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Are we getting into acceptable text now?  Any further wishes? If you 
want something to be addressed propose the text change/addition/removal.

- Jouni

5/30/2014 8:57 AM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
> IMO, solutions that do not rely on "anchors" are welcome.
> Even though the charter uses that term, we are not hung up on solutions that have "anchors"
> Besides, remember I made an attempt to refine the term with an additional one "deflector"… So, we do need to have some discussions around that eventually.
> But I don't think we need to have that right now in the context of the charter text.
> As long as people understand that anchor-less solutions are welcome for discussion, and we may eventually refine the term, we can move forward with the current text -- I'd say.
>
> Alper
>
>
>
> On May 30, 2014, at 12:03 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>
>> Bechet,
>>
>> 5/29/2014 11:52 PM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
>>> Hi Jouni,
>>>
>>> I was looking at the charter text and noticed one important issue. The
>>> charter seems to be stuck with the good old anchor think. Almost all
>>> text is about anchoring, anchor selection, anchor reselection, and so
>>> on.
>>>
>>> However in the past several months, we have seen in Alper's events,
>>> presentations which seem to have no anchor.
>>>
>>> I don't see any active draft that talks about the anchors.
>>>
>>> In view of this, my question is how are we going to go ahead with this
>>> charter and meet the deadlines?
>>
>> I (myself) see still value dragging along some anchoring stuff just to allow smoother migration from current deployed models toward less centralized architectures.
>>
>> But you are right that we should not get stuck on those.. and that has not been the intent either.
>>
>>> Or else, are we better off with a charter text which is much less
>>> dependent on the anchors, something  which could make it possible to
>>> progress one of those proposals??
>>
>> You are welcome to propose concrete text & change snippets to the current charter text.
>>
>> - Jouni
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Behcet
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 3:50 AM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Now that the gap analysis I-D is almost on the stage of leaving the WG and
>>>> the requirements I-D has almost completed IESG, it would be time to return
>>>> to the rechartering topic.
>>>>
>>>> First, the latest revision can be found at:
>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter
>>>>
>>>> Second, have a look at it. There are few changes proposed by Alper eons ago
>>>> and corrected milestones pointed by Behcet.
>>>>
>>>> Third, let us get this finally done..
>>>>
>>>> - Jouni
>>>>
>>>> 4/22/2014 3:55 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>>>
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for letting this topic to rot in a dark for the couple of last
>>>>> weeks. I'll crank out a revision shortly..
>>>>>
>>>>> - Jouni & Dapeng
>>>>
>>>>
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Jouni and Alper


On 2014/05/31, at 2:08, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agree.

+1

The text looks good to me. I am eager to have solution discussion.

ryuji

> 5/30/2014 8:57 AM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>> IMO, solutions that do not rely on "anchors" are welcome.
>> Even though the charter uses that term, we are not hung up on =
solutions that have "anchors"
>> Besides, remember I made an attempt to refine the term with an =
additional one "deflector"=85 So, we do need to have some discussions =
around that eventually.
>> But I don't think we need to have that right now in the context of =
the charter text.
>> As long as people understand that anchor-less solutions are welcome =
for discussion, and we may eventually refine the term, we can move =
forward with the current text -- I'd say.
>>=20
>> Alper
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On May 30, 2014, at 12:03 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>=20
>>> Bechet,
>>>=20
>>> 5/29/2014 11:52 PM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
>>>> Hi Jouni,
>>>>=20
>>>> I was looking at the charter text and noticed one important issue. =
The
>>>> charter seems to be stuck with the good old anchor think. Almost =
all
>>>> text is about anchoring, anchor selection, anchor reselection, and =
so
>>>> on.
>>>>=20
>>>> However in the past several months, we have seen in Alper's events,
>>>> presentations which seem to have no anchor.
>>>>=20
>>>> I don't see any active draft that talks about the anchors.
>>>>=20
>>>> In view of this, my question is how are we going to go ahead with =
this
>>>> charter and meet the deadlines?
>>>=20
>>> I (myself) see still value dragging along some anchoring stuff just =
to allow smoother migration from current deployed models toward less =
centralized architectures.
>>>=20
>>> But you are right that we should not get stuck on those.. and that =
has not been the intent either.
>>>=20
>>>> Or else, are we better off with a charter text which is much less
>>>> dependent on the anchors, something  which could make it possible =
to
>>>> progress one of those proposals??
>>>=20
>>> You are welcome to propose concrete text & change snippets to the =
current charter text.
>>>=20
>>> - Jouni
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Regards,
>>>>=20
>>>> Behcet
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 3:50 AM, Jouni Korhonen =
<jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Now that the gap analysis I-D is almost on the stage of leaving =
the WG and
>>>>> the requirements I-D has almost completed IESG, it would be time =
to return
>>>>> to the rechartering topic.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> First, the latest revision can be found at:
>>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Second, have a look at it. There are few changes proposed by Alper =
eons ago
>>>>> and corrected milestones pointed by Behcet.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Third, let us get this finally done..
>>>>>=20
>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>=20
>>>>> 4/22/2014 3:55 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Sorry for letting this topic to rot in a dark for the couple of =
last
>>>>>> weeks. I'll crank out a revision shortly..
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> - Jouni & Dapeng
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
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I don't have a problem with the anchor term if we treat it as a function in=
 the network which knows
how to further forward packets to an MN's location. That can be any tunnel =
management protocol,
aka (P)MIPv6, and should be orthogonal to the DMM solutions. That function =
can be also a router/switching
component in the network topology and the MN's IP address can be topologica=
lly correct on this
component, or incorrect, e.g. in case of (user-plane) anchor relocation and=
 demand for IP address continuity.
IMO, DMM is a lot about solutions to route packets through the transport ne=
twork and deliver them
to the MN's current anchor. Remaining delivery is up to tunnel management, =
which diminishes if these anchors
are deployed on the very edge, e.g. radio base stations.

marco

>-----Original Message-----
>From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
>Sent: Freitag, 30. Mai 2014 07:58
>To: Jouni Korhonen
>Cc: dmm@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [DMM] rechartering
>
>IMO, solutions that do not rely on "anchors" are welcome.
>Even though the charter uses that term, we are not hung up on solutions th=
at
>have "anchors"
>Besides, remember I made an attempt to refine the term with an additional =
one
>"deflector"... So, we do need to have some discussions around that eventua=
lly.
>But I don't think we need to have that right now in the context of the cha=
rter
>text.
>As long as people understand that anchor-less solutions are welcome for
>discussion, and we may eventually refine the term, we can move forward wit=
h
>the current text -- I'd say.
>
>Alper
>
>
>
>On May 30, 2014, at 12:03 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>
>> Bechet,
>>
>> 5/29/2014 11:52 PM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
>>> Hi Jouni,
>>>
>>> I was looking at the charter text and noticed one important issue.
>>> The charter seems to be stuck with the good old anchor think. Almost
>>> all text is about anchoring, anchor selection, anchor reselection,
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>> However in the past several months, we have seen in Alper's events,
>>> presentations which seem to have no anchor.
>>>
>>> I don't see any active draft that talks about the anchors.
>>>
>>> In view of this, my question is how are we going to go ahead with
>>> this charter and meet the deadlines?
>>
>> I (myself) see still value dragging along some anchoring stuff just to a=
llow
>smoother migration from current deployed models toward less centralized
>architectures.
>>
>> But you are right that we should not get stuck on those.. and that has n=
ot been
>the intent either.
>>
>>> Or else, are we better off with a charter text which is much less
>>> dependent on the anchors, something  which could make it possible to
>>> progress one of those proposals??
>>
>> You are welcome to propose concrete text & change snippets to the curren=
t
>charter text.
>>
>> - Jouni
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Behcet
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 3:50 AM, Jouni Korhonen
><jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Now that the gap analysis I-D is almost on the stage of leaving the
>>>> WG and the requirements I-D has almost completed IESG, it would be
>>>> time to return to the rechartering topic.
>>>>
>>>> First, the latest revision can be found at:
>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter
>>>>
>>>> Second, have a look at it. There are few changes proposed by Alper
>>>> eons ago and corrected milestones pointed by Behcet.
>>>>
>>>> Third, let us get this finally done..
>>>>
>>>> - Jouni
>>>>
>>>> 4/22/2014 3:55 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>>>
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for letting this topic to rot in a dark for the couple of
>>>>> last weeks. I'll crank out a revision shortly..
>>>>>
>>>>> - Jouni & Dapeng
>>>>
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Jouni,

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
>Sent: Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2014 19:55
>To: Marco Liebsch; dmm@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [DMM] rechartering
>
>Marco,
>
>
>5/28/2014 3:35 PM, Marco Liebsch kirjoitti:
>> Hi Jouni, all,
>>
>> let me pick up some comments again, which we should clarify.
>>
>> About anchor selection:
>>
>> Referring to the milestones, having the anchor re-selection document
>> separated from the advanced anchor selection only by 3 months does not
>> seem to be useful, even if you consider re-selection to be used only
>> for advanced DMM deployment and operation, whereas basic anchor
>> selection is required for any DMM deployment with decentralized data pla=
ne
>anchors.
>>
>> I understand this document treats solely selection and runtime
>> re-selection, not the associated establishment of routing/tunnel
>> states according to the
>
>Actually, I was in an opinion that re-selection would also cover the neede=
d parts
>for possible re-routing of traffic.. whatever the mechanisms is.

Ok, if we are clear about this, I am fine. To confirm your understanding: t=
he milestone
about anchor selection is solely about the selection process, while the mil=
estone about
anchor re-selection is about runtime selection of a new anchor plus traffic=
 routing. Correct?

Then I still believe it would make sense to cover that in a single document=
. If we want to
separate documents, then we may address anchor selection and runtime re-sel=
ection (just the selection)
in a single document, as the same algorithms and protocol components should=
 apply to find a
suitable anchor, whereas a separate document treats the traffic routing to =
the selected anchor.

No too strong opinion here and no push to change wording as long as the lis=
ted milestones
allow all required work to be done.


>
>Does anyone else share the same view?
>
>> selected anchor. So, I think both aspects, selection and re-selection,
>> should go into a single document. Unless the WG decides that
>> re-selection is too advanced, then it may go into a separate document
>> when the base selection spec is almost ready, as it will depend on it.
>>
>> About forwarding path and signaling management:
>>
>> In particular if the support of runtime/mid-session anchor change is
>> considered for the first set of DMM solution documents, the described
>> work item about 'forwarding path and signaling management' should be
>> given a milestone, as this is essential if anchors are changed
>> mid-session and IP address continuation is expected. So far there is
>> no document about this work item in the charter list.
>
>Right, any suggestions for the actual document name and time lines?

That one I understand is associated with the traffic routing in the above
documents, no?

marco


>
>> Inter-working between mobility functions and network nodes, e.g.
>> routers, requires the use of some non-mobility protocol. DMM should at
>> least describe which states (identifiers, locator addresses/IDs, ..)
>> to expose through these protocols. That's what I understood behind
>> mobility state exposure, whereas the text in the work items list reads
>> more like this is about announcements from the network to an MN about
>> the characteristics of an IP address to support the MN in picking the
>> right address for an application. I know it's more a terms issue, but we=
 need
>clarification what we expect from a work item.
>
>The latter is what I had in mind.. mainly the MN<->network communication.
>
>> Hope the above makes sense and we can easily clarify.
>
>Sure.
>
>- Jouni
>
>
>>
>> marco
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
>>> Sent: Dienstag, 27. Mai 2014 10:51
>>> To: dmm@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] rechartering
>>>
>>>
>>> Now that the gap analysis I-D is almost on the stage of leaving the
>>> WG and the requirements I-D has almost completed IESG, it would be
>>> time to return to the rechartering topic.
>>>
>>> First, the latest revision can be found at:
>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter
>>>
>>> Second, have a look at it. There are few changes proposed by Alper
>>> eons ago and corrected milestones pointed by Behcet.
>>>
>>> Third, let us get this finally done..
>>>
>>> - Jouni
>>>
>>> 4/22/2014 3:55 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for letting this topic to rot in a dark for the couple of last
>>>> weeks. I'll crank out a revision shortly..
>>>>
>>>> - Jouni & Dapeng
>>>
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Same here.

Carlos

On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian@cs.utwente.nl wrote:
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> 
>  
> 
> Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote!
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> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
> Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
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> 
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> Hi. For some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I receive an
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>  
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> Am I the only one?
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>  
> 
> Thanks,
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> Hello,
> 
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> The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please select your
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> 
>  
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> Doodle:
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On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bechet,
>
> All what we discuss here has been discussed 2-4 months ago already.
> Repeating myself: propose concrete text & change snippets.
>
Jouni, you asked for it, you get it:

I see these three charter items and I don't understand why we have them?
             Enhanced gateway and mobility anchor selection

            Forwarding path and signaling management

            Gateway and mobility anchor re-selection

I suggest making a single charter item as dmm solution protocol so
that we don't have to look at many documents for whatever solution we
select.

I see this item and I don't understand what it is about:

                   Exposing mobility state to mobile nodes and network nodes

Is this about the MN dealing with many prefixes?

What if the solution does not require the MN to deal with many prefixes?

It seems like this  charter was written from the point of view of what
we had way back in 2012.
Now we are in 2014 and a lot has changed and these changes are not
reflected in the charter.

Regards,

Behcet






> - Jouni
>
>
> 5/30/2014 12:29 AM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
>
>> About two months ago I had made this proposal
>>
>> First cycle, select one from each category of solutions, client,
>> network based and routing based
>> Second cycle, select one from the selected ones as the dmm solution.
>>
>> which still stands, I think.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bechet,
>>>
>>> 5/29/2014 11:52 PM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jouni,
>>>>
>>>> I was looking at the charter text and noticed one important issue. The
>>>> charter seems to be stuck with the good old anchor think. Almost all
>>>> text is about anchoring, anchor selection, anchor reselection, and so
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>>> However in the past several months, we have seen in Alper's events,
>>>> presentations which seem to have no anchor.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see any active draft that talks about the anchors.
>>>>
>>>> In view of this, my question is how are we going to go ahead with this
>>>> charter and meet the deadlines?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I (myself) see still value dragging along some anchoring stuff just to
>>> allow
>>> smoother migration from current deployed models toward less centralized
>>> architectures.
>>>
>>> But you are right that we should not get stuck on those.. and that has
>>> not
>>> been the intent either.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Or else, are we better off with a charter text which is much less
>>>> dependent on the anchors, something  which could make it possible to
>>>> progress one of those proposals??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You are welcome to propose concrete text & change snippets to the current
>>> charter text.
>>>
>>> - Jouni
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Behcet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 3:50 AM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that the gap analysis I-D is almost on the stage of leaving the WG
>>>>> and
>>>>> the requirements I-D has almost completed IESG, it would be time to
>>>>> return
>>>>> to the rechartering topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, the latest revision can be found at:
>>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, have a look at it. There are few changes proposed by Alper eons
>>>>> ago
>>>>> and corrected milestones pointed by Behcet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Third, let us get this finally done..
>>>>>
>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>
>>>>> 4/22/2014 3:55 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry for letting this topic to rot in a dark for the couple of last
>>>>>> weeks. I'll crank out a revision shortly..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Jouni & Dapeng
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Same here.
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> Carlos
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> > Georgios
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> > Van: dmm =5Bdmm-bounces=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org)=5D=
 namens Moses, Danny
> > =5Bdanny.moses=40intel.com (mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com)=5D
> > Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
> > Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
> > Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > =20
> > =20
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> > Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I receive a=
n
> > indication that I have already voted even though I did not.
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> > Am I the only one=3F
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> > Thanks,
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> > Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > =20
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> > Hello,
> > =20
> > =20
> > The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please select your
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> > =20
> > Doodle:
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> > Thanks,
> > =20
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                <div>
                    Hello all,
                </div><div><br></div><div>I modified the settings. Please=
 try again.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/q7zee=
bs9nqnbif95=22>http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95</a></div><div><br></div=
>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</d=
iv><div><br></div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B4=
6=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCa=
rlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>
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e:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;=22>
                    <span><div><div><div>Same here.</div><div><br></div><=
div>Carlos</div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, <a=
 href=3D=22mailto:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl=22>karagian=40cs.utwente.nl</a=
> wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div><div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</=
div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I am getting the =
same indication and I cannot vote=21</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Georgios</div><div><br></div><=
div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
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=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F</div><div>Van: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mail=
to:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>dmm-bounces=40ietf.org</a>=5D namens Moses, =
Danny</div><div>=5B<a href=3D=22mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com=22>danny.m=
oses=40intel.com</a>=5D</div><div>Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41</d=
iv><div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</div><div>Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconfe=
rence</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hi. =46or so=
me reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I receive an</div><div>indi=
cation that I have already voted even though I did not.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Am I the only one=3F</div><div><br></d=
iv><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>     =
           /Danny</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>=46=
rom: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>mailto:dmm-boun=
ces=40ietf.org</a>=5D On Behalf Of Dapeng Liu</div><div>Sent: =46riday, M=
ay 30, 2014 07:40</div><div>To: dmm</div><div>Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconf=
erence</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Hello,</div><d=
iv><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>The WG decide to have a tele=
conference next week. Please select your</div><div>prefer time in doodle.=
</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Doodle:</div><div><b=
r></div><div><a href=3D=22https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/pri=
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div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,=
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div><br></div><div><br=
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Folks,

The WGLC has ended for this I-D. There was one comment on the list:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dmm/current/msg01152.html

I also sent few editorial/typo correction comments offline to the 
authors while doing my review for the proto write-up.

We take the I-D passed the WGLC #2 but a new quick revision to
include the two comments is needed before we ship the I-D out of the WG.

- Jouni (as a DMM co-chair)


5/26/2014 6:39 AM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
> Folks,
>
> This email starts a one week WGLC #2 for
> draft-ietf-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-04. Issue you comments to the
> mailing list and place possible tickets to the issue tracker. There are
> quite a few changed mainly to tackle Charlie's comments.
>
> The WGLC ends 2ns June 2014 EOB (EEST). Silence is accounted as an
> acceptance for the content.
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> - Jouni (as a DMM co-chair)


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Bechet,

6/2/2014 7:33 PM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Bechet,
>>
>> All what we discuss here has been discussed 2-4 months ago already.
>> Repeating myself: propose concrete text & change snippets.
>>
> Jouni, you asked for it, you get it:
>
> I see these three charter items and I don't understand why we have them?
>               Enhanced gateway and mobility anchor selection
>
>              Forwarding path and signaling management
>
>              Gateway and mobility anchor re-selection

Ok..

> I suggest making a single charter item as dmm solution protocol so
> that we don't have to look at many documents for whatever solution we
> select.

And the text for the change you propose is..?

> I see this item and I don't understand what it is about:
>
>                     Exposing mobility state to mobile nodes and network nodes
>
> Is this about the MN dealing with many prefixes?

It is mostly about that and being able to advertise and configure 
addresses for a specific use case (e.g. prefix1 offers network based 
mobility, prefix2 provides connectivity to "value added services" and 
perfix3 is just about internet access without stating anything more).

>
> What if the solution does not require the MN to deal with many prefixes?

Then it doesn't.. if the MN does not need some enhancement / protocol, 
it does not need to implement one just because there is a milestone for 
one or a protocol out there.

The challenge is to make sure that the protocol defined here actually 
does not break legacy MNs or those who choose not to make use of some 
protocol extension.

> It seems like this  charter was written from the point of view of what
> we had way back in 2012.
> Now we are in 2014 and a lot has changed and these changes are not
> reflected in the charter.

Fair point. So, let's try to modernize the charter.

- Jouni


>
> Regards,
>
> Behcet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> - Jouni
>>
>>
>> 5/30/2014 12:29 AM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
>>
>>> About two months ago I had made this proposal
>>>
>>> First cycle, select one from each category of solutions, client,
>>> network based and routing based
>>> Second cycle, select one from the selected ones as the dmm solution.
>>>
>>> which still stands, I think.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bechet,
>>>>
>>>> 5/29/2014 11:52 PM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jouni,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was looking at the charter text and noticed one important issue. The
>>>>> charter seems to be stuck with the good old anchor think. Almost all
>>>>> text is about anchoring, anchor selection, anchor reselection, and so
>>>>> on.
>>>>>
>>>>> However in the past several months, we have seen in Alper's events,
>>>>> presentations which seem to have no anchor.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't see any active draft that talks about the anchors.
>>>>>
>>>>> In view of this, my question is how are we going to go ahead with this
>>>>> charter and meet the deadlines?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I (myself) see still value dragging along some anchoring stuff just to
>>>> allow
>>>> smoother migration from current deployed models toward less centralized
>>>> architectures.
>>>>
>>>> But you are right that we should not get stuck on those.. and that has
>>>> not
>>>> been the intent either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Or else, are we better off with a charter text which is much less
>>>>> dependent on the anchors, something  which could make it possible to
>>>>> progress one of those proposals??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are welcome to propose concrete text & change snippets to the current
>>>> charter text.
>>>>
>>>> - Jouni
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Behcet
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 3:50 AM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that the gap analysis I-D is almost on the stage of leaving the WG
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the requirements I-D has almost completed IESG, it would be time to
>>>>>> return
>>>>>> to the rechartering topic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, the latest revision can be found at:
>>>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, have a look at it. There are few changes proposed by Alper eons
>>>>>> ago
>>>>>> and corrected milestones pointed by Behcet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Third, let us get this finally done..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4/22/2014 3:55 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for letting this topic to rot in a dark for the couple of last
>>>>>>> weeks. I'll crank out a revision shortly..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Jouni & Dapeng
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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The following errata report has been verified for RFC5555,
"Mobile IPv6 Support for Dual Stack Hosts and Routers". 

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You may review the report below and at:
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5555&eid=3463

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Status: Verified
Type: Technical

Reported by: Romain Kuntz <r.kuntz@ipflavors.com>
Date Reported: 2013-01-17
Verified by: Ted Lemon (IESG)

Section: GLOBAL

Original Text
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with error code 144

Corrected Text
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Notes
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Binding acknowledgement error status 144 is referenced in sections 4.4.2 and 4.5 to specify that MN should not use UDP encapsulation. However, there is no mention of this status number in the IANA Considerations section (section 8).

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RFC5555 (draft-ietf-mext-nemo-v4traversal-10)
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Title               : Mobile IPv6 Support for Dual Stack Hosts and Routers
Publication Date    : June 2009
Author(s)           : H. Soliman, Ed.
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Mobility EXTensions for IPv6
Area                : Internet
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


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Hello All, =20

=46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most votes.

We will send out Webex link later. =20
-- =20
Dapeng Liu&Jouni


=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=
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> Hello all, =20
> =20
> I modified the settings. Please try again.
> =20
> http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95
> =20
> =20
> -- =20
> Dapeng Liu
> =20
> =20
> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=
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=EF=BC=9A
> =20
> > Same here.
> > =20
> > Carlos
> > =20
> > On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian=40cs.utwente.nl (mailto:k=
aragian=40cs.utwente.nl) wrote:
> > > Hi Danny, Hi all,
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote=21
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > Best regards,
> > > =20
> > > Georgios
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
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> > > Van: dmm =5Bdmm-bounces=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org)=5D=
 namens Moses, Danny
> > > =5Bdanny.moses=40intel.com (mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com)=5D
> > > Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
> > > Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
> > > Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I receive=
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> > > indication that I have already voted even though I did not.
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > Am I the only one=3F
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > Thanks,
> > > =20
> > > /Danny
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =46rom: dmm =5Bmailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf Of Dapeng=
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> > > Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40
> > > To: dmm
> > > Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > Hello,
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please select you=
r
> > > prefer time in doodle.
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > Doodle:
> > > =20
> > > https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ftmail=3Dpoll=5F=
invitecontact=5Fparticipant=5Finvitation&tlink=3Dpollbtn
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > Thanks,
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > -- =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > Dapeng&Jouni
> > > =20
> > > =20
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                <div>
                    Hello All,
                </div><div><br></div><div>=46riday&nbsp;<span style=3D=22=
color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 17px;=22>10:00&nbsp;AM&nbsp;-</span><span style=3D=22color: =
rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-he=
ight: 17px;=22>12:00&nbsp;PM (Pacific Time)&nbsp;</span><span style=3D=22=
color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 17px;=22>slot </span><span style=3D=22color: rgb(50, 50, 50)=
; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 17px;=22>=
gets the most votes.</span></div><div><div><br></div><div>We will send ou=
t Webex link later.&nbsp;</div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu&amp;Jou=
ni</div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B4=
6=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDa=
peng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>
                <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22border-left-styl=
e:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;=22>
                    <span><div><div>
                <div>
                    Hello all,
                </div><div><br></div><div>I modified the settings. Please=
 try again.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/q7zee=
bs9nqnbif95=22>http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95</a></div><div><br></div=
>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</d=
iv><div><br></div></div>
                 =20
                <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B4=
6=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCa=
rlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote=
 type=3D=22cite=22><div>
                    <span><div><div><div>Same here.</div><div><br></div><=
div>Carlos</div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, <a=
 href=3D=22mailto:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl=22>karagian=40cs.utwente.nl</a=
> wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div><div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</=
div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I am getting the =
same indication and I cannot vote=21</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Georgios</div><div><br></div><=
div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F</div><div>Van: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mail=
to:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>dmm-bounces=40ietf.org</a>=5D namens Moses, =
Danny</div><div>=5B<a href=3D=22mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com=22>danny.m=
oses=40intel.com</a>=5D</div><div>Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41</d=
iv><div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</div><div>Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconfe=
rence</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hi. =46or so=
me reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I receive an</div><div>indi=
cation that I have already voted even though I did not.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Am I the only one=3F</div><div><br></d=
iv><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>     =
           /Danny</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>=46=
rom: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>mailto:dmm-boun=
ces=40ietf.org</a>=5D On Behalf Of Dapeng Liu</div><div>Sent: =46riday, M=
ay 30, 2014 07:40</div><div>To: dmm</div><div>Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconf=
erence</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Hello,</div><d=
iv><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>The WG decide to have a tele=
conference next week. Please select your</div><div>prefer time in doodle.=
</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Doodle:</div><div><b=
r></div><div><a href=3D=22https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/pri=
vate=3Ftmail=3Dpoll=5Finvitecontact=5Fparticipant=5Finvitation&amp;tlink=3D=
pollbtn=22>https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ftmail=3D=
poll=5Finvitecontact=5Fparticipant=5Finvitation&amp;tlink=3Dpollbtn</a></=
div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,=
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div><br></div><div><br=
></div><div>Dapeng&amp;Jouni</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </d=
iv><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-----------------------------------=
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Hello Jouni,

I communicated three issues:

- The gap does not explain the gaps between the requirements and
     FMIP / [seamoby] documents / [hokey]
- The document does not explain the relevance of the SIPTO example
     in fulfilling the requirements.  In fact, SIPTO has "limited mobility
     support".
- The document uses terminology "LMs" and "LMc" that could be
     improved.  Almost every existing IETF approach refers to some sort
     of "binding management", and it would be better to stay aligned
     with that.  This is especially true lately, since "location management"
     is relevant to advertisements and even surveillance.

Regards,
Charlie P.


On 6/2/2014 9:25 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
> Folks,
>
> The WGLC has ended for this I-D. There was one comment on the list:
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dmm/current/msg01152.html
>
> I also sent few editorial/typo correction comments offline to the 
> authors while doing my review for the proto write-up.
>
> We take the I-D passed the WGLC #2 but a new quick revision to
> include the two comments is needed before we ship the I-D out of the WG.
>
> - Jouni (as a DMM co-chair)
>
>
> 5/26/2014 6:39 AM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>> Folks,
>>
>> This email starts a one week WGLC #2 for
>> draft-ietf-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-04. Issue you comments to the
>> mailing list and place possible tickets to the issue tracker. There are
>> quite a few changed mainly to tackle Charlie's comments.
>>
>> The WGLC ends 2ns June 2014 EOB (EEST). Silence is accounted as an
>> acceptance for the content.
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That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not show. I =
wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else.

(10am PDT is  8pm on Friday evening which is officially part of the =
weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. For China/Japan/Korea, it's like =
1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I wish we had more human-friendly =
options. Anyhow, if going ahead with this time slot, please make sure to =
share the meeting minutes afterwards.)

Cheers,

Alper


On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:

> Hello All,
>=20
> Friday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most votes.
>=20
> We will send out Webex link later.=20
> --=20
> Dapeng Liu&Jouni
> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=
=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
>=20
>> Hello all,
>>=20
>> I modified the settings. Please try again.
>>=20
>> http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95
>>=20
>>=20
>> --=20
>> Dapeng Liu
>>=20
>> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs =
Bernardos Cano =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
>>=20
>>> Same here.
>>>=20
>>> Carlos
>>>=20
>>> On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian@cs.utwente.nl wrote:
>>>> Hi Danny, Hi all,
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote!
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>=20
>>>> Georgios
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> =
______________________________________________________________________
>>>> Van: dmm [dmm-bounces@ietf.org] namens Moses, Danny
>>>> [danny.moses@intel.com]
>>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
>>>> Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Hi. For some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I receive =
an
>>>> indication that I have already voted even though I did not.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Am I the only one?
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>=20
>>>> /Danny
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dapeng Liu
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 07:40
>>>> To: dmm
>>>> Subject: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Hello,
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please select =
your
>>>> prefer time in doodle.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Doodle:
>>>>=20
>>>> =
https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private?tmail=3Dpoll_invitecon=
tact_participant_invitation&tlink=3Dpollbtn
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Thanks,
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
">That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not show. =
I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone =
else.<div><br></div><div>(10am PDT is &nbsp;8pm on Friday evening which =
is officially part of the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. For =
China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I wish we =
had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with this time =
slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes =
afterwards.)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Alp=
er</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, =
Dapeng Liu wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite">
                <div>
                    Hello All,
                </div><div><br></div><div>Friday&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12px; line-height: 17px;">10:00&nbsp;AM&nbsp;-</span><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12px; line-height: 17px;">12:00&nbsp;PM (Pacific =
Time)&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 17px;">slot =
</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 17px;">gets the most =
votes.</span></div><div><div><br></div><div>We will send out Webex link =
later.&nbsp;</div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng =
Liu&amp;Jouni</div></div><p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">=E5=9C=A8 =
2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:0=
1=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-=
left:10px;">
                    <span><div><div>
                <div>
                    Hello all,
                </div><div><br></div><div>I modified the settings. =
Please try again.</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95">http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnb=
if95</a></div><div><br></div>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng =
Liu</div><div><br></div></div><p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">=E5=9C=A8 =
2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:2=
3=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
                    <span><div><div><div>Same =
here.</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos</div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, =
2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, <a =
href=3D"mailto:karagian@cs.utwente.nl">karagian@cs.utwente.nl</a> =
wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Hi Danny, Hi =
all,</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I am =
getting the same indication and I cannot =
vote!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best =
regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Georgios</div><div><br></div><div> =
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_________________________________=
_____________________________________</div><div>Van: dmm [<a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>] namens =
Moses, Danny</div><div>[<a =
href=3D"mailto:danny.moses@intel.com">danny.moses@intel.com</a>]</div><div=
>Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41</div><div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; =
dmm</div><div>Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] =
Teleconference</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hi. =
For some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I receive =
an</div><div>indication that I have already voted even though I did =
not.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Am I the only =
one?</div><div><br></div><div> =
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>              =
  /Danny</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>From: dmm =
[<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>] =
On Behalf Of Dapeng Liu</div><div>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 =
07:40</div><div>To: dmm</div><div>Subject: [DMM] =
Teleconference</div><div><br></div><div> =
</div><div><br></div><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div> =
</div><div><br></div><div>The WG decide to have a teleconference next =
week. Please select your</div><div>prefer time in =
doodle.</div><div><br></div><div> =
</div><div><br></div><div>Doodle:</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private?tmail=3Dpoll_i=
nvitecontact_participant_invitation&amp;tlink=3Dpollbtn">https://doodle.co=
m/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private?tmail=3Dpoll_invitecontact_participant_=
invitation&amp;tlink=3Dpollbtn</a></div><div><br></div><div> =
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>=
<br></div><div>-- =
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dapeng&amp;Jouni</div><div><br></=
div><div><br></div><div> =
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Charlie,

Right, sorry for missing these.

- jouni


6/3/2014 8:37 AM, Charlie Perkins kirjoitti:
>
> Hello Jouni,
>
> I communicated three issues:
>
> - The gap does not explain the gaps between the requirements and
>      FMIP / [seamoby] documents / [hokey]
> - The document does not explain the relevance of the SIPTO example
>      in fulfilling the requirements.  In fact, SIPTO has "limited mobility
>      support".
> - The document uses terminology "LMs" and "LMc" that could be
>      improved.  Almost every existing IETF approach refers to some sort
>      of "binding management", and it would be better to stay aligned
>      with that.  This is especially true lately, since "location
> management"
>      is relevant to advertisements and even surveillance.
>
> Regards,
> Charlie P.
>
>
> On 6/2/2014 9:25 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> The WGLC has ended for this I-D. There was one comment on the list:
>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dmm/current/msg01152.html
>>
>> I also sent few editorial/typo correction comments offline to the
>> authors while doing my review for the proto write-up.
>>
>> We take the I-D passed the WGLC #2 but a new quick revision to
>> include the two comments is needed before we ship the I-D out of the WG.
>>
>> - Jouni (as a DMM co-chair)
>>
>>
>> 5/26/2014 6:39 AM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> This email starts a one week WGLC #2 for
>>> draft-ietf-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-04. Issue you comments to the
>>> mailing list and place possible tickets to the issue tracker. There are
>>> quite a few changed mainly to tackle Charlie's comments.
>>>
>>> The WGLC ends 2ns June 2014 EOB (EEST). Silence is accounted as an
>>> acceptance for the content.
>>>
>>> - Jouni (as a DMM co-chair)
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Hi Alper, =20

The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for others.

The problem here is that we are from different continents and there is no=
 human-friendly time for every one. We can shift timezones for the next m=
eeting. Is that OK for you=3F =20

-- =20
Dapeng Liu


=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=
=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A

> That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not show. I=
 wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else.
> =20
> (10am PDT is  8pm on =46riday evening which is officially part of the w=
eekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or China/Japan/Korea, it's like =
1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I wish we had more human-friendly options=
. Anyhow, if going ahead with this time slot, please make sure to share t=
he meeting minutes afterwards.)
> =20
> Cheers,
> =20
> Alper
> =20
> =20
> On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > Hello All, =20
> > =20
> > =46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most votes.
> > =20
> > We will send out Webex link later. =20
> > -- =20
> > Dapeng Liu&Jouni
> > =20
> > =20
> > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=
=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > =20
> > > Hello all, =20
> > > =20
> > > I modified the settings. Please try again.
> > > =20
> > > http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > -- =20
> > > Dapeng Liu
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=
=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =E5=86=99=E9=81=
=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > =20
> > > > Same here.
> > > > =20
> > > > Carlos
> > > > =20
> > > > On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian=40cs.utwente.nl (mail=
to:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl) wrote:
> > > > > Hi Danny, Hi all,
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote=21
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Georgios
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
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> > > > > Van: dmm =5Bdmm-bounces=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.o=
rg)=5D namens Moses, Danny
> > > > > =5Bdanny.moses=40intel.com (mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com)=5D
> > > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
> > > > > Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
> > > > > Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I rec=
eive an
> > > > > indication that I have already voted even though I did not.
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Am I the only one=3F
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > =20
> > > > > /Danny
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =46rom: dmm =5Bmailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf Of Da=
peng Liu
> > > > > Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40
> > > > > To: dmm
> > > > > Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please select=
 your
> > > > > prefer time in doodle.
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Doodle:
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> > > > > https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ftmail=3Dp=
oll=5Finvitecontact=5Fparticipant=5Finvitation&tlink=3Dpollbtn
> > > > > =20
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> > > > > =20
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > -- =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Dapeng&Jouni
> > > > > =20
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> > > > > =20
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                <div>
                    Hi Alper,
                </div><div><br></div><div>The doodle link has been update=
d and I guess it works fine for others.</div><div><br></div><div>The prob=
lem here is that we are from different&nbsp;continents and there is no hu=
man-friendly time for every one. We can shift timezones for the next meet=
ing. Is that OK for you=3F</div>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</d=
iv><div><br></div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B4=
6=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlp=
er Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>
                <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22border-left-styl=
e:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;=22>
                    <span><div><div>That's odd. I had entered my votes in=
 the poll, but it does not show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened=
 to anyone else.<div><br></div><div>(10am PDT is &nbsp;8pm on =46riday ev=
ening which is officially part of the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as=
 X. =46or China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I =
wish we had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with this=
 time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes afterwards.)</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Alper</div><div><=
br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote=
:</div><br><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
                <div>
                    Hello All,
                </div><div><br></div><div>=46riday&nbsp;<span style=3D=22=
color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 17px;=22>10:00&nbsp;AM&nbsp;-</span><span style=3D=22color: =
rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-he=
ight: 17px;=22>12:00&nbsp;PM (Pacific Time)&nbsp;</span><span style=3D=22=
color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 17px;=22>slot </span><span style=3D=22color: rgb(50, 50, 50)=
; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 17px;=22>=
gets the most votes.</span></div><div><div><br></div><div>We will send ou=
t Webex link later.&nbsp;</div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu&amp;Jou=
ni</div></div><p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=
=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDap=
eng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div=
>
                    <span><div><div>
                <div>
                    Hello all,
                </div><div><br></div><div>I modified the settings. Please=
 try again.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/q7zee=
bs9nqnbif95=22>http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95</a></div><div><br></div=
>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</d=
iv><div><br></div></div><p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=
=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=
=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><bl=
ockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
                    <span><div><div><div>Same here.</div><div><br></div><=
div>Carlos</div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, <a=
 href=3D=22mailto:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl=22>karagian=40cs.utwente.nl</a=
> wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div><div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</=
div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I am getting the =
same indication and I cannot vote=21</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Georgios</div><div><br></div><=
div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
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=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F</div><div>Van: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mail=
to:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>dmm-bounces=40ietf.org</a>=5D namens Moses, =
Danny</div><div>=5B<a href=3D=22mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com=22>danny.m=
oses=40intel.com</a>=5D</div><div>Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41</d=
iv><div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</div><div>Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconfe=
rence</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hi. =46or so=
me reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I receive an</div><div>indi=
cation that I have already voted even though I did not.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Am I the only one=3F</div><div><br></d=
iv><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>     =
           /Danny</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>=46=
rom: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>mailto:dmm-boun=
ces=40ietf.org</a>=5D On Behalf Of Dapeng Liu</div><div>Sent: =46riday, M=
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erence</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Hello,</div><d=
iv><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>The WG decide to have a tele=
conference next week. Please select your</div><div>prefer time in doodle.=
</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Doodle:</div><div><b=
r></div><div><a href=3D=22https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/pri=
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div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,=
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Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,

I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is 3am-5am 
on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to attend...

BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1 meeting. I 
don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, but we may better a 
little bit speed up our discussion.

Regards,

-- 
Hidetoshi Yokota

KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp


(2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:
> Hi Alper,
>
> The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for others.
>
> The problem here is that we are from different continents and there is 
> no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift timezones for the 
> next meeting. Is that OK for you?
>
> -- 
> Dapeng Liu
>
> åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ5æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸå››ï¼Œ0:29ï¼ŒAlper Yegin å†™é“ï¼š
>
>> That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not show. 
>> I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else.
>>
>> (10am PDT is  8pm on Friday evening which is officially part of the 
>> weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. For China/Japan/Korea, it's 
>> like 1/2am Saturday morningâ€¦ I wish we had more human-friendly 
>> options. Anyhow, if going ahead with this time slot, please make sure 
>> to share the meeting minutes afterwards.)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Alper
>>
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Friday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most votes.
>>>
>>> We will send out Webex link later.
>>> -- 
>>> Dapeng Liu&Jouni
>>>
>>> åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ3æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸäºŒï¼Œ12:01ï¼ŒDapeng Liu å†™é“ï¼š
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I modified the settings. Please try again.
>>>>
>>>> http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>
>>>> åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ2æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸä¸€ï¼Œ17:23ï¼ŒCarlos JesÃºs Bernardos Cano å†™é“ï¼š
>>>>
>>>>> Same here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian@cs.utwente.nl 
>>>>> <mailto:karagian@cs.utwente.nl> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Danny, Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Georgios
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>>>>> Van: dmm [dmm-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org>] 
>>>>>> namens Moses, Danny
>>>>>> [danny.moses@intel.com <mailto:danny.moses@intel.com>]
>>>>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
>>>>>> Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
>>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi. For some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I receive an
>>>>>> indication that I have already voted even though I did not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I the only one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Danny
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dapeng Liu
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 07:40
>>>>>> To: dmm
>>>>>> Subject: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please select your
>>>>>> prefer time in doodle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doodle:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation&tlink=pollbtn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,<br>
      <br>
      I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is
      3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to
      attend... <br>
      <br>
      BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1
      meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start,
      but we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.<br>
      <br>
      Regards,</font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br>
    </font>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Hidetoshi Yokota

KDDI R&amp;D Laboratories, Inc.
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp">e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp</a></pre>
    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><br>
    </font>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">(2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:0FDD3FB9C79A496B957403FA7458D746@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div> Hi Alper, </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine
        for others.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>The problem here is that we are from differentÂ continents and
        there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift
        timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you?</div>
      <div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>--Â </div>
        <div>Dapeng Liu</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <p style="color: #A0A0A8;">åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ5æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸå››ï¼Œ0:29ï¼ŒAlper Yegin å†™é“ï¼š</p>
      <blockquote type="cite"
style="border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;">
        <span>
          <div>
            <div>That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it
              does not show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to
              anyone else.
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>(10am PDT is Â 8pm on Friday evening which is
                officially part of the weekend :-) , so I had marked it
                as X. For China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday
                morningâ€¦ I wish we had more human-friendly options.
                Anyhow, if going ahead with this time slot, please make
                sure to share the meeting minutes afterwards.)</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Cheers,</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Alper</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
                <div>
                  <div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
                  <br>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>
                      <div> Hello All, </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>FridayÂ <span style="color: rgb(50, 50, 50);
                          font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size:
                          12px; line-height: 17px;">10:00Â AMÂ -</span><span
                          style="color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family:
                          Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;
                          line-height: 17px;">12:00Â PM (Pacific Time)Â </span><span
                          style="color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family:
                          Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;
                          line-height: 17px;">slot </span><span
                          style="color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family:
                          Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;
                          line-height: 17px;">gets the most votes.</span></div>
                      <div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>We will send out Webex link later.Â </div>
                        <div>--Â </div>
                        <div>Dapeng Liu&amp;Jouni</div>
                      </div>
                      <p style="color: #A0A0A8;">åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ3æ—¥
                        æ˜ŸæœŸäºŒï¼Œ12:01ï¼ŒDapeng Liu å†™é“ï¼š</p>
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <div> <span>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div> Hello all, </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>I modified the settings. Please try
                                  again.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95">http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95</a></div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>--Â </div>
                                  <div>Dapeng Liu</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <p style="color: #A0A0A8;">åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ2æ—¥
                                  æ˜ŸæœŸä¸€ï¼Œ17:23ï¼ŒCarlos JesÃºs Bernardos Cano
                                  å†™é“ï¼š</p>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div> <span>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>Same here.</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Carlos</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at
                                            10:05 +0000, <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:karagian@cs.utwente.nl">karagian@cs.utwente.nl</a>
                                            wrote:</div>
                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                            <div>
                                              <div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Yes, I am getting the
                                                same indication and I
                                                cannot vote!</div>
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                                              <div>Best regards,</div>
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                                              <div>Georgios</div>
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                                                Moses, Danny</div>
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                                              <div>Verzonden: vrijdag 30
                                                mei 2014 19:41</div>
                                              <div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</div>
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                                              <div>Hi. For some reason I
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                                              <div>Am I the only one?</div>
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                                              <div>Hello,</div>
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                                              <div>The WG decide to have
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Hi,

Just to explain why we chose the term "Location management" instead of "bin=
ding management":=20

Actually, we have considered that "binding management" has too much IP mobi=
lity flavor and we wanted something more generic. BTW, of course, LM refers=
 to IP location management...  "binding management" is fine but it may impl=
icitly lead the reader to consider only IP mobility protocols... So,  we us=
e "Location management" to be more generic and open the door to other mobil=
ity management mechanisms. That said, I'll not oppose to use "binding manag=
ement" if there is a group consensus.

Pierrick

>-----Message d'origine-----
>De=A0: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Jouni Korhonen
>Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 4 juin 2014 22:29
>=C0=A0: Charlie Perkins; dmm@ietf.org
>Cc=A0: dmm-chairs@tools.ietf.org
>Objet=A0: Re: [DMM] WGLC #2 for draft-ietf-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-
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>Charlie,
>
>Right, sorry for missing these.
>
>- jouni
>
>
>6/3/2014 8:37 AM, Charlie Perkins kirjoitti:
>>
>> Hello Jouni,
>>
>> I communicated three issues:
>>
>> - The gap does not explain the gaps between the requirements and
>>      FMIP / [seamoby] documents / [hokey]
>> - The document does not explain the relevance of the SIPTO example
>>      in fulfilling the requirements.  In fact, SIPTO has "limited mobili=
ty
>>      support".
>> - The document uses terminology "LMs" and "LMc" that could be
>>      improved.  Almost every existing IETF approach refers to some sort
>>      of "binding management", and it would be better to stay aligned
>>      with that.  This is especially true lately, since "location
>> management"
>>      is relevant to advertisements and even surveillance.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Charlie P.
>>
>>
>> On 6/2/2014 9:25 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> The WGLC has ended for this I-D. There was one comment on the list:
>>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dmm/current/msg01152.html
>>>
>>> I also sent few editorial/typo correction comments offline to the
>>> authors while doing my review for the proto write-up.
>>>
>>> We take the I-D passed the WGLC #2 but a new quick revision to
>>> include the two comments is needed before we ship the I-D out of the
>WG.
>>>
>>> - Jouni (as a DMM co-chair)
>>>
>>>
>>> 5/26/2014 6:39 AM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> This email starts a one week WGLC #2 for
>>>> draft-ietf-dmm-best-practices-gap-analysis-04. Issue you comments to
>>>> the mailing list and place possible tickets to the issue tracker.
>>>> There are quite a few changed mainly to tackle Charlie's comments.
>>>>
>>>> The WGLC ends 2ns June 2014 EOB (EEST). Silence is accounted as an
>>>> acceptance for the content.
>>>>
>>>> - Jouni (as a DMM co-chair)
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Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, =20

It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. =20

How about PST 8:00 AM =46riday=3F It would be:
---------------------------------------
San =46rancisco: 8:00 AM
Paris:   17:00 PM
Stockholm: 17:00 PM
Istanbul: 18:00 PM
Beijing: 23:00 PM
Tokyo: 24:00 PM

Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:
----------------------------------------
San =46rancisco:  7:00 AM
Paris:   16:00 PM
Stockholm: 16:00 PM
Istanbul:  17:00 PM
Beijing:  22:00 PM
Tokyo:  23:00 PM


Lets vote again between those two options:
http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k

Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste. it at =
least shows people prefer to have the meeting on =46riday :)

-- =20
Dapeng Liu

=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=
=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A =20
> Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,
> =20
> I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is 3am-5am=
 on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to attend... =20
> =20
> BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1 meeting. =
I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, but we may better =
a little bit speed up our discussion.
> =20
> Regards,
> -- Hidetoshi Yokota KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc. e-mail:yokota=40kddilab=
s.jp (mailto:e-mail:yokota=40kddilabs.jp) =20
> (2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > Hi Alper, =20
> > =20
> > The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for others=
. =20
> > =20
> > The problem here is that we are from different continents and there i=
s no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift timezones for the ne=
xt meeting. Is that OK for you=3F =20
> > =20
> > --  =20
> > Dapeng Liu
> > =20
> > =20
> > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=
=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > =20
> > > That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not sho=
w. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else. =20
> > > =20
> > > (10am PDT is  8pm on =46riday evening which is officially part of t=
he weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or China/Japan/Korea, it's l=
ike 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I wish we had more human-friendly opt=
ions. Anyhow, if going ahead with this time slot, please make sure to sha=
re the meeting minutes afterwards.) =20
> > > =20
> > > Cheers, =20
> > > =20
> > > Alper =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote: =20
> > > > Hello All, =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most vot=
es. =20
> > > > =20
> > > > We will send out Webex link later.  =20
> > > > -- =20
> > > > Dapeng Liu&Jouni
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=
=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > > =20
> > > > > Hello all, =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > I modified the settings. Please try again. =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95 =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > --  =20
> > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=
=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =E5=86=99=E9=
=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > > > =20
> > > > > > Same here.
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Carlos =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian=40cs.utwente.nl (=
mailto:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl) wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Danny, Hi all,
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote=21 =
=20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Best regards, =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Georgios =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
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> > > > > > > Van: dmm =5Bdmm-bounces=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm-bounces=40ie=
tf.org)=5D namens Moses, Danny
> > > > > > > =5Bdanny.moses=40intel.com (mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com)=
=5D
> > > > > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
> > > > > > > Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
> > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I=
 receive an =20
> > > > > > > indication that I have already voted even though I did not.=

> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Am I the only one=3F =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Thanks, =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > /Danny =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =46rom: dmm =5Bmailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf O=
f Dapeng Liu =20
> > > > > > > Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40
> > > > > > > To: dmm
> > > > > > > Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Hello, =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please se=
lect your =20
> > > > > > > prefer time in doodle.
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Doodle: =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ftmail=
=3Dpoll=5Finvitecontact=5Fparticipant=5Finvitation&tlink=3Dpollbtn =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Thanks, =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
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                <div>
                    Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all,
                </div><div><br></div><div>It seems many people is not con=
venient for the time slot.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>How about PST 8=
:00 AM =46riday=3F It would be:</div><div>-------------------------------=
--------</div><div>San =46rancisco:<span class=3D=22Apple-tab-span=22 sty=
le=3D=22white-space:pre=22>	</span> 8:00 AM</div><div>Paris: &nbsp;<span =
class=3D=22Apple-tab-span=22 style=3D=22white-space:pre=22>			</span>17:0=
0 PM</div><div>Stockholm:<span class=3D=22Apple-tab-span=22 style=3D=22wh=
ite-space:pre=22>		</span>17:00 PM</div><div>Istanbul: <span class=3D=22A=
pple-tab-span=22 style=3D=22white-space:pre=22>			</span>18:00 PM</div><d=
iv>Beijing: <span class=3D=22Apple-tab-span=22 style=3D=22white-space:pre=
=22>			</span>23:00 PM</div><div>Tokyo: <span class=3D=22Apple-tab-span=22=
 style=3D=22white-space:pre=22>			</span>24:00 PM</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:</div><div>-------------------=
---------------------</div><div><div>San =46rancisco:<span class=3D=22App=
le-tab-span=22 style=3D=22white-space: pre;=22>	</span>&nbsp;7:00 AM</div=
><div>Paris: &nbsp;<span class=3D=22Apple-tab-span=22 style=3D=22white-sp=
ace: pre;=22>			</span>16:00 PM</div><div>Stockholm:<span class=3D=22Appl=
e-tab-span=22 style=3D=22white-space: pre;=22>		</span>16:00 PM</div><div=
>Istanbul:&nbsp;<span class=3D=22Apple-tab-span=22 style=3D=22white-space=
: pre;=22>			</span>17:00 PM</div><div>Beijing:&nbsp;<span class=3D=22App=
le-tab-span=22 style=3D=22white-space: pre;=22>			</span>22:00 PM</div><d=
iv>Tokyo:&nbsp;<span class=3D=22Apple-tab-span=22 style=3D=22white-space:=
 pre;=22>			</span>23:00 PM</div></div><div><br></div><div><div>Lets vote=
 again between those two options:</div></div><div>http://doodle.com/it56e=
nb76n7qgz9k</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry for the inconvenient but the p=
revious vote is not all waste. it at least shows people prefer to have th=
e meeting on =46riday :)</div><div><br></div><div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div=
>Dapeng Liu</div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D=22color: rgb(160, 160=
, 168);=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=
=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=
=9A</span></div></div>
                <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22border-left-styl=
e:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;=22>
                    <span><div><div>
  =20
    <meta content=3D=22text/html; charset=3DUT=46-8=22 http-equiv=3D=22Co=
ntent-Type=22>
  =20
  =20
    <font face=3D=22Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif=22>Hi Dapeng, Alper and =
all,<br>
      <br>
      I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is
      3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to
      attend... <br>
      <br>
      BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1
      meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start,
      but we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.<br>
      <br>
      Regards,</font><font face=3D=22Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif=22><br>=

    </font>
    <pre cols=3D=2272=22>-- =20
Hidetoshi Yokota

KDDI R&amp;D Laboratories, Inc.
<a href=3D=22mailto:e-mail:yokota=40kddilabs.jp=22>e-mail:yokota=40kddila=
bs.jp</a></pre>
    <font face=3D=22Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif=22><br>
    </font>
    <div>(2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:<br>
    </div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
      <div> Hi Alper, </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine
        for others.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>The problem here is that we are from different&nbsp;continents=
 and
        there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift
        timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you=3F</div>
      <div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>--&nbsp;</div>
        <div>Dapeng Liu</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=88=
5=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=
=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
        <span>
          <div>
            <div>That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it
              does not show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to
              anyone else.
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>(10am PDT is &nbsp;8pm on =46riday evening which is
                officially part of the weekend :-) , so I had marked it
                as X. =46or China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday
                morning=E2=80=A6 I wish we had more human-friendly option=
s.
                Anyhow, if going ahead with this time slot, please make
                sure to share the meeting minutes afterwards.)</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Cheers,</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Alper</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
                <div>
                  <div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:</di=
v>
                  <br><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
                    <div>
                      <div> Hello All, </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>=46riday&nbsp;<span style=3D=22color: rgb(50, =
50, 50);
                          font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size:
                          12px; line-height: 17px;=22>10:00&nbsp;AM&nbsp;=
-</span><span style=3D=22color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family:
                          Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;
                          line-height: 17px;=22>12:00&nbsp;PM (Pacific Ti=
me)&nbsp;</span><span style=3D=22color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family:
                          Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;
                          line-height: 17px;=22>slot </span><span style=3D=
=22color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family:
                          Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;
                          line-height: 17px;=22>gets the most votes.</spa=
n></div>
                      <div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>We will send out Webex link later.&nbsp;</di=
v>
                        <div>--&nbsp;</div>
                        <div>Dapeng Liu&amp;Jouni</div>
                      </div>
                      <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=
=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5
                        =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8C=
Dapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><=
div>
                        <div> <span>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div> Hello all, </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>I modified the settings. Please try
                                  again.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div><a moz-do-not-send=3D=22true=22 href=
=3D=22http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95=22>http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqn=
bif95</a></div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>--&nbsp;</div>
                                  <div>Dapeng Liu</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=
=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5
                                  =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:=
23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano
                                  =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockqu=
ote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
                                  <div> <span>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>Same here.</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Carlos</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at
                                            10:05 +0000, <a moz-do-not-se=
nd=3D=22true=22 href=3D=22mailto:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl=22>karagian=40c=
s.utwente.nl</a>
                                            wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D=
=22cite=22><div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</div=
>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Yes, I am getting the
                                                same indication and I
                                                cannot vote=21</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Best regards,</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Georgios</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F</div>
                                              <div>Van: dmm =5B<a moz-do-=
not-send=3D=22true=22 href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>dmm-boun=
ces=40ietf.org</a>=5D namens
                                                Moses, Danny</div>
                                              <div>=5B<a moz-do-not-send=3D=
=22true=22 href=3D=22mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com=22>danny.moses=40inte=
l.com</a>=5D</div>
                                              <div>Verzonden: vrijdag 30
                                                mei 2014 19:41</div>
                                              <div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</=
div>
                                              <div>Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D=

                                                Teleconference</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Hi. =46or some reason =
I
                                                cannot vote. When
                                                entering Doodle I
                                                receive an</div>
                                              <div>indication that I
                                                have already voted even
                                                though I did not.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Am I the only one=3F</=
div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Thanks,</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> /Danny</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>=46rom: dmm =5B<a moz-=
do-not-send=3D=22true=22 href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>mailt=
o:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org</a>=5D On
                                                Behalf Of Dapeng Liu</div=
>
                                              <div>Sent: =46riday, May 30=
,
                                                2014 07:40</div>
                                              <div>To: dmm</div>
                                              <div>Subject: =5BDMM=5D
                                                Teleconference</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Hello,</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>The WG decide to have
                                                a teleconference next
                                                week. Please select your<=
/div>
                                              <div>prefer time in
                                                doodle.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Doodle:</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><a moz-do-not-send=3D=22=
true=22 href=3D=22https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ft=
mail=3Dpoll=5Finvitecontact=5Fparticipant=5Finvitation&amp;tlink=3Dpollbt=
n=22>https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ftmail=3Dpoll=5F=
invitecontact=5Fparticipant=5Finvitation&amp;tlink=3Dpollbtn</a></div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div> </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Thanks,</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
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Hi Dapeng,

I use the following timeslot for the Next-Generation Mobility calls:

"Starting at: 7am California, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Korea/Japan"
And I exclude Friday evening.

This is much more reasonable than the ones in that doodle.

Alper








On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:28 AM, Dapeng Liu wrote:

> Hi Alper,
>=20
> The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for others.
>=20
> The problem here is that we are from different continents and there is =
no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift timezones for the =
next meeting. Is that OK for you?
>=20
> --=20
> Dapeng Liu
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> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=
=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
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>> That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not show. =
I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else.
>>=20
>> (10am PDT is  8pm on Friday evening which is officially part of the =
weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. For China/Japan/Korea, it's like =
1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I wish we had more human-friendly =
options. Anyhow, if going ahead with this time slot, please make sure to =
share the meeting minutes afterwards.)
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>>=20
>> Alper
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:
>>=20
>>> Hello All,
>>>=20
>>> Friday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most votes.
>>>=20
>>> We will send out Webex link later.=20
>>> --=20
>>> Dapeng Liu&Jouni
>>> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=
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>>>> Hello all,
>>>>=20
>>>> I modified the settings. Please try again.
>>>>=20
>>>> http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> --=20
>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>=20
>>>> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs =
Bernardos Cano =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
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>>>>> Same here.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Carlos
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>>>>> On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian@cs.utwente.nl wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Danny, Hi all,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote!
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Georgios
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>>>>>> =
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>>>>>> Van: dmm [dmm-bounces@ietf.org] namens Moses, Danny
>>>>>> [danny.moses@intel.com]
>>>>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
>>>>>> Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
>>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hi. For some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I receive =
an
>>>>>> indication that I have already voted even though I did not.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Am I the only one?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> /Danny
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dapeng Liu
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 07:40
>>>>>> To: dmm
>>>>>> Subject: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please select =
your
>>>>>> prefer time in doodle.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Doodle:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =
https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private?tmail=3Dpoll_invitecon=
tact_participant_invitation&tlink=3Dpollbtn
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>>>>>>=20
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>>>>>> Thanks,
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi =
Dapeng,<div><br></div><div>I use the following timeslot for the =
Next-Generation Mobility calls:</div><div><br></div><div>"Starting =
at:&nbsp;7am California, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm =
Korea/Japan"</div><div>And I exclude Friday =
evening.</div><div><br></div><div>This is much more reasonable than the =
ones in that =
doodle.</div><div><br></div><div>Alper</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>=
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=
<br><div><div>On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:28 AM, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">
                <div>
                    Hi Alper,
                </div><div><br></div><div>The doodle link has been =
updated and I guess it works fine for =
others.</div><div><br></div><div>The problem here is that we are from =
different&nbsp;continents and there is no human-friendly time for every =
one. We can shift timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for =
you?</div>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng =
Liu</div><div><br></div></div><p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">=E5=9C=A8 =
2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=
=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-=
left:10px;">
                    <span><div><div>That's odd. I had entered my votes =
in the poll, but it does not show. I wonder if it's only me, or it =
happened to anyone else.<div><br></div><div>(10am PDT is &nbsp;8pm on =
Friday evening which is officially part of the weekend :-) , so I had =
marked it as X. For China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday =
morning=E2=80=A6 I wish we had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if =
going ahead with this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting =
minutes =
afterwards.)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Alp=
er</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, =
Dapeng Liu wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
                <div>
                    Hello All,
                </div><div><br></div><div>Friday&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12px; line-height: 17px;">10:00&nbsp;AM&nbsp;-</span><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12px; line-height: 17px;">12:00&nbsp;PM (Pacific =
Time)&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: =
Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 17px;">slot =
</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 17px;">gets the most =
votes.</span></div><div><div><br></div><div>We will send out Webex link =
later.&nbsp;</div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng =
Liu&amp;Jouni</div></div><p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">=E5=9C=A8 =
2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:0=
1=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>
                    <span><div><div>
                <div>
                    Hello all,
                </div><div><br></div><div>I modified the settings. =
Please try again.</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95">http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnb=
if95</a></div><div><br></div>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng =
Liu</div><div><br></div></div><p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">=E5=9C=A8 =
2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:2=
3=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
                    <span><div><div><div>Same =
here.</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos</div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, =
2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, <a =
href=3D"mailto:karagian@cs.utwente.nl">karagian@cs.utwente.nl</a> =
wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Hi Danny, Hi =
all,</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I am =
getting the same indication and I cannot =
vote!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best =
regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Georgios</div><div><br></div><div> =
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_________________________________=
_____________________________________</div><div>Van: dmm [<a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>] namens =
Moses, Danny</div><div>[<a =
href=3D"mailto:danny.moses@intel.com">danny.moses@intel.com</a>]</div><div=
>Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41</div><div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; =
dmm</div><div>Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] =
Teleconference</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hi. =
For some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I receive =
an</div><div>indication that I have already voted even though I did =
not.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Am I the only =
one?</div><div><br></div><div> =
</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>              =
  /Danny</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>From: dmm =
[<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>] =
On Behalf Of Dapeng Liu</div><div>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 =
07:40</div><div>To: dmm</div><div>Subject: [DMM] =
Teleconference</div><div><br></div><div> =
</div><div><br></div><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div> =
</div><div><br></div><div>The WG decide to have a teleconference next =
week. Please select your</div><div>prefer time in =
doodle.</div><div><br></div><div> =
</div><div><br></div><div>Doodle:</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private?tmail=3Dpoll_i=
nvitecontact_participant_invitation&amp;tlink=3Dpollbtn">https://doodle.co=
m/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private?tmail=3Dpoll_invitecontact_participant_=
invitation&amp;tlink=3Dpollbtn</a></div><div><br></div><div> =
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>=
<br></div><div>-- =
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dapeng&amp;Jouni</div><div><br></=
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Thanks Alper, =20

I just send out a new doodle to choose between 7am or 8 am California.

-- =20
Dapeng Liu


=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=
=BC=8C16:26=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A

> Hi Dapeng,
> =20
> I use the following timeslot for the Next-Generation Mobility calls:
> =20
> =22Starting at: 7am California, 4pm Central Europe, 11pm Korea/Japan=22=

> And I exclude =46riday evening.
> =20
> This is much more reasonable than the ones in that doodle.
> =20
> Alper
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:28 AM, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > Hi Alper, =20
> > =20
> > The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for others=
.
> > =20
> > The problem here is that we are from different continents and there i=
s no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift timezones for the ne=
xt meeting. Is that OK for you=3F =20
> > =20
> > -- =20
> > Dapeng Liu
> > =20
> > =20
> > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=
=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > =20
> > > That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not sho=
w. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else.
> > > =20
> > > (10am PDT is  8pm on =46riday evening which is officially part of t=
he weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or China/Japan/Korea, it's l=
ike 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I wish we had more human-friendly opt=
ions. Anyhow, if going ahead with this time slot, please make sure to sha=
re the meeting minutes afterwards.)
> > > =20
> > > Cheers,
> > > =20
> > > Alper
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > > > Hello All, =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most vot=
es.
> > > > =20
> > > > We will send out Webex link later. =20
> > > > -- =20
> > > > Dapeng Liu&Jouni
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=
=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > > =20
> > > > > Hello all, =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > I modified the settings. Please try again.
> > > > > =20
> > > > > http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > -- =20
> > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=
=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =E5=86=99=E9=
=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > > > =20
> > > > > > Same here.
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian=40cs.utwente.nl (=
mailto:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl) wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Danny, Hi all,
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote=21
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Georgios
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
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> > > > > > > Van: dmm =5Bdmm-bounces=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm-bounces=40ie=
tf.org)=5D namens Moses, Danny
> > > > > > > =5Bdanny.moses=40intel.com (mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com)=
=5D
> > > > > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
> > > > > > > Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
> > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I=
 receive an
> > > > > > > indication that I have already voted even though I did not.=

> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Am I the only one=3F
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > /Danny
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =46rom: dmm =5Bmailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Behalf O=
f Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40
> > > > > > > To: dmm
> > > > > > > Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please se=
lect your
> > > > > > > prefer time in doodle.
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Doodle:
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ftmail=
=3Dpoll=5Finvitecontact=5Fparticipant=5Finvitation&tlink=3Dpollbtn
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Dapeng&Jouni
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
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                <div>
                    Thanks Alper,
                </div><div><br></div><div>I just send out a new doodle to=
 choose between 7am or 8 am California.</div><div><br></div><div><div>--&=
nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</div><div><br></div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B4=
6=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C16:26=EF=BC=8CAl=
per Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>
                <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22border-left-styl=
e:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;=22>
                    <span><div><div>Hi Dapeng,<div><br></div><div>I use t=
he following timeslot for the Next-Generation Mobility calls:</div><div><=
br></div><div>=22Starting at:&nbsp;7am California, 4pm Central Europe, 11=
pm Korea/Japan=22</div><div>And I exclude =46riday evening.</div><div><br=
></div><div>This is much more reasonable than the ones in that doodle.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Alper</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>=
</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div=
><div>On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:28 AM, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div><br><blockquote =
type=3D=22cite=22><div>
                <div>
                    Hi Alper,
                </div><div><br></div><div>The doodle link has been update=
d and I guess it works fine for others.</div><div><br></div><div>The prob=
lem here is that we are from different&nbsp;continents and there is no hu=
man-friendly time for every one. We can shift timezones for the next meet=
ing. Is that OK for you=3F</div>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</d=
iv><div><br></div></div><p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=
=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=
=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote type=3D=22ci=
te=22><div>
                    <span><div><div>That's odd. I had entered my votes in=
 the poll, but it does not show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened=
 to anyone else.<div><br></div><div>(10am PDT is &nbsp;8pm on =46riday ev=
ening which is officially part of the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as=
 X. =46or China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I =
wish we had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with this=
 time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes afterwards.)</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Alper</div><div><=
br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote=
:</div><br><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
                <div>
                    Hello All,
                </div><div><br></div><div>=46riday&nbsp;<span style=3D=22=
color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 17px;=22>10:00&nbsp;AM&nbsp;-</span><span style=3D=22color: =
rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-he=
ight: 17px;=22>12:00&nbsp;PM (Pacific Time)&nbsp;</span><span style=3D=22=
color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: 17px;=22>slot </span><span style=3D=22color: rgb(50, 50, 50)=
; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 17px;=22>=
gets the most votes.</span></div><div><div><br></div><div>We will send ou=
t Webex link later.&nbsp;</div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu&amp;Jou=
ni</div></div><p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=
=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDap=
eng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div=
>
                    <span><div><div>
                <div>
                    Hello all,
                </div><div><br></div><div>I modified the settings. Please=
 try again.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/q7zee=
bs9nqnbif95=22>http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95</a></div><div><br></div=
>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</d=
iv><div><br></div></div><p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=
=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=
=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><bl=
ockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
                    <span><div><div><div>Same here.</div><div><br></div><=
div>Carlos</div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, <a=
 href=3D=22mailto:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl=22>karagian=40cs.utwente.nl</a=
> wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div><div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</=
div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I am getting the =
same indication and I cannot vote=21</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Georgios</div><div><br></div><=
div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
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iv><div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</div><div>Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconfe=
rence</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hi. =46or so=
me reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I receive an</div><div>indi=
cation that I have already voted even though I did not.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Am I the only one=3F</div><div><br></d=
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rom: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>mailto:dmm-boun=
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ay 30, 2014 07:40</div><div>To: dmm</div><div>Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconf=
erence</div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Hello,</div><d=
iv><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>The WG decide to have a tele=
conference next week. Please select your</div><div>prefer time in doodle.=
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Hi Dapeng,

While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change now an
agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, and now
I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really cancel or
move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for next
week (not for tomorrow!!).

Thanks,

Carlos

On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, 
> 
> 
> It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. 
> 
> 
> How about PST 8:00 AM Friday? It would be:
> ---------------------------------------
> San Francisco: 8:00 AM
> Paris:   17:00 PM
> Stockholm: 17:00 PM
> Istanbul: 18:00 PM
> Beijing: 23:00 PM
> Tokyo: 24:00 PM
> 
> 
> Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:
> ----------------------------------------
> San Francisco:  7:00 AM
> Paris:   16:00 PM
> Stockholm: 16:00 PM
> Istanbul:  17:00 PM
> Beijing:  22:00 PM
> Tokyo:  23:00 PM
> 
> 
> Lets vote again between those two options:
> http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k
> 
> 
> Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste. it
> at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on Friday :)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dapeng Liu
> 
> 
> åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ5æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸå››ï¼Œ15:45ï¼ŒHidetoshi Yokota å†™é“ï¼š
> > Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,
> > 
> > I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is
> > 3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to
> > attend... 
> > 
> > BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1
> > meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, but
> > we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > --  
> > Hidetoshi Yokota
> > 
> > KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
> > e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp
> > 
> > (2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Alper, 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for
> > > others.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The problem here is that we are from different continents and
> > > there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift
> > > timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Dapeng Liu
> > > 
> > > 
> > > åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ5æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸå››ï¼Œ0:29ï¼ŒAlper Yegin å†™é“ï¼š
> > > 
> > > > That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not
> > > > show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > (10am PDT is  8pm on Friday evening which is officially part of
> > > > the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. For
> > > > China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morningâ€¦ I wish we
> > > > had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with
> > > > this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes
> > > > afterwards.)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Alper
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Hello All, 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Friday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most
> > > > > votes.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > We will send out Webex link later. 
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > Dapeng Liu&Jouni
> > > > > åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ3æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸäºŒï¼Œ12:01ï¼ŒDapeng Liu å†™é“ï¼š
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hello all, 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I modified the settings. Please try again.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -- 
> > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ2æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸä¸€ï¼Œ17:23ï¼ŒCarlos JesÃºs Bernardos Cano
> > > > > > å†™é“ï¼š
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Same here.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian@cs.utwente.nl
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Danny, Hi all,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Georgios
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Van: dmm [dmm-bounces@ietf.org] namens Moses, Danny
> > > > > > > > [danny.moses@intel.com]
> > > > > > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
> > > > > > > > Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
> > > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] Teleconference
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hi. For some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle
> > > > > > > > I receive an
> > > > > > > > indication that I have already voted even though I did
> > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Am I the only one?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > /Danny
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 07:40
> > > > > > > > To: dmm
> > > > > > > > Subject: [DMM] Teleconference
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please
> > > > > > > > select your
> > > > > > > > prefer time in doodle.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
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Hi Dapeng,

Thanks! Both will work.

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(2014/06/05 17:30), Dapeng Liu wrote:
> Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all,
>
> It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot.
>
> How about PST 8:00 AM Friday? It would be:
> ---------------------------------------
> San Francisco:8:00 AM
> Paris: 17:00 PM
> Stockholm:17:00 PM
> Istanbul: 18:00 PM
> Beijing: 23:00 PM
> Tokyo: 24:00 PM
>
> Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:
> ----------------------------------------
> San Francisco: 7:00 AM
> Paris: 16:00 PM
> Stockholm:16:00 PM
> Istanbul: 17:00 PM
> Beijing: 22:00 PM
> Tokyo: 23:00 PM
>
> Lets vote again between those two options:
> http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k
>
> Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste. it 
> at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on Friday :)
>
> -- 
> Dapeng Liu
>
> åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ5æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸå››ï¼Œ15:45ï¼ŒHidetoshi Yokota å†™é“ï¼š
>> Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,
>>
>> I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is 
>> 3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to attend...
>>
>> BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1 
>> meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, but 
>> we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> Hidetoshi Yokota
>>
>> KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
>> e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp  <mailto:e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp>
>>
>> (2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:
>>> Hi Alper,
>>>
>>> The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for others.
>>>
>>> The problem here is that we are from different continents and there 
>>> is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift timezones for 
>>> the next meeting. Is that OK for you?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>
>>> åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ5æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸå››ï¼Œ0:29ï¼ŒAlper Yegin å†™é“ï¼š
>>>
>>>> That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not 
>>>> show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else.
>>>>
>>>> (10am PDT is  8pm on Friday evening which is officially part of the 
>>>> weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. For China/Japan/Korea, it's 
>>>> like 1/2am Saturday morningâ€¦ I wish we had more human-friendly 
>>>> options. Anyhow, if going ahead with this time slot, please make 
>>>> sure to share the meeting minutes afterwards.)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Alper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Friday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most votes.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will send out Webex link later.
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Dapeng Liu&Jouni
>>>>>
>>>>> åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ3æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸäºŒï¼Œ12:01ï¼ŒDapeng Liu å†™é“ï¼š
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I modified the settings. Please try again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ2æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸä¸€ï¼Œ17:23ï¼ŒCarlos JesÃºs Bernardos Cano å†™é“ï¼š
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Same here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian@cs.utwente.nl 
>>>>>>> <mailto:karagian@cs.utwente.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Danny, Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Georgios
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Van: dmm [dmm-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org>] 
>>>>>>>> namens Moses, Danny
>>>>>>>> [danny.moses@intel.com <mailto:danny.moses@intel.com>]
>>>>>>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
>>>>>>>> Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
>>>>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi. For some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle I 
>>>>>>>> receive an
>>>>>>>> indication that I have already voted even though I did not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am I the only one?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /Danny
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dapeng Liu
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 07:40
>>>>>>>> To: dmm
>>>>>>>> Subject: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please select 
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> prefer time in doodle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doodle:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation&tlink=pollbtn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Hi Dapeng, Carlos and all,

The original plan is ok. I would appreciate it if someone sends the 
minute afterwards.

Regards,

-- 
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KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp


(2014/06/05 17:46), Carlos JesÃºs Bernardos Cano wrote:
> Hi Dapeng,
>
> While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change now an
> agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, and now
> I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really cancel or
> move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for next
> week (not for tomorrow!!).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlos
>
> On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:
>> Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all,
>>
>>
>> It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot.
>>
>>
>> How about PST 8:00 AM Friday? It would be:
>> ---------------------------------------
>> San Francisco: 8:00 AM
>> Paris:   17:00 PM
>> Stockholm: 17:00 PM
>> Istanbul: 18:00 PM
>> Beijing: 23:00 PM
>> Tokyo: 24:00 PM
>>
>>
>> Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:
>> ----------------------------------------
>> San Francisco:  7:00 AM
>> Paris:   16:00 PM
>> Stockholm: 16:00 PM
>> Istanbul:  17:00 PM
>> Beijing:  22:00 PM
>> Tokyo:  23:00 PM
>>
>>
>> Lets vote again between those two options:
>> http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k
>>
>>
>> Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste. it
>> at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on Friday :)
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Dapeng Liu
>>
>>
>> åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ5æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸå››ï¼Œ15:45ï¼ŒHidetoshi Yokota å†™é“ï¼š
>>> Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,
>>>
>>> I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is
>>> 3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to
>>> attend...
>>>
>>> BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1
>>> meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, but
>>> we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --
>>> Hidetoshi Yokota
>>>
>>> KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
>>> e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp
>>>
>>> (2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Alper,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for
>>>> others.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The problem here is that we are from different continents and
>>>> there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift
>>>> timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ5æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸå››ï¼Œ0:29ï¼ŒAlper Yegin å†™é“ï¼š
>>>>
>>>>> That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not
>>>>> show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (10am PDT is  8pm on Friday evening which is officially part of
>>>>> the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. For
>>>>> China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morningâ€¦ I wish we
>>>>> had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with
>>>>> this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes
>>>>> afterwards.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Friday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most
>>>>>> votes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will send out Webex link later.
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Dapeng Liu&Jouni
>>>>>> åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ3æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸäºŒï¼Œ12:01ï¼ŒDapeng Liu å†™é“ï¼š
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I modified the settings. Please try again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> åœ¨ 2014å¹´6æœˆ2æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸä¸€ï¼Œ17:23ï¼ŒCarlos JesÃºs Bernardos Cano
>>>>>>> å†™é“ï¼š
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Same here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian@cs.utwente.nl
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Danny, Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Georgios
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Van: dmm [dmm-bounces@ietf.org] namens Moses, Danny
>>>>>>>>> [danny.moses@intel.com]
>>>>>>>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
>>>>>>>>> Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
>>>>>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi. For some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle
>>>>>>>>> I receive an
>>>>>>>>> indication that I have already voted even though I did
>>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am I the only one?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> /Danny
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 07:40
>>>>>>>>> To: dmm
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please
>>>>>>>>> select your
>>>>>>>>> prefer time in doodle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doodle:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation&tlink=pollbtn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.

On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wrote:

> Hi Dapeng,
>=20
> While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change now an
> agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, and =
now
> I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really cancel =
or
> move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for next
> week (not for tomorrow!!).
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Carlos
>=20
> On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:
>> Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all,=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot.=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> How about PST 8:00 AM Friday? It would be:
>> ---------------------------------------
>> San Francisco: 8:00 AM
>> Paris:   17:00 PM
>> Stockholm: 17:00 PM
>> Istanbul: 18:00 PM
>> Beijing: 23:00 PM
>> Tokyo: 24:00 PM
>>=20
>>=20
>> Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:
>> ----------------------------------------
>> San Francisco:  7:00 AM
>> Paris:   16:00 PM
>> Stockholm: 16:00 PM
>> Istanbul:  17:00 PM
>> Beijing:  22:00 PM
>> Tokyo:  23:00 PM
>>=20
>>=20
>> Lets vote again between those two options:
>> http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste. it
>> at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on Friday :)
>>=20
>>=20
>> --=20
>> Dapeng Liu
>>=20
>>=20
>> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =
=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
>>> Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,
>>>=20
>>> I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is
>>> 3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to
>>> attend...=20
>>>=20
>>> BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1
>>> meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, but
>>> we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.
>>>=20
>>> Regards,
>>> -- =20
>>> Hidetoshi Yokota
>>>=20
>>> KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
>>> e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp
>>>=20
>>> (2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Hi Alper,=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for
>>>> others.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> The problem here is that we are from different continents and
>>>> there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift
>>>> timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you?
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> --=20
>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=
=93=EF=BC=9A
>>>>=20
>>>>> That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not
>>>>> show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else.=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> (10am PDT is  8pm on Friday evening which is officially part of
>>>>> the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. For
>>>>> China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I =
wish we
>>>>> had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with
>>>>> this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes
>>>>> afterwards.)
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Alper
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hello All,=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Friday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most
>>>>>> votes.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> We will send out Webex link later.=20
>>>>>> --=20
>>>>>> Dapeng Liu&Jouni
>>>>>> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=
=93=EF=BC=9A
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Hello all,=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I modified the settings. Please try again.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> --=20
>>>>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs =
Bernardos Cano
>>>>>>> =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Same here.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian@cs.utwente.nl
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Danny, Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote!
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Georgios
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> =
______________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Van: dmm [dmm-bounces@ietf.org] namens Moses, Danny
>>>>>>>>> [danny.moses@intel.com]
>>>>>>>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
>>>>>>>>> Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
>>>>>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Hi. For some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle
>>>>>>>>> I receive an
>>>>>>>>> indication that I have already voted even though I did
>>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Am I the only one?
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> /Danny
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 07:40
>>>>>>>>> To: dmm
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please
>>>>>>>>> select your
>>>>>>>>> prefer time in doodle.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Doodle:
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> =
https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private?tmail=3Dpoll_invitecon=
tact_participant_invitation&tlink=3Dpollbtn
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> --=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> =
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OK, then we do not change the time for this week. =46or next week=E2=80=99=
s call we use the new time slot.

-- =20
Dapeng Liu


=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=
=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A

> redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.
> =20
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wrote:
> =20
> > Hi Dapeng,
> > =20
> > While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change now an=

> > agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, and n=
ow
> > I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really cancel=
 or
> > move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for next
> > week (not for tomorrow=21=21).
> > =20
> > Thanks,
> > =20
> > Carlos
> > =20
> > On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > > Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > How about PST 8:00 AM =46riday=3F It would be:
> > > ---------------------------------------
> > > San =46rancisco: 8:00 AM
> > > Paris: 17:00 PM
> > > Stockholm: 17:00 PM
> > > Istanbul: 18:00 PM
> > > Beijing: 23:00 PM
> > > Tokyo: 24:00 PM
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:
> > > ----------------------------------------
> > > San =46rancisco: 7:00 AM
> > > Paris: 16:00 PM
> > > Stockholm: 16:00 PM
> > > Istanbul: 17:00 PM
> > > Beijing: 22:00 PM
> > > Tokyo: 23:00 PM
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > Lets vote again between those two options:
> > > http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste. =
it
> > > at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on =46riday :)
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > -- =20
> > > Dapeng Liu
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=
=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > > Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,
> > > > =20
> > > > I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is
> > > > 3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to
> > > > attend... =20
> > > > =20
> > > > BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1
> > > > meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, b=
ut
> > > > we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.
> > > > =20
> > > > Regards,
> > > > -- =20
> > > > Hidetoshi Yokota
> > > > =20
> > > > KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
> > > > e-mail:yokota=40kddilabs.jp (mailto:yokota=40kddilabs.jp)
> > > > =20
> > > > (2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > > > =20
> > > > > Hi Alper, =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for
> > > > > others.
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > The problem here is that we are from different continents and
> > > > > there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift
> > > > > timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you=3F
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > -- =20
> > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=
=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > > > =20
> > > > > > That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does n=
ot
> > > > > > show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else=
. =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > (10am PDT is 8pm on =46riday evening which is officially part=
 of
> > > > > > the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or
> > > > > > China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 =
I wish we
> > > > > > had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with
> > > > > > this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes=

> > > > > > afterwards.)
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Alper
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Hello All, =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the mo=
st
> > > > > > > votes.
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > We will send out Webex link later. =20
> > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > Dapeng Liu&Jouni
> > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=
=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A=

> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > Hello all, =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > I modified the settings. Please try again.
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=
=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano
> > > > > > > > =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > Same here.
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > Carlos
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian=40cs.utwent=
e.nl (mailto:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl)
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Danny, Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vo=
te=21
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Georgios
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
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> > > > > > > > > > Van: dmm =5Bdmm-bounces=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm-bounce=
s=40ietf.org)=5D namens Moses, Danny
> > > > > > > > > > =5Bdanny.moses=40intel.com (mailto:danny.moses=40inte=
l.com)=5D
> > > > > > > > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
> > > > > > > > > > Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
> > > > > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When entering Do=
odle
> > > > > > > > > > I receive an
> > > > > > > > > > indication that I have already voted even though I di=
d
> > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Am I the only one=3F
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > /Danny
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =46rom: dmm =5Bmailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On Be=
half Of
> > > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40
> > > > > > > > > > To: dmm
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Ple=
ase
> > > > > > > > > > select your
> > > > > > > > > > prefer time in doodle.
> > > > > > > > > > =20
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> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Doodle:
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3F=
tmail=3Dpoll=5Finvitecontact=5Fparticipant=5Finvitation&tlink=3Dpollbtn
> > > > > > > > > > =20
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> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > =20
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> > > > > > > > > > =20
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> > > > > > > > > > Dapeng&Jouni
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                <div>
                    OK, then we do not change the time for this week. =46=
or next week=E2=80=99s call we use the new time slot.</div>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</d=
iv><div><br></div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B4=
6=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAl=
per Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>
                <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22border-left-styl=
e:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;=22>
                    <span><div><div><div>redoing the poll for next week i=
s a better idea, IMHO.</div><div><br></div><div>On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 =
AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquo=
te type=3D=22cite=22><div><div>Hi Dapeng,</div><div><br></div><div>While =
I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change now an</div><div=
>agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, and now<=
/div><div>I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really =
cancel or</div><div>move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose=
 slots for next</div><div>week (not for tomorrow=21=21).</div><div><br></=
div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos</div><div><br></div><div=
>On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div><blockquote ty=
pe=3D=22cite=22><div><div>Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, </div><div><br></=
div><div><br></div><div>It seems many people is not convenient for the ti=
me slot. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>How about PST 8:00 AM =46=
riday=3F It would be:</div><div>---------------------------------------</=
div><div>San =46rancisco: 8:00 AM</div><div>Paris:   17:00 PM</div><div>S=
tockholm: 17:00 PM</div><div>Istanbul: 18:00 PM</div><div>Beijing: 23:00 =
PM</div><div>Tokyo: 24:00 PM</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Anot=
her choice is to move 1 hour earlier:</div><div>-------------------------=
---------------</div><div>San =46rancisco:  7:00 AM</div><div>Paris:   16=
:00 PM</div><div>Stockholm: 16:00 PM</div><div>Istanbul:  17:00 PM</div><=
div>Beijing:  22:00 PM</div><div>Tokyo:  23:00 PM</div><div><br></div><di=
v><br></div><div>Lets vote again between those two options:</div><div><a =
href=3D=22http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k=22>http://doodle.com/it56enb=
76n7qgz9k</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Sorry for the incon=
venient but the previous vote is not all waste. it</div><div>at least sho=
ws people prefer to have the meeting on =46riday :)</div><div><br></div><=
div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Dapeng Liu</div><div><br></div><div><br>=
</div><div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=
=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=
=9A</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div><div>Hi Dapeng, Alper and all=
,</div><div><br></div><div>I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is =
most voted for is</div><div>3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little b=
it hard for me to</div><div>attend... </div><div><br></div><div>BTW, C-SI=
PTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1</div><div>meeting. I=
 don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, but</div><div>we ma=
y better a little bit speed up our discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>R=
egards,</div><div>--  </div><div>Hidetoshi Yokota</div><div><br></div><di=
v>KDDI R&amp;D Laboratories, Inc.</div><div>e-mail:<a href=3D=22mailto:yo=
kota=40kddilabs.jp=22>yokota=40kddilabs.jp</a></div><div><br></div><div>(=
2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type=
=3D=22cite=22><div><div>Hi Alper, </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><di=
v>The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for</div><di=
v>others.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The problem here is tha=
t we are from different continents and</div><div>there is no human-friend=
ly time for every one. We can shift</div><div>timezones for the next meet=
ing. Is that OK for you=3F</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </d=
iv><div>Dapeng Liu</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=
=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=
=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div><div><br></div><blockq=
uote type=3D=22cite=22><div><div>That's odd. I had entered my votes in th=
e poll, but it does not</div><div>show. I wonder if it's only me, or it h=
appened to anyone else. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>(10am PD=
T is  8pm on =46riday evening which is officially part of</div><div>the w=
eekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or</div><div>China/Japan/Korea, =
it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I wish we</div><div>had more hu=
man-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with</div><div>this time slo=
t, please make sure to share the meeting minutes</div><div>afterwards.)</=
div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div><=
br></div><div>Alper</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><di=
v>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div><div><br></div><blo=
ckquote type=3D=22cite=22><div><div>Hello All, </div><div><br></div><div>=
<br></div><div>=46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the m=
ost</div><div>votes.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>We will send=
 out Webex link later. </div><div>-- </div><div>Dapeng Liu&amp;Jouni</div=
><div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=
=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div><di=
v><br></div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div><div>Hello all, </div><div=
><br></div><div><br></div><div>I modified the settings. Please try again.=
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/q=
7zeebs9nqnbif95=22>http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95</a></div><div><br><=
/div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Dape=
ng Liu</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=
=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos=
 Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano</div><div>=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div><di=
v><br></div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div><div>Same here.</div><div>=
<br></div><div><br></div><div>Carlos</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, <a href=3D=22mailto:karagian=40cs.=
utwente.nl=22>karagian=40cs.utwente.nl</a></div><div>wrote:</div><blockqu=
ote type=3D=22cite=22><div><div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</div><div><br></div><di=
v><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I am g=
etting the same indication and I cannot vote=21</div><div><br></div><div>=
<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br>=
</div><div><br></div><div>Georgios</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><di=
v><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
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=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F</div><=
div>Van: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>dmm-bounces=
=40ietf.org</a>=5D namens Moses, Danny</div><div>=5B<a href=3D=22mailto:d=
anny.moses=40intel.com=22>danny.moses=40intel.com</a>=5D</div><div>Verzon=
den: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41</div><div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</div><div>O=
nderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference</div><div><br></div><div><br></div=
><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Hi. =46=
or some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle</div><div>I receive an=
</div><div>indication that I have already voted even though I did</div><d=
iv>not.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>=
<div><br></div><div>Am I the only one=3F</div><div><br></div><div><br></d=
iv><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><b=
r></div><div><br></div><div>/Danny</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><di=
v><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=46rom: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22=
mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org</a>=5D On =
Behalf Of</div><div>Dapeng Liu</div><div>Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:=
40</div><div>To: dmm</div><div>Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference</div><di=
v><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></d=
iv><div><br></div><div>The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. =
Please</div><div>select your</div><div>prefer time in doodle.</div><div><=
br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div=
>Doodle:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D=22https://doo=
dle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ftmail=3Dpoll=5Finvitecontact=5F=
participant=5Finvitation&amp;tlink=3Dpollbtn=22>https://doodle.com/d7fsc2=
gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ftmail=3Dpoll=5Finvitecontact=5Fparticipant=5F=
invitation&amp;tlink=3Dpollbtn</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><di=
v><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></=
div><div>-- </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><=
/div><div>Dapeng&amp;Jouni</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></=
div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>=
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<div>I'm OK to move this Friday@7AM.&nbsp;</div>
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<div>Friday@10AM PDT is not good for folks in Asia pac region. Most folks c=
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Dapeng Liu &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, June 5, 2014 7:42 A=
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Alper Yegin &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
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<div>OK, then we do not change the time for this week. For next week=A1=AFs=
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<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
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<div>redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.</div>
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<div>On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=A8=B2s Bernardos Cano wrote:</=
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<div>Hi Dapeng,</div>
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<div>agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, and no=
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<div>I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really cancel =
or</div>
<div>move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for next</=
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<div>week (not for tomorrow!!).</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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<div>Carlos</div>
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<div>On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 &#43;0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
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<div>Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, </div>
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<div>It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. </div>
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<div>How about PST 8:00 AM Friday? It would be:</div>
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<div>San Francisco: 8:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 18:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 23:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 24:00 PM</div>
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<div>Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:</div>
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<div>San Francisco: 7:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 22:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 23:00 PM</div>
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</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lets vote again between those two options:</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k">http://doodle.com/it56e=
nb76n7qgz9k</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste. it<=
/div>
<div>at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on Friday :)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=D4=DA 2014=C4=EA6=D4=C25=C8=D5 =D0=C7=C6=DA=CB=C4=A3=AC15:45=A3=ACHid=
etoshi Yokota =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is</div>
<div>3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to</div>
<div>attend... </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1</div>
<div>meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, but</d=
iv>
<div>we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Hidetoshi Yokota</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>KDDI R&amp;D Laboratories, Inc.</div>
<div>e-mail:<a href=3D"mailto:yokota@kddilabs.jp">yokota@kddilabs.jp</a></d=
iv>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>Hi Alper, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for</div>
<div>others.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The problem here is that we are from different continents and</div>
<div>there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift</div>
<div>timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=D4=DA 2014=C4=EA6=D4=C25=C8=D5 =D0=C7=C6=DA=CB=C4=A3=AC0:29=A3=ACAlpe=
r Yegin =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not</div>
<div>show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(10am PDT is 8pm on Friday evening which is officially part of</div>
<div>the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. For</div>
<div>China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=A1=AD I wish we</d=
iv>
<div>had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with</div>
<div>this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes</div>
<div>afterwards.)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alper</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>Hello All, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Friday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most</div>
<div>votes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We will send out Webex link later. </div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu&amp;Jouni</div>
<div>=D4=DA 2014=C4=EA6=D4=C23=C8=D5 =D0=C7=C6=DA=B6=FE=A3=AC12:01=A3=ACDap=
eng Liu =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>Hello all, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I modified the settings. Please try again.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95">http://doodle.com/q7zee=
bs9nqnbif95</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=D4=DA 2014=C4=EA6=D4=C22=C8=D5 =D0=C7=C6=DA=D2=BB=A3=AC17:23=A3=ACCar=
los Jes=A8=B2s Bernardos Cano</div>
<div>=D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>Same here.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 &#43;0000, <a href=3D"mailto:karagian@cs.u=
twente.nl">karagian@cs.utwente.nl</a></div>
<div>wrote:</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Georgios</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>______________________________________________________________________=
</div>
<div>Van: dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">dmm-bounces@ietf.org=
</a>] namens Moses, Danny</div>
<div>[<a href=3D"mailto:danny.moses@intel.com">danny.moses@intel.com</a>]</=
div>
<div>Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41</div>
<div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</div>
<div>Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] Teleconference</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hi. For some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle</div>
<div>I receive an</div>
<div>indication that I have already voted even though I did</div>
<div>not.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Am I the only one?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>/Danny</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
</div>
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<div>From: dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:dmm-bounces@=
ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of</div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 07:40</div>
<div>To: dmm</div>
<div>Subject: [DMM] Teleconference</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hello,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please</div>
<div>select your</div>
<div>prefer time in doodle.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Doodle:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div><br>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>-- </div>
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Hi Sri, =20

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=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=
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> I'm OK to move this =46riday=407AM. =20
> =20
> =20

Thanks. =20
But since some members already reserve time for this =46riday=4010AM PDT =
(that is the time slot gets most votes on doodle), we will not change tha=
t for this week=E2=80=99s call.
> =20
> =46riday=4010AM PDT is not good for folks in Asia pac region. Most folk=
s cannot make it and so what is the point. =20
> =20
> We can generally fix on 7AM Pacific, or 11PM Pacific. IMO, these are th=
e two possible slots that can works for folks in multiple regions.
Agree. =46or next call, we can do that.

Is this ok for you=3F

Thanks,
-Dapeng =20
> =20
> Sri =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =46rom: Dapeng Liu <maxpassion=40gmail.com (mailto:maxpassion=40gmail.c=
om)>
> Date: Thursday, June 5, 2014 7:42 AM
> To: Alper Yegin <alper.yegin=40yegin.org (mailto:alper.yegin=40yegin.or=
g)>
> Cc: =22dmm=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm=40ietf.org)=22 <dmm=40ietf.org (mailt=
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> Subject: =5BDMM=5D =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=
=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconferenc=
e
> =20
> OK, then we do not change the time for this week. =46or next week=E2=80=
=99s call we use the new time slot. =20
> =20
> --  =20
> Dapeng Liu
> =20
> =20
> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=
=EF=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> =20
> > redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.
> > =20
> > On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wrote: =
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> > =20
> > > Hi Dapeng, =20
> > > =20
> > > While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change now =
an =20
> > > agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, and=
 now
> > > I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really canc=
el or
> > > move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for nex=
t
> > > week (not for tomorrow=21=21).
> > > =20
> > > Thanks, =20
> > > =20
> > > Carlos =20
> > > =20
> > > On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > > > Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > How about PST 8:00 AM =46riday=3F It would be: =20
> > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > San =46rancisco: 8:00 AM
> > > > Paris: 17:00 PM
> > > > Stockholm: 17:00 PM
> > > > Istanbul: 18:00 PM
> > > > Beijing: 23:00 PM
> > > > Tokyo: 24:00 PM
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier: =20
> > > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > San =46rancisco: 7:00 AM
> > > > Paris: 16:00 PM
> > > > Stockholm: 16:00 PM
> > > > Istanbul: 17:00 PM
> > > > Beijing: 22:00 PM
> > > > Tokyo: 23:00 PM
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > Lets vote again between those two options: =20
> > > > http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste=
. it =20
> > > > at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on =46riday :)
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > -- =20
> > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=
=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A=

> > > > > Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,
> > > > > =20
> > > > > I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is=
 =20
> > > > > 3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to
> > > > > attend... =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1 =20
> > > > > meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start,=
 but
> > > > > we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Regards, =20
> > > > > -- =20
> > > > > Hidetoshi Yokota
> > > > > =20
> > > > > KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc. =20
> > > > > e-mail:yokota=40kddilabs.jp (mailto:yokota=40kddilabs.jp)
> > > > > =20
> > > > > (2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote: =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > > Hi Alper, =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine fo=
r =20
> > > > > > others.
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > The problem here is that we are from different continents and=
 =20
> > > > > > there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift
> > > > > > timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you=3F
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=
=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does=
 not =20
> > > > > > > show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone el=
se. =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > (10am PDT is 8pm on =46riday evening which is officially pa=
rt of =20
> > > > > > > the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or
> > > > > > > China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6=
 I wish we
> > > > > > > had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead wit=
h
> > > > > > > this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minut=
es
> > > > > > > afterwards.)
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Cheers, =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Alper =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote: =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > Hello All, =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the =
most =20
> > > > > > > > votes.
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > We will send out Webex link later. =20
> > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu&Jouni
> > > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=
=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A=

> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > Hello all, =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > I modified the settings. Please try again. =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95 =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=
=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =20
> > > > > > > > > =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Same here. =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Carlos =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian=40cs.utwe=
nte.nl (mailto:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl) =20
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Danny, Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot =
vote=21 =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Georgios =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Van: dmm =5Bdmm-bounces=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm-boun=
ces=40ietf.org)=5D namens Moses, Danny
> > > > > > > > > > > =5Bdanny.moses=40intel.com (mailto:danny.moses=40in=
tel.com)=5D
> > > > > > > > > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
> > > > > > > > > > > Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
> > > > > > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When entering =
Doodle =20
> > > > > > > > > > > I receive an
> > > > > > > > > > > indication that I have already voted even though I =
did
> > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Am I the only one=3F =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > /Danny =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =46rom: dmm =5Bmailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=5D On =
Behalf Of =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40
> > > > > > > > > > > To: dmm
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello, =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. P=
lease =20
> > > > > > > > > > > select your
> > > > > > > > > > > prefer time in doodle.
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Doodle: =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=
=3Ftmail=3Dpoll=5Finvitecontact=5Fparticipant=5Finvitation&tlink=3Dpollbt=
n =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Dapeng&Jouni =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------=
------------------ =20
> > > > > > > > > > > A member of the Intel Corporation group of companie=
s
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confide=
ntial =20
> > > > > > > > > > > material for
> > > > > > > > > > > the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any revi=
ew or
> > > > > > > > > > > distribution
> > > > > > > > > > > by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not th=
e
> > > > > > > > > > > intended
> > > > > > > > > > > recipient, please contact the sender and delete all=

> > > > > > > > > > > copies.
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
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=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =20
> > > > > > > > > > > dmm mailing list
> > > > > > > > > > > dmm=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm=40ietf.org)
> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
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=5F=5F=5F =20
> > > > > > > > dmm mailing list
> > > > > > > > dmm=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm=40ietf.org)
> > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
> > > > > > > > =20
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=5F =20
> > > > > > dmm mailing list
> > > > > > dmm=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm=40ietf.org)
> > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
> > > > > > =20
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=5F =20
> > > > > dmm mailing list
> > > > > dmm=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm=40ietf.org)
> > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
> > > > > =20
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> > > > =20
> > > > =20
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> > > > dmm mailing list
> > > > dmm=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm=40ietf.org)
> > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
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                <div>
                    Hi Sri,
                </div><div><br></div><div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div><span s=
tyle=3D=22color: rgb(160, 160, 168);=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=88=
5=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C22:46=EF=BC=8CSri Gundavel=
li (sgundave) =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</span></div></div>
                <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22border-left-styl=
e:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;=22>
                    <span><div><div>

<meta http-equiv=3D=22Content-Type=22 content=3D=22text/html; charset=3Dg=
b2312=22>


<div>I'm OK to move this =46riday=407AM.&nbsp;</div></div></div></span></=
blockquote><div>Thanks.&nbsp;</div><div>But since some members already re=
serve time for this =46riday=4010AM PDT (that is the time slot gets most =
votes on doodle), we will not change that for this week=E2=80=99s call.</=
div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22border-left-style:solid;bord=
er-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;=22><span><div><div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=46riday=4010AM PDT is not good for folks in Asia pac region. Most f=
olks cannot make it and so what is the point.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We can generally fix on 7AM Pacific, or 11PM Pacific. IMO, these are=
 the two possible slots that can works for folks in multiple regions.</di=
v></div></div></span></blockquote><div>Agree. =46or next call, we can do =
that.</div><div><br></div><div>Is this ok for you=3F</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Thanks,</div><div>-Dapeng&nbsp;</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 s=
tyle=3D=22border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;paddin=
g-left:10px;=22><span><div><div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sri</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span>
<div style=3D=22font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; col=
or:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LE=46T: medium none; PADDING=
-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LE=46T: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: =23b5c=
4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt=22>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>=46rom: </span>Dapeng Liu &lt;<a hre=
f=3D=22mailto:maxpassion=40gmail.com=22>maxpassion=40gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Date: </span>Thursday, June 5, 2014 =
7:42 AM<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>To: </span>Alper Yegin &lt;<a href=3D=
=22mailto:alper.yegin=40yegin.org=22>alper.yegin=40yegin.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Cc: </span>=22<a href=3D=22mailto:dm=
m=40ietf.org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>=22 &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm=40ietf.=
org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Subject: </span>=5BDMM=5D =E5=9B=9E=E5=
=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=
=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconference<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>OK, then we do not change the time for this week. =46or next week=E2=
=80=99s call we use the new time slot.</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>--&nbsp;</div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=
=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=
=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div>redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wrote:=
</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Dapeng,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change now a=
n</div>
<div>agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, and =
now</div>
<div>I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really cance=
l or</div>
<div>move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for next=
</div>
<div>week (not for tomorrow=21=21).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div><blockquot=
e type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How about PST 8:00 AM =46riday=3F It would be:</div>
<div>---------------------------------------</div>
<div>San =46rancisco: 8:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 18:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 23:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 24:00 PM</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:</div>
<div>----------------------------------------</div>
<div>San =46rancisco: 7:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 22:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 23:00 PM</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lets vote again between those two options:</div>
<div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k=22>http://doodle.com=
/it56enb76n7qgz9k</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste. i=
t</div>
<div>at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on =46riday :)</div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=
=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</d=
iv><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is</div=
>
<div>3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to</div>=

<div>attend... </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1</div>
<div>meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, but<=
/div>
<div>we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Hidetoshi Yokota</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>KDDI R&amp;D Laboratories, Inc.</div>
<div>e-mail:<a href=3D=22mailto:yokota=40kddilabs.jp=22>yokota=40kddilabs=
.jp</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Alper, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for</div>=

<div>others.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The problem here is that we are from different continents and</div>
<div>there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift</div>
<div>timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you=3F</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=
=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not</div=
>
<div>show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else. </div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(10am PDT is 8pm on =46riday evening which is officially part of</di=
v>
<div>the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or</div>
<div>China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I wish =
we</div>
<div>had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with</div>
<div>this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes</div>
<div>afterwards.)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alper</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hello All, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most</div>
<div>votes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We will send out Webex link later. </div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu&amp;Jouni</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=
=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hello all, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I modified the settings. Please try again.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95=22>http://doodle.com=
/q7zeebs9nqnbif95</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=
=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano</div>
<div>=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Same here.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, <a href=3D=22mailto:karagian=40cs=
.utwente.nl=22>karagian=40cs.utwente.nl</a></div>
<div>wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote=21</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Georgios</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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</div>
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=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F</div>
<div>Van: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>dmm-bounce=
s=40ietf.org</a>=5D namens Moses, Danny</div>
<div>=5B<a href=3D=22mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com=22>danny.moses=40inte=
l.com</a>=5D</div>
<div>Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41</div>
<div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</div>
<div>Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle</div>
<div>I receive an</div>
<div>indication that I have already voted even though I did</div>
<div>not.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Am I the only one=3F</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>/Danny</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=46rom: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>mailto:=
dmm-bounces=40ietf.org</a>=5D On Behalf Of</div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div>Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40</div>
<div>To: dmm</div>
<div>Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hello,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please</div>
<div>select your</div>
<div>prefer time in doodle.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Doodle:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D=22https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ft=
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Dapeng&amp;Jouni</div>
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</div>
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Thanks Sri, we will send out webex link soon. =20

-- =20
Dapeng Liu


=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=
=BC=8C23:21=EF=BC=8CSri Gundavelli (sgundave) =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A=


> Dapeng =E2=80=93 Works for me. =20
> =20
> Regards =20
> Sri
> =20
> =46rom: Dapeng Liu <maxpassion=40gmail.com (mailto:maxpassion=40gmail.c=
om)>
> Date: Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:05 AM
> To: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave=40cisco.com (mailto:sgundave=40cisco.com)>=

> Cc: Alper Yegin <alper.yegin=40yegin.org (mailto:alper.yegin=40yegin.or=
g)>, =22dmm=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm=40ietf.org)=22 <dmm=40ietf.org (mailto=
:dmm=40ietf.org)>
> Subject: =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =5BDMM=5D =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=
=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=
=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconference
> =20
> Hi Sri, =20
> =20
> --  =20
> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=
=EF=BC=8C22:46=EF=BC=8CSri Gundavelli (sgundave) =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=
=9A
> =20
> > I'm OK to move this =46riday=407AM. =20
> > =20
> > =20
> > =20
> =20
> Thanks. =20
> But since some members already reserve time for this =46riday=4010AM PD=
T (that is the time slot gets most votes on doodle), we will not change t=
hat for this week=E2=80=99s call.
> > =20
> > =46riday=4010AM PDT is not good for folks in Asia pac region. Most fo=
lks cannot make it and so what is the point. =20
> > =20
> > We can generally fix on 7AM Pacific, or 11PM Pacific. IMO, these are =
the two possible slots that can works for folks in multiple regions. =20
> Agree. =46or next call, we can do that.
> =20
> Is this ok for you=3F =20
> =20
> Thanks, =20
> -Dapeng =20
> > =20
> > Sri =20
> > =20
> > =20
> > =20
> > =46rom: Dapeng Liu <maxpassion=40gmail.com (mailto:maxpassion=40gmail=
.com)>
> > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2014 7:42 AM
> > To: Alper Yegin <alper.yegin=40yegin.org (mailto:alper.yegin=40yegin.=
org)>
> > Cc: =22dmm=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm=40ietf.org)=22 <dmm=40ietf.org (mai=
lto:dmm=40ietf.org)>
> > Subject: =5BDMM=5D =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=
=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconferenc=
e
> > =20
> > OK, then we do not change the time for this week. =46or next week=E2=80=
=99s call we use the new time slot. =20
> > =20
> > --  =20
> > Dapeng Liu
> > =20
> > =20
> > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=
=EF=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > =20
> > > redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.
> > > =20
> > > On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wrote=
: =20
> > > =20
> > > > Hi Dapeng, =20
> > > > =20
> > > > While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change no=
w an =20
> > > > agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, a=
nd now
> > > > I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really ca=
ncel or
> > > > move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for n=
ext
> > > > week (not for tomorrow=21=21).
> > > > =20
> > > > Thanks, =20
> > > > =20
> > > > Carlos =20
> > > > =20
> > > > On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > > > > Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > How about PST 8:00 AM =46riday=3F It would be: =20
> > > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > > San =46rancisco: 8:00 AM
> > > > > Paris: 17:00 PM
> > > > > Stockholm: 17:00 PM
> > > > > Istanbul: 18:00 PM
> > > > > Beijing: 23:00 PM
> > > > > Tokyo: 24:00 PM
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier: =20
> > > > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > > San =46rancisco: 7:00 AM
> > > > > Paris: 16:00 PM
> > > > > Stockholm: 16:00 PM
> > > > > Istanbul: 17:00 PM
> > > > > Beijing: 22:00 PM
> > > > > Tokyo: 23:00 PM
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Lets vote again between those two options: =20
> > > > > http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all was=
te. it =20
> > > > > at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on =46riday :)=

> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > -- =20
> > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=
=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A=

> > > > > > Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for =
is =20
> > > > > > 3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me t=
o
> > > > > > attend... =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1=
 =20
> > > > > > meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will star=
t, but
> > > > > > we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Regards, =20
> > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > Hidetoshi Yokota
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc. =20
> > > > > > e-mail:yokota=40kddilabs.jp (mailto:yokota=40kddilabs.jp)
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > (2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote: =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Hi Alper, =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine =
for =20
> > > > > > > others.
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > The problem here is that we are from different continents a=
nd =20
> > > > > > > there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift=

> > > > > > > timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you=3F
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=
=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A=
 =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it do=
es not =20
> > > > > > > > show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone =
else. =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > (10am PDT is 8pm on =46riday evening which is officially =
part of =20
> > > > > > > > the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or
> > > > > > > > China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=
=A6 I wish we
> > > > > > > > had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead w=
ith
> > > > > > > > this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting min=
utes
> > > > > > > > afterwards.)
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > Cheers, =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > Alper =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote: =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > Hello All, =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets th=
e most =20
> > > > > > > > > votes.
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > We will send out Webex link later. =20
> > > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu&Jouni
> > > > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=
=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=
=9A
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Hello all, =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > I modified the settings. Please try again. =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95 =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=
=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano=
 =20
> > > > > > > > > > =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Same here. =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Carlos =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian=40cs.ut=
wente.nl (mailto:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl) =20
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Danny, Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I am getting the same indication and I canno=
t vote=21 =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > Georgios =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
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                <div>
                    Thanks Sri, we will send out webex link soon.
                </div>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</d=
iv><div><br></div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B4=
6=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C23:21=EF=BC=8CSr=
i Gundavelli (sgundave) =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>
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e:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;=22>
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<div>Dapeng =E2=80=93 Works for me.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Sri</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span>
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or:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LE=46T: medium none; PADDING=
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4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt=22>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>=46rom: </span>Dapeng Liu &lt;<a hre=
f=3D=22mailto:maxpassion=40gmail.com=22>maxpassion=40gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Date: </span>Thursday, June 5, 2014 =
8:05 AM<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>To: </span>Sri Gundavelli &lt;<a hre=
f=3D=22mailto:sgundave=40cisco.com=22>sgundave=40cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Cc: </span>Alper Yegin &lt;<a href=3D=
=22mailto:alper.yegin=40yegin.org=22>alper.yegin=40yegin.org</a>&gt;, =22=
<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm=40ietf.org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>=22 &lt;<a href=3D=
=22mailto:dmm=40ietf.org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Subject: </span>=E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=
=BC=9A =5BDMM=5D =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =
=E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconference<br=
>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi Sri, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>--&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style=3D=22color: rgb(160, 160, 168);=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B4=
6=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C22:46=EF=BC=8CSr=
i Gundavelli (sgundave) =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</span></div>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div>I'm OK to move this =46riday=407AM.&nbsp;</div>
</div>
</div>
</span></div></blockquote><div>Thanks.&nbsp;</div>
<div>But since some members already reserve time for this =46riday=4010AM=
 PDT (that is the time slot gets most votes on doodle), we will not chang=
e that for this week=E2=80=99s call.</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><=
div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=46riday=4010AM PDT is not good for folks in Asia pac region. Most f=
olks cannot make it and so what is the point.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We can generally fix on 7AM Pacific, or 11PM Pacific. IMO, these are=
 the two possible slots that can works for folks in multiple regions.</di=
v>
</div>
</div>
</span></div></blockquote><div>Agree. =46or next call, we can do that.</d=
iv>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is this ok for you=3F</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>-Dapeng&nbsp;</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sri</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span>
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4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt=22>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>=46rom: </span>Dapeng Liu &lt;<a hre=
f=3D=22mailto:maxpassion=40gmail.com=22>maxpassion=40gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Date: </span>Thursday, June 5, 2014 =
7:42 AM<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>To: </span>Alper Yegin &lt;<a href=3D=
=22mailto:alper.yegin=40yegin.org=22>alper.yegin=40yegin.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Cc: </span>=22<a href=3D=22mailto:dm=
m=40ietf.org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>=22 &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm=40ietf.=
org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Subject: </span>=5BDMM=5D =E5=9B=9E=E5=
=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=
=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconference<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>OK, then we do not change the time for this week. =46or next week=E2=
=80=99s call we use the new time slot.</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>--&nbsp;</div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=
=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=
=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div><span>
<div>
<div>
<div>redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wrote:=
</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi Dapeng,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change now a=
n</div>
<div>agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, and =
now</div>
<div>I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really cance=
l or</div>
<div>move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for next=
</div>
<div>week (not for tomorrow=21=21).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div><blockquot=
e type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How about PST 8:00 AM =46riday=3F It would be:</div>
<div>---------------------------------------</div>
<div>San =46rancisco: 8:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 18:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 23:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 24:00 PM</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:</div>
<div>----------------------------------------</div>
<div>San =46rancisco: 7:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 22:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 23:00 PM</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lets vote again between those two options:</div>
<div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k=22>http://doodle.com=
/it56enb76n7qgz9k</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste. i=
t</div>
<div>at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on =46riday :)</div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=
=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</d=
iv><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is</div=
>
<div>3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to</div>=

<div>attend... </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1</div>
<div>meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, but<=
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<div>we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Hidetoshi Yokota</div>
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<div>KDDI R&amp;D Laboratories, Inc.</div>
<div>e-mail:<a href=3D=22mailto:yokota=40kddilabs.jp=22>yokota=40kddilabs=
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<div>(2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
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<div>
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<div>Hi Alper, </div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div>The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for</div>=

<div>others.</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>The problem here is that we are from different continents and</div>
<div>there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift</div>
<div>timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you=3F</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
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<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=
=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
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<div>
<div>That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not</div=
>
<div>show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else. </div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>(10am PDT is 8pm on =46riday evening which is officially part of</di=
v>
<div>the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or</div>
<div>China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I wish =
we</div>
<div>had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with</div>
<div>this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes</div>
<div>afterwards.)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Alper</div>
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<div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
<div><br>
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<div>
<div>
<div>Hello All, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>=46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most</div>
<div>votes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We will send out Webex link later. </div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu&amp;Jouni</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=
=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
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<div>
<div>Hello all, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I modified the settings. Please try again.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95=22>http://doodle.com=
/q7zeebs9nqnbif95</a></div>
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<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
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<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=
=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano</div>
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<div>Same here.</div>
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<div>Carlos</div>
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<div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, <a href=3D=22mailto:karagian=40cs=
.utwente.nl=22>karagian=40cs.utwente.nl</a></div>
<div>wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
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<div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote=21</div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
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<div>Georgios</div>
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<div>Van: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>dmm-bounce=
s=40ietf.org</a>=5D namens Moses, Danny</div>
<div>=5B<a href=3D=22mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com=22>danny.moses=40inte=
l.com</a>=5D</div>
<div>Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41</div>
<div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</div>
<div>Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference</div>
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<div>Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle</div>
<div>I receive an</div>
<div>indication that I have already voted even though I did</div>
<div>not.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Am I the only one=3F</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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<div>/Danny</div>
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<div>=46rom: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>mailto:=
dmm-bounces=40ietf.org</a>=5D On Behalf Of</div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div>Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40</div>
<div>To: dmm</div>
<div>Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Hello,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
</div>
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<div>The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please</div>
<div>select your</div>
<div>prefer time in doodle.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Requirements for Distributed Mobility Management
        Authors         : H Anthony Chan
                          Dapeng Liu
                          Pierrick Seite
                          Hidetoshi Yokota
                          Jouni Korhonen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-requirements-17.txt
	Pages           : 24
	Date            : 2014-06-05

Abstract:
   This document defines the requirements for Distributed Mobility
   Management (DMM) at the network layer.  The hierarchical structure in
   traditional wireless networks has led primarily to centrally deployed
   mobility anchors.  As some wireless networks are evolving away from
   the hierarchical structure, it can be useful to have a distributed
   model for mobility management in which traffic does not need to
   traverse centrally deployed mobility anchors far from the optimal
   route.  The motivation and the problems addressed by each requirement
   are also described.



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Hello all, =20

Here is the webex for today=E2=80=99s call.

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Meeting information
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Topic: DMM telco
Date: =46riday 6 June 2014
Time: 10:00, Pacific Daylight Time (San =46rancisco, GMT-07:00) Meeting N=
umber: 646 012 314 Meeting Password: dmm1234 =20

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-- =20
Dapeng Liu


=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=
=BC=8C23:46=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A

> Thanks Sri, we will send out webex link soon. =20
> =20
> -- =20
> Dapeng Liu
> =20
> =20
> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=
=EF=BC=8C23:21=EF=BC=8CSri Gundavelli (sgundave) =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=
=9A
> =20
> > Dapeng =E2=80=93 Works for me. =20
> > =20
> > Regards =20
> > Sri
> > =20
> > =46rom: Dapeng Liu <maxpassion=40gmail.com (mailto:maxpassion=40gmail=
.com)>
> > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:05 AM
> > To: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave=40cisco.com (mailto:sgundave=40cisco.com=
)>
> > Cc: Alper Yegin <alper.yegin=40yegin.org (mailto:alper.yegin=40yegin.=
org)>, =22dmm=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm=40ietf.org)=22 <dmm=40ietf.org (mail=
to:dmm=40ietf.org)>
> > Subject: =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =5BDMM=5D =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=
=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=
=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconference
> > =20
> > Hi Sri, =20
> > =20
> > --  =20
> > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=
=EF=BC=8C22:46=EF=BC=8CSri Gundavelli (sgundave) =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=
=9A
> > =20
> > > I'm OK to move this =46riday=407AM. =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > =20
> > Thanks. =20
> > But since some members already reserve time for this =46riday=4010AM =
PDT (that is the time slot gets most votes on doodle), we will not change=
 that for this week=E2=80=99s call.
> > > =20
> > > =46riday=4010AM PDT is not good for folks in Asia pac region. Most =
folks cannot make it and so what is the point. =20
> > > =20
> > > We can generally fix on 7AM Pacific, or 11PM Pacific. IMO, these ar=
e the two possible slots that can works for folks in multiple regions. =20
> > Agree. =46or next call, we can do that.
> > =20
> > Is this ok for you=3F =20
> > =20
> > Thanks, =20
> > -Dapeng =20
> > > =20
> > > Sri =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =46rom: Dapeng Liu <maxpassion=40gmail.com (mailto:maxpassion=40gma=
il.com)>
> > > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2014 7:42 AM
> > > To: Alper Yegin <alper.yegin=40yegin.org (mailto:alper.yegin=40yegi=
n.org)>
> > > Cc: =22dmm=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm=40ietf.org)=22 <dmm=40ietf.org (m=
ailto:dmm=40ietf.org)>
> > > Subject: =5BDMM=5D =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=
=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconfer=
ence
> > > =20
> > > OK, then we do not change the time for this week. =46or next week=E2=
=80=99s call we use the new time slot. =20
> > > =20
> > > --  =20
> > > Dapeng Liu
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=
=9B=EF=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > =20
> > > > redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.
> > > > =20
> > > > On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wro=
te: =20
> > > > =20
> > > > > Hi Dapeng, =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change =
now an =20
> > > > > agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others,=
 and now
> > > > > I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really =
cancel or
> > > > > move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for=
 next
> > > > > week (not for tomorrow=21=21).
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Thanks, =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Carlos =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > How about PST 8:00 AM =46riday=3F It would be: =20
> > > > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > > > San =46rancisco: 8:00 AM
> > > > > > Paris: 17:00 PM
> > > > > > Stockholm: 17:00 PM
> > > > > > Istanbul: 18:00 PM
> > > > > > Beijing: 23:00 PM
> > > > > > Tokyo: 24:00 PM
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier: =20
> > > > > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > > > San =46rancisco: 7:00 AM
> > > > > > Paris: 16:00 PM
> > > > > > Stockholm: 16:00 PM
> > > > > > Istanbul: 17:00 PM
> > > > > > Beijing: 22:00 PM
> > > > > > Tokyo: 23:00 PM
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Lets vote again between those two options: =20
> > > > > > http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all w=
aste. it =20
> > > > > > at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on =46riday =
:)
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=
=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=
=9A
> > > > > > > Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted fo=
r is =20
> > > > > > > 3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me=
 to
> > > > > > > attend... =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next S=
A1 =20
> > > > > > > meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will st=
art, but
> > > > > > > we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Regards, =20
> > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > Hidetoshi Yokota
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc. =20
> > > > > > > e-mail:yokota=40kddilabs.jp (mailto:yokota=40kddilabs.jp)
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > (2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote: =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > Hi Alper, =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fin=
e for =20
> > > > > > > > others.
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > The problem here is that we are from different continents=
 and =20
> > > > > > > > there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shi=
ft
> > > > > > > > timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you=3F
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=
=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A=
 =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it =
does not =20
> > > > > > > > > show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyon=
e else. =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > (10am PDT is 8pm on =46riday evening which is officiall=
y part of =20
> > > > > > > > > the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or
> > > > > > > > > China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=
=A6 I wish we
> > > > > > > > > had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead=
 with
> > > > > > > > > this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting m=
inutes
> > > > > > > > > afterwards.)
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > Cheers, =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > Alper =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote: =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Hello All, =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets =
the most =20
> > > > > > > > > > votes.
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > We will send out Webex link later. =20
> > > > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu&Jouni
> > > > > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=
=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=
=BC=9A
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > I modified the settings. Please try again. =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95 =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=
=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano=
 =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > Same here. =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian=40cs.=
utwente.nl (mailto:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl) =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Danny, Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I am getting the same indication and I can=
not vote=21 =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Georgios =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Van: dmm =5Bdmm-bounces=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm-=
bounces=40ietf.org)=5D namens Moses, Danny
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =5Bdanny.moses=40intel.com (mailto:danny.moses=40=
intel.com)=5D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When enter=
ing Doodle =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I receive an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > indication that I have already voted even thoug=
h I did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I the only one=3F =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > /Danny =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =46rom: dmm =5Bmailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=5D=
 On Behalf Of =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: dmm
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> > > > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
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> > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
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=5F =20
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> > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
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=5F =20
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                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</d=
iv><div><br></div></div>
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                <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B4=
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peng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>
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                <div>
                    Thanks Sri, we will send out webex link soon.
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                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</d=
iv><div><br></div></div>
                 =20
                <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B4=
6=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C23:21=EF=BC=8CSr=
i Gundavelli (sgundave) =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote type=3D=
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<div>Dapeng =E2=80=93 Works for me.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Sri</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span>
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or:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LE=46T: medium none; PADDING=
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4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt=22>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>=46rom: </span>Dapeng Liu &lt;<a hre=
f=3D=22mailto:maxpassion=40gmail.com=22>maxpassion=40gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Date: </span>Thursday, June 5, 2014 =
8:05 AM<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>To: </span>Sri Gundavelli &lt;<a hre=
f=3D=22mailto:sgundave=40cisco.com=22>sgundave=40cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Cc: </span>Alper Yegin &lt;<a href=3D=
=22mailto:alper.yegin=40yegin.org=22>alper.yegin=40yegin.org</a>&gt;, =22=
<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm=40ietf.org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>=22 &lt;<a href=3D=
=22mailto:dmm=40ietf.org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Subject: </span>=E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=
=BC=9A =5BDMM=5D =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =
=E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconference<br=
>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi Sri, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>--&nbsp;</div>
<div><span style=3D=22color: rgb(160, 160, 168);=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B4=
6=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C22:46=EF=BC=8CSr=
i Gundavelli (sgundave) =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</span></div>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div>I'm OK to move this =46riday=407AM.&nbsp;</div>
</div>
</div>
</span></div></blockquote><div>Thanks.&nbsp;</div>
<div>But since some members already reserve time for this =46riday=4010AM=
 PDT (that is the time slot gets most votes on doodle), we will not chang=
e that for this week=E2=80=99s call.</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><=
div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=46riday=4010AM PDT is not good for folks in Asia pac region. Most f=
olks cannot make it and so what is the point.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We can generally fix on 7AM Pacific, or 11PM Pacific. IMO, these are=
 the two possible slots that can works for folks in multiple regions.</di=
v>
</div>
</div>
</span></div></blockquote><div>Agree. =46or next call, we can do that.</d=
iv>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is this ok for you=3F</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>-Dapeng&nbsp;</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sri</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt=22>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>=46rom: </span>Dapeng Liu &lt;<a hre=
f=3D=22mailto:maxpassion=40gmail.com=22>maxpassion=40gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Date: </span>Thursday, June 5, 2014 =
7:42 AM<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>To: </span>Alper Yegin &lt;<a href=3D=
=22mailto:alper.yegin=40yegin.org=22>alper.yegin=40yegin.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Cc: </span>=22<a href=3D=22mailto:dm=
m=40ietf.org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>=22 &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm=40ietf.=
org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
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=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=
=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconference<br>
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<div>
<div>
<div>OK, then we do not change the time for this week. =46or next week=E2=
=80=99s call we use the new time slot.</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>--&nbsp;</div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=
=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=
=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div><span>
<div>
<div>
<div>redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wrote:=
</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi Dapeng,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change now a=
n</div>
<div>agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, and =
now</div>
<div>I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really cance=
l or</div>
<div>move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for next=
</div>
<div>week (not for tomorrow=21=21).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div><blockquot=
e type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How about PST 8:00 AM =46riday=3F It would be:</div>
<div>---------------------------------------</div>
<div>San =46rancisco: 8:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 18:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 23:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 24:00 PM</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:</div>
<div>----------------------------------------</div>
<div>San =46rancisco: 7:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 22:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 23:00 PM</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lets vote again between those two options:</div>
<div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k=22>http://doodle.com=
/it56enb76n7qgz9k</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste. i=
t</div>
<div>at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on =46riday :)</div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=
=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</d=
iv><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is</div=
>
<div>3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to</div>=

<div>attend... </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1</div>
<div>meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, but<=
/div>
<div>we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Hidetoshi Yokota</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>KDDI R&amp;D Laboratories, Inc.</div>
<div>e-mail:<a href=3D=22mailto:yokota=40kddilabs.jp=22>yokota=40kddilabs=
.jp</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi Alper, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for</div>=

<div>others.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The problem here is that we are from different continents and</div>
<div>there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift</div>
<div>timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you=3F</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=
=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>
<div>That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not</div=
>
<div>show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else. </div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(10am PDT is 8pm on =46riday evening which is officially part of</di=
v>
<div>the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or</div>
<div>China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I wish =
we</div>
<div>had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with</div>
<div>this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes</div>
<div>afterwards.)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alper</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hello All, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most</div>
<div>votes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We will send out Webex link later. </div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu&amp;Jouni</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=
=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hello all, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I modified the settings. Please try again.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95=22>http://doodle.com=
/q7zeebs9nqnbif95</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=
=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano</div>
<div>=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Same here.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, <a href=3D=22mailto:karagian=40cs=
.utwente.nl=22>karagian=40cs.utwente.nl</a></div>
<div>wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote=21</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Georgios</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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</div>
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=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F</div>
<div>Van: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>dmm-bounce=
s=40ietf.org</a>=5D namens Moses, Danny</div>
<div>=5B<a href=3D=22mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com=22>danny.moses=40inte=
l.com</a>=5D</div>
<div>Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41</div>
<div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</div>
<div>Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle</div>
<div>I receive an</div>
<div>indication that I have already voted even though I did</div>
<div>not.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Am I the only one=3F</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>/Danny</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=46rom: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>mailto:=
dmm-bounces=40ietf.org</a>=5D On Behalf Of</div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div>Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40</div>
<div>To: dmm</div>
<div>Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hello,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please</div>
<div>select your</div>
<div>prefer time in doodle.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Doodle:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D=22https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ft=
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>-- </div>
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<div>Dapeng&amp;Jouni</div>
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Hello All, 

The July meeting is approaching and It is time to prepare the agenda for the upcoming meeting.

We have almost finished the working group work of the work items listed in the current charter. The requirement document is being reviewed by IESG and gap analysis document will soon finish WGLC. Hopefully we can resolve the left comments of those two working group documents by email before the July meeting. Then we can focus on the re-charter discussion and any other new proposals in the July meeting.

So please send to chairs the the following information if you want to present something in the upcoming July meeting.
Name of the presentation
Link of the draft
Time needed 


Thanks,
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Dapeng Liu&Jouni


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                <div>
                    Hello All,
                </div><div><br></div><div>The July meeting is approaching=
 and It is time to prepare the agenda for the upcoming meeting.</div><div=
><br></div><div>We have almost finished the working group work of the wor=
k items listed in the current charter. The requirement document is being =
reviewed by IESG and gap analysis document will soon finish WGLC. Hopeful=
ly we can resolve the left comments of those two working group documents =
by email before the July meeting. Then we can focus on the re-charter dis=
cussion and any other new proposals in the July meeting.</div><div><br></=
div><div>So please send to chairs the the following information if you wa=
nt to present something in the upcoming July meeting.</div><div><ul><li>N=
ame of the presentation</li><li>Link of the draft</li><li>Time needed&nbs=
p;</li></ul></div>
                <div><div>Thanks,</div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu=
&amp;Jouni</div></div>
            
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Folks,

Minor changes..

https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt

IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution 
from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)

I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals 
received from others.

- Jouni


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Hello Jouni, DMM folks,

We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one thing.
If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A =
basic understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and =
identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to =
work items for DMM WG.

I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow =
up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.

Cheers,

Alper



On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:

> Folks,
>=20
> Minor changes..
>=20
> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>=20
> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution =
from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>=20
> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals =
received from others.
>=20
> - Jouni
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> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
> =20
> We better clarify what =22anchor re-selection=22 stands for.
> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that=
's one thing.
> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that=
's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. =20
> =20
> =20

> A basic understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an expla=
nation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D=21), and identifica=
tion of various aspects of that scenario which translate to work items fo=
r DMM WG.
> =20
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low up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
> =20
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> =20
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aft.txt
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> > IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solutio=
n from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
> > =20
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ceived from others.
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> > - Jouni
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                    <span><div><div><div>Hello Jouni, DMM folks,</div><di=
v><br></div><div>We better clarify what =22anchor re-selection=22 stands =
for.</div><div>If it is about selecting different anchors for different I=
P flows, that's one thing.</div><div>If it is about changing the IP ancho=
r in the middle of an IP flow, that's another thing. And that other thing=
 needs to be scoped out.&nbsp;</div></div></div></span></blockquote><bloc=
kquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22border-left-style:solid;border-width:=
1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;=22><span><div><div><div> A basic u=
nderstanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation for =
discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D=21), and identification of var=
ious aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.</=
div><div><br></div><div>I won't be in the call today. So, consider this f=
or a discussion. =46ollow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good=
.</div><div><br></div></div></div></span></blockquote><div>OK.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>-Dapeng Liu&nbsp;</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=
=3D=22border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-le=
ft:10px;=22><span><div><div><div></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><=
div>Alper</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Jun 6=
, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote=
 type=3D=22cite=22><div><div>=46olks,</div><div><br></div><div>Minor chan=
ges..</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D=22https://github.com/jounikor/d=
mm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter=5Fdraft.txt=22>https://github.com/jou=
nikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter=5Fdraft.txt</a></div><div><br>=
</div><div>IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)</div>=
<div><br></div><div>I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear t=
ext proposals received from others.</div><div><br></div><div>- Jouni</div=
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Hi Alper, All:



Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:

     "Although the maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or prefix(es)

      and upper level sessions is a desirable goal when mobile hosts/router=
s

      change their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a strict

      requirement. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP

      addressing including home address(es) and/or home network prefix(es)

      remain the same throughout the entire upper level session lifetime,

      or that support for mobility functions is provided on the network sid=
e

      in all conditions, unless these properties are specifically indicated

      to the mobile node and its applications from the network."





I suppose this clarifies that the "anchor re-selection" can apply to a sing=
le session also?

BR,

John





> -----Original Message-----

> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin

> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM

> To: Jouni Korhonen

> Cc: dmm@ietf.org

> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..

>

> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,

>

> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.

> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that's=
 one

> thing.

> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that's

> another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic

> understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation for

> discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of vario=
us

> aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.

>

> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow =
up on

> the mailing list afterwards would be good.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Alper

>

>

>

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:

>

> > Folks,

> >

> > Minor changes..

> >

> > https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.=
txt

> >

> > IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution =
from

> legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)

> >

> > I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals rece=
ived

> from others.

> >

> > - Jouni

> >

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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragr=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Although the maint=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and upper level se=
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and/or home network prefix(es)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"background:yellow;mso-highlight:ye=
llow">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; remain the same throughout the entire =
upper level session lifetime</span>,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; or that support fo=
r mobility functions is provided on the network side<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in all conditions,=
 unless these properties are specifically indicated<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to the mobile node=
 and its applications from the network.&quot;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I suppose this clarifies that the &#8220;anchor r=
e-selection&#8221; can apply to a single session also?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><br>
BR,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On B=
ehalf Of Alper Yegin<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; To: Jouni Korhonen<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Cc: dmm@ietf.org<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text update=
s in github..<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Hello Jouni, DMM folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; We better clarify what &quot;anchor re-selec=
tion&quot; stands for.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; If it is about selecting different anchors f=
or different IP flows, that's one<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; thing.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; If it is about changing the IP anchor in the=
 middle of an IP flow, that's<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; another thing. And that other thing needs to=
 be scoped out. A basic<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; understanding of a use case would be appreci=
ated (just an explanation for<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!)=
, and identification of various<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; aspects of that scenario which translate to =
work items for DMM WG.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; I won't be in the call today. So, consider t=
his for a discussion. Follow up on<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; the mailing list afterwards would be good.<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Alper<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen w=
rote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; Minor changes..<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/jounikor/=
dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt">
<span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://github.com/jo=
unikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt</span></a><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; IMHO..the charter as it is today, would=
 allow pretty much any solution from<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying=
 IP.. ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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Good point Alper. Lets hash that anchor reselection details out shortly.

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> Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@yegin.org> kirjoitti 6.6.2014 kello 17.37:
>=20
> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>=20
> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that's o=
ne thing.
> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that's a=
nother thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic understan=
ding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation for discussion,=
 I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of various aspects of t=
hat scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
>=20
> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow u=
p on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Alper
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>=20
>> Folks,
>>=20
>> Minor changes..
>>=20
>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.tx=
t
>>=20
>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution fr=
om legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>=20
>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals receiv=
ed from others.
>>=20
>> - Jouni
>>=20
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John,=20

Correct.=20

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> John Kaippallimalil <John.Kaippallimalil@huawei.com> kirjoitti 6.6.2014 ke=
llo 17.56:
>=20
> Hi Alper, All:
> =20
> Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:
>      "Although the maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or prefix(es=
)
>       and upper level sessions is a desirable goal when mobile hosts/route=
rs
>       change their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a strict=

>       requirement. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP
>       addressing including home address(es) and/or home network prefix(es)=

>       remain the same throughout the entire upper level session lifetime,
>       or that support for mobility functions is provided on the network si=
de
>       in all conditions, unless these properties are specifically indicate=
d
>       to the mobile node and its applications from the network."
> =20
> =20
> I suppose this clarifies that the =E2=80=9Canchor re-selection=E2=80=9D ca=
n apply to a single session also?
>=20
> BR,
> John
> =20
> =20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
> > To: Jouni Korhonen
> > Cc: dmm@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >
> > Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
> >
> > We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
> > If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that'=
s one
> > thing.
> > If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that'=
s
> > another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic
> > understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation fo=
r
> > discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of vari=
ous
> > aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
> >
> > I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow=
 up on
> > the mailing list afterwards would be good.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Alper
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > Minor changes..
> > >
> > > https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft=
.txt
> > >
> > > IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution=
 from
> > legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
> > >
> > > I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals rec=
eived
> > from others.
> > >
> > > - Jouni
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dmm mailing list
> > > dmm@ietf.org
> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > dmm@ietf.org
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Although the maintenance=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and upper level ses=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; change their point o=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"background:yellow;mso-highlight:yel=
low">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; remain the same throughout the entire up=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; or that support for=
 mobility functions is provided on the network side<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in all conditions, u=
nless these properties are specifically indicated<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to the mobile node a=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I suppose this clarifies that the =E2=80=9Canchor r=
e-selection=E2=80=9D can apply to a single session also?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><br>
BR,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; From: dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf=
.org">mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM<o:p></o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; To: Jouni Korhonen<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates=
 in github..<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Hello Jouni, DMM folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" s=
tands for.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; If it is about selecting different anchors fo=
r different IP flows, that's one<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; thing.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; If it is about changing the IP anchor in the m=
iddle of an IP flow, that's<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; another thing. And that other thing needs to b=
e scoped out. A basic<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; understanding of a use case would be apprecia=
ted (just an explanation for<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!),=
 and identification of various<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; aspects of that scenario which translate to w=
ork items for DMM WG.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; I won't be in the call today. So, consider th=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; the mailing list afterwards would be good.<o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Alper<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; Minor changes..<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/jounikor/d=
mm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt">
<span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://github.com/jou=
nikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt</span></a><o:p></o:p></=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; IMHO..the charter as it is today, would a=
llow pretty much any solution from<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying I=
P.. ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; I have put in editorial changes of my ow=
n and clear text proposals received<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; from others.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; - Jouni<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; ________________________________________=
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Hi John, Hi Alper,



Yes, that was the intention of having that text about =93anchor re-selectio=
n=94 in the paragraph!
Of course, the  =93anchor re-selection=94  should apply to an ongoing sessi=
on!



Best regards,

Georgios



PS. I am afraid that I cannot attend the telco!



________________________________
Van: dmm [dmm-bounces@ietf.org] namens John Kaippallimalil [John.Kaippallim=
alil@huawei.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 6 juni 2014 16:56
Aan: Alper Yegin; Jouni Korhonen
CC: dmm@ietf.org
Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..


Hi Alper, All:



Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:

     "Although the maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or prefix(es)

      and upper level sessions is a desirable goal when mobile hosts/router=
s

      change their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a strict

      requirement. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP

      addressing including home address(es) and/or home network prefix(es)

      remain the same throughout the entire upper level session lifetime,

      or that support for mobility functions is provided on the network sid=
e

      in all conditions, unless these properties are specifically indicated

      to the mobile node and its applications from the network."





I suppose this clarifies that the =93anchor re-selection=94 can apply to a =
single session also?

BR,

John





> -----Original Message-----

> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin

> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM

> To: Jouni Korhonen

> Cc: dmm@ietf.org

> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..

>

> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,

>

> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.

> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that's=
 one

> thing.

> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that's

> another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic

> understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation for

> discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of vario=
us

> aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.

>

> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow =
up on

> the mailing list afterwards would be good.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Alper

>

>

>

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:

>

> > Folks,

> >

> > Minor changes..

> >

> > https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.=
txt

> >

> > IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution =
from

> legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)

> >

> > I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals rece=
ived

> from others.

> >

> > - Jouni

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > dmm mailing list

> > dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>

> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm

>

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<p>Hi John, Hi Alper,</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Yes, that was the intention of having that text about =93anchor re-selec=
tion=94 in the paragraph!<br>
Of course, the &nbsp;=93anchor re-selection=94&nbsp;&nbsp;should apply to a=
n ongoing session!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Georgios</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>PS. I am afraid that I cannot attend the telco!</p>
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n Kaippallimalil [John.Kaippallimalil@huawei.com]<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> vrijdag 6 juni 2014 16:56<br>
<b>Aan:</b> Alper Yegin; Jouni Korhonen<br>
<b>CC:</b> dmm@ietf.org<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Hi Alper, All:</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragr=
aph that states:</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Although the maint=
enance of stable home address(es) and/or prefix(es)</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and upper level se=
ssions is a desirable goal when mobile hosts/routers</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; change their point=
 of attachment to the Internet, it is not a strict</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; requirement<span s=
tyle=3D"BACKGROUND: yellow">. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that I=
P</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"BACKGROUND: yellow">&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; addressing including home address(es) and/or home network =
prefix(es)</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"BACKGROUND: yellow">&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; remain the same throughout the entire upper level session =
lifetime</span>,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; or that support fo=
r mobility functions is provided on the network side</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in all conditions,=
 unless these properties are specifically indicated</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to the mobile node=
 and its applications from the network.&quot;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I suppose this clarifies that the =93anchor re-se=
lection=94 can apply to a single session also?</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><br>
BR,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; -----Original Message-----</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On B=
ehalf Of Alper Yegin</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; To: Jouni Korhonen</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Cc: dmm@ietf.org</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text update=
s in github..</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Hello Jouni, DMM folks,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; We better clarify what &quot;anchor re-selec=
tion&quot; stands for.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; If it is about selecting different anchors f=
or different IP flows, that's one</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; thing.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; If it is about changing the IP anchor in the=
 middle of an IP flow, that's</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; another thing. And that other thing needs to=
 be scoped out. A basic</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; understanding of a use case would be appreci=
ated (just an explanation for</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!)=
, and identification of various</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; aspects of that scenario which translate to =
work items for DMM WG.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; I won't be in the call today. So, consider t=
his for a discussion. Follow up on</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; the mailing list afterwards would be good.</=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Cheers,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Alper</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen w=
rote:</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; Folks,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; Minor changes..</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; <a href=3D"https://github.com/jounikor/=
dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt" target=3D"_blank">
<span style=3D"COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none">https://github.com=
/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt</span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; IMHO..the charter as it is today, would=
 allow pretty much any solution from</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying=
 IP.. ;-)</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; I have put in editorial changes of my o=
wn and clear text proposals received</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; from others.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; - Jouni</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; _______________________________________=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; dmm mailing list</p>
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As posted earlier in an email, I propose to keep the anchor (re)selection d=
ecoupled from
mid-session or between-session aspects. I think we should have one solution=
 for
anchor selection, that can be used also to select a new one during runtime =
if needed.

How to treat bindings in case of mid-session re-selection, is a different t=
hing.
It's about importing mobility states into the new selected anchor. Associat=
ed
Traffic steering I see in a separate document, which is currently named 'fo=
rwarding
path and signaling management'.

marco

>-----Original Message-----
>From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni
>Sent: Freitag, 6. Juni 2014 17:06
>To: Alper Yegin
>Cc: dmm@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>
>Good point Alper. Lets hash that anchor reselection details out shortly.
>
>--
>Jouni Korhonen
>Broadcom
>
>(Sent from my mobile..)
>
>> Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@yegin.org> kirjoitti 6.6.2014 kello 17.37:
>>
>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>
>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that'=
s one thing.
>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that'=
s another
>thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic understanding =
of a
>use case would be appreciated (just an explanation for discussion, I'm not=
 asking
>for another I-D!), and identification of various aspects of that scenario =
which
>translate to work items for DMM WG.
>>
>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow=
 up on the
>mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Alper
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Minor changes..
>>>
>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-
>charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>>>
>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution =
from
>legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>
>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals rece=
ived
>from others.
>>>
>>> - Jouni
>>>
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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Requirements for Distributed Mobility Management'
  (draft-ietf-dmm-requirements-17.txt) as Informational RFC

This document is the product of the Distributed Mobility Management
Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Brian Haberman and Ted Lemon.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-requirements/




Technical Summary:

This document defines the requirements for Distributed Mobility Management
(DMM).  The hierarchical structure in traditional wireless networks
has led primarily to centralized deployment models.  As some wireless
networks are evolving away from the hierarchical structure, a distributed
model for mobility management can be useful to them.

Working Group Summary:

There was disagreement from one participant on whether some of the
requirements were stated clearly enough to make a convincing case for a
new distributed mobility management model.  However, there was general
consensus in the WG that the text adequately describes the shortcomings
of current mobility management algorithms in terms of resource consumption
when used in multicast, CDN, and peer-to-peer style applications.

Document Quality:

This is a requirements document so there is currently no implementation.

Personnel:

Peter McCann is the document shepherd.  Brian Haberman is the
responsible AD.


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Hi John,

My reading of that sentence is different.

To me it says "We cannot assume that the solutions we are developing =
would be available on all networks across the Internet".

While I'd agree with that statement, I don't know what it really means =
for our solution design.
Some of our solutions may not be present in a network, hence the MN =
cannot use them. OK=85. and??

In my reading, it does not say the following: "Network cannot always =
provide IP session continuity, hence we need to define solutions that =
can deal with this". (e.g., using MPTCP, or restarting flows, or some =
other magic, etc.).
I don't think the intent of that sentence is this. And therefore, I =
don't think that sentence is related to "anchor re-selection".

Alper





On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:56 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:

> Hi Alper, All:
> =20
> Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:
>      "Although the maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or =
prefix(es)
>       and upper level sessions is a desirable goal when mobile =
hosts/routers
>       change their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a =
strict
>       requirement. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP
>       addressing including home address(es) and/or home network =
prefix(es)
>       remain the same throughout the entire upper level session =
lifetime,
>       or that support for mobility functions is provided on the =
network side
>       in all conditions, unless these properties are specifically =
indicated
>       to the mobile node and its applications from the network."
> =20
> =20
> I suppose this clarifies that the =93anchor re-selection=94 can apply =
to a single session also?
>=20
> BR,
> John
> =20
> =20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
> > To: Jouni Korhonen
> > Cc: dmm@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >
> > Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
> >
> > We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
> > If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one
> > thing.
> > If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's
> > another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic
> > understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for
> > discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of =
various
> > aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
> >
> > I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on
> > the mailing list afterwards would be good.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Alper
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > Minor changes..
> > >
> > > =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

> > >
> > > IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from
> > legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
> > >
> > > I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals =
received
> > from others.
> > >
> > > - Jouni
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dmm mailing list
> > > dmm@ietf.org
> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
> >
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<html><head><base href=3D"x-msg://2329/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; ">Hi John,<div><br></div><div>My reading of that =
sentence is different.</div><div><br></div><div>To me it says "We cannot =
assume that the solutions we are developing would be available on all =
networks across the Internet".</div><div><br></div><div>While I'd agree =
with that statement, I don't know what it really means for our solution =
design.</div><div>Some of our solutions may not be present in a network, =
hence the MN cannot use them. OK=85. and??</div><div><br></div><div>In =
my reading, it does not say the following: "Network cannot always =
provide IP session continuity, hence we need to define solutions that =
can deal with this". (e.g., using MPTCP, or restarting flows, or some =
other magic, etc.).</div><div>I don't think the intent of that sentence =
is this. And therefore, I don't think that sentence is related to =
"anchor =
re-selection".</div><div><br></div><div>Alper</div><div><br></div><div><br=
></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 6, 2014, =
at 5:56 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:</div><br =
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0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">Towards the end of the charter, there is a =
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0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
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10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; change =
their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a =
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yellow; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial =
initial; ">. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that =
IP<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
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">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; addressing including home address(es) =
and/or home network prefix(es)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
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remain the same throughout the entire upper level session =
lifetime</span>,<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; or that =
support for mobility functions is provided on the network =
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conditions, unless these properties are specifically =
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0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to the mobile =
node and its applications from the network."<o:p></o:p></div><div =
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font-family: Consolas; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
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font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">I suppose this clarifies =
that the =93anchor re-selection=94 can apply to a single session =
also?<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; "><br>BR,<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">John<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; -----Original =
Message-----<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; From: dmm =
[mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper =
Yegin<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 =
AM<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; To: Jouni Korhonen<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt; Cc:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline; ">dmm@ietf.org</a><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; Subject: Re: [DMM] =
draft charter text updates in github..<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; Hello Jouni, DMM =
folks,<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; We better clarify what =
"anchor re-selection" stands for.<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt; If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP =
flows, that's one<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; thing.<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt; If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP =
flow, that's<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; another thing. And that other =
thing needs to be scoped out. A basic<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt; understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; discussion, I'm not asking for =
another I-D!), and identification of various<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt; aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM =
WG.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; I won't be in the call =
today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow up =
on<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; the mailing list afterwards would be =
good.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; =
Cheers,<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; =
Alper<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; &gt; =
Folks,<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt; &gt; Minor changes..<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; =
&gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; &gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_d=
raft.txt" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span =
style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none; =
">https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.t=
xt</span></a><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt; &gt; IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much =
any solution from<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; legacy anchoring to herd of =
pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt; &gt; I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text =
proposals received<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; from others.<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; &gt; - Jouni<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; &gt; =
_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt; &gt; dmm mailing list<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; &gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline; "><span style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none; =
">dmm@ietf.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
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class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
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text-decoration: underline; "><span style=3D"color: windowtext; =
text-decoration: none; =
">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm</span></a><o:p></o:p></div><di=
v style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; =
_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt; dmm mailing list<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt;<span =
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underline; "><span style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none; =
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text-decoration: underline; "><span style=3D"color: windowtext; =
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Hi Alper,
I did not intrepret it that way. The paragraph seemed broad enough to inclu=
de both (or all) cases.
I found the charter to be broad enough - the current text would support a s=
olution regardless of the specific scenario/design.

But, if it the text is being interpreted in a specific way, I don't have an=
y serious reservations against clarification.

Best Regards,
John

From: Alper Yegin [mailto:alper.yegin@yegin.org]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 10:53 AM
To: John Kaippallimalil
Cc: Jouni Korhonen; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..

Hi John,

My reading of that sentence is different.

To me it says "We cannot assume that the solutions we are developing would =
be available on all networks across the Internet".

While I'd agree with that statement, I don't know what it really means for =
our solution design.
Some of our solutions may not be present in a network, hence the MN cannot =
use them. OK.... and??

In my reading, it does not say the following: "Network cannot always provid=
e IP session continuity, hence we need to define solutions that can deal wi=
th this". (e.g., using MPTCP, or restarting flows, or some other magic, etc=
.).
I don't think the intent of that sentence is this. And therefore, I don't t=
hink that sentence is related to "anchor re-selection".

Alper





On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:56 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:


Hi Alper, All:

Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:
     "Although the maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or prefix(es)
      and upper level sessions is a desirable goal when mobile hosts/router=
s
      change their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a strict
      requirement. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP
      addressing including home address(es) and/or home network prefix(es)
      remain the same throughout the entire upper level session lifetime,
      or that support for mobility functions is provided on the network sid=
e
      in all conditions, unless these properties are specifically indicated
      to the mobile node and its applications from the network."


I suppose this clarifies that the "anchor re-selection" can apply to a sing=
le session also?

BR,
John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
> To: Jouni Korhonen
> Cc: dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>
> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>
> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that's=
 one
> thing.
> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that's
> another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic
> understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation for
> discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of vario=
us
> aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
>
> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow =
up on
> the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alper
>
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>
> > Folks,
> >
> > Minor changes..
> >
> > https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.=
txt
> >
> > IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution =
from
> legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
> >
> > I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals rece=
ived
> from others.
> >
> > - Jouni
> >
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Hi Alper,<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I did not intrepret it th=
at way. The paragraph seemed broad enough to include both (or all) cases.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I found the charter to be=
 broad enough &#8211; the current text would support a solution regardless =
of the specific scenario/design.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">But, if it the text is be=
ing interpreted in a specific way, I don&#8217;t have any serious reservati=
ons against clarification. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">John<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
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ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Alper Ye=
gin [mailto:alper.yegin@yegin.org]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 06, 2014 10:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Kaippallimalil<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jouni Korhonen; dmm@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi John,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My reading of that sentence is different.<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To me it says &quot;We cannot assume that the soluti=
ons we are developing would be available on all networks across the Interne=
t&quot;.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While I'd agree with that statement, I don't know wh=
at it really means for our solution design.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some of our solutions may not be present in a networ=
k, hence the MN cannot use them. OK&#8230;. and??<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In my reading, it does not say the following: &quot;=
Network cannot always provide IP session continuity, hence we need to defin=
e solutions that can deal with this&quot;. (e.g., using MPTCP, or restartin=
g flows, or some other magic, etc.).<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don't think the intent of that sentence is this. A=
nd therefore, I don't think that sentence is related to &quot;anchor re-sel=
ection&quot;.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alper<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:56 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrot=
e:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">Hi Alper, All:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Although the maintenance of stable home ad=
dress(es) and/or prefix(es)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and upper level sessions is a desirable go=
al when mobile hosts/routers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; change their point of attachment to the In=
ternet, it is not a strict<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; requirement<span style=3D"background:yello=
w">. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP</span><o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
;background:yellow">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; addressing including hom=
e address(es) and/or home network prefix(es)</span><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
;background:yellow">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; remain the same througho=
ut the entire upper level session lifetime</span><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.5pt;font-family:Consolas">,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; or that support for mobility functions is =
provided on the network side<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in all conditions, unless these properties=
 are specifically indicated<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to the mobile node and its applications fr=
om the network.&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">I suppose this clarifies that the &#8220;anchor re-selection&#8221; can a=
pply to a single session also?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
"><br>
BR,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; From: dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:dmm-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; To: Jouni Korhonen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; Cc:<span class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mai=
lto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; Hello Jouni, DMM folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; We better clarify what &quot;anchor re-selection&quot; stands for.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, t=
hat's one<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, t=
hat's<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanatio=
n for<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of =
various<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Fo=
llow up on<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; the mailing list afterwards would be good.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; Alper<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; &gt; Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; &gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas=
">&gt; &gt; Minor changes..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi John,

In that case we need a clarification and refinement on that text.

Alper

On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:21 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:

> Hi Alper,
> I did not intrepret it that way. The paragraph seemed broad enough to =
include both (or all) cases.
> I found the charter to be broad enough =96 the current text would =
support a solution regardless of the specific scenario/design.
> =20
> But, if it the text is being interpreted in a specific way, I don=92t =
have any serious reservations against clarification.   =20
>=20
> Best Regards,
> John
> =20
> From: Alper Yegin [mailto:alper.yegin@yegin.org]=20
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 10:53 AM
> To: John Kaippallimalil
> Cc: Jouni Korhonen; dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> =20
> Hi John,
> =20
> My reading of that sentence is different.
> =20
> To me it says "We cannot assume that the solutions we are developing =
would be available on all networks across the Internet".
> =20
> While I'd agree with that statement, I don't know what it really means =
for our solution design.
> Some of our solutions may not be present in a network, hence the MN =
cannot use them. OK=85. and??
> =20
> In my reading, it does not say the following: "Network cannot always =
provide IP session continuity, hence we need to define solutions that =
can deal with this". (e.g., using MPTCP, or restarting flows, or some =
other magic, etc.).
> I don't think the intent of that sentence is this. And therefore, I =
don't think that sentence is related to "anchor re-selection".
> =20
> Alper
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:56 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Hi Alper, All:
> =20
> Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:
>      "Although the maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or =
prefix(es)
>       and upper level sessions is a desirable goal when mobile =
hosts/routers
>       change their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a =
strict
>       requirement. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP
>       addressing including home address(es) and/or home network =
prefix(es)
>       remain the same throughout the entire upper level session =
lifetime,
>       or that support for mobility functions is provided on the =
network side
>       in all conditions, unless these properties are specifically =
indicated
>       to the mobile node and its applications from the network."
> =20
> =20
> I suppose this clarifies that the =93anchor re-selection=94 can apply =
to a single session also?
>=20
> BR,
> John
> =20
> =20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
> > To: Jouni Korhonen
> > Cc: dmm@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >=20
> > Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
> >=20
> > We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
> > If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one
> > thing.
> > If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's
> > another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic
> > understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for
> > discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of =
various
> > aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
> >=20
> > I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on
> > the mailing list afterwards would be good.
> >=20
> > Cheers,
> >=20
> > Alper
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
> >=20
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > Minor changes..
> > >
> > > =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

> > >
> > > IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from
> > legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
> > >
> > > I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals =
received
> > from others.
> > >
> > > - Jouni
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dmm mailing list
> > > dmm@ietf.org
> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
> >=20
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> > dmm@ietf.org
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after-white-space; ">Hi John,<div><br></div><div>In that case we need a =
clarification and refinement on that =
text.</div><div><br></div><div>Alper</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 6, =
2014, at 7:21 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:</div><br =
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not intrepret it that way. The paragraph seemed broad enough to include =
both (or all) cases.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I found the charter to be broad enough =96 the =
current text would support a solution regardless of the specific =
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AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>John =
Kaippallimalil<br><b>Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Jouni Korhonen; <a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span =
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text updates in github..<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
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0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
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margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">My reading of that =
sentence is different.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">To me it says "We cannot assume that the solutions we =
are developing would be available on all networks across the =
Internet".<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">While I'd agree with that =
statement, I don't know what it really means for our solution =
design.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Some of our solutions may =
not be present in a network, hence the MN cannot use them. OK=85. =
and??<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">In my reading, it does =
not say the following: "Network cannot always provide IP session =
continuity, hence we need to define solutions that can deal with this". =
(e.g., using MPTCP, or restarting flows, or some other magic, =
etc.).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I don't think the intent =
of that sentence is this. And therefore, I don't think that sentence is =
related to "anchor re-selection".<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">Alper<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; ">On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:56 PM, John Kaippallimalil =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">Hi Alper, =
All:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">Towards the end of =
the charter, there is a paragraph that =
states:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Although the =
maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or =
prefix(es)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and upper level sessions is a desirable =
goal when mobile hosts/routers<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: =
Consolas; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; change their point of =
attachment to the Internet, it is not a =
strict<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
requirement<span style=3D"background-image: initial; =
background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; =
background-clip: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: =
initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">. Mobile =
hosts/routers should not assume that =
IP</span><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; background-image: =
initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; =
background-clip: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: =
initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; addressing including home address(es) =
and/or home network prefix(es)</span><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Consolas; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: =
Consolas; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; =
background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: =
yellow; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial =
initial; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; remain the same throughout the =
entire upper level session lifetime</span><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; or that =
support for mobility functions is provided on the network =
side<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in all =
conditions, unless these properties are specifically =
indicated<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to the mobile node and its applications =
from the network."<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: =
Consolas; ">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: =
Consolas; ">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: =
Consolas; ">I suppose this clarifies that the =93anchor re-selection=94 =
can apply to a single session =
also?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
"><br>BR,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">John<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; -----Original =
Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; From: dmm [<a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>] On Behalf =
Of Alper Yegin<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; Sent: Friday, =
June 06, 2014 9:38 AM<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: =
Consolas; ">&gt; To: Jouni =
Korhonen<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; Cc:<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline; ">dmm@ietf.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; =
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New =
Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: =
Consolas; ">&gt; Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in =
github..<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; Hello Jouni, =
DMM folks,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; We better =
clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands =
for.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; If it is about selecting different =
anchors for different IP flows, that's =
one<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; =
thing.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; If it is about changing the IP =
anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; another thing. And that other =
thing needs to be scoped out. A =
basic<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; understanding of a use case would =
be appreciated (just an explanation =
for<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; discussion, I'm not asking for =
another I-D!), and identification of =
various<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; aspects of that scenario which =
translate to work items for DMM =
WG.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; I won't be in =
the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow up =
on<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; the mailing list afterwards would =
be good.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; =
Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; =
Alper<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; On Jun 6, =
2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; =
">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; &gt; =
Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; =
&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; &gt; Minor =
changes..<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; =
&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; &gt;<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_d=
raft.txt" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span =
style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none; =
">https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.t=
xt</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">&gt; =
&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; =
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Ack. John & Alper, any specific wording you want to clarify?=20

- Jouni


On Jun 7, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Alper Yegin wrote:

> Hi John,
>=20
> In that case we need a clarification and refinement on that text.
>=20
> Alper
>=20
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:21 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Alper,
>> I did not intrepret it that way. The paragraph seemed broad enough to =
include both (or all) cases.
>> I found the charter to be broad enough =96 the current text would =
support a solution regardless of the specific scenario/design.
>> =20
>> But, if it the text is being interpreted in a specific way, I don=92t =
have any serious reservations against clarification.   =20
>>=20
>> Best Regards,
>> John
>> =20
>> From: Alper Yegin [mailto:alper.yegin@yegin.org]=20
>> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 10:53 AM
>> To: John Kaippallimalil
>> Cc: Jouni Korhonen; dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> =20
>> Hi John,
>> =20
>> My reading of that sentence is different.
>> =20
>> To me it says "We cannot assume that the solutions we are developing =
would be available on all networks across the Internet".
>> =20
>> While I'd agree with that statement, I don't know what it really =
means for our solution design.
>> Some of our solutions may not be present in a network, hence the MN =
cannot use them. OK=85. and??
>> =20
>> In my reading, it does not say the following: "Network cannot always =
provide IP session continuity, hence we need to define solutions that =
can deal with this". (e.g., using MPTCP, or restarting flows, or some =
other magic, etc.).
>> I don't think the intent of that sentence is this. And therefore, I =
don't think that sentence is related to "anchor re-selection".
>> =20
>> Alper
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:56 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>> Hi Alper, All:
>> =20
>> Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:
>>      "Although the maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or =
prefix(es)
>>       and upper level sessions is a desirable goal when mobile =
hosts/routers
>>       change their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a =
strict
>>       requirement. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP
>>       addressing including home address(es) and/or home network =
prefix(es)
>>       remain the same throughout the entire upper level session =
lifetime,
>>       or that support for mobility functions is provided on the =
network side
>>       in all conditions, unless these properties are specifically =
indicated
>>       to the mobile node and its applications from the network."
>> =20
>> =20
>> I suppose this clarifies that the =93anchor re-selection=94 can apply =
to a single session also?
>>=20
>> BR,
>> John
>> =20
>> =20
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
>> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
>> > To: Jouni Korhonen
>> > Cc: dmm@ietf.org
>> > Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >=20
>> > Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>> >=20
>> > We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>> > If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one
>> > thing.
>> > If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's
>> > another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic
>> > understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for
>> > discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of =
various
>> > aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
>> >=20
>> > I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on
>> > the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>> >=20
>> > Cheers,
>> >=20
>> > Alper
>> >=20
>> >=20
>> >=20
>> > On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>> >=20
>> > > Folks,
>> > >
>> > > Minor changes..
>> > >
>> > > =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>> > >
>> > > IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from
>> > legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>> > >
>> > > I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text =
proposals received
>> > from others.
>> > >
>> > > - Jouni
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
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Hello All, =20

The meeting minutes of =46riday teleconference is enclosed. =20

-- =20
Dapeng Liu


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=BC=8C0:39=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A

> 11pm pacific is 2am east coast us=E2=80=A6. not good =20
> (=46YI, before you guys intend to schedule something on such a time slo=
t ;-)
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote:
> > I'm OK to move this =46riday=407AM.  =20
> > =20
> > =46riday=4010AM PDT is not good for folks in Asia pac region. Most fo=
lks cannot make it and so what is the point. =20
> > =20
> > We can generally fix on 7AM Pacific, or 11PM Pacific. IMO, these are =
the two possible slots that can works for folks in multiple regions. =20
> > =20
> > Sri =20
> > =20
> > =20
> > =20
> > =46rom: Dapeng Liu <maxpassion=40gmail.com (mailto:maxpassion=40gmail=
.com)>
> > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2014 7:42 AM
> > To: Alper Yegin <alper.yegin=40yegin.org (mailto:alper.yegin=40yegin.=
org)>
> > Cc: =22dmm=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm=40ietf.org)=22 <dmm=40ietf.org (mai=
lto:dmm=40ietf.org)>
> > Subject: =5BDMM=5D =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=
=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconferenc=
e
> > =20
> > OK, then we do not change the time for this week. =46or next week=E2=80=
=99s call we use the new time slot. =20
> > =20
> > --  =20
> > Dapeng Liu
> > =20
> > =20
> > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=
=EF=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > =20
> > > redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.
> > > =20
> > > On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wrote=
: =20
> > > =20
> > > > Hi Dapeng, =20
> > > > =20
> > > > While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change no=
w an =20
> > > > agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, a=
nd now
> > > > I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really ca=
ncel or
> > > > move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for n=
ext
> > > > week (not for tomorrow=21=21).
> > > > =20
> > > > Thanks, =20
> > > > =20
> > > > Carlos =20
> > > > =20
> > > > On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > > > > Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > How about PST 8:00 AM =46riday=3F It would be: =20
> > > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > > San =46rancisco: 8:00 AM
> > > > > Paris: 17:00 PM
> > > > > Stockholm: 17:00 PM
> > > > > Istanbul: 18:00 PM
> > > > > Beijing: 23:00 PM
> > > > > Tokyo: 24:00 PM
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier: =20
> > > > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > > San =46rancisco: 7:00 AM
> > > > > Paris: 16:00 PM
> > > > > Stockholm: 16:00 PM
> > > > > Istanbul: 17:00 PM
> > > > > Beijing: 22:00 PM
> > > > > Tokyo: 23:00 PM
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Lets vote again between those two options: =20
> > > > > http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all was=
te. it =20
> > > > > at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on =46riday :)=

> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > -- =20
> > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=
=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A=

> > > > > > Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for =
is =20
> > > > > > 3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me t=
o
> > > > > > attend... =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1=
 =20
> > > > > > meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will star=
t, but
> > > > > > we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Regards, =20
> > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > Hidetoshi Yokota
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc. =20
> > > > > > e-mail:yokota=40kddilabs.jp (mailto:yokota=40kddilabs.jp)
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > (2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote: =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Hi Alper, =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine =
for =20
> > > > > > > others.
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > The problem here is that we are from different continents a=
nd =20
> > > > > > > there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift=

> > > > > > > timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you=3F
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=
=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A=
 =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it do=
es not =20
> > > > > > > > show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone =
else. =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > (10am PDT is 8pm on =46riday evening which is officially =
part of =20
> > > > > > > > the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or
> > > > > > > > China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=
=A6 I wish we
> > > > > > > > had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead w=
ith
> > > > > > > > this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting min=
utes
> > > > > > > > afterwards.)
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > Cheers, =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > Alper =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote: =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > Hello All, =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets th=
e most =20
> > > > > > > > > votes.
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > We will send out Webex link later. =20
> > > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu&Jouni
> > > > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=
=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=
=9A
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Hello all, =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > I modified the settings. Please try again. =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95 =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=
=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano=
 =20
> > > > > > > > > > =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Same here. =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Carlos =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian=40cs.ut=
wente.nl (mailto:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl) =20
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Danny, Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I am getting the same indication and I canno=
t vote=21 =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > Georgios =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
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> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Van: dmm =5Bdmm-bounces=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm-bo=
unces=40ietf.org)=5D namens Moses, Danny
> > > > > > > > > > > > =5Bdanny.moses=40intel.com (mailto:danny.moses=40=
intel.com)=5D
> > > > > > > > > > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
> > > > > > > > > > > > Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
> > > > > > > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
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> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When enterin=
g Doodle =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > I receive an
> > > > > > > > > > > > indication that I have already voted even though =
I did
> > > > > > > > > > > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
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> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > Am I the only one=3F =20
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> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
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> > > > > > > > > > > > /Danny =20
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> > > > > > > > > > > > =46rom: dmm =5Bmailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=5D O=
n Behalf Of =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: dmm
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
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> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
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> > > > > > > > > > > > The WG decide to have a teleconference next week.=
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> > > > > > > > > > > > prefer time in doodle.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Doodle: =20
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> > > > > > > > > > > > https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/priva=
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                <div>
                    Hello All,
                </div><div><br></div><div>The meeting minutes of =46riday=
 teleconference is enclosed.</div>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</d=
iv><div><br></div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B4=
6=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C0:39=EF=BC=8CAlp=
er Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>
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e:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;=22>
                    <span><div><div><div>11pm pacific is 2am east coast u=
s=E2=80=A6. not good&nbsp;</div><div>(=46YI, before you guys intend to sc=
hedule something on such a time slot ;-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></d=
iv><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Sri Gundavell=
i (sgundave) wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>

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b2312=22>

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line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =22>
<div>I'm OK to move this =46riday=407AM.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=46riday=4010AM PDT is not good for folks in Asia pac region. Most f=
olks cannot make it and so what is the point.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We can generally fix on 7AM Pacific, or 11PM Pacific. IMO, these are=
 the two possible slots that can works for folks in multiple regions.</di=
v>
<div><br>
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<div>Sri</div>
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<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>=46rom: </span>Dapeng Liu &lt;<a hre=
f=3D=22mailto:maxpassion=40gmail.com=22>maxpassion=40gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Date: </span>Thursday, June 5, 2014 =
7:42 AM<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>To: </span>Alper Yegin &lt;<a href=3D=
=22mailto:alper.yegin=40yegin.org=22>alper.yegin=40yegin.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Cc: </span>=22<a href=3D=22mailto:dm=
m=40ietf.org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>=22 &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm=40ietf.=
org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Subject: </span>=5BDMM=5D =E5=9B=9E=E5=
=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=
=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconference<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>OK, then we do not change the time for this week. =46or next week=E2=
=80=99s call we use the new time slot.</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>--&nbsp;</div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div><p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=88=
5=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =
=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div>redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wrote:=
</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Dapeng,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change now a=
n</div>
<div>agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, and =
now</div>
<div>I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really cance=
l or</div>
<div>move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for next=
</div>
<div>week (not for tomorrow=21=21).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div><blockquot=
e type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How about PST 8:00 AM =46riday=3F It would be:</div>
<div>---------------------------------------</div>
<div>San =46rancisco: 8:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 18:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 23:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 24:00 PM</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:</div>
<div>----------------------------------------</div>
<div>San =46rancisco: 7:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 22:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 23:00 PM</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lets vote again between those two options:</div>
<div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k=22>http://doodle.com=
/it56enb76n7qgz9k</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste. i=
t</div>
<div>at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on =46riday :)</div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=
=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</d=
iv><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is</div=
>
<div>3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to</div>=

<div>attend... </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1</div>
<div>meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, but<=
/div>
<div>we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Hidetoshi Yokota</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>KDDI R&amp;D Laboratories, Inc.</div>
<div>e-mail:<a href=3D=22mailto:yokota=40kddilabs.jp=22>yokota=40kddilabs=
.jp</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Alper, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for</div>=

<div>others.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The problem here is that we are from different continents and</div>
<div>there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift</div>
<div>timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you=3F</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=
=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not</div=
>
<div>show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else. </div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(10am PDT is 8pm on =46riday evening which is officially part of</di=
v>
<div>the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or</div>
<div>China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I wish =
we</div>
<div>had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with</div>
<div>this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes</div>
<div>afterwards.)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alper</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hello All, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most</div>
<div>votes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We will send out Webex link later. </div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu&amp;Jouni</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=
=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hello all, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I modified the settings. Please try again.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95=22>http://doodle.com=
/q7zeebs9nqnbif95</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=
=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano</div>
<div>=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Same here.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, <a href=3D=22mailto:karagian=40cs=
.utwente.nl=22>karagian=40cs.utwente.nl</a></div>
<div>wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote=21</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Georgios</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F</div>
<div>Van: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>dmm-bounce=
s=40ietf.org</a>=5D namens Moses, Danny</div>
<div>=5B<a href=3D=22mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com=22>danny.moses=40inte=
l.com</a>=5D</div>
<div>Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41</div>
<div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</div>
<div>Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle</div>
<div>I receive an</div>
<div>indication that I have already voted even though I did</div>
<div>not.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Am I the only one=3F</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>/Danny</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=46rom: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>mailto:=
dmm-bounces=40ietf.org</a>=5D On Behalf Of</div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div>Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40</div>
<div>To: dmm</div>
<div>Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hello,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please</div>
<div>select your</div>
<div>prefer time in doodle.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Doodle:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D=22https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ft=
mail=3Dpoll=5Finvitecontact=5Fparticipant=5Finvitation&amp;tlink=3Dpollbt=
n=22>https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ftmail=3Dpoll=5F=
invitecontact=5Fparticipant=5Finvitation&amp;tlink=3Dpollbtn</a></div>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Dapeng&amp;Jouni</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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</div>
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<div><br>
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Hi Jouni, all,
"
      .....The protocol solutions
      should be based on existing IP mobility protocols, either host- or
      network-based, such as Mobile IPv6 [RFC6275, 5555], Proxy Mobile IPv6
      [RFC5213, 5844] and NEMO [RFC3963]. However, mobility management in a
      limited area, such as within an autonomous system, is not strictly
      limited to mentioned IP mobility protocols but can be any existing or
      a new protocol solution enabling the movement of a mobile node such
      as routing protocols....."
As my understanding for this text, DMM work group aims to realize mobility =
management by using/extending the existing host- or network-based protocols
for all the scenarios except for the limited area (relatively small network=
 as my understanding).  Right?
Thanks.
BR
Xinpeng

>-----Original Message-----
>From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 7:47 PM
>To: dmm@ietf.org
>Subject: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>
>Folks,
>
>Minor changes..
>
>https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.tx
>t
>
>IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution fro=
m
>legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>
>I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals receive=
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Can someone clarify the intent of that text?

Alper



On Jun 7, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Jouni wrote:

>=20
> Ack. John & Alper, any specific wording you want to clarify?=20
>=20
> - Jouni
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 7, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Alper Yegin wrote:
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>> Hi John,
>>=20
>> In that case we need a clarification and refinement on that text.
>>=20
>> Alper
>>=20
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:21 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:
>>=20
>>> Hi Alper,
>>> I did not intrepret it that way. The paragraph seemed broad enough =
to include both (or all) cases.
>>> I found the charter to be broad enough =96 the current text would =
support a solution regardless of the specific scenario/design.
>>>=20
>>> But, if it the text is being interpreted in a specific way, I don=92t =
have any serious reservations against clarification.   =20
>>>=20
>>> Best Regards,
>>> John
>>>=20
>>> From: Alper Yegin [mailto:alper.yegin@yegin.org]=20
>>> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 10:53 AM
>>> To: John Kaippallimalil
>>> Cc: Jouni Korhonen; dmm@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>>=20
>>> Hi John,
>>>=20
>>> My reading of that sentence is different.
>>>=20
>>> To me it says "We cannot assume that the solutions we are developing =
would be available on all networks across the Internet".
>>>=20
>>> While I'd agree with that statement, I don't know what it really =
means for our solution design.
>>> Some of our solutions may not be present in a network, hence the MN =
cannot use them. OK=85. and??
>>>=20
>>> In my reading, it does not say the following: "Network cannot always =
provide IP session continuity, hence we need to define solutions that =
can deal with this". (e.g., using MPTCP, or restarting flows, or some =
other magic, etc.).
>>> I don't think the intent of that sentence is this. And therefore, I =
don't think that sentence is related to "anchor re-selection".
>>>=20
>>> Alper
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:56 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Hi Alper, All:
>>>=20
>>> Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:
>>>     "Although the maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or =
prefix(es)
>>>      and upper level sessions is a desirable goal when mobile =
hosts/routers
>>>      change their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a =
strict
>>>      requirement. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP
>>>      addressing including home address(es) and/or home network =
prefix(es)
>>>      remain the same throughout the entire upper level session =
lifetime,
>>>      or that support for mobility functions is provided on the =
network side
>>>      in all conditions, unless these properties are specifically =
indicated
>>>      to the mobile node and its applications from the network."
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> I suppose this clarifies that the =93anchor re-selection=94 can =
apply to a single session also?
>>>=20
>>> BR,
>>> John
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
>>>> To: Jouni Korhonen
>>>> Cc: dmm@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>>>=20
>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>=20
>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one
>>>> thing.
>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's
>>>> another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic
>>>> understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for
>>>> discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of =
various
>>>> aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
>>>>=20
>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on
>>>> the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>=20
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>=20
>>>> Alper
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>>>>>=20
>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from
>>>> legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals =
received
>>>> from others.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>=20
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On Jun 9, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Weixinpeng wrote:

> Hi Jouni, all,
> "
>      .....The protocol solutions
>      should be based on existing IP mobility protocols, either host- =
or
>      network-based, such as Mobile IPv6 [RFC6275, 5555], Proxy Mobile =
IPv6
>      [RFC5213, 5844] and NEMO [RFC3963]. However, mobility management =
in a
>      limited area, such as within an autonomous system, is not =
strictly
>      limited to mentioned IP mobility protocols but can be any =
existing or
>      a new protocol solution enabling the movement of a mobile node =
such
>      as routing protocols....."
> As my understanding for this text, DMM work group aims to realize =
mobility management by using/extending the existing host- or =
network-based protocols
> for all the scenarios except for the limited area (relatively small =
network as my understanding).  Right?

The guidance above is to attempt to build on top of existing IP mobility
protocols. However, if current IP mobility protocols are unfit for the=20=

desired use case or solution, then within a closed system i.e. not =
internet
wide, basically anything goes such as routing based solutions or =
whatever
folks come up with. Here the example was AS wide (which can be quite =
large
actually). The key point the above tries to address is that whatever you =
do
in your own administered network is your own business as long as it does =
not
propagate to Internet.

- Jouni




> Thanks.
> BR
> Xinpeng
>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Subject: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>=20
>> Folks,
>>=20
>> Minor changes..
>>=20
>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.tx
>> t
>>=20
>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from
>> legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>=20
>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals =
received
>> from others.
>>=20
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>>=20
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On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:

> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>=20
> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one thing.

This we can do today.. all CMIP, PMIP, GTP allows that assuming
the new flow entails an allocation of a new home address / prefix.
Let's call this case1

> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A =
basic

This is what we had in mind when writing the "anchor re-selection".
let's call this case2. So, which "other thing" you want to scope out?=20
Case 1 or 2?

> understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation =
for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of =
various aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM =
WG.

The "PMIP" use case I had in mind is a mechanism to move all or a
subset of mobility sessions from LMA1 to LMA2 for ongoing sessions.
Geo-redundancy or just a better "topological location" could be where
such is needed. Obviously this does not need to be PMIP specific but
when looking from exiting protocols point of view, it kind of was=20
obvious choice for an example.

The re-selection involves for example making MAG (or equivalent node)
aware of the move, possibly moving the mobility state/context between
anchors and making sure traffic routing gets correct downstream to
the correct anchor (preferably no tunneling between anchors).

- Jouni


>=20
> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Alper
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>=20
>> Folks,
>>=20
>> Minor changes..
>>=20
>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>>=20
>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>=20
>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals =
received from others.
>>=20
>> - Jouni
>>=20
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On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:

> Hi John,
>=20
> My reading of that sentence is different.
>=20
> To me it says "We cannot assume that the solutions we are developing =
would be available on all networks across the Internet".

The highlighted text intend to say:
 unless the mobile node is made explicitly aware (by the network)
 of the fact that the prefix/address it got will guarantee IP session
 continuity, the mobile node cannot assume it to remain unchanged
 infinitely when doing handovers and such.. the prefix/address may
 remain unchanged e.g. within a limited are e.g. as long as the
 mobile node remains within one administrated network domain.

- JOuni





>=20
> While I'd agree with that statement, I don't know what it really means =
for our solution design.
> Some of our solutions may not be present in a network, hence the MN =
cannot use them. OK=85. and??
>=20
> In my reading, it does not say the following: "Network cannot always =
provide IP session continuity, hence we need to define solutions that =
can deal with this". (e.g., using MPTCP, or restarting flows, or some =
other magic, etc.).
> I don't think the intent of that sentence is this. And therefore, I =
don't think that sentence is related to "anchor re-selection".
>=20
> Alper
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:56 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Alper, All:
>> =20
>> Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:
>>      "Although the maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or =
prefix(es)
>>       and upper level sessions is a desirable goal when mobile =
hosts/routers
>>       change their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a =
strict
>>       requirement. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP
>>       addressing including home address(es) and/or home network =
prefix(es)
>>       remain the same throughout the entire upper level session =
lifetime,
>>       or that support for mobility functions is provided on the =
network side
>>       in all conditions, unless these properties are specifically =
indicated
>>       to the mobile node and its applications from the network."
>> =20
>> =20
>> I suppose this clarifies that the =93anchor re-selection=94 can apply =
to a single session also?
>>=20
>> BR,
>> John
>> =20
>> =20
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
>> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
>> > To: Jouni Korhonen
>> > Cc: dmm@ietf.org
>> > Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >
>> > Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>> >
>> > We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>> > If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one
>> > thing.
>> > If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's
>> > another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic
>> > understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for
>> > discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of =
various
>> > aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
>> >
>> > I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on
>> > the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Alper
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>> >
>> > > Folks,
>> > >
>> > > Minor changes..
>> > >
>> > > =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>> > >
>> > > IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from
>> > legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>> > >
>> > > I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text =
proposals received
>> > from others.
>> > >
>> > > - Jouni
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > dmm mailing list
>> > > dmm@ietf.org
>> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>> >
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Thank you Dapeng for sharing the meeting minutes.

Sri, please also share the slide you've shown during the call.
I'm hoping it'd shed some light to the so-called "re-anchoring". =
Otherwise it's still very fuzzy in my mind, and the discussion as =
captured in the meeting minutes did not help either (even if it became =
clearer to the meeting participants=E2=80=A6).=20

Alper







On Jun 8, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:

> Hello All,
>=20
> The meeting minutes of Friday teleconference is enclosed.
>=20
> --=20
> Dapeng Liu
>=20
> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E6=97=A5=EF=
=BC=8C0:39=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
>=20
>> 11pm pacific is 2am east coast us=E2=80=A6. not good=20
>> (FYI, before you guys intend to schedule something on such a time =
slot ;-)
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote:
>>=20
>>> I'm OK to move this Friday@7AM.=20
>>>=20
>>> Friday@10AM PDT is not good for folks in Asia pac region. Most folks =
cannot make it and so what is the point.
>>>=20
>>> We can generally fix on 7AM Pacific, or 11PM Pacific. IMO, these are =
the two possible slots that can works for folks in multiple regions.
>>>=20
>>> Sri
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> From: Dapeng Liu <maxpassion@gmail.com>
>>> Date: Thursday, June 5, 2014 7:42 AM
>>> To: Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@yegin.org>
>>> Cc: "dmm@ietf.org" <dmm@ietf.org>
>>> Subject: [DMM] =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A=
 =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconference
>>>=20
>>> OK, then we do not change the time for this week. For next week=E2=80=99=
s call we use the new time slot.
>>>=20
>>> --=20
>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>=20
>>> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=
=81=93=EF=BC=9A
>>>=20
>>>> redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.
>>>>=20
>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =
wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Hi Dapeng,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change now =
an
>>>>> agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, =
and now
>>>>> I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really =
cancel or
>>>>> move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for =
next
>>>>> week (not for tomorrow!!).
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> How about PST 8:00 AM Friday? It would be:
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>>>> San Francisco: 8:00 AM
>>>>>> Paris: 17:00 PM
>>>>>> Stockholm: 17:00 PM
>>>>>> Istanbul: 18:00 PM
>>>>>> Beijing: 23:00 PM
>>>>>> Tokyo: 24:00 PM
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>> San Francisco: 7:00 AM
>>>>>> Paris: 16:00 PM
>>>>>> Stockholm: 16:00 PM
>>>>>> Istanbul: 17:00 PM
>>>>>> Beijing: 22:00 PM
>>>>>> Tokyo: 23:00 PM
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Lets vote again between those two options:
>>>>>> http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all =
waste. it
>>>>>> at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on Friday :)
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =
=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
>>>>>>> Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is
>>>>>>> 3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to
>>>>>>> attend...
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1
>>>>>>> meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, =
but
>>>>>>> we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Hidetoshi Yokota
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
>>>>>>> e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> (2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Hi Alper,
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for
>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> The problem here is that we are from different continents and
>>>>>>>> there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift
>>>>>>>> timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you?
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=
=93=EF=BC=9A
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does =
not
>>>>>>>>> show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> (10am PDT is 8pm on Friday evening which is officially part of
>>>>>>>>> the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. For
>>>>>>>>> China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I =
wish we
>>>>>>>>> had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with
>>>>>>>>> this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes
>>>>>>>>> afterwards.)
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Friday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most
>>>>>>>>>> votes.
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> We will send out Webex link later.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Dapeng Liu&Jouni
>>>>>>>>>> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=
=93=EF=BC=9A
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> I modified the settings. Please try again.
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs =
Bernardos Cano
>>>>>>>>>>> =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Same here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian@cs.utwente.nl
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Danny, Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Georgios
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =
______________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Van: dmm [dmm-bounces@ietf.org] namens Moses, Danny
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [danny.moses@intel.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi. For some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I receive an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> indication that I have already voted even though I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I the only one?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Danny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 07:40
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dmm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [DMM] Teleconference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please
>>>>>>>>>>>>> select your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer time in doodle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doodle:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =
https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private?tmail=3Dpoll_invitecon=
tact_participant_invitation&tlink=3Dpollbtn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Thank =
you Dapeng for sharing the meeting minutes.<div><br></div><div>Sri, =
please also share the slide you've shown during the call.</div><div>I'm =
hoping it'd shed some light to the so-called "re-anchoring". Otherwise =
it's still very fuzzy in my mind, and the discussion as captured in the =
meeting minutes did not help either (even if it became clearer to the =
meeting =
participants=E2=80=A6).&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Alper</div><div><br=
></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 8, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Dapeng Liu =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">
                <div>
                    Hello All,
                </div><div><br></div><div>The meeting minutes of Friday =
teleconference is enclosed.</div>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng =
Liu</div><div><br></div></div><p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">=E5=9C=A8 =
2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C0:39=
=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
style=3D"border-left-style:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-=
left:10px;">
                    <span><div><div><div>11pm pacific is 2am east coast =
us=E2=80=A6. not good&nbsp;</div><div>(FYI, before you guys intend to =
schedule something on such a time slot =
;-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On =
Jun 5, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) =
wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>

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<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: =
14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">
<div>I'm OK to move this Friday@7AM.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Friday@10AM PDT is not good for folks in Asia pac region. Most =
folks cannot make it and so what is the point.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We can generally fix on 7AM Pacific, or 11PM Pacific. IMO, these =
are the two possible slots that can works for folks in multiple =
regions.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sri</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span>
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#b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Dapeng Liu &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:maxpassion@gmail.com">maxpassion@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, June 5, 2014 =
7:42 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Alper Yegin &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:alper.yegin@yegin.org">alper.yegin@yegin.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a>" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[DMM] =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=
=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=
=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconference<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>OK, then we do not change the time for this week. For next week=E2=80=
=99s call we use the new time slot.</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>--&nbsp;</div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div><p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=
=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =
=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div>redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =
wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Dapeng,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change now =
an</div>
<div>agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, and =
now</div>
<div>I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really =
cancel or</div>
<div>move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for =
next</div>
<div>week (not for tomorrow!!).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu =
wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How about PST 8:00 AM Friday? It would be:</div>
<div>---------------------------------------</div>
<div>San Francisco: 8:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 18:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 23:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 24:00 PM</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:</div>
<div>----------------------------------------</div>
<div>San Francisco: 7:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 22:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 23:00 PM</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lets vote again between those two options:</div>
<div><a =
href=3D"http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k">http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7q=
gz9k</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste. =
it</div>
<div>at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on Friday :)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =
=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for =
is</div>
<div>3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me =
to</div>
<div>attend... </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1</div>
<div>meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, =
but</div>
<div>we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Hidetoshi Yokota</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>KDDI R&amp;D Laboratories, Inc.</div>
<div>e-mail:<a =
href=3D"mailto:yokota@kddilabs.jp">yokota@kddilabs.jp</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Alper, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine =
for</div>
<div>others.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The problem here is that we are from different continents and</div>
<div>there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift</div>
<div>timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =
=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
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<div>That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does =
not</div>
<div>show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else. =
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(10am PDT is 8pm on Friday evening which is officially part =
of</div>
<div>the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. For</div>
<div>China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I wish =
we</div>
<div>had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with</div>
<div>this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes</div>
<div>afterwards.)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alper</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<div>
<div>Hello All, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Friday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most</div>
<div>votes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We will send out Webex link later. </div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu&amp;Jouni</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =
=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<div>
<div>Hello all, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I modified the settings. Please try again.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a =
href=3D"http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95">http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnb=
if95</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
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</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =
=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs =
Bernardos Cano</div>
<div>=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<div>
<div>Same here.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, <a =
href=3D"mailto:karagian@cs.utwente.nl">karagian@cs.utwente.nl</a></div>
<div>wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Georgios</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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</div>
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<div>Van: dmm [<a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>] namens =
Moses, Danny</div>
<div>[<a =
href=3D"mailto:danny.moses@intel.com">danny.moses@intel.com</a>]</div>
<div>Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41</div>
<div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</div>
<div>Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] Teleconference</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hi. For some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle</div>
<div>I receive an</div>
<div>indication that I have already voted even though I did</div>
<div>not.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Am I the only one?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>/Danny</div>
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</div>
<div><br>
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</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>From: dmm [<a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>] On =
Behalf Of</div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 07:40</div>
<div>To: dmm</div>
<div>Subject: [DMM] Teleconference</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hello,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please</div>
<div>select your</div>
<div>prefer time in doodle.</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
</div>
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invitation&amp;tlink=3Dpollbtn</a></div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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</div>
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</div>
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</div>
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<div>-- </div>
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On Jun 9, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Jouni wrote:

>=20
> On Jun 9, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Weixinpeng wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Jouni, all,
>> "
>>     .....The protocol solutions
>>     should be based on existing IP mobility protocols, either host- =
or
>>     network-based, such as Mobile IPv6 [RFC6275, 5555], Proxy Mobile =
IPv6
>>     [RFC5213, 5844] and NEMO [RFC3963]. However, mobility management =
in a
>>     limited area, such as within an autonomous system, is not =
strictly
>>     limited to mentioned IP mobility protocols but can be any =
existing or
>>     a new protocol solution enabling the movement of a mobile node =
such
>>     as routing protocols....."
>> As my understanding for this text, DMM work group aims to realize =
mobility management by using/extending the existing host- or =
network-based protocols
>> for all the scenarios except for the limited area (relatively small =
network as my understanding).  Right?
>=20
> The guidance above is to attempt to build on top of existing IP =
mobility
> protocols. However, if current IP mobility protocols are unfit for the=20=

> desired use case or solution, then within a closed system i.e. not =
internet
> wide, basically anything goes such as routing based solutions or =
whatever
> folks come up with. Here the example was AS wide (which can be quite =
large
> actually). The key point the above tries to address is that whatever =
you do
> in your own administered network is your own business as long as it =
does not
> propagate to Internet.
>=20

Basically, this says "in limited scale, a non-MIP solution may be used".
The question, for sake of clarification, is:

- Is DMM WG supposed to work on such solutions as well?
- Or, are we just acknowledging the fact that there may be such =
solutions outside the scope of DMM WG, and our solutions may have to =
co-exist with them.

Alper







> - Jouni
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> Thanks.
>> BR
>> Xinpeng
>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
>>> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 7:47 PM
>>> To: dmm@ietf.org
>>> Subject: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>>=20
>>> Folks,
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>>> Minor changes..
>>>=20
>>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.tx
>>> t
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>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from
>>> legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
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received
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DMM is supposed to work on those solutions. In a similar manner what is 
done with AAA protocols, DHCP etc.. folks outside the "protocol owning" 
WG do work and at some point of time get reviews etc from there.

- Jouni


6/9/2014 3:49 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
> Basically, this says "in limited scale, a non-MIP solution may be used".
> The question, for sake of clarification, is:
>
> - Is DMM WG supposed to work on such solutions as well?
> - Or, are we just acknowledging the fact that there may be such solutions outside the scope of DMM WG, and our solutions may have to co-exist with them.
>
> Alper
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Jouni,

OK, let's go with the PMIP example=85.

Let's say there's an ongoing flow, Flow1, via MAG1 and LMA1.

You are talking about switching LMA2 with LMA1, while maintaining MAG1 =
and not breaking Flow1 (i.e., retaining the same IP address), right?

Assuming LMA1 and LMA2 are not on the same IP subnet, then there'd need =
to be some routing trick between the LMAs and the Internet, so that IP =
traffic is steered towards LMA2 instead of LMA1. I presume this trick is =
outside the scope of DMM. Correct?

And, there needs to be context transfer between LMA1 and LMA2. Is that =
in scope of DMM?

And there needs to be a tunnel update between MAG1 and LMAs.  That's in =
scope?

=85.


If we take a step back and look at this=85 This probably deserves to be =
called "LMA-switch", or more generically "IP anchor switch". Not really =
a mere "anchor re-selection".=20

I wonder if this is proposed (perceived) as a "DMM solution", or =
something that would co-exist with DMM solutions=85

Alper








On Jun 9, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Jouni wrote:

>=20
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>=20
>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>=20
>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one thing.
>=20
> This we can do today.. all CMIP, PMIP, GTP allows that assuming
> the new flow entails an allocation of a new home address / prefix.
> Let's call this case1
>=20
>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A =
basic
>=20
> This is what we had in mind when writing the "anchor re-selection".
> let's call this case2. So, which "other thing" you want to scope out?=20=

> Case 1 or 2?
>=20
>> understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation =
for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of =
various aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM =
WG.
>=20
> The "PMIP" use case I had in mind is a mechanism to move all or a
> subset of mobility sessions from LMA1 to LMA2 for ongoing sessions.
> Geo-redundancy or just a better "topological location" could be where
> such is needed. Obviously this does not need to be PMIP specific but
> when looking from exiting protocols point of view, it kind of was=20
> obvious choice for an example.
>=20
> The re-selection involves for example making MAG (or equivalent node)
> aware of the move, possibly moving the mobility state/context between
> anchors and making sure traffic routing gets correct downstream to
> the correct anchor (preferably no tunneling between anchors).
>=20
> - Jouni
>=20
>=20
>>=20
>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>>=20
>> Alper
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>=20
>>> Folks,
>>>=20
>>> Minor changes..
>>>=20
>>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>>>=20
>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>=20
>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals =
received from others.
>>>=20
>>> - Jouni
>>>=20
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So, Jouni,

Is this saying "Some solutions' applicability may be limited to =
administrative domains (i.e., not Internet-wide)", and the point is "DMM =
WG can accept such solutions"?

Whatever the point we are trying to make, we better spell it out.

Alper




On Jun 9, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Jouni wrote:

>=20
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>=20
>> Hi John,
>>=20
>> My reading of that sentence is different.
>>=20
>> To me it says "We cannot assume that the solutions we are developing =
would be available on all networks across the Internet".
>=20
> The highlighted text intend to say:
> unless the mobile node is made explicitly aware (by the network)
> of the fact that the prefix/address it got will guarantee IP session
> continuity, the mobile node cannot assume it to remain unchanged
> infinitely when doing handovers and such.. the prefix/address may
> remain unchanged e.g. within a limited are e.g. as long as the
> mobile node remains within one administrated network domain.
>=20
> - JOuni
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>>=20
>> While I'd agree with that statement, I don't know what it really =
means for our solution design.
>> Some of our solutions may not be present in a network, hence the MN =
cannot use them. OK=85. and??
>>=20
>> In my reading, it does not say the following: "Network cannot always =
provide IP session continuity, hence we need to define solutions that =
can deal with this". (e.g., using MPTCP, or restarting flows, or some =
other magic, etc.).
>> I don't think the intent of that sentence is this. And therefore, I =
don't think that sentence is related to "anchor re-selection".
>>=20
>> Alper
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:56 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:
>>=20
>>> Hi Alper, All:
>>>=20
>>> Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:
>>>     "Although the maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or =
prefix(es)
>>>      and upper level sessions is a desirable goal when mobile =
hosts/routers
>>>      change their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a =
strict
>>>      requirement. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP
>>>      addressing including home address(es) and/or home network =
prefix(es)
>>>      remain the same throughout the entire upper level session =
lifetime,
>>>      or that support for mobility functions is provided on the =
network side
>>>      in all conditions, unless these properties are specifically =
indicated
>>>      to the mobile node and its applications from the network."
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> I suppose this clarifies that the =93anchor re-selection=94 can =
apply to a single session also?
>>>=20
>>> BR,
>>> John
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
>>>> To: Jouni Korhonen
>>>> Cc: dmm@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>>>=20
>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>=20
>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one
>>>> thing.
>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's
>>>> another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic
>>>> understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for
>>>> discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of =
various
>>>> aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
>>>>=20
>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on
>>>> the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>=20
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>=20
>>>> Alper
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>>>>>=20
>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from
>>>> legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals =
received
>>>> from others.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>=20
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>>>=20
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Alper,

Hmm, I already read it in a way myself I said below but that seems to be 
only me. I'll try to reformulate the text..

- Jouni

6/9/2014 4:24 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
> So, Jouni,
>
> Is this saying "Some solutions' applicability may be limited to administrative domains (i.e., not Internet-wide)", and the point is "DMM WG can accept such solutions"?
>
> Whatever the point we are trying to make, we better spell it out.
>
> Alper
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Jouni wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> My reading of that sentence is different.
>>>
>>> To me it says "We cannot assume that the solutions we are developing would be available on all networks across the Internet".
>>
>> The highlighted text intend to say:
>> unless the mobile node is made explicitly aware (by the network)
>> of the fact that the prefix/address it got will guarantee IP session
>> continuity, the mobile node cannot assume it to remain unchanged
>> infinitely when doing handovers and such.. the prefix/address may
>> remain unchanged e.g. within a limited are e.g. as long as the
>> mobile node remains within one administrated network domain.
>>
>> - JOuni
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> While I'd agree with that statement, I don't know what it really means for our solution design.
>>> Some of our solutions may not be present in a network, hence the MN cannot use them. OK…. and??
>>>
>>> In my reading, it does not say the following: "Network cannot always provide IP session continuity, hence we need to define solutions that can deal with this". (e.g., using MPTCP, or restarting flows, or some other magic, etc.).
>>> I don't think the intent of that sentence is this. And therefore, I don't think that sentence is related to "anchor re-selection".
>>>
>>> Alper
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:56 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Alper, All:
>>>>
>>>> Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:
>>>>      "Although the maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or prefix(es)
>>>>       and upper level sessions is a desirable goal when mobile hosts/routers
>>>>       change their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a strict
>>>>       requirement. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP
>>>>       addressing including home address(es) and/or home network prefix(es)
>>>>       remain the same throughout the entire upper level session lifetime,
>>>>       or that support for mobility functions is provided on the network side
>>>>       in all conditions, unless these properties are specifically indicated
>>>>       to the mobile node and its applications from the network."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I suppose this clarifies that the “anchor re-selection” can apply to a single session also?
>>>>
>>>> BR,
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
>>>>> To: Jouni Korhonen
>>>>> Cc: dmm@ietf.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that's one
>>>>> thing.
>>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that's
>>>>> another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic
>>>>> understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation for
>>>>> discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of various
>>>>> aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
>>>>>
>>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow up on
>>>>> the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Alper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution from
>>>>> legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals received
>>>>> from others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>
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Alper,

6/9/2014 4:21 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
> Jouni,
>
> OK, let's go with the PMIP example….
>
> Let's say there's an ongoing flow, Flow1, via MAG1 and LMA1.
>
> You are talking about switching LMA2 with LMA1, while maintaining MAG1 and not breaking Flow1 (i.e., retaining the same IP address), right?

Yes. (except that retaining the IP address depends on the use case)

> Assuming LMA1 and LMA2 are not on the same IP subnet, then there'd need to be some routing trick between the LMAs and the Internet, so that IP traffic is steered towards LMA2 instead of LMA1. I presume this trick is outside the scope of DMM. Correct?

Routing trick is probably needed, yes. If the current toolbox outside 
DMM is not adequeate, DMM could well define, for example, an extension 
to some popular IGP.

>
> And, there needs to be context transfer between LMA1 and LMA2. Is that in scope of DMM?

Context transfer is probably needed, yes. Whether that is in scope of 
DMM depends.. the context is typically rather system / vendor specific, 
I would lean towards context being outside DMM. If someone insists, 
defininig a set of "mandatory" information elements could do. However, 
the value of such document is debateable.

>
> And there needs to be a tunnel update between MAG1 and LMAs.  That's in scope?

I would assume, in the example PMIP case, the current stuff there is, is 
not enough. So for IETF defined protocols such as PMIP there would 
potentially be enhancements required (or clarifying the use of existing 
mechanisms in a new use case).

>
> ….
>
>
> If we take a step back and look at this… This probably deserves to be called "LMA-switch", or more generically "IP anchor switch". Not really a mere "anchor re-selection".

Fine.

>
> I wonder if this is proposed (perceived) as a "DMM solution", or something that would co-exist with DMM solutions…

Good question. I rather see it myself as a transition solution to 
something more DMMish, so "co-existing" would suite better. Others may 
have different opinions.

- Jouni


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> Alper
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Jouni wrote:
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>>
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>
>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that's one thing.
>>
>> This we can do today.. all CMIP, PMIP, GTP allows that assuming
>> the new flow entails an allocation of a new home address / prefix.
>> Let's call this case1
>>
>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic
>>
>> This is what we had in mind when writing the "anchor re-selection".
>> let's call this case2. So, which "other thing" you want to scope out?
>> Case 1 or 2?
>>
>>> understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
>>
>> The "PMIP" use case I had in mind is a mechanism to move all or a
>> subset of mobility sessions from LMA1 to LMA2 for ongoing sessions.
>> Geo-redundancy or just a better "topological location" could be where
>> such is needed. Obviously this does not need to be PMIP specific but
>> when looking from exiting protocols point of view, it kind of was
>> obvious choice for an example.
>>
>> The re-selection involves for example making MAG (or equivalent node)
>> aware of the move, possibly moving the mobility state/context between
>> anchors and making sure traffic routing gets correct downstream to
>> the correct anchor (preferably no tunneling between anchors).
>>
>> - Jouni
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Alper
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>>>>
>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals received from others.
>>>>
>>>> - Jouni
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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Hi Jouni,

I can see it now=85.=20
A solution where IGP and PMIP are used hand-in-hand within a domain=85.=20=

IGP is used between the border gateway and the LMA, PMIP is used between =
the LMA and MAG.
This solution allows LMA switch.=20


I'd say, this is a valid solution that deserves consideration.
But I'd also say that this goes into the same bin as several other =
solutions.
In other words, it's already captured in the scope w/o any special =
designation (such as "anchor re-selection").

I recommend we recognize that this is a possible candidate solution, and =
not refer to "anchor re-selection" in the charter.
If someone wants to keep that term in the charter, then we need to =
change it to something more representative of the intent, and then =
discuss why this type of a solution deserves a dedicated deliverable in =
the charter.

Alper










On Jun 9, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:

> Alper,
>=20
> 6/9/2014 4:21 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>> Jouni,
>>=20
>> OK, let's go with the PMIP example=85.
>>=20
>> Let's say there's an ongoing flow, Flow1, via MAG1 and LMA1.
>>=20
>> You are talking about switching LMA2 with LMA1, while maintaining =
MAG1 and not breaking Flow1 (i.e., retaining the same IP address), =
right?
>=20
> Yes. (except that retaining the IP address depends on the use case)
>=20
>> Assuming LMA1 and LMA2 are not on the same IP subnet, then there'd =
need to be some routing trick between the LMAs and the Internet, so that =
IP traffic is steered towards LMA2 instead of LMA1. I presume this trick =
is outside the scope of DMM. Correct?
>=20
> Routing trick is probably needed, yes. If the current toolbox outside =
DMM is not adequeate, DMM could well define, for example, an extension =
to some popular IGP.
>=20
>>=20
>> And, there needs to be context transfer between LMA1 and LMA2. Is =
that in scope of DMM?
>=20
> Context transfer is probably needed, yes. Whether that is in scope of =
DMM depends.. the context is typically rather system / vendor specific, =
I would lean towards context being outside DMM. If someone insists, =
defininig a set of "mandatory" information elements could do. However, =
the value of such document is debateable.
>=20
>>=20
>> And there needs to be a tunnel update between MAG1 and LMAs.  That's =
in scope?
>=20
> I would assume, in the example PMIP case, the current stuff there is, =
is not enough. So for IETF defined protocols such as PMIP there would =
potentially be enhancements required (or clarifying the use of existing =
mechanisms in a new use case).
>=20
>>=20
>> =85.
>>=20
>>=20
>> If we take a step back and look at this=85 This probably deserves to =
be called "LMA-switch", or more generically "IP anchor switch". Not =
really a mere "anchor re-selection".
>=20
> Fine.
>=20
>>=20
>> I wonder if this is proposed (perceived) as a "DMM solution", or =
something that would co-exist with DMM solutions=85
>=20
> Good question. I rather see it myself as a transition solution to =
something more DMMish, so "co-existing" would suite better. Others may =
have different opinions.
>=20
> - Jouni
>=20
>=20
>>=20
>> Alper
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jun 9, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Jouni wrote:
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>=20
>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one thing.
>>>=20
>>> This we can do today.. all CMIP, PMIP, GTP allows that assuming
>>> the new flow entails an allocation of a new home address / prefix.
>>> Let's call this case1
>>>=20
>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A =
basic
>>>=20
>>> This is what we had in mind when writing the "anchor re-selection".
>>> let's call this case2. So, which "other thing" you want to scope =
out?
>>> Case 1 or 2?
>>>=20
>>>> understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and =
identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to =
work items for DMM WG.
>>>=20
>>> The "PMIP" use case I had in mind is a mechanism to move all or a
>>> subset of mobility sessions from LMA1 to LMA2 for ongoing sessions.
>>> Geo-redundancy or just a better "topological location" could be =
where
>>> such is needed. Obviously this does not need to be PMIP specific but
>>> when looking from exiting protocols point of view, it kind of was
>>> obvious choice for an example.
>>>=20
>>> The re-selection involves for example making MAG (or equivalent =
node)
>>> aware of the move, possibly moving the mobility state/context =
between
>>> anchors and making sure traffic routing gets correct downstream to
>>> the correct anchor (preferably no tunneling between anchors).
>>>=20
>>> - Jouni
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>=20
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>=20
>>>> Alper
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>>>>>=20
>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals =
received from others.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>=20
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>=20


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Hi,

Title of the presentation will be:

Next-Generation POP: a driver for DMM

Pierrick

De : dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Alper Yegin
Envoy=E9 : mardi 10 juin 2014 10:45
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Objet : [DMM] Next-Generation Mobility Protocols and Architectures, Call #5


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I suggest the following for the protocol maintenance part:=20

 -------- OLD TEXT ------------
The DMM working group will also work on maintenance-oriented and
      incremental extensions to the Mobile IPv6 protocol, specified
      in RFC 5213, RFC 5844, and RFC 6275.

   -------- NEW TEXT -------------

The DMM working group will also work on maintenance-oriented and
      incremental extensions to the IPv6 Mobility protocols, specified
      in RFC 5213, RFC 5844, RFC 3963, RFC 5555 and RFC 6275.

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>De=A0: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Jouni Korhonen
>Envoy=E9=A0: lundi 9 juin 2014 15:52
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>Objet=A0: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
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>
>Alper,
>
>Hmm, I already read it in a way myself I said below but that seems to be o=
nly
>me. I'll try to reformulate the text..
>
>- Jouni
>
>6/9/2014 4:24 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>> So, Jouni,
>>
>> Is this saying "Some solutions' applicability may be limited to administ=
rative
>domains (i.e., not Internet-wide)", and the point is "DMM WG can accept su=
ch
>solutions"?
>>
>> Whatever the point we are trying to make, we better spell it out.
>>
>> Alper
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Jouni wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> My reading of that sentence is different.
>>>>
>>>> To me it says "We cannot assume that the solutions we are developing
>would be available on all networks across the Internet".
>>>
>>> The highlighted text intend to say:
>>> unless the mobile node is made explicitly aware (by the network) of
>>> the fact that the prefix/address it got will guarantee IP session
>>> continuity, the mobile node cannot assume it to remain unchanged
>>> infinitely when doing handovers and such.. the prefix/address may
>>> remain unchanged e.g. within a limited are e.g. as long as the mobile
>>> node remains within one administrated network domain.
>>>
>>> - JOuni
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> While I'd agree with that statement, I don't know what it really means=
 for
>our solution design.
>>>> Some of our solutions may not be present in a network, hence the MN
>cannot use them. OK.. and??
>>>>
>>>> In my reading, it does not say the following: "Network cannot always
>provide IP session continuity, hence we need to define solutions that can =
deal
>with this". (e.g., using MPTCP, or restarting flows, or some other magic, =
etc.).
>>>> I don't think the intent of that sentence is this. And therefore, I do=
n't
>think that sentence is related to "anchor re-selection".
>>>>
>>>> Alper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:56 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Alper, All:
>>>>>
>>>>> Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:
>>>>>      "Although the maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or
>prefix(es)
>>>>>       and upper level sessions is a desirable goal when mobile
>hosts/routers
>>>>>       change their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a s=
trict
>>>>>       requirement. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP
>>>>>       addressing including home address(es) and/or home network
>prefix(es)
>>>>>       remain the same throughout the entire upper level session lifet=
ime,
>>>>>       or that support for mobility functions is provided on the netwo=
rk side
>>>>>       in all conditions, unless these properties are specifically ind=
icated
>>>>>       to the mobile node and its applications from the network."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose this clarifies that the "anchor re-selection" can apply to a
>single session also?
>>>>>
>>>>> BR,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
>>>>>> To: Jouni Korhonen
>>>>>> Cc: dmm@ietf.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows,
>>>>>> that's one thing.
>>>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow,
>>>>>> that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out.
>>>>>> A basic understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an
>>>>>> explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and
>>>>>> identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to
>work items for DMM WG.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion.
>>>>>> Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-
>charter/blob/master/recharter_
>>>>>>> draft.txt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any
>>>>>>> solution from
>>>>>> legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text
>>>>>>> proposals received
>>>>>> from others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>
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Right, RFC5555 should be there.

- Jouni

6/10/2014 3:56 PM, pierrick.seite@orange.com kirjoitti:
> I suggest the following for the protocol maintenance part:
>
>   -------- OLD TEXT ------------
> The DMM working group will also work on maintenance-oriented and
>        incremental extensions to the Mobile IPv6 protocol, specified
>        in RFC 5213, RFC 5844, and RFC 6275.
>
>     -------- NEW TEXT -------------
>
> The DMM working group will also work on maintenance-oriented and
>        incremental extensions to the IPv6 Mobility protocols, specified
>        in RFC 5213, RFC 5844, RFC 3963, RFC 5555 and RFC 6275.
>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Jouni Korhonen
>> Envoyé : lundi 9 juin 2014 15:52
>> À : Alper Yegin
>> Cc : dmm@ietf.org
>> Objet : Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>
>>
>> Alper,
>>
>> Hmm, I already read it in a way myself I said below but that seems to be only
>> me. I'll try to reformulate the text..
>>
>> - Jouni
>>
>> 6/9/2014 4:24 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>>> So, Jouni,
>>>
>>> Is this saying "Some solutions' applicability may be limited to administrative
>> domains (i.e., not Internet-wide)", and the point is "DMM WG can accept such
>> solutions"?
>>>
>>> Whatever the point we are trying to make, we better spell it out.
>>>
>>> Alper
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Jouni wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>
>>>>> My reading of that sentence is different.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me it says "We cannot assume that the solutions we are developing
>> would be available on all networks across the Internet".
>>>>
>>>> The highlighted text intend to say:
>>>> unless the mobile node is made explicitly aware (by the network) of
>>>> the fact that the prefix/address it got will guarantee IP session
>>>> continuity, the mobile node cannot assume it to remain unchanged
>>>> infinitely when doing handovers and such.. the prefix/address may
>>>> remain unchanged e.g. within a limited are e.g. as long as the mobile
>>>> node remains within one administrated network domain.
>>>>
>>>> - JOuni
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> While I'd agree with that statement, I don't know what it really means for
>> our solution design.
>>>>> Some of our solutions may not be present in a network, hence the MN
>> cannot use them. OK.. and??
>>>>>
>>>>> In my reading, it does not say the following: "Network cannot always
>> provide IP session continuity, hence we need to define solutions that can deal
>> with this". (e.g., using MPTCP, or restarting flows, or some other magic, etc.).
>>>>> I don't think the intent of that sentence is this. And therefore, I don't
>> think that sentence is related to "anchor re-selection".
>>>>>
>>>>> Alper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:56 PM, John Kaippallimalil wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Alper, All:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Towards the end of the charter, there is a paragraph that states:
>>>>>>       "Although the maintenance of stable home address(es) and/or
>> prefix(es)
>>>>>>        and upper level sessions is a desirable goal when mobile
>> hosts/routers
>>>>>>        change their point of attachment to the Internet, it is not a strict
>>>>>>        requirement. Mobile hosts/routers should not assume that IP
>>>>>>        addressing including home address(es) and/or home network
>> prefix(es)
>>>>>>        remain the same throughout the entire upper level session lifetime,
>>>>>>        or that support for mobility functions is provided on the network side
>>>>>>        in all conditions, unless these properties are specifically indicated
>>>>>>        to the mobile node and its applications from the network."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose this clarifies that the "anchor re-selection" can apply to a
>> single session also?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BR,
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
>>>>>>> To: Jouni Korhonen
>>>>>>> Cc: dmm@ietf.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows,
>>>>>>> that's one thing.
>>>>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow,
>>>>>>> that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out.
>>>>>>> A basic understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an
>>>>>>> explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and
>>>>>>> identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to
>> work items for DMM WG.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion.
>>>>>>> Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-
>> charter/blob/master/recharter_
>>>>>>>> draft.txt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any
>>>>>>>> solution from
>>>>>>> legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text
>>>>>>>> proposals received
>>>>>>> from others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>>
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Alper,

6/9/2014 5:41 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
> Hi Jouni,
>
> I can see it now….
> A solution where IGP and PMIP are used hand-in-hand within a domain….
> IGP is used between the border gateway and the LMA, PMIP is used between the LMA and MAG.
> This solution allows LMA switch.
>
>
> I'd say, this is a valid solution that deserves consideration.
> But I'd also say that this goes into the same bin as several other solutions.
> In other words, it's already captured in the scope w/o any special designation (such as "anchor re-selection").
>
> I recommend we recognize that this is a possible candidate solution, and not refer to "anchor re-selection" in the charter.
> If someone wants to keep that term in the charter, then we need to change it to something more representative of the intent, and then discuss why this type of a solution deserves a dedicated deliverable in the charter.

Right. I am not persistent with the "re-selection" naming or it being 
explicitly mentioned in the charter body text. I am fine acknowledging 
that any work around mobility anchors in "legacy" sense falls under the 
maintenance part of the charter:

       The DMM working group will also work on maintenance-oriented and
       incremental extensions to the Mobile IPv6 protocol, specified
       in RFC 5213, RFC 5844, RFC 5555, and RFC 6275.

Given the above use case we should have a milestone for this though.



- Jouni


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> Alper
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> On Jun 9, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
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>> Alper,
>>
>> 6/9/2014 4:21 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>>> Jouni,
>>>
>>> OK, let's go with the PMIP example….
>>>
>>> Let's say there's an ongoing flow, Flow1, via MAG1 and LMA1.
>>>
>>> You are talking about switching LMA2 with LMA1, while maintaining MAG1 and not breaking Flow1 (i.e., retaining the same IP address), right?
>>
>> Yes. (except that retaining the IP address depends on the use case)
>>
>>> Assuming LMA1 and LMA2 are not on the same IP subnet, then there'd need to be some routing trick between the LMAs and the Internet, so that IP traffic is steered towards LMA2 instead of LMA1. I presume this trick is outside the scope of DMM. Correct?
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>> Routing trick is probably needed, yes. If the current toolbox outside DMM is not adequeate, DMM could well define, for example, an extension to some popular IGP.
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>>> And, there needs to be context transfer between LMA1 and LMA2. Is that in scope of DMM?
>>
>> Context transfer is probably needed, yes. Whether that is in scope of DMM depends.. the context is typically rather system / vendor specific, I would lean towards context being outside DMM. If someone insists, defininig a set of "mandatory" information elements could do. However, the value of such document is debateable.
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>>> And there needs to be a tunnel update between MAG1 and LMAs.  That's in scope?
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>> I would assume, in the example PMIP case, the current stuff there is, is not enough. So for IETF defined protocols such as PMIP there would potentially be enhancements required (or clarifying the use of existing mechanisms in a new use case).
>>
>>>
>>> ….
>>>
>>>
>>> If we take a step back and look at this… This probably deserves to be called "LMA-switch", or more generically "IP anchor switch". Not really a mere "anchor re-selection".
>>
>> Fine.
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>>>
>>> I wonder if this is proposed (perceived) as a "DMM solution", or something that would co-exist with DMM solutions…
>>
>> Good question. I rather see it myself as a transition solution to something more DMMish, so "co-existing" would suite better. Others may have different opinions.
>>
>> - Jouni
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>>> Alper
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>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Jouni wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that's one thing.
>>>>
>>>> This we can do today.. all CMIP, PMIP, GTP allows that assuming
>>>> the new flow entails an allocation of a new home address / prefix.
>>>> Let's call this case1
>>>>
>>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic
>>>>
>>>> This is what we had in mind when writing the "anchor re-selection".
>>>> let's call this case2. So, which "other thing" you want to scope out?
>>>> Case 1 or 2?
>>>>
>>>>> understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
>>>>
>>>> The "PMIP" use case I had in mind is a mechanism to move all or a
>>>> subset of mobility sessions from LMA1 to LMA2 for ongoing sessions.
>>>> Geo-redundancy or just a better "topological location" could be where
>>>> such is needed. Obviously this does not need to be PMIP specific but
>>>> when looking from exiting protocols point of view, it kind of was
>>>> obvious choice for an example.
>>>>
>>>> The re-selection involves for example making MAG (or equivalent node)
>>>> aware of the move, possibly moving the mobility state/context between
>>>> anchors and making sure traffic routing gets correct downstream to
>>>> the correct anchor (preferably no tunneling between anchors).
>>>>
>>>> - Jouni
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Alper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals received from others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>


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A heavily updated charter text in the github. I am not sure it addresses 
all wording concerns folks had. But.. flame on ;)

Reading the telco notes I realize I do not have nor have seen the slides 
shown during the call, so probably the "re-anchoring" sanitization in 
the charter text went too far compared what was discussed in the call. 
Please check.

If you have concerns on the milestones and specifically their timeline, 
express your opinion with a new month+year combination.

The cooperation with other WGs is heavily reworded. Basically it says 
now that DMM can mock other protocols but those then need review & 
ratification from the protocol "owning" WG, just like commonly done with 
DHCP & RADIUS.

Routing based solutions are now explicitly stated to be restricted to 
IGP routing domain and must not propagate routing updates outside the 
IGP routing domain.

Regarding the "enhanced mobility anchoring" milestone that could also be 
put under maintenance:

   Work items related to the PMIPv6 maintenance include:

    o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a
      gateway and mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility
      anchor switching that go beyond what has been, for example,
      described in RFC 6097, 6463, and 5142. The solution should also
      define a mechanism for preserving ongoing mobility sessions in a
      single administrative or IGP routing domain, which would involve
      directing traffic towards the new anchor.

Opinions?


- Jouni



6/6/2014 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>
> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that's one thing.
> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
>
> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alper
>
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Minor changes..
>>
>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>>
>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>
>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals received from others.
>>
>> - Jouni
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> dmm mailing list
>> dmm@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
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Hi Jouni,

Thank you for the revision.

Here are my comments:


      When extending non- IP mobility protocols, solutions should be
      reviewed and ratified by the WGs having the "ownership" of those
      protocols.

I think you mean "protocols that are not based on Mobile IP" instead of =
"non-IP mobility protocols".



      Although Internet-wide maintenance of the stable home address(es) =
or prefix(es)
      is a desirable goal when mobile hosts/routers change their point =
of
      attachment to the network, it is not a strict requirement on the =
DMM solutions. Mobile
      hosts/routers should not assume that the home address(es) and/or
      home network prefix(es) remain the same throughout the entire
      application level session lifetime, unless such property is =
indicated
      to the mobile node/router and its applications from the network.

Inserted the red text above.


      If the network or the mobile host/router do not
      support the distributed mobility management enabling protocol that
      should not prevent the mobile host/router gaining basic (i.e., =
nomadic) access to the
      network.


Red text again=85


      o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a =
gateway and
        mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility anchor =
switching
        that go beyond what has been, for example, described in RFC =
6097, 6463,
        and 5142. The solution should also define a mechanism for =
preserving
        ongoing mobility sessions in a single administrative or IGP =
routing
        domain, which would involve directing traffic towards the new =
anchor.
       =20
      o Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility agent =
that handles
        the mobility signalling interacts with the network elements in =
the DMM network
        for managing the forwarding state associated with a mobile =
node's IP traffic.
        These two functions may or may not be collocated. Furthermore, =
the forwarding
        state may also be distributed into multiple network elements =
instead of a
        single anchor like network element. Define required protocol =
extensions to
        allow described forwarding path and signalling management.


These above two seem inseparable.=20
I recommend we list them as one item.
(The separation was between "anchor selection" and "data-path management =
signaling" before. At that time, it was a clearer separation. But even =
at that time I was suggesting combining the two items. In this latest =
text, the separation got blurred. The title of the first item, along =
with references to "switching", "preserving sessions", "directing =
traffic" all point to the context of the second one=85)
We can note that separate anchor discovery & selection drafts may be =
produced (opening the door for split documents, while not forcing people =
to split any solution into two parts because the charter said so..)


Alper



On Jun 11, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:

>=20
> A heavily updated charter text in the github. I am not sure it =
addresses all wording concerns folks had. But.. flame on ;)
>=20
> Reading the telco notes I realize I do not have nor have seen the =
slides shown during the call, so probably the "re-anchoring" =
sanitization in the charter text went too far compared what was =
discussed in the call. Please check.
>=20
> If you have concerns on the milestones and specifically their =
timeline, express your opinion with a new month+year combination.
>=20
> The cooperation with other WGs is heavily reworded. Basically it says =
now that DMM can mock other protocols but those then need review & =
ratification from the protocol "owning" WG, just like commonly done with =
DHCP & RADIUS.
>=20
> Routing based solutions are now explicitly stated to be restricted to =
IGP routing domain and must not propagate routing updates outside the =
IGP routing domain.
>=20
> Regarding the "enhanced mobility anchoring" milestone that could also =
be put under maintenance:
>=20
>  Work items related to the PMIPv6 maintenance include:
>=20
>   o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a
>     gateway and mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility
>     anchor switching that go beyond what has been, for example,
>     described in RFC 6097, 6463, and 5142. The solution should also
>     define a mechanism for preserving ongoing mobility sessions in a
>     single administrative or IGP routing domain, which would involve
>     directing traffic towards the new anchor.
>=20
> Opinions?
>=20
>=20
> - Jouni
>=20
>=20
>=20
> 6/6/2014 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>=20
>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one thing.
>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A =
basic understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and =
identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to =
work items for DMM WG.
>>=20
>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>>=20
>> Alper
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>=20
>>> Folks,
>>>=20
>>> Minor changes..
>>>=20
>>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>>>=20
>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>=20
>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals =
received from others.
>>>=20
>>> - Jouni
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dmm mailing list
>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>=20


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color: rgb(51, 50, 51); ">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;When extending non- =
IP mobility protocols, solutions should be</div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: =
normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;reviewed and ratified by the WGs =
having the "ownership" of those</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;protocols.</div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); ">I think =
you mean "protocols that are not based on Mobile IP" instead of "non-IP =
mobility protocols".</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
"><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Consolas; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Consolas; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: =
rgb(51, 50, 51); ">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Although </span><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#ff0000">Internet-wide</font><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#333233"> maintenance of the stable =
home address(es) or prefix(es)</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: =
normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;is a desirable goal when mobile =
hosts/routers change their point of</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;attachment to the network, it is =
not a strict requirement</span><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
color=3D"#ff0000"> on the DMM solutions</font><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#333233">. Mobile</font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;hosts/routers should not assume =
that the home address(es) and/or</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;home network prefix(es) remain the =
same throughout the entire</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;application level session =
lifetime, unless such property is indicated</div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: =
normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;to the mobile node/router and its =
applications from the network.</div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
"><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); ">Inserted the red text =
above.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); ">&nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;If the network or the mobile host/router do =
not</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;support the distributed mobility =
management enabling protocol that</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; "><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;should not prevent the mobile =
host/router gaining </span><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
color=3D"#ff0000">basic (i.e., nomadic)</font><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#333233"> access to =
the</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;network.</div></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
"><br></div><div>Red text =
again=85</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top:=
 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: =
normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;o&nbsp;Enhanced mobility anchoring: define =
protocol solutions for a gateway and</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal =
normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;mobility anchor =
assignment and mid-session mobility anchor switching</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;that go beyond what =
has been, for example, described in RFC 6097, 6463,</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;and 5142. The solution =
should also define a mechanism for preserving</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ongoing mobility =
sessions in a single administrative or IGP routing</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;domain, which would =
involve directing traffic towards the new anchor.</div><p style=3D"margin:=
 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Consolas; color: =
#333233">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); ">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;o =
Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility agent that =
handles</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the mobility =
signalling interacts with the network elements in the DMM =
network</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal =
12px/normal Consolas; color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;for managing the =
forwarding state associated with a mobile node's IP traffic.</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;These two functions =
may or may not be collocated. Furthermore, the forwarding</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;state may also be =
distributed into multiple network elements instead of a</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;single anchor like =
network element. Define required protocol extensions to</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Consolas; =
color: rgb(51, 50, 51); =
">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;allow described =
forwarding path and signalling =
management.</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>These above =
two seem inseparable.&nbsp;</div><div>I recommend we list them as one =
item.</div><div>(The separation was between "anchor selection" and =
"data-path management signaling" before. At that time, it was a clearer =
separation. But even at that time I was suggesting combining the two =
items. In this latest text, the separation got blurred. The title of the =
first item, along with references to "switching", "preserving sessions", =
"directing traffic" all point to the context of the second =
one=85)</div><div>We can note that separate anchor discovery &amp; =
selection drafts may be produced (opening the door for split documents, =
while not forcing people to split any solution into two parts because =
the charter said =
so..)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Alper</div><div><br></div><d=
iv><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 11, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Jouni =
Korhonen wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div><br>A heavily updated charter text in the github. I =
am not sure it addresses all wording concerns folks had. But.. flame on =
;)<br><br>Reading the telco notes I realize I do not have nor have seen =
the slides shown during the call, so probably the "re-anchoring" =
sanitization in the charter text went too far compared what was =
discussed in the call. Please check.<br><br>If you have concerns on the =
milestones and specifically their timeline, express your opinion with a =
new month+year combination.<br><br>The cooperation with other WGs is =
heavily reworded. Basically it says now that DMM can mock other =
protocols but those then need review &amp; ratification from the =
protocol "owning" WG, just like commonly done with DHCP &amp; =
RADIUS.<br><br>Routing based solutions are now explicitly stated to be =
restricted to IGP routing domain and must not propagate routing updates =
outside the IGP routing domain.<br><br>Regarding the "enhanced mobility =
anchoring" milestone that could also be put under maintenance:<br><br> =
&nbsp;Work items related to the PMIPv6 maintenance include:<br><br> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for =
a<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;gateway and mobility anchor assignment and =
mid-session mobility<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;anchor switching that =
go beyond what has been, for example,<br> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;described in RFC 6097, 6463, and 5142. The =
solution should also<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;define a mechanism for =
preserving ongoing mobility sessions in a<br> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;single administrative or IGP routing domain, =
which would involve<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;directing traffic =
towards the new anchor.<br><br>Opinions?<br><br><br>- =
Jouni<br><br><br><br>6/6/2014 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin =
kirjoitti:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hello Jouni, DMM =
folks,<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">We better =
clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands =
for.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">If it is about selecting =
different anchors for different IP flows, that's one =
thing.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">If it is about changing =
the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that's another thing. And =
that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic understanding of a use =
case would be appreciated (just an explanation for discussion, I'm not =
asking for another I-D!), and identification of various aspects of that =
scenario which translate to work items for DMM =
WG.<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite">I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a =
discussion. Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be =
good.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Cheers,<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Alper<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jun 6, 2014, =
at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Folks,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Minor =
changes..<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><a =
href=3D"https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_d=
raft.txt">https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter=
_draft.txt</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">IMHO..the charter as it is =
today, would allow pretty much any solution from legacy anchoring to =
herd of pigeons carrying IP.. =
;-)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I have put in editorial changes =
of my own and clear text proposals received from =
others.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">- =
Jouni<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockqu=
ote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">dmm =
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><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><a =
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Alper,

On Jun 11, 2014, at 3:10 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:

> Hi Jouni,
>=20
> Thank you for the revision.
>=20
> Here are my comments:
>=20
>=20
>       When extending non- IP mobility protocols, solutions should be
>       reviewed and ratified by the WGs having the "ownership" of those
>       protocols.
>=20
> I think you mean "protocols that are not based on Mobile IP" instead =
of "non-IP mobility protocols".

Ok.

>       Although Internet-wide maintenance of the stable home =
address(es) or prefix(es)
>       is a desirable goal when mobile hosts/routers change their point =
of
>       attachment to the network, it is not a strict requirement on the =
DMM solutions. Mobile
>       hosts/routers should not assume that the home address(es) and/or
>       home network prefix(es) remain the same throughout the entire
>       application level session lifetime, unless such property is =
indicated
>       to the mobile node/router and its applications from the network.
>=20
> Inserted the red text above.

Ok.

>       If the network or the mobile host/router do not
>       support the distributed mobility management enabling protocol =
that
>       should not prevent the mobile host/router gaining basic (i.e., =
nomadic) access to the
>       network.
>=20
>=20
> Red text again=85

Ok again.

>       o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a =
gateway and
>         mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility anchor =
switching
>         that go beyond what has been, for example, described in RFC =
6097, 6463,
>         and 5142. The solution should also define a mechanism for =
preserving
>         ongoing mobility sessions in a single administrative or IGP =
routing
>         domain, which would involve directing traffic towards the new =
anchor.
>        =20
>       o Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility agent =
that handles
>         the mobility signalling interacts with the network elements in =
the DMM network
>         for managing the forwarding state associated with a mobile =
node's IP traffic.
>         These two functions may or may not be collocated. Furthermore, =
the forwarding
>         state may also be distributed into multiple network elements =
instead of a
>         single anchor like network element. Define required protocol =
extensions to
>         allow described forwarding path and signalling management.
>=20
>=20
> These above two seem inseparable.=20
> I recommend we list them as one item.

Hrmph.. not sure I agree.

> (The separation was between "anchor selection" and "data-path =
management signaling" before. At that time, it was a clearer separation. =
But even at that time I was suggesting combining the two items. In this =
latest text, the separation got blurred. The title of the first item, =
along with references to "switching", "preserving sessions", "directing =
traffic" all point to the context of the second one=85)

I see your point/concern. Since I (personally) see the enhanced mobility =
anchoring more towards maintenance work, I am tempted to have these two =
different milestones from the beginning. We could remove the last =
sentence of the anchoring milestone..

- Jouni


> We can note that separate anchor discovery & selection drafts may be =
produced (opening the door for split documents, while not forcing people =
to split any solution into two parts because the charter said so..)
>=20
>=20
> Alper
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 11, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>=20
>>=20
>> A heavily updated charter text in the github. I am not sure it =
addresses all wording concerns folks had. But.. flame on ;)
>>=20
>> Reading the telco notes I realize I do not have nor have seen the =
slides shown during the call, so probably the "re-anchoring" =
sanitization in the charter text went too far compared what was =
discussed in the call. Please check.
>>=20
>> If you have concerns on the milestones and specifically their =
timeline, express your opinion with a new month+year combination.
>>=20
>> The cooperation with other WGs is heavily reworded. Basically it says =
now that DMM can mock other protocols but those then need review & =
ratification from the protocol "owning" WG, just like commonly done with =
DHCP & RADIUS.
>>=20
>> Routing based solutions are now explicitly stated to be restricted to =
IGP routing domain and must not propagate routing updates outside the =
IGP routing domain.
>>=20
>> Regarding the "enhanced mobility anchoring" milestone that could also =
be put under maintenance:
>>=20
>>  Work items related to the PMIPv6 maintenance include:
>>=20
>>   o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a
>>     gateway and mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility
>>     anchor switching that go beyond what has been, for example,
>>     described in RFC 6097, 6463, and 5142. The solution should also
>>     define a mechanism for preserving ongoing mobility sessions in a
>>     single administrative or IGP routing domain, which would involve
>>     directing traffic towards the new anchor.
>>=20
>> Opinions?
>>=20
>>=20
>> - Jouni
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> 6/6/2014 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>=20
>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one thing.
>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A =
basic understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and =
identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to =
work items for DMM WG.
>>>=20
>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>=20
>>> Cheers,
>>>=20
>>> Alper
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Folks,
>>>>=20
>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>=20
>>>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>>>>=20
>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>=20
>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals =
received from others.
>>>>=20
>>>> - Jouni
>>>>=20
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>>=20
>=20


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Hi Jouni,

>      The DMM solutions primarily target at IPv6 deployments and should no=
t
>      be tailored specifically to support IPv4, in particular in situation=
s
>      where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used. At least IPv6 is
>      assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the access
>      networks.

I would like that solutions that work when IPv6 is not present in the
access networks are also in-scope for the charter. Consider deployment
of IPv6 in mobile hosts/routers within an autonomous system that may
be many years away from providing IPv6 to the access networks. If the
solution works equally well when the access network is IPv4-only vs
IPv6-enabled, then shouldn't it also be in-scope for the charter?

Thanks - Fred
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Hi Jouni,


>>      o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a =
gateway and
>>        mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility anchor =
switching
>>        that go beyond what has been, for example, described in RFC =
6097, 6463,
>>        and 5142. The solution should also define a mechanism for =
preserving
>>        ongoing mobility sessions in a single administrative or IGP =
routing
>>        domain, which would involve directing traffic towards the new =
anchor.
>>=20
>>      o Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility agent =
that handles
>>        the mobility signalling interacts with the network elements in =
the DMM network
>>        for managing the forwarding state associated with a mobile =
node's IP traffic.
>>        These two functions may or may not be collocated. Furthermore, =
the forwarding
>>        state may also be distributed into multiple network elements =
instead of a
>>        single anchor like network element. Define required protocol =
extensions to
>>        allow described forwarding path and signalling management.
>>=20
>>=20
>> These above two seem inseparable.=20
>> I recommend we list them as one item.
>=20
> Hrmph.. not sure I agree.
>=20
>> (The separation was between "anchor selection" and "data-path =
management signaling" before. At that time, it was a clearer separation. =
But even at that time I was suggesting combining the two items. In this =
latest text, the separation got blurred. The title of the first item, =
along with references to "switching", "preserving sessions", "directing =
traffic" all point to the context of the second one=85)
>=20
> I see your point/concern. Since I (personally) see the enhanced =
mobility anchoring more towards maintenance work, I am tempted to have =
these two different milestones from the beginning. We could remove the =
last sentence of the anchoring milestone..
>=20

So, what's called "enhanced mobility anchoring" refers to 'maintenance =
work', and
"Forwarding path and signaling management" refers to 'new DMM solution'?

I didn't get that from the text=85
In my understanding, what we have been calling "maintenance" is simply =
PMIP/CMIP improvements/fixes in broad context -- not related to a DMM =
solution.

On the other hand, that first bullet above does read like a DMM solution =
to me.

I'm confused=85 what is maintenance, what is the objective of first =
bullet, what is the objective of second bullet=85

Alper











> - Jouni
>=20
>=20
>> We can note that separate anchor discovery & selection drafts may be =
produced (opening the door for split documents, while not forcing people =
to split any solution into two parts because the charter said so..)
>>=20
>>=20
>> Alper
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> A heavily updated charter text in the github. I am not sure it =
addresses all wording concerns folks had. But.. flame on ;)
>>>=20
>>> Reading the telco notes I realize I do not have nor have seen the =
slides shown during the call, so probably the "re-anchoring" =
sanitization in the charter text went too far compared what was =
discussed in the call. Please check.
>>>=20
>>> If you have concerns on the milestones and specifically their =
timeline, express your opinion with a new month+year combination.
>>>=20
>>> The cooperation with other WGs is heavily reworded. Basically it =
says now that DMM can mock other protocols but those then need review & =
ratification from the protocol "owning" WG, just like commonly done with =
DHCP & RADIUS.
>>>=20
>>> Routing based solutions are now explicitly stated to be restricted =
to IGP routing domain and must not propagate routing updates outside the =
IGP routing domain.
>>>=20
>>> Regarding the "enhanced mobility anchoring" milestone that could =
also be put under maintenance:
>>>=20
>>> Work items related to the PMIPv6 maintenance include:
>>>=20
>>>  o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a
>>>    gateway and mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility
>>>    anchor switching that go beyond what has been, for example,
>>>    described in RFC 6097, 6463, and 5142. The solution should also
>>>    define a mechanism for preserving ongoing mobility sessions in a
>>>    single administrative or IGP routing domain, which would involve
>>>    directing traffic towards the new anchor.
>>>=20
>>> Opinions?
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> - Jouni
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> 6/6/2014 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>=20
>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one thing.
>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A =
basic understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and =
identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to =
work items for DMM WG.
>>>>=20
>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>=20
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>=20
>>>> Alper
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>>>>>=20
>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals =
received from others.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>=20
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>>>=20
>>=20
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Alper,

On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:

> Hi Jouni,
>=20
>=20
>>>     o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a =
gateway and
>>>       mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility anchor =
switching
>>>       that go beyond what has been, for example, described in RFC =
6097, 6463,
>>>       and 5142. The solution should also define a mechanism for =
preserving
>>>       ongoing mobility sessions in a single administrative or IGP =
routing
>>>       domain, which would involve directing traffic towards the new =
anchor.
>>>=20
>>>     o Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility agent =
that handles
>>>       the mobility signalling interacts with the network elements in =
the DMM network
>>>       for managing the forwarding state associated with a mobile =
node's IP traffic.
>>>       These two functions may or may not be collocated. Furthermore, =
the forwarding
>>>       state may also be distributed into multiple network elements =
instead of a
>>>       single anchor like network element. Define required protocol =
extensions to
>>>       allow described forwarding path and signalling management.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> These above two seem inseparable.=20
>>> I recommend we list them as one item.
>>=20
>> Hrmph.. not sure I agree.
>>=20
>>> (The separation was between "anchor selection" and "data-path =
management signaling" before. At that time, it was a clearer separation. =
But even at that time I was suggesting combining the two items. In this =
latest text, the separation got blurred. The title of the first item, =
along with references to "switching", "preserving sessions", "directing =
traffic" all point to the context of the second one=85)
>>=20
>> I see your point/concern. Since I (personally) see the enhanced =
mobility anchoring more towards maintenance work, I am tempted to have =
these two different milestones from the beginning. We could remove the =
last sentence of the anchoring milestone..
>>=20
>=20
> So, what's called "enhanced mobility anchoring" refers to 'maintenance =
work', and

It could, since we specifically point three PMIP RFCs on a related =
topic: daa daa on anchor selection, solution for redirect during session =
establishment and solution for anchor switch that does not address what =
happens to ongoing sessions. When you do better than those, you are =
approaching a solution that allows one to better distribute anchors. =
Still very PMIPish, though.

> "Forwarding path and signaling management" refers to 'new DMM =
solution'?

Yes.. we specifically do not refer how and based on what to achieve =
that.

>=20
> I didn't get that from the text=85

So is the "Forwarding path and signaling management" intent unclear in =
DMM scope?

> In my understanding, what we have been calling "maintenance" is simply =
PMIP/CMIP improvements/fixes in broad context -- not related to a DMM =
solution.
>=20
> On the other hand, that first bullet above does read like a DMM =
solution to me.
>=20
> I'm confused=85 what is maintenance, what is the objective of first =
bullet, what is the objective of second bullet=85

First bullet intent should be clear, continue PMIP where it left on this =
anchor part. Second bullet gives you much more freedom. That is how I =
divided it in my organic compute unit.

- Jouni

>=20
> Alper
>=20
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>> - Jouni
>>=20
>>=20
>>> We can note that separate anchor discovery & selection drafts may be =
produced (opening the door for split documents, while not forcing people =
to split any solution into two parts because the charter said so..)
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Alper
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> A heavily updated charter text in the github. I am not sure it =
addresses all wording concerns folks had. But.. flame on ;)
>>>>=20
>>>> Reading the telco notes I realize I do not have nor have seen the =
slides shown during the call, so probably the "re-anchoring" =
sanitization in the charter text went too far compared what was =
discussed in the call. Please check.
>>>>=20
>>>> If you have concerns on the milestones and specifically their =
timeline, express your opinion with a new month+year combination.
>>>>=20
>>>> The cooperation with other WGs is heavily reworded. Basically it =
says now that DMM can mock other protocols but those then need review & =
ratification from the protocol "owning" WG, just like commonly done with =
DHCP & RADIUS.
>>>>=20
>>>> Routing based solutions are now explicitly stated to be restricted =
to IGP routing domain and must not propagate routing updates outside the =
IGP routing domain.
>>>>=20
>>>> Regarding the "enhanced mobility anchoring" milestone that could =
also be put under maintenance:
>>>>=20
>>>> Work items related to the PMIPv6 maintenance include:
>>>>=20
>>>> o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a
>>>>   gateway and mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility
>>>>   anchor switching that go beyond what has been, for example,
>>>>   described in RFC 6097, 6463, and 5142. The solution should also
>>>>   define a mechanism for preserving ongoing mobility sessions in a
>>>>   single administrative or IGP routing domain, which would involve
>>>>   directing traffic towards the new anchor.
>>>>=20
>>>> Opinions?
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> - Jouni
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> 6/6/2014 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, =
that's one thing.
>>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, =
that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A =
basic understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and =
identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to =
work items for DMM WG.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Alper
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text =
proposals received from others.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>=20
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Hello folks,

I reviewed the charter, and found numerous little stylistic
improvements.  Most of my revisions were along the lines of
rewording the same thought to eliminate ambiguity or make
grammatical corrections.  I've attached a diff file to show all
of the suggested revisions.  I hope this is a reasonable format
my suggestions.  Even though such things are minor, getting
them right is very helpful for accurately expressing the ideas.

Here are some most substantial comments, which are also
embedded in my revised file:
/* What about RFC 5568 (FMIP)? */

"Routing based proposals must not propagate routing
          updates outside the IGP routing domain."
/* Does this disallow Binding Update? */

/* What does "eventually" mean?? */

Also, the suggested dates for chartered work items seem
quite unrealistic to me.

I noticed that part of the charter fit nicely in my 80-column
(vi) text window, and part of the charter does not fit nicely.
I could also fix that if desired.

Regards,
Charlie P.



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Regards,
Charlie P.

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Jouni,

Based on earlier discussions, and what you wrote below, there are 3 =
distinct things:

1. *MIP maintenance.

Any bug fix or improvement not driven by DMM, but for the sake of =
maintaining the *MIP baseline protocols, are handled here.

2. MIP-based DMM solutions.

3. Non-MIP-based DMM solutions.

I presume these 3 items map to the those two bullets in the charter. =
Right?
I cannot clearly tell the mapping though.

Alper





On Jun 12, 2014, at 12:14 AM, Jouni wrote:

> Alper,
>=20
> On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Jouni,
>>=20
>>=20
>>>>    o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a =
gateway and
>>>>      mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility anchor =
switching
>>>>      that go beyond what has been, for example, described in RFC =
6097, 6463,
>>>>      and 5142. The solution should also define a mechanism for =
preserving
>>>>      ongoing mobility sessions in a single administrative or IGP =
routing
>>>>      domain, which would involve directing traffic towards the new =
anchor.
>>>>=20
>>>>    o Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility agent =
that handles
>>>>      the mobility signalling interacts with the network elements in =
the DMM network
>>>>      for managing the forwarding state associated with a mobile =
node's IP traffic.
>>>>      These two functions may or may not be collocated. Furthermore, =
the forwarding
>>>>      state may also be distributed into multiple network elements =
instead of a
>>>>      single anchor like network element. Define required protocol =
extensions to
>>>>      allow described forwarding path and signalling management.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> These above two seem inseparable.=20
>>>> I recommend we list them as one item.
>>>=20
>>> Hrmph.. not sure I agree.
>>>=20
>>>> (The separation was between "anchor selection" and "data-path =
management signaling" before. At that time, it was a clearer separation. =
But even at that time I was suggesting combining the two items. In this =
latest text, the separation got blurred. The title of the first item, =
along with references to "switching", "preserving sessions", "directing =
traffic" all point to the context of the second one=85)
>>>=20
>>> I see your point/concern. Since I (personally) see the enhanced =
mobility anchoring more towards maintenance work, I am tempted to have =
these two different milestones from the beginning. We could remove the =
last sentence of the anchoring milestone..
>>>=20
>>=20
>> So, what's called "enhanced mobility anchoring" refers to =
'maintenance work', and
>=20
> It could, since we specifically point three PMIP RFCs on a related =
topic: daa daa on anchor selection, solution for redirect during session =
establishment and solution for anchor switch that does not address what =
happens to ongoing sessions. When you do better than those, you are =
approaching a solution that allows one to better distribute anchors. =
Still very PMIPish, though.
>=20
>> "Forwarding path and signaling management" refers to 'new DMM =
solution'?
>=20
> Yes.. we specifically do not refer how and based on what to achieve =
that.
>=20
>>=20
>> I didn't get that from the text=85
>=20
> So is the "Forwarding path and signaling management" intent unclear in =
DMM scope?
>=20
>> In my understanding, what we have been calling "maintenance" is =
simply PMIP/CMIP improvements/fixes in broad context -- not related to a =
DMM solution.
>>=20
>> On the other hand, that first bullet above does read like a DMM =
solution to me.
>>=20
>> I'm confused=85 what is maintenance, what is the objective of first =
bullet, what is the objective of second bullet=85
>=20
> First bullet intent should be clear, continue PMIP where it left on =
this anchor part. Second bullet gives you much more freedom. That is how =
I divided it in my organic compute unit.
>=20
> - Jouni
>=20
>>=20
>> Alper
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> - Jouni
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> We can note that separate anchor discovery & selection drafts may =
be produced (opening the door for split documents, while not forcing =
people to split any solution into two parts because the charter said =
so..)
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Alper
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> A heavily updated charter text in the github. I am not sure it =
addresses all wording concerns folks had. But.. flame on ;)
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Reading the telco notes I realize I do not have nor have seen the =
slides shown during the call, so probably the "re-anchoring" =
sanitization in the charter text went too far compared what was =
discussed in the call. Please check.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> If you have concerns on the milestones and specifically their =
timeline, express your opinion with a new month+year combination.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> The cooperation with other WGs is heavily reworded. Basically it =
says now that DMM can mock other protocols but those then need review & =
ratification from the protocol "owning" WG, just like commonly done with =
DHCP & RADIUS.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Routing based solutions are now explicitly stated to be restricted =
to IGP routing domain and must not propagate routing updates outside the =
IGP routing domain.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Regarding the "enhanced mobility anchoring" milestone that could =
also be put under maintenance:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Work items related to the PMIPv6 maintenance include:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a
>>>>>  gateway and mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility
>>>>>  anchor switching that go beyond what has been, for example,
>>>>>  described in RFC 6097, 6463, and 5142. The solution should also
>>>>>  define a mechanism for preserving ongoing mobility sessions in a
>>>>>  single administrative or IGP routing domain, which would involve
>>>>>  directing traffic towards the new anchor.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Opinions?
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> 6/6/2014 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>>>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP =
flows, that's one thing.
>>>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP =
flow, that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. =
A basic understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and =
identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to =
work items for DMM WG.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. =
Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text =
proposals received from others.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>=20
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Hi Alper, =20

Some members believe 're-anchoring=E2=80=99 can also refer to control pla=
ne state setup. Maybe Sri can clarify more on this. =20

regards,
-- =20
Dapeng Liu
=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=889=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=
=BC=8C20:42=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A

> Thank you Dapeng for sharing the meeting minutes.
> =20
> Sri, please also share the slide you've shown during the call.
> I'm hoping it'd shed some light to the so-called =22re-anchoring=22. Ot=
herwise it's still very fuzzy in my mind, and the discussion as captured =
in the meeting minutes did not help either (even if it became clearer to =
the meeting participants=E2=80=A6). =20
> =20
> Alper
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> On Jun 8, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > Hello All, =20
> > =20
> > The meeting minutes of =46riday teleconference is enclosed. =20
> > =20
> > -- =20
> > Dapeng Liu
> > =20
> > =20
> > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E6=97=A5=
=EF=BC=8C0:39=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > =20
> > > 11pm pacific is 2am east coast us=E2=80=A6. not good =20
> > > (=46YI, before you guys intend to schedule something on such a time=
 slot ;-)
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > =20
> > > On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote:
> > > > I'm OK to move this =46riday=407AM.  =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =46riday=4010AM PDT is not good for folks in Asia pac region. Mos=
t folks cannot make it and so what is the point. =20
> > > > =20
> > > > We can generally fix on 7AM Pacific, or 11PM Pacific. IMO, these =
are the two possible slots that can works for folks in multiple regions. =
=20
> > > > =20
> > > > Sri =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =46rom: Dapeng Liu <maxpassion=40gmail.com (mailto:maxpassion=40g=
mail.com)>
> > > > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2014 7:42 AM
> > > > To: Alper Yegin <alper.yegin=40yegin.org (mailto:alper.yegin=40ye=
gin.org)>
> > > > Cc: =22dmm=40ietf.org (mailto:dmm=40ietf.org)=22 <dmm=40ietf.org =
(mailto:dmm=40ietf.org)>
> > > > Subject: =5BDMM=5D =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=
=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Telecon=
ference
> > > > =20
> > > > OK, then we do not change the time for this week. =46or next week=
=E2=80=99s call we use the new time slot. =20
> > > > =20
> > > > --  =20
> > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > =20
> > > > =20
> > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=
=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > > =20
> > > > > redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.
> > > > > =20
> > > > > On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano w=
rote: =20
> > > > > =20
> > > > > > Hi Dapeng, =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to chang=
e now an =20
> > > > > > agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the other=
s, and now
> > > > > > I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot reall=
y cancel or
> > > > > > move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots f=
or next
> > > > > > week (not for tomorrow=21=21).
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Thanks, =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > Carlos =20
> > > > > > =20
> > > > > > On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > How about PST 8:00 AM =46riday=3F It would be: =20
> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------
> > > > > > > San =46rancisco: 8:00 AM
> > > > > > > Paris: 17:00 PM
> > > > > > > Stockholm: 17:00 PM
> > > > > > > Istanbul: 18:00 PM
> > > > > > > Beijing: 23:00 PM
> > > > > > > Tokyo: 24:00 PM
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier: =20
> > > > > > > ----------------------------------------
> > > > > > > San =46rancisco: 7:00 AM
> > > > > > > Paris: 16:00 PM
> > > > > > > Stockholm: 16:00 PM
> > > > > > > Istanbul: 17:00 PM
> > > > > > > Beijing: 22:00 PM
> > > > > > > Tokyo: 23:00 PM
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Lets vote again between those two options: =20
> > > > > > > http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all=
 waste. it =20
> > > > > > > at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on =46rida=
y :)
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=
=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=
=BC=9A
> > > > > > > > Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted =
for is =20
> > > > > > > > 3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for =
me to
> > > > > > > > attend... =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next=
 SA1 =20
> > > > > > > > meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will =
start, but
> > > > > > > > we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > Regards, =20
> > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > Hidetoshi Yokota
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc. =20
> > > > > > > > e-mail:yokota=40kddilabs.jp (mailto:yokota=40kddilabs.jp)=

> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > (2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote: =20
> > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > Hi Alper, =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works f=
ine for =20
> > > > > > > > > others.
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > The problem here is that we are from different continen=
ts and =20
> > > > > > > > > there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can s=
hift
> > > > > > > > > timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you=3F
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=
=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=
=9A =20
> > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but i=
t does not =20
> > > > > > > > > > show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to any=
one else. =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > (10am PDT is 8pm on =46riday evening which is officia=
lly part of =20
> > > > > > > > > > the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or
> > > > > > > > > > China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=
=80=A6 I wish we
> > > > > > > > > > had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahe=
ad with
> > > > > > > > > > this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting=
 minutes
> > > > > > > > > > afterwards.)
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers, =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > Alper =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote: =20
> > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot get=
s the most =20
> > > > > > > > > > > votes.
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > We will send out Webex link later. =20
> > > > > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu&Jouni
> > > > > > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=
=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=
=BC=9A
> > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > I modified the settings. Please try again. =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95 =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > -- =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=
=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos C=
ano =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
> > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Same here. =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, karagian=40c=
s.utwente.nl (mailto:karagian=40cs.utwente.nl) =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Danny, Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I am getting the same indication and I c=
annot vote=21 =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, =20
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > =20
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Van: dmm =5Bdmm-bounces=40ietf.org (mailto:dm=
m-bounces=40ietf.org)=5D namens Moses, Danny
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: dmm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference
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                <div>
                    Hi Alper,
                </div><div><br></div><div>Some members believe 're-anchor=
ing=E2=80=99 can also refer to control plane state setup. Maybe Sri can c=
larify more on this.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div><d=
iv>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</div><div><span style=3D=22color: rgb(16=
0, 160, 168);=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=889=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=
=9C=9F=E4=B8=80=EF=BC=8C20:42=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=
=9A</span></div></div>
                <blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22border-left-styl=
e:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;=22>
                    <span><div><div>Thank you Dapeng for sharing the meet=
ing minutes.<div><br></div><div>Sri, please also share the slide you've s=
hown during the call.</div><div>I'm hoping it'd shed some light to the so=
-called =22re-anchoring=22. Otherwise it's still very fuzzy in my mind, a=
nd the discussion as captured in the meeting minutes did not help either =
(even if it became clearer to the meeting participants=E2=80=A6).&nbsp;</=
div><div><br></div><div>Alper</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br=
></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On=
 Jun 8, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D=22=
cite=22><div>
                <div>
                    Hello All,
                </div><div><br></div><div>The meeting minutes of =46riday=
 teleconference is enclosed.</div>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu</d=
iv><div><br></div></div><p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=
=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C0:39=EF=
=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote type=3D=22ci=
te=22><div>
                    <span><div><div><div>11pm pacific is 2am east coast u=
s=E2=80=A6. not good&nbsp;</div><div>(=46YI, before you guys intend to sc=
hedule something on such a time slot ;-)</div><div><br></div><div><br></d=
iv><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Sri Gundavell=
i (sgundave) wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>

<meta http-equiv=3D=22Content-Type=22 content=3D=22text/html; charset=3Dg=
b2312=22>

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line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =22>
<div>I'm OK to move this =46riday=407AM.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=46riday=4010AM PDT is not good for folks in Asia pac region. Most f=
olks cannot make it and so what is the point.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We can generally fix on 7AM Pacific, or 11PM Pacific. IMO, these are=
 the two possible slots that can works for folks in multiple regions.</di=
v>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sri</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span>
<div style=3D=22font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; col=
or:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LE=46T: medium none; PADDING=
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<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>=46rom: </span>Dapeng Liu &lt;<a hre=
f=3D=22mailto:maxpassion=40gmail.com=22>maxpassion=40gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Date: </span>Thursday, June 5, 2014 =
7:42 AM<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>To: </span>Alper Yegin &lt;<a href=3D=
=22mailto:alper.yegin=40yegin.org=22>alper.yegin=40yegin.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Cc: </span>=22<a href=3D=22mailto:dm=
m=40ietf.org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>=22 &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm=40ietf.=
org=22>dmm=40ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D=22font-weight:bold=22>Subject: </span>=5BDMM=5D =E5=9B=9E=E5=
=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A =E5=
=9B=9E=E5=A4=8D=EF=BC=9A Teleconference<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>OK, then we do not change the time for this week. =46or next week=E2=
=80=99s call we use the new time slot.</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>--&nbsp;</div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div><p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=88=
5=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B=EF=BC=8C17:30=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =
=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<span>
<div>
<div>
<div>redoing the poll for next week is a better idea, IMHO.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wrote:=
</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Dapeng,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>While I prefer the new slots, I think it is not good to change now a=
n</div>
<div>agreed time, because I reserved that slot and freed the others, and =
now</div>
<div>I have meetings on the new proposed slots that I cannot really cance=
l or</div>
<div>move. I'd suggest to keep the original one or propose slots for next=
</div>
<div>week (not for tomorrow=21=21).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Thu, 2014-06-05 at 16:30 +0800, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div><blockquot=
e type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Yokota-san, Alper and all, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It seems many people is not convenient for the time slot. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How about PST 8:00 AM =46riday=3F It would be:</div>
<div>---------------------------------------</div>
<div>San =46rancisco: 8:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 18:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 23:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 24:00 PM</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another choice is to move 1 hour earlier:</div>
<div>----------------------------------------</div>
<div>San =46rancisco: 7:00 AM</div>
<div>Paris: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Stockholm: 16:00 PM</div>
<div>Istanbul: 17:00 PM</div>
<div>Beijing: 22:00 PM</div>
<div>Tokyo: 23:00 PM</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lets vote again between those two options:</div>
<div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/it56enb76n7qgz9k=22>http://doodle.com=
/it56enb76n7qgz9k</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sorry for the inconvenient but the previous vote is not all waste. i=
t</div>
<div>at least shows people prefer to have the meeting on =46riday :)</div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=
=9B=EF=BC=8C15:45=EF=BC=8CHidetoshi Yokota =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</d=
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<div>Hi Dapeng, Alper and all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I looked at Doodle and the time frame that is most voted for is</div=
>
<div>3am-5am on Saturday in Japan. It's a little bit hard for me to</div>=

<div>attend... </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>BTW, C-SIPTO normative work will be completed at the next SA1</div>
<div>meeting. I don't have information on when stage-2/3 will start, but<=
/div>
<div>we may better a little bit speed up our discussion.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Hidetoshi Yokota</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>KDDI R&amp;D Laboratories, Inc.</div>
<div>e-mail:<a href=3D=22mailto:yokota=40kddilabs.jp=22>yokota=40kddilabs=
.jp</a></div>
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<div>(2014/06/05 11:28), Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Alper, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The doodle link has been updated and I guess it works fine for</div>=

<div>others.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The problem here is that we are from different continents and</div>
<div>there is no human-friendly time for every one. We can shift</div>
<div>timezones for the next meeting. Is that OK for you=3F</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=
=9B=EF=BC=8C0:29=EF=BC=8CAlper Yegin =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>That's odd. I had entered my votes in the poll, but it does not</div=
>
<div>show. I wonder if it's only me, or it happened to anyone else. </div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(10am PDT is 8pm on =46riday evening which is officially part of</di=
v>
<div>the weekend :-) , so I had marked it as X. =46or</div>
<div>China/Japan/Korea, it's like 1/2am Saturday morning=E2=80=A6 I wish =
we</div>
<div>had more human-friendly options. Anyhow, if going ahead with</div>
<div>this time slot, please make sure to share the meeting minutes</div>
<div>afterwards.)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alper</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>On Jun 4, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hello All, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=46riday 10:00 AM -12:00 PM (Pacific Time) slot gets the most</div>
<div>votes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We will send out Webex link later. </div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu&amp;Jouni</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=883=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=
=8C=EF=BC=8C12:01=EF=BC=8CDapeng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hello all, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I modified the settings. Please try again.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D=22http://doodle.com/q7zeebs9nqnbif95=22>http://doodle.com=
/q7zeebs9nqnbif95</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=B8=
=80=EF=BC=8C17:23=EF=BC=8CCarlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano</div>
<div>=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</div>
<div><br>
</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Same here.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Carlos</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On Sat, 2014-05-31 at 10:05 +0000, <a href=3D=22mailto:karagian=40cs=
.utwente.nl=22>karagian=40cs.utwente.nl</a></div>
<div>wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div>
<div>
<div>Hi Danny, Hi all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, I am getting the same indication and I cannot vote=21</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Georgios</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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</div>
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</div>
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</div>
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=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F</div>
<div>Van: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>dmm-bounce=
s=40ietf.org</a>=5D namens Moses, Danny</div>
<div>=5B<a href=3D=22mailto:danny.moses=40intel.com=22>danny.moses=40inte=
l.com</a>=5D</div>
<div>Verzonden: vrijdag 30 mei 2014 19:41</div>
<div>Aan: Dapeng Liu; dmm</div>
<div>Onderwerp: Re: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Hi. =46or some reason I cannot vote. When entering Doodle</div>
<div>I receive an</div>
<div>indication that I have already voted even though I did</div>
<div>not.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Am I the only one=3F</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>/Danny</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div><br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>=46rom: dmm =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:dmm-bounces=40ietf.org=22>mailto:=
dmm-bounces=40ietf.org</a>=5D On Behalf Of</div>
<div>Dapeng Liu</div>
<div>Sent: =46riday, May 30, 2014 07:40</div>
<div>To: dmm</div>
<div>Subject: =5BDMM=5D Teleconference</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hello,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The WG decide to have a teleconference next week. Please</div>
<div>select your</div>
<div>prefer time in doodle.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Doodle:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D=22https://doodle.com/d7fsc2gsdsgd2e52n438gimr/private=3Ft=
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-- </div>
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<div>Dapeng&amp;Jouni</div>
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Alper,

The latter bullet (forwarding path etc) is imho clearly in your 3. choice be=
low. It can also be 2. since it is not yet stated what is the baseline proto=
col. The protocol solution will then determine that. The former bullet (enha=
nced anchoring etc) is imho clearly your 2. more than 1. It could be also pa=
rtly in 3. if non-PMIP stuff is needed for the overall solution. Anyway, the=
 baseline protocol is known - PMIP, and the solution aims to "distribution" w=
ithin PMIP's boundaries.=20

What is unclear here?

Jouni


--=20
Jouni Korhonen
Broadcom

(Sent from my mobile..)

> Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@yegin.org> kirjoitti 12.6.2014 kello 9.09:
>=20
> Jouni,
>=20
> Based on earlier discussions, and what you wrote below, there are 3 distin=
ct things:
>=20
> 1. *MIP maintenance.
>=20
> Any bug fix or improvement not driven by DMM, but for the sake of maintain=
ing the *MIP baseline protocols, are handled here.
>=20
> 2. MIP-based DMM solutions.
>=20
> 3. Non-MIP-based DMM solutions.
>=20
> I presume these 3 items map to the those two bullets in the charter. Right=
?
> I cannot clearly tell the mapping though.
>=20
> Alper
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Jun 12, 2014, at 12:14 AM, Jouni wrote:
>>=20
>> Alper,
>>=20
>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Hi Jouni,
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>>   o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a gatew=
ay and
>>>>>     mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility anchor switchi=
ng
>>>>>     that go beyond what has been, for example, described in RFC 6097, 6=
463,
>>>>>     and 5142. The solution should also define a mechanism for preservi=
ng
>>>>>     ongoing mobility sessions in a single administrative or IGP routin=
g
>>>>>     domain, which would involve directing traffic towards the new anch=
or.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>   o Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility agent that=
 handles
>>>>>     the mobility signalling interacts with the network elements in the=
 DMM network
>>>>>     for managing the forwarding state associated with a mobile node's I=
P traffic.
>>>>>     These two functions may or may not be collocated. Furthermore, the=
 forwarding
>>>>>     state may also be distributed into multiple network elements inste=
ad of a
>>>>>     single anchor like network element. Define required protocol exten=
sions to
>>>>>     allow described forwarding path and signalling management.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> These above two seem inseparable.=20
>>>>> I recommend we list them as one item.
>>>>=20
>>>> Hrmph.. not sure I agree.
>>>>=20
>>>>> (The separation was between "anchor selection" and "data-path manageme=
nt signaling" before. At that time, it was a clearer separation. But even at=
 that time I was suggesting combining the two items. In this latest text, th=
e separation got blurred. The title of the first item, along with references=
 to "switching", "preserving sessions", "directing traffic" all point to the=
 context of the second one=E2=80=A6)
>>>>=20
>>>> I see your point/concern. Since I (personally) see the enhanced mobilit=
y anchoring more towards maintenance work, I am tempted to have these two di=
fferent milestones from the beginning. We could remove the last sentence of t=
he anchoring milestone..
>>>=20
>>> So, what's called "enhanced mobility anchoring" refers to 'maintenance w=
ork', and
>>=20
>> It could, since we specifically point three PMIP RFCs on a related topic:=
 daa daa on anchor selection, solution for redirect during session establish=
ment and solution for anchor switch that does not address what happens to on=
going sessions. When you do better than those, you are approaching a solutio=
n that allows one to better distribute anchors. Still very PMIPish, though.
>>=20
>>> "Forwarding path and signaling management" refers to 'new DMM solution'?=

>>=20
>> Yes.. we specifically do not refer how and based on what to achieve that.=

>>=20
>>>=20
>>> I didn't get that from the text=E2=80=A6
>>=20
>> So is the "Forwarding path and signaling management" intent unclear in DM=
M scope?
>>=20
>>> In my understanding, what we have been calling "maintenance" is simply P=
MIP/CMIP improvements/fixes in broad context -- not related to a DMM solutio=
n.
>>>=20
>>> On the other hand, that first bullet above does read like a DMM solution=
 to me.
>>>=20
>>> I'm confused=E2=80=A6 what is maintenance, what is the objective of firs=
t bullet, what is the objective of second bullet=E2=80=A6
>>=20
>> First bullet intent should be clear, continue PMIP where it left on this a=
nchor part. Second bullet gives you much more freedom. That is how I divided=
 it in my organic compute unit.
>>=20
>> - Jouni
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Alper
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> - Jouni
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> We can note that separate anchor discovery & selection drafts may be p=
roduced (opening the door for split documents, while not forcing people to s=
plit any solution into two parts because the charter said so..)
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Alper
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> A heavily updated charter text in the github. I am not sure it addres=
ses all wording concerns folks had. But.. flame on ;)
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Reading the telco notes I realize I do not have nor have seen the sli=
des shown during the call, so probably the "re-anchoring" sanitization in th=
e charter text went too far compared what was discussed in the call. Please c=
heck.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> If you have concerns on the milestones and specifically their timelin=
e, express your opinion with a new month+year combination.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> The cooperation with other WGs is heavily reworded. Basically it says=
 now that DMM can mock other protocols but those then need review & ratifica=
tion from the protocol "owning" WG, just like commonly done with DHCP & RADI=
US.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Routing based solutions are now explicitly stated to be restricted to=
 IGP routing domain and must not propagate routing updates outside the IGP r=
outing domain.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Regarding the "enhanced mobility anchoring" milestone that could also=
 be put under maintenance:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Work items related to the PMIPv6 maintenance include:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a
>>>>>> gateway and mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility
>>>>>> anchor switching that go beyond what has been, for example,
>>>>>> described in RFC 6097, 6463, and 5142. The solution should also
>>>>>> define a mechanism for preserving ongoing mobility sessions in a
>>>>>> single administrative or IGP routing domain, which would involve
>>>>>> directing traffic towards the new anchor.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Opinions?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 6/6/2014 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>>>>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, t=
hat's one thing.
>>>>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, t=
hat's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic un=
derstanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation for disc=
ussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of various aspe=
cts of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Fo=
llow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_dr=
aft.txt
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solut=
ion from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals r=
eceived from others.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>>>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>=20


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Jouni,

I think I can understand and follow now, after your explanation.
I cannot say the same when reading the charter text.
I'll let others speak up. If I'm the only one having difficulty parsing =
that part of the charter, then so be it.

Btw, I'm not aware of any decision that the baseline protocol will be =
PMIP. CMIP is equally on the table.

Alper


On Jun 12, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jouni wrote:

> Alper,
>=20
> The latter bullet (forwarding path etc) is imho clearly in your 3. =
choice below. It can also be 2. since it is not yet stated what is the =
baseline protocol. The protocol solution will then determine that. The =
former bullet (enhanced anchoring etc) is imho clearly your 2. more than =
1. It could be also partly in 3. if non-PMIP stuff is needed for the =
overall solution. Anyway, the baseline protocol is known - PMIP, and the =
solution aims to "distribution" within PMIP's boundaries.=20
>=20
> What is unclear here?
>=20
> Jouni
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Jouni Korhonen
> Broadcom
>=20
> (Sent from my mobile..)
>=20
>> Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@yegin.org> kirjoitti 12.6.2014 kello 9.09:
>>=20
>> Jouni,
>>=20
>> Based on earlier discussions, and what you wrote below, there are 3 =
distinct things:
>>=20
>> 1. *MIP maintenance.
>>=20
>> Any bug fix or improvement not driven by DMM, but for the sake of =
maintaining the *MIP baseline protocols, are handled here.
>>=20
>> 2. MIP-based DMM solutions.
>>=20
>> 3. Non-MIP-based DMM solutions.
>>=20
>> I presume these 3 items map to the those two bullets in the charter. =
Right?
>> I cannot clearly tell the mapping though.
>>=20
>> Alper
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Jun 12, 2014, at 12:14 AM, Jouni wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Alper,
>>>=20
>>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> Hi Jouni,
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>>>  o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a =
gateway and
>>>>>>    mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility anchor =
switching
>>>>>>    that go beyond what has been, for example, described in RFC =
6097, 6463,
>>>>>>    and 5142. The solution should also define a mechanism for =
preserving
>>>>>>    ongoing mobility sessions in a single administrative or IGP =
routing
>>>>>>    domain, which would involve directing traffic towards the new =
anchor.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>  o Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility agent =
that handles
>>>>>>    the mobility signalling interacts with the network elements in =
the DMM network
>>>>>>    for managing the forwarding state associated with a mobile =
node's IP traffic.
>>>>>>    These two functions may or may not be collocated. Furthermore, =
the forwarding
>>>>>>    state may also be distributed into multiple network elements =
instead of a
>>>>>>    single anchor like network element. Define required protocol =
extensions to
>>>>>>    allow described forwarding path and signalling management.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> These above two seem inseparable.=20
>>>>>> I recommend we list them as one item.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Hrmph.. not sure I agree.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> (The separation was between "anchor selection" and "data-path =
management signaling" before. At that time, it was a clearer separation. =
But even at that time I was suggesting combining the two items. In this =
latest text, the separation got blurred. The title of the first item, =
along with references to "switching", "preserving sessions", "directing =
traffic" all point to the context of the second one=85)
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I see your point/concern. Since I (personally) see the enhanced =
mobility anchoring more towards maintenance work, I am tempted to have =
these two different milestones from the beginning. We could remove the =
last sentence of the anchoring milestone..
>>>>=20
>>>> So, what's called "enhanced mobility anchoring" refers to =
'maintenance work', and
>>>=20
>>> It could, since we specifically point three PMIP RFCs on a related =
topic: daa daa on anchor selection, solution for redirect during session =
establishment and solution for anchor switch that does not address what =
happens to ongoing sessions. When you do better than those, you are =
approaching a solution that allows one to better distribute anchors. =
Still very PMIPish, though.
>>>=20
>>>> "Forwarding path and signaling management" refers to 'new DMM =
solution'?
>>>=20
>>> Yes.. we specifically do not refer how and based on what to achieve =
that.
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> I didn't get that from the text=85
>>>=20
>>> So is the "Forwarding path and signaling management" intent unclear =
in DMM scope?
>>>=20
>>>> In my understanding, what we have been calling "maintenance" is =
simply PMIP/CMIP improvements/fixes in broad context -- not related to a =
DMM solution.
>>>>=20
>>>> On the other hand, that first bullet above does read like a DMM =
solution to me.
>>>>=20
>>>> I'm confused=85 what is maintenance, what is the objective of first =
bullet, what is the objective of second bullet=85
>>>=20
>>> First bullet intent should be clear, continue PMIP where it left on =
this anchor part. Second bullet gives you much more freedom. That is how =
I divided it in my organic compute unit.
>>>=20
>>> - Jouni
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Alper
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> We can note that separate anchor discovery & selection drafts may =
be produced (opening the door for split documents, while not forcing =
people to split any solution into two parts because the charter said =
so..)
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> A heavily updated charter text in the github. I am not sure it =
addresses all wording concerns folks had. But.. flame on ;)
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Reading the telco notes I realize I do not have nor have seen =
the slides shown during the call, so probably the "re-anchoring" =
sanitization in the charter text went too far compared what was =
discussed in the call. Please check.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> If you have concerns on the milestones and specifically their =
timeline, express your opinion with a new month+year combination.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> The cooperation with other WGs is heavily reworded. Basically it =
says now that DMM can mock other protocols but those then need review & =
ratification from the protocol "owning" WG, just like commonly done with =
DHCP & RADIUS.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Routing based solutions are now explicitly stated to be =
restricted to IGP routing domain and must not propagate routing updates =
outside the IGP routing domain.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Regarding the "enhanced mobility anchoring" milestone that could =
also be put under maintenance:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Work items related to the PMIPv6 maintenance include:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a
>>>>>>> gateway and mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility
>>>>>>> anchor switching that go beyond what has been, for example,
>>>>>>> described in RFC 6097, 6463, and 5142. The solution should also
>>>>>>> define a mechanism for preserving ongoing mobility sessions in a
>>>>>>> single administrative or IGP routing domain, which would involve
>>>>>>> directing traffic towards the new anchor.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Opinions?
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> 6/6/2014 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>>>>>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>>>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP =
flows, that's one thing.
>>>>>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP =
flow, that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. =
A basic understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and =
identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to =
work items for DMM WG.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a =
discussion. Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any =
solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text =
proposals received from others.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>>>>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>=20


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Alper,

6/12/2014 10:55 AM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
> Jouni,
>
> I think I can understand and follow now, after your explanation.
> I cannot say the same when reading the charter text.

Right. Then we just need to tweak the text, since if you have issues to 
parse it the IESG will have double that.

> I'll let others speak up. If I'm the only one having difficulty parsing that part of the charter, then so be it.
> Btw, I'm not aware of any decision that the baseline protocol will be PMIP. CMIP is equally on the table.

Sure. For the anchoring stuff that was kind of assumed to be PMIP though.

- Jouni

>
> Alper
>
>
> On Jun 12, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jouni wrote:
>
>> Alper,
>>
>> The latter bullet (forwarding path etc) is imho clearly in your 3. choice below. It can also be 2. since it is not yet stated what is the baseline protocol. The protocol solution will then determine that. The former bullet (enhanced anchoring etc) is imho clearly your 2. more than 1. It could be also partly in 3. if non-PMIP stuff is needed for the overall solution. Anyway, the baseline protocol is known - PMIP, and the solution aims to "distribution" within PMIP's boundaries.
>>
>> What is unclear here?
>>
>> Jouni
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jouni Korhonen
>> Broadcom
>>
>> (Sent from my mobile..)
>>
>>> Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@yegin.org> kirjoitti 12.6.2014 kello 9.09:
>>>
>>> Jouni,
>>>
>>> Based on earlier discussions, and what you wrote below, there are 3 distinct things:
>>>
>>> 1. *MIP maintenance.
>>>
>>> Any bug fix or improvement not driven by DMM, but for the sake of maintaining the *MIP baseline protocols, are handled here.
>>>
>>> 2. MIP-based DMM solutions.
>>>
>>> 3. Non-MIP-based DMM solutions.
>>>
>>> I presume these 3 items map to the those two bullets in the charter. Right?
>>> I cannot clearly tell the mapping though.
>>>
>>> Alper
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 12, 2014, at 12:14 AM, Jouni wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Alper,
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jouni,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>   o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a gateway and
>>>>>>>     mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility anchor switching
>>>>>>>     that go beyond what has been, for example, described in RFC 6097, 6463,
>>>>>>>     and 5142. The solution should also define a mechanism for preserving
>>>>>>>     ongoing mobility sessions in a single administrative or IGP routing
>>>>>>>     domain, which would involve directing traffic towards the new anchor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   o Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility agent that handles
>>>>>>>     the mobility signalling interacts with the network elements in the DMM network
>>>>>>>     for managing the forwarding state associated with a mobile node's IP traffic.
>>>>>>>     These two functions may or may not be collocated. Furthermore, the forwarding
>>>>>>>     state may also be distributed into multiple network elements instead of a
>>>>>>>     single anchor like network element. Define required protocol extensions to
>>>>>>>     allow described forwarding path and signalling management.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These above two seem inseparable.
>>>>>>> I recommend we list them as one item.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hrmph.. not sure I agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (The separation was between "anchor selection" and "data-path management signaling" before. At that time, it was a clearer separation. But even at that time I was suggesting combining the two items. In this latest text, the separation got blurred. The title of the first item, along with references to "switching", "preserving sessions", "directing traffic" all point to the context of the second one…)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see your point/concern. Since I (personally) see the enhanced mobility anchoring more towards maintenance work, I am tempted to have these two different milestones from the beginning. We could remove the last sentence of the anchoring milestone..
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what's called "enhanced mobility anchoring" refers to 'maintenance work', and
>>>>
>>>> It could, since we specifically point three PMIP RFCs on a related topic: daa daa on anchor selection, solution for redirect during session establishment and solution for anchor switch that does not address what happens to ongoing sessions. When you do better than those, you are approaching a solution that allows one to better distribute anchors. Still very PMIPish, though.
>>>>
>>>>> "Forwarding path and signaling management" refers to 'new DMM solution'?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.. we specifically do not refer how and based on what to achieve that.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't get that from the text…
>>>>
>>>> So is the "Forwarding path and signaling management" intent unclear in DMM scope?
>>>>
>>>>> In my understanding, what we have been calling "maintenance" is simply PMIP/CMIP improvements/fixes in broad context -- not related to a DMM solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, that first bullet above does read like a DMM solution to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm confused… what is maintenance, what is the objective of first bullet, what is the objective of second bullet…
>>>>
>>>> First bullet intent should be clear, continue PMIP where it left on this anchor part. Second bullet gives you much more freedom. That is how I divided it in my organic compute unit.
>>>>
>>>> - Jouni
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alper
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can note that separate anchor discovery & selection drafts may be produced (opening the door for split documents, while not forcing people to split any solution into two parts because the charter said so..)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A heavily updated charter text in the github. I am not sure it addresses all wording concerns folks had. But.. flame on ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reading the telco notes I realize I do not have nor have seen the slides shown during the call, so probably the "re-anchoring" sanitization in the charter text went too far compared what was discussed in the call. Please check.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you have concerns on the milestones and specifically their timeline, express your opinion with a new month+year combination.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The cooperation with other WGs is heavily reworded. Basically it says now that DMM can mock other protocols but those then need review & ratification from the protocol "owning" WG, just like commonly done with DHCP & RADIUS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Routing based solutions are now explicitly stated to be restricted to IGP routing domain and must not propagate routing updates outside the IGP routing domain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regarding the "enhanced mobility anchoring" milestone that could also be put under maintenance:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Work items related to the PMIPv6 maintenance include:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a
>>>>>>>> gateway and mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility
>>>>>>>> anchor switching that go beyond what has been, for example,
>>>>>>>> described in RFC 6097, 6463, and 5142. The solution should also
>>>>>>>> define a mechanism for preserving ongoing mobility sessions in a
>>>>>>>> single administrative or IGP routing domain, which would involve
>>>>>>>> directing traffic towards the new anchor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Opinions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 6/6/2014 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>>>>>>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>>>>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that's one thing.
>>>>>>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. A basic understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM WG.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion. Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals received from others.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>>>>
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I don't understand why anchoring, re-anchoring are still in the charter.
There is no need for these terms.
We need to use general approaches in the charter such as routing,
network-based, client-based.

We also need to acknowledge the fact that almost all carriers will
have cloud networks by the time dmm picks up, if any. So the charter
should be open to the terms like virtualization, cloud, type of
futuristic terminology rather than the sticky anchor terminology.

Regards,

Behcet

On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:39 AM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> Alper,
>
> 6/12/2014 10:55 AM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>
>> Jouni,
>>
>> I think I can understand and follow now, after your explanation.
>> I cannot say the same when reading the charter text.
>
>
> Right. Then we just need to tweak the text, since if you have issues to
> parse it the IESG will have double that.
>
>
>> I'll let others speak up. If I'm the only one having difficulty parsing
>> that part of the charter, then so be it.
>> Btw, I'm not aware of any decision that the baseline protocol will be
>> PMIP. CMIP is equally on the table.
>
>
> Sure. For the anchoring stuff that was kind of assumed to be PMIP though.
>
> - Jouni
>
>
>>
>> Alper
>>
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jouni wrote:
>>
>>> Alper,
>>>
>>> The latter bullet (forwarding path etc) is imho clearly in your 3. choi=
ce
>>> below. It can also be 2. since it is not yet stated what is the baselin=
e
>>> protocol. The protocol solution will then determine that. The former bu=
llet
>>> (enhanced anchoring etc) is imho clearly your 2. more than 1. It could =
be
>>> also partly in 3. if non-PMIP stuff is needed for the overall solution.
>>> Anyway, the baseline protocol is known - PMIP, and the solution aims to
>>> "distribution" within PMIP's boundaries.
>>>
>>> What is unclear here?
>>>
>>> Jouni
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jouni Korhonen
>>> Broadcom
>>>
>>> (Sent from my mobile..)
>>>
>>>> Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@yegin.org> kirjoitti 12.6.2014 kello 9.09:
>>>>
>>>> Jouni,
>>>>
>>>> Based on earlier discussions, and what you wrote below, there are 3
>>>> distinct things:
>>>>
>>>> 1. *MIP maintenance.
>>>>
>>>> Any bug fix or improvement not driven by DMM, but for the sake of
>>>> maintaining the *MIP baseline protocols, are handled here.
>>>>
>>>> 2. MIP-based DMM solutions.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Non-MIP-based DMM solutions.
>>>>
>>>> I presume these 3 items map to the those two bullets in the charter.
>>>> Right?
>>>> I cannot clearly tell the mapping though.
>>>>
>>>> Alper
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 12, 2014, at 12:14 AM, Jouni wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Alper,
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jouni,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a
>>>>>>>> gateway and
>>>>>>>>     mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility anchor
>>>>>>>> switching
>>>>>>>>     that go beyond what has been, for example, described in RFC
>>>>>>>> 6097, 6463,
>>>>>>>>     and 5142. The solution should also define a mechanism for
>>>>>>>> preserving
>>>>>>>>     ongoing mobility sessions in a single administrative or IGP
>>>>>>>> routing
>>>>>>>>     domain, which would involve directing traffic towards the new
>>>>>>>> anchor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   o Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility agent
>>>>>>>> that handles
>>>>>>>>     the mobility signalling interacts with the network elements in
>>>>>>>> the DMM network
>>>>>>>>     for managing the forwarding state associated with a mobile
>>>>>>>> node's IP traffic.
>>>>>>>>     These two functions may or may not be collocated. Furthermore,
>>>>>>>> the forwarding
>>>>>>>>     state may also be distributed into multiple network elements
>>>>>>>> instead of a
>>>>>>>>     single anchor like network element. Define required protocol
>>>>>>>> extensions to
>>>>>>>>     allow described forwarding path and signalling management.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These above two seem inseparable.
>>>>>>>> I recommend we list them as one item.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hrmph.. not sure I agree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (The separation was between "anchor selection" and "data-path
>>>>>>>> management signaling" before. At that time, it was a clearer separ=
ation. But
>>>>>>>> even at that time I was suggesting combining the two items. In thi=
s latest
>>>>>>>> text, the separation got blurred. The title of the first item, alo=
ng with
>>>>>>>> references to "switching", "preserving sessions", "directing traff=
ic" all
>>>>>>>> point to the context of the second one=E2=80=A6)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see your point/concern. Since I (personally) see the enhanced
>>>>>>> mobility anchoring more towards maintenance work, I am tempted to h=
ave these
>>>>>>> two different milestones from the beginning. We could remove the la=
st
>>>>>>> sentence of the anchoring milestone..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, what's called "enhanced mobility anchoring" refers to 'maintenan=
ce
>>>>>> work', and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It could, since we specifically point three PMIP RFCs on a related
>>>>> topic: daa daa on anchor selection, solution for redirect during sess=
ion
>>>>> establishment and solution for anchor switch that does not address wh=
at
>>>>> happens to ongoing sessions. When you do better than those, you are
>>>>> approaching a solution that allows one to better distribute anchors. =
Still
>>>>> very PMIPish, though.
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Forwarding path and signaling management" refers to 'new DMM
>>>>>> solution'?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.. we specifically do not refer how and based on what to achieve
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't get that from the text=E2=80=A6
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So is the "Forwarding path and signaling management" intent unclear i=
n
>>>>> DMM scope?
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my understanding, what we have been calling "maintenance" is simp=
ly
>>>>>> PMIP/CMIP improvements/fixes in broad context -- not related to a DM=
M
>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, that first bullet above does read like a DMM
>>>>>> solution to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm confused=E2=80=A6 what is maintenance, what is the objective of =
first
>>>>>> bullet, what is the objective of second bullet=E2=80=A6
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> First bullet intent should be clear, continue PMIP where it left on
>>>>> this anchor part. Second bullet gives you much more freedom. That is =
how I
>>>>> divided it in my organic compute unit.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can note that separate anchor discovery & selection drafts may =
be
>>>>>>>> produced (opening the door for split documents, while not forcing =
people to
>>>>>>>> split any solution into two parts because the charter said so..)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A heavily updated charter text in the github. I am not sure it
>>>>>>>>> addresses all wording concerns folks had. But.. flame on ;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Reading the telco notes I realize I do not have nor have seen the
>>>>>>>>> slides shown during the call, so probably the "re-anchoring" sani=
tization in
>>>>>>>>> the charter text went too far compared what was discussed in the =
call.
>>>>>>>>> Please check.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you have concerns on the milestones and specifically their
>>>>>>>>> timeline, express your opinion with a new month+year combination.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The cooperation with other WGs is heavily reworded. Basically it
>>>>>>>>> says now that DMM can mock other protocols but those then need re=
view &
>>>>>>>>> ratification from the protocol "owning" WG, just like commonly do=
ne with
>>>>>>>>> DHCP & RADIUS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Routing based solutions are now explicitly stated to be restricte=
d
>>>>>>>>> to IGP routing domain and must not propagate routing updates outs=
ide the IGP
>>>>>>>>> routing domain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regarding the "enhanced mobility anchoring" milestone that could
>>>>>>>>> also be put under maintenance:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Work items related to the PMIPv6 maintenance include:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a
>>>>>>>>> gateway and mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility
>>>>>>>>> anchor switching that go beyond what has been, for example,
>>>>>>>>> described in RFC 6097, 6463, and 5142. The solution should also
>>>>>>>>> define a mechanism for preserving ongoing mobility sessions in a
>>>>>>>>> single administrative or IGP routing domain, which would involve
>>>>>>>>> directing traffic towards the new anchor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Opinions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 6/6/2014 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>>>>>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flow=
s,
>>>>>>>>>> that's one thing.
>>>>>>>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flo=
w,
>>>>>>>>>> that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped ou=
t. A basic
>>>>>>>>>> understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an explan=
ation for
>>>>>>>>>> discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and identification=
 of various
>>>>>>>>>> aspects of that scenario which translate to work items for DMM W=
G.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a discussion=
.
>>>>>>>>>> Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharte=
r_draft.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any
>>>>>>>>>>> solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP..=
 ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text
>>>>>>>>>>> proposals received from others.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> Btw, I'm not aware of any decision that the baseline protocol will be =
PMIP. CMIP is equally on the table.
>=20
> Sure. For the anchoring stuff that was kind of assumed to be PMIP =
though.
>=20

Possibly in some individual's minds.=20

(Btw, it's likely that this WG would come up with multiple solutions. =
Yes, it's not desirable, but one-size-fits-all may not be achievable. =
Well, discussions will show=85)

Alper




> - Jouni
>=20
>>=20
>> Alper
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jun 12, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Jouni wrote:
>>=20
>>> Alper,
>>>=20
>>> The latter bullet (forwarding path etc) is imho clearly in your 3. =
choice below. It can also be 2. since it is not yet stated what is the =
baseline protocol. The protocol solution will then determine that. The =
former bullet (enhanced anchoring etc) is imho clearly your 2. more than =
1. It could be also partly in 3. if non-PMIP stuff is needed for the =
overall solution. Anyway, the baseline protocol is known - PMIP, and the =
solution aims to "distribution" within PMIP's boundaries.
>>>=20
>>> What is unclear here?
>>>=20
>>> Jouni
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> --
>>> Jouni Korhonen
>>> Broadcom
>>>=20
>>> (Sent from my mobile..)
>>>=20
>>>> Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@yegin.org> kirjoitti 12.6.2014 kello 9.09:
>>>>=20
>>>> Jouni,
>>>>=20
>>>> Based on earlier discussions, and what you wrote below, there are 3 =
distinct things:
>>>>=20
>>>> 1. *MIP maintenance.
>>>>=20
>>>> Any bug fix or improvement not driven by DMM, but for the sake of =
maintaining the *MIP baseline protocols, are handled here.
>>>>=20
>>>> 2. MIP-based DMM solutions.
>>>>=20
>>>> 3. Non-MIP-based DMM solutions.
>>>>=20
>>>> I presume these 3 items map to the those two bullets in the =
charter. Right?
>>>> I cannot clearly tell the mapping though.
>>>>=20
>>>> Alper
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Jun 12, 2014, at 12:14 AM, Jouni wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Alper,
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hi Jouni,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>  o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a =
gateway and
>>>>>>>>    mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility anchor =
switching
>>>>>>>>    that go beyond what has been, for example, described in RFC =
6097, 6463,
>>>>>>>>    and 5142. The solution should also define a mechanism for =
preserving
>>>>>>>>    ongoing mobility sessions in a single administrative or IGP =
routing
>>>>>>>>    domain, which would involve directing traffic towards the =
new anchor.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>  o Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility =
agent that handles
>>>>>>>>    the mobility signalling interacts with the network elements =
in the DMM network
>>>>>>>>    for managing the forwarding state associated with a mobile =
node's IP traffic.
>>>>>>>>    These two functions may or may not be collocated. =
Furthermore, the forwarding
>>>>>>>>    state may also be distributed into multiple network elements =
instead of a
>>>>>>>>    single anchor like network element. Define required protocol =
extensions to
>>>>>>>>    allow described forwarding path and signalling management.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> These above two seem inseparable.
>>>>>>>> I recommend we list them as one item.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Hrmph.. not sure I agree.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> (The separation was between "anchor selection" and "data-path =
management signaling" before. At that time, it was a clearer separation. =
But even at that time I was suggesting combining the two items. In this =
latest text, the separation got blurred. The title of the first item, =
along with references to "switching", "preserving sessions", "directing =
traffic" all point to the context of the second one=85)
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I see your point/concern. Since I (personally) see the enhanced =
mobility anchoring more towards maintenance work, I am tempted to have =
these two different milestones from the beginning. We could remove the =
last sentence of the anchoring milestone..
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> So, what's called "enhanced mobility anchoring" refers to =
'maintenance work', and
>>>>>=20
>>>>> It could, since we specifically point three PMIP RFCs on a related =
topic: daa daa on anchor selection, solution for redirect during session =
establishment and solution for anchor switch that does not address what =
happens to ongoing sessions. When you do better than those, you are =
approaching a solution that allows one to better distribute anchors. =
Still very PMIPish, though.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> "Forwarding path and signaling management" refers to 'new DMM =
solution'?
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Yes.. we specifically do not refer how and based on what to =
achieve that.
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I didn't get that from the text=85
>>>>>=20
>>>>> So is the "Forwarding path and signaling management" intent =
unclear in DMM scope?
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> In my understanding, what we have been calling "maintenance" is =
simply PMIP/CMIP improvements/fixes in broad context -- not related to a =
DMM solution.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On the other hand, that first bullet above does read like a DMM =
solution to me.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I'm confused=85 what is maintenance, what is the objective of =
first bullet, what is the objective of second bullet=85
>>>>>=20
>>>>> First bullet intent should be clear, continue PMIP where it left =
on this anchor part. Second bullet gives you much more freedom. That is =
how I divided it in my organic compute unit.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> We can note that separate anchor discovery & selection drafts =
may be produced (opening the door for split documents, while not forcing =
people to split any solution into two parts because the charter said =
so..)
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> A heavily updated charter text in the github. I am not sure it =
addresses all wording concerns folks had. But.. flame on ;)
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Reading the telco notes I realize I do not have nor have seen =
the slides shown during the call, so probably the "re-anchoring" =
sanitization in the charter text went too far compared what was =
discussed in the call. Please check.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> If you have concerns on the milestones and specifically their =
timeline, express your opinion with a new month+year combination.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> The cooperation with other WGs is heavily reworded. Basically =
it says now that DMM can mock other protocols but those then need review =
& ratification from the protocol "owning" WG, just like commonly done =
with DHCP & RADIUS.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Routing based solutions are now explicitly stated to be =
restricted to IGP routing domain and must not propagate routing updates =
outside the IGP routing domain.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Regarding the "enhanced mobility anchoring" milestone that =
could also be put under maintenance:
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Work items related to the PMIPv6 maintenance include:
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a
>>>>>>>>> gateway and mobility anchor assignment and mid-session =
mobility
>>>>>>>>> anchor switching that go beyond what has been, for example,
>>>>>>>>> described in RFC 6097, 6463, and 5142. The solution should =
also
>>>>>>>>> define a mechanism for preserving ongoing mobility sessions in =
a
>>>>>>>>> single administrative or IGP routing domain, which would =
involve
>>>>>>>>> directing traffic towards the new anchor.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Opinions?
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> 6/6/2014 5:37 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> We better clarify what "anchor re-selection" stands for.
>>>>>>>>>> If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP =
flows, that's one thing.
>>>>>>>>>> If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP =
flow, that's another thing. And that other thing needs to be scoped out. =
A basic understanding of a use case would be appreciated (just an =
explanation for discussion, I'm not asking for another I-D!), and =
identification of various aspects of that scenario which translate to =
work items for DMM WG.
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> I won't be in the call today. So, consider this for a =
discussion. Follow up on the mailing list afterwards would be good.
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Alper
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> =
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt=

>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much =
any solution from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text =
proposals received from others.
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>>>=20
>>=20


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Charlie,

Thanks Charlie for all the editorials. I have incoporated most. 
Additional comments inline.

6/12/2014 12:24 AM, Charles E. Perkins kirjoitti:
>
> Hello folks,
>
> I reviewed the charter, and found numerous little stylistic
> improvements.  Most of my revisions were along the lines of
> rewording the same thought to eliminate ambiguity or make
> grammatical corrections.  I've attached a diff file to show all
> of the suggested revisions.  I hope this is a reasonable format
> my suggestions.  Even though such things are minor, getting
> them right is very helpful for accurately expressing the ideas.
>
> Here are some most substantial comments, which are also
> embedded in my revised file:
> /* What about RFC 5568 (FMIP)? */

There is the "..such as.." so I think there is no really need to lost 
all possible MIP6 variations.

> "Routing based proposals must not propagate routing
>           updates outside the IGP routing domain."
> /* Does this disallow Binding Update? */

Should not.. if you refer to MIP style tunnel management binding updates.

> /* What does "eventually" mean?? */

erm.. removed..

>
> Also, the suggested dates for chartered work items seem
> quite unrealistic to me.

;-) +3 months?


> I noticed that part of the charter fit nicely in my 80-column
> (vi) text window, and part of the charter does not fit nicely.
> I could also fix that if desired.

Fixed.

- Jouni

>
> Regards,
> Charlie P.
>
>
>


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Folks,

New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Charlie 
(thanks) and the red texts from Alper.

The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The 
milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility 
sessions and stuff. That would be up to the solution to define.

- Jouni




6/6/2014 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
> Folks,
>
> Minor changes..
>
> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>
> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution
> from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>
> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals
> received from others.
>
> - Jouni


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Hello Jouni,

Thanks for incorporating some of my suggested revisions.

Follow-up below...

On 6/13/2014 3:41 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>> /* What about RFC 5568 (FMIP)? */
>
> There is the "..such as.." so I think there is no really need to lost 
> all possible MIP6 variations.

FMIP is particularly important when developing solutions
that are aimed at localizing handover signaling, and I think
it deserves particular mention, at the cost of adding ten or
fifteen more characters to the charter text.

>
>> /* What does "eventually" mean?? */
>
> erm.. removed..

Well, it's still there.  So, maybe, the other dozen or so
revisions that didn't make it into charter revision #9 were
intended to be included also...?  I'll await further follow-up
until I can see whether my other comments were rejected
or simply overlooked.  Please take a look.

In particular, misuse of the definite article "the" can be
interpreted to restrict development to a single solution.
And, as has been discussed, I think that the dmm WG is
very likely to develop a suite of smoothly interacting
solutions.  Moreover, it should be observed that on a
single mobile node, different applications might require
different treatment for their end-point IP address.  This
might also encourage further use of multiple IPv6 addresses
by a single mobile node, which in my opinion is a positive
feature.  Or it could elevate the importance of proper
treatment for flow mobility.


Is it just me, or do other people prefer "RFC 6275" to
"RFC6275"?

>
>>
>> Also, the suggested dates for chartered work items seem
>> quite unrealistic to me.
>
> ;-) +3 months?

That would at least enable some believability.

>
>
>> I noticed that part of the charter fit nicely in my 80-column
>> (vi) text window, and part of the charter does not fit nicely.
>> I could also fix that if desired.
>
> Fixed.

Thanks!

For convenience, I attached the rfcdiff output from my previous
text of the charter compared to today's version #9.  If doing so is
not helpful, please let me know.

Regards,
Charlie P.



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Oops, that was the wrong attachment!!

Please excuse my error.  The proper file is attached to this message.

Regards,
Charlie P.

On 6/13/2014 4:37 PM, Charles E. Perkins wrote:
>
> Hello Jouni,
>
> Thanks for incorporating some of my suggested revisions.
>
> Follow-up below...
>
> On 6/13/2014 3:41 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>> /* What about RFC 5568 (FMIP)? */
>>
>> There is the "..such as.." so I think there is no really need to lost 
>> all possible MIP6 variations.
>
> FMIP is particularly important when developing solutions
> that are aimed at localizing handover signaling, and I think
> it deserves particular mention, at the cost of adding ten or
> fifteen more characters to the charter text.
>
>>
>>> /* What does "eventually" mean?? */
>>
>> erm.. removed..
>
> Well, it's still there.  So, maybe, the other dozen or so
> revisions that didn't make it into charter revision #9 were
> intended to be included also...?  I'll await further follow-up
> until I can see whether my other comments were rejected
> or simply overlooked.  Please take a look.
>
> In particular, misuse of the definite article "the" can be
> interpreted to restrict development to a single solution.
> And, as has been discussed, I think that the dmm WG is
> very likely to develop a suite of smoothly interacting
> solutions.  Moreover, it should be observed that on a
> single mobile node, different applications might require
> different treatment for their end-point IP address.  This
> might also encourage further use of multiple IPv6 addresses
> by a single mobile node, which in my opinion is a positive
> feature.  Or it could elevate the importance of proper
> treatment for flow mobility.
>
>
> Is it just me, or do other people prefer "RFC 6275" to
> "RFC6275"?
>
>>
>>>
>>> Also, the suggested dates for chartered work items seem
>>> quite unrealistic to me.
>>
>> ;-) +3 months?
>
> That would at least enable some believability.
>
>>
>>
>>> I noticed that part of the charter fit nicely in my 80-column
>>> (vi) text window, and part of the charter does not fit nicely.
>>> I could also fix that if desired.
>>
>> Fixed.
>
> Thanks!
>
> For convenience, I attached the rfcdiff output from my previous
> text of the charter compared to today's version #9.  If doing so is
> not helpful, please let me know.
>
> Regards,
> Charlie P.
>
>
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    Oops, that was the wrong attachment!!<br>
    <br>
    Please excuse my error.&nbsp; The proper file is attached to this
    message.<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    Charlie P.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/13/2014 4:37 PM, Charles E.
      Perkins wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:539B8B52.7050902@computer.org" type="cite">
      <br>
      Hello Jouni,
      <br>
      <br>
      Thanks for incorporating some of my suggested revisions.
      <br>
      <br>
      Follow-up below...
      <br>
      <br>
      On 6/13/2014 3:41 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <blockquote type="cite">/* What about RFC 5568 (FMIP)? */
          <br>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
        There is the "..such as.." so I think there is no really need to
        lost all possible MIP6 variations.
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      FMIP is particularly important when developing solutions
      <br>
      that are aimed at localizing handover signaling, and I think
      <br>
      it deserves particular mention, at the cost of adding ten or
      <br>
      fifteen more characters to the charter text.
      <br>
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <br>
        <blockquote type="cite">/* What does "eventually" mean?? */
          <br>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
        erm.. removed..
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      Well, it's still there.&nbsp; So, maybe, the other dozen or so
      <br>
      revisions that didn't make it into charter revision #9 were
      <br>
      intended to be included also...?&nbsp; I'll await further follow-up
      <br>
      until I can see whether my other comments were rejected
      <br>
      or simply overlooked.&nbsp; Please take a look.
      <br>
      <br>
      In particular, misuse of the definite article "the" can be
      <br>
      interpreted to restrict development to a single solution.
      <br>
      And, as has been discussed, I think that the dmm WG is
      <br>
      very likely to develop a suite of smoothly interacting
      <br>
      solutions.&nbsp; Moreover, it should be observed that on a
      <br>
      single mobile node, different applications might require
      <br>
      different treatment for their end-point IP address.&nbsp; This
      <br>
      might also encourage further use of multiple IPv6 addresses
      <br>
      by a single mobile node, which in my opinion is a positive
      <br>
      feature.&nbsp; Or it could elevate the importance of proper
      <br>
      treatment for flow mobility.
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Is it just me, or do other people prefer "RFC 6275" to
      <br>
      "RFC6275"?
      <br>
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <br>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <br>
          Also, the suggested dates for chartered work items seem
          <br>
          quite unrealistic to me.
          <br>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
        ;-) +3 months?
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      That would at least enable some believability.
      <br>
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <br>
        <br>
        <blockquote type="cite">I noticed that part of the charter fit
          nicely in my 80-column
          <br>
          (vi) text window, and part of the charter does not fit nicely.
          <br>
          I could also fix that if desired.
          <br>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
        Fixed.
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      Thanks!
      <br>
      <br>
      For convenience, I attached the rfcdiff output from my previous
      <br>
      text of the charter compared to today's version #9.&nbsp; If doing so
      is
      <br>
      not helpful, please let me know.
      <br>
      <br>
      Regards,
      <br>
      Charlie P.
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
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  <tbody><tr bgcolor="orange"><th></th><th>&nbsp;dmm_charter-Jun10,2014b.txt&nbsp;</th><th> </th><th>&nbsp;dmm_charter-v9.txt&nbsp;</th><th></th></tr> 
      <tr><td><a name="diff0001"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"></td><td> </td><td class="rblock"><span class="insert">                                                                         </span></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">Description of Working Group:</td><td> </td><td class="right">Description of Working Group:</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0002"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      The Distributed Mobility Management (DMM) working group specifies IP</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      The Distributed Mobility Management (DMM) working group specifies</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      mobility, access network and routing solutions, which allow for</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      IP mobility, access network and routing solutions, which allow for</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">      setting up IP networks so that traffic can be expedited between</td><td> </td><td class="right">      setting up IP networks so that traffic can be expedited between</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0003"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      mobile nodes and correspondent nodes. DMM solutions do not necessarily</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      mobile nodes and correspondent nodes.  <span class="insert">The</span> DMM solutions do not</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      rely on a single centrally deployed anchor to manage IP mobility</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      necessarily rely on a single centrally deployed anchor to manage</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      sessions for the duration of the sessions. DMM solutions</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      IP mobility sessions for the duration of the sessions.  DMM</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      aim for transparency above the IP layer, including maintenance of</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      solutions <span class="insert">should</span> aim for transparency above the IP layer,</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      active transport level sessions when mobile hosts or mobile</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      including maintenance of active transport level sessions when</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      networks change their point of attachment to the Internet.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      mobile hosts or mobile networks change their point of attachment</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      to the Internet.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0004"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      Traditional wireless networks use a hierarchical structure that has</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      Traditional wireless networks use a hierarchical structure that</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      led primarily to centralized deployment models, where a small number</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      has led primarily to centralized deployment models, where a small</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      of mobility anchors manage both mobility and reachability for a mobile</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      number of mobility anchors manage both mobility and reachability</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      node.  Currently, some wireless networks are evolving away from</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      for a mobile node.  Currently, some wireless networks are evolving</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      such hierarchical structure; a DMM model for</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      away from such hierarchical structure; a DMM model for mobility</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      mobility management can be useful to them. DMM fosters</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      management can be useful to them. DMM fosters such a distributed</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      such a distributed deployment model by relocating</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      deployment model by relocating forwarding functions to improve</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      forwarding functions to improve performance -- as an example, closer</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      performance -- as an example, closer either to the mobile node or</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      either to the mobile node or the corresponding node.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      the corresponding node.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0005"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      DMM solutions should be based on existing IP mobility</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      DMM solutions should be based on existing IP mobility protocols,</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      protocols, either host- or network-based, such as Mobile IPv6</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      either host- or network-based, such as Mobile IPv6 [RFC6275,</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      [RFC6275, 5555], Proxy Mobile IPv6 [RFC5213, <span class="delete">5844]</span> and NEMO</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      5555], Proxy Mobile IPv6 [RFC5213, <span class="insert">5844],</span> and NEMO [RFC3963].</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"><span class="delete">/* What about RFC 5568 (FMIP)? */</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      However, mobility management is not restricted to the</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      [RFC3963]. However, mobility management is not restricted to the</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      abovementioned IP mobility protocols; solutions may extend</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      abovementioned IP mobility protocols;</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      existing protocols (for example, routing protocols) or even be</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      solutions may extend existing protocols (for example,</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      based on an entirely new protocol.  Routing based proposals must</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      routing protocols) or even be based on an entirely new protocol.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      not propagate routing updates outside the IGP routing domain.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      Routing based proposals</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      When extending protocols that are not based on Mobile IP,</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      must not propagate routing updates outside the IGP routing domain.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      solutions should be reviewed and ratified by the WGs having the</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"><span class="delete">/* Does this disallow Binding Update? */</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      "ownership" of those protocols.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      When extending protocols that are not based on Mobile IP, solutions</td><td> </td><td class="rblock"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      should be reviewed and ratified by the WGs having the "ownership" of</td><td> </td><td class="rblock"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      those protocols.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">      In contrast to existing IETF standard IP mobility protocols,</td><td> </td><td class="right">      In contrast to existing IETF standard IP mobility protocols,</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0006"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      mobility management signalling paths and</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      mobility management signalling paths and end user traffic</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      end user traffic forwarding paths may differ; those mobility</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      forwarding paths may differ; those mobility related functions may</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      related functions may be located in separate network nodes. Solutions</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      be located in separate network nodes. Solutions may also specify</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      may also specify the selection between the</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      the selection between the care-of addresses and home</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      care-of addresses and home address(es)/prefix(es) for different</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      address(es)/prefix(es) for different application use cases.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      application use cases.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0007"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      When mobile hosts/routers change their point of attachment to the network,</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      When mobile hosts/routers change their point of attachment to the</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      maintenance of stable home address(es) or prefix(es) is a desirable goal</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      network, <span class="insert">Internet-wide</span> maintenance of stable home address(es) or</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      but not a strict <span class="delete">requirement.</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      prefix(es) is a desirable goal but not a strict <span class="insert">requirement on DMM</span></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      Therefore, home address(es) and/or</td><td> </td><td class="rblock"><span class="insert">      solutions.</span>  Therefore, home address(es) and/or home network</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      home network prefix(es) may change during</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      prefix(es) may change during application level session lifetime,</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      application level session lifetime, unless otherwise indicated</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      unless otherwise indicated to the mobile node/router and its</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      to the mobile node/router and its applications from the network.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      applications from the network.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0008"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and should not</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      be required to support IPv4, specifically in situations</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situations</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">      where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is</td><td> </td><td class="right">      where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0009"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the access</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      networks. DMM solutions must maintain backward compatibility.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      access networks. DMM solutions must maintain backward</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      If the network or the mobile host/router do not</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      compatibility.  If the network or the mobile host/router do not</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      support the distributed mobility management protocol, that</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      support the distributed mobility management protocol, that should</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      should not prevent the mobile host/router gaining <span class="delete">an</span> access to the</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      not prevent the mobile host/router gaining <span class="insert">basic</span> access <span class="insert">(i.e.,</span></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      network.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock"><span class="insert">      nomadic)</span> to the network.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">      The DMM solutions should not distinguish between physical or</td><td> </td><td class="right">      The DMM solutions should not distinguish between physical or</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">      virtualised networking functions. However, whenever applicable,</td><td> </td><td class="right">      virtualised networking functions. However, whenever applicable,</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">      clarifications for specific networking function deployment models</td><td> </td><td class="right">      clarifications for specific networking function deployment models</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">      are in scope and encouraged.</td><td> </td><td class="right">      are in scope and encouraged.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">      The DMM working group will also work on maintenance-oriented and</td><td> </td><td class="right">      The DMM working group will also work on maintenance-oriented and</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
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      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      incremental extensions to the Mobile IPv6 protocol, specified</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      incremental extensions to the Mobile IPv6 protocol, <span class="insert">such as those</span></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      in <span class="delete">RFC 5213, RFC 5844, RFC 5555,</span> and <span class="delete">RFC 6275.</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      specified in <span class="insert">RFC5213, RFC5844, RFC5555, RFC5568,</span> and <span class="insert">RFC6275.</span></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">    Work items related to distributed mobility management include:</td><td> </td><td class="right">    Work items related to distributed mobility management include:</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0011"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      o Distributed mobility management deployment models and scenarios: describe</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      o Distributed mobility management deployment models and scenarios:</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        the expected high level network architectures and deployment models where</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">        describe the expected high level network architectures and</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        distributed mobility management protocol <span class="delete">solutions</span> would apply.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">        deployment models where <span class="insert">the</span> distributed mobility management</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">        protocol <span class="insert">solution</span> would apply.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0012"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol <span class="delete">solutions</span> for a gateway and</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol <span class="insert">a solution</span> for a</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility anchor switching</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	gateway and mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        that <span class="delete">go</span> beyond what has been, for example, described in <span class="delete">RFC 6097,</span> 6463,</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	anchor switching that <span class="insert">goes</span> beyond what has been, for example,</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        and 5142. <span class="delete">A solution should also define a mechanism for preserving</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	described in <span class="insert">RFC6097,</span> 6463, and 5142.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"><span class="delete">        ongoing mobility sessions in a single administrative or IGP routing</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"><span class="delete">        domain, possibly directing traffic towards a new anchor.</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0013"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      o Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility agent that handles</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      o Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility agent</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        mobility signalling interacts with network elements in the DMM network</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	that handles <span class="insert">the</span> mobility signalling interacts with <span class="insert">the</span> network</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        for managing the forwarding state associated with a mobile node's IP traffic.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	elements in the DMM network for managing the forwarding state</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        These two functions may or may not be collocated. Furthermore, the forwarding</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	associated with a mobile node's IP traffic.  These two functions</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        state may also be distributed into multiple network elements instead of a</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	may or may not be collocated. Furthermore, the forwarding state</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        single network <span class="delete">element (e.g., anchor). Protocol</span> extensions <span class="delete">will be specified</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	may also be distributed into multiple network elements instead</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        to allow <span class="delete">the abovementioned</span> forwarding path and signalling management.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	of a single <span class="insert">anchor like</span> network <span class="insert">element. Define required</span></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"></td><td> </td><td class="rblock"><span class="insert">	protocol</span> extensions to allow <span class="insert">described</span> forwarding path and</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	signalling management.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0014"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">      o Exposing mobility state to mobile nodes and network nodes: define solutions</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">      o Exposing mobility state to mobile nodes and network nodes:</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        that allow, for example, mobile nodes <span class="delete">to</span> select <span class="delete">either a</span> care-of <span class="delete">address or</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	define solutions that allow, for example, mobile nodes select</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"><span class="delete">        a</span> home <span class="delete">address,</span> depending on <span class="delete">an application's</span> mobility needs. In order to</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	<span class="insert">between</span> care-of <span class="insert">addresses and</span> home <span class="insert">addresses</span> depending on <span class="insert">the</span></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        enable this functionality, the network side control functions and other</td><td> </td><td class="rblock"><span class="insert">	applications'</span> mobility needs. In order to enable this</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">        networking nodes must also be able to <span class="delete">exchange</span> appropriate <span class="delete">control information,</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	functionality, the network side control functions and other</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"><span class="delete">        as well as</span> eventually to the mobile nodes and their applications.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	networking nodes must also be able to <span class="insert">signal</span> appropriate</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"><span class="delete">/* What does "eventually" mean?? */</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	<span class="insert">metadata information between each other, and</span> eventually to the</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">	mobile nodes and their applications.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0015"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">    The working group may decide to extend the current milestones based on the new</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">    The working group may decide to extend the current milestones based</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">    information and knowledge gained during working on other documents listed in</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">    on the new information and knowledge gained during working on other</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">    initial milestones. The possible new documents and milestones must still fit into</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">    documents listed in initial milestones. The possible new documents</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">    the overall DMM charter scope.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">    and milestones must still fit into the overall DMM charter scope.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">Goals and Milestones:</td><td> </td><td class="right">Goals and Milestones:</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0016"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">  Nov 2014 - Submit 'The deployment models and scenarios' as a working group document(s).</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">                                                                         </td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">                    To be Informational RFC.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">  Nov 2014 - Submit 'The deployment models and scenarios' as a working</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">  Nov 2014 - Submit 'Enhanced mobility anchoring' as a working group <span class="delete">document. To be</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">             group document(s).  To be Informational RFC.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"><span class="delete">                    Proposed Standard.</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">                                                                         </td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"><span class="delete">  Nov 2014 - Submit 'Forwarding path and signaling management' as a working group</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">  Nov 2014 - Submit 'Enhanced mobility anchoring' as a working group</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">                    document. To be Proposed Standard.</td><td> </td><td class="right">                    document. To be Proposed Standard.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0017"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">  <span class="delete">Feb 2015 - Submit 'Exposing mobility state to mobile nodes and network nodes' as a</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"><span class="delete">                     working group document(s). To be Proposed Standard.</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left"></td><td> </td><td class="right"></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td><a name="diff0018"></a></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">  Feb 2015 - Submit 'The deployment models and scenarios' submitted to the IESG.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">  <span class="insert">Nov 2014 - Submit 'Forwarding path and signaling management' as a</span></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">                    To be Informational RFC.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock"><span class="insert">             working group document. To be Proposed Standard.</span></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">  Mar 2015 - Submit 'Enhanced mobility anchoring' <span class="delete">submitted to the IESG. To be</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock"><span class="insert"></span></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"><span class="delete">                    Proposed Standard.</span></td><td> </td><td class="rblock"><span class="insert">  Feb 2015 - Submit 'Exposing mobility state to mobile nodes and network</span></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"><span class="delete">  Mar 2015 - Submit 'Forwarding path and signaling management'</span> submitted to the IESG.</td><td> </td><td class="rblock"><span class="insert">             nodes' as a working group document(s). To be Proposed</span></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"></td><td> </td><td class="rblock"><span class="insert">	     Standard.</span></td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
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      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">  Feb 2015 - Submit 'The deployment models and scenarios' submitted to</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">             the IESG.  To be Informational RFC.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
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      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">  Mar 2015 - Submit 'Enhanced mobility anchoring' submitted to the IESG.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">                    To be Proposed Standard.</td><td> </td><td class="right">                    To be Proposed Standard.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
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      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock">  <span class="delete">Jul</span> 2015 - Submit <span class="delete">'Exposing mobility state to mobile nodes</span> and <span class="delete">network nodes'</span> submitted</td><td> </td><td class="rblock">                                                                         </td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="lblock"></td><td> </td><td class="rblock">  <span class="insert">Mar</span> 2015 - Submit <span class="insert">'Forwarding path</span> and <span class="insert">signaling management'</span> submitted</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
      <tr><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td><td class="left">                    to the IESG. To be Proposed Standard.</td><td> </td><td class="right">                    to the IESG. To be Proposed Standard.</td><td class="lineno" valign="top"></td></tr>
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 tching\r\n        that go beyond what has been, for example, described in RFC 6097, 6463,\r\n        and 5142. A solution should also define a mechanism for preserving\r\n        ongoing mobility sessions in a single administrative or IGP routing\r\n        domain, possibly directing traffic towards a new anchor.\r\n        \r\n      o Forwarding path and signalling management: the mobility agent that handles\r\n        mobility signalling interacts with network elements in the DMM network\r\n        for managing the forwarding state associated with a mobile node\'s IP traffic.\r\n        These two functions may or may not be collocated. Furthermore, the forwarding\r\n        state may also be distributed into multiple network elements instead of a\r\n        single network element (e.g., anchor). Protocol extensions will be specified\r\n        to allow the abovementioned forwarding path and signalling management.\r\n      \r\n      o Exposing mobility state to mobile nodes and net
 work nodes: define solutions\r\n        that allow, for example, mobile nodes to select either a care-of address or\r\n        a home address, depending on an application\'s mobility needs. In order to\r\n        enable this functionality, the network side control functions and other\r\n        networking nodes must also be able to exchange appropriate control information,\r\n        as well as eventually to the mobile nodes and their applications.\r\n/* What does "eventually" mean?? */\r\n  \r\n    The working group may decide to extend the current milestones based on the new\r\n    information and knowledge gained during working on other documents listed in\r\n    initial milestones. The possible new documents and milestones must still fit into\r\n    the overall DMM charter scope.\r\n    \r\nGoals and Milestones:\r\n  Nov 2014 - Submit \'The deployment models and scenarios\' as a working group document(s).\r\n                    To be Informational RFC.\r\n  Nov 2014 - Submit \'E
 nhanced mobility anchoring\' as a working group document. To be\r\n                    Proposed Standard.\r\n  Nov 2014 - Submit \'Forwarding path and signaling management\' as a working group\r\n                    document. To be Proposed Standard.\r\n  Feb 2015 - Submit \'Exposing mobility state to mobile nodes and network nodes\' as a\r\n                     working group document(s). To be Proposed Standard.\r\n\r\n  Feb 2015 - Submit \'The deployment models and scenarios\' submitted to the IESG.\r\n                    To be Informational RFC.\r\n  Mar 2015 - Submit \'Enhanced mobility anchoring\' submitted to the IESG. To be\r\n                    Proposed Standard.\r\n  Mar 2015 - Submit \'Forwarding path and signaling management\' submitted to the IESG. \r\n                    To be Proposed Standard.\r\n  Jul 2015 - Submit \'Exposing mobility state to mobile nodes and network nodes\' submitted\r\n                    to the IESG. To be Proposed Standard.\r\n\r\n', 'url1': ''
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On Jun 14, 2014, at 2:37 AM, Charles E. Perkins wrote:

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> Hello Jouni,
>=20
> Thanks for incorporating some of my suggested revisions.
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> Follow-up below...
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> On 6/13/2014 3:41 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>> /* What about RFC 5568 (FMIP)? */
>>=20
>> There is the "..such as.." so I think there is no really need to lost =
all possible MIP6 variations.
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> FMIP is particularly important when developing solutions
> that are aimed at localizing handover signaling, and I think
> it deserves particular mention, at the cost of adding ten or
> fifteen more characters to the charter text.

Okay.

>>=20
>>> /* What does "eventually" mean?? */
>>=20
>> erm.. removed..
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> Well, it's still there.  So, maybe, the other dozen or so

D'oh.

> revisions that didn't make it into charter revision #9 were
> intended to be included also...?  I'll await further follow-up
> until I can see whether my other comments were rejected
> or simply overlooked.  Please take a look.

Hmm.. seems i did not include the comments
in the milestones part.. my mistake.

> In particular, misuse of the definite article "the" can be
> interpreted to restrict development to a single solution.
> And, as has been discussed, I think that the dmm WG is
> very likely to develop a suite of smoothly interacting
> solutions.  Moreover, it should be observed that on a
> single mobile node, different applications might require
> different treatment for their end-point IP address.  This
> might also encourage further use of multiple IPv6 addresses
> by a single mobile node, which in my opinion is a positive
> feature.  Or it could elevate the importance of proper
> treatment for flow mobility.
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>=20
> Is it just me, or do other people prefer "RFC 6275" to
> "RFC6275"?

Spaces are cheap.. will add those.

- Jouni

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>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Also, the suggested dates for chartered work items seem
>>> quite unrealistic to me.
>>=20
>> ;-) +3 months?
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> That would at least enable some believability.
>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> I noticed that part of the charter fit nicely in my 80-column
>>> (vi) text window, and part of the charter does not fit nicely.
>>> I could also fix that if desired.
>>=20
>> Fixed.
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> Thanks!
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> For convenience, I attached the rfcdiff output from my previous
> text of the charter compared to today's version #9.  If doing so is
> not helpful, please let me know.
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Hi Jouni and all,

Thanks for updating the charter, which is much tidy now.

Sorry for my late response, but I have a couple of comments below:

o With regard to enhanced mobility anchoring (mid-session anchor
switching), there were a lot of discussions in the past as you know and
eventually that idea was not fully accepted by the community. It's ok to
handle it in DMM WG, but we also need convincing use cases and
effectiveness. Re-anchoring LMAs/HAs with preserving IP address may not
be so elegant and efficient.

o I was not very sure why virtualization needs to be mentioned. There
might have been some discussion about it, but do we really need it in
the charter?

The DMM solutions should not distinguish between physical or
virtualised networking functions. However, whenever applicable,
clarifications for specific networking function deployment models
are in scope and encouraged. o The fourth paragraph mentions UP/CP
separation, but the last sentence is about IP address change, which is
described in the fifth paragraph. That sentence may be fit there.

In contrast to existing IETF standard IP mobility protocols,
mobility management signalling paths and end user traffic
forwarding paths may differ; those mobility related functions may
be located in separate network nodes. "Solutions may also specify
the selection between the care-of addresses and home
address(es)/prefix(es) for different application use cases".

Regards,

-- 
Hidetoshi Yokota

KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp




(2014/06/13 20:41), Jouni Korhonen wrote:
> Folks,
>
> New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Charlie
> (thanks) and the red texts from Alper.
>
> The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The
> milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility
> sessions and stuff. That would be up to the solution to define.
>
> - Jouni
>
>
>
>
> 6/6/2014 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>> Folks,
>>
>> Minor changes..
>>
>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>>
>>
>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution
>> from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>
>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals
>> received from others.
>>
>> - Jouni
>
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      Thanks for updating the charter, which is much tidy now.<br>
      <br>
      Sorry for my late response, but I have a couple of comments below:<br>
      <br>
      o With regard to enhanced mobility anchoring (mid-session anchor
      switching), there were a lot of discussions in the past as you
      know and eventually that idea was not fully accepted by the
      community. It's ok to handle it in DMM WG, but we also need
      convincing use cases and effectiveness. Re-anchoring LMAs/HAs with
      preserving IP address may not be so elegant and efficient.<br>
      <br>
      o I was not very sure why virtualization needs to be mentioned.
      There might have been some discussion about it, but do we really
      need it in the charter?&nbsp; <br>
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    <pre><div class="line" id="LC66"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The DMM solutions should not distinguish between physical or</font></div><div class="line" id="LC67"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;virtualised networking functions. However, whenever applicable,</font></div><div class="line" id="LC68"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;clarifications for specific networking function deployment models</font></div><div class="line" id="LC69"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;are in scope and encouraged. 

o The fourth paragraph mentions UP/CP separation, but the last sentence is about IP address change, which is described in the fifth paragraph. That sentence may be fit there.
</font><pre><div class="line" id="LC41"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In contrast to existing IETF standard IP mobility protocols,</font></div><div class="line" id="LC42"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;mobility management signalling paths and end user traffic</font></div><div class="line" id="LC43"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;forwarding paths may differ; those mobility related functions may</font></div><div class="line" id="LC44"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;be located in separate network nodes. <font color="#ff0000">"Solutions may also specify</font></font></div><div class="line" id="LC45"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" color="#ff0000">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the selection between the care-of addresses and home</font></div><div class="line" id="LC46"><font face=
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Hidetoshi Yokota

KDDI R&amp;D Laboratories, Inc.
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    <blockquote cite="mid:539AE373.9080300@gmail.com" type="cite">Folks,
      <br>
      <br>
      New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from
      Charlie (thanks) and the red texts from Alper.
      <br>
      <br>
      The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The
      milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility
      sessions and stuff. That would be up to the solution to define.
      <br>
      <br>
      - Jouni
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      6/6/2014 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">Folks,
        <br>
        <br>
        Minor changes..
        <br>
        <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt">https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt</a>
        <br>
        <br>
        IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any
        solution
        <br>
        from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
        <br>
        <br>
        I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text
        proposals
        <br>
        received from others.
        <br>
        <br>
        - Jouni
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
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Hi Jouni and all,

With regard to the milestone, it looks getting more aggressive. If we
think of the current pace of creating the problem statement and
requirements documents, submitting the I-Ds to IESG by next March
doesn't seem to be very realistic...

Just a few other comments below:

(2014/06/14 8:53), Jouni wrote:
> On Jun 14, 2014, at 2:37 AM, Charles E. Perkins wrote:
>
>> Hello Jouni,
>>
>> Thanks for incorporating some of my suggested revisions.
>>
>> Follow-up below...
>>
>> On 6/13/2014 3:41 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>> /* What about RFC 5568 (FMIP)? */
>>> There is the "..such as.." so I think there is no really need to lost all possible MIP6 variations.
>> FMIP is particularly important when developing solutions
>> that are aimed at localizing handover signaling, and I think
>> it deserves particular mention, at the cost of adding ten or
>> fifteen more characters to the charter text.
> Okay.
Then Why not RFC5949 for PMIP? ;-)
>>>> /* What does "eventually" mean?? */
>>> erm.. removed..
>> Well, it's still there.  So, maybe, the other dozen or so
> D'oh.
>
>> revisions that didn't make it into charter revision #9 were
>> intended to be included also...?  I'll await further follow-up
>> until I can see whether my other comments were rejected
>> or simply overlooked.  Please take a look.
> Hmm.. seems i did not include the comments
> in the milestones part.. my mistake.
>
>> In particular, misuse of the definite article "the" can be
>> interpreted to restrict development to a single solution.
>> And, as has been discussed, I think that the dmm WG is
>> very likely to develop a suite of smoothly interacting
>> solutions.  Moreover, it should be observed that on a
>> single mobile node, different applications might require
>> different treatment for their end-point IP address.  This
>> might also encourage further use of multiple IPv6 addresses
>> by a single mobile node, which in my opinion is a positive
>> feature.  Or it could elevate the importance of proper
>> treatment for flow mobility.
>>
>>
>> Is it just me, or do other people prefer "RFC 6275" to
>> "RFC6275"?
> Spaces are cheap.. will add those.

Many RFCs don't have a space between them, but it should be ok.

Regards,
--
Hidetoshi

> - Jouni
>
>>>> Also, the suggested dates for chartered work items seem
>>>> quite unrealistic to me.
>>> ;-) +3 months?
>> That would at least enable some believability.
>>
>>>
>>>> I noticed that part of the charter fit nicely in my 80-column
>>>> (vi) text window, and part of the charter does not fit nicely.
>>>> I could also fix that if desired.
>>> Fixed.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> For convenience, I attached the rfcdiff output from my previous
>> text of the charter compared to today's version #9.  If doing so is
>> not helpful, please let me know.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Charlie P.
>>
>>
>> <Diff  dmm_charter-Jun10,2014.txt - dmm_charter-Jun10,2014b.txt.htm>
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    <div class="line" id="LC69"><br>
      With regard to the milestone, it looks getting more aggressive. If
      we think of the current pace of creating the problem statement and
      requirements documents, submitting the I-Ds to IESG by next March
      doesn't seem to be very realistic...<br>
      <br>
      Just a few other comments below:<br>
      <br>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">(2014/06/14 8:53), Jouni wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:2B1E0F79-3084-41BE-A745-1B456C23E629@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
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On Jun 14, 2014, at 2:37 AM, Charles E. Perkins wrote:

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Hello Jouni,

Thanks for incorporating some of my suggested revisions.

Follow-up below...

On 6/13/2014 3:41 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
</pre>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <pre wrap="">/* What about RFC 5568 (FMIP)? */
</pre>
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There is the "..such as.." so I think there is no really need to lost all possible MIP6 variations.
</pre>
        </blockquote>
        <pre wrap="">
FMIP is particularly important when developing solutions
that are aimed at localizing handover signaling, and I think
it deserves particular mention, at the cost of adding ten or
fifteen more characters to the charter text.
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">
Okay.
</pre>
    </blockquote>
    Then Why not RFC5949 for PMIP? ;-)
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:2B1E0F79-3084-41BE-A745-1B456C23E629@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <pre wrap="">
</pre>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <pre wrap="">/* What does "eventually" mean?? */
</pre>
          </blockquote>
          <pre wrap="">
erm.. removed..
</pre>
        </blockquote>
        <pre wrap="">
Well, it's still there.  So, maybe, the other dozen or so
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">
D'oh.

</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">revisions that didn't make it into charter revision #9 were
intended to be included also...?  I'll await further follow-up
until I can see whether my other comments were rejected
or simply overlooked.  Please take a look.
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">
Hmm.. seems i did not include the comments
in the milestones part.. my mistake.

</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">In particular, misuse of the definite article "the" can be
interpreted to restrict development to a single solution.
And, as has been discussed, I think that the dmm WG is
very likely to develop a suite of smoothly interacting
solutions.  Moreover, it should be observed that on a
single mobile node, different applications might require
different treatment for their end-point IP address.  This
might also encourage further use of multiple IPv6 addresses
by a single mobile node, which in my opinion is a positive
feature.  Or it could elevate the importance of proper
treatment for flow mobility.


Is it just me, or do other people prefer "RFC 6275" to
"RFC6275"?
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">
Spaces are cheap.. will add those.
</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Many RFCs don't have a space between them, but it should be ok.<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    --<br>
    Hidetoshi<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:2B1E0F79-3084-41BE-A745-1B456C23E629@gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <pre wrap="">
- Jouni

</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">
</pre>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <pre wrap="">
</pre>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <pre wrap="">
Also, the suggested dates for chartered work items seem
quite unrealistic to me.
</pre>
          </blockquote>
          <pre wrap="">
;-) +3 months?
</pre>
        </blockquote>
        <pre wrap="">
That would at least enable some believability.

</pre>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <pre wrap="">

</pre>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <pre wrap="">I noticed that part of the charter fit nicely in my 80-column
(vi) text window, and part of the charter does not fit nicely.
I could also fix that if desired.
</pre>
          </blockquote>
          <pre wrap="">
Fixed.
</pre>
        </blockquote>
        <pre wrap="">
Thanks!

For convenience, I attached the rfcdiff output from my previous
text of the charter compared to today's version #9.  If doing so is
not helpful, please let me know.

Regards,
Charlie P.


&lt;Diff  dmm_charter-Jun10,2014.txt - dmm_charter-Jun10,2014b.txt.htm&gt;
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      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">
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Hi Jouni, Hi all,

Sorry for not being able to attend the telco.

I have checked the updated charter. It looks good, but I have some comments=
:

Comment_1:=20
Not sure which of the mentioned milestones incorporate traffic steering aft=
er re-anchoring.
Is it the milestone "Forwarding path and signalling management" or is it th=
e milestone "Enhanced mobility anchoring"?

A sentence similar to below, could be included in one of these two work ite=
ms to emphasize this:
"The steering of the traffic associated with the "mid-session mobility anch=
or switching" is also in the scope of this work item."

Comment_2: virtualization should be, IMHO, better emphasized in the charter=
.
For example, could we change the following paragraph from:

"The DMM solutions should not distinguish between physical or virtualised n=
etworking functions.=20
However, whenever applicable, clarifications for specific networking functi=
on deployment models are in scope and encouraged."

INTO:

"The DMM solutions should not distinguish between physical or virtualised n=
etworking functions.=20
However, whenever applicable, clarifications and additional features/capabi=
lities for specific networking function deployment models,=20
e.g., in virtualized environments, are in scope and encouraged. "

Comment_3: The milestones are too ambitious.=20
Please extend each of them with at least 3 months.

Best regards,
Georgios

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Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..

Folks,

New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Charlie
(thanks) and the red texts from Alper.

The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The
milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility
sessions and stuff. That would be up to the solution to define.

- Jouni




6/6/2014 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
> Folks,
>
> Minor changes..
>
> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.tx=
t
>
> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution
> from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>
> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals
> received from others.
>
> - Jouni

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Fixed.


6/14/2014 2:47 AM, Charles E. Perkins kirjoitti:
> Oops, that was the wrong attachment!!
>
> Please excuse my error.  The proper file is attached to this message.
>
> Regards,
> Charlie P.
>
> On 6/13/2014 4:37 PM, Charles E. Perkins wrote:
>>
>> Hello Jouni,
>>
>> Thanks for incorporating some of my suggested revisions.
>>
>> Follow-up below...
>>
>> On 6/13/2014 3:41 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>> /* What about RFC 5568 (FMIP)? */
>>>
>>> There is the "..such as.." so I think there is no really need to lost
>>> all possible MIP6 variations.
>>
>> FMIP is particularly important when developing solutions
>> that are aimed at localizing handover signaling, and I think
>> it deserves particular mention, at the cost of adding ten or
>> fifteen more characters to the charter text.
>>
>>>
>>>> /* What does "eventually" mean?? */
>>>
>>> erm.. removed..
>>
>> Well, it's still there.  So, maybe, the other dozen or so
>> revisions that didn't make it into charter revision #9 were
>> intended to be included also...?  I'll await further follow-up
>> until I can see whether my other comments were rejected
>> or simply overlooked.  Please take a look.
>>
>> In particular, misuse of the definite article "the" can be
>> interpreted to restrict development to a single solution.
>> And, as has been discussed, I think that the dmm WG is
>> very likely to develop a suite of smoothly interacting
>> solutions.  Moreover, it should be observed that on a
>> single mobile node, different applications might require
>> different treatment for their end-point IP address.  This
>> might also encourage further use of multiple IPv6 addresses
>> by a single mobile node, which in my opinion is a positive
>> feature.  Or it could elevate the importance of proper
>> treatment for flow mobility.
>>
>>
>> Is it just me, or do other people prefer "RFC 6275" to
>> "RFC6275"?
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, the suggested dates for chartered work items seem
>>>> quite unrealistic to me.
>>>
>>> ;-) +3 months?
>>
>> That would at least enable some believability.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I noticed that part of the charter fit nicely in my 80-column
>>>> (vi) text window, and part of the charter does not fit nicely.
>>>> I could also fix that if desired.
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> For convenience, I attached the rfcdiff output from my previous
>> text of the charter compared to today's version #9.  If doing so is
>> not helpful, please let me know.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Charlie P.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> --
> Regards,
> Charlie P.
>


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Hi,

6/14/2014 8:59 AM, karagian@cs.utwente.nl kirjoitti:
> Hi Jouni, Hi all,
>
> Sorry for not being able to attend the telco.
>
> I have checked the updated charter. It looks good, but I have some comments:
>
> Comment_1:
> Not sure which of the mentioned milestones incorporate traffic steering after re-anchoring.
> Is it the milestone "Forwarding path and signalling management" or is it the milestone "Enhanced mobility anchoring"?

The latter. It was also stipulated that in a good case "Forwarding path 
and signalling management" could also be used for traffic steering for 
anchor switch.. or then both could be entirely separate solutions.

> A sentence similar to below, could be included in one of these two work items to emphasize this:
> "The steering of the traffic associated with the "mid-session mobility anchor switching" is also in the scope of this work item."

Ok.. works for me.

> Comment_2: virtualization should be, IMHO, better emphasized in the charter.
> For example, could we change the following paragraph from:

And we have an other mail saying it does not need to be mentioned ;)

> "The DMM solutions should not distinguish between physical or virtualised networking functions.
> However, whenever applicable, clarifications for specific networking function deployment models are in scope and encouraged."
>
> INTO:
>
> "The DMM solutions should not distinguish between physical or virtualised networking functions.
> However, whenever applicable, clarifications and additional features/capabilities for specific networking function deployment models,
> e.g., in virtualized environments, are in scope and encouraged. "

OK with that.


>
> Comment_3: The milestones are too ambitious.
> Please extend each of them with at least 3 months.

Ack.

Thanks,
	Jouni


>
> Best regards,
> Georgios
>
> ________________________________________
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> Verzonden: vrijdag 13 juni 2014 13:41
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> Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>
> Folks,
>
> New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Charlie
> (thanks) and the red texts from Alper.
>
> The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The
> milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility
> sessions and stuff. That would be up to the solution to define.
>
> - Jouni
>
>
>
>
> 6/6/2014 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>> Folks,
>>
>> Minor changes..
>>
>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>>
>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution
>> from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>
>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals
>> received from others.
>>
>> - Jouni
>
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Hi,

6/14/2014 7:34 AM, Hidetoshi Yokota kirjoitti:
> Hi Jouni and all,
>
> Thanks for updating the charter, which is much tidy now.
>
> Sorry for my late response, but I have a couple of comments below:
>
> o With regard to enhanced mobility anchoring (mid-session anchor
> switching), there were a lot of discussions in the past as you know and
> eventually that idea was not fully accepted by the community. It's ok to
> handle it in DMM WG, but we also need convincing use cases and
> effectiveness. Re-anchoring LMAs/HAs with preserving IP address may not
> be so elegant and efficient.

Right. The charter does not enforce preserving the IP during the switch, 
actually. It would be a desirable feature tough.

> o I was not very sure why virtualization needs to be mentioned. There
> might have been some discussion about it, but do we really need it in
> the charter?
>
>        The DMM solutions should not distinguish between physical or
>        virtualised networking functions. However, whenever applicable,
>        clarifications for specific networking function deployment models
>        are in scope and encouraged.

I still keep it for the time being. Several folk seem to think it needs 
to be mentioned..

> o The fourth paragraph mentions
> UP/CP separation, but the last sentence is about IP address change,
> which is described in the fifth paragraph. That sentence may be fit there.
>
>        In contrast to existing IETF standard IP mobility protocols,
>        mobility management signalling paths and end user traffic
>        forwarding paths may differ; those mobility related functions may
>        be located in separate network nodes. "Solutions may also specify
>        the selection between the care-of addresses and home
>        address(es)/prefix(es) for different application use cases".

Ack. Done.

- Jouni

>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Hidetoshi Yokota
>
> KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
> e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp
>
>
>
>
> (2014/06/13 20:41), Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Charlie
>> (thanks) and the red texts from Alper.
>>
>> The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The
>> milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility
>> sessions and stuff. That would be up to the solution to define.
>>
>> - Jouni
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 6/6/2014 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Minor changes..
>>>
>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>>>
>>>
>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution
>>> from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>
>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals
>>> received from others.
>>>
>>> - Jouni
>>
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Folks,

Another set of tweaks in github (v12):
  o reminders of Charlie's comments
  o Hidetoshi's comments
  o Georgios' comments

Also milestones got postponed. There is still a bit of my own editing in 
the text so not everything got moved over letter by letter.

- Jouni



6/13/2014 2:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
> Folks,
>
> New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Charlie
> (thanks) and the red texts from Alper.
>
> The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The
> milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility
> sessions and stuff. That would be up to the solution to define.
>
> - Jouni
>
>
>
>
> 6/6/2014 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>> Folks,
>>
>> Minor changes..
>>
>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>>
>>
>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution
>> from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>
>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals
>> received from others.
>>
>> - Jouni


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Hi Jouni,

What about operation in IPv4-only access networks? There may be
many enterprise networks that offer IPv4-only in their access
networks for the near future, but with IPv6 enabled internally.
For them, we should be able to tunnel IPv6 inside IPv4 if the
mechanism can support it.

Here is my suggested re-word:

OLD:
DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situations
where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used. IPv6 is
assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
access networks.

NEW:
DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 mobile hosts/routers
and should not be required to support IPv4-only mobiles. Access
networks may be IPv6-enabled or IPv4-only, but with IPv6 enabled
in the network core.

Thanks - Fred
fred.l.templin@boeing.com

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:20 AM
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> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>=20
> Folks,
>=20
> Another set of tweaks in github (v12):
>   o reminders of Charlie's comments
>   o Hidetoshi's comments
>   o Georgios' comments
>=20
> Also milestones got postponed. There is still a bit of my own editing in
> the text so not everything got moved over letter by letter.
>=20
> - Jouni
>=20
>=20
>=20
> 6/13/2014 2:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
> > Folks,
> >
> > New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Charlie
> > (thanks) and the red texts from Alper.
> >
> > The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The
> > milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility
> > sessions and stuff. That would be up to the solution to define.
> >
> > - Jouni
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 6/6/2014 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> Minor changes..
> >>
> >> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft=
.txt
> >>
> >>
> >> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution
> >> from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
> >>
> >> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals
> >> received from others.
> >>
> >> - Jouni
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Fred,

6/16/2014 5:59 PM, Templin, Fred L kirjoitti:
> Hi Jouni,
>
> What about operation in IPv4-only access networks? There may be
> many enterprise networks that offer IPv4-only in their access
> networks for the near future, but with IPv6 enabled internally.
> For them, we should be able to tunnel IPv6 inside IPv4 if the
> mechanism can support it.

My personal view is still that IPv4-only access is even more past than 
"anchoring" ;-)

Anyway, if there is (rough) consensus in the WG for the below new text, 
so be it.

- Jouni


>
> Here is my suggested re-word:
>
> OLD:
> DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
> should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situations
> where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used. IPv6 is
> assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
> access networks.
>
> NEW:
> DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 mobile hosts/routers
> and should not be required to support IPv4-only mobiles. Access
> networks may be IPv6-enabled or IPv4-only, but with IPv6 enabled
> in the network core.
>
> Thanks - Fred
> fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:20 AM
>> To: dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Another set of tweaks in github (v12):
>>    o reminders of Charlie's comments
>>    o Hidetoshi's comments
>>    o Georgios' comments
>>
>> Also milestones got postponed. There is still a bit of my own editing in
>> the text so not everything got moved over letter by letter.
>>
>> - Jouni
>>
>>
>>
>> 6/13/2014 2:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Charlie
>>> (thanks) and the red texts from Alper.
>>>
>>> The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The
>>> milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility
>>> sessions and stuff. That would be up to the solution to define.
>>>
>>> - Jouni
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 6/6/2014 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution
>>>> from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals
>>>> received from others.
>>>>
>>>> - Jouni
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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All,
     In the last few messages, several people have commented on the
aggressiveness of the listed milestones.  I would suggest that, for the
time being, no dates be associated with the milestones.

     The milestones are an agreement between the WG and the shepherding
AD and *are not* part of the charter itself.  I would prefer to see the
charter list deliverables (with no dates) while the charter text is
being ironed out.  Once the charter is close, we can start to formulate
the milestones and start associating dates with them.  That way, folks
can develop reasonable development timelines for the milestones once the
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Hi Jouni,

> -----Original Message-----
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>=20
> Fred,
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> 6/16/2014 5:59 PM, Templin, Fred L kirjoitti:
> > Hi Jouni,
> >
> > What about operation in IPv4-only access networks? There may be
> > many enterprise networks that offer IPv4-only in their access
> > networks for the near future, but with IPv6 enabled internally.
> > For them, we should be able to tunnel IPv6 inside IPv4 if the
> > mechanism can support it.
>=20
> My personal view is still that IPv4-only access is even more past than
> "anchoring" ;-)

OK, but I am just telling what I see and it is that IPv4-only
access in enterprise networks is still a reality today.

Thanks - Fred
fred.l.templin@boeing.com

> Anyway, if there is (rough) consensus in the WG for the below new text,
> so be it.
>=20
> - Jouni
>=20
>=20
> >
> > Here is my suggested re-word:
> >
> > OLD:
> > DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
> > should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situations
> > where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used. IPv6 is
> > assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
> > access networks.
> >
> > NEW:
> > DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 mobile hosts/routers
> > and should not be required to support IPv4-only mobiles. Access
> > networks may be IPv6-enabled or IPv4-only, but with IPv6 enabled
> > in the network core.
> >
> > Thanks - Fred
> > fred.l.templin@boeing.com
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:20 AM
> >> To: dmm@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >>
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> Another set of tweaks in github (v12):
> >>    o reminders of Charlie's comments
> >>    o Hidetoshi's comments
> >>    o Georgios' comments
> >>
> >> Also milestones got postponed. There is still a bit of my own editing =
in
> >> the text so not everything got moved over letter by letter.
> >>
> >> - Jouni
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 6/13/2014 2:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
> >>> Folks,
> >>>
> >>> New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Charli=
e
> >>> (thanks) and the red texts from Alper.
> >>>
> >>> The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The
> >>> milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility
> >>> sessions and stuff. That would be up to the solution to define.
> >>>
> >>> - Jouni
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 6/6/2014 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
> >>>> Folks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Minor changes..
> >>>>
> >>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_dra=
ft.txt
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any soluti=
on
> >>>> from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals
> >>>> received from others.
> >>>>
> >>>> - Jouni
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dmm mailing list
> >> dmm@ietf.org
> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm


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Folks,

Just to remind you..

4 July: Internet Draft submission - both -00 and revisions.

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         register goes up.

18 July: Last day to pre-register and pre-pay.

20-25 July:  90th IETF Meeting in Toronto, ON, Canada.
	We have requested one meeting slots.


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Fred,

It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time). Although the 
charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not prohibit 
adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only solution as a 
valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.

- Jouni

6/16/2014 7:53 PM, Templin, Fred L kirjoitti:
> Hi Jouni,
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 9:41 AM
>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>> 6/16/2014 5:59 PM, Templin, Fred L kirjoitti:
>>> Hi Jouni,
>>>
>>> What about operation in IPv4-only access networks? There may be
>>> many enterprise networks that offer IPv4-only in their access
>>> networks for the near future, but with IPv6 enabled internally.
>>> For them, we should be able to tunnel IPv6 inside IPv4 if the
>>> mechanism can support it.
>>
>> My personal view is still that IPv4-only access is even more past than
>> "anchoring" ;-)
>
> OK, but I am just telling what I see and it is that IPv4-only
> access in enterprise networks is still a reality today.
>
> Thanks - Fred
> fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>
>> Anyway, if there is (rough) consensus in the WG for the below new text,
>> so be it.
>>
>> - Jouni
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Here is my suggested re-word:
>>>
>>> OLD:
>>> DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
>>> should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situations
>>> where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used. IPv6 is
>>> assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
>>> access networks.
>>>
>>> NEW:
>>> DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 mobile hosts/routers
>>> and should not be required to support IPv4-only mobiles. Access
>>> networks may be IPv6-enabled or IPv4-only, but with IPv6 enabled
>>> in the network core.
>>>
>>> Thanks - Fred
>>> fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:20 AM
>>>> To: dmm@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> Another set of tweaks in github (v12):
>>>>     o reminders of Charlie's comments
>>>>     o Hidetoshi's comments
>>>>     o Georgios' comments
>>>>
>>>> Also milestones got postponed. There is still a bit of my own editing in
>>>> the text so not everything got moved over letter by letter.
>>>>
>>>> - Jouni
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 6/13/2014 2:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Charlie
>>>>> (thanks) and the red texts from Alper.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The
>>>>> milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility
>>>>> sessions and stuff. That would be up to the solution to define.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 6/6/2014 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Minor changes..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution
>>>>>> from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals
>>>>>> received from others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm


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Hi Jouni,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>=20
> Fred,
>=20
> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time). Although the
> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not prohibit
> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only solution as a
> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.

However, a solution that works equally well whether the access networks
are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in terms
of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think the charter
is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to strike the
following two sentences:

  "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
   should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situations
   where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
   assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
   access networks."

Thanks - Fred
fred.l.templin@boeing.com

> - Jouni
>=20
> 6/16/2014 7:53 PM, Templin, Fred L kirjoitti:
> > Hi Jouni,
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 9:41 AM
> >> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >>
> >> Fred,
> >>
> >> 6/16/2014 5:59 PM, Templin, Fred L kirjoitti:
> >>> Hi Jouni,
> >>>
> >>> What about operation in IPv4-only access networks? There may be
> >>> many enterprise networks that offer IPv4-only in their access
> >>> networks for the near future, but with IPv6 enabled internally.
> >>> For them, we should be able to tunnel IPv6 inside IPv4 if the
> >>> mechanism can support it.
> >>
> >> My personal view is still that IPv4-only access is even more past than
> >> "anchoring" ;-)
> >
> > OK, but I am just telling what I see and it is that IPv4-only
> > access in enterprise networks is still a reality today.
> >
> > Thanks - Fred
> > fred.l.templin@boeing.com
> >
> >> Anyway, if there is (rough) consensus in the WG for the below new text=
,
> >> so be it.
> >>
> >> - Jouni
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Here is my suggested re-word:
> >>>
> >>> OLD:
> >>> DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
> >>> should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situations
> >>> where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used. IPv6 is
> >>> assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
> >>> access networks.
> >>>
> >>> NEW:
> >>> DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 mobile hosts/routers
> >>> and should not be required to support IPv4-only mobiles. Access
> >>> networks may be IPv6-enabled or IPv4-only, but with IPv6 enabled
> >>> in the network core.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks - Fred
> >>> fred.l.templin@boeing.com
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 4:20 AM
> >>>> To: dmm@ietf.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >>>>
> >>>> Folks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Another set of tweaks in github (v12):
> >>>>     o reminders of Charlie's comments
> >>>>     o Hidetoshi's comments
> >>>>     o Georgios' comments
> >>>>
> >>>> Also milestones got postponed. There is still a bit of my own editin=
g in
> >>>> the text so not everything got moved over letter by letter.
> >>>>
> >>>> - Jouni
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 6/13/2014 2:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
> >>>>> Folks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Char=
lie
> >>>>> (thanks) and the red texts from Alper.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The
> >>>>> milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility
> >>>>> sessions and stuff. That would be up to the solution to define.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Jouni
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 6/6/2014 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
> >>>>>> Folks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Minor changes..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_d=
raft.txt
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solu=
tion
> >>>>>> from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals
> >>>>>> received from others.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Jouni
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> dmm mailing list
> >>>> dmm@ietf.org
> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm


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Hi Fred,

On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> Hi Jouni,
>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time). Although the
>> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not prohibit
>> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only solution as=
 a
>> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
>=20
> However, a solution that works equally well whether the access networks=

> are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in terms
> of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think the charte=
r
> is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to strike the=

> following two sentences:
>=20
>   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
>    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situations
>    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
>    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
>    access networks."
>=20

The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.  Taking it
out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions.  My
assessment of the winds within the community is that people are not
interested in new protocols for IPv4.

Just my opinion...

Brian


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Hi Brian,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Haberman
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:43 AM
> To: dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>=20
> Hi Fred,
>=20
> On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> > Hi Jouni,
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
> >> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >>
> >> Fred,
> >>
> >> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time). Although the
> >> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not prohibit
> >> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only solution as=
 a
> >> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
> >
> > However, a solution that works equally well whether the access networks
> > are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in terms
> > of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think the charte=
r
> > is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to strike the
> > following two sentences:
> >
> >   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
> >    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situations
> >    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
> >    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
> >    access networks."
> >
>=20
> The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.  Taking it
> out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions.

IPv4-only solutions is not my intended meaning. I agree that the
mobile hosts/routers should only support IPv6 applications (and
not IPv4 apps) but that support can be enabled over either IPv6
or IPv4 access networks through tunneling.=20

> My
> assessment of the winds within the community is that people are not
> interested in new protocols for IPv4.

No, this is not a new protocol for IPv4. It is IPv6 Neighbor
Discovery over tunnels over either IPv6 or IPv4 access networks.

Thanks - Fred
fred.l.templin@boeing.com

> Just my opinion...
>=20
> Brian


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Hi Jouni,

Thanks for updating the charter, which is now v12! I'm fine with this
version (at least my comments were resolved).

Regards,

-- 
Hidetoshi Yokota

KDDI R&D Laboratories, Inc.
e-mail:yokota@kddilabs.jp


(2014/06/14 20:20), Jouni Korhonen wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Another set of tweaks in github (v12):
> o reminders of Charlie's comments
> o Hidetoshi's comments
> o Georgios' comments
>
> Also milestones got postponed. There is still a bit of my own editing
> in the text so not everything got moved over letter by letter.
>
> - Jouni
>
>
>
> 6/13/2014 2:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>> Folks,
>>
>> New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Charlie
>> (thanks) and the red texts from Alper.
>>
>> The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The
>> milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility
>> sessions and stuff. That would be up to the solution to define.
>>
>> - Jouni
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 6/6/2014 2:47 PM, Jouni Korhonen kirjoitti:
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Minor changes..
>>>
>>> https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution
>>> from legacy anchoring to herd of pigeons carrying IP.. ;-)
>>>
>>> I have put in editorial changes of my own and clear text proposals
>>> received from others.
>>>
>>> - Jouni
>
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Agree. We should ensure the base solution supports IPv6 transport and user
sessions. Optionally, support for IPv4 can be allowed on certain
interfaces, but clearly should not deal with IPv4, NAT's or allow
IPv4-only solutions.


Regards
Sri



On 6/18/14 8:43 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net> wrote:

>Hi Fred,
>
>On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
>> Hi Jouni,
>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
>>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>>
>>> Fred,
>>>
>>> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time). Although the
>>> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not prohibit
>>> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only solution as
>>>a
>>> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
>>=20
>> However, a solution that works equally well whether the access networks
>> are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in terms
>> of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think the charter
>> is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to strike the
>> following two sentences:
>>=20
>>   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
>>    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situations
>>    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
>>    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
>>    access networks."
>>=20
>
>The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.  Taking it
>out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions.  My
>assessment of the winds within the community is that people are not
>interested in new protocols for IPv4.
>
>Just my opinion...
>
>Brian
>


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Hi Sri,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli (sgun=
dave)
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:20 AM
> To: Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>=20
> Agree. We should ensure the base solution supports IPv6 transport and use=
r
> sessions. Optionally, support for IPv4 can be allowed on certain
> interfaces, but clearly should not deal with IPv4, NAT's or allow
> IPv4-only solutions.

I don't understand that. In my enterprise, I have IPv4-only wireless
access points yet there are IPv6 services within the enterprise. When
I switch over to 4G wireless, I again get IPv4-only access but again
there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.

If the mobility management mechanism supports IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling
(possibly including NATs in the path), then the use case is satisfied;
otherwise, the use case is not satisfied.

Thanks - Fred
fred.l.templin@boeing.com
=20
> Regards
> Sri
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 6/18/14 8:43 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net> wrote:
>=20
> >Hi Fred,
> >
> >On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> >> Hi Jouni,
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
> >>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >>>
> >>> Fred,
> >>>
> >>> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time). Although the
> >>> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not prohibit
> >>> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only solution a=
s
> >>>a
> >>> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
> >>
> >> However, a solution that works equally well whether the access network=
s
> >> are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in terms
> >> of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think the chart=
er
> >> is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to strike th=
e
> >> following two sentences:
> >>
> >>   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
> >>    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situations
> >>    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
> >>    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
> >>    access networks."
> >>
> >
> >The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.  Taking it
> >out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions.  My
> >assessment of the winds within the community is that people are not
> >interested in new protocols for IPv4.
> >
> >Just my opinion...
> >
> >Brian
> >
>=20
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Sri,

Let me be perfectly clear - AERO works equally well whether the access
network is IPv4-only, IPv6-only, or dual-stacked. That is an advantage,
and addresses real-world use cases. Hence, I do not think it should be
discouraged by the charter.

Thanks - Fred
fred.l.templin@boeing.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Templin, Fred L
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:30 AM
> To: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave); Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>=20
> Hi Sri,
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli (sg=
undave)
> > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:20 AM
> > To: Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >
> > Agree. We should ensure the base solution supports IPv6 transport and u=
ser
> > sessions. Optionally, support for IPv4 can be allowed on certain
> > interfaces, but clearly should not deal with IPv4, NAT's or allow
> > IPv4-only solutions.
>=20
> I don't understand that. In my enterprise, I have IPv4-only wireless
> access points yet there are IPv6 services within the enterprise. When
> I switch over to 4G wireless, I again get IPv4-only access but again
> there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
>=20
> If the mobility management mechanism supports IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling
> (possibly including NATs in the path), then the use case is satisfied;
> otherwise, the use case is not satisfied.
>=20
> Thanks - Fred
> fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>=20
> > Regards
> > Sri
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/18/14 8:43 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Fred,
> > >
> > >On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> > >> Hi Jouni,
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
> > >>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
> > >>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> > >>>
> > >>> Fred,
> > >>>
> > >>> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time). Although th=
e
> > >>> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not prohib=
it
> > >>> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only solution=
 as
> > >>>a
> > >>> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
> > >>
> > >> However, a solution that works equally well whether the access netwo=
rks
> > >> are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in term=
s
> > >> of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think the cha=
rter
> > >> is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to strike =
the
> > >> following two sentences:
> > >>
> > >>   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
> > >>    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situation=
s
> > >>    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
> > >>    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
> > >>    access networks."
> > >>
> > >
> > >The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.  Taking =
it
> > >out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions.  My
> > >assessment of the winds within the community is that people are not
> > >interested in new protocols for IPv4.
> > >
> > >Just my opinion...
> > >
> > >Brian
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Hi Fred,

The DMM WG is still discussing PS and the related issues. By the time we
adopt a solution and complete the work, we will surely be in 2016. So, is
it not safer to raise the bar and limit certain interfaces to IPv6-only ?
I'm not arguing against adding any support for IPv4, but IMO the bar
should be high. We can certainly support all possible types of networks,
IPv4-only transport, IPv4-only user plane, and IPv4-only services. But,
looking at our current pace and doing some extrapolation, its safe to say
we will bake this for a long time and so limiting the work scope IMO
helps. But, this is just my opinion/comment and personally don't care if
some one wants to do the work and the chairs/AD/WG agree with it. Also, I
do not know yet how much of the solution work will really be IP-version
dependent. Mostly some network interfaces and there IPv6 possibly is a
safe assumption.=20


Regards
Sri
=20
=20




On 6/19/14 11:30 AM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:

>Hi Sri,
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli
>>(sgundave)
>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:20 AM
>> To: Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>=20
>> Agree. We should ensure the base solution supports IPv6 transport and
>>user
>> sessions. Optionally, support for IPv4 can be allowed on certain
>> interfaces, but clearly should not deal with IPv4, NAT's or allow
>> IPv4-only solutions.
>
>I don't understand that. In my enterprise, I have IPv4-only wireless
>access points yet there are IPv6 services within the enterprise. When
>I switch over to 4G wireless, I again get IPv4-only access but again
>there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
>
>If the mobility management mechanism supports IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling
>(possibly including NATs in the path), then the use case is satisfied;
>otherwise, the use case is not satisfied.
>
>Thanks - Fred
>fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>=20
>> Regards
>> Sri
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 6/18/14 8:43 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> >Hi Fred,
>> >
>> >On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
>> >> Hi Jouni,
>> >>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
>> >>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
>> >>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >>>
>> >>> Fred,
>> >>>
>> >>> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time). Although the
>> >>> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not
>>prohibit
>> >>> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only solution
>>as
>> >>>a
>> >>> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
>> >>
>> >> However, a solution that works equally well whether the access
>>networks
>> >> are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in terms
>> >> of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think the
>>charter
>> >> is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to strike
>>the
>> >> following two sentences:
>> >>
>> >>   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
>> >>    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situations
>> >>    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
>> >>    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
>> >>    access networks."
>> >>
>> >
>> >The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.  Taking
>>it
>> >out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions.  My
>> >assessment of the winds within the community is that people are not
>> >interested in new protocols for IPv4.
>> >
>> >Just my opinion...
>> >
>> >Brian
>> >
>>=20
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Hi Sri,

I will just repeat that AERO works equally well on IPv4-only, IPv6-only
and dual-stacked access networks. This means that it can address real
world use cases today that cannot be addressed by other mechanisms.

As to schedule, who can truly say when IPv4 will be totally gone from
all access networks? 2016 is just a date on a calendar; we have been
waiting for IPv6 to fully replace IPv4 since about 1994, and AFAICT
it still hasn't happened.

Thanks - Fred
fred.l.templin@boeing.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:33 PM
> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>=20
> Hi Fred,
>=20
> The DMM WG is still discussing PS and the related issues. By the time we
> adopt a solution and complete the work, we will surely be in 2016. So, is
> it not safer to raise the bar and limit certain interfaces to IPv6-only ?
> I'm not arguing against adding any support for IPv4, but IMO the bar
> should be high. We can certainly support all possible types of networks,
> IPv4-only transport, IPv4-only user plane, and IPv4-only services. But,
> looking at our current pace and doing some extrapolation, its safe to say
> we will bake this for a long time and so limiting the work scope IMO
> helps. But, this is just my opinion/comment and personally don't care if
> some one wants to do the work and the chairs/AD/WG agree with it. Also, I
> do not know yet how much of the solution work will really be IP-version
> dependent. Mostly some network interfaces and there IPv6 possibly is a
> safe assumption.
>=20
>=20
> Regards
> Sri
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 6/19/14 11:30 AM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
>=20
> >Hi Sri,
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli
> >>(sgundave)
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:20 AM
> >> To: Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >>
> >> Agree. We should ensure the base solution supports IPv6 transport and
> >>user
> >> sessions. Optionally, support for IPv4 can be allowed on certain
> >> interfaces, but clearly should not deal with IPv4, NAT's or allow
> >> IPv4-only solutions.
> >
> >I don't understand that. In my enterprise, I have IPv4-only wireless
> >access points yet there are IPv6 services within the enterprise. When
> >I switch over to 4G wireless, I again get IPv4-only access but again
> >there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
> >
> >If the mobility management mechanism supports IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling
> >(possibly including NATs in the path), then the use case is satisfied;
> >otherwise, the use case is not satisfied.
> >
> >Thanks - Fred
> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
> >
> >> Regards
> >> Sri
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/18/14 8:43 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi Fred,
> >> >
> >> >On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> >> >> Hi Jouni,
> >> >>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
> >> >>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Fred,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time). Although t=
he
> >> >>> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not
> >>prohibit
> >> >>> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only solutio=
n
> >>as
> >> >>>a
> >> >>> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
> >> >>
> >> >> However, a solution that works equally well whether the access
> >>networks
> >> >> are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in ter=
ms
> >> >> of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think the
> >>charter
> >> >> is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to strike
> >>the
> >> >> following two sentences:
> >> >>
> >> >>   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
> >> >>    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in situatio=
ns
> >> >>    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
> >> >>    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
> >> >>    access networks."
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.  Taking
> >>it
> >> >out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions.  My
> >> >assessment of the winds within the community is that people are not
> >> >interested in new protocols for IPv4.
> >> >
> >> >Just my opinion...
> >> >
> >> >Brian
> >> >
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> dmm mailing list
> >> dmm@ietf.org
> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm


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Hi Fred,

Ack on the AERO capability.

I have come to the conclusion that I have to deal with IPv4 for the rest
of my career (assuming some left). Surely, some day in 2016 is not some
thing that I'm looking at. My point is to limit the solution scope and if
it happens that DMM solution is immensely successful, we can introduce
IPv4 interfaces in phases.
=20

Regards
Sri









On 6/19/14 12:54 PM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:

>Hi Sri,
>
>I will just repeat that AERO works equally well on IPv4-only, IPv6-only
>and dual-stacked access networks. This means that it can address real
>world use cases today that cannot be addressed by other mechanisms.
>
>As to schedule, who can truly say when IPv4 will be totally gone from
>all access networks? 2016 is just a date on a calendar; we have been
>waiting for IPv6 to fully replace IPv4 since about 1994, and AFAICT
>it still hasn't happened.
>
>Thanks - Fred
>fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:33 PM
>> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>=20
>> Hi Fred,
>>=20
>> The DMM WG is still discussing PS and the related issues. By the time we
>> adopt a solution and complete the work, we will surely be in 2016. So,
>>is
>> it not safer to raise the bar and limit certain interfaces to IPv6-only
>>?
>> I'm not arguing against adding any support for IPv4, but IMO the bar
>> should be high. We can certainly support all possible types of networks,
>> IPv4-only transport, IPv4-only user plane, and IPv4-only services. But,
>> looking at our current pace and doing some extrapolation, its safe to
>>say
>> we will bake this for a long time and so limiting the work scope IMO
>> helps. But, this is just my opinion/comment and personally don't care if
>> some one wants to do the work and the chairs/AD/WG agree with it. Also,
>>I
>> do not know yet how much of the solution work will really be IP-version
>> dependent. Mostly some network interfaces and there IPv6 possibly is a
>> safe assumption.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Regards
>> Sri
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 6/19/14 11:30 AM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
>>wrote:
>>=20
>> >Hi Sri,
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli
>> >>(sgundave)
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:20 AM
>> >> To: Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >>
>> >> Agree. We should ensure the base solution supports IPv6 transport and
>> >>user
>> >> sessions. Optionally, support for IPv4 can be allowed on certain
>> >> interfaces, but clearly should not deal with IPv4, NAT's or allow
>> >> IPv4-only solutions.
>> >
>> >I don't understand that. In my enterprise, I have IPv4-only wireless
>> >access points yet there are IPv6 services within the enterprise. When
>> >I switch over to 4G wireless, I again get IPv4-only access but again
>> >there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
>> >
>> >If the mobility management mechanism supports IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling
>> >(possibly including NATs in the path), then the use case is satisfied;
>> >otherwise, the use case is not satisfied.
>> >
>> >Thanks - Fred
>> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >
>> >> Regards
>> >> Sri
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6/18/14 8:43 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net>
>>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi Fred,
>> >> >
>> >> >On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
>> >> >> Hi Jouni,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
>> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
>> >> >>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Fred,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time). Although
>>the
>> >> >>> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not
>> >>prohibit
>> >> >>> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only
>>solution
>> >>as
>> >> >>>a
>> >> >>> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> However, a solution that works equally well whether the access
>> >>networks
>> >> >> are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in
>>terms
>> >> >> of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think the
>> >>charter
>> >> >> is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to
>>strike
>> >>the
>> >> >> following two sentences:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
>> >> >>    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in
>>situations
>> >> >>    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
>> >> >>    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
>> >> >>    access networks."
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.
>>Taking
>> >>it
>> >> >out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions.  My
>> >> >assessment of the winds within the community is that people are not
>> >> >interested in new protocols for IPv4.
>> >> >
>> >> >Just my opinion...
>> >> >
>> >> >Brian
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> dmm mailing list
>> >> dmm@ietf.org
>> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>


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From: "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
To: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" <sgundave@cisco.com>, Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net>, "dmm@ietf.org" <dmm@ietf.org>
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Hi Sri,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:32 PM
> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>=20
> Hi Fred,
>=20
> Ack on the AERO capability.

OK.

> I have come to the conclusion that I have to deal with IPv4 for the rest
> of my career (assuming some left). Surely, some day in 2016 is not some
> thing that I'm looking at. My point is to limit the solution scope and if
> it happens that DMM solution is immensely successful, we can introduce
> IPv4 interfaces in phases.

Or, have IPv4 built-in from the onset for free; wouldn't that
be better?

Thanks - Fred
fred.l.templin@boeing.com

> Regards
> Sri
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 6/19/14 12:54 PM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
>=20
> >Hi Sri,
> >
> >I will just repeat that AERO works equally well on IPv4-only, IPv6-only
> >and dual-stacked access networks. This means that it can address real
> >world use cases today that cannot be addressed by other mechanisms.
> >
> >As to schedule, who can truly say when IPv4 will be totally gone from
> >all access networks? 2016 is just a date on a calendar; we have been
> >waiting for IPv6 to fully replace IPv4 since about 1994, and AFAICT
> >it still hasn't happened.
> >
> >Thanks - Fred
> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:33 PM
> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >>
> >> Hi Fred,
> >>
> >> The DMM WG is still discussing PS and the related issues. By the time =
we
> >> adopt a solution and complete the work, we will surely be in 2016. So,
> >>is
> >> it not safer to raise the bar and limit certain interfaces to IPv6-onl=
y
> >>?
> >> I'm not arguing against adding any support for IPv4, but IMO the bar
> >> should be high. We can certainly support all possible types of network=
s,
> >> IPv4-only transport, IPv4-only user plane, and IPv4-only services. But=
,
> >> looking at our current pace and doing some extrapolation, its safe to
> >>say
> >> we will bake this for a long time and so limiting the work scope IMO
> >> helps. But, this is just my opinion/comment and personally don't care =
if
> >> some one wants to do the work and the chairs/AD/WG agree with it. Also=
,
> >>I
> >> do not know yet how much of the solution work will really be IP-versio=
n
> >> dependent. Mostly some network interfaces and there IPv6 possibly is a
> >> safe assumption.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Sri
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/19/14 11:30 AM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi Sri,
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli
> >> >>(sgundave)
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:20 AM
> >> >> To: Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
> >> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >> >>
> >> >> Agree. We should ensure the base solution supports IPv6 transport a=
nd
> >> >>user
> >> >> sessions. Optionally, support for IPv4 can be allowed on certain
> >> >> interfaces, but clearly should not deal with IPv4, NAT's or allow
> >> >> IPv4-only solutions.
> >> >
> >> >I don't understand that. In my enterprise, I have IPv4-only wireless
> >> >access points yet there are IPv6 services within the enterprise. When
> >> >I switch over to 4G wireless, I again get IPv4-only access but again
> >> >there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
> >> >
> >> >If the mobility management mechanism supports IPv6 over IPv4 tunnelin=
g
> >> >(possibly including NATs in the path), then the use case is satisfied=
;
> >> >otherwise, the use case is not satisfied.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks - Fred
> >> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
> >> >
> >> >> Regards
> >> >> Sri
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 6/18/14 8:43 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net>
> >>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Hi Fred,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> >> >> >> Hi Jouni,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
> >> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
> >> >> >>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Fred,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time). Althoug=
h
> >>the
> >> >> >>> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not
> >> >>prohibit
> >> >> >>> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only
> >>solution
> >> >>as
> >> >> >>>a
> >> >> >>> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> However, a solution that works equally well whether the access
> >> >>networks
> >> >> >> are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in
> >>terms
> >> >> >> of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think the
> >> >>charter
> >> >> >> is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to
> >>strike
> >> >>the
> >> >> >> following two sentences:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
> >> >> >>    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in
> >>situations
> >> >> >>    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
> >> >> >>    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
> >> >> >>    access networks."
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.
> >>Taking
> >> >>it
> >> >> >out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions.  =
My
> >> >> >assessment of the winds within the community is that people are no=
t
> >> >> >interested in new protocols for IPv4.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Just my opinion...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Brian
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> dmm mailing list
> >> >> dmm@ietf.org
> >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
> >


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Hi Fred,

> Or, have IPv4 built-in from the onset for free; wouldn't that be better?

Cannot say without understanding the solution approach and the needed
effort. But, I guess with AERO, you have some effort in mind.

Any case, its WG/Chairs/AD call, but works for me.


Regards
Sri


On 6/19/14 1:34 PM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:

>Hi Sri,
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:32 PM
>> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>=20
>> Hi Fred,
>>=20
>> Ack on the AERO capability.
>
>OK.
>
>> I have come to the conclusion that I have to deal with IPv4 for the rest
>> of my career (assuming some left). Surely, some day in 2016 is not some
>> thing that I'm looking at. My point is to limit the solution scope and
>>if
>> it happens that DMM solution is immensely successful, we can introduce
>> IPv4 interfaces in phases.
>
>Or, have IPv4 built-in from the onset for free; wouldn't that
>be better?
>
>Thanks - Fred
>fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>
>> Regards
>> Sri
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 6/19/14 12:54 PM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
>>wrote:
>>=20
>> >Hi Sri,
>> >
>> >I will just repeat that AERO works equally well on IPv4-only, IPv6-only
>> >and dual-stacked access networks. This means that it can address real
>> >world use cases today that cannot be addressed by other mechanisms.
>> >
>> >As to schedule, who can truly say when IPv4 will be totally gone from
>> >all access networks? 2016 is just a date on a calendar; we have been
>> >waiting for IPv6 to fully replace IPv4 since about 1994, and AFAICT
>> >it still hasn't happened.
>> >
>> >Thanks - Fred
>> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:33 PM
>> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >>
>> >> Hi Fred,
>> >>
>> >> The DMM WG is still discussing PS and the related issues. By the
>>time we
>> >> adopt a solution and complete the work, we will surely be in 2016.
>>So,
>> >>is
>> >> it not safer to raise the bar and limit certain interfaces to
>>IPv6-only
>> >>?
>> >> I'm not arguing against adding any support for IPv4, but IMO the bar
>> >> should be high. We can certainly support all possible types of
>>networks,
>> >> IPv4-only transport, IPv4-only user plane, and IPv4-only services.
>>But,
>> >> looking at our current pace and doing some extrapolation, its safe to
>> >>say
>> >> we will bake this for a long time and so limiting the work scope IMO
>> >> helps. But, this is just my opinion/comment and personally don't
>>care if
>> >> some one wants to do the work and the chairs/AD/WG agree with it.
>>Also,
>> >>I
>> >> do not know yet how much of the solution work will really be
>>IP-version
>> >> dependent. Mostly some network interfaces and there IPv6 possibly is
>>a
>> >> safe assumption.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Sri
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6/19/14 11:30 AM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
>> >>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi Sri,
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri
>>Gundavelli
>> >> >>(sgundave)
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:20 AM
>> >> >> To: Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Agree. We should ensure the base solution supports IPv6 transport
>>and
>> >> >>user
>> >> >> sessions. Optionally, support for IPv4 can be allowed on certain
>> >> >> interfaces, but clearly should not deal with IPv4, NAT's or allow
>> >> >> IPv4-only solutions.
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't understand that. In my enterprise, I have IPv4-only wireless
>> >> >access points yet there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
>>When
>> >> >I switch over to 4G wireless, I again get IPv4-only access but again
>> >> >there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
>> >> >
>> >> >If the mobility management mechanism supports IPv6 over IPv4
>>tunneling
>> >> >(possibly including NATs in the path), then the use case is
>>satisfied;
>> >> >otherwise, the use case is not satisfied.
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks - Fred
>> >> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >> >
>> >> >> Regards
>> >> >> Sri
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 6/18/14 8:43 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net>
>> >>wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Hi Fred,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
>> >> >> >> Hi Jouni,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
>> >> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
>> >> >> >>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Fred,
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time).
>>Although
>> >>the
>> >> >> >>> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not
>> >> >>prohibit
>> >> >> >>> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only
>> >>solution
>> >> >>as
>> >> >> >>>a
>> >> >> >>> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> However, a solution that works equally well whether the access
>> >> >>networks
>> >> >> >> are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in
>> >>terms
>> >> >> >> of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think
>>the
>> >> >>charter
>> >> >> >> is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to
>> >>strike
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> >> following two sentences:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
>> >> >> >>    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in
>> >>situations
>> >> >> >>    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
>> >> >> >>    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
>> >> >> >>    access networks."
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.
>> >>Taking
>> >> >>it
>> >> >> >out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions.
>> My
>> >> >> >assessment of the winds within the community is that people are
>>not
>> >> >> >interested in new protocols for IPv4.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Just my opinion...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Brian
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> dmm mailing list
>> >> >> dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>> >
>


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Hi Sri,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:40 PM
> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>=20
> Hi Fred,
>=20
> > Or, have IPv4 built-in from the onset for free; wouldn't that be better=
?
>=20
> Cannot say without understanding the solution approach and the needed
> effort. But, I guess with AERO, you have some effort in mind.

I have code that, while not pretty, is astonishingly simple.
I should be able to release that very soon.

Thanks - Fred
fred.l.templin@boeing.com

> Any case, its WG/Chairs/AD call, but works for me.
>=20
>=20
> Regards
> Sri
>=20
>=20
> On 6/19/14 1:34 PM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
>=20
> >Hi Sri,
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:32 PM
> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >>
> >> Hi Fred,
> >>
> >> Ack on the AERO capability.
> >
> >OK.
> >
> >> I have come to the conclusion that I have to deal with IPv4 for the re=
st
> >> of my career (assuming some left). Surely, some day in 2016 is not som=
e
> >> thing that I'm looking at. My point is to limit the solution scope and
> >>if
> >> it happens that DMM solution is immensely successful, we can introduce
> >> IPv4 interfaces in phases.
> >
> >Or, have IPv4 built-in from the onset for free; wouldn't that
> >be better?
> >
> >Thanks - Fred
> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
> >
> >> Regards
> >> Sri
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/19/14 12:54 PM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi Sri,
> >> >
> >> >I will just repeat that AERO works equally well on IPv4-only, IPv6-on=
ly
> >> >and dual-stacked access networks. This means that it can address real
> >> >world use cases today that cannot be addressed by other mechanisms.
> >> >
> >> >As to schedule, who can truly say when IPv4 will be totally gone from
> >> >all access networks? 2016 is just a date on a calendar; we have been
> >> >waiting for IPv6 to fully replace IPv4 since about 1994, and AFAICT
> >> >it still hasn't happened.
> >> >
> >> >Thanks - Fred
> >> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:33 PM
> >> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
> >> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Fred,
> >> >>
> >> >> The DMM WG is still discussing PS and the related issues. By the
> >>time we
> >> >> adopt a solution and complete the work, we will surely be in 2016.
> >>So,
> >> >>is
> >> >> it not safer to raise the bar and limit certain interfaces to
> >>IPv6-only
> >> >>?
> >> >> I'm not arguing against adding any support for IPv4, but IMO the ba=
r
> >> >> should be high. We can certainly support all possible types of
> >>networks,
> >> >> IPv4-only transport, IPv4-only user plane, and IPv4-only services.
> >>But,
> >> >> looking at our current pace and doing some extrapolation, its safe =
to
> >> >>say
> >> >> we will bake this for a long time and so limiting the work scope IM=
O
> >> >> helps. But, this is just my opinion/comment and personally don't
> >>care if
> >> >> some one wants to do the work and the chairs/AD/WG agree with it.
> >>Also,
> >> >>I
> >> >> do not know yet how much of the solution work will really be
> >>IP-version
> >> >> dependent. Mostly some network interfaces and there IPv6 possibly i=
s
> >>a
> >> >> safe assumption.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >> Sri
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 6/19/14 11:30 AM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
> >> >>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Hi Sri,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri
> >>Gundavelli
> >> >> >>(sgundave)
> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:20 AM
> >> >> >> To: Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Agree. We should ensure the base solution supports IPv6 transpor=
t
> >>and
> >> >> >>user
> >> >> >> sessions. Optionally, support for IPv4 can be allowed on certain
> >> >> >> interfaces, but clearly should not deal with IPv4, NAT's or allo=
w
> >> >> >> IPv4-only solutions.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I don't understand that. In my enterprise, I have IPv4-only wirele=
ss
> >> >> >access points yet there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
> >>When
> >> >> >I switch over to 4G wireless, I again get IPv4-only access but aga=
in
> >> >> >there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If the mobility management mechanism supports IPv6 over IPv4
> >>tunneling
> >> >> >(possibly including NATs in the path), then the use case is
> >>satisfied;
> >> >> >otherwise, the use case is not satisfied.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Thanks - Fred
> >> >> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Regards
> >> >> >> Sri
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 6/18/14 8:43 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net>
> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Hi Fred,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Hi Jouni,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> >>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
> >> >> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
> >> >> >> >>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
> >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Fred,
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time).
> >>Although
> >> >>the
> >> >> >> >>> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not
> >> >> >>prohibit
> >> >> >> >>> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only
> >> >>solution
> >> >> >>as
> >> >> >> >>>a
> >> >> >> >>> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> However, a solution that works equally well whether the acces=
s
> >> >> >>networks
> >> >> >> >> are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages =
in
> >> >>terms
> >> >> >> >> of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think
> >>the
> >> >> >>charter
> >> >> >> >> is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to
> >> >>strike
> >> >> >>the
> >> >> >> >> following two sentences:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments a=
nd
> >> >> >> >>    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in
> >> >>situations
> >> >> >> >>    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 i=
s
> >> >> >> >>    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and t=
he
> >> >> >> >>    access networks."
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.
> >> >>Taking
> >> >> >>it
> >> >> >> >out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions=
.
> >> My
> >> >> >> >assessment of the winds within the community is that people are
> >>not
> >> >> >> >interested in new protocols for IPv4.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Just my opinion...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Brian
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> dmm mailing list
> >> >> >> dmm@ietf.org
> >> >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
> >> >
> >


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Isn't AERO becoming an RFC already?

Regards,

Behcet

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Templin, Fred L
<Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
> Hi Sri,
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:40 PM
>> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>
>> Hi Fred,
>>
>> > Or, have IPv4 built-in from the onset for free; wouldn't that be better?
>>
>> Cannot say without understanding the solution approach and the needed
>> effort. But, I guess with AERO, you have some effort in mind.
>
> I have code that, while not pretty, is astonishingly simple.
> I should be able to release that very soon.
>
> Thanks - Fred
> fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>
>> Any case, its WG/Chairs/AD call, but works for me.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Sri
>>
>>
>> On 6/19/14 1:34 PM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Sri,
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:32 PM
>> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >>
>> >> Hi Fred,
>> >>
>> >> Ack on the AERO capability.
>> >
>> >OK.
>> >
>> >> I have come to the conclusion that I have to deal with IPv4 for the rest
>> >> of my career (assuming some left). Surely, some day in 2016 is not some
>> >> thing that I'm looking at. My point is to limit the solution scope and
>> >>if
>> >> it happens that DMM solution is immensely successful, we can introduce
>> >> IPv4 interfaces in phases.
>> >
>> >Or, have IPv4 built-in from the onset for free; wouldn't that
>> >be better?
>> >
>> >Thanks - Fred
>> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >
>> >> Regards
>> >> Sri
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6/19/14 12:54 PM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
>> >>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi Sri,
>> >> >
>> >> >I will just repeat that AERO works equally well on IPv4-only, IPv6-only
>> >> >and dual-stacked access networks. This means that it can address real
>> >> >world use cases today that cannot be addressed by other mechanisms.
>> >> >
>> >> >As to schedule, who can truly say when IPv4 will be totally gone from
>> >> >all access networks? 2016 is just a date on a calendar; we have been
>> >> >waiting for IPv6 to fully replace IPv4 since about 1994, and AFAICT
>> >> >it still hasn't happened.
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks - Fred
>> >> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:33 PM
>> >> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Fred,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The DMM WG is still discussing PS and the related issues. By the
>> >>time we
>> >> >> adopt a solution and complete the work, we will surely be in 2016.
>> >>So,
>> >> >>is
>> >> >> it not safer to raise the bar and limit certain interfaces to
>> >>IPv6-only
>> >> >>?
>> >> >> I'm not arguing against adding any support for IPv4, but IMO the bar
>> >> >> should be high. We can certainly support all possible types of
>> >>networks,
>> >> >> IPv4-only transport, IPv4-only user plane, and IPv4-only services.
>> >>But,
>> >> >> looking at our current pace and doing some extrapolation, its safe to
>> >> >>say
>> >> >> we will bake this for a long time and so limiting the work scope IMO
>> >> >> helps. But, this is just my opinion/comment and personally don't
>> >>care if
>> >> >> some one wants to do the work and the chairs/AD/WG agree with it.
>> >>Also,
>> >> >>I
>> >> >> do not know yet how much of the solution work will really be
>> >>IP-version
>> >> >> dependent. Mostly some network interfaces and there IPv6 possibly is
>> >>a
>> >> >> safe assumption.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards
>> >> >> Sri
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 6/19/14 11:30 AM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
>> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Hi Sri,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri
>> >>Gundavelli
>> >> >> >>(sgundave)
>> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:20 AM
>> >> >> >> To: Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Agree. We should ensure the base solution supports IPv6 transport
>> >>and
>> >> >> >>user
>> >> >> >> sessions. Optionally, support for IPv4 can be allowed on certain
>> >> >> >> interfaces, but clearly should not deal with IPv4, NAT's or allow
>> >> >> >> IPv4-only solutions.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I don't understand that. In my enterprise, I have IPv4-only wireless
>> >> >> >access points yet there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
>> >>When
>> >> >> >I switch over to 4G wireless, I again get IPv4-only access but again
>> >> >> >there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >If the mobility management mechanism supports IPv6 over IPv4
>> >>tunneling
>> >> >> >(possibly including NATs in the path), then the use case is
>> >>satisfied;
>> >> >> >otherwise, the use case is not satisfied.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Thanks - Fred
>> >> >> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Regards
>> >> >> >> Sri
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 6/18/14 8:43 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net>
>> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Hi Fred,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> Hi Jouni,
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> >>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
>> >> >> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
>> >> >> >> >>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> Fred,
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time).
>> >>Although
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> >> >>> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not
>> >> >> >>prohibit
>> >> >> >> >>> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only
>> >> >>solution
>> >> >> >>as
>> >> >> >> >>>a
>> >> >> >> >>> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> However, a solution that works equally well whether the access
>> >> >> >>networks
>> >> >> >> >> are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in
>> >> >>terms
>> >> >> >> >> of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think
>> >>the
>> >> >> >>charter
>> >> >> >> >> is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to
>> >> >>strike
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >> >> following two sentences:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
>> >> >> >> >>    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in
>> >> >>situations
>> >> >> >> >>    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
>> >> >> >> >>    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
>> >> >> >> >>    access networks."
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.
>> >> >>Taking
>> >> >> >>it
>> >> >> >> >out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions.
>> >> My
>> >> >> >> >assessment of the winds within the community is that people are
>> >>not
>> >> >> >> >interested in new protocols for IPv4.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Just my opinion...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Brian
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
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I thought you said in your presentation that this draft is being
AD-sponsored or going thru ISE?

Regards,

Behcet

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Templin, Fred L
<Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
> Hi Behcet,
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 2:08 PM
>> To: Templin, Fred L
>> Cc: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave); Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>
>> Isn't AERO becoming an RFC already?
>
> We already have RFC6706 as an experimental RFC, but I am working
> on a (bis) that will obsolete that:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-aerolink/
>
> The (bis) does not currently have a wg home, so I thought I would
> check to see if dmm would be a good home for it.
>
> Thanks - Fred
> fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Behcet
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Templin, Fred L
>> <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Sri,
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:40 PM
>> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >>
>> >> Hi Fred,
>> >>
>> >> > Or, have IPv4 built-in from the onset for free; wouldn't that be better?
>> >>
>> >> Cannot say without understanding the solution approach and the needed
>> >> effort. But, I guess with AERO, you have some effort in mind.
>> >
>> > I have code that, while not pretty, is astonishingly simple.
>> > I should be able to release that very soon.
>> >
>> > Thanks - Fred
>> > fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >
>> >> Any case, its WG/Chairs/AD call, but works for me.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Sri
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6/19/14 1:34 PM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi Sri,
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:32 PM
>> >> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Fred,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ack on the AERO capability.
>> >> >
>> >> >OK.
>> >> >
>> >> >> I have come to the conclusion that I have to deal with IPv4 for the rest
>> >> >> of my career (assuming some left). Surely, some day in 2016 is not some
>> >> >> thing that I'm looking at. My point is to limit the solution scope and
>> >> >>if
>> >> >> it happens that DMM solution is immensely successful, we can introduce
>> >> >> IPv4 interfaces in phases.
>> >> >
>> >> >Or, have IPv4 built-in from the onset for free; wouldn't that
>> >> >be better?
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks - Fred
>> >> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >> >
>> >> >> Regards
>> >> >> Sri
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 6/19/14 12:54 PM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
>> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Hi Sri,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I will just repeat that AERO works equally well on IPv4-only, IPv6-only
>> >> >> >and dual-stacked access networks. This means that it can address real
>> >> >> >world use cases today that cannot be addressed by other mechanisms.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >As to schedule, who can truly say when IPv4 will be totally gone from
>> >> >> >all access networks? 2016 is just a date on a calendar; we have been
>> >> >> >waiting for IPv6 to fully replace IPv4 since about 1994, and AFAICT
>> >> >> >it still hasn't happened.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Thanks - Fred
>> >> >> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
>> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:33 PM
>> >> >> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hi Fred,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The DMM WG is still discussing PS and the related issues. By the
>> >> >>time we
>> >> >> >> adopt a solution and complete the work, we will surely be in 2016.
>> >> >>So,
>> >> >> >>is
>> >> >> >> it not safer to raise the bar and limit certain interfaces to
>> >> >>IPv6-only
>> >> >> >>?
>> >> >> >> I'm not arguing against adding any support for IPv4, but IMO the bar
>> >> >> >> should be high. We can certainly support all possible types of
>> >> >>networks,
>> >> >> >> IPv4-only transport, IPv4-only user plane, and IPv4-only services.
>> >> >>But,
>> >> >> >> looking at our current pace and doing some extrapolation, its safe to
>> >> >> >>say
>> >> >> >> we will bake this for a long time and so limiting the work scope IMO
>> >> >> >> helps. But, this is just my opinion/comment and personally don't
>> >> >>care if
>> >> >> >> some one wants to do the work and the chairs/AD/WG agree with it.
>> >> >>Also,
>> >> >> >>I
>> >> >> >> do not know yet how much of the solution work will really be
>> >> >>IP-version
>> >> >> >> dependent. Mostly some network interfaces and there IPv6 possibly is
>> >> >>a
>> >> >> >> safe assumption.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Regards
>> >> >> >> Sri
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 6/19/14 11:30 AM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
>> >> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Hi Sri,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> >> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri
>> >> >>Gundavelli
>> >> >> >> >>(sgundave)
>> >> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:20 AM
>> >> >> >> >> To: Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Agree. We should ensure the base solution supports IPv6 transport
>> >> >>and
>> >> >> >> >>user
>> >> >> >> >> sessions. Optionally, support for IPv4 can be allowed on certain
>> >> >> >> >> interfaces, but clearly should not deal with IPv4, NAT's or allow
>> >> >> >> >> IPv4-only solutions.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I don't understand that. In my enterprise, I have IPv4-only wireless
>> >> >> >> >access points yet there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
>> >> >>When
>> >> >> >> >I switch over to 4G wireless, I again get IPv4-only access but again
>> >> >> >> >there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >If the mobility management mechanism supports IPv6 over IPv4
>> >> >>tunneling
>> >> >> >> >(possibly including NATs in the path), then the use case is
>> >> >>satisfied;
>> >> >> >> >otherwise, the use case is not satisfied.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Thanks - Fred
>> >> >> >> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Regards
>> >> >> >> >> Sri
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On 6/18/14 8:43 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net>
>> >> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >Hi Fred,
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Jouni,
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
>> >> >> >> >> >>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Fred,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time).
>> >> >>Although
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not
>> >> >> >> >>prohibit
>> >> >> >> >> >>> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only
>> >> >> >>solution
>> >> >> >> >>as
>> >> >> >> >> >>>a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> However, a solution that works equally well whether the access
>> >> >> >> >>networks
>> >> >> >> >> >> are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in
>> >> >> >>terms
>> >> >> >> >> >> of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think
>> >> >>the
>> >> >> >> >>charter
>> >> >> >> >> >> is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to
>> >> >> >>strike
>> >> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >> >> >> following two sentences:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
>> >> >> >> >> >>    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in
>> >> >> >>situations
>> >> >> >> >> >>    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
>> >> >> >> >> >>    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
>> >> >> >> >> >>    access networks."
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.
>> >> >> >>Taking
>> >> >> >> >>it
>> >> >> >> >> >out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions.
>> >> >> My
>> >> >> >> >> >assessment of the winds within the community is that people are
>> >> >>not
>> >> >> >> >> >interested in new protocols for IPv4.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Just my opinion...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Brian
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
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Hi Fred,

Thanks for clarifying.

We can maybe add your solution to the bunch classified as Mobile IP
based approach, even though it does not require client software in the
MN.
We have a PMIP based solution and a routing based solution.
All of these I think, form a good basis to work on in dmm.

My 2 cents.

Regards,

Behcet

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Templin, Fred L
<Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
> Hi Behcet,
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:57 PM
>> To: Templin, Fred L
>> Cc: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave); Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>>
>> I thought you said in your presentation that this draft is being
>> AD-sponsored or going thru ISE?
>
> I think maybe you are talking about RFC6706, which was AD sponsored.
> The (bis) has not been picked up by an AD sponsor nor a working group
> yet, and is IMHO too far along in its evolution to fall back and take
> it down the ISE path now. So, wg item would seem like a suitable path.
>
> Thanks - Fred
> fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Behcet
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Templin, Fred L
>> <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Behcet,
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com]
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 2:08 PM
>> >> To: Templin, Fred L
>> >> Cc: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave); Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >>
>> >> Isn't AERO becoming an RFC already?
>> >
>> > We already have RFC6706 as an experimental RFC, but I am working
>> > on a (bis) that will obsolete that:
>> >
>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-aerolink/
>> >
>> > The (bis) does not currently have a wg home, so I thought I would
>> > check to see if dmm would be a good home for it.
>> >
>> > Thanks - Fred
>> > fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Behcet
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Templin, Fred L
>> >> <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
>> >> > Hi Sri,
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:40 PM
>> >> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Fred,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Or, have IPv4 built-in from the onset for free; wouldn't that be better?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cannot say without understanding the solution approach and the needed
>> >> >> effort. But, I guess with AERO, you have some effort in mind.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have code that, while not pretty, is astonishingly simple.
>> >> > I should be able to release that very soon.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks - Fred
>> >> > fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >> >
>> >> >> Any case, its WG/Chairs/AD call, but works for me.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards
>> >> >> Sri
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 6/19/14 1:34 PM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Hi Sri,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
>> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:32 PM
>> >> >> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hi Fred,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Ack on the AERO capability.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >OK.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> I have come to the conclusion that I have to deal with IPv4 for the rest
>> >> >> >> of my career (assuming some left). Surely, some day in 2016 is not some
>> >> >> >> thing that I'm looking at. My point is to limit the solution scope and
>> >> >> >>if
>> >> >> >> it happens that DMM solution is immensely successful, we can introduce
>> >> >> >> IPv4 interfaces in phases.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Or, have IPv4 built-in from the onset for free; wouldn't that
>> >> >> >be better?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Thanks - Fred
>> >> >> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Regards
>> >> >> >> Sri
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 6/19/14 12:54 PM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
>> >> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Hi Sri,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I will just repeat that AERO works equally well on IPv4-only, IPv6-only
>> >> >> >> >and dual-stacked access networks. This means that it can address real
>> >> >> >> >world use cases today that cannot be addressed by other mechanisms.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >As to schedule, who can truly say when IPv4 will be totally gone from
>> >> >> >> >all access networks? 2016 is just a date on a calendar; we have been
>> >> >> >> >waiting for IPv6 to fully replace IPv4 since about 1994, and AFAICT
>> >> >> >> >it still hasn't happened.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Thanks - Fred
>> >> >> >> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> >> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
>> >> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:33 PM
>> >> >> >> >> To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Hi Fred,
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> The DMM WG is still discussing PS and the related issues. By the
>> >> >> >>time we
>> >> >> >> >> adopt a solution and complete the work, we will surely be in 2016.
>> >> >> >>So,
>> >> >> >> >>is
>> >> >> >> >> it not safer to raise the bar and limit certain interfaces to
>> >> >> >>IPv6-only
>> >> >> >> >>?
>> >> >> >> >> I'm not arguing against adding any support for IPv4, but IMO the bar
>> >> >> >> >> should be high. We can certainly support all possible types of
>> >> >> >>networks,
>> >> >> >> >> IPv4-only transport, IPv4-only user plane, and IPv4-only services.
>> >> >> >>But,
>> >> >> >> >> looking at our current pace and doing some extrapolation, its safe to
>> >> >> >> >>say
>> >> >> >> >> we will bake this for a long time and so limiting the work scope IMO
>> >> >> >> >> helps. But, this is just my opinion/comment and personally don't
>> >> >> >>care if
>> >> >> >> >> some one wants to do the work and the chairs/AD/WG agree with it.
>> >> >> >>Also,
>> >> >> >> >>I
>> >> >> >> >> do not know yet how much of the solution work will really be
>> >> >> >>IP-version
>> >> >> >> >> dependent. Mostly some network interfaces and there IPv6 possibly is
>> >> >> >>a
>> >> >> >> >> safe assumption.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Regards
>> >> >> >> >> Sri
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On 6/19/14 11:30 AM, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
>> >> >> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >Hi Sri,
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> >> >> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri
>> >> >> >>Gundavelli
>> >> >> >> >> >>(sgundave)
>> >> >> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:20 AM
>> >> >> >> >> >> To: Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Agree. We should ensure the base solution supports IPv6 transport
>> >> >> >>and
>> >> >> >> >> >>user
>> >> >> >> >> >> sessions. Optionally, support for IPv4 can be allowed on certain
>> >> >> >> >> >> interfaces, but clearly should not deal with IPv4, NAT's or allow
>> >> >> >> >> >> IPv4-only solutions.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >I don't understand that. In my enterprise, I have IPv4-only wireless
>> >> >> >> >> >access points yet there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
>> >> >> >>When
>> >> >> >> >> >I switch over to 4G wireless, I again get IPv4-only access but again
>> >> >> >> >> >there are IPv6 services within the enterprise.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >If the mobility management mechanism supports IPv6 over IPv4
>> >> >> >>tunneling
>> >> >> >> >> >(possibly including NATs in the path), then the use case is
>> >> >> >>satisfied;
>> >> >> >> >> >otherwise, the use case is not satisfied.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Thanks - Fred
>> >> >> >> >> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> Regards
>> >> >> >> >> >> Sri
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/18/14 8:43 AM, "Brian Haberman" <brian@innovationslab.net>
>> >> >> >> >>wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Hi Fred,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Jouni,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com]
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Fred,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time).
>> >> >> >>Although
>> >> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> charter does emphasize IPv6 as the base solution it does not
>> >> >> >> >> >>prohibit
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> adding IPv4 support. It is just we can accept an IPv6-only
>> >> >> >> >>solution
>> >> >> >> >> >>as
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> valid & complete solution from DMM point of view.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> However, a solution that works equally well whether the access
>> >> >> >> >> >>networks
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> are IPv6-only, dual-stack, or IPv4-only has clear advantages in
>> >> >> >> >>terms
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> of near-term deployment in real networks. Therefore, I think
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >> >> >>charter
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> is currently saying _too much_. My new proposal is simply to
>> >> >> >> >>strike
>> >> >> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> following two sentences:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>   "DMM solutions are primarily targeted at IPv6 deployments and
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>    should not be required to support IPv4, specifically in
>> >> >> >> >>situations
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>    where private IPv4 addresses and/or NATs are used.  IPv6 is
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>    assumed to be present in both the mobile host/router and the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>    access networks."
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >The above has been a part of the DMM charter for a long time.
>> >> >> >> >>Taking
>> >> >> >> >> >>it
>> >> >> >> >> >> >out would appear to be opening the door for IPv4-only solutions.
>> >> >> >> My
>> >> >> >> >> >> >assessment of the winds within the community is that people are
>> >> >> >>not
>> >> >> >> >> >> >interested in new protocols for IPv4.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Just my opinion...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Brian
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
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I don't agree. Having two sessions is going to take us away from some
other sessions and it is going to increase the conflicts in our
schedule, etc.

Why don't we use dmm list rather than listing 17 or so names?

Behcet

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Kostas Pentikousis
<k.pentikousis@eict.de> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I second=E2=80=8E Albert on asking for 2 slots. One can focus on the char=
ter and finalizing agreement so we can move on in concert, and the second c=
an be used for the solution presentation plus discussion.
>
> Best regards - - Kostas
>   Original Message
> From: Alper Yegin
> Sent: Freitag, 20. Juni 2014 09:53
> To: Jouni Korhonen; Dapeng Liu
> Cc: Hidetoshi Yokota; Sri Gundavelli; Behcet Sarikaya; karagian@cs.utwent=
e.nl; Kostas Pentikousis; Marco Liebsch; Peter McCann; h chan; Ryuji Wakika=
wa; Juan Carlos Zuniga; Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano; Suresh Krishnan; =
pierrick.seite@orange.com IMT/OLN; Charlie Perkins; Danny Moses; Jungshin P=
ark; John Kaippallimalil
> Subject: Toronto DMM discussions
>
>
> Hello DMM chairs, folks,
>
> What is the plan for the IETF Toronto meeting?
>
> We'd finalize the new charter and seek (and get?) AD approval?
>
> Also, on the solution discussions front, can we make significant progress=
?
> I hope chairs have already requested two full slots. We really need to ha=
ve a big bandwidth for discussions.
>
> One idea could be:
> - Let all active solutions present, briefly.
> - Seek input from WG members during the presentations (maybe not have a b=
idirectional discussion, as time may not permit. Instead, let the presenter=
s and WG members collect all the "input")
> - Have a discussion about how to deal with the plethora of solutions on t=
he table. Decide on a structure to make progress.
>
> Especially the third item may go over time (beyond 2 meeting slots).
> In order to deal with that, let's also have an extension meeting. Like th=
e unofficial Bar Bof people do -- reserve a meeting room. Let's fix the dat=
e on that extension meeting as soon as IETF agenda is out.
>
> =E2=80=A6.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> Alper
>
>
>
>
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How are we going to make progress on solution discussions when all we =
have is a single 2-hr session for the whole DMM WG?


Begin forwarded message:

> From: IETF Agenda <agenda@ietf.org>
> Subject: IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda
> Date: June 23, 2014 10:16:20 PM GMT+03:00
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> Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org, IETF Agenda <agenda@ietf.org>
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>=20
> The IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda has been posted. The final agenda will =
be published on Friday, June 27th, 2014. Currently Registration and =
Breaks are not displaying. This will be remedied on the final agenda.
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.html=20
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.txt=20
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> More information regarding IETF 90 in Toronto, ON, Canada is located =
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> Thank you!=20
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
"><div><br></div>How are we going to make progress on solution =
discussions when all we have is a single 2-hr session for the whole DMM =
WG?<div><br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">IETF Agenda &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:agenda@ietf.org">agenda@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br></span></div><d=
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margin-left: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: =
</b></span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium;"><b>IETF 90 Preliminary =
Agenda</b><br></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span =
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GMT+03:00<br></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span =
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font-size:medium;">IETF Announcement List &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ietf-announce@ietf.org">ietf-announce@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><=
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margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, =
1.0);"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium;"><a =
href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org">ietf@ietf.org</a><br></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
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</b></span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><a =
href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org">ietf@ietf.org</a>, IETF Agenda &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:agenda@ietf.org">agenda@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br></span></div><b=
r><div><br>The IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda has been posted. The final =
agenda will be published on Friday, June 27th, 2014. Currently =
Registration and Breaks are not displaying. This will be remedied on the =
final agenda.<br><br><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.html">https://datat=
racker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.html</a> <br><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.txt">https://datatr=
acker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.txt</a> <br><br>More information =
regarding IETF 90 in Toronto, ON, Canada is located here: <a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/index.html">https://www.ietf.org/m=
eeting/90/index.html</a> <br><br>Thank you! <br><br>IETF =
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I see 2 sessions in the agenda.

H Anthony Chan

From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 2:26 PM
To: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: [DMM] Fwd: IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda


How are we going to make progress on solution discussions when all we have =
is a single 2-hr session for the whole DMM WG?


Begin forwarded message:


From: IETF Agenda <agenda@ietf.org<mailto:agenda@ietf.org>>
Subject: IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda
Date: June 23, 2014 10:16:20 PM GMT+03:00
To: IETF Announcement List <ietf-announce@ietf.org<mailto:ietf-announce@iet=
f.org>>
Cc: ietf@ietf.org<mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org<mailto:ietf@ietf.org>, IETF Agenda <agenda@ietf.org=
<mailto:agenda@ietf.org>>


The IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda has been posted. The final agenda will be pu=
blished on Friday, June 27th, 2014. Currently Registration and Breaks are n=
ot displaying. This will be remedied on the final agenda.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.html
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.txt

More information regarding IETF 90 in Toronto, ON, Canada is located here: =
https://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/index.html

Thank you!

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">H Anthony Chan<o:p></o:p>=
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lto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alper Yegin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 23, 2014 2:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> dmm@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DMM] Fwd: IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How are we going to make progress on solution discus=
sions when all we have is a single 2-hr session for the whole DMM WG?<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">IETF Agenda &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:agenda@ietf.org=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Subject: IETF 90 Preliminary Agend=
a</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Date:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot=
;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">June 23, 2014 10:16:20 PM GMT&#43;03:00</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">To:
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;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">IETF Announcement List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot=
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>, IETF Agenda &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:agenda@ietf.org">agenda@ietf.org</a>&g=
t;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
The IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda has been posted. The final agenda will be pu=
blished on Friday, June 27th, 2014. Currently Registration and Breaks are n=
ot displaying. This will be remedied on the final agenda.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.html">https://dat=
atracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.html</a>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.txt">https://data=
tracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.txt</a>
<br>
<br>
More information regarding IETF 90 in Toronto, ON, Canada is located here: =
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/index.html">
https://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/index.html</a> <br>
<br>
Thank you! <br>
<br>
IETF Secretariat<o:p></o:p></p>
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Oops, I missed the second one :-)
Sorry for the false alarm.

On Jun 23, 2014, at 11:15 PM, h chan wrote:

> I see 2 sessions in the agenda.
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> H Anthony Chan
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> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 2:26 PM
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> Subject: [DMM] Fwd: IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda
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> How are we going to make progress on solution discussions when all we =
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> From: IETF Agenda <agenda@ietf.org>
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> Date: June 23, 2014 10:16:20 PM GMT+03:00
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> The IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda has been posted. The final agenda will =
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Breaks are not displaying. This will be remedied on the final agenda.
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.html=20
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<html><head><base href=3D"x-msg://5/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: =
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after-white-space; ">Oops, I missed the second one :-)<div>Sorry for the =
false alarm.</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 23, 2014, at 11:15 PM, h =
chan wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
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Preliminary Agenda<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
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Agenda</span></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
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23, 2014 10:16:20 PM GMT+03:00</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div =
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margin-bottom: 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; "><br>The IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda has been posted. The final =
agenda will be published on Friday, June 27th, 2014. Currently =
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Friday (after)noon session :)

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Alper Yegin <alper.yegin@yegin.org> wrote:
> Oops, I missed the second one :-)
> Sorry for the false alarm.
>
> On Jun 23, 2014, at 11:15 PM, h chan wrote:
>
> I see 2 sessions in the agenda.
>
> H Anthony Chan
>
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 2:26 PM
> To: dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: [DMM] Fwd: IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda
>
>
> How are we going to make progress on solution discussions when all we have
> is a single 2-hr session for the whole DMM WG?
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
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All,
     It wasn't a false alarm.  The original request from the chairs was
for a single session.  The chairs contacted me today and asked about the
possibility of a second slot.  I was able to work that out with the
Secretariat before most of you reviewed the schedule.  Thank the
Secretariat (Stephanie, in particular) for being so willing to add an
additional DMM slot.

Regards,
Brian

On 6/23/14 5:01 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
> Oops, I missed the second one :-)
> Sorry for the false alarm.
>=20
> On Jun 23, 2014, at 11:15 PM, h chan wrote:
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>> I see 2 sessions in the agenda.
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>> H Anthony Chan
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>> How are we going to make progress on solution discussions when all we =
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Just a note or two here, now that we have even extended time to spend.. 
There has been very little discussion about I-Ds and topics people wish 
to bring into the _meeting_agenda_ outside AERO. Last meter 
contributions that materialize out of nowhere are not really adviseable. 
So if you have stuff in mind or waiting for 4th July deadline, bring in 
to the DMM list prior that and initiate the discussion. Ultimately, the 
meeting f2f time should be used to solve issues not watching slides ;-)

- Jouni & Dapeng


6/23/2014 10:25 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
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> How are we going to make progress on solution discussions when all we
> have is a single 2-hr session for the whole DMM WG?
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
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>> *From: *IETF Agenda <agenda@ietf.org <mailto:agenda@ietf.org>>
>> *Subject: **IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda*
>> *Date: *June 23, 2014 10:16:20 PM GMT+03:00
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>> Breaks are not displaying. This will be remedied on the final agenda.
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.html
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>>
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Hello All, =20

We now have two time slots in the upcoming meeting. Please send agenda it=
ems to the chairs. =20

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> Hello All, =20
> =20
> The July meeting is approaching and It is time to prepare the agenda fo=
r the upcoming meeting.
> =20
> We have almost finished the working group work of the work items listed=
 in the current charter. The requirement document is being reviewed by IE=
SG and gap analysis document will soon finish WGLC. Hopefully we can reso=
lve the left comments of those two working group documents by email befor=
e the July meeting. Then we can focus on the re-charter discussion and an=
y other new proposals in the July meeting.
> =20
> So please send to chairs the the following information if you want to p=
resent something in the upcoming July meeting.
> Name of the presentation
> Link of the draft
> Time needed =20
> =20
> =20
> Thanks,
> -- =20
> Dapeng Liu&Jouni
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                <div>Hello All,
                </div><div><br></div><div>We now have two time slots in t=
he upcoming meeting. Please send agenda items to the chairs.</div>
                <div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng&amp;Jo=
un</div></div>
                =20
                <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>=E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B4=
6=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E4=BA=94=EF=BC=8C14:50=EF=BC=8CDa=
peng Liu =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A</p>
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                    <span><div><div>
                <div>
                    Hello All,
                </div><div><br></div><div>The July meeting is approaching=
 and It is time to prepare the agenda for the upcoming meeting.</div><div=
><br></div><div>We have almost finished the working group work of the wor=
k items listed in the current charter. The requirement document is being =
reviewed by IESG and gap analysis document will soon finish WGLC. Hopeful=
ly we can resolve the left comments of those two working group documents =
by email before the July meeting. Then we can focus on the re-charter dis=
cussion and any other new proposals in the July meeting.</div><div><br></=
div><div>So please send to chairs the the following information if you wa=
nt to present something in the upcoming July meeting.</div><div><ul><li>N=
ame of the presentation</li><li>Link of the draft</li><li>Time needed&nbs=
p;</li></ul></div>
                <div><div>Thanks,</div><div>--&nbsp;</div><div>Dapeng Liu=
&amp;Jouni</div></div>
            </div></div></span>
                =20
                =20
                =20
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                    <br>
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Hello folks,

Pierrick will be giving another talk, this one titled "IP Mobility =
Protocols for Multihomed Residential Gateways (RG) in Fixed Networks".

I've setup a doodle for determining the time slot: =
http://doodle.com/733h3d9drdz78i2d

Register your available times on the doodle no later then the end of =
Wednesday.

(Note: This talk is in addition to what Pierrick will be delivering this =
week which is already scheduled for July 2, Wednesday, 4pm CET)

Cheers,

Alper


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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hello folks,<div><br></div><div>Pierrick will be giving another talk, this one titled "IP Mobility Protocols for Multihomed Residential Gateways (RG) in Fixed Networks".</div><div><br></div><div>I've setup a doodle for determining the time slot:&nbsp;<a href="http://doodle.com/733h3d9drdz78i2d">http://doodle.com/733h3d9drdz78i2d</a></div><div><br></div><div>Register your available times on the doodle <u>no later then the end of Wednesday</u>.</div><div><br></div><div>(Note: This talk is in addition to what Pierrick will be delivering this week which is already scheduled for July 2, Wednesday, 4pm CET)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Alper</div><div><br></div></body></html>
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