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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C615B0.1B1DC100-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Jan 09 22:59:14 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwAfB-0002ow-Co for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:59:14 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA28570 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwAag-0004St-0V for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:54:34 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [129.9.168.76] (helo=shvirpr4.extra.daimlerchrysler.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwAae-0004Sh-SD for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:54:32 +0000 Received: from shnavip4-hme0.shdc.chrysler.com (unknown [53.231.141.98]) by shvirpr4.extra.daimlerchrysler.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 23C1E10FB92 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from wokcdts1.is.chrysler.com ([53.230.102.252]) by shnavip4-hme0.shdc.chrysler.com (SMSSMTP 4.1.7.33) with SMTP id M2006010922542908204 for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:54:29 -0500 Received: from daimlerchrysler.com (wokcdts1.is.chrysler.com [53.230.102.252]) by wokcdts1.is.chrysler.com (8.11.7+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0A3oh415645 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:50:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C32F13.6080903@daimlerchrysler.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:50:43 -0500 From: Kevin Darcy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: draft-ietf-dnsext-wcard-clarify-10.txt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some minor editorial-type suggestions, sorry I didn't bring up sooner: 1. Is the $ORIGIN in the Section 2.2.1 master-file example really necessary? All names in the example are fully-qualified anyway, so it seems superfluous. 2. Terminally-curious minds always want to know what the response to each example query is, but it's too taxing, and I think distracting, to noodle those out for the 5 "non-synthesized" examples in Section 2.2.1. It also seems a little inconsistent to give the responses for the "synthesized" examples, but not the "non-synthesized" ones. Could a brief description of the response be given for each of those examples, i.e. QNAME=host1.example., QTYPE=MX, QCLASS=IN the response will be "no error, but no data" *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because host1.example. exists QNAME=sub.*.example., QTYPE=MX, QCLASS=IN the response will be "no error, but no data" *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because sub.*.example. exists QNAME=_telnet._tcp.host1.example., QTYPE=SRV, QCLASS=IN the response will be "no such name" *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because _tcp.host1.example. exists (without data) QNAME=host.subdel.example., QTYPE=A, QCLASS=IN the response will either be from the child zone, or will be a referral to the child zone *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because subdel.example. exists (and is a zone cut) QNAME=ghost.*.example., QTYPE=MX, QCLASS=IN the response will be "no such name" *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because *.example. exists ? (Hopefully I got those responses right). Or would that just clutter things up too much? 3. That word in the last paragraph of Section 2.2.1 should be "its" (possessive), not "it's" (contraction of "it is" or "it has"). 4. Choose either "descendant[s]" or "descendent[s]" and be consistent with the usage, at least with respect to the noun forms of the word in Section 2.2.3. If "descendant[s]" is chosen, the adjectival form in Section 4.1 should probably also be changed to conform (so that a text search will find all occurrences). - Kevin -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Jan 09 23:26:25 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwB5V-0000f8-H5 for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:26:25 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA00323 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwB2V-0005vu-7Y for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:23:19 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwB2U-0005vi-7A for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:23:18 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A4Ml7x018277; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:22:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43C32F13.6080903@daimlerchrysler.com> References: <43C32F13.6080903@daimlerchrysler.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:22:59 -0500 To: Kevin Darcy From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: draft-ietf-dnsext-wcard-clarify-10.txt Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk At 22:50 -0500 1/9/06, Kevin Darcy wrote: >Some minor editorial-type suggestions, sorry I didn't bring up sooner: > >1. Is the $ORIGIN in the Section 2.2.1 master-file example really >necessary? All names in the example are fully-qualified anyway, so >it seems superfluous. In the spirit that "we've already gone past the IETF last call, not to mention being in the 4th calendar year of this" I would prefer to only make necessary changes at this point. For one, the process of doing a simple document such as this has pushed my patience to the limit. The submission process even whines if you neglect to put in the correct year for the copyright in the boilerplate. Sorry for the rant. I like to use the $ORIGIN just to set the context. The reader knows it's a zone file coming up. That's why it was there in the first place, I think (it's been there for so many years). >2. Terminally-curious minds always want to know what the response to >each example query is, but it's too taxing, and I think distracting, >to noodle those out for the 5 "non-synthesized" examples in Section >2.2.1. It also seems a little inconsistent to give the responses for >the "synthesized" examples, but not the "non-synthesized" ones. >Could a brief description of the response be given for each of those >examples, i.e. > > QNAME=host1.example., QTYPE=MX, QCLASS=IN > the response will be "no error, but no data" > *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because >host1.example. exists > > QNAME=sub.*.example., QTYPE=MX, QCLASS=IN > the response will be "no error, but no data" > *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because >sub.*.example. exists > > QNAME=_telnet._tcp.host1.example., QTYPE=SRV, QCLASS=IN > the response will be "no such name" > *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because >_tcp.host1.example. exists (without data) > > QNAME=host.subdel.example., QTYPE=A, QCLASS=IN > the response will either be from the child zone, or >will be a referral to the child zone > *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because >subdel.example. exists (and is a zone cut) > > QNAME=ghost.*.example., QTYPE=MX, QCLASS=IN > the response will be "no such name" > *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because *.example. exists > >? (Hopefully I got those responses right). Or would that just >clutter things up too much? Admittedly it's (its) late in my day and after reading this a few times, I don't understand the issue. All I am after is showing the relationship of names to the synthesis process. I didn't want to get into RFC 2308 (NCACHE) issues, all of the potential sources of synthesis is the same - why mention it? >3. That word in the last paragraph of Section 2.2.1 should be "its" >(possessive), not "it's" (contraction of "it is" or "it has"). That's worth fixing...I never got to the its/it's lesson in school. That was on senior skip day I guess. >4. Choose either "descendant[s]" or "descendent[s]" and be >consistent with the usage, at least with respect to the noun forms >of the word in Section 2.2.3. If "descendant[s]" is chosen, the >adjectival form in Section 4.1 should probably also be changed to >conform (so that a text search will find all occurrences). Being only a native speaker and not formally educated in English (past high school), what is the difference between descendant and descendent? Tell me which is correct and I'll use that. (Where I come from, the two are pronounced the same, so I probably didn't even know they are different - especially if my spell checker accepts both.) Please don't shoot the editor. BTW, could items #3 and #4 just be done in the 48 hours? I hate dealing with the ID submission monster. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Inactionable unintelligence is bliss. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Jan 09 23:44:35 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwBN3-0005PB-6U for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:44:35 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA01396 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwBKX-0006z8-M3 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:41:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [204.152.187.5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwBKX-0006yx-2q for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:41:57 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost.isc.org [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75168E605D for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0A4fFPP067931; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:41:18 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200601100441.k0A4fFPP067931@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Edward Lewis Cc: Kevin Darcy , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: draft-ietf-dnsext-wcard-clarify-10.txt In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:22:59 CDT." Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:41:15 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk > >4. Choose either "descendant[s]" or "descendent[s]" and be > >consistent with the usage, at least with respect to the noun forms > >of the word in Section 2.2.3. If "descendant[s]" is chosen, the > >adjectival form in Section 4.1 should probably also be changed to > >conform (so that a text search will find all occurrences). > > Being only a native speaker and not formally educated in English > (past high school), what is the difference between descendant and > descendent? Tell me which is correct and I'll use that. (Where I > come from, the two are pronounced the same, so I probably didn't even > know they are different - especially if my spell checker accepts > both.) descendant (n) one decended from an ancestor; offspring. descendent (a) decending. > > Please don't shoot the editor. > > BTW, could items #3 and #4 just be done in the 48 hours? 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Kolkman" Subject: New version of draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:59:23 +0100 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-7--337426192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing-01 has just been published. The main difference between this and the previous document is that an applicability statement has been added. With this applicability statement it is thought that the underlying issue brought up during last call have been addressed. Please respond before the end of this week (Friday 17:00 CET) if you have serious issues with this modification. If there are no further comments the document will be published as is. See http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online- signing/ for details. --Olaf Co-Chair ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ --Apple-Mail-7--337426192 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. iD8DBQFDw3drtN/ca3YJIocRArqxAKCGFLf1oNfOXQ59S8PxzAIaDezwQwCggtEV 4/Ojd+8kJKXm0LIgOCbF6jc= =MZRD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-7--337426192-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 10 04:09:23 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwFVL-0002c8-Hs for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:09:23 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA16234 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwFSn-000JEO-Bo for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:06:45 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [213.154.224.1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwFSm-000JEA-LW for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:06:44 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1:211:2fff:fed7:7378]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0A96YG2098323; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:06:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) In-Reply-To: References: <43C32F13.6080903@daimlerchrysler.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-9--336995385" Message-Id: Cc: Kevin Darcy , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: Re: draft-ietf-dnsext-wcard-clarify-10.txt Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:06:34 +0100 To: Edward Lewis X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-9--336995385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > BTW, could items #3 and #4 just be done in the 48 hours? Yes. --Olaf --Apple-Mail-9--336995385 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. iD8DBQFDw3katN/ca3YJIocRAop8AKDfAz8Adnum1bEfk+7k1s032nGsYQCg+Zai VmosJ3noMbtbbHicc9ol6NI= =yQGJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-9--336995385-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 10 08:37:24 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwJgi-0005I2-NZ for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:37:24 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA02451 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:36:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwJaX-0005Vg-BI for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:31:01 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwJaW-0005VR-F0 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:31:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ADUgrr020347; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:30:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <43C32F13.6080903@daimlerchrysler.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:30:41 -0500 To: "Olaf M. Kolkman" From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: draft-ietf-dnsext-wcard-clarify-10.txt Cc: Edward Lewis , Kevin Darcy , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone else want the change #1 and/or #2? As editor, I've said that I don't think they help, but as editor, I serve the the WG's wishes. So, if there's more support for the other edits, send messages quickly. The documents are to be on an IESG agenda this week or next. At 10:06 +0100 1/10/06, Olaf M. Kolkman wrote: >> >> BTW, could items #3 and #4 just be done in the 48 hours? > >Yes. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Inactionable unintelligence is bliss. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 10 09:44:33 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwKjh-0005YB-5N for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:44:33 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA07281 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwKgV-00097G-Ny for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:41:15 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [129.6.16.227] (helo=smtp.nist.gov) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwKgU-000973-DE for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:41:14 +0000 Received: from postmark.nist.gov (pushme.nist.gov [129.6.16.92]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0AEf6I0026761 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:41:06 -0500 Received: from barnacle (barnacle.antd.nist.gov [129.6.55.185]) by postmark.nist.gov (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id k0AEei3u026862 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:40:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Scott Rose" To: "Namedroppers" Subject: RE: New version of draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:40:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: scottr@nist.gov Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I read the draft, and I don't have any issues with it going forward. I did notice that this draft is also relaxing the guidelines about the bitmap field of dynamicly generated NSEC RRs. Section 3, fourth paragraph says: "The generated NSEC record's type bitmap SHOULD have the RRSIG and NSEC bits set and SHOULD NOT have any other bits set. This relaxes the requirement in Section 2.3 of RFC4035 that NSEC RRs not appear at names that did not exist before the zone was signed." in RFC 4034 and 4035, the SHOULD(s) are MUST(s). Perhaps another sentence stating that restriction is relaxed as well. Scott **************************************** Scott Rose Adv. Network Tech. Div., NIST +1 301-975-8439 https://www-x.antd.nist.gov/dnssec/ **************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org > [mailto:owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org]On Behalf Of Olaf M. Kolkman > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:59 AM > To: Namedroppers > Subject: New version of draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing > > > > draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing-01 has just been published. > > The main difference between this and the previous document is that an > applicability statement has been added. With this applicability > statement it is thought that the underlying issue brought up during > last call have been addressed. > > Please respond before the end of this week (Friday 17:00 CET) if you > have serious issues with this modification. > > If there are no further comments the document will be published as is. > > See http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online- > signing/ for details. > > --Olaf > Co-Chair > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Olaf M. Kolkman > NLnet Labs > http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ > > > > -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 10 15:54:40 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwQVs-0001ej-Q0 for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:54:40 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07379 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwQRQ-0002km-65 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:50:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [132.151.6.50] (helo=newodin.ietf.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwQRP-0002k1-7P for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:50:03 +0000 Received: from mlee by newodin.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EwQRN-0004Yy-Nj; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:50:01 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-trustupdate-timers-02.txt Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:50:01 -0500 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Kolkman wrote: > > draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing-01 has just been published. [. . .] > If there are no further comments the document will be published as is. I have reviewed this document, and have no objections to it proceeding. -- ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 10 16:04:56 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwQfo-0004T6-7r for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:04:56 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08822 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwQdj-0003Wl-L0 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:02:47 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwQdj-0003WZ-22 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:02:47 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A431B11426 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-trustupdate-timers-02.txt In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:50:01 EST." References: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:02:46 +0000 Message-Id: <20060110210246.A431B11426@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk mike, can you tell us what differences to expect in -02? olaf, can you ask for an interrim status report on the requirements draft whose launch punctuated the key-rollover discussions at the last wg meeting? re: # Title : Automated Updates of DNSSEC Trust Anchors # Author(s) : M. StJohns # Filename : draft-ietf-dnsext-trustupdate-timers-02.txt # Pages : 13 # Date : 2006-1-10 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 10 16:16:23 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwQqs-0001Xo-Va for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:16:23 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA10267 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwQof-0004Hb-In for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:14:05 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [129.9.40.81] (helo=odvirpr4.extra.daimlerchrysler.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwQoe-0004HJ-9E for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:14:04 +0000 Received: from odnavip4-hme0.oddc.chrysler.com (unknown [53.231.99.241]) by odvirpr4.extra.daimlerchrysler.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 87A7F4AA6 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:14:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from wokcdts1.is.chrysler.com ([53.230.102.252]) by odnavip4-hme0.oddc.chrysler.com (SMSSMTP 4.1.7.33) with SMTP id M2006011016140331262 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:14:03 -0500 Received: from daimlerchrysler.com (wokcdts1.is.chrysler.com [53.230.102.252]) by wokcdts1.is.chrysler.com (8.11.7+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k0ALAG422507 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:10:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43C422B7.90502@daimlerchrysler.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:10:15 -0500 From: Kevin Darcy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: draft-ietf-dnsext-wcard-clarify-10.txt References: <43C32F13.6080903@daimlerchrysler.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Edward Lewis wrote: > At 22:50 -0500 1/9/06, Kevin Darcy wrote: > >> Some minor editorial-type suggestions, sorry I didn't bring up sooner: >> >> 1. Is the $ORIGIN in the Section 2.2.1 master-file example really >> necessary? All names in the example are fully-qualified anyway, so it >> seems superfluous. > > > In the spirit that "we've already gone past the IETF last call, not to > mention being in the 4th calendar year of this" I would prefer to only > make necessary changes at this point. > > For one, the process of doing a simple document such as this has > pushed my patience to the limit. The submission process even whines if > you neglect to put in the correct year for the copyright in the > boilerplate. > > Sorry for the rant. > > I like to use the $ORIGIN just to set the context. The reader knows > it's a zone file coming up. That's why it was there in the first > place, I think (it's been there for so many years). OK, no problem, just a suggestion. >> 2. Terminally-curious minds always want to know what the response to >> each example query is, but it's too taxing, and I think distracting, >> to noodle those out for the 5 "non-synthesized" examples in Section >> 2.2.1. It also seems a little inconsistent to give the responses for >> the "synthesized" examples, but not the "non-synthesized" ones. Could >> a brief description of the response be given for each of those >> examples, i.e. >> >> QNAME=host1.example., QTYPE=MX, QCLASS=IN >> the response will be "no error, but no data" >> *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because host1.example. exists >> >> QNAME=sub.*.example., QTYPE=MX, QCLASS=IN >> the response will be "no error, but no data" >> *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because sub.*.example. exists >> >> QNAME=_telnet._tcp.host1.example., QTYPE=SRV, QCLASS=IN >> the response will be "no such name" >> *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because _tcp.host1.example. exists >> (without data) >> >> QNAME=host.subdel.example., QTYPE=A, QCLASS=IN >> the response will either be from the child zone, or will be a >> referral to the child zone >> *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because subdel.example. exists >> (and is a zone cut) >> >> QNAME=ghost.*.example., QTYPE=MX, QCLASS=IN >> the response will be "no such name" >> *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because *.example. exists >> >> ? (Hopefully I got those responses right). Or would that just clutter >> things up too much? > > > Admittedly it's (its) late in my day and after reading this a few > times, I don't understand the issue. All I am after is showing the > relationship of names to the synthesis process. I didn't want to get > into RFC 2308 (NCACHE) issues, all of the potential sources of > synthesis is the same - why mention it? Actually, my suggestion doesn't bring up any NCACHE issues, to my knowledge. But the response-description for the zone-cut example might be a little confusing, because the response depends on whether the server in question happens to be authoritative for the child zone. I was hoping to make the document a little easier to read for those who just *have* to know the responses to the example queries, yet would rather not spend the time and mental energy to think them through. But if it introduces too much clutter, then perhaps it's better to just leave the examples the way they are. Not everyone needs to know what the responses are; synthesis or non-synthesis is the point of the examples. >> 3. That word in the last paragraph of Section 2.2.1 should be "its" >> (possessive), not "it's" (contraction of "it is" or "it has"). > > > That's worth fixing...I never got to the its/it's lesson in school. > That was on senior skip day I guess. > >> 4. Choose either "descendant[s]" or "descendent[s]" and be consistent >> with the usage, at least with respect to the noun forms of the word >> in Section 2.2.3. If "descendant[s]" is chosen, the adjectival form >> in Section 4.1 should probably also be changed to conform (so that a >> text search will find all occurrences). > > > Being only a native speaker and not formally educated in English (past > high school), what is the difference between descendant and > descendent? Tell me which is correct and I'll use that. (Where I come > from, the two are pronounced the same, so I probably didn't even know > they are different - especially if my spell checker accepts both.) I think either spelling is acceptable: it should just be consistent, that's all. If someone wants to do a text search of the document for either "descendant" or "descendent", they should get either 0 hits or all hits, depending, where 0 hits is a trigger to try the other spelling of the word. I'll note in passing that both RFC 1034 and 2672 spell it "descendant", and I couldn't find "descendent" in any of the DNS-related RFCs I glanced at. - Kevin -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 10 16:18:59 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwQtP-00041Z-FQ for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:18:59 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA10398 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwQrY-0004Xl-3W for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:17:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [81.200.64.181] (helo=shell-ng.nominum.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwQrX-0004XV-EE for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:17:03 +0000 Received: from STJOHNS-LAPTOP2.nominum.com (shell-ng.nominum.com [81.200.64.181]) by shell-ng.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9705691C; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:17:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Mike.StJohns@nominum.com) Message-Id: <7.0.0.10.2.20060110161645.039cd8c8@nominum.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.10 (Beta) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:18:04 -0500 To: Paul Vixie , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mike StJohns Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-trustupdate-timers-02.txt In-Reply-To: <20060110210246.A431B11426@sa.vix.com> References: <20060110210246.A431B11426@sa.vix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Check the intro - the changes are enumerated there. Basically, this deals with the id nits and also adds section dealing with what happens when you revoke all the trust anchors at a trust point. Mike At 04:02 PM 1/10/2006, Paul Vixie wrote: >mike, can you tell us what differences to expect in -02? > >olaf, can you ask for an interrim status report on the requirements draft >whose launch punctuated the key-rollover discussions at the last wg meeting? > >re: > ># Title : Automated Updates of DNSSEC Trust Anchors ># Author(s) : M. StJohns ># Filename : draft-ietf-dnsext-trustupdate-timers-02.txt ># Pages : 13 ># Date : 2006-1-10 > >-- >to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with >the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >archive: -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 10 16:23:04 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwQxM-0004dt-3S for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:23:04 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA10565 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwQvq-0004uJ-HI for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:21:30 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [81.200.64.181] (helo=shell-ng.nominum.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwQvp-0004u8-Tg for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:21:29 +0000 Received: from STJOHNS-LAPTOP2.nominum.com (shell-ng.nominum.com [81.200.64.181]) by shell-ng.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195E85691C; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:21:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Mike.StJohns@nominum.com) Message-Id: <7.0.0.10.2.20060110162219.03fc5488@nominum.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.10 (Beta) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:22:30 -0500 To: Paul Vixie , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mike StJohns Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-trustupdate-timers-02.txt In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.10.2.20060110161645.039cd8c8@nominum.com> References: <20060110210246.A431B11426@sa.vix.com> <7.0.0.10.2.20060110161645.039cd8c8@nominum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk See also - http://www1.tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-trustupdate-timers/draft-ietf-dnsext-trustupdate-timers-02-from-01.diff.html At 04:18 PM 1/10/2006, Mike StJohns wrote: >Check the intro - the changes are enumerated there. Basically, this >deals with the id nits and also adds section dealing with what >happens when you revoke all the trust anchors at a trust point. > >Mike > > >At 04:02 PM 1/10/2006, Paul Vixie wrote: >>mike, can you tell us what differences to expect in -02? >> >>olaf, can you ask for an interrim status report on the requirements draft >>whose launch punctuated the key-rollover discussions at the last wg meeting? >> >>re: >> >># Title : Automated Updates of DNSSEC Trust Anchors >># Author(s) : M. StJohns >># Filename : draft-ietf-dnsext-trustupdate-timers-02.txt >># Pages : 13 >># Date : 2006-1-10 >> >>-- >>to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with >>the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >>archive: -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 10 16:31:59 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwR5y-0007fx-TP for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:31:59 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA11041 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwR48-0005Yc-AH for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:30:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwR47-0005Xp-Dj for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:30:03 +0000 Received: from [10.31.32.215] (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ALTqjU030524; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:29:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:28:00 -0500 To: Namedroppers From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: New version of draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing Cc: ed.lewis@neustar.biz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Reading from: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing-01.txt Section 1 has this... What is an 'instantiated name' ? Do you mean a name that has at least one resource record set? Section 2 has this... Due to these concerns, this technique should only be used when the need to avoid exposure of zone contents is overwhelming. I want to be more precise than "overwhelming." I suggest this as a replacement. (I will add that could probably undergo further grammatical review.) The technique is should only be used when damage caused by the systemic exposure of the zone contents is greater than the damage that could be incurred by either an abuse of the signing process (denial of service) resulting the zone becoming unavailable or a loss of confidentiality of the signing key resulting in forged responses. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Inactionable unintelligence is bliss. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 10 16:32:16 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwR6G-0007gb-Ih for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:32:16 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA11056 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:30:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwR4I-0005ZP-I5 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:30:14 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwR4H-0005ZC-JJ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:30:13 +0000 Received: from [10.31.32.215] (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0ALTqjW030524; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:29:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43C422B7.90502@daimlerchrysler.com> References: <43C32F13.6080903@daimlerchrysler.com> <43C422B7.90502@daimlerchrysler.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:29:47 -0500 To: Kevin Darcy From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: draft-ietf-dnsext-wcard-clarify-10.txt Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk In summary, okay...I'll put these changes into the 48 hours as the IESG is supposed to review the -10 document as is. Hopefully I'll remember these changes when the time comes. ;) At 16:10 -0500 1/10/06, Kevin Darcy wrote: >Edward Lewis wrote: > >> At 22:50 -0500 1/9/06, Kevin Darcy wrote: >> >>> Some minor editorial-type suggestions, sorry I didn't bring up sooner: >>> >>> 1. Is the $ORIGIN in the Section 2.2.1 master-file example really >>>necessary? All names in the example are fully-qualified anyway, so >>>it seems superfluous. >> >> >> In the spirit that "we've already gone past the IETF last call, >>not to mention being in the 4th calendar year of this" I would >>prefer to only make necessary changes at this point. >> >> For one, the process of doing a simple document such as this has >>pushed my patience to the limit. The submission process even whines >>if you neglect to put in the correct year for the copyright in the >>boilerplate. >> >> Sorry for the rant. >> >> I like to use the $ORIGIN just to set the context. The reader >>knows it's a zone file coming up. That's why it was there in the >>first place, I think (it's been there for so many years). > >OK, no problem, just a suggestion. > >>> 2. Terminally-curious minds always want to know what the response >>>to each example query is, but it's too taxing, and I think >>>distracting, to noodle those out for the 5 "non-synthesized" >>>examples in Section 2.2.1. It also seems a little inconsistent to >>>give the responses for the "synthesized" examples, but not the >>>"non-synthesized" ones. Could a brief description of the response >>>be given for each of those examples, i.e. >>> >>> QNAME=host1.example., QTYPE=MX, QCLASS=IN >>> the response will be "no error, but no data" >>> *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because host1.example. exists >>> >>> QNAME=sub.*.example., QTYPE=MX, QCLASS=IN >>> the response will be "no error, but no data" >>> *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because sub.*.example. exists >>> >>> QNAME=_telnet._tcp.host1.example., QTYPE=SRV, QCLASS=IN >>> the response will be "no such name" >>> *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because _tcp.host1.example. >>>exists (without data) >>> >>> QNAME=host.subdel.example., QTYPE=A, QCLASS=IN >>> the response will either be from the child zone, or will be a >>>referral to the child zone >>> *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because subdel.example. exists >>>(and is a zone cut) >>> >>> QNAME=ghost.*.example., QTYPE=MX, QCLASS=IN >>> the response will be "no such name" >>> *.example. synthesizes no wildcard because *.example. exists >>> >>> ? (Hopefully I got those responses right). Or would that just >>>clutter things up too much? >> >> >> Admittedly it's (its) late in my day and after reading this a few >>times, I don't understand the issue. All I am after is showing the >>relationship of names to the synthesis process. I didn't want to >>get into RFC 2308 (NCACHE) issues, all of the potential sources of >>synthesis is the same - why mention it? > >Actually, my suggestion doesn't bring up any NCACHE issues, to my >knowledge. But the response-description for the zone-cut example >might be a little confusing, because the response depends on whether >the server in question happens to be authoritative for the child >zone. > >I was hoping to make the document a little easier to read for those >who just *have* to know the responses to the example queries, yet >would rather not spend the time and mental energy to think them >through. But if it introduces too much clutter, then perhaps it's >better to just leave the examples the way they are. Not everyone >needs to know what the responses are; synthesis or non-synthesis is >the point of the examples. > >>> 3. That word in the last paragraph of Section 2.2.1 should be >>>"its" (possessive), not "it's" (contraction of "it is" or "it >>>has"). >> >> >> That's worth fixing...I never got to the its/it's lesson in >>school. That was on senior skip day I guess. >> >>> 4. Choose either "descendant[s]" or "descendent[s]" and be >>>consistent with the usage, at least with respect to the noun forms >>>of the word in Section 2.2.3. If "descendant[s]" is chosen, the >>>adjectival form in Section 4.1 should probably also be changed to >>>conform (so that a text search will find all occurrences). >> >> >> Being only a native speaker and not formally educated in English >>(past high school), what is the difference between descendant and >>descendent? Tell me which is correct and I'll use that. (Where I >>come from, the two are pronounced the same, so I probably didn't >>even know they are different - especially if my spell checker >>accepts both.) > >I think either spelling is acceptable: it should just be consistent, >that's all. If someone wants to do a text search of the document for >either "descendant" or "descendent", they should get either 0 hits >or all hits, depending, where 0 hits is a trigger to try the other >spelling of the word. I'll note in passing that both RFC 1034 and >2672 spell it "descendant", and I couldn't find "descendent" in any >of the DNS-related RFCs I glanced at. > >- Kevin > > >-- >to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with >the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >archive: -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Inactionable unintelligence is bliss. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 10 17:48:40 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwSIC-00036X-4h for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:48:40 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA15829 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwSFU-0009NK-PA for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:45:52 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [65.201.175.9] (helo=mail.verisignlabs.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwSFS-0009N6-BJ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:45:50 +0000 Received: from [10.131.244.197] ([::ffff:216.168.239.87]) (AUTH: PLAIN davidb, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,RC4-SHA) by mail.verisignlabs.com with esmtp; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:45:48 -0500 id 0062C02B.43C4391C.00003CA1 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <906D3C28-C38F-4E17-AAA3-5CD0BCF32837@verisignlabs.com> Cc: DNSEXT WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Blacka Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-ds-sha256-03.txt Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:45:46 -0500 To: Wes Hardaker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A minor issue with this version: In section 6.1, "The DS record with the SHA-256 digest fails to match the signature computed using the child zone's DNSKEY" isn't quite right -- DS records don't match signatures, they match digests. I suggest using the same terminology from the preceding sentence. That is: The DS record with the SHA-256 digest fails to match the digest computed using the child zone's DNSKEY. Other than that, I think that this document is in good shape. -- David Blacka Sr. Engineer VeriSign Applied Research -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 10 18:06:01 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwSYy-0008Gq-PE for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:06:01 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA17570 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwSWa-000AL4-L5 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:03:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [65.201.175.9] (helo=mail.verisignlabs.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwSWY-000AKe-9A for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:03:30 +0000 Received: from [10.131.244.197] ([::ffff:216.168.239.87]) (AUTH: PLAIN davidb, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,RC4-SHA) by mail.verisignlabs.com with esmtp; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:03:29 -0500 id 0062C031.43C43D41.00003FDF In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Namedroppers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Blacka Subject: Re: New version of draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:03:27 -0500 To: Edward Lewis , Sam Weiler X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 10, 2006, at 4:28 PM, Edward Lewis wrote: > > Section 2 has this... > > Due to > these concerns, this technique should only be used when the need to > avoid exposure of zone contents is overwhelming. > > I want to be more precise than "overwhelming." I suggest this as a > replacement. (I will add that could probably undergo further > grammatical review.) > > The technique is should only be used when damage caused by the > systemic exposure of the zone contents is greater than the damage > that could be incurred by either an abuse of the signing process > (denial of service) resulting the zone becoming unavailable or a > loss of confidentiality of the signing key resulting in forged > responses. I, too, don't particularly like that sentence in the document, but I think it would be easier to just delete it. I would also delete the last sentence in section 2. As much as I think the caveats in section 2 and section 6 are all true, I actually think the current version of the document is actually too defensive. In general, I'm a little uncomfortable publishing drafts that say, essentially, "don't use me!". Instead, they should list all of the known concerns and let the reader make the decision if the costs and risks are acceptable. So, to let the online-signing document actually stand up for itself, I suggest that, in section 2: Due to these concerns, this technique should only be used when the need to avoid exposure of zone contents is overwhelming. should be deleted. In the sentence This technique is likely to expose slightly more information about the zone than this technique (e.g. the number of instantiated names), but it will still likely be preferable to this technique. I suggesting changing it to "..., but it may be preferable to this technique." And the last sentence Anyone contemplating use of this technique is strongly encouraged to look for such future innovations. should be deleted as well. -- David Blacka Sr. Engineer VeriSign Applied Research -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 10 22:30:00 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwWgS-0005Yf-BZ for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:30:00 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA06796 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwWbM-000NkV-OF for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:24:44 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwWbL-000Njv-TC for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:24:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0B3OU2g031741; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:24:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:24:35 -0500 To: David Blacka From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: New version of draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing Cc: Edward Lewis , Sam Weiler , Namedroppers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk At 18:03 -0500 1/10/06, David Blacka wrote: >In general, I'm a little uncomfortable publishing drafts that say, >essentially, >"don't use me!". Instead, they should list all of the known concerns and let >the reader make the decision if the costs and risks are acceptable. Good point. ... >And the last sentence > > Anyone contemplating use of this technique is strongly encouraged to look for > such future innovations. > >should be deleted as well. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C61691.8EE3CA80-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Jan 11 11:47:32 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewj8F-0003OY-Va for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:47:32 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA25502 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:46:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ewj32-000CZA-JQ for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:42:08 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HEADER_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [213.154.224.1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ewj31-000CYq-2C for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:42:07 +0000 Received: from open.nlnetlabs.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BGg4U5039098 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:42:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from namemod@open.nlnetlabs.nl) Received: (from namemod@localhost) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k0BGg4hm039097 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:42:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from namemod) Received: from [213.248.199.23] (helo=mx3.nominet.org.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwhRT-00070y-3x for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:59:15 +0000 Received: from staff.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.199.129]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2006 14:59:13 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,355,1131321600"; d="scan'208"; a="2450454:sNHT24653276" Received: (from geoff@localhost) by staff.nominet.org.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) id k0BExD9H018829 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:59:13 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:59:13 GMT From: Geoffrey Sisson Message-Id: <200601111459.k0BExD9H018829@staff.nominet.org.uk> To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: NSEC3 Testing Mailing List Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk With the massive amount of spam, it is easy to miss and therefore delete relevant posts by non-subscribers. Please fix your subscription addresses. ] I've set up a mailing list for discussion about testing of the proposed NSEC3 resource record. To subscribe, please visit: http://www.nsec3.org/mailman/listinfo/nsec3-testing or send a message to nsec3-testing-request@nsec3.org with the word "subscribe" alone in the subject line or message body. Initial discussion will be focused on the development of a test plan. Note that this list is specifically for discussion about _testing_; namedroppers should still be used for general discussion of NSEC3. Regards Geoff -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Jan 11 12:05:25 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwjPZ-00025o-Pr for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:05:25 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA26945 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwjN8-000Dn8-67 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:02:54 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [213.248.199.23] (helo=mx3.nominet.org.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwjN7-000Dmw-Cc for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:02:53 +0000 Received: from staff.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.199.129]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 11 Jan 2006 17:02:52 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,356,1131321600"; d="scan'208"; a="2451038:sNHT25161324" Received: (from geoff@localhost) by staff.nominet.org.uk (8.12.9/8.12.9) id k0BH2pDc019021; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:02:51 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:02:51 GMT From: Geoffrey Sisson Message-Id: <200601111702.k0BH2pDc019021@staff.nominet.org.uk> To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: NSEC3 Testing Mailing List In-Reply-To: <200601111459.k0BExD9H018829@staff.nominet.org.uk> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk > With the massive amount of spam, it is easy to miss and therefore > delete relevant posts by non-sub-scribers. > Please fix your sub-scription addresses. ] Please igore the first three lines of this message. It appears to be cruft that was introduced by namedropper's moderation software. :( Geoff -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Jan 11 12:21:15 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ewjet-00068s-Ky for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:21:15 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28219 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ewjbb-000EjA-Hl for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:17:51 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [213.154.224.1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ewjba-000Eiu-BR for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:17:50 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1:211:2fff:fed7:7378]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0BHHhj9039586; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:17:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) In-Reply-To: <200601111702.k0BH2pDc019021@staff.nominet.org.uk> References: <200601111702.k0BH2pDc019021@staff.nominet.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-8--221133098" Message-Id: Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: Re: NSEC3 Testing Mailing List Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:17:36 +0100 To: Geoffrey Sisson X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-8--221133098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 11, 2006, at 17:02 , Geoffrey Sisson wrote: >> With the massive amount of spam, it is easy to miss and therefore >> delete relevant posts by non-sub-scribers. >> Please fix your sub-scription addresses. ] > > Please igore the first three lines of this message. It appears to be > cruft that was introduced by namedropper's moderation software. :( > Ack, my error, apologies. To be precise. The initial message bounced because majordomo thought it had badly formatted commands (subscribe and unsubsrcibe). I quickly hacked the approve script to not show the usual moderation message but misplaced a comment thereby dropping part of the moderation message. --Olaf Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ --Apple-Mail-8--221133098 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. iD8DBQFDxT23tN/ca3YJIocRAoFPAJ0SEQEBuY8953OjiNxeHEvtioQ1HACcDQFt /Be/aEa2QOKEKh4NCxn+kLg= =lqAk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-8--221133098-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Jan 11 21:02:24 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EwrnE-0005SZ-HT for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:02:24 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA06141 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwrhS-000GGO-PR for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:56:26 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [128.9.160.161] (helo=boreas.isi.edu) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EwrhS-000GGD-4k for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:56:26 +0000 Received: from ISI.EDU (adma.isi.edu [128.9.160.239]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.11.6p2+0917/8.11.2) with ESMTP id k0C1sWi08005; Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:54:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200601120154.k0C1sWi08005@boreas.isi.edu> To: ietf-announce@ietf.org Subject: RFC 4343 on Domain Name System (DNS) Case Insensitivity Clarification Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=NextPart Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:54:32 -0800 X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: rfc-ed@isi.edu Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk --NextPart A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 4343 Title: Domain Name System (DNS) Case Insensitivity Clarification Author(s): D. Eastlake 3rd Status: Standards Track Date: January 2006 Mailbox: Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com Pages: 10 Characters: 22899 Updates: 1034, 1035, 2181 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-dnsext-insensitive-06.txt URL: ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc4343.txt Domain Name System (DNS) names are "case insensitive". This document explains exactly what that means and provides a clear specification of the rules. This clarification updates RFCs 1034, 1035, and 2181. This document is a product of the DNS Extensions Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. This document specifies an Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the "Internet Official Protocol Standards" (STD 1) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant Mail Reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the RFCs. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="RFC-INFO@RFC-EDITOR.ORG" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <060111175326.RFC@RFC-EDITOR.ORG> RETRIEVE: rfc DOC-ID: rfc4343 --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="rfc4343.txt"; site="ftp.isi.edu"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="in-notes" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <060111175326.RFC@RFC-EDITOR.ORG> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 12 08:52:35 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ex2sU-0003SM-SI for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:52:35 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA18494 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex2ny-0002uM-JS for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:47:54 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [213.154.224.1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex2nx-0002u7-4h for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:47:53 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::53]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0CDlgES060934; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:47:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) In-Reply-To: References: <43C32F13.6080903@daimlerchrysler.com> <43C422B7.90502@daimlerchrysler.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-37--147328245" Message-Id: Cc: Kevin Darcy , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: Re: draft-ietf-dnsext-wcard-clarify-10.txt Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:47:41 +0100 To: Edward Lewis X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-37--147328245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 10, 2006, at 22:29 , Edward Lewis wrote: > In summary, okay...I'll put these changes into the 48 hours as the > IESG is supposed to review the -10 document as is. I read this as #3 and #4 to be changed in AUTH48 (which is OK) I have not seen consensus being build up to change #1 and #2 I propose that if we do not see others standing up for these proposed changes by end of Monday next week we declare there is no consensus. #1 and #2 would not be items that can be fixed in auth 48. --Olaf Co-Chair ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. 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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C61675.0C6729B0-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 12 11:13:17 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ex54f-0000Q8-1a for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:13:17 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA27847 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex50U-000ANs-RQ for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:08:58 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex50T-000ANg-Gb for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:08:57 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CG8ooi044131 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:08:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20060112110208.04641410@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:08:44 -0500 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Subject: DNSEXT Document Review: LLMNR-45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Colleagues In http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2005/msg01251.html our AD, Margaret Wasserman summarized the IETF Last Call and provided the reasons why LLMNR should not be forwarded to the IESG. She asked the DNSEXT working group to resolve the issues and suggested a new IETF last call when the issues where addressed. Note that after posting of the above mail there was significant discussion on the IETF list. Below are the issues brought up by Margaret: (1) Concerns that publication of this protocol will be confusing or actively harmful given the existing wide deployment of Apple's mDNS protocol. (2) Security concerns have been raised about the fact that applications on hosts that implement LLMNR will not be able to tell if a response has come from the DNS or from a local lookup. (3) Separate, but perhaps underlying both of the previous issues, there seems be a fundamental disagreement about what technical approach we should take to link-local name lookup. LLMNR takes the approach that local lookups should use the same names as global lookups and that upper layers should not care whether a name was resolved in the global DNS or locally, essentially making the local lookup mechanism an extension of the DNS. mDNS takes the approach that local lookups should be distinguishable from global lookups and accomplishes this through the use of a special local domain (.local). Bernard argued in=20 http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37767.html that points 1 and 2 are resolver and API issues respectively. Since the start of the IETF last call (LLMNR-42),=20 Bernard has updated the document 3 times, The current version is available at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-mdns-45.txt the diff=B4s are available at: = http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-mdns/draft-ietf-dnsext-md= ns-43-from-42.diff.html = http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-mdns/draft-ietf-dnsext-md= ns-44-from-43.diff.html = http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-mdns/draft-ietf-dnsext-md= ns-45-from-44.diff.html These edits have been vetted through several ISSUES on the mailing-list. The issue tracker for LLMNR is at http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/DNSEXT/llmnrissues.html We are asking the working group to thoroughly review version 45. We would like to specifically ask the working group: a) that it agrees that all protocol issues have been properly addressed; b) that it supports the thought that issue 1 and 2 are indeed out of scope; c) and that Issue 3 is indeed clarified in version 0.45 of the document. If there is consensus on the fact that the answer to the 3 questions above is yes then we will forward the document to the IESG once more. If there is no consensus on one of the 3 questions (based on technical arguments) then more work needs to be done or, alternatively, we drop the work and ask Margaret to support publication as an informational RFC (please provide arguments). If we do not get sufficient feedback on this i.e. fewer than 5 people indicate they have thoroughly reviewed the document then we will inform our AD that the DNSEXT working group failed in delivering a review of chartered work and request removal of the work item. In that case we plan to suggest to the AD, that as this document has seen detailed technical review this working group will not object if this document being published as informational (unless the working group instructs us not to do so). We plan review the discussion on this item during the second week of February, please send your comments no later than on February 5'th. The DNSEXT chairs Olaf & =D3lafur -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 12 11:53:01 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ex5h7-00055Q-CR for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:53:01 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00447 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex5df-000Clu-9t for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:49:27 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex5dd-000Cle-V6 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:49:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CGnEo9044313; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:49:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20060112110208.04641410@ogud.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20060112110208.04641410@ogud.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:49:16 -0500 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson_=2FDNSEXT__co=2Dchair?= From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: DNSEXT Document Review: LLMNR-45 Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't understand this question... >We would like to specifically ask the working group: > b) that it supports the thought that issue 1 and 2 are indeed out > of scope; Not having read the draft, so I can't comment on that above, but - What difference does it make if the document=20 considers, in particular issue 1, to be out of=20 scope? Having read the arguments on issue 1, I=20 can't see the reasoning behind the IETF marking=20 as a standard a protocol that has a significant,=20 non-compatible, non-interoperable alternative in=20 the same solution space. From that aspect alone,=20 I would place this document as an Informational=20 document, not a standards track document, no=20 matter how solid it is. Whether I am applying the right metric is=20 debatable. The IETF has standardized protocols=20 while competing approaches abounded - TCP vs.=20 OSI's and DECnet's protocols. OSI never became=20 widely deployed, DECnet never really materialized=20 on other platforms. (Maybe it did, but I recall=20 putting TCP on DEC machines and not DECnet on=20 Unix machines.) But given the degree of=20 deployment of the alternative in this case, I am=20 not convinced the document has a shot at gaining=20 standards track. (If someone knows of precedents=20 to the contrary, they might change my mind.) Note that I started with "haven't read"...this is=20 not a judgement of the document but a positioning=20 of it. Further, my question is about the chair's=20 question - I am remarking that it seems not to=20 make sense to me and for guidance of what a "yes"=20 or "no" answer to it means. At 11:08 -0500 1/12/06, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT co-chair wrote: >Dear Colleagues > >In http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2005/msg01251.html >our AD, Margaret Wasserman summarized the IETF Last Call >and provided the reasons why LLMNR should not be forwarded to the >IESG. She asked the DNSEXT working group to resolve the issues and >suggested a new IETF last call when the issues where addressed. >Note that after posting of the above mail there was significant >discussion on the IETF list. > >Below are the issues brought up by Margaret: > >(1) Concerns that publication of this protocol will be confusing >or actively harmful given the existing wide deployment of Apple's >mDNS protocol. > >(2) Security concerns have been raised about the fact that >applications on hosts that implement LLMNR will not be able to >tell if a response has come from the DNS or from a local lookup. > >(3) Separate, but perhaps underlying both of the previous issues, >there seems be a fundamental disagreement about what technical >approach we should take to link-local name lookup. LLMNR takes the >approach that local lookups should use the same names as global >lookups and that upper layers should not care whether a name was >resolved in the global DNS or locally, essentially making the >local lookup mechanism an extension of the DNS. mDNS takes the >approach that local lookups should be distinguishable from global >lookups and accomplishes this through the use of a special local >domain (.local). > > >Bernard argued in=20 >http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg37767.html >that points 1 and 2 are resolver and API issues respectively. > >Since the start of the IETF last call=20 >(LLMNR-42), Bernard has updated the document 3=20 >times, >The current version is available at > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-mdns-45.txt >the diff=B4s are available at: >=20 >http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-mdns/draft-ietf-dnsext-md= ns-43-from-42.diff.html >=20 >http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-mdns/draft-ietf-dnsext-md= ns-44-from-43.diff.html >=20 >http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-mdns/draft-ietf-dnsext-md= ns-45-from-44.diff.html > >These edits have been vetted through several ISSUES on the >mailing-list. The issue tracker for LLMNR is at > http://www.drizzle.com/~aboba/DNSEXT/llmnrissues.html > >We are asking the working group to thoroughly review version 45. > >We would like to specifically ask the working group: > > a) that it agrees that all protocol issues have been properly > addressed; > b) that it supports the thought that issue 1 and 2 are indeed out > of scope; > c) and that Issue 3 is indeed clarified in version 0.45 of the > document. > >If there is consensus on the fact that the answer to the 3 >questions above is yes then we will forward the document to the >IESG once more. If there is no consensus on one of the 3 questions >(based on technical arguments) then more work needs to be done or, >alternatively, we drop the work and ask Margaret to support >publication as an informational RFC (please provide arguments). > >If we do not get sufficient feedback on this i.e. fewer than 5 >people indicate they have thoroughly reviewed the document then we >will inform our AD that the DNSEXT working group failed in >delivering a review of chartered work and request removal of the >work item. >In that case we plan to suggest to the AD, that as this document has >seen detailed technical review this working group will not >object if this document being published as informational (unless >the working group instructs us not to do so). > >We plan review the discussion on this item during the second week >of February, please send your comments no later than on February 5'th. > > The DNSEXT chairs > Olaf & =D3lafur > > >-- >to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with >the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >archive: -- -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Inactionable unintelligence is bliss. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 12 12:05:20 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ex5sx-0007J0-DJ for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:05:20 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01048 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex5ql-000Dbz-B4 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:02:59 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [217.13.230.178] (helo=yxa.extundo.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex5qj-000Db6-Av for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:02:57 +0000 Received: from latte.josefsson.org (jas@yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0CH2i5o014313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:02:45 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: IANA considerations in RFC 2538bis OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:21:060112:namedroppers@ops.ietf.org::4M6dhRsZUsDVRYXs:08Wr Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:02:13 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Dear WG: The IANA found problems in RFC 2538bis. Below is some discussion about this, and my proposal to fix things. If there are no objections to my proposal I will send my proposal to the IANA on January 20 00:00:00 CET and make sure the document is updated correspondingly during AUTH48. I've co-ordinated the size of this time window with the WG chairs. The IANA considerations in 2538bis reads: Decimal Type Meaning Reference ------- ---- ------- --------- 0 Reserved RFC xxxx 1 PKIX X.509 as per PKIX RFC xxxx 2 SPKI SPKI certificate RFC xxxx 3 PGP OpenPGP packet RFC xxxx 4 IPKIX The URL of an X.509 data object RFC xxxx 5 ISPKI The URL of an SPKI certificate RFC xxxx 6 IPGP The URL of an OpenPGP packet RFC xxxx 7 ACPKIX Attribute Certificate RFC xxxx 8 IACPKIX The URL of an Attribute Certificate RFC xxxx 9-252 Available for IANA assignment by IETF Standards action 253 URI URI private RFC xxxx 254 OID OID private RFC xxxx 255-65023 Available for IANA assignment by IETF Consensus 65024-65534 Experimental RFC xxxx 65535 Reserved RFC xxxx Certificate types 0x0000 through 0x00FF and 0xFF00 through 0xFFFF can only be assigned by an IETF standards action [7]. This document assigns 0x0001 through 0x0008 and 0x00FD and 0x00FE. Certificate types 0x0100 through 0xFEFF are assigned through IETF Consensus [7] based on RFC documentation of the certificate type. The availability of private types under 0x00FD and 0x00FE ought to satisfy most requirements for proprietary or private types. The IANA considerations in RFC 2538 reads: Certificate types 0x0000 through 0x00FF and 0xFF00 through 0xFFFF can only be assigned by an IETF standards action [RFC 2434] (and this document assigns 0x0001 through 0x0003 and 0x00FD and 0x00FE). Certificate types 0x0100 through 0xFEFF are assigned through IETF Consensus [RFC 2434] based on RFC documentation of the certificate type. The availability of private types under 0x00FD and 0x00FE should satisfy most requirements for proprietary or private types. As you should have noticed, the text in 2538bis doesn't match the table in 2538bis. Specifically, the table makes 255-65023 available for IANA assignment, but the text says the range is 256-65279. The table is inherited from section 2 of RFC 2538, and was not duplicated in the RFC 2538 IANA Considerations. I believe we should preserve the ranges documented in the IANA Considerations of RFC 2538 as much as possible. Let's ignore the table in section 2 of RFC 2538. That table is the origin of 255 as the start of the range. I believe the table above is incorrect that it permit 255 for IANA registration. We should reserve the lowest 8 bits for IETF Standards actions. Thus, I propose to reserve 255 in the table. (Reserving it is the same as making it available for IANA assignment through IETF Standards action, because the approved IETF standards could simply update RFC 2538bis if so required.) I believe the experimental range should be (as in RFC 2538) FF00-FFFF (65280-65535). The table inside the document in RFC 2538 says that 65535 is reserved, and I propose we keep this. The "meaning" field has little mandatory significance. Here is my proposed new IANA section: Decimal Type Meaning Reference ------- ---- ------- --------- 0 Reserved RFC xxxx 1 PKIX X.509 as per PKIX RFC xxxx 2 SPKI SPKI certificate RFC xxxx 3 PGP OpenPGP packet RFC xxxx 4 IPKIX The URL of an X.509 data object RFC xxxx 5 ISPKI The URL of an SPKI certificate RFC xxxx 6 IPGP The URL of an OpenPGP packet RFC xxxx 7 ACPKIX Attribute Certificate RFC xxxx 8 IACPKIX The URL of an Attribute Certificate RFC xxxx 9-252 Available for IANA assignment by IETF Standards action 253 URI URI private RFC xxxx 254 OID OID private RFC xxxx 255 Reserved RFC xxxx 256-65279 Available for IANA assignment by IETF Consensus 65280-65534 Experimental RFC xxxx 65535 Reserved RFC xxxx Certificate types 0x0000 through 0x00FF (255) and 0xFF00 (65028) through 0xFFFF (65535) can only be assigned by an IETF standards action [7]. This document assigns 0x0001 through 0x0008 and 0x00FD and 0x00FE. Certificate types 0x0100 (256) through 0xFEFF (65279) are assigned through IETF Consensus [7] based on RFC documentation of the certificate type. The availability of private types under 0x00FD (253) and 0x00FE (254) ought to satisfy most requirements for proprietary or private types. You can inspect this modification with the new and old text side by side at: http://josefsson.org/rfc2538bis/draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2538bis-from--09.diff.html Thanks to Michelle Cotton of the IANA who let us know about this problem. When I have the opportunity, I'd also like to invite review for other problems that may be fixed during AUTH48. The unpublished -10, which include the proposal above, is available from: http://josefsson.org/rfc2538bis/draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2538bis.txt That document is what I'll use to compare with what the RFC editor sends me during AUTH48. That link will be updated whenever I receive any suggested minor changes. Any significant changes will naturally be brought up on this list first. Thanks, Simon -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 12 12:21:33 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ex68j-0003a6-NA for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:21:33 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02053 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex642-000EcJ-G9 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:16:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [158.69.83.250] (helo=dcn236-44.dcn.davis.ca.us) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex641-000Ec8-Oo for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:16:41 +0000 Received: by dcn236-44.dcn.davis.ca.us (Postfix, from userid 274) id 029D711D6F3; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:16:39 -0800 (PST) From: Wes Hardaker To: David Blacka Cc: DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-ds-sha256-03.txt Organization: Sparta References: <906D3C28-C38F-4E17-AAA3-5CD0BCF32837@verisignlabs.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:16:36 -0800 In-Reply-To: <906D3C28-C38F-4E17-AAA3-5CD0BCF32837@verisignlabs.com> (David Blacka's message of "Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:45:46 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Jumbo Shrimp, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:45:46 -0500, David Blacka said: David> [proposed new text] The DS record with the SHA-256 digest fails David> to match the digest computed using the child zone's DNSKEY. So changed. David> Other than that, I think that this document is in good shape. cool. -- Wes Hardaker Sparta, Inc. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 12 12:45:27 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ex6Vr-0002tK-GI for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:45:27 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA03317 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex6So-000G7X-Sz for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:42:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex6So-000G7L-9i for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:42:18 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95A211426 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:42:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT Document Review: LLMNR-45 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jan 2006 11:49:16 EST." References: <6.2.5.6.2.20060112110208.04641410@ogud.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:42:17 +0000 Message-Id: <20060112174217.D95A211426@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk much as it pains me for it to be ed lewis (of all people) that i agree with, i agree with ed lewis here. bernie, can you offer us some guideance as to your interest or your employer's interest in seeing LLMNR standardized? why aren't you able to use apple's existing similar technology to achieve your aims here? re: # >We would like to specifically ask the working group: # > b) that it supports the thought that issue 1 and 2 are indeed out # > of scope; # # Not having read the draft, so I can't comment on that above, but - # # What difference does it make if the document considers, in particular issue # 1, to be out of scope? Having read the arguments on issue 1, I can't see # the reasoning behind the IETF marking as a standard a protocol that has a # significant, non-compatible, non-interoperable alternative in the same # solution space. From that aspect alone, I would place this document as an # Informational document, not a standards track document, no matter how solid # it is. # # Whether I am applying the right metric is debatable. The IETF has # standardized protocols while competing approaches abounded - TCP vs. OSI's # and DECnet's protocols. OSI never became widely deployed, DECnet never # really materialized on other platforms. (Maybe it did, but I recall putting # TCP on DEC machines and not DECnet on Unix machines.) But given the degree # of deployment of the alternative in this case, I am not convinced the # document has a shot at gaining standards track. (If someone knows of # precedents to the contrary, they might change my mind.) # # Note that I started with "haven't read"...this is not a judgement of the # document but a positioning of it. Further, my question is about the chair's # question - I am remarking that it seems not to make sense to me and for # guidance of what a "yes" or "no" answer to it means. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 12 12:45:39 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ex6W2-0002wj-Lu for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:45:39 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA03324 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex6Tx-000GBn-AX for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:43:29 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex6Tw-000GBa-Ch for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:43:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CHhEDP044576; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:43:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:42:29 -0500 To: Simon Josefsson From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: IANA considerations in RFC 2538bis Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk At 18:02 +0100 1/12/06, Simon Josefsson wrote: >Dear WG: >http://josefsson.org/rfc2538bis/draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2538bis-from--09.diff.html Looks okay to me. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Inactionable unintelligence is bliss. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 12 15:05:33 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ex8hR-0002HG-As for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:05:33 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA14185 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex8eg-000OEx-3y for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:02:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,INFO_TLD autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex8ee-000OEm-VA for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:02:41 +0000 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Ex8ee-00043e-7n for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:02:40 -0500 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (ca.afilias.info, from userid 1019) id A9C8F13744; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:02:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:02:24 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT Document Review: LLMNR-45 Message-ID: <20060112200224.GG22696@dba3> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan References: <6.2.5.6.2.20060112110208.04641410@ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20060112110208.04641410@ogud.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I have read the current draft, and I am preparing some remarks; but I first have some questions about the issues the A-D brought up. On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 11:08:44AM -0500, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT co-chair wrote: >=20 > Below are the issues brought up by Margaret: >=20 > (1) Concerns that publication of this protocol will be confusing > or actively harmful given the existing wide deployment of Apple's > mDNS protocol. That is the way she introduced it in her email; but I noticed that her subsequent discussion of the question boiled down to two, in my view distinct questions: 1.a. That users will be confused, and potentially use .local. 1.b. That large numbers of lookups for undelegated labels may end up going to the global DNS. It seems to me that these are different issues, and that it makes no difference whether it is the label ".local" or something else for which the query asks, unless the query is for something that is already properly configured in the global DNS. Perhaps I am overlooking some way in which 1.b. depends strongly on 1.a.? Because it sort of looks to me like 1.b. might be true under this draft even if users understand perfectly well that they shouldn't use .local.=20 A --=20 ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 12 15:06:55 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ex8il-0002dP-ES for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:06:55 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA14273 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex8d7-000O9O-35 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:01:05 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [217.13.230.178] (helo=yxa.extundo.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex8d3-000O94-Tz for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:01:02 +0000 Received: from latte.josefsson.org (jas@yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0CK0wCN003341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:00:58 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: IANA considerations in RFC 2538bis References: OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:21:060112:namedroppers@ops.ietf.org::VzIDjxC+RpGaxY4/:Jali Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:00:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Simon Josefsson's message of "Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:02:13 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Simon Josefsson writes: > Certificate types 0x0000 through 0x00FF (255) and 0xFF00 (65028) ^^^^^ Sorry, that should be 65280. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From denniscalinao@attorneysecure.com Thu Jan 12 15:48:43 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ex9NB-0005BM-IJ for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:48:43 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA16905 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 71-213-226-145.cdrr.qwest.net ([71.213.226.145] helo=localhost) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ex9UL-0000Z2-IO for dnsext-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:56:06 -0500 Received: from [205.248.102.79] (port=25 helo=mailc.microsoft.com) by mailc.microsoft.com with smtp for dnsext-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:48:27 -0600 Received: from [32.97.182.141] (port=25 helo=e1.ny.us.ibm.com) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com with smtp for dnsext-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:48:27 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c617e3$b0ed6200$0100007f@localhost> From: "Zane Sanders" To: Subject: Massive PE patch sale Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:48:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C617E3.B0ED6200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C617E3.B0ED6200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Finally the real thing- no more ripoffs! 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C617E3.B0ED6200-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 12 15:52:43 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ex9R5-0006MS-JQ for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:52:43 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA17469 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex9OY-0001A7-H2 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:50:06 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [132.151.6.50] (helo=newodin.ietf.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ex9OX-00019l-QK for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:50:06 +0000 Received: from mlee by newodin.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ex9OT-0006H6-UE; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:50:01 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-nsid-01.txt Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:50:01 -0500 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DNS Extensions Working Group of the IETF. Title : DNS Name Server Identifier Option (NSID) Author(s) : R. Austein Filename : draft-ietf-dnsext-nsid-01.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2006-1-12 With the increased use of DNS anycast, load balancing, and other mechanisms allowing more than one DNS name server to share a single IP address, it is sometimes difficult to tell which of a pool of name servers has answered a particular query. While existing ad-hoc mechanism allow an operator to send follow-up queries when it is necessary to debug such a configuration, the only completely reliable way to obtain the identity of the name server which responded is to have the name server include this information in the response itself. This note defines a protocol extension to support this functionality. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-nsid-01.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-dnsext-nsid-01.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-nsid-01.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. 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This draft is a work item of the DNS Extensions Working Group of the IETF. Title : Clarifications and Implementation Notes for DNSSECbis Author(s) : R. Austein, S. Weiler Filename : draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-bis-updates-02.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2006-1-12 This document is a collection of minor technical clarifications to the DNSSECbis document set. It is meant to serve as a resource to implementors as well as an interim repository of possible DNSSECbis errata. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-bis-updates-02.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Kolkman" Subject: DNSEXT document status and actions 200601 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:08:20 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-47--120889597 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-46--120889795 --Apple-Mail-46--120889795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear colleagues In order to make sure that we have a good view of the state of work in the working group I've took a dump from all of the drafts mentioned on tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext and try to give a breakdown of what the status is of these documents. It might be that we are missing stuff or that we got the status wrong. Comments are welcomed. All documents have one of us as shepherd. Not only after a document has been pushed to a the WG but shortly after the document enters the workgroup one of us take 'responsibility'. The dates are verbatim from the tools page, its when the last version appeared. In addition to this list there is the Key Management Requirements draft. The state of that document is that it is being put together by the document editors. Non-wg-documents are not being considered. Olaf and Olafur --Apple-Mail-46--120889795 Content-Type: text/plain; x-unix-mode=0644; name="dnsext.actions.200601.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=dnsext.actions.200601.txt Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Document overview 2006 01 draft-ietf-dnsext-2929bis-01 2005-08-23 17:18 = Active shepherd: Olafur draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-experiments-01 2005-07-20 18:14 Active shepherd: Olaf Status: Is done. Needs last call. Action on Olaf to last call. draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-opt-in-08 2005-10-26 15:19 = Active Shepherd: Olaf Status: Has been resubmitted and has a dependency on the dnssec- experiments draft. The draft does not need to be last called and will =20= be forwarded for experimental publication as one of the experiments =20 under dnssec-experiments. Action: on olaf process the document once experiments has been last =20 called. rfc3597 promotion: 2005-08-?? Sheperd: Olaf.=20 Status: Down reference issue, we need a new version that does not update = documents that are at lower status.=20 draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-trans-03 2005-10-27 11:37 = Active shepherd: Olaf Status: Stalled, according to the minutes of IETF63 this document is =20 ready to be last called. Action on Olaf to last call. draft-ietf-dnsext-ds-sha256-03 new 2006-01-09 19:04 = Active shepherd: Olafur Status: Needs update message that it has passed working group last call and a message advancing it requesting quick publication. =20 Action: Send WGLC summary message and publication request draft-ietf-dnsext-ecc-key-08 2005-10-26 14:41 = Active shepherd: Olafur Status: Editor has asked for a WGLC, chair and wg members have an open = issue that the key format is too open ended for DNS interoperability (DNSKEY use),=20 but may be fine for other uses (KEY or application specific keys).=20 Action: Chair is trying to learn enough about ECC and ECC implementions = to frame an question on the topic.=20 draft-ietf-dnsext-mdns-45 = 2005-10-06 16:07 Active shepherd: Olafur Status: Document was bounced back from IESG after IETF last call, three issues need to be evaluated and resolved by the working group, Chairs have asked the working group for review=20 Action: Once the review window completes on Feb 5'th the chairs will follow up with actions recommened by WG or the default actions in the review message. draft-ietf-dnsext-nsec3-03 = 2005-10-26 13:45 Active shepherd: Olaf Status: There are a number of issues that need to be addressed. Geoff =20= Sisson will coordinate solving these issues. (correct Geoff?) After the issues are solved a workshop for testing code is the next =20 milestone. A list for this has been set up. Action on Geoff to coordinate solving of nsec3 issues. draft-ietf-dnsext-nsid-00 = 2005-09-12 14:27 Active shepherd: Olaf Status: Editor told new version of the draft will occur soon Action on Olaf to forward document to IESG draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2536bis-dsa-06 2005-07-19 16:24 = Active shepherd: Olafur Status: In extened WGLC, documents need more review before they can be = advanced.=20 Action: Prod members of the working group to review the documents.=20 draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2539bis-dhk-06 2005-07-19 16:25 = Active shepherd: Olafur Status: In extened WGLC, documents need more review before they can be = advanced.=20 Action: Prod members of the working group to review the documents.=20 draft-ietf-dnsext-signed-nonexistence-requirements-02 2005-10-26 18:30 = Active shepherd: Olaf Status: During IETF64 we asked people to review this document. =20 Nothing happened. We'll issue a last call to force review Action on Olaf to last call draft-ietf-dnsext-trustupdate-threshold-01 2005-10-27 16:14 = Active shepherd: Olafur Status: This document is in hold state while key managment requirements = are being agreed to. Action: once KM req. is agreed to by WG compare how this approach = measures up.=20 draft-ietf-dnsext-trustupdate-timers-02 new 2006-01-10 19:12 = Active shepherd: Olafur Status: This document is in hold state while key managment requirements = are being agreed to. Action: once KM req. is agreed to by WG compare how this approach = measures up.=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Recently Expired: draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-bis-updates-01 2005-05-24 15:15 = Expired shepherd: olaf=20 Status: This is a document that is used to document issues and =20 implementation choices for DNSSEC. We think this document should be =20 kept "active" for at least another 6 months in order to collect =20 issues. In order to do so we will need to rev the document. Action on Olaf to ask for another rev. draft-ietf-dnsext-interop3597-02 2005-05-19 16:17 = Expired shepherd: olafur Status: Dead/Done,=8C the contents of this document have been placed = with other=20 interoperabilty reports.=20 IESG Processing: draft-ietf-dnsext-dhcid-rr-10 2005-09-26 13:58 = Waiting for AD Go- Ahead::Revised ID Needed shepherd: Olafur Status: Number of items where identfied during IETF last call=20 Action: work with DHC chairs and document editors to resolve issues from = IETF last call.=20 draft-ietf-dnsext-dns-name-p-s-01 2005-10-06 15:36 = IESG =20 Evaluation::AD Followup shepherd: Olafur This document is linked to online-signing. draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing-01 2006-01-06 19:33 = IESG =20 Evaluation::AD Followup shepherd: Olafur There were some issues that have been cleared. Status: Olafur to wrap up WG opinion on applicability statement. draft-ietf-dnsext-tsig-sha-05 2005-10-26 14:47 = Waiting for Writeup shepherd: Olafur Status: waiting to be placed on the IESG agenda.=20 Action: Action on Olafur to Prod AD.=20 draft-ietf-dnsext-wcard-clarify-10 new 2006-01-09 20:43 = Waiting for Writeup shepherd: Olaf Status: the document is ready for a writeup. Ownership is now with AD. Action on Ed to make minor changes during AUTH 48 RFC-Editor's Queue: draft-ietf-dnsext-insensitive-06 2005-07-20 19:27 = RFC published=20 shepherd: Olafur Status: Published as RFC4343 draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2538bis-09 2005-10-20 21:27 = RFC Ed Queue shepherd: Olafur Status: IANA allocation phase,=20 Action: Editor has taken action to fix conflict. We are waiting for WG = consent. Expired but needs attention:=20 draft-ietf-dnsext-axfr-clarify-05 2002-12-02 17:51 = Expired=20 shepherd: Olafur Status: Thomas Narten at some point studied the complaint against =20 this doc and addressed a number of them. This will need to be revived so = that we can get =20 this clarification forwarded. Action on Olafur to make this happen. Expired and dead:=20 draft-ietf-dnsext-aaaa-a6-01 2001-07-20 12:13 = Expired and dead draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-roadmap-07 2003-02-05 12:03 = Expired and dead draft-ietf-dnsext-edns-bind-view-option-00 2001-02-28 17:41 = Expired and dead draft-ietf-dnsext-edns-zone-option-00 2001-02-28 17:45 = Expired and dead draft-ietf-dnsext-edns0dot5-02 2000-11-17 14:11 = Expired and dead draft-ietf-dnsext-edns1-03 2002-08-15 17:36 = Expired and dead draft-ietf-dnsext-ends-unknown-00 2001-02-28 17:41 = Expired and dead draft-ietf-dnsext-ipv6-name-auto-reg-01 2003-07-28 13:56 = Expired and dead draft-ietf-dnsext-ixfr-01 2000-06-01 18:14 = Expired and dead draft-ietf-dnsext-not-existing-rr-01 2000-11-29 15:51 = Expired and dead draft-ietf-dnsext-parent-sig-00 2001-03-30 18:42 = Expired and dead draft-ietf-dnsext-parent-stores-zone-keys-01 2001-05-09 17:36 = Expired and dead draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2782bis-01 2001-06-14 14:30 = Expired and dead draft-ietf-dnsext-tkey-renewal-mode-05 2004-10-15 15:23 = Expired and dead= --Apple-Mail-46--120889795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. 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Note that the suggestion was made by eastlake, I didn't disagree and there were no other opinions submitted. 2) The implementation requirements stating that implementations had to be configurable with respect to preferring one algorithm over another was disagreed over. At best, it doesn't meet consensus. At worst, it's disliked. Unfortunately two conversations have taken place with different results (one before last call, and one after) and the upshot is that at least consensus wasn't reached so the words have been removed and replaced with a single SHOULD that specifies SHA-256 DS records SHOULD be preferred by validates over SHA-1 DS records. 3) Security wording was added to the security section to reference how downgrade attacks can happen without preference of SHA-256 over SHA-1 (it was stated more generically). 4) minor typos and grammatical fixes. A complete comparison of changes from -02 to -03 can be found at: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-ds-sha256/draft-ietf-dnsext-ds-sha256-03-from-02.diff.html There are no outstanding issues left with the document that have been brought to my attention (aside from what's mentioned below) and the document is ready to be given to the ADs for IETF last call. ---------- mail since the WG last call was closed officially was received from David Blacka preferring the wording "The DS record with the SHA-256 digest fails to match the digest computed using the child zone's DNSKEY." over "The DS record with the SHA-256 digest fails to match the signature computed using the child zone's DNSKEY". Technically this is beyond last call, but I've changed it in my local copy since we have IETF last call to go through anyway. I'd be happy to a) publish a -04 if the chairs wish; b) remove it until it's re-brought up in ietf last call; c) leave it in my local copy. I'll do c by default unless told otherwise by the chairs. -- Wes Hardaker Sparta, Inc. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Jan 13 11:19:26 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ExReA-000514-34 for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:19:26 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA19231 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ExRbK-000MxQ-0N for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:16:30 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ExRbG-000Mx6-Ma for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:16:27 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0DGGIfT051992; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:16:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20060113110918.04120e40@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:15:30 -0500 To: DNSEXT WG From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Subject: Re: WG LC results summary: draft-ietf-dnsext-ds-sha256-03.txt Cc: Wes Hardaker In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Thanks Wes, for this excellent summary. As the spreading chair for this document: The document has received sufficient review and support to be advanced. The document editor has addressed all issues raised during the WG and will issue new version that resolves an new issue raised with clarity. Once the new version is issued, I will request that the IESG process this document on an expedited schedule for publication as Proposed Standard. Olafur At 10:58 13/01/2006, Wes Hardaker wrote: >At the end of the WG last call for draft-ietf-dnsext-ds-sha256-03.txt >I determined the following issues needed to be fixed based on comments >submitted to the WG and have made changes accordingly: > >1) draft-eastlake-sha2 should be referenced information-ally. > action: informational reference added. Note that the suggestion > was made by eastlake, I didn't disagree and there were no other > opinions submitted. > >2) The implementation requirements stating that implementations had to > be configurable with respect to preferring one algorithm over > another was disagreed over. At best, it doesn't meet consensus. > At worst, it's disliked. Unfortunately two conversations have > taken place with different results (one before last call, and one > after) and the upshot is that at least consensus wasn't reached so > the words have been removed and replaced with a single SHOULD that > specifies SHA-256 DS records SHOULD be preferred by validates over > SHA-1 DS records. > >3) Security wording was added to the security section to reference > how downgrade attacks can happen without preference of SHA-256 over > SHA-1 (it was stated more generically). > >4) minor typos and grammatical fixes. > >A complete comparison of changes from -02 to -03 can be found at: > > >http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-ds-sha256/draft-ietf-dnsext-ds-sha256-03-from-02.diff.html > >There are no outstanding issues left with the document that have been >brought to my attention (aside from what's mentioned below) and the >document is ready to be given to the ADs for IETF last call. > >---------- > >mail since the WG last call was closed officially was received from >David Blacka preferring the wording "The DS record with the SHA-256 >digest fails to match the digest computed using the child zone's >DNSKEY." over "The DS record with the SHA-256 digest fails to match >the signature computed using the child zone's DNSKEY". Technically >this is beyond last call, but I've changed it in my local copy since >we have IETF last call to go through anyway. I'd be happy to a) >publish a -04 if the chairs wish; b) remove it until it's re-brought >up in ietf last call; c) leave it in my local copy. I'll do c by >default unless told otherwise by the chairs. > >-- >Wes Hardaker >Sparta, Inc. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Jan 13 11:28:26 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1ExRms-0007EF-LB for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:28:26 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA19812 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ExRl2-000NgI-9M for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:26:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [158.69.83.250] (helo=dcn236-44.dcn.davis.ca.us) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ExRl1-000Ng3-NV for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:26:31 +0000 Received: by dcn236-44.dcn.davis.ca.us (Postfix, from userid 274) id 91C6111DAF1; Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:26:27 -0800 (PST) From: Wes Hardaker To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Cc: DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: WG LC results summary: draft-ietf-dnsext-ds-sha256-03.txt Organization: Sparta References: <6.2.5.6.2.20060113110918.04120e40@ogud.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:26:27 -0800 In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20060113110918.04120e40@ogud.com> (ogud@ogud.com's message of "Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:15:30 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Jumbo Shrimp, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:15:30 -0500, ogud@ogud.com (Olafur Gudmundsson) said: Olafur> Once the new version is issued, I will request that the IESG Olafur> process this document on an expedited schedule for publication Olafur> as Proposed Standard. 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(I'd be a "don't care" in a show of hands.) I think the authors have worked hard to address the concerns that were raised during IETF last call (I was one of the people complaining, since I wasn't following this WG prior to that LC). =20 Below are my comments. On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 11:08:44AM -0500, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT co-chair wrote: > We would like to specifically ask the working group: >=20 > a) that it agrees that all protocol issues have been properly > addressed; I believe so. > b) that it supports the thought that issue 1 and 2 are indeed out > of scope; No. I do not see how a potential significant increase in load to the global DNS (which is entailed by the discussion of issue 1) can be out of scope for a mechanism whose behaviour is indistinguishable to users from the behaviour of the global DNS, and that is specified such that it relies on some behaviour of the global DNS. That said, the addition of the remarks in section 1, point [2] and following, plus the recommendation in the IANA Considerations section about the right to use a FQDN, address the issue to some extent. =20 The discussion of the extent to which spoofing threats are already present in the DNS (plus the recommendations around use of a FQDN) seem to me to give enough guidance to implementors. > c) and that Issue 3 is indeed clarified in version 0.45 of the > document. Sort of. What I am slightly puzzled about is that, given the suggestions about how to handle single-label names and the suggestion that users reserve a FQDN if they want to use it with LLMNR, I'm not sure what is so different about this proposal from Apple's mDNS; and mDNS, as far as I can tell, has the additional benefit that a mistake in configuration doesn't automatically leak to the global DNS. Anyway, I think the document draws enough attention to what I believed were very serious problems. 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I suggest this as a > replacement. ... > I didn't like the "future innovations" as well. And David Blacka writes: > ... As much as I think the caveats in > section 2 and section 6 are all true, I actually think the current > version of the document is actually too defensive. First, thank you VERY, VERY much for suggesting specific wording changes. I'm willing to include the changes, but I'm a bit concerned that addressing two of these (the "future innovations" and the defensiveness) will lead to a document that doesn't address Ted Hardie's DISCUSS. His comments seem to have disappeared from the ballot, but you can still see them in the draftracker's document history: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=view_id&dTag=13129&rfc_flag=0 I've CC'ed Ted on this note. Hopefully he'll come over to visit us here on namedroppers and argue the case himself. -- Sam -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 19 20:44:53 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EzlKf-0004q9-MM for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:44:53 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA20326 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EzlI5-000Bwb-1h for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:42:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EzlI4-000BwN-7R for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:42:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0K1fxWH009099; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:42:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:41:59 -0500 To: Samuel Weiler From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: New version of draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing Cc: Edward Lewis , David Blacka , Namedroppers , hardie@qualcomm.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk At 20:13 -0500 1/19/06, Samuel Weiler wrote: >I'm willing to include the changes, but I'm a bit concerned that >addressing two of these (the "future innovations" and the >defensiveness) will lead to a document that doesn't address Ted >Hardie's DISCUSS. Looks to me that Ted withdrew his discuss...so I don't know what to add. >His comments seem to have disappeared from the ballot, but you can ... 2006-01-06 Version :01 [hardie] [Ballot Position Update] Position for Ted Hardie has been changed to No Objection from Discuss by Ted Hardie -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Nothin' more exciting than going to the printer to watch the toner drain... -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 19 21:08:16 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EzlhH-0005ZH-VU for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:08:16 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA22580 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ezle9-000Dq8-1n for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:05:01 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [129.46.51.58] (helo=numenor.qualcomm.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ezle8-000Dpn-7r for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:05:00 +0000 Received: from magus.qualcomm.com (magus.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.148]) by numenor.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id k0K24m8r017391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:04:49 -0800 Received: from [10.0.1.3] (vpn-10-50-16-85.qualcomm.com [10.50.16.85]) by magus.qualcomm.com (8.12.10/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id k0K24h9f012871; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:04:44 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:04:42 -0800 To: Edward Lewis , Samuel Weiler From: Ted Hardie Subject: Re: New version of draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing Cc: Edward Lewis , David Blacka , Namedroppers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk At 8:41 PM -0500 1/19/06, Edward Lewis wrote: >At 20:13 -0500 1/19/06, Samuel Weiler wrote: > >>I'm willing to include the changes, but I'm a bit concerned that >>addressing two of these (the "future innovations" and the >>defensiveness) will lead to a document that doesn't address Ted >>Hardie's DISCUSS. > >Looks to me that Ted withdrew his discuss...so I don't know what to add. > >>His comments seem to have disappeared from the ballot, but you can >... > >2006-01-06 >Version :01 >[hardie] [Ballot Position Update] Position for Ted Hardie has been changed to No Objection from Discuss by Ted Hardie I changed my position to No Objection after Margaret and the chairs indicated that an applicability statement would be added to the document. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear DNSEXT wg participants: Following the IETF-64 meeting in Vancouver, three persons volunteered to become the editors of a requirements document (i.e. a revision -00 Internet draft) about the DNSSEC trust anchor key management issue. Their deadline would be February 27 (14:00 UCT) for the document to be considered at IETF-65 in Dallas. However, the early availability of this draft is highly desirable for an active discussion of the issues at stake in the namedroppers mailing list. For the record, TAK (Trust Anchor Key) configuration in a resolver software is the very first operational requirement before DNSSEC provide any service, i.e. the change in DNS data retrieved by applications from "indeterminate" (the default until a TAK is configured along the DNS name path to the root) to either "secure," "insecure" or "bogus." In addition, TAK management is closely related to security procedures followed by the zone managers for zones having a TAK, either the root or an island of trust. Indeed, the trust in a TAK public key rests on the belief that zone managers abide by the (perhaps implicit) procedural provisions that ensure the continued control of the TAK private key counterpart by legitimate zone managers. Nonetheless, the procedures are performed behind closed doors, and their documentation is not an explicit interoperability requirement. In terms of time frame for making progress towards DNSSEC deployment, TAK and NSEC3 (addressing a DNSSECbis glitch with DNS name existence privacy) seem to be the two show stoppers these days. I would like to share my view on the possible outcome of lack of progress on the TAK front. Interim solutions are adequate for TAK management in DNSSEC prototypes and pilot projects, merely because the target DNS resolver audience is small and made of systems which can be configured with the skills of early adopters. Typically, an interim solution would not provide the level of TAK rollover automation that is going to expected from a definitive solution. As the DNSSEC deployment grows from pilot projects to limited field trials and then to small scale production and then growing, it may be very hard to retrofit a definitive solution. The experience of the PKI integration with browsers suggests the emergence of long-lasting TAKs and pup-up windows asking end- users to adopt a DNSKEY RR as a TAK in the local DNSSEC-aware resolver configuration. These interim solutions might grow as de-facto procedures, facilitating DNSSEC penetration growth, but harming the DNSSEC potential for providing a more trustworthy global DNS service. According to the above view, those participants who are interested in DNSSEC deployment as a genuine improvement in Internet security should consider active participation. Regards, -- - Thierry Moreau CONNOTECH Experts-conseils inc. 9130 Place de Montgolfier Montreal, Qc Canada H2M 2A1 Tel.: (514)385-5691 Fax: (514)385-5900 web site: http://www.connotech.com e-mail: thierry.moreau@connotech.com -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Jan 20 11:01:39 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Ezyhn-0006rt-Pq for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:01:39 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA25289 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EzyeD-000PFc-NJ for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:57:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [213.154.224.1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1EzyeC-000PFL-Iu for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:57:56 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1:211:2fff:fed7:7378]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0KFvqeZ064497; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:57:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) In-Reply-To: <43D10AB5.4080100@connotech.com> References: <43D10AB5.4080100@connotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-27-551679033" Message-Id: <44FB233A-3E07-4E20-ADEC-4DED983A8248@NLnetLabs.nl> Cc: Namedroppers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: Re: Trust Anchor Key management issue, stalled or slow progress? Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:57:48 +0100 To: Thierry Moreau X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-27-551679033 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thierry, Thanks for the kind reminder of what we have set out to do. Rest assured that I am applying gentle pressure off-list. Not enough to provide you with an ETA on the requirements draft. So for now I'd say that the developments for the requirements are between stalled and slow progress. For the NSEC3 work I spoke to Geoff this morning and I am expecting a list of open issues any time soon. As for: > According to the above view, those participants who are > interested in DNSSEC deployment as a genuine improvement in > Internet security should consider active participation. There are times I wished I had less subtle means for driving motivation. Any of the well known motivation means such as pay- checks, sex, threats of violence, outlook on eternal fame are not available or seem to fail. --Olaf ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. 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Thanks to Ed and David for including suggested text with their comments. -- Sam -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Jan 22 22:16:01 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F0sBV-0005vW-GU for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:16:01 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA09435 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F0s5v-000PUp-8g for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:10:15 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [192.94.214.100] (helo=nutshell.tislabs.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F0s5u-000PUe-AI for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 03:10:14 +0000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nutshell.tislabs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id k0N39jmG000082 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:09:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from filbert.tislabs.com(10.66.1.10) by nutshell.tislabs.com via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAqSayD6; Sun, 22 Jan 06 22:08:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (weiler@localhost) by tislabs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k0N3AcrD025833; Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:10:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 22:10:38 -0500 (EST) From: Samuel Weiler To: Scott Rose cc: Namedroppers Subject: RE: New version of draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jan 2006, Scott Rose wrote: > I read the draft, and I don't have any issues with it going forward. > > I did notice that this draft is also relaxing the guidelines about the > bitmap field of dynamicly generated NSEC RRs. Section 3, fourth paragraph > says: > > "The generated NSEC record's type bitmap SHOULD have the RRSIG and > NSEC bits set and SHOULD NOT have any other bits set. This relaxes > the requirement in Section 2.3 of RFC4035 that NSEC RRs not appear at > names that did not exist before the zone was signed." > > in RFC 4034 and 4035, the SHOULD(s) are MUST(s). Perhaps another sentence > stating that restriction is relaxed as well. This is a tough one -- I think we wanted to leave the possibility open for setting other bits (you could generate a SINK RR on the fly to accomplish the same thing, right?), but still encourage generating the NSEC and RRSIG only. I've submitted a new version with the first SHOULD to a MUST, since I can't think of any reason why we'd want to change that, but left the second SHOULD (NOT). Let me know what you think of it. -- Sam -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Jan 23 07:55:00 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F11Do-0006Po-Ol for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:55:00 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14563 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F118V-000OpD-5T for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:49:31 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [129.6.16.227] (helo=smtp.nist.gov) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F118U-000Op1-67 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:49:30 +0000 Received: from postmark.nist.gov (pushme.nist.gov [129.6.16.92]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0NCnJGc004796 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:49:24 -0500 Received: from barnacle (barnacle.antd.nist.gov [129.6.55.185]) by postmark.nist.gov (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id k0NCmi3u000466 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:48:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Scott Rose" To: "Namedroppers" Subject: RE: New version of draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 07:48:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: scottr@nist.gov Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: Samuel Weiler [mailto:weiler@tislabs.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:11 PM > > This is a tough one -- I think we wanted to leave the possibility open > for setting other bits (you could generate a SINK RR on the fly to > accomplish the same thing, right?), but still encourage generating the > NSEC and RRSIG only. > > I've submitted a new version with the first SHOULD to a MUST, since I > can't think of any reason why we'd want to change that, but left the > second SHOULD (NOT). > From the description, it sounds fine. I'll read the draft and if I have a question, I'll post. Otherwise, I have no problem with it. It was just the inconsistancy I was worried about. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C62096.BA55B480-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 24 00:06:01 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1GNU-0006a5-Tb for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:06:01 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA06148 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1GHt-000Ll8-7w for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:00:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1GHs-000Lku-6B for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:00:12 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0O4xxo8045981; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:59:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20060123235754.03851d90@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:59:33 -0500 To: Edward Lewis From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Subject: Re: DNSEXT Document Review: LLMNR-45 Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20060112110208.04641410@ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk At 11:49 12/01/2006, Edward Lewis wrote: >I don't understand this question... > >>We would like to specifically ask the working group: >> b) that it supports the thought that issue 1 and 2 are indeed out >> of scope; > >Not having read the draft, so I can't comment on that above, but - Bernard argued that issue 1 and 2 are issues that will not have to be fixed in the llmnr specification but that they are resolver and API issues. The question is if the working group agrees with that argument and support the thought that issue 1 and 2 are indeed out of scope for the llmnr specification. If the working group agrees with this view we do not have to address these issues in the specs and we can report the WG opinion to the AD. That is more or less what a 'yes' would mean. A 'no' would mean more work for this group. If that is the outcome we will return to the group to ask if there is consensus to continue spend more iterations, but first things first. Lets answer the question at hand. Olafur & Olaf -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 24 05:51:50 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1LmA-0008GU-5u for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:51:50 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA28103 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1LeG-000Axi-J1 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:43:40 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [198.32.6.68] (helo=karoshi.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1LeF-000AxT-Te for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:43:40 +0000 Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k0OAhGIV030361; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:43:16 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id k0OAhEqw030360; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:43:14 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:43:09 +0000 From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Cc: Edward Lewis , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT Document Review: LLMNR-45 Message-ID: <20060124104309.GA29167@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20060112110208.04641410@ogud.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20060123235754.03851d90@ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20060123235754.03851d90@ogud.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id FAA28103 On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 11:59:33PM -0500, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT = co-chair wrote: > At 11:49 12/01/2006, Edward Lewis wrote: > >I don't understand this question... > > > >>We would like to specifically ask the working group: > >> b) that it supports the thought that issue 1 and 2 are indeed out > >> of scope; > > > >Not having read the draft, so I can't comment on that above, but - >=20 > Bernard argued that issue 1 and 2 are issues that will not have to be > fixed in the llmnr specification but that they are resolver and API > issues. >=20 > The question is if the working group agrees with that argument and > support the thought that issue 1 and 2 are indeed out of scope for > the llmnr specification. this raises the (perhaps) interesting question about the remit of the WG. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6210B.3DB0ED80-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 24 08:37:40 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1OMe-0000PI-R8 for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:37:40 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA12334 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:36:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1OEv-000IRX-H1 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:29:41 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [131.111.8.130] (helo=ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1OEu-000IRJ-2n for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:29:40 +0000 X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.54]:47578) by ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.150]:25) with esmtpa (EXTERNAL:fanf2) id 1F1OEP-0008Nq-0R (Exim 4.54) (return-path ); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:29:09 +0000 Received: from fanf2 (helo=localhost) by hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk (hermes.cam.ac.uk) with local-esmtp id 1F1OEP-0007OD-1Q (Exim 4.53) (return-path ); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:29:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:29:09 +0000 From: Tony Finch X-X-Sender: fanf2@hermes-2.csi.cam.ac.uk To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair cc: Edward Lewis , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT Document Review: LLMNR-45 In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20060123235754.03851d90@ogud.com> Message-ID: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20060112110208.04641410@ogud.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20060123235754.03851d90@ogud.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1870870024-2101217721-1138109349=:5153" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C62122.81632180-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 24 11:23:13 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1Qwq-0006uF-P0 for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:23:13 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA26854 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1Qqc-0005Ib-QZ for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:16:46 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [209.5.206.8] (helo=r1.mycybernet.net) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1Qqb-0005IN-OT for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:16:46 +0000 Received: from 227-54-222-209.mycybernet.net ([209.222.54.227]:35874 helo=phlogiston.dydns.org) by r1.mycybernet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1F1QqV-000L5Q-B3 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:16:39 -0500 Received: by phlogiston.dydns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 10402406C; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:16:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:16:37 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT Document Review: LLMNR-45 Message-ID: <20060124161637.GA7199@phlogiston.dyndns.org> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20060112110208.04641410@ogud.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20060123235754.03851d90@ogud.com> <20060124104309.GA29167@vacation.karoshi.com.> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060124104309.GA29167@vacation.karoshi.com.> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 10:43:09AM +0000, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > this raises the (perhaps) interesting question about the > remit of the WG. Is the resolver and its associated API(s) > part of the DNS or not? It seems to me that, if the answer is no, then LLMNR doesn't belong here anyway (since it is an alternative to DNS); and if the answer is yes, then the original questions 1 and 2 have to be considered in-scope. A -- Andrew Sullivan | ajs@crankycanuck.ca It is above all style through which power defers to reason. --J. Robert Oppenheimer -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 24 13:08:32 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1Sam-0006F8-Fq for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:08:32 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05360 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1SXl-000Awg-WB for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:05:26 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [213.154.224.1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1SXk-000AwK-5Z for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:05:24 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1:211:2fff:fed7:7378]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k0OI5HU7085367; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:05:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-30-904930072" Message-Id: <535B95C9-9660-41CB-BD56-3A2B330C5819@NLnetLabs.nl> Cc: Mark Townsley , Namedroppers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: Request to publish draft-ietf-dnsext-nsid Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:05:19 +0100 To: Margaret Wasserman X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-30-904930072 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Esteemed ADs, We would like to request publication of draft-ietf-dnsext-nsid-01 on the standards track. Hereby the proto questionnaire. I will be the proto contact. Yours, --Olaf Kolkman Questions: 1) Have the chairs personally reviewed this version of the ID and do they believe this ID is sufficiently baked to forward to the IESG for publication? Yes. 2) Has the document had adequate review from both key WG members and key non-WG members? Do you have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? Yes, at least 5 people in the working group state they have reviewed this work thoroughly. We have no concern about the depth of review. 3) Do you have concerns that the document needs more review from a particular (broader) perspective (e.g., security, operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA, etc.)? No. This is a relatively trivial protocol extension. 4) Do you have any specific concerns/issues with this document that you believe the ADs and/or IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps you are uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or whether there really is a need for it, etc., but at the same time these issues have been discussed in the WG and the WG has indicated it wishes to advance the document anyway. The document specifically addresses server to client identification. Client to server identification is out of scope. If such is ever needed the WG will write new specification. 5) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Solid. Note that the need for this technique came from the DNS operations community. Also see draft-ietf-dnsop-serverid (The nsid document does not contain references to dnsop-serverid as it stands on itself). 6) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarize what are they upset about. No. 7) Have the chairs verified that the document adheres to _all_ of the ID nits? (see http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.html). Yes 8) For Standards Track and BCP documents, the IESG approval announcement includes a writeup section with the following sections. In order to be able to identify certain nameservers in a DNS anycast cloud clients querying nameservers in that cloud can add an EDNS OPT pseudo RR that signals the answering nameservers to include identifying information in an OPT RR that is attached to the answer. This technique improves the existing ad-hoc methods to identify nameservers. Working group consensus is solid. During the working group discussions the question came up to also allow for client to server identification. This was argued to be out of scope since. This feature will be implemented in at least two independent open-source products used on anycasted root-servers. And will be available in at least one resolver implementation and become available in two libraries. ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ --Apple-Mail-30-904930072 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. iD8DBQFD1mxgtN/ca3YJIocRAs6aAKDz1XQJHcuedSNQO82PRwzfFAZyKwCgwFGJ 4TXlP1f1ZevN5015hmuCxnQ= =71Gl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-30-904930072-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 24 13:28:27 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1Su3-0004Kx-E9 for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:28:27 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07363 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1Sr6-000CCW-On for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:25:24 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1Sr5-000CBw-KW for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:25:24 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OIOwRt051122; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:25:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20060124131652.03c126a0@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:24:22 -0500 To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org, Margaret Wasserman From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Subject: DNSEXT publication request: DS SHA-256 Cc: "Olaf M. Kolkman" , ogud@ogud.com, Mark Townsley , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The DNSEXT working group would like to request the publication of draft-ietf-dnsext-ds-sha256-04.txt on the standards track. below is the proto questionnaire. I will be the proto contact. =D3lafur Questions: 1) Have the chairs personally reviewed this version of the ID and do they believe this ID is sufficiently baked to forward to the IESG for publication? Yes. 2) Has the document had adequate review from both key WG members and key non-WG members? Do you have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? Yes, at least 5 people in the working group state they have reviewed this work thoroughly. We have no concern about the depth of review. 3) Do you have concerns that the document needs more review from a particular (broader) perspective (e.g., security, operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA, etc.)? No. This is an additional digest for transferring trust across delegation points. The reason for this digest addition was guidance from security area director. 4) Do you have any specific concerns/issues with this document that you believe the ADs and/or IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps you are uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or whether there really is a need for it, etc., but at the same time these issues have been discussed in the WG and the WG has indicated it wishes to advance the document anyway. None 5) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Real strong. There have been no voices raised that this is not needed. 6) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarize what are they upset about. No. 7) Have the chairs verified that the document adheres to _all_ of the ID nits? (see http://www.ietf.org/ID-nits.html). Yes 8) For Standards Track and BCP documents, the IESG approval announcement includes a write up section with the following sections. In DNSSEC the trust from a parent public DNSKEY is transferred, by signing a digest of a child's public DNSKEY and publishes the digest in the parent zone in a DS resource record. The currently defined digest algorithm SHA-1 is not as strong as previously was thought and stronger protection is urgently needed. This document adds a second stronger digest algorithm that is mandated and implementations are instructed to prefer. There are implementations in prototype state, the implementations can be released as soon as IANA officially assigns an algorithm number. For DNSSEC deployment reasons it is important that this number get assigned as soon as possible.=20 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 24 14:48:56 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1U9w-0001mL-0f for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:48:56 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA12900 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:47:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1U1x-0001pM-Kt for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:40:41 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1U1u-0001ov-Ms for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:40:39 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (ns.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0OJeVdq052096; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:40:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20060124143010.0372a2c8@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:39:57 -0500 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Subject: Re: DNSEXT WGLC: RFC2536bis and RFC2539bis In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20051213190224.02e7c310@ogud.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20051017155946.03fbdd88@localhost> <6.2.5.6.2.20051213190224.02e7c310@ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Come on can someone please review these simple documents. In the last 40 days 2 people have spoken up. Summary of changes from the RFC's is provided in http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2005/msg01888.html Unless 3 more people say they have read the documents and agree with them being forwarded. An alternative approach is to obsolete DSA RFC2536 and move DHK 2539 off standards track. Please be nice to your chairs and either read the documents or tell chairs you support the alternate plans. 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I found 2 minor typos in the RFC2536bis: 1. In section 3 last paragraph, SIG is used instead of RRSIG 2. In section 5, last paragraph, "[random]" is used as the endnote, I assume it is supposed to be RFC4086 in the references. Scott **************************************** Scott Rose Adv. Network Tech. Div., NIST +1 301-975-8439 https://www-x.antd.nist.gov/dnssec/ **************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org > [mailto:owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org]On Behalf Of =D3lafur Gu=F0mund= sson > /DNSEXT co-chair > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:40 PM > To: =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT co-chair; namedroppers@ops.ietf.org > Subject: Re: DNSEXT WGLC: RFC2536bis and RFC2539bis > > > Come on can someone please review these simple documents. > > In the last 40 days 2 people have spoken up. > Summary of changes from the RFC's is provided in > http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2005/msg01888.html > > Unless 3 more people say they have read the documents and > agree with them being forwarded. > > An alternative approach is to obsolete DSA RFC2536 and > move DHK 2539 off standards track. > > Please be nice to your chairs and either > read the documents > or tell chairs you support the alternate plans. > > Olafur > > At 19:06 13/12/2005, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT wrote: > >In light of the new WG requirement that every document the working > >group advances there must be a set of WG members on record that they > >have reviewed the documents before the WG chairs can advance the > document. > > > >This is a call for 5 members of the WG to read and review each of > >these documents. > > > > thanks > > Olafur > > > >At 23:48 17/10/2005, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT wrote: > > > >>This message starts a 2 week Working Group Last call ending on > >>November 1, for the two following documents: > >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2536bis -dsa-06.txt >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2539bis-dhk-06= .tx t >> >>These two documents replace older RFC's to reflect the fact DSA and >>Diffie-Hellman keying information is encoded the same way in KEY and >>DNSKEY RR's (and other DNS RR types). >>The documents contain few minor textual changes from the RFC's they are >>replacing, including references to the DNSSEC-bis documents. >> >>These documents are on standards track and will be recycled at >>proposed standard, to be at the same level as DNSSEC-bis. >> >>The default action is to advance these documents, if you find any >>issues with the documents please raise them now. >> >> Olafur & Olaf >> >>-- >>to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with >>the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >>archive: > > >-- >to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with >the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >archive: > -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Jan 25 10:46:11 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1mqZ-0006Z0-KC for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:46:11 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA21836 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1mjH-000H4z-TD for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:38:39 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [129.188.136.100] (helo=motgate.mot.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1mjG-000H4e-QN for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:38:39 +0000 Received: from az33exr04.mot.com (az33exr04.mot.com [10.64.251.234]) by motgate.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate) with ESMTP id k0PFcbXf021372 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:38:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com (ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com [10.14.33.5]) by az33exr04.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k0PFlrO4026054 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 09:47:53 -0600 (CST) Received: by ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:38:35 -0500 Message-ID: <62173B970AE0A044AED8723C3BCF23810C70DF0D@ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com> From: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: RE: DNSEXT WGLC: RFC2536bis and RFC2539bis Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:38:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a reminder that wdiff's with the previous RFCs are available at http://www.pothole.com/~dee3/. Thanks, Donald -----Original Message----- From: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org = [mailto:owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of =D3lafur = Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT co-chair Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:40 PM To: =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT co-chair; namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT WGLC: RFC2536bis and RFC2539bis Come on can someone please review these simple documents. In the last 40 days 2 people have spoken up. Summary of changes from the RFC's is provided in = http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2005/msg01888.html Unless 3 more people say they have read the documents and agree with = them being forwarded. An alternative approach is to obsolete DSA RFC2536 and move DHK 2539 = off standards track. Please be nice to your chairs and either read the documents or tell chairs you support the alternate plans. Olafur At 19:06 13/12/2005, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT wrote: >In light of the new WG requirement that every document the working=20 >group advances there must be a set of WG members on record that they=20 >have reviewed the documents before the WG chairs can advance the = document. > >This is a call for 5 members of the WG to read and review each of = these=20 >documents. > > thanks > Olafur > >At 23:48 17/10/2005, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT wrote: > >>This message starts a 2 week Working Group Last call ending on=20 >>November 1, for the two following documents: >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2536bis-dsa-0= >>6.txt=20 >>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2539bis-dhk-0= >>6.txt >> >>These two documents replace older RFC's to reflect the fact DSA and=20 >>Diffie-Hellman keying information is encoded the same way in KEY and=20 >>DNSKEY RR's (and other DNS RR types). >>The documents contain few minor textual changes from the RFC's they=20 >>are replacing, including references to the DNSSEC-bis documents. >> >>These documents are on standards track and will be recycled at=20 >>proposed standard, to be at the same level as DNSSEC-bis. >> >>The default action is to advance these documents, if you find any=20 >>issues with the documents please raise them now. >> >> Olafur & Olaf >> >>-- >>to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org=20 >>with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text = body. >>archive: > > >-- >to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org = with=20 >the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >archive: > -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with = the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Jan 25 15:56:10 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F1rgY-0006tj-Ho for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:56:10 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22438 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1rbQ-0009El-74 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:50:52 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [63.208.196.171] (helo=outbound.mailhop.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F1rbO-0009EM-3p for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:50:50 +0000 Received: from c-67-182-139-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.182.139.247] helo=internaut.com) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1F1rbM-000FoC-PM for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:50:49 -0500 Received: by internaut.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E94FE35026; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by internaut.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D835325003 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:50:47 -0800 (PST) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 67.182.139.247 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: aboba Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: Bernard Aboba To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT Document Review: LLMNR-45 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Olafur quoted Margaret Wasserman: >(3) Separate, but perhaps underlying both of the previous issues, >there seems be a fundamental disagreement about what technical >approach we should take to link-local name lookup. LLMNR takes the >approach that local lookups should use the same names as global >lookups and that upper layers should not care whether a name was >resolved in the global DNS or locally, essentially making the >local lookup mechanism an extension of the DNS. mDNS takes the >approach that local lookups should be distinguishable from global >lookups and accomplishes this through the use of a special local >domain (.local). Andrew Sullivan said: >What I am slightly puzzled about is that, given the >suggestions about how to handle single-label names and the suggestion >that users reserve a FQDN if they want to use it with LLMNR, I'm not >sure what is so different about this proposal from Apple's mDNS; and >mDNS, as far as I can tell, has the additional benefit that a mistake >in configuration doesn't automatically leak to the global DNS. mDNS and LLMNR do not in fact differ in that respect; issue #3 was in fact in error, as Stuart pointed out on the IETF list. Either mDNS or LLMNR can be used to resolve any name, but both protocols restrict queries by default. By default, LLMNR only sends queries for the single-label namespace established by RFC 1001; mDNS uses the ".local" name space. Either protocol can conceivably be mis-configured. Neither mDNS nor LLMNR take the position that applications should not care how names are resolved; APIs enable applications to control that behavior. Andrew Sullivan also said: >That is the way she introduced it in her email; but I noticed that >her subsequent discussion of the question boiled down to two, in my >view distinct questions: > >1.a. That users will be confused, and potentially use .local. >1.b. That large numbers of lookups for undelegated labels may end >up going to the global DNS. > > >It seems to me that these are different issues, and that it makes no >difference whether it is the label ".local" or something else for >which the query asks, unless the query is for something that is >already properly configured in the global DNS. Perhaps I am >overlooking some way in which 1.b. depends strongly on 1.a.? Because >it sort of looks to me like 1.b. might be true under this draft even >if users understand perfectly well that they shouldn't use .local. 1.b is not directly related to 1.a as far as I can see, although both seem to be related to resolver behavior. Whether a given implementation supports mDNS or LLMNR or both, it is possible (and probably desirable) for the resolver to avoid sending lookups for ".local" to the global DNS. Similarly, implementations supporting both DNS and RFC 1001 have traditionally not sent lookups for single-label names to the global DNS (e.g. typing "http://msw/ in the browser will not result in a DNS query for "msw" on the wire). Paul Vixie asked: >Bernie, can you offer us some guideance as to your interest or your >employer's interest in seeing LLMNR standardized? why aren't you able >to use Apple's existing similar technology to achieve your aims here? My own interest in "mDNS" only arose after I was told by the DNSEXT WG chairs that the WG had not accepted the exist mDNS proposal as a WG work item. At the time, the alternative seemed to be either to have no IETF-standard link local name resolution protocol, or to work with the DNSEXT WG to develop a standard. I did not imagine at the time that working with the IETF could result in the worst of all possible outcomes. 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I've read the -45 document and I did not find flaws.=20 I regard issue 2, above, as a non-issue: other name resolution techniques like /etc/hosts or LDAP have the same behavior and nobody complained that getnameinfo() cannot tell you from which service you got the IP address. 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Hall" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson_/DNSEXT_co-chair?= CC: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT Document Review: LLMNR-45 References: <6.2.5.6.2.20060112110208.04641410@ogud.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20060112110208.04641410@ogud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id KAA21542 On 1/12/2006 11:08 AM, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT co-chair wrote: > (1) Concerns that publication of this protocol will be confusing > or actively harmful given the existing wide deployment of Apple's > mDNS protocol. Not an in-scope (ie, techical) factor. > (2) Security concerns have been raised about the fact that > applications on hosts that implement LLMNR will not be able to > tell if a response has come from the DNS or from a local lookup. This is a feature not a bug. [That is, if multiple ~standardized naming services are going to be ~supported, then application interoperability between them would be a feature. I mean, NIS and NetBIOS names (and /etc/hosts too) can be used by applications without needing to understand the actual resolution service and providing similar functionality here would be a competitive feature.] These probably aren't the right questions however. The fact that LLMNR an= d DNS are layered in the resolution path is indeed a problem, separate from the above questions. For one thing, LLMNR names are absolutely not DNS names and they should not be treated as such (they may look like DNS names, and they may have even started out as DNS names, but once the authoritative delegation path is removed from the query path those names are absolutely not DNS names anymore [TTLs are not respected, and some other host may have been given the official delegation], and so they should not be treated as such). For another, using the DNS root as a fallback for local (non-DNS) name resolution is bad manners at the least (usurping a TLD is not exactly polite either but that's a different protocol's problem). This seems to be part of your #3 issue, but which is not presented as a consideration beyond a point of discussion. I think it's the core issue myself. --=20 Eric A. 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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C62626.F81E8400-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Jan 30 19:37:09 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3jVz-0001nE-03 for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:37:09 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA27167 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F3jSq-000FaZ-DX for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:33:44 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SBL, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.163.8.251] (helo=SMTP.Lamicro.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F3jSn-000Fa7-7k for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:33:41 +0000 Received: from Spooler by SMTP.Lamicro.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b) ID MO00086F; 30 Jan 2006 19:34:31 -0500 Received: from spooler by Lamicro.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b); 30 Jan 2006 19:34:04 -0500 Received: from connotech.com (209.71.204.121) by SMTP.Lamicro.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b) with ESMTP ID MG00086E; 30 Jan 2006 19:33:58 -0500 Message-ID: <43DEB8CF.1070006@connotech.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:09:35 -0500 From: Thierry Moreau User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Josefsson CC: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC 2538bis security problem with the indirect types References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Simon Josefsson wrote: > Hi! > > [...] > > The problem is that the IPGP (and ISPKI, IPKIX and IACPKIX too, for > that matter) URL value is not strongly bound to its content. > > [...] > > The solution is to somehow embed, within the I* types, a hash of the > content. > Well, the flexibility of URLs allows this (as identified in your solution 4). Why would you look any further, since the URL scheme is flexible enough and does not require any distraction in the 2538bis adoption process? 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Why would you look any further, since the URL scheme is > flexible enough and does not require any distraction in the 2538bis > adoption process? I don't think that this is a good solution. The current ability to point to any URL is good and flexible. If the hash is embedded in the URL in some way, a method of embedding will have to be specified for each URL scheme. It essentially only allows CERT I* types to be used with very specific URL schemes that have been specified, which strikes me as fairly limiting. David -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Jan 30 21:40:51 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3lRh-0000GM-1R for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:40:51 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA04288 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F3lOa-000KxA-JH for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:37:28 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SBL, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.0 Received: from [66.163.8.251] (helo=SMTP.Lamicro.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F3lOZ-000Kww-G7 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 02:37:27 +0000 Received: from Spooler by SMTP.Lamicro.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b) ID MO00087D; 30 Jan 2006 21:38:18 -0500 Received: from spooler by Lamicro.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b); 30 Jan 2006 21:37:38 -0500 Received: from connotech.com (209.71.204.123) by SMTP.Lamicro.com (Mercury/32 v4.01b) with ESMTP ID MG00087C; 30 Jan 2006 21:37:34 -0500 Message-ID: <43DED5C6.3060501@connotech.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:13:10 -0500 From: Thierry Moreau User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Shaw CC: Simon Josefsson , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC 2538bis security problem with the indirect types References: <43DEB8CF.1070006@connotech.com> <20060131012603.GA7635@jabberwocky.com> In-Reply-To: <20060131012603.GA7635@jabberwocky.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Shaw wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 08:09:35PM -0500, Thierry Moreau wrote: > >> >>Simon Josefsson wrote: >> >> >>>Hi! >>> >>>[...] >>> >>>The problem is that the IPGP (and ISPKI, IPKIX and IACPKIX too, for >>>that matter) URL value is not strongly bound to its content. >>> >>>[...] >>> >>>The solution is to somehow embed, within the I* types, a hash of the >>>content. >>> >> >>Well, the flexibility of URLs allows this (as identified in your >>solution 4). Why would you look any further, since the URL scheme is >>flexible enough and does not require any distraction in the 2538bis >>adoption process? > > > I don't think that this is a good solution. The current ability to > point to any URL is good and flexible. The intent of DNSSEC is to restrict this flexibility radically, i.e. only to those URL's that are *to be trusted* by some crypto and protocol means. > If the hash is embedded in the > URL in some way, a method of embedding will have to be specified for > each URL scheme. Yes indeed, some specifications has to be written, as with any scheme. If the relying party does not support the specification, the crypto and protocol means are not applicable, as with any scheme. Not that I care which way is taken, just to point that the first solution to come to mind is not fundamentally different than a solution engineered in the DNSSEC details. 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----HzWcsGDs7S5ghAX9-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 31 11:36:54 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F3yUs-0006C8-OH for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:36:54 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA04838 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F3yQe-0008zp-CT for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:32:28 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [217.13.230.178] (helo=yxa.extundo.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F3yQd-0008zc-3g for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:32:27 +0000 Received: from latte.josefsson.org (jas@yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k0VGWDMZ026992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:32:16 +0100 From: Simon Josefsson To: Thierry Moreau Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC 2538bis security problem with the indirect types References: <43DEB8CF.1070006@connotech.com> OpenPGP: id=B565716F; url=http://josefsson.org/key.txt X-Hashcash: 1:21:060131:namedroppers@ops.ietf.org::MRLIfgm/0CcD2loh:2LEo X-Hashcash: 1:21:060131:thierry.moreau@connotech.com::qiKC+kcbxV36qy0Z:MbW+ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:32:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <43DEB8CF.1070006@connotech.com> (Thierry Moreau's message of "Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:09:35 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.84, clamav-milter version 0.84e on yxa.extundo.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Thierry Moreau writes: > Simon Josefsson wrote: > >> Hi! >> [...] >> The problem is that the IPGP (and ISPKI, IPKIX and IACPKIX too, for >> that matter) URL value is not strongly bound to its content. >> [...] >> The solution is to somehow embed, within the I* types, a hash of the >> content. >> > > Well, the flexibility of URLs allows this (as identified in your > solution 4). Why would you look any further, since the URL scheme is > flexible enough and does not require any distraction in the 2538bis > adoption process? There are two problems with that approach: 1) Not all URL schemes are flexible. HTTP is flexible in this regard, but I'm not sure about any other. finger is popular for OpenPGP key distribution. 2) Lack of standardization of how the hash is embedded in URLs make it impossible to implement interoperable applications. Every application should not have to define how the hash is embedded in the URL. Given that the URL approach has these serious disadvantages, and that the approach require standardization work in a new area (URI schemes), it seems preferably to me to solve this issue within the CERT specification, where we have control over things. I do agree that standardizing URI schemes to embed a hash of the content would be useful. Adding a field with the hash value of the URI target would allow DNSSEC trust to extend to the content easily for any URI scheme. Thanks for the feedback! Regards, Simon -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 31 13:17:28 2006 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1F404G-0001JH-0Y for dnsext-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:17:28 -0500 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA14803 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F401L-000EXj-Gx for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:14:27 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [132.151.6.50] (helo=newodin.ietf.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1F401I-000EXS-M0 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:14:24 +0000 Received: from apache by newodin.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1F401G-0000Pp-NC; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:14:22 -0500 X-test-idtracker: no From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Cc: Internet Architecture Board , RFC Editor , dnsext mailing list , dnsext chair , dnsext chair Subject: Protocol Action: 'Minimally Covering NSEC Records and DNSSEC On-line Signing' to Proposed Standard Message-Id: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:14:22 -0500 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk The IESG has approved the following documents: - 'Minimally Covering NSEC Records and DNSSEC On-line Signing ' as a Proposed Standard - 'Derivation of DNS Name Predecessor and Successor ' as an Experimental RFC These documents are products of the DNS Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Margaret Wasserman and Mark Townsley. A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing-02.txt Technical Summary The first draft, draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-online-signing describes how to construct DNSSEC NSEC resource records that cover a smaller range of names than called for by RFC4034. By generating and signing these records on demand, authoritative name servers can effectively stop the disclosure of zone contents otherwise made possible by walking the chain of NSEC records in a signed zone. The other draft, draft-ietf-dnsext-dns-name-p-s describes two methods for deriving the canonically-ordered predecessor and successor of a DNS name. These methods may be used for dynamic NSEC resource record synthesis, enabling security-aware name servers to provide authenticated denial of existence without disclosing other owner names in a DNSSEC-secured zone. Working Group Summary There was consensus in the DNSEXT WG to publisg the online-signing draft as Proposed Standards. During IETF Last Call, some people suggested that this draft would be better published as an Experimental RFC. However, the WG had discussed the publication status of both of these drafts explicitly, and the number people who raised this issue in IETF LC was not sufficient to question the earlier WG consensus. 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