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picked up by the Computing Review, by a couple of ietfers (e.g., Jouni
Korhonen, J=C3=B6rg Ott, Jon Crowcroft)

http://www.computingreviews.com/Browse/Browse_titles2.cfm?journal_id=3D6052

Bridging the gap between Internet standardization and networking research

---------------------------------------
ACM Computing Review
"
Bridging the gap between the network research community and Internet
standards is an important topic. Most network research has not been turned
into an Internet standard, while some research comes a long way in order to
become an Internet standard. Very few studies investigate this issue
because it extends beyond purely technical concerns.

The authors have an advantage in investigating this issue since they have
tightly collaborated on projects with academic researchers and industrial
professionals. They thoroughly present their observations and share their
experiences in this paper. The challenges for this gap are defined in two
parts: technical challenges and nontechnical challenges. A good point is
that the authors share the nontechnical challenges that might be ignored by
researchers and industrial professionals. The authors, aware of the gap,
also find two major opportunities that can extend research works to
standardization contributions, which is encouraging to networking
researchers.

Based on their past experiences, the authors share two concrete case
studies: mobile traffic offloading and Internet protocol version 6 (IPv6)
transition technologies. The mobile traffic offloading case shows
substantial scientific results, but it also shows an under-performing
standardization effort. This case proves that the proposal, which does not
fit in an existing mindset, is usually a failure. On the other hand, the
case of IPv6 transition technologies shows good results in both academia
and industry, because the research proposal has extensibility and minimum
impact on the existing infrastructure. The authors then share their lessons
and suggestions to bridge the gap. These are honest and useful to both
academia and industry. Readers will see the potential for comprehensive
collaboration between networking research and Internet standardization.
"

----------------------
ACM SIGCOMM CCR chief editor:

"Its focus is to identify ways to bridge the gap between the networking
community and the Internet standardization bodies. The authors, from
Broadcom, Nokia, University of Cambridge, Aalto University and University
of Helsinki, are describing the differences and similarities between how
the two communities operate. They further provide interesting data on the
participation of academic and industrial researchers in standardization
bodies. They discuss ways to minimize the friction that may exist as a
particular technology is making the leap from the scientific community into
the industry."


Two cents,
Aaron

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http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ad707/

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<div dir=3D"ltr">picked up by the Computing Review, by a couple of ietfers =
(e.g., Jouni Korhonen, J=C3=B6rg Ott, Jon Crowcroft)<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.computingreviews.com/Browse/Browse_titles2.cfm?journa=
l_id=3D6052">http://www.computingreviews.com/Browse/Browse_titles2.cfm?jour=
nal_id=3D6052</a><br>
<br>
Bridging the gap between Internet standardization and networking research<b=
r>
<br>
---------------------------------------<br>
ACM Computing Review<br>
&quot;<br>
Bridging the gap between the network research community and Internet=20
standards is an important topic. Most network research has not been=20
turned into an Internet standard, while some research comes a long way=20
in order to become an Internet standard. Very few studies investigate=20
this issue because it extends beyond purely technical concerns.<br>
<br>
The
 authors have an advantage in investigating this issue since they have=20
tightly collaborated on projects with academic researchers and=20
industrial professionals. They thoroughly present their observations and
 share their experiences in this paper. The challenges for this gap are=20
defined in two parts: technical challenges and nontechnical challenges. A
 good point is that the authors share the nontechnical challenges that=20
might be ignored by researchers and industrial professionals. The=20
authors, aware of the gap, also find two major opportunities that can=20
extend research works to standardization contributions, which is=20
encouraging to networking researchers.<br>
<br>
Based on their past=20
experiences, the authors share two concrete case studies: mobile traffic
 offloading and Internet protocol version 6 (IPv6) transition=20
technologies. The mobile traffic offloading case shows substantial=20
scientific results, but it also shows an under-performing=20
standardization effort. This case proves that the proposal, which does=20
not fit in an existing mindset, is usually a failure. On the other hand,
 the case of IPv6 transition technologies shows good results in both=20
academia and industry, because the research proposal has extensibility=20
and minimum impact on the existing infrastructure. The authors then=20
share their lessons and suggestions to bridge the gap. These are honest=20
and useful to both academia and industry. Readers will see the potential
 for comprehensive collaboration between networking research and=20
Internet standardization.<br>
&quot;<br>
<br>
----------------------<br>
ACM SIGCOMM CCR chief editor: <br>
<br>
&quot;Its focus is to identify ways to bridge the gap between the networkin=
g=20
community and the Internet standardization bodies. The authors, from=20
Broadcom, Nokia, University of Cambridge, Aalto University and=20
University of Helsinki, are describing the differences and similarities=20
between how the two communities operate. They further provide=20
interesting data on the participation of academic and industrial=20
researchers in standardization bodies. They discuss ways to minimize the
 friction that may exist as a particular technology is making the leap=20
from the scientific community into the industry.&quot;<br>
<br>
<br>
Two cents,<br>
Aaron=C2=A0<br><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>-----------<br><a href=3D"http://www.cl=
.cam.ac.uk/%7Ead707/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ad707/</a>=
</div>
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IMHO, the fellowship team need to present their efforts more to us, I would
like to see a discussion from them on ISOC lists or on this with the
community. Why did n't the program team communicate with the
applicants/community together to know exactly how to select for better
results in the past?

Just for a real case record, there was no chance for me this year also to
get the followship, I got a message saying:
{...
In reviewing the applications, the Selection Committee took into
considerati on the qualification criteria, the overall goals of the
program, and a desire to provide opportunities to individuals from a broad
geographic spectrum. As I'm sure you will appreciate, the decision was very
difficult, and we regret to inform you that the Selection Committee chose
other candidates to receive the Fellowship at this time. This does not
reflect on your candidacy but rather on the size and strength of the pool
of applications, and we regret that we are not able to accept more
candidates for this round.
...}

If you regret then on this list we may find a solution for the problem. The
size of the applicants is getting larger (shows some interest but not real
attraction to participate), so what is your current solution ISOC? What
about the team size is it large as well or the size of accepted-fellowship
is not matching? Could you inform us what is your parameters of selection
within a draft, so the community can understand? What is the participation
volume of the ones accepted so far for the last 5 years, so to report your
efficiency in selecting the right interested-people?

 That message did not attract me as a remote participant that applied. It
was the last effort to try, don't know what are the statistics
of remote-participants applying many times. I was only able to attend one
day meeting of 89 meeting. However, the draft under discussion may add
statistics of community inputs/applications and attractions, to show real
reflections of such program.

Best Wishes,
AB

On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Abdussalam Baryun <
abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Adiel,
>
> I support your input as well. The fellowship program need to know what
> IETF thinks about them. The change of the title of the draft is not a
> good idea, and the solution of the attraction of regions is not only
> fellowship. The draft has good points or intentions but not having
> real case studies, I think your real example will help to be added to
> the weak fellowship impact of attracting new comers from unaware
> regions.
>
> AB
>
> On 10/11/13, Adiel Akplogan <adiel@afrinic.net> wrote:
> > As I already mentioned in one of my previous mail, I think it will be
> good
> > (and better) to widen the scope of this kind of draft to address general
> > issue and set general guideline (not focus just one initiative which is
> ISOC
> > fellowship). At AFRINIC we also have some regional initiatives to support
> > participation to IETF we have created back in 2006 an IETF fellowship
> > through which we have sent 2 people selected from the community to the
> IETF,
> > but unfortunately it has not produced the result we expected. We focus
> our
> > effort right now on raising awareness within students and universities
> and
> > our own staff. That being said we are very keen to do more and revive an
> > improved felowship program. A draft like this can be of interest to our
> > fellowship program team.
> >
> > - a.
> >
>

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<div>IMHO, the fellowship team need to present their efforts more to us, I =
would like to see a discussion from them on ISOC lists or on this with the =
community. Why did n&#39;t the program team communicate with the applicants=
/community together to know exactly how to select for better results in the=
 past?</div>

<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Just for a real case record, there was no chance for me this year also=
 to get the followship, I got a message saying:</div>
<div>{...</div>
<div>In reviewing the applications, the Selection Committee took into consi=
derati on the qualification criteria, the overall goals of the program, and=
 a desire to provide opportunities to individuals from a broad geographic s=
pectrum. As I&#39;m sure you will appreciate, the decision was very difficu=
lt, and we regret to inform you that the Selection Committee chose other ca=
ndidates to receive the Fellowship at this time. This does not reflect on y=
our candidacy but rather on the size and strength of the pool of applicatio=
ns, and we regret that we are not able to accept more candidates for this r=
ound.</div>

<div>...}</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>If you regret then on this list we may find a solution for the problem=
. The size of the applicants is getting larger (shows some interest but not=
 real attraction to participate), so what is your current solution ISOC? Wh=
at about the team=C2=A0size is it large as well or the size of=C2=A0accepte=
d-fellowship is not matching? Could you inform us what is your=C2=A0paramet=
ers of selection within a draft, so the community can understand? What is t=
he participation volume of the ones accepted so far for the last 5 years, s=
o to report your efficiency in selecting the right interested-people?</div>

<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0That message did not attract me as a remote participant that app=
lied. It was the last effort to try, don&#39;t know what are the statistics=
 of=C2=A0remote-participants applying many times. I was only able to attend=
 one day meeting of 89 meeting. However, the draft under discussion may add=
 statistics of community inputs/applications and attractions, to show real =
reflections of such program.</div>

<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Best Wishes,</div>
<div>AB<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Abdussalam Bar=
yun <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:abdussalambaryun@gmail.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">abdussalambaryun@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Hi Adiel,<br><br>I support your input=
 as well. The fellowship program need to know what<br>IETF thinks about the=
m. The change of the title of the draft is not a<br>
good idea, and the solution of the attraction of regions is not only<br>fel=
lowship. The draft has good points or intentions but not having<br>real cas=
e studies, I think your real example will help to be added to<br>the weak f=
ellowship impact of attracting new comers from unaware<br>
regions.<br><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>AB<br></font=
></span>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb">
<div class=3D"h5"><br>On 10/11/13, Adiel Akplogan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adi=
el@afrinic.net">adiel@afrinic.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; As I already menti=
oned in one of my previous mail, I think it will be good<br>&gt; (and bette=
r) to widen the scope of this kind of draft to address general<br>
&gt; issue and set general guideline (not focus just one initiative which i=
s ISOC<br>&gt; fellowship). At AFRINIC we also have some regional initiativ=
es to support<br>&gt; participation to IETF we have created back in 2006 an=
 IETF fellowship<br>
&gt; through which we have sent 2 people selected from the community to the=
 IETF,<br>&gt; but unfortunately it has not produced the result we expected=
. We focus our<br>&gt; effort right now on raising awareness within student=
s and universities and<br>
&gt; our own staff. That being said we are very keen to do more and revive =
an<br>&gt; improved felowship program. A draft like this can be of interest=
 to our<br>&gt; fellowship program team.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; - a.<br>&gt; </div=
>
</div></blockquote></div>

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