From abdussalambaryun@gmail.com Mon Jul 8 06:13:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CF821F9B80 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 06:13:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x9HgE5N5hmNM for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 06:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x233.google.com (mail-pd0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::233]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A563721F99A1 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 06:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id q10so4049225pdj.38 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:13:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Vzsw14A/KbASDPXVm+uzGsNCzitik9u+mvHQTDMtTjY=; b=FRW2gD+xQEHU1WWc8apGwP6+IAl99nDgvTsh11M/G9VFKFkD5py2/RiHAVaQ3DWY5L bxRgTRt4D6swfNGDDxXhqo6b8N6H2TnHzGlThQ9fD6H5jfh0KfVSomWG30ot3pDRKbYt W+a781dv++gdCHPcM/NoKZIZiGyuu/ZtI/5eun+q3tTdMAamPEXbIAKFzHEM8+sLPssh a82sgyB+oSg8bP+Bg3WCfOwCu1gwAdgTerq20kDbYZh10YZM7SNuP4kvKq1/BKTq+WU6 SpsxLihY1JDD7Qibx8QvJtVqJRc3FxmSscTSibK7uIq67mPt70VXj0XcnDx469kkBPXA okrA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.249.135 with SMTP id yu7mr22657032pac.15.1373289229450; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.250.133 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 06:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 15:13:49 +0200 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: "diversity@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [Diversity] Acknowledging Participation to include all kind of efforts X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 13:13:50 -0000 I want to state that the IETF is not much giving diversity in acknowledging participation, it si random done by the editors or well known people. I feel I was excluded while I participated related to a draft. The IESG made a decision to agree with editors to not acknowledge my efforts, even though my input made the draft change. I feel there is descrimination because I am remote participant, but if I was known I was to be acknowledged, or I feel that IETF has no way to notice that people in life are not the same in knowledge and in reaction. If some one has disability will that person be excluded as well by the IETF. It is very strange that IETF is now judging between participations/efforts while it is claiming that all inputs in IETF is owned by itself. The IETF should consider acknowledging participations that review drafts and made the editors change its ideas. I am disapointed from the decision that had no diversity considerations. AB From sm@resistor.net Mon Jul 8 09:51:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B2921F9DCC for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 09:51:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X3YEJhY-81TH for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 09:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CE021F9DCD for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 09:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.resistor.net (IDENT:sm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r68GpNDY000076; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 09:51:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1373302293; bh=eSK/ZQDu4MNiQ7w5UwWZTT6wcSP8LIqLO4FQdw9KdWs=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=EZWNd2UHjlEixf6Xry+3ozW504eG7wOMTMwCeU7c52ItBtV0u2poU9FpDGplrUKf2 8d/MaW5ke170V/wibtP4tUsKu/IN6biHVYk6YpiNE91SoKi7k9IuStKP890SPzripu kvIGw81lSvwzKv/n6sG9CjTRvKZ6UHRwkLvTusm8= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=resistor.net; s=mail; t=1373302293; i=@resistor.net; bh=eSK/ZQDu4MNiQ7w5UwWZTT6wcSP8LIqLO4FQdw9KdWs=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=3/QaFlREdgvJvpfSICKl8+7gRfAGQJ5X3wHVhARL8jkCjLhMDS/yJzIGGm61yYerb 44Wwd99dwiHs5RIGAN7ChJ3KV4T0jioyqpAzlq5cf5OA4+zbgR8s0fzleDrlX0/Rpj Mky93KWUlhRtAK0xkqvBi0i2dbad0HziHDXX4OQc= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130708081515.0bb9ba68@resistor.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:46:42 -0700 To: Abdussalam Baryun From: SM In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: diversity@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diversity] Acknowledging Participation to include all kind of efforts X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 16:51:37 -0000 Hi Abdussalam, At 06:13 08-07-2013, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: >I want to state that the IETF is not much giving diversity in >acknowledging participation, it si random done by the editors or well >known people. I feel I was excluded while I participated related to a >draft. The IESG made a decision to agree with editors to not >acknowledge my efforts, even though my input made the draft change. I >feel there is descrimination because I am remote participant, but if I >was known I was to be acknowledged, or I feel that IETF has no way to >notice that people in life are not the same in knowledge and in >reaction. The appeal was not well-written. In a message posted in November, 2012, I mentioned the following: The problem with treating everyone as equals is that the newcomer has the same opportunity as the person who has been attending the IETF meetings since a long time. In practice, newcomers are given a slight advantage. It depends on whom you are dealing with. The suggestion is to be patient with the old people. Your reply was: "Disagree we are all equal, all should be patient and respected people,". It is strange to say that "people in life are not the same in knowledge" after saying "Disagree we are all equal". Regards, -sm From abdussalambaryun@gmail.com Mon Jul 8 20:16:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E6721F9BB5 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:16:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q7aZceTOwK0Z for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x22d.google.com (mail-pd0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22d]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C1D11E810A for ; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id v14so4737174pde.4 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 20:16:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=yhGMnBAh3LZhWqCF49rieIfCE8/J5OkXiBTAGdnRPZA=; b=hzXu49pYoHteEByU3ZI/bOOGy5HbahajcKbmaCTlFdtSA4z3dm70uurd3xhnm7sZIV 1VKz54enyzwuoUtqwLa32M4vEGC9cBStqq+YvpON0i4PSNd5X9EFgxCycQL7sMnIQW+i mXYaFFPpjGvdqCwdcir7uaqsnZrtH6Szkpdp/dt8ZtX27oiyLCx0b/cqXwlonx5QDMSS BTjf9ntPPUwdKDrz+4kYKj5Ts3t4fwRGV0ACQmk+rb3fPYKlGSZ+3UfrXLa9nBTYZbtp ft9NIn9IJ/A1IOmrefkG5Uw04+cdNLpSbgqjUOToJK0i1KM4EdLZadufEJEyoUJq+MIJ Qeaw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.230.40 with SMTP id sv8mr24237697pbc.30.1373339796067; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 20:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.250.133 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:16:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130708081515.0bb9ba68@resistor.net> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130708081515.0bb9ba68@resistor.net> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 05:16:35 +0200 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: SM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: diversity@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diversity] Acknowledging Participation to include all kind of efforts X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 03:16:37 -0000 Hi SM, I am always patient with people, but may not with management or organisations. However, people are equal in rights and opportunitis but they differ in knowledge, responsibilities and experience in life. My comments below, On 7/8/13, SM wrote: > > The appeal was not well-written. IMHO, that is no excuse. The complain idea is clear and the ietf-editor discourage problem is clear. > > In a message posted in November, 2012, I mentioned the following: > > The problem with treating everyone as equals is that the newcomer has > the same opportunity as the person who has been attending the IETF > meetings since a long time. In practice, newcomers are given a > slight advantage. It depends on whom you are dealing with. The > suggestion is to be patient with the old people. > > Your reply was: "Disagree we are all equal, all should be patient and > respected people,". yes people are equal; man, women, new, old, remote, yung, etc. yes people may have different experience, knowledge, and life, > > It is strange to say that "people in life are not the same in > knowledge" after saying "Disagree we are all equal". No strange, if you read above respond, but the way the IETF that it claims input-ownership and does not thank used-efforts is strange. yes people are equal; man, women, new, old, remote, yung, etc. yes people have different experience, knowledge, and life, yes people thank each other in life. No organisations are not equal to people. However, they live longer and use people to develop, but hopefully they thank who they use. AB From kathleen.moriarty@emc.com Fri Jul 19 08:33:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39C921F9D01 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:33:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.499, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yh3pmu516iin for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (hop-nat-141.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03B921F8756 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 08:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI01.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.54]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6JFXGW2008648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:33:16 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd01.lss.emc.com [10.254.221.251]) by hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:33:07 -0400 Received: from mxhub13.corp.emc.com (mxhub13.corp.emc.com [128.222.70.234]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6JFX62U009935 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:33:06 -0400 Received: from mxhub39.corp.emc.com (128.222.70.106) by mxhub13.corp.emc.com (128.222.70.234) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.297.1; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:33:05 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.184]) by mxhub39.corp.emc.com ([128.222.70.106]) with mapi; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:33:05 -0400 From: "Moriarty, Kathleen" To: "diversity@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:33:05 -0400 Thread-Topic: Note Well translation - Request for help Thread-Index: AQHOhJVDfHelf+gbu0KHrEOOCSRneQ== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Subject: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 15:33:42 -0000 Hello, One of the recommendations we received was to have the Note Well translated= by volunteers into various languages. The Note Well can be found at the f= ollowing link: http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html We have had several IETFers graciously agree to translate the Note Well int= o their native language and to have it verified. In some cases, we were ab= le to get a native English speaker to verify with a reverse translation vie= wpoint and in other cases, we have had multiple people verify the translati= ons. Since the volunteers are not lawyers, we (the IETF) are still working= out details of how a statement will be provided to ensure the English vers= ion is authoritative, avoiding legal concerns for volunteers. With that said, we still need a few more languages and any others that you = think would be helpful. Translations submitted: o Japanese o Persian Translation volunteers and verifiers confirmed: o German o Hindi o Portuguese o Spanish ** Volunteers Requested for: ** o Chinese (Mandarin?) o French o Korean o Others? Thank you, Kathleen & Suresh= From allison.mankin@gmail.com Fri Jul 19 09:31:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DF711E80E1 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:31:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.450, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19WqGU18dwDw for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-x22c.google.com (mail-bk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4008:c01::22c]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BDD11E812F for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-bk0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 6so1724801bkj.31 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:31:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FP8xJUhGTG5n1v53e+eU4O9zEBXNwYAtFkYfMKLn2n4=; b=FhegltOYzkATKhsvHiLV0I4NfhFzajKGPFFIN7c527UXB6yrl1SEZhXoNBnjtz+3kE U9XsPl1JNXZCtRxmQ/HvrOqurtQddyKhCXKIYL5DXpBihpDCVfZE5DacfXDDV+WtCaV3 axKkDFT6QGdcc1xJVDkkUtLNqpgntw9rlTtry4p2nxNzWy5ek8cnG8uOK6cYdL1DZ4WT u1tlYJ2jWXMIpQMbFruYVSGma6K496LLp3MBMnRIl+eNlck865UM42ooIpfYXdWDqkIM MZ5ItfTZnvbO2AuBG571p397htt+xBzhgWrYCWQf1flxKDvaFl778MJisqMYyq+KnoKr 2L2g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.69.12 with SMTP id x12mr2648485bki.14.1374251498809; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.36.138 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:31:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:31:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: Allison Mankin To: "Moriarty, Kathleen" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1132ec906b5d6e04e1dfdc39 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:31:43 -0000 --001a1132ec906b5d6e04e1dfdc39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Kathleen, > o Others? Arabic Dutch Hebrew On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen < kathleen.moriarty@emc.com> wrote: > Hello, > > One of the recommendations we received was to have the Note Well > translated by volunteers into various languages. The Note Well can be > found at the following link: > http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html > > We have had several IETFers graciously agree to translate the Note Well > into their native language and to have it verified. In some cases, we were > able to get a native English speaker to verify with a reverse translation > viewpoint and in other cases, we have had multiple people verify the > translations. Since the volunteers are not lawyers, we (the IETF) are > still working out details of how a statement will be provided to ensure the > English version is authoritative, avoiding legal concerns for volunteers. > > With that said, we still need a few more languages and any others that you > think would be helpful. > > Translations submitted: > o Japanese > o Persian > > Translation volunteers and verifiers confirmed: > o German > o Hindi > o Portuguese > o Spanish > > ** Volunteers Requested for: ** > o Chinese (Mandarin?) > o French > o Korean > o Others? > > > Thank you, > Kathleen & Suresh > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > --001a1132ec906b5d6e04e1dfdc39 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Kathleen,

> o Others?
Arabic
Dutch
Hebrew

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Moriarty, Ka= thleen <kathleen.moriarty@emc.com> wrote:
Hello,

One of the recommendations we received was to have the Note Well translated= by volunteers into various languages. =A0The Note Well can be found at the= following link:
http= ://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html

We have had several IETFers graciously agree to translate the Note Well int= o their native language and to have it verified. =A0In some cases, we were = able to get a native English speaker to verify with a reverse translation v= iewpoint and in other cases, we have had multiple people verify the transla= tions. =A0Since the volunteers are not lawyers, we (the IETF) are still wor= king out details of how a statement will be provided to ensure the English = version is authoritative, avoiding legal concerns for volunteers.

With that said, we still need a few more languages and any others that you = think would be helpful.

Translations submitted:
=A0 =A0 o =A0Japanese
=A0 =A0 o =A0Persian

Translation volunteers and verifiers confirmed:
=A0 =A0o =A0German
=A0 =A0o =A0Hindi
=A0 =A0o =A0Portuguese
=A0 =A0o =A0Spanish

** Volunteers Requested for: **
=A0 =A0 o =A0Chinese (Mandarin?)
=A0 =A0 o =A0French
=A0 =A0 o =A0Korean
=A0 =A0 o =A0Others?


Thank you,
Kathleen & Suresh
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--001a1132ec906b5d6e04e1dfdc39-- From spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com Fri Jul 19 09:58:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4EA21F9BD8 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:58:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id onLeMpVoQTNR for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x235.google.com (mail-ob0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::235]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DD321E80E2 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 16so5725624obc.12 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:58:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lR7aN8V0HEP86YrTT4incKQo/a6NINGKbsbLYc3Y5mw=; b=dBwAJXXieTLvdfCpohV+boRyHi747Xrjg9VUuL4pQYLWADA11e/tJhIxNLLfTa5efo +Gp36UhFpl5zSpicucpovPhRrBpNIT1N69Ua7UbyCYPph4kmX8ZxgBpta/HyrCXo0j2h pKq6sL8SbKseJTjiDP3qpPJ/SM1AaycA/t5rzxbon1/5IJz9f+3IrPPJb7G3/V7xm2pg RJoagVEkDKDCTvYEVseeaAkfiZdKkfV1O2co6icROPNniyKRlXKXqFIwtXLEsfswmTcq Y6kXZt8ze7T0GQ3O/p7cZtZimTTr2oV0OVKw8U5aep7W81RnHijhwLgIoeR3QwTyl9dE oBaQ== X-Received: by 10.182.18.40 with SMTP id t8mr13148191obd.85.1374253125132; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.23] (173-97-219-59.pools.spcsdns.net. [173.97.219.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r4sm22394220oem.3.2013.07.19.09.58.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51E97041.5060809@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 11:58:41 -0500 From: Spencer Dawkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diversity@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:58:53 -0000 On 7/19/2013 10:33 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: > ** Volunteers Requested for: ** > o Chinese (Mandarin?) > o French > o Korean > o Others? So, just a moment of backseat driving - I don't speak or read any of the 40 or so dialects of Chinese, of which Mandarin is the one I encounter most often, but it's my understanding that they all use the same pictographs - there's a "traditional" set and a "simplified" set, and I encounter "simplified" most often (note the choices you get in Google translate). So you should be able to handle all of the dialects with one written form. With that attended to - you're looking for someone to do the translation, or someone to verify a translation that's already been done? I might be able to find one or two people among my co-workers for either one, I'm just not sure which you need. Spencer From kathleen.moriarty@emc.com Fri Jul 19 10:04:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB4E11E8147 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 10:04:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.399, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GaB+13N+DtKz for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 10:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (hop-nat-141.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABDB11E817A for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 10:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si02.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI02.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.55]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6JH4Zax026345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:04:39 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd03.lss.emc.com [10.254.221.145]) by hop04-l1d11-si02.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:04:20 -0400 Received: from mxhub01.corp.emc.com (mxhub01.corp.emc.com [10.254.141.103]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6JH4JrO028453; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:04:19 -0400 Received: from mxhub37.corp.emc.com (128.222.70.104) by mxhub01.corp.emc.com (10.254.141.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.297.1; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:04:19 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.184]) by mxhub37.corp.emc.com ([128.222.70.104]) with mapi; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:04:19 -0400 From: "Moriarty, Kathleen" To: Spencer Dawkins Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:03:23 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help Thread-Index: Ac6EogFEIosfExWOScSXHuy7KSH6zw== Message-ID: <94C05DC2-DCE7-42E8-BFCA-03596F885CE0@emc.com> References: <51E97041.5060809@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51E97041.5060809@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:04:50 -0000 Hello Spencer, Thank you for offering assistance. For the ones listed as needing help, we= don't have the translation yet. I ha e been able to get the initial trans= lator to identify others to assist with the verification do far. Any help is appreciated! Thank you, Kathleen=20 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:00 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" wrote: > On 7/19/2013 10:33 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: >> ** Volunteers Requested for: ** >> o Chinese (Mandarin?) >> o French >> o Korean >> o Others? >=20 > So, just a moment of backseat driving - I don't speak or read any of the= =20 > 40 or so dialects of Chinese, of which Mandarin is the one I encounter=20 > most often, but it's my understanding that they all use the same=20 > pictographs - there's a "traditional" set and a "simplified" set, and I=20 > encounter "simplified" most often (note the choices you get in Google=20 > translate). So you should be able to handle all of the dialects with one= =20 > written form. >=20 > With that attended to - you're looking for someone to do the=20 > translation, or someone to verify a translation that's already been done? >=20 > I might be able to find one or two people among my co-workers for either= =20 > one, I'm just not sure which you need. >=20 > Spencer > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity >=20 From kathleen.moriarty@emc.com Fri Jul 19 10:27:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1785111E817E for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 10:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.266 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.266 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.333, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cfNEH5JHEG+r for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 10:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (hop-nat-141.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A392011E80FD for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 10:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI01.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.54]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6JHQne9028376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:26:57 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd01.lss.emc.com [10.254.221.251]) by hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:26:28 -0400 Received: from mxhub26.corp.emc.com (mxhub26.corp.emc.com [10.254.110.182]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6JHQQbg028094; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:26:26 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.184]) by mxhub26.corp.emc.com ([10.254.110.182]) with mapi; Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:26:26 -0400 From: "Moriarty, Kathleen" To: Spencer Dawkins Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:24:17 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help Thread-Index: Ac6EpRh59j1nxGlLSZOKqwThOVMv5Q== Message-ID: <8DAA5ED9-9DC1-4D9A-A395-28EA6F895126@emc.com> References: <51E97041.5060809@gmail.com> <94C05DC2-DCE7-42E8-BFCA-03596F885CE0@emc.com> In-Reply-To: <94C05DC2-DCE7-42E8-BFCA-03596F885CE0@emc.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:27:42 -0000 We now have a volunteer for the French translation, but will need someone t= o verify. Ideally, for best practices, the person would be a native Englis= h speaker who is fluent in French. Thank you, Kathleen=20 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:05 PM, "Moriarty, Kathleen" wrote: > Hello Spencer, >=20 > Thank you for offering assistance. For the ones listed as needing help, = we don't have the translation yet. I ha e been able to get the initial tra= nslator to identify others to assist with the verification do far. >=20 > Any help is appreciated! >=20 > Thank you, > Kathleen=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:00 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" wrote: >=20 >> On 7/19/2013 10:33 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: >>> ** Volunteers Requested for: ** >>> o Chinese (Mandarin?) >>> o French >>> o Korean >>> o Others? >>=20 >> So, just a moment of backseat driving - I don't speak or read any of the= =20 >> 40 or so dialects of Chinese, of which Mandarin is the one I encounter=20 >> most often, but it's my understanding that they all use the same=20 >> pictographs - there's a "traditional" set and a "simplified" set, and I= =20 >> encounter "simplified" most often (note the choices you get in Google=20 >> translate). So you should be able to handle all of the dialects with one= =20 >> written form. >>=20 >> With that attended to - you're looking for someone to do the=20 >> translation, or someone to verify a translation that's already been done= ? >>=20 >> I might be able to find one or two people among my co-workers for either= =20 >> one, I'm just not sure which you need. >>=20 >> Spencer >> _______________________________________________ >> diversity mailing list >> diversity@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity >=20 From yding@cs.helsinki.fi Sun Jul 21 05:12:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB9721E8085; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 05:12:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iiEn4Ow+kPLP; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 05:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from courier.cs.helsinki.fi (courier.cs.helsinki.fi [128.214.9.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D760511E80D5; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 05:12:32 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM: Courier DKIM Filter v0.50+pk-2013-06-17 courier.cs.helsinki.fi Sun Jul 21 15:12:12 2013 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cs.helsinki.fi; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= dkim20130528; bh=UjZS5KlDOklANJ/npfDteDDkrKjd4VB8ueeqbzbwgTc=; b= P2a26mRT/qrduTKliktOWECAnu6qfp0GTFuDZGKLHSzjHjujH4E94M2QAsS7qlBG 1D9Is5qP0qUDHI2FRto16QAiO+PwqVHwhfBS6BhmVwcIBc5XbZSs0jvcnM4rBznF gHXyi0FYdKREoKKXNwLS9nL7tgT67jshzilzCepEu3I= Received: from [131.111.218.40] (s218i40.wolfson.cam.ac.uk [131.111.218.40]) (AUTH: PLAIN yding, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by mail.cs.helsinki.fi with esmtp; Sun, 21 Jul 2013 15:12:12 +0300 id 0006812A.51EBD01C.0000744F Message-ID: <51EBD015.5010908@cs.helsinki.fi> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 13:12:05 +0100 From: Aaron Yi DING User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130623 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Moriarty, Kathleen" References: <51E97041.5060809@gmail.com> <94C05DC2-DCE7-42E8-BFCA-03596F885CE0@emc.com> <8DAA5ED9-9DC1-4D9A-A395-28EA6F895126@emc.com> In-Reply-To: <8DAA5ED9-9DC1-4D9A-A395-28EA6F895126@emc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 12:12:38 -0000 On 19/07/13 18:24, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: > We now have a volunteer for the French translation, but will need someone to verify. Ideally, for best practices, the person would be a native English speaker who is fluent in French. I could help the Mandarin part and assist the person Spencer referred to, or any other volunteers signed up so far. Cheers, Aaron > Thank you, > Kathleen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:05 PM, "Moriarty, Kathleen" wrote: > >> Hello Spencer, >> >> Thank you for offering assistance. For the ones listed as needing help, we don't have the translation yet. I ha e been able to get the initial translator to identify others to assist with the verification do far. >> >> Any help is appreciated! >> >> Thank you, >> Kathleen >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:00 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" wrote: >> >>> On 7/19/2013 10:33 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: >>>> ** Volunteers Requested for: ** >>>> o Chinese (Mandarin?) >>>> o French >>>> o Korean >>>> o Others? >>> So, just a moment of backseat driving - I don't speak or read any of the >>> 40 or so dialects of Chinese, of which Mandarin is the one I encounter >>> most often, but it's my understanding that they all use the same >>> pictographs - there's a "traditional" set and a "simplified" set, and I >>> encounter "simplified" most often (note the choices you get in Google >>> translate). So you should be able to handle all of the dialects with one >>> written form. >>> >>> With that attended to - you're looking for someone to do the >>> translation, or someone to verify a translation that's already been done? >>> >>> I might be able to find one or two people among my co-workers for either >>> one, I'm just not sure which you need. >>> >>> Spencer >>> _______________________________________________ >>> diversity mailing list >>> diversity@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity >> _______________________________________________ >> diversity mailing list >> diversity@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity >> > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity From trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch Mon Jul 22 03:24:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F87521F846E for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 03:24:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.428 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.428 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.171, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id buAMwAHmhBML for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 03:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch (smtp.ee.ethz.ch [129.132.2.219]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8706321E80B9 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 03:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6330D9323; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:16:42 +0200 (MEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new on smtp.ee.ethz.ch Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.ee.ethz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id MpubQy5LIHqP; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:16:42 +0200 (MEST) Received: from pb-10243.ethz.ch (pb-10243.ethz.ch [82.130.102.152]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: briant) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 86B27D9310; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:16:42 +0200 (MEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Brian Trammell In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:16:41 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3AF85CEF-B68C-40F1-B4D2-32481C8EC69C@tik.ee.ethz.ch> References: To: "Moriarty, Kathleen" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 10:24:50 -0000 hi Kathleen, Suresh, all, One question: what's the scope and purpose of this translation? The official Note Well is (intentionally) written in a legalistic style. = It defines an IETF contribution, then directs people to a three RFCs (by = number) which contain the actual normative text (in English). Most = tellingly, the words "intellectual property rights" -- the aspect of the = Note Well around which most discussions thereof are centered -- do not = appear in the Note Well at all. A direct translation of this into another language, maintaining its = style, would render the content in a similarly opaque tone, and would = probably be similarly bewildering to newcomers, who would in any case = have to understand enough English to grok the _text_ in both 3979 and = 5378 -- neither of which summarize obligations with respect to IPR or = rights provided to the Trust in their respective abstracts.=20 (This question came up in the context of the German translation -- = Amtsdeutsch is if anything _more_ impenetrable than North American = Lawyerspeak, which is saying a lot.) If the point of translating the Note Well is one of making people feel = welcome by showing that the potentially confusing legalese is also = available in their native language (and I'm not at all discouting that = that is a worthwhile goal!) then this is useful. For educating newcomers = as to how the IETF works, and how to work with the IETF, not so much. On the other hand, the updated Note Well slide circulating on the WG = Chairs wiki = (http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/wgchairs/attachment/wiki/WikiStart/Note%= 20Well%20slide.pdf) does a better job of explaining these things in = plain English -- though at the expense of being potentially slightly = imprecise -- and at the very least labels its referents. I think = translating _this_ instead of the official Note Well would have the = additional benefit of actually being more informative for newcomers; we = could even host the translated updated slide at = http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/slide_XX.html where XX is the ISO = language code for the translation, and point this out on the slide at = the start of each meeting. Thanks, best regards, Brian On 19 Jul 2013, at 17:33 , "Moriarty, Kathleen" = wrote: > Hello, >=20 > One of the recommendations we received was to have the Note Well = translated by volunteers into various languages. The Note Well can be = found at the following link: > http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html >=20 > We have had several IETFers graciously agree to translate the Note = Well into their native language and to have it verified. In some cases, = we were able to get a native English speaker to verify with a reverse = translation viewpoint and in other cases, we have had multiple people = verify the translations. Since the volunteers are not lawyers, we (the = IETF) are still working out details of how a statement will be provided = to ensure the English version is authoritative, avoiding legal concerns = for volunteers. >=20 > With that said, we still need a few more languages and any others that = you think would be helpful. >=20 > Translations submitted: > o Japanese > o Persian >=20 > Translation volunteers and verifiers confirmed: > o German > o Hindi > o Portuguese > o Spanish >=20 > ** Volunteers Requested for: ** > o Chinese (Mandarin?) > o French > o Korean > o Others? >=20 >=20 > Thank you, > Kathleen & Suresh > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity From kathleen.moriarty@emc.com Mon Jul 22 05:07:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B811F21E8084 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 05:07:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AdCUGpslhNLu for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 05:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (hop-nat-141.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1538121E8087 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 05:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI01.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.54]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6MC6swi032391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:06:57 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd06.lss.emc.com [10.254.222.130]) by hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:06:39 -0400 Received: from mxhub27.corp.emc.com (mxhub27.corp.emc.com [10.254.110.183]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6MC6ThW002557; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:06:38 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.184]) by mxhub27.corp.emc.com ([10.254.110.183]) with mapi; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:04:54 -0400 From: "Moriarty, Kathleen" To: Brian Trammell Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:04:54 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help Thread-Index: Ac6GxLTtcsmQrCcrR4i/PFl4rGCo3gADRoCC Message-ID: References: , <3AF85CEF-B68C-40F1-B4D2-32481C8EC69C@tik.ee.ethz.ch> In-Reply-To: <3AF85CEF-B68C-40F1-B4D2-32481C8EC69C@tik.ee.ethz.ch> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:07:13 -0000 Hello Brian, Thank you for your questions, I am sure these are helpful to others as well= . The idea to translate the Note Well came in as one of the diversity suggest= ions as a direct result of a problem that occurred in a working group where= non-native English speakers didn't understand the Note Well and the existe= nce of the RFCs referenced. Translating the Note Well is a first step, it = may be helpful to build on that with the IPR documents being translated as = well (TBD). Using this as a first step, we can try to figure out if it was= helpful. This may help to avoid some issues as our participants become mo= re diverse. I personally have been traveling too much the past couple of years and have= noticed that translated documents for other organizations extend their rea= ch. If you think about French for instance, this probably does not matter = for France, but could be really helpful for nations elsewhere that have Fre= nch as the primary language. If we are able to get a few basic documents t= ranslated, many more people can understand how the IETF works and how they = can participate. With other work, I have seen countries take a useful fram= ework and have it translated for distribution within their country, this sp= ecific example was for Austria. If we start with basic documents on IPR, t= hen maybe volunteer efforts will spring up for more like with the framework= document mentioned (not an IETF document). By adding the names of the translators, folks may reach out to you for addi= tional information. Jari is looking into the legal aspects to cover our vo= lunteer translators (English version is official, but we do want folks to u= nderstand the IPR rules). If the new wording becomes the official, we may need to reach back out for = translations again. It is probably best to wait until that becomes officia= l. That's a very good point if the translations will make more sense. Thank you, Kathleen ________________________________________ From: Brian Trammell [trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 6:16 AM To: Moriarty, Kathleen Cc: diversity@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help hi Kathleen, Suresh, all, One question: what's the scope and purpose of this translation? The official Note Well is (intentionally) written in a legalistic style. It= defines an IETF contribution, then directs people to a three RFCs (by numb= er) which contain the actual normative text (in English). Most tellingly, t= he words "intellectual property rights" -- the aspect of the Note Well arou= nd which most discussions thereof are centered -- do not appear in the Note= Well at all. A direct translation of this into another language, maintaining its style, = would render the content in a similarly opaque tone, and would probably be = similarly bewildering to newcomers, who would in any case have to understan= d enough English to grok the _text_ in both 3979 and 5378 -- neither of whi= ch summarize obligations with respect to IPR or rights provided to the Trus= t in their respective abstracts. (This question came up in the context of the German translation -- Amtsdeut= sch is if anything _more_ impenetrable than North American Lawyerspeak, whi= ch is saying a lot.) If the point of translating the Note Well is one of making people feel welc= ome by showing that the potentially confusing legalese is also available in= their native language (and I'm not at all discouting that that is a worthw= hile goal!) then this is useful. For educating newcomers as to how the IETF= works, and how to work with the IETF, not so much. On the other hand, the updated Note Well slide circulating on the WG Chairs= wiki (http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/wgchairs/attachment/wiki/WikiStart/= Note%20Well%20slide.pdf) does a better job of explaining these things in pl= ain English -- though at the expense of being potentially slightly imprecis= e -- and at the very least labels its referents. I think translating _this_= instead of the official Note Well would have the additional benefit of act= ually being more informative for newcomers; we could even host the translat= ed updated slide at http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/slide_XX.html where= XX is the ISO language code for the translation, and point this out on the= slide at the start of each meeting. Thanks, best regards, Brian On 19 Jul 2013, at 17:33 , "Moriarty, Kathleen" = wrote: > Hello, > > One of the recommendations we received was to have the Note Well translat= ed by volunteers into various languages. The Note Well can be found at the= following link: > http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html > > We have had several IETFers graciously agree to translate the Note Well i= nto their native language and to have it verified. In some cases, we were = able to get a native English speaker to verify with a reverse translation v= iewpoint and in other cases, we have had multiple people verify the transla= tions. Since the volunteers are not lawyers, we (the IETF) are still worki= ng out details of how a statement will be provided to ensure the English ve= rsion is authoritative, avoiding legal concerns for volunteers. > > With that said, we still need a few more languages and any others that yo= u think would be helpful. > > Translations submitted: > o Japanese > o Persian > > Translation volunteers and verifiers confirmed: > o German > o Hindi > o Portuguese > o Spanish > > ** Volunteers Requested for: ** > o Chinese (Mandarin?) > o French > o Korean > o Others? > > > Thank you, > Kathleen & Suresh > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity From trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch Mon Jul 22 05:18:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E867321E8083 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 05:18:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.162, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H65mwC8UjGe3 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 05:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch (smtp.ee.ethz.ch [129.132.2.219]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C815D21E8056 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 05:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E01ED949D; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 14:18:21 +0200 (MEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new on smtp.ee.ethz.ch Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.ee.ethz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id wRIXERiLuQdk; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 14:18:21 +0200 (MEST) Received: from pb-10243.ethz.ch (pb-10243.ethz.ch [82.130.102.152]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: briant) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 09445D9310; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 14:18:21 +0200 (MEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) From: Brian Trammell In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 14:18:19 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: , <3AF85CEF-B68C-40F1-B4D2-32481C8EC69C@tik.ee.ethz.ch> To: "Moriarty, Kathleen" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:18:28 -0000 hi, Kathleen, On 22 Jul 2013, at 14:04 , "Moriarty, Kathleen" = wrote: > Hello Brian, >=20 > Thank you for your questions, I am sure these are helpful to others as = well. >=20 > The idea to translate the Note Well came in as one of the diversity = suggestions as a direct result of a problem that occurred in a working = group where non-native English speakers didn't understand the Note Well = and the existence of the RFCs referenced. Translating the Note Well is = a first step, it may be helpful to build on that with the IPR documents = being translated as well (TBD). Using this as a first step, we can try = to figure out if it was helpful. This may help to avoid some issues as = our participants become more diverse. Okay, this makes sense. (I realize that my problem here isn't really = related to translation, it's that the Note Well, hobbled as it is by = having been originally written in legalese, does a relatively poor job = of what it's intended to on its own, without adding at least a few pages = from 3979 and 5378.) > I personally have been traveling too much the past couple of years and = have noticed that translated documents for other organizations extend = their reach. If you think about French for instance, this probably does = not matter for France, but could be really helpful for nations elsewhere = that have French as the primary language. If we are able to get a few = basic documents translated, many more people can understand how the IETF = works and how they can participate. With other work, I have seen = countries take a useful framework and have it translated for = distribution within their country, this specific example was for = Austria. If we start with basic documents on IPR, then maybe volunteer = efforts will spring up for more like with the framework document = mentioned (not an IETF document). Okay, to clarify though: the scope of translation we're talking about = here is the current official Note Well wording _only_, and not the = normative language that actually defines the policies in 3979 and 5378, = correct? > By adding the names of the translators, folks may reach out to you for = additional information. Jari is looking into the legal aspects to cover = our volunteer translators (English version is official, but we do want = folks to understand the IPR rules). >=20 > If the new wording becomes the official, we may need to reach back out = for translations again. It is probably best to wait until that becomes = official. That's a very good point if the translations will make more = sense. Thinking about this a bit more, I'd probably recommend something taking = from both the official note well and the abbreviated slides: missing = from the latter is any definition of "IETF context" which may be open to = interpretation especially across language and cultural boundaries, as = well as a clarification of rights given to the Trust. We do want to make = sure we don't overdo it though: finding volunteers to translate one = sparse page is easy compared to finding volunteers to translate = thirty-four pages. But it makes sense to start with the Note Well for now. Best regards, Brian > ________________________________________ > From: Brian Trammell [trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch] > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 6:16 AM > To: Moriarty, Kathleen > Cc: diversity@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help >=20 > hi Kathleen, Suresh, all, >=20 > One question: what's the scope and purpose of this translation? >=20 > The official Note Well is (intentionally) written in a legalistic = style. It defines an IETF contribution, then directs people to a three = RFCs (by number) which contain the actual normative text (in English). = Most tellingly, the words "intellectual property rights" -- the aspect = of the Note Well around which most discussions thereof are centered -- = do not appear in the Note Well at all. >=20 > A direct translation of this into another language, maintaining its = style, would render the content in a similarly opaque tone, and would = probably be similarly bewildering to newcomers, who would in any case = have to understand enough English to grok the _text_ in both 3979 and = 5378 -- neither of which summarize obligations with respect to IPR or = rights provided to the Trust in their respective abstracts. >=20 > (This question came up in the context of the German translation -- = Amtsdeutsch is if anything _more_ impenetrable than North American = Lawyerspeak, which is saying a lot.) >=20 > If the point of translating the Note Well is one of making people feel = welcome by showing that the potentially confusing legalese is also = available in their native language (and I'm not at all discouting that = that is a worthwhile goal!) then this is useful. For educating newcomers = as to how the IETF works, and how to work with the IETF, not so much. >=20 > On the other hand, the updated Note Well slide circulating on the WG = Chairs wiki = (http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/wgchairs/attachment/wiki/WikiStart/Note%= 20Well%20slide.pdf) does a better job of explaining these things in = plain English -- though at the expense of being potentially slightly = imprecise -- and at the very least labels its referents. I think = translating _this_ instead of the official Note Well would have the = additional benefit of actually being more informative for newcomers; we = could even host the translated updated slide at = http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/slide_XX.html where XX is the ISO = language code for the translation, and point this out on the slide at = the start of each meeting. >=20 > Thanks, best regards, >=20 > Brian >=20 >=20 > On 19 Jul 2013, at 17:33 , "Moriarty, Kathleen" = wrote: >=20 >> Hello, >>=20 >> One of the recommendations we received was to have the Note Well = translated by volunteers into various languages. The Note Well can be = found at the following link: >> http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html >>=20 >> We have had several IETFers graciously agree to translate the Note = Well into their native language and to have it verified. In some cases, = we were able to get a native English speaker to verify with a reverse = translation viewpoint and in other cases, we have had multiple people = verify the translations. Since the volunteers are not lawyers, we (the = IETF) are still working out details of how a statement will be provided = to ensure the English version is authoritative, avoiding legal concerns = for volunteers. >>=20 >> With that said, we still need a few more languages and any others = that you think would be helpful. >>=20 >> Translations submitted: >> o Japanese >> o Persian >>=20 >> Translation volunteers and verifiers confirmed: >> o German >> o Hindi >> o Portuguese >> o Spanish >>=20 >> ** Volunteers Requested for: ** >> o Chinese (Mandarin?) >> o French >> o Korean >> o Others? >>=20 >>=20 >> Thank you, >> Kathleen & Suresh >> _______________________________________________ >> diversity mailing list >> diversity@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity From kathleen.moriarty@emc.com Mon Jul 22 05:32:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDC021E8089 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 05:32:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.267 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.267 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.332, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UnkloTpixI56 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 05:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (hop-nat-141.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7718421E8085 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 05:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si03.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI03.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.23]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6MCWKNV029364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:32:20 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd01.lss.emc.com [10.254.221.251]) by hop04-l1d11-si03.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:32:07 -0400 Received: from mxhub21.corp.emc.com (mxhub21.corp.emc.com [128.222.70.133]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6MCW5iG019603; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:32:05 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.184]) by mxhub21.corp.emc.com ([128.222.70.133]) with mapi; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:32:05 -0400 From: "Moriarty, Kathleen" To: Brian Trammell Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:32:04 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help Thread-Index: Ac6G1aIFXStT38CcQDyaDqUKORA8igAAEafQ Message-ID: References: , <3AF85CEF-B68C-40F1-B4D2-32481C8EC69C@tik.ee.ethz.ch> , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:32:28 -0000 Hi Brian, Thank you again! I think we can start with the official Note Well. Let's take this step and= see what people think and get a sense of whether or not it was helpful to = non-native English speakers. Helpful may be that people understand more ab= out IPR and contributions, why they should read the referenced RFCs, or tha= t they feel more welcome. =20 We should be able to work with the diversity design team volunteers to help= determine next steps. As Brian pointed out, the next step could be transl= ating the Note Well that is on the WG Chair list under review, translating = the abbreviated slide version, or key sections of the IPR documents. We w= ill continue to try to get the official Note Wells in before Berlin and the= n determine next steps with volunteer efforts. =20 Thanks, Kathleen ________________________________________ From: diversity-bounces@ietf.org [diversity-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Brian Trammell [trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:18 AM To: Moriarty, Kathleen Cc: diversity@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help hi, Kathleen, On 22 Jul 2013, at 14:04 , "Moriarty, Kathleen" = wrote: > Hello Brian, > > Thank you for your questions, I am sure these are helpful to others as we= ll. > > The idea to translate the Note Well came in as one of the diversity sugge= stions as a direct result of a problem that occurred in a working group whe= re non-native English speakers didn't understand the Note Well and the exis= tence of the RFCs referenced. Translating the Note Well is a first step, i= t may be helpful to build on that with the IPR documents being translated a= s well (TBD). Using this as a first step, we can try to figure out if it w= as helpful. This may help to avoid some issues as our participants become = more diverse. Okay, this makes sense. (I realize that my problem here isn't really relate= d to translation, it's that the Note Well, hobbled as it is by having been = originally written in legalese, does a relatively poor job of what it's int= ended to on its own, without adding at least a few pages from 3979 and 5378= .) > I personally have been traveling too much the past couple of years and ha= ve noticed that translated documents for other organizations extend their r= each. If you think about French for instance, this probably does not matte= r for France, but could be really helpful for nations elsewhere that have F= rench as the primary language. If we are able to get a few basic documents= translated, many more people can understand how the IETF works and how the= y can participate. With other work, I have seen countries take a useful fr= amework and have it translated for distribution within their country, this = specific example was for Austria. If we start with basic documents on IPR,= then maybe volunteer efforts will spring up for more like with the framewo= rk document mentioned (not an IETF document). Okay, to clarify though: the scope of translation we're talking about here = is the current official Note Well wording _only_, and not the normative lan= guage that actually defines the policies in 3979 and 5378, correct? > By adding the names of the translators, folks may reach out to you for ad= ditional information. Jari is looking into the legal aspects to cover our = volunteer translators (English version is official, but we do want folks to= understand the IPR rules). > > If the new wording becomes the official, we may need to reach back out fo= r translations again. It is probably best to wait until that becomes offic= ial. That's a very good point if the translations will make more sense. Thinking about this a bit more, I'd probably recommend something taking fro= m both the official note well and the abbreviated slides: missing from the = latter is any definition of "IETF context" which may be open to interpretat= ion especially across language and cultural boundaries, as well as a clarif= ication of rights given to the Trust. We do want to make sure we don't over= do it though: finding volunteers to translate one sparse page is easy compa= red to finding volunteers to translate thirty-four pages. But it makes sense to start with the Note Well for now. Best regards, Brian > ________________________________________ > From: Brian Trammell [trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch] > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 6:16 AM > To: Moriarty, Kathleen > Cc: diversity@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help > > hi Kathleen, Suresh, all, > > One question: what's the scope and purpose of this translation? > > The official Note Well is (intentionally) written in a legalistic style. = It defines an IETF contribution, then directs people to a three RFCs (by nu= mber) which contain the actual normative text (in English). Most tellingly,= the words "intellectual property rights" -- the aspect of the Note Well ar= ound which most discussions thereof are centered -- do not appear in the No= te Well at all. > > A direct translation of this into another language, maintaining its style= , would render the content in a similarly opaque tone, and would probably b= e similarly bewildering to newcomers, who would in any case have to underst= and enough English to grok the _text_ in both 3979 and 5378 -- neither of w= hich summarize obligations with respect to IPR or rights provided to the Tr= ust in their respective abstracts. > > (This question came up in the context of the German translation -- Amtsde= utsch is if anything _more_ impenetrable than North American Lawyerspeak, w= hich is saying a lot.) > > If the point of translating the Note Well is one of making people feel we= lcome by showing that the potentially confusing legalese is also available = in their native language (and I'm not at all discouting that that is a wort= hwhile goal!) then this is useful. For educating newcomers as to how the IE= TF works, and how to work with the IETF, not so much. > > On the other hand, the updated Note Well slide circulating on the WG Chai= rs wiki (http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/wgchairs/attachment/wiki/WikiStar= t/Note%20Well%20slide.pdf) does a better job of explaining these things in = plain English -- though at the expense of being potentially slightly imprec= ise -- and at the very least labels its referents. I think translating _thi= s_ instead of the official Note Well would have the additional benefit of a= ctually being more informative for newcomers; we could even host the transl= ated updated slide at http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/slide_XX.html whe= re XX is the ISO language code for the translation, and point this out on t= he slide at the start of each meeting. > > Thanks, best regards, > > Brian > > > On 19 Jul 2013, at 17:33 , "Moriarty, Kathleen" wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> One of the recommendations we received was to have the Note Well transla= ted by volunteers into various languages. The Note Well can be found at th= e following link: >> http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html >> >> We have had several IETFers graciously agree to translate the Note Well = into their native language and to have it verified. In some cases, we were= able to get a native English speaker to verify with a reverse translation = viewpoint and in other cases, we have had multiple people verify the transl= ations. Since the volunteers are not lawyers, we (the IETF) are still work= ing out details of how a statement will be provided to ensure the English v= ersion is authoritative, avoiding legal concerns for volunteers. >> >> With that said, we still need a few more languages and any others that y= ou think would be helpful. >> >> Translations submitted: >> o Japanese >> o Persian >> >> Translation volunteers and verifiers confirmed: >> o German >> o Hindi >> o Portuguese >> o Spanish >> >> ** Volunteers Requested for: ** >> o Chinese (Mandarin?) >> o French >> o Korean >> o Others? >> >> >> Thank you, >> Kathleen & Suresh >> _______________________________________________ >> diversity mailing list >> diversity@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity _______________________________________________ diversity mailing list diversity@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity From kathleen.moriarty@emc.com Mon Jul 22 05:35:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5F121E8085 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 05:35:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.377 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.377 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.222, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VQqnLMyreCFW for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 05:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (hop-nat-141.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8531E21E80A3 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 05:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si03.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI03.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.23]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6MCZPAR006868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:35:27 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd02.lss.emc.com [10.254.221.253]) by hop04-l1d11-si03.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:35:18 -0400 Received: from mxhub28.corp.emc.com (mxhub28.corp.emc.com [10.254.110.184]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6MCZIx9027939; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:35:18 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.184]) by mxhub28.corp.emc.com ([10.254.110.184]) with mapi; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:35:18 -0400 From: "Moriarty, Kathleen" To: Aaron Yi DING Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:34:27 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help Thread-Index: Ac6GC6D2I3gznPaJQqOPM32SQPOu+AAzC1eI Message-ID: References: <51E97041.5060809@gmail.com> <94C05DC2-DCE7-42E8-BFCA-03596F885CE0@emc.com> <8DAA5ED9-9DC1-4D9A-A395-28EA6F895126@emc.com>, <51EBD015.5010908@cs.helsinki.fi> In-Reply-To: <51EBD015.5010908@cs.helsinki.fi> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:35:38 -0000 Thank you very much Aaron & Spencer! Could you two coordinate so that we h= ave one translator and at least one reviewer? French is now covered as well. Thank you, Kathleen ________________________________________ From: diversity-bounces@ietf.org [diversity-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Aaron Yi DING [yding@cs.helsinki.fi] Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:12 AM To: Moriarty, Kathleen Cc: diversity@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help On 19/07/13 18:24, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: > We now have a volunteer for the French translation, but will need someone= to verify. Ideally, for best practices, the person would be a native Engl= ish speaker who is fluent in French. I could help the Mandarin part and assist the person Spencer referred to, or any other volunteers signed up so far. Cheers, Aaron > Thank you, > Kathleen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:05 PM, "Moriarty, Kathleen" wrote: > >> Hello Spencer, >> >> Thank you for offering assistance. For the ones listed as needing help,= we don't have the translation yet. I ha e been able to get the initial tr= anslator to identify others to assist with the verification do far. >> >> Any help is appreciated! >> >> Thank you, >> Kathleen >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:00 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" wrote: >> >>> On 7/19/2013 10:33 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: >>>> ** Volunteers Requested for: ** >>>> o Chinese (Mandarin?) >>>> o French >>>> o Korean >>>> o Others? >>> So, just a moment of backseat driving - I don't speak or read any of th= e >>> 40 or so dialects of Chinese, of which Mandarin is the one I encounter >>> most often, but it's my understanding that they all use the same >>> pictographs - there's a "traditional" set and a "simplified" set, and I >>> encounter "simplified" most often (note the choices you get in Google >>> translate). So you should be able to handle all of the dialects with on= e >>> written form. >>> >>> With that attended to - you're looking for someone to do the >>> translation, or someone to verify a translation that's already been don= e? >>> >>> I might be able to find one or two people among my co-workers for eithe= r >>> one, I'm just not sure which you need. >>> >>> Spencer >>> _______________________________________________ >>> diversity mailing list >>> diversity@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity >> _______________________________________________ >> diversity mailing list >> diversity@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity >> > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity _______________________________________________ diversity mailing list diversity@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity From trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch Thu Jul 25 05:33:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F5021F8C3E for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 05:33:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.150, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FkpB7CUmowYM for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 05:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch (smtp.ee.ethz.ch [129.132.2.219]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1BB21F8B04 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 05:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB05FD9310; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:32:46 +0200 (MEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new on smtp.ee.ethz.ch Received: from smtp.ee.ethz.ch ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.ee.ethz.ch [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id KswA0kEf7mRi; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:32:46 +0200 (MEST) Received: from pb-10243.ethz.ch (pb-10243.ethz.ch [82.130.102.152]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: briant) by smtp.ee.ethz.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B5E7D9304; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:32:46 +0200 (MEST) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_68FA9903-1E4A-4FEA-9ED8-33D28245DC18" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) From: Brian Trammell In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:32:46 +0200 Message-Id: <17033C22-C2B3-496D-8D72-F27454D618CD@tik.ee.ethz.ch> References: , <3AF85CEF-B68C-40F1-B4D2-32481C8EC69C@tik.ee.ethz.ch> , To: "Moriarty, Kathleen" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Cc: diversity@ietf.org, Stephan Neuhaus Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 12:33:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_68FA9903-1E4A-4FEA-9ED8-33D28245DC18 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi Kathleen, all, A German translation, done by Stephan Neuhaus = , in CC, is attached. I've read it and = it seems to me to capture the tone of the Note Well well. One open question remains: how many of the IETF terms of art should be = rendered into German, and how many should remain in English (i.e. = 'Arbeitsgruppe' instead of 'Working Group', and so on)? This is another = question that's more important in the context of understandability for = newcomers, especially as the common abbreviation for Working Group has a = meaning in German (Wohngemeinschaft, a (generally unrelated) group of = people sharing an apartment where each has their own room), so seeing = Working Group essentially as an English loanword might help. Cheers, Brian (and Stephan) --Apple-Mail=_68FA9903-1E4A-4FEA-9ED8-33D28245DC18 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ietf-note-well.txt Content-Type: text/plain; name="ietf-note-well.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bitte Beachten Sie Jede Einreichung, die vom Einsender zur ganzen oder teilweisen Ver=C3=B6ffentlichung eines IETF Internet-Draft oder RFC bestimmt ist, sowie jede Erkl=C3=A4rung, die im Rahmen einer IETF-Aktivit=C3=A4t = abgegeben wird, wird als "IETF-Beitrag" behandelt. Solche Beitr=C3=A4ge = beinhalten auch m=C3=BCndliche Erkl=C3=A4rungen, die in IETF-Sitzungen abgegeben = werden, sowie schriftliche und elektronische Kommunikation zu jeder Zeit und an jedem Ort, die gerichtet sind an: * die IETF Plenarsitzung * die IESG oder eines ihrer Mitglieder in ihrem Namen * jegliche IETF Email-Liste, darunter die Liste der IETF selbst, die Listen von Arbeitsgruppen oder Entwurfsteams, oder irgend eine andere Liste, die unter der Schirmherrschaft der IETF steht * jegliche IETF Arbeitsgruppe oder einen Teil davon * jegliche Birds of a Feather (BOF) Sitzung * das IAB oder eines ihrer Mitglieder in ihrem Namen * den RFC-Redakteur oder die Internet-Drafts-Funktion Alle IETF-Beitr=C3=A4ge unterliegen den Regeln der RFCs 5378 und 3979 (aktualisiert durch RFC 4879). Erkl=C3=A4rungen, die ausserhalb von IETF-Sitzungen, Email-Listen oder anderen Funktionen abgegeben werden und die klar nicht als Eingabe einer IETF-Aktivit=C3=A4t, Gruppe oder Funktion gedacht sind, sind nicht IETF-Beitr=C3=A4ge im Sinn dieser Notiz. Details finden Sie in den RFCs 5378 und 3979. Es wird davon ausgegangen, dass Teilnehmer jeglicher IETF-Aktivit=C3=A4ten= alle IETF-Prozessregeln akzeptieren, so wie sie in den Best Current Practices RFCs und den IESG Statements niedergelegt sind. Teilnehmer jeglicher IETF-Aktivit=C3=A4ten sind einverstanden, dass schriftliche oder audiovisuelle Aufzeichnungen von Treffen erstellt und der =C3=96ffentlichkeit zug=C3=A4nglich gemacht werden. --Apple-Mail=_68FA9903-1E4A-4FEA-9ED8-33D28245DC18 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 22 Jul 2013, at 14:32 , "Moriarty, Kathleen" = wrote: > Hi Brian, >=20 > Thank you again! >=20 > I think we can start with the official Note Well. Let's take this = step and see what people think and get a sense of whether or not it was = helpful to non-native English speakers. Helpful may be that people = understand more about IPR and contributions, why they should read the = referenced RFCs, or that they feel more welcome. =20 >=20 > We should be able to work with the diversity design team volunteers to = help determine next steps. As Brian pointed out, the next step could be = translating the Note Well that is on the WG Chair list under review, = translating the abbreviated slide version, or key sections of the IPR = documents. We will continue to try to get the official Note Wells in = before Berlin and then determine next steps with volunteer efforts. =20 >=20 > Thanks, > Kathleen > ________________________________________ > From: diversity-bounces@ietf.org [diversity-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Brian Trammell [trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch] > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 8:18 AM > To: Moriarty, Kathleen > Cc: diversity@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help >=20 > hi, Kathleen, >=20 > On 22 Jul 2013, at 14:04 , "Moriarty, Kathleen" = wrote: >=20 >> Hello Brian, >>=20 >> Thank you for your questions, I am sure these are helpful to others = as well. >>=20 >> The idea to translate the Note Well came in as one of the diversity = suggestions as a direct result of a problem that occurred in a working = group where non-native English speakers didn't understand the Note Well = and the existence of the RFCs referenced. Translating the Note Well is = a first step, it may be helpful to build on that with the IPR documents = being translated as well (TBD). Using this as a first step, we can try = to figure out if it was helpful. This may help to avoid some issues as = our participants become more diverse. >=20 > Okay, this makes sense. (I realize that my problem here isn't really = related to translation, it's that the Note Well, hobbled as it is by = having been originally written in legalese, does a relatively poor job = of what it's intended to on its own, without adding at least a few pages = from 3979 and 5378.) >=20 >> I personally have been traveling too much the past couple of years = and have noticed that translated documents for other organizations = extend their reach. If you think about French for instance, this = probably does not matter for France, but could be really helpful for = nations elsewhere that have French as the primary language. If we are = able to get a few basic documents translated, many more people can = understand how the IETF works and how they can participate. With other = work, I have seen countries take a useful framework and have it = translated for distribution within their country, this specific example = was for Austria. If we start with basic documents on IPR, then maybe = volunteer efforts will spring up for more like with the framework = document mentioned (not an IETF document). >=20 > Okay, to clarify though: the scope of translation we're talking about = here is the current official Note Well wording _only_, and not the = normative language that actually defines the policies in 3979 and 5378, = correct? >=20 >> By adding the names of the translators, folks may reach out to you = for additional information. Jari is looking into the legal aspects to = cover our volunteer translators (English version is official, but we do = want folks to understand the IPR rules). >>=20 >> If the new wording becomes the official, we may need to reach back = out for translations again. It is probably best to wait until that = becomes official. That's a very good point if the translations will = make more sense. >=20 > Thinking about this a bit more, I'd probably recommend something = taking from both the official note well and the abbreviated slides: = missing from the latter is any definition of "IETF context" which may be = open to interpretation especially across language and cultural = boundaries, as well as a clarification of rights given to the Trust. We = do want to make sure we don't overdo it though: finding volunteers to = translate one sparse page is easy compared to finding volunteers to = translate thirty-four pages. >=20 > But it makes sense to start with the Note Well for now. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Brian >=20 >> ________________________________________ >> From: Brian Trammell [trammell@tik.ee.ethz.ch] >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 6:16 AM >> To: Moriarty, Kathleen >> Cc: diversity@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help >>=20 >> hi Kathleen, Suresh, all, >>=20 >> One question: what's the scope and purpose of this translation? >>=20 >> The official Note Well is (intentionally) written in a legalistic = style. It defines an IETF contribution, then directs people to a three = RFCs (by number) which contain the actual normative text (in English). = Most tellingly, the words "intellectual property rights" -- the aspect = of the Note Well around which most discussions thereof are centered -- = do not appear in the Note Well at all. >>=20 >> A direct translation of this into another language, maintaining its = style, would render the content in a similarly opaque tone, and would = probably be similarly bewildering to newcomers, who would in any case = have to understand enough English to grok the _text_ in both 3979 and = 5378 -- neither of which summarize obligations with respect to IPR or = rights provided to the Trust in their respective abstracts. >>=20 >> (This question came up in the context of the German translation -- = Amtsdeutsch is if anything _more_ impenetrable than North American = Lawyerspeak, which is saying a lot.) >>=20 >> If the point of translating the Note Well is one of making people = feel welcome by showing that the potentially confusing legalese is also = available in their native language (and I'm not at all discouting that = that is a worthwhile goal!) then this is useful. For educating newcomers = as to how the IETF works, and how to work with the IETF, not so much. >>=20 >> On the other hand, the updated Note Well slide circulating on the WG = Chairs wiki = (http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/wgchairs/attachment/wiki/WikiStart/Note%= 20Well%20slide.pdf) does a better job of explaining these things in = plain English -- though at the expense of being potentially slightly = imprecise -- and at the very least labels its referents. I think = translating _this_ instead of the official Note Well would have the = additional benefit of actually being more informative for newcomers; we = could even host the translated updated slide at = http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/slide_XX.html where XX is the ISO = language code for the translation, and point this out on the slide at = the start of each meeting. >>=20 >> Thanks, best regards, >>=20 >> Brian >>=20 >>=20 >> On 19 Jul 2013, at 17:33 , "Moriarty, Kathleen" = wrote: >>=20 >>> Hello, >>>=20 >>> One of the recommendations we received was to have the Note Well = translated by volunteers into various languages. The Note Well can be = found at the following link: >>> http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html >>>=20 >>> We have had several IETFers graciously agree to translate the Note = Well into their native language and to have it verified. In some cases, = we were able to get a native English speaker to verify with a reverse = translation viewpoint and in other cases, we have had multiple people = verify the translations. Since the volunteers are not lawyers, we (the = IETF) are still working out details of how a statement will be provided = to ensure the English version is authoritative, avoiding legal concerns = for volunteers. >>>=20 >>> With that said, we still need a few more languages and any others = that you think would be helpful. >>>=20 >>> Translations submitted: >>> o Japanese >>> o Persian >>>=20 >>> Translation volunteers and verifiers confirmed: >>> o German >>> o Hindi >>> o Portuguese >>> o Spanish >>>=20 >>> ** Volunteers Requested for: ** >>> o Chinese (Mandarin?) >>> o French >>> o Korean >>> o Others? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thank you, >>> Kathleen & Suresh >>> _______________________________________________ >>> diversity mailing list >>> diversity@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity >=20 > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity --Apple-Mail=_68FA9903-1E4A-4FEA-9ED8-33D28245DC18-- From spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com Thu Jul 25 13:00:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45E521F8F67 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:00:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l6k4A70WNhmi for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-x235.google.com (mail-ee0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4013:c00::235]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C8821F8445 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ee0-f53.google.com with SMTP id e53so1149114eek.26 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:00:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=mgVOalaXP7EJoVHPjlXqz3m/LWNRjCawU2HZwn74g7k=; b=Jt0CBv2i1sZABn6X/O9NdMYAMGrtHfcVucDdLJri2A/uP+aZwUN4RzH/RgHpDMK/Jv FEmbRpCxbijSLIgC2kuDoWZ/l9y/jWeyGMGPUFY/M2E3F9ZDkoVmmrabffz5X1uVw8vX wU1oViRRffAB38i/KbL3rgwJyFxJ5MJZGuTVRCDNosrChDaYSman6ju2Q72dyaOacNz6 jajcKA2+uH5An8XaiGchqnN7Nw93ADOOvJAYpAuiATRGdGvnXvQ+ffM8mQEsgqtTzx/U sesqF8/uDOdJ8mjYtZfyNrQUYVquQeqYLovRWeZ/xJks0vTnx8QqGPuOkUWO8neo3Rz9 lxxw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.69.206 with SMTP id n54mr43427753eed.154.1374782435449; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.84.130 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:00:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <51E97041.5060809@gmail.com> <94C05DC2-DCE7-42E8-BFCA-03596F885CE0@emc.com> <8DAA5ED9-9DC1-4D9A-A395-28EA6F895126@emc.com> <51EBD015.5010908@cs.helsinki.fi> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:00:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF To: "Moriarty, Kathleen" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0160cf92b588f704e25b7a61 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" , Aaron Yi DING Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:00:38 -0000 --089e0160cf92b588f704e25b7a61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have request into the Huawei IETF team, many of whom are native Chinese speakers. I hope to identify a specific colleague early in the week. I'll report back soon. On Monday, July 22, 2013, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: > Thank you very much Aaron & Spencer! Could you two coordinate so that we > have one translator and at least one reviewer? > > French is now covered as well. > > Thank you, > Kathleen > ________________________________________ > From: diversity-bounces@ietf.org [ > diversity-bounces@ietf.org ] On Behalf Of Aaron Yi DING [ > yding@cs.helsinki.fi ] > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:12 AM > To: Moriarty, Kathleen > Cc: diversity@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help > > On 19/07/13 18:24, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: > > We now have a volunteer for the French translation, but will need > someone to verify. Ideally, for best practices, the person would be a > native English speaker who is fluent in French. > > > I could help the Mandarin part and assist the person Spencer referred > to, or any other volunteers signed up so far. > > Cheers, > Aaron > > > > Thank you, > > Kathleen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:05 PM, "Moriarty, Kathleen" < > kathleen.moriarty@emc.com > wrote: > > > >> Hello Spencer, > >> > >> Thank you for offering assistance. For the ones listed as needing > help, we don't have the translation yet. I ha e been able to get the > initial translator to identify others to assist with the verification do > far. > >> > >> Any help is appreciated! > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Kathleen > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:00 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" < > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com > wrote: > >> > >>> On 7/19/2013 10:33 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: > >>>> ** Volunteers Requested for: ** > >>>> o Chinese (Mandarin?) > >>>> o French > >>>> o Korean > >>>> o Others? > >>> So, just a moment of backseat driving - I don't speak or read any of > the > >>> 40 or so dialects of Chinese, of which Mandarin is the one I encounter > >>> most often, but it's my understanding that they all use the same > >>> pictographs - there's a "traditional" set and a "simplified" set, and I > >>> encounter "simplified" most often (note the choices you get in Google > >>> translate). So you should be able to handle all of the dialects with > one > >>> written form. > >>> > >>> With that attended to - you're looking for someone to do the > >>> translation, or someone to verify a translation that's already been > done? > >>> > >>> I might be able to find one or two people among my co-workers for > either > >>> one, I'm just not sure which you need. > >>> > >>> Spencer > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> diversity mailing list > >>> diversity@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > >> _______________________________________________ > >> diversity mailing list > >> diversity@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > diversity mailing list > > diversity@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > --089e0160cf92b588f704e25b7a61 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have request into the Huawei IETF team, many of whom are native Chinese= =A0speakers. I hope to identify a specific colleague early in the week.=A0<= div>
I'll report back soon.=A0

On Mon= day, July 22, 2013, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote:
Thank you very much Aaron & Spencer! =A0= Could you two coordinate so that we have one translator and at least one re= viewer?

French is now covered as well.

Thank you,
Kathleen
________________________________________
From: diversity-bounces@ietf.org [diversity-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Yi DING [= yding@cs.helsinki.fi]
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:12 AM
To: Moriarty, Kathleen
Cc: diversity@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help

On 19/07/13 18:24, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote:
> We now have a volunteer for the French translation, but will need some= one to verify. =A0Ideally, for best practices, the person would be a native= English speaker who is fluent in French.


I could help the Mandarin part and assist the person Spencer referred
to, or any other volunteers signed up so far.

Cheers,
Aaron


> Thank you,
> Kathleen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:05 PM, "Moriarty, Kathleen" <kathleen.moriarty@emc.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Spencer,
>>
>> Thank you for offering assistance. =A0For the ones listed as needi= ng help, we don't have the translation yet. =A0I ha e been able to get = the initial translator to identify others to assist with the verification d= o far.
>>
>> Any help is appreciated!
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Kathleen
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:00 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/19/2013 10:33 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote:
>>>> ** Volunteers Requested for: **
>>>> =A0 =A0 o =A0Chinese (Mandarin?)
>>>> =A0 =A0 o =A0French
>>>> =A0 =A0 o =A0Korean
>>>> =A0 =A0 o =A0Others?
>>> So, just a moment of backseat driving - I don't speak or r= ead any of the
>>> 40 or so dialects of Chinese, of which Mandarin is the one I e= ncounter
>>> most often, but it's my understanding that they all use th= e same
>>> pictographs - there's a "traditional" set and a = "simplified" set, and I
>>> encounter "simplified" most often (note the choices = you get in Google
>>> translate). So you should be able to handle all of the dialect= s with one
>>> written form.
>>>
>>> With that attended to - you're looking for someone to do t= he
>>> translation, or someone to verify a translation that's alr= eady been done?
>>>
>>> I might be able to find one or two people among my co-workers = for either
>>> one, I'm just not sure which you need.
>>>
>>> Spencer
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> diversity mailing list
>>> diversity@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity
>> _______________________________________________
>> diversity mailing list
>> diversity@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity
>>
> _______________________________________________
> diversity mailing list
> diversity@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity

_______________________________________________
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Best Regards, Leaf From: diversity-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:diversity-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins at IETF Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 4:01 AM To: Moriarty, Kathleen Cc: diversity@ietf.org; Aaron Yi DING Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help I have request into the Huawei IETF team, many of whom are native Chinese speakers. I hope to identify a specific colleague early in the week. I'll report back soon. On Monday, July 22, 2013, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: Thank you very much Aaron & Spencer! Could you two coordinate so that we have one translator and at least one reviewer? French is now covered as well. Thank you, Kathleen ________________________________________ From: diversity-bounces@ietf.org [diversity-bounces@ietf.org ] On Behalf Of Aaron Yi DING [yding@cs.helsinki.fi ] Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:12 AM To: Moriarty, Kathleen Cc: diversity@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help On 19/07/13 18:24, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: > We now have a volunteer for the French translation, but will need someone to verify. Ideally, for best practices, the person would be a native English speaker who is fluent in French. I could help the Mandarin part and assist the person Spencer referred to, or any other volunteers signed up so far. Cheers, Aaron > Thank you, > Kathleen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:05 PM, "Moriarty, Kathleen" > wrote: > >> Hello Spencer, >> >> Thank you for offering assistance. For the ones listed as needing help, we don't have the translation yet. I ha e been able to get the initial translator to identify others to assist with the verification do far. >> >> Any help is appreciated! >> >> Thank you, >> Kathleen >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:00 PM, "Spencer Dawkins" > wrote: >> >>> On 7/19/2013 10:33 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: >>>> ** Volunteers Requested for: ** >>>> o Chinese (Mandarin?) >>>> o French >>>> o Korean >>>> o Others? >>> So, just a moment of backseat driving - I don't speak or read any of the >>> 40 or so dialects of Chinese, of which Mandarin is the one I encounter >>> most often, but it's my understanding that they all use the same >>> pictographs - there's a "traditional" set and a "simplified" set, and I >>> encounter "simplified" most often (note the choices you get in Google >>> translate). So you should be able to handle all of the dialects with one >>> written form. >>> >>> With that attended to - you're looking for someone to do the >>> translation, or someone to verify a translation that's already been done? >>> >>> I might be able to find one or two people among my co-workers for either >>> one, I'm just not sure which you need. >>> >>> Spencer >>> _______________________________________________ >>> diversity mailing list >>> diversity@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity >> _______________________________________________ >> diversity mailing list >> diversity@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity >> > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity _______________________________________________ diversity mailing list diversity@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity _______________________________________________ diversity mailing list diversity@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CE8A40.516E3480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As a native of Chinese speaker, I could  help on the Chinese = version.

 

 

Best Regards,

Leaf

 

 

 

From:= = diversity-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:diversity-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Spencer Dawkins at IETF
Sent: Friday, July 26, = 2013 4:01 AM
To: Moriarty, Kathleen
Cc: = diversity@ietf.org; Aaron Yi DING
Subject: Re: [Diversity] = Note Well translation - Request for help

 

I have request into the Huawei IETF = team, many of whom are native Chinese speakers. I hope to identify = a specific colleague early in the = week. 

 

I'll report back = soon. 

On Monday, July 22, 2013, Moriarty, Kathleen = wrote:

Thank you very much Aaron & Spencer!  Could you = two coordinate so that we have one translator and at least one = reviewer?

French is now covered as well.

Thank = you,
Kathleen
________________________________________
From: diversity-bounces@ietf.org [diversity-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron = Yi DING [yding@cs.helsinki.fi]
Sent: = Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:12 AM
To: Moriarty, Kathleen
Cc: diversity@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Diversity] = Note Well translation - Request for help

On 19/07/13 18:24, = Moriarty, Kathleen wrote:
> We now have a volunteer for the French = translation, but will need someone to verify.  Ideally, for best = practices, the person would be a native English speaker who is fluent in = French.


I could help the Mandarin part and assist the person = Spencer referred
to, or any other volunteers signed up so = far.

Cheers,
Aaron


> Thank you,
> = Kathleen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 19, = 2013, at 1:05 PM, "Moriarty, Kathleen" <kathleen.moriarty@emc.com> = wrote:
>
>> Hello Spencer,
>>
>> Thank = you for offering assistance.  For the ones listed as needing help, = we don't have the translation yet.  I ha e been able to get the = initial translator to identify others to assist with the verification do = far.
>>
>> Any help is = appreciated!
>>
>> Thank you,
>> = Kathleen
>>
>> Sent from my = iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 1:00 PM, = "Spencer Dawkins" <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> = wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/19/2013 10:33 AM, Moriarty, = Kathleen wrote:
>>>> ** Volunteers Requested for: = **
>>>>     o  Chinese = (Mandarin?)
>>>>     o =  French
>>>>     o =  Korean
>>>>     o =  Others?
>>> So, just a moment of backseat driving - I = don't speak or read any of the
>>> 40 or so dialects of = Chinese, of which Mandarin is the one I encounter
>>> most = often, but it's my understanding that they all use the = same
>>> pictographs - there's a "traditional" set = and a "simplified" set, and I
>>> encounter = "simplified" most often (note the choices you get in = Google
>>> translate). So you should be able to handle all = of the dialects with one
>>> written = form.
>>>
>>> With that attended to - you're = looking for someone to do the
>>> translation, or someone to = verify a translation that's already been = done?
>>>
>>> I might be able to find one or two = people among my co-workers for either
>>> one, I'm just not = sure which you need.
>>>
>>> = Spencer
>>> = _______________________________________________
>>> = diversity mailing list
>>> diversity@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity
= >> _______________________________________________
>> = diversity mailing list
>> diversity@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity
= >>
> _______________________________________________
> = diversity mailing list
> diversity@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity
=
_______________________________________________
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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity
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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01CE8A40.516E3480-- From abdussalambaryun@gmail.com Fri Jul 26 07:31:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A0B21F99CD for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:31:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pb8KlvioOQuZ for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x22d.google.com (mail-pa0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22d]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAF021F99A0 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id bg4so3307938pad.18 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:31:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=7rWeDKCzKHXNy+gG5qKP8hgEXbkrY+7beUbg3Qregms=; b=M/u4WmLejTcXO35hJvOS3MfwuISUv0QPsAyzb1MKt7/RARQKxFSdKxH0uTCeyo3Xz6 D5QMCrg5GScxmuTonQH+YvQm1DCbeDs/usEdR147S87uzI1c1LQC9tn6scvk3r/XfEyk 1zfBUaC3pKCuW+GFwsPnJN4SfGDV2qnmKQS7XBOAkM8VXkpXQvyk99vMU6uNBLq4/Ff9 DnHt/cGKK149/5YBkFCEKI/lmYBlPQTtzxvY58496Yzp/+ipf4Dk8zli8q8/4SR5U18o wSYvGdOu7iXdEGi5iRliBy4SD2QYgXWYejklUtmVqXaZWI5FFRqqhi0zvN6ANbUdiWdb +iog== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.164.69 with SMTP id yo5mr53902367pbb.96.1374849105078; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.250.133 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 07:31:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:31:44 +0200 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: "Moriarty, Kathleen" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:31:47 -0000 I think it is not enough to translate, but to explain more of the participant rights not only IETF rights. I thought while I am new comer, that I have a right to be acknowledged in the RFCs that I participated in, but I found out that I was excluded by the IETF, which is very strange or it means that I did not understand the note well, or that IETF management don't know the reason the note well was written. AB On 7/19/13, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: > Hello, > > One of the recommendations we received was to have the Note Well translated > by volunteers into various languages. The Note Well can be found at the > following link: > http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html > > We have had several IETFers graciously agree to translate the Note Well into > their native language and to have it verified. In some cases, we were able > to get a native English speaker to verify with a reverse translation > viewpoint and in other cases, we have had multiple people verify the > translations. Since the volunteers are not lawyers, we (the IETF) are still > working out details of how a statement will be provided to ensure the > English version is authoritative, avoiding legal concerns for volunteers. > > With that said, we still need a few more languages and any others that you > think would be helpful. > > Translations submitted: > o Japanese > o Persian > > Translation volunteers and verifiers confirmed: > o German > o Hindi > o Portuguese > o Spanish > > ** Volunteers Requested for: ** > o Chinese (Mandarin?) > o French > o Korean > o Others? > > > Thank you, > Kathleen & Suresh > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > From abdussalambaryun@gmail.com Fri Jul 26 21:27:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD72221F9A74; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:27:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VlI0RRV4qy0V; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x231.google.com (mail-pd0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::231]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287C621F9A65; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id u11so3552168pdi.8 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:27:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=y4q9TcM0JM+vzuYxAgPyieA6joYwMDe22l6vU1jtI8E=; b=lnOMbBIJlSjw0usZyPr26uzXeGstXxjd4NtQlDnGIvSrxx8NLFZ19BbGb95G8CMg7P nLN3on6DtRYD+GBErz2QUvBe1nMnhcxr53wqSeuyUkf+rwwfsj/7LZskcbaRLvsUDXFJ KtanSJp90AkINosyZbmlmk+6KliEmnqOW8THJKycgtov5JtcMK9n0NoDuK4xyplg2Be2 6j6cKAyG5Z9+ojtWUs5/4zgSpCA2Ex9XMzISQyMFG7Po1/7+BFRITnqmQ0sSXUdURxkq SuVGshFny7nd7W4c1OfsSgvDi4mpfzRTxXls2JNYYVt/OuylZqB6dfh/1sgXjFwMrJaw 2eVw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.228.201 with SMTP id sk9mr57143856pbc.4.1374899257750; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.250.133 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 21:27:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <016CD35E-2382-4822-8CA3-BF47D489BE96@verilan.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:27:37 +0200 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: John C Klensin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" , ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diversity] Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info) X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 04:27:39 -0000 Thanks, I agree with your points/suggestions. I want to add; a) Work/Participation in IETF is remotely to run its daily business. b) Newcomers (how many we have per meeting); are always welcomed, no one in IETF have been participating for longer than 30 years, so some how could we say participants are mostly all new (remotely+newBody). It will be nice to have a presenter (one year ietf participant) in session related to new comers so he/she can present their live experience. IMHO, the IETF is always new not old, so we need newcomers (let them speak and present in their session) to make IETF newer, otherwise IETF will become old-oriented :-) I define a new comer as one that have been participating for less than 5 years or never attended more than 2 meetings. It will be nice if all newcomers with this definition gather together and discuss interested issues. c) Overall, all IETF participants including IESG members are mostly serving IETF as Remote participants (new and old comers), but at meeting days some are present at the venues and not remote. We need both participation methods, and it is better to encourage both at all times with equal access for diversity purposes. AB On 7/26/13, John C Klensin wrote: > Hi. > > For a newcomer or someone expecting to write I-Ds, some of the > most important sessions at the IETF are the various Sunday > afternoon tutorials and introductions. Many of them are (or > should be) of as much interest to remote participants as to f2f > attendees. Until and unless a newcomer's tutorial can be > prepared that is focused on remote participants, even that > session should be of interest. > > For this particular meeting all of the following seem relevant > to at least some remote participants: > > Newcomers' Orientation > Tools for Creating I-Ds and RFCs > IAOC Overview Session > Multipath TCP > Applying IP Flow Information Export (IPFIX) to Network > Measurement and Management > > So... > > (1) The note below strongly implies that none of those sessions > are being audiocast. Why not and can that be fixed? > > (2) There is no hint on the agenda or tools agenda about > availability of presentation and related materials (slides, > etc.) for those sessions. Do those materials not exist? I > know, but a newcomer or remote participant might not, that I can > find some tutorials by going to the IETF main page and going to > "Tutorial" under "Resources", but I have no idea which of those > links actually reflects what will be presented on Sunday. > Assuming the presentation materials do exist for at least > several of the sessions, finding them is much like the situation > with subscribing to the 87all list. It should no involve a > treasure hunt at which only very experienced IETF participants > can be expected to succeed. > > Specific suggestions: > > (i) Let's get these open Sunday sessions audiocast and/or > available over Meetecho or WebEx. If that is impossible for > IETF 87, it should be a priority for IETF 88 and later. > > (ii) If there are presentation materials available, links from > the tools agenda and an announcement to IETF-Announce as to > where to find them would be desirable. > > (iii) If presentation materials are not available, why not? > And, more important, can this be made a requirement for IETF 88 > and beyond? > > thanks, > john > > > > --On Friday, July 26, 2013 12:00 +0200 Nick Kukich > wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> For those interested in monitoring sessions or participating >> remotely the following information may prove useful. >>... >> All 8 parallel tracks at the IETF 87 meeting will be broadcast >> starting with the commencement of working group sessions on >> Monday, July 29, 2013 at 0900 CEST (UTC+2) and continue until >> the close of sessions on Friday, August 2nd. >>... > > From spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com Sat Jul 27 12:22:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8CD21E8064 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:22:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.599, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_20_30=3.196] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lg9IyMZRlhvv for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x236.google.com (mail-wg0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9394321E8054 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n11so675974wgh.21 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:22:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=aqqbwL9HPydQKVqNz5+UR1654+rDF3rf8tucAtadsV0=; b=t1fPyXQuTfc0qBHT2fiNkbwcSb/xoLQyZkNuh+i++Kt63XS5tOlGPBlxKXsnB7SMwN 5VRZp6v6hUQCXtP8KQD4GU009AMjbKu1erj8DT4GJDJfi7Rthyo0Mo5iIwYdQ7BJ8eSk SsHNjVwd2THhQw89QmK6NATTvTqtSCunMUp0hrgIRivV5rRVLGTIWRcJUrs9NlwCuFoH 25KLq1VywgJShMdQ/Pu/oXTAQ1qJvy3UeDNDZHnfcyMW9hGY1IkXlRUzG1rlkBYexDcR fI6XxnkDVVH/LWXMZv06cRzsX/ekMVFawmJUs6Zk/VQaQqag89bEFyDngDjnawY1Cv6p b6hA== X-Received: by 10.180.38.45 with SMTP id d13mr2546373wik.62.1374952921976; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [130.129.67.45] (dhcp-432d.meeting.ietf.org. 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Could you two coordinate so that we have one translator and at least one reviewer? Dear Diversity Team, I have the translation below from Fuyou Miao (cc: on this e-mail). I know that Aaron and Leaf had offered to read and comment on the initial translation. Fuyou has been coming to IETFs since Paris/IETF 63, so some of you from INT and RTG may know him, and he is registered to attend IETF 87 this week, if it is helpful to talk with him in person. Thank you, Fuyou, for your help! 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On 7/22/2013 7:34 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote:
Thank you very much Aaron & Spencer!  Could you two coordinate so that we have one translator and at least one reviewer?

Dear Diversity Team,

I have the translation below from Fuyou Miao (cc: on this e-mail).

I know that Aaron and Leaf had offered to read and comment on the initial translation. Fuyou has been coming to IETFs since Paris/IETF 63, so some of you from INT and RTG may know him, and he is registered to attend IETF 87 this week, if it is helpful to talk with him in person.

Thank you, Fuyou, for your help!

Spencer

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[130.129.67.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o10sm12408070wiz.5.2013.07.27.12.30.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51F41FD5.7090507@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 14:30:29 -0500 From: Spencer Dawkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Moriarty, Kathleen" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 19:30:32 -0000 On 7/19/2013 10:33 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: > ** Volunteers Requested for: ** > o Chinese (Mandarin?) > o French > o Korean > o Others? I also have an offer to translate in Dutch, from Huub van Helvoort, cc: on this note. Please let him know if you would like him to do that. Huub is also registered to attend IETF 87 this week. Thank you, Spencer From yding@cs.helsinki.fi Sat Jul 27 13:08:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3517E21F8B07 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.925 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.925 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.523, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_20_30=3.196, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qov4r6IFe7xN for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from courier.cs.helsinki.fi (courier.cs.helsinki.fi [128.214.9.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A0921F9298 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:08:06 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM: Courier DKIM Filter v0.50+pk-2013-06-17 courier.cs.helsinki.fi Sat Jul 27 23:07:50 2013 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cs.helsinki.fi; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; s=dkim20130528; bh=xRJMQTufrGU1IRH5dM 4OZF6ffUbfl73kKlA833zL7uU=; b=Prl6Vs1be1trsnf4A43HWb0U3zpYIP/3rz OQfcHcQuCZVnaW9STgcq6WxTcm/MjT6D4nR6jARcB67y2cKLDvGSosD2KC+L0plk T0Ic93LbiJPqdyZI4TWh7A1oG6q7WWw0GSqj5XPd3mT2SgCo2ft4r1Ir4J7SzFUf B5A/6NsUU= Received: from [131.111.218.40] (s218i40.wolfson.cam.ac.uk [131.111.218.40]) (AUTH: PLAIN yding, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by mail.cs.helsinki.fi with esmtp; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:07:49 +0300 id 00068079.51F42895.0000038E Message-ID: <51F42890.3090909@cs.helsinki.fi> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:07:44 +0100 From: Aaron Yi DING User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130623 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins References: <51E97041.5060809@gmail.com> <94C05DC2-DCE7-42E8-BFCA-03596F885CE0@emc.com> <8DAA5ED9-9DC1-4D9A-A395-28EA6F895126@emc.com>, <51EBD015.5010908@cs.helsinki.fi> <51F41DD6.1080107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51F41DD6.1080107@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000809010605050805010007" Cc: diversity@ietf.org, Fuyou Miao Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Request for help X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 20:08:12 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000809010605050805010007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 27/07/13 20:21, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > On 7/22/2013 7:34 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: >> Thank you very much Aaron & Spencer! Could you two coordinate so that we have one translator and at least one reviewer? > > Dear Diversity Team, > > I have the translation below from Fuyou Miao (cc: on this e-mail). > > I know that Aaron and Leaf had offered to read and comment on the > initial translation. Fuyou has been coming to IETFs since Paris/IETF > 63, so some of you from INT and RTG may know him, and he is registered > to attend IETF 87 this week, if it is helpful to talk with him in person. > > Thank you, Fuyou, for your help! > > Spencer Thank you Spencer and Mr. MIAO Fuyou! The current version is an excellent start. I will go through it and provide feedback in due time. See you soon in Berlin. Cheers, Aaron > > *????*** > > ????????IETF??????,? ?? ?IETF???????RFC??????? ?,? ????IETF???????? ?? > ?,???????"IETF????"??????? ?IETF?????????????????????????????,???? ?: > > * IETF???? > * IESG??????IESG???? > * IETF????????,? ?IETF??????,??? ?? ?????????,???????IETF????????? > * ????????? > * ????????(BoF)?? > * IAB????????IAB?? > * RFC????Internet-Draft???? > > ???"????"??RFC 5378 ?RFC 3979 > (??RFC 4879 > ???)??? ??????? > > ?IETF??????? ????????????????,???????????IETF???????? ?? > ????????,???????????????IETF"????"? > > ???RFC 5378 ?RFC 3979 > ??????? ?? > > ??IETF??????? ???????IETF?????,? ????????"??????"RFC??IESG??????? > > IETF???????? ?? ????????????????????????????? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity --------------000809010605050805010007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 27/07/13 20:21, Spencer Dawkins wrote:
On 7/22/2013 7:34 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote:
Thank you very much Aaron & Spencer!  Could you two coordinate so that we have one translator and at least one reviewer?

Dear Diversity Team,

I have the translation below from Fuyou Miao (cc: on this e-mail).

I know that Aaron and Leaf had offered to read and comment on the initial translation. Fuyou has been coming to IETFs since Paris/IETF 63, so some of you from INT and RTG may know him, and he is registered to attend IETF 87 this week, if it is helpful to talk with him in person.

Thank you, Fuyou, for your help!

Spencer


Thank you Spencer and Mr. MIAO Fuyou! The current version is an excellent start. I will go through it and provide feedback in due time.

See you soon in Berlin.

Cheers,
Aaron


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--------------000809010605050805010007-- From ad707@hermes.cam.ac.uk Mon Jul 29 07:59:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB1F21F9970 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:59:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.300, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EeaD9cWyr8QI for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppsw-52.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-52.csi.cam.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:212:8::e:f52]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67A921F9951 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 07:59:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Cam-AntiVirus: no malware found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.54]:52205) by ppsw-52.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.158]:25) with esmtpa (EXTERNAL:ad707) id 1V3out-0001Gz-Ds (Exim 4.80_167-5a66dd3) (return-path ); Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:59:19 +0100 Received: from prayer by hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk (hermes.cam.ac.uk) with local (PRAYER:ad707) id 1V3out-00077f-8e (Exim 4.72) (return-path ); Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:59:19 +0100 Received: from [130.129.82.211] by webmail.hermes.cam.ac.uk with HTTP (Prayer-1.3.5); 29 Jul 2013 15:59:19 +0100 Date: 29 Jul 2013 15:59:19 +0100 From: Aaron Yi DING To: fuyou.miao@huawei.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Prayer v1.3.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-1870870024-1804289383-1375109959=:13676" Sender: Aaron Yi DING Cc: diversity@ietf.org, leaf.yeh.sdo@gmail.com, kathleen.moriarty@emc.com Subject: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Chinese X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:59:28 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1870870024-1804289383-1375109959=:13676 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hi, Please find the translation based on Mr. Miao's excellent work. File is=20 attached. Comments and feedback are welcome. 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Could you two coordinate so that= =20 >>> we have one translator and at least one reviewer? >> >> Dear Diversity Team, >> >> I have the translation below from Fuyou Miao (cc: on this e-mail). >> >> I know that Aaron and Leaf had offered to read and comment on the=20 >> initial translation. Fuyou has been coming to IETFs since Paris/IETF 63,= =20 >> so some of you from INT and RTG may know him, and he is registered to=20 >> attend IETF 87 this week, if it is helpful to talk with him in person. >> >> Thank you, Fuyou, for your help! >> >> Spencer=20 > > > Thank you Spencer and Mr. MIAO Fuyou! The current version is an=20 > excellent start. 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The = attached is my version of the Chinese translation. Maybe the = professional translator has his =E2=80=98professional=E2=80=99 version, = but I suppose we can=E2=80=99t = trust translator machine (such as Google Translator) = here.

 

I used Beyond Compare to make the Diff between the Aaron's = version & Fuyou's version. The diff looks great, language is so = flexible, but I suppose there are only some minor different = understanding on some key words, including:

 

a.       = the title - Note Well = =E2=80=93 =E9=A1=BB=E7=9F=A5

b.  IETF Contribution =E2=80=93 = IETF=E6=9D=A5=E7=A8=BF=EF=BC=88=E6=88= =96=E6=96=87=E7=A8=BF=EF=BC=89

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and etc.

 

The key-typo in Aaron's version is

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Which is right in = Fuyou=E2=80=99s = version.

 

 

Best Regards,

Leaf

 

PS. Gtalk - = leaf.y.yeh@gmail.com

 

 

Note Well

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Moriarty, Kathleen = [mailto:kathleen.moriarty@emc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 = 12:24 AM
To: Aaron Yi DING
Cc: fuyou.miao@huawei.com; = spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com; leaf.yeh.sdo@gmail.com; = diversity@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Note Well translation - = Chinese

 

Thank you very much for your time and effort on this = initiative!

 

Best regards,

Kathleen =

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Jul 29, 2013, at 4:59 PM, = "Aaron Yi DING" <Aaron.Ding@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

 

> Hi,

>

> Please find the translation based on Mr. Miao's = excellent work. File

> is attached. Comments and feedback are = welcome.

>

> Cheers,

> = Aaron

>

> --------

>

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> On 27/07/13 22:07, Aaron Yi DING = wrote:

>> On 27/07/13 20:21, Spencer Dawkins = wrote:

>>> On 7/22/2013 7:34 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen = wrote:

>>>> Thank you very much Aaron & Spencer! = Could you two coordinate so

>>>> that we have = one translator and at least one reviewer?

>>> =

>>> Dear Diversity Team,

>>> =

>>> I have the translation below from Fuyou Miao = (cc: on this e-mail).

>>>

>>> I know that Aaron = and Leaf had offered to read and comment on the

>>> initial = translation. Fuyou has been coming to IETFs since Paris/IETF =

>>> 63, so some of you from INT and RTG may know = him, and he is

>>> registered to attend IETF 87 this week, if it = is helpful to talk with him in person.

>>> =

>>> Thank you, Fuyou, for your = help!

>>>

>>> = Spencer

>>

>> =

>> Thank you Spencer and Mr. MIAO Fuyou! The current = version is an

>> excellent start. I will go through it and provide = feedback in due time.

>>

>> See you soon in = Berlin.

>>

>> = Cheers,

>> Aaron

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Wed, 31 Jul 2013 05:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.250.133 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 05:45:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:45:31 +0100 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: Jari Arkko Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b15a7f3d0121e04e2ce1977 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" , Pete Resnick , "ietf@ietf.org list" Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:45:32 -0000 --047d7b15a7f3d0121e04e2ce1977 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Jari, I have gave many feedback on the diversity issue, and I thank you for the article, I agree with iot totally. I will repeat my comment, that the design team of diversity SHOULD make clear what is its goals and milestones, therefore, we can give better feedback, but leaving that hidden to management, then only the special people listed in your article, I would prefer that the design team are selected by diversity parameters ( gender, region, age, necomer-oldcomer, etc). Thanks again, AB On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: > We have discussed diversity at the IETF at length. Yesterday, Pete Resnick > and I wrote an article about what we think the goal for the IETF should be, > as well as listing some of the early activities that we have taken at the > IETF. Our goal is making the IETF more inclusive for everyone who needs to > be working on Internet standards. We are at the beginning, however, and a > lot of work remains ahead. Here's the article: > > http://www.ietf.org/blog/2013/07/a-diverse-ietf/ > > Also, I wanted to let everyone know that tomorrow in the Administrative > Plenary, Kathleen Moriarty and Suresh Krishnan will be talking about what > they have uncovered so far in their efforts in the diversity design team. > I'm looking very much forward to their report. Their efforts will help us > understand where we have room to improve - often by much :-) - and what > kinds of actions we can take to improve our inclusiveness. > > Jari > > --047d7b15a7f3d0121e04e2ce1977 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jari,
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I have gave many fee= dback on the diversity issue, and I thank you for the article, I agree with= iot totally. I will repeat my comment, that the design team of diversity S= HOULD make clear what is its goals and milestones, therefore, we can give b= etter feedback, but leaving that hidden to management, then only the specia= l people listed in your article, I would prefer that the design team are se= lected by diversity parameters ( gender, region, age, necomer-oldcomer, etc= ). Thanks again,
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AB


On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@p= iuha.net> wrote:
We have discussed diversity at the IETF at length. Yesterd= ay, Pete Resnick and I wrote an article about what we think the goal for th= e IETF should be, as well as listing some of the early activities that we h= ave taken at the IETF. Our goal is making the IETF more inclusive for every= one who needs to be working on Internet standards. We are at the beginning,= however, and a lot of work remains ahead. Here's the article:

http://www.ietf.org/blog/2013/07/a-diverse-ietf/

Also, I wanted to let everyone know that tomorrow in the Administrative Ple= nary, Kathleen Moriarty and Suresh Krishnan will be talking about what they= have uncovered so far in their efforts in the diversity design team. I'= ;m looking very much forward to their report. Their efforts will help us un= derstand where we have room to improve - often by much :-) - and what kinds= of actions we can take to improve our inclusiveness.

Jari


--047d7b15a7f3d0121e04e2ce1977-- From arturo.servin@gmail.com Wed Jul 31 06:36:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B668C21F9E73; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SNPbwzQMP-jD; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ve0-x22e.google.com (mail-ve0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86FB21F9F62; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 06:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f174.google.com with SMTP id d10so740454vea.5 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 06:36:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Rc2dv9IprZdUSP4XlDl0dN9wib5f73dKMfpDOEjjbic=; b=yY6fL19pzWjkzUZr4mWZ7d0ZR8SEBA7LUd2y9y+k/Gqun7Icfnx1pkinLfVlLlLYKD pP2wGzf5NeuYXPL9tafIePkm+/IGnN7e+LEG5koOPxz3xTeBIndePgtgOl9TKEgvBAys uQ/vTqSFns0CF/5Y48B2j0v20x2fNgN0NwR9V3j7L4TrTbIWNN9pz+d06IyHdT11NVMT kx8yveyYfNnEjoY4VMT2MKvMf/OPleEu5DZawE04uc6/dqw+Fk/D4Bylm8FoJcvQFe8o b1vuzSnn35hoaXrHRNNL8KNpCPCJBm1a9Dhmu0E2FV7VPIQCY1eDGF1BaNqqLf84UPpf lz4Q== X-Received: by 10.58.80.38 with SMTP id o6mr29036522vex.69.1375277776029; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 06:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Arturos-MacBook-Pro.local ([2001:df8:0:16:a982:cfe7:e278:88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id tu6sm207741vec.2.2013.07.31.06.36.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 06:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51F912CF.3030203@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:36:15 +0200 From: Arturo Servin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Abdussalam Baryun References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" , Pete Resnick , Jari Arkko , "ietf@ietf.org list" Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:36:19 -0000 AFAIK anyone can participate. You just have to said "I". Regards, as On 7/31/13 2:45 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > I would prefer that the design team are selected by diversity > parameters ( gender, region, age, necomer-oldcomer, etc). Thanks again, From ad707@hermes.cam.ac.uk Wed Jul 31 06:54:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDF321F9FA1; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 06:54:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.054 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.054 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.545, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nS6tqOdkbeYX; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 06:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppsw-52.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-52.csi.cam.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:212:8::e:f52]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717EE11E8186; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 06:54:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Cam-AntiVirus: no malware found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.54]:40624) by ppsw-52.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.158]:25) with esmtpa (EXTERNAL:ad707) id 1V4WrO-0000Fo-D2 (Exim 4.80_167-5a66dd3) (return-path ); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:54:38 +0100 Received: from prayer by hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk (hermes.cam.ac.uk) with local (PRAYER:ad707) id 1V4WrN-0005Do-UM (Exim 4.72) (return-path ); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:54:37 +0100 Received: from [130.129.82.211] by webmail.hermes.cam.ac.uk with HTTP (Prayer-1.3.5); 31 Jul 2013 14:54:37 +0100 Date: 31 Jul 2013 14:54:37 +0100 From: Aaron Yi DING To: abdussalambaryun@gmail.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Prayer v1.3.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: Aaron Yi DING Cc: diversity@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:54:41 -0000 Hi, On 31/07/13 14:45, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > Hi Jari, > > I have gave many feedback on the diversity issue, and I thank you for > the article, I agree with iot totally. I will repeat my comment, that the > design team of diversity SHOULD make clear what is its goals and > milestones, therefore, we can give better feedback, but leaving that > hidden to management, then only the special people listed in your > article, I would prefer that the design team are selected by diversity > parameters ( gender, region, age, necomer-oldcomer, etc). Thanks again, The list has been publicly distributed by Design Team Chair. It actually saves time if you could just kindly search those names using whatever engines and read a bit, before step into quick judgement. Thanks, Aaron PS: parts of Suresh's email to ietf list on 17/06/2013 " Design team members =================== Narelle Clark Dave Crocker Aaron Yi Ding Lars Eggert SM Monique Morrow Hugo Salgado Arturo Servin Margaret Wasserman Scott Weeks " > > AB > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: > > We have discussed diversity at the IETF at length. Yesterday, Pete > Resnick and I wrote an article about what we think the goal for the IETF > should be, as well as listing some of the early activities that we have > taken at the IETF. Our goal is making the IETF more inclusive for > everyone who needs to be working on Internet standards. We are at the > beginning, however, and a lot of work remains ahead. Here's the article: > > http://www.ietf.org/blog/2013/07/a-diverse-ietf/ > > Also, I wanted to let everyone know that tomorrow in the > Administrative Plenary, Kathleen Moriarty and Suresh Krishnan will be > talking about what they have uncovered so far in their efforts in the > diversity design team. I'm looking very much forward to their report. > Their efforts will help us understand where we have room to improve - > often by much :-) - and what kinds of actions we can take to improve our > inclusiveness. > > Jari > > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity From kathleen.moriarty@emc.com Wed Jul 31 07:12:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F85221F9E1D; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:12:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wmz6bntKLah8; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (hop-nat-141.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A26611E81A5; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI01.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.54]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6VECKDU027964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:12:23 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd05.lss.emc.com [10.254.222.129]) by hop04-l1d11-si01.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:12:04 -0400 Received: from mxhub25.corp.emc.com (mxhub25.corp.emc.com [10.254.110.181]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6VEC1NB020783; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:12:01 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.184]) by mxhub25.corp.emc.com ([10.254.110.181]) with mapi; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:12:01 -0400 From: "Moriarty, Kathleen" To: Arturo Servin Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:11:46 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF Thread-Index: Ac6N9+QR6O/NbMI5Qo+BCXok3fvOxw== Message-ID: <0451AC4A-3CA4-4038-B02A-2B6E145D55F5@emc.com> References: <51F912CF.3030203@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51F912CF.3030203@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" , Pete Resnick , Jari Arkko , "ietf@ietf.org list" , Abdussalam Baryun Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:12:30 -0000 That is correct, the diversity list is open and we will have a summary of s= uggested initiatives for the design team to research tonight. To the speci= fic point below, we will do our best to also do outreach to speak with a wi= de range of people. =20 Thank you! Kathleen=20 Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2013, at 3:37 PM, "Arturo Servin" wrot= e: >=20 > AFAIK anyone can participate. You just have to said "I". >=20 > Regards, > as >=20 > On 7/31/13 2:45 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: >> I would prefer that the design team are selected by diversity >> parameters ( gender, region, age, necomer-oldcomer, etc). Thanks again, >=20 > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity >=20 From abdussalambaryun@gmail.com Wed Jul 31 07:26:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB7F21F844D for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:26:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pWjkhuEtMw+6 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x231.google.com (mail-pd0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::231]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83BD511E81BC for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id u10so733318pdi.36 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:25:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=EBM9kujTpILqUY8jty3wLow4sKCas7GnjK/BnYuc7G4=; b=BUBk/AGcLNEMa2jT9VdKThyBf+kVNDzrBl4b2ylqpV1ZGx+oDrwy9dLELPnF3Zkfbv 16fTMFzbLOcURNL0yMpBj5KcGnqfTei66WodQbpeXVhKczTPK2LKDuGR+O15CIrP4vV0 uATLGL4UPPEhujXtaOKR83W2vI0zDolzZJ6slZ6yQnNvBrIttK/BtDsM6UpQdp1P9Vc2 wzFHc8NT5eimskdWUkBuKM+SeyEB/VwAM56W/dpPdgzMw/deEgdKpELJlQJc16z2gQK+ o/GvTL1MEZsxOZsgo9ucW1deRlEX5Cbgb90XpMTHu1j+9spD+7sb0Di5XnOZGnAIMKFj oBag== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.175.133 with SMTP id ca5mr18808642pac.40.1375280734199; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.250.133 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:25:34 +0100 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: "Moriarty, Kathleen" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdca3fea0e74904e2cf7f81 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" , Pete Resnick , Jari Arkko , Arturo Servin Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:26:15 -0000 --047d7bdca3fea0e74904e2cf7f81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ok, if it is open why I was not listed, or how can I be listed, or who is editing such list. However, I remember that this diversity thing started by an email distributed signed by the some of the community sent to IETF list and asking if we want to sign it, I remember I signed it and replied, after that I see that there is a TEAM with few names, not sure what happend. Maybe there was a side meeting (or I call hidden meeting from IETF). Is side meetings help diversity, no I think it does not, AB On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen < kathleen.moriarty@emc.com> wrote: > That is correct, the diversity list is open and we will have a summary of > suggested initiatives for the design team to research tonight. To the > specific point below, we will do our best to also do outreach to speak with > a wide range of people. > > Thank you! > Kathleen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 3:37 PM, "Arturo Servin" > wrote: > > > > > AFAIK anyone can participate. You just have to said "I". > > > > Regards, > > as > > > > On 7/31/13 2:45 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > >> I would prefer that the design team are selected by diversity > >> parameters ( gender, region, age, necomer-oldcomer, etc). Thanks again, > > > > _______________________________________________ > > diversity mailing list > > diversity@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > > > --047d7bdca3fea0e74904e2cf7f81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ok, if it is open why I was= not listed, or how can I be listed, or who is editing such list. However, = I remember that this diversity thing started by an email distributed signed= by the some of the community sent to IETF list and asking if we want to si= gn it, I remember I signed it and replied, after that I see that there is a= TEAM with few names, not sure what happend.
=A0
Maybe there = was a side meeting (or I call hidden meeting from IETF). Is side meetings h= elp diversity, no I think it does not,
=A0<= /div>
AB
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Mor= iarty, Kathleen <kathleen.moriarty@emc.com> wrote:
That is correct, the diversity list is open and we will have a summary of s= uggested initiatives for the design team to research tonight. =A0To the spe= cific point below, we will do our best to also do outreach to speak with a = wide range of people.

Thank you!
Kathleen

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 31, 2013, at 3:37 PM, "Arturo Servin" <arturo.servin@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> =A0 =A0AFAIK anyone can participate. You just have to said "I&quo= t;.
>
> Regards,
> as
>
> On 7/31/13 2:45 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote:
>> I would prefer that the design team are selected by diversity
>> parameters ( gender, region, age, necomer-oldcomer, etc). Thanks a= gain,
>
> __________________= _____________________________
> diversity mailing list
> diversity@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity
>

--047d7bdca3fea0e74904e2cf7f81-- From ad707@hermes.cam.ac.uk Wed Jul 31 07:46:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8875521F9EF4 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:46:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.163 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.163 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.436, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LDfw2hYlBcVm for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppsw-32.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-32.csi.cam.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:212:8::e:f32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C058621F9D15 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:46:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Cam-AntiVirus: no malware found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.54]:56330) by ppsw-32.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.156]:25) with esmtpa (EXTERNAL:ad707) id 1V4Xfd-0000nW-0a (Exim 4.80_167-5a66dd3) (return-path ); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:46:33 +0100 Received: from prayer by hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk (hermes.cam.ac.uk) with local (PRAYER:ad707) id 1V4Xfd-0002Gc-3t (Exim 4.72) (return-path ); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:46:33 +0100 Received: from [130.129.82.211] by webmail.hermes.cam.ac.uk with HTTP (Prayer-1.3.5); 31 Jul 2013 15:46:33 +0100 Date: 31 Jul 2013 15:46:33 +0100 From: Aaron Yi DING To: abdussalambaryun@gmail.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Prayer v1.3.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: Aaron Yi DING Cc: diversity@ietf.org, presnick@qti.qualcomm.com Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:46:39 -0000 On 31/07/13 16:25, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > > Ok, if it is open why I was not listed, or how can I be listed, or who > is editing such list. However, I remember that this diversity thing > started by an email distributed signed by the some of the community sent > to IETF list and asking if we want to sign it, I remember I signed it and > replied, after that I see that there is a TEAM with few names, not sure > what happend. Thanks for your enthusiasm. To be frank, a proper question being asked shall be "How can I contribute?" This is an open forum and everyone can contribute to improve the diversity of IETF. Getting names on the list means responsibility, not just being listed. > > Maybe there was a side meeting (or I call hidden meeting from IETF). Is > side meetings help diversity, no I think it does not, Please be little bit more patient, your eagerness are felt, but sometimes the judgement is too harsh. Aaron > > AB On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen > wrote: > > That is correct, the diversity list is open and we will have a > summary of suggested initiatives for the design team to research tonight. > To the specific point below, we will do our best to also do outreach to > speak with a wide range of people. > > Thank you! > Kathleen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 3:37 PM, "Arturo Servin" > wrote: > > > > > AFAIK anyone can participate. You just have to said "I". > > > > Regards, > > as > > > > On 7/31/13 2:45 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > >> I would prefer that the design team are selected by diversity > >> parameters ( gender, region, age, necomer-oldcomer, etc). Thanks > >> again, > > > > _______________________________________________ > > diversity mailing list > > diversity@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > > > > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity From ad707@hermes.cam.ac.uk Wed Jul 31 08:00:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F46321F860B for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:00:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.936, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PKjthfbbFBD9 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppsw-52.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-52.csi.cam.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:212:8::e:f52]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B8021F963F for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 07:58:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Cam-AntiVirus: no malware found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.54]:50068) by ppsw-52.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.158]:25) with esmtpa (EXTERNAL:ad707) id 1V4Xqp-0001PY-DF (Exim 4.80_167-5a66dd3) (return-path ); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:58:07 +0100 Received: from prayer by hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk (hermes.cam.ac.uk) with local (PRAYER:ad707) id 1V4Xqp-0003TK-15 (Exim 4.72) (return-path ); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:58:07 +0100 Received: from [130.129.82.211] by webmail.hermes.cam.ac.uk with HTTP (Prayer-1.3.5); 31 Jul 2013 15:58:07 +0100 Date: 31 Jul 2013 15:58:07 +0100 From: Aaron Yi DING To: leaf.yeh.sdo@gmail.com, fuyou.miao@huawei.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Prayer v1.3.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: Aaron Yi DING Cc: diversity@ietf.org, kathleen.moriarty@emc.com Subject: Re: [Diversity] Note Well translation - Chinese X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:00:38 -0000 Thank you Leaf! for pointing out the critical typo in mine. It's not wise to use translate engines especially in our case. The English= =20 -> Chinese are normally horribly broken on logic sentences. The tentative next step could be we merge the existing versions and agree= =20 on a single one. Cheers, Aaron On 30/07/13 13:01, Leaf Yeh wrote: > > The attached is my version of the Chinese translation. Maybe the=20 > professional translator has his =E2=80=98professional=E2=80=99 version, b= ut I suppose we=20 > can=E2=80=99t trust translator machine (such as Google Translator) here. > > =20 > > I used Beyond Compare to make the Diff between the Aaron's version &=20 > Fuyou's version. The diff looks great, language is so flexible, but I=20 > suppose there are only some minor different understanding on some key=20 > words, including: > > =20 > > a. the title - Note Well =E2=80=93 =E9=A1=BB=E7=9F=A5 > > b. IETF Contribution =E2=80=93 IETF=E6=9D=A5=E7=A8=BF=EF=BC=88=E6=88=96= =E6=96=87=E7=A8=BF=EF=BC=89 > > c. IETF activity =E2=80=93 IETF=E6=9C=BA=E6=9E=84=EF=BC=88=E6=88=96=E7= =BB=84=E7=BB=87=EF=BC=89 > > and etc. > > =20 > > The key-typo in Aaron's version is > > > =E6=89=80=E6=9C=89=E6=8F=90=E4=BA=A4=E8=87=B3IETF=E7=9A=84=E6=96=87=E6= =A1=A3=E8=AE=AE=E6=A1=88=E5=92=8C=E5=B7=A5=E4=BD=9C=E8=B4=A1=E7=8C=AE=E9=83= =BD=E5=8F=97=E5=88=B0 RFC 5278 =E5=92=8C RFC 3979(=E6=9B=B4=E6=96=B0=E4=BA= =8ERFC > > Which is right in Fuyou=E2=80=99s version. > > =20 > > =20 > > Best Regards, > > Leaf > > =20 > > PS. Gtalk - leaf.y.yeh@gmail.com > > =20 > > =20 > > Note Well > > =20 > > =E9=A1=BB=E7=9F=A5=EF=BC=88=E6=88=96 =E2=80=9C=E8=AF=B7=E5=91=A8=E7=9F=A5= =E2=80=9D=EF=BC=89 > > =20 > > Any submission to the IETF intended by the Contributor for publication=20 > as all or part of an IETF Internet-Draft or RFC and any statement made=20 > within the context of an IETF activity is considered an "IETF=20 > Contribution". 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From: Moriarty, Kathleen=20 > [mailto:kathleen.moriarty@emc.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:24 AM= =20 > To: Aaron Yi DING Cc: fuyou.miao@huawei.com;=20 > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com; leaf.yeh.sdo@gmail.com; diversity@ietf.org= =20 > Subject: Re: Note Well translation - Chinese > > =20 > > Thank you very much for your time and effort on this initiative! > > =20 > > Best regards, > > Kathleen > > =20 > > Sent from my iPhone > > =20 > > On Jul 29, 2013, at 4:59 PM, "Aaron Yi DING" =20 > wrote: > > =20 > > > Hi, > > >=20 > > > Please find the translation based on Mr. Miao's excellent work. File=20 > > > is attached. 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Could you two coordinate so=20 > > >>>> that we have one translator and at least one reviewer? > > >>>=20 > > >>> Dear Diversity Team, > > >>>=20 > > >>> I have the translation below from Fuyou Miao (cc: on this e-mail). > > >>>=20 > > >>> I know that Aaron and Leaf had offered to read and comment on the=20 > > >>> initial translation. Fuyou has been coming to IETFs since Paris/IETF= =20 > > >>> 63, so some of you from INT and RTG may know him, and he is=20 > > >>> registered to attend IETF 87 this week, if it is helpful to talk=20 > >>> with him in person. > > >>>=20 > > >>> Thank you, Fuyou, for your help! > > >>>=20 > > >>> Spencer > > >>=20 > > >>=20 > > >> Thank you Spencer and Mr. MIAO Fuyou! The current version is an=20 > > >> excellent start. 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r6VGRAVc008291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:27:11 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd02.lss.emc.com [10.254.221.253]) by hop04-l1d11-si02.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:26:56 -0400 Received: from mxhub29.corp.emc.com (mxhub29.corp.emc.com [128.222.70.169]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6VGQtWo024586; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:26:56 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.184]) by mxhub29.corp.emc.com ([128.222.70.169]) with mapi; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:26:54 -0400 From: "Moriarty, Kathleen" To: Aaron Yi DING , "abdussalambaryun@gmail.com" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:04:21 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF Thread-Index: Ac6N/bwm+n3ztEg8R8W9T3YXHVoD7wACeDXx Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" , "presnick@qti.qualcomm.com" Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:28:15 -0000 We would love to hear from you and anyone else interested in contributing! If you want to send input to the design team about issues and potential sol= utions:=20 diversity-dt@ietf.org If you want to discuss diversity issues in general use the open diversity d= iscussion list diversity@ietf.org Thank you, Kathleen & Suresh ________________________________________ From: diversity-bounces@ietf.org [diversity-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Aaron Yi DING [Aaron.Ding@cl.cam.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:46 AM To: abdussalambaryun@gmail.com Cc: diversity@ietf.org; presnick@qti.qualcomm.com Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF On 31/07/13 16:25, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > > Ok, if it is open why I was not listed, or how can I be listed, or who > is editing such list. However, I remember that this diversity thing > started by an email distributed signed by the some of the community sent > to IETF list and asking if we want to sign it, I remember I signed it and > replied, after that I see that there is a TEAM with few names, not sure > what happend. Thanks for your enthusiasm. To be frank, a proper question being asked shall be "How can I contribute?" This is an open forum and everyone can contribute to improve the diversity of IETF. Getting names on the list means responsibility, not just being listed. > > Maybe there was a side meeting (or I call hidden meeting from IETF). Is > side meetings help diversity, no I think it does not, Please be little bit more patient, your eagerness are felt, but sometimes the judgement is too harsh. Aaron > > AB On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen > wrote: > > That is correct, the diversity list is open and we will have a > summary of suggested initiatives for the design team to research tonight. > To the specific point below, we will do our best to also do outreach to > speak with a wide range of people. > > Thank you! > Kathleen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 3:37 PM, "Arturo Servin" > wrote: > > > > > AFAIK anyone can participate. You just have to said "I". > > > > Regards, > > as > > > > On 7/31/13 2:45 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > >> I would prefer that the design team are selected by diversity > >> parameters ( gender, region, age, necomer-oldcomer, etc). Thanks > >> again, > > > > _______________________________________________ > > diversity mailing list > > diversity@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > > > > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity _______________________________________________ diversity mailing list diversity@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity From abdussalambaryun@gmail.com Wed Jul 31 09:38:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CA221F9A1E for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:38:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 41wH5UGH2t+B for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-x22d.google.com (mail-pb0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::22d]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F48621F8617 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id mc8so982035pbc.4 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:38:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DzJ6LiIa7AU3wodEHFIuraZJpG2CF00gYpkOg9vk/HM=; b=sMrFF8+apcKw3ESbqOrmv18jFgJcRdMOhF9uBcpKlFFVZQgdvhzGDJZsuv15BmWvqy 3X38pZAd+yIg8ZbRiMtO1OIxJBfH3o9xW2VDwBgBDoXUEkJS7UXOMU3E2VtOv+MTdu/b 4IRVg4TsznS1DCCX+02kzRxfIxmYe5Gvj+9PqCE1skYIKVebyNxVd/0TA9ABYGVSbyhY ffAJPpWGNBPZyGvPFCcPmL0vREsnMMwn2jglKao1Z6V5otFidv4JCrYprSaTFUgjGp8z y7WRZCan7N85tgqvOrG2cK3j2qcM7M0I+zJbpADilXeBZIj7t7RKCeihpSP67DJfssXL jjaA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.25.133 with SMTP id c5mr69307646pag.4.1375288704661; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.250.133 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 09:38:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:38:24 +0100 Message-ID: From: Abdussalam Baryun To: "Moriarty, Kathleen" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52bed09b47d5c04e2d15a60 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" , "presnick@qti.qualcomm.com" , Aaron Yi DING Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:38:26 -0000 --bcaec52bed09b47d5c04e2d15a60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Kathleen, I thank you very much, I need to know the progress so far. I know that you and others are doing excellent work, but I like to follow up and while that make my comments, I think that is the IETF culture or best practice for IETF progress. I really don't care if I was listed because I know that IETF still need help to adjust that problem, but my aim now is to make progress in diversity in the direction of the community wellings not others. So my questions that were not answered, is what is the milestones worked on so far, or even initial points your team is working on. Thanks for your reply. AB On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen < kathleen.moriarty@emc.com> wrote: > We would love to hear from you and anyone else interested in contributing! > > If you want to send input to the design team about issues and potential > solutions: > diversity-dt@ietf.org > If you want to discuss diversity issues in general use the open diversity > discussion list > diversity@ietf.org > > > Thank you, > Kathleen & Suresh > ________________________________________ > From: diversity-bounces@ietf.org [diversity-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Aaron Yi DING [Aaron.Ding@cl.cam.ac.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:46 AM > To: abdussalambaryun@gmail.com > Cc: diversity@ietf.org; presnick@qti.qualcomm.com > Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF > > On 31/07/13 16:25, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > > > > Ok, if it is open why I was not listed, or how can I be listed, or who > > is editing such list. However, I remember that this diversity thing > > started by an email distributed signed by the some of the community sent > > to IETF list and asking if we want to sign it, I remember I signed it and > > replied, after that I see that there is a TEAM with few names, not sure > > what happend. > > > Thanks for your enthusiasm. > > To be frank, a proper question being asked shall be "How can I contribute?" > This is an open forum and everyone can contribute to improve the diversity > of IETF. Getting names on the list means responsibility, not just being > listed. > > > > > > Maybe there was a side meeting (or I call hidden meeting from IETF). Is > > side meetings help diversity, no I think it does not, > > > Please be little bit more patient, your eagerness are felt, but sometimes > the judgement is too harsh. > > Aaron > > > > > > > AB On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen > > wrote: > > > > That is correct, the diversity list is open and we will have a > > summary of suggested initiatives for the design team to research tonight. > > To the specific point below, we will do our best to also do outreach to > > speak with a wide range of people. > > > > Thank you! > > Kathleen > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 3:37 PM, "Arturo Servin" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > AFAIK anyone can participate. You just have to said "I". > > > > > > Regards, > > > as > > > > > > On 7/31/13 2:45 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > > >> I would prefer that the design team are selected by diversity > > >> parameters ( gender, region, age, necomer-oldcomer, etc). Thanks > > >> again, > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > diversity mailing list > > > diversity@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > diversity mailing list > > diversity@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > --bcaec52bed09b47d5c04e2d15a60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Kathleen,
=A0
I thank you very= much, I need to know the progress so far. I know that you and others are d= oing excellent work, but I like to follow up and while that make my comment= s, I think that is the IETF culture or best practice for IETF progress. I r= eally don't care if I was listed because I know that IETF still need he= lp to adjust that problem, but my aim now is to make progress in diversity = in the direction of the community wellings not others.
=A0
So my questions that were not answered, is what is the m= ilestones worked on so far, or even initial points your team is working on.= Thanks for your reply.
=A0
AB


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Moriart= y, Kathleen <kathleen.moriarty@emc.com> wrote:
We would love to hear from you and anyone else interested in contributing!<= br>
If you want to send input to the design team about issues and potential sol= utions:
=A0 =A0 =A0 diversity-dt@ietf.org<= /a>
If you want to discuss diversity issues in general use the open diversity d= iscussion list
=A0 =A0 =A0 diversity@ietf.org

Thank you,
Kathleen & Suresh
________________________________________
From: diversity-bounces@ietf.= org [diversity-bounces@ie= tf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Yi DING [Aaron.Ding@cl.cam.ac.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:46 AM
To: abdussalambaryun@gmail.co= m
Cc: diversity@ietf.org; presnick@qti.qualcomm.com
Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF

On 31/07/13 16:25, Abdussalam Baryun wrote:
>
> Ok, if it is open why I was not listed, or how can I be listed, or who=
> is editing such list. However, I remember that this diversity thing > started by an email distributed signed by the some of the community se= nt
> to IETF list and asking if we want to sign it, I remember I signed it = and
> replied, after that I see that there is a TEAM with few names, not sur= e
> what happend.


Thanks for your enthusiasm.

To be frank, a proper question being asked shall be "How can I contrib= ute?"
This is an open forum and everyone can contribute to improve the diversity<= br> of IETF. Getting names on the list means responsibility, not just being
listed.


>
> Maybe there was a side meeting (or I call hidden meeting from IETF). I= s
> side meetings help diversity, no I think it does not,


Please be little bit more patient, your eagerness are felt, but sometimes the judgement is too harsh.

Aaron



>
> AB On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen
> <kathleen.moriarty@emc= .com> wrote:
>
> =A0 =A0 That is correct, the diversity list is open and we will have a=
> summary of suggested initiatives for the design team to research tonig= ht.
> To the specific point below, we will do our best to also do outreach t= o
> speak with a wide range of people.
>
> =A0 =A0 Thank you!
> =A0 =A0 Kathleen
>
> =A0 =A0 Sent from my iPhone
>
> =A0 =A0 On Jul 31, 2013, at 3:37 PM, "Arturo Servin"
> <arturo.servin@gmail.com= > wrote:
>
> =A0 =A0 >
> =A0 =A0 > =A0 =A0AFAIK anyone can participate. You just have to sai= d "I".
> =A0 =A0 >
> =A0 =A0 > Regards,
> =A0 =A0 > as
> =A0 =A0 >
> =A0 =A0 > On 7/31/13 2:45 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote:
> =A0 =A0 >> I would prefer that the design team are selected by d= iversity
> =A0 =A0 >> parameters ( gender, region, age, necomer-oldcomer, e= tc). Thanks
> =A0 =A0 >> again,
> =A0 =A0 >
> =A0 =A0 > _______________________________________________
> =A0 =A0 > diversity mailing list
> =A0 =A0 > diversity@ietf.org<= /a>
> =A0 =A0 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > =A0 =A0 >
>
> _______________________________________________
> diversity mailing list
> diversity@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity

_______________________________________________
diversity mailing list
diversity@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity

--bcaec52bed09b47d5c04e2d15a60-- From kathleen.moriarty@emc.com Wed Jul 31 10:02:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DFD21F9C26 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:02:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yfj0eU-fCUQb for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexforward.lss.emc.com (hop-nat-141.emc.com [168.159.213.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A13F21F9B5F for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hop04-l1d11-si04.isus.emc.com (HOP04-L1D11-SI04.isus.emc.com [10.254.111.24]) by mexforward.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6VH01DP005168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:00:05 -0400 Received: from mailhub.lss.emc.com (mailhubhoprd05.lss.emc.com [10.254.222.129]) by hop04-l1d11-si04.isus.emc.com (RSA Interceptor); Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:59:51 -0400 Received: from mxhub01.corp.emc.com (mxhub01.corp.emc.com [10.254.141.103]) by mailhub.lss.emc.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id r6VGxoeO013807; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:59:51 -0400 Received: from mxhub39.corp.emc.com (128.222.70.106) by mxhub01.corp.emc.com (10.254.141.103) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.297.1; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:59:50 -0400 Received: from mx15a.corp.emc.com ([169.254.1.184]) by mxhub39.corp.emc.com ([128.222.70.106]) with mapi; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:59:49 -0400 From: "Moriarty, Kathleen" To: Abdussalam Baryun Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 12:47:43 -0400 Thread-Topic: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF Thread-Index: Ac6ODO9+DwlHIMgxQQquh7Yc1egl3QAAL1YP Message-ID: References: , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-EMM-MHVC: 1 Cc: "diversity@ietf.org" , "presnick@qti.qualcomm.com" , Aaron Yi DING Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:02:05 -0000 Hello AB, We will be providing a summary shortly in the plenary. I believe the plena= ry is accessible via meet echo if you are not able to be in the room or nee= d to watch the session later. We will work on milestones for the research initiatives that will be mentio= ned soon. Thank you, Kathleen ________________________________________ From: Abdussalam Baryun [abdussalambaryun@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:38 PM To: Moriarty, Kathleen Cc: Aaron Yi DING; diversity@ietf.org; presnick@qti.qualcomm.com Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF Hi Kathleen, I thank you very much, I need to know the progress so far. I know that you = and others are doing excellent work, but I like to follow up and while that= make my comments, I think that is the IETF culture or best practice for IE= TF progress. I really don't care if I was listed because I know that IETF s= till need help to adjust that problem, but my aim now is to make progress i= n diversity in the direction of the community wellings not others. So my questions that were not answered, is what is the milestones worked on= so far, or even initial points your team is working on. Thanks for your re= ply. AB On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen > wrote: We would love to hear from you and anyone else interested in contributing! If you want to send input to the design team about issues and potential sol= utions: diversity-dt@ietf.org If you want to discuss diversity issues in general use the open diversity d= iscussion list diversity@ietf.org Thank you, Kathleen & Suresh ________________________________________ From: diversity-bounces@ietf.org [divers= ity-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron= Yi DING [Aaron.Ding@cl.cam.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:46 AM To: abdussalambaryun@gmail.com Cc: diversity@ietf.org; presnick@qti.qualcomm.co= m Subject: Re: [Diversity] setting a goal for an inclusive IETF On 31/07/13 16:25, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > > Ok, if it is open why I was not listed, or how can I be listed, or who > is editing such list. However, I remember that this diversity thing > started by an email distributed signed by the some of the community sent > to IETF list and asking if we want to sign it, I remember I signed it and > replied, after that I see that there is a TEAM with few names, not sure > what happend. Thanks for your enthusiasm. To be frank, a proper question being asked shall be "How can I contribute?" This is an open forum and everyone can contribute to improve the diversity of IETF. Getting names on the list means responsibility, not just being listed. > > Maybe there was a side meeting (or I call hidden meeting from IETF). Is > side meetings help diversity, no I think it does not, Please be little bit more patient, your eagerness are felt, but sometimes the judgement is too harsh. Aaron > > AB On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen > > wrote: > > That is correct, the diversity list is open and we will have a > summary of suggested initiatives for the design team to research tonight. > To the specific point below, we will do our best to also do outreach to > speak with a wide range of people. > > Thank you! > Kathleen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 3:37 PM, "Arturo Servin" > > wrote: > > > > > AFAIK anyone can participate. You just have to said "I". > > > > Regards, > > as > > > > On 7/31/13 2:45 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: > >> I would prefer that the design team are selected by diversity > >> parameters ( gender, region, age, necomer-oldcomer, etc). Thanks > >> again, > > > > _______________________________________________ > > diversity mailing list > > diversity@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity > > > > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity _______________________________________________ diversity mailing list diversity@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity From marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca Wed Jul 31 10:25:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10F421E8102; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:24:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.58 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.58 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SO9ZvCYo9b8l; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDECD21E80D9; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 10:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h195.viagenie.ca (h195.viagenie.ca [206.123.31.195]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2453440415; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 13:24:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Blanchet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:24:27 +0200 Message-Id: <446310CD-431D-4F1E-9BC7-AFFE7AF66FFF@viagenie.ca> To: diversity-dt@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:04:13 -0700 Cc: diversity@ietf.org Subject: [Diversity] plenary presentation comments X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:25:10 -0000 I haven't followed the diversity ML, so sorry if comments are = redundant/inappropriate I really support and welcome the suggestions about: - code of conduct (I have many ideas in my head about that subject) - no reference to country/... history or else. I'm not sure about: - ombudperson - translations (nice but so much work and costs) and finally, I really support this work. Regards, marc.= From sm@resistor.net Wed Jul 31 11:31:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA50411E80ED for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:31:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MxU3BtL7Lc9z for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA0611E80E9 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.resistor.net (IDENT:sm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r6VIUsL3020845; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:30:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1375295459; bh=G19Uc+WD5F6pPWQ7FG6Q/aoKiNSue9fXbV0tujS2R60=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=RV/sjO+qmnkRSE3aJpu8wuP4HNkSi6FDTqLWz3KUmPshIDVXl/6pmqadnABpytLsE 6cl3/m+DhhCCfoOTb9DxDGh8qVgNevCrEpXFHYncjAPZEeu3Kh4f+LUo4AtSs1+fhO xpo4QSNZS2zq4sGCxs7DtUqZVfZjV4YQlWT66jjE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=resistor.net; s=mail; t=1375295459; i=@resistor.net; bh=G19Uc+WD5F6pPWQ7FG6Q/aoKiNSue9fXbV0tujS2R60=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=ulg+gX+v38r+J1EFCSdEInWK9CsYNkA3E2rr/LCW91Sa4OFIMBaQWb25hw5hkHpLy RVhrlsSla1EiCwrYu76nFcutyy7CT9Cb8W+XwXr/MOntQ99LziDdPFQ852qROX/xUT /uE7GhOS2c0xeF4mYtKknUCksdjocoPQkokshQ94= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130731112619.0c894d28@resistor.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 11:30:01 -0700 To: Marc Blanchet From: SM In-Reply-To: <446310CD-431D-4F1E-9BC7-AFFE7AF66FFF@viagenie.ca> References: <446310CD-431D-4F1E-9BC7-AFFE7AF66FFF@viagenie.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: diversity@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diversity] plenary presentation comments X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:31:02 -0000 Hi Marc, At 10:24 31-07-2013, Marc Blanchet wrote: >I haven't followed the diversity ML, so sorry if comments are >redundant/inappropriate > >I really support and welcome the suggestions about: >- code of conduct (I have many ideas in my head about that subject) >- no reference to country/... history or else. Thanks for providing feedback. Could you post some ideas about the code of conduct? In my opinion it would be helpful as a way to start the discussion. Thanks, -sm From oej@edvina.net Wed Jul 31 14:24:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: diversity@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC8D21F9C82; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:24:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.448 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.448 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MANGLED_TOOL=2.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9dk30ws4+3Uo; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [IPv6:2a02:920:212e::205]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6D321F9C8B; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.122.157.250] (unknown [217.9.101.140]) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 18F6E93C2A1; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 21:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_37336BA4-8A19-4BC6-BF04-E2BA2230E6FE" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) From: "Olle E. Johansson" In-Reply-To: <446310CD-431D-4F1E-9BC7-AFFE7AF66FFF@viagenie.ca> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 23:22:07 +0200 Message-Id: <9B048CEF-5414-4084-B430-73C137B3C903@edvina.net> References: <446310CD-431D-4F1E-9BC7-AFFE7AF66FFF@viagenie.ca> To: Marc Blanchet X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Cc: diversity@ietf.org, diversity-dt@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diversity] plenary presentation comments X-BeenThere: diversity@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Diversity open mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 21:24:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_37336BA4-8A19-4BC6-BF04-E2BA2230E6FE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 31 jul 2013 kl. 19:24 skrev Marc Blanchet : > I haven't followed the diversity ML, so sorry if comments are = redundant/inappropriate Also new to this list :-) >=20 > I really support and welcome the suggestions about: > - code of conduct (I have many ideas in my head about that subject) Good. Let's hear them.=20 > - no reference to country/... history or else. ? >=20 > I'm not sure about: > - ombudperson That's a nice swedish word. What's your problem? ;-) Maybe the mentor group could act as ombudsmen and try to resolve issues = with wg chairs, if the issue is an issue within a wg meeting. > - translations (nice but so much work and costs) I think this should be done and propable be in a welcome pack for = newcomers. >=20 > and finally, I really support this work. Me too - +1! I was very impressed over the professional presentation and am proud = that the IETF=20 is doing this work. It will lead to better output and better meetings. /O >=20 > Regards, marc. > _______________________________________________ > diversity mailing list > diversity@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity --- * Olle E Johansson - oej@edvina.net * Cell phone +46 70 593 68 51, Office +46 8 96 40 20, Sweden --Apple-Mail=_37336BA4-8A19-4BC6-BF04-E2BA2230E6FE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca>= ;:

I haven't followed the diversity ML, so sorry if comments = are redundant/inappropriate
Also new to this list = :-)

I really support and welcome the = suggestions about:
- code of conduct  (I have many ideas in my = head about that subject)
Good. Let's hear = them. 

- no reference to = country/... history or else.
?

I'm not sure about:
- = ombudperson
That's a nice swedish word. What's your = problem? ;-)

Maybe the mentor group could act = as ombudsmen and try to resolve issues with wg chairs, if the issue is = an issue within a wg meeting.

- = translations (nice but so much work and costs)
I think = this should be done and propable be in a welcome pack for = newcomers.


and finally, I = really support this work.
Me too - = +1!

I was very impressed over the professional = presentation and am proud that the IETF 
is doing this = work. It will lead to better output and better = meetings.

/O

Regards, = marc.
_______________________________________________
diversity = mailing list
diversity@ietf.org
https://www.i= etf.org/mailman/listinfo/diversity

---
* Olle E = Johansson - oej@edvina.net
* Cell phone = +46 70 593 68 51, Office +46 8 96 40 20, Sweden



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