From ogud@ogud.com Wed Sep 1 11:39:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A769E3A67AB for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:39:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.087 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.087 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.902, BAYES_40=-0.185, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nSG+OMRQ3J-d for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0680E3A68DF for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 11:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o81Ie1H6074079 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:40:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 14:40:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-2010.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "idmbox" Message-ID: <20100901_184001_089102.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS-EW: draft-hamarsheh-behave-biav2-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:39:38 -0000 Count: 21 Behave A. Hamarsheh Internet-Draft ETRO/Vrije Universiteit Brussel Obsoletes: 3338 (if approved) M. Goossens Intended status: Experimental ETRO/Vrije Universiteit Brussel Expires: March 7, 2011 August 31, 2010 Hosts with Any Network Connectivity Using "Bump-in-the-API"(BIA) draft-hamarsheh-behave-biav2-00 Abstract This document specifies a mechanism for hosts with any network connectivity (IPv4 only, IPv6 only, or dual IPv4/IPv6 connectivity) to run applications of any capability (IPv4 only, IPv6 only, or dual IPv4/IPv6) without any modification to those applications. It is a generalisation of a previous experimental protocol called "Bump-in-the-API" (BIA) [RFC3338]. New mechanism of BIA allows a changeover between the application layer and the IP communication layers from IPv4 to IPv6 and vice versa or IPv6 to IPv4 and vice versa, without requiring those applications to be converted in addressing capabilities, effectively shielding the application layer from IPv4 or IPv6 connectivity. This is considered by the authors to be one of the essential conditions for the transition to IPv6 in the Internet to be successful. From ogud@ogud.com Sun Sep 5 11:39:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220F03A682E for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 11:39:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.07 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.07 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.885, BAYES_40=-0.185, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AVxuwkbkGLAq for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 11:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7113A67DF for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 11:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o85Ie0fh007615 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2010 14:40:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 14:40:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-2010.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "idmbox" Message-ID: <20100905_184001_072203.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS-EW: draft-livingood-dns-malwareprotect-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2010 18:39:38 -0000 Count: 199 Internet Engineering Task Force T. Creighton Internet-Draft C. Griffiths Intended status: Informational J. Livingood, Ed. Expires: March 8, 2011 Comcast R. Weber Unaffiliated September 4, 2010 DNS Redirect for Protection from Malware draft-livingood-dns-malwareprotect-00 Abstract The objective of this document is to describe the design of so-called DNS-based malware protection services deployed today by Internet Service Providers (ISPs), DNS Application Service Providers (ASPs), and other organizations providing so-called DNS-based malware protection services via their recursive DNS services, as well as to describe the recommended practices regarding such systems. This document specifically and narrowly addresses those cases where DNS Redirect is being utilized to provide a service for end users which blocks domains hosting malicious software. From ogud@ogud.com Wed Sep 8 11:40:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379983A67A3 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:40:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.253 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.253 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.346, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id itt6heqawtgf for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2945A3A6A20 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o88Ie12Q042847 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:40:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:40:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-2010.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "idmbox" Message-ID: <20100908_184001_023907.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS-EW: draft-hallambaker-esrv-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:40:29 -0000 Count: 127 Internet Engineering Task Force P. Hallam-Baker Internet-Draft Comodo Inc. Intended status: Informational B. Smith Expires: March 11, 2011 DNS.com September 7, 2010 DNS Extended Service Parameters (ESRV) Record. draft-hallambaker-esrv-00 Abstract Extended Service Description (ESRV) records are DNS Resource Records that provide information to applications attempting to establish a network connection. When authenticated using an appropriate means ESRV records may be used to prevent a downgrade attack in cases where use of security enhancements with an application protocol are optional. From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Wed Sep 8 11:49:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23AE23A68FB for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:49:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TH5F6ZOHkLCx for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30A83A6A04 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so393035qyk.10 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:50:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id:to:mime-version :x-mailer; bh=4Ot4IdbYhX8GJIdXkyocUvBqjOmKHbmvhzhvJBqoCow=; b=lBVQyl87wZh9JBGoQ5IQM/qdoUaA3r+3EvV1j5vO97gJ2zr9R7n5J54RIT0rophD5J 5n9+DXGpUriZZByAIts8ChxO5O6YmAnhECtjATwO2LfS6Xv806TjKUWWUHKFu+Ougi7m aiHEbPFDL+EXAdZ1rYx6MWNC+Kb6N5JVFcywY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; b=fqXaalSY4XCWCocNj/K0ZElBKe/BsUWz3WeVSFr+TTfFVCS6fDA3YNvRJjg/voSfew niuj0ORcA+5hkK/yE8BG0RTecLmDQgzYpPdOlxqEkryfSCszmM9OPTFi7ZNgD2ZtLdvk 3E+4k0+SGVuKjD4wRGk/Gk3Fj4lVggqOAzqIA= Received: by 10.224.60.19 with SMTP id n19mr241290qah.248.1283971819580; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.21.108.60] (128-107-239-233.cisco.com [128.107.239.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r1sm326442qcq.22.2010.09.08.11.50.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:50:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ralph Droms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:49:43 +0200 Message-Id: To: IETF Directorate DNS Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: [dns-dir] draft-daboo-srv-caldav X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:49:57 -0000 Has anyone on the directorate reviewed draft-daboo-srv-caldav-08? - Ralph From ajs@shinkuro.com Wed Sep 8 11:59:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA343A698A for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:59:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.915 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.915 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.684, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZpwV6bKybdSM for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074603A67B3 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crankycanuck.ca (69-196-144-230.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B2951ECB41D for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:00:14 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20100908190013.GS3852@shinkuro.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] draft-daboo-srv-caldav X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:59:49 -0000 On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 08:49:43PM +0200, Ralph Droms wrote: > Has anyone on the directorate reviewed draft-daboo-srv-caldav-08? I have not. It was on my TODO but hasn't made it to the top yet (and likely won't this week). A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Wed Sep 8 12:07:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A593A6A17 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TeEhlTuNpLIn for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0C03A6A0E for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywk9 with SMTP id 9so269318ywk.31 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:07:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=WuE9Jt+5CffBMYoNO4rMEinBRmfIJk+29hV2T9+dO+w=; b=FsuOcTQ4wWJZL2fKaLbmKxhGerFiCVa3DgJxCQhaRgaZkCvUWkFtbWxvEw7NFZ4UMR BF2SJH9sTjx7mNk60kCjcEs30cOn4zwiohyYghbYLAZ1I7XW7m6+CH2e78DuHufaZRUi H2aoLUeF43n4nsq+aK/VbFFeyX2b0wFKINx/M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=X0lhl0kGAgL+P/u1vmhHVpJR5QbQahuJkQai4FQlPumii2MBCtfSs7pvE9FvzaH8bB kai+SW9n/gEX6h72vfhvMj8s5UOlRLwJlJ2F5wtB+2Zv4vmOGgT4RIVSYKFDHODoZook K9MAT+XC85L7pxeWFNiTwifHkWuW1PKExDKaE= Received: by 10.229.191.71 with SMTP id dl7mr1082574qcb.184.1283972855133; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.21.108.60] (128-107-239-233.cisco.com [128.107.239.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e6sm328339qcr.41.2010.09.08.12.07.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <20100908190013.GS3852@shinkuro.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:07:29 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20100908190013.GS3852@shinkuro.com> To: Andrew Sullivan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] draft-daboo-srv-caldav X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:07:09 -0000 Hm. It's on the agenda for discussion during tomorrow's IESG telechat. I've read it and I think the DNS SRV usages are OK; a second opinion = wouldn't hurt if someone has a chance to make a quick review before noon = EDT tomorrow. - Ralph On Sep 8, 2010, at 9:00 PM 9/8/10, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 08:49:43PM +0200, Ralph Droms wrote: >> Has anyone on the directorate reviewed draft-daboo-srv-caldav-08? >=20 > I have not. It was on my TODO but hasn't made it to the top yet (and > likely won't this week). >=20 > A >=20 > --=20 > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@shinkuro.com > Shinkuro, Inc. > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From paf@cisco.com Wed Sep 8 12:15:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657AD3A6804 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:15:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.929 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.929 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.370, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hm7whGRcjCyY for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532373A68D4 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: rtp-iport-2.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAEd+h0xAZnwM/2dsb2JhbAChHnGlNJsvhT0Eih4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,335,1280707200"; d="scan'208";a="157087133" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Sep 2010 19:15:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.51] (dhcp-10-61-100-80.cisco.com [10.61.100.80]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o88JFehK025870; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:15:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:15:41 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20100908190013.GS3852@shinkuro.com> To: Ralph Droms X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] draft-daboo-srv-caldav X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:15:25 -0000 Yes, I did. I have on the IETF list expressed that I do not like the naming scheme = they have chosen (using SRV records plus a "well known path in HTTP", = but I also accept being overruled as better ways of solving the same = kind of problem is not known in the IETF. Patrik On 8 sep 2010, at 21.07, Ralph Droms wrote: > Hm. It's on the agenda for discussion during tomorrow's IESG = telechat. >=20 > I've read it and I think the DNS SRV usages are OK; a second opinion = wouldn't hurt if someone has a chance to make a quick review before noon = EDT tomorrow. >=20 > - Ralph >=20 > On Sep 8, 2010, at 9:00 PM 9/8/10, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >=20 >> On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 08:49:43PM +0200, Ralph Droms wrote: >>> Has anyone on the directorate reviewed draft-daboo-srv-caldav-08? >>=20 >> I have not. It was on my TODO but hasn't made it to the top yet (and >> likely won't this week). >>=20 >> A >>=20 >> --=20 >> Andrew Sullivan >> ajs@shinkuro.com >> Shinkuro, Inc. >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Wed Sep 8 12:17:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344973A69F1 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:17:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dHemJtxb854H for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CDB3A6804 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so423128qyk.10 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:17:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=NAPzsf48hMQMWvsmKef662oCHbY1yKUNyHVm+X11Xqs=; b=g2Uz5D/9Cp++tR2NVBD921LO1YajPV6w0JYfeNi6ej0ECvw0x8u6eKL5R1cH7AEkOy NBdVUgnH4M8FW0rZmFHfUzG9vdw3ma9XFnKfJ6UTREfKO8VcTXnFr8PLXup6RhBta2Nk pMMeAhxyMJfRN2bMCtX7SP5NuZ0vW1N2Pid0U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=GmNxMQkC9xWIg2gtbTWJJ0Wkh4t+aU6vDaJwoG3Yd0vApxlojriYJsFTXLa2tmP+XU lST5u3HT/GRqyD1mFGEbn5fOd6Yp3Ft9fghL3HswNuoUvJB9hM0smMuSsZpSuV0yPpuO DI8O6idqYE7Nu3KhYLP6zKTMxoQQZeqBSApbE= Received: by 10.224.19.147 with SMTP id a19mr231513qab.235.1283973424218; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.21.108.60] (128-107-239-233.cisco.com [128.107.239.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t24sm340076qcs.35.2010.09.08.12.17.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:16:57 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20100908190013.GS3852@shinkuro.com> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] draft-daboo-srv-caldav X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:17:43 -0000 Thanks, Patrik... - Ralph On Sep 8, 2010, at 9:15 PM 9/8/10, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: > Yes, I did. >=20 > I have on the IETF list expressed that I do not like the naming scheme = they have chosen (using SRV records plus a "well known path in HTTP", = but I also accept being overruled as better ways of solving the same = kind of problem is not known in the IETF. >=20 > Patrik >=20 > On 8 sep 2010, at 21.07, Ralph Droms wrote: >=20 >> Hm. It's on the agenda for discussion during tomorrow's IESG = telechat. >>=20 >> I've read it and I think the DNS SRV usages are OK; a second opinion = wouldn't hurt if someone has a chance to make a quick review before noon = EDT tomorrow. >>=20 >> - Ralph >>=20 >> On Sep 8, 2010, at 9:00 PM 9/8/10, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >>=20 >>> On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 08:49:43PM +0200, Ralph Droms wrote: >>>> Has anyone on the directorate reviewed draft-daboo-srv-caldav-08? >>>=20 >>> I have not. It was on my TODO but hasn't made it to the top yet = (and >>> likely won't this week). >>>=20 >>> A >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Andrew Sullivan >>> ajs@shinkuro.com >>> Shinkuro, Inc. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dns-dir mailing list >>> dns-dir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >=20 From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Wed Sep 8 12:21:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665BD3A6885 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:21:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.43 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.43 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.131, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BJafabRj3KLS for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FD53A67B3 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so427816qyk.10 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:22:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=l+CTSRijAs/MFwB88oUw+7LAQmf22szlLWABwCD9Wq0=; b=UlI4wA/Yk6+1D0vdKZt02535Aa/vPr88F2zkJbRzXhdAHF+aQRF5mX9eqrEUwS0PrD KCpQ990NfiTWCtMiY3yi/WasirJUvtHzlSu5jWMMyJZAzqMY/wFQO5WxD0ARGgAC07zM apgTePLDUA2Cl7uO9v8OGqygW0XwNE+LM5v2U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=x3H/68Y9Q5I5i47dhTttO8XTmQ0vbvT9Jy8P8QVteTuwUzIlNDSD0OUUxUqg2clA8w u0OtRpto4Cbfw8QTmzHNhQmuGH6TOWkokp41zHTElOlQu2bW6Va4ZdNOimT47Up6SP30 v14pNsadDjuFfsz80hFzCMreO29WC/nFtHHDE= Received: by 10.224.29.1 with SMTP id o1mr322998qac.279.1283973724981; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.21.108.60] (128-107-239-233.cisco.com [128.107.239.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e6sm385766qcr.5.2010.09.08.12.22.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:21:58 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <455C32FC-3399-4D30-BDB3-DFA641FCC7E9@gmail.com> References: <20100908190013.GS3852@shinkuro.com> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] draft-daboo-srv-caldav X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:21:39 -0000 I found the thread you refer to; thanks, again... - Ralph On Sep 8, 2010, at 9:15 PM 9/8/10, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: > Yes, I did. >=20 > I have on the IETF list expressed that I do not like the naming scheme = they have chosen (using SRV records plus a "well known path in HTTP", = but I also accept being overruled as better ways of solving the same = kind of problem is not known in the IETF. >=20 > Patrik >=20 > On 8 sep 2010, at 21.07, Ralph Droms wrote: >=20 >> Hm. It's on the agenda for discussion during tomorrow's IESG = telechat. >>=20 >> I've read it and I think the DNS SRV usages are OK; a second opinion = wouldn't hurt if someone has a chance to make a quick review before noon = EDT tomorrow. >>=20 >> - Ralph >>=20 >> On Sep 8, 2010, at 9:00 PM 9/8/10, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >>=20 >>> On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 08:49:43PM +0200, Ralph Droms wrote: >>>> Has anyone on the directorate reviewed draft-daboo-srv-caldav-08? >>>=20 >>> I have not. It was on my TODO but hasn't made it to the top yet = (and >>> likely won't this week). >>>=20 >>> A >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Andrew Sullivan >>> ajs@shinkuro.com >>> Shinkuro, Inc. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dns-dir mailing list >>> dns-dir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >=20 From ajs@shinkuro.com Wed Sep 8 12:24:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EB23A67E3 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:24:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.921 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.678, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sjj2xVa0xSFu for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FD83A67C2 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crankycanuck.ca (69-196-144-230.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 920491ECB41D; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:25:13 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: Ralph Droms Message-ID: <20100908192513.GU3852@shinkuro.com> References: <20100908190013.GS3852@shinkuro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] draft-daboo-srv-caldav X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:24:49 -0000 On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 09:07:29PM +0200, Ralph Droms wrote: > Hm. It's on the agenda for discussion during tomorrow's IESG telechat. > > I've read it and I think the DNS SRV usages are OK; a second opinion wouldn't hurt if someone has a chance to make a quick review before noon EDT tomorrow. > Ok, I had a quick skim. It'd be nice if someone else had a look too, because I did this while waiting for an awk script to finish. Without wanting to dredge up a lot of history, the issue is partly that the document depends on I-D.cheshire-dnsext-dns-sd, which draft has been waiting for an update for, according to the tracker, 166 days. I personally wish that draft hadn't used TXT records, but too late and too bad and so sad. The mechanism clearly works and is widely deployed, so I think it ought to be published. But I believe there have been people who feel otherwise. I sorta hate the RFC 5785 approach, but it's available and apparently works. So, while I think the approach taken by this draft could have been cleaner and nicer in some alternate universe, in the universe we're actually in I think it's not harmful. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. From paf@cisco.com Wed Sep 8 12:27:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E966E3A67C2 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:27:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.934 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.934 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.365, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WR5emr-eV4JH for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA563A682F for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: rtp-iport-1.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEACaAh0xAZnwM/2dsb2JhbAChIHGlN5suhT0Eih4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,335,1280707200"; d="scan'208";a="156898993" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Sep 2010 19:28:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.51] (dhcp-10-61-100-80.cisco.com [10.61.100.80]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o88JS2x3000728; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:28:03 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= In-Reply-To: <20100908192513.GU3852@shinkuro.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 21:28:03 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2020F1E1-C93A-4D24-BE5F-2EEB7608C1E0@cisco.com> References: <20100908190013.GS3852@shinkuro.com> <20100908192513.GU3852@shinkuro.com> To: Andrew Sullivan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] draft-daboo-srv-caldav X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:27:52 -0000 On 8 sep 2010, at 21.25, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > So, while I think the approach taken by this draft could have been > cleaner and nicer in some alternate universe, in the universe we're > actually in I think it's not harmful. Correct, it is not harmful. I want them to "stay in the IETF" (do not = scare them away). They have a real problem to solve. Yes, the solution = might be a hack, but it is possible to change in the future when we have = more better ideas. Ship it! Patrik From rdroms@cisco.com Wed Sep 8 11:48:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5DD3A68FB for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:48:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.329 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.329 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.270, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2t-8viTEGUjR for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5F43A6818 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 11:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-6.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAPN3h0yrR7H+/2dsb2JhbAChF3GlNpsrhT0Eih4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,335,1280707200"; d="scan'208";a="585617247" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Sep 2010 18:48:27 +0000 Received: from [10.21.108.60] ([10.21.108.60]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o88Ilux3006715 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 18:48:26 GMT From: Ralph Droms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:47:55 +0200 Message-Id: <36A86982-82C3-4BB5-95B0-BABA150F3F0F@cisco.com> To: IETF Directorate DNS Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:03:10 -0700 Subject: [dns-dir] draft-daboo-srv-caldav X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:48:11 -0000 Has anyone on the directorate reviewed draft-daboo-srv-caldav-08? - Ralph From ogud@ogud.com Fri Sep 10 11:39:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D88D3A6869 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:39:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.271 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.271 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.328, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EMtdsckXtcir for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31B83A67F4 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o8AIe1wO062237 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:40:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:40:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-2010.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "idmbox" Message-ID: <20100910_184001_070597.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS-EW: draft-hallambaker-certhash-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:39:37 -0000 Count: 55 Internet Engineering Task Force P. Hallam-Baker Internet-Draft Comodo Inc. Intended status: Informational September 10, 2010 Expires: March 14, 2011 Use of DNS CERT Records for Key Assurance draft-hallambaker-certhash-00 Abstract Deployment of DNSSEC opens up the possibility of new mechanisms for assuring application keys. This document extends the use of the DNS CERT resource record and defines X.509v3 extensuions to support key assurance mechanisms for use with TLS and other X.509 protocols and provides a comprehensive assessment of the security thus achieved. From ogud@ogud.com Fri Sep 10 11:39:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBF33A67F4 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:39:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.279 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.279 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.320, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TZFGWM8KnQwk for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B053A6819 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o8AIe1Op062246 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:40:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:40:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-2010.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "idmbox" Message-ID: <20100910_184001_085547.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS-EW: draft-yao-dnsop-resolverkey-01.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:39:37 -0000 Count: 46 Network Working Group Jiankang. Yao Internet-Draft CNNIC Intended status: Standards Track September 10, 2010 Expires: March 14, 2011 Resolver Key Identified DNS Query draft-yao-dnsop-resolverkey-01.txt Abstract DNSSEC hardens the DNS between the root server and the recursive resolver. It does not secure the communications between the stub resolver and the recursive resolver. This document specifies the mechanism which deals with securing the communications between them. From ogud@ogud.com Fri Sep 10 12:03:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52673A68AD for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:03:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.312, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fDmKYsv7PyIs for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35193A68D7 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o8AIe29w062276 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:40:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:40:02 -0400 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-2010.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "idmbox" Message-ID: <20100910_184002_099872.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS-EW: draft-xu-behave-stateful-nat-standby-05.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:03:11 -0000 Count: 10 Network working group X. Xu Internet Draft Huawei Category: BCP M. Boucadair Expires: March 2011 France Telecom Y. Lee Comcast G. Chen China Mobile September 10, 2010 Redundancy and Load Balancing Framework for Stateful Network Address Translators (NAT) draft-xu-behave-stateful-nat-standby-05 Abstract This document defines a framework for ensuring redundancy and/or load balancing for stateful Network Address Translators (NAT), including NAT44, NAT64 and NAT46. From ogud@ogud.com Sat Sep 11 11:40:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287F83A6890 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:40:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.002, BAYES_50=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gM7ijKbBRxrn for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2DF3A6827 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o8BIe0QZ069832 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:40:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:40:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-2010.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "idmbox" Message-ID: <20100911_184000_017926.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS-EW: draft-mcpherson-unique-origin-as-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:40:22 -0000 Count: 10 INTERNET-DRAFT Danny McPherson Ryan Donnelly Frank Scalzo VeriSign, Inc. Expires: March 2011 September 10, 2010 Intended Status: Best Current Practice Unique Per-Node Origin ASNs for Globally Anycasted Services Abstract This document makes recommendations regarding the use of unique origin ASNs for globally anycasted critical infrastructure services. From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Mon Sep 13 04:06:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755053A697A for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 04:06:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -107.632 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-107.632 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.367, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z1iXikG8Z30R for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 04:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512943A6979 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 04:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-3.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAP+hjUyrR7H+/2dsb2JhbAChRnGjMIo4h3ctiCqDAwiCNQSKJw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,358,1280707200"; d="scan'208";a="238144099" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Sep 2010 11:06:43 +0000 Received: from sjc-vpnasa1-32.cisco.com (sjc-vpnasa1-32.cisco.com [10.21.104.32]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o8DB6gur009086; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:06:43 GMT From: Ralph Droms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:06:42 +0200 Message-Id: To: IETF Directorate DNS Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: [dns-dir] "Bonjour" protocol doc suite X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:06:18 -0000 The authors of the following documents have published revisions and have asked me to bring them back to the IESG as AD sponsored submissions: Multicast DNS, DNS-Based Service Discovery, Requirements for a Protocol to Replace AppleTalk NBP, As many of you are likely aware, these documents have been reviewed by the IESG, and the mDNS and DNS-SD docs have been through IETF last call (as far as I can tell, the NBP doc has been reviewed by the IESG but has not gone through an IETF last call). The newly published revisions of these documents take the previous reviews into account and I believe they are close to ready for re-review by the IESG and the IETF. During the previous reviews of the mNDS and DNS-SD documents, the question of "Standards Track" versus "Informational" was raised. The authors have addressed the specific comments from previous reviews related to this question and have asked that the documents be published as "Standards Track". I know these are long documents, but I would like to get at least preliminary feedback on the docments from the DNS Directorate before putting them back on the IESG agenda. If you know of any reason why I should not go ahead with an IETF last call, please let me know by Thu, Sep 16. Any discussion of the docs and how to proceed with their review would be welcome and appreciated. A more thorough review can be provided during the IETF last call. If reviewers want to read the last call comments for the mDNS and DNS-SD docs, the relevant threads are available at: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg59418.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg53588.html respectively. One important issue that will need to be resolved is the disposition of ".local.", as used by mDNS. This issue seems to be related to the "sink.arpa." issue (I think I understand the differences between the two issues), which has been black-holed by the IAB. I will restart the sink.arpa. discussion in anticipation of a similar discussion about .local. - Ralph From narten@us.ibm.com Mon Sep 13 06:01:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285503A69CE for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:01:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.959 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.959 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.040, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PxQA2rrkFgnt for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e38.co.us.ibm.com (e38.co.us.ibm.com [32.97.110.159]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181BE3A69C3 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d03relay05.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay05.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.107]) by e38.co.us.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o8DCs2f8020306 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:54:02 -0600 Received: from d03av05.boulder.ibm.com (d03av05.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.85]) by d03relay05.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id o8DD1Yuv082290 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:01:35 -0600 Received: from d03av05.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av05.boulder.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id o8DD1Xd2027369 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:01:33 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-212-59.mts.ibm.com [9.65.212.59]) by d03av05.boulder.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id o8DD1WYt027290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:01:33 -0600 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.12.5) with ESMTP id o8DD1VT8024641; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:01:31 -0400 Message-Id: <201009131301.o8DD1VT8024641@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: Ralph Droms In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Ralph Droms message dated "Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:06:42 +0200." Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:01:31 -0400 From: Thomas Narten Cc: IETF Directorate DNS Subject: Re: [dns-dir] "Bonjour" protocol doc suite X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:01:21 -0000 > One important issue that will need to be resolved is the disposition > of ".local.", as used by mDNS. What is there to resolve? mDNS is deployed code that is used today. It uses .local. That is reality. What can we do other than record that fact? There is no need (IMO) to blow this up into an entire meta-discussion about sink.arpa, etc. A discussion about sink.arpa might be a fine thing, but I don't see why the two need to be bundled together, unless the goal is simply to delay everything. Thomas From sra@hactrn.net Mon Sep 13 06:07:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B47E3A69BA for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:07:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Q8YsLf-6e0N for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyteen.hactrn.net (cyteen.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:210:5aff:fe86:1f54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC503A69B9 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (thrintun.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:219:d1ff:fe12:5d30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "thrintun.hactrn.net", Issuer "Grunchweather Associates" (verified OK)) by cyteen.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B74F028441 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by thrintun.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6D522808 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:08:17 -0400 From: Rob Austein To: IETF Directorate DNS In-Reply-To: <201009131301.o8DD1VT8024641@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> References: <201009131301.o8DD1VT8024641@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/21.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20100913130817.6B6D522808@thrintun.hactrn.net> Subject: Re: [dns-dir] "Bonjour" protocol doc suite X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:07:53 -0000 Oh, but think of the fun we could have pushing back on Stuart's insistence that this is DNS (as opposed to a new protocol with different semantics that reuses portions of DNS's syntax). From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Mon Sep 13 06:10:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7653A6998 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:10:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AV8KbIzxHbe4 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FE93A69BF for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 06:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-4.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAFS/jUyrRN+K/2dsb2JhbAChRnGkVoo4iBIth3eFQASKJw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,359,1280707200"; d="scan'208";a="185650015" Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.223.138]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Sep 2010 13:10:32 +0000 Received: from sjc-vpnasa1-32.cisco.com (sjc-vpnasa1-32.cisco.com [10.21.104.32]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o8DDAVxn023605; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:10:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <20100913130817.6B6D522808@thrintun.hactrn.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:10:30 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201009131301.o8DD1VT8024641@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <20100913130817.6B6D522808@thrintun.hactrn.net> To: Rob Austein X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: IETF Directorate DNS Subject: Re: [dns-dir] "Bonjour" protocol doc suite X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:10:08 -0000 Just shoot me now. Seriously, there was pushback from the IAB on the I-D requesting the = registration of sink.arpa. The authors responded, and the IAB hasn't = responded. I want to know if what's written in the mDNS doc about the = use of authority over .local. makes sense, and how it relates to = sink.arpa. - Ralph On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:08 PM 9/13/10, Rob Austein wrote: > Oh, but think of the fun we could have pushing back on Stuart's > insistence that this is DNS (as opposed to a new protocol with > different semantics that reuses portions of DNS's syntax). > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From ogud@ogud.com Mon Sep 13 07:15:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A153A69E6 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:15:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RIcYtTdgiN38 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3AD3A69EA for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o8DEFiia083642 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 10:15:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-ID: <4C8E320F.3030109@ogud.com> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 10:15:43 -0400 From: Olafur Gudmundsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dns-dir@ietf.org References: <201009131301.o8DD1VT8024641@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <20100913130817.6B6D522808@thrintun.hactrn.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: Re: [dns-dir] "Bonjour" protocol doc suite X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:15:21 -0000 There are two issues here: special names in DNS such as sink.arpa. and .local. and reuse of DNS format by other protocols i.e. LLMNR and Bonjor. The first is emotional the second one is technical, but we have already crossed that bridge, there is no reason to hold up MDNS for that reason. On the second issue .local IMHO is a good idea and the only reason people have had heartburn about it is that this crossed the boundary between IETF and ICANN. ICANN has in fact accepted that ".local" is in use and thus it is not available as TLD allocation. As far as I can tell ICANN would be happy to have documentation as to why .local is not to be allocated. As to sink.arpa. it is global name, .local is supposed to be scope restricted, thus it may exist in certain contexts but not all, sink.arpa is not supposed to exist at all. The second purpose of the sink.arpa document is to create a way for special purpose names to be allocated in IETF/IAB managed space rather than in the TLD space. Olafur On 13/09/2010 9:10 AM, Ralph Droms wrote: > Just shoot me now. > > Seriously, there was pushback from the IAB on the I-D requesting the registration of sink.arpa. The authors responded, and the IAB hasn't responded. I want to know if what's written in the mDNS doc about the use of authority over .local. makes sense, and how it relates to sink.arpa. > > - Ralph > > On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:08 PM 9/13/10, Rob Austein wrote: > >> Oh, but think of the fun we could have pushing back on Stuart's >> insistence that this is DNS (as opposed to a new protocol with >> different semantics that reuses portions of DNS's syntax). >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir > > > From ogud@ogud.com Mon Sep 13 11:40:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E504C3A6AA5 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:40:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.279 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.279 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.320, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VvG73dYYafd8 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059DE3A6ABF for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 11:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o8DIe0Vw086413 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:40:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:40:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-2010.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "idmbox" Message-ID: <20100913_184000_047504.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS-EW: draft-ietf-6man-rfc3484-revise-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:40:27 -0000 Count: 19 Network Working Group A. Matsumoto Internet-Draft J. Kato Intended status: Standards Track T. Fujisaki Expires: March 17, 2011 NTT September 13, 2010 Things To Be Included in RFC 3484 Revision draft-ietf-6man-rfc3484-revise-00.txt Abstract RFC 3484 has several known issues to be fixed. Deprecation of IPv6 site-local unicast address and the coming of ULA brought some preferable changes to the rules. Additionally, the rule 9 of the destination address selection rules, namely the longest matching rule, is known for its adverse effect on the round robin DNS technique. This document covers these points to be fixed and proposes possible useful changes to be included in the revision of RFC 3484. From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Mon Sep 13 12:27:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3903A69F9 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:27:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.603 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.603 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MkAWEEH+OLbW for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429633A6AA8 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so7254232wyi.31 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:references:cc:from :content-type:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=qCW+YYe4IoMpRChRs227zHFr0ubuERhmkFRe4VJ//9s=; b=sFQFCB66P63fYD8DZQrn8zohFfkFwDywK9GNKxqGFKFcGmFQ5nPztw8WQ2MfsOTR4m Tc7Mx6LhPX3AB56AF0Jkv786ygPrNEVZP05iTEZcRDPktpkR21UXmyx7wxqr+0+1jvTL QlKv4iGTdQhWV801w9GeeqFPux+szTduJlMOM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:cc:from:content-type:in-reply-to:message-id:date :to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:x-mailer; b=aPkP4RN7A+3+NgyhHr521L0iUtFrV8gVVX5gEAIpKv6xSsOHN20Xfxcfi+y7acSJdt /jY4MOisIE5tccYzVzksVWjCjjQ84qQzDuaM852+CiXflsyW4oYlICGbmgDyx7ORVlYN +rdKCNzrUhP/TAKzVaHseUDla8hpqbl2WVnx0= Received: by 10.227.133.139 with SMTP id f11mr270228wbt.132.1284406072149; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.8.19] (52-207.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch [188.62.207.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m25sm5551224wbc.19.2010.09.13.12.27.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:27:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <201009131301.o8DD1VT8024641@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <20100913130817.6B6D522808@thrintun.hactrn.net> <4C8E320F.3030109@ogud.com> From: Ralph Droms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <4C8E320F.3030109@ogud.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:01:07 +0200 To: Olafur Gudmundsson Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8B117) X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8B117) Cc: "dns-dir@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] "Bonjour" protocol doc suite X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:27:36 -0000 Olafur... On Sep 13, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > There are two issues here: > special names in DNS such as sink.arpa. and .local. > and reuse of DNS format by other protocols i.e. LLMNR and Bonjor. >=20 > The first is emotional the second one is V=20 > , but we have already crossed that bridge, there is no reason to hold up M= DNS for that reason. Did you mean "reuse of DNS" is emotional while the .local issue is technical= ? >=20 > On the second issue .local IMHO is a good idea and the only reason people h= ave had heartburn about it is that this crossed the boundary between IETF an= d ICANN. ICANN has in fact accepted that ".local" is in use and thus it is n= ot available as TLD allocation. As far as I can tell ICANN would be happy to= have documentation as to why .local is not to be allocated. Are you Ok with the documentation formulation in the mDMS doc? >=20 > As to sink.arpa. it is global name, .local is supposed to be scope restric= ted, thus it may exist in certain contexts but not all, sink.arpa is not sup= posed to exist at all. Does the difference in scope affect how the two names are treated and docume= nted? >=20 > The second purpose of the sink.arpa document is to create a way for specia= l purpose names to be allocated in IETF/IAB managed space rather than in the= TLD space. Ok. >=20 > Olafur - Ralph >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 13/09/2010 9:10 AM, Ralph Droms wrote: >> Just shoot me now. >>=20 >> Seriously, there was pushback from the IAB on the I-D requesting the regi= stration of sink.arpa. The authors responded, and the IAB hasn't responded.= I want to know if what's written in the mDNS doc about the use of authorit= y over .local. makes sense, and how it relates to sink.arpa. >>=20 >> - Ralph >>=20 >> On Sep 13, 2010, at 3:08 PM 9/13/10, Rob Austein wrote: >>=20 >>> Oh, but think of the fun we could have pushing back on Stuart's >>> insistence that this is DNS (as opposed to a new protocol with >>> different semantics that reuses portions of DNS's syntax). >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dns-dir mailing list >>> dns-dir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dns-dir mailing list >> dns-dir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From ogud@ogud.com Wed Sep 15 11:40:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0B83A6A13 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:40:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.144 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.144 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.959, BAYES_40=-0.185, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yXjIxQxM6jk2 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263D13A6A03 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o8FIe0nS007561 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:40:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:40:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-2010.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "idmbox" Message-ID: <20100915_184000_054187.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS-EW: draft-tsou-opsawg-network-configuration-01.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:40:20 -0000 Count: 16 Internet Engineering Task Force T. Tsou Internet-Draft Huawei Technologies Intended status: Informational J. Schoenwaelder Expires: March 19, 2011 Jacobs University Bremen Y. Shi Hangzhou H3C Tech. Co., Ltd. T. Taylor, Ed. Huawei Technologies September 15, 2010 Problem Statement for the Configuration of Large-Scale IP Networks draft-tsou-opsawg-network-configuration-01 Abstract This memo discusses the steps required to bring network devices in a service provider network into service in an automated fashion. The memo identifies known solutions where they exist, but notes some gaps that require further specification. From dromasca@avaya.com Fri Sep 17 00:02:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D59E3A68E1; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.095, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EcBIXA8+10Ln; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100313A68AB; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,380,1280721600"; d="txt'?scan'208";a="207899387" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 17 Sep 2010 03:02:50 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,380,1280721600"; d="txt'?scan'208";a="517304285" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 17 Sep 2010 03:02:49 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB5636.509E40FE" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:02:38 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: NomCom 2010-2011: Call for More Nominations Thread-Index: ActV9qJgWaEJIRXFSNmxZyo5S3JjZAAP0s7g From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , , "IETF DNS Directorate" , , , Subject: [dns-dir] FW: NomCom 2010-2011: Call for More Nominations X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:02:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB5636.509E40FE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please see the following message from the nomcom chair. Submitting nominations for the best candidates for the open positions, and helping nomcom with feedback about the candidates is an important contribution to the IETF - please engage.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan -----Original Message----- From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of NomCom Chair Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:26 AM To: IETF Announcement list Subject: NomCom 2010-2011: Call for More Nominations=20 Hi Folks, Nominations have slowed down dramatically, so this update is to enlist the community in an effort to pick up the pace.=20 We are very far behind in nominations for all the open positions but in particular we need nominations for the IESG and IAOC open positions.=20 There have been no nominations received (other than for the incumbents) in INT, RAI, and RTG, and only 1 for OPS. Likewise, in IAOC there have been no nominations submitted other than the incumbent. The acceptance rates of those nominated has also been very slow. In order to initiate the open list of willing nominees we are in need of a reasonable number of acceptances, and due to the low number of nominees and acceptances have delayed the start date for publishing the first open list to September 20. So if you have been nominated and are willing to serve, but have not yet confirmed this by email back to the NomCom, please do so as soon as possible. We need Community input and participation! We cannot properly execute the task of selecting the best candidates for these positions with so few nominations and acceptances. So, please consider making nominations for the open positions, in particular those for which we have so few nominations it takes just a few minutes of your time.=20 Right now, we just need the names/email addresses. Why do we need more nominations? Well, even if you think a willing incumbent is doing a very good job and should be returned, his or her ability to serve again might be impacted by unforeseen circumstances between now and March. NomCom needs to consider multiple nominees to be prepared in the event one or more candidates is unable to serve come next March and to ensure we have chosen the best candidate.=20 There are several ways you can help the IETF Nominating Committee. - You may nominate yourself. - You can nominate someone you know whom you think would do a good job. Do not worry about whether they might already be nominated. We would much prefer to receive the same nomination several times rather than miss a good person we should consider. How to submit Nominations: -------------------------- The list of positions we need to fill, and the provided Job Descriptions, and forms for nominations, can be found in the call for nominations at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ann/nomcom/2468/=20 You may enter a nomination by going to the following URL https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/10/nominate You may also nominate someone by sending an email to nomcom10@ietf.org and giving us their name, email address and the open position you are nominating them for. We will take care of the rest.=20 If you are asked for a user name and password, use an existing ietf login and password. If you need a login and password, request one from the tools page at the following URL http://trac.tools.ietf.org/newlogin Open List: ---------- As you already know, NomCom 2010-2011 will follow the policy for "Open Disclosure of Willing Nominees" described in RFC 5680. Feedback Collection: -------------------- Once the open list is available, the entire community will be invited to provide feedback. I will send a further announcement requesting feedback on the nominees, describing how to submit feedback, and how to view the open list of nominees.=20 Thank you, Thomas Walsh Chair, NomCom 2010-2011 nomcom-chair@ietf.org twalsh@juniper.net ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB5636.509E40FE Content-Type: text/plain; name="ATT4288139.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: ATT4288139.txt Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATT4288139.txt" X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18NCklFVEYtQW5u b3VuY2UgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0DQpJRVRGLUFubm91bmNlQGlldGYub3JnDQpodHRwczovL3d3dy5p ZXRmLm9yZy9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL2lldGYtYW5ub3VuY2UNCg== ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB5636.509E40FE-- From dromasca@avaya.com Fri Sep 17 00:10:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE293A6A4E; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:10:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.505 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.505 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.094, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RTf7l70fCjfV; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1A23A68AB; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 00:10:35 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,381,1280721600"; d="scan'208";a="207900175" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 17 Sep 2010 03:10:57 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.56,381,1280721600"; d="scan'208";a="512678356" Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.12]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 17 Sep 2010 03:10:56 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:10:34 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: PRELIMINARY Agenda and Package for the September 23, 2010 IESG Teleconference Thread-Index: ActV8/rQbTGSU2esTLya8LqVQl50/AAQlogg From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: , , "IETF DNS Directorate" , Subject: [dns-dir] FW: PRELIMINARY Agenda and Package for the September 23, 2010 IESG Teleconference X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:10:51 -0000 See below the preliminary agenda of the 9/23 IESG telechat. Please send = your comments, questions and concerns about the documents and WG brought = up for approval before 9/22 COB.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan =20 -----Original Message----- From: iesg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:iesg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = IESG Secretary Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 1:07 AM ... 2. Protocol Actions 2.1 WG Submissions 2.1.1 New Items o draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements-08 Session Description Protocol (SDP) Elements for FEC Framework (Proposed Standard) Token: David Harrington o draft-ietf-ccamp-gmpls-ethernet-pbb-te-05 Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) control of Ethernet PBB-TE (Proposed Standard) Note: Deborah Brungard is the document shepherd (db3546@att.com). Token: Adrian Farrel o draft-ietf-fecframe-framework-10 Forward Error Correction (FEC) Framework (Proposed Standard) Token: David Harrington o draft-ietf-roll-rpl-11 RPL: IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low power and Lossy Networks (Proposed Standard) Note: David Culler (culler@eecs.berkeley.edu) is the document shepherd. Token: Adrian Farrel o draft-ietf-eai-frmwrk-4952bis-07 Overview and Framework for Internationalized Email (Proposed Standard) Note: I set the document status to PS, but I and the WG is happy for this to proceed as Informational Token: Alexey Melnikov o draft-ietf-mext-nemo-pd-06 DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation for NEMO (Proposed Standard) Note: Julien Laganier (julienl@qualcomm.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Jari Arkko o draft-ietf-tcpm-urgent-data-06 On the implementation of the TCP urgent mechanism (Proposed Standard) Note: Wesley Eddy (Wesley.M.Eddy@nasa.gov) is the document shepherd. Token: Lars Eggert 2.1.2 Returning Items o draft-ietf-sip-session-policy-framework-07 A Framework for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Session Policies (Proposed Standard) Note: IPR disclosure on this from RIM - https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1227/ Token: Robert Sparks o draft-ietf-mip4-generic-notification-message-15 Generic Notification Message for Mobile IPv4 (Proposed Standard) Note: Pete McCann (pete.mccann@motorola.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Jari Arkko 2.2 Individual Submissions 2.2.1 New Items NONE 2.2.2 Returning Items NONE 3. Document Actions 3.1 WG Submissions 3.1.1 New Items o draft-ietf-netmod-arch-08 An Architecture for Network Management using NETCONF and YANG (Informational) Note: David Partain (david.partain@ericsson.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Dan Romascanu o draft-ietf-opsec-igp-crypto-requirements-00 Cryptographic Authentication Algorithm Implementation Best Practices for Routing Protocols (Informational) Note: Joel Jaeggli (joelja@bogus.com) is the document shepherd. Token: Ron Bonica 3.1.2 Returning Items NONE 3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD 3.2.1 New Items o draft-mavrogiannopoulos-rfc5081bis-08 Using OpenPGP Keys for Transport Layer Security (TLS) Authentication (Informational) Note: Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos (nmav@gnutls.org) is the document Shepherd. Token: Sean Turner o draft-josefsson-pbkdf2-test-vectors-06 PKCS #5 Password Based Key Derivation Function 2 (PBKDF2) Test Vectors (Informational) Note: Simon Josefsson is the Document Shepherd (simon@josefsson.org). Token: Sean Turner 3.2.2 Returning Items o draft-cakulev-mikey-ibake-02 MIKEY-IBAKE: Identity-Based Mode of Key Distribution in Multimedia Internet KEYing (MIKEY) (Informational) Note: Requested cryptographic review by CFRG - deadline 9/3/2010 Token: Tim Polk 3.3 Independent Submissions Via RFC Editor 3.3.1 New Items o draft-dzis-nwg-nttdm-04 The Network Trouble Ticket Data Model (Experimental) Note: Proposed RFC 5742 response: "This specification documents an XML format that solves a problem similar to those addressed by the INCH and MARF working groups. However, the format serves a somewhat different purpose and thus the IESG has concluded that there is no conflict between this=C2 document and IETF work." Token: Peter Saint-Andre 3.3.2 Returning Items NONE 3.3.3 For Action o draft-chroboczek-babel-routing-protocol-04 The Babel Routing Protocol (Experimental) Token: Russ Housley o draft-livingood-web-notification-09 Comcast's Web Notification System Design (Informational) Token: Russ Housley 4. Working Group Actions 4.1 WG Creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review o Home Networking (homenet) Token: David Harrington o Application Bridging for Federated Access Beyond web (abfab) Token: Sean Turner o Web Security (websec) Token: Peter Saint-Andre 4.1.2 Proposed for Approval o Energy Management (eman) Token: Dan Romascanu 4.2 WG Rechartering 4.2.1 Under Evaluation for IETF Review NONE 4.2.2 Proposed for Approval o Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis) Token: Alexey Melnikov ... From liman@autonomica.se Fri Sep 17 08:17:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28B83A67FE for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:17:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MLQEZj3-5zk6 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ng.cafax.se (mail-ng.cafax.se [IPv6:2a00:801:11:53::4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC193A67F6 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 08:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net (ziptop.autonomica.net [77.72.226.72]) by mail-ng.cafax.se (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o8HFFh82008804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:15:43 +0200 (MEST) Received: from ziptop.autonomica.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ziptop.autonomica.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o8HFHmw4002969 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:17:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Lars-Johan Liman To: dns-dir@ietf.org References: <201009131301.o8DD1VT8024641@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <20100913130817.6B6D522808@thrintun.hactrn.net> <4C8E320F.3030109@ogud.com> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:17:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4C8E320F.3030109@ogud.com> (Olafur Gudmundsson's message of "Mon, 13 Sep 2010 10:15:43 -0400") Message-ID: <22mxrgbdr7.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [dns-dir] "Bonjour" protocol doc suite X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:17:36 -0000 ogud@ogud.com: > On the second issue .local IMHO is a good idea and the only reason > people have had heartburn about it is that this crossed the boundary > between IETF and ICANN. ICANN has in fact accepted that ".local" is in > use and thus it is not available as TLD allocation. As far as I can > tell ICANN would be happy to have documentation as to why .local is > not to be allocated. On one hand, having a locally scoped domain like .LOCAL is in some cases a good idea. I'm in favour of the principal idea, and having it documented and accepted by ICANN would be great. That way it could be delegated to h-ll and back in the root name servers, and we could off-load some of the bogus traffic from the roots. On the down side, we have the process by which this specific name (.LOCAL) has been established, i.e., by conscious volume deployment by one or two major players. That is a denial of service attack. There is no chance that anyone can register .LOCAL as their TLD now. What if Belkin, Inc. or Netgear suddendly decided to deploy .BELKIN or .NETGEAR in their equipment? There would be no need for them to register these TLD names themselves and pay a frightful amount of money for the pleasure. No one else can register them, so the are taken out of circulation, and it wouldn't cost them a dime (at least in contributions to ICANN). And then they all start to deploy code that send query storms for each others' names. Not good. So we have the unfortunate situation "You did wrong, but the result is good. Don't do it again!". Have you ever tried telling your children that? What was the outcome? ;-) Actually I think that, unless it's already clearly documented in the aforementioned documents, "we" *) should create the necessary documentation to create a situation where .LOCAL is reserved for local scope, and have ICANN make that delegation official. And delegate it to 127.0.0.1 or the AS112 servers or _somewhere_ other than the roots. Cheers, /Liman *) "we" is such a lovely loose term. What would your definition be in this case? ;-) From ajs@shinkuro.com Fri Sep 17 10:59:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F2F3A6832 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:59:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.983 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.616, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SAb8PuLFa0s2 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6473A6821 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crankycanuck.ca (69-196-144-230.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 363D51ECB408 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:59:56 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20100917175956.GH37627@shinkuro.com> References: <201009131301.o8DD1VT8024641@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <20100913130817.6B6D522808@thrintun.hactrn.net> <4C8E320F.3030109@ogud.com> <22mxrgbdr7.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <22mxrgbdr7.fsf@ziptop.autonomica.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: [dns-dir] "Bonjour" protocol doc suite X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:59:37 -0000 On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 05:17:48PM +0200, Lars-Johan Liman wrote: > no chance that anyone can register .LOCAL as their TLD now. What if > Belkin, Inc. or Netgear suddendly decided to deploy .BELKIN or .NETGEAR > in their equipment? At the very least, in the case of the former, I believe they did. I've heard operators complain about it. > Actually I think that, unless it's already clearly documented in the > aforementioned documents, "we" *) should create the necessary > documentation to create a situation where .LOCAL is reserved for local > scope, and have ICANN make that delegation official. And delegate it to > 127.0.0.1 or the AS112 servers or _somewhere_ other than the roots. ICANN has already determined that .local isn't getting registered by anyone, so it seems it'd be a good thing to document it, even though I agree with all of your worries about what might happen. It might not be a bad idea, also, to add a note about the history of .local deployment, and note that the situation with respect to the stability of the top level names has changed and that therefore people ought to think carefully before re-enacting that history with another label. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. From ogud@ogud.com Fri Sep 17 11:40:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187BE3A68FD for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:40:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.337 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.337 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.262, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id evFu2kXzOwf3 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C793A68F2 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o8HIe0BC027094 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:40:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:40:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-2010.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "idmbox" Message-ID: <20100917_184000_014699.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS-EW: draft-xu-name-shim6-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 18:40:42 -0000 Count: 21 Internet Engineering Task Force M. Xu Internet-Draft Z. Ming Intended status: Experimental Tsinghua University Expires: March 21, 2011 J. Ubillos Swedish Institute of Computer Science C. Vogt Ericsson September 17, 2010 Name Based Sockets - Shim6 draft-xu-name-shim6-00 Abstract This document describes and defines shim6 as a mobility solution for name-based sockets. Using names rather than pseudo IP addresses, shim6 can handle a more diverse set of mobility scenarios. These changes allow a shim6 session to persist even through cases where one node has no working locators to its correspondent node. If the name is also a resolvable fully qualified domain name, the connection can be kept alive even if neither node have a working locator to the corresponding node. As can be the case if both nodes are mobile simultaneously. From sra@hactrn.net Fri Sep 17 16:52:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3C13A698A for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:52:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UomfYSt6EzwU for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyteen.hactrn.net (cyteen.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:210:5aff:fe86:1f54]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0483A67B3 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (thrintun.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:219:d1ff:fe12:5d30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "thrintun.hactrn.net", Issuer "Grunchweather Associates" (verified OK)) by cyteen.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C55B28441 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 23:53:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by thrintun.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA40F22808 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:53:17 -0400 From: Rob Austein To: dns-dir@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <201009131301.o8DD1VT8024641@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <20100913130817.6B6D522808@thrintun.hactrn.net> <4C8E320F.3030109@ogud.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/21.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20100917235317.DA40F22808@thrintun.hactrn.net> Subject: Re: [dns-dir] "Bonjour" protocol doc suite X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 23:53:00 -0000 At Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:01:07 +0200, rdroms ietf wrote: > > Did you mean "reuse of DNS" is emotional while the .local issue is technical? olafur can speak for himself, but no, the statement as olafur wrote it was correct. stuart (aided and abetted by bill manning, who knows better but enjoys making this kind of trouble) has insisted all along that what is now called bonjour is just dns using multicast addresses. it's not, and never has been. it's a protocol that fills some of the same tasks and uses the same packet formats, but the scope is different, and several of the fundamental concepts are very different (eg, the notion of "authority" in the dns sense, the notion that any particular question has a single answer regardless of which server you ask, etc). stuart pretty much recognized this when he agreed to move bonjour to a different port, which was, for me, the non-negotiable point. on a different port, it's weird and confusing and wrong that he insists on pretending this is dns, but it's not likely to interact with normal dns unless an implementor does something stupid; if he had left it on the same port, it would have been actively harmful, because we would have had multiple protocols using the same packet format on the same port with different semantics. joking aside, i was not seriously proposing to challenge stuart's words on the topic, because he long since yielded the point where it really mattered (the port number). the remaining technical issue is that "unless an implementor does something stupid" caveat. because bonjour (and the ietf flavored version of mdns, which is slightly different) use the same data formats to accomplish some of the same tasks, there is some danger of information leakage between the two. to date, i am not aware of this problem appearing in the wild, apparently because implementors to date have refrained from being stupid, for which i am grateful. but it is a technical issue, and an ongoing risk. while i do not disagree with the issues people have raised regarding .local, .sink.arpa, .belkin, etc, they are mostly issues at layers 9 and above. at the technical level, all that really matters is that implementations agree on a suffix and that the suffix is not used for other purposes in ways that cause protocol confusion. the rights and wrongs and precedents of whether a particular suffix was properly allocated, was stolen, or was defensively allocated in response to market share blackmail are layer 9+ issues (and not for the first time either -- 127.0.0.0/8 is reserved because ucb stole it, iana allocated it retroactively to avoid interop problems). none of which is a request for anybody to do anything, just trying to answer ralph's question. From ogud@ogud.com Mon Sep 20 06:46:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074583A6890 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:46:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.593 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.593 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.483, BAYES_05=-1.11, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uISCLdaU1kff for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA5D3A68E3 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o8KDkjQr047420 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:46:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-ID: <4C9765C3.7000204@ogud.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:46:43 -0400 From: Olafur Gudmundsson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100825 Thunderbird/3.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dns-dir@ietf.org References: <201009131301.o8DD1VT8024641@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <20100913130817.6B6D522808@thrintun.hactrn.net> <4C8E320F.3030109@ogud.com> <20100917235317.DA40F22808@thrintun.hactrn.net> In-Reply-To: <20100917235317.DA40F22808@thrintun.hactrn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: Re: [dns-dir] "Bonjour" protocol doc suite X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:46:25 -0000 On 17/09/2010 7:53 PM, Rob Austein wrote: > At Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:01:07 +0200, rdroms ietf wrote: >> >> Did you mean "reuse of DNS" is emotional while the .local issue is technical? > > olafur can speak for himself, but no, the statement as olafur wrote it > was correct. The issue of TLD names is emotional and Layer-9, The issue of reuse of DNS packet format is the technical discussion. > > stuart (aided and abetted by bill manning, who knows better but enjoys > making this kind of trouble) has insisted all along that what is now > called bonjour is just dns using multicast addresses. it's not, and > never has been. it's a protocol that fills some of the same tasks and > uses the same packet formats, but the scope is different, and several > of the fundamental concepts are very different (eg, the notion of > "authority" in the dns sense, the notion that any particular question > has a single answer regardless of which server you ask, etc). The analogy I like to draw is that DNS is centralized name registration with "constant" answers. MDNS is somewhere between anarchy and loose-cooperation. IMHO both have their place. Olafur From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Tue Sep 21 02:51:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B180C3A69A8 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:51:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.103 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.496, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iWQmmPVDd9dg for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16DE3A6968 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so4709973qwc.31 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:51:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=NpkNKb2YmEhZyP0wDNu2YxBFz5ZEYfU9Pye9eCcXlAM=; b=JukqXAhN/0+HsZnCGEKEkzVSK6uOuezHZOfAY85/NFiUlD1o4H9mhRgRO6QwDRGvZC G85DnBhWGqXXiTOUYw5321BrG9IpVix1gS7MK3XMM1WgaD+/Sp7I5puOmKB+KxvzpnjC xSfrp5pyGpV0rBUgU4eN1nqTHnZCCJ9cxAoqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=gBEAXnGPfYht6Hx/d16fl6xIorqoRqDuUD2xgawtzV95KVZpBJ129zmJTfnmWsv9ZH 4AkhaoxSnmlDsTrOTugmm429iBaeSjIcVClamBa9Pct2ogmcNSuh/U4dHglR1KAUpDVe MQyw9rJ8pOq25FcDgP/r9G00iXnIEWNIdHOeg= Received: by 10.224.71.209 with SMTP id i17mr6694616qaj.282.1285062706482; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bxb-rdroms-8714.cisco.com (198-135-0-233.cisco.com [198.135.0.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t18sm8817959qco.8.2010.09.21.02.51.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <4C9765C3.7000204@ogud.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 05:51:42 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <201009131301.o8DD1VT8024641@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <20100913130817.6B6D522808@thrintun.hactrn.net> <4C8E320F.3030109@ogud.com> <20100917235317.DA40F22808@thrintun.hactrn.net> <4C9765C3.7000204@ogud.com> To: Olafur Gudmundsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: IETF DNS Directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] "Bonjour" protocol doc suite X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:51:26 -0000 Thanks, Olafur, Rob, and all for your responses. I haven't read anything that suggests I should not put the docs back = into IETF last call and IESG review in their current state. Do I have = that right? - Ralph On Sep 20, 2010, at 9:46 AM 9/20/10, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > On 17/09/2010 7:53 PM, Rob Austein wrote: >> At Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:01:07 +0200, rdroms ietf wrote: >>>=20 >>> Did you mean "reuse of DNS" is emotional while the .local issue is = technical? >>=20 >> olafur can speak for himself, but no, the statement as olafur wrote = it >> was correct. >=20 > The issue of TLD names is emotional and Layer-9, > The issue of reuse of DNS packet format is the technical discussion. >=20 >>=20 >> stuart (aided and abetted by bill manning, who knows better but = enjoys >> making this kind of trouble) has insisted all along that what is now >> called bonjour is just dns using multicast addresses. it's not, and >> never has been. it's a protocol that fills some of the same tasks = and >> uses the same packet formats, but the scope is different, and several >> of the fundamental concepts are very different (eg, the notion of >> "authority" in the dns sense, the notion that any particular question >> has a single answer regardless of which server you ask, etc). >=20 > The analogy I like to draw is that DNS is centralized name = registration with "constant" answers. > MDNS is somewhere between anarchy and loose-cooperation. > IMHO both have their place. >=20 > Olafur > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Tue Sep 21 03:04:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43B93A695B for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:04:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.351 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.351 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.248, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S6iT6rYgBr0r for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8175D3A6968 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so4718653qwc.31 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:04:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=PSmft3zrf0mLlvaF0uBM+ZGIWq5GI9PbZXNvbAzPQTs=; b=qEXM/r2GaMkzy0WPk8vOUMKlRV6LDfmBk4bX6VnOmRdN/A0DQbkzotgewMrD6BRNQE JEaoLrRLyzOAXW13B0EEDPCFC3nGzdhz0Nmo6ccgr6oPKqN+uolRDS7JkKbxbawQTz5v FvxesfKFr49YXKWQmH9CvUP4rsAQCbatwr7lY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=wFmgNwgsHW1Gs2MtqZX97drV238mqxZC5rPUBhYg27mUi/zCW/Uu0J/lIHDxdsLG6a el+BCYXpanguLSbdGo7gkRq0XK6xxis3kahtHmkSx9KSStv/nkdcPlZe9RnEdGNQiZ2S dBw2vGwTqe73p3PiZGiARepnZNTL8G/lihfmk= Received: by 10.224.29.14 with SMTP id o14mr3672096qac.343.1285063499649; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bxb-rdroms-8714.cisco.com (198-135-0-233.cisco.com [198.135.0.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t4sm8706761qcs.28.2010.09.21.03.04.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 21 Sep 2010 03:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <20100917235317.DA40F22808@thrintun.hactrn.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:04:56 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <75793A23-3F55-4CA3-A78C-79E7A4748CE1@gmail.com> References: <201009131301.o8DD1VT8024641@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <20100913130817.6B6D522808@thrintun.hactrn.net> <4C8E320F.3030109@ogud.com> <20100917235317.DA40F22808@thrintun.hactrn.net> To: Rob Austein X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: IETF Directorate DNS Subject: Re: [dns-dir] "Bonjour" protocol doc suite X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:04:38 -0000 Rob - thanks for taking the time to write your detailed response. =20 Is there any general or specific advice that should be written down = somewhere to address this concern: i am not aware of this problem appearing in the wild, apparently because implementors to date have refrained from being stupid, for which i am grateful. There are some technical aspects to the discussion of .local, = .sink.arpa, .belkin that don't block the "Bonjour" docs from going = forward. .sink.arpa., in particular, is in discussion between the IESG = and the IAB, but doesn't really have any impact here. - Ralph On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:53 PM 9/17/10, Rob Austein wrote: > At Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:01:07 +0200, rdroms ietf wrote: >>=20 >> Did you mean "reuse of DNS" is emotional while the .local issue is = technical? >=20 > olafur can speak for himself, but no, the statement as olafur wrote it > was correct. >=20 > stuart (aided and abetted by bill manning, who knows better but enjoys > making this kind of trouble) has insisted all along that what is now > called bonjour is just dns using multicast addresses. it's not, and > never has been. it's a protocol that fills some of the same tasks and > uses the same packet formats, but the scope is different, and several > of the fundamental concepts are very different (eg, the notion of > "authority" in the dns sense, the notion that any particular question > has a single answer regardless of which server you ask, etc). >=20 > stuart pretty much recognized this when he agreed to move bonjour to a > different port, which was, for me, the non-negotiable point. on a > different port, it's weird and confusing and wrong that he insists on > pretending this is dns, but it's not likely to interact with normal > dns unless an implementor does something stupid; if he had left it on > the same port, it would have been actively harmful, because we would > have had multiple protocols using the same packet format on the same > port with different semantics. joking aside, i was not seriously > proposing to challenge stuart's words on the topic, because he long > since yielded the point where it really mattered (the port number). >=20 > the remaining technical issue is that "unless an implementor does > something stupid" caveat. because bonjour (and the ietf flavored > version of mdns, which is slightly different) use the same data > formats to accomplish some of the same tasks, there is some danger of > information leakage between the two. to date, i am not aware of this > problem appearing in the wild, apparently because implementors to date > have refrained from being stupid, for which i am grateful. but it is > a technical issue, and an ongoing risk. >=20 > while i do not disagree with the issues people have raised regarding > .local, .sink.arpa, .belkin, etc, they are mostly issues at layers 9 > and above. at the technical level, all that really matters is that > implementations agree on a suffix and that the suffix is not used for > other purposes in ways that cause protocol confusion. the rights and > wrongs and precedents of whether a particular suffix was properly > allocated, was stolen, or was defensively allocated in response to > market share blackmail are layer 9+ issues (and not for the first time > either -- 127.0.0.0/8 is reserved because ucb stole it, iana allocated > it retroactively to avoid interop problems). >=20 > none of which is a request for anybody to do anything, just trying to > answer ralph's question. > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From olaf@NLnetLabs.nl Wed Sep 22 06:34:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69A83A68CC for ; 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charset=us-ascii From: Olaf Kolkman In-Reply-To: <75793A23-3F55-4CA3-A78C-79E7A4748CE1@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:34:39 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <84790C6B-6376-4701-8D94-978AD9768AA1@NLnetLabs.nl> References: <201009131301.o8DD1VT8024641@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <20100913130817.6B6D522808@thrintun.hactrn.net> <4C8E320F.3030109@ogud.com> <20100917235317.DA40F22808@thrintun.hactrn.net> <75793A23-3F55-4CA3-A78C-79E7A4748CE1@gmail.com> To: Ralph Droms X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::53]); Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:34:40 +0200 (CEST) Cc: IETF Directorate DNS Subject: Re: [dns-dir] "Bonjour" protocol doc suite X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:34:23 -0000 On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Ralph Droms wrote: > Rob - thanks for taking the time to write your detailed response. =20 >=20 > Is there any general or specific advice that should be written down = somewhere to address this concern: >=20 > i am not aware of this > problem appearing in the wild, apparently because implementors to = date > have refrained from being stupid, for which i am grateful. >=20 > There are some technical aspects to the discussion of .local, = .sink.arpa, .belkin that don't block the "Bonjour" docs from going = forward. .sink.arpa., in particular, is in discussion between the IESG = and the IAB, but doesn't really have any impact here. >=20 That would be my assessment as well. And FWIW we are discussing = sink.arpa --Olaf ________________________________________________________=20 Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs Science Park 140,=20 http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ 1098 XG Amsterdam From ogud@ogud.com Wed Sep 22 11:39:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187CB3A6A92 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:39:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.328 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.328 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.271, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OEnxtU+ePQp5 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E5E3A69FB for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 11:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o8MIe0LV068746 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:40:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) To: dns-dir@ietf.org From: DNS_EARLY_WARNING Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:40:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Perl script "early-2010.pl" using Mail::Sender 0.8.16 by Jenda Krynicky, Czechlands running on localhost (127.0.0.1) under account "idmbox" Message-ID: <20100922_184000_035782.ogud@ogud.com> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.68 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: [dns-dir] DNS-EW: draft-kucherawy-dkim-atps-00.txt X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:39:36 -0000 Count: 17 Individual submission M. Kucherawy Internet-Draft Cloudmark, Inc. Intended status: Experimental September 21, 2010 Expires: March 25, 2011 DKIM Authorized Third-Party Signers draft-kucherawy-dkim-atps-00 Abstract This memo proposes an experimental proposal to supplement Domain Keys Identified Mail (DKIM) and Author Domain Signing Practices (ADSP) allowing advertisement of third-party signature authorizations on behalf of an email originator.