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Sep 2011 12:09:55 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <52FDCB6A-090C-4B2E-8020-8008D22F4235@cisco.com> References: <01450745-EF80-4518-B6B4-8C0EE5CD8139@icann.org> <20110804154927.GA32003@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110811195255.GP95640@shinkuro.com> To: Andrew Sullivan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) Cc: Joe Abley , dns directorate , "liman@netnod.se" Subject: Re: [dns-dir] draft-liman-tld-names-05, advice sought X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 20:16:58 -0000 On 11 aug 2011, at 15:52, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > I think the document should be pursued, and I think it should go on as > it currently does, on the quite correct grounds that whatever happens, > it is always possible to open the door wider later. One for me very big argument to have the limitation we have in the draft = (yes, I did write the paragraph in question and submitted it to the = authors) is: 1. I think it is GOOD to be conservative for at least one label in a = domain name. The TLDs is the only one we can control 2. We do know for example _ and other non-hostnames will exists in many = other labels than the TLDs 3. We can, as Andrew say, always open it up later if we really want to 4. For ICANN it is a good thing to lean against a strict(er) rule that = IETF comes up with for _technical_ reasons 5. [together with 1] I do like the fact that the approval of code points = that can be in something like the TLD is black and white and can be = found with for example a lookup in a table.(*) 6. One might be able to say that "technically we can allow anything, = because the *registry policy* can and should limit the characters = possible in the labels, but...in this very case I think that is simply = not really possible 7. Having a sensible *technical* discussion is very very hard as the = people that really do know the details of those (weird) characters often = are the same people that have inherently large interest to get them = approved. I.e. the discussion of whether they should be included is = based on a personal wish that they are included. And if the goal is to = have them included, well, the discussion will not stop before they are. Patrik (*) People that have followed the development of IDNA2008 do know that = some code points that are specifically tricky are context dependent. = Specifically is this true for the join control characters (i.e. = whitespace that do not take any space at all).= From joe.abley@icann.org Mon Sep 12 07:59:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C7C21F8B95 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:59:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.676 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.676 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.077, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1WBv9xvzrxFV for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXPFE100-1.exc.icann.org (expfe100-1.exc.icann.org [64.78.22.236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD0321F8B94 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org ([64.78.22.232]) by EXPFE100-1.exc.icann.org ([64.78.22.236]) with mapi; Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:01:56 -0700 From: Joe Abley To: dns directorate Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:01:54 -0700 Thread-Topic: [dns-dir] draft-liman-tld-names-05, advice sought Thread-Index: AcxxXOlZVnp0aNyZSp+gUs5a17IC4g== Message-ID: <47C0AD75-563F-47FC-8967-AA10162BEDDF@icann.org> References: <01450745-EF80-4518-B6B4-8C0EE5CD8139@icann.org> <20110804154927.GA32003@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110811195255.GP95640@shinkuro.com> <52FDCB6A-090C-4B2E-8020-8008D22F4235@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <52FDCB6A-090C-4B2E-8020-8008D22F4235@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:00:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [dns-dir] draft-liman-tld-names-05, advice sought X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:59:53 -0000 Hi all, Following up -- does the DNS Directorate have any guidance for the authors = on how to proceed? I've seen support from Andrew and Patrik, but otherwise just crickets. If there's no desire to provide guidance, then it would be good at least to= hear that. Joe On 2011-09-05, at 12:09, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: >=20 > On 11 aug 2011, at 15:52, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >=20 >> I think the document should be pursued, and I think it should go on as >> it currently does, on the quite correct grounds that whatever happens, >> it is always possible to open the door wider later. >=20 > One for me very big argument to have the limitation we have in the draft = (yes, I did write the paragraph in question and submitted it to the authors= ) is: >=20 > 1. I think it is GOOD to be conservative for at least one label in a doma= in name. The TLDs is the only one we can control >=20 > 2. We do know for example _ and other non-hostnames will exists in many o= ther labels than the TLDs >=20 > 3. We can, as Andrew say, always open it up later if we really want to >=20 > 4. For ICANN it is a good thing to lean against a strict(er) rule that IE= TF comes up with for _technical_ reasons >=20 > 5. [together with 1] I do like the fact that the approval of code points = that can be in something like the TLD is black and white and can be found w= ith for example a lookup in a table.(*) >=20 > 6. One might be able to say that "technically we can allow anything, beca= use the *registry policy* can and should limit the characters possible in t= he labels, but...in this very case I think that is simply not really possib= le >=20 > 7. Having a sensible *technical* discussion is very very hard as the peop= le that really do know the details of those (weird) characters often are th= e same people that have inherently large interest to get them approved. I.e= . the discussion of whether they should be included is based on a personal = wish that they are included. And if the goal is to have them included, well= , the discussion will not stop before they are. >=20 > Patrik >=20 > (*) People that have followed the development of IDNA2008 do know that so= me code points that are specifically tricky are context dependent. Specific= ally is this true for the join control characters (i.e. whitespace that do = not take any space at all). 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[127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948A721F8FA5 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:21:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.57 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.57 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cP+wzVvaysdB for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2390D21F8FB6 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shinkuro.com (69-196-144-227.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F028E1ECB41C for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:24:03 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: dns-dir@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110927192403.GP16696@shinkuro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [dns-dir] draft-ietf-geopriv-res-gw-lis-discovery X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:21:21 -0000 Dear colleagues, It's been suggested to me that draft-ietf-geopriv-res-gw-lis-discovery is in some need of review by DNS weenies. In particular, note its technique of walking up the reverse tree to locate the desired service. I said I'd try to drum up some reviewers. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From paf@cisco.com Thu Sep 29 00:11:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5948321F8880 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:11:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.23 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.23 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UY5xUKmMnUx9 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942C821F87C9 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:11:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=paf@cisco.com; l=3014; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1317280484; x=1318490084; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=QEqMBQ7ra4bKQA5hXy5onc52DphHQ9ds47vE8vFeP/E=; b=GdwEOxZFSGqlRoQZTUS00LAA/VMs/lFZ1eTTA0rFLA+5NC+PjNwE1ir2 jNVHYN5r66p2b7OxWPOD6ev2DwgRcMbGfyzHvdzNzLK1d2Gz9Ed85TSBM IGsu4eMN2ezsVKMUYtFzP11pA115wXewLJUDm8ReT0XjCXUEZrRr1J1yn A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EAAAahE6Q/khM/2dsb2JhbABBqAZ4gVMBAQEBAgEBAQEPAVsLBQsLGC4nMAYTIodWBpliAZ4cA4YrYQSHbItqkTw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,459,1312156800"; d="scan'208";a="56693476" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Sep 2011 07:14:43 +0000 Received: from ams3-vpn-dhcp2966.cisco.com (ams3-vpn-dhcp2966.cisco.com [10.61.75.150]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p8T7EfrG025342; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:14:42 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= In-Reply-To: <47C0AD75-563F-47FC-8967-AA10162BEDDF@icann.org> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:14:41 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <36298B27-0C6D-4035-861B-98DF3D479799@cisco.com> References: <01450745-EF80-4518-B6B4-8C0EE5CD8139@icann.org> <20110804154927.GA32003@x27.adm.denic.de> <20110811195255.GP95640@shinkuro.com> <52FDCB6A-090C-4B2E-8020-8008D22F4235@cisco.com> <47C0AD75-563F-47FC-8967-AA10162BEDDF@icann.org> To: Joe Abley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) Cc: Pete Resnick , dns directorate Subject: Re: [dns-dir] draft-liman-tld-names-05, advice sought X-BeenThere: dns-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF DNS directorate discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:11:56 -0000 Let me expand a bit by adding Pete Resnick to the bunch of people that I = think should say something here. There is a similar discussion going on regarding risk for false = positives when talking about IDN versions of TLDs which I think is = spilling over to this. And Pete is active in that discussion. Patrik On 12 sep 2011, at 18:01, Joe Abley wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > Following up -- does the DNS Directorate have any guidance for the = authors on how to proceed? >=20 > I've seen support from Andrew and Patrik, but otherwise just crickets. >=20 > If there's no desire to provide guidance, then it would be good at = least to hear that. >=20 >=20 > Joe >=20 > On 2011-09-05, at 12:09, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On 11 aug 2011, at 15:52, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >>=20 >>> I think the document should be pursued, and I think it should go on = as >>> it currently does, on the quite correct grounds that whatever = happens, >>> it is always possible to open the door wider later. >>=20 >> One for me very big argument to have the limitation we have in the = draft (yes, I did write the paragraph in question and submitted it to = the authors) is: >>=20 >> 1. I think it is GOOD to be conservative for at least one label in a = domain name. The TLDs is the only one we can control >>=20 >> 2. We do know for example _ and other non-hostnames will exists in = many other labels than the TLDs >>=20 >> 3. We can, as Andrew say, always open it up later if we really want = to >>=20 >> 4. For ICANN it is a good thing to lean against a strict(er) rule = that IETF comes up with for _technical_ reasons >>=20 >> 5. [together with 1] I do like the fact that the approval of code = points that can be in something like the TLD is black and white and can = be found with for example a lookup in a table.(*) >>=20 >> 6. One might be able to say that "technically we can allow anything, = because the *registry policy* can and should limit the characters = possible in the labels, but...in this very case I think that is simply = not really possible >>=20 >> 7. Having a sensible *technical* discussion is very very hard as the = people that really do know the details of those (weird) characters often = are the same people that have inherently large interest to get them = approved. I.e. the discussion of whether they should be included is = based on a personal wish that they are included. And if the goal is to = have them included, well, the discussion will not stop before they are. >>=20 >> Patrik >>=20 >> (*) People that have followed the development of IDNA2008 do know = that some code points that are specifically tricky are context = dependent. Specifically is this true for the join control characters = (i.e. whitespace that do not take any space at all). >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dns-dir mailing list > dns-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-dir From dromasca@avaya.com Thu Sep 29 00:15:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dns-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D657C21F8D97; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:15:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.217, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cbqCXZXCyh8D; Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 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