From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 3 04:21:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1228A3A6AF4; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:21:53 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58673A6AEF for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:21:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.644 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.644 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BzswpmK1cdUm for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:21:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D1B3A6AEB for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:21:51 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,536,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="149682463" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2008 07:21:49 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2008 07:21:48 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:21:26 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: information for the call today? Thread-Index: Ack9rrFb0Av/X1rCQKydLi5/U3DJQQ== From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "IETF DNS Directorate" Subject: [dns-dir] information for the call today? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Do we have a dns-dir call set for today? If yes what is the call information? Thanks and Regards, Dan _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 3 04:39:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEDA28C0FB; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:39:43 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0564728C0FB for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:39:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.727 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.727 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.778, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, MANGLED_FREE=2.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fErSsGUydmkw for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1097928C0EE for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KwyiV-0000zH-Ke; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:39:35 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1KwygY-0005TH-5k; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:37:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:37:34 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Message-ID: <20081103123734.GA20798@x27.adm.denic.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] information for the call today? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 01:21:26PM +0100, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Do we have a dns-dir call set for today? If yes what is the call > information? apologies for late replies. The call is scheduled from 1500-1600 UTC, the numbers and codes are: The plan was to use Nominet's Telco logistics for the call (thanks to Roy, who is kindly asked to follow up with the details). US (east) +1 7183541169 US (west) +1 4089616553 NL +31 202013852 UK +44 2078193600 FR +33 171230055 SE +46 858536827 CA 18667425608 FI +358 969379595 DE +49 6950070811 Conference Code: 4227104 There were two agenda items: 1) Role of the DNS in current IPv4/IPv6 transition/translation/migration proposals Which drafts to look at, which WG sessions to follow in Minneapolis and how to organize review and advice [see also Andrew's follow-up posting] 2) IPR claims by TS Glassey Mutual information on the state of affairs (probably avoiding discussion of the merits) Regards, Peter _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 3 05:17:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2053A6AE7; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:17:42 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267CC3A6AE7 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:17:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.051 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.051 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MANGLED_FREE=2.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2i5ft1wDsv60 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:17:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.schlyter.se (trinitario.schlyter.se [195.47.254.10]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338263A6A8E for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:17:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (core.dnss.ec [82.94.105.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: roy) by mail.schlyter.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FAFC2D4D6 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:17:36 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <67AA90B0-212C-4A0F-A546-C394696DFD5A@dnss.ec> From: Roy Arends To: IETF DNS Directorate In-Reply-To: <20081103123734.GA20798@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:17:37 +0100 References: <20081103123734.GA20798@x27.adm.denic.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] information for the call today? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 3, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Peter Koch wrote: > On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 01:21:26PM +0100, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >> Do we have a dns-dir call set for today? If yes what is the call >> information? > > apologies for late replies. The call is scheduled from 1500-1600 UTC, > the numbers and codes are: > > The plan was to use Nominet's Telco logistics for the call (thanks > to Roy, > who is kindly asked to follow up with the details). > > US (east) +1 7183541169 > US (west) +1 4089616553 > NL +31 202013852 > UK +44 2078193600 > FR +33 171230055 > SE +46 858536827 > CA 18667425608 > FI +358 969379595 > DE +49 6950070811 > > Conference Code: 4227104 Ack, the above is correct. Let me know if you need more info. Roy _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 3 08:08:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9D73A6C7B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:08:15 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042113A6C19 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:08:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MANGLED_FREE=2.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QzwJ1YILTtz0 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:08:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from open.nlnetlabs.nl (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F81D3A6C93 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:06:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.24] (a82-95-132-144.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.95.132.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mA3G6ogV014986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:06:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) Message-Id: <23B9B6BB-DF40-4E18-8F06-57F3E8A691D2@NLnetLabs.nl> From: Olaf Kolkman To: Peter Koch In-Reply-To: <20081103123734.GA20798@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:06:50 +0100 References: <20081103123734.GA20798@x27.adm.denic.de> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d52 (v52, Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:06:51 +0100 (CET) Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] information for the call today? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1640533461==" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============1640533461== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-6-460590867" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-6-460590867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just noted that my agenda had this set at the wrong time... probably a winter/summer time screwup. *sigh* This was an important agenda. I feel lousy I missed it. --Olaf On Nov 3, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Peter Koch wrote: > On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 01:21:26PM +0100, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >> Do we have a dns-dir call set for today? If yes what is the call >> information? > > apologies for late replies. The call is scheduled from 1500-1600 UTC, > the numbers and codes are: > > The plan was to use Nominet's Telco logistics for the call (thanks > to Roy, > who is kindly asked to follow up with the details). > > US (east) +1 7183541169 > US (west) +1 4089616553 > NL +31 202013852 > UK +44 2078193600 > FR +33 171230055 > SE +46 858536827 > CA 18667425608 > FI +358 969379595 > DE +49 6950070811 > > > Conference Code: 4227104 > > There were two agenda items: > > > 1) Role of the DNS in current IPv4/IPv6 transition/translation/ > migration > proposals > Which drafts to look at, which WG sessions to follow in Minneapolis > and how to organize review and advice > [see also Andrew's follow-up posting] > > 2) IPR claims by TS Glassey > Mutual information on the state of affairs (probably avoiding > discussion > of the merits) > > Regards, > Peter > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir --Apple-Mail-6-460590867 content-type: application/pgp-signature; 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Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:12:27 +0100 Received: from xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-332.cisco.com [144.254.231.87]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA46CRAD016643; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:12:27 GMT Received: from xfe-ams-332.cisco.com ([144.254.231.73]) by xbh-ams-332.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:12:27 +0100 Received: from Townsley-MacBook.local ([10.82.238.200]) by xfe-ams-332.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:12:26 +0100 Message-ID: <490FE7C7.7070709@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:12:23 -0800 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF DNS Directorate X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2008 06:12:26.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F88BF70:01C93E44] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=812; t=1225779147; x=1226643147; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=townsley@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Townsley=20 |Subject:=20Dynamic=20DNS=20Updates=20with=20Leases |Sender:=20; bh=tEEm04SUKTQ2rcFfqERnN7Qyaae5KTU5JHvd7bIPBpQ=; b=DTvErng8c34buX/IQtUSxy4HgsWPaNK59k9hwPb9+jqiyXsRcc6PCRmpqJ yj7UBJqKxDHm/6ujDDhTQ0dYJAQsbewJm6S6MB8FayLz+abEyqSonB6vCuql jXgoAGcNl6; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=townsley@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Subject: [dns-dir] Dynamic DNS Updates with Leases X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Directorate, As you may know, I am shepherding the set of Bonjour specifications - mostly as informational documents to describe what has been implemented by Apple and others. We picked out one of the documents for PS (the address collision detection document), and I am considering this one as well (it's a really short document): http://files.dns-sd.org/draft-sekar-dns-ul.txt This document essentially adds a "lease time" to a dynamic dns update. It is an important feature for Bonjour, but is generally applicable - and something that I believe has been brought up before in dnsext. I have a couple of questions (1) Is this generally applicable in a non-Bonjour environment, and (2) is this something we should publish on the standards track within dnsext? Thanks, - Mark _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 4 00:14:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4250F3A695D; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:14:45 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7C13A6931 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:14:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HPb55LpNdW1o for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyteen.hactrn.net (cyteen.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:210:5aff:fe86:1f54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071A53A6962 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (thrintun.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:219:d1ff:fe12:5d30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "thrintun.hactrn.net", Issuer "Grunchweather Associates" (verified OK)) by cyteen.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39A4C2954F for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:14:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by thrintun.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE64322807 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:14:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:14:37 -0500 From: Rob Austein To: IETF DNS Directorate In-Reply-To: <490FE7C7.7070709@cisco.com> References: <490FE7C7.7070709@cisco.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/21.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Message-Id: <20081104081437.DE64322807@thrintun.hactrn.net> Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Dynamic DNS Updates with Leases X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org At Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:12:23 -0800, Mark Townsley wrote: > > http://files.dns-sd.org/draft-sekar-dns-ul.txt > > This document essentially adds a "lease time" to a dynamic dns update. > It is an important feature for Bonjour, but is generally applicable - > and something that I believe has been brought up before in dnsext. I > have a couple of questions (1) Is this generally applicable in a > non-Bonjour environment, and (2) is this something we should publish on > the standards track within dnsext? Also known as the "time bomb" feature. Proponants during past cycles have grown mysteriously quiet when asked what happens if there's a network partition while the bomb is ticking. Bonjour is a LAN protocol, so Bonjour ignores the issue. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 4 11:02:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7A428C271; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:02:44 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409E028C26E for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:02:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.618 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.618 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.631, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H0YAVoyxuujD for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:02:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814C43A6CA4 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:02:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1KxR9a-0006XI-MF; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:01:26 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1KxR7c-0008Sj-Iw; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:59:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:59:24 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20081104185924.GC4018@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="FCuugMFkClbJLl1L" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: [dns-dir] 2008-11-03 conf call draft minutes X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Dear DNS Directorate Members, find below the draft minutes of yesterday's conf call with an action item on $all for the v4/v6 co-existence and the scheduling attempt for the working session in Minneapolis. Best regards, Peter --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="minutes20081103.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- DRAFT Minutes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2008-11-03 DNS Directorate conference call [1500-1535 UTC] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- $Id: minutes20081103.txt,v 1.2 2008/11/04 18:54:01 pk Exp $ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Present: Roy Arends, Olafur Gudmundsson, Peter Koch, Matt Larson, Dan Romascanu, Tom Yu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agenda: 1) Role of the DNS in current IPv4/IPv6 transition/translation/migration proposals Which drafts to look at, which WG sessions to follow in Minneapolis and how to organize review and advice 2) IPR claims by TS Glassey Mutual information on the state of affairs (probably avoiding discussion of the merits) 3) A.O.B. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1506 Role of the DNS in current IPv4/IPv6 transition[...] proposals Andrew had identified (in his message dated 2008-10-28): o DNS64: DNS extensions for Network Address Translation from IPv6 Clients to IPv4 Servers o Learning the Address Family Translator's IPv6 Prefix o Framework for IPv4/IPv6 Translation o IP/ICMP Translation Algorithm The most relevant proposals seem to be discussed in the softwire and behave WGs: softwire is going to meet 1740-1930 on Thursday behave is going to meet 0900-1015 on Wednesday 0900-1130 on Thursday 1300-1515 on Friday, with listing the DNS relevant topics for the Thu slot. Olafur had read most of the drafts and confirmed that some have DNS and/or DNSSEC issues. ACTION: Ask for DNS Directorate members and additional DNS knowledgable volunteers to read and review drafts and attend sessions; committments due Monday of the meeting week. Gather volunteer reviewers/advisors early during the meeting week to synchronize views and attempt consistent advise. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1523 Todd Glassey's IPR Filings Todd Galssey has filed several IPR disclosure statements re: several published RFCs and started to respond to I-D announcements, see The US patent number is 6370629. Olafur gave some background information; no need for coordinated action at the moment. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1529 A.O.B. Olafur reports progress on the action item re: SRV and "underscore names": An I-D "Creation of a registry for DNS SRV record protocol names" is now available. Two reactions so far from IANA (may interfere with protocol names registry) and Alfred Hönes (applause). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Next meetings: IETF73, Minneapolis (quoting the IETF72 minutes): "A physical meeting is planned for lunch on Monday of the IETF week, starting with IETF 73" 01 December, 1500 UTC: next regular conf call ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L-- From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 5 05:19:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A233A69DF; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:19:44 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39E83A69DF for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:19:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pPVPSiUhq9fO for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:19:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from e34.co.us.ibm.com (e34.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.152]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBB93A6840 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.227]) by e34.co.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mA5DJLZc014722 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:19:21 -0700 Received: from d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (d03av04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.170]) by d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id mA5DJeGa147056 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:19:40 -0700 Received: from d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id mA5DJd8H015396 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:19:39 -0700 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-222-69.mts.ibm.com [9.65.222.69]) by d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mA5DJZiw015174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:19:38 -0700 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.2/8.12.5) with ESMTP id mA5DJYpv003670 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:19:34 +0200 Message-Id: <200811051319.mA5DJYpv003670@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: dns-dir@ietf.org Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:19:34 +0200 From: Thomas Narten Subject: [dns-dir] Microsoft & DNSSEC X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org They will be shipping it in Windows, target is Q1 2010. Caching resolver does validation, IPsec secured channel between server and client (no validation on client). Will use the DO/AD bits, but only if IPsec channel has been setup. There is a bit more detail in the transcript (ready in a few days?). Charts http://cai.icann.org/en/node/1649 Thomas _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 05:09:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9633A6813; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 05:09:11 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01EE3A67F0 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 05:09:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.604 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.604 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2wcv9+wEUVtU for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 05:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com (nj300815-nj-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.12.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574653A6813 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 05:09:05 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,557,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="141175179" Received: from unknown (HELO nj300815-nj-erheast.avaya.com) ([198.152.6.5]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2008 08:08:11 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by nj300815-nj-erheast-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2008 08:08:11 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:08:10 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-enum-combined Thread-Index: AclAEIx/XvmaqkA6Q7egfZx5YpWvwQAACFWw From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "IETF DNS Directorate" Cc: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Subject: [dns-dir] FW: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-enum-combined X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org -----Original Message----- From: iesg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pasi Eronen Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:07 PM To: iesg@ietf.org Cc: enum-chairs@tools.ietf.org; richard.stastny@oefeg.at; otmar.lendl@enum.at; mah@inode.at Subject: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-enum-combined Discuss: A question: has this document been reviewed by the DNS directorate? In particular, I'm wondering if the use of DNAME records is consistent with current thinking about DNS, and with the currently deployed infrastructure? (That is, if DNAME records as described would be created, would the ENUM clients and caching DNS resolvers process them as intended?) _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 07:11:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40273A697D; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:11:16 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AB63A6834; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:11:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.604 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.604 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IT2ZmAgPJIFt; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4DB3A657C; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:11:10 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,557,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="150187593" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by co300216-co-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2008 10:04:05 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2008 10:04:04 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:03:31 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4912FF84.3040407@nic.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-enum-combined Thread-Index: AclAHDoMDjdELrT8TwGZpAq6sS29/QAA+sJA References: <20081106130656.8DFD13A6931@core3.amsl.com> <4912FF84.3040407@nic.at> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Otmar Lendl" , "Pasi Eronen" Cc: mah@inode.at, enum-chairs@tools.ietf.org, richard.stastny@oefeg.at, iesg@ietf.org, otmar.lendl@enum.at, IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DISCUSS: draft-ietf-enum-combined X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org See in-line. Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: iesg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Otmar Lendl > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:30 PM > To: Pasi Eronen > Cc: enum-chairs@tools.ietf.org; richard.stastny@oefeg.at; > otmar.lendl@enum.at; mah@inode.at; iesg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: DISCUSS: draft-ietf-enum-combined > > Pasi Eronen wrote: > > Discuss: > > A question: has this document been reviewed by the DNS directorate? > > There has been no formal review by DNS directorate. > > I had extensive discussions regarding this draft with various > members, e.g. Olafur, Olaf and Peter. > > What is the procedure to actually initiate a formal review from them? You send a mail to dns-dir@ietf.org or ask one of the OPS or INT ADs for a review. In principle when the document comes to the IESG agenda for approval it will be scanned by the DNS-DIR folks for any DNS-related content, and then a review is triggered if necessary. If you do not want however to get your comments too late it's better for the authors PROTO shepherd to ask for an early review and discussions with DNS-DIR. These happened in this case as I understand, even if the review was not formal. > > > In particular, I'm wondering if the use of DNAME records is > consistent > > with current thinking about DNS, and with the currently deployed > > infrastructure? (That is, if DNAME records as described would be > > created, would the ENUM clients and caching DNS resolvers > process them > > as intended?) > > Well, a few points here: > > * This is exactly what DNAME was invented for. If it doesn't work > in this case, then DNAME is fundamentally unsound. > > * DNAME is currently being tested as a way to introduce > internationalized > TLDs: See e.g. > > > http://icann.org/announcements/dname-white-paper-verisign-17nov05.pdf > http://jprs.co.jp/en/topics/080929.html > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-56/presentations/YONEYA -DNAME_Issues_Regarding_IDN_TLD.pdf There seem to be political issues, but I haven't found a technical report listing technical problems with this approach. * there is not really any installed base to consider: I-ENUM is a green field deployment as of now. We don't have to care about stone-age DNS elements which have to continue to work. This is why I included the section on transition in this ID: so that people who start to deploy I-ENUM are aware that their gear needs to support DNAME for the future transition process. cheers, /ol -- // Otmar Lendl , T: +43 1 5056416 - 33, F: - 933 // _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 12:15:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D783A696C; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:15:05 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F603A69E9 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:15:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.472 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.472 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.128, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F-mBZrjLyxEb for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0873A67AC for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6KETpb089112 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081106_201429_080585.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early warning: ietf-doc/id_new/draft-baker-behave-v4v6-framework-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 31 behave F. Baker, Ed. Internet-Draft Cisco Systems Intended status: Informational October 26, 2008 Expires: April 29, 2009 Framework for IPv4/IPv6 Translation draft-baker-behave-v4v6-framework-00 Abstract This note describes a framework for IPv4/IPv6 translation. This is in the context of replacing NAT-PT, which was deprecated by RFC 4966, and to enable networks to have IPv4 and IPv6 coexist in a somewhat rational manner while transitioning to an IPv6 network. Requirements Language The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119 [RFC2119]. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 12:15:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E843D3A6A33; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:15:06 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1523A696C for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:15:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.847 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.847 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.752, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ojg4gtrN9BEb for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4D63A67AC for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6KEWtY089498 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081106_201432_004569.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early warning: ietf-doc/id_new/draft-gudmundsson-dns-srv-iana-registry-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 52 Network Working Group O. Gudmundsson Internet-Draft OGUD Consulting LLC Expires: April 30, 2009 October 27, 2008 Creation of a registry for DNS SRV record protocol names draft-gudmundsson-dns-srv-iana-registry-00 Abstract DNS SRV record was specified in RFC2052 and RFC2782. These two RFC did not specify an IANA registry for names of the protocols using SRV records. This document creates such a registry. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 12:27:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2413A6AB1; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9823A699F for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.035 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.035 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.564, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2dhv0I8Yzaa1 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FD53A6A4D for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6KEU0Z089148 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081106_201430_016131.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early warning: ietf-doc/id_new/draft-bellis-dnsext-dnsproxy-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 86 DNSEXT R. Bellis Internet-Draft Nominet UK Intended status: BCP October 27, 2008 Expires: April 30, 2009 DNS Proxy Implementation Guidelines draft-bellis-dnsext-dnsproxy-00 Abstract This document provides guidelines for the implementation of DNS proxies, as found in broadband routers and other similar network devices. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 12:27:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B643A6ABE; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08F23A6AAC for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.148 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.148 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.451, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UL5gHZ60fK2Y for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4783A6A7C for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6KEVnW089264 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081106_201431_094362.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early warning: ietf-doc/id_new/draft-carpenter-renum-needs-work-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 44 Network Working Group B. Carpenter Internet-Draft Univ. of Auckland Intended status: Informational R. Atkinson Expires: April 25, 2009 Extreme Networks October 23, 2008 Renumbering still needs work draft-carpenter-renum-needs-work-00 Abstract This document reviews the existing mechanisms for site renumbering for both IPv4 and IPv6, and identifies operational issues with those mechanisms. It also summarises current technical proposals for additional mechanisms. Finally there is a gap analysis. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 12:27:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7533A6AC6; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E003A6AAC for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.223 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.223 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.376, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bwzl2QukINuG for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4510C3A699F for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6KEUP6089137 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081106_201430_026517.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early warning: ietf-doc/id_new/draft-barwood-dnsext-fr-resolver-mitigations-08.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 15 DNS Extensions Working Group G. Barwood Internet-Draft Intended status: Informational October 26, 2008 Expires: April 2009 Resolver side mitigations draft-barwood-dnsext-fr-resolver-mitigations-08 Abstract Describes mitigations against spoofing attacks on DNS, including: (1) Repeating the query, including techniques for handling non-deterministic responses. (2) Prepending a random nonce to the question where a referral is probable. (3) Estimating the entropy available, taking into account (a) Observed packets with incorrect IDs. (b) The content of the cache. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 12:27:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA84B3A6A7C; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:59 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9D83A6AAC for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.322, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y4knzKa9+R+5 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF62A3A6A7C for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6KEVak089302 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081106_201431_031187.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early warning: ietf-doc/id_new/draft-cole-manet-olsrv2-mib-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 451 Internet Engineering Task Force R.G. Cole Internet-Draft Johns Hopkins University Intended status: Standards Track T. Clausen Expires: April 30, 2009 LIX, Ecole Polytechnique, France October 27, 2008 Definition of Managed Objects for the MANET Optimized Link State Routing Protocol version 2 draft-cole-manet-olsrv2-mib-00 Abstract This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes objects for configuring and managing aspects of the Optimized Link State Routing protocol version 2. The Optimized Link State Routing MIB also reports state information, performance metrics, and notifications. In addition to _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 12:28:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011053A6AC6; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:28:00 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283213A6ACC for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.317 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.317 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.282, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yOc5j+yXE8ZG for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464BF3A6A4D for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6KEWMw089370 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081106_201432_027953.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early warning: ietf-doc/id_new/draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 28 Network Working Group J. Dickinson Internet-Draft Intended status: Standards Track S. Morris Expires: April 30, 2009 R. Arends Nominet UK October 27, 2008 Design for a Nameserver Control Protocol draft-dickinson-dnsop-nameserver-control-00.txt Abstract This document presents a design for a nameserver control protocol (NSCP). A common data model for describing the configuration and operation of a basic, but usable, generic name server is defined. This is expressed in a formal modeling language (YANG) and can be used as the basis of a set of NETCONF operations and capabilities. The data model described is extensible and will allow for the creation of additional capabilities, ensuring that the protocol can support all the features of a name server. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 12:28:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C89E3A6AD3; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:28:00 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A842F3A6ACC for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.348 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.348 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.251, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EtUWpBjSqqtQ for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22033A6A7C for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6KETs7089120 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:14:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081106_201429_012495.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early warning: ietf-doc/id_new/draft-baker-behave-v4v6-translation-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 14 behave X. Li, Ed. Internet-Draft C. Bao, Ed. Intended status: Informational CERNET Center/Tsinghua University Expires: April 29, 2009 F. Baker, Ed. Cisco Systems October 26, 2008 IP/ICMP Translation Algorithm draft-baker-behave-v4v6-translation-00 Abstract This document specifies an update to the Stateless IP/ICMP Translation Algorithm (SIIT) described in RFC 2765. The algorithm translates between IPv4 and IPv6 packet headers (including ICMP headers). This specification addresses both a stateful and a stateless mode. In the stateful mode, translation state is maintained between IPv4 address/transport/port tuples and IPv6 address/transport/port tuples, enabling IPv6 systems to open sessions with IPv4 systems. In the stateless mode, translation information is carried in the address _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 12:53:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04963A6A9B; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:53:17 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0D13A6A9B for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:53:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.373 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.373 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.226, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xVfqp8NK6puZ for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A003A6A28 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from Puki.ogud.com (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA6Kr1br090104 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:53:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200811062053.mA6Kr1br090104@stora.ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:52:43 -0500 To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur Gudmundsson Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] Early warning system X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Well it looks like my cron job did not work :-( I just now manually checked all the drafts that have been submitted since the last run (about 1000) purged the list to 860 by eliminating duplicates. I will send out 4 batches of early warning messages, every 10 hours, you have seen the first batch, three more to come. Olafur _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 22:18:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1683A6B1F; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:18:17 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C463A6B1E for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:18:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.394 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.394 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.205, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iQqMufHitvmx for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:18:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05F63A6B19 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:18:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA76HfPT093975 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:17:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:17:41 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081107_061741_096161.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-ietf-idnabis-defs-01.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 27 Network Working Group J. Klensin Internet-Draft November 1, 2008 Obsoletes: 3490 (if approved) Intended status: Standards Track Expires: May 5, 2009 Internationalized Domain Names for Applications (IDNA): Definitions and Document Framework draft-ietf-idnabis-defs-01.txt Abstract This document is one of a collection that, together, describe the protocol and usage context for a revision of Internationalized Domain Names for Applications (IDNA), superseding the earlier version. It describes the document collection and provides definitions and other material that are common to the set. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 6 22:18:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE4F3A6B1F; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:18:19 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22523A6B22 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:18:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.411 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.411 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.188, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rXOjF8-rzrFd for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09EE3A6B19 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA76Hh1B094319 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:17:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:17:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081107_061743_001693.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-ietf-nfsv4-federated-fs-dns-srv-namespace-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 54 Network Working Group C. Everhart Internet-Draft W. Adamson Intended status: Standards Track NetApp Expires: March 30, 2009 J. Zhang Google September 26, 2008 Using DNS SRV to Specify a Global File Name Space with NFS version 4 draft-ietf-nfsv4-federated-fs-dns-srv-namespace-00.txt Abstract The NFS version 4 protocol provides a natural way for a collection of NFS file servers to collaborate in providing an organization-wide file name space. The DNS SRV RR allows a simple and appropriate way for an organization to publish the root of its name space, even to clients that might not be intimately associated with such an organization. DNS SRV can be used to join these organization-wide _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 02:16:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182E83A6968; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:16:12 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB4E3A6968 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:16:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.217, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HJm23KVeZxLr for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from open.nlnetlabs.nl (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C354F3A68BA for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 02:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-94.nlnetlabs.nl (dhcp-94.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.94]) (authenticated bits=0) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mA7AFvpZ040934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:15:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) Message-Id: From: Olaf Kolkman To: Peter Koch In-Reply-To: <20081104185924.GC4018@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:15:57 +0100 References: <20081104185924.GC4018@x27.adm.denic.de> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d52 (v52, Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:15:58 +0100 (CET) Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] 2008-11-03 conf call draft minutes X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0233457660==" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0233457660== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-24-785138217" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-24-785138217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for these clear minutes. On Nov 4, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Peter Koch wrote: > Dear DNS Directorate Members, > > find below the draft minutes of yesterday's conf call with an action > item > on $all for the v4/v6 co-existence and the scheduling attempt for the > working session in Minneapolis. > > Best regards, > Peter > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir --Apple-Mail-24-785138217 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. iEYEARECAAYFAkkUFV0ACgkQtN/ca3YJIofJTgCfVYjU+1jUrsd6+CU15z8JctYs AEsAn0+lZZjus6aVNZkk4henq1cb6WLy =xCX4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-24-785138217-- --===============0233457660== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir --===============0233457660==-- From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 08:18:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA71628C13B; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:07 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71DA28C139 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.426 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.426 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.173, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dhYwzKVci1h6 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E433528C113 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA7GHj5F099153 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:17:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:17:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081107_161745_071146.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-ietf-sieve-managesieve-01.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 25 Sieve Working Group A. Melnikov, Ed. Internet-Draft Isode Limited Intended status: Standards Track T. Martin Expires: May 5, 2009 BeThereBeSquare Inc. November 1, 2008 A Protocol for Remotely Managing Sieve Scripts draft-ietf-sieve-managesieve-01 Abstract Sieve scripts allow users to filter incoming email. Message stores are commonly sealed servers so users cannot log into them, yet users must be able to update their scripts on them. This document describes a protocol "ManageSieve" for securely managing Sieve scripts on a remote server. This protocol allows a user to have multiple scripts, and also alerts a user to syntactically flawed scripts. Changes since draft-martin-managesieve-09 _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 08:18:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92BC28C13B; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:08 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D156728C131 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.161, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sxxaPhGWzFiO for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B4628C113 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA7GHlUK099395 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:17:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:17:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081107_161747_097786.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-ietf-xcon-ccmp-01.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 16 XCON Working Group M. Barnes Internet-Draft Nortel Intended status: Standards Track C. Boulton Expires: May 7, 2009 Avaya S P. Romano University of Napoli H. Schulzrinne Columbia University November 3, 2008 Centralized Conferencing Manipulation Protocol draft-ietf-xcon-ccmp-01 Abstract The Centralized Conferencing Manipulation Protocol (CCMP) can create, retrieve, change and delete objects describing a centralized conference, such as state and capabilities of the conference, participants, and their roles. The conference information is contained in XML documents and fragments conforming to the centralized conferencing data model schema. CCMP is a state-less client-server protocol based on a request/response model. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 08:18:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A9A28C14A; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:10 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4F128C146 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bZ3SVoe++S2z for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AD928C113 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA7GHmHU099562 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:17:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:17:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081107_161748_082514.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-korhonen-netlmm-lma-discovery-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 11 Network-based Localized Mobility J. Korhonen Management (NetLMM) TeliaSonera Internet-Draft V. Devarapalli Intended status: Informational WiChorus Expires: April 13, 2009 October 10, 2008 LMA Discovery for Proxy Mobile IPv6 draft-korhonen-netlmm-lma-discovery-00.txt Abstract Large Proxy Mobile IPv6 deployments would benefit from a functionality, where a Mobile Access Gateway could dynamically discover a Local Mobility Anchor for a Mobile Node attaching to a Proxy Mobile IPv6 domain. The purpose of the dynamic discovery functionality is to reduce the amount of static configuration in the Mobile Access Gateway. This specification describes a number of possible dynamic Local Mobility Anchor discovery solutions. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 08:18:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3AD28C14F; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:10 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4410A28C14A for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.458 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.458 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.141, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tt1tXAAhcXr0 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7C828C113 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA7GHmcF099588 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:17:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:17:48 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081107_161748_067037.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-kucherawy-sender-auth-esmtp-01.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 21 Individual submission M. Kucherawy Internet-Draft Sendmail, Inc. Intended status: Standards Track September 29, 2008 Expires: April 2, 2009 SMTP Service Extension for Indicating Message Authentication Status draft-kucherawy-sender-auth-esmtp-01 Abstract This memo defines an extension to the Simple Mail Transfer protocol (SMTP) service whereby a server can indicate its ability to accept and apply information regarding the efforts of upstream SMTP servers to establish authenticity of the message via various authentication methods. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 08:27:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510263A6A01; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:27:03 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF4C3A69B8 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:27:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.466 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.466 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.133, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E9-tkRQhwbXs for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:27:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8923A6A01 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:27:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA7GHm8e099602 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:17:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:17:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081107_161749_086067.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-kucherawy-sender-auth-imap-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 19 Individual submission M. Kucherawy Internet-Draft Sendmail, Inc. Intended status: Standards Track October 10, 2008 Expires: April 13, 2009 IMAP Annotation for Indicating Message Authentication Status draft-kucherawy-sender-auth-imap-00 Abstract This memo defines an application of the IMAP (Internet Message Access Protocol) Annotations facility whereby a server can store and retrieve meta-data about a message relating to message authentication tests performed on the message and the corresponding results. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 18:18:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF3D3A67E2; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:18:35 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45723A67E2 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:18:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.125, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mZFPDZYcOE2Z for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4E33A635F for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA82HoJ8093985 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081108_021750_006639.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-miyata-behave-prefix64-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 30 Network Working Group H. Miyata Internet-Draft Yokogawa Electric Corp. Intended status: Informational October 14, 2008 Expires: April 17, 2009 PREFIX64 Comparison draft-miyata-behave-prefix64-00.txt Abstract There are several NAT64 and/or NAT46 proposals. Each of them have recommended PREFIX64, which is used to represent IPv4 address in IPv6 address format. Each of them have advantages and shortcomes. Therefore the preferable PREFIX64 would depends on the utilization scene. This draft compares seven proposals for IPv6 and IPv4 coexistence.i _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 18:18:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788B328C122; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:18:36 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39CA3A67E2 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:18:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.48 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.48 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.119, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O-dYk+KQxDXI for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DADE3A635F for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA82HrOV094368 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081108_021753_049030.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-tolle-cap-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 19 Network Working Group G. Tolle Internet-Draft Arch Rock Corporation Intended status: Informational October 8, 2008 Expires: April 11, 2009 A UDP/IP Adaptation of the ZigBee Application Protocol draft-tolle-cap-00 Abstract This document describes a UDP/IP adaptation of the IEEE 802.15.4- based ZigBee Application Protocol that enables IP hosts to communicate using the application profiles and data models described by that protocol, over a wide range of links. This modified version of the ZigBee Application Protocol is named CAP (Compact Application Protocol), and it is intended to provide a complete stack of application profiles, data exchange, binding operations, security protocols, and discovery to IP-networked hosts and embedded devices. The protocol's domain of applicability includes IEEE 802.15.4-based 6LoWPAN devices, but also those on conventional wired and wireless links and emerging powerline communication networks. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 18:19:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865733A67EC; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:19:41 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C703A67E2 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:19:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.486 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.486 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.113, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7s3uGK2t0F0c for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:19:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3810F3A635F for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:19:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA82Hsd3094446 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081108_021754_096974.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-weaver-dnsext-fr-comprehensive-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 56 DNS Extensions Working Group N. Weaver Internet-Draft International Computer Science Intended status: Informational Institute Expires: April 3, 2009 September 30, 2008 Comprehensive DNS Resolver Defenses Against Cache Poisoning draft-weaver-dnsext-fr-comprehensive-00 Abstract DNS resolvers are vulnerable to many attacks on their network communication, ranging from blind attacks to full men-in-the-middle. Although a full man-in-the-middle can only be countered with cryptography, there are many layers of defenses which apply to less powerful attackers. Of particular interest are defenses which only require changing the DNS resolvers, not the authoritative servers or the DNS protocols. This document begins with a taxonomy of attacker capabilities and desires, and then discusses defenses against classes of attackers, including detecting non-disruptive attacks, entropy budgeting, detecting entropy stripping, semantics of duplication, and cache policies to eliminate "race-until-win" conditions. Proposed defenses were evaluated with traces of network behavior. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 18:27:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF66A3A6996; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:09 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0677C3A68FD for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.492 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.492 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.107, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GbxxPKG6P43G for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D373A681B for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA82HsJI094478 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081108_021754_010667.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-wing-behave-learn-prefix-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 30 BEHAVE Working Group D. Wing Internet-Draft Cisco Intended status: Informational October 23, 2008 Expires: April 26, 2009 Learning the Address Family Translator's IPv6 Prefix draft-wing-behave-learn-prefix-00 Abstract In some IPv6/IPv4 translation scenarios it is necessary for an IPv6 host to know the IPv6 prefix used by its address family translator. In some of the IPv6/IPv4 translation proposals, the prefix is not fixed; that is, the prefix is chosen by the network operator. This specification provides several methods to learn the prefix and its length. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 18:27:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72D63A696E; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:10 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EDD3A69B1 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.497 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.497 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.103, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RuhxoiHjaOYs for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7303A6870 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA82Hps0094151 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081108_021751_098211.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-pettersen-subtld-structure-04.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 11 Network Working Group Y. Pettersen Internet-Draft Opera Software ASA Updates: RFC 2965 November 3, 2008 (if approved) Intended status: Experimental Expires: May 7, 2009 The TLD Subdomain Structure Protocol and its use for Cookie domain validation draft-pettersen-subtld-structure-04 Abstract This document defines a protocol and specification format that can be used by a client to discover how a Top Level Domain (TLD) is organized in terms of what subdomains are used to place closely related but independent domains, e.g. commercial domains in country code TLDs (ccTLD) like .uk are placed in the .co.uk subTLD domain. This information is then used to limit which domains an Internet service can set cookies for, strengthening the rules already defined by the cookie specifications. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 18:27:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEE128C166; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:10 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102C13A6870 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.098, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j+U13OihhyEp for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327FB3A681B for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA82HqlQ094261 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081108_021752_029818.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-savolainen-6man-fqdn-based-if-selection-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 67 Individual Submission T. Savolainen Internet Draft Nokia Intended status: Experimental October 23, 2008 Expires: April 2009 Domain name based network interface selection draft-savolainen-6man-fqdn-based-if-selection-00.txt Abstract A multi-homed host with multiple physical and/or virtual network interfaces has to select which one of the network interfaces to use for a new outgoing IPv4 or IPv6 connection. This document describes a method to select an interface by using destination's fully qualified domain name and DNS suffix information received dynamically for each network interface. The method is useful, for example, in split horizon DNS and walled garden scenarios, where right network interface has to be selected even before DNS resolution is conducted. Table of Contents _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 18:27:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D4B3A6996; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:11 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7B03A6870 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.505 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.505 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.094, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ceCrOez9OFuD for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4F83A696E for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA82HsaO094438 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081108_021754_080124.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-wbeebee-ipv6-cpe-router-03.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 19 Network Working Group H. Singh Internet-Draft W. Beebee Intended status: BCP Cisco Systems, Inc. Expires: May 3, 2009 October 30, 2008 IPv6 CPE Router Recommendations draft-wbeebee-ipv6-cpe-router-03 Abstract This document recommends IPv6 behavior for Customer Premises Equipment (CPE) routers in Internet-enabled homes and small offices. The CPE Router may be a standalone device. The CPE Router may also be embedded in a device such as a cable modem, DSL modem, cellular phone, etc. This document describes the router portion of such a device. The purpose behind this document is to provide minimal functionality for interoperability and create consistency in the customer experience and satisfy customer expectations for the device. Further, the document also provide some guidance for implementers to expedite availability of IPv6 CPE router products in the marketplace. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 18:27:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25A228C177; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:11 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168C53A6996 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.090, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WauTmY49dxLw for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8553A681B for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA82HrEh094418 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081108_021753_077589.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-vogt-durand-virtual-ip6-connectivity-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 67 Network Working Group C. Vogt Internet-Draft Ericsson Expires: April 30, 2009 A. Durand Comcast October 27, 2008 Virtual IPv6 Connectivity for IPv4-Only Networks draft-vogt-durand-virtual-ip6-connectivity-00.txt Abstract This document proposes Virtual IPv6 Connectivity, a method for deployment in IPv4-only networks to enable communications with the IPv6 Internet. Virtual IPv6 Connectivity uses IP protocol translation to support both incoming traffic from IPv6 to IPv4, and outgoing traffic from IPv4 to IPv6. Communications initiated into the latter direction are facilitated through DNS or DNSSEC proxies. Different than existing IPv4/IPv6 interworking techniques, which are for deployment in IPv6 networks, Virtual IPv6 Connectivity does not require extra, globally unique IPv4 addresses. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 7 18:27:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11533A696E; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:12 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3C73A681B for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PMIvsLvzVPpZ for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B932628C122 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA82HpQ9094071 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: Olafur_DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:17:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-new.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "ogud" Message-ID: <20081108_021751_096556.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS Early Warn: draft-nkong-esds-ons-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Count: 31 Network Working Group Ning. Kong Internet-Draft Xiaodong. Li Intended status: Experimental CNNIC Expires: April 28, 2009 Seung Jai. Yi NIDA Oct 25, 2008 Object Naming Service (ONS) Extension for Extensible Supply-chain Discovery Service (ESDS) draft-nkong-esds-ons-00.txt Abstract Object Naming Service (ONS) is a network service that leverages Domain Name System (DNS) to discover information about a product and related services from the Electronic Product Code (EPC). Extensible Supply-chain Discovery Service (ESDS) is an application layer protocol for the distributed sharing and discovery of notification events between associated partners within a supply chain. Unlike DNS or ONS, where there is a known set of root servers, ESDS will have numerous roots for various supply chains operating globally. ONS can be used in collaboration with ESDS to make the multiple ESDS roots be _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 10 06:13:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C073A68BA; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:13:40 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A693A68BA for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:13:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.900, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oFRRUpWjJahV for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452A83A68AE for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.33.129] (CPE001b63afe888-CM001adea9c5a6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.236.211.160]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 567492FE9946 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Resent-To: IETF DNS Directorate From: Andrew Sullivan To: Peter Koch In-Reply-To: <20081104185924.GC4018@x27.adm.denic.de> Resent-From: Andrew Sullivan References: <20081104185924.GC4018@x27.adm.denic.de> Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:13:35 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:12:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-Id: <20081110141335.567492FE9946@mail.yitter.info> Subject: Re: [dns-dir] 2008-11-03 conf call draft minutes X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Dear colleagues, On 4-Nov-08, at 1:59 PM, Peter Koch wrote: > Dear DNS Directorate Members, > > find below the draft minutes of yesterday's conf call with an action > item > on $all for the v4/v6 co-existence and the scheduling attempt for the > working session in Minneapolis. My deepest apologies for missing the meeting. I was taking a vacation (well, ok, doing home renos) last week, and plain forgot about it. Thanks for the complete minutes. Marcelo and I were attempting to set up meetings in Minneapolis to discuss the DNS64 draft, but we've been unable to schedule anything before dnsext so far. Nevertheless, we are actively seeking review and remarks, so please feel free to send us clues. Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sat Nov 15 19:34:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097553A69F4; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:34:19 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846083A69F4 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:34:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wf3845b7qyou for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:34:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B913A69DD for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:34:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1L1YOp-0004y0-Vb; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:34:12 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1L1YMm-0006qV-8a; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:32:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:32:04 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20081116033204.GA26158@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: [dns-dir] Scheduling Monday Lunch Meeting X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Dear fellow directorate members, there's a doodle poll for Monday's lunch meeting. If you plan to attend, please choose one or both of the options "inside" or "outside" the hotel. If you can't make it at all, please let us know, as well. Best regards, Peter _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sat Nov 15 20:46:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39383A6994; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:07 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99C53A69DD for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.044, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MvfJI00Cu2UU for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E823A69A9 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:05 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,613,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="195566412" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 04:46:05 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAG4k56E027803 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:05 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAG4k5Se017537 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:46:05 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:04 -0800 Received: from Townsley-MacBook.local ([10.21.120.247]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:03 -0800 Message-ID: <491F6355.70506@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:03:33 +0100 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF DNS Directorate X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 04:46:04.0423 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B71D970:01C947A6] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=142; t=1226810765; x=1227674765; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=townsley@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Townsley=20 |Subject:=20DNS=20BL/WL=20Discussion |Sender:=20; bh=jozsXoZl9JUp+L1BDL6wpx7OWMbKmKRGt5KirTprKaE=; b=rtNCQVWbsyxL3Qw7RFctXJMyoXaD7vYMpXgXuizMRB9v7sRQ5FTyW3j3x2 f6wZVk0XFJOo50/UKjXeC/pDWyLVdNii0rmYXd/hl0jwq1caEhySonlKrgBC K52UrOJ4QN; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=townsley@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Subject: [dns-dir] DNS BL/WL Discussion X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Would someone please give me a backgrounder and summary of the enormous list discussion that has erupted over this? Thanks, - Mark _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sat Nov 15 20:46:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4503A6994; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:27 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3432F3A6994 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.555 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.555 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.044, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GR1BiyfhnmAo for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54D43A68ED for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:25 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,613,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="53015191" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 04:46:26 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAG4kPZW014282; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:25 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAG4kPaO022007; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:46:25 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:25 -0800 Received: from Townsley-MacBook.local ([10.21.120.247]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:46:23 -0800 Message-ID: <491F637A.4000401@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 01:04:10 +0100 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Koch X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 04:46:24.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[47B383A0:01C947A6] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2; t=1226810785; x=1227674785; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=townsley@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Townsley=20 |Subject:=20Is=20there=20a=20dns=20directorate=20meeting=20 this=20week? |Sender:=20; bh=frcCV1k9oG9oKj3dpUqdJg1PxRT2RSN/XKdLCPjaYaY=; b=oqmfJKvNW/bH/jvspLBvqZawwOSvC8f/XY8tQIJskSU/hnxcB5PdoWZ+I3 a3C14MXmVIzg+7PYkCBWd98iJHCbwagitUlglgMASihYqTCeWsO/oEm0UZcn CpyQluQIhR; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=townsley@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: [dns-dir] Is there a dns directorate meeting this week? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 03:45:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8BA3A6A45; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:45:42 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC963A67F9 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:45:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gzbUIK1am3Kp for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:45:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC7B3A67A4 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7823F198704; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:45:38 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0851986CD; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:45:37 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <492007D6.4090900@piuha.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:45:26 -0600 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "W. Mark Townsley" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Is there a dns directorate meeting this week? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org I have a conflict, the IANA lunch -- but please have an interesting discussion anyway and send notes to the list! (By the way, when researching the topic of the subject line, it came to my attention that I had been unsubscribed from the dns-dir list since about two months ago (back when I got unsubscribed from every IETF list), and did not notice until now. Jari _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 05:55:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC713A688B; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:55:59 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9E13A688B for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:55:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id epvEVjMetmwq for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C114D3A681D for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:55:56 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,613,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="25784372" Received: from ams-dkim-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.138]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 13:55:55 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAGDttqG002161 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:55:55 +0100 Received: from xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-331.cisco.com [144.254.231.71]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAGDttqw014727 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:55:55 GMT Received: from xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com ([144.254.231.72]) by xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:55:55 +0100 Received: from [172.28.172.77] ([10.61.101.226]) by xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:55:54 +0100 Message-Id: <15CFD3D4-39ED-4F99-946B-584DE398EBEF@cisco.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: Mark Townsley In-Reply-To: <491F6355.70506@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:55:34 -0600 References: <491F6355.70506@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 13:55:55.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B61E5C0:01C947F3] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=486; t=1226843755; x=1227707755; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paf@cisco.com; z=From:=20=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=3DE4ltstr=3DF6m?=3D=20

|Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20DNS=20BL/WL=20Discussion |Sender:=20; bh=gTz32JL7NqJe1BZ3huPyWmiwkD/r67LYQcfyn5qSiRI=; b=S9YJl/pbxFv7wAuUpf/CWyIWR8KQqk3d2XwHjf3W+w4m+6Xwy7LgJjjMRY USIbu2k0EC47xZ4CTe91DMAl9C6/QZb80YSpow0arkkoaqPWRV3jV01rwaqA rFZaYQ6cqZ; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=paf@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS BL/WL Discussion X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On 15 nov 2008, at 18.03, Mark Townsley wrote: > Would someone please give me a backgrounder and summary of the > enormous list discussion that has erupted over this? I can help. I have sort of followed the discussion. I think the 30.000 feet level discussion is about whether one should use BL/WL at all, why the ones running lists are good/bad guys etc. But, there is some meat in there, and I promise to have a summary to you later today (Sunday) Patrik _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 05:56:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2893A681D; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:56:47 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5592C3A681D for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:56:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l6kyI1EVpdZ1 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C32B3A67F9 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:56:45 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,613,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="25784388" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 13:56:43 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAGDuhtG001129; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:56:43 +0100 Received: from xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-331.cisco.com [144.254.231.71]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAGDuh1f014806; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:56:43 GMT Received: from xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com ([144.254.231.72]) by xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:56:43 +0100 Received: from [172.28.172.77] ([10.61.101.226]) by xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:56:42 +0100 Message-Id: <5B71DC94-70B1-4E4C-B09E-B9D12EF3ECEB@cisco.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: <492007D6.4090900@piuha.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:56:39 -0600 References: <492007D6.4090900@piuha.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 13:56:43.0020 (UTC) FILETIME=[27FBACC0:01C947F3] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=484; t=1226843803; x=1227707803; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paf@cisco.com; z=From:=20=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=3DE4ltstr=3DF6m?=3D=20

|Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20Is=20there=20a=20dns=20dire ctorate=20meeting=20this=20week? |Sender:=20; bh=T56tukbfykFnhMKQ83jEAcu9NMnpr5vlmBeboJl7J/8=; b=odXUTEQ//tDrS2Gl2nSfVc6lM9K7yFgEeoyHIGa8USIJN5SOIvYFjTFRMX uc5IcH7r2lR9yi6OOZ/g+YnsI3+TVBLXtyl9qRV2E5ZIZ4G1IgChtU/57Q3a Pi2Jgbd37Z; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paf@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Is there a dns directorate meeting this week? X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On 16 nov 2008, at 05.45, Jari Arkko wrote: > I have a conflict, the IANA lunch -- but please have an interesting > discussion anyway and send notes to the list! > > (By the way, when researching the topic of the subject line, it came > to my attention that I had been unsubscribed from the dns-dir list > since about two months ago (back when I got unsubscribed from every > IETF list), and did not notice until now. So you missed us that much? ;-) paf _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 06:00:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE49A3A6A7B; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:00:38 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37323A6A7B for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:00:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.022, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oZKdoY0QjYSA for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:00:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B4F3A686A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:00:37 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,613,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="105498947" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 14:00:37 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAGE0bKW023974; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:00:37 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAGE0b1Z005952; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:00:37 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:00:36 -0800 Received: from Townsley-MacBook.local ([10.21.92.213]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:00:35 -0800 Message-ID: <4920277D.4060807@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:00:29 -0600 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Koch References: <20081116033204.GA26158@x27.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20081116033204.GA26158@x27.adm.denic.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 14:00:36.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[B33F60B0:01C947F3] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=581; t=1226844037; x=1227708037; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=townsley@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Townsley=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20Scheduling=20Monday=20Lunch =20Meeting |Sender:=20; bh=LBRIiFotGxaBBIwAa/UjkpVxA05Zp0cI/8F1OZihCXY=; b=QUflWlJ/RuIyPODLSiagXdrZK/5FMsGYqmSHiz9D8N2dIZ+tCJbsK6MUlV 9ZCP6+crM43M3Bp0RpfywsP9SV7+ujIbGxzX4zINhtQUPpzZastUYgyh6+U9 5AnxvsuSs1; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=townsley@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Cc: DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Scheduling Monday Lunch Meeting X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Do you want me to try and get you a catered meeting room like last time? Peter Koch wrote: > Dear fellow directorate members, > > there's a doodle poll for Monday's > lunch meeting. If you plan to attend, please choose one or both of > the options "inside" or "outside" the hotel. If you can't make it at all, > please let us know, as well. > > Best regards, > Peter > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > > _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 06:02:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060973A689B; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:02:32 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499153A689B for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:02:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8A8lKuuDu1hm for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:02:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA2E3A681D for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:02:29 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,613,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="25784539" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 14:02:28 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAGE2S43001898; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:02:28 +0100 Received: from xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-331.cisco.com [144.254.231.71]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAGE2S1o015360; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:02:28 GMT Received: from xfe-ams-332.cisco.com ([144.254.231.73]) by xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:02:28 +0100 Received: from [172.28.172.77] ([10.61.101.226]) by xfe-ams-332.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:02:27 +0100 Message-Id: <8C113BA3-6EA7-4F70-8D75-15A5EBB62C5D@cisco.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: Mark Townsley In-Reply-To: <4920277D.4060807@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:02:21 -0600 References: <20081116033204.GA26158@x27.adm.denic.de> <4920277D.4060807@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 14:02:27.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[F55B5BC0:01C947F3] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1066; t=1226844148; x=1227708148; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paf@cisco.com; z=From:=20=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=3DE4ltstr=3DF6m?=3D=20

|Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20Scheduling=20Monday=20Lunch =20Meeting |Sender:=20; bh=Tn2Mweui7aKYJHJLL9tXlRZoX0YJGLzJ+hRHq39SiFA=; b=WgfO5V0RvJH1VHLj09CrMnEOGgOaIXRWpycH2JrtZVZEbXdkC6oEpq2LcW AHHOrKqQuGfP8f3yE+NOU7wusFK4T7T8CVVGTCUXugx5EDfIotb6Fpa8IMA8 yGNfF0i1Gn; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=paf@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: Peter Koch , DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Scheduling Monday Lunch Meeting X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Would work perfectly for me. I like being able to actually *talk* and not be in a busy normal lunch restaurant. That said, I said "outside hotel" was ok as well on the doodle, as I do not want to be a showstopper for a meeting. Patrik On 16 nov 2008, at 08.00, Mark Townsley wrote: > > Do you want me to try and get you a catered meeting room like last > time? > > Peter Koch wrote: >> Dear fellow directorate members, >> >> there's a doodle poll for >> Monday's >> lunch meeting. If you plan to attend, please choose one or both of >> the options "inside" or "outside" the hotel. If you can't make it >> at all, >> please let us know, as well. >> >> Best regards, >> Peter >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 06:09:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DD13A681D; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:09:59 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAF43A681D for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:09:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.433 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.433 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.133, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6EVr4yFIZFPW for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F0B3A67F9 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:09:55 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,613,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="195687664" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 14:09:55 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAGE9r8m008781; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:09:53 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAGE9rwc008471; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:09:53 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:09:51 -0800 Received: from Townsley-MacBook.local ([10.21.92.213]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:09:50 -0800 Message-ID: <492029AB.1060502@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:09:47 -0600 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= References: <20081116033204.GA26158@x27.adm.denic.de> <4920277D.4060807@cisco.com> <8C113BA3-6EA7-4F70-8D75-15A5EBB62C5D@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <8C113BA3-6EA7-4F70-8D75-15A5EBB62C5D@cisco.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 14:09:51.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDD58130:01C947F4] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1202; t=1226844593; x=1227708593; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=townsley@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Townsley=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20Scheduling=20Monday=20Lunch =20Meeting |Sender:=20; bh=y5LjALMKI+sSN3bvbEYZKenFhztkE80u0+iTwD3V3vY=; b=MsTaiurJ/gkl3bxq6T3Xmhq3minERmsjd7s96pt76NwvocAO9Ep2SYaFbe zRNhu1Vq7rfwdpif5G5jY/py84ACyD+y/SQPUkMTNQiGHBFQ3CDaOsx9dBb5 2BSudBE6t7; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=townsley@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Cc: Peter Koch , DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Scheduling Monday Lunch Meeting X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Please fill the doodle in any case so i know how many to cater for. Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: > Would work perfectly for me. > > I like being able to actually *talk* and not be in a busy normal lunch = > restaurant. That said, I said "outside hotel" was ok as well on the = > doodle, as I do not want to be a showstopper for a meeting. > > Patrik > > On 16 nov 2008, at 08.00, Mark Townsley wrote: > >> >> Do you want me to try and get you a catered meeting room like last time? >> >> Peter Koch wrote: >>> Dear fellow directorate members, >>> >>> there's a doodle poll for = >>> Monday's >>> lunch meeting. If you plan to attend, please choose one or both of >>> the options "inside" or "outside" the hotel. If you can't make it = >>> at all, >>> please let us know, as well. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Peter >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dns-dir mailing list >>> dns-dir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > > _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 08:01:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADE03A6783; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:01:31 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3761B3A6783 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:01:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.568 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.568 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.031, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kqos5UpOPEUc for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD9C3A6774 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:01:30 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,614,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="195707959" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 16:01:30 +0000 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAGG1Uhv024078 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:01:30 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAGG1UCu000082 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:01:30 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:01:29 -0800 Received: from Townsley-MacBook.local ([10.21.79.136]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:01:28 -0800 Message-ID: <492043D0.60406@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:01:20 -0600 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF DNS Directorate X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 16:01:29.0747 (UTC) FILETIME=[966B8E30:01C94804] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=975; t=1226851290; x=1227715290; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=townsley@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Townsley=20 |Subject:=20[Fwd=3A=20Re=3A=20Lunch/room=20for=20the=20dns- directorate=20Monday=20afternoon] |Sender:=20; bh=1vMsRdOm7sfAU2mZKG2DZoGwzpZPTfACAcr/N2idCNE=; b=oBd74dzdSTltCZz0c4rc4I6YLoiNJ1lfLJC8ebANTC4B3h3fCly06n3SpJ NJMrS0QWDtW8zuRaM5hKF8yHThqVisfIr+a5FCWHpqwz7eRcyLq+pSDyJC87 w1snzJKj0y; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=townsley@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Subject: [dns-dir] [Fwd: Re: Lunch/room for the dns-directorate Monday afternoon] X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org We have Symphony I on Monday Please doodle for an accurate count of attendees. I'll try and get Cisco to pick up the tab for lunch, but don't want to overpay or waste food. I'm assuming one for vegetarian (Rob)? - Mark -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Lumch/room for the dns-directorate Monday afternoon Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:33:25 -0600 From: Marcia Beaulieu To: Mark Townsley CC: Ray Pelletier , Alexa Morris , Russ Housley , Jennifer Podsiadly References: <1388652219-1226845398-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2046136426-@bxe133.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <49202DFB.1000601@cisco.com> Mark, You can use Symphony I for this lunch meeting (1130-1300). I am copying Jennifer Podsiadly in on this message, she will be able to help arrange your lunch. Marcia _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 10:42:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9B43A6A84; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:42:05 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317C83A6A9D for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:42:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.575 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.575 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jlcxwMy13hwK for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3A03A6A84 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:41:56 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,614,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="24878787" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 18:41:56 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAGIftKr010611; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:41:55 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAGIftJM021910; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:41:55 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:41:55 -0800 Received: from Townsley-MacBook.local ([10.21.144.88]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:41:54 -0800 Message-ID: <49206970.3040406@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:41:52 -0600 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Koch , DNS Directorate References: <20081116033204.GA26158@x27.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20081116033204.GA26158@x27.adm.denic.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 18:41:55.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF890850:01C9481A] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=675; t=1226860915; x=1227724915; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=townsley@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Townsley=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20Scheduling=20Monday=20Lunch =20Meeting |Sender:=20; bh=K7ZHIsABo4iV8kEjzDQj7mBai8wnA2tf2PV6plJkew4=; b=OuH8HawSpubACNPfh5e/wQYmt0scd9LLEgx1eYHPMoz0BAhk02gDIsZfMP CfT5WZuvv9buf+0kAnEi1aza97vgmNXI9/eqJgBEmLKNRO910U2cIcySa0cO f5Ic/PBVVu; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=townsley@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Scheduling Monday Lunch Meeting X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Right now there are only 5 signed up for the monday dns-dir meeting. Is that really accurate? I'm trying to do a sizing for food and need to know ASAP. - Mark Peter Koch wrote: > Dear fellow directorate members, > > there's a doodle poll for Monday's > lunch meeting. If you plan to attend, please choose one or both of > the options "inside" or "outside" the hotel. If you can't make it at all, > please let us know, as well. > > Best regards, > Peter > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > > _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 10:47:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D1D28C0EB; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:47:31 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DAC3A6AA4 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:47:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tn31Xy-qXn5F for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com (nj300815-nj-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.12.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4431B3A6AA6 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:47:29 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,614,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="142265500" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 13:47:27 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.10]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 13:47:26 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:47:24 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49206970.3040406@cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [dns-dir] Scheduling Monday Lunch Meeting Thread-Index: AclIGwfMrJS9WJ62ReijoZ3GXJ8/9AAAJyew References: <20081116033204.GA26158@x27.adm.denic.de> <49206970.3040406@cisco.com> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Mark Townsley" , "Peter Koch" , "DNS Directorate" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Scheduling Monday Lunch Meeting X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org We have OPS-DIR scheduled in the same time slot. Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Townsley > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:42 PM > To: Peter Koch; DNS Directorate > Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Scheduling Monday Lunch Meeting > > > Right now there are only 5 signed up for the monday dns-dir > meeting. Is that really accurate? > > I'm trying to do a sizing for food and need to know ASAP. > > - Mark > > Peter Koch wrote: > > Dear fellow directorate members, > > > > there's a doodle poll for > > Monday's lunch meeting. If you plan to attend, please > choose one or > > both of the options "inside" or "outside" the hotel. If you can't > > make it at all, please let us know, as well. > > > > Best regards, > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > > dns-dir mailing list > > dns-dir@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 13:32:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB883A68BA; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:32:03 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15C83A68BA for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:32:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.022, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JlyvjBXz3Yl7 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:32:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD693A67AA for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:32:00 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,615,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="195781465" Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 21:32:00 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAGLW0En026692; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:32:00 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAGLW0GY011731; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:32:00 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:31:58 -0800 Received: from Townsley-MacBook.local ([10.21.115.228]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:31:58 -0800 Message-ID: <4920914B.3000000@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:31:55 -0600 From: Mark Townsley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Koch , DNS Directorate References: <20081116033204.GA26158@x27.adm.denic.de> <49206970.3040406@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <49206970.3040406@cisco.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 21:31:58.0095 (UTC) FILETIME=[C10959F0:01C94832] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1056; t=1226871120; x=1227735120; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=townsley@cisco.com; z=From:=20Mark=20Townsley=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20Scheduling=20Monday=20Lunch =20Meeting |Sender:=20; bh=E5n89y1ccMPtK/oGE8lgjTXnc9ebdn3DaxR8ayXotjs=; b=fTW3R8bT8OONALKWbtRSgj+vYBm8J5G9EL9YMmxwsodljSwu8w5prmptj6 hHBqu5PoCvb81fvmHbLkJKSIGqhKfKSi7NNzMsQlTSxfIt+twr11I5AJm88u LOyZZWSZ7Q; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=townsley@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Scheduling Monday Lunch Meeting X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org I've gone ahead and ordered pizza for the meeting. One cheese, two meat. That should easily feed 6 of us, but we could still squeeze in a couple more. - Mark Mark Townsley wrote: > > Right now there are only 5 signed up for the monday dns-dir meeting. > Is that really accurate? > > I'm trying to do a sizing for food and need to know ASAP. > > - Mark > > Peter Koch wrote: >> Dear fellow directorate members, >> >> there's a doodle poll for >> Monday's >> lunch meeting. If you plan to attend, please choose one or both of >> the options "inside" or "outside" the hotel. If you can't make it at >> all, >> please let us know, as well. >> >> Best regards, >> Peter >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 14:02:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B93B3A69A6; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:02:29 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781513A69A6 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:02:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j4BRTpz-gKZc for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:02:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563BE3A6983 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:02:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1L1phG-0004iA-MB; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:02:22 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1L1pfC-0000MB-Ix; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:00:14 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:00:14 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: Mark Townsley Message-ID: <20081116220014.GA31937@x27.adm.denic.de> References: <491F6355.70506@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <491F6355.70506@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS BL/WL Discussion X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mark, > Would someone please give me a backgrounder and summary of the enormous > list discussion that has erupted over this? here's my summary: There are two drafts in the IRTF ASRG: - "DNS Blacklists and Whitelists" - "Guidelines for Management of DNSBLs for Email" We've had them on our radar screen in Dublin. Unfortunately the efforts to get a DNS Dir review organized before Lisa Last Called the first document got stalled. This is something we need to work on. The discussion, except for the unavoidable religious anti-spam debates, has these issues in my perception: o Whether DNS blacklists should be used, are well maintained etc. Nothing of this is actually covered in the draft in question, part of it is in the "BCP" companion document. o Whether IRTF RGs should develop Standards Track and/or BCP documents This is an interesting meta issue that we already noted; makes little difference since the draft was Last Called as an individual submission, but the "group consensus" behind the draft now makes an interesting argument. We've seen a similar failure mode and bad precedent with the RFC2821/22 update. o Should the DNSBL document be PS vs Informational under the process argument or content wise? o Issues with the specification or the draft itself. Andrew and Olafur have written the most concise contribution, although I quite frankly don't really agree. The DNSBL spec clearly sets the "resolution context" and I doubt there's a danger of confusion between the overlay semantics of the A RR and a host address. That said, this overlay issue sould IMHO suggest to document RBLs in an Informational draft rather than standardizing the current practice. The arguments of A having different meaning in the same zone are bogus again, sicne a zone is an artificial and indeed invisible to the application boundary. The spec makes pretty clear when which sematics should be applied. Again, I'd not endorse this, but demanding DNSBLs change their use of A RRs to a new RR type, doesn't sound promising to me. This issue, however, needs to be discussed in the draft. Apart from the serious meta issues, the draft could go as Informational after having reveived serious DNS review and maybe another edit, IMHO. -Peter _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 16:30:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C043A67AA; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:30:07 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7D63A67AA for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:30:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jfsP7G2oLKce for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.kahlerlarson.org (tornado.kahlerlarson.org [64.22.125.99]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C103A6405 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:30:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from dul1mcmlarson-l1.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kahlerlarson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DEE37E24; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:30:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:29:53 -0500 From: Matt Larson To: Mark Townsley Message-ID: <20081117002953.GA3397@dul1mcmlarson-l1.local> References: <20081116033204.GA26158@x27.adm.denic.de> <49206970.3040406@cisco.com> <4920914B.3000000@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4920914B.3000000@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Peter Koch , DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Scheduling Monday Lunch Meeting X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Sun, 16 Nov 2008, Mark Townsley wrote: > I've gone ahead and ordered pizza for the meeting. One cheese, two meat. > That should easily feed 6 of us, but we could still squeeze in a couple > more. I just doodled yes; sorry for not responding sooner. Maybe add another cheese? Matt (not a vegetarian, but tries to limit meat intake) _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 17:13:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9B33A6405; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:13:29 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965593A6405 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:13:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S9wx4APk6uTF for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.schlyter.se (trinitario.schlyter.se [195.47.254.10]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A683A6358 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.28.172.201] (unknown [12.104.246.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: roy) by mail.schlyter.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C55362D4D6; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:13:22 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <2CCDBB6B-EB82-415F-B196-97E19A31FF67@dnss.ec> From: Roy Arends To: Mark Townsley In-Reply-To: <4920914B.3000000@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:12:52 +0100 References: <20081116033204.GA26158@x27.adm.denic.de> <49206970.3040406@cisco.com> <4920914B.3000000@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: Peter Koch , DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Scheduling Monday Lunch Meeting X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 16, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Mark Townsley wrote: > I've gone ahead and ordered pizza for the meeting. One cheese, two > meat. That should easily feed 6 of us, but we could still squeeze in > a couple more. Just arrived & signed up. Thanks Roy _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 16 19:54:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BED3A681C; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:54:03 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E6D3A683F for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:54:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HyKzlF1g1Y7a for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1A03A681C for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from crankycanuck.ca (unknown [130.129.78.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 265ED2FE9555 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:53:56 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20081117035356.GC92900@shinkuro.com> References: <491F6355.70506@cisco.com> <20081116220014.GA31937@x27.adm.denic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081116220014.GA31937@x27.adm.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS BL/WL Discussion X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:00:14PM +0100, Peter Koch wrote: > o Issues with the specification or the draft itself. Andrew and Olafur > have written the most concise contribution, although I quite frankly > don't really agree. The DNSBL spec clearly sets the "resolution context" > and I doubt there's a danger of confusion between the overlay semantics > of the A RR and a host address. That said, this overlay issue sould IMHO > suggest to document RBLs in an Informational draft rather than standardizing > the current practice. We actually suggested that it be informational. We did suggest an addition (which is apparently being considered). What is important to me is that this not go on the standards track. > The arguments of A having different meaning in the same zone are bogus > again, sicne a zone is an artificial and indeed invisible to the application > boundary. The spec makes pretty clear when which sematics should be > applied. Again, I'd not endorse this, but demanding DNSBLs change their > use of A RRs to a new RR type, doesn't sound promising to me. > This issue, however, needs to be discussed in the draft. The application is a nifty hack, and I think only a fool would imagine that the installed base is going to change anyway. But IMO it's really important not to start standardizing overloading of RRTYPEs. As Ted Hardie pointed out on-list, people will use selected RFCs as their jurisprudential base on which to construct new (ab)uses of the DNS. Overloading RRTYPEs seems to me to be an incredibly bad idea, especially when we're not at any risk of running out of the datatypes any time soon. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 17 05:25:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F963A692F; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:25:44 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3295E3A693B for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:25:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gnXU7tXPCFsW for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:25:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from e36.co.us.ibm.com (e36.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.154]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DE23A692F for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:25:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.227]) by e36.co.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAHDP113002148 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:25:01 -0700 Received: from d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.168]) by d03relay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id mAHDPbtH158394 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:25:37 -0700 Received: from d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id mAHDPb02017883 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:25:37 -0700 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-216-164.mts.ibm.com [9.65.216.164]) by d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAHDPZSp017765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:25:37 -0700 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.2/8.12.5) with ESMTP id mAHDPVN3004712; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:25:32 -0500 Message-Id: <200811171325.mAHDPVN3004712@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: Andrew Sullivan In-reply-to: <20081117035356.GC92900@shinkuro.com> References: <491F6355.70506@cisco.com> <20081116220014.GA31937@x27.adm.denic.de> <20081117035356.GC92900@shinkuro.com> Comments: In-reply-to Andrew Sullivan message dated "Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:53:56 -0500." Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:25:31 -0500 From: Thomas Narten Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS BL/WL Discussion X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org > Overloading RRTYPEs seems to me to be an incredibly bad idea, > especially when we're not at any risk of running out of the datatypes > any time soon. Yes, it's a bad idea. What else is new? How many times over the last ten years have we moaned and whined about this, with the end result pretty much always the same ("txt rules"!)? If we are going to do realistically push back on this sort of abuse, perhaps we should revisit the real (and perceived) obstacles to doing the Right Thing (e.g., defining a new RR) and show folk a better path. Isn't this lack of (or perceived lack of) a better path the real uderlying problem? Thomas _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 17 06:54:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175E33A6876; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:54:00 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664F93A6876 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:53:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vy5Qrtroq941 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B583A67F4 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:53:57 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,618,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="105884102" Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2008 14:53:57 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAHErvNv025221 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:53:57 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAHErv4D024251 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:53:57 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:53:56 -0800 Received: from [130.129.111.248] ([10.21.121.236]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:53:56 -0800 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: DNS Directorate Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:53:53 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2008 14:53:56.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[50D38880:01C948C4] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=4284; t=1226933637; x=1227797637; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paf@cisco.com; z=From:=20=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=3DE4ltstr=3DF6m?=3D=20

|Subject:=20draft-irtf-asrg-dnsbl-07.txt |Sender:=20; bh=yuxl0wEH18JbXP+jygYJPFe152C7aNIgSdV2E6jRhv8=; b=F0u3HQdo+oQPE6AFn+98DWXJbwtm9XBzX6oqk2JkCQNMNqAilyn19j6AVM umdNTusFh4aC08aTDs5JKu5TjI6e7Vnf23Ck03kl4Hn73YkNZkFME6oECPZY M/m4jVQqPtoos20mPOnzznjI0jMiFAEvHIKgV14W62gV+idAsC62E=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=paf@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); Subject: [dns-dir] draft-irtf-asrg-dnsbl-07.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org There was a last call issued on an IRTF document: > The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to > consider > the following document: > > - 'DNS Blacklists and Whitelists ' > as a Proposed Standard > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits > final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to > the > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2008-12-02. Exceptionally, > comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please > retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. And the discussion started... The largest part still seems to be whether it is correct to ask questions at this stage in the process. Dave Crocker writes specifically: > Last Call gives the community a chance to actively put forward > concerns, not to passively wait and require a detailed exposition by > the working group. You note that you were not a participant. Yet > that is exactly how someone who is concerned about the detailed > history is supposed to obtain information about the detailed process > (and affect its outcome.) The derail is due to views like these (Keith Moore this time): > Under no circumstances should any kind of Blacklists or Whitelists be > accepted by IETF as standards-track documents. These lists are > responsible for huge numbers of illegitimate delivery failures. We > should no more be standardizing such lists than to be standardizing > spam. Ned Freed says: > Such a criticism might be a sensible response to a document that > defines an > actual whitelisting or blacklisting service. But that's not what > this document > does. Rather, this document defines vaarious formats for storing such > information in the DNS and procedures for querying that data. > Specification of > actual services based on these formats and procedures is left for > later > specifications. > > Standardizing these formats and procedures is important for at least > two > reasons: (1) Without a specification nailing down these details > there can be > (and in practice have been) interoperability problems between various > implementations and (2) Without something describing how to > structure and > operate these systems they can, independent of the actual list > content, create > serious operational problems. The discussion then seems to have diverged again into a few different tracks: - Whether PS is the right track? - Whether IETF should/can discuss repudiation systems in general? - Whether repudiation systems for email is a good thing or not? And then of course: - Does this document technically make sense technically? - Can anyone in a last call of an IRTF document object? Now, if I read the draft myself, the draft describe the very simple ways they use the DNS to store information about white/black lists for IP addresses (ipv4 and ipv6) and domain names. They use A and TXT records, and the root in the DNS namespace under which the domain names are located is decided by the host of the black/white list. Example, if 192.0.2.99 is blacklisted at example.com, and the root of the blacklist is bad.example.com, the following entries exists in DNS: 99.2.0.192.bad.example.com. A 127.0.0.2 99.2.0.192.bad.example.com TXT "Dynamic address, see http://bad.example.com?192.0.2.99 " The IP address in the A record is not really an IP address but a 32 bit field that is to be interpreted in a certain way so that "chaining" of such records are possible. The TXT record include information to a user that can be used for example in the message in the SMTP conversation. The use of an A record that way is, well, not nice. Think of what happens when you have services like Sitefinder and similar that does not result in NXDOMAIN and similar. Phew...overloading stuff in the DNS on the DNS datatypes is not fun. I do not like that, but you know that. The document should imho definitely not be PS. Informational, but not PS. The solution is not fun. Why can not people do the right thing? Which in this case would be to define a new RRType. Patrik _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 17 09:18:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CFD3A68B9; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:18:36 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A916B3A68B9 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:18:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.400, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0iVIFSALizr0 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E053A677C for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:18:34 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,619,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="196272453" Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2008 17:18:34 +0000 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (sj-core-3.cisco.com [171.68.223.137]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mAHHIYCX024873 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:18:34 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAHHIYTM006434 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:18:34 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:18:34 -0800 Received: from [130.129.31.186] ([10.21.151.218]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:18:33 -0800 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: Mark Townsley In-Reply-To: <490FE7C7.7070709@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:18:30 -0600 References: <490FE7C7.7070709@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2008 17:18:34.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[852CEEA0:01C948D8] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1000; t=1226942314; x=1227806314; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=paf@cisco.com; z=From:=20=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=3DE4ltstr=3DF6m?=3D=20

|Subject:=20Re=3A=20[dns-dir]=20Dynamic=20DNS=20Updates=20w ith=20Leases |Sender:=20; bh=m3IOKw2nzoEjMk5HV3UhjL1JgRi1cjMmITQmawH9UxI=; b=ps1UpkaEnBgZx/3pVqhObf0jO1NDLkPmWCXiDLqZbD10SBO/K649c2+z/9 Dfkmrd8MR6rHlfVMyOGmtQ30FuW/a2ayDpWHnEGNuph2FSvk+RZrqzYByaWY gFm1gAKBznFbZOZugMXeRwh8PCx3kEUc3Y27FTGkXlsjt8uvCsOgQ=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=paf@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Dynamic DNS Updates with Leases X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On 4 nov 2008, at 00.12, Mark Townsley wrote: > As you may know, I am shepherding the set of Bonjour specifications > - mostly as informational documents to describe what has been > implemented by Apple and others. We picked out one of the documents > for PS (the address collision detection document), and I am > considering this one as well (it's a really short document): > > http://files.dns-sd.org/draft-sekar-dns-ul.txt > > This document essentially adds a "lease time" to a dynamic dns > update. It is an important feature for Bonjour, but is generally > applicable - and something that I believe has been brought up before > in dnsext. I have a couple of questions (1) Is this generally > applicable in a non-Bonjour environment, and (2) is this something > we should publish on the standards track within dnsext? I had a look at this, and thought a bit on this, and I think the answer is "yes". It would be a good thing to have this. Patrik _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 17 09:37:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452613A699A; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:37:22 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182CC3A699A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:37:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fTWIezyJnPZz for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.schlyter.se (trinitario.schlyter.se [195.47.254.10]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BD33A67D2 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.129.95.118] (unknown [130.129.95.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: roy) by mail.schlyter.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B01572DC1D for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:31:14 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <91E335BC-7924-4A72-9DB2-F4925A52EE1D@dnss.ec> From: Roy Arends To: IETF DNS Directorate In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:31:10 -0600 References: <490FE7C7.7070709@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: [dns-dir] Can't make it today X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org I'm not able to join the DNS-DIR lunch/meeting today unfortunately. I'm in another meeting that takes more time than I realized. Regards, Roy _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 17 10:01:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAA23A6A03; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:01:01 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1F93A692D for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:01:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yfmd5LkPdC9j for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.schlyter.se (trinitario.schlyter.se [195.47.254.10]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E7528C16A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.129.95.118] (unknown [130.129.95.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: roy) by mail.schlyter.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EDEB72DCC0 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:00:47 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: From: Roy Arends To: IETF DNS Directorate In-Reply-To: <91E335BC-7924-4A72-9DB2-F4925A52EE1D@dnss.ec> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:00:45 -0600 References: <490FE7C7.7070709@cisco.com> <91E335BC-7924-4A72-9DB2-F4925A52EE1D@dnss.ec> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Can't make it today X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Nov 17, 2008, at 11:31 AM, Roy Arends wrote: > I'm not able to join the DNS-DIR lunch/meeting today unfortunately. > I'm in another meeting that takes more time than I realized. So I made it after all. Roy _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 17 11:29:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675F53A6A01; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:29:04 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2FD3A6986 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:29:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.317, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j5FuCGvSDFlc for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:29:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from open.nlnetlabs.nl (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4F33A69D8 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.129.30.131] ([130.129.30.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id mAHJSoSu041484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:28:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) Message-Id: <086D25C4-B528-448B-B2F6-7900C5AC74C8@NLnetLabs.nl> From: Olaf Kolkman To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:28:49 -0600 References: <490FE7C7.7070709@cisco.com> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail d54 (v54, Leopard) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:28:52 +0100 (CET) Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Dynamic DNS Updates with Leases X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2113166395==" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============2113166395== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-32--465173405" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-32--465173405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just an observation: This seems to be a trend towards moving to using =20= the DNS as a control plane for other applications (also see Stewards =20 request for the proxy wakeup EDNS option). I have no particular value judgement, because I do not yet oversee the =20= implications. --Olaf On Nov 17, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: > > On 4 nov 2008, at 00.12, Mark Townsley wrote: > >> As you may know, I am shepherding the set of Bonjour specifications =20= >> - mostly as informational documents to describe what has been =20 >> implemented by Apple and others. We picked out one of the documents =20= >> for PS (the address collision detection document), and I am =20 >> considering this one as well (it's a really short document): >> >> http://files.dns-sd.org/draft-sekar-dns-ul.txt >> >> This document essentially adds a "lease time" to a dynamic dns =20 >> update. It is an important feature for Bonjour, but is generally =20 >> applicable - and something that I believe has been brought up =20 >> before in dnsext. I have a couple of questions (1) Is this =20 >> generally applicable in a non-Bonjour environment, and (2) is this =20= >> something we should publish on the standards track within dnsext? > > I had a look at this, and thought a bit on this, and I think the =20 > answer is "yes". It would be a good thing to have this. > > Patrik > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir --Apple-Mail-32--465173405 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. iEYEARECAAYFAkkhxfEACgkQtN/ca3YJIofkAgCgkHYwoGqSPzMPxAbNmDjdBmbT yZkAnRbAYo4kRNqWJF9i+VoVLkzKtsGb =PwnK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-32--465173405-- --===============2113166395== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir --===============2113166395==-- From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 17 12:47:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592443A68A2; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:47:55 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274F83A68A2 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:47:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.526 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.526 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.676, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BnqrQ9o2rIdD for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:47:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03E63A6876 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:47:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from Puki.ogud.com (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAHKltJd077470 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:47:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200811172047.mAHKltJd077470@stora.ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:47:19 -0500 To: IETF DNS Directorate From: Olafur Gudmundsson In-Reply-To: <086D25C4-B528-448B-B2F6-7900C5AC74C8@NLnetLabs.nl> References: <490FE7C7.7070709@cisco.com> <086D25C4-B528-448B-B2F6-7900C5AC74C8@NLnetLabs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Dynamic DNS Updates with Leases X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1833401422==" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org --===============1833401422== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_99474697==.ALT" --=====================_99474697==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There have been number of proposals in the past to include features similar to this in DNS. Some implementors of DNS servers have pushed hard back because this is extra work for them. IMHO that is selfish argument to minimize their work, given this keeps= coming up and we have seen serious "name pollution" in dynamically updated zones this warrants a second look. Disclaimer: because of=20 http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/99mar/I-D/draft-ietf-dnsind-dddd-00.txt I'm biased :-) Olafur At 14:28 17/11/2008, Olaf Kolkman wrote: >Just an observation: This seems to be a trend towards moving to using >the DNS as a control plane for other applications (also see Stewards >request for the proxy wakeup EDNS option). > >I have no particular value judgement, because I do not yet oversee the >implications. > >--Olaf > > >On Nov 17, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: > >> >>On 4 nov 2008, at 00.12, Mark Townsley wrote: >> >>>As you may know, I am shepherding the set of Bonjour specifications >>>- mostly as informational documents to describe what has been >>>implemented by Apple and others. We picked out one of the documents >>>for PS (the address collision detection document), and I am >>>considering this one as well (it's a really short document): >>> >>>http://files.dns-sd.org/draft-sekar-dns-ul.txt >>> >>>This document essentially adds a "lease time" to a dynamic dns >>>update. It is an important feature for Bonjour, but is generally >>>applicable - and something that I believe has been brought up >>>before in dnsext. I have a couple of questions (1) Is this >>>generally applicable in a non-Bonjour environment, and (2) is this >>>something we should publish on the standards track within dnsext? >> >>I had a look at this, and thought a bit on this, and I think the >>answer is "yes". It would be a good thing to have this. >> >> Patrik >> >>_______________________________________________ >>dns-dir mailing list >>dns-dir@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > > > > >_______________________________________________ >dns-dir mailing list >dns-dir@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir --=====================_99474697==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There have been number of proposals in the past to include features similar
to this in DNS. Some implementors of DNS servers have pushed hard back
because this is extra work for them.
IMHO that is selfish argument to minimize their work, given this keeps coming
up and we have seen serious "name pollution" in dynamically updated zones
this warrants a second look.

Disclaimer: because of http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/99mar/I-D/draft-ietf-dnsind-dddd-00.txt
I'm biased :-)

        Olafur

At 14:28 17/11/2008, Olaf Kolkman wrote:

Just an observation: This see= ms to be a trend towards moving to using 
the DNS as a control plane for other applications (also see Stewards 
request for the proxy wakeup EDNS option).

I have no particular value judgement, because I do not yet oversee the 
implications.

--Olaf


On Nov 17, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote:


On 4 nov 2008, at 00.12, Mark Townsley wrote:

As you may know, I am shepherding the set of Bonjour specifications 
- mostly as informational documents to describe what has been 
implemented by Apple and others. We picked out one of the documents 
for PS (the address collision detection document), and I am 
considering this one as well (it's a really short document):

http://files.dns-sd.org/draft-sekar-dns-ul.txt

This document essentially adds a "lease time" to a dynamic dns 
update. It is an important feature for Bonjour, but is generally 
applicable - and something that I believe has been brought up 
before in dnsext. I have a couple of questions (1) Is this 
generally applicable in a non-Bonjour environment, and (2) is this 
something we should publish on the standards track within dnsext?

I had a look at this, and thought a bit on this, and I think the 
answer is "yes". It would be a good thing to have this.

  Patrik

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--=====================_99474697==.ALT-- --===============1833401422== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir --===============1833401422==-- From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 17 17:18:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1408728C1C2; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:18:43 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4E328C1C2 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:18:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V8ekd4ZgyEp7 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC4E28C1C0 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com ([129.146.106.105]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mAI1Ibgn027343; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:18:37 GMT Received: from [10.7.251.248] (punchin-nordmark.SFBay.Sun.COM [10.7.251.248]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAI1IZds109501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:18:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492217EB.3060608@sun.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:18:35 -0800 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081023) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Koch References: <20081116033204.GA26158@x27.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20081116033204.GA26158@x27.adm.denic.de> Cc: DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] Scheduling Monday Lunch Meeting X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Peter Koch wrote: > Dear fellow directorate members, > > there's a doodle poll for Monday's > lunch meeting. If you plan to attend, please choose one or both of > the options "inside" or "outside" the hotel. If you can't make it at all, > please let us know, as well. Between arriving late last night and WG meetings today I didn't see this email until now. Hope you had a good lunch. Erik _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 17 22:41:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8843A67F7; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:41:25 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7F93A67F7 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:41:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j+wvc5ejcDOK for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735D03A67F1 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from crankycanuck.ca (unknown [130.129.78.26]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F4022FE9555; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:41:20 -0600 From: Andrew Sullivan To: Thomas Narten Message-ID: <20081118064120.GD97914@shinkuro.com> References: <491F6355.70506@cisco.com> <20081116220014.GA31937@x27.adm.denic.de> <20081117035356.GC92900@shinkuro.com> <200811171325.mAHDPVN3004712@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200811171325.mAHDPVN3004712@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: dns-dir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-dir] DNS BL/WL Discussion X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 08:25:31AM -0500, Thomas Narten wrote: > > Overloading RRTYPEs seems to me to be an incredibly bad idea, > > especially when we're not at any risk of running out of the datatypes > > any time soon. > > Yes, it's a bad idea. What else is new? > > How many times over the last ten years have we moaned and whined about > this, with the end result pretty much always the same ("txt rules"!)? > > If we are going to do realistically push back on this sort of abuse, > perhaps we should revisit the real (and perceived) obstacles to doing > the Right Thing (e.g., defining a new RR) and show folk a better > path. Isn't this lack of (or perceived lack of) a better path the real > uderlying problem? Three responses: 1. I'm already doing whatever I can to make defining a new RR as painless as possible. It's not perfect, but the "2929bis" approach is already being used. 2. I don't think that's the issue here anyway. What we're really dealing with is a legacy problem. It's the way the world is now, and it needs to be documented. But we need at the same time to say, "Don't do this any more, please, for the love of all that is holy." 3. There remains a persistent problem with certain parts of one widely-deployed operating system, its APIs, and how they work with unknown RRTYPEs. I haven't the foggiest idea what to do about this. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Sat Nov 22 23:19:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36413A67AC; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:19:50 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7237128C0DE for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:35:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP=0.001, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7S7-TR5cgN-g for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv01.frobbit.se (srv01.frobbit.se [85.30.129.39]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23D43A684A for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:35:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43442C9CFD1 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:35:48 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at frobbit.se Received: from srv01.frobbit.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv01.frobbit.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ly98TkXp8Hr3 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:35:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from [130.129.111.248] (unknown [130.129.111.248]) by srv01.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D732C9CFC9 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:35:47 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= To: DNS Directorate Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:35:46 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:19:49 -0800 Subject: [dns-dir] draft-irtf-asrg-dnsbl-07.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org There was a last call issued on an IRTF document: > The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to > consider > the following document: > > - 'DNS Blacklists and Whitelists ' > as a Proposed Standard > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits > final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to > the > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2008-12-02. Exceptionally, > comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please > retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. And the discussion started... The largest part still seems to be whether it is correct to ask questions at this stage in the process. Dave Crocker writes specifically: > Last Call gives the community a chance to actively put forward > concerns, not to passively wait and require a detailed exposition by > the working group. You note that you were not a participant. Yet > that is exactly how someone who is concerned about the detailed > history is supposed to obtain information about the detailed process > (and affect its outcome.) The derail is due to views like these (Keith Moore this time): > Under no circumstances should any kind of Blacklists or Whitelists be > accepted by IETF as standards-track documents. These lists are > responsible for huge numbers of illegitimate delivery failures. We > should no more be standardizing such lists than to be standardizing > spam. Ned Freed says: > Such a criticism might be a sensible response to a document that > defines an > actual whitelisting or blacklisting service. But that's not what > this document > does. Rather, this document defines vaarious formats for storing such > information in the DNS and procedures for querying that data. > Specification of > actual services based on these formats and procedures is left for > later > specifications. > > Standardizing these formats and procedures is important for at least > two > reasons: (1) Without a specification nailing down these details > there can be > (and in practice have been) interoperability problems between various > implementations and (2) Without something describing how to > structure and > operate these systems they can, independent of the actual list > content, create > serious operational problems. The discussion then seems to have diverged again into a few different tracks: - Whether PS is the right track? - Whether IETF should/can discuss repudiation systems in general? - Whether repudiation systems for email is a good thing or not? And then of course: - Does this document technically make sense technically? - Can anyone in a last call of an IRTF document object? Now, if I read the draft myself, the draft describe the very simple ways they use the DNS to store information about white/black lists for IP addresses (ipv4 and ipv6) and domain names. They use A and TXT records, and the root in the DNS namespace under which the domain names are located is decided by the host of the black/white list. Example, if 192.0.2.99 is blacklisted at example.com, and the root of the blacklist is bad.example.com, the following entries exists in DNS: 99.2.0.192.bad.example.com. A 127.0.0.2 99.2.0.192.bad.example.com TXT "Dynamic address, see http://bad.example.com?192.0.2.99 " The IP address in the A record is not really an IP address but a 32 bit field that is to be interpreted in a certain way so that "chaining" of such records are possible. The TXT record include information to a user that can be used for example in the message in the SMTP conversation. The use of an A record that way is, well, not nice. Think of what happens when you have services like Sitefinder and similar that does not result in NXDOMAIN and similar. Phew...overloading stuff in the DNS on the DNS datatypes is not fun. I do not like that, but you know that. The document should imho definitely not be PS. Informational, but not PS. The solution is not fun. Why can not people do the right thing? Which in this case would be to define a new RRType. Patrik _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 27 01:34:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC5528C15A; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:34:24 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3023A6B93; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:34:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.376 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.376 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.223, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0vof5pYlkCBV; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com (nj300815-nj-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.12.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04C93A67E9; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:34:21 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,674,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="143574548" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by nj300815-nj-outbound.avaya.com with ESMTP; 27 Nov 2008 04:34:18 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.10]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 27 Nov 2008 04:34:17 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:34:02 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PRELIMINARY Agenda and Package for December 4, 2008 Telechat Thread-Index: AclQFtLOzJTcw5+VTGSP6jTesF8wLAAW9Kew From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , "MIB Doctors (E-mail)" , "DNS Directorate" , Subject: [dns-dir] FW: PRELIMINARY Agenda and Package for December 4, 2008 Telechat X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Please find below the preliminary agenda of the 12/4 IESG telechat. Please review the documents and send your comments or concerns until Wednesday 12/3, COB the latest. Thanks and Regards, Dan 2.1 WG Submissions 2.1.1 New Item o draft-ietf-nfsv4-minorversion1-26.txt NFS Version 4 Minor Version 1 (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 11 Note: Brian Pawslowski (beepy@netapp.com) is the document shepherd.. Token: Lars Eggert o draft-ietf-nfsv4-pnfs-block-10.txt pNFS Block/Volume Layout (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 11 Token: Lars Eggert o draft-ietf-nfsv4-pnfs-obj-09.txt Object-based pNFS Operations (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 11 Token: Lars Eggert o draft-ietf-sieve-notify-mailto-09.txt Sieve Notification Mechanism: mailto (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 11 Note: Barry Leiba to be the expert reviewer for the registry this creates. Token: Lisa Dusseault o draft-ietf-mip4-dsmipv4-08.txt Dual Stack Mobile IPv4 (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 11 Token: Jari Arkko o draft-cridland-urlfetch-binary-03.txt Extended URLFETCH for binary and converted parts (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 11 Note: Eric Burger is document shepherd. Note this is a lemonade WG document despite the name. Token: Chris Newman o draft-ietf-lemonade-imap-notify-07.txt The IMAP NOTIFY Extension (Proposed Standard) - 7 of 11 Note: Eric Burger is document shepherd Token: Chris Newman o draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-09.txt Measures for making DNS more resilient against forged answers (Proposed Standard) - 8 of 11 Token: Mark Townsley o draft-ietf-monami6-multiplecoa-10.txt Multiple Care-of Addresses Registration (Proposed Standard) - 9 of 11 Token: Jari Arkko o draft-ietf-nfsv4-minorversion1-dot-x-09.txt NFSv4 Minor Version 1 XDR Description (Proposed Standard) - 10 of 11 Note: Brian Pawslowski (beepy@netapp.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Lars Eggert o draft-ietf-6man-reserved-iids-01.txt Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers (Proposed Standard) - 11 of 11 Token: Jari Arkko 2.1.2 Returning Item o draft-ietf-nsis-ntlp-17.txt GIST: General Internet Signalling Transport (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1 Note: RE-evaluate your ABSTAIN positions. All that stays in ABSTAIN please indicate in the comment field that you have performed this re-evaluation and also include some motivation behind your decision. . Token: Magnus Westerlund 2.2 Individual Submissions 2.2.1 New Item o draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis-06.txt IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions (BCP) - 1 of 1 Note: Diff: http://www.arkko.com/ietf/iesg/rfc3932bisdiff.html Token: Jari Arkko 2.2.2 Returning Item NONE 3. Document Actions 3.1 WG Submissions Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a reasonable contribution to the area of Internet engineering which it covers? If not, what changes would make it so?" 3.1.1 New Item NONE 3.1.2 Returning Item NONE 3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD Reviews should focus on these questions: "Is this document a reasonable contribution to the area of Internet engineering which it covers? If not, what changes would make it so?" 3.2.1 New Item o draft-arkko-arp-iana-rules-01.txt IANA Allocation Guidelines for the Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) (Informational) - 1 of 1 Token: Russ Housley 3.2.2 Returning Item NONE 3.3 Independent Submissions Via RFC Editor The IESG will use RFC 3932 responses: 1) The IESG has not found any conflict between this document and IETF work; 2) The IESG thinks that this work is related to IETF work done in WG , but this does not prevent publishing; 3) The IESG thinks that publication is harmful to work in WG and recommends not publishing at this time; 4) The IESG thinks that this document violates the IETF procedures for and should therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG approval; 5) The IESG thinks that this document extends an IETF protocol in a way that requires IETF review and should therefore not be published without IETF review and IESG approval. The document shepherd must propose one of these responses in the Data Tracker note and supply complete text in the IESG Note portion of the write-up. The Area Director ballot positions indicate consensus with the response proposed by the document shepherd. Other matters may be recorded in comments, and the comments will be passed on to the RFC Editor as community review of the document. 3.3.1 New Item o draft-irtf-asrg-dnsbl-08.txt DNS Blacklists and Whitelists (Informational) - 1 of 1 Note: Propose to respond "1. The IESG has not found any conflict between this document and IETF work." Token: Lisa Dusseault 3.3.2 Returning Item NONE 3.3.3 For Action o draft-bberry-rfc4938bis-00.txt PPP Over Ethernet (PPPoE) Extensions for Credit Flow and Link Metrics (Informational) - 1 of 1 Note: Independent submission, being reviewed by pppext Token: Mark Townsley _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 28 12:19:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-dns-dir-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6D83A6991; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:19:35 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7683D3A6991 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:19:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.790, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0NPhRZbqJZo3 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.denic.de (gw-office.denic.de [81.91.160.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACDFF3A695E for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1L69oC-0005as-Sc; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:19:24 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1L69m3-0002OH-5c; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:17:11 +0100 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:17:11 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNS Directorate Message-ID: <20081128201711.GA9013@x27.adm.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: [dns-dir] No Call on Monday X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: dns-dir-bounces@ietf.org Dear fellow DNS directorate members, given that we've just met in Minneapolis and there are no new agenda items, we'll not have a conf call on Monday 2008-12-01. The IETF73 dns-dir meeting minutes are in preparation. The next regular call is scheduled for Monday, 2009-01-05. Best regards, Peter _______________________________________________ dns-dir mailing list dns-dir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir