From charliep@computer.org Tue Oct 2 16:41:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B82221F8522 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 16:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8r3yH7EvoeBt for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 16:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B4921F851E for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 16:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [12.207.18.42] (helo=[192.168.253.71]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TJC5e-0006uh-T1; Tue, 02 Oct 2012 19:41:26 -0400 Message-ID: <506B7B9C.9090003@computer.org> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:41:16 -0700 From: "Charles E. Perkins" Organization: Saratoga Blue Skies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sarikaya@ieee.org References: <5063581D.5040403@mti-systems.com> <50635C23.50907@mti-systems.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 137d7d78656ed6919973fd6a8f21c4f2d780f4a490ca6956d5d4673fe7faad867f80608e4453bb81f791e30423ae4b7b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 12.207.18.42 Cc: dmm@ietf.org, Behcet Sarikaya Subject: Re: [DMM] Comments on DMM Gap Analysis. X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:41:31 -0000 Hello Behcet, I'm very curious: On 9/26/2012 1:08 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > With the cloud, two mobility entities may now become IPv6 neighbors in > the cloud. Trying to define signaling between such entities maybe no > longer a big issue. With cloud, DMM's premise somewhat disappears. We > need to find a new premise. How is it that the mobility entities are "more neighborly" than they would be in physical IPv6 networks? How would there be information about whether the mobility entities are in the same cloud or different clouds? I do think that clouds are interesting, but it's not immediately obvious to me how they change the fundamental nature of the DMM problem. -- Regards, Charlie P. From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Wed Oct 3 08:45:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A21121F8594 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 08:45:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.472 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.472 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.127, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hD2qxtSdR-Ps for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 08:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C1121F8578 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 08:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iec9 with SMTP id 9so20207033iec.31 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:45:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=alDCvlZi2FxmfKTPET9BCyqJHfK0z96LtXj7i2pLfDg=; b=sJ6wBVKK/WYGOCXx4t29qtDDpqEgV5bhsPE/1kIn9+kdPrRCWHHmSdAToz/ZGmCZ2p ZzeEeOTU0Li9CkKgFYztPjctBGPvzkwBWAUmAbYz40S9t/fOscoGpp7BbL2Lw6njbj7B ijOAzCMa6VvVIPpcqhUopEkVO4NM6kUWledfhWWUfh+7ijUDaLw/BD4SGHbjuELt3BQF +lWag4rEnHcvO3Ke4Urz6Zcsik7iDGNDy2nSosL0oryk1jIEahKfqfsDVJd2JCr9NXSr W8YMdcBlQ9jcFqHfmh9D4EjrJZG80F7niSv0nsYR8xKIjtLxgEHIjzhnHoo5vw2/EDCt 33Jg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.32.74 with SMTP id c10mr1877269icd.36.1349279100766; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 08:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.85.26 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 08:45:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <506B7B9C.9090003@computer.org> References: <5063581D.5040403@mti-systems.com> <50635C23.50907@mti-systems.com> <506B7B9C.9090003@computer.org> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:45:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: "Charles E. Perkins" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: dmm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DMM] Comments on DMM Gap Analysis. X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:45:05 -0000 Hi Charlie, On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Charles E. Perkins wrote: > Hello Behcet, > > I'm very curious: > > > On 9/26/2012 1:08 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > >> With the cloud, two mobility entities may now become IPv6 neighbors in the >> cloud. Trying to define signaling between such entities maybe no longer a >> big issue. With cloud, DMM's premise somewhat disappears. We need to find a >> new premise. > > > How is it that the mobility entities are "more neighborly" than they would > be > in physical IPv6 networks? > > How would there be information about whether the mobility entities > are in the same cloud or different clouds? > In case of cloud networks, this is the only case we have to worry about. In dmm it is always the case. That is the difference. > I do think that clouds are interesting, but it's not immediately obvious > to me how they change the fundamental nature of the DMM problem. > Of course it would :-). Regards, Behcet From wes@mti-systems.com Wed Oct 3 10:45:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6908F21F867C for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:45:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5BE394IgL8PZ for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com (atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com [209.17.115.52]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2543B21F8578 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailpod.hostingplatform.com (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q93HjNFB031746 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 13:45:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 30758 invoked by uid 0); 3 Oct 2012 17:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.43.65?) (wes@mti-systems.com@107.45.91.244) by 0 with ESMTPA; 3 Oct 2012 17:45:22 -0000 Message-ID: <506C79A5.7050202@mti-systems.com> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:45:09 -0400 From: Wesley Eddy Organization: MTI Systems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sarikaya@ieee.org References: <5063581D.5040403@mti-systems.com> <50635C23.50907@mti-systems.com> <506B7B9C.9090003@computer.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: dmm@ietf.org, Behcet Sarikaya Subject: Re: [DMM] Comments on DMM Gap Analysis. X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:45:27 -0000 On 10/3/2012 11:45 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >> > I do think that clouds are interesting, but it's not immediately obvious >> > to me how they change the fundamental nature of the DMM problem. >> > > Of course it would :-). I don't think you've described how this is true yet in any of your messages. -- Wes Eddy MTI Systems From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Wed Oct 3 12:13:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FB51F041E for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:13:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.477 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.477 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.122, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tKdlJMk9tNu7 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1E81F041C for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obqv19 with SMTP id v19so9215819obq.31 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:13:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+DunzjOnPy1Y0p5unpJenQAh39Xe6BsIUEgGKAR+hps=; b=ZXHtaMaUjk7rlBxFgdY8NNA63Hjj9EBizaZsWP1L5/OwY2t/7+CjUSiDRY4YVbwTFE DGYTkB0n/VUuamksyU8+WGvx/lqCnfxIIPxHxvxHV6VxOAoq3CuPYK8OEzgQ1eWr49St cRc3FKhzj3X48SKPwntici19iDGu6XkJAxoBgK1SnHs1pnVeilAf8bZsdfgk4EJJE9PY QLuvv1tyleZ/A3/veyDZa1CBNX9fHG27ro7/CpL2dO0UxL2VklqXh4wcpSUG6jaCr1qV XcnTKRnSnSuwjn5OgafousErA1gSDehr9ET01Lis2cnMjuE7w7/GTr+3GEfgLTxu8rsg T92w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.170.110 with SMTP id al14mr2280051oec.120.1349291610659; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.66.193 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:13:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <506C79A5.7050202@mti-systems.com> References: <5063581D.5040403@mti-systems.com> <50635C23.50907@mti-systems.com> <506B7B9C.9090003@computer.org> <506C79A5.7050202@mti-systems.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:13:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: Wesley Eddy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: dmm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DMM] Comments on DMM Gap Analysis. X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:13:31 -0000 On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Wesley Eddy wrote: > On 10/3/2012 11:45 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >>> > I do think that clouds are interesting, but it's not immediately obvious >>> > to me how they change the fundamental nature of the DMM problem. >>> > >> Of course it would :-). > > > I don't think you've described how this is true yet in any of > your messages. So then why are you worried? What I am saying and it seems some people agree, is that there is something called cloud networks and operators are more and more committed to moving their networks into the cloud. It seems like, I am not sure of course, that this trend is somewhat different than what is assumed in dmm. So my suggestion is to the colleagues who are doing the gap analysis work to consider including the gap analysis on mobility protocols in cloud network as well as dmm gap analysis. It is just a friendly suggestion. 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([2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cn6sm16751882wib.9.2012.10.04.13.49.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:49:59 -0700 (PDT) From: jouni korhonen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 23:49:57 +0300 Message-Id: <91580547-F84B-49B4-A6E9-3FA66F872EBD@gmail.com> To: dmm@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: dmm-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [DMM] DMM meeting in Atlanta. X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:50:02 -0000 Folks, We have been scheduled a 2.5h slot for Atlanta (exact time & date still = object to change): dmm Session 1 (2:30:00) Thursday, Morning Session I 0900-1130 Room Name: Salon C --------------------------------------------- We will prioritize chartered items: requirements and the gap analysis. = However, if there is extra time after these, feel free suggest any topic. Send the = co-chairs an email with the topic, estimated airtime and why you thing you need a = slot. - Jouni & Julien=20= From Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu Tue Oct 16 09:04:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09EF21F8859 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:04:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oed1r0dWECGf for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37FD21F89F8 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0271021FA for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:04:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GW7DKcsPw3R5 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:04:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from METHONE.office.hd (methone.office.hd [192.168.24.54]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302891021F9 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:04:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from DAPHNIS.office.hd ([169.254.2.239]) by METHONE.office.hd ([192.168.24.54]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:04:49 +0200 From: Marco Liebsch To: "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: DMM functional framework posted Thread-Index: Ac2rtkYqUHMX3R8lT2GK/zx0O/gz3Q== Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:04:48 +0000 Message-ID: <69756203DDDDE64E987BC4F70B71A26D55135B39@DAPHNIS.office.hd> Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.99.170] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DMM] DMM functional framework posted X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:04:55 -0000 As follow up of a discussion during last IETF meeting with some of you, we= posted a new draft about an initial functional framework for DMM. We think that discussing BCP and gaps can be supported by using well defined functional e= ntities (FE) and reference points to enable DMM. Different constellations of FEs can mat= ch architectures of existing protocols and gaps as well as strengths or weak points of the a= ssociated architecture/protocol can be easily identified. The current version provides a basic set of FEs and interfaces and depicts = two key models as starting point to group FEs according to the WG's current und= erstanding how DMM may be solved. Any opinion about the proposed framework and approach as well as contributi= ons to an updated version of this draft are appreciated. Marco -- A new version of I-D, draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-analysis-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Marco Liebsch and posted to the IETF rep= ository. Filename: draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-analysis Revision: 00 Title: Distributed Mobility Management - Framework & Analysis Creation date: 2012-10-15 WG ID: Individual Submission Number of pages: 16 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liebsch-dmm-fram= ework-analysis-00.txt Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-liebsch-dmm-framewor= k-analysis Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-ana= lysis-00 Abstract: Mobile operators consider the distribution of mobility anchors to enable offloading some traffic from their core network. The Distributed Mobility Management (DMM) Working Group is investigating the impact of decentralized mobility management to existing protocol solutions, while taking into account well defined requirements, which are to be met by a future solution. This document discusses DMM using a functional framework. Functional Entities to support DMM as well as reference points between these Functional Entities are introduced and described. The described functional framework allows distribution and co-location of Functional Entities and build a DMM architecture that matches the architecture of available protocols. Such methodology eases the analysis of best current practices with regard to functional and protocol gaps. = =20 From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Wed Oct 17 01:13:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BC921F87A0 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:13:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04+KtEvuFdmY for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A239321F87A3 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hr7so261136wib.13 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:13:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=p3VXXHcJYGijNd5PA+JeawB2c+tsEEjyD5tGuqvnbOY=; b=krFEIiI11r/06atyVbviws67Z+XG+P52NWXPmrYeVTRy5XF0g99O9S7J4eGvG/9xbY sa6jEyzjielhKEFW+H6UDY64QV6Xczq4fTOiciZOjSr5jwGJ/y/RDUZ50U4IGQ7GzuKB JifQlYX1JGYdm4HZsnW9RN6BJuPc3trBWk3izlp7ichMOrQMa0ALeK6mIbxSi+V0qLqR y2nomEMHhuQmi+Q+6fjVFaixmy0jAbB6ge932HTRNpk3Dc3L8A7cDTQJksF4Y0DXGLqB /YSNDBaIUv3ioOGB3FtuT3Xkc19WkPBQCOTHjNPKyUqPZKrOp4UwOuueTvZYiFTaerb5 jYKQ== Received: by 10.180.97.35 with SMTP id dx3mr2290166wib.14.1350461588337; Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c? ([2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ay10sm26322379wib.2.2012.10.17.01.13.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: jouni korhonen In-Reply-To: <91580547-F84B-49B4-A6E9-3FA66F872EBD@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:12:57 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <91580547-F84B-49B4-A6E9-3FA66F872EBD@gmail.com> To: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: dmm-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [DMM] DMM meeting in Atlanta. X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 08:13:10 -0000 FYI - just a remainder. - Jouni On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:49 PM, jouni korhonen wrote: > Folks, >=20 > We have been scheduled a 2.5h slot for Atlanta (exact time & date = still object to change): >=20 > dmm Session 1 (2:30:00) > Thursday, Morning Session I 0900-1130 > Room Name: Salon C > --------------------------------------------- >=20 > We will prioritize chartered items: requirements and the gap analysis. = However, if > there is extra time after these, feel free suggest any topic. Send the = co-chairs an > email with the topic, estimated airtime and why you thing you need a = slot. >=20 > - Jouni & Julien From luo.wen@zte.com.cn Tue Oct 23 01:21:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7DB21F85A6 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:21:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z1B9-VdN0yrH for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zte.com.cn (mx5.zte.com.cn [63.217.80.70]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90E421F860D for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mse01.zte.com.cn (unknown [10.30.3.20]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 3D1E91278065; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:21:47 +0800 (CST) Received: from notes_smtp.zte.com.cn ([10.30.1.239]) by mse01.zte.com.cn with ESMTP id q9N8KeIx090396; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:20:40 +0800 (GMT-8) (envelope-from luo.wen@zte.com.cn) To: h.a.chan@ieee.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.4 March 27, 2005 Message-ID: From: luo.wen@zte.com.cn Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:20:38 +0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes_smtp/zte_ltd(Release 8.5.3FP1 HF212|May 23, 2012) at 2012-10-23 16:20:39, Serialize complete at 2012-10-23 16:20:39 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 002DD3AC48257AA0_=" X-MAIL: mse01.zte.com.cn q9N8KeIx090396 Cc: dmm@ietf.org Subject: [DMM] Some comments on draft-chan-dmm-framework-gap-analysis-05. X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:21:31 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 002DD3AC48257AA0_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Antony: Thanks to your new draft, http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chan-dmm-framework-gap-analysis-05. I have some comments as following. 1. I have some concern on the statement (section 6.1.2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Different deployments using the same abstract functions can be compatible with each other if their functions use common message formats between these functions." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually, I don't think it is a sutiable criterion, i.e. I don't think that sharing same abstract functions necessary indicate different deployments can compatible with each other. Taking figure 6 in your draft as an example, this deployment is using the abstract functions MR, LM and LU as indicated in the figure. Meantime, PMIPv6(RFC[5213]) is also using same abstact functions as described in the draft. Then, according to the criterion, these two designs should be compatiable with each other. However, consider that, if these two designs are deployed together (e.g. one operator deploys both two designs), and when MN handover from your AR2 to a RFC[5213] specified MAG, I am not sure how to keep all IPv6 prefixes which are anchored at AR1, AR2 and AR3 respectively alive. Taking figure 8 as anther example, I am not sure how to perform location management if mobile node handovers to a RFC[5213] specified PMIPv6 domain from the domain illustrated by this figure. Because the RFC[5213] specified LMA or MAG doesn't have such location management interface with the LM in figure 8. Another concern about the "compatibility" is the analysis comparisons "compatibility" in table 1 (section 6.3). You mark "Y" to all items. But, for example, I am not very clear about how can HAHA be compatible with MIPv6, and how can Multiple MRs and Distributed LM be compatible with PMIPv6 (as explained above) and etc. May be we should not jump to a conclusion before a carefully examine. Besides, if I am not making mistake, the compatibility also includes the compatibility with already exsiting end host (e.g. mobile node), right? 2. In table 1 section 6.3, why the last four analysis comparisons for Unified framework are marked as N/A ? Besides, I think the Unified framework is not a mobility solution, so why you put it in this comparison table? 3. Still table 1, I think the last analysis comparisons of Multiple MRs and Distributed LM database must be missing. 4. Still table 1, I think the last analysis comparisons item of Optimize Route should be "except first few packets". BR Luowen --=_alternative 002DD3AC48257AA0_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Hi Antony:

Thanks to your new draft, http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chan-dmm-framework-gap-analysis-05. I have some comments as following.

1. I have some concern on the statement (section 6.1.2)
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  "Different deployments using the same abstract functions can be
  compatible with each other if their functions use common message
  formats between these functions."  
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Actually, I don't think it is a sutiable criterion, i.e. I don't think that sharing same abstract functions necessary indicate different deployments can compatible with each other.
Taking figure 6 in your draft as an example, this deployment is using the abstract functions MR, LM and LU as indicated in the figure. Meantime, PMIPv6(RFC[5213]) is also using same abstact functions as described in the draft. Then, according to the criterion, these two designs should be compatiable with each other. However, consider that, if these two designs are deployed together (e.g. one operator deploys both two designs), and when MN handover from your AR2 to a RFC[5213] specified MAG, I am not sure how to keep all IPv6 prefixes which are anchored at AR1, AR2 and AR3 respectively alive. Taking figure 8 as anther example, I am not sure how to perform  location management if mobile node handovers to a RFC[5213] specified PMIPv6 domain from the domain illustrated by this figure. Because the RFC[5213] specified LMA or MAG doesn't have such location management interface with the LM in figure 8.

Another concern about the "compatibility" is the analysis comparisons "compatibility" in table 1 (section 6.3). You mark "Y" to all items. But, for example, I am not very clear about how can HAHA be compatible with MIPv6, and how can Multiple MRs and Distributed LM be compatible with PMIPv6 (as explained above) and etc. May be we should not jump to a conclusion before a carefully examine. Besides, if I am not making mistake, the compatibility also includes the compatibility with already exsiting end host (e.g. mobile node), right?

2.  In table 1 section 6.3, why the last four analysis comparisons for Unified framework are marked as N/A ? Besides, I think the Unified framework is not a mobility solution, so why you put it in this comparison table?
3. Still table 1, I think the last analysis comparisons of Multiple MRs and Distributed LM database must be missing.  

4. Still table 1, I think the last analysis comparisons item of Optimize Route should be "except first few packets".

BR
Luowen --=_alternative 002DD3AC48257AA0_=-- From maxpassion@gmail.com Tue Oct 23 01:36:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F68821F846B for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:36:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.718 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.718 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.882, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MISSING_SUBJECT=1.762, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xuzNnT-wr051 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44C321F867B for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id v19so3906677obq.31 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:36:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nqKefWzA9Wte0QeKcnolRD0STo/tA2wOC9QpgD71V5Y=; b=MQOGkmGMpwykfRwKDYYeUNmLB+ojYyNKNtwZghA1mI4qYMH5x3T05NFqq4vOAtRtll eDg+bZN1S8RzkNyBiBmPI8F1GM9ncx/cWLSXuZ9bsvq+5DdLcSGHiC7aj8jskEY22K6G i1LnEDbdajzcZKP20BRMA3z31/U6CDPgLTboLywx5DnNFT3B0J5Rks+ZPAJrUT+hPxzy g8CmE2yhifFtojuerWOvOD4EckBo6v4bDVzWRzA8lb+Lu6mRZ3hIXuYXpS1LQCTs4fBS sRcoV8IvaAuGk4KmKBNY7P2+E4bqeZloRIiC6dmI/C34XqvfDoInqnyYh+D6Sk7/VVvA feTw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.95.205 with SMTP id dm13mr9395333obb.9.1350981412387; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.95.196 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 01:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:36:52 +0800 Message-ID: From: liu dapeng To: dmm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93b63202efcee04ccb5df6e Subject: [DMM] (no subject) X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 08:36:53 -0000 --14dae93b63202efcee04ccb5df6e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, I upload a draft on current practice & Gap analysis of DMM, any comments are welcomed. thanks, best regards, Dapeng Liu ----------------------- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Reply-to: internet-drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-liu-dmm-of-deployment-00.txt X-C5I-RSN: 1/0/935/46276/49670 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Deployment of existing mobility protocols in DMM Scenario. Author(s) : Dapeng Liu Filename : draft-liu-dmm-of-deployment-00.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2012-10-15 Abstract: Distributed Mobility Managment(DMM) aims to eliminate the centralized anchor point of current IP mobility solutions to get better scalability and optimize the data plane routing. Many soulutions have been proposed in DMM working group but before defining any new DMM protocol, it is a good approach to investigate first whether it is feasible to deploy current IP mobility protocol in DMM scenario in a way that can meet all the requirment of DMM.This document discusses the way of the deployment of current IP mobility protocol in DMM scenario and analyses the gaps between this approach and the DMM requirment. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-liu-dmm-of-deployment There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liu-dmm-of-deployment-00 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ ------ Best Regards, Dapeng Liu --14dae93b63202efcee04ccb5df6e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I upload a draft on current practice & Gap analysis of DMM, any com= ments are welcomed.

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best regards,
Dapeng Liu
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--14dae93b63202efcee04ccb5df6e-- From cjbc@it.uc3m.es Tue Oct 23 11:34:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D07121F8452 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.513 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.513 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.186, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FK1KxaLGVjew for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp01.uc3m.es (smtp01.uc3m.es [163.117.176.131]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0F621F86AE for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:34:14 -0700 (PDT) X-uc3m-safe: yes Received: from [163.117.139.72] (acorde.it.uc3m.es [163.117.139.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: cjbc@smtp01.uc3m.es) by smtp01.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D19E5CB588B for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:34:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <1351017252.27864.46.camel@acorde.it.uc3m.es> From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Bernardos Cano To: dmm@ietf.org Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:34:12 +0200 Organization: Universidad Carlos III de Madrid Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-KZmlwkBp8S4jxsBmInh5" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.3-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1224-6.8.0.1017-19300.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--7.267-7.0-31-1 X-imss-scan-details: No--7.267-7.0-31-1 Subject: [DMM] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02.txt] X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 18:34:18 -0000 --=-KZmlwkBp8S4jxsBmInh5 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-aQRjIdsha5dy+gcDpDx8" --=-aQRjIdsha5dy+gcDpDx8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (re-sending, as Juan Carlos is having some issues posting to the list, apologies if there are duplicates) Hi all, =20 We have just submitted a new version of the Current Practices and DMM Gap Analysis document. We tried to address the multiple comments we received at the meeting and on the mailing list. =20 We look forward to your new comments and reviews. Best regards, Juan-Carlos, Carlos, Telemaco and Charlie --=20 Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano http://www.netcom.it.uc3m.es/ GPG FP: D29B 0A6A 639A A561 93CA 4D55 35DC BA4D D170 4F67 --=-aQRjIdsha5dy+gcDpDx8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: Forwarded message - I-D Action: draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02.txt Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on antispam.uc3m.es X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb X-Original-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es Delivered-To: cjbc@correo01.uc3m.es Received: from smtp03.uc3m.es (pip-L01.uc3m.es [163.117.176.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by correo01.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3887BD67; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 00:57:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.ietf.org (mail.ietf.org [64.170.98.30]) by smtp03.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77AEFAAECD; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 00:57:34 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ietf.org; s=ietf1; t=1350946594; bh=VUyGNfpy0qLe+ZlHq8fyRL0/1Hhr0cGsW4aCThc7gWQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:Reply-To:List-Id: List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender; b=YKjVvLMpohLqcJIIpW0y0nFQ+yNAvNM/YtpCXmXfI0ehvyqwd6aIdUr1IRit5f+Q7 2gKevflaio56fEfmoUowwXNVvOXFpdTTTJsyFtQxugTheMhYvTmWpzCyDK8IR9gfOx ggKfWLS0s9a7tgnIpfdoTgTErYDExVSiH2w1+lXA= X-Original-To: i-d-announce@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i-d-announce@ietfa.amsl.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20121022225631.28834.14584.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:56:31 -0700 X-BeenThere: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org List-Id: Internet Draft Announcements only List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (smtp03.uc3m.es); Tue, 23 Oct 2012 00:57:37 +0200 (CEST) X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1224-6.8.0.1017-19298.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--6.099-7.0-31-1 X-imss-scan-details: No--6.099-7.0-31-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. Title : Mobility Practices and DMM Gap Analysis Author(s) : Juan Carlos Zuniga Carlos J. Bernardos Telemaco Melia Charles E. Perkins Filename : draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2012-10-22 Abstract: This document describes practices for the deployment of existing mobility protocols in a distributed mobility management environment, and identifies the limitations in the current practices with respect to providing the expected functionality. The practices description and gap analysis are performed for IP-based mobility protocols, dividing them into two main solution families: client- and network-based. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt --=-aQRjIdsha5dy+gcDpDx8-- --=-KZmlwkBp8S4jxsBmInh5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAlCG4yQACgkQNdy6TdFwT2fXxwCfe2TxF3eb4fd7JJ+jdPpdOKs1 uEUAnRzYSMHCdEgvkYOcwSXiqC/z7CsJ =iJ7S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-KZmlwkBp8S4jxsBmInh5-- From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Tue Oct 23 12:51:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C2811E80ED for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:51:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n+dDeUqBtyQB for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-f172.google.com (mail-ie0-f172.google.com [209.85.223.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD0911E80DC for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 9so6889591iec.31 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:51:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=45UCQ+CM2nbVlBR8HlKPu3UQBff0qU8m89hWZ0kOkic=; b=ezjt5wgMA6jNpiz42i35LraiywcZEti3dgU8zWN/dqnn7Q3vstemQ9sq5E18dsEf0p 3keJpVLsso63f+D9OsOZBTuKYubuMAbrx1fKJMoifByfvk7geK5ochY2kEV9l6oqRCZ7 tvMZM3TcEveJgx4uQ+eOhGsCDgbM3lrWILp6arxfcH7NNqItm8nL/hi1ughn8nQf3R9m HHByxwCEZv0mHsiPjVlwr7ZdHfCGA5oUC04HuLQxAcgkJlBId07mT+n1KgKTUTiUMUde 3FRvqCFJ1MvUJ9raYKkT2FSxtG0BS4My5VsvPnDk6XrYAAEZIZyvyVSSrOlHDs9f26Fw SBOw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.80.207 with SMTP id w15mr11754584ick.40.1351021898764; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.85.26 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 12:51:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20121015214138.23791.80051.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20121015214138.23791.80051.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:51:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: dmm@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [DMM] New Version Notification for draft-sarikaya-dmm-cloud-mm-00.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 19:51:40 -0000 Hi all, I have submitted a new draft on Mobility Management Protocols for Cloud-Like Architectures, for details see below. Chairs: please reserve a slot in IETF 85 session if possible. Regards, Behcet A new version of I-D, draft-sarikaya-dmm-cloud-mm-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Behcet Sarikaya and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-sarikaya-dmm-cloud-mm Revision: 00 Title: Mobility Management Protocols for Cloud-Like Architectures Creation date: 2012-10-15 WG ID: Individual Submission Number of pages: 11 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sarikaya-dmm-cloud-mm-00.txt Status: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sarikaya-dmm-cloud-mm Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-dmm-cloud-mm-00 Abstract: Telecommunication networks are being virtualized and are moving into the cloud networks. This brings the need to redesign the mobility protocols of Mobile and Proxy Mobile IPv6. This document defines mobility management protocols for virtualized networks. Control and data plane separation is achieved by separating Home Agent and Mobile Access Gateway functionalities into the control and data planes. 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([2001:1bc8:101:f101:226:bbff:fe18:6e9c]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id di7sm2639649wib.11.2012.10.23.21.55.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 23 Oct 2012 21:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: jouni korhonen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 07:55:47 +0300 Message-Id: <0EC8937A-853E-4A34-B341-886543928AF5@gmail.com> To: dmm@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: dmm-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: [DMM] DMM draft agenda X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 04:55:53 -0000 Folks, See the drafty draft agenda. Ping me if I missed someone I already said would have a spot inlight and get agenda time. The presentation slot lengths may still change by +-5mins or so. - JOuni & Julien ------------------------------------------------------------- DMM WG IETF 85: 150 min Chairs o Agenda and WG update 15 min DMM requirements: Anthony Chan o draft-ietf-dmm-requirements 15 min DMM practices and gap analysis Anthony Chan o draft-chan-dmm-framework-gap-analysis 15 min Juan-Carlos Zuniga o draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis 20 min Others (frameworks, deployments, etc): Marco Liebsch o draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-analysis 15 min Dapeng Liu o draft-liu-dmm-of-deployment 10 min Pierrick Seite o draft-seite-dmm-dma 20 min Sri Gundavelli o draft-gundavelli-v6ops-community-wifi-svcs 15 min o draft-korhonen-dmm-prefix-properties 15 min Behcet Sarikaya o draft-sarikaya-dmm-cloud-mm 10 min From maxpassion@gmail.com Tue Oct 23 23:02:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B7D21F8D46 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:02:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.305 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.305 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.293, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iiymGZXWfQsK for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8F621F8D44 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id v19so151743obq.31 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:02:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cEp5BynrlRXQwSrS1xERfCyg4uWyzWz8SenpGoajHis=; b=MSRYthptsE3qvNAWpGW2c/5iY0/1BU0vhwRbxl8NFfCn0L1hTg6pr2rf9sg7SSr3Pl BjijGI1Fs+L2EuJXmJzgHOYPSy89MGztbUnHvMZtuVgG5EhiL5iKFk4du9uBJ3NYijXb toTvOBpB9OXCgW9wHgz5YeprOuq08gYdGeiPfJPtnVJ1qYPMWsmj4qnRfSDQJMXLs1Cw lCEavfssXmQVt7zplQOcxTbZUpP5JKEs9e31QgpO+y7aN+dKEKUl3XGmWoXxMvtwB7r4 Tsxf49OB3N4mmmkt5xlA4HO+9ykTBdEIDzZDc31hl1eg3GZo1xV249v9KeC7qB5/XQzG SV2A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.31.129 with SMTP id a1mr8937577oei.58.1351058577861; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.95.196 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Oct 2012 23:02:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0EC8937A-853E-4A34-B341-886543928AF5@gmail.com> References: <0EC8937A-853E-4A34-B341-886543928AF5@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:02:57 +0800 Message-ID: From: liu dapeng To: jouni korhonen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f5969aae2a04ccc7d6ee Cc: dmm@ietf.org, dmm-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [DMM] DMM draft agenda X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 06:02:59 -0000 --e89a8fb1f5969aae2a04ccc7d6ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Jouni, Thanks for publishing the agenda but I think draft-liu-dmm-of-deployment belongs to the category of "DMM practices and gap analysis" in the agenda because this draft mainly discusses the practices for the deployment of existing mobility protocols in a distributed mobility management environment and the potential gaps. Thanks, Best regards, Dapeng Liu 2012/10/24 jouni korhonen > Folks, > > See the drafty draft agenda. Ping me if I missed someone I already said > would have a spot inlight and get agenda time. The presentation slot > lengths may still change by +-5mins or so. > > - JOuni & Julien > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > DMM WG IETF 85: 150 min > > Chairs > o Agenda and WG update 15 min > > DMM requirements: > > Anthony Chan > o draft-ietf-dmm-requirements 15 min > > DMM practices and gap analysis > > Anthony Chan > o draft-chan-dmm-framework-gap-analysis 15 min > > Juan-Carlos Zuniga > o draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis 20 min > > Others (frameworks, deployments, etc): > > Marco Liebsch > o draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-analysis 15 min > > Dapeng Liu > o draft-liu-dmm-of-deployment 10 min > > Pierrick Seite > o draft-seite-dmm-dma 20 min > > Sri Gundavelli > o draft-gundavelli-v6ops-community-wifi-svcs 15 min > o draft-korhonen-dmm-prefix-properties 15 min > > Behcet Sarikaya > o draft-sarikaya-dmm-cloud-mm 10 min > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > -- ------ Best Regards, Dapeng Liu --e89a8fb1f5969aae2a04ccc7d6ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jouni,

Thanks for=A0publishing=A0the=A0agenda but I t= hink=A0draft-liu-dmm-of-deployment belongs to the category of =A0"DMM = practices and gap analysis" in the agenda because this draft mainly di= scusses the=A0practices for the deployment of existing=A0
mobility protocols in a distributed mobility management= =A0environment and the potential gaps.

Thanks,
<= div> Best regards,
Dapeng Liu

2012/10/24 jouni korhonen = <jouni.nospa= m@gmail.com>
Folks,

See the drafty draft agenda. Ping me if I missed someone I already said
would have a spot inlight and get agenda time. The presentation slot
lengths may still change by +-5mins or so.

- JOuni & Julien

-------------------------------------------------------------

DMM WG IETF 85: 150 min

Chairs
=A0o Agenda and WG update =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 15 min

DMM requirements:

=A0Anthony Chan
=A0 =A0o draft-ietf-dmm-requirements =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A015 min

DMM practices and gap analysis

=A0Anthony Chan
=A0 o draft-chan-dmm-framework-gap-analysis =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 15 = min

=A0Juan-Carlos Zuniga
=A0 o draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 20 min

Others (frameworks, deployments, etc):

=A0Marco Liebsch
=A0 o draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-analysis =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01= 5 min

=A0Dapeng Liu
=A0 o draft-liu-dmm-of-deployment =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 10 min

=A0 Pierrick Seite
=A0 =A0o draft-seite-dmm-dma =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A020 min

=A0 Sri Gundavelli
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=A0 Behcet Sarikaya
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002BA28748257AA1_=-- From h.anthony.chan@huawei.com Wed Oct 24 14:48:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB3A21F8C12 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:48:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 41sON01Y0M97 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1722021F8B45 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com 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Thread-Index: AQHNsPdwNj3vfJxllUKFI+VZeaOObpfI94eA Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:45:39 +0000 Message-ID: <6E31144C030982429702B11D6746B98C28412665@SZXEML510-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.152.227] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6E31144C030982429702B11D6746B98C28412665SZXEML510MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "dmm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [DMM] Some comments on draft-chan-dmm-framework-gap-analysis-05. X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:48:38 -0000 --_000_6E31144C030982429702B11D6746B98C28412665SZXEML510MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Luowen, Let me first explain what was intended to say, and then make corrections ac= cordingly. I think compatibility in the requirement refers to the following: If one deploys dmm in a network, and the network had an existing (centraliz= ed) mobility management deployment, the existing deployment should continue= to work. The abstract functions are used to build up the protocols by adding functio= ns one step at a time to the network. So, the intention of the framework is as follows: The MR, LM, LU abstract functions are those of HA. So, it is straightforwar= d to construct MIPv6 using these functions. Then some additional functions are added to construct PMIPv6, then some add= itional functions are added to construct HMIPv6, etc. So, the configuration and functions in HMIPv6 "under this construction" alr= eady include those for PMIPv6, and that for PMIPv6 "under this construction= " include those of MIPv6 etc. That means MIPv6 should continue to work in the PMIPv6 construction, and bo= th PMIPv6 and MIPv6 should work in the HMIPv6 construction. One can then continue to construct dynamic mobility management on top of HM= IPv6, and then continue to construct route optimization with dmm on top of = dynamic mobility management. And the above interpretation of compatibility = should apply. Is that a reasonable approach? So, it does not intend to say compatible to each other, and the wording sho= uld be corrected. The gap analysis on the framework with MR, LM, LU is intended to refer to t= hat of a mobility solution based on these functions alone. It has not adde= d those additional features needed for DMM, so it is too early to say wheth= er it can meet the rest of the requirements other than those met by MIPv6. = It could have been left blank as you pointed out that N/A is not a good des= cription. H Anthony Chan From: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of luo.w= en@zte.com.cn Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:21 AM To: h.a.chan@ieee.org Cc: dmm@ietf.org Subject: [DMM] Some comments on draft-chan-dmm-framework-gap-analysis-05. Hi Antony: Thanks to your new draft, http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chan-dmm-framewo= rk-gap-analysis-05. I have some comments as following. 1. I have some concern on the statement (section 6.1.2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Different deployments using the same abstract functions can be compatible with each other if their functions use common message formats between these functions." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually, I don't think it is a sutiable criterion, i.e. I don't think that= sharing same abstract functions necessary indicate different deployments c= an compatible with each other. Taking figure 6 in your draft as an example, this deployment is using the a= bstract functions MR, LM and LU as indicated in the figure. Meantime, PMIPv= 6(RFC[5213]) is also using same abstact functions as described in the draft= . Then, according to the criterion, these two designs should be compatiable= with each other. However, consider that, if these two designs are deployed= together (e.g. one operator deploys both two designs), and when MN handove= r from your AR2 to a RFC[5213] specified MAG, I am not sure how to keep all= IPv6 prefixes which are anchored at AR1, AR2 and AR3 respectively alive. T= aking figure 8 as anther example, I am not sure how to perform location ma= nagement if mobile node handovers to a RFC[5213] specified PMIPv6 domain fr= om the domain illustrated by this figure. Because the RFC[5213] specified L= MA or MAG doesn't have such location management interface with the LM in fi= gure 8. Another concern about the "compatibility" is the analysis comparisons "comp= atibility" in table 1 (section 6.3). You mark "Y" to all items. But, for ex= ample, I am not very clear about how can HAHA be compatible with MIPv6, and= how can Multiple MRs and Distributed LM be compatible with PMIPv6 (as expl= ained above) and etc. May be we should not jump to a conclusion before a ca= refully examine. Besides, if I am not making mistake, the compatibility als= o includes the compatibility with already exsiting end host (e.g. mobile no= de), right? 2. In table 1 section 6.3, why the last four analysis comparisons for Unif= ied framework are marked as N/A ? Besides, I think the Unified framework is= not a mobility solution, so why you put it in this comparison table? 3. Still table 1, I think the last analysis comparisons of Multiple MRs and= Distributed LM database must be missing. 4. Still table 1, I think the last analysis comparisons item of Optimize Ro= ute should be "except first few packets". BR Luowen --_000_6E31144C030982429702B11D6746B98C28412665SZXEML510MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Luowen,=

 <= /p>

Let me first explain what= was intended to say, and then make corrections accordingly.

 <= /p>

I think compatibility in = the requirement refers to the following:

If one deploys dmm in a n= etwork, and the network had an existing (centralized) mobility management d= eployment, the existing deployment should continue to work.

The abstract functions ar= e used to build up the protocols by adding functions one step at a time to = the network.

 <= /p>

So, the intention of the = framework is as follows:

The MR, LM, LU abstract f= unctions are those of HA. So, it is straightforward to construct MIPv6 usin= g these functions.

Then some additional func= tions are added to construct PMIPv6, then some additional functions are add= ed to construct HMIPv6, etc.

So, the configuration and= functions in HMIPv6 “under this construction” already include = those for PMIPv6, and that for PMIPv6 “under this construction”= include those of MIPv6 etc.

That means MIPv6 should c= ontinue to work in the PMIPv6 construction, and both PMIPv6 and MIPv6 shoul= d work in the HMIPv6 construction.

 <= /p>

One can then continue to = construct dynamic mobility management on top of HMIPv6, and then continue t= o construct route optimization with dmm on top of dynamic mobility management. And the above interpretation of compatibility should = apply.

 <= /p>

Is that a reasonable appr= oach?

 <= /p>

So, it does not intend to= say compatible to each other, and the wording should be corrected.

 <= /p>

The gap analysis on the f= ramework with MR, LM, LU is intended to refer to that of a mobility solutio= n based on these functions alone.  It has not added those additional features needed for DMM, so it is too early to say whether it c= an meet the rest of the requirements other than those met by MIPv6. It coul= d have been left blank as you pointed out that N/A is not a good descriptio= n.  

 <= /p>

H Anthony Chan=

 <= /p>

From: dmm-boun= ces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of luo.wen@zte.com.cn
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:21 AM
To: h.a.chan@ieee.org
Cc: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: [DMM] Some comments on draft-chan-dmm-framework-gap-analysi= s-05.

 


Hi Antony:

Thanks to your new draft, http://tools.iet= f.org/html/draft-chan-dmm-framework-gap-analysis-05. I have some comments a= s following.

1. I have some concern on the statement (s= ection 6.1.2)
------------------------------------------= -------------------------------
  "Different deployments using t= he same abstract functions can be
  compatible with each other if their functions use common message
  formats between these functions."  
------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------
Actually, I don't think it is a sutiable c= riterion, i.e. I don't think that sharing same abstract functions necessary= indicate different deployments can compatible with each other.
Taking figure 6 in your draft as an exampl= e, this deployment is using the abstract functions MR, LM and LU as indicat= ed in the figure. Meantime, PMIPv6(RFC[5213]) is also using same abstact fu= nctions as described in the draft. Then, according to the criterion, these two designs should be compatiable = with each other. However, consider that, if these two designs are deployed = together (e.g. one operator deploys both two designs), and when MN handover= from your AR2 to a RFC[5213] specified MAG, I am not sure how to keep all IPv6 prefixes which are anchored at AR1= , AR2 and AR3 respectively alive. Taking figure 8 as anther example, I am n= ot sure how to perform  location management if mobile node handovers t= o a RFC[5213] specified PMIPv6 domain from the domain illustrated by this figure. Because the RFC[5213] specifie= d LMA or MAG doesn't have such location management interface with the LM in= figure 8.

Another concern about the "compatibil= ity" is the analysis comparisons "compatibility" in table 1 = (section 6.3). You mark "Y" to all items. But, for example, I am = not very clear about how can HAHA be compatible with MIPv6, and how can Multiple MRs and Distributed LM be compatible with PMIPv6 (as expl= ained above) and etc. May be we should not jump to a conclusion before a ca= refully examine. Besides, if I am not making mistake, the compatibility als= o includes the compatibility with already exsiting end host (e.g. mobile node), right?

2.  In table 1 section 6.3, why the l= ast four analysis comparisons for Unified framework are marked as N/A ? Bes= ides, I think the Unified framework is not a mobility solution, so why you = put it in this comparison table?

3. Still table 1, I think the last analysi= s comparisons of Multiple MRs and Distributed LM database must be missing. =  

4. Still table 1, I think the last analysi= s comparisons item of Optimize Route should be "except first few packe= ts".

BR
Luowen

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([2001:6e8:2100:100:223:32ff:fec9:7938]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gg4sm1876008wib.6.2012.10.26.01.31.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 26 Oct 2012 01:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 From: jouni korhonen In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:31:35 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: luo.wen@zte.com.cn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: dmm-bounces@ietf.org, dmm@ietf.org, dmm-chairs@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [DMM] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgRE1NIGRyYWZ0IGFnZW5kYQ==?= X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 08:31:51 -0000 Hi, We will handle this document if there is spare time when we have = completed the current agenda (at the meeting). - Jouni On Oct 25, 2012, at 10:30 AM, luo.wen@zte.com.cn wrote: >=20 > Hi Jouni:=20 >=20 > I want to present my new draft draft-luo-dmm-with-mip-and-pmip-00 in = this meeting. I am very sorry that I must have forgotten to sent you the = request in advance.=20 > If I could, of cource with your permission, I think 10mins is enough = for me.=20 >=20 > Sorry for the delay and inconvenience.=20 >=20 > BR=20 > Luowen=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > jouni korhonen =20 > =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: dmm-bounces@ietf.org > 2012/10/24 12:55 >=20 > =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB > dmm@ietf.org > =B3=AD=CB=CD > dmm-chairs@tools.ietf.org > =D6=F7=CC=E2 > [DMM] DMM draft agenda >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Folks, >=20 > See the drafty draft agenda. Ping me if I missed someone I already = said > would have a spot inlight and get agenda time. The presentation slot > lengths may still change by +-5mins or so. >=20 > - JOuni & Julien >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > DMM WG IETF 85: 150 min >=20 > Chairs > o Agenda and WG update = 15 min >=20 > DMM requirements: >=20 > Anthony Chan > o draft-ietf-dmm-requirements = 15 min >=20 > DMM practices and gap analysis >=20 > Anthony Chan > o draft-chan-dmm-framework-gap-analysis = 15 min >=20 > Juan-Carlos Zuniga > o draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis = 20 min >=20 > Others (frameworks, deployments, etc): >=20 > Marco Liebsch > o draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-analysis = 15 min >=20 > Dapeng Liu > o draft-liu-dmm-of-deployment = 10 min >=20 > Pierrick Seite > o draft-seite-dmm-dma = 20 min >=20 > Sri Gundavelli > o draft-gundavelli-v6ops-community-wifi-svcs = 15 min > o draft-korhonen-dmm-prefix-properties = 15 min >=20 > Behcet Sarikaya > o draft-sarikaya-dmm-cloud-mm = 10 min > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > 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