN/ICE mechanism at = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-dispatch-oars/.=20 Any expert interested this topic can contact me or discuss it at the new = mail list https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rt-media-ng that = established by Cullen. =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China. =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang = [mailto:wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8812=E6=97=A5 = 11:38 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 'Mary Barnes' =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: 'DISPATCH list'; 'Cullen Jennings'; 'dispatch = chairs' =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [dispatch] =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: = draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media =20 Hi, Mary: =20 I will try to submit the revised version of this draft to DISPATCH WG = once the submission is open again.=20 But for the new proposal, I think it is better to have chance to = introduce it via face-to-face meeting, then we can discuss it on the = mail-list. The reason that I delayed the submission to DISPATCH WG is that our = draft focusing on mainly the solution that can coexist or simplify the = TURN/ICE protocol, which should be companioned with other demands to put = forward it. =20 As Cullen proposed, I think if there are enough interesting to simplify = these protocols(=E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, DTLS-SRTP, = and of course SDP=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D), then we can contribute our = thoughts to this work. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China. =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Mary Barnes = [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5 = 5:15 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Cullen Jennings; DISPATCH list; dispatch chairs =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [dispatch] = draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media =20 Hi Aijun, =20 So, my understanding is that at IETF98, it was recommended that you = bring the work to the DISPATCH WG for discussion, following the process = we have in place: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dispatch/wiki =20 We sometimes can handle late items, but we have a very full agenda as it = stands. At this point, your draft is also expired. If you want to = progress the work, you need to engage in discussion on the mailing list = as to whether there's a problem to be solved with your proposed = solution. =20 =20 Regards, Mary.=20 - DISPATCH WG tri-chair =20 On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:22 PM, Aijun Wang = wrote: Hi, Cullen and Mary: =20 We are also having interestings to develop the new protocol that = replaces current TURN/ICE, which aim is similar with the "snowflake" = that Cullen proposed. If possible, we would like to introduce our thoughts(as described = =E2=80=9COARS=E2=80=9D) on this topic. Hope can have such = opportunities. =20 We have submit our proposal and make presentation at IETF98 in Chicago, = the related draft is at here = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-rtcweb-oars/ We can also consider the further actions based on these drafts. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China. =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Mary Barnes = [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 = 5:31 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Cullen Jennings =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: DISPATCH list; dispatch chairs =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [dispatch] draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media =20 We'll include you at the end of the agenda if there is time ;) At = this point, as you know, we should have time.=20 =20 Folks, it would be good for people to review this and provide feedback = prior to the meeting.=20 =20 Regards, Mary.=20 =20 On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: I wrote a draft that outlines how to replace STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, = DTLS-SRTP, and of course SDP with something simpler. It is at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media/ Would it be possible to get 20 minutes on the Dispatch agenda to discuss = it? Thanks, Cullen =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0459_01D3C4F4.34EFEE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, Mary and Experts in Dispatch:

 

I have posted the draft about OARS = that aims to update/simplify the current TURN/ICE mechanism at https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-dispatch-oars/. =

Any expert interested this topic can contact me = or discuss it at the new mail list https://www.ie= tf.org/mailman/listinfo/rt-media-ng that established by = Cullen.

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support = Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China.

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun Wang = [mailto:wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8812=E6=97=A5 11:38
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: 'Mary = Barnes'
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: 'DISPATCH list'; 'Cullen = Jennings'; 'dispatch chairs'
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [dispatch] = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: = draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media

 

Hi, Mary:

 

I will try to submit the revised version of this draft to DISPATCH WG = once the submission is open again.

But for the new proposal, I think it is better to have chance to = introduce it via face-to-face meeting, then we can discuss it on the = mail-list.

The reason that I delayed the submission to DISPATCH WG is that our = draft focusing on mainly the solution that can coexist or simplify the = TURN/ICE protocol, which should be companioned with other demands to put = forward it.

 

As Cullen proposed, I think if there are enough interesting to = simplify these protocols(=E2=80=9C=E2=80=A6STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, = DTLS-SRTP, and of course SDP=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D), then we can contribute = our thoughts to this work.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support = Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China.

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.= com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5 5:15
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Aijun = Wang
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Cullen Jennings; DISPATCH list; dispatch = chairs
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: = =E7=AD=94=E5=A4=8D: [dispatch] = draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media

 

Hi = Aijun,

 

So, my understanding is that at = IETF98, it was recommended that you bring the work to the DISPATCH WG = for discussion, following the process we have in = place:

 

We sometimes can handle late items, = but we have a very full agenda as it stands.   At this point, = your draft is also expired. If you want to progress the work, you need = to engage in discussion on the mailing list as to whether there's a = problem to be solved with your proposed solution.  =  

 

Regards,

Mary. 

- DISPATCH WG = tri-chair

 

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:22 PM, = Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn> = wrote:

Hi, Cullen and Mary:

 

We are also having interestings to develop the = new protocol that replaces current TURN/ICE, which aim is similar with = the "snowflake" that Cullen proposed.

If possible, we would like to introduce our = thoughts(as described =E2=80=9COARS=E2=80=9D) on this topic.  Hope can = have such opportunities.

 

We have submit our proposal and make = presentation at IETF98 in Chicago, the related draft is at = here https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-rtcweb-oars= /

We can also consider the further actions based = on these drafts.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China.

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 5:31
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Cullen = Jennings
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: DISPATCH list; dispatch = chairs
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [dispatch] = draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media

 

We'll include you at the end of the agenda if there is time = ;)    At this point, as you know, we should have = time. 

 

Folks, it would be good for people to review this and = provide feedback prior to the = meeting. 

 

Regards,

Mary. 

 

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:42 PM, Cullen Jennings <fluffy@iii.ca> = wrote:


I wrote a draft that outlines how to replace STUN, = TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, DTLS-SRTP, and of course SDP with something = simpler. It is at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jennings-dispatc= h-new-media/

Would it be possible to get 20 minutes on the = Dispatch agenda to discuss it?

Thanks, = Cullen

 

 

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