From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 7 12:59:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C6F3A6B07; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:59:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08CA3A6B07 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:59:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b9-SX9ulsM6m for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2D83A695E for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KFwrZ-0007H8-5F; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:59:05 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1KFwqX-0005Pw-Ab; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:58:01 +0200 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:58:01 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20080707195801.GB13475@x27.adm.denic.de> References: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Planning for a Dublin DNS-Dir working session X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Dear fellow DNS directorate members, > The "traditional" Sunday evening slot is likely blocked for those of us > attending the BIND Forum meeting. following some feedback there is now a doodle poll open at . For those coming to Dublin I'd appreciate if you could fill out the form, for those not going to Ireland, please let me know off-line. An updated version of the agenda can be found below. Some feedback or on-list discussion could help focus our work and leaves more time for the food. Regards, Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meeting of the IETF DNS Directorate at IETF 72, Dublin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- DRAFT Agenda ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: TBD Location: TBD Revision: $Id: IETF72-Agenda.txt,v 1.3 2008/07/06 21:24:47 pk Exp $ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Welcome of new and returning members [ADs] 2) DNS Directorate Charter [ADs] 3) Methods of cooperation o (New) Mailing List o Meetings at IETF o Phone Calls o Wiki (?) 4) Modus operandi o Scheduling reviews based on IESG Agenda (post LC) o "unsolicited" reviews o Early review o Communicating a review o "Homepage" -> external communication 5) Other topics of general DNS relevance (in no particular order) o IAB Draft ("DNS Choices") o Returning Patterns of suboptimal/concerning use of the DNS o DNS and Cookie Spec Issues o DNS related language and terminology in RFCs o Weight of DNS considerations in IESG review o Pending IESG Statement on RFC 2606 ("example.org") and 2606bis o Fast Flux Draft Submitted to RFC Editor on Independent Submission Stream o Signing the DNS root o IANA accused of "bypassing" the IETF in setting up the TLD TAR o IRTF DNS related drafts - "DNS Blacklists and Whitelists" - "Guidelines for Management of DNSBLs for Email" o The Myth of 13 Root Name Servers ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 7 13:30:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A62428C1D4; 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Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:30:27 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m67KUNuv020869; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:30:27 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:30:27 -0400 Received: from rtp-townsley-vpn1.cisco.com ([10.83.1.98]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:30:25 -0400 Message-ID: <48727CD8.3010805@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:30:16 +0200 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Koch References: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> <20080707195801.GB13475@x27.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20080707195801.GB13475@x27.adm.denic.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2008 20:30:26.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A5FA400:01C8E070] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3040; t=1215462627; x=1216326627; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=townsley@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Townsley=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20Planning=20for=20a=20Dublin =20DNS-Dir=20working=20session |Sender:=20 |To:=20Peter=20Koch=20; bh=uSqMbPczBG6yk4xDnVldB7BBprROCUxsn1elljnrsG0=; b=m4xvZUm4VhsPtwEbr2+teT1jocuWaGRh9iZswymAGS5Y1LHwUJ2wo44Uz0 5RXeKg9Q7mKJXK0gPswIwol7pH7kzNvnBwD60nv1njhAkd5KdQ6oebRqFjRa 7+eTvDZWCH; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=townsley@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Planning for a Dublin DNS-Dir working session X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Peter Koch wrote: > Dear fellow DNS directorate members, > > >> The "traditional" Sunday evening slot is likely blocked for those of us >> attending the BIND Forum meeting. >> > > following some feedback there is now a doodle poll open > at . For those coming to Dublin > I'd appreciate if you could fill out the form, for those not going to > Ireland, please let me know off-line. > > An updated version of the agenda can be found below. Some feedback or on-list > discussion could help focus our work and leaves more time for the food. > > Regards, > Peter > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Meeting of the IETF DNS Directorate at IETF 72, Dublin > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > DRAFT Agenda > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: TBD > Location: TBD > Revision: $Id: IETF72-Agenda.txt,v 1.3 2008/07/06 21:24:47 pk Exp $ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 1) Welcome of new and returning members [ADs] > > 2) DNS Directorate Charter [ADs] > > 3) Methods of cooperation > > o (New) Mailing List > o Meetings at IETF > o Phone Calls > o Wiki (?) > > 4) Modus operandi > > o Scheduling reviews based on IESG Agenda (post LC) > o "unsolicited" reviews > o Early review > o Communicating a review > o "Homepage" -> external communication > > 5) Other topics of general DNS relevance > Would like to add (and no particular place in the list) o DNS ALG issues with NAT-PT o Potential DNS issues with "Carrier Grade NAT" Why these items? You will soon see that both will probably be fairly hot topics at this IETF. Thanks, - Mark > (in no particular order) > > o IAB Draft ("DNS Choices") > > o Returning Patterns of suboptimal/concerning use of the DNS > > o DNS and Cookie Spec Issues > > o DNS related language and terminology in RFCs > > o Weight of DNS considerations in IESG review > > o Pending IESG Statement on RFC 2606 ("example.org") and 2606bis > > > o Fast Flux Draft > > Submitted to RFC Editor on Independent Submission Stream > > o Signing the DNS root > > o IANA accused of "bypassing" the IETF in setting up the TLD TAR > > o IRTF DNS related drafts > - "DNS Blacklists and Whitelists" > > - "Guidelines for Management of DNSBLs for Email" > > > o The Myth of 13 Root Name Servers > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > > _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 7 23:25:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D94A28C112; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 23:25:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA6028C112 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 23:25:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.174 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.174 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NUMU3e3hR7B9 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 23:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5196328C107 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 23:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KG6e9-0007BM-KY; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:25:53 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1KG6d7-00028b-JH; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:24:49 +0200 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:24:49 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20080708062449.GA8006@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: [dns-dir] FWD [Re: draft-jennings-app-dns-update-00] X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org FYI, here's yet another DNS related proposal that we might want to have 9someone have) a look at. -Peter ----- Forwarded message from Peter Koch ----- From: Peter Koch To: Cullen Jennings Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: draft-jennings-app-dns-update-00 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:58:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <89A47DA0-8E2F-4247-A21F-E9B1777A0856@cisco.com> Delivered-To: apps-discuss@core3.amsl.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 09:12:24PM -0700, Cullen Jennings wrote: > > The draft proposes a HTTP based API to update DNS records similar to > the system at dyndns.org. Be pleased to get peoples thoughts but I'm a cursory review raises these questions from a DNS protocol and operational perspective: 1) We do have Dynamic Updates and EPP as "provisioning" protocols. Which deficiencies is this approach trying to address in particular? 2) The list of RR types is pretty arbitrary. Some RR type independence in the spirit of RFC 3597 would be urgently needed, making error "501" not occur. 3) How is the SOA serial increment initiated? 4) Interaction with DNSSEC needs to be described 5) What kind of intra-RRSet ordering is assumed in section 3? 6) Why would a user be allowed to add/modify/delete arbitrary RRSets? NITS: o SRV RRs require domain names as targets , not IP addresses o The reference to RFC 1464 ngling - which is OK, since 1464 has no practical relevance o The draft is aiming at Standards Track, but references the Experimental RFC 5205 in a way that should be normative -Peter _______________________________________________ Apps-Discuss mailing list Apps-Discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss ----- End forwarded message ----- _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 8 06:34:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067943A6876; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 06:34:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBEB3A6876 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 06:34:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_12=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zmXu+w4q80qZ for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 06:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e4.ny.us.ibm.com (e4.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.144]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3128D3A67F9 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 06:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e4.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m68DYHbn028756 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:34:17 -0400 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (d01av03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.217]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.0) with ESMTP id m68DYHgR165878 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:34:17 -0400 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m68DYHkL032484 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:34:17 -0400 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-234-131.mts.ibm.com [9.65.234.131]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m68DYF07032369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:34:16 -0400 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid-new [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.2/8.12.5) with ESMTP id m68DYDjc017064; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:34:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200807081334.m68DYDjc017064@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: Peter Koch In-reply-to: <20080708062449.GA8006@x27.adm.denic.de> References: <20080708062449.GA8006@x27.adm.denic.de> Comments: In-reply-to Peter Koch message dated "Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:24:49 +0200." Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:34:13 -0400 From: Thomas Narten Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] FWD [Re: draft-jennings-app-dns-update-00] X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org This one bears watching, if not close attention, because of the "problem" it sets out to solve: > 1. Introduction > > There are many circumstances in which an application would like to > have an easy way to update DNS records. The DynDNS service[5], > supported on many residential NATs, is one example: it updates a DNS > record to point at the NAT after the NAT receives a dynamically > assigned IP address. Another common use case is dynamically created > servers in elastic computing environments. When new servers are > created, they often need to update DNS records. > > The approach described in this specification allows a client to make > a simple HTTP[1] request to a server. The client is authenticated > using a shared secret. The server is authenticated with TLS, which > provides both integrity for the transaction and confidentiality for > the shared secret. The request contains information that instructs > the server to update a particular DNS record. The specification is > limited to updating a simple subset of DNS records and does not > support more complex operations such as the multiple changes that > need to happen as an atomic transactions. It also appears to have the following fatal flaw (you can't properly identify individual RRs within an RRset by an offset): > 3.2.1. Entries with multiple records > > Sometimes it is desirable to have multiple records of the same type > for the same name. For example, a domain may have multiple MX > records. The index parameter provides a number value, call it i, > that can be used to indicate that the i'th record MUST be updated. > The first record has an index value of 1, not 0. Two special values > are defined 0 and -1. > > The value 0 indicates that there should only be the single record and > all others MUST be removed. If a request does not have any index > parameters, it is processed as if the index parameter were 0. > > The index value -1 indicates that, unless the exact value already > exists in an existing record, the index MUST be added to the list of > existing records. When a record with an index value of -1 is updated > and the exact value already exists, a success response is returned, > exactly as if the value had not existed and had been appended. That said, its an individual submission and may only reflect the views of the author. Thomas _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 8 13:39:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746FD3A6AF0; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:39:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627633A6AF0 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:39:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fz0-JUgBcQ59 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyteen.hactrn.net (cyteen.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:210:5aff:fe86:1f54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790E23A698F for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (thrintun.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:219:d1ff:fe12:5d30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "thrintun.hactrn.net", Issuer "Grunchweather Associates" (verified OK)) by cyteen.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD70B28440 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 20:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by thrintun.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758C722808 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:40:06 -0400 From: Rob Austein To: IETF DNS Directorate In-Reply-To: <20080707195801.GB13475@x27.adm.denic.de> References: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> <20080707195801.GB13475@x27.adm.denic.de> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/21.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Message-Id: <20080708204006.758C722808@thrintun.hactrn.net> Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Planning for a Dublin DNS-Dir working session X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Given today's CERT advisory and massive multi-vendor patch, I suspect that some discussion related to port randomization will come up in Dublin. Kaminsky will be going public with the details of his attack at the Black Hat conference right after IETF, so expect some angst. I'm not sure how much actual work there is here for the IETF, given that the only real defense against this sort of thing is DNSSEC, which has been discussed once or twice before, but I doubt that will keep anybody from discussing it anyway. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 11 02:42:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CDB3A6B23; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:42:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221B03A6B23; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:42:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.566 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.566 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3wYPuvJNEit7; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA193A6B1D; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:42:44 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.30,344,1212379200"; d="scan'208";a="135024429" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 11 Jul 2008 05:43:01 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.30,344,1212379200"; d="scan'208";a="233650662" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 11 Jul 2008 05:43:00 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:42:48 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PRELIMINARY Agenda and Package for July 17, 2008 Telechat Thread-Index: Acji4rqfnaqh0NNTR62NcBgNs2o2+AAV0P+A From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" , , "IETF DNS Directorate" Subject: [dns-dir] FW: PRELIMINARY Agenda and Package for July 17, 2008 Telechat X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Please find below the preliminary agenda for the IESG telechat on 7/17. Please send me comments and concerns about the documents and WG charters brought for approval until Wednesday 7/16 COB. Thanks and Regards, Dan -----Original Message----- From: iesg-bounces@iesg.org [mailto:iesg-bounces@iesg.org] On Behalf Of IESG Secretary Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 2:14 AM 2.1 WG Submissions 2.1.1 New Item o draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-eventmess-13.txt Management Event Management Information Base (MIB) for PacketCable- and IPCablecom-Compliant Devices (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 6 Note: Richard Woundy [Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com] is the PROTO shepherd of this document. Token: Dan Romascanu o draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-08.txt A Two-way Active Measurement Protocol (TWAMP) (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 6 Note: Document Shepherd: Henk Uijterwaal (henk@ripe.net) Token: Lars Eggert o draft-ietf-geopriv-radius-lo-19.txt Carrying Location Objects in RADIUS and Diameter (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 6 Token: Cullen Jennings o draft-ietf-sipping-capacity-attribute-06.txt Extensible Markup Language (XML) Format Extension for Representing Copy Control Attributes in Resource Lists (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 6 Token: Jon Peterson o draft-ietf-pwe3-enet-mib-13.txt Ethernet Pseudowire (PW) Management Information Base (MIB) (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 6 Token: Mark Townsley o draft-ietf-pwe3-pw-mpls-mib-14.txt Pseudowire (PW) over MPLS PSN Management Information Base (MIB) (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 6 Token: Mark Townsley 2.1.2 Returning Item NONE 2.2 Individual Submissions 2.2.1 New Item o draft-goncalves-rfc3534bis-07.txt Ogg Media Types (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 2 Note: Intended for AD sponsoring Token: Magnus Westerlund o draft-black-ipsec-ikev2-aead-modes-01.txt Using Authenticated Encryption Algorithms with the Encrypted Payload of the Internet Key Exchange version 2 (IKEv2) Protocol (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 2 Note: pseudo Last Call on ipsec@ietf.org Token: Tim Polk 2.2.2 Returning Item NONE 3. Document Actions 3.1 WG Submissions Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a reasonable contribution to the area of Internet engineering which it covers? If not, what changes would make it so?" 3.1.1 New Item o draft-ietf-psamp-framework-13.txt A Framework for Packet Selection and Reporting (Informational) - 1 of 3 Token: Dan Romascanu o draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-soft-errors-08.txt TCP's Reaction to Soft Errors (Informational) - 2 of 3 Note: Document Shepherd: Mark Allman (mallman@icir.org) Token: Lars Eggert o draft-ietf-mext-aaa-ha-goals-01.txt AAA Goals for Mobile IPv6 (Informational) - 3 of 3 Token: Jari Arkko 3.1.2 Returning Item NONE 3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a reasonable contribution to the area of Internet engineering which it covers? If not, what changes would make it so?" 3.2.1 New Item NONE 3.2.2 Returning Item NONE 3.3 Independent Submissions Via RFC Editor The IESG will use RFC 3932 responses: 1) The IESG has not found any conflict between this document and IETF work; 2) The IESG thinks that this work is related to IETF work done in WG , but this does not prevent publishing; 3) The IESG thinks that publication is harmful to work in WG and recommends not publishing at this time; 4) The IESG thinks that this document violates the IETF procedures for and should therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG approval; 5) The IESG thinks that this document extends an IETF protocol in a way that requires IETF review and should therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG approval. The document shepherd must propose one of these responses in the Data Tracker note and supply complete text in the IESG Note portion of the write-up. The Area Director ballot positions indicate consensus with the response proposed by the document shepherd. Other matters may be recorded in comments, and the comments will be passed on to the RFC Editor as community review of the document. 3.3.1 New Item o draft-sanjib-private-vlan-09.txt Cisco Systems' Private VLANs: Scalable Security in a Multi-Client Environment (Informational) - 1 of 1 Note: This is an independent submission, going on telechat for RFC3932 check. Token: Mark Townsley 3.3.2 Returning Item NONE 3.3.3 For Action o draft-lochter-pkix-brainpool-ecc-01.txt ECC Brainpool Standard Curves and Curve Generation (Informational) - 1 of 1 Token: Tim Polk 4. Working Group Actions 4.1 WG Creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review NONE 4.1.2 Proposed for Approval NONE 4.2 WG Rechartering 4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF Review o Sieve Mail Filtering Language (sieve) - 1 of 1 Token: Lisa Dusseault 4.2.2 Proposed for Approval o Common Control and Measurement Plane (ccamp) - 1 of 4 Token: Ross Callon o Multiprotocol Label Switching (mpls) - 2 of 4 Token: Ross Callon o Network-based Localized Mobility Management (netlmm) - 3 of 4 Token: Jari Arkko o Benchmarking Methodology (bmwg) - 4 of 4 Token: Ron Bonica _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 11 08:10:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D4728C191; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:10:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3657028C191 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:10:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.202, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NzODAKdZpkbL for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF18728C163 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Puki.ogud.com (mail.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.6]) by mail.ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6BFALCm012837; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:10:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200807111510.m6BFALCm012837@mail.ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:09:23 -0400 To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "IETF DNS Directorate" From: Olafur Gudmundsson In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [dns-dir] FW: PRELIMINARY Agenda and Package for July 17, 2008 Telechat X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org No draft on the agenda shows up in the DNS warning data base. Olafur At 05:42 11/07/2008, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >Please find below the preliminary agenda for the IESG telechat on 7/17. >Please send me comments and concerns about the documents and WG charters >brought for approval until Wednesday 7/16 COB. > >Thanks and Regards, > >Dan > > >-----Original Message----- >From: iesg-bounces@iesg.org [mailto:iesg-bounces@iesg.org] On Behalf Of >IESG Secretary >Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 2:14 AM > > >2.1 WG Submissions >2.1.1 New Item > o draft-ietf-ipcdn-pktc-eventmess-13.txt > Management Event Management Information Base (MIB) for PacketCable- >and > IPCablecom-Compliant Devices (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 6 > Note: Richard Woundy [Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com] is the PROTO > > shepherd of this document. > Token: Dan Romascanu > o draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-08.txt > A Two-way Active Measurement Protocol (TWAMP) (Proposed Standard) - >2 >of 6 > Note: Document Shepherd: Henk Uijterwaal (henk@ripe.net) > Token: Lars Eggert > o draft-ietf-geopriv-radius-lo-19.txt > Carrying Location Objects in RADIUS and Diameter (Proposed Standard) >- >3 of > 6 > Token: Cullen Jennings > o draft-ietf-sipping-capacity-attribute-06.txt > Extensible Markup Language (XML) Format Extension for Representing >Copy > Control Attributes in Resource Lists (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 6 > Token: Jon Peterson > o draft-ietf-pwe3-enet-mib-13.txt > Ethernet Pseudowire (PW) Management Information Base (MIB) (Proposed > > Standard) - 5 of 6 > Token: Mark Townsley > o draft-ietf-pwe3-pw-mpls-mib-14.txt > Pseudowire (PW) over MPLS PSN Management Information Base (MIB) >(Proposed > Standard) - 6 of 6 > Token: Mark Townsley > >2.1.2 Returning Item >NONE > >2.2 Individual Submissions >2.2.1 New Item > o draft-goncalves-rfc3534bis-07.txt > Ogg Media Types (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 2 > Note: Intended for AD sponsoring > Token: Magnus Westerlund > o draft-black-ipsec-ikev2-aead-modes-01.txt > Using Authenticated Encryption Algorithms with the Encrypted Payload >of the > Internet Key Exchange version 2 (IKEv2) Protocol (Proposed Standard) >- >2 of > 2 > Note: pseudo Last Call on ipsec@ietf.org > Token: Tim Polk > >2.2.2 Returning Item >NONE > >3. Document Actions > >3.1 WG Submissions > Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a >reasonable > contribution to the area of Internet engineering which it >covers? If > not, what changes would make it so?" > >3.1.1 New Item > o draft-ietf-psamp-framework-13.txt > A Framework for Packet Selection and Reporting (Informational) - 1 >of >3 > Token: Dan Romascanu > o draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-soft-errors-08.txt > TCP's Reaction to Soft Errors (Informational) - 2 of 3 > Note: Document Shepherd: Mark Allman (mallman@icir.org) > Token: Lars Eggert > o draft-ietf-mext-aaa-ha-goals-01.txt > AAA Goals for Mobile IPv6 (Informational) - 3 of 3 > Token: Jari Arkko > >3.1.2 Returning Item >NONE > >3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD > Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a >reasonable > contribution to the area of Internet engineering which it >covers? If > not, what changes would make it so?" > >3.2.1 New Item >NONE >3.2.2 Returning Item >NONE >3.3 Independent Submissions Via RFC Editor > The IESG will use RFC 3932 responses: 1) The IESG has not > found any conflict between this document and IETF work; 2) The > IESG thinks that this work is related to IETF work done in WG > , but this does not prevent publishing; 3) The IESG thinks > that publication is harmful to work in WG and recommends > not publishing at this time; 4) The IESG thinks that this > document violates the IETF procedures for and should > therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG > approval; 5) The IESG thinks that this document extends an > IETF protocol in a way that requires IETF review and should > therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG >approval. > > The document shepherd must propose one of these responses in > the Data Tracker note and supply complete text in the IESG > Note portion of the write-up. The Area Director ballot positions > indicate consensus with the response proposed by the > document shepherd. > > Other matters may be recorded in comments, and the comments will > be passed on to the RFC Editor as community review of the >document. > > >3.3.1 New Item > o draft-sanjib-private-vlan-09.txt > Cisco Systems' Private VLANs: Scalable Security in a Multi-Client > Environment (Informational) - 1 of 1 > Note: This is an independent submission, going on telechat for >RFC3932 > > check. > Token: Mark Townsley > >3.3.2 Returning Item >NONE >3.3.3 For Action > o draft-lochter-pkix-brainpool-ecc-01.txt > ECC Brainpool Standard Curves and Curve Generation (Informational) - >1 >of 1 > Token: Tim Polk > >4. Working Group Actions >4.1 WG Creation >4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review > NONE >4.1.2 Proposed for Approval > NONE >4.2 WG Rechartering >4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF Review > o Sieve Mail Filtering Language (sieve) - 1 of 1 > Token: Lisa Dusseault >4.2.2 Proposed for Approval > o Common Control and Measurement Plane (ccamp) - 1 of 4 > Token: Ross Callon > o Multiprotocol Label Switching (mpls) - 2 of 4 > Token: Ross Callon > o Network-based Localized Mobility Management (netlmm) - 3 of 4 > Token: Jari Arkko > o Benchmarking Methodology (bmwg) - 4 of 4 > Token: Ron Bonica > >_______________________________________________ >dns-dir mailing list >dns-dir@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 15 10:22:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D243A6B3A; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:22:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F643A6B2D for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:22:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.601, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T+mX3HYtxpi1 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C52A3A6AF1 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Puki.ogud.com (gatt.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.6]) by mail.ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m6FHMSUM034622 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:22:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200807151722.m6FHMSUM034622@mail.ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:21:30 -0400 To: "dns directorate" From: Olafur Gudmundsson Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [dns-dir] Fwd: Re: [Errata Rejected] RFC1123 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Shit is going to hit the fan :-) Jon Klensin wants DNS-dir to issue guidance on what is appropriate TLD strings. (see IETF mailing list). Andrew and I stopped him in getting his view through as an RFC1123 Errata. IMHO inviting him to a meeting is going to be counter productive but we may want him to submit an statement or request for action. (in particular as this is the first meeting of the new DNS Dir). Peter, as the DNS-dir "chair" this will be between you and the AD's to decide. Everyone: please put up your availably on: http://www.doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=i5hfkzq9fedrsw3z soon so we can lock down the slot. (Am I the only one planning on going to the social?) Olafur >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:42:24 -0400 >From: John C Klensin >Subject: Re: [Errata Rejected] RFC1123 >To: Lisa Dusseault >Cc: RFC Errata System , Braden@ISI.EDU, > Frank Ellermann , > iesg@iesg.org, Andrew Sullivan , > Olafur Gudmundsson >X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 66.92.146.20 > > > >--On Tuesday, 15 July, 2008 09:19 -0700 Lisa Dusseault > wrote: > > > FYI, I rejected the two errata mostly because they were > > conflicting. I got some advice from Andrew Sullivan and > > Olafur which confirmed my preference not to answer the > > conflict through errata processing but in some more open venue. > >Entirely proper and, IMO, the only possible decision under the >circumstances. > > > I don't yet have any good ideas or preferences about how to > > move forward. > >I think this is what we have a DNS Directorate for -- not >necessarily to decide, but certainly to figure out how to >proceed. If it would helpful and someone wanted to invite me to >a meeting or temporarily onto a mailing list, I'd be happy to >try to do that. > > john _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 15 10:25:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B65A3A6B3D; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:25:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4172F3A6931 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:25:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.582 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.582 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HHAjv4sTZs4C for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCB93A6B2D for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:25:06 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.30,367,1212379200"; d="scan'208";a="135533820" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2008 13:25:32 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.30,367,1212379200"; d="scan'208";a="235996819" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2008 13:25:31 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:24:31 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200807151722.m6FHMSUM034622@mail.ogud.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [dns-dir] Fwd: Re: [Errata Rejected] RFC1123 Thread-Index: Acjmn2H8tVkMCVA3R9eGgTrLyd98RQAACfIg References: <200807151722.m6FHMSUM034622@mail.ogud.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Olafur Gudmundsson" , "dns directorate" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Fwd: Re: [Errata Rejected] RFC1123 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org You are not the only one planning on going to the social :-) Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Olafur Gudmundsson > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:22 PM > To: dns directorate > Subject: [dns-dir] Fwd: Re: [Errata Rejected] RFC1123 > > > Shit is going to hit the fan :-) > > Jon Klensin wants DNS-dir to issue guidance on what is > appropriate TLD strings. > (see IETF mailing list). > > Andrew and I stopped him in getting his view through as an > RFC1123 Errata. > IMHO inviting him to a meeting is going to be counter > productive but we may want him to submit an statement or > request for action. (in particular as this is the first > meeting of the new DNS Dir). > > Peter, as the DNS-dir "chair" this will be between you and > the AD's to decide. > Everyone: please put up your availably on: > http://www.doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=i5hfkzq9fedrsw3z > soon so we can lock down the slot. > (Am I the only one planning on going to the social?) > > Olafur > > >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:42:24 -0400 > >From: John C Klensin > >Subject: Re: [Errata Rejected] RFC1123 > >To: Lisa Dusseault > >Cc: RFC Errata System , Braden@ISI.EDU, > > Frank Ellermann , > > iesg@iesg.org, Andrew Sullivan , > > Olafur Gudmundsson > >X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) > >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 66.92.146.20 > > > > > > > >--On Tuesday, 15 July, 2008 09:19 -0700 Lisa Dusseault > > wrote: > > > > > FYI, I rejected the two errata mostly because they were > > > conflicting. I got some advice from Andrew Sullivan and Olafur > > > which confirmed my preference not to answer the conflict through > > > errata processing but in some more open venue. > > > >Entirely proper and, IMO, the only possible decision under the > >circumstances. > > > > > I don't yet have any good ideas or preferences about how to move > > > forward. > > > >I think this is what we have a DNS Directorate for -- not > necessarily > >to decide, but certainly to figure out how to proceed. If it would > >helpful and someone wanted to invite me to a meeting or temporarily > >onto a mailing list, I'd be happy to try to do that. > > > > john > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 15 12:17:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABF13A6A5F; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:17:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD2D3A6A85 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:16:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fxdo7Ajj2Zxh for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cliffie.verisignlabs.com (cliffie.verisignlabs.com [65.201.175.9]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B070C3A6AFD for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monsoon.verisignlabs.com (scooter.bo.verisignlabs.com [172.25.170.10]) by cliffie.verisignlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE3D1366E3; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dul1mcmlarson-l1.verisignlabs.com (dul1mcmlarson-l1.verisignlabs.com [10.131.244.205]) by monsoon.verisignlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D5D24245F; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:16:56 -0400 From: Matt Larson To: dns directorate Message-ID: <20080715191656.GC1303@dul1mcmlarson-l1.verisignlabs.com> References: <200807151722.m6FHMSUM034622@mail.ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200807151722.m6FHMSUM034622@mail.ogud.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Fwd: Re: [Errata Rejected] RFC1123 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > Everyone: please put up your availably on: > http://www.doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=i5hfkzq9fedrsw3z > soon so we can lock down the slot. I updated my availability just now... > (Am I the only one planning on going to the social?) ...because I'm also going to the social. :-) See you all in Dublin, Matt _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 16 13:30:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4DC3A6891; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:30:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BA43A688A for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:30:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.024 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.024 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.225, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id teFTnt12UCU4 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485363A6818 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KJDeM-0002JN-OM; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:30:58 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1KJDdG-0004OY-IR; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:29:50 +0200 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:29:50 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Message-ID: <20080716202950.GA16155@x27.adm.denic.de> References: <200807111510.m6BFALCm012837@mail.ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200807111510.m6BFALCm012837@mail.ogud.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] FW: PRELIMINARY Agenda and Package for July 17, 2008 Telechat X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:09:23AM -0400, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > > No draft on the agenda shows up in the DNS warning data base. > > o draft-ietf-mext-aaa-ha-goals-01.txt > > AAA Goals for Mobile IPv6 (Informational) - 3 of 3 > > Token: Jari Arkko this draft has several references to the DNS. > 4.1. Split Scenario > In the split scenario [3], there is the assumption that the mobility > service and network access service are not provided by the same > administrative entity. This implies that the mobility service is > authorized by the MSA that is a different entity from the ASA. > In this scenario, the Mobile Node discovers the Home Agent Address > using the Domain Name Service (DNS). It queries the address based on NIT: Domain Name _System_ The actual problematic issue has already passed the IESG in RFC 5026, where once again a use of SRV that appears to be in conflict with RFC 2782 was approved. SRV and the 'underscore labels' are kind of getting out of control. This draft makes some suggestions around associating mobile node addresses with "home" FQDNs by means of DNS Dynamic Update. I haven't found any issues with these. -Peter _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 11:01:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9E93A6941; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:01:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133BB3A682B for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:01:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.325 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.325 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.565, BAYES_05=-1.11, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qVAt2auTP-zd for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13B73A6941 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from denic.de ([10.122.65.99]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KLMBD-0008I6-3Z; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:01:43 +0200 Received: by unknown.office.denic.de (Postfix, from userid 501) id 0CA967D2ADD; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:01:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:01:42 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20080722180142.GB52307@unknown.office.denic.de> References: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> <20080707195801.GB13475@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080707195801.GB13475@x27.adm.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Planning for a Dublin DNS-Dir working session X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Dear fellow DNS directorate members, > following some feedback there is now a doodle poll open > at . For those coming to Dublin > I'd appreciate if you could fill out the form, for those not going to > Ireland, please let me know off-line. so, we have feedback from 11 of 16 directorate members with a slight preference for a Tuesday lunch meeting. With that, we have two options: 1) going "out", finding a restaurant, eat and work 2) stay in the hotel, find a breakout room, work and eat (bring-in food) Given the length of at least the preliminary agenda, I'd suggest we go for option (2). -Peter _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 11:15:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0826D28C114; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:15:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E1A28C114 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:15:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.297, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pys19Q1ZhRnP for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2404E28C10A for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:15:01 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,232,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15060216" Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2008 18:15:42 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6MIFdMB009598; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:15:39 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6MIFdRa010118; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:15:39 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:15:38 -0400 Received: from rtp-townsley-vpn2.cisco.com ([10.83.1.99]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:15:38 -0400 Message-ID: <488623AD.2000709@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:15:09 +0200 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Koch References: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> <20080707195801.GB13475@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080722180142.GB52307@unknown.office.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20080722180142.GB52307@unknown.office.denic.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2008 18:15:38.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1922BA0:01C8EC26] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=948; t=1216750542; x=1217614542; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=townsley@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Townsley=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20Planning=20for=20a=20Dublin =20DNS-Dir=20working=20session |Sender:=20 |To:=20Peter=20Koch=20; bh=9Jwj3J7i0dcIphowk7rYPO39sKiesu3HtZ+TSRoq3Yc=; b=O+ChACA4TS+6cVKxHK58H4+t4NnI2Pe17XahDPCEn/fZkCRL1gCWAKNu85 JR1Ejw8yako4YCF70P4GH3LclFHNQhgm15KSS931YN0lgAiJk/TCK9v40PnP 4zV0BbvxFC; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=townsley@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Planning for a Dublin DNS-Dir working session X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org I'll be happy to try and get the IESG room for this. - Mark Peter Koch wrote: > Dear fellow DNS directorate members, > > >> following some feedback there is now a doodle poll open >> at . For those coming to Dublin >> I'd appreciate if you could fill out the form, for those not going to >> Ireland, please let me know off-line. >> > > so, we have feedback from 11 of 16 directorate members with a slight preference > for a Tuesday lunch meeting. > > With that, we have two options: > > 1) going "out", finding a restaurant, eat and work > 2) stay in the hotel, find a breakout room, work and eat (bring-in food) > > Given the length of at least the preliminary agenda, I'd suggest we go > for option (2). > > -Peter > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > > _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 11:48:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40093A69A4; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:48:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9019B3A6972 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:48:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.829 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.829 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.770, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3AuBfPp5tYhd for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.nominet.org.uk (mx3.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804AF3A67FF for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:48:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Cc: Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date: X-MIMETrack:Content-Type; b=kg/GYWwdltR+z0lznBgXLYqZYtYX6n0U1zhmWU2kk3uShyj06I3IF8q3 2tet0H8Z2saInTXN3ohra0ta/NBnVuCBdtnKc4Zk3bTBW/nZ8AV3k/YFd lTkKmXj+m5bmVe6; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=roy@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1216752547; x=1248288547; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20"Roy=20Arends"=20|Subject: =20Re:=20[dns-dir]=20Planning=20for=20a=20Dublin=20DNS-Di r=20working=20session|Date:=20Tue,=2022=20Jul=202008=2020 :49:01=20+0200|Message-ID:=20|To:=20Mark =20Townsley=20|Cc:=20IETF=20DNS=20Dir ectorate=20,=0D=0A=09Peter=20Koch=20|MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<488623AD.2 000709@cisco.com>|References:=20<20080630133611.GF487@unk nown.office.denic.de>=09<20080707195801.GB13475@x27.adm.d enic.de>=0D=0A=09<20080722180142.GB52307@unknown.office.d enic.de>=20<488623AD.2000709@cisco.com>; bh=Nrd3yzR8BSSZrzNzVBkgAYCuqrTivpA8G6OPY5wLOzc=; b=S30yccnqNCKDC9WZO+ancjc8nGKfEEtNFDxHCDb14FvZ76WUoYE399am ArRfPLWDkM+5qVCymL36WNL9PxA3Cq1oq8QiO1w9hUwu+nl5/ag/T/m3R IJJUxDfdIod9HEP; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,232,1215385200"; d="scan'208";a="5341028" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2008 19:49:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: <488623AD.2000709@cisco.com> References: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> <20080707195801.GB13475@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080722180142.GB52307@unknown.office.denic.de> <488623AD.2000709@cisco.com> To: Mark Townsley MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build VMac_Beta85_20080115_MM2 January 15, 2008 Message-ID: From: "Roy Arends" Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:49:01 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 22/07/2008 07:49:05 PM, Serialize complete at 22/07/2008 07:49:05 PM Cc: Peter Koch , IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Planning for a Dublin DNS-Dir working session X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org > Mark Townsley > > I'll be happy to try and get the IESG room for this. I happen to have the kingslake room at hand for the week: http://www.citywesthotel.com/site/roomplans_kingslake.aspx Roy _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 13:16:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3F33A6994; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:16:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752193A6994 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:16:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.363 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.363 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.372, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qj6dyeq1OBww for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-159.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.159]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873743A691A for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from commandprompt.com (CPE001b63afe888-CM001adea9c5a6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.236.211.160]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6MKJ3hn013136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:19:06 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:16:36 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20080722201635.GL58564@commandprompt.com> References: <200807151722.m6FHMSUM034622@mail.ogud.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200807151722.m6FHMSUM034622@mail.ogud.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (lists.commandprompt.com [207.173.203.159]); Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Fwd: Re: [Errata Rejected] RFC1123 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 01:21:30PM -0400, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > Andrew and I stopped him in getting his view through as an RFC1123 Errata. Just to be clear, my impression wasn't that he was trying to get his view through as an erratum, but that he filed the erratum because someone else had already filed an erratum with slightly different consequences. I do feel pretty strongly that, if people want to put different labels at the top level than RFC 1123 allows, we need to update the RFC, not change its meaning via errata. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@commandprompt.com +1 503 667 4564 x104 http://www.commandprompt.com/ _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 22 23:55:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3927F28C16D; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:55:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE6A28C168 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:55:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qQ0cjToeF835 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E2528C164 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:55:43 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,236,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15107899" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2008 06:56:21 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6N6uKYx007778; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:56:20 +0200 Received: from xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-332.cisco.com [144.254.231.87]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6N6uKnr006112; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:56:20 GMT Received: from xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com ([144.254.231.72]) by xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:56:20 +0200 Received: from [192.165.72.13] ([10.61.65.122]) by xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:56:20 +0200 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: Roy Arends In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:56:19 +0200 References: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> <20080707195801.GB13475@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080722180142.GB52307@unknown.office.denic.de> <488623AD.2000709@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2008 06:56:20.0556 (UTC) FILETIME=[364E18C0:01C8EC91] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=304; t=1216796180; x=1217660180; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paf@cisco.com; z=From:=20=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=3DE4ltstr=3DF6m?=3D=20

|Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20Planning=20for=20a=20Dublin =20DNS-Dir=20working=20session |Sender:=20; bh=Jc6RUeKxiXo+mEaffh9tgo0J1o7ERgFiikFbW7D+cH4=; b=RwSIL77ZGC5/zcNKJldQt71pc0i+fy5g3JqpdtF+ARRKETBdxWHU0Tqqna ufIaZUQCeKluA8AUc3ulpicfcjVBJbXVs2rpVk85z2mqAAiifB10vTmrof3r euVdgnBsl1; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paf@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: Peter Koch , IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Planning for a Dublin DNS-Dir working session X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On 22 jul 2008, at 20.49, Roy Arends wrote: >> Mark Townsley >> >> I'll be happy to try and get the IESG room for this. > > I happen to have the kingslake room at hand for the week: > > http://www.citywesthotel.com/site/roomplans_kingslake.aspx Good plan. Patrik _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 00:10:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FE528C13F; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:10:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5843A6AC0 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:10:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2hiNVT4cVA2V for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4B93A6824 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:10:52 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,236,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15109381" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Jul 2008 07:11:33 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6N7BXsI010200; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:11:33 +0200 Received: from xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-331.cisco.com [144.254.231.71]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6N7BX43010249; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:11:33 GMT Received: from xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com ([144.254.231.72]) by xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:11:33 +0200 Received: from [192.165.72.13] ([10.61.65.122]) by xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:11:30 +0200 Message-Id: <875BA4D1-0DB7-40A7-AF34-C7D0C994022E@cisco.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: Andrew Sullivan In-Reply-To: <20080722201635.GL58564@commandprompt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:11:29 +0200 References: <200807151722.m6FHMSUM034622@mail.ogud.com> <20080722201635.GL58564@commandprompt.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2008 07:11:33.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[564E0340:01C8EC93] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=260; t=1216797093; x=1217661093; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paf@cisco.com; z=From:=20=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=3DE4ltstr=3DF6m?=3D=20

|Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20Fwd=3A=20Re=3A=20[Errata=20 Rejected]=20RFC1123 |Sender:=20; bh=d3YbLnoSPg5nCiQ/a34KADqVr3HMUGzrPfW+gEOsrGQ=; b=cFiQZFboptY9LTgdkSeKXeB2oRi6G4PJzRARvkoqIUsVML5LQQriqKw61M ZbBPjzpZDhKSoxUoko/AbNUFlNFB2Zu3Pju0yLQf3bLwhdPvVLfBYSy1vYOd xPLos05Z3o; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paf@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Fwd: Re: [Errata Rejected] RFC1123 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On 22 jul 2008, at 22.16, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > I do feel pretty strongly that, if people want to put > different labels at the top level than RFC 1123 allows, we need to > update the RFC, not change its meaning via errata. Agreed. Patrik _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 06:51:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DF93A6814; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:51:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBF03A67D7 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:51:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v6WQ+WL5u4iP for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (BISCAYNE-ONE-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6367D3A6814 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m6NDpXWk010379; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cathode-dark-space.mit.edu (CATHODE-DARK-SPACE.MIT.EDU [18.18.1.96]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as tlyu@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id m6NDpQYQ028105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tlyu@localhost) by cathode-dark-space.mit.edu (8.12.9.20060308) id m6NDpQ8L021881; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:51:26 -0400 (EDT) To: Peter Koch References: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> <20080707195801.GB13475@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080722180142.GB52307@unknown.office.denic.de> From: Tom Yu Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:51:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20080722180142.GB52307@unknown.office.denic.de> (Peter Koch's message of "Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:01:42 +0200") Message-ID: Lines: 13 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Planning for a Dublin DNS-Dir working session X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Peter Koch writes: > Dear fellow DNS directorate members, > >> following some feedback there is now a doodle poll open >> at . For those coming to Dublin >> I'd appreciate if you could fill out the form, for those not going to >> Ireland, please let me know off-line. > > so, we have feedback from 11 of 16 directorate members with a slight preference > for a Tuesday lunch meeting. For me, Tuesday lunch conflicts with the secdir lunch meeting. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 11:01:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC0F3A6918; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:01:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910193A6886 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:01:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.983 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.266, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YhGGP1pluWUc for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B2E3A691A for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from denic.de ([10.122.65.99]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KLifG-0003SS-SB; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:02:14 +0200 Received: by unknown.office.denic.de (Postfix, from userid 501) id B286A7D3EFD; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:02:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:02:14 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: Olafur Gudmundsson Message-ID: <20080723180214.GG52861@unknown.office.denic.de> References: <200807151722.m6FHMSUM034622@mail.ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200807151722.m6FHMSUM034622@mail.ogud.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: dns directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Fwd: Re: [Errata Rejected] RFC1123 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Olafur, > Jon Klensin wants DNS-dir to issue guidance on what is appropriate > TLD strings. > (see IETF mailing list). thanks for the heads up. I've seen a mixturee of threads in the order of 300+ messages around an update to RFC2606, single character names and IDN test TLDs. Are you referring to particular message (none matched "directorate)? > Andrew and I stopped him in getting his view through as an RFC1123 Errata. > IMHO inviting him to a meeting is going to be counter productive but we may > want him to submit an statement or request for action. (in particular as > this is the first meeting of the new DNS Dir). Since the thread was named "[Errata Rejected] RFC1123", I had a look, but all I could find was , which in fact is an _approved_ erratum that might even be questioned. So, do you have any background that you could provide as input, i.e., what the actual question is (all numerical TLDs? domain name vs. hostname?)? > Peter, as the DNS-dir "chair" this will be between you and the AD's to > decide. Glad you used quotes ;-) Given that it's our first meeting and we'll have to go through a long list of topics, including organizing work, I'm a bit hesitant to have an "invited guest" for yet another topic, so your suggestion seems perfect to me. -Peter _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 11:57:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2A43A6AE7; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:57:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D86D28C195 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:57:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.796 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.796 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.803, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ij3rA3QgWLQ3 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e36.co.us.ibm.com (e36.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.154]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5263A6AE2 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.106]) by e36.co.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6NIvkKH024407 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:57:46 -0400 Received: from d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.168]) by d03relay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.0) with ESMTP id m6NIvbsJ143378 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:57:37 -0600 Received: from d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6NIva56024650 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:57:37 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-248-213.mts.ibm.com [9.65.248.213]) by d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6NIvWYI024300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:57:33 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid-new [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.2/8.12.5) with ESMTP id m6NIvUsU029460; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:57:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200807231857.m6NIvUsU029460@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: Peter Koch In-reply-to: <20080723180214.GG52861@unknown.office.denic.de> References: <200807151722.m6FHMSUM034622@mail.ogud.com> <20080723180214.GG52861@unknown.office.denic.de> Comments: In-reply-to Peter Koch message dated "Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:02:14 +0200." Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:57:30 -0400 From: Thomas Narten Cc: dns directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Fwd: Re: [Errata Rejected] RFC1123 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org > thanks for the heads up. I've seen a mixturee of threads in the order of > 300+ messages around an update to RFC2606, single character names and > IDN test TLDs. Are you referring to particular message (none matched > "directorate)? Long thread, indeed, multiple threads. Crux of question was whether IETF and/or directorate could come up with some guidance for ICANN on the use of single letter labels (and/or TLDs). Should they be allowed? why/why not? And, things get fun with IDNs, as in "what is a character". Thomas _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 23 12:29:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4D03A68B8; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:29:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35DD3A685E for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:29:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.381 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.381 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.354, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iG+xK+NdIrWa for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.commandprompt.com (host-159.commandprompt.net [207.173.203.159]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A203A68B8 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from commandprompt.com (CPE001b63afe888-CM001adea9c5a6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.236.211.160]) (authenticated bits=0) by lists.commandprompt.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6NJWgu3023785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:32:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:30:14 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20080723193013.GD35144@commandprompt.com> References: <200807151722.m6FHMSUM034622@mail.ogud.com> <20080723180214.GG52861@unknown.office.denic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080723180214.GG52861@unknown.office.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (lists.commandprompt.com [207.173.203.159]); Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Fwd: Re: [Errata Rejected] RFC1123 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 08:02:14PM +0200, Peter Koch wrote: > Since the thread was named "[Errata Rejected] RFC1123", I had a look, > but all I could find was > , which in fact > is an _approved_ erratum that might even be questioned. Ah. It looks like the rejected errata disappear on rejection. Too bad, that. The source of the problem is section 2.1 of RFC 1123, specifically this text: If a dotted-decimal number can be entered without such identifying delimiters, then a full syntactic check must be made, because a segment of a host domain name is now allowed to begin with a digit and could legally be entirely numeric (see Section 6.1.2.4). However, a valid host name can never have the dotted-decimal form #.#.#.#, since at least the highest-level component label will be alphabetic. The problem is the claim that the highest-level component label will be alphabetic. It isn't clear in the text whether that is a normative condition on the TLD name space or just a comment that stemmed from the knowledge of the root zone of the day. The practical problem we have today is that IDN labels are all of the form xn--[LDH]. Since "-" isn't ASCII, the current contents of the root zone (which include some testing IDNA TLDs) include labels that are not all alphabetic. This will become worse if IANA makes those "test" labels a permanent part of the root zone, and starts adding large numbers of IDNA TLDs. The errata in question were 1081 and 1353. I'm relying mostly on memory in what I say now: 1081 was proposed by Frank Ellerman, and it was intended to relax the restriction on top level label names by saying that they were just like any other label; but it included some remarks that overall a complete name could not have [0-9] at the beginning of every label. John Klensin filed 1353 in response; it included less-invasive changes which specifically allowed non-alphabetic characters at any position in the label _except_ the first character. The first character was still to be [a-z], on the grounds that lazy programmers would probably just check for a letter in the first position (and so the change in the rule wouldn't affect those cases). It was Lissa Dusseault who asked me for my opinion on this, so she may have access to the full archive of the original proposals. There is a good argument that the text in RFC 1123 is just a nod to then-current policy. I note, however, that the change to the protocol that 1123 made relied pretty heavily on that policy, because you needed to know the first character of _some_ label was guaranteed not to be [0-9] in order to differentiate between dotted-quads and dns labels separated by dots. I therefore think it completely reasonable for an implementor to have taken the remark in RFC 1123 as a normative one (especially since RFC 1123 doesn't explicitly say it's not normative), and therefore to test for only [a-z] in such labels. I don't know whether the current text in RFC 1123 is in fact normative. I also don't know whether there is any software anywhere in the world that actually checks whether top level labels are always alphabetic; and, if there is such software, whether it just checks for [a-z] at position 1 or whether it checks that there is not anything other than [a-z] in the whole label. I claim that, if we're going to accept a change to the text that is at least arguably normative, it had better go through some working group and up the standards track rather than being done as an erratum. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@commandprompt.com +1 503 667 4564 x104 http://www.commandprompt.com/ _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 24 06:12:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08643A68FD; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:12:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF743A68FD for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:12:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.247, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kwa8hqoRZA1Y for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB4F3A68B3 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from denic.de ([10.122.65.99]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KM0dF-0002hG-K5; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:13:21 +0200 Received: by unknown.office.denic.de (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7070F7D4895; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:13:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:13:20 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: Andrew Sullivan Message-ID: <20080724131320.GA54754@unknown.office.denic.de> References: <200807151722.m6FHMSUM034622@mail.ogud.com> <20080723180214.GG52861@unknown.office.denic.de> <20080723193013.GD35144@commandprompt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080723193013.GD35144@commandprompt.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Fwd: Re: [Errata Rejected] RFC1123 X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Andrew, thanks a lot for the background information. > Ah. It looks like the rejected errata disappear on rejection. Too > bad, that. I haven't been able to access the RFC Editor's website for the last couple of hours, but let's see whether the rejected errata remain accessible by number, even if they're not listed under an RFC number. > The problem is the claim that the highest-level component label will > be alphabetic. It isn't clear in the text whether that is a normative > condition on the TLD name space or just a comment that stemmed from > the knowledge of the root zone of the day. Yes, that has bitten me a couple of times, as well. > first character. The first character was still to be [a-z], on the > grounds that lazy programmers would probably just check for a letter > in the first position (and so the change in the rule wouldn't affect > those cases). Understood, the problem is that "numeric" and "alphabetic" don't cover all options. > for an implementor to have taken the remark in RFC 1123 as a normative > one (especially since RFC 1123 doesn't explicitly say it's not > normative), and therefore to test for only [a-z] in such labels. Maybe, but since the reasoning was to avoid confusion with IPv4 addresses, it's equally resonable to test for !=[0-9]+, i.e. "non-numeric". That's at least code I've seen. > I don't know whether the current text in RFC 1123 is in fact > normative. I also don't know whether there is any software anywhere > in the world that actually checks whether top level labels are always > alphabetic; and, if there is such software, whether it just checks for > [a-z] at position 1 or whether it checks that there is not anything > other than [a-z] in the whole label. I claim that, if we're going to > accept a change to the text that is at least arguably normative, it > had better go through some working group and up the standards track > rather than being done as an erratum. Full agreement that it needs a seperate document, whether BCP or standards track. And it has to be different from what's currently discussed as 2606bis, which is already outgrowing its mission IMHO. There is previous work by Mark Andrews on hostname vs. domain name syntax that could serve as a basis. However, due to the layer 9 issues involved, we should discuss both the scope of the document and potential editors. That said, I doubt that "guidance by the DNS directorate" is enough here, instead I'd suggest we add "Tasking a document on TLD label syntax clarification" to our agenda. Opinions? -Peter PS: Speaking of single label names, a TLD like 0x7f000001 should probably also be avoided. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 01:09:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A789728C0CE; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:09:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF27328B797 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:09:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 59O38DdgzI8u for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614693A6937 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KMepr-0000SS-Ug; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:09:03 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1KMeoh-0004t0-4Q; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:07:51 +0200 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:07:51 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20080726080751.GA18478@x27.adm.denic.de> References: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Planning for a Dublin DNS-Dir working session X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Dear fellow DNS directorate members, looking at 14 of 16 directorate members have responded and there are two "winning" dates. After consultation with the ADs I'd liek to suggest we take advantage of this opportunity and make use of both available slots to accomodate a rather long and full agenda as well as giving everybody a chance to meet everybody else. So, let's meet Tuesday 1130-1300 (Roy's meeting room, self-catering) and Thursday 2000-2200 (may end early) Please let me know by private email whether you can make one or both slots. I'll compile an agenda and send it around Sunday the latest. Best regards and have a safe trip, Peter _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jul 26 02:22:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F8F28C16A; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:22:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC0028C16A; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:22:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.650, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9BtYf52CSykA; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7516128C117; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 02:22:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Cc: Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date: X-MIMETrack:Content-Type; b=J82HYdi0G2atzPf2Fs5e5q7giepCGN2L+XXu4LvSTT8mRnDv6cWwePqB 0UrpYHTFegKhmf0gjli9z5sN1E/zUqodgTd6BzAce6HvyhuMPSt49YyUS uSIc4xg9k8Tk6iM; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=roy@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1217064163; x=1248600163; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20"Roy=20Arends"=20|Subject: =20Re:=20[dns-dir]=20Planning=20for=20a=20Dublin=20DNS-Di r=20working=20session|Date:=20Sat,=2026=20Jul=202008=2011 :22:33=20+0200|Message-ID:=20|To:=20Pete r=20Koch=20|Cc:=20IETF=20DNS=20Directorate =20,=0D=0A=09dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org |MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<20080726080751.GA184 78@x27.adm.denic.de>|References:=20<20080630133611.GF487@ unknown.office.denic.de>=20<20080726080751.GA18478@x27.ad m.denic.de>; bh=D/KHctAgdC5YvTrmCbLnML54p1mNAx/F9TQxm/+Y1cc=; b=yMDtErgzlGVcL0UFuFYu1zqbDpjMQQvqM3lqx4FiPbotK7aR27d/29TM OLDmdMLzRnYEkQlaPa9SirdTgdLEySoy59a9/qheRfhygoKs0Fo7gjzVf ZZscR9bGMXpDOFq; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,255,1215385200"; d="scan'208";a="4380311" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 26 Jul 2008 10:22:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080726080751.GA18478@x27.adm.denic.de> References: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> <20080726080751.GA18478@x27.adm.denic.de> To: Peter Koch MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V85_M1_05262008 May 26, 2008 Message-ID: From: "Roy Arends" Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:22:33 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 26/07/2008 10:22:37 AM, Serialize complete at 26/07/2008 10:22:37 AM Cc: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org, IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Planning for a Dublin DNS-Dir working session X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Peter Koch wrote on 07/26/2008 10:07:51 AM: > Dear fellow DNS directorate members, > > looking at < http://www.doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=i5hfkzq9fedrsw3z> > 14 of 16 directorate members have responded and there are two "winning" > dates. After consultation with the ADs I'd liek to suggest we take advantage > of this opportunity and make use of both available slots to accomodate > a rather long and full agenda as well as giving everybody a chance to > meet everybody else. > > So, let's meet Tuesday 1130-1300 (Roy's meeting room, self-catering) > and Thursday 2000-2200 (may end early) > > Please let me know by private email whether you can make one or both > slots. I'll compile an agenda and send it around Sunday the latest. Roy's meeting room would be "the kingslake room". I made sure there are refreshments (drinks, even some snacks), but at the moment do not know what that entails precisely. See you all soon. Roy _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 01:44:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3979B3A68AA; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:44:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BEF3A68AA for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:44:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.257 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.257 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=0.992, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vhlHFlVP2Idm for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic.cafax.se (nic.cafax.se [192.71.228.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF683A685B for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.liman.net (2-1-3-18a.spa.sth.bostream.se [82.182.146.229]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6R8ijQc005245; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:44:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: from zaptop.autonomica.net ([130.129.1.141]) by home.liman.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6R8ifcw000327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:44:44 +0200 (MEST) Received: from zaptop.autonomica.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by zaptop.autonomica.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6QEWFjZ015059; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:32:15 +0200 (CEST) To: Peter Koch References: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> <20080726080751.GA18478@x27.adm.denic.de> From: Lars-Johan Liman Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:32:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20080726080751.GA18478@x27.adm.denic.de> (Peter Koch's message of "Sat\, 26 Jul 2008 10\:07\:51 +0200") Message-ID: <22y73o67io.fsf_-_@zaptop.autonomica.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Planning for a Dublin DNS-Dir working session X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org pk@DENIC.DE: > So, let's meet Tuesday 1130-1300 (Roy's meeting room, self-catering) > and Thursday 2000-2200 (may end early) > Please let me know by private email whether you can make one or both > slots. I'll compile an agenda and send it around Sunday the latest. I should be able to attend both slots. Cheers, /Liman _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 27 15:01:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA2B3A6921; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:01:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E123A67F5 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:01:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1tX1q+ZlZTak for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAC13A6921 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KNEJD-00068H-Fd; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:01:43 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1KNEI1-0006gR-Tp; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:29 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:29 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Dear fellow Directorate members, here's a draft agenda for our meetings on Tuesday and Thursday. Thanks everybody for indicating their availability and special thanks to Roy for making the room available. Hopefully we'll be able to address the first part of item 5. Please let me know if you have any additions or change requests. See you there, Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Meeting of the IETF DNS Directorate at IETF 72, Dublin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- DRAFT Agenda ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Revision: $Id: IETF72-Agenda.txt,v 1.4 2008/07/27 21:23:51 pk Exp $ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tuesday, 2008-07-29 11:30 - 13:00 Location: Citywest Hotel, Kingslake Room ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Welcome of new and returning members [ADs] 2) DNS Directorate Charter [ADs] 3) Methods of cooperation o (New) Mailing List o Meetings at IETF o Phone Calls o Wiki (?) 4) Modus operandi o Scheduling reviews based on IESG Agenda (post LC) o "unsolicited" reviews o Early review o Communicating a review o "Homepage" -> external communication 5) Other topics of general DNS relevance o IAB Draft ("DNS Choices") [Patrik] o Update to 1123 on TLD label syntax [Andrew] o Pending IESG Statement on RFC 2606 ("example.org") and 2606bis [?] Also: o DNS ALG issues with NAT-PT [Mark] o Potential DNS issues with "Carrier Grade NAT" [Mark] o Signing the DNS root [?] o IANA accused of "bypassing" the IETF in setting up the TLD TAR [Peter] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thursday, 2008-07-31 20:00 - 22:00 Location: Citywest Hotel, TBD ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- o Returning Patterns of suboptimal/concerning use of the DNS o DNS and Cookie Spec Issues o DNS related language and terminology in RFCs o Weight of DNS considerations in IESG review o Fast Flux Draft [Roy, Peter] Submitted to RFC Editor on Independent Submission Stream o SRV port name/number registry at IANA o HTTP based DNS zone data provisioning On APPS discuss list o IRTF DNS related drafts - "DNS Blacklists and Whitelists" - "Guidelines for Management of DNSBLs for Email" o The Myth of 13 Root Name Servers [Peter] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 28 07:42:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466C53A699C; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:42:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413313A695C for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:42:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hKrBqEUDEoDH for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og116.obsmtp.com (exprod7ob116.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.218]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1E128C153 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([66.129.228.6]) by exprod7ob116.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:41:16 PDT Received: from emailwf1.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.33]) by p-emsmtp03.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:41:35 -0700 Received: from proton.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.37]) by emailwf1.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:41:23 -0400 Received: from [172.23.1.182] ([172.23.1.182] RDNS failed) by proton.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:35:10 -0400 Message-ID: <488DD916.9050007@juniper.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:35:02 -0400 From: Ron Bonica User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roy Arends References: <20080630133611.GF487@unknown.office.denic.de> <20080726080751.GA18478@x27.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2008 14:35:10.0949 (UTC) FILETIME=[23C37150:01C8F0BF] Cc: Peter Koch , IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Planning for a Dublin DNS-Dir working session X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Where is Roy's meeting room? I will be joining you about 30 minutes late. Ron Roy Arends wrote: > Peter Koch wrote on 07/26/2008 10:07:51 AM: > >> Dear fellow DNS directorate members, >> >> looking at < > http://www.doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=i5hfkzq9fedrsw3z> >> 14 of 16 directorate members have responded and there are two "winning" >> dates. After consultation with the ADs I'd liek to suggest we take > advantage >> of this opportunity and make use of both available slots to accomodate >> a rather long and full agenda as well as giving everybody a chance to >> meet everybody else. >> >> So, let's meet Tuesday 1130-1300 (Roy's meeting room, > self-catering) >> and Thursday 2000-2200 (may end early) >> >> Please let me know by private email whether you can make one or both >> slots. I'll compile an agenda and send it around Sunday the latest. > > Roy's meeting room would be "the kingslake room". I made sure there are > refreshments (drinks, even some snacks), but at the moment do not know > what that entails precisely. > > See you all soon. > > Roy > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 00:21:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762B83A68CD; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:21:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E763A68CD for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:21:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o1DgBsxq6Gyy for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E549B3A68C6 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:21:42 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,271,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15654762" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2008 07:21:51 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6T7LpKm003108; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:21:51 +0200 Received: from xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-332.cisco.com [144.254.231.87]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6T7LpAX015175; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:21:51 GMT Received: from xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com ([144.254.231.72]) by xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:21:51 +0200 Received: from Townsley-MacBook.local ([10.61.65.95]) by xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:21:50 +0200 Message-ID: <488EC505.3030902@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:21:41 +0100 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Koch References: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 07:21:50.0903 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4F10470:01C8F14B] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=423; t=1217316111; x=1218180111; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=townsley@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Townsley=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20DNS-Dir=20Meetings=20Tue=20 &=20Thu |Sender:=20; bh=JEbk57w/F9NxU4p4aA+Ler1WenxtSWZMcBtlismJ7ZE=; b=Mg/vOurTXwZIBAqeYH8mngsi48sZqyRjcIn+q1B0lExCfgOmAAeTvTIeDj giMFRbi0cLQZlrvL9lUGCvb76dqbWEsot28toxneE8+NB7c3u8cqYWFHP3zP 0WqAc+6e2k; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=townsley@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org For this, I'm going to be asking these questions to you. That is, are there issues WRT DNS ALG issues on the table (for example: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bagnulo-behave-nat64-00), even at "CGN" scale, and whether the dns-dir is tracking any of this. Thanks, - Mark Peter Koch wrote: > > o DNS ALG issues with NAT-PT [Mark] > > o Potential DNS issues with "Carrier Grade NAT" [Mark] _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jul 29 01:44:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCD128C1B7; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:44:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A1A28C0CE for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:44:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XMREVc63RUbq for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBB828C1B7 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:44:03 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,271,1215388800"; d="scan'208";a="15666648" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2008 08:44:14 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6T8iEeX032452 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:44:14 +0200 Received: from xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-332.cisco.com [144.254.231.87]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6T8iExR016818 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:44:14 GMT Received: from xfe-ams-332.cisco.com ([144.254.231.73]) by xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:44:14 +0200 Received: from Townsley-MacBook.local ([10.61.98.78]) by xfe-ams-332.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:44:14 +0200 Message-ID: <488ED85C.7000905@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:44:12 +0100 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF DNS Directorate References: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2008 08:44:14.0485 (UTC) FILETIME=[478BC450:01C8F157] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3693; t=1217321054; x=1218185054; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=townsley@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Townsley=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20DNS-Dir=20Meetings=20Tue=20 &=20Thu |Sender:=20; bh=39evoGF8qiYydMNLitISDd77DOs0H7F/cYMMtXsvXPk=; b=nruCU+rkIvi29ZOWgzoe3MwYm2JkdqKQ1wnI87W67lR3dP2NK7G67HJYEd Sl7GoX4NDPXlCDesZegvh5PtKKew2mZVCoYV3deaGNLw11pEGLYgCyAC1mNg oQIV0uKv0N; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=townsley@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org I'll have simple lunches brought it (sandwiches & soda or some such) for about a dozen folks (guessing that's how many will be able to make the meeting) if that will help us have more time and not starve to death in the process. If you *don't* want food, let me know. - Mark Peter Koch wrote: > Dear fellow Directorate members, > > here's a draft agenda for our meetings on Tuesday and Thursday. Thanks > everybody for indicating their availability and special thanks to Roy > for making the room available. > Hopefully we'll be able to address the first part of item 5. > Please let me know if you have any additions or change requests. > > See you there, > Peter > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Meeting of the IETF DNS Directorate at IETF 72, Dublin > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > DRAFT Agenda > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Revision: $Id: IETF72-Agenda.txt,v 1.4 2008/07/27 21:23:51 pk Exp $ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Tuesday, 2008-07-29 11:30 - 13:00 > Location: Citywest Hotel, Kingslake Room > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 1) Welcome of new and returning members [ADs] > > 2) DNS Directorate Charter [ADs] > > 3) Methods of cooperation > > o (New) Mailing List > o Meetings at IETF > o Phone Calls > o Wiki (?) > > 4) Modus operandi > > o Scheduling reviews based on IESG Agenda (post LC) > o "unsolicited" reviews > o Early review > o Communicating a review > o "Homepage" -> external communication > > 5) Other topics of general DNS relevance > > o IAB Draft ("DNS Choices") [Patrik] > > o Update to 1123 on TLD label syntax [Andrew] > > o Pending IESG Statement on RFC 2606 ("example.org") and 2606bis [?] > Also: > > o DNS ALG issues with NAT-PT [Mark] > > o Potential DNS issues with "Carrier Grade NAT" [Mark] > > o Signing the DNS root [?] > > o IANA accused of "bypassing" the IETF in setting up the TLD TAR [Peter] > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Thursday, 2008-07-31 20:00 - 22:00 > Location: Citywest Hotel, TBD > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > o Returning Patterns of suboptimal/concerning use of the DNS > > o DNS and Cookie Spec Issues > > o DNS related language and terminology in RFCs > > o Weight of DNS considerations in IESG review > > o Fast Flux Draft [Roy, Peter] > > Submitted to RFC Editor on Independent Submission Stream > > o SRV port name/number registry at IANA > > > > o HTTP based DNS zone data provisioning > > On APPS discuss list > > o IRTF DNS related drafts > - "DNS Blacklists and Whitelists" > > - "Guidelines for Management of DNSBLs for Email" > > > o The Myth of 13 Root Name Servers [Peter] > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > > _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jul 30 06:46:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3103A6AA9; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:46:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611143A686C for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:46:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.936 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.936 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.313, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WPeH+ggpfz7n for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DDB3A6AA9 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KOC0Y-00007K-Nj; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:46:26 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1KOBzL-0001T2-TE; Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:45:11 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:45:11 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20080730134511.GB2385@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: [dns-dir] Draft Minutes of Tuesday's Meeting X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline All, here's a draft version of Tuesday's minutes. Everything not dealt with was postponed until Thusrday. We haven't agreed upon a dinner venue, so assuming availability of the meeting room (Kingslake, 2nd floor in the main building) (thanks to Nominet), I'd suggest we meet there at 20:00 to go through the work items and decide on real dinner on the spot. -Peter --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="IETF72-Minutes.txt" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D R A F T M I N U T E S ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008-07-29 11:37-12:59 UTC+1 DNS Directorate Meeting I at IETF72 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roy, Matt, Liman, Andrew, Olafur, Rob, Patrik, Mark, Thomas, Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- $Id: IETF72-Minutes.txt,v 1.1 2008/07/30 13:30:59 pk Exp $ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charter Discussion, draft available at . Todo: refine charter wording ("questionable" or other potentially or confusing terms to be toned down. On the members list, the "ex-officio" members, i.e., dns* wg co-chairs, will be identified as such The main task is to give advice to the ADs, but memebers are also encouraged to reach out to WGs, bringing their DNS perspective into discussions. Speaking with a "DNS hat" is fine, but there is no "DNS Directorate hat" unless explicitly agreed upon in advance. Olafur and Roy will coordinate document reviews. Peter to fill the role of Secretary/Exec Director. Chairs, Editors, others asking vor DNS Directorate review or advice are encourgaed to contact the directorate at . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (3) Methods of cooperation The new mailing list address is The mailing list archive shall not be public. Rob will decommission the old list @ops.ietf.org A physical meeting is planned for lunch on Monday of the IETF week, starting with IETF 73. In addition, a monthly call on every 1st Monday of the month, 16:00 Paris local time, is scheduled for one hour. The call will be cancelled absent an agenda a week in advance. Dates for 2008: SEP-01 OCT-06 NOV-03 DEC-01 There will be no call on AUG 04. Will use Nominet's telco logistics (details to be provided by Roy). The DNS directorate Wiki is available at The preference is to have it accessible only to directorate members. Mark will ask Henrik to update the ACL [account setup is in progress]. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (4) Modus operandi o Scheduling reviews based on IESG Agenda (post LC) o "unsolicited" reviews o Early review o Communicating a review o "Homepage" -> external communication Olafur to adjust "early warning system" to not only take into acount first posting of a draft, but also IETF Last Call messages. "unsolicited" review: if a member spots a DNS issue, raise hand to dns-dir Peter to contact EDU team to find way of "offering" early review to WGs and draft authors in collection of "review teams". Members agreed to refrain from using a "boilerplate text" for reviews; individual reviews are fine; if in doubt, it should be made clear the review is intended to help the AD, not to directly influence a document. All reviews should be copied to the dns-dir list and go to document editors and WG chairs, if applicable. Reviewer's due diligence applies. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (5) Other topics of general DNS relevance o Patrik giving status report on IAB draft; no action needed o 1123 ambiguity on "alphabetic" vs. "non-numerical" TLDs Mark: Rob and John Klensin to document history of current 1123 in a brief and concise manner (informational only) Liman and Matt to co-edit a dnsext document resolving the current ambiguity. [Unsure I got the exact task here, meeting was about to dissolve and discussion has been ongoing since.] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:41:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854E43A6C6B; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:41:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5513A6C6B for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:41:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.082, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WVtFIXDYV24r for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CED3A6923 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:41:52 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="116615604" Received: from unknown (HELO nj300815-nj-erheast.avaya.com) ([198.152.6.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 10:39:47 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="240904485" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by nj300815-nj-erheast-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 10:39:43 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:39:28 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu Thread-Index: AcjwNGFXuCGak1zRQYuQcP8CTTfJEQC5meaw References: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Peter Koch" , "IETF DNS Directorate" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Is the meeting today still on track? I may be late, and I need to know in advance what are the plans. Thanks and Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > Date: Thursday, 2008-07-31 20:00 - 22:00 > Location: Citywest Hotel, TBD _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:50:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564063A689E; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:50:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3591C3A689E for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:50:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.981 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.981 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.268, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yZ8QUukyAEdr for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B8E3A6834 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KOZTN-0004do-EB; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:49:45 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1KOZSA-0007ID-3F; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:48:30 +0200 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:48:30 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Message-ID: <20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de> References: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 04:39:28PM +0200, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Is the meeting today still on track? I may be late, and I need to know apologies, I've confused some by postimng the logistics suggestion under "Minutes": > here's a draft version of Tuesday's minutes. Everything not dealt with > was postponed until Thusrday. We haven't agreed upon a dinner venue, so > assuming availability of the meeting room (Kingslake, 2nd floor in the main > building) (thanks to Nominet), I'd suggest we meet there at 20:00 to go > through the work items and decide on real dinner on the spot. -Peter _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:54:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC4328C11E; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:54:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5146E28C106 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:54:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.531 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.531 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.068, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bZDgIXcR5lfx for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029E83A6C6E for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:54:21 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="116618094" Received: from unknown (HELO nj300815-nj-erheast.avaya.com) ([198.152.6.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 10:53:33 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="240924629" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by nj300815-nj-erheast-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 10:53:33 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:53:31 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu Thread-Index: AcjzHLGpu2NVMSNMRReYL9iOf8zwiQAAEnag References: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Peter Koch" Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Can someone send me a mobile phone number to ask about the decision for dinner in case I am late? (can be private mail) > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Koch [mailto:peter@denic.de] On Behalf Of Peter Koch > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:49 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) > Cc: IETF DNS Directorate > Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 04:39:28PM +0200, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > Is the meeting today still on track? I may be late, and I > need to know > > apologies, I've confused some by postimng the logistics > suggestion under > "Minutes": > > > here's a draft version of Tuesday's minutes. Everything not dealt > > with was postponed until Thusrday. We haven't agreed upon a dinner > > venue, so assuming availability of the meeting room (Kingslake, 2nd > > floor in the main > > building) (thanks to Nominet), I'd suggest we meet there at > 20:00 to > > go through the work items and decide on real dinner on the spot. > > -Peter > _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 07:59:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74E528C124; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:59:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1B528C142 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:59:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uLT2ZcY8e-7w for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com (e1.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.141]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9C528C124 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VEwUm0000400 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:58:30 -0400 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.0) with ESMTP id m6VEwUNW232340 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:58:30 -0400 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m6VEwUD1009130 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:58:30 -0400 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-76-146-83.mts.ibm.com [9.76.146.83]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m6VEwRxj008956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:58:29 -0400 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid-new [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.2/8.12.5) with ESMTP id m6VEwPfA004387 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:58:26 +0100 Message-Id: <200807311458.m6VEwPfA004387@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> to: IETF DNS Directorate In-reply-to: <20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de> References: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de> Comments: In-reply-to Peter Koch message dated "Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:48:30 +0200." Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:58:25 +0100 From: Thomas Narten Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org FYI, regrets for tonight's meeting. I have another obligation. (and believe me, I'd rather be discussing DNS stuff!) Thomas _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 08:33:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE7D3A6949; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:33:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E813C3A6949 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:33:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1rT6pdQit4Sj for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adrilankha.hactrn.net (adrilankha.hactrn.net [IPv6:2001:418:1::19]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CBD3A68A2 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from khazad-dum.hactrn.net (unknown [130.129.65.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "khazad-dum.hactrn.net", Issuer "Grunchweather Associates" (verified OK)) by adrilankha.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD28AB821 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from khazad-dum.hactrn.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by khazad-dum.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C39733D9 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:34:24 +0100 From: Rob Austein To: IETF DNS Directorate In-Reply-To: <200807311458.m6VEwPfA004387@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> References: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de> <200807311458.m6VEwPfA004387@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/21.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Message-Id: <20080731153424.E8C39733D9@khazad-dum.hactrn.net> Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org At Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:58:25 +0100, Thomas Narten wrote: > > FYI, regrets for tonight's meeting. I have another obligation. Likewise. Somehow I had thought this was going to be Thursday lunch, by the time I saw "dinner" it was too late for me to change plans. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 09:37:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4966F28C1F2; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:37:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37ADD28C1F2 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:37:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.534 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.534 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7tqbMRRaQVZv for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D1028C1DE for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:37:50 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="116635997" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 12:38:03 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="247990066" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 12:38:03 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:38:01 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080731153424.E8C39733D9@khazad-dum.hactrn.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu Thread-Index: AcjzIto3ckT2CfgAQ/WLOeDFPSKzgAACMiCw References: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de><20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de><200807311458.m6VEwPfA004387@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <20080731153424.E8C39733D9@khazad-dum.hactrn.net> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Rob Austein" , "IETF DNS Directorate" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org It looks like I will need to skip as well. I apologize for the confusion. It's been a long week and it's not over. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rob Austein > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 6:34 PM > To: IETF DNS Directorate > Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu > > At Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:58:25 +0100, Thomas Narten wrote: > > > > FYI, regrets for tonight's meeting. I have another obligation. > > Likewise. > > Somehow I had thought this was going to be Thursday lunch, by > the time I saw "dinner" it was too late for me to change plans. > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 09:51:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05F63A6914; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:51:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2123E3A6C6F for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:51:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sZZpuJfiMbVT for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.kahlerlarson.org (tornado.kahlerlarson.org [64.22.125.99]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6832E3A6914 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dul1mcmlarson-l1.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kahlerlarson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F46138B60 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:51:28 -0400 From: Matt Larson To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20080731165127.GC6215@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local> References: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: [dns-dir] Dinner details (was Re: DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu) X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Peter Koch wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 04:39:28PM +0200, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > Is the meeting today still on track? I may be late, and I need to know > > apologies, I've confused some by postimng the logistics suggestion under > "Minutes": > > > here's a draft version of Tuesday's minutes. Everything not dealt with > > was postponed until Thusrday. We haven't agreed upon a dinner venue, so > > assuming availability of the meeting room (Kingslake, 2nd floor in the main > > building) (thanks to Nominet), I'd suggest we meet there at 20:00 to go > > through the work items and decide on real dinner on the spot. I will not have had dinner by meeting time and therefore hope we will eat during the meeting. May I make a proposal? I've not been to Lemongrass yet (at the Golf hotel), but have heard good things about it. It also has the advantage of being different food than we've probably been eating all week. Anyone interested in convening over dinner there? If so, I can investgate a reservation. Matt _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 09:58:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5CFF3A6ACC; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:58:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D423A6ACC for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:58:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.062, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GyAcy71ut8tQ for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B465E3A692A for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:58:01 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="137644515" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 12:58:11 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215403200"; d="scan'208";a="248000932" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.14]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 12:58:10 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:56:59 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080731165127.GC6215@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [dns-dir] Dinner details (was Re: DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu) Thread-Index: AcjzLbM/bewjeo3/QSSKakOFAupAXgAAGVrg References: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de><20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080731165127.GC6215@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Matt Larson" , "IETF DNS Directorate" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Dinner details (was Re: DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu) X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org I've been there last night. Food is good indeed and probably different indeed (Asian fusion style) than whatever else we had this week. One caution word however - it's somehow noisy, with an open kitchen playing spectacular tricks, but they do have a more quiet area. Ask for a table in that area. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larson > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:51 PM > To: IETF DNS Directorate > Subject: [dns-dir] Dinner details (was Re: DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu) > > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Peter Koch wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 04:39:28PM +0200, Romascanu, Dan > (Dan) wrote: > > > Is the meeting today still on track? I may be late, and I need to > > > know > > > > apologies, I've confused some by postimng the logistics suggestion > > under > > "Minutes": > > > > > here's a draft version of Tuesday's minutes. Everything > not dealt > > > with was postponed until Thusrday. We haven't agreed > upon a dinner > > > venue, so assuming availability of the meeting room > (Kingslake, 2nd > > > floor in the main > > > building) (thanks to Nominet), I'd suggest we meet there > at 20:00 to > > > go through the work items and decide on real dinner on the spot. > > I will not have had dinner by meeting time and therefore hope > we will eat during the meeting. May I make a proposal? I've > not been to Lemongrass yet (at the Golf hotel), but have > heard good things about it. It also has the advantage of > being different food than we've probably been eating all > week. Anyone interested in convening over dinner there? If > so, I can investgate a reservation. > > Matt > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:04:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113953A6CE8; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DB33A68FA; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.525, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZluGowcvpyGu; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nominet.org.uk (mx4.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DB13A6CE8; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:04:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Cc: Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date: X-MIMETrack:Content-Type; b=RATmnZ2ZjxQP+QCm34kecYfYnp4+6zma0oCQA3iy/2LYAQ6tP8Fuaga1 6pAEylDHk1H/213t06sGjCfxvSS0omJbuRhfwfFxoP7BpwBO23SLMm+0o EZiYvA2J4uXTvK0; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=roy@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1217523912; x=1249059912; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20"Roy=20Arends"=20|Subject: =20Re:=20[dns-dir]=20Dinner=20details=20(was=20Re:=20=20D NS-Dir=20Meetings=20Tue=20&=20Thu)|Date:=20Thu,=2031=20Ju l=202008=2018:05:05=20+0100|Message-ID:=20|To:=20Matt=20Larson=20|Cc:=20IET F=20DNS=20Directorate=20,=0D=0A=09dns-d ir-bounces@ietf.org|MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<2 0080731165127.GC6215@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local>|References: =20<20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de>=09=0D=0A=09<20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de>=20<2 0080731165127.GC6215@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local>; bh=IojHikuT6l7ITkww9R9RIiSIboC0wL+LQAcUNB8T5is=; b=t7eaVGJYZG4TaD4j79JaGBb+D6gglKRgbwFpuuE6o19A4yTa8axeAvzL caxg0t7iN+AICPDpj6qzixrNusrT7FroWDiAzwcZbEURBkP3+Q3ZNpcPV EKyldvOAHszH4X5; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,287,1215385200"; d="scan'208";a="4504998" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 31 Jul 2008 18:05:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080731165127.GC6215@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local> References: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080731165127.GC6215@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local> To: Matt Larson MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V85_M1_05262008 May 26, 2008 Message-ID: From: "Roy Arends" Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:05:05 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 31/07/2008 06:05:07 PM, Serialize complete at 31/07/2008 06:05:07 PM Cc: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org, IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Dinner details (was Re: DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu) X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Matt Larson wrote on 07/31/2008 05:51:28 PM: > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Peter Koch wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 04:39:28PM +0200, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > > > Is the meeting today still on track? I may be late, and I need to know > > > > apologies, I've confused some by postimng the logistics suggestion under > > "Minutes": > > > > > here's a draft version of Tuesday's minutes. Everything not dealt with > > > was postponed until Thusrday. We haven't agreed upon a dinner venue, so > > > assuming availability of the meeting room (Kingslake, 2nd floor in the main > > > building) (thanks to Nominet), I'd suggest we meet there at 20:00 to go > > > through the work items and decide on real dinner on the spot. > > I will not have had dinner by meeting time and therefore hope we will > eat during the meeting. May I make a proposal? I've not been to > Lemongrass yet (at the Golf hotel), but have heard good things about > it. It also has the advantage of being different food than we've > probably been eating all week. Anyone interested in convening over > dinner there? If so, I can investgate a reservation. I'd _love_ to combine food&work, and yes, the lemongrass is really really good. Note that the little sticks on your icecream desert are some kind of noodles, and are just decoration ;-) But I digress. If dinner doesn't work out, the room is available, though I've seen way too much of it in the last few days. +1 for dinner. Roy _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 10:10:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B023A6914; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:10:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585AE3A6808 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:10:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vmbqYdFcmxzA for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADAE3A6914 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com ([129.146.228.50]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m6VHAntw008061; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:10:49 GMT Received: from [10.7.251.248] (punchin-nordmark.SFBay.Sun.COM [10.7.251.248]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m6VHAhOS517319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4891F212.9020904@sun.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:10:42 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080519) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Larson References: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080731165127.GC6215@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local> In-Reply-To: <20080731165127.GC6215@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local> Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Dinner details (was Re: DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu) X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Matt Larson wrote: > I will not have had dinner by meeting time and therefore hope we will > eat during the meeting. May I make a proposal? I've not been to > Lemongrass yet (at the Golf hotel), but have heard good things about > it. It also has the advantage of being different food than we've > probably been eating all week. Anyone interested in convening over > dinner there? If so, I can investgate a reservation. Works for me. Erik _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 31 11:15:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C895A28C274; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:15:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E8628C159 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:15:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bsUF+KwVaXtn for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.kahlerlarson.org (tornado.kahlerlarson.org [64.22.125.99]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5795928C26F for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dul1mcmlarson-l1.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kahlerlarson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A5E38B60 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:14:54 -0400 From: Matt Larson To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20080731181454.GA6459@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local> References: <20080727220029.GB21294@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080731144830.GE22154@x27.adm.denic.de> <20080731165127.GC6215@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080731165127.GC6215@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Dinner details (was Re: DNS-Dir Meetings Tue & Thu) X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Matt Larson wrote: > I will not have had dinner by meeting time and therefore hope we will > eat during the meeting. May I make a proposal? I've not been to > Lemongrass yet (at the Golf hotel), but have heard good things about > it. It also has the advantage of being different food than we've > probably been eating all week. Anyone interested in convening over > dinner there? If so, I can investgate a reservation. Having received some positive responses and no negative responses, I have "hedged our bets" by making a reservation for 12 people at 2015 at Lemongrass so that option is available to us. We can always cancel and do something else. May I suggest that we report to the Kingslake room at 2000 as originally instructed by our Secretary General and proceed from there however everyone decides. Matt _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir