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A new list has been created for fixed mobile convergence (FMC)
discussions, fmc@ietf.org.

If interested, please subscribe the list using this link:

https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fmc

Regards,

Behcet & Dirk

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Hi,
 the description of the mailing list says: " serving access to =
multi-interface terminals".  Looks like MIF to me.
- how is this different from MIF?
- why did the MIF ML was not part of the "multicast"?

Marc.

Le 2012-04-04 =E0 11:36, Behcet Sarikaya a =E9crit :

> A new list has been created for fixed mobile convergence (FMC)
> discussions, fmc@ietf.org.
>=20
> If interested, please subscribe the list using this link:
>=20
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fmc
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> Regards,
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> Behcet & Dirk
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From mkomu@cs.hut.fi  Mon Apr  9 05:27:01 2012
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Hi,

while writing my dissertation related to the topic, I couldn't help 
spotting few issues from draft-perkins-dmm-matrix-03 in section 3.7, 
"HIP/LISP".

I realize that you're tight on space especially in Table 1 but I think 
HIP and LISP focus on different problems, and it would be useful to 
separate them into different sections. HIP focuses on mobility and 
security where as LISP tries to improve routing scalability. Also, the 
standardized HIP is deployed on end-hosts where as LISP is deployed on 
edge routers.

HIP is "backhaul" friendly as it's deployed to the end-host. When an 
application on a HIP-capable host communicates with HIP-incapable host, 
it just uses regular IP addresses instead of HITs. Thus, no proxy is 
needed and the following statement is incorrect in section 3.7:

   4.  backhaul friendly: HIP/LISP both use routing address for packet
        routing; there is no centralized anchor point in the data plane.
        But for communication to other hosts which are not located in the
        HIP/LISP domain, a gateway function is needed and the data
        traffic is constrained to travel through the gateway.

As an author of RFC6317, I'd like to state that it is not widely used 
yet (if at all) and it is completely optional. The legacy-compatible way 
of using HIP as specified RFC5338 is the prevalent way of using HIP. So 
I would say that the following statement about HIP is incorrect (and the 
"may" statement was further incorrectly applied in table 1):

    5.  app friendly: LISP does not require application modification.
        HIP may require application modification [RFC 6317].

There is something wrong with XML as points 7 and 8 are somehow convoluted:

    7.  Local routing: For communication within the HIP/LISP domain, HIP/
        LISP can support local routing since the routing is based on
        routing prefix instead of host indentification and there is no
        cent

    8.  ralized anchor point.

Regarding to point 7, HIP can route local traffic locally as it is an 
end-to-end protocol.

Finally, the table 1 in section "Matrix Comparing Existing Approaches 
for DMM" should be adjusted according to my corrections:

backhaul friendly: should be Y for HIP (and probably N for LISP)

app friendly: should be Y for HIP and Y for LISP

local routing: should be Y for HIP (and Y for LISP, at least according 
to the explaining text)

Thanks!

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Folks,

Combined drafty draft meeting minutes are now available:
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/minutes/minutes-83-dmm.txt

Provide your feedback by the end of next week. These are combined
from multiple sources so they are likely to contain copy-paste
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- Jouni & Julien

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(Apologies if you receive multiple copies of this CFP.)

			Call For Papers - MobiArch 2012
      7th ACM Workshop on Mobility in the Evolving Internet Architecture
     In conjunction with ACM MOBICOM 2012, August 22-26, Istanbul, Turkey
   	http://www.sigmobile.org/mobicom/2012/workshops.html
                http://www.research.att.com/~rjana/mobiarch.html

Aim and Scope
-------------
The objective of this workshop is to provide a single forum for 
researchers and technologists to present the state-of-the-art 
contributions and discuss future directions in hot topics such as 
"economics and sustainability" and "mobile cloud computing" related to 
the architectures, services and applications in a mobile Internet era.

The workshop will be organized in a manner designed to foster 
interaction and exchange of ideas among the participants. Besides paper 
presentations, time will be allocated to open discussion forums, 
informal discussions and panels. In addition to regular papers, vision 
or work-in-progress papers are also invited to stimulate debates on open 
problems and challenges. Proposals for panels are also solicited. Panel 
topics on emerging or even provocative topics that will generate lively 
discussions are especially welcome.

Topics of interest for technical papers include, but are not limited to 
the following:

Mobile pricing, incentives, network economics
---------------------------------------------
- Technological and socio-economic aspects of mobile architectures, 
protocol design
- Network pricing and congestion control
- Wireless network neutrality
- Cooperative schemes leveraging incentives
- Economics of dynamic spectrum sharing
- Incentive-aware wireless resource scheduling
- Economics of deployment (infrastructure, devices and services)
- Challenges and innovative pricing opportunities of mobile 
applications, social networking, advertisements
- Performance and Fairness issues for an incentivized mobile network
- Incentive mechanisms for mobile network security and privacy
- Economic considerations in offering mobile computing services

Mobile cloud technology and services
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- Mobile platforms, systems, applications, and services integrating with 
the clouds
- Performance evaluation, measurement, and modeling of cloud based 
mobile services and applications
- Resource discovery, allocation, scheduling, and management for cloud 
based mobile services
- Partitioning technologies distributing computing workloads between 
clouds and mobile devices
- Mobile web services integrating cloud computing infrastructure
- Security and privacy issues for integrating clouds with mobile services
- Mobile virtualization techniques and platforms
- Economic analysis, revenue models, billing techniques for cloud based 
mobile services
- Network and storage architectures for mobile clouds
- Processing, mining, and storage of mobile context data using clouds

Submissions will be solicited and all papers are subject to single blind 
reviews. Full technical papers: up to 6 pages in ACM format. Short 
position or demo papers: up to 2 pages in ACM format

Workshop Deadlines
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Abstracts due: May 20th, 2012
Submissions due: May 27th, 2012
Notification to authors: June 18, 2012
Camera-ready copy due: July 2, 2012

Paper Submission site: 
http://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=mobiarch2012


Workshop Chairs
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Rittwik Jana, AT&T Labs Research, USA
Xiaoming Fu, University of Goettingen, Germany
K K Ramakrishnan, AT&T Labs Research, USA


Steering Committee:
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Jon Crowcroft, University of Cambridge, UK
Lars Eggert, Nokia Research Center, Finland
Xiaoming Fu, University of Goettingen, Germany
Marco Gruteser, Rutgers University, USA
Katherine Guo, Bell Laboratories, USA
Jörg Ott, Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Henning Schulzrinne, Columbia University, USA