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Hi,
I am a trainee, working on an implementation of the DMSP with Aur=E9lien =
Guillou from France Telecom.=20
Trying to clarify the specification (draft-engelsma-dmsp-01.txt) with a =
schema, it seems that something is missing...=20
Concerning the VUA state machine, CONN_CLOSED state is supposed to be =
the start point, right ?=20
In this case, there should be a transition from CONN_CLOSED to =
VXML_START_RCVD.=20
Something like that:=20
+--------------------+-----------------+---------------+=20
| Event              | Next State      | Action        |=20
+--------------------+-----------------+---------------+=20
| Rx(SIG_VXML_START) | VXML_START_RCVD | N(VXML_START) |=20
+--------------------+-----------------+---------------+=20
should be add to the point 4.4.2.1. of the draft where the CONN_CLOSED =
state of the VUA state machine is outlined.=20
Do you agree ?=20
Thanks for answering=20
Best regards=20
Fabien Bodin=20
P.S: I apologize for my english :)=20


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<P><SPAN LANG=3D"fr"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Hi,</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"fr"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I am a trainee, =
working on an implementation of the DMSP with Aur=E9lien Guillou from =
France Telecom.</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> =
</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"fr"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Trying to clarify =
the specification (draft-engelsma-dmsp-01.txt) with a schema, it seems =
that something is missing...</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New =
Roman"> </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"fr"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Concerning the VUA =
state machine, CONN_CLOSED state is supposed to be the start point, =
right ?</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"fr"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">In this case, there =
should be a transition from CONN_CLOSED to VXML_START_RCVD.</FONT><FONT =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Something like that:</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Courier =
New">+--------------------+-----------------+---------------+<BR>
| =
Event&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp; | Next State&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | =
Action&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<BR>
+--------------------+-----------------+---------------+<BR>
| Rx(SIG_VXML_START) | VXML_START_RCVD | N(VXML_START) |<BR>
+--------------------+-----------------+---------------+</FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">should be add to</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> <FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">the point =
4.4.2.1. of the draft where the CONN_CLOSED state of the VUA state =
machine is outlined.</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> =
</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"fr"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Do you agree =
?</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"fr"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Thanks for =
answering</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"fr"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Best =
regards</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"fr"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Fabien =
Bodin</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"fr"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">P.S: I apologize for =
my english :)</FONT><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New Roman"> =
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Fabien,

Yes, you are correct.  The Rx(SIG_VXML_START) event needs to be added to =
the VUA state machine in section 4.4.2.1 as you have specified in your =
mail.  I have updated in the next version of the specification.

Good find!

Thanks,
-jre

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Hi,=20
I am a trainee, working on an implementation of the DMSP with Aur=E9lien =
Guillou from France Telecom.=20
Trying to clarify the specification (draft-engelsma-dmsp-01.txt) with a =
schema, it seems that something is missing...=20
Concerning the VUA state machine, CONN_CLOSED state is supposed to be =
the start point, right ?=20
In this case, there should be a transition from CONN_CLOSED to =
VXML_START_RCVD.
Something like that:
+--------------------+-----------------+---------------+
| Event              | Next State      | Action        |
+--------------------+-----------------+---------------+
| Rx(SIG_VXML_START) | VXML_START_RCVD | N(VXML_START) |
+--------------------+-----------------+---------------+
should be add to the point 4.4.2.1. of the draft where the CONN_CLOSED =
state of the VUA state machine is outlined.=20
Do you agree ?=20
Thanks for answering=20
Best regards=20
Fabien Bodin=20
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Howdy,
	This BoF has been approved; thanks for putting it together.  Since
the conflict with SPEECHSC is noted below, you may want to publish the
intent to hold a BoF there, as well as the usual places (discuss@apps.ietf.org
and potentially ietf@ietf.org, depending on your noise tolerance).
			regards,
				Ted Hardie


At 8:17 AM +0800 5/23/06, Chris Cross wrote:
>Please consider our request for a Birds of a Feather session at the next IETF meeting in Montreal.
>
>Distributed Multimodal Synchronization Protocol [DMSP]
>
>BOF Chair: Nathaniel Borenstein <nborenst@us.ibm.com>
>
>AREA under which Working Group or BOF appears: Applications Area
>
>CONFLICTS: SPEECHSC is for the same community, more or less.
>
>Expected Attendance: 30
>
>Special requests (i.e. multicast, specific day of the week): None
>
>Number of slots: 1
>
>Length of slot: 2 hours
>
>
>AGENDA FOR DMSP BOF
>
>Chair: Nathaniel Borenstein, IBM
>
>Area Directors: <mailto:hardie@qualcomm.com>Ted Hardie <hardie@qualcomm.com> <mailto:lisa@osafoundation.org>Lisa Dusseault <lisa@osafoundation.org>
>
>I. Note Well, Blue Sheets, Introductions
>
>II. DMSP Overview and Discussion -- Chris Cross, IBM, and J. Engelsma, Motorola
>	(Initial I-D at <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-engelsma-dmsp-01.txt>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-engelsma-dmsp-01.txt)
>
>III. Goals for a Possible WG
>	(We will circulate a draft charter before the meeting.)
>
>IV. Next Steps
>	-- Create WG?
>	-- Revise I-D?
>
>
>Description:
>The goal of this BoF is to understand the need and discuss the creation of
>a working group to create a protocol for the synchronization of modalities
>in a distributed multimodal system.
>
>The advancement of wireless networking, mobile computing, and voice
>processing technologies have created a mobile computing environment
>where access to network based content and services is possible from
>mobile devices. While the compact form factor of these devices is an
>essential and desirable characteristic from the mobility perspective,
>it unfortunately gives rise to a "user interface bottleneck". That
>is, the small displays and limited keypads are significant barriers
>to usability. The aim of multimodal user interfaces is to enhance
>the usability of mobile devices.
>
>The term "multimodal interface" in the context of this specification
>refers to augmenting the existing graphical user interface (GUI) of
>mobile devices with a voice user interface (VUI). In this way, the
>strengths of one modality offset the weaknesses of the other. For
>example, use speech to enter data that would be tedious to enter on a
>small keypad. Similarly, use tactile input to disambiguate or
>confirm speech recognition results, or in lieu of speech recognition
>in a noisy environment. Speech output also improves the
>accessibility of mobile applications for visually impaired users and
>is a means for addressing growing safety concerns by providing hands-
>free operation. A visual display helps the user better retain and
>interpret information presented audibly via speech prompts.
>
>The DMSP internet draft elaborates on a broad architectural framework that combines
>the existing web and VoiceXML (Voice Extensible Markup Language)
>ecosystems and the industry standards upon which they are based. The
>scope of the specification is limited to one particular
>architectural configuration within this framework: the coordination
>of a GUI browser or application running on a mobile device with a
>VoiceXML browser running in the network. The Distributed Multimodal
>Synchronization Protocol (DMSP) accomplishes this. The ID is located at
><http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-engelsma-dmsp-01.txt>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-engelsma-dmsp-01.txt and we have a
>mail list at dmsp@ietf.org.
>
>
>thanks,
>chris
>
>
>Chris Cross
>Multimodal Browser Architect
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Would anyone here mind if we pushed the DMSP BOF to the 3:10pm slot
(Afternoon Session II) on Wednesday?  The current slot, Afternoon
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Hi Ted,
Eric Burger pointed out to me that we're scheduled at the same time as =
the
SIP WG which is attended by some voice folks who might be interested in=

DMSP. Is it possible to move us to the 1510 slot the same day?

thanks,
chris


Chris Cross
Multimodal Browser Architect
_______________________
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xcross@us.ibm.com
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Send a note to Ted. You can blame it on me J


From: Chris Cross [mailto:xcross@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:39 AM
To: Burger, Eric
Subject: Re: [Dmsp] BOF Scheduling



"Burger, Eric" <eburger@cantata.com> wrote on 06/19/2006 08:23:43 AM:

> Would anyone here mind if we pushed the DMSP BOF to the 3:10pm slot
> (Afternoon Session II) on Wednesday?  The current slot, Afternoon
> Session I, conflicts with SIP, which might take out a few people that=

> would want to participate and support the BOF effort.
>

I'm ok with it. What's the process to request a change?

thanks,
chris


Chris Cross
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_______________________
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xcross@us.ibm.com
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<p>Hi Ted,<br>
Eric Burger pointed out to me that we're scheduled at the same time as =
the SIP WG which is attended by some voice folks who might be intereste=
d in DMSP. Is it possible to move us to the 1510 slot the same day?<br>=

<br>
thanks,<br>
chris<br>
<br>
<br>
Chris Cross<br>
Multimodal Browser Architect<br>
_______________________<br>
IBM Boca Raton<br>
xcross@us.ibm.com<br>
office 561 862 2102<br>
mobile 561 317 0700<br>
fax 501 641 6727<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" color=3D"#800080">----- Forwarded by Chris Cross/West =
Palm Beach/IBM on 06/20/2006 07:36 AM -----</font><br>
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100%"><img width=3D"1" height=3D"1" src=3D"cid:2__=3D0ABBFB00DFAC49878f=
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<font color=3D"#000080" face=3D"Arial">Send a note to Ted. You can blam=
e it on me </font><font color=3D"#000080" face=3D"Wingdings">J</font><f=
ont color=3D"#000080" face=3D"Arial"> </font><br>
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r width=3D"100%" size=3D"2" align=3D"center"></div><b><font face=3D"Tah=
oma">From:</font></b><font face=3D"Tahoma"> Chris Cross [<a href=3D"mai=
lto:xcross@us.ibm.com">mailto:xcross@us.ibm.com</a>] </font><b><font fa=
ce=3D"Tahoma"><br>
Sent:</font></b><font face=3D"Tahoma"> Monday, June 19, 2006 8:39 AM</f=
ont><b><font face=3D"Tahoma"><br>
To:</font></b><font face=3D"Tahoma"> Burger, Eric</font><b><font face=3D=
"Tahoma"><br>
Subject:</font></b><font face=3D"Tahoma"> Re: [Dmsp] BOF Scheduling</fo=
nt><br>
<font size=3D"4" face=3D"Times New Roman"> </font>
<p><font face=3D"Courier New">&quot;Burger, Eric&quot; &lt;eburger@cant=
ata.com&gt; wrote on 06/19/2006 08:23:43 AM:<br>
<br>
&gt; Would anyone here mind if we pushed the DMSP BOF to the 3:10pm slo=
t<br>
&gt; (Afternoon Session II) on Wednesday?  The current slot, Afternoon<=
br>
&gt; Session I, conflicts with SIP, which might take out a few people t=
hat<br>
&gt; would want to participate and support the BOF effort.<br>
&gt; </font><font size=3D"4" face=3D"Times New Roman"><br>
</font><font face=3D"Courier New"><br>
I'm ok with it. What's the process to request a change?</font><font siz=
e=3D"4" face=3D"Times New Roman"><br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
chris<br>
<br>
<br>
Chris Cross<br>
Multimodal Browser Architect<br>
_______________________<br>
IBM Boca Raton<br>
xcross@us.ibm.com<br>
office 561 862 2102<br>
mobile 561 317 0700<br>
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Hi,
The dmsp BoF is scheduled at the same time as sip on 1300 July 12. Is it
possible to move dmsp to the 1510 slot on July 12 to allow interested
members of sip to attend? If the 1510 July 12 slot is not open, please
leave the schedule as is.

thanks,
chris


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<p>Hi,<br>
The dmsp BoF is scheduled at the same time as sip on 1300 July 12. Is it possible to move dmsp to the 1510 slot on July 12 to allow interested members of sip to attend? If the 1510 July 12 slot is not open, please leave the schedule as is.<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
chris<br>
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I've uploaded an agenda for our BoF:
http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06jul/agenda/dmsp.txt . Its fairly ope=
n
but if anyone would like any specific changes please let me know.

thanks,
chris


Chris Cross
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<p>I've uploaded an agenda for our BoF: <a href=3D"http://www3.ietf.org=
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jul/agenda/dmsp.txt</a> . Its fairly open but if anyone would like any =
specific changes please let me know.<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
chris<br>
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<br>
Chris Cross<br>
Multimodal Browser Architect<br>
_______________________<br>
IBM Boca Raton<br>
xcross@us.ibm.com<br>
office 561 862 2102<br>
mobile 561 317 0700<br>
fax 501 641 6727<br>
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