From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Thu Jan 3 04:04:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F362221F8ACE for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 04:04:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9BmAZHByhpkr for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 04:04:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com (mail-la0-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CD721F8B61 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 04:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id fq13so7748196lab.19 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 04:04:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=WNJJkZFWOljnI9/xf1KWn0UTl38LaGqHznR02GW1E7c=; b=y/PREOzRZXVv/WXwT+swAMZNjJVNvL/UpwlG+GpYeVoVRzISKg7zuApDMmOA07WlIe 4RN/iqrWgO8+8rwkoGEW1G0JDotz0e1q/xyJys3V31s0VltbOuv1PXZQbxFtHQOQCXJ5 vB2bO6+COE6DTI1nq+6blocYh/OWLFdqEIkHt/xlt68kfyVVnCnU5RGtgS0/ybEBPQkt kfDZGMQOmqWVwYbiC1L+LhTh8z5mqlYpMH8yuHMczs28yqQVBO6AwgkxWwnVrAfx63Ge Q0/AVxN/cSFTz278cq9qJxYL0osWjGPrfuCUrW7G8er91sjZQTo57Qd+z4JSLDhKGB3n goag== X-Received: by 10.152.148.129 with SMTP id ts1mr46827395lab.19.1357214668577; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 04:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.250.3] ([194.100.71.98]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sr6sm18341641lab.4.2013.01.03.04.04.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Jan 2013 04:04:27 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Jouni Korhonen In-Reply-To: <4C82218A-7CAC-4146-9F0B-3716EEE1882E@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 14:04:32 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> <1355961906.4191.183.camel@acorde.it.uc3m.es> <4C82218A-7CAC-4146-9F0B-3716EEE1882E@gmail.com> To: "dmm@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: Julien Laganier Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 12:04:31 -0000 Folks, Just a reminder that ~one more week time to voice your preference! - Jouni On Dec 20, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: >=20 > On Dec 20, 2012, at 2:05 AM, Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano = wrote: >=20 >> Dear chairs, >>=20 >> We have been working on an update of draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis, >> addressing the comments received on the mailing list and during the = last >> meeting. Main changes from -02 are: >>=20 >> - New section on 3GPP mobility. >> - New section on functional analysis. >> - New section on combined solution analysis. >> - Several fixes and clean-ups. >>=20 >> We'd like to ask the chairs to replace [1] below with the new = revision >> (draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03), that we have just submitted. >=20 >=20 > This is OK. Consider -03 as the document [1] for the adoption call. >=20 > - Jouni & Julien. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Carlos >>=20 >> On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 22:25 +0200, Jouni Korhonen wrote: >>> Folks, >>>=20 >>> We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies = for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap = analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We = consider two documents on this topic to choose from: >>>=20 >>> [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 >>> [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 >>>=20 >>> and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ = for the WG document. >>>=20 >>> Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the = mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner = justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if there is = (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed with selecting = one document against the other.=20 >>>=20 >>> The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We = have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. >>>=20 >>> - Jouni & Julien >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dmm mailing list >>> dmm@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dmm mailing list >> dmm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >=20 From brian@innovationslab.net Fri Jan 4 04:44:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7842021F88E8; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:44:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HbEG-VIV9p9r; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from uillean.fuaim.com (uillean.fuaim.com [206.197.161.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8781121F88CB; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from clairseach.fuaim.com (clairseach-high.fuaim.com [206.197.161.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by uillean.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE1F880A0; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from clemson.local (nat-gwifi.jhuapl.edu [128.244.87.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by clairseach.fuaim.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D2A130019; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 04:44:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50E6CEC1.1050805@innovationslab.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 07:44:49 -0500 From: Brian Haberman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dmm@ietf.org, mip4@ietf.org, "netext@ietf.org" References: <93720FE55DA3044C9F74B2962338F7DE8A4E815380@AUSX7MCPC109.AMER.DELL.COM> In-Reply-To: <93720FE55DA3044C9F74B2962338F7DE8A4E815380@AUSX7MCPC109.AMER.DELL.COM> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <93720FE55DA3044C9F74B2962338F7DE8A4E815380@AUSX7MCPC109.AMER.DELL.COM> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080508000209070902090105" Subject: [DMM] Mobility-related work in the IEEE X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 12:44:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080508000209070902090105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, As per the note below, the IEEE has approved the OmniRAN study group. There is potential for significant interactions between OmniRAN and the IETF on mobility-related work. Regards, Brian -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [new-work] Status of Study Groups per November 2012 IEEE 802 Plenary Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 14:48:13 -0600 From: To: Dear Colleagues, The following Study Groups were approved at the November 2012 IEEE 802 Plenary - 1. IEEE 802, "OmniRAN" EC Study Group 2. IEEE 802.1 "802.11 Bridging" Study Group 3. IEEE 802.3 "Reduced Twisted Pair Gigabit Ethernet" Study Group 4. IEEE 802.3 "Next Generation BASE-T" Study Group 5. IEEE 802.3 "Distinguished Minimum Latency Traffic in a Converged Traffic Environment" Study Group 6. IEEE 802.11 "Pre-association Discovery (PAD)" Study Group 7. IEEE 802.11 "General Link (GLK)" Study Group 8. IEEE 802.15 "Ultra Low Power" Study Group 9. IEEE 802.15 "Layer 2 Routing" Study Group Please note, per the IEEE 802 LMSC Policies and Procedures that a Study Group is chartered plenary session-to-plenary session. Therefore, the Study Groups, listed above and found at http://www.ieee802.org/StudyGroups.shtml, are chartered until the IEEE 802 March 2013 Plenary Session. Please note that IEEE meetings are open and may be attended by any individuals who register and fulfill any registration fees. Details regarding future IEEE 802 plenary meeting schedules may be found at http://www.ieee802.org/PARs.shtml. Please refer to individual working groups for their interim meeting schedules. A listing of all working groups may be found at http://www.ieee802.org/. Best Regards, John D'Ambrosia IEEE 802 LMSC Recording Secretary Note - This email solely represents the views of the IEEE 802 LMSC and does not necessarily represent a position of the IEEE or the IEEE Standards Association. --------------080508000209070902090105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; name="Attached Message Part" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Attached Message Part" _______________________________________________ new-work mailing list new-work@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/new-work --------------080508000209070902090105-- From philippe.bertin@orange.com Tue Jan 8 01:03:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0C421F8841 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 01:03:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kdARhIprpan4 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 01:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C1321F8833 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 01:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.4]) by omfedm09.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id F2C812DC5E4; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:03:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.183]) by omfedm08.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id D740A2380E4; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:03:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::cc7e:e40b:42ef:164e]) by PEXCVZYH02.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:03:02 +0100 From: To: Jouni Korhonen , "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document Thread-Index: AQHN6ap/u01N6DEeWE6fqqzmEmBmm5g/KEUw Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:03:02 +0000 Message-ID: <15963_1357635782_50EBE0C6_15963_5073_1_398A5CCA98EBF547A995F259A9D3155F06D3367A@PEXCVZYM13.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> <1355961906.4191.183.camel@acorde.it.uc3m.es> <4C82218A-7CAC-4146-9F0B-3716EEE1882E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.197.38.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2013.1.8.70315 Cc: Julien Laganier Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:03:05 -0000 Dear all, I went through the documents and I found that [2] provides a very clear and= comprehensive description of current practices and gap analysis.=20 Hence, I Support WG adoption for document [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-= gap-analysis-01. Best wishes Philippe -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Jou= ni Korhonen Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 3 janvier 2013 13:05 =C0=A0: dmm@ietf.org Cc=A0: Julien Laganier Objet=A0: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap an= alysis" document Folks, Just a reminder that ~one more week time to voice your preference! - Jouni On Dec 20, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: >=20 > On Dec 20, 2012, at 2:05 AM, Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano wrote: >=20 >> Dear chairs, >>=20 >> We have been working on an update of draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis, >> addressing the comments received on the mailing list and during the last >> meeting. Main changes from -02 are: >>=20 >> - New section on 3GPP mobility. >> - New section on functional analysis. >> - New section on combined solution analysis. >> - Several fixes and clean-ups. >>=20 >> We'd like to ask the chairs to replace [1] below with the new revision >> (draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03), that we have just submitted. >=20 >=20 > This is OK. Consider -03 as the document [1] for the adoption call. >=20 > - Jouni & Julien. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Carlos >>=20 >> On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 22:25 +0200, Jouni Korhonen wrote: >>> Folks, >>>=20 >>> We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for= that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis" do= cument to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider two do= cuments on this topic to choose from: >>>=20 >>> [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 >>> [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 >>>=20 >>> and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ fo= r the WG document. >>>=20 >>> Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing l= ist. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner justification = for your selection. The chairs will determine if there is (rough) consensus= from active WG participants to proceed with selecting one document against= the other.=20 >>>=20 >>> The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have = a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. >>>=20 >>> - Jouni & Julien >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dmm mailing list >>> dmm@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dmm mailing list >> dmm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >=20 _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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From sfigueiredo@av.it.pt Tue Jan 8 06:01:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F201821F84C9 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:01:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z6KSzmzWNmTP for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from av.it.pt (mail.av.it.pt [193.136.92.53]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE17221F847F for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [193.136.93.233] (account sfigueiredo@av.it.pt HELO [192.168.1.121]) by av.it.pt (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTPSA id 67557135; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:01:53 +0000 Message-ID: <50EC26D8.8000807@av.it.pt> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:02:00 +0000 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio_Figueiredo?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121011 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dmm@ietf.org References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: jlaganier@juniper.net, jounikor@gmail.com Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:02:00 -0000 Dear all, After going through the 2 documents, my opinion is that [1] has an improved technical completeness (e.g. number of mobility protocols considered for best practices description, and clear identification of respective limitations) against that of ]2}. It also seems to have a more logical and consensual structure, in line with what is expectable from a "Current practices and Gap Analysis" document. For these reasons, I support the adoption of [1]. Best regards, Sérgio On 12/19/2012 08:25 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > Folks, > > We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider two documents on this topic to choose from: > > [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 > [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 > > and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ for the WG document. > > Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if there is (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed with selecting one document against the other. > > The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. > > - Jouni & Julien > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From karagian@cs.utwente.nl Tue Jan 8 06:09:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018F421F8A45 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:09:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GRhT4NeWtN6N for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:09:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from EXEDGE02.ad.utwente.nl (exedge02.ad.utwente.nl [130.89.5.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6B721F8A11 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:09:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from EXHUB01.ad.utwente.nl (130.89.4.228) by EXEDGE02.ad.utwente.nl (130.89.5.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:09:55 +0100 Received: from EXMBX23.ad.utwente.nl ([169.254.3.250]) by EXHUB01.ad.utwente.nl ([130.89.4.228]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:09:55 +0100 From: To: Thread-Topic: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document Thread-Index: AQHN7ajPBxx/OmGcZ0uc/8pbmHTDJpg/dosA Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:09:55 +0000 Message-ID: References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> <50EC26D8.8000807@av.it.pt> In-Reply-To: <50EC26D8.8000807@av.it.pt> Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [130.89.12.129] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:09:58 -0000 Dear all, As I already mentioned during previous email discussions, I think that draf= t-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 [1], describes well several=20 mobility protocols considered for gap analysis and it describes a clear id= entification of their limitations! Therefore I am in favour of adopting this draft as a WG draft! The number of the discussed mobility protocols can be extended and as I alr= eady mentioned in previous emails I will be happy to help with this extensi= on. Best regards, Georgios >=20 >=20 > On 12/19/2012 08:25 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > > Folks, > > > > We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for= that. > The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis" documen= t to > serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider two documents > on this topic to choose from: > > > > [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 > > [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 > > > > and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ fo= r > the WG document. > > > > Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing l= ist. We > would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner justification for yo= ur > selection. The chairs will determine if there is (rough) consensus from a= ctive > WG participants to proceed with selecting one document against the other. > > > > The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have = a > longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. > > > > - Jouni & Julien > > _______________________________________________ > > dmm mailing list > > dmm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From seiljeon@av.it.pt Tue Jan 8 06:39:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7835E21F892E for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:39:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gFwhGiee2f+W for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from av.it.pt (mail.av.it.pt [193.136.92.53]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0B921F8906 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 06:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [193.136.93.19] (account seiljeon@av.it.pt HELO ATNoGSeil) by av.it.pt (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTPSA id 67557660; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:39:09 +0000 From: "Seil Jeon" To: References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> <1355961906.4191.183.camel@acorde.it.uc3m.es> <4C82218A-7CAC-4146-9F0B-3716EEE1882E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 14:39:53 -0000 Message-ID: <000001cdedae$05992f30$10cb8d90$@av.it.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFGjpZTFGcsNMWOodbz63RqnrjbJQG2DbpfAryG/GAB6TXsh5kbXzeQ Content-Language: ko Cc: 'Julien Laganier' Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:39:13 -0000 Hi all, I support [1] (draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03) as WG document = adoption. It has specified current practices well in details, analyzing gaps and limitations. I hope we'll able to progress the rest of DMM items. Regards, Seil -----Original Message----- From: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Jouni Korhonen Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 12:05 PM To: dmm@ietf.org Cc: Julien Laganier Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document Folks, Just a reminder that ~one more week time to voice your preference! - Jouni On Dec 20, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: >=20 > On Dec 20, 2012, at 2:05 AM, Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano = wrote: >=20 >> Dear chairs, >>=20 >> We have been working on an update of draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis,=20 >> addressing the comments received on the mailing list and during the=20 >> last meeting. Main changes from -02 are: >>=20 >> - New section on 3GPP mobility. >> - New section on functional analysis. >> - New section on combined solution analysis. >> - Several fixes and clean-ups. >>=20 >> We'd like to ask the chairs to replace [1] below with the new=20 >> revision (draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03), that we have just = submitted. >=20 >=20 > This is OK. Consider -03 as the document [1] for the adoption call. >=20 > - Jouni & Julien. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Carlos >>=20 >> On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 22:25 +0200, Jouni Korhonen wrote: >>> Folks, >>>=20 >>> We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies = for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider = two documents on this topic to choose from: >>>=20 >>> [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 [2]=20 >>> draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 >>>=20 >>> and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ = for the WG document. >>>=20 >>> Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the = mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner = justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if there is (rough) = consensus from active WG participants to proceed with selecting one document = against the other.=20 >>>=20 >>> The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We = have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. >>>=20 >>> - Jouni & Julien >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dmm mailing list >>> dmm@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dmm mailing list >> dmm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >=20 _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From pierrick.seite@orange.com Tue Jan 8 07:25:26 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0C121F8AA3 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:25:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F7175qJFWCBa for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8028121F8A94 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.3]) by omfedm09.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 88DCA2DC575; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 16:25:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.183]) by omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 6D4A24C1C8; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 16:25:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::81f:1640:4749:5d13]) by PEXCVZYH02.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 16:25:19 +0100 From: To: 'Jouni Korhonen' , "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] DMM and the framework discussion Thread-Index: AQHN35sS2ribfOO4CkmrrR3nu9sAapg/m5YA Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:25:18 +0000 Message-ID: <3246_1357658719_50EC3A5F_3246_1032_3_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7107D282@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.197.38.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2012.10.24.110314 Subject: Re: [DMM] DMM and the framework discussion X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:25:27 -0000 Hi Jouni, IMHO, it is worth to use generic mobility functions (e.g. ingress/egress re= direction, location update, and so on) to describe and compare mobility sol= utions. Such a framework shall facilitate comparison of solutions and gap a= nalysis. Actually, I think it is the only fair approach. For example, GTP a= nd PMIP may look different from a protocol point of view, but, functionally= , these protocols are similar and meet same requirements. Besides, if I und= erstood well draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-analysis, a functional framework s= hould also allow to identify DMM specific functions in a mobility architect= ure. Here, I'm just expressing interest for a functional framework and the = WG can debate on the exact definition of this functional framework but, any= way, I think draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-analysis is a good start. BR, Pierrick > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de > Jouni Korhonen > Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 20 d=E9cembre 2012 14:50 > =C0=A0: dmm@ietf.org > Objet=A0: [DMM] DMM and the framework discussion >=20 > Folks, >=20 > During the last meeting we had a presentation(s) on DMM framework > approaches. The discussion was somewhat left unfinished during and > after the meeting. It might be useful to have the discussion on the > mailing list now and not to postpone in to the next f2f meeting :) >=20 > Have a read e.g. on draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-analysis and say what > you have to say about DMM frameworks. I keep hearing we lack the > framework and at least I need to understand the possible need for one.. >=20 > - Jouni > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, France Telecom - Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete al= tere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf= ormation that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and dele= te this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, France Telecom - Orange is not liable for message= s that have been modified, changed or falsified. Thank you. From karagian@cs.utwente.nl Tue Jan 8 07:37:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D351121F871C for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:37:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9SkcPOnmb80c for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from EXEDGE02.ad.utwente.nl (exedge02.ad.utwente.nl [130.89.5.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ACF21F86F4 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from EXHUB02.ad.utwente.nl (130.89.4.229) by EXEDGE02.ad.utwente.nl (130.89.5.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 16:37:04 +0100 Received: from EXMBX23.ad.utwente.nl ([169.254.3.250]) by EXHUB02.ad.utwente.nl ([130.89.4.229]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 16:37:04 +0100 From: To: Thread-Topic: [DMM] DMM and the framework discussion Thread-Index: AQHN35sUhwLoNsnT8Uuf+brXX/CkOpg/mMEAgAARBiA= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:37:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: <3246_1357658719_50EC3A5F_3246_1032_3_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7107D282@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <3246_1357658719_50EC3A5F_3246_1032_3_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7107D282@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: nl-NL, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [130.89.12.129] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DMM] DMM and the framework discussion X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:37:06 -0000 Hi all, As I already mentioned during the DMM WG meeting in Atlanta, the DMM WG will benefit when having a framework draft, such the one describ= ed in well draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-analysis, for mainly two reasons: 1) comparison of existing solutions can be done using common terminology an= d generic mobility functions 2) during the specification of the DMM solution well defined mobility funct= ions will be used that are considered to be well understood by the DMM WG m= embers! So I am in favour of having a framework draft and use draft-liebsch-dmm-fra= mework-analysis as a start! Best regards, Georgios > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De=A0: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de > > Jouni Korhonen Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 20 d=E9cembre 2012 14:50 =C0=A0: dmm@= ietf.org > > Objet=A0: [DMM] DMM and the framework discussion > > > > Folks, > > > > During the last meeting we had a presentation(s) on DMM framework > > approaches. The discussion was somewhat left unfinished during and > > after the meeting. It might be useful to have the discussion on the > > mailing list now and not to postpone in to the next f2f meeting :) > > > > Have a read e.g. on draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-analysis and say what > > you have to say about DMM frameworks. I keep hearing we lack the > > framework and at least I need to understand the possible need for one.. > > > > - Jouni > > _______________________________________________ > > dmm mailing list > > dmm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >=20 > __________________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________________ > _____ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exp= loites > ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veu= illez > le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. L= es > messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, France Telecom - > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme o= u > falsifie. Merci. >=20 > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged > information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, > used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and de= lete > this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, France Telecom - Orange is not liable for messa= ges > that have been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From jonghyouk@gmail.com Tue Jan 8 08:54:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74AB1F0CB3 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:54:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8et724nRLZBO for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3C321F84F5 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l1so609353vba.13 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:54:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xpU/jMQm9QTmL+jSNowwka+pq9f/yNug1ATMVCU0Bw4=; b=bylqP+rhQ9fAPuaWtKH5v3WbXgWIWinjTd6lrUg3LaHiCLGS28HnCGlRbqeyjrme6t 8KjtU1Hw5VShY3+DkibMZZaORbrH9qWunhZaqsgX06WD8yMXF8QhUTokldLAtbIslL+i +D6dmHBfP3Zkni7l3K9ZlUvnVIf35iLp8XydRDqW4LvHIHVMBlAKMTy6Hui9tY6aDvHX pXldw4ewqk1CBICeEgWuAW3blgguF8houxvdM3hTUlbbsXg0S+HTKgKaCzWXEiSLGtGe q/eWuHQKzG8wXYw8+PUEnyTt7AyPIdiLU0YCFCNDqM2UKyVmzOvEFam8BryTqTVVvhUd 4V2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.34.4 with SMTP id v4mr75919957vei.57.1357664064133; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.69.116 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:54:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 01:54:24 +0900 Message-ID: From: Jong-Hyouk Lee To: Jouni Korhonen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011840c04459ab04d2c9cc92 Cc: Julien Laganier , dmm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 16:54:25 -0000 --089e011840c04459ab04d2c9cc92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear all, I support [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01, which provides clear current practices of IP mobility protocols and gap analysis. Cheers. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > Folks, > > We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for > that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis" > document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider two > documents on this topic to choose from: > > [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 > [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 > > and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ for > the WG document. > > Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing > list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner justification > for your selection. The chairs will determine if there is (rough) consensus > from active WG participants to proceed with selecting one document against > the other. > > The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have a > longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. > > - Jouni & Julien > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > -- RSM Department, TELECOM Bretagne, France Jong-Hyouk Lee, living somewhere between /dev/null and /dev/random #email: jonghyouk (at) gmail (dot) com #webpage: http://sites.google.com/site/hurryon/ --089e011840c04459ab04d2c9cc92 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all,

I support=C2=A0[2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practice= s-gap-analysis-01, which provides clear current practices of IP mobility pr= otocols and gap analysis.

Cheers.

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Jouni Korhonen <jounikor@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Folks,

We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for tha= t. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis&qu= ot; document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider = two documents on this topic to choose from:

[1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02
[2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01

and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ for th= e WG document.

Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing list.= We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner justification for = your selection. The chairs will determine if there is (rough) consensus fro= m active WG participants to proceed with selecting one document against the= other.

The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have a lo= nger three week call now due the holiday season in between.

- Jouni & Julien
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--089e011840c04459ab04d2c9cc92-- From k.pentikousis@huawei.com Tue Jan 8 09:15:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B5511E80D7 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:15:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hZMnG9HrWvTn for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:15:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC07621F84F0 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ANH74692; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:15:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:14:34 +0000 Received: from SZXEML422-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.161) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:15:42 +0000 Received: from SZXEML545-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.174]) by szxeml422-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.161]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 01:15:36 +0800 From: Konstantinos Pentikousis To: Jouni Korhonen , "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document Thread-Index: AQHN3uzBvADSiV7JsUartCWIv/3k5Zg/pidA Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:15:35 +0000 Message-ID: <8D38716F0C1A444BA0CD7E96454366C23A508621@szxeml545-mbs.china.huawei.com> References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.200.37.56] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: Julien Laganier Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:15:48 -0000 Hi Jouni & Julien, |[1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 |[2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 After going through the two drafts, I think that [2] is in much better shap= e as it stands now to form the _basis_ for a WG document, as it includes a = gap analysis that is more sober, technical, and concise than [1]. I find sec. 2 in [1] useful and better written than the rest of the documen= t, but I'm not in favor of a WG draft that looks into dozens of approaches = and extensions which, due to space concerns, can only stay at a very high l= evel of detail. I would imagine that a journal publication is a more suitab= le venue for this type of work. As it stands now, the core part of [1] (i.e= . gap analysis, sec. 3) is quite repetitive (at times, of the copy+paste va= riant), and runs for several pages which need editing for language and cont= ent. Finally, it appears that based on the Table in section 4.1 (p. 22) of = [1], we're kind of done in DMM: LMA RA (and some salt :) fulfills all REQs. Best regards, Kostas From sjkoh@knu.ac.kr Tue Jan 8 15:32:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA3021F84D8 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:32:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MAdajD7g5z5M for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from spam2.knu.ac.kr (spam2.knu.ac.kr [155.230.10.253]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EDD21F84D5 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2013 15:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown (HELO knu.ac.kr) (155.230.11.8) by 155.230.10.253 with SMTP; 9 Jan 2013 08:32:07 +0900 X-Original-SENDERIP: 155.230.11.8 X-Original-MAILFROM: sjkoh@knu.ac.kr x-beehive-trace: sjkoh@knu.ac.kr dmm@ietf.org 155.230.105.149 Received: from knu.ac.kr by ietf.org with ESMTP (Beehive_knu.ac.kr) for dmm@ietf.org; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:32:12 +0900 (KST) x-beehive-kind: normal x-beehive-modified: received kind From: "Seok-Joo Koh" To: "'Jouni Korhonen'" References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:32:06 +0900 Message-ID: <003601cdedf8$5f1d9920$1d58cb60$@knu.ac.kr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01CDEE43.CF07B220" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AQFGjpZTFGcsNMWOodbz63RqnrjbJQIb7I2bmT3u1iA= Content-Language: ko Cc: 'Julien Laganier' , dmm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:32:18 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CDEE43.CF07B220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy a new year to everyone ! =20 [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 seems to be more = faithful to the original motivations to DMM. =20 In addition, both of the two documents are worthwhile to consider in the = future works on DMM. Accordingly, it is suggested to use [2] = draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 as the base document, and=20 to merge [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 into [2] = draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 appropriately. =20 Cheers, =20 ******************** Seok-Joo Koh sjkoh@knu.ac.kr =20 Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap = analysis" document =20 On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Jouni Korhonen = wrote: =20 Folks, We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for = that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis" = document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider = two documents on this topic to choose from: [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ for = the WG document. Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing = list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner = justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if there is = (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed with selecting = one document against the other. The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have a = longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. - Jouni & Julien _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm =20 --=20 RSM Department, TELECOM Bretagne, France Jong-Hyouk Lee, living somewhere between /dev/null and /dev/random =20 #email: jonghyouk (at) gmail (dot) com #webpage: http://sites.google.com/site/hurryon/ ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01CDEE43.CF07B220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Happy a new year to everyone = !

 

[2] = draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 seems to be more faithful = to the original motivations to DMM.

 

In addition, both of the two = documents are worthwhile to consider in the future works on = DMM.

Accordingly, it is suggested to use = [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 as the base document, = and

to merge [1] = draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 into [2] = draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 = appropriately.

 

Cheers,

 

********************=

Seok-Joo Koh

sjkoh@knu.ac.kr

<= p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'word-break:break-hangul'> 

Subject: Re: [DMM] = Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" = document

 

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:25 AM, = Jouni Korhonen <jounikor@gmail.com> = wrote:

 

Folks,

We are unfortunately = slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for that. The next step = is to select a "current practices and gap analysis" document = to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider two = documents on this topic to choose from:

[1] = draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02
[2] = draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01

and we as a WG need = to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ for the WG = document.

Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] = on the mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a = one-liner justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if = there is (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed with = selecting one document against the other.

The call starts today = 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have a longer three week = call now due the holiday season in between.

- Jouni & = Julien
_______________________________________________
dmm mailing = list
dmm@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm



 

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RSM Department, TELECOM Bretagne, = France

Jong-Hyouk Lee, living somewhere between /dev/null and = /dev/random

 

#email: jonghyouk (at) gmail = (dot) com

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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3440528689_15639772 Content-type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear Chairs, I support this document [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01= . Carl From: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:38:36 +0800 To: Seok-Joo Koh Cc: 'Julien Laganier' , , , 'Jouni Korhonen' Subject: [DMM] =B4=F0=B8=B4: Re: Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document Hi All,=20 I support document [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01. BR=20 liujuan=20 dmm-bounces@ietf.org =D0=B4=D3=DA 2013/01/09 07:32:06: > Happy a new year to everyone ! > =20 > [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 seems to be more > faithful to the original motivations to DMM. > =20 > In addition, both of the two documents are worthwhile to consider in > the future works on DMM. > Accordingly, it is suggested to use [2] draft-liu-dmm-best- > practices-gap-analysis-01 as the base document, and > to merge [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 into [2] draft-liu- > dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 appropriately. > =20 > Cheers, > =20 > ******************** > Seok-Joo Koh > sjkoh@knu.ac.kr > =20 > Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and > gap analysis" document > =20 > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrot= e: > =20 > Folks, >=20 > We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies > for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap > analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. > We consider two documents on this topic to choose from: >=20 > [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 > [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 >=20 > and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ > for the WG document. >=20 > Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the > mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one- > liner justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if > there is (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed > with selecting one document against the other. >=20 > The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We > have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. >=20 > - Jouni & Julien > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >=20 > =20 > --=20 > RSM Department, TELECOM Bretagne, France > Jong-Hyouk Lee, living somewhere between /dev/null and /dev/random > =20 > #email: jonghyouk (at) gmail (dot) com > #webpage: http://sites.google.com/site/hurryon/ > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm -------------------------------------------------------- ZTE Information Security Notice: The information contained in this mail (an= d any attachment transmitted herewith) is privileged and confidential and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). 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Dear Chairs,

  I support this document  [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01<= /font>.
<= br>

   Carl


From: <liu.juan45@zte.com.cn>
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:38:36 +0800
To: Seok-Joo Koh <sjkoh@knu.ac.kr>
Cc: 'Ju= lien Laganier' <jlaganier@juniper.= net>, <dmm-bounces@ietf.org<= /a>>, <dmm@ietf.org>, 'Jouni Korh= onen' <jounikor@gmail.com>
= Subject: [DMM] =B4=F0=B8=B4: Re: Call for WG= Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document
<= br>

Hi All, =

I support document [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practic= es-gap-analysis-01.

BR
liujuan

dmm-bounces@ietf.org =D0=B4=D3=DA 2013/01/09 07:32:06:
> Happy a new year to everyone !
> =  
> [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practic= es-gap-analysis-01 seems to be more
> faithful to the original motivations to DMM.
>  
> In addition, bot= h of the two documents are worthwhile to consider in
> the future works on DMM.
> Accord= ingly, it is suggested to use [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-
> practices-gap-analysis-01 as the base document, and
> to merge [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 into [2] draft-liu-
> dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 appropriately.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> ********************
> Seok-Joo K= oh
> s= jkoh@knu.ac.kr
>  =
> Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and
> gap analysis" document
>  
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Jouni= Korhonen <jounikor@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
<= tt>> Folks,
>
> We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies
> for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap
> analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. > We consider two documents on this topic to choose from:
>
> [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02
> [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01
>
> and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ > for the WG document.
>
> Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the
> mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-
> liner justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if
> there is (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed
> with selecting one document against the other.
>
> The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We
> have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. >
> - Jouni & Julien
> _______________________________________________
> dmm mailing list
> dmm@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>
=
>  
= > --
> RSM Department, TELECOM Bret= agne, France
> Jong-Hyouk Lee, living s= omewhere between /dev/null and /dev/random
>  > #email: jonghyouk (at) gmail (dot) com=
> #webpage: http://sites.google.com/site/hurryon/
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> dmm@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/dmm


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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dmm@ietf.org References: <93720FE55DA3044C9F74B2962338F7DE8A4E815380@AUSX7MCPC109.AMER.DELL.COM> <50E6CEC1.1050805@innovationslab.net> In-Reply-To: <50E6CEC1.1050805@innovationslab.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [DMM] Mobility-related work in the IEEE X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:53:41 -0000 Thanks for the notice. Browsing the Internet I could find that 'OMNI' stands for Open Mobile Network Interface (not necessarily the latin prefix 'omni' like in omnibus stopping everywhere.) But I wonder what is more about OmniRAN and what is it going to study. Is there an interaction with the Logical Interface work in NETEXT? draft-ietf-netext-logical-interface-support-06.txt Or otherwise a relationship to DMM? Alex Le 04/01/2013 13:44, Brian Haberman a écrit : > All, As per the note below, the IEEE has approved the OmniRAN study > group. There is potential for significant interactions between > OmniRAN and the IETF on mobility-related work. > > Regards, Brian > > > -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [new-work] Status of > Study Groups per November 2012 IEEE 802 Plenary Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 > 14:48:13 -0600 From: To: > > > Dear Colleagues, The following Study Groups were approved at the > November 2012 IEEE 802 Plenary - > > 1. IEEE 802, "OmniRAN" EC Study Group 2. IEEE 802.1 "802.11 > Bridging" Study Group 3. IEEE 802.3 "Reduced Twisted Pair Gigabit > Ethernet" Study Group 4. IEEE 802.3 "Next Generation BASE-T" Study > Group 5. IEEE 802.3 "Distinguished Minimum Latency Traffic in a > Converged Traffic Environment" Study Group 6. IEEE 802.11 > "Pre-association Discovery (PAD)" Study Group 7. IEEE 802.11 > "General Link (GLK)" Study Group 8. IEEE 802.15 "Ultra Low Power" > Study Group 9. IEEE 802.15 "Layer 2 Routing" Study Group Please > note, per the IEEE 802 LMSC Policies and Procedures that a Study > Group is chartered plenary session-to-plenary session. Therefore, > the Study Groups, listed above and found at > http://www.ieee802.org/StudyGroups.shtml, are chartered until the > IEEE 802 March 2013 Plenary Session. > > Please note that IEEE meetings are open and may be attended by any > individuals who register and fulfill any registration fees. Details > regarding future IEEE 802 plenary meeting schedules may be found at > http://www.ieee802.org/PARs.shtml. Please refer to individual > working groups for their interim meeting schedules. A listing of all > working groups may be found at http://www.ieee802.org/. > > Best Regards, John D'Ambrosia IEEE 802 LMSC Recording Secretary > > Note - This email solely represents the views of the IEEE 802 LMSC > and does not necessarily represent a position of the IEEE or the IEEE > Standards Association. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > From alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com Wed Jan 9 02:26:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D59421F8678 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:26:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KbnSdlIy2Tiw for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708D521F858E for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.3) with ESMTP id r09AQENn006118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:26:14 +0100 Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r09AQE5X027797 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:26:14 +0100 (envelope-from alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (is010446-4.intra.cea.fr [10.8.33.116]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.2) with ESMTP id r09AQA6x001957 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:26:14 +0100 Message-ID: <50ED45C2.10109@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 11:26:10 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dmm@ietf.org References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [DMM] brief comparison (was: Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document) X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 10:26:17 -0000 Hello DMMers, I take advantage of this request to expose briefly a comparison between the two drafts draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03 and draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01. The first analyses gaps between DMM reqs and MIP6, MIP6-RO, HMIP, HAswitch, flow mobility, src adr selection. Each of these is an actual mechanism. The second: although it also lists such mechanisms, it guides the gap analysis by a few mobility management functions, which are abstracted out of the existing protocols. These functions are anchoring, mobility routing, internetwork location management, location update. I do have a preference for this latter approach. However, I also think a refinement of its abstraction is possible. For example, there are more functions which MIP6 does and which are not reflected in the abstraction, e.g. DHAAD. Also, the route optimization mechanism seems better analyzed in the former document. Finally, none of the documents mentions the tunnelling-vs-non-tunnelling approaches, although the former draft leads indirectly to a location-id split method (which includes translation in that case, see Liebsch, translation which is incomplete too because not mentioning the implemented NPT IPv6 RFC6292) (and non-tunnelling host-based routes are possible without translation). That is for discussion only, Subject changed. Yours, Alex Le 19/12/2012 21:25, Jouni Korhonen a écrit : > Folks, > > We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies > for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap > analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. > We consider two documents on this topic to choose from: > > [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 [2] > draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 > > and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ > for the WG document. > > Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing > list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner > justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if there > is (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed with > selecting one document against the other. > > The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We > have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. > > - Jouni & Julien _______________________________________________ dmm > mailing list dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > From Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu Wed Jan 9 02:40:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C991021F86A1 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:40:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FWxgK7Z-VMtl for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu (mailer1.neclab.eu [195.37.70.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072CE21F868B for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B214102CA1; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:40:56 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (netlab.nec.de) Received: from mailer1.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas-a.office.hd [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kxe8O5WwO+-L; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:40:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from ENCELADUS.office.hd (enceladus.office.hd [192.168.24.52]) by mailer1.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C56102C9E; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:40:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from DAPHNIS.office.hd ([169.254.2.64]) by ENCELADUS.office.hd ([192.168.24.52]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:40:15 +0100 From: Marco Liebsch To: Jouni Korhonen , "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] DMM and the framework discussion Thread-Index: AQHN35sbC8LcumuD4kOt58hOQ0nqpZhA5OxA Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:40:15 +0000 Message-ID: <69756203DDDDE64E987BC4F70B71A26D551998A8@DAPHNIS.office.hd> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.1.6.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DMM] DMM and the framework discussion X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 10:40:57 -0000 Hi Jouni, all, to complement what has been written already, I think once we agreed on a framework it helps doing a comprehensive gap analysis. Based on a common understanding of how DMM scenarios work, the framework defines functions that can add to a basic set of assumed mobility/tunnel management functions= . If a certain mobility protocol supports one or more DMM function intrinsica= lly, fine. If not, the available protocol may be extended to enable that functio= n. Or an external protocol can be considered to provide that functionality. My impression from past DMM meetings is that there is a common understandin= g of DMM in general, but folks still have different expectation from DMM supp= ort and associated IP address continuity. Also assumptions on hosts are different (= e.g. multi-anchor capability, maintenance of associated uplink routes, etc.). A framework could classify DMM functions as mandatory or optional, dependen= t on the target scenario and level of path optimization that should be suppor= ted. Some functions according to draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-analysis could be placed even on the host to see if host mobility protocols can contribute to= DMM operation. I see the framework as required portion of the top-down gap analysis and de= sign approach. Last but not least it allows building a DMM architecture and depl= oyment of associated protocols beyond mobility protocol scope, e.g. by contributions = from the routing plane above mobility anchor level. I understand that the DMM WG may focus mainly = on mobility protocols first, but the framework can document DMM solutions in a broader scope, whi= ch may attract readers beyond the DMM WG. =20 marco=20 >-----Original Message----- >From: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >Jouni Korhonen >Sent: Donnerstag, 20. Dezember 2012 14:50 >To: dmm@ietf.org >Subject: [DMM] DMM and the framework discussion > >Folks, > >During the last meeting we had a presentation(s) on DMM framework >approaches. The discussion was somewhat left unfinished during and after t= he >meeting. It might be useful to have the discussion on the mailing list now= and >not to postpone in to the next f2f meeting :) > >Have a read e.g. on draft-liebsch-dmm-framework-analysis and say what you >have to say about DMM frameworks. I keep hearing we lack the framework and >at least I need to understand the possible need for one.. > >- Jouni >_______________________________________________ >dmm mailing list >dmm@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From k.pentikousis@huawei.com Wed Jan 9 02:51:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8280821F85D7 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:51:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZPM03IFZLpbQ for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6F221F868D for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ANI29732; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 10:51:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML403-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) by lhreml204-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.7.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:50:11 +0000 Received: from SZXEML414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.153) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:51:08 +0000 Received: from SZXEML545-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.174]) by SZXEML414-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.153]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:51:02 +0800 From: Konstantinos Pentikousis To: "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: CfP: ICC 2013 Workshop M2D2 Thread-Index: Ac3uVzU5nfTqwaRmT5+34Gs84bc8Rw== Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:51:01 +0000 Message-ID: <8D38716F0C1A444BA0CD7E96454366C23A508764@szxeml545-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.200.37.56] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: [DMM] CfP: ICC 2013 Workshop M2D2 X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 10:51:36 -0000 Dear all, The submission deadline for the IEEE ICC 2013 workshop on managing the mobi= le data deluge (M2D2) has been extended to 25 January 2013. All accepted pa= pers will be included in IEEE Xplore. You can find the CfP and submission i= nstructions at http://m2d2.atnog.org/. M2D2 is pertinent to DMM as topics of particular interest include: * New mobility management paradigms adapted for high data mobile traffic (e= .g., distributed mobility schemes, multicast mobility, flow-based mobility,= hetnets, link-dependent video transcoding, etc.). * Data deluge-related standardization efforts (IEEE, IETF, ETSI and 3GPP). For more topics of interest please have a look at the web site and feel fre= e to contact us if you have any questions. We're looking forward to your contributions. Best regards, Kostas (on behalf of the organizing committee) From pierrick.seite@orange.com Wed Jan 9 05:24:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DF021F86E4 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 05:24:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gLQtKx0YNRHo for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 05:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais-inet.francetelecom.com (relais-ias91.francetelecom.com [193.251.215.91]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE2B21F86D4 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 05:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.3]) by omfedm10.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 89FEE26472A; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:24:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme1.itn.ftgroup (unknown [10.114.1.183]) by omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 7058A4C0A1; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:24:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::81f:1640:4749:5d13]) by PEXCVZYH02.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:24:50 +0100 From: To: 'Alexandru Petrescu' , "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] brief comparison (was: Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document) Thread-Index: AQHN7lPFJGabvMV4L0OlgmSGHv3kF5hAy03g Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 13:24:49 +0000 Message-ID: <22378_1357737890_50ED6FA2_22378_7334_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7107DAAE@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> <50ED45C2.10109@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <50ED45C2.10109@gmail.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.197.38.2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2013.1.9.124535 Subject: Re: [DMM] brief comparison (was: Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document) X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 13:24:53 -0000 Hi Alex, Please see inline. Pierrick > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de > Alexandru Petrescu > Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 9 janvier 2013 11:26 > =C0=A0: dmm@ietf.org > Objet=A0: Re: [DMM] brief comparison (was: Call for WG Adoption of a > "current practices and gap analysis" document) >=20 > Hello DMMers, >=20 > I take advantage of this request to expose briefly a comparison between > the two drafts draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03 and draft-liu-dmm-best- > practices-gap-analysis-01. >=20 > The first analyses gaps between DMM reqs and MIP6, MIP6-RO, HMIP, > HAswitch, flow mobility, src adr selection. Each of these is an actual > mechanism. >=20 > The second: although it also lists such mechanisms, it guides the gap > analysis by a few mobility management functions, which are abstracted > out of the existing protocols. These functions are anchoring, mobility > routing, internetwork location management, location update. >=20 > I do have a preference for this latter approach. >=20 > However, I also think a refinement of its abstraction is possible. For > example, there are more functions which MIP6 does and which are not > reflected in the abstraction, e.g. DHAAD. >=20 You're right. Actually your comment is related to the "DMM and the framewor= k discussion" has been initiated by Jouni: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dmm/current/msg00542.html=20 clearly, the functional framework is to be refined but I think we can agree= on the relevance of the approach for the analysis. Right? > Also, the route optimization mechanism seems better analyzed in the > former document. >=20 > Finally, none of the documents mentions the tunnelling-vs-non- > tunnelling approaches, although the former draft leads indirectly to a > location-id split method (which includes translation in that case, see > Liebsch, translation which is incomplete too because not mentioning the > implemented NPT IPv6 RFC6292) (and non-tunnelling host-based routes are > possible without translation). Actually, as you mentioned, draft-liu does not claim to cover all possible = protocols. This I-D focuses, intentionally, on protocols that are deployed = today. However, the list of protocols can of course be expanded if useful.= =20 Pierrick >=20 > That is for discussion only, Subject changed. >=20 > Yours, >=20 > Alex >=20 > Le 19/12/2012 21:25, Jouni Korhonen a =E9crit : > > Folks, > > > > We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies > > for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap > > analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. > > We consider two documents on this topic to choose from: > > > > [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 [2] > > draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 > > > > and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ > > for the WG document. > > > > Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing > > list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner > > justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if there > > is (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed with > > selecting one document against the other. > > > > The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. 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From alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com Wed Jan 9 05:32:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E1321F8607 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 05:32:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Dh635SL-CeY for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 05:32:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6640621F85B8 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 05:32:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.3) with ESMTP id r09DWjSn018073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:32:45 +0100 Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r09DWig7032368; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:32:45 +0100 (envelope-from alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (is010446-4.intra.cea.fr [10.8.33.116]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.2) with ESMTP id r09DWd8e007338; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:32:44 +0100 Message-ID: <50ED7177.8080009@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:32:39 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pierrick.seite@orange.com References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> <50ED45C2.10109@gmail.com> <22378_1357737890_50ED6FA2_22378_7334_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7107DAAE@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <22378_1357737890_50ED6FA2_22378_7334_1_81C77F07008CA24F9783A98CFD706F7107DAAE@PEXCVZYM12.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "dmm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [DMM] brief comparison X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 13:32:47 -0000 Hi Pierrick, Le 09/01/2013 14:24, pierrick.seite@orange.com a écrit : > Hi Alex, > > Please see inline. > > Pierrick > >> -----Message d'origine----- De : dmm-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Alexandru Petrescu >> Envoyé : mercredi 9 janvier 2013 11:26 À : dmm@ietf.org Objet : Re: >> [DMM] brief comparison (was: Call for WG Adoption of a "current >> practices and gap analysis" document) >> >> Hello DMMers, >> >> I take advantage of this request to expose briefly a comparison >> between the two drafts draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03 and >> draft-liu-dmm-best- practices-gap-analysis-01. >> >> The first analyses gaps between DMM reqs and MIP6, MIP6-RO, HMIP, >> HAswitch, flow mobility, src adr selection. Each of these is an >> actual mechanism. >> >> The second: although it also lists such mechanisms, it guides the >> gap analysis by a few mobility management functions, which are >> abstracted out of the existing protocols. These functions are >> anchoring, mobility routing, internetwork location management, >> location update. >> >> I do have a preference for this latter approach. >> >> However, I also think a refinement of its abstraction is possible. >> For example, there are more functions which MIP6 does and which are >> not reflected in the abstraction, e.g. DHAAD. >> > > You're right. Actually your comment is related to the "DMM and the > framework discussion" has been initiated by Jouni: > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dmm/current/msg00542.html > clearly, the functional framework is to be refined but I think we can > agree on the relevance of the approach for the analysis. Right? Yes, I the approach is relevant for the analysis. >> Also, the route optimization mechanism seems better analyzed in >> the former document. >> >> Finally, none of the documents mentions the tunnelling-vs-non- >> tunnelling approaches, although the former draft leads indirectly >> to a location-id split method (which includes translation in that >> case, see Liebsch, translation which is incomplete too because not >> mentioning the implemented NPT IPv6 RFC6292) (and non-tunnelling >> host-based routes are possible without translation). > > Actually, as you mentioned, draft-liu does not claim to cover all > possible protocols. This I-D focuses, intentionally, on protocols > that are deployed today. However, the list of protocols can of course > be expanded if useful. Ah I see, that's why. I agree - protocols that are deployed today. Alex > > Pierrick >> >> That is for discussion only, Subject changed. >> >> Yours, >> >> Alex >> >> Le 19/12/2012 21:25, Jouni Korhonen a écrit : >>> Folks, >>> >>> We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) >>> apologies for that. The next step is to select a "current >>> practices and gap analysis" document to serve as the basis for >>> the future WG document. We consider two documents on this topic >>> to choose from: >>> >>> [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 [2] >>> draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 >>> >>> and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the >>> _basis_ for the WG document. >>> >>> Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the >>> mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a >>> one-liner justification for your selection. The chairs will >>> determine if there is (rough) consensus from active WG >>> participants to proceed with selecting one document against the >>> other. >>> >>> The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. >>> We >> have >>> a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. >>> >>> - Jouni & Julien _______________________________________________ >>> dmm mailing list dmm@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list >> dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Thank you. > > > From lmcm@tid.es Wed Jan 9 06:49:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE4A21F8807 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 06:49:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.651, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Zp+hnyyJSQz for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 06:49:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from correo-bck.tid.es (correo-bck.tid.es [195.235.93.200]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595C521F87D1 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 06:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbrightmailg02.hi.inet (Sbrightmailg02.hi.inet [10.95.78.105]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0MGD00CZ0565AP@tid.hi.inet> for dmm@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:49:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from vanvan (vanvan.hi.inet [10.95.78.49]) by sbrightmailg02.hi.inet (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id E1.93.02896.C638DE05; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:49:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from correo.tid.es (mailhost.hi.inet [10.95.64.100]) by tid.hi.inet (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPS id <0MGD00CYU564AP@tid.hi.inet> for dmm@ietf.org; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:49:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from EX10-MB2-MAD.hi.inet ([169.254.2.223]) by ex10-htcas4-mad.hi.inet ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:49:15 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:49:14 +0000 From: LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO X-Originating-IP: [10.95.64.115] To: Jouni Korhonen , "dmm@ietf.org" Message-id: <823234EF5C7C334998D973D822FF801B1EE081DD@EX10-MB2-MAD.hi.inet> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UN9rksatgVEjX1XQn8tqlA)" Content-language: es-ES Accept-Language: es-ES, en-US Thread-topic: RE: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document Thread-index: Ac3ueFaEt3/oVcIgQ3SlaX/ffz9EYw== X-AuditID: 0a5f4e69-b7f636d000000b50-0f-50ed836c3386 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrIKsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXCFe9nqJvT/DbAYMZTK4v7j2ocGD2WLPnJ FMAYxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJVx79FF1oK5yhWvdh9lbWB8LNfFyMkhIWAisXNWFzuELSZx4d56 ti5GLg4hgW2MEksWLmCEcL4xSiz6P48JwpnJKDFz6RRGkBYWAVWJMzP3soDYbAKGErN2TmIF sYUFYiTmb77NAjFWQeLPucdgtoiAl0TDq0dgNrOAtsTEM1eZQGxeAW+J9p41jBC2oMSPyfeg anIlJi76zgxhi0vM+TURbD6jgKzEyvOnGSFmJko0X97HDGHrSfx618gKsVdAYsme88wQtqjE y8f/WCcwisxCsmIWkhWzkKyAsPUkbkydwjYL6tRlC19D1ehKzPh3iAVZfAEj+ypGseKkosz0 jJLcxMycdAMjvYxMvcy81JJNjJA4ytzBuHynyiFGAQ5GJR7eH45vA4RYE8uKK3MPMUpyMCmJ 8s6qAwrxJeWnVGYkFmfEF5XmpBYfYpTgYFYS4X1UBJTjTUmsrEotyodJyXBwKEnw6jQBpQSL UtNTK9Iyc4DJAibNxMEJ0s4D1J4OUsNbXJCYW5yZDpE/xajKcergnaeMQix5+XmpUuK8uSBF AiBFGaV5cHNeMYoDHSzMywmS5QGmO7gJr4CGMwENnzP1DcjwkkSElFQD4xYhhes1Wkxph/qX xZseVGrgqsh03bLuYHT6kqU/+Rqvzzgt3LRJRPXvcz/dwnPafjfPrVeYuXhiedp/iX8Kof3r RdT4Pu6+6Ga38OCuVHdVv39qe72YS37Z8vsofo1haufgFN3Tf6Swe34I842kOe0vd4g27eRd uvfQof9NVo++huw6zdzkqcRSnJFoqMVcVJwIAFbg+/E0AwAA Cc: Julien Laganier Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 14:49:22 -0000 --Boundary_(ID_UN9rksatgVEjX1XQn8tqlA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jouni, all, I do support draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 as the base document for the = DMM gap analysis. In my opinion this document is more complete, better stru= ctured and documented, broadly covering the purpose of reviewing existing p= rotocols and analyzing how they fit on the DMM framework. Best regards, Luis ________________________________ Luis M. Contreras Technology / Global CTO / Telef=F3nica Efficiency Projects / Telef=F3nica I+D Distrito Telef=F3nica, Edificio Sur 3, Planta 3 28050 Madrid Espa=F1a / Spain lmcm@tid.es ________________________________ Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario. Puede consultar nu= estra pol=EDtica de env=EDo y recepci=F3n de correo electr=F3nico en el enl= ace situado m=E1s abajo. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee. We only send and re= ceive email on the basis of the terms set out at: http://www.tid.es/ES/PAGINAS/disclaimer.aspx --Boundary_(ID_UN9rksatgVEjX1XQn8tqlA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Jouni, all,

 

I do support draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 as = the base document for the DMM gap analysis. In my opinion this document is = more complete, better structured and documented, broadly covering the purpo= se of reviewing existing protocols and analyzing how they fit on the DMM framework.

 

Best regards,

 

Luis

 

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 --Boundary_(ID_UN9rksatgVEjX1XQn8tqlA)-- From suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com Wed Jan 9 07:04:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699DA21F8688 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 07:04:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VOjiNxBsSyFm for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 07:04:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from imr4.ericy.com (imr4.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7428B21F8689 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 07:04:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.93]) by imr4.ericy.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id r09FIsNZ023688; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:19:00 -0600 Received: from eusaamw0707.eamcs.ericsson.se (147.117.20.32) by EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se (147.117.188.93) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:04:08 -0500 Received: from [164.48.125.13] (147.117.20.214) by smtps-am.internal.ericsson.com (147.117.20.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.3.279.1; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:04:07 -0500 Message-ID: <50ED864D.101@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:01:33 -0500 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexandru Petrescu References: <93720FE55DA3044C9F74B2962338F7DE8A4E815380@AUSX7MCPC109.AMER.DELL.COM> <50E6CEC1.1050805@innovationslab.net> <50ED300C.8020202@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <50ED300C.8020202@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: dmm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DMM] Mobility-related work in the IEEE X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:04:24 -0000 Hi Alex, Charlie gave an introduction to OmniRAN at the Vancouver intarea meeting. You can get the slides here. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-intarea-6.pdf Thanks Suresh On 01/09/2013 03:53 AM, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: > Thanks for the notice. > > Browsing the Internet I could find that 'OMNI' stands for Open Mobile > Network Interface (not necessarily the latin prefix 'omni' like in > omnibus stopping everywhere.) > > But I wonder what is more about OmniRAN and what is it going to study. > > Is there an interaction with the Logical Interface work in NETEXT? > draft-ietf-netext-logical-interface-support-06.txt > > Or otherwise a relationship to DMM? > > Alex > > Le 04/01/2013 13:44, Brian Haberman a écrit : >> All, As per the note below, the IEEE has approved the OmniRAN study >> group. There is potential for significant interactions between >> OmniRAN and the IETF on mobility-related work. >> >> Regards, Brian >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [new-work] Status of >> Study Groups per November 2012 IEEE 802 Plenary Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 >> 14:48:13 -0600 From: To: >> >> >> Dear Colleagues, The following Study Groups were approved at the >> November 2012 IEEE 802 Plenary - >> >> 1. IEEE 802, "OmniRAN" EC Study Group 2. IEEE 802.1 "802.11 >> Bridging" Study Group 3. IEEE 802.3 "Reduced Twisted Pair Gigabit >> Ethernet" Study Group 4. IEEE 802.3 "Next Generation BASE-T" Study >> Group 5. IEEE 802.3 "Distinguished Minimum Latency Traffic in a >> Converged Traffic Environment" Study Group 6. IEEE 802.11 >> "Pre-association Discovery (PAD)" Study Group 7. IEEE 802.11 >> "General Link (GLK)" Study Group 8. IEEE 802.15 "Ultra Low Power" >> Study Group 9. IEEE 802.15 "Layer 2 Routing" Study Group Please >> note, per the IEEE 802 LMSC Policies and Procedures that a Study >> Group is chartered plenary session-to-plenary session. Therefore, >> the Study Groups, listed above and found at >> http://www.ieee802.org/StudyGroups.shtml, are chartered until the >> IEEE 802 March 2013 Plenary Session. >> >> Please note that IEEE meetings are open and may be attended by any >> individuals who register and fulfill any registration fees. Details >> regarding future IEEE 802 plenary meeting schedules may be found at >> http://www.ieee802.org/PARs.shtml. Please refer to individual >> working groups for their interim meeting schedules. A listing of all >> working groups may be found at http://www.ieee802.org/. >> >> Best Regards, John D'Ambrosia IEEE 802 LMSC Recording Secretary >> >> Note - This email solely represents the views of the IEEE 802 LMSC >> and does not necessarily represent a position of the IEEE or the IEEE >> Standards Association. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list >> dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Wed Jan 9 08:04:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAC411E80AE for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:04:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.416, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RCwPLE3w1FLx for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:04:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com (mail-la0-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C1F11E809C for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:04:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-la0-f50.google.com with SMTP id fs13so2055456lab.37 for ; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:04:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UjF9Z+f8FOEVgN2mmiMNkTOQuQDGx1dXvQHtAiyyCX8=; b=CvvKpQkfbRAtTEIYcPc6Es2rrQqaGTFCq/WkQ0BTGAOcKTL39B2F31Dy2RL7PrltgF /edFvRwB1E/fNtWDxDJ/kXaL5anmRwknvTA5EPXv5AaPy6N6L9AIWLAoG4feyc/UnYYl k5LLOFeZUILJCcsczHhPqAYYNU4ic0/fnWaXJcL+67TQFKO0WEpCIT/LCy9c38B6xJNM jUeEsSP6Jtc/RV7W65kxRtDLRCfUm7zNyh22CoiQ1ZKKGLLMf8UPwwdOdR+7yElFooDb 3ZCvnq7LfwYTzDX0KosHGTzafDEMIi0mqEw8CJn0xKeSSsB8EMkTvwBwI8rnlGqpqF3r S/Ig== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.148.164 with SMTP id tt4mr25380494lab.28.1357747446559; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.78.37 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:04:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <003601cdedf8$5f1d9920$1d58cb60$@knu.ac.kr> References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> <003601cdedf8$5f1d9920$1d58cb60$@knu.ac.kr> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 10:04:06 -0600 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: Seok-Joo Koh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22c4253f33fb04d2dd36e4 Cc: Julien Laganier , dmm@ietf.org, Jouni Korhonen Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:04:16 -0000 --e89a8f22c4253f33fb04d2dd36e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Seok-Joo Koh wrote: > Happy a new year to everyone !**** > > ** ** > > [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 seems to be more faithful > to the original motivations to DMM.**** > > ** ** > > In addition, both of the two documents are worthwhile to consider in the > future works on DMM.**** > > Accordingly, it is suggested to use [2] > draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 as the base document, and *** > * > > to merge [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 into [2] > draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 appropriately.**** > > ** > Folks let's be realistic. I conjecture that both documents will end up becoming WG drafts. Why? Consider what happened in Softwire. Since both are informational, no problem. Regards, Behcet > ** > > Cheers,**** > > ** ** > > ************************ > > Seok-Joo Koh**** > > sjkoh@knu.ac.kr**** > > ** ** > > *Subject:* Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap > analysis" document**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Jouni Korhonen > wrote:**** > > ** ** > > Folks, > > We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for > that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis" > document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider two > documents on this topic to choose from: > > [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 > [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 > > and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ for > the WG document. > > Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing > list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner justification > for your selection. The chairs will determine if there is (rough) consensus > from active WG participants to proceed with selecting one document against > the other. > > The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have a > longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. > > - Jouni & Julien > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- **** > > RSM Department, TELECOM Bretagne, France**** > > Jong-Hyouk Lee, living somewhere between /dev/null and /dev/random**** > > ** ** > > #email: jonghyouk (at) gmail (dot) com**** > > #webpage: http://sites.google.com/site/hurryon/**** > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > --e89a8f22c4253f33fb04d2dd36e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Seok-Joo= Koh <sjkoh@knu.ac.kr> wrote:

Happy a new year to everyone !=

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[2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 seems to be more fai= thful to the original motivations to DMM.

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In addition, both of the two documents are worthwhile to consider in = the future works on DMM.

Accordingly= , it is suggested to use [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 a= s the base document, and

to merge [1= ] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 into [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-ga= p-analysis-01 appropriately.

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Folks let's be realistic. I conjectur= e that both documents will end up becoming WG drafts. Why? Consider what ha= ppened in Softwire.

Since both are informational, no problem.

Regards,

Behcet

Cheers,

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Seok-Joo Koh<= /p>

sjkoh@knu.ac.kr

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Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practi= ces and gap analysis" document

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On Thu= , Dec 20, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Jouni Korhonen <jounikor@gmail.com> wrote:<= /span>

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Folks,

= We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for tha= t. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis&qu= ot; document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider = two documents on this topic to choose from:

[1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02
[2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practice= s-gap-analysis-01

and we as a WG need to decide which one is going t= o form the _basis_ for the WG document.

Please voice your preference= either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing list. We would appreciate if you = can also provide a one-liner justification for your selection. The chairs w= ill determine if there is (rough) consensus from active WG participants to = proceed with selecting one document against the other.

The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have = a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between.

- Jo= uni & Julien
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dmm mailing list
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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm



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<= /u>=A0

-= -

RSM Department, TELECOM Br= etagne, France

Jong-Hyouk Lee, living somewhere between /dev/null and /= dev/random

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#email:=A0jo= nghyouk (at) gmail (dot) com


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--e89a8f22c4253f33fb04d2dd36e4-- From fabio.giust@imdea.org Wed Jan 9 09:33:57 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCF121F8615 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:33:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.15 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_MULTIPLE_AT=1.449] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VsMULCqAX0dV for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from estafeta.imdea.org (maquina46.madrimasd.org [193.145.15.46]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A2721F84F3 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (estafeta21.imdea.org [172.17.99.144]) by estafeta21.imdea.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6E218B487 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:33:50 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam-antivirus system at imdea.org Received: from estafeta.imdea.org ([172.17.99.144]) by localhost (estafeta21.imdea.org [172.17.99.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sPf5tXYZA9qN for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:33:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from Fabbbbio (unknown [163.117.140.235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: fabio.giust) by estafeta21.imdea.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49771189FDA for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:33:50 +0100 (CET) From: "Fabio Giust" To: References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> <1355961906.4191.183.camel@acorde.it.uc3m.es> <4C82218A-7CAC-4146-9F0B-3716EEE1882E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:33:49 +0100 Message-ID: <005501cdee8f$7c73a4a0$755aede0$@giust@imdea.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac3pqoZFcTjrKNjMSGG4OlEHW5cyKAE5IkRQ Content-Language: es Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:33:57 -0000 Hi all, I'd like to support [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03 as baseline = draft, as I think it is more complete and provides a better structure for = further developments and extensions within the WG. Best Regards, Fabio |-----Original Message----- |From: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of |Jouni Korhonen |Sent: jueves, 03 de enero de 2013 13:05 |To: dmm@ietf.org |Cc: Julien Laganier |Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap |analysis" document | | |Folks, | |Just a reminder that ~one more week time to voice your preference! | |- Jouni | | |On Dec 20, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Jouni Korhonen = wrote: | |> |> On Dec 20, 2012, at 2:05 AM, Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano | wrote: |> |>> Dear chairs, |>> |>> We have been working on an update of draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis, |>> addressing the comments received on the mailing list and during the |>> last meeting. Main changes from -02 are: |>> |>> - New section on 3GPP mobility. |>> - New section on functional analysis. |>> - New section on combined solution analysis. |>> - Several fixes and clean-ups. |>> |>> We'd like to ask the chairs to replace [1] below with the new |>> revision (draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03), that we have just |submitted. |> |> |> This is OK. Consider -03 as the document [1] for the adoption call. |> |> - Jouni & Julien. |> |> |> |> |>> |>> Thanks! |>> |>> Carlos |>> |>> On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 22:25 +0200, Jouni Korhonen wrote: |>>> Folks, |>>> |>>> We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies |for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap |analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We |consider two documents on this topic to choose from: |>>> |>>> [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 [2] |>>> draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 |>>> |>>> and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the = _basis_ |for the WG document. |>>> |>>> Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the |mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner |justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if there is |(rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed with selecting |one document against the other. |>>> |>>> The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We |have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. |>>> |>>> - Jouni & Julien |>>> _______________________________________________ |>>> dmm mailing list |>>> dmm@ietf.org |>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm |>> |>> |>> _______________________________________________ |>> dmm mailing list |>> dmm@ietf.org |>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm |> | |_______________________________________________ |dmm mailing list |dmm@ietf.org |https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From hyjung@etri.re.kr Wed Jan 9 16:31:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D375111E8097 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:31:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t6VqI0b1wIje for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailx.etri.re.kr (mailx.etri.re.kr [129.254.38.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97511F0C6A for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from SMTPEG1.etri.info (ssbmailx [127.0.0.1]) by mailx.etri.re.kr (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r0A0Vlmt010662 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:31:48 +0900 Received: from SMTP2.etri.info (129.254.28.72) by SMTPEG1.etri.info (129.254.27.141) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:31:47 +0900 Received: from HYJUNG (129.254.72.170) by SMTP2.etri.info (129.254.28.72) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.355.2; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:31:45 +0900 From: HY JUNG To: References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:31:43 +0900 Organization: ETRI Message-ID: <002a01cdeec9$ddbd72b0$99385810$@etri.re.kr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFGjpZTFGcsNMWOodbz63RqnrjbJZlQdVlg Content-Language: ko X-Originating-IP: [129.254.72.170] Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: hyjung@etri.re.kr List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:31:52 -0000 Hello folks, I support document [2] and some beneficial contents of [1], I think, can be merged to [2] Thank you. BRs, Heeyoung JUNG > -----Original Message----- > From: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Jouni Korhonen > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 5:25 AM > To: dmm@ietf.org > Cc: Julien Laganier > Subject: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap > analysis" document > > > Folks, > > We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for > that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis" > document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider > two documents on this topic to choose from: > > [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 > [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 > > and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ for > the WG document. > > Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing > list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner > justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if there is > (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed with selecting > one document against the other. > > The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have a > longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. > > - Jouni & Julien > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From gaoxlh@gmail.com Wed Jan 9 16:59:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B2C21F8447 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:59:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.204 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.204 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, MIME_BASE64_TEXT=1.753, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RL7Pnff3nD6J for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com (mail-pb0-f45.google.com [209.85.160.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D02F11E8097 for ; 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Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:59:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:58:59 +0800 From: "Shuai Gao" To: "dmm@ietf.org" References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201301100858563298240@gmail.com> X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 14, 103, 30 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gapanalysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:59:04 -0000 SGkgRm9sa3MsDQoJSSBzdXBwb3J0IGRvY3VtZW50IFsyXSBkcmFmdC1saXUtZG1tLWJlc3QtcHJh Y3RpY2VzLWdhcC1hbmFseXNpcy0wMSBhZG9wdGVkIGFzIHRoZSBXRyBkcmFmdC4NCiAgIFRoYW5r IHlvdS4NCg0KQmVzdCwNClNodWFpDQoNCgkNCg0KPT09PT09PSAyMDEyLTEyLTIwIDA0OjI2OjU1 IMT61NrAtNDF1tDQtLXAo7o9PT09PT09DQoNCj5Gb2xrcywNCj4NCj5XZSBhcmUgdW5mb3J0dW5h dGVseSBzbGlwcGluZyBvdXIgbWlsZXN0b25lLCBvdXIgKGNoYWlycykgYXBvbG9naWVzIGZvciB0 aGF0LiBUaGUgbmV4dCBzdGVwIGlzIHRvIHNlbGVjdCBhICJjdXJyZW50IHByYWN0aWNlcyBhbmQg Z2FwIGFuYWx5c2lzIiBkb2N1bWVudCB0byBzZXJ2ZSBhcyB0aGUgYmFzaXMgZm9yIHRoZSBmdXR1 cmUgV0cgZG9jdW1lbnQuIFdlIGNvbnNpZGVyIHR3byBkb2N1bWVudHMgb24gdGhpcyB0b3BpYyB0 byBjaG9vc2UgZnJvbToNCj4NCj5bMV0gZHJhZnQtenVuaWdhLWRtbS1nYXAtYW5hbHlzaXMtMDIN Cj5bMl0gZHJhZnQtbGl1LWRtbS1iZXN0LXByYWN0aWNlcy1nYXAtYW5hbHlzaXMtMDENCj4NCj5h bmQgd2UgYXMgYSBXRyBuZWVkIHRvIGRlY2lkZSB3aGljaCBvbmUgaXMgZ29pbmcgdG8gZm9ybSB0 aGUgX2Jhc2lzXyBmb3IgdGhlIFdHIGRvY3VtZW50Lg0KPg0KPlBsZWFzZSB2b2ljZSB5b3VyIHBy ZWZlcmVuY2UgZWl0aGVyIGZvciBbMV0gb3IgZm9yIFsyXSBvbiB0aGUgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0LiBX ZSB3b3VsZCBhcHByZWNpYXRlIGlmIHlvdSBjYW4gYWxzbyBwcm92aWRlIGEgb25lLWxpbmVyIGp1 c3RpZmljYXRpb24gZm9yIHlvdXIgc2VsZWN0aW9uLiBUaGUgY2hhaXJzIHdpbGwgZGV0ZXJtaW5l IGlmIHRoZXJlIGlzIChyb3VnaCkgY29uc2Vuc3VzIGZyb20gYWN0aXZlIFdHIHBhcnRpY2lwYW50 cyB0byBwcm9jZWVkIHdpdGggc2VsZWN0aW5nIG9uZSBkb2N1bWVudCBhZ2FpbnN0IHRoZSBvdGhl ci4gDQo+DQo+VGhlIGNhbGwgc3RhcnRzIHRvZGF5IDE5dGggRGVjIDIwMTIgYW5kIGVuZHMgYnkg MTB0aCBKYW4gMjAxMy4gV2UgaGF2ZSBhIGxvbmdlciB0aHJlZSB3ZWVrIGNhbGwgbm93IGR1ZSB0 aGUgaG9saWRheSBzZWFzb24gaW4gYmV0d2Vlbi4NCj4NCj4tIEpvdW5pICYgSnVsaWVuDQo+X19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18NCj5kbW0gbWFpbGlu ZyBsaXN0DQo+ZG1tQGlldGYub3JnDQo+aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaWV0Zi5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0 aW5mby9kbW0NCg0KPSA9ID0gPSA9ID0gPSA9ID0gPSA9ID0gPSA9ID0gPSA9ID0gPSA9DQoJCQkN Cg0KoaGhoaGhoaGhoaGhoaGhodbCDQrA8aOhDQogDQoJCQkJIA0KU2h1YWkgR2FvDQpOYXRpb25h bCBFbmdpbmVlcmluZyBMYWIgZm9yIE5leHQgR2VuZXJhdGlvbiBJbnRlcm5ldCBJbnRlcmNvbm5l Y3Rpb24gRGV2aWNlcw0KQmVpamluZyBKaWFvdG9uZyBVbml2ZXJzaXR5DQpCZWlqaW5nLCBDaGlu YSwgMTAwMDQ0DQpnYW94bGhAZ21haWwuY29tDQoyMDEzLTAxLTEwDQoNCg== From phdgang@gmail.com Wed Jan 9 22:30:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF5821F885C for ; 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Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.48.12 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:30:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201301100858563298240@gmail.com> References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> <201301100858563298240@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:30:44 +0800 Message-ID: From: GangChen To: "dmm@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gapanalysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:30:48 -0000 I prefer to take [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 as the basis for wg document Best Regards Gang 2013/1/10, Shuai Gao : > Hi Folks, > I support document [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 adop= ted > as the WG draft. > Thank you. > > Best, > Shuai > > =09 > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 2012-12-20 04:26:55 =C4=FA=D4=DA=C0=B4=D0=C5=D6=D0= =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >>Folks, >> >>We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for >> that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis" >> document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider t= wo >> documents on this topic to choose from: >> >>[1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 >>[2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 >> >>and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ for >> the WG document. >> >>Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing lis= t. >> We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner justification fo= r >> your selection. The chairs will determine if there is (rough) consensus >> from active WG participants to proceed with selecting one document again= st >> the other. >> >>The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have a >> longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. >> >>- Jouni & Julien >>_______________________________________________ >>dmm mailing list >>dmm@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D = =3D =3D > =09 > > =A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=D6=C2 > =C0=F1=A3=A1 > > =09 > Shuai Gao > National Engineering Lab for Next Generation Internet Interconnection > Devices > Beijing Jiaotong University > Beijing, China, 100044 > gaoxlh@gmail.com > 2013-01-10 > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > From aoliva@it.uc3m.es Wed Jan 9 23:25:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3001121F85FC for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 23:25:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eK0PaafShw-3 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 23:25:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp01.uc3m.es (smtp01.uc3m.es [163.117.176.131]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC2021F845E for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2013 23:25:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (webcartero01.uc3m.es [163.117.136.131]) by smtp01.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF2EC3EBE2 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:25:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from host155-250-static.205-37-b.business.telecomitalia.it (host155-250-static.205-37-b.business.telecomitalia.it [37.205.250.155]) by webcartero01.uc3m.es (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:25:18 +0100 Message-ID: <20130110082518.aijkd45pc08w4ccw@webcartero01.uc3m.es> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:25:18 +0100 From: ANTONIO DE LA OLIVA DELGADO To: dmm@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.4) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelistedACL 138 matched, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (smtp01.uc3m.es); Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:25:18 +0100 (CET) X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1224-7.0.0.1014-19544.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--4.956-7.0-31-1 X-imss-scan-details: No--4.956-7.0-31-1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:44:20 -0800 Subject: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:25:21 -0000 Dear all, I support [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03 draft as basis for the WG document. Br Antonio -- -- ******************************** Antonio de la Oliva aoliva@it.uc3m.es Departamento Ing. Telematica Universidad Carlos III de Madrid ******************************** From rui_pedro.ferreira_da_costa@alcatel-lucent.com Thu Jan 10 01:11:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F08D21F8931 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:11:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UemAn94D4FL9 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smail3.alcatel.fr (smail3.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A145121F8936 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.63]) by smail3.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id r0A99R9d027122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:11:06 +0100 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSE1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.111]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB03.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.63]) with mapi; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:10:40 +0100 From: "FERREIRA DA COSTA, RUI PEDRO (RUI PEDRO)" To: "dmm@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:10:40 +0100 Thread-Topic: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document Thread-Index: Ac3pqoZFcTjrKNjMSGG4OlEHW5cyKAE5IkRQACCtKkA= Message-ID: References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> <1355961906.4191.183.camel@acorde.it.uc3m.es> <4C82218A-7CAC-4146-9F0B-3716EEE1882E@gmail.com> <005501cdee8f$7c73a4a0$755aede0$@giust@imdea.org> In-Reply-To: <005501cdee8f$7c73a4a0$755aede0$@giust@imdea.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.83 Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:11:15 -0000 Hi all, As for the current discussion on adopting a "current practices and gap anal= ysis" document, I express my support to [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03. It seems to m= e that it is=20 a better base document for the group. Cheers, Rui Costa |-----Original Message----- |From: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of=20 |Jouni Korhonen |Sent: jueves, 03 de enero de 2013 13:05 |To: dmm@ietf.org |Cc: Julien Laganier |Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap=20 |analysis" document | | |Folks, | |Just a reminder that ~one more week time to voice your preference! | |- Jouni | | |On Dec 20, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: | |> |> On Dec 20, 2012, at 2:05 AM, Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano | wrote: |> |>> Dear chairs, |>> |>> We have been working on an update of draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis,=20 |>> addressing the comments received on the mailing list and during the=20 |>> last meeting. Main changes from -02 are: |>> |>> - New section on 3GPP mobility. |>> - New section on functional analysis. |>> - New section on combined solution analysis. |>> - Several fixes and clean-ups. |>> |>> We'd like to ask the chairs to replace [1] below with the new=20 |>> revision (draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03), that we have just |submitted. |> |> |> This is OK. Consider -03 as the document [1] for the adoption call. |> |> - Jouni & Julien. |> |> |> |> |>> |>> Thanks! |>> |>> Carlos |>> |>> On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 22:25 +0200, Jouni Korhonen wrote: |>>> Folks, |>>> |>>> We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies |for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap=20 |analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We=20 |consider two documents on this topic to choose from: |>>> |>>> [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 [2] |>>> draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 |>>> |>>> and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the=20 |>>> _basis_ |for the WG document. |>>> |>>> Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the |mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner=20 |justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if there is |(rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed with selecting=20 |one document against the other. |>>> |>>> The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We |have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. |>>> |>>> - Jouni & Julien |>>> _______________________________________________ |>>> dmm mailing list |>>> dmm@ietf.org |>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm |>> |>> |>> _______________________________________________ |>> dmm mailing list |>> dmm@ietf.org |>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm |> | |_______________________________________________ |dmm mailing list |dmm@ietf.org |https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From cuiyang@huawei.com Thu Jan 10 01:22:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4206B21F84FC for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:22:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lG9OHEEL2-AP for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E55421F84C9 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id ANI95857; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:22:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:21:02 +0000 Received: from SZXEML414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.153) by lhreml404-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.218) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:22:15 +0800 Received: from SZXEML508-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.6.102]) by SZXEML414-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.153]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:21:16 +0800 From: Cuiyang To: "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document Thread-Index: AQHN7xPWmdABIaAn1k20uUHizfZPUw== Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:21:15 +0000 Message-ID: <8CC0CB0BCAE52F46882E17828A9AE2163696CA4B@SZXEML508-MBS.china.huawei.com> References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> <1355961906.4191.183.camel@acorde.it.uc3m.es> <4C82218A-7CAC-4146-9F0B-3716EEE1882E@gmail.com> <005501cdee8f$7c73a4a0$755aede0$@giust@imdea.org> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.48.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:22:21 -0000 Hi, all I think [2] is more suitable for the gap analysis and as the base of furthe= r discussion. BR, Yang =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Yang Cui, Ph.D. Huawei Technologies cuiyang@huawei.com > |-----Original Message----- > |From: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > |Jouni Korhonen > |Sent: jueves, 03 de enero de 2013 13:05 > |To: dmm@ietf.org > |Cc: Julien Laganier > |Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap > |analysis" document > | > | > |Folks, > | > |Just a reminder that ~one more week time to voice your preference! > | > |- Jouni > | > | > |On Dec 20, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Jouni Korhonen > wrote: > | > |> > |> On Dec 20, 2012, at 2:05 AM, Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano > | wrote: > |> > |>> Dear chairs, > |>> > |>> We have been working on an update of draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis, > |>> addressing the comments received on the mailing list and during the > |>> last meeting. Main changes from -02 are: > |>> > |>> - New section on 3GPP mobility. > |>> - New section on functional analysis. > |>> - New section on combined solution analysis. > |>> - Several fixes and clean-ups. > |>> > |>> We'd like to ask the chairs to replace [1] below with the new > |>> revision (draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03), that we have just > |submitted. > |> > |> > |> This is OK. Consider -03 as the document [1] for the adoption call. > |> > |> - Jouni & Julien. > |> > |> > |> > |> > |>> > |>> Thanks! > |>> > |>> Carlos > |>> > |>> On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 22:25 +0200, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > |>>> Folks, > |>>> > |>>> We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies > |for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap > |analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We > |consider two documents on this topic to choose from: > |>>> > |>>> [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 [2] > |>>> draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 > |>>> > |>>> and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the > |>>> _basis_ > |for the WG document. > |>>> > |>>> Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the > |mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner > |justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if there is > |(rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed with selecting > |one document against the other. > |>>> > |>>> The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We > |have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. > |>>> > |>>> - Jouni & Julien > |>>> _______________________________________________ > |>>> dmm mailing list > |>>> dmm@ietf.org > |>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > |>> > |>> > |>> _______________________________________________ > |>> dmm mailing list > |>> dmm@ietf.org > |>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > |> > | > |_______________________________________________ > |dmm mailing list > |dmm@ietf.org > |https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From yokota@kddilabs.jp Thu Jan 10 06:38:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AEC21F868F for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:38:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zJM9IXgyy2hU for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp (mandala.kddilabs.jp [IPv6:2001:200:601:12::16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198CD21F8496 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:38:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10871748123 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:38:04 +0900 (JST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kddilabs.jp Received: from mandala.kddilabs.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mandala.kddilabs.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EFr0-uZaAgSx for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:38:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from ultra.mip.kddilabs.jp (ultra.mip.kddilabs.jp [172.19.90.145]) by mandala.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1A3174811F for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:38:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from [10.8.0.6] (unknown [10.8.0.6]) by ultra.mip.kddilabs.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D811B9B7 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:34:14 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <50EED247.50801@kddilabs.jp> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:37:59 +0900 From: Hidetoshi Yokota User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dmm@ietf.org References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:38:08 -0000 Hi all, Sorry for my last minute comment. In comparing the two documents, [1] gives a detailed analysis of 3GPP technologies, but may be too much focused on one SDO. [2] analyzes WiFi networks as well as 3GPP, which provides somewhat a good balance for an IETF document by mentioning multiple access technologies. If I have to pick only one, [2] "draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01" is good for the base document. Regards, -- Hidetoshi (2012/12/20 5:25), Jouni Korhonen wrote: > Folks, > > We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider two documents on this topic to choose from: > > [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 > [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 > > and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ for the WG document. > > Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if there is (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed with selecting one document against the other. > > The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. > > - Jouni & Julien > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > From alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com Thu Jan 10 09:27:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD9B21F87FE for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:27:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F-0cL002GT7w for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from cirse-out.extra.cea.fr (cirse-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.142]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AA821F87F3 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:27:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by cirse.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.3) with ESMTP id r0AHRhDk019909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:27:43 +0100 Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0AHRhwj015675 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:27:43 +0100 (envelope-from alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (is010446-4.intra.cea.fr [10.8.33.116]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.2) with ESMTP id r0AHRa00018761 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:27:43 +0100 Message-ID: <50EEFA09.4070208@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:27:37 +0100 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dmm@ietf.org References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:27:51 -0000 I support [2] draft-liu as basis for WG item, because it first abstracts the common functions of mobility protocols. And, a combination of the two could only be better, right? Alex Le 19/12/2012 21:25, Jouni Korhonen a écrit : > Folks, > > We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies > for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap > analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. > We consider two documents on this topic to choose from: > > [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 [2] > draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 > > and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ > for the WG document. > > Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the > mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a > one-liner justification for your selection. The chairs will determine > if there is (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed > with selecting one document against the other. > > The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We > have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. > > - Jouni & Julien _______________________________________________ dmm > mailing list dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > From sgundave@cisco.com Thu Jan 10 15:39:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E52A21F86C0 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6vV5t84-DZzl for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F45821F8545 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:39:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1859; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1357861140; x=1359070740; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=bbGN9yQCbCccdc0/UWX8baQ3OS7T9ELdcWfSA1tBWJM=; b=M8/BvkwUY1FiARs3rbjQrz5n63rlsML3r0LMZGu2nut47EFbDH/2pKfe 5fRwI3uyi3FI435bSXKg9Ccc//d9o0pL4cqn2iZNCbd+TOwdPer854RDM 5gD908O9De5iA7g6N68ppgvdBCxk9NxIS9gtLzzoJ2QJLrg2T0bZAqn0h 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAP9P71CtJXG+/2dsb2JhbABEvXUWc4IgAQQBAQEaUR0BCCJLCyUCBBMIiBEMljGeLQSMXINiYQOIK54ognWCJA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,447,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="158175188" Received: from rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com ([173.37.113.190]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Jan 2013 23:39:00 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x08.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x08.cisco.com [173.37.183.82]) by rcdn-core2-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r0ANcxuR019390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:38:59 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com ([169.254.6.233]) by xhc-rcd-x08.cisco.com ([173.37.183.82]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:38:59 -0600 From: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" To: "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document Thread-Index: AQHN74upXja7jbIfxE2OB4MIlZhAnw== Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:38:59 +0000 Message-ID: <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA8100EACE4@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <50EEFA09.4070208@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 x-originating-ip: [10.32.246.213] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <5B30BC3E32F9894B89AAC1B825076F36@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:39:01 -0000 I've reviewed both the documents and here is my feedback. 1. Both the documents are well written and many points are valid and equally many points are also debatable, but is not a blocker for the draft adoption. 3. Given the efforts put in by the Authors of both the documents, I'd hate to pick one document. This is literally a beauty context and they all look lovely :) So, I'd suggest a merger of both of the documents, or some how split the work into two parts and let both the groups work on respective parts. Sri >Le 19/12/2012 21:25, Jouni Korhonen a =E9crit : >> Folks, >> >> We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies >> for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap >> analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. >> We consider two documents on this topic to choose from: >> >> [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 [2] >> draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 >> >> and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ >> for the WG document. >> >> Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the >> mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a >> one-liner justification for your selection. The chairs will determine >> if there is (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed >> with selecting one document against the other. >> >> The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We >> have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. >> >> - Jouni & Julien _______________________________________________ dmm >> mailing list dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >dmm mailing list >dmm@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From weixinpeng@huawei.com Thu Jan 10 17:11:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7486C21F88E4 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:11:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8K5I0v9dHDWp for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E7021F88D6 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml203-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.5-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id AOQ29442; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:11:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) by lhreml203-edg.huawei.com (172.18.7.221) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:10:26 +0000 Received: from SZXEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.138) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:11:41 +0000 Received: from SZXEML519-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.206]) by szxeml411-hub.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:11:36 +0800 From: Weixinpeng To: "sarikaya@ieee.org" , Seok-Joo Koh Thread-Topic: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document Thread-Index: AQHN7oMAxgshDzp2WkCLWji/M2yNBJhDU52A Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:11:35 +0000 Message-ID: References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> <003601cdedf8$5f1d9920$1d58cb60$@knu.ac.kr> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.77.68] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B43BF4E08DSZXEML519MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: Julien Laganier , Jouni Korhonen , "dmm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:11:47 -0000 --_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B43BF4E08DSZXEML519MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all I prefer [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 more tha= n the first one. Best Regards, Wei From: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Behce= t Sarikaya Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:04 AM To: Seok-Joo Koh Cc: Julien Laganier; dmm@ietf.org; Jouni Korhonen Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap ana= lysis" document On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Seok-Joo Koh > wrote: Happy a new year to everyone ! [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 seems to be more faithful = to the original motivations to DMM. In addition, both of the two documents are worthwhile to consider in the fu= ture works on DMM. Accordingly, it is suggested to use [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-an= alysis-01 as the base document, and to merge [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 into [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-p= ractices-gap-analysis-01 appropriately. Folks let's be realistic. I conjecture that both documents will end up beco= ming WG drafts. Why? Consider what happened in Softwire. Since both are informational, no problem. Regards, Behcet Cheers, ******************** Seok-Joo Koh sjkoh@knu.ac.kr Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap ana= lysis" document On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Jouni Korhonen > wrote: Folks, We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for tha= t. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis" docume= nt to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider two docume= nts on this topic to choose from: [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ for th= e WG document. Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing list.= We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner justification for = your selection. The chairs will determine if there is (rough) consensus fro= m active WG participants to proceed with selecting one document against the= other. The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have a lo= nger three week call now due the holiday season in between. - Jouni & Julien _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm -- RSM Department, TELECOM Bretagne, France Jong-Hyouk Lee, living somewhere between /dev/null and /dev/random #email: jonghyouk (at) gmail (dot) com #webpage: http://sites.google.com/site/hurryon/ _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm --_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B43BF4E08DSZXEML519MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all

 &nbs= p;       I prefer [2]= draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 more than the first one.

 

    Best Regards,

    Wei

 = ;

 = ;

From: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Behcet Sarikaya
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:04 AM
To: Seok-Joo Koh
Cc: Julien Laganier; dmm@ietf.org; Jouni Korhonen
Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices= and gap analysis" document

 

=  

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:32 PM,= Seok-Joo Koh <sjko= h@knu.ac.kr> wrote:

H= appy a new year to everyone !=

&nbs= p;

[= 2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 seems to be more faithful t= o the original motivations to DMM.

&nbs= p;

I= n addition, both of the two documents are worthwhile to consider in the fut= ure works on DMM.

A= ccordingly, it is suggested to use [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-ana= lysis-01 as the base document, and

t= o merge [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 into [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-pr= actices-gap-analysis-01 appropriately.

 


Folks let's be realistic. I conjecture that both documents will end up beco= ming WG drafts. Why? Consider what happened in Softwire.

Since both are informational, no problem.

Regards,

Behcet

Cheers,

 

**********= **********

Seok-Joo K= oh

sjkoh@knu.ac.kr

 =

Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analys= is" document

 

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 5:25 AM, Jouni Korhon= en <jounikor@gma= il.com> wrote:

&nbs= p;

Folks,

We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies for tha= t. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap analysis&qu= ot; document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We consider = two documents on this topic to choose from:

[1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02
[2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01

and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ for th= e WG document.

Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the mailing list.= We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner justification for = your selection. The chairs will determine if there is (rough) consensus fro= m active WG participants to proceed with selecting one document against the other.

The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We have a lo= nger three week call now due the holiday season in between.

- Jouni & Julien
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--_000_C5C3BB522B1DDF478AA09545169155B43BF4E08DSZXEML519MBXchi_-- From Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Mon Jan 14 06:13:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE65121F87A6 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 06:13:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZY20sUkQFCFB for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 06:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from tcmail93.telekom.de (tcmail93.telekom.de [80.149.113.205]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239A221F86FF for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 06:13:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from he111630.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.22]) by tcmail91.telekom.de with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 14 Jan 2013 15:12:59 +0100 Received: from HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([10.134.93.124]) by HE111630.emea1.cds.t-internal.com ([::1]) with mapi; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:12:59 +0100 From: To: , Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:12:59 +0100 Thread-Topic: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document Thread-Index: AQHN74upXja7jbIfxE2OB4MIlZhAn5hI4a3w Message-ID: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A2B32F48D6A@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> References: <50EEFA09.4070208@gmail.com> <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA8100EACE4@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA8100EACE4@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US, de-DE Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, de-DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:13:05 -0000 Hi Sri and all, Although it's too late (sorry for that) I agree with you and others who com= mented similarly that it's impossible (for me) to judge - both proposals an= d analysis approaches have their pros and cons and are quite even in qualit= y of writing. If I only knew how to split and merge ... Best regards Dirk -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: dmm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag von Sri = Gundavelli (sgundave) Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2013 00:39 An: dmm@ietf.org Betreff: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap ana= lysis" document I've reviewed both the documents and here is my feedback. 1. Both the documents are well written and many points are valid and equally many points are also debatable, but is not a blocker for the draft adoption. 3. Given the efforts put in by the Authors of both the documents, I'd hate to pick one document. This is literally a beauty context and they all look lovely :) So, I'd suggest a merger of both of the documents, or some how split the work into two parts and let both the groups work on respective parts. Sri >Le 19/12/2012 21:25, Jouni Korhonen a =E9crit : >> Folks, >> >> We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies >> for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap >> analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. >> We consider two documents on this topic to choose from: >> >> [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 [2] >> draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 >> >> and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ >> for the WG document. >> >> Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the >> mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a >> one-liner justification for your selection. The chairs will determine >> if there is (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed >> with selecting one document against the other. >> >> The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We >> have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. >> >> - Jouni & Julien _______________________________________________ dmm >> mailing list dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >dmm mailing list >dmm@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From jouni.nospam@gmail.com Wed Jan 23 02:51:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A11921F876E for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:51:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H52264GFLXi3 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ea0-f172.google.com (mail-ea0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F07E21F8769 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ea0-f172.google.com with SMTP id f13so3442225eaa.3 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:51:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=etNGfMquShPo126OmtOjarTPR+LRpgbyxjGCxHZ6Njw=; b=QtkTCzcVf2lENBtUJBtsxM37QQ15YflLCdSK0vkj6OKwhtcB1sIsvpQEEuDqDkUhdo yi8wq5TBEdSQn4FikxGVzdss5UuF/8THEIkgGteWJ3nhbSXdHh53imzOYyt5OZ5IDnXQ DsZIOmvCn8yVSwbCY3yALXLd2DlPaLuN/dZ6PTvCuRicn0dpthe4y+Hyonzt6ZkddHOl elktJsy2rWhGH7BZi3F+Wc66f4ZCjsPQyFkWL03ZR4ole2tSGHhf1pvEYzlkZndS3iv7 VTpUde80dL5E6chmsVSBBET3eNLWCROG76tL/0N3WDlVuWifjECIVt7J++RwRS2c6N6t mbEA== X-Received: by 10.14.3.137 with SMTP id 9mr3208234eeh.2.1358938278402; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:51:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [188.117.15.108] ([188.117.15.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d3sm30306251eeo.13.2013.01.23.02.51.14 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Jan 2013 02:51:17 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Jouni Korhonen In-Reply-To: <4C82218A-7CAC-4146-9F0B-3716EEE1882E@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:51:12 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <29E9C31E-F18D-4777-996F-9E6E61C7DCAA@gmail.com> References: <905E774C-EA05-4081-B1CE-1CF4CE50B81B@gmail.com> <1355961906.4191.183.camel@acorde.it.uc3m.es> <4C82218A-7CAC-4146-9F0B-3716EEE1882E@gmail.com> To: "dmm@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: Julien Laganier , Jouni Korhonen Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:51:20 -0000 Folks, The WGLC has concluded already some time ago. In a meantime we (chairs) = and the respective authors of both documents have had some constructive = discussions on the background. Based on the poll [2] got more "rough consensus" i.e. about 2/3 ;) = However,=20 as indicated by several WG members, merging these two documents would = actually make sense. And chairs and the document authors agree with this. Thus, = here is what we came up with. Both [1] and [2] will be merged and there the WG = has an important role to say _how_ and _which_ parts go where. Based on the = poll result [2] will serve as the basis that we start building upon. There will be = named editors from both documents on the draft-ietf-dmm-*-00 (Dapeng and Juan-Carlos) = and then rest are acknowledged as contributors (like it is a custom with many = authors). Once the draft-ietf-dmm-*-00 is out, I encourage WG members to start = working on the document already before the Orlando meeting. It would be good to = have a=20 properly revised version in Orlando WG meeting to discuss face to face. - Jouni & Julien On Dec 20, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: >=20 > On Dec 20, 2012, at 2:05 AM, Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano = wrote: >=20 >> Dear chairs, >>=20 >> We have been working on an update of draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis, >> addressing the comments received on the mailing list and during the = last >> meeting. Main changes from -02 are: >>=20 >> - New section on 3GPP mobility. >> - New section on functional analysis. >> - New section on combined solution analysis. >> - Several fixes and clean-ups. >>=20 >> We'd like to ask the chairs to replace [1] below with the new = revision >> (draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-03), that we have just submitted. >=20 >=20 > This is OK. Consider -03 as the document [1] for the adoption call. >=20 > - Jouni & Julien. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Carlos >>=20 >> On Wed, 2012-12-19 at 22:25 +0200, Jouni Korhonen wrote: >>> Folks, >>>=20 >>> We are unfortunately slipping our milestone, our (chairs) apologies = for that. The next step is to select a "current practices and gap = analysis" document to serve as the basis for the future WG document. We = consider two documents on this topic to choose from: >>>=20 >>> [1] draft-zuniga-dmm-gap-analysis-02 >>> [2] draft-liu-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-01 >>>=20 >>> and we as a WG need to decide which one is going to form the _basis_ = for the WG document. >>>=20 >>> Please voice your preference either for [1] or for [2] on the = mailing list. We would appreciate if you can also provide a one-liner = justification for your selection. The chairs will determine if there is = (rough) consensus from active WG participants to proceed with selecting = one document against the other.=20 >>>=20 >>> The call starts today 19th Dec 2012 and ends by 10th Jan 2013. We = have a longer three week call now due the holiday season in between. >>>=20 >>> - Jouni & Julien >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dmm mailing list >>> dmm@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dmm mailing list >> dmm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >=20 From hesham@elevatemobile.com Wed Jan 23 05:53:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6901721F87BA for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:53:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QurR8iQRyJHu for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-1.servers.netregistry.net (smtp.netregistry.net [202.124.241.204]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28DA21F87B6 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:53:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [118.209.3.100] (helo=[192.168.0.4]) by smtp-1.servers.netregistry.net protocol: esmtpa (Exim 4.69 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ty0lE-0001Wa-Bk; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:53:05 +1100 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:53:00 +1100 From: Hesham Soliman To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Implementations of RFC 4285 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: hesham@elevatemobile.com Subject: [DMM] Implementations of RFC 4285 X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:53:07 -0000 Hi all, I was discussing this with Brian off-line and thought the list might know more. Does anyone know of RFC 4285 implementations? The reason I ask is that it seems we have a conflict in an error code (144) interpretation between RFCs 5555 and 4285. Obviously 5555 shouldn't have used error code 144 for that purpose but it slipped passed us all it seems. So, it would be good to know if there are any 4285 implementations out there to see if there is a problem already in practice between the two RFCs. Thanks, Hesham From sgundave@cisco.com Mon Jan 28 00:17:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D8821F8449 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 00:17:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jGUehhF6yZCA for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 00:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C0021F8444 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 00:17:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=999; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1359361036; x=1360570636; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=N5bwVMipIkChcq91FZ7rNCF2ZKT0h5oozEulZNktR4Q=; b=mUY0tERDeQJcoHYT7EEVC4ekCbFfbHZiaLzviTQs3U7D5MdQc+Kc6iX7 J0Txg7LcLKx8J0HGlN2HxIMjU3c9Hdpo9fFYaxujvv5IxPCvy5lFg79Co uloHtBiJc9luZk1MjGSQmkhqTSZHTlw+0BWUggl3W7N1gMRnnSooTpSNz s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak8FACgzBlGtJXG9/2dsb2JhbABFhX+4YRZzgiABBAEBATc0HQEIIhQ3CyUCBAESCIgJDL5/BJBEYQOmVYJ3giQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,550,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="169016435" Received: from rcdn-core2-2.cisco.com ([173.37.113.189]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jan 2013 08:17:15 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x01.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x01.cisco.com [173.37.183.75]) by rcdn-core2-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r0S8HFND013404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:17:15 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com ([169.254.6.233]) by xhc-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([173.37.183.75]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:17:15 -0600 From: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" To: Hesham Soliman , "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] Implementations of RFC 4285 Thread-Index: AQHN/S/hoJS85lZbNUSnvzL9jqkAwA== Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:17:14 +0000 Message-ID: <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA81010C241@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 x-originating-ip: [10.21.67.216] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DMM] Implementations of RFC 4285 X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:17:16 -0000 Hi Hesham, Yes. We do have implementations and field deployments based on 4285. Its supported on number of platforms supporting mobile routers/home agent and also a variant used between MAG and LMA. Regards Sri On 1/23/13 5:53 AM, "Hesham Soliman" wrote: >Hi all, > >I was discussing this with Brian off-line and thought the list might know >more. Does anyone know of RFC 4285 implementations? > >The reason I ask is that it seems we have a conflict in an error code >(144) interpretation between RFCs 5555 and 4285. Obviously 5555 shouldn't >have used error code 144 for that purpose but it slipped passed us all it >seems. So, it would be good to know if there are any 4285 implementations >out there to see if there is a problem already in practice between the two >RFCs. > >Thanks, >Hesham > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >dmm mailing list >dmm@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From sgundave@cisco.com Mon Jan 28 00:20:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBD121F88A2 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 00:20:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dt-MTxJkdhpi for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 00:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750CE21F8487 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 00:20:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=516; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1359361209; x=1360570809; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=2cd0kSLBZJIAmMMvUM5l1WFgmnIQ07QwSypFxWP2bFU=; b=A3wqMA01O7njSJazYQrESPRGf1aeI53RKV9X2s3nNrN3Inou4+tXL4aY JgnyYAuev/aRhJQYIVftMa1bhop5uCvKbWLr8uD4rLXdFG6PqOXB/O555 gzMHIZUU8ibniotRuy1Z76tK0ko9YOs74SuMaDqJqcNTXvdlHCoI2z+hO M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak8FAB40BlGtJXG//2dsb2JhbABFhX+4YBZzgiABBB0dUQEIIhRCJQIEARIIiAm/DpBEYQOmVYJ3giQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,550,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="169014877" Received: from rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com ([173.37.113.191]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jan 2013 08:20:09 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com [173.37.183.88]) by rcdn-core2-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r0S8K98w030251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:20:09 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com ([169.254.6.233]) by xhc-rcd-x14.cisco.com ([173.37.183.88]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:20:08 -0600 From: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" To: "Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de" , "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: AW: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document Thread-Index: AQHN/TBIGs0Elyz8E0mOwlQ2RaKYKw== Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:20:08 +0000 Message-ID: <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA81010C28A@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <05C81A773E48DD49B181B04BA21A342A2B32F48D6A@HE113484.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 x-originating-ip: [10.21.67.216] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for WG Adoption of a "current practices and gap analysis" document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:20:10 -0000 Hi Dirk, I agree. It will take some efforts to do the content merge. Regards Sri On 1/14/13 6:12 AM, "Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de" wrote: >Hi Sri and all, >Although it's too late (sorry for that) I agree with you and others who >commented similarly that it's impossible (for me) to judge - both >proposals and analysis approaches have their pros and cons and are quite >even in quality of writing. If I only knew how to split and merge ... > > >Best regards >Dirk > From hesham@elevatemobile.com Mon Jan 28 04:47:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AAD21F8473 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:47:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.650, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p4WACqSDT5bZ for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-1.servers.netregistry.net (smtp.netregistry.net [202.124.241.204]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7130E21F8472 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [118.209.3.100] (helo=[192.168.0.4]) by smtp-1.servers.netregistry.net protocol: esmtpa (Exim 4.69 #1 (Debian)) id 1Tzo7B-00055y-5u; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:47:09 +1100 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 23:47:03 +1100 From: Hesham Soliman To: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" , "dmm@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [DMM] Implementations of RFC 4285 In-Reply-To: <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA81010C241@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: hesham@elevatemobile.com Subject: Re: [DMM] Implementations of RFC 4285 X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:47:14 -0000 Thanks Sri, Do you implement error code 144? Has there been any issues with your RFC 5555 implementation (if you have an implementation of course)? Hesham -----Original Message----- From: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" Date: Monday, 28 January 2013 7:17 PM To: Hesham Soliman , "dmm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [DMM] Implementations of RFC 4285 >Hi Hesham, > >Yes. We do have implementations and field deployments based on 4285. Its >supported on number of platforms supporting mobile routers/home agent and >also a variant used between MAG and LMA. > >Regards >Sri > > > > >On 1/23/13 5:53 AM, "Hesham Soliman" wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>I was discussing this with Brian off-line and thought the list might know >>more. Does anyone know of RFC 4285 implementations? >> >>The reason I ask is that it seems we have a conflict in an error code >>(144) interpretation between RFCs 5555 and 4285. Obviously 5555 shouldn't >>have used error code 144 for that purpose but it slipped passed us all it >>seems. So, it would be good to know if there are any 4285 implementations >>out there to see if there is a problem already in practice between the >>two >>RFCs. >> >>Thanks, >>Hesham >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dmm mailing list >>dmm@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > From sarikaya2012@gmail.com Mon Jan 28 09:42:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D0321F84BA for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:42:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pqs2hOQykIis for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACB621F8499 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id q12so4287844lbc.11 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:42:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NsAGwsifYQ8upE+HI/BAaBTRLFHQnTlQDKVbQM/vjII=; b=fpFAcsmpk6PeeZTUYICed59fguZoIstSJZuHzdg+Vk6wag9HuDvUKhfOrlcHgz9RvY KaGDcMlomSN0rh+MaKG8CIElJorThEvdU0qbxFBSEJl6eCSHWbZyY0xP/fiIeMBbnv+E N88onX7H/0Yu8hE7ZX4D5F63sPutSGNegxf83L1AmK41UQDzzcm6wKfG3HT+YIyKyXim C+UCUmI4uJWtiI8O6jxCOg5ugNch7c1dI3fuWfXGu3ZWyh78871gtPLoYOVqwR/+Js5C w4LNj9Ok818napBtOKEbzM5wnOpFVCEj60s7FX8mBz5g0FwwENGoMCEYqhVNzyEgFzRd mGIg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.28.9 with SMTP id x9mr5947163lbg.27.1359394940891; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:42:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.78.37 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:42:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA81010C241@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> References: <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA81010C241@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 11:42:20 -0600 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554dd008fb14004d45ccc63 Cc: "dmm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [DMM] Implementations of RFC 4285 X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:42:24 -0000 --bcaec554dd008fb14004d45ccc63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry to get into this conversation. My understanding was that RFC 4285 was developed for use in WiMAX and WiMAX did have MIPv6 in its plans and this type of security fitted WiMAX very well. Behcet On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:17 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) < sgundave@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi Hesham, > > Yes. We do have implementations and field deployments based on 4285. Its > supported on number of platforms supporting mobile routers/home agent and > also a variant used between MAG and LMA. > > Regards > Sri > > > > > On 1/23/13 5:53 AM, "Hesham Soliman" wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >I was discussing this with Brian off-line and thought the list might know > >more. Does anyone know of RFC 4285 implementations? > > > >The reason I ask is that it seems we have a conflict in an error code > >(144) interpretation between RFCs 5555 and 4285. Obviously 5555 shouldn't > >have used error code 144 for that purpose but it slipped passed us all it > >seems. So, it would be good to know if there are any 4285 implementations > >out there to see if there is a problem already in practice between the two > >RFCs. > > > >Thanks, > >Hesham > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >dmm mailing list > >dmm@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > --bcaec554dd008fb14004d45ccc63 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to get into this conversation.

My understanding was that RFC 4= 285 was developed for use in WiMAX and WiMAX did have MIPv6 in its plans an= d this type of security fitted WiMAX very well.

Behcet

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 2:17 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisc= o.com> wrote:
Hi Hesham,

Yes. We do have implementations and field deployments based on 4285. Its supported on number of platforms supporting mobile routers/home agent and also a variant used between MAG and LMA.

Regards
Sri




On 1/23/13 5:53 AM, "Hesham Soliman" <hesham@elevatemobile.com> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I was discussing this with Brian off-line and thought the list might kn= ow
>more. Does anyone know of RFC 4285 implementations?
>
>The reason I ask is that it seems we have a conflict in an error code >(144) interpretation between RFCs 5555 and 4285. Obviously 5555 shouldn= 't
>have used error code 144 for that purpose but it slipped passed us all = it
>seems. So, it would be good to know if there are any 4285 implementatio= ns
>out there to see if there is a problem already in practice between the = two
>RFCs.
>
>Thanks,
>Hesham
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>dmm mailing list
>dmm@ietf.org
>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm

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--bcaec554dd008fb14004d45ccc63-- From sgundave@cisco.com Tue Jan 29 08:49:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327DA21F8881 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:49:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K3u53P7u9hnK for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFF421F8816 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:49:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2190; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1359478167; x=1360687767; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=RazL1Q1GYZvPLL8BrMjzoroNDyXcBBKJxHX0OnH/eQ4=; b=OFLOirzXXxPrh/n0GfR+VK7iKXn2cRao7EonDFIlpcsh3IMN5ah48EaP 22I/R6iS34odoJ9DXWhvPl95Bdiz0v6XVFH+Id5pLo1P9XVfGBbM/eExF rypvxSXHTafztemRK0a64OYds/G4SPxuqynkMDxeRfyDv2sTd5EgM3USq k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EADj8B1GtJXG9/2dsb2JhbABEvl4Wc4IeAQEBBAEBATc0FwYBCBEDAQIBChQ3Cx0IAgQBEgiICQywfpAvBJAoYQOmWIJ3giQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,561,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="169921601" Received: from rcdn-core2-2.cisco.com ([173.37.113.189]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jan 2013 16:49:25 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com [173.36.12.86]) by rcdn-core2-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r0TGnPan007866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:49:25 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com ([169.254.6.233]) by xhc-aln-x12.cisco.com ([173.36.12.86]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:49:25 -0600 From: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" To: Hesham Soliman , "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] Implementations of RFC 4285 Thread-Index: AQHN/kCYp6TPSLIakEa2MbeBwCFJag== Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:49:25 +0000 Message-ID: <24C0F3E22276D9438D6F366EB89FAEA8101118C7@xmb-aln-x03.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 x-originating-ip: [10.21.115.102] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [DMM] Implementations of RFC 4285 X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:49:28 -0000 No, we don't have support for RFC5555 on our mobile router; Probably this code is relevant only on the receiver end. On the HA side, on one of the platforms there seems to be support for both. I have to check if this code if tunnel negotiation is implemented or not, and if the implementation is sending 144 for both the error cases. You may also want to check with Romain Kuntz, who did the open source DSMIP implementation. With Ryuju as well for Toyota ITC. We need to update RFC5555. There goes the perfect number Hesham :) Regards Sri On 1/28/13 4:47 AM, "Hesham Soliman" wrote: >Thanks Sri,=20 > >Do you implement error code 144? Has there been any issues with your RFC >5555 implementation (if you have an implementation of course)? > >Hesham=20 > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" >Date: Monday, 28 January 2013 7:17 PM >To: Hesham Soliman , "dmm@ietf.org" > >Subject: Re: [DMM] Implementations of RFC 4285 > >>Hi Hesham, >> >>Yes. We do have implementations and field deployments based on 4285. Its >>supported on number of platforms supporting mobile routers/home agent and >>also a variant used between MAG and LMA. >> >>Regards >>Sri >> >> >> >> >>On 1/23/13 5:53 AM, "Hesham Soliman" wrote: >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I was discussing this with Brian off-line and thought the list might >>>know >>>more. Does anyone know of RFC 4285 implementations? >>> >>>The reason I ask is that it seems we have a conflict in an error code >>>(144) interpretation between RFCs 5555 and 4285. Obviously 5555 >>>shouldn't >>>have used error code 144 for that purpose but it slipped passed us all >>>it >>>seems. So, it would be good to know if there are any 4285 >>>implementations >>>out there to see if there is a problem already in practice between the >>>two >>>RFCs. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Hesham >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>dmm mailing list >>>dmm@ietf.org >>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >> > >