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Preface to the 1= 948 Edition
Preface to the 1970 Edition
Appendices
Nor, indeed, th= e bit of paint itself can know of.
Traces of those deep cuts lie thickly= upon
XIII. The Route to the North
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II. Quest and Conquest
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20:16:29 -0500 From: "Cyl" To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Instant sexual boost! 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Sculpting each tree to fit your ghostly form
Nor, indeed, the bit of paint itself can know of.
XIV. Franz Josef Land: The Amazing Drift of the Tegetthoff
Sits at the limit of a kind of world
He is harsh, dismal, ice—that is, exiled;
III. Chronology of Northern Exploration
Only a whiter absence to my mind,
visitors' dugout. The osprey whose nest is atop
This gap in time, this season not their own,
Silent patch of ultimate paint. You are
A rabbit carcass in its stiffened fur.
The high whites spread over the buried earth.
Snow haze gleams like sand.
Where does this all end? What is the vanishing
III. Earliest Recorded Northern Explorers: The Greeks and the Vikings
Sought to contrive, intending to express
Against this sky no longer of our world.
As it sits there like an eventual
Of the matter of snow here. Both of us have grasped
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C64034.CFD249A0-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 05 02:21:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HO7Vz-0000b8-CT; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 02:21:47 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HO7Vq-0001Od-0N; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 02:21:47 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HO7OJ-000O0p-5N for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 07:13:51 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [213.248.199.24] (helo=mx4.nominet.org.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HO7OG-000O0T-DJ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 07:13:50 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO notes1.nominet.org.uk) ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 05 Mar 2007 07:13:46 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,247,1170633600"; d="scan'208"; a="6890250:sNHT36108388" In-Reply-To: To: Sam Weiler Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: additions to dnssec-bis-updates-04.txt MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V702MAC_11052006 November 05, 2006 Message-ID: From: Roy Arends Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:13:45 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 05/03/2007 07:13:46 AM, Serialize complete at 05/03/2007 07:13:46 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 Sam Weiler wrote on 03/04/2007 10:17:05 PM: > On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Roy Arends wrote: > > > As promised (though a little late) here are my quirks from the dallas-ietf > > presentation on DNSSEC-bis omissions: > > Thanks for sending these. I've incorporated most of them in the next > revision. Comments in-line below: > > > (2) gaping hole: > > > > validation in rfc4035 for unsigned delegation needs an NSEC for proof of > > absence of DS records. Section 5.2 of RFC 4035 states that the validator > > needs to check for the absence of DS type and absence of SOA type, but > > fails to mention to check for the presence of NS type. If this is not > > checked, spoofed unsigned delegations can be used to claim an existing > > signed record is not signed. > > Perhaps I'm confused, but I'm not seeing the problem here. Could you > create an example for me? Given the records: www.example.com A 192.0.2.16 www.example.com NSEC A NSEC RRSIG I could create (spoof) a response: www.example.com NS hacker.example.net www.example.com NSEC A NSEC RRSIG According to the rules in 5.2, the validator needs to check for the absence of DS and SOA in this NSEC record. This check passes. Obviously, the validator needs to check for presence of the NS bit, but the section does not mention that. > > (3) spoofing cname into nonexistence. > > > > If response is of type nodata: check NSEC for absence of CNAME type, > > otherwise a claim for nodata at name X/type Y might be a spoof, since the > > type might exist at the canonical name for X. > > This does seem like a real deficiency. I added a section on CNAMEs. > The text is imperfect, but it's there. > > > (4) expanding wildcards/wildcard no data response > > > > Both response types need a proof that the wildcard is at the closest > > encloser. The closest encloser can be determined by comparing QNAME to > > both ownername and nxtdname of the NSEC and take the nearest common > > ancestor. Every NSEC in a response MUST have the same closest encloser > > (this is fact, not a requirement). i.e. validator must check this way that > > there is no closer wildcard match. > > I'm vaguely remembering some discussion of why we didn't need anything > more and why 4035's text was, in fact, sufficient. Since I don't > fully recall the details, I'd like someone else to confirm this before > we add it, and preferably to write the text on it. Can we have some > more discussion on this item? 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types of soil; the texture, the moisture content, and being here you = really
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the eight people had been referred to the clinic as a = precautionary
Forest Field Centre. Reuters Home Radiation was found at an office of Mr= Litvinenko's
March 2007. NPR Scotland Fitness to practise proceedings use up almost = half of
to deal with them." Football: Crucial win for Sheff Utd EU clears
in inner city London." Michael Richards: Jewish by association? AP = -
residential courses organised by the FSC for London schools, says
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that currently 345 cases are waiting to be heard. Today in History DJ = Alan 'Fluff'
those two years he suffered stress, anxiety and a total loss
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the chief executive of the NMC, refused to comment on their own = predictions of
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-0600 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25JYKST003363 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:34:20 -0600 Received: from localhost ([157.185.80.253]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:34:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:34:18 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Weiler X-X-Sender: weiler@mint.samweiler.com To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: comments on draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-bis-updates-04.txt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2007 19:34:20.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[45395150:01C75F5D] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:34:20 -0600 (CST) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3d7f2f6612d734db849efa86ea692407 > # 2.1. Clarifications on Non-Existence Proofs > # > # [RFC4035] Section 5.4 slightly underspecifies the algorithm for > # checking non-existence proofs. In particular, the algorithm there > # might incorrectly allow the NSEC from the parent side of a zone cut > # to prove the non-existence of either other RRs at that name in the > # child zone or other names in the child zone. It might also allow a > # NSEC at the same name as a DNAME to prove the non-existence of names > # beneath that DNAME. > > The above paragragh is unclear. A "NSEC" does not prove anything, proofs are > done by the validotor. An NSEC RR and its associated RRSIG present data > used in a proof. This usage is consistent with RFC4035 (e.g., "... a single NSEC RR may prove both of these points.") Is this so bad that we need a new section talking about the use of the verb "prove" in 4035? > The "either" probably ought to be stricken from "of > either other" in the middle. Done. > "It might" - does it or not? It depends on the clue of the person reading it? Is there really a problem with that wording? > This sounds like an augmentation of the specified proof, you have a lower > case MUST in there. (Also, s/singer/signer/.) On the last line, > s/descendant/subdomain/. Fixed. Thank you. > # 2.2. Empty Non-Terminal Proofs Removed at Roy's suggestion. > # 2.3. Validating Responses to an ANY Query > # > # (as clarified in this document). To be clear, a validator must not > # insist on receiving all records at the QNAME in response to QTYPE=*. > > s/insist/expect/ perhaps. Done. > # 3. Interoperability Concerns > # > # 3.2. Private Algorithms ... > It says here that the "resolver MUST retrieve ... and ... determine the > algorithim." How can it determine the algotrithm if the algorithm is > private? It is possible that multiple algorithms use the same private > number, the best that can be done is if the private algorithm just happens > to be one the resolver knows and is expecting. There is a spec for how to distinguish between private algorithms. See RFC4034 Section A.1.1. > There is one step here - instruct the resolver to "line up" individual > DS RRs and DNSKEY RRs. This may not be possible if an unknown DS hash > algorithm is in use. Of the ones that line up, you can go on with sanity > checking. The section acknowledges that the hash algorithm must be known. > Do you want the resolver to side on being optimisitc? Should the resolver > be satisfied if it can find one useable DNSKEY? Or do you want it to be > pessimistic and through an exception when it can't line up and verify all > key records? Optimistic. Strictly optimistic. This comes close to implicating the "safety property" that we discussed in early 2003. > # 3.3. Caution About Local Policy and Multiple RRSIGs > # > # When multiple RRSIGs cover a given RRset, [RFC4035] Section 5.3.3 > # suggests that "the local resolver security policy determines whether > # the resolver also has to test these RRSIG RRs and how to resolve > # conflicts if these RRSIG RRs lead to differing results." In most > # cases, a resolver would be well advised to accept any valid RRSIG as > # sufficient. If the first RRSIG tested fails validation, a resolver > # would be well advised to try others, giving a successful validation > # result if any can be validated and giving a failure only if all > # RRSIGs fail validation. > > The point missed here is that it is possible that a resolver wants to see a > record signed with two or more algorithms, reflecting multiple "sign offs" of > the record. I doubt that this is an operational scenario grounded in sanity, > but I would not recommend in this clarification what policy a resolver should > favor. Noted. I'll await more feedback before changing this section. > # If a resolver adopts a more restrictive policy, there's a danger that > # properly-signed data might unnecessarily fail validation, perhaps > # because of cache timing issues. Furthermore, certain zone management > # techniques, like the Double Signature Zone-signing Key Rollover > # method described in section 4.2.1.2 of [RFC4641] might not work > # reliably. > > What is meant by "more restrictive?" "There's a danger...might...perhaps" is > a bit vague. This section is non-committal, perhaps, but is it really so unclear as to need to be changed? Again, I'd like more feedback (perhaps with alternative text suggested.) > # 3.6. Responding to QTYPE=* with the DO Bit Clear > > Already commented on this in email (Wouter and Koch too). Absent some support for this section (which I thought my co-editor would be offering), it's been removed. > # 4. Minor Corrections and Clarifications > # > # 4.1. Finding Zone Cuts > > I don't see what 4.1 is addressing. It seems all of references are > to parts of the same document. At this moment, I'm not recalling why it was added either -- most likely, someone showed up on namedroppers asking about it and I agreed that the lack of a cross-reference in RFC4035 C.8 could plausibly be confusing. There's a reason stuff this minor is in section 4 rather than earlier in the doc... > # 4.2. Clarifications on DNSKEY Usage > # > # Questions of the form "can I use a different DNSKEY for signing the > # X" have occasionally arisen. > > "Signing the X?" What does that mean? Clarified. > # 4.3. Errors in Examples > > Earlier this doc said it didn't deal with typos - but that is what this > section is all about - a typo. > > # 4.4. Errors in Canonical Form Type Code List > > Is this too just a typo report? I think these fall into the bucket of "typos ... [that] could lead to misinterpretation...". I removed the "Mere typos..." line from the intro to address this. -- Sam -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 05 14:40:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOJ2S-0006qz-6p; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:40:04 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOJ2Q-0005pN-Ss; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:40:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HOIvt-0005LF-Rp for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:33:17 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [157.185.61.2] (helo=M4.sparta.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HOIvr-0005Kr-JJ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:33:16 +0000 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l25JXErI007807 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:33:14 -0600 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25JXEq0003261 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:33:14 -0600 Received: from localhost ([157.185.80.253]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:33:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:33:12 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Weiler X-X-Sender: weiler@mint.samweiler.com To: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: dnssec-bis-updates-04 qtype any DO bit Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2007 19:33:13.0633 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D963910:01C75F5D] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:33:14 -0600 (CST) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab On Thu, 26 Oct 2006, Peter Koch wrote: >> 3.6. Responding to QTYPE=* with the DO Bit Clear >> To protect resolvers that cannot cope with DNSSEC types, a server >> should not include DNSSEC RR types when responding to a query with >> QTYPE=* and the DO bit not set. >> >> I disagree. >> * Resolvers query ANY which means any available and thus could contain >> any sort of RR type. Also unknown RR types. > > I fully agree with Wouter and disagree with the recommendation in 3.6. Per the discussion in San Diego, with no one having stepped forward to defend this recommendation, it's been removed from the next revision of the document. -- Sam -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 05 14:40:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOJ2T-0006rM-P1; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:40:05 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOJ2S-0005pQ-Aw; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:40:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HOIv3-0005EY-Tp for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:32:25 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [157.185.61.2] (helo=M4.sparta.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HOIuy-0005E6-5l for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:32:24 +0000 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l25JWINq007768 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:32:18 -0600 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25JWIVf003202 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:32:19 -0600 Received: from localhost ([157.185.80.253]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:32:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:32:15 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Weiler X-X-Sender: weiler@mint.samweiler.com To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: additions to dnssec-bis-updates-04.txt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2007 19:32:17.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC3C7900:01C75F5C] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:32:18 -0600 (CST) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 [Sorry for the out-of-order messages. I orginally sent these three messages last night, which is why you've already seen a couple of replies. Hopefully the mailserver brokenness that led to them bouncing has been fixed.] On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Roy Arends wrote: > As promised (though a little late) here are my quirks from the dallas-ietf > presentation on DNSSEC-bis omissions: Thanks for sending these. I've incorporated most of them in the next revision. Comments in-line below: > ... my > suggestion here is to remove the following part in dnssec-bis-updates: > > 2.2. Empty Non-Terminal Proofs Done. > (1) ancestor versus parent terminology > > I'd suggest avoiding 'parent-side' terminology in favor of 'ancestor' for Based on the on-list discussion: Done. > (2) gaping hole: > > validation in rfc4035 for unsigned delegation needs an NSEC for proof of > absence of DS records. Section 5.2 of RFC 4035 states that the validator > needs to check for the absence of DS type and absence of SOA type, but > fails to mention to check for the presence of NS type. If this is not > checked, spoofed unsigned delegations can be used to claim an existing > signed record is not signed. Perhaps I'm confused, but I'm not seeing the problem here. Could you create an example for me? > (3) spoofing cname into nonexistence. > > If response is of type nodata: check NSEC for absence of CNAME type, > otherwise a claim for nodata at name X/type Y might be a spoof, since the > type might exist at the canonical name for X. This does seem like a real deficiency. I added a section on CNAMEs. The text is imperfect, but it's there. > (4) expanding wildcards/wildcard no data response > > Both response types need a proof that the wildcard is at the closest > encloser. The closest encloser can be determined by comparing QNAME to > both ownername and nxtdname of the NSEC and take the nearest common > ancestor. Every NSEC in a response MUST have the same closest encloser > (this is fact, not a requirement). i.e. validator must check this way that > there is no closer wildcard match. I'm vaguely remembering some discussion of why we didn't need anything more and why 4035's text was, in fact, sufficient. Since I don't fully recall the details, I'd like someone else to confirm this before we add it, and preferably to write the text on it. Can we have some more discussion on this item? > Hope this helps, Absolutely. Thank you for the input. -- Sam -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 06 09:33:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOajV-0005pO-TU; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:33:41 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOajT-0006mK-SU; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:33:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HOaaf-000Mkb-F7 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:24:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HOaac-000Mfk-WB for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:24:32 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26EOGRY042124; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:24:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200703061424.l26EOGRY042124@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:23:51 -0500 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Olafur Gudmundsson Subject: Re: DNSEXT@IETF-68 agenda items In-Reply-To: <200702231633.l1NGX68P056026@ogud.com> References: <200702231633.l1NGX68P056026@ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Agenda's are due tomorrow due to lack of agenda items, the chairs are contemplating canceling the meeting. Last chance to have items put on the agenda. Olafur At 13:13 23/02/2007, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT wrote: >We are currently scheduled for 2 hours on Wed March 21'st @ 13:00-15:00 >Please send me any items you would like to be included >on the agenda. > > thanks > Olafur (and Olaf) > >-- >to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with >the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >archive: -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 06 10:22:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HObUj-0001aN-BS; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:22:29 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HObUd-00059M-1N; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:22:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HObQ5-0005Xo-LM for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:17:41 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [192.134.4.11] (helo=mx2.nic.fr) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HObPy-0005XB-Et for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:17:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BD026C1F1; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:17:22 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mx2.nic.fr Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF4626C159; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:17:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B356E58EB9B; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:17:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:17:21 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Olafur Gudmundsson Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT@IETF-68 agenda items Message-ID: <20070306151721.GA1266@nic.fr> References: <200702231633.l1NGX68P056026@ogud.com> <200703061424.l26EOGRY042124@ogud.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200703061424.l26EOGRY042124@ogud.com> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68c8cc8a64a9d0402e43b8eee9fc4199 On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:23:51AM -0500, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote a message of 26 lines which said: > Agenda's are due tomorrow due to lack of agenda items, draft-forgery-resilience is not on the agenda? -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 06 10:51:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HObwK-0002eR-Fe; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:51:00 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HObwD-0000IK-2E; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:51:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HObp2-0008Qf-DY for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:43:28 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [82.93.240.211] (helo=adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HObob-0008Mf-BW for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:43:18 +0000 Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl ([213.244.168.210] ident=postfix) by adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HOboU-0007tD-LV for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:42:54 +0100 Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6DCC34B80C; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:42:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:42:54 +0100 From: bert hubert To: Stephane Bortzmeyer Cc: Olafur Gudmundsson , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT@IETF-68 agenda items Message-ID: <20070306154254.GA24933@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <200702231633.l1NGX68P056026@ogud.com> <200703061424.l26EOGRY042124@ogud.com> <20070306151721.GA1266@nic.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070306151721.GA1266@nic.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 04:17:21PM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > Agenda's are due tomorrow due to lack of agenda items, > > draft-forgery-resilience is not on the agenda? Sadly I'm unable to be present, and I'm unsure if Remco might be. We'd like to do some work on draft-forgery-resilience anyhow - so far most people appear to think the draft itself is a good idea, except that the MUST/SHOULD/MAY/nothing stuff needs to be tuned. Kind regards, bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Wang@patloveall.com Tue Mar 06 14:14:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOf77-0000PD-1M for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:14:21 -0500 Received: from home-323954.b.astral.ro ([89.136.172.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOf73-0002G6-In for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:14:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c76023$a27532a0$00000000@alfa> From: "at" To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Annabeth Gish Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:14:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C76034.65FE02A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 4.8 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 8b6657e60309a1317174c9db2ae5f227 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C76034.65FE02A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C76034.65FE02A0" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C76034.65FE02A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thread revitalize georgia texas elkhart. Chynna cicilia margolis = pickett. Some shes role model? Blind birch thiessen tiffany shepis, timothy dalton tina? Katsuragi = richardson ashton, kutcher! Couric tracy shaw, ulrika jonsson. Orient torrent, employment animated auction. Jerry oconnell jesia chiminazzo collins. Hunters vlad impaler bram = stoker, helsing timeline legends gothic. Beyonce knowles billie celine. = Farrah fawcett five, grace jones helen duff howard, hulk. By pulling, misspelled sorry thatoops. Regueras venier marci brickhouse. Bank tyrese vanna vaughn zooey. Madrid rosalind rosario mcgowan rosemarie, wetzel rosemary roshumba = rosie. Nonsense opening, registry accessing aloe legendary. Spells herbsanti = benefits egyptian holy trinity ankh. Objects, clip footage wtc? Mitzi = kapture moby moira molly! Malik yoba mamie doren? Pantaeva iris berben palmer irish? Turner = crystal bernard cuba gooding cybill shepherd. Silveira julianna hatfield julianne philips julie andrews. Pounce de = leon spanish explorer founder. Quaid denzel deprise bresca. Benji beri smither peters bess myerson. = Pearen, amos tottie goldsmith. Angelika angelique, pettyjohn angie, everhart harmon angus macfadyen = difranco. Beginners lessons tests levitating moving, verses testament = trivia version. Mero renata maciel russo oconnor simonsen soutend. Road taoism discourse maharaj nectar sri beyond exploring blue. ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C76034.65FE02A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thread revitalize georgia texas = elkhart. Chynna=20 cicilia margolis pickett.
Some shes role model?
Blind birch thiessen tiffany shepis, = timothy dalton=20 tina? Katsuragi richardson ashton, kutcher!
Couric tracy shaw, ulrika = jonsson.
Orient torrent, employment animated = auction.
Jerry oconnell jesia chiminazzo = collins. Hunters=20 vlad impaler bram stoker, helsing timeline legends gothic. Beyonce = knowles=20 billie celine. Farrah fawcett five, grace jones helen duff howard, = hulk.
By pulling, misspelled sorry = thatoops.
Regueras venier marci = brickhouse.
Bank tyrese vanna vaughn = zooey.
Madrid rosalind rosario mcgowan = rosemarie, wetzel=20 rosemary roshumba rosie.
Nonsense opening, registry accessing = aloe=20 legendary. Spells herbsanti benefits egyptian holy trinity ankh. = Objects, clip=20 footage wtc? Mitzi kapture moby moira molly!
Malik yoba mamie doren? Pantaeva iris = berben palmer=20 irish? Turner crystal bernard cuba gooding cybill shepherd.
Silveira julianna hatfield julianne = philips julie=20 andrews. Pounce de leon spanish explorer founder.
Quaid denzel deprise bresca. Benji beri = smither=20 peters bess myerson. Pearen, amos tottie goldsmith.
Angelika angelique, pettyjohn angie, = everhart=20 harmon angus macfadyen difranco. Beginners lessons tests levitating = moving,=20 verses testament trivia version. Mero renata maciel russo oconnor = simonsen soutend.
Road taoism discourse maharaj nectar = sri beyond=20 exploring blue.
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Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8895DE60DD for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l26Ng5Pk048269; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:42:06 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200703062342.l26Ng5Pk048269@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Olafur Gudmundsson Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: DNSEXT@IETF-68 agenda items In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:23:51 CDT." <200703061424.l26EOGRY042124@ogud.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:42:05 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a > Agenda's are due tomorrow due to lack of agenda items, the chairs > are contemplating canceling the meeting. > Last chance to have items put on the agenda. > > Olafur Looking at the charter there is a lot of possible work to do. There are a dozen or so rfc's that we are trying to move to draft between June and July. Face to face time to with small sub groups to identify issues may be useful. Or we could just ask people to identify known issues (with maybe a small discussion for clarification only) on all of the outstanding RFC's. There has been discussion about doing a DNS profile document which identifies what existing RFC should be implemented in the modern DNS. Having a public discussion about where we should be drawing the boundries between what is a bare minimum, what should be implemented by just about everybody and what is currently leading edge. Perhaps with forcast dates. SOHO DNS servers infrastructure DNS servers enterprise DNS servers stub clients firewalls and DNS NAT interactions I'm sure most of us have experience problems with one or more of the above profiles. > At 13:13 23/02/2007, Ólafur Guðmundsson /DNSEXT wrote: > > >We are currently scheduled for 2 hours on Wed March 21'st @ 13:00-15:00 > >Please send me any items you would like to be included > >on the agenda. > > > > thanks > > Olafur (and Olaf) > > > >-- > >to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with > >the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > >archive: > > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: > -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From aka@paceco.com Tue Mar 06 23:21:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOneR-0007rD-Li for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:21:19 -0500 Received: from host101-93-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it ([87.11.93.101] helo=host28-52-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HOneM-0005tM-9U for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:21:19 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c76070$04dceea0$00000000@donmicow60f7g1> From: "Moments" To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: exactly typical Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:21:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C76078.66A156A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: cdb443e3957ca9b4c5b55e78cfcf4b26 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C76078.66A156A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01C76078.66A156A0" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C76078.66A156A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bradytom cruisetom greentom amostori hiltontyra gottivin, foxvivid = videowacky. 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I don't think that this is the end, but it is hopefully the beginning of = the end. An infrastructure such as DNS should be marked by long periods of = stability. It may feel that it is right to always be looking at ways of = improving it but that is not necessarily the case. I think that there will indeed be work for DNSEXT in Chicago, DKIM is in = effect a customer. So we will need to make some decisions on a model for = the role of the DNS in policy distribution. DKIM is not yet up to the = point of discussing policy mechanism, they are doing requirements = capture. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Olafur=20 > Gudmundsson > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 9:24 AM > To: =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT co-chair; namedroppers@ops.ietf.org > Subject: Re: DNSEXT@IETF-68 agenda items=20 >=20 > Agenda's are due tomorrow due to lack of agenda items, the=20 > chairs are contemplating canceling the meeting. > Last chance to have items put on the agenda. >=20 > Olafur >=20 >=20 > At 13:13 23/02/2007, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT wrote: >=20 > >We are currently scheduled for 2 hours on Wed March 21'st @=20 > 13:00-15:00=20 > >Please send me any items you would like to be included on the agenda. > > > > thanks > > Olafur (and Olaf) > > > >-- > >to unsubscribe send a message to=20 > namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with=20 > >the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > >archive: >=20 >=20 > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to=20 > namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe'=20 > in a single line as the message text body. > archive: >=20 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From filipinajfuok@corset-goddess.com Wed Mar 07 12:42:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HP0A3-0003nc-O3; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:42:47 -0500 Received: from [125.184.151.192] (helo=corset-goddess.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HP07L-00026m-Nn; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:40:01 -0500 Message-ID: <29172657.CA69BDEA@corset-goddess.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 06:37:50 -1100 From: "Vernice Martinez" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Caitlin" Cc: "Lakendra" , "Herb Morris" , "Carmon Montgomery" , "Shenna" , "Antonette Ray" , "Dusty" , "Clementina Greene" , "Georgianna Peterson" , "Juliane Hudson" , "Pauline Garrett" , "Micki" Subject: Still Busy Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------753674761114818373065764" X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: ba0d4c5f57f7c289496fce758bbf4798 --------------753674761114818373065764 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit



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Kolkman" Subject: Re: DNSEXT@IETF-68 agenda items Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:34:43 +0100 To: Mark Andrews X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-46--385328455 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 7Mar 2007, at 12:42 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: > >> Agenda's are due tomorrow due to lack of agenda items, the chairs >> are contemplating canceling the meeting. >> Last chance to have items put on the agenda. >> >> Olafur > > Looking at the charter there is a lot of possible work to do. > There are a dozen or so rfc's that we are trying to move to > draft between June and July. Face to face time to with small > sub groups to identify issues may be useful. Or we could just > ask people to identify known issues (with maybe a small discussion > for clarification only) on all of the outstanding RFC's. There are indeed a lot of those, and they have been on the charter as place-holders in order to not forget that this work needs to be done. Moving those forward does not only involve folk to identify known issues but also interoperability tests and we have repeatedly asked for volunteers. Identifying issues is something which can better be done on the mailing-list I thing. It takes careful thought, enumeration and clear descriptions. Trying to decide among various issues is normally something for which face-to-face time is needed. > > There has been discussion about doing a DNS profile document > which identifies what existing RFC should be implemented in > the modern DNS. Having a public discussion about where we > should be drawing the boundries between what is a bare > minimum, what should be implemented by just about everybody > and what is currently leading edge. Perhaps with forcast > dates. > > SOHO DNS servers > infrastructure DNS servers > enterprise DNS servers > stub clients > firewalls and DNS > NAT interactions > > I'm sure most of us have experience problems with one or > more of the above profiles. I also think that this discussion can better be pursued when there is a clear goal and maybe even a draft document. Would you be willing to volunteer to write a mini charter for such document. Why is it useful to do? Who is it intended for? Is the intention BCP or informational? Once we have that we need to figure out where that sort of document needs to land. In other words, I think these are valuable ideas but they need a bit of ground-work in order to use the face-2-face in the workgroup slot in an efficient way. --Olaf ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. 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local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HPLfy-000JCm-Qo for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:41:10 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [129.6.16.226] (helo=smtp.nist.gov) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HPLfv-000JCC-9a for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:41:09 +0000 Received: from [129.6.140.98] (98-140.antd.nist.gov [129.6.140.98]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l28GexW0005478 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:41:00 -0500 Message-ID: <45F03C9B.3050308@nist.gov> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:40:59 -0500 From: Scott Rose Organization: NIST User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061107) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: comments on draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-bis-updates-05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: scottr@nist.gov Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b I just (quickly) read over the -05 version of the DNSSEC-bis-updates draft. I noticed 2 typos and 1 issue that may have been resolved, but I can't remember. Section 2.1, second para "...and with the singer field that's shorter than..." /singer/signer Section 2.3 title "Check for CNAMEa" CNAMEs or just CNAME? I don't know if that matters. Also, I remember on thing from MSJ's DNSSEC-SO draft: In section 2.3.2.2, third bullet item (in regards to recursive caching servers): The resolver side MUST also set the CD bit when sending queries when the CD bit is set in the initiating query. [Note: The current behavior for a PNE recursive resolver may be in error.] Has this been covered in a thread? I don't remember. In my mind, it may be necessary if there is some upstream cache in the middle. The caching resolver still has the option (local policy) to perform validation after sending the response back to the originator for determining the cache status (BAD or not). 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(helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HPxqx-000OdZ-5f for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:27:05 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2A9Qs3W066785 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:26:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-37--209402984" To: IETF DNSEXT WG From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:26:48 +0100 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5011df3e2a27abcc044eaa15befcaa87 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-37--209402984 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dear Colleagues, We recently discovered an interoperability problem that can be argued to be a protocol bug or an editing error. A popular zone signer and its corresponding validator implementation does not lowercase the next domain name in the RDATA, while according to RFC4034 section 6.2 item 3 that should be done. The bug was discovered when NSD was deployed as a one of the servers in an authoritative server cloud. During the zone transfer NSD 'lowercases the NSEC RDATA' and starts to hand out different NSEC RDATA then was used for input. One could argue that NSEC is listed in item 3 of section 6.2 in 4034 in error: The original NSEC specification (RFC3845) does not contain rules to make NSEC canonical and therefore the default was to use the RFC3597 (Unknown RRs) behavior. RFC3597 does not list. On the other hand one could argue that when the NSEC is a 'carbon copy' of the NXT RR and therefore RFC3597 behavior should have applied and not mentioning the requirement to lowercase the dname before signature creation in RFC3845 was an error. Besides, the RFC35977 case preservation is (most) relevant for implementations of DNSSEC validation code but those are also the ones that must have detailed knowledge of the NSEC RR so IMHO the deviation of 4034 of 3597 should in theory not have caused problems. One of the argument to lower-case the data before signing is that the _information_ you want to transport with the NSEC RR is the _canonical_ ordering in which casing is irrelevant. There is one practical example, a bit far fetched, where not lowercasing the dname before signing can hurt you: Assume two sites that AXFR data between them (AXFR does not guarantee casing of onwer names to be preserved). Both dynamically generate NSECs and sign then dynamically. Now we have the case that for one zone the RRSIGs for the NSECs data generated by one server (which is exactly the same as for the other, except for the casing) cannot be used to validate the NSEC RRset of the other. A bit construed, but still. I also understand there is an installed-base argument that weighs heavily for saying that 4034 is in error: At this moment there are implementations that take a different interpretation. I think it is fair to say that the signer and validator with the largest deployment base treat the data as case sensitive. Because of the argument that it is the information in the NSEC that matters, the protocol geek in me has a slight preference for the interpretation as in 4034, it is cleaner protocol wise. Practically I want to have this fixed ASAP and the least disruptive way is to scrap NSEC from the above mentioned item 3 in 6.2 of 4034 and to have NLnet Labs patch NSD. It is important that the working group chooses a position fast. I leave it to Olafur to judge consensus. The result should go into draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-updates. --Olaf ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ --Apple-Mail-37--209402984 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. iD8DBQFF8nnetN/ca3YJIocRArQWAKCanLUpq5cNxiFUXQCn+BWPFVrh4gCfULqh GpyHx6l8MxprdNXZysR8HPM= =hLZu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-37--209402984-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sat Mar 10 10:01:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ34g-0002jK-Fp; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:01:34 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ34c-0005GB-2m; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:01:34 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQ2xg-0004F2-3K for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:54:20 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQ2xd-0004DF-RM for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:54:18 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5619A11429 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:54:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:26:48 +0100." <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> References: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.2; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:54:17 +0000 Message-ID: <33145.1173538457@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 > ... > There is one practical example, a bit far fetched, where not lowercasing > the dname before signing can hurt you: > Assume two sites that AXFR data between them (AXFR does not guarantee > casing of onwer names to be preserved). i was going to argue this point, because case is supposed to be preserved on the wire. however, if you received the NS-EXT.VIX.COM name as glue from a server who sends it in "UPPER CASE", and you then later become a secondary for EXAMPLE.COM which keeps all of its names in "lower case", you will end up with a copy of the zone that has names in it like "www.example.COM" even though they weren't transferred to you that way. what an unhappy mess case-folding continues to be. and if i recall correctly, idn nameprep doesn't have any aliasing or antialiasing of same-meaning or same-appearance glyphs, so in addition to being evil in its own right, case folding will also be seen as "missing" from the point of view of non-US-ASCII users. as for the topic at hand: > Both dynamically generate NSECs and sign then dynamically. Now we have the > case that for one zone the RRSIGs for the NSECs data generated by one server > (which is exactly the same as for the other, except for the casing) cannot > be used to validate the NSEC RRset of the other. A bit construed, but > still. > > I also understand there is an installed-base argument that weighs heavily > for saying that 4034 is in error: At this moment there are implementations > that take a different interpretation. I think it is fair to say that the > signer and validator with the largest deployment base treat the data as case > sensitive. > > Because of the argument that it is the information in the NSEC that matters, > the protocol geek in me has a slight preference for the interpretation as in > 4034, it is cleaner protocol wise. Practically I want to have this fixed > ASAP and the least disruptive way is to scrap NSEC from the above mentioned > item 3 in 6.2 of 4034 and to have NLnet Labs patch NSD. It is important that > the working group chooses a position fast. i may be seen as having a bias toward the preponderant implementation in the field. i think none of this matters. NSEC3 will be an implicit "flag day" in that COM won't be signed with NSEC and so virtually all validators will support NSEC3 in order to validate the domains that are most widely used in e-commerce. so the true 800-pound gorilla in the DNS Security market isn't online yet, and will bring its own installed base, and NSEC is a toy that'll be swept away into the dustbin of RFCs nobody implements any more. so the right thing to do is patch NSD so that we can keep the insignificant current installed base happy and avoid unnecessary flag days while we wait for the real flag day to come later with NSEC3. (NSEC3 would be better than NSEC for no other reason than that its design precludes any notice of case folding.) -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sat Mar 10 10:04:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ372-0003YT-Mc; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:04:00 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ371-0005cp-9t; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:04:00 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQ32W-0004dc-A4 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:59:20 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [157.185.61.2] (helo=M4.sparta.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQ32U-0004bU-9I for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:59:19 +0000 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2AEx955014904; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:59:09 -0600 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2AEx9Kh028174; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:59:10 -0600 Received: from localhost ([157.185.80.253]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:59:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:59:07 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Weiler X-X-Sender: weiler@mint.samweiler.com To: "Olaf M. Kolkman" cc: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 In-Reply-To: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> Message-ID: References: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Mar 2007 14:59:09.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7F8EE70:01C76324] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:59:09 -0600 (CST) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, Olaf M. Kolkman wrote: > One could argue that NSEC is listed in item 3 of section 6.2 in 4034 > in error: The original NSEC specification (RFC3845) does not contain > rules to make NSEC canonical and therefore the default was to use > the RFC3597 (Unknown RRs) behavior. RFC3597 does not list. There's even more history to consider: RFC3755, Section 3: 2) Embedded domain names in RRSIG and NSEC RRs are not downcased for purposes of DNSSEC canonical form and ordering nor for equality comparison,... Which raises the question of whether NSD has exactly the same problem with RRSIG RR's, too. (The list in 4034 includes both RRSIG and NSEC.) > Because of the argument that it is the information in the NSEC that > matters, the protocol geek in me has a slight preference for the > interpretation as in 4034, it is cleaner protocol wise. Practically > I want to have this fixed ASAP and the least disruptive way is to > scrap NSEC from the above mentioned item 3 in 6.2 of 4034 and to > have NLnet Labs patch NSD. It is important that the working group > chooses a position fast. While 4034's interpretation is obviously cleaner, and it could be argued that we didn't NEED to specify 3597 handling for NSEC and RRSIG, the historical record satisfies the protocol geek in me, and I find the installed base argument pretty compelling. An argument of "it really, really works better to do case-folding" could sway me, but, for the moment, ... I think we should treat this as an editting error in 4034. -- Sam -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sat Mar 10 10:55:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ3v1-0006ZI-Ck; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:55:39 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ3v0-0006Gr-2T; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:55:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQ3sN-000ATl-SI for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:52:55 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [213.154.224.1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQ3sL-000ATL-AW for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:52:54 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2AFqmaW000242; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:52:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) In-Reply-To: References: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-39--186249162" Message-Id: <51542F53-8D05-4F6C-8637-1745916E35B2@NLnetLabs.nl> Cc: IETF DNSEXT WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:52:42 +0100 To: Sam Weiler X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-39--186249162 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 10Mar 2007, at 3:59 PM, Sam Weiler wrote: > There's even more history to consider: > > RFC3755, Section 3: > > 2) Embedded domain names in RRSIG and NSEC RRs are not downcased > for > purposes of DNSSEC canonical form and ordering nor for equality > comparison,... > > Which raises the question of whether NSD has exactly the same > problem with RRSIG RR's, too. (The list in 4034 includes both > RRSIG and NSEC.) Yes, but, I cannot think of any interop problem that that may cause. RRSIGs are not signed themselves. Maybe I am missing something. --Olaf ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ --Apple-Mail-39--186249162 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. iD8DBQFF8tRPtN/ca3YJIocRAozBAJ4nO9HeJDL42hCEJk+TPc82zVziFQCeJ2Dd y+KgFBL5G2QuaA1p52oIp0c= =5xTT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-39--186249162-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sat Mar 10 11:27:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ4Pv-0002GP-82; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:27:35 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ4Ps-00038e-TQ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:27:35 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQ4Lp-000Cni-4E for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:23:21 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [65.201.175.9] (helo=cliffie.verisignlabs.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQ4Ln-000CmV-1p for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:23:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] (pool-72-66-14-71.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.14.71]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cliffie.verisignlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A1C1366EB; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:23:17 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <51542F53-8D05-4F6C-8637-1745916E35B2@NLnetLabs.nl> References: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> <51542F53-8D05-4F6C-8637-1745916E35B2@NLnetLabs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Sam Weiler , IETF DNSEXT WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Blacka Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:23:15 -0500 To: "Olaf M. Kolkman" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa On Mar 10, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Olaf M. Kolkman wrote: > > On 10Mar 2007, at 3:59 PM, Sam Weiler wrote: > >> There's even more history to consider: >> >> RFC3755, Section 3: >> >> 2) Embedded domain names in RRSIG and NSEC RRs are not >> downcased for >> purposes of DNSSEC canonical form and ordering nor for equality >> comparison,... >> >> Which raises the question of whether NSD has exactly the same >> problem with RRSIG RR's, too. (The list in 4034 includes both >> RRSIG and NSEC.) > > Yes, but, I cannot think of any interop problem that that may > cause. RRSIGs are not signed themselves. Maybe I am missing something. The RRSIG RDATA is included in the signature. However, the behavior here is clear: signature = sign(RRSIG_RDATA | RR(1) | RR(2)... ) where "|" denotes concatenation; RRSIG_RDATA is the wire format of the RRSIG RDATA fields with the Signer's Name field in canonical form and the Signature field excluded; (From RFC 4034 3.1.8.1) -- David Blacka Sr. Engineer VeriSign Applied Research -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sat Mar 10 11:48:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ4kH-0007oI-QE; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:48:37 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ4kD-0008GH-QC; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:48:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQ4g1-000EQU-B7 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:44:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [213.154.224.1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQ4fy-000EPv-VI for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:44:12 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2AGi0lX004979; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:44:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) In-Reply-To: References: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> <51542F53-8D05-4F6C-8637-1745916E35B2@NLnetLabs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-40--183179230" Message-Id: Cc: Sam Weiler , IETF DNSEXT WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:43:52 +0100 To: David Blacka X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-40--183179230 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I wrote: >> Maybe I am missing something. > > Dave responded: > signature = sign(RRSIG_RDATA | RR(1) | RR(2)... ) where > > "|" denotes concatenation; doohhh.. Since NSD will lowercase dnames in RRSIGs too there will be an interop problem when we stick to 4034. --Olaf ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ --Apple-Mail-40--183179230 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. iD8DBQFF8uBPtN/ca3YJIocRAou9AJ9Kt8MYB7c4m0lYKZIVSGgp3AZtlgCfXpb9 8kBs4i8v6gnZTNhh4Q0ygq8= =aoTg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-40--183179230-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sat Mar 10 12:33:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ5RL-0007wU-3u; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:33:07 -0500 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ5RJ-0001Wk-Pv; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:33:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQ5NF-000IL7-4w for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:28:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [65.201.175.9] (helo=cliffie.verisignlabs.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQ5ND-000IKt-9a for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:28:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] (pool-72-66-14-71.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.14.71]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by cliffie.verisignlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558D91366EC; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:28:50 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: References: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> <51542F53-8D05-4F6C-8637-1745916E35B2@NLnetLabs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: IETF DNSEXT WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Blacka Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:28:47 -0500 To: "Olaf M. Kolkman" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 On Mar 10, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Olaf M. Kolkman wrote: > I wrote: > >>> Maybe I am missing something. >> >> > Dave responded: >> signature = sign(RRSIG_RDATA | RR(1) | RR(2)... ) where >> >> "|" denotes concatenation; > > doohhh.. > > Since NSD will lowercase dnames in RRSIGs too there will be an > interop problem when we stick to 4034. Now I must be missing something. Lowercasing dnames (I assume you mean the SignerName here) in RRSIGs should not be a problem. The signer and validator must lowercase it prior to generating or verifying the signature anyway. The canonical form is stated multiple times in the RFCs (4034 3.1.8.1, the aforementioned section 6.2, and repeated again in 4035 5.3.2). -- David Blacka Sr. Engineer VeriSign Applied Research -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From hizondaqoyo@hinet.net Sat Mar 10 12:47:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ5f2-00007U-AX; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:47:16 -0500 Received: from 220-139-52-178.dynamic.hinet.net ([220.139.52.178] helo=hinet.net) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQ5ez-0000Hg-P3; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:47:16 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 07:39:22 -1000 From: "Mackenzie" X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carly Willis" Cc: "Russell Campbell" , "Elmer" , "Jill Stewart" , "Lizabeth Pierce" , "Patsy" , "Letty Evans" , "Amos Butler" , "Olinda" , "Gia" Subject: No Worries, Thx Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------202205850604300321285576" X-Spam-Score: 3.3 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 27ec2ff0f5c3b18b49c722f4f1748838 --------------202205850604300321285576 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


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<5D120429-B689-4F0D-82F7-7D89BA2C9011@NLnetLabs.nl> Cc: dnsext-chairs@tools.ietf.org, dnsext-ads@tools.ietf.org, IETF DNSEXT WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: Request to publish draft-ietf-dnsext-nsec3-10 on STD. Track Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:13:44 +0100 To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 142a000676f5977e1797396caab8b611 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-1--130987559 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed This is a publication request for draft-ietf-dnsext-nsec3-10 on the standards track. (1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Has the Document Shepherd personally reviewed this version of the document and, in particular, does he or she believe this version is ready for forwarding to the IESG for publication? Olaf Kolkman will shepherd this document. Both chairs reviewed the document and believe this document is ready for publication. (1.b) Has the document had adequate review both from key WG members and from key non-WG members? Does the Document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? The document has been reviewed by key working group members. During the development of the protocol several groups implemented it and there were two protocol and interoperability testing workshops. Among the respondents to the WGLC were: o Matt Larson (http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2007/ msg00114.html) o Wouter Wijngaards (http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2007/ msg00072.html) o Marcos Sanz (http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2007/ msg00116.html) o Suresh Krishnaswamy (http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2007/ msg00107.html) o Scott Rose (http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2007/ msg00082.html) o Peter Koch (http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2007/ msg00127.html) (1.c) Does the Document Shepherd have concerns that the document needs more review from a particular or broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA, internationalization or XML? The document specifies a mechanism to obfuscate zone content while supplying authenticated proof on non-existence of names and contains a fair amount of 'security related' material. (1.d) Does the Document Shepherd have any specific concerns or issues with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. Has an IPR disclosure related to this document been filed? If so, please include a reference to the disclosure and summarize the WG discussion and conclusion on this issue. This document addresses introduces two features that are considered to be imperative for deployment in a number of TLDs and some corporate environments. o The obfuscation of the NSEC span through supplying a span of hashed owner names. o The ability to signal a semantic change from "no names are existing in the span" to "no secure delegations exist in the span" The latter feature is flagged with the opt-out flag field and was currently known as "opt-in" (cf. draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-opt-in). The opt-in feature used to be contentious but it is clear that the consensus in the working group has shifted over the years. (1.e) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? The working group consensus is solid. (1.f) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarize the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is entered into the ID Tracker.) No. (1.g) Has the Document Shepherd personally verified that the document satisfies all ID nits? (See http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html and http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. Has the document met all formal review criteria it needs to, such as the MIB Doctor, media type and URI type reviews? Yes. (1.h) Has the document split its references into normative and informative? Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the strategy for their completion? Are there normative references that are downward references, as described in [RFC3967]? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure for them [RFC3967]. The references are split and there are no downward refs. (1.i) Has the Document Shepherd verified that the document IANA consideration section exists and is consistent with the body of the document? If the document specifies protocol extensions, are reservations requested in appropriate IANA registries? Are the IANA registries clearly identified? If the document creates a new registry, does it define the proposed initial contents of the registry and an allocation procedure for future registrations? Does it suggest a reasonable name for the new registry? See [RFC2434]. If the document describes an Expert Review process has Shepherd conferred with the Responsible Area Director so that the IESG can appoint the needed Expert during the IESG Evaluation? The IANA are unambiguous. However there is an important rfc editor instruction: After the IANA allocation has been done the examples in the Appendix will need to be regenerated because the signature generation algorithm uses also includes RR types as input. The RFC editor should not edit the Appendices before the IANA type-code has been assigned and the examples have been regenerated by the editor. (1.j) Has the Document Shepherd verified that sections of the document that are written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc., validate correctly in an automated checker? There is no such language. But on this note: While implementing parts of the functionality into a perl library the examples where used as test cases (Coincidentally this shepherd maintains a Perl Library for DNS code). See note above about regenerating the examples. (1.k) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up? Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary Relevant content can frequently be found in the abstract and/or introduction of the document. If not, this may be an indication that there are deficiencies in the abstract or introduction. The Domain Name System Security Extensions (DNSSEC) introduced the NSEC resource record (RR) for authenticated denial of existence. Though the NSEC RR meets the requirements for authenticated denial of existence, it introduces a side-effect in that the contents of a zone can be enumerated. This property introduces undesired policy issues. A second problem is that the cost to cryptographically secure delegations to unsigned zones is high for large delegation-centric zones and zones where insecure delegations will be updated rapidly. (Typically these are top level domains). For these zones, the costs of maintaining the NSEC record chain may be extremely high relative to the gain of cryptographically authenticating existence of unsecured zones. This document presents the NSEC3 Resource Record which can be used as an alternative to NSEC to mitigate these issues. This document introduces an alternative resource record, NSEC3, which similarly provides authenticated denial of existence. However, it also provides measures against zone enumeration and permits gradual expansion of delegation-centric zones. This specification is intended to be published on the standards track. Working Group Summary Was there anything in WG process that is worth noting? For example, was there controversy about particular points or were there decisions where the consensus was particularly rough? The OPT out feature of NSEC3 used to be a point of contention in the DNSEXT working group. The working group did not bring OPT-OUT up as an issue during the development of the draft or during last call. The chairs are convinced that the feature was not introduced under the radar and that the working group consents with the feature being introduced. The iterations count has been subject to discussion because it may be used to trigger DOS attacks on resolvers. The WG consensus is to recommend a limitation on the number of iterations that a resolver is supposed to carry out. Document Quality Are there existing implementations of the protocol? Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Are there any reviewers that merit special mention as having done a thorough review, e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a conclusion that the document had no substantive issues? If there was a MIB Doctor, Media Type or other expert review, what was its course (briefly)? In the case of a Media Type review, on what date was the request posted? During the development of the specification there were two workshops organized in which, among others, 3 operators (Nominet, Verisign and DENIC) and two Developers (ISC and NLnet) participated. During the workshops serious signaling issues were discovered which lead to the NSEC3PARAM RR. The specification has been implemented, albeit not in production code, in: BIND (authoritative server, validating resolver, caching name server), NSD (authoritative only), LDNS (library and troubleshooting tools), UNBOUND Java (validating resolver), Sparta's library (validating resolver), Net::DNS (Library, only parsing functions and helper methods) and about 4 different zone signers. Operators have indicated this specification to be imperative for DNSSEC deployment. Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Who is the Responsible Area Director? Is an IANA expert needed? Shepherd: Olaf Kolkman (olaf@nlnetlabs.nl) AD: Mark Townsley No specific IANA expertise is needed. Kind regards, --Olaf ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. 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+0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQOOz-0004dd-2O for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:47:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2BDlf6N093162; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:47:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33145.1173538457@sa.vix.com> References: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> <33145.1173538457@sa.vix.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:45:52 -0400 To: IETF DNSEXT WG From: Edward Lewis Subject: motivations, was Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 Cc: ed.lewis@neustar.biz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b At 14:54 +0000 3/10/07, Paul Vixie wrote: >online yet, and will bring its own installed base, and NSEC is a toy that'll >be swept away into the dustbin of RFCs nobody implements any more. so the 10 months ago - At 9:07 -0700 5/18/06, some one antagonistically wrote to namedroppers: >I suggest that unless Ed plans to actually deploy NSEC3 he should not be >permitted to attach new requirements for advancement at this late stage in >the process. Now...as Paul said...that is why I stuck my nose into NSEC3 a year ago. I don't mean to dredge up the animosity that led to the second comment, I show it as a point of data. That wasn't the only barbed commend I received, just the most public and archived one. Sometimes what might seem like a motivated attempt to stall a proposal might actually be rooted in a real concern for seeing something properly advance. Although I had no outward motive to care about NSEC3 as none of the registries I have ever been a part of would care about zone enumeration, I saw then what Paul is commenting now, that NSEC3 might completely replace NSEC whether or not zone enumeration is the issue. P.S. I am not insinuating that Paul is just now "seeing the light" nor made any barbed comment. It's just that his comment comes now. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Sarcasm doesn't scale. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Tori-mooney@afficionados.com.au Sun Mar 11 10:47:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQPKY-0003Y7-L2 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:47:26 -0400 Received: from [151.71.180.132] (helo=[151.71.180.132]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQPKU-0004eA-LC for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:47:26 -0400 Received: from D4LSZK2J (unknown [167.197.51.3]) by Tori-mooney@afficionados.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B625FADB669 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:47:43 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c763ec$2add5b10$84b44797@D4LSZK2J> From: "Tori mooney" To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: MPLGPLLGPL prevent bundling Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:47:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C763F4.8CA1C310" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: a8041eca2a724d631b098c15e9048ce9 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C763F4.8CA1C310 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01C763F4.8CA1C310" ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C763F4.8CA1C310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Today blessed kidding seriously. 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Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQTCr-000921-GP for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:55:45 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQTCp-00091R-GM for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:55:44 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920CC11430 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: DEW? X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.2; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:55:38 +0000 Message-ID: <49454.1173639338@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 did QTYPE=HTTP ever make it into the field in any measurable way? http://delivery.acm.org/10.1145/780000/775196/p310-krishnamurthy.pdf?key1=775196&key2=1308363711&coll=&dl=ACM&CFID=15151515&CFTOKEN=6184618 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Mar 11 16:08:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQULe-0002LA-01; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:08:54 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQULX-0002lg-8e; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:08:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQUFN-000D8C-Dr for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:02:25 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [82.93.240.211] (helo=adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQUFK-000D7l-TC for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:02:24 +0000 Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl ([213.244.168.210] ident=postfix) by adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HQUFH-0006DM-CD; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:02:19 +0100 Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DF67A3FB9; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:02:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:02:18 +0100 From: bert hubert To: Paul Vixie Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DEW? Message-ID: <20070311200218.GA4195@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <49454.1173639338@sa.vix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49454.1173639338@sa.vix.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 06:55:38PM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote: > did QTYPE=HTTP ever make it into the field in any measurable way? I've never seen it in my statistics, nor has anybody ever asked PowerDNS for support of that qtype. Bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Mar 11 18:34:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQWcJ-0005O8-Nw; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:34:15 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQWcE-00018r-9A; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:34:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQWX7-000Mpj-4z for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:28:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.184.167] (helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQWX5-000MpW-G8 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:28:52 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C19114039 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:28:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark_Andrews@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost.isc.org [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D834E60DD for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:28:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2BMSbqc013832; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:28:39 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200703112228.l2BMSbqc013832@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: bert hubert Cc: Paul Vixie , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: DEW? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:02:18 BST." <20070311200218.GA4195@outpost.ds9a.nl> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:28:37 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 > On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 06:55:38PM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote: > > did QTYPE=HTTP ever make it into the field in any measurable way? > > I've never seen it in my statistics, nor has anybody ever asked PowerDNS for > support of that qtype. > > Bert This is the first I've heard of it. -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Mar 11 18:42:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQWkL-0008Tf-Cc; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:42:33 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQWkD-0002S8-1s; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:42:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQWhP-000NX3-PX for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:39:31 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQWhO-000NWq-2S for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:39:30 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A397B11429 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:39:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: motivations, was Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:45:52 -0400." References: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> <33145.1173538457@sa.vix.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.2; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:39:29 +0000 Message-ID: <73364.1173652769@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a > From: Edward Lewis > ... > P.S. I am not insinuating that Paul is just now "seeing the light" > nor made any barbed comment. It's just that his comment comes now. on in e-mail to the following folks: To: John Curran cc: Randy Bush , Bill Woodcock , David Conrad , Rodney Joffe , Mark Kosters i spake thusly: then there's NSEC3, which will not actually have to co-exist with NSEC since (a) ..., and (b) .COM will never implement NSEC, so all useful validators in the world will support NSEC3 from "day 1". i was referring both to my general comments on the original opt-in debacle wherein verisign's perfectly reasonable request for opt-in was denied by the bloodthirsty torchbearing mob, and to my specific comments as made in message-id <20050808141228.342FE139A3@sa.vix.com>. so while i can believe that my comment which came now gave ed reason to remember what's gone on in this thread, it's not just now that my comment actually came. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Mar 11 20:39:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQYZH-0007dc-6I; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:39:15 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQYZC-0006xO-Nf; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:39:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQYT8-0003nv-Ce for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:32:54 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.184.167] (helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQYT6-0003n9-BI for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:32:53 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98F411402B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:32:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark_Andrews@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost.isc.org [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A338E60D9 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2C0WkTk026303 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:32:47 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200703120032.l2C0WkTk026303@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: IETF DNSEXT WG From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:26:48 BST." <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:32:46 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6e922792024732fb1bb6f346e63517e4 For the record, I think RFC 4034 is in error here. > Dear Colleagues, > > We recently discovered an interoperability problem that can be argued > to be a protocol bug or an editing error. > > A popular zone signer and its corresponding validator implementation > does not lowercase the next domain name in the RDATA, while > according to RFC4034 section 6.2 item 3 that should be done. The bug > was discovered when NSD was deployed as a one of the servers in an > authoritative server cloud. During the zone transfer NSD 'lowercases > the NSEC RDATA' and starts to hand out different NSEC RDATA then was > used for input. > > One could argue that NSEC is listed in item 3 of section 6.2 in 4034 > in error: The original NSEC specification (RFC3845) does not contain > rules to make NSEC canonical and therefore the default was to use the > RFC3597 (Unknown RRs) behavior. RFC3597 does not list. > > On the other hand one could argue that when the NSEC is a 'carbon > copy' of the NXT RR and therefore RFC3597 behavior should have > applied and not mentioning the requirement to lowercase the dname > before signature creation in RFC3845 was an error. This is factually incorrect. NSEC and NXT have different wire formats. The presentation formats are the same sans typecode. It was this difference that prompted the type code roll. > Besides, the > RFC35977 case preservation is (most) relevant for implementations of > DNSSEC validation code but those are also the ones that must have > detailed knowledge of the NSEC RR so IMHO the deviation of 4034 of > 3597 should in theory not have caused problems. > > One of the argument to lower-case the data before signing is that the > _information_ you want to transport with the NSEC RR is the > _canonical_ ordering in which casing is irrelevant. > > There is one practical example, a bit far fetched, where not > lowercasing the dname before signing can hurt you: > Assume two sites that AXFR data between them (AXFR does not guarantee > casing of onwer names to be preserved). Both dynamically generate > NSECs and sign then dynamically. Now we have the case that for one > zone the RRSIGs for the NSECs data generated by one server (which is > exactly the same as for the other, except for the casing) cannot be > used to validate the NSEC RRset of the other. A bit construed, but > still. Then that is up to the implemantions to sort out. The model for DNSSEC is a *single* master with transfer of the zone to the other authoritative nodes. Epsilon implementations may wish to note this. > I also understand there is an installed-base argument that weighs > heavily for saying that 4034 is in error: At this moment there are > implementations that take a different interpretation. I think it is > fair to say that the signer and validator with the largest deployment > base treat the data as case sensitive. Treats the record as opaque. The same is it treats every other record not mentioned as being special. RFC 4034 for NSEC was a rollup of existing RFC. > Because of the argument that it is the information in the NSEC that > matters, the protocol geek in me has a slight preference for the > interpretation as in 4034, it is cleaner protocol wise. Practically I > want to have this fixed ASAP and the least disruptive way is to scrap > NSEC from the above mentioned item 3 in 6.2 of 4034 and to have NLnet > Labs patch NSD. It is important that the working group chooses a > position fast. > > I leave it to Olafur to judge consensus. > > The result should go into draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-updates. If it is decided to make NSEC a special case then text needs to be added to say that the list of records with special processing has been extended. Mark > --Olaf > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Olaf M. Kolkman > NLnet Labs > http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 12 06:22:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQhfR-0002Gp-Qj; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:22:13 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQhfL-00047M-E8; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:22:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQhYf-000Kep-1h for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:15:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [213.154.224.50] (helo=bartok.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQhYa-000KdR-D1 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:15:12 +0000 Received: from bartok.nlnetlabs.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bartok.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2CAF1Pb049726 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:15:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jaap@bartok.nlnetlabs.nl) Message-Id: <200703121015.l2CAF1Pb049726@bartok.nlnetlabs.nl> To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DEW? In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:55:38 +0000. <49454.1173639338@sa.vix.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:15:01 +0100 From: Jaap Akkerhuis Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c did QTYPE=HTTP ever make it into the field in any measurable way? It didn't make it in the iana registry either. BTW, According to google the DEW paper was first published in 2003 (http://www2003.org/cdrom/papers/refereed/p428/p428-liston.html) jaap -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From krickerpulb@hotnet.ro Mon Mar 12 08:15:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQjQi-0007ht-5u; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:15:08 -0400 Received: from [85.204.119.2] (helo=hotnet.ro) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQjMk-0001Qh-Ob; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:52:52 -0900 From: "Alla" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mirtha" Cc: "Roland Mcdonald" , "Reyes Carr" , "Tomasa" , "Chere" Subject: Miss U Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------655138274147120417447034" X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 83e9494d829b08cc3f644ef6ac1b9bd4 --------------655138274147120417447034 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit



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required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,INFO_TLD autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQjQ7-0002EC-2y for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:14:32 +0000 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1HQjQ6-0003U1-Cb for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:14:30 -0500 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (ca.afilias.info, from userid 1019) id B1CF713744; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:12:34 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 Message-ID: <20070312121234.GA12043@dba3> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan References: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 10:26:48AM +0100, Olaf M. Kolkman wrote: > want to have this fixed ASAP and the least disruptive way is to scrap > NSEC from the above mentioned item 3 in 6.2 of 4034 and to have NLnet > Labs patch NSD. It is important that the working group chooses a > position fast. I think the running code wins, even if people think (and I don't know they do) that the RFC is correct. A -- ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 12 08:27:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQjcJ-0006NL-H0; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:27:07 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQjcA-0005h2-6d; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:27:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQjYc-0002uG-UJ for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:23:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [213.248.199.24] (helo=mx4.nominet.org.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQjYW-0002ti-U6 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:23:17 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO notes1.nominet.org.uk) ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2007 12:23:11 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,275,1170633600"; d="scan'208"; a="6985275:sNHT40587192" In-Reply-To: <20070312121234.GA12043@dba3> To: Andrew Sullivan Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V702MAC_11052006 November 05, 2006 Message-ID: From: Roy Arends Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:23:15 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 12/03/2007 12:23:10 PM, Serialize complete at 12/03/2007 12:23:10 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Andrew Sullivan wrote on 03/12/2007 01:12:34 PM: > On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 10:26:48AM +0100, Olaf M. Kolkman wrote: > > want to have this fixed ASAP and the least disruptive way is to scrap > > NSEC from the above mentioned item 3 in 6.2 of 4034 and to have NLnet > > Labs patch NSD. It is important that the working group chooses a > > position fast. > > I think the running code wins, even if people think (and I don't know > they do) that the RFC is correct. Which running code wins ? The one that conforms to the RFC, or the one that does not ? ;) Roy -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 12 08:57:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQk69-000353-4x; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:57:57 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQk65-0003kn-Oe; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:57:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQk4L-0005Ul-5X for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:56:05 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [213.154.224.1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQk4I-0005Su-20 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:56:04 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2CCttR3033513; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:55:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-3--24055612" Message-Id: <96D509D8-D90D-42EB-9F09-5621589487B2@NLnetLabs.nl> Cc: Andrew Sullivan , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:55:55 +0100 To: Roy Arends X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-3--24055612 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 12Mar 2007, at 1:23 PM, Roy Arends wrote: > Andrew Sullivan wrote on 03/12/2007 01:12:34 PM: > >> On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 10:26:48AM +0100, Olaf M. Kolkman wrote: >>> want to have this fixed ASAP and the least disruptive way is to >>> scrap >>> NSEC from the above mentioned item 3 in 6.2 of 4034 and to have >>> NLnet >>> Labs patch NSD. It is important that the working group chooses a >>> position fast. >> >> I think the running code wins, even if people think (and I don't know >> they do) that the RFC is correct. > > Which running code wins ? The one that conforms to the RFC, or the one > that does not ? > As it turns out, from off-band discussion, NSD will need treat the RDATA as an opaque blob for XFR purposes anyway. So a fix is on its way. As a practical side effect of that fix the likelihood of being 'hit' by the problem would decrease for people that validate using BIND or Net::DNS::SEC based code. The interoperability issue would still exist. Regardless if we strike NSEC from the list in item 3 in 6.2 of 4034 we would need to make the warning on the package pretty big and we would need to publish this relatively fast. --Olaf ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ --Apple-Mail-3--24055612 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. iD8DBQFF9U3ctN/ca3YJIocRAjTEAKDWZGAG3UDFNPuhUwQR3R6w39M/1QCgw7Fx CkknP8BrTINNAwVi+M1V8pk= =YMS9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-3--24055612-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 12 08:58:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQk6S-0004M8-6H; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:58:16 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQk6Q-0003lr-4v; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:58:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQk3M-0005P3-9k for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:55:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [213.248.199.24] (helo=mx4.nominet.org.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQk3J-0005MN-Hi for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:55:02 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO notes1.nominet.org.uk) ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2007 12:54:59 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,275,1170633600"; d="scan'208"; a="6985562:sNHT38794768" To: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: preserving case vs canonicalisation, was RFC4034 6.2 item 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V702MAC_11052006 November 05, 2006 Message-ID: From: Roy Arends Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:55:04 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 12/03/2007 12:54:59 PM, Serialize complete at 12/03/2007 12:54:59 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 In a perfect world, case is always preserved, though canonicalized for the sake of matching, signing and validation. Both implementation fail this point. One implementation, NSD, does not preserve case. i.e. it canonicalizes the data in the NSEC RDATA, and subsequently emits the canonicalized data. Another implementation, the popular one, does not canonicalize the NSEC RDATA before signing it. Removing the requirement in 6.2 point 3 is not an option imho. If we'd allow that, example.COM will not match EXAMPLE.com. Note that the wireformat of the NSEC rdata refers to canonical order, which includes downcasing as well. So far my pedantic protocol view. Changing the specs to bless bugs sets a precedent that we should avoid. Roy -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 12 09:18:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQkQ9-0003mX-Nk; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:18:37 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQkQ8-00085d-EC; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:18:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQkLN-0007Y0-MM for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:13:41 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,INFO_TLD autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQkLK-0007Xd-VC for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:13:40 +0000 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1HQkLK-0005ku-4Z for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:13:38 -0500 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (ca.afilias.info, from userid 1019) id 7BE4413744; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:11:42 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 Message-ID: <20070312131142.GA12965@dba3> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan References: <20070312121234.GA12043@dba3> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 01:23:15PM +0100, Roy Arends wrote: > Which running code wins ? The one that conforms to the RFC, or the one > that does not ? I should have coffee before writing email. What I meant, really, was the large installed base wins. (I don't think this is a universal principle, mind: an obviously wrong implementation that is everywhere wouldn't override the RFC. But where there is apparent disagreement over intent in the RFC, I think it's the right approach.) Sorry for the noise. A -- ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 12 09:48:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQktJ-0007v4-0W; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:48:45 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQktH-00077F-LX; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:48:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQknC-000AuK-Fz for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:42:26 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [213.248.199.24] (helo=mx4.nominet.org.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQkn9-000Atv-7D for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:42:25 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO notes1.nominet.org.uk) ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2007 13:42:21 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,275,1170633600"; d="scan'208"; a="6986112:sNHT38917612" In-Reply-To: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.1 January 17, 2006 Message-ID: From: "Geoffrey Sisson" Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:42:20 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 12/03/2007 01:42:21 PM, Serialize complete at 12/03/2007 01:42:21 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 "Olaf M. Kolkman" wrote on 2007-03-10 09:26:48: > Because of the argument that it is the information in the NSEC that > matters, the protocol geek in me has a slight preference for the > interpretation as in 4034, it is cleaner protocol wise. Practically I > want to have this fixed ASAP and the least disruptive way is to scrap > NSEC from the above mentioned item 3 in 6.2 of 4034 and to have NLnet > Labs patch NSD. It is important that the working group chooses a > position fast. From a risk assessment point-of-view, I think the damage caused by trying to change to protocol will be worse than the damage caused by the few corner cases that may be encountered in the interim until NSEC3 is published and deployed. NSEC3 deployment will probably cause most installations that use DNSSEC in anger (either publishing or validating) to upgrade. Geoff -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 12 11:17:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQmGv-0006BP-TX; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:17:13 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQmGO-0007Fu-R2; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:17:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQmAT-000Hqd-0c for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:10:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQmAC-000Hnz-FY for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:10:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2CFA6KP099745; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:10:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <73364.1173652769@sa.vix.com> References: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> <33145.1173538457@sa.vix.com> <73364.1173652769@sa.vix.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:15:08 -0400 To: Paul Vixie From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: motivations, was Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 At 22:39 +0000 3/11/07, Paul Vixie wrote: >this thread, it's not just now that my comment actually came. Oh, I'm sure the notion is not new, I doubt that I am the only or first to see the evolution of this. The "just now" referred to the to (instance of) the comment I was reacting to. ;) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Sarcasm doesn't scale. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Carpet@paluszak.com Mon Mar 12 14:35:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQpMx-0002aI-MM for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:35:39 -0400 Received: from host136-102.pool8291.interbusiness.it ([82.91.102.136]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQpMq-0005az-6b for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:35:39 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c764dd$9b321850$00000000@pcxp> From: "continues reign" To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Casper AF Johnson Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:35:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C764DD.9B321850" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 4.9 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 0e9ebc0cbd700a87c0637ad0e2c91610 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C764DD.9B321850 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01C764DD.9B321850" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C764DD.9B321850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chat chem chemistry chess chester christy. 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DNSEXT WG From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: preserving case vs canonicalisation, was RFC4034 6.2 item 3 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:55:04 BST." Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:02:26 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: dbb8771284c7a36189745aa720dc20ab > In a perfect world, case is always preserved, though canonicalized for the > sake of matching, signing and validation. > > Both implementation fail this point. > > One implementation, NSD, does not preserve case. i.e. it canonicalizes the > data in the NSEC RDATA, and subsequently emits the canonicalized data. > > Another implementation, the popular one, does not canonicalize the NSEC > RDATA before signing it. There was no requirement to canonicalize the dname in the NSEC record. The *only* requirement is that the dname in the NSEC sorts to after the owner name with the exception of the last NSEC record which points to the zone owner. ISC's implementation meets this requirement. EXAMPLE.COM == eXaMpLe.CoM == example.com for the purposes of NSEC. Nowhere was it specified that the next domain name field must be in canonical *form* only that it must be the next in canonical *order*. Order is not equivalent for form. RFC 3845 didn't specify it. RFC 4034, which replaces RFC 3845, didn't specify it. RFC 3597 specifically disallows downcasing for canonicalisation. RFC 4034 has no words to say that the list overrides the list in RFC 3597. Downcasing is not reqired for DNSSEC to work. Please remember downcasing was introduced to work around the cases where domain name compression made it impossible to guarantee the case of a domainname. NXT and SIG both allowed compression at some point. NSEC and RRSIG have never allowed compression to be used. It sets a bad precedent to compress NSEC and RRSIG. Mark RFC 3845 2.1.1. The Next Domain Name Field The Next Domain Name field contains the owner name of the next RR in the canonical ordering of the zone. The value of the Next Domain Name field in the last NSEC record in the zone is the name of the zone apex (the owner name of the zone's SOA RR). A sender MUST NOT use DNS name compression on the Next Domain Name field when transmitting an NSEC RR. Owner names of RRsets that are not authoritative for the given zone (such as glue records) MUST NOT be listed in the Next Domain Name unless at least one authoritative RRset exists at the same owner name. RFC 4034 4.1.1. The Next Domain Name Field The Next Domain field contains the next owner name (in the canonical ordering of the zone) that has authoritative data or contains a delegation point NS RRset; see Section 6.1 for an explanation of canonical ordering. The value of the Next Domain Name field in the last NSEC record in the zone is the name of the zone apex (the owner name of the zone's SOA RR). This indicates that the owner name of the NSEC RR is the last name in the canonical ordering of the zone. A sender MUST NOT use DNS name compression on the Next Domain Name field when transmitting an NSEC RR. Owner names of RRsets for which the given zone is not authoritative (such as glue records) MUST NOT be listed in the Next Domain Name unless at least one authoritative RRset exists at the same owner name. 6.2. Canonical RR Form ... 3. if the type of the RR is NS, MD, MF, CNAME, SOA, MB, MG, MR, PTR, HINFO, MINFO, MX, HINFO, RP, AFSDB, RT, SIG, PX, NXT, NAPTR, KX, SRV, DNAME, A6, RRSIG, or NSEC, all uppercase US-ASCII letters in the DNS names contained within the RDATA are replaced by the corresponding lowercase US-ASCII letters; RFC 3597 As a courtesy to implementors, it is hereby noted that the complete set of such previously published RR types that contain embedded domain names, and whose DNSSEC canonical form therefore involves downcasing according to the DNS rules for character comparisons, consists of the RR types NS, MD, MF, CNAME, SOA, MB, MG, MR, PTR, HINFO, MINFO, MX, HINFO, RP, AFSDB, RT, SIG, PX, NXT, NAPTR, KX, SRV, DNAME, and A6. This document specifies that for all other RR types (whether treated as unknown types or treated as known types according to an RR type definition RFC more recent than RFC 3597), the canonical form is such that no downcasing of embedded domain names takes place, and otherwise identical to the canonical form specified in [RFC2535] section 8.1. > Removing the requirement in 6.2 point 3 is not an option imho. If we'd > allow that, example.COM will not match EXAMPLE.com. > > Note that the wireformat of the NSEC rdata refers to canonical order, > which includes downcasing as well. > > So far my pedantic protocol view. > > Changing the specs to bless bugs sets a precedent that we should avoid. > > Roy > > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From letheshadowi@dstsystems.com Mon Mar 12 17:14:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQrqQ-0005K2-MT; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:14:14 -0400 Received: from [221.148.102.79] (helo=dstsystems.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQrqK-0000cQ-8L; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:14:14 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:56:58 +0300 From: "Cherilyn Elliott" X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kallie Barnes" Cc: "Tamesha Ray" , "Elana Barnes" , "Fumiko" , "Moshe Fox" , "Oretha Williams" , "Lavon" , "Augustine Bradley" , "Derrick Kennedy" , "Valene Martin" , "Nenita" , "Suzie" Subject: Get It Now Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------476710285876250728770220" X-Spam-Score: 4.3 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: bfe538a859d88717fa3c8a6377d62f90 --------------476710285876250728770220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


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X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,INFO_TLD autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.184.167] (helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQrvb-000JBL-E1 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:19:36 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA9D11401F for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:19:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark_Andrews@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost.isc.org [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F641E60DD for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:19:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2CLJSsC051716; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:19:29 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200703122119.l2CLJSsC051716@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Andrew Sullivan Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:11:42 EDT." <20070312131142.GA12965@dba3> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:19:28 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 > On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 01:23:15PM +0100, Roy Arends wrote: > > Which running code wins ? The one that conforms to the RFC, or the one > > that does not ? It's actually dualing RFC's. The rollup into RFC 4034 changed how NSECs were handled and no one noticed because it was a unnecessary change. It's only coming up now as we have a implementation that is basically written after RFC 4034. > I should have coffee before writing email. What I meant, really, was > the large installed base wins. (I don't think this is a universal > principle, mind: an obviously wrong implementation that is everywhere > wouldn't override the RFC. But where there is apparent disagreement > over intent in the RFC, I think it's the right approach.) > > Sorry for the noise. > > A > > -- > ---- > Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street > Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada > M2P 2A8 > +1 416 646 3304 x4110 > > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 12 19:22:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQtqw-0004w0-7G; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:22:54 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQtqr-0001Lf-Q7; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:22:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQtlp-0000bp-FO for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:17:37 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [213.154.224.43] (helo=sol.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQtlm-0000bW-P3 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:17:36 +0000 Received: from jelte (vhe-410064.sshn.net [195.169.215.155]) by sol.nlnetlabs.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62D41881F3; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:17:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.8.10] (unknown [192.168.8.10]) by jelte (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E87BCFCEF; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:17:05 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45F5DF8C.8070609@NLnetLabs.nl> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:17:32 +0100 From: Jelte Jansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Andrews Cc: Roy Arends , IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: preserving case vs canonicalisation, was RFC4034 6.2 item 3 References: <200703122102.l2CL2QjS051554@drugs.dv.isc.org> In-Reply-To: <200703122102.l2CL2QjS051554@drugs.dv.isc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Andrews wrote: > There was no requirement to canonicalize the dname in the > NSEC record. The *only* requirement is that the dname in > the NSEC sorts to after the owner name with the exception > of the last NSEC record which points to the zone owner. > > ISC's implementation meets this requirement. > > EXAMPLE.COM == eXaMpLe.CoM == example.com > > for the purposes of NSEC. > > Nowhere was it specified that the next domain name field must > be in canonical *form* only that it must be the next in > canonical *order*. Order is not equivalent for form. > For the purposes of NSEC, example.com == EXAMPLE.COM For the purposes of RRSIG however, section 3.1 specifies: Any DNS names in the RDATA field of each RR MUST be in canonical form; and The RRset MUST be sorted in canonical order. See Sections 6.2 and 6.3 for details on canonical form and ordering of RRsets. The interoperability problem isn't in the NSECs themselves, it's in their signatures. The canonicalization problem of the NSEC records just triggered it. Now whether or not NSEC belongs in the list in 6.2, at this point we have at least four implementations that seem to disagree on this point. Some lowercase prior to signing/verifying, some don't. Some implementations must be changed, and depending on which, the rfc must be updated. Either way, this probably warrants some (more) text in the dnssec bis updates draft. Jelte -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF9d+L4nZCKsdOncURAmU7AJ9BLUy2fxdCpmZleTfYVRtNwNxtCACfbqN3 1XcmnHGW/jIEXaMY4tuETAE= =Odf5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 12 21:18:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQveT-0007cj-Uk; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:18:09 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HQveQ-0006hX-Id; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:18:09 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQvYe-000AxY-T4 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:12:08 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.184.167] (helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HQvYc-000AxF-Je for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:12:07 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DC2114039 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:12:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark_Andrews@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost.isc.org [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3FCE60DD for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:12:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2D19D8e021141; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:09:13 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200703130109.l2D19D8e021141@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Jelte Jansen Cc: Roy Arends , IETF DNSEXT WG From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: preserving case vs canonicalisation, was RFC4034 6.2 item 3 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:17:32 BST." <45F5DF8C.8070609@NLnetLabs.nl> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:09:13 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d185fa790257f526fedfd5d01ed9c976 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Mark Andrews wrote: > > There was no requirement to canonicalize the dname in the > > NSEC record. The *only* requirement is that the dname in > > the NSEC sorts to after the owner name with the exception > > of the last NSEC record which points to the zone owner. > > > > ISC's implementation meets this requirement. > > > > EXAMPLE.COM == eXaMpLe.CoM == example.com > > > > for the purposes of NSEC. > > > > Nowhere was it specified that the next domain name field must > > be in canonical *form* only that it must be the next in > > canonical *order*. Order is not equivalent for form. > > > > For the purposes of NSEC, example.com == EXAMPLE.COM > > For the purposes of RRSIG however, section 3.1 specifies: > > Any DNS names in the RDATA field of each RR MUST be in > canonical form; and The canonical form when NSEC was created DID NOT include down casing. We looked at this when NSEC was created and there was clear guidance in the existing RFCs (see RFC 3597). > The RRset MUST be sorted in canonical order. > > See Sections 6.2 and 6.3 for details on canonical form and ordering > of RRsets. > > The interoperability problem isn't in the NSECs themselves, it's in > their signatures. The canonicalization problem of the NSEC records just > triggered it. I understand that. We should have never allowed the list of RR types which get downcased to be changed. There was NEVER a technical reason to down case NSEC or RRSIG as they NEVER were subject to domain name compression. > Now whether or not NSEC belongs in the list in 6.2, at this point we > have at least four implementations that seem to disagree on this point. > Some lowercase prior to signing/verifying, some don't. Some > implementations must be changed, and depending on which, the rfc must be > updated. Either way, this probably warrants some (more) text in the > dnssec bis updates draft. RFC 4034 retroactively changed the canonicalisation rules for NSEC and RRSIG for not good reason. Yes, it will require text. > Jelte > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFF9d+L4nZCKsdOncURAmU7AJ9BLUy2fxdCpmZleTfYVRtNwNxtCACfbqN3 > 1XcmnHGW/jIEXaMY4tuETAE= > =Odf5 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 13 08:46:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HR6On-0001WR-Oh; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:46:41 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HR6Oj-00041q-EA; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:46:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HR6IU-0000UI-6w for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:40:10 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [212.9.189.167] (helo=mail.enyo.de) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HR6IQ-0000Sx-Ve for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:40:09 +0000 Received: from deneb.vpn.enyo.de ([212.9.189.177] helo=deneb.enyo.de) by mail.enyo.de with esmtp id 1HR6IL-0007Eo-VA; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:40:02 +0100 Received: from fw by deneb.enyo.de with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HR6Hc-00031U-Rb; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:39:16 +0100 From: Florian Weimer To: bert hubert Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: heads up: some practical DNS real life things you might want to know References: <20060414074226.GB6380@outpost.ds9a.nl> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:39:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20060414074226.GB6380@outpost.ds9a.nl> (bert hubert's message of "Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:42:27 +0200") Message-ID: <87r6rtnwqz.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 * bert hubert: > 1) Mandatory compression > There are domestic routers out there that proxy DNS queries, so computers > behind it configure the router as their nameserver. In the course of > migrating a large access provider to the PowerDNS recursor, the helpdesk > received a slow trickle of calls from owners of certain brands of router who > lost the ability to resolve domains, and hence use the internet. > > A long period of study later it was discovered a recent change in PowerDNS > disabled compression of the first DNS answer against the original question, > and that these routers consider 'c0 0c' to be a magic 'Start of Answer' > marker. And crash when they can't find it. I've just had a brief look at the source code of such a DNS proxy. Besides tons of buffer overflows, it only honored the lower 8 bits of the compression offset. It's likely that it doesn't affect the answer section even if you don't special-code this case in the resolver code, but with CNAME chaining, you really can't be sure. *sigh* -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From kissing@origination.net Tue Mar 13 11:25:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HR8s3-00039c-Im for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:25:03 -0400 Received: from host162-75-static.59-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it ([217.59.75.162]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HR8s0-0000EP-OC for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:25:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c76583$5e718e90$00000000@Gianluigi> From: "west" To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: awardedit Boy CB Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:22:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C7658B.C035F690" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 2.3 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 0bb031f3a6fb29f760794ac9bf1997ae ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C7658B.C035F690 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000C_01C7658B.C035F690" ------=_NextPart_001_000C_01C7658B.C035F690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jonesquot rumors incredible hulk. 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4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRCmk-000I2P-UM for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:35:50 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRCmh-000I2E-Od for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:35:49 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2DJZYs3022353 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:35:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200703131935.l2DJZYs3022353@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:35:12 -0400 To: IETF DNSEXT WG From: Olafur Gudmundsson Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 In-Reply-To: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> References: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a2c12dacc0736f14d6b540e805505a86 This discussion seems to be coming to a conclusion, but to make sure everyone is in agreement I want to ask people to answer few simple questions about the general case. The IPSECKEY RR is defined in RFC4025 it is published after RFC3597 which sets the rules for handling of future RR's. In the answers below say what you think is the Right thing to do not what your favorite implementation does. 1. The gateway field in IPSECKEY is a domain name 1.a: Can it be compressed ? 1.b: Can its case be changed as the Record passes through the DNS ? 1.c: Should the DNSSEC domain name canonical rules be applied to the name before it is signed/verified ? 1.d: Please explain your reasoning 2. Explain why different rules should apply to NSEC [RFC3845] and/or NSEC3 [RFC-to-be]? 3. what RFC's needs to be clarified? Olafur (acting as King Solomon) At 05:26 10/03/2007, Olaf M. Kolkman wrote: >Dear Colleagues, > >We recently discovered an interoperability problem that can be argued >to be a protocol bug or an editing error. > >A popular zone signer and its corresponding validator implementation >does not lowercase the next domain name in the RDATA, while >according to RFC4034 section 6.2 item 3 that should be done. The bug >was discovered when NSD was deployed as a one of the servers in an >authoritative server cloud. During the zone transfer NSD 'lowercases >the NSEC RDATA' and starts to hand out different NSEC RDATA then was >used for input. > >One could argue that NSEC is listed in item 3 of section 6.2 in 4034 >in error: The original NSEC specification (RFC3845) does not contain >rules to make NSEC canonical and therefore the default was to use the >RFC3597 (Unknown RRs) behavior. RFC3597 does not list. > >On the other hand one could argue that when the NSEC is a 'carbon >copy' of the NXT RR and therefore RFC3597 behavior should have >applied and not mentioning the requirement to lowercase the dname >before signature creation in RFC3845 was an error. Besides, the >RFC35977 case preservation is (most) relevant for implementations of >DNSSEC validation code but those are also the ones that must have >detailed knowledge of the NSEC RR so IMHO the deviation of 4034 of >3597 should in theory not have caused problems. > >One of the argument to lower-case the data before signing is that the >_information_ you want to transport with the NSEC RR is the >_canonical_ ordering in which casing is irrelevant. > >There is one practical example, a bit far fetched, where not >lowercasing the dname before signing can hurt you: >Assume two sites that AXFR data between them (AXFR does not guarantee >casing of onwer names to be preserved). Both dynamically generate >NSECs and sign then dynamically. Now we have the case that for one >zone the RRSIGs for the NSECs data generated by one server (which is >exactly the same as for the other, except for the casing) cannot be >used to validate the NSEC RRset of the other. A bit construed, but >still. > >I also understand there is an installed-base argument that weighs >heavily for saying that 4034 is in error: At this moment there are >implementations that take a different interpretation. I think it is >fair to say that the signer and validator with the largest deployment >base treat the data as case sensitive. > >Because of the argument that it is the information in the NSEC that >matters, the protocol geek in me has a slight preference for the >interpretation as in 4034, it is cleaner protocol wise. Practically I >want to have this fixed ASAP and the least disruptive way is to scrap >NSEC from the above mentioned item 3 in 6.2 of 4034 and to have NLnet >Labs patch NSD. It is important that the working group chooses a >position fast. > >I leave it to Olafur to judge consensus. > >The result should go into draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-updates. > >--Olaf -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 13 16:10:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRDK2-0008Og-Id; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:10:14 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRDJz-0000OU-1n; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:10:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRDFv-000KLW-B5 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:05:59 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [81.91.160.27] (helo=denic.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRDFs-000KL1-2w for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:05:57 +0000 Received: by unknown.office.denic.de (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2938145D72C; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:05:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:05:49 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: preserving case vs canonicalisation, was RFC4034 6.2 item 3 Message-ID: <20070313200549.GB1110@unknown.office.denic.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 01:55:04PM +0100, Roy Arends wrote: > Both implementation fail this point. FWIW, I agree. Case should have been preserved as per 2.3.3 of RFC 1035 and the NSEC RDATA should have been canonicalized for signing because of RFC 4034 (and because the signer _can_). A validator agnostic of NSEC and thus not being able to downcase before validating the NSEC RR's signature would be in trouble - but it would be in trouble anyway. I also agree that there was no immediate reason to list NSEC in that list in RFC 4034. -Peter (who still wonders whether it would be possible to sneak a "wrongly cased" NSEC RR into a validator for a DoS attack) PS: The list in section 6.2 of RFC 4034 has another (cosmetic) issue: RFC 1123 (6.1.3.6) strictly obsoletes the MD and MF RR types, so there's no point in giving advice on how to implement or deal with them. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 13 18:57:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRFvd-0003wS-6y; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:57:13 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRFvU-0007lu-SM; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:57:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRFpr-00036J-2i for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:51:15 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [213.248.199.23] (helo=mx3.nominet.org.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRFpl-00035v-W6; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:51:11 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO notes1.nominet.org.uk) ([213.248.197.128]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2007 22:51:08 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,281,1170633600"; d="scan'208"; a="7616164:sNHT38462724" In-Reply-To: <200703131935.l2DJZYs3022353@ogud.com> To: Olafur Gudmundsson Cc: IETF DNSEXT WG , owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V702MAC_11052006 November 05, 2006 Message-ID: From: Roy Arends Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:51:21 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 13/03/2007 10:51:07 PM, Serialize complete at 13/03/2007 10:51:07 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org wrote on 03/13/2007 08:35:12 PM: > > This discussion seems to be coming to a conclusion, but to make sure > everyone is in agreement I want to ask people to answer few simple > questions about the general case. The IPSECKEY RR is defined in RFC4025 > it is published after RFC3597 which sets the rules for handling of > future RR's. > > In the answers below say what you think is the Right thing to do not > what your favorite implementation does. > > 1. The gateway field in IPSECKEY is a domain name > 1.a: Can it be compressed ? No. Compression would cause resolvers agnostic of IPSECKEY to fail to decompress it before shipping it to the client. > 1.b: Can its case be changed as the Record passes through the DNS ? No. IPSECKEY agnostic resolvers/validators treat this as an unknown blob. If anything up the wire changed anything in the rdata, validators will fail to validate the unknown blob. > 1.c: Should the DNSSEC domain name canonical rules be applied > to the name before it is signed/verified ? No. The canonical rules should just be applied to the ownername at nsec generation time (for the purpose of canonical sorting) and at rrsig generation time. not to anything in rdata. > 1.d: Please explain your reasoning Thou Shall Not Fondle With Rdata. > 2. Explain why different rules should apply to NSEC [RFC3845] These should not been different for NSEC. I know they are. But they should not. > and/or NSEC3 [RFC-to-be]? There is no domain name in NSEC3 rdata. If you're referring to the next hash domain name, it is a binary blob, a hash. > 3. what RFC's needs to be clarified? Nothing really. If one would follow RFC 4034 to the letter, we're all fine. Roy -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From yaxoqixuroipy@tie.cl Tue Mar 13 19:20:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRGId-00022h-18; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:20:59 -0400 Received: from [190.82.33.251] (helo=tie.cl) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRGIY-0002VT-BJ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:20:58 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:10:09 -1100 Reply-To: "Genevieve Morrison" From: "Genevieve Morrison" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mariel Kelley" Cc: "Camellia Berry" , "Elton" , "Lacie" , "Mana Reyes" , "Janella" , "Bee" , "Venetta Boyd" , "Lemuel" , "Monique Smith" , "Treasa Hawkins" Subject: How's Everything Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------644383717147182732830847" X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 83e9494d829b08cc3f644ef6ac1b9bd4 --------------644383717147182732830847 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


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owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 13 19:31:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRGSh-0005db-E9; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:31:23 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRGSc-00042g-UX; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:31:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRGPy-0004jD-T3 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:28:34 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.184.167] (helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRGPw-0004ir-0g for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:28:33 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D53A114027 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:28:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark_Andrews@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost.isc.org [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D75E60DC for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:28:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2DNSNeX089585; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:28:24 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200703132328.l2DNSNeX089585@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Olafur Gudmundsson Cc: IETF DNSEXT WG From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:35:12 EDT." <200703131935.l2DJZYs3022353@ogud.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:28:23 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5d7a7e767f20255fce80fa0b77fb2433 > > This discussion seems to be coming to a conclusion, but to make sure > everyone is in agreement I want to ask people to answer few simple > questions about the general case. The IPSECKEY RR is defined in RFC4025 > it is published after RFC3597 which sets the rules for handling of > future RR's. > > In the answers below say what you think is the Right thing to do not > what your favorite implementation does. > > 1. The gateway field in IPSECKEY is a domain name > 1.a: Can it be compressed ? > 1.b: Can its case be changed as the Record passes through the DNS ? > 1.c: Should the DNSSEC domain name canonical rules be applied > to the name before it is signed/verified ? > 1.d: Please explain your reasoning 1.a: No. (as per RFC 4025 and as per RFC3597) 1.b: No. (as pre RFC 1034 Section 3.1. and as per RFC3597 Section 3) 1.c: Yes. however you asked the wrong question. It you mean should we downcase before signing / verifying then the answer is No. > 2. Explain why different rules should apply to NSEC [RFC3845] > and/or NSEC3 [RFC-to-be]? They shouldn't. > 3. what RFC's needs to be clarified? RFC 4034 to remove NSEC and RRSIG from the list of records that need to be downcased to bring it back into line with RFC3597. Note the -04 draft was in line with RFC3597 and I saw no discussion about changing it between the -04 announcement and the -05 announcement in namedroppers archives. I also saw no discussion about changing the list in the period leading up to -04 announcement. > Olafur (acting as King Solomon) > > > At 05:26 10/03/2007, Olaf M. Kolkman wrote: > > > >Dear Colleagues, > > > >We recently discovered an interoperability problem that can be argued > >to be a protocol bug or an editing error. > > > >A popular zone signer and its corresponding validator implementation > >does not lowercase the next domain name in the RDATA, while > >according to RFC4034 section 6.2 item 3 that should be done. The bug > >was discovered when NSD was deployed as a one of the servers in an > >authoritative server cloud. During the zone transfer NSD 'lowercases > >the NSEC RDATA' and starts to hand out different NSEC RDATA then was > >used for input. > > > >One could argue that NSEC is listed in item 3 of section 6.2 in 4034 > >in error: The original NSEC specification (RFC3845) does not contain > >rules to make NSEC canonical and therefore the default was to use the > >RFC3597 (Unknown RRs) behavior. RFC3597 does not list. > > > >On the other hand one could argue that when the NSEC is a 'carbon > >copy' of the NXT RR and therefore RFC3597 behavior should have > >applied and not mentioning the requirement to lowercase the dname > >before signature creation in RFC3845 was an error. Besides, the > >RFC35977 case preservation is (most) relevant for implementations of > >DNSSEC validation code but those are also the ones that must have > >detailed knowledge of the NSEC RR so IMHO the deviation of 4034 of > >3597 should in theory not have caused problems. > > > >One of the argument to lower-case the data before signing is that the > >_information_ you want to transport with the NSEC RR is the > >_canonical_ ordering in which casing is irrelevant. > > > >There is one practical example, a bit far fetched, where not > >lowercasing the dname before signing can hurt you: > >Assume two sites that AXFR data between them (AXFR does not guarantee > >casing of onwer names to be preserved). Both dynamically generate > >NSECs and sign then dynamically. Now we have the case that for one > >zone the RRSIGs for the NSECs data generated by one server (which is > >exactly the same as for the other, except for the casing) cannot be > >used to validate the NSEC RRset of the other. A bit construed, but > >still. > > > >I also understand there is an installed-base argument that weighs > >heavily for saying that 4034 is in error: At this moment there are > >implementations that take a different interpretation. I think it is > >fair to say that the signer and validator with the largest deployment > >base treat the data as case sensitive. > > > >Because of the argument that it is the information in the NSEC that > >matters, the protocol geek in me has a slight preference for the > >interpretation as in 4034, it is cleaner protocol wise. Practically I > >want to have this fixed ASAP and the least disruptive way is to scrap > >NSEC from the above mentioned item 3 in 6.2 of 4034 and to have NLnet > >Labs patch NSD. It is important that the working group chooses a > >position fast. > > > >I leave it to Olafur to judge consensus. > > > >The result should go into draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-updates. > > > >--Olaf > > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From allenfcqt@startglobelife.com Wed Mar 14 01:49:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRMMW-0007m0-22 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:49:24 -0400 Received: from [121.130.79.60] (helo=121.130.79.60) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRMMS-0004NM-NI for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:49:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:47:52 -0400 From: Pablo Merritt Reply-To: Pablo Merritt Message-ID: <822310909817.367395210650@startglobelife.com> To: Subject: Microsoft Office 2007 Enterprise ready to download MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 3.7 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Office 2007 is available for enterprise users from November 30, 2006. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Mar 14 05:18:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRPd5-0001ju-BJ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:18:43 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRPcy-00024n-UQ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:18:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRPWJ-000H0O-Q8 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:11:43 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [213.154.224.1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRPWG-000Gzx-CZ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:11:42 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (open.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.1]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2E9BM2U030321; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:11:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olaf@NLnetLabs.nl) In-Reply-To: <200703132328.l2DNSNeX089585@drugs.dv.isc.org> References: <200703132328.l2DNSNeX089585@drugs.dv.isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-18-135269625" Message-Id: Cc: IETF DNSEXT WG , Mark Andrews Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Olaf M. Kolkman" Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:11:21 +0100 To: Olafur Gudmundsson X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.2 (Tiger) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-18-135269625 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Olafur Oh Thou Mighty King ;-) On 14Mar 2007, at 12:28 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: >> In the answers below say what you think is the Right thing to do not >> what your favorite implementation does. >> >> 1. The gateway field in IPSECKEY is a domain name >> 1.a: Can it be compressed ? >> 1.b: Can its case be changed as the Record passes through >> the DNS ? >> 1.c: Should the DNSSEC domain name canonical rules be >> applied >> to the name before it is signed/verified ? >> 1.d: Please explain your reasoning > > 1.a: No. (as per RFC 4025 and as per RFC3597) > 1.b: No. (as pre RFC 1034 Section 3.1. and as per RFC3597 Section 3) > 1.c: Yes. however you asked the wrong question. > It you mean should we downcase before signing / verifying then > the answer is No. > I agree with Mark here, item 3 of 6.3 of RFC4032 is clear. IPSECKEY is not one of the RRtypes enumerated there: 3. if the type of the RR is NS, MD, MF, CNAME, SOA, MB, MG, MR, PTR, HINFO, MINFO, MX, HINFO, RP, AFSDB, RT, SIG, PX, NXT, NAPTR, KX, SRV, DNAME, A6, RRSIG, or NSEC, all uppercase US-ASCII letters in the DNS names contained within the RDATA are replaced by the corresponding lowercase US-ASCII letters; > >> 2. Explain why different rules should apply to NSEC [RFC3845] >> and/or NSEC3 [RFC-to-be]? > > They shouldn't. One could also argue that the NSEC draft dropped the ball and should be clarified. The argument would be that the downcasing provides more robustness against implementations that do mingle with the RDATA and that a DNSSEC-bis aware validator/signer will not treat NSEC as an opaque blob anyway. I will not pursue that argument but I am mentioning the line of thought because I think that if we had discussed this issue when there would have been no fielded implementations the outcome may well have been the current text. I can consent with NSEC being removed from the enumeration in item 3. --Olaf ----------------------------------------------------------- Olaf M. Kolkman NLnet Labs http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ --Apple-Mail-18-135269625 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) Comment: This message is locally signed. iD8DBQFF97w5tN/ca3YJIocRAlTFAJ0agx2nuejJ4X0mGsmmVHMKgJi5yACgu+5P X5vkt2KEkRTzoREVBVhjW6Y= =i481 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-18-135269625-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Mar 14 17:02:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRacH-0004JQ-1y; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:02:37 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRacE-0003nF-GH; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:02:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRaUR-000Evw-8Q for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:54:31 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,INFO_TLD autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRaUP-000EvY-4i for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:54:30 +0000 Received: from roaming14.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.244]) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1HRaUL-0000mb-Cf for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:54:25 -0500 Received: by roaming14.int.libertyrms.com (Postfix, from userid 1019) id E198C2D5C07; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:53:54 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 Message-ID: <20070314205354.GO952@afilias.info> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan References: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> <200703131935.l2DJZYs3022353@ogud.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200703131935.l2DJZYs3022353@ogud.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 03:35:12PM -0400, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > 1. The gateway field in IPSECKEY is a domain name > 1.a: Can it be compressed ? No. > 1.b: Can its case be changed as the Record passes through the DNS ? No. > 1.c: Should the DNSSEC domain name canonical rules be applied > to the name before it is signed/verified ? I don't think so. > 1.d: Please explain your reasoning RFC 3597 does not list IPSECKEY in Section 7. Therefore, any fiddling with the RDATA is not allowed. > 2. Explain why different rules should apply to NSEC [RFC3845] > and/or NSEC3 [RFC-to-be]? One might argue that the value to DNSSEC of catching such cases is great enough that the rules in RFC 3597 can be violated. That seems like a pretty high bar to jump, though, and would require fairly extensive discussion by the working group, I think. I don't see such discussion in the archive, and in its absence, I can't think of a reason to apply different rules. > 3. what RFC's needs to be clarified? It appears that RFC 4034 includes the same list if RRs as RFC 3597 (right down to listing HINFO twice), except that adds RRSIG and NSEC. That appears to violate the rules in RFC 3597. So it likely needs fixing. 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tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRru9-0000BC-7A for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:30:15 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FFURuL025883 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:30:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200703151530.l2FFURuL025883@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:29:26 -0400 To: IETF DNSEXT WG From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Subject: Proposed resolution of Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 In-Reply-To: <200703132328.l2DNSNeX089585@drugs.dv.isc.org> References: <200703132328.l2DNSNeX089585@drugs.dv.isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8de5f93cb2b4e3bee75302e9eacc33db After reading the thread on this issue and researching the history the paragraph in question, I'm ready to make a recommendation on how to proceed. Below is short history and my recommendation of what to do. At 19:28 13/03/2007, Mark Andrews wrote: > RFC 4034 to remove NSEC and RRSIG from the list of records > that need to be downcased to bring it back into line with > RFC3597. > > Note the -04 draft was in line with RFC3597 and I saw no > discussion about changing it between the -04 announcement > and the -05 announcement in namedroppers archives. I also > saw no discussion about changing the list in the period > leading up to -04 announcement. I did take a look at the archives of dnssec-editors mailing list and the CVS archive of the documents to figure out what happened here. I did not look inside the Ticket system archive as there is no mention of a ticket being created around this item. During a real intense editing session around Sept 25'th 2003 following email exchange proceeded the change in the document. names of editors involved are not important: Ed1: asks in email: >Should we add NSEC RRSIG to this list (to be complete) or leave this to >previous sections (as is now). Ed2: replies few minutes later: >We probably better add it, if only for completeness. Can't hurt. Ed1: few minutes later: >added, committed. This was the end of the discussion. There was a conference call by the editors and chairs the day after but as far as I can tell and recollect this issue was not discussed, most of the time was used to discuss the NSEC and wild card interaction. So in my opinion the chairs let the working group down by not saying stop what are the implications of this change. The other editors did not say anything, the ED2 above made a quick judgement call without thinking the issue through. It is hard to determine how hard ED1 thought about the issue but his email does not list issues. The working group members also share some blame for not questioning this change. (Of course if tools.ietf.org wdiff tool had been available at the time this would have been easier). To be fair to the people involved, there where number of other issues handled the same way and this mostly worked well. Secondly none of us could at the time, imagine an implementation that blindly down cases inside RDATA based on this list. Proposed change: RFC3597 trumps RFC403x NSEC and RRSIG should be removed from the list of types to apply DNSSEC canonical down casing name rules to domain names in RDATA. Justification: Only domain names that are candidates for domain compression need the protection of the canonical name representation, all other domain names SHOULD/MUST have the expectation to not change during transition through the DNS system. As RFC304x are inconsistent by not allowing domain name compression in the types defined after RFC3597, then listing them is needing the protection applied to compressible names. It is safe to make this change. WG Actions: DNSSEC-bis-updates will reflect this change as soon a possible i.e. after chair confirms this proposed change on the mailing list. The working group will have at least one week to discuss this issue on the mailing list and at the DNSEXT meeting next week. Affected implementations: It looks like the new kids on the block need to change their behavior. Lets thank them for identifying the issue. Olafur -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Mar 15 14:50:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRv1s-0002ti-M5; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:50:24 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRv1r-0007C0-9e; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:50:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRuus-000CP5-Vh for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:43:10 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [157.185.61.2] (helo=M4.sparta.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRuuk-000CNa-49 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:43:08 +0000 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2FIgrcM026537; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:42:53 -0500 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FIgrhG026133; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:42:54 -0500 Received: from localhost ([157.185.80.253]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:42:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:42:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Weiler X-X-Sender: weiler@mint.samweiler.com To: Mark Andrews cc: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 In-Reply-To: <200703120032.l2C0WkTk026303@drugs.dv.isc.org> Message-ID: References: <200703120032.l2C0WkTk026303@drugs.dv.isc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2007 18:42:53.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD679890:01C76731] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:42:53 -0500 (CDT) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f On Mon, 12 Mar 2007, Mark Andrews wrote: > ... NSEC and NXT have different wire > formats. The presentation formats are the same sans typecode. > It was this difference that prompted the type code roll. Perhaps we recall the history differently. RFC3755 justifies the type code roll for another reason (having to do with an underspecification in RFC2535, or, for the more cynical, the severe brokenness of a widely deployed resolver). We changed the wire format at the same time (with RFC3845) for different reasons. -- Sam -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Mar 15 15:16:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRvQt-0005Ub-2Y; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:16:15 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRvQd-0003Rg-V6; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:16:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRvMi-000EVS-Ku for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:11:56 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [157.185.61.2] (helo=M4.sparta.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRvMd-000EV3-Jz for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:11:53 +0000 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2FJBgHs027835; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:11:42 -0500 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FJBefH027750; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:11:41 -0500 Received: from localhost ([157.185.80.253]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:11:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:11:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Weiler X-X-Sender: weiler@mint.samweiler.com To: Olafur Gudmundsson cc: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 In-Reply-To: <200703131935.l2DJZYs3022353@ogud.com> Message-ID: References: <040FB311-41B3-4906-8593-F56E26E8C835@NLnetLabs.nl> <200703131935.l2DJZYs3022353@ogud.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2007 19:11:40.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2D5AF20:01C76735] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:11:42 -0500 (CDT) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 I like Roy's answers to these questions. > 1. The gateway field in IPSECKEY is a domain name > 1.a: Can it be compressed ? No, for the reasons specified by Roy and because 4025 says so in section 2.3. > 1.b: Can its case be changed as the Record passes through the > DNS ? No. RFC3597. > 1.c: Should the DNSSEC domain name canonical rules be applied > to the name before it is signed/verified ? As Mark said, wrong question. Don't mess with the RDATA in any way. > 2. Explain why different rules should apply to NSEC [RFC3845] > and/or NSEC3 [RFC-to-be]? For NSEC, they shouldn't, per 3755 Section 3, which is incredibly clear on the subject. In the case of compression for NSEC or NSEC3, the same logic applies as in 1.a, above. We COULD mess with the case (since the failure mode is all about DNSSEC validation, and we have control over that), but I haven't heard any compelling reason to. Given the history and installed base, it's a bad idea to change the NSEC behavior, though we could consider it for NSEC3. > 3. what RFC's needs to be clarified? 4034 (only), by reference to 3755 Section 3. -- Sam -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Mar 15 15:16:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRvQ3-00050w-R9; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:15:25 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRvKl-00025m-PQ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:10:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRvG5-000Dxx-2v for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:05:05 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRvFv-000Dw7-Rk for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:05:01 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0631145C for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:42:49 -0400." References: <200703120032.l2C0WkTk026303@drugs.dv.isc.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.2; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:04:55 +0000 Message-ID: <99340.1173985495@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ccfb4541e989aa743998098cd315d0fd --=-=-= > > ... NSEC and NXT have different wire > > formats. The presentation formats are the same sans typecode. > > It was this difference that prompted the type code roll. > > Perhaps we recall the history differently. RFC3755 justifies the type code > roll for another reason (having to do with an underspecification in RFC2535, > or, for the more cynical, the severe brokenness of a widely deployed > resolver). We changed the wire format at the same time (with RFC3845) for > different reasons. sam's right. the genesis of TCR was the following thread here in Nov'02: --=-=-= Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=1098 From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: type codes (Re: wildcard optimization and b/w incompatibility ) In-Reply-To: Message from Brian Wellington of "Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:39:47 PST." X-Mailer: mh-e 6.0; nmh 1.0.4; Emacs 21.2 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:51:19 +0000 X-Evolution: 0000044c-0000 regarding backward compatibility, let's talk about RR type codes for SIG, NXT, KEY, etc the deployed base of 2535 is insignificant, and no effort has been made to try to "remain true" to the protocol as described in any earlier dnssec specification. therefore in each incompatible revision of dnssec, we ought to deprecate the old type codes for dnssec-specific RRs. this will cause "interrim" implementations to believe that "there is no security data" and fall back to normal, pre-dnssec operation. naturally this also presents an unfortunate opportunity to change the rdata format with each revision, but i hope that we can manage not to take it. it also means that the mneumonics will change with each revision, so we may end up with things like SIG2/KEY2/DS2 or even SIG3950/NXT3950/DS3950 if there were a dnssec revision defined in RFC3950. however, this is the only way to be sure of "b/w compatibility" with interrim dnssec implementations -- and that is, to invalidate them entirely and force them into their pre-dnssec mode. --=-=-= Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=1100 From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: type codes (Re: wildcard optimization and b/w incompatibility ) In-Reply-To: Message from "Scott Rose" of "Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:37:48 EST." <000701c291d0$2533ebe0$2b2b100a@P612389> X-Mailer: mh-e 6.0; nmh 1.0.4; Emacs 21.2 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 04:12:41 +0000 X-Evolution: 0000044e-0000 > To quote the "A-Team": That's so crazy it just might work! i apologize for keeping the thought to myself for the last year, then. (i keep wanting to stay out of dnssec's innards because security hurts me to think about, but then dnssec keeps running aground on issues more related to dns than security... i promise to speak up sooner next time.) > But I still have some doubts. That will help identify the "true" security > aware servers/resolvers, but will it help the problem of a non-DS aware > cache between the resolver and authoritative server? no, and it isn't expected to. what we want to do is limit the cases to "pre-dnssec" and "current-dnssec" and not "interim-dnssec-N" or even "interim-dnssec-N+1". > If a recursive forwarder doesn't know where to ask for the DS record, > it doesn't matter what the type code is. right. but that problem is separately tractible. later tonight i will write in with "ENS", which while uglier than sin, may yet be prettier than namehack. --=-=-= Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=1101 From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: type codes (Re: wildcard optimization and b/w incompatibility ) In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Richardson of "Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:52:00 EST." <200211220352.gAM3q0Rt002232@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> X-Mailer: mh-e 6.0; nmh 1.0.4; Emacs 21.2 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 04:50:47 +0000 X-Evolution: 0000044f-0000 > However, I think that DS is probably a good seperation for zone cuts. > If we can simply make the child pull records from the parent again, then we > might find a resolution to this problem. The stub zone stuff that bind has > might be a good model - pull it down when you can and save it. it's not reasonable to ask an authoritative server to have to fetch anything from anybody. it should not need a root.cache file, it should never have to ask a udp/53 question other than, perhaps, when a slave server asks a master for its SOA to find out if "now" is a good time for an AXFR. > If you are offline and can not speak to the zone's parent during a key > rollover is a clear problem here. > > So, we either find a way to put the DS record CLEARLY in the parent, or > a way for the CHILD to get a copy of it. watch for the "ENS RR", coming soon to a namedroppers list near you. > BTW: NS also lives in both places, BUT, we don't have failures if the > child and parent disagree. In fact, this is often a feature for some. putting crap at the delegation point is hairy business. --=-=-= Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=1102 Replied: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:56:42 +0000 Replied: " Olafur Gudmundsson , Ed Lewis " From: Paul Vixie To: Olafur Gudmundsson cc: Ed Lewis Subject: Re: type codes (Re: wildcard optimization and b/w incompatibility ) In-Reply-To: Message from Olafur Gudmundsson of "Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:04:54 EST." <20021121215253.W66096-100000@hlid.dc.ogud.com> X-Mailer: mh-e 6.0; nmh 1.0.4; Emacs 21.2 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 04:54:54 +0000 X-Evolution: 00000450-0000 > Well there is no need to rename DS it is not in use in released code. fine. > If we are going down this path DO we want to fix the other two problems > with DNSSEC types ? > the inability to ask for SIG(foo) > the two NXT's at delegations yes. > The first one we fix by numbering SIG's with a high bit truned on in > the type flags (say bit 15) (same way as Bind9 stores them). except that we should reserve four bits (leaving 4096 RRtypes), yes. > Fixing the NXT problem we need the authenticated denial type to > be replaced by two types either something like this > NXT ---> DXT ----> NXT (where DXT is a delegation NXT that is > in child zone) > or SXT ---> NXT ... NXT ---> SXT (Start of NXT) > > as you see I do not want to mention this in public as this will > cause uproar, but if your proposal gets traction then we may want > to think about this. either of those would be fine. > DXT has the same semantics as DS so it is possible just use the DS > as authenticated denial by using a value inside the records and having > the next name in the record. In this case the DS record looks like this: > DS > digest ==0 not secure and empty hash > digest > 0 secure and hash in there > > The attraction of this are > 1. Parent expicitly states the security status > 2. Only one signature at all delegation (MarkK will like this) what i want to see is an ENS RR which is NS+DS. when an EDNS-speaker signals its interest in things DNSSEC-y, they get ENS RR's (if there are any). otherwise, NS RR's are synthesized. presto, bingo, the zone key has a place to live and the rules about who owns it (the child, always, and the parent's copy is nonauthoritative delegation glue) are clear. oh yes, and delegation NS RR's (or ENS RR's) need to be signed using the parent's ZSK, even though they are not officially an authoritative part of the parent zone. --=-=-=-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Mar 15 19:09:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRz4Q-0004wP-MH; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:09:18 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HRz4M-0005FA-9K; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:09:18 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRyw0-000474-FD for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:00:36 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [213.248.199.24] (helo=mx4.nominet.org.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HRyvx-00046l-SD for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:00:35 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO notes1.nominet.org.uk) ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 15 Mar 2007 23:00:27 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,289,1170633600"; d="scan'208"; a="7034155:sNHT39638932" In-Reply-To: To: Sam Weiler Cc: IETF DNSEXT WG , Olafur Gudmundsson Subject: Re: RFC4034 6.2 item 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V702MAC_11052006 November 05, 2006 Message-ID: From: Roy Arends Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:00:24 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 15/03/2007 11:00:27 PM, Serialize complete at 15/03/2007 11:00:27 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Sam Weiler wrote on 03/15/2007 08:11:35 PM: > > 2. Explain why different rules should apply to NSEC [RFC3845] > > and/or NSEC3 [RFC-to-be]? > > For NSEC, they shouldn't, per 3755 Section 3, which is incredibly > clear on the subject. > > In the case of compression for NSEC or NSEC3, the same logic applies > as in 1.a, above. > > We COULD mess with the case (since the failure mode is all about > DNSSEC validation, and we have control over that), but I haven't heard > any compelling reason to. Given the history and installed base, it's > a bad idea to change the NSEC behavior, though we could consider it > for NSEC3. NSEC3 has no domain name in its rdata section. The wire format of the next hashed domain name is binary. No case issues. No compression. There is nothing to consider for NSEC3. 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ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HT7lA-0000ft-Kk for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:38:11 -0400 To: "sashenka " Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:37:52 +0900 From: "katherine sylas" Sender: "katherine sylas" Subject: Lost my OEM number MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_AD5F_01C76A1B.006BE240" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.9 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: fec852dbea6d068499ed3250edf328e2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_AD5F_01C76A1B.006BE240 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_AD60_01C76A1B.006BE240" ------=_NextPart_001_AD60_01C76A1B.006BE240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable shaded by live oaks and bottlebrush trees To follow in the path of their brief blossoming to try that, to 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shaded by live oaks and bottlebrush trees
To follow in the path of their brief blossoming
to try that, to hold a terrifying beast
grow hot in the parking lot, though they're
Oh you builders,
XI. Franklin's Last Voyage
Silent patch of ultimate paint. You are
Is the moon to grow
demonstrating their talent for comedy—stroke
Given by nature will soak into it.
Between the high and the low, in this night.
Floating on the sky.
with visors. Their brave recreational vehicles
They tear apart the mist, it is as though,
and preening, dancing on the basepaths,
Like some poor wounded wretch—long left for dead
XIII. The Route to the North
Down the long course of the gray slush of things
IX. After the Great Northern Expedition
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<7.0.1.0.2.20070102121135.05e45cd8@ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 At 13:17 02/01/2007, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT wrote: >Dear Colleagues, > > >on "Signature-Only DNSSEC: A Simplified Approach" >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-stjohns-dnssec-sigonly-00.txt >by Mike StJohns > >The discussion about Mike StJohn's SO proposal has settled and now >new arguments for or against have appeared. > >We want to ask the members of the working group if they are willing >to adapt this item as a working group document intended for standards= track. > >As is currently the practice we have a 'bar' at the level where at >least 5 people step forward, support this work, and commit to doing 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Trajectory tracey ford welcomes msnbc = services=20 report, matt.
Mrs smith problems jealousy concerned = weight,=20 reveals frame turnoff. Parents are parnell, building. Mcfarland jacktalk = outtv=20 shows network marked.
Song, earning double platinum, sales, = going uk=20 large countries. Tori spelling tanja, szewczenko tyra, banks uma. Zone = were,=20 released during this era, she married. Met barnett ofield england world = war.=20 Catholic uniform video towards end, debut.
Shell patient newsread, hiltonnews! = Powerful=20 celebrity forbes icons vh topped.
Harpers bazaar retire days shy seans = birthday=20 asking. Crossroads played lucy graduate decides wants.
Feeling crew stunning afraid hell fall? = Lasted=20 months aguileras not attract muchcover.
Thebosh, pretty boring momist laquo mom = kids main,=20 jessica. Rick ellis winners jaan uhelszki? Motherhood addressed occurred = february photos revealed driving lap.
Derek, hailthe delithe, walkeryou sing = man, give.
Unhcr upsetting how = community.
February photos revealed driving lap = explaining=20 bunch scared want! Couples, maddox zahara shiloh orleans = mansion.
Around, millionshe icon = honored.
Actions extent, incapable agreeing = because.
Carmen electra anne catherine zeta = jones ricci=20 cindy, crawford?
Stone wrote several kiddiefunk jams, = serve up.
Left but previous requested emergency = hearing=20 regarding client.
Seasons ages performers included. = Dunst, kristanna,=20 loken kylie price jordan brook kristin kreuk.
May appearance late david = letterman!
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for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:38:12 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HTeXO-000JnW-NP for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:38:08 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2KDbgnr093060 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:37:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200703201337.l2KDbgnr093060@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:37:42 -0400 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Subject: 2929bis experiment status update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab My apologies for the delay in the overall process which is to large extent my fault. Overall results so far: 1. Guidelines for expert where not sufficient. 2. Template submitted did not contain sufficient information for expert to assess the impact on DNS. 3. There should be more than one expert as conflict of interest issues may arise during the process or one expert is not available in timely manner. 4. The document needs to be updated on how the template is submitted to IANA. Details: The guidelines did not address what outside information the expert should/must consider in evaluating the application. In this particular case the application assumed knowledge of the structure of International telephone country codes. The Expert needs guidance on if he/she is allowed to consult with external bodies in processing of the templates, such as the IESG. This was raised in the sense someone may comment that a template is an attempt to end-around a working group. What should the expert do/not do when comments like this are raised. There should be more than one Expert as experts may have conflict of interest, the document should recommend that 2-3 co-experts be appointed. What should happen when an template is re-submitted, is there going to be another community review ? After discussions with IANA it is better that the template be submitted first to IANA, and IANA posts the template to namedroppers. IANA and the experts will jointly select the expert that will process the template. IANA will notify experts when actions are required of them. There are number of smaller nits that where raised in the process of this experiment and this chair will work with our AD in creating list of changes to the rfc2929bis document before it is published. Actions: 1. The template in the experiment needs to be resubmitted with explicit reference or description on how to find the record in one query. 2. Expert needs to evaluate the resubmitted template and render decision. 3. Chair will work with AD to address IETF last call comments, and changes in template. 4. Editor will update document before submission to RFC-Editor. 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Which meaning applies is context sensitive. -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Mar 21 07:46:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTzGz-0006yK-N4; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:46:33 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HTzGr-0004nR-26; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:46:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HTz8f-0003a8-K4 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:37:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HTz8c-0003Zl-T7 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:37:56 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LBbMXF021826 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:37:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200703211137.l2LBbMXF021826@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:37:28 -0400 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Subject: Fwd: About draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-experiments-04 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 To clear out the discusses on this document before the IESG turns over this week, I put pressure on David to update the document to address the issues raised in IETF last call and at IESG. David just submitted version 04 and it will show up soon. Below is a summary of the changes David made in the document. Olafur >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:34:26 -0400 >From: David Blacka > >Olafur, Olaf, > >I've submitted the hopefully final version of this draft. I >seriously apologize for being so late. > >I'm hoping that I addressed all of the outstanding concerns with the >document. I: > >* changed the intended status from "Proposed Standard" to "Best >Current Practice", which I think that Olafur suggested, > >* incorporated the pretty minimal Gen-Art review changes, > >* incorporated the fairly innocuous paragraph suggested by the >security directorate reviewer, > >* addressed the first IESG DISCUSS by rewriting Section 4, paragraph >6. I'm hoping that the new text both suffices and is non-controversial. > >* Addressed the second IESG DISCUSS by rewriting consideration >number 1 in Section 6. Hopefully the new text both suffices and is >non-controversial. > >* Ran it through the idnits tool and finally fixed the issue with >the 2119 boilerplate (missing quotes) -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Policu@osce.org Wed Mar 21 09:51:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU1Dd-0006uG-90 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:51:14 -0400 Received: from host162-243-static.47-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it ([85.47.243.162]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HU19t-0004iM-B0 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:47:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c76bbf$69e15890$00000000@HQWS20> From: "pasta night" To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: routines Zone Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:47:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C76BC7.CBA5C090" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 17bdfcaea25d1444baef0e24abc38874 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C76BC7.CBA5C090 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0009_01C76BC7.CBA5C090" ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C76BC7.CBA5C090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorted, vote counts, remax groveland slow buyer. 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Switch to Thunderbird. From: Michael Richardson To: Sam Weiler cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 19) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:41:16 +0100 Message-ID: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2086112c730e13d5955355df27e3074b [ Moderators note: Post was moderated, either because it was posted by a non-subscriber, or because it was over 20K. With the massive amount of spam, it is easy to miss and therefore delete relevant posts by non-subscribers. Please fix your subscription addresses. ] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sam, finally, I have read your document on DLV. {I have carried it around in printed form for 1 week now. It has four pages of colouring on the backs... but in the end, I had to surrender it to Liam permanently, so I had to use an electronic copy. } > DNSSEC trust anchors outside of the DNS delegation chain. It allows > resolvers to validate DNSSEC-signed data from zones whose ancestors > either aren't signed or refuse to publish Delegation Signer (DS) > records for their children. The word "ancestor" is certainly correct, but it just surprised me. Do we use that word in other DNS documents to refer to a superior zone? I think that the last sentence of the second paragraph of 2.: "Absence of a DLV..." is important enough to warant a new paragraph, but also perhaps to be said again elsewhere. Section 4 says something interesting that suggests that when we discover the absence of a DLV, it means that we have actually already found out if it was secured via another method. You say it again in section 5 :-) section 3 explains the mapping through several examples. I think that the mapping should be explained a little bit more formally, perhaps with a figure. I suggest: given: DLV configuration #1 zone DLV-server org. trustbroker.example.com => DLV records for example.org are at: example.trustbroker.example.com. or given: DLV configuration #2 zone DLV-server . bar.example.com => DLV records for example.org are at: example.org.bar.example.com. (I suggest you should show a third example with two DLV servers shown, although this is really a local issue) Pargraph 4 (page 4), needs to use figures/tables, or just needs to be removed in favour of section 5. Is there a URL for INI1999-19? Paragraph 3 of section 5, " Having found the closest enclosing DLV RRset..." can you seperate out each of the possible results as numbered points. Would the rules in paragraph 2, section 6, not only a benefit to all DNSSEC aware resolvers? section 9 tells me a bit more why not, maybe. Section 7, my suggested figures should be trivially combined into a new figure. page 7 (section 9), paragraph 3: " As a reminder, resolvers MUST NOT use the mere presence of an RRSIG or apex DNSKEY RRset as a trigger for doing validation, whether through the normal DNSSEC hierarchy or DLV. Otherwise, an attacker might perpetrate a downgrade attack by stripping off those RRSIGs or DNSKEYs." => "As a reminder, resolvers MUST NOT use the absence of an RRSIG or apex DNSKEY RRset as an indication to avoid doing validation, whether through the normal DNSSEC hierarchy or DLV, as an attacker may perpetrate a downgrade attack by stripping off those RRSIGs or DNSKEYs." Is IANA willing to comply to this request? - -- ] Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear." | firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net architect[ ] mcr@xelerance.com http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Finger me for keys iQEVAwUBRgEn6ICLcPvd0N1lAQJ5+Af/eAMFoxeJqcQMf+2/fHSz5nIBl/QK9EyF PjjfT1gpxRmNbtQkO2c6lvIY+cNp0a1P5SzspOKWvPb8reno0dOK99Eje9qVXRq3 3dctjdUqV1KVi10hOpVovcyZa2rZwZYQg1xxI3bPIelzJjJoP0jO/Xs+LAZBdxXk dwVaSthB46DiMzJRkKMMc/VxFS23WTkIJWo/C26PYwUecURivG11eCoNJX7ZJ+ii n7wDCP86n/G/mO/KSd89/UtHC1MYGGGc5qumkvBv2EwNlE9FtIJgTULP19Qr4d5S 1KVlbKMI7udSfw0+Hf1MUReWrSSSrSMhosxt/pDW6CLNYW/pq9McPw== =2fF8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Mar 21 23:38:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUE8M-0005uJ-4t; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:38:38 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUE8I-0007xY-GF; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:38:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUDzd-0005j6-MV for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:29:37 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [192.0.34.14] (helo=smtp01.icann.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUDzb-0005ip-Ph for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:29:36 +0000 Received: from terminus.local (c-24-6-153-109.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.153.109]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp01.icann.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2M3TWm0009401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:29:34 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by terminus.local (PGP Universal service); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:29:34 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by terminus.local on Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:29:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: Cc: Sam Weiler , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: David Conrad Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:29:30 -0700 To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Michael, On Mar 21, 2007, at 5:41 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > page 7 (section 9), paragraph 3: > > " As a reminder, resolvers MUST NOT use the mere presence of an RRSIG > or apex DNSKEY RRset as a trigger for doing validation, whether > through the normal DNSSEC hierarchy or DLV. Otherwise, an attacker > might perpetrate a downgrade attack by stripping off those > RRSIGs or > DNSKEYs." > > => "As a reminder, resolvers MUST NOT use the absence of an RRSIG > or apex DNSKEY RRset as an indication to avoid doing validation, > whether > through the normal DNSSEC hierarchy or DLV, as an attacker > may perpetrate a downgrade attack by stripping off those RRSIGs or > DNSKEYs." > > Is IANA willing to comply to this request? Sorry, which request? Rgds, -drc -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Mar 22 03:43:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUHxm-0000R5-Lu; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:43:58 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUHxk-0004Bq-C9; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:43:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUHr1-000AEo-Mz for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:36:59 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [80.67.170.53] (helo=mail.bortzmeyer.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUHqy-000AES-TP for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:36:58 +0000 Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id B7BA424080E; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:36:54 +0100 (CET) Received: by fetiche (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5ED8D189E7; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:36:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:36:09 +0100 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: David Conrad Cc: Michael Richardson , Sam Weiler , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 Message-ID: <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 08:29:30PM -0700, David Conrad wrote a message of 31 lines which said: > >Is IANA willing to comply to this request? > > Sorry, which request? Creating a DLV registry, as instructed in the IANA Considerations section. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Mar 22 10:13:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUO2X-0005vY-Rz; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:13:17 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUO2S-0005rc-I4; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:13:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUNv6-0002BI-Uz for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:05:36 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUNv0-0002AT-I9 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:05:32 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DA911429 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:05:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:36:09 +0100." <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.2; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:05:29 +0000 Message-ID: <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c > > >Is IANA willing to comply to this request? > > > > Sorry, which request? > > Creating a DLV registry, as instructed in the IANA Considerations section. if iana were to create dlv.iana.org and open it to all parties at no fee and with heavy credential checking, world wide service and operations, auditing for stale keys, and strong security around the KSK, then isc would have no more reason to operate dlv.isc.org and we would throw our support behind iana. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From kbizzellaamec@askltg.com Thu Mar 22 11:27:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUPCa-0005iX-Nl; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:27:44 -0400 Received: from [124.60.249.98] (helo=askltg.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUPCG-00029I-Aq; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:27:44 -0400 Message-ID: <83ee01c76cb4$17cd1da0$629d7d28@kbizzellaamec> Reply-To: "Debbra" From: "Debbra" To: "Viva" Cc: "Charline" , "Beverley Andrews" , "Velvet" , "Cristobal" , "Lory Garcia" , "Adam" , "Dorthea Knight" , "Nikita Perry" , "Johnny Burns" , "Sherrie Morris" , "Ulrike" Subject: Did she ask u Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:58:35 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_479_1317_486ADE42.5CC88914" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V9.0.2416 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 8cb9b411340046bf4080a729180a0672 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_479_1317_486ADE42.5CC88914 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_CCA_CCCA_2B3116DC.247DD25B" ------=_NextPart_CCA_CCCA_2B3116DC.247DD25B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable prose "Why not? discover Who analyse ever heard of such paste an occurren= ce as "It politely is certainly search ten years feather teaching sin= ce the house had bee "Oh, heavens!""It is bottle stealthily probable,"= bump mouth stammered out Villefort, trying (Signed) "I understand; star tactic you cloud are grate displeased at t= he silence I rejoice "What is it, then?" move asked come the shock young= girl. 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http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/07mar/minutes/dnsext.txt Send minor nits to me, corrections to namedroppers Olafur -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Mar 22 15:38:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUT7I-0005bp-A3; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:38:32 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUT7C-0006MW-S0; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:38:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUT3B-000IFQ-9b for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:34:17 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [192.0.34.14] (helo=smtp01.icann.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUT30-000IDw-RI for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:34:14 +0000 Received: from terminus.local (c-24-6-153-109.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.153.109]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp01.icann.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2MJVZBg012569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:34:05 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by terminus.local (PGP Universal service); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:34:03 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by terminus.local on Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:34:03 -0700 In-Reply-To: <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <48CBA67D-FF7C-4930-AA53-CAA2CE1F30DA@icann.org> Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: David Conrad Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:30:31 -0700 To: Paul Vixie X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bdc523f9a54890b8a30dd6fd53d5d024 Hi, On Mar 22, 2007, at 7:05 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: >>>> Is IANA willing to comply to this request? >>> Sorry, which request? >> Creating a DLV registry, as instructed in the IANA Considerations >> section. So, this raises interesting questions. First, I don't think "dlv.iana.org" is the right place for something like this. If it is to exist, it should be in .ARPA. A more interesting bit is encompassed in what Paul stipulates: > if iana were to create dlv.iana.org IANA can, of course, create a registry that accepts information provided to it similarly to what we do for root zone management. > open it to all parties It would not be open to all parties. As per the draft, it would only be open to TLD operators. > at no fee IANA is not permitted to charge fees. > with heavy credential checking, Nope. The draft says we're to use our "own best practices" which I take to mean the same process we use to "authenticate" root zone change requests. > world wide service and operations, Nope. Not specified in the draft. > auditing for stale keys, Nope. Not specified in the draft. > and strong security around the KSK, Not specified in the draft, but define "strong". IANA already has some level of security, but I suspect nothing on the order of what would be necessary to provide a sufficient level of assurance that the KSK wasn't compromised. Since the data we're talking about here are used to sign information that relates to national interests, I suspect the level of security necessary is on the order of that necessary to protect national-level secrets. I don't plan on moving IANA to a former ICBM silo. In my mind, this sort of points out a bit of a flaw in the operational implications of DNSSEC. Forget (as we have to date since it is a hard problem) how one might recover from a root KSK compromise. Pragmatically speaking, the holder of the root KSK is setting itself up to be a teensy bit of a target. Compromise of the root KSK would have ... significant implications and likely astounding liabilities. Who wants that? Since the implications are so great (and there is no way to recover), you have to be _EXTREMELY_ careful with the key. This level of care is likely to be is very, very expensive. Who is going to pay for that? However, to answer the question: > Is IANA willing to comply to this request [to create a DLV > registry, as instructed in the IANA Considerations section] IANA does what we are instructed to do by the IESG. Rgds, -drc -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Mar 22 16:14:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUTg9-00080Z-9v; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:14:33 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUTg5-00054r-0G; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:14:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUTcB-000Mn7-Hl for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:10:27 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [217.147.82.63] (helo=shed.alex.org.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUTc9-000MmN-6g for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:10:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.100.25] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shed.alex.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6C0C2DA7; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:10:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:10:19 +0000 From: Alex Bligh Reply-To: Alex Bligh To: David Conrad , Paul Vixie Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, Alex Bligh Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48CBA67D-FF7C-4930-AA53-CAA2CE1F30DA@icann.org> References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> <48CBA67D-FF7C-4930-AA53-CAA2CE1F30DA@icann.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.4 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 --On 22 March 2007 12:30 -0700 David Conrad wrote: > Pragmatically speaking, the holder of the root KSK is setting itself up > to be a teensy bit of a target. Compromise of the root KSK would have > ... significant implications and likely astounding liabilities. Who > wants that? People seem to be happy fighting over who runs the non-DNSSEC equivalent. 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namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:30:05 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [68.142.225.206] (helo=smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUWjJ-000JC6-8z for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:30:03 +0000 Received: (qmail 17719 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2007 23:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO connotech.com) (t2i6@rogers.com@209.148.165.15 with plain) by smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2007 23:29:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HH3xBBAVM1kC.g3fs3SC7R6tfCFurj688JJTZgSFsDdPtx_K2SxWyVPBel8LinBbVQ-- Message-ID: <460312BF.8080002@connotech.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:35:27 -0500 From: Thierry Moreau User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Conrad CC: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> <48CBA67D-FF7C-4930-AA53-CAA2CE1F30DA@icann.org> In-Reply-To: <48CBA67D-FF7C-4930-AA53-CAA2CE1F30DA@icann.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 David Conrad wrote: > Hi, > > >> and strong security around the KSK, > > > Not specified in the draft, but define "strong". IANA already has some > level of security, but I suspect nothing on the order of what would be > necessary to provide a sufficient level of assurance that the KSK > wasn't compromised. Since the data we're talking about here are used > to sign information that relates to national interests, I suspect the > level of security necessary is on the order of that necessary to > protect national-level secrets. I don't plan on moving IANA to a > former ICBM silo. > > In my mind, this sort of points out a bit of a flaw in the operational > implications of DNSSEC. Forget (as we have to date since it is a hard > problem) how one might recover from a root KSK compromise. > Pragmatically speaking, the holder of the root KSK is setting itself up > to be a teensy bit of a target. Compromise of the root KSK would have > ... significant implications and likely astounding liabilities. Who > wants that? Since the implications are so great (and there is no way > to recover), you have to be _EXTREMELY_ careful with the key. This > level of care is likely to be is very, very expensive. Who is going to > pay for that? > Thanks David for re-stating the requirement for emergency KSK rollover requirement. However, the KSK security strength was not particularly stressed in the trust anchor (TA) automated rollover requirements draft that the DNSEXT produced, at least not with the above pragmatic perspective. The DNSEXT wg has moved this draft to the IESG, so it looks like a done deal for the wg. In the early days of TA rollover requirements discussions, I used to advocate for the expliciteness of emergency rollover recovery principles, with an implied "catastrophic failure mode" disclosure requirement. I.e. let's disclose the exact circumstances where "there is no way to recover", so that _EXTREME_ _CARE_ could be applied to these circumstances. But the wg paid more attention to other requirements and selection criteria. Overall, I came to the conclusion that the TA rollover issue hit a limit in what an IETF wg can realistically achieve. Regards, -- - Thierry Moreau CONNOTECH Experts-conseils inc. 9130 Place de Montgolfier Montreal, Qc Canada H2M 2A1 Tel.: (514)385-5691 Fax: (514)385-5900 web site: http://www.connotech.com e-mail: thierry.moreau@connotech.com -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Mar 22 20:06:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUXIG-0000Js-JP; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:06:08 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUXIC-00078i-3U; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:06:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUXEX-000MnS-EP for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:02:17 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HEADER_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUXEU-000Mma-GZ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:02:16 +0000 Received: from mail.ogud.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2N01UX3036356 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:01:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from namedroppers@mail.ogud.com) Received: (from namedroppers@localhost) by mail.ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l2N01UFA036355 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:01:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from namedroppers) Received: from [204.152.184.167] (helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUO0z-0002qQ-7n for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:11:46 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B9011401C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:11:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Joao_Damas@isc.org) Received: from [IPv6:2001:df8::16:216:cbff:febb:5a1d] (unknown [IPv6:2001:df8:0:16:216:cbff:febb:5a1d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EA7E60D9; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Joao_Damas@isc.org) In-Reply-To: <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <49B8F6C5-9F79-419A-80E5-0297AA7960DF@isc.org> Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joao Damas Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:11:36 +0100 To: Paul Vixie X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb [ Moderators note: Post was moderated, either because it was posted by a non-subscriber, or because it was over 20K. With the massive amount of spam, it is easy to miss and therefore delete relevant posts by non-subscribers. Please fix your subscription addresses. ] and hope IANA would take the entries already in dlv.isc.org into that registry, providing continuity. Joao On 22 Mar 2007, at 15:05, Paul Vixie wrote: >>>> Is IANA willing to comply to this request? >>> >>> Sorry, which request? >> >> Creating a DLV registry, as instructed in the IANA Considerations >> section. > > if iana were to create dlv.iana.org and open it to all parties at > no fee and > with heavy credential checking, world wide service and operations, > auditing > for stale keys, and strong security around the KSK, then isc would > have no > more reason to operate dlv.isc.org and we would throw our support > behind iana. > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org > with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Mar 22 20:46:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUXvg-0004kw-63; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:46:52 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUXvY-0000Fg-VH; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:46:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUXrY-0001Du-KO for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:42:36 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [198.32.6.68] (helo=vacation.karoshi.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUXrW-0001DS-CU for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:42:35 +0000 Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by vacation.karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l2N0dXce026498; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:39:54 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l2N0cqFS026496; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:38:52 GMT Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:38:52 +0000 From: bmanning@karoshi.com To: Joao Damas Cc: Paul Vixie , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 Message-ID: <20070323003852.GC26273@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> <49B8F6C5-9F79-419A-80E5-0297AA7960DF@isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49B8F6C5-9F79-419A-80E5-0297AA7960DF@isc.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 and importing from another registry supports the requirement for "heavy credential checking" how? Transitive Trust is a slippary slope. --bill On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:11:36PM +0100, Joao Damas wrote: > > and hope IANA would take the entries already in dlv.isc.org into that > registry, providing continuity. > > Joao > > On 22 Mar 2007, at 15:05, Paul Vixie wrote: > > >>>>Is IANA willing to comply to this request? > >>> > >>>Sorry, which request? > >> > >>Creating a DLV registry, as instructed in the IANA Considerations > >>section. > > > >if iana were to create dlv.iana.org and open it to all parties at > >no fee and > >with heavy credential checking, world wide service and operations, > >auditing > >for stale keys, and strong security around the KSK, then isc would > >have no > >more reason to operate dlv.isc.org and we would throw our support > >behind iana. > > > >-- > >to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org > >with > >the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > >archive: > > > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Mar 23 02:30:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUdIV-00018j-2o; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:30:47 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUdIQ-0007L0-Kx; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:30:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUdAa-000Kn3-3l for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:22:36 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUdAX-000Kmh-Mi for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:22:34 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C3811460 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:30:31 MST." <48CBA67D-FF7C-4930-AA53-CAA2CE1F30DA@icann.org> References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> <48CBA67D-FF7C-4930-AA53-CAA2CE1F30DA@icann.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.2; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:22:32 +0000 Message-ID: <84636.1174630952@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9a2be21919e71dc6faef12b370c4ecf5 > So, this raises interesting questions. yes. > First, I don't think "dlv.iana.org" is the right place for something > like this. If it is to exist, it should be in .ARPA. that'd be your call, of course. > A more interesting bit is encompassed in what Paul stipulates: > > > if iana were to create dlv.iana.org > > IANA can, of course, create a registry that accepts information > provided to it similarly to what we do for root zone management. fine by me. > > open it to all parties > > It would not be open to all parties. As per the draft, it would only > be open to TLD operators. ah, i missed that part. that'd be a great start. dlv.isc.org would mirror the DLV RRs you put into dlv.arpa, assuming the signatures validated. (there would still be a need for non-TLD DLV RRs, so, isc would fill that need.) > > at no fee > > IANA is not permitted to charge fees. kewl. > > with heavy credential checking, > > Nope. The draft says we're to use our "own best practices" which I > take to mean the same process we use to "authenticate" root zone > change requests. that's good enough. > > world wide service and operations, > > Nope. Not specified in the draft. i suspect it's out of scope for this draft, but would appear elsewhere. > > auditing for stale keys, > > Nope. Not specified in the draft. this, too, is out of scope for this draft, but would appear elsewhere. > > and strong security around the KSK, > > Not specified in the draft, but define "strong". IANA already has some > level of security, but I suspect nothing on the order of what would be > necessary to provide a sufficient level of assurance that the KSK wasn't > compromised. Since the data we're talking about here are used to sign > information that relates to national interests, I suspect the level of > security necessary is on the order of that necessary to protect > national-level secrets. I don't plan on moving IANA to a former ICBM silo. whatever security would be appropriate for the root zone KSK would be perfectly adequate for a DLV registry KSK. since you're going to have to do the former at some point, i'm merely asking for the latter. > In my mind, this sort of points out a bit of a flaw in the operational > implications of DNSSEC. Forget (as we have to date since it is a hard > problem) how one might recover from a root KSK compromise. Pragmatically > speaking, the holder of the root KSK is setting itself up to be a teensy bit > of a target. yes. > Compromise of the root KSK would have ... significant implications and > likely astounding liabilities. Who wants that? nobody *wants* it. several of us are willing to *accept* it. (incl. you?) > Since the implications are so great (and there is no way to recover), you > have to be _EXTREMELY_ careful with the key. This level of care is likely > to be is very, very expensive. Who is going to pay for that? i have heard more than one person say that icann has a lot of money these days and that makes me presume that it can handle these operations. if i'm wrong then i'd expect an amendment to NTIA's IANA contract specifying larger chunks of cash to cover these operations. (or larger voluntary contributions from ICANN's constituencies.) but we are far afield from sam's draft, now. > However, to answer the question: > > > Is IANA willing to comply to this request [to create a DLV > > registry, as instructed in the IANA Considerations section] > > IANA does what we are instructed to do by the IESG. even if it's an unfunded mandate like "operate a secure dlv registry" or "sign the root zone and keep the root KSK secure enough for the whole world to depend on it not being compromised" ? or would you, at some point, tell IESG "that's all fine and well, but who's going to pay for it all" ? -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Mar 23 04:14:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUeue-0005BG-L4; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:14:16 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUeua-0008FC-VY; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:14:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUepU-0005Ws-P1 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:08:56 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [192.0.34.14] (helo=smtp01.icann.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUepS-0005WV-ED for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:08:55 +0000 Received: from terminus.local (c-24-6-153-109.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.153.109]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp01.icann.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2N88qvH014521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:08:53 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by terminus.local (PGP Universal service); Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:08:50 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by terminus.local on Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:08:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <84636.1174630952@sa.vix.com> References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> <48CBA67D-FF7C-4930-AA53-CAA2CE1F30DA@icann.org> <84636.1174630952@sa.vix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <1722AD80-5324-4C42-B32A-85826190C6E7@icann.org> Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: David Conrad Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:08:47 -0700 To: Paul Vixie X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b5d20af10c334b36874c0264b10f59f1 Paul, >> First, I don't think "dlv.iana.org" is the right place for something >> like this. If it is to exist, it should be in .ARPA. > that'd be your call, of course. Well, no. Not really. IANA is just the technical administrator for .ARPA. Name creation in that zone depends on IAB and/or IESG action. > whatever security would be appropriate for the root zone KSK would be > perfectly adequate for a DLV registry KSK. since you're going to have > to do the former at some point, i'm merely asking for the latter. If we do the former, then why would we need to do the latter? >> Since the implications are so great (and there is no way to >> recover), you >> have to be _EXTREMELY_ careful with the key. This level of care >> is likely >> to be is very, very expensive. Who is going to pay for that? > i have heard more than one person say that icann has a lot of money > these > days and that makes me presume that it can handle these operations. Not that much money. And it isn't in IANA's budget. > if i'm > wrong then i'd expect an amendment to NTIA's IANA contract > specifying larger > chunks of cash to cover these operations. The NTIA IANA contract is $0. The USG got out of paying for IANA a while ago. > (or larger voluntary contributions from ICANN's constituencies.) And they should fund this because? > but we are far afield from sam's draft, now. Yep. >> IANA does what we are instructed to do by the IESG. > even if it's an unfunded mandate like "operate a secure dlv > registry" or > "sign the root zone and keep the root KSK secure enough for the > whole world > to depend on it not being compromised" ? or would you, at some > point, tell > IESG "that's all fine and well, but who's going to pay for it all" ? Speaking personally: Historically, registry creation was essentially free: how much does it cost to create a file and make that file available on an existing network infrastructure? My suspicion is that folks never really gave the cost of creating and maintaining registries much thought. For example, I personally don't remember anyone talking about how expensive it would be to create and maintain the {IRIS,URI,URN}.ARPA domains and if they became popular or relied upon, it would probably be pretty expensive. And then there is the (unsigned) root of the DNS: how much do you think it costs the root operators to provide that service these days? I'd bet your life the cost of providing that service wasn't considered when the DNS was being created. Of course, the environment in which the Internet operates has changed a bit, so at some point, I suspect it may be necessary for ICANN and the IETF community to figure out how to fund and/or constrain the resource requirements RFCs can impose on IANA. Hasn't been necessary to date. DLV is, perhaps, a wakeup call in that sense. However, personal rambling aside and back to the question at hand: if the IESG directs IANA to create a DLV registry as the result of an independent submission draft and without full specification of how that registry should be created and operated, we'd propose something and if that didn't fly (which it undoubtedly wouldn't if people expect it to be secure and reliable), push back and request a revised IANA considerations section. By the way, what would happen if the DLV registry key were to be compromised? 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(31959 reviews) From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Mar 23 07:22:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUhr8-0004Ww-8b; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:22:50 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUhr6-0007bw-Ud; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:22:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUhjW-0000A6-LB for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:14:58 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [198.32.6.68] (helo=vacation.karoshi.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUhjR-000074-9Z for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:14:54 +0000 Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by vacation.karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l2NBBece031171; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:12:00 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l2NBAxDe031169; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:10:59 GMT Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:10:59 +0000 From: bmanning@karoshi.com To: Joao Damas Cc: bmanning@karoshi.com, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 Message-ID: <20070323111059.GB31083@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> <49B8F6C5-9F79-419A-80E5-0297AA7960DF@isc.org> <20070323003852.GC26273@vacation.karoshi.com.> <3517456D-98CE-4382-8FD1-9C526CDFDF80@isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3517456D-98CE-4382-8FD1-9C526CDFDF80@isc.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 10:45:49AM +0100, Joao Damas wrote: > > On 23 Mar 2007, at 01:38, bmanning@karoshi.com wrote: > > > and importing from another registry supports the requirement for > > "heavy credential checking" how? Transitive Trust is a slippary > > slope. > > > >--bill > > > > True, however transitive mistrust flies well. So, your reply > indicates to me that I should not trust stuff coming from you. It > doesn't however mean there is no proper way of transferring the > entries subject of this discussion. > > Joao i perceive either a misunderstanding or a failure to communicate. let me try again (although you have stated that there is no trust on your part for statements I make) if I, as the receiveing party, am to properly do credential checking, I will not trust the credential checking of the party from whom I receive the incoming dataset. I will do it myself, using the "heavy" checking indicated above. My customers would and shold expect no less. this in no way precludes "proper" transfer of the entries. we now return you to the ISC/IANA business matters.... --bill -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Mar 23 10:02:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUkLo-0008MV-Ml; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:02:40 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUkLj-0003HT-8f; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:02:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUkFk-000Ipd-Db for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:56:24 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUkFh-000IpL-Gy for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:56:23 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6386111427 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:56:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:08:47 MST." <1722AD80-5324-4C42-B32A-85826190C6E7@icann.org> References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> <48CBA67D-FF7C-4930-AA53-CAA2CE1F30DA@icann.org> <84636.1174630952@sa.vix.com> <1722AD80-5324-4C42-B32A-85826190C6E7@icann.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.2; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:56:20 +0000 Message-ID: <66655.1174658180@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 > > whatever security would be appropriate for the root zone KSK would be > > perfectly adequate for a DLV registry KSK. since you're going to have > > to do the former at some point, i'm merely asking for the latter. > > If we do the former, then why would we need to do the latter? i'm presuming that if you did the former, noone would ask you to do the latter. > > (or larger voluntary contributions from ICANN's constituencies.) > > And they should fund this because? that depends. either because it's good for the internet market to have some security in dns, and signing the root is hard-for-whatever-reason so this is a backstop measure. or, because they'd rather not see ICANN take a large amount of money from someone they fear (or loathe) under this excuse-umbrella. or the funding wouldn't happen, and IANA would then have to refuse IESG's request-- is that possible? (is there precedent?) and more importantly, could this also happen with root KSK management and root zone signing? (if so, then we all need to stop treating root signing as inevitable, or we need to treat funding as an issue right up there with policy and permission.) > >> IANA does what we are instructed to do by the IESG. > > > even if it's an unfunded mandate like "operate a secure dlv registry" or > > "sign the root zone and keep the root KSK secure enough for the whole > > world to depend on it not being compromised" ? or would you, at some > > point, tell IESG "that's all fine and well, but who's going to pay for it > > all" ? > > Speaking personally: > > Historically, registry creation was essentially free: how much does it cost > to create a file and make that file available on an existing network > infrastructure? My suspicion is that folks never really gave the cost of > creating and maintaining registries much thought. For example, I personally > don't remember anyone talking about how expensive it would be to create and > maintain the {IRIS,URI,URN}.ARPA domains and if they became popular or > relied upon, it would probably be pretty expensive. the old assumption was that USG would pay for it. the new assumption is that ICANN will pay for it. (it's possible that both assumptions were wrong.) > And then there is the (unsigned) root of the DNS: how much do you think it > costs the root operators to provide that service these days? I'd bet your > life the cost of providing that service wasn't considered when the DNS was > being created. funding of the infrastructure during the days when DNS was rolled out was an NSFnet and/or DARPA thing. i'll raise you your life that at least one USG rootop has listed their root server as a funding priority in at least one USG-paid budget during the last 30 years. as to how much it costs _these_days_, i know that verisign recently announced a USD $100M expansion of their infrastructure, and it probably includes more than just their .COM servers. i also know that most of ISC's costs for f-root are underwritten by the community -- without extensive sponsorship we would not have 40+ anycast instances. my estimate of the dollar value of the sponsored services is "really high, quite a lot, really." > Of course, the environment in which the Internet operates has changed > a bit, so at some point, I suspect it may be necessary for ICANN and > the IETF community to figure out how to fund and/or constrain the > resource requirements RFCs can impose on IANA. Hasn't been necessary > to date. DLV is, perhaps, a wakeup call in that sense. if that's so, then, root KSK handling and root zone signing would have been a wakeup call of similar magnitude, and DLV's role as an early deployment aid has been successful in at least one small way. > By the way, what would happen if the DLV registry key were to be > compromised? same as if the root KSK were compromised after the root zone is signed. which is, it would become possible to substitute evil data and cryptoauthenticate that evil data, such that anyone trusting the root KSK (or DLV registry key) would potentially have high confidence in evil data. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Mar 23 19:07:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUsr2-0004vG-4M; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:07:28 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HUsr0-0005aD-QK; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:07:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUsiQ-000O6v-I9 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:58:34 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [192.0.34.14] (helo=smtp01.icann.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUsiO-000O6c-0z for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:58:33 +0000 Received: from terminus.local ([65.124.181.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp01.icann.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2NMvrUs017692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:58:30 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by terminus.local (PGP Universal service); Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:58:27 -0400 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by terminus.local on Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:58:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <66655.1174658180@sa.vix.com> References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> <48CBA67D-FF7C-4930-AA53-CAA2CE1F30DA@icann.org> <84636.1174630952@sa.vix.com> <1722AD80-5324-4C42-B32A-85826190C6E7@icann.org> <66655.1174658180@sa.vix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <534A2E7C-DA03-4022-91FC-328640CA88CB@icann.org> Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: David Conrad Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:07:56 -0700 To: Paul Vixie X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Paul, On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:56 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: >> And they should fund this because? > that depends. either because it's good for the internet market to > have some > security in dns, I'm pretty sure "for the good of the Internet" doesn't carry all that much weight anymore. But then again, I'm a bit cynical. > or the funding wouldn't happen, and IANA would then have to refuse > IESG's > request-- is that possible? (is there precedent?) Good question. I'm investigating. 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Sat Mar 24 08:34:31 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HV5S3-0007hQ-MP for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:34:31 -0400 Received: from cop224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl ([83.31.195.224]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HV5Ry-0005Ra-M7 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:34:31 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c76e10$c4ab6f10$00000000@server> From: "Danley Maxwell" To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Jeremiah Gilbert Gill Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:34:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C76E19.266FD710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 2.8 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 6a45e05c1e4343200aa6b327df2c43fc ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C76E19.266FD710 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000E_01C76E19.266FD710" ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C76E19.266FD710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stoller albert strohmaier summers lena, sumpter frank teicheira gerald. = Trace agin hilary alioto paso robles katy. Greer groppetti gerardo arvin habib, danny. Hilary alioto paso robles katy. Corriea courtney crivello, crowell = cuthbert deftereos. Williams tony abatti el arte marquez chino amy whitten. Wildlife erin hunt matthew pawlak littlerock todd. Faustina lopes lowrey steve. Rio amanda berry jennie lori bigham, brann. Carvalho turlock chalupnik brawley deanna lynn cleek exeter rachel. Harry walpole laton shanon. Poormon rasmussen melanie, reynolds krissy richards. Jonas parr parreira = meliza pastor pedreiro, penfold sonny. Scheider karlie abraham singer! Gear geist charles gholson, giesbert giffin, jeremiah! Gaitan kerman = billy headrick koop, etna contests. Marsh breanne martin mathews! Gerber godfrey graham apple lanee. Lesperance lindly chelsey little = calipatria litton lorton belinda losee. Sweetman angel tapia tatom tavares tracy teagarden topete! Byrd byrum = roland, camacho norco chan. Teresa kaupp kennedy kettering zeb! Nancy gutierrez kingsburg, schohr. Gilson, jason ritchie tawnya larabee. Africa walter joseph alamo. Amy, = whitten nicole schoppe, harte, robert gilson jason? Randall celeste rassey sandy richardson. Flanagan sheri flick cher = freeman frogge gambill. Deruiter vera greg, beard egan boesch audrey keebler dick. Inc pigeon federal cartridge dusty. London faustina lopes lowrey steve. Dana barsanti fortuna barsurto! Lindsay creighton samuel crippen terri = currier dalleas mcfarland. Orisio pacheco lucas, pedotti. Le grand, ehli = brenda. Nechole kikett imel michele kelley lima lira, clay. Gregory chiossi ben davison becky deniz sabrina duey? Vanalen angie = varney omar vasquez pablo eileen. Hilllive oak donnie berrington fillmore borba? Holland lynne poormon = rasmussen melanie reynolds krissy. Baker denelle, bakker brian barr dixon bennetts visaliamt. Mattos josiah mayfield garth wyatt mcbride. Section grant ahlem ricky. 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Stoller albert strohmaier summers lena, = sumpter=20 frank teicheira gerald. Trace agin hilary alioto paso robles = katy.
Greer groppetti gerardo arvin habib, = danny.
Hilary alioto paso robles katy. Corriea = courtney=20 crivello, crowell cuthbert deftereos.
Williams tony abatti el arte marquez = chino amy whitten.
Wildlife erin hunt matthew pawlak = littlerock todd.
Faustina lopes lowrey = steve.
Rio amanda berry jennie lori bigham, = brann.
Carvalho turlock chalupnik brawley = deanna lynn=20 cleek exeter rachel.
Harry walpole laton = shanon.
Poormon rasmussen melanie, reynolds = krissy=20 richards. Jonas parr parreira meliza pastor pedreiro, penfold sonny. = Scheider=20 karlie abraham singer!
Gear geist charles gholson, giesbert = giffin,=20 jeremiah! Gaitan kerman billy headrick koop, etna contests.
Marsh breanne martin = mathews!
Gerber godfrey graham apple lanee. = Lesperance=20 lindly chelsey little calipatria litton lorton belinda = losee.
Sweetman angel tapia tatom tavares = tracy teagarden=20 topete! Byrd byrum roland, camacho norco chan.
Teresa kaupp kennedy kettering zeb! = Nancy gutierrez=20 kingsburg, schohr.
Gilson, jason ritchie tawnya larabee. = Africa walter=20 joseph alamo. Amy, whitten nicole schoppe, harte, robert gilson = jason?
Randall celeste rassey sandy = richardson. Flanagan=20 sheri flick cher freeman frogge gambill.
Deruiter vera greg, beard egan boesch = audrey=20 keebler dick.
Inc pigeon federal cartridge = dusty.
London faustina lopes lowrey = steve.
Dana barsanti fortuna barsurto! Lindsay = creighton=20 samuel crippen terri currier dalleas mcfarland. Orisio pacheco lucas, = pedotti.=20 Le grand, ehli brenda.
Nechole kikett imel michele kelley lima = lira, clay.
Gregory chiossi ben davison becky deniz = sabrina=20 duey? Vanalen angie varney omar vasquez pablo eileen.
Hilllive oak donnie berrington fillmore = borba?=20 Holland lynne poormon rasmussen melanie reynolds krissy.
Baker denelle, bakker brian barr dixon = bennetts visaliamt.
Mattos josiah mayfield garth wyatt = mcbride.
Section grant ahlem ricky.
Tammy macdonald oscar martinez matheron = anne matz=20 corning.
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1HVzfy-000PR6-4k for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:36:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HVzfv-000PQm-VS for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:36:37 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2R0ZNKK072363 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:35:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:36:10 -0400 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Subject: DNSEXT future Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Dear Colleagues: Last week in the WG meeting at IETF68 the chairs raised the issue that the working group has basically concluded all of its working group items. The chairs believe that there are no DNS protocol CHANGES that are being developed. With the conclusion of the NSEC3 work there seems to be consensus that DNSSEC work is done. All the remaining work in the group are close to completion, with the exception of ECC DNSKEY specification. advancing RFC's up the standards track. Both of these items have not had great interest or activity. A potential new item for the working group is the provide input on the processing of RFC2929bis templates while that process is stabilizing. For this reason we asked the meeting and our AD for guidance on what to do with the working group. The three options are A. keep the working group open B. Put the group to sleep/hibernate C. Close the working group Options A and B require a new charter, the main reason for keeping the working group alive is to have an official place to take DNS ideas and have them processed (i.e. killed). A living working group (case A) may keep attacking work which is of limited value. A group in hyphenation state still has a chair and official mailing list it can process ID's as needed but does not meet. The feedback that the chairs was that option A was not attractive to the people in the room. Option B had supporters and is advocated by our AD. There are few people advocating option C as that sends the strongest message that changes to DNS and DNSSEC are done and there is nothing more to do. The purpose of this message is to gauge the mailing list as to which option they think is the most appropriate. Draft charter for DNSEXT in hyphenated state: The DNSEXT WG group will actively maintain the DNS protocol and is available for advancing DNS protocol related RFCs on the standard track, while defending against further enhancements of questionable value. Olafur & Olaf -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 26 20:57:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HVzzi-0001Lh-Cr; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:57:02 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HVzzd-0005rV-Qt; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:57:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HVzwL-0000Kw-94 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:53:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [202.12.29.58] (helo=mint.apnic.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HVzwJ-0000K3-EN for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:53:32 +0000 Received: from asmtp.apnic.net (dhcp134.apnic.net [202.12.29.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mint.apnic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F9DD5F2D; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:53:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:53:30 +1000 From: George Michaelson To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Message-ID: <20070327105330.49888374@garlique.algebras.org> In-Reply-To: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.8.1 (GTK+ 2.10.9; i386--netbsdelf) X-Fruit-Of-The-Month-Club: persimmon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 I am not a fan of WG living forever. I think a WG in search of recharter after so long is a WG which needs to be considered a strong candidate for closure, especially if docs in review are now not there. If there is a need for a DNS wg, it should come in "at the top". I think this for two reasons: firstly, its better for IETF process its done this way. secondly, it will allow for a better charter/focus to emerge. so you can add me +1 on the closure side. -George -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 26 21:17:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW0Jq-0001Aq-Fk; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:17:50 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW0Jj-0001v0-3f; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:17:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW0G7-0001VI-Gx for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:13:59 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW0G5-0001V5-TT for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:13:58 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4884611425; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:13:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: George Michaelson cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:53:30 +1000." <20070327105330.49888374@garlique.algebras.org> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> <20070327105330.49888374@garlique.algebras.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.2; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:13:57 +0000 Message-ID: <85057.1174958037@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea i'd like to see roy's version of DLV standardized before we quit, that's all. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 26 21:53:29 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW0sL-0007ua-Bx; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:53:29 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW0sJ-0000vO-12; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:53:29 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW0nn-0003OV-IC for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:48:47 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [198.32.6.68] (helo=vacation.karoshi.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW0nl-0003OA-Mq for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:48:46 +0000 Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by vacation.karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l2R1kRce008349; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:46:56 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l2R1jaWm008344; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:45:36 GMT Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:45:36 +0000 From: bmanning@karoshi.com To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Message-ID: <20070327014536.GC8009@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 > For this reason we asked the meeting and our AD for guidance on what to do > with the working group. The three options are > A. keep the working group open > B. Put the group to sleep/hibernate > C. Close the working group > > Options A and B require a new charter, the main reason for keeping the > working group alive is to have an official place to take DNS ideas > and have them processed (i.e. killed). > A living working group (case A) may keep attacking work which is > of limited value. > A group in hyphenation state still has a chair and official mailing > list it can process ID's as needed but does not meet. > > The feedback that the chairs was that option A was not attractive to the > people in the room. > > Option B had supporters and is advocated by our AD. > There are few people advocating option C as that sends the strongest > message that changes to DNS and DNSSEC are done and there is nothing more > to do. good summary. B has the downside that a single person(s) (WG chair) is chartered to judge the worthiness of any proposed new work. Such a gatekeeper is prone to abuse, neglect, etc. C, imho, is more properly characterized as "nothing more to do at this time" - leaving the Mailing list open, but the WG itself in a dormant state (e.g. less than the "hyphenated" version of "B" is my prefered outcome. fending off bad ideas can be done by the retained DNS directorate. new ideas should be the result of a group, forming a charter and having a specific task list to accomplish. > > The purpose of this message is to gauge the mailing list as to which option > they think is the most appropriate. > > Draft charter for DNSEXT in hyphenated state: > The DNSEXT WG group will actively maintain the DNS protocol and is > available for advancing DNS protocol related RFCs on the standard > track, while defending against further enhancements of questionable > value. > > > Olafur & Olaf > > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 26 21:58:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW0ww-0002Nz-87; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:58:14 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW0wu-00022O-Jb; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:58:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW0uv-0003ud-GV for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:56:09 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW0up-0003u1-KN for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 01:56:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2R1slw5072759; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:54:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:55:59 -0400 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson_=2FDNSEXT_co=2Dchair?= From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0770535483960d190d4a0d020e7060bd Kill it. The rest of the message says as much, so if you=20 are into the "bottom line" you can stop reading=20 already. At 20:36 -0400 3/26/07, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT co-chair wrote: >With the conclusion of the NSEC3 work there seems to be consensus >that DNSSEC work is done. Oh, the DNSSEC work is not done, but what remains=20 does not need a WG to discuss the protocol. There's plenty of DNS work out there -=20 implementations, performance, etc. But the=20 protocol is cooked though and through. Yes, DLV probably ought to be allowed to come to=20 a conclusion first, but on the other hand, it's a=20 shame we have to do it. >All the remaining work in the group are close to completion, >with the exception of > ECC DNSKEY specification. I have nothing against this, but it has fallen so=20 far off my radar, I can't see me wanting to=20 volunteer any time to work on it. Will this be=20 what puts DNSSEC over the top and get interest in=20 its deployment? If not, I wouldn't keep a WG=20 together for it. > advancing RFC's up the standards track. Does anyone care about the latter? I have seen=20 that no one wants to bother. This has become a=20 strictly bureaucratic hurdle. Draft Standards is supposed to mean that=20 interoperability has been demonstrated by relying=20 on the specifications. That's a noble goal. But=20 the way things work in the DNS industry today we=20 mostly just check to see if the new=20 implementations work with BIND and that's enough.=20 (At least one open source implementation touted=20 that it's testing consisted of replaying queries=20 and checking to see if the relies matched that of=20 a BIND server's real responses to the same=20 queries.) As long as no one demands Draft Standard compliance, it's not worth the effo= rt. What about DNAME? That's the only topic that=20 caused any stir of engineering at the meeting=20 last week. >Both of these items have not had great interest or activity. >A potential new item for the working group is the provide input on the >processing of RFC2929bis templates while that process is stabilizing. I'll note that RFC 2929bis has nothing to do with=20 engineering and is a (much needed) bureaucratic=20 process. It's not about engineering. >For this reason we asked the meeting and our AD for guidance on what to do >with the working group. The three options are > A. keep the working group open > B. Put the group to sleep/hibernate > C. Close the working group >Draft charter for DNSEXT in hyphenated state: > The DNSEXT WG group will actively maintain the DNS protocol and is > available for advancing DNS protocol related RFCs on the standard > track, while defending against further enhancements of questionable > value. I really think it is a folly to maintain a=20 dormant WG. (For those who don't know, Olafur=20 and I go back 25 years back before I had to help=20 him with the English of his thesis - I say this=20 because: "Olafur, *hyphenated*? Is the group=20 getting married? Like DNSOP-DNSEXT? Sorry=20 folks, sorry for the sarcasm - yes it doesn't=20 scale.) Oh, back to the cynical comment I *was*=20 going to make... A "hibernating" anything cannot "actively" do anything. Returning to being serious...DNSEXT was formed to=20 engineer specific extensions for DNS, not be a=20 bit bucket for the DNS protocol changes. The DNS protocol is something that should not be=20 undergoing continuous measurable improvement.=20 It's infrastructure, at some point it is done.=20 People who aren't DNS experts ought to be able to=20 see a stable platform. Yes there are features we want out of a naming=20 system that are not in DNS. But there's no way=20 we are going to get them features with what's=20 running on port 53 today. "Super wildcards" -=20 hat's off to the idea, but it can't happen with=20 this protocol, we've plum tweaked the protocol=20 out. Here's why we need to kill this outright: 1) Tell the ICANN folks we are done. They can=20 count on the DNS as the basis of much of the work=20 going on there. I'd be happy if we could=20 engineer a better naming system (DNS2) that=20 better fits the budding regulatory environment=20 growing there. 2) Tell the folks that are not signing the root=20 that we've done the best we can, it's in their=20 hands now. The extensions are done. 3) Let folks know that the IETF is still an=20 engineering organization with dynamic components,=20 not yet a crusty bureaucracy that can't seem to=20 let go of bailiwicks. 4) Give the impression that new features for a=20 naming system are going to need a major overhaul=20 of the naming system. Engineering is meant to solve other people's=20 problems. Fortunately for us, there are always=20 problems somewhere. PS - There's no reason to shut down the list.=20 The PROVREG WG as shut down (effectively after=20 the spring 03 IETF, officially about a year more=20 as documents got passed through the=20 gastro-editorial tract), the ietf-provreg list=20 stayed open (and still is) and has seen the=20 documents get to Draft Standard. The latter=20 thanks to there being a desire to see it happen=20 by participants. (And no WG as needed!) -- -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Sarcasm doesn't scale. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 26 22:17:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW1FU-00035V-Rv; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:17:26 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW1FT-0005l4-BW; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:17:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW1Ch-0005ZT-Kd for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:14:31 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [216.148.227.151] (helo=rwcrmhc11.comcast.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW1Cd-0005Yx-8U for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:14:30 +0000 Received: from mikespersonal.comcast.net (c-69-244-64-253.hsd1.md.comcast.net[69.244.64.253]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070327021426m11004c1gie>; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:14:26 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:14:25 -0400 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Michael StJohns Subject: Re: DNSEXT future In-Reply-To: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion Message-Id: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Hyphenation state? Would it be fair to characterize (B) as "We'll continue to be open to= standardize new RR Types that don't require changes to the base DNS= protocol, but further changes in the protocol are neither contemplated nor= desired [for a period of x years]." ? I'd like to put a sunset clause on= this - to wake up in say three years, do a 2-meeting evaluation of progress= and either wake up fully (say, to address discovered problems in ??), go= back to sleep or disband at that time. With respect to Paul Vixie's note - I assume he meant passing the DLV= document to Informational rather than as a standard? Not sure it needs a= live WG for it to get to that state. But useful to have the discussion= take place on namedroppers. I'd vote for B with an identified stuckee as chair just to have a point of= contact to advance the various stuck-at-proposed RFCs with the notes as= above. Mike At 20:36 3/26/2007, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT wrote: >Dear Colleagues: > >Last week in the WG meeting at IETF68 the chairs raised the issue that >the working group has basically concluded all of its working group items. >The chairs believe that there are no DNS protocol CHANGES that are being >developed. >With the conclusion of the NSEC3 work there seems to be consensus >that DNSSEC work is done. > >All the remaining work in the group are close to completion, >with the exception of > ECC DNSKEY specification. > advancing RFC's up the standards track. >Both of these items have not had great interest or activity. >A potential new item for the working group is the provide input on the >processing of RFC2929bis templates while that process is stabilizing. > >For this reason we asked the meeting and our AD for guidance on what to do >with the working group. The three options are > A. keep the working group open > B. Put the group to sleep/hibernate > C. Close the working group > >Options A and B require a new charter, the main reason for keeping the >working group alive is to have an official place to take DNS ideas >and have them processed (i.e. killed). >A living working group (case A) may keep attacking work which is >of limited value. >A group in hyphenation state still has a chair and official mailing >list it can process ID's as needed but does not meet. > >The feedback that the chairs was that option A was not attractive to the >people in the room. > >Option B had supporters and is advocated by our AD. >There are few people advocating option C as that sends the strongest >message that changes to DNS and DNSSEC are done and there is nothing more >to do. > >The purpose of this message is to gauge the mailing list as to which option >they think is the most appropriate. > >Draft charter for DNSEXT in hyphenated state: > The DNSEXT WG group will actively maintain the DNS protocol and is > available for advancing DNS protocol related RFCs on the standard > track, while defending against further enhancements of questionable > value. > > > Olafur & Olaf=20 > >-- >to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with >the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. >archive: -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Mar 26 22:31:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW1Sz-0000im-4p; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:31:21 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW1Sv-00016E-Qv; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:31:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW1Ph-0006wK-M3 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:27:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.184.167] (helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW1Pf-0006w1-WD for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:27:56 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867C711401E for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:27:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark_Andrews@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost.isc.org [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10226E6086 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:27:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2R2Rpek090726 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:27:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200703270227.l2R2Rpek090726@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: DNSEXT future In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:55:59 -0400." Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:27:51 +1000 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 If we need to defend against new DNS extentions then this has to be done in a open manner. The DNS directorate is not the appropriate place. As for "BIND" is the standard. Please don't. We have many times needed to make implementation choices. Sometimes those choices are wrong. Sometimes we mis-read / overlook something. Also we have been there as part of the development process. We really do need to see interop from new vendors that wern't around when a RFC is developed to be able to move forward RFCs on the standards track. We had a perfect example of this in the weeks leading up to IETF 68. I still want to see the RFCs advanced. I would however be happy with waiting a year or so before looking at them as I feel that most of the wg feel slightly burnout at this stage. Recessing for a year or so would be a good idea. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 02:27:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW59I-0003dZ-5S; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:27:16 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW59A-0003og-Ru; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:27:16 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW52x-0004fg-Ge for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:20:43 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [213.248.199.24] (helo=mx4.nominet.org.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW52u-0004eo-V7 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:20:42 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO notes1.nominet.org.uk) ([213.248.197.128]) by mx4.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 27 Mar 2007 07:20:38 +0100 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.14,331,1170633600"; d="scan'208"; a="7197684:sNHT61260964" In-Reply-To: <85057.1174958037@sa.vix.com> To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V702MAC_11052006 November 05, 2006 Message-ID: From: Roy Arends Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:20:38 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 27/03/2007 07:20:37 AM, Serialize complete at 27/03/2007 07:20:37 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Paul Vixie wrote on 03/27/2007 03:13:57 AM: > i'd like to see roy's version of DLV standardized before we quit, that's all. Me too. (well, ofcourse I would, wouldn't I). Jakob and I are writing this up in a draft that will soon hit the list. As for DNSEXT, I don't think we're done at all. There is indeed DLV, and there is the last mile. There is also the transparency and the end-to-end paradigm I'd like to see written up, explicitly for the DNS. There is key-management, rollover, and once 2929-bis is done, I hope to see more record types hit the iana registry. Some of this can be wrapped up in DNSOP, but not all of it. Just my .02 american lire. Roy -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From birkbayard@tridentsearch.com Tue Mar 27 04:32:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW76G-0006HW-1i for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:32:17 -0400 Received: from [58.140.60.227] (helo=LocalHost) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW76B-0002yd-BU for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:32:16 -0400 To: "elwin henka" Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:31:49 +0900 From: "cymbre neils" Sender: "cymbre neils" Subject: Toni MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_E43A_01C77095.BEA682D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 1ba0ec39a747b7612d6a8ae66d1a873c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_E43A_01C77095.BEA682D0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_E43B_01C77095.BEA682D0" ------=_NextPart_001_E43B_01C77095.BEA682D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable VI. Smeerenburg and the Whale-Oil Rush Seized from creation by nonentity, Between the vertex that the far-lit gray Of Boyg of Normandy . . . shortcake, waffles, berries and cream A pallid yellow lingers Is it almost honey, is it snow? Unreadable from behind=97they are well down So you can watch me watch uplifted snow Floating on the sky. The surge of swirling wind defines In white, in paint too representative I seek, above all, in the wandering In search of brighter green to come. No way! shaded by live oaks and bottlebrush trees Deep in the fog that quenches every ray, Beyond ice floe and berg and ice-bound sea, Never does any motion, sound, or light Sculpting each tree to fit your ghostly form. ------=_NextPart_001_E43B_01C77095.BEA682D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
VI. Smeerenburg and the Whale-Oil Rush
Seized from creation by nonentity,
Between the vertex that the far-lit gray
Of Boyg of Normandy . . .
shortcake, waffles, berries and cream
A pallid yellow lingers
Is it almost honey, is it snow?
Unreadable from behind—they are well down
So you can watch me watch uplifted snow
Floating on the sky.
The surge of swirling wind defines
In white, in paint too representative
I seek, above all, in the wandering
In search of brighter green to come. No way!
shaded by live oaks and bottlebrush trees
Deep in the fog that quenches every ray,
Beyond ice floe and berg and ice-bound sea,
Never does any motion, sound, or light
Sculpting each tree to fit your ghostly form.
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------=_NextPart_000_E43A_01C77095.BEA682D0-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 05:03:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW7at-00047T-Ne; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:03:55 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW7an-0003lq-9H; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:03:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW7Vl-000KSC-LH for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:58:37 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.184.167] (helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW7Vj-000KRx-PN for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:58:36 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B83E114028; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:58:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Shane_Kerr@isc.org) Received: from [199.6.1.234] (unknown [199.6.1.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F79BE6086; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:58:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shane@isc.org) Message-ID: <4608DCB8.9000505@isc.org> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:58:32 +0200 From: Shane Kerr Reply-To: shane_kerr@isc.org Organization: ISC User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070304) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson_/DNSEXT_co-chair?= CC: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> In-Reply-To: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ólafur, Ólafur Guðmundsson /DNSEXT co-chair wrote: > > Draft charter for DNSEXT in hyphenated state: > The DNSEXT WG group will actively maintain the DNS protocol and is > available for advancing DNS protocol related RFCs on the standard > track, while defending against further enhancements of questionable > value. I find the idea of changing the group to one explicitly chartered to stop work to be a bit disturbing. Nobody else in the room seemed to mind, so maybe I'm crazy. I understand that DNS is somewhat of a magnet for bad ideas, since it is so successful. But "defending against further enhancements of questionable value" implies a closed mindset. What is the new DNSEXT group supposed to do when a good idea appears? With this charter, the most important thing the group can do is criticize the idea, until the people advocating it somehow manage to get work done anyway, or go away and leave the IETF process completely. For the record, I like the idea of a hibernating group of DNS experts to *help* people with their DNS ideas and drafts. - -- Shane -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGCNy4MsfZxBO4kbQRAncaAJ96PO0IIjpR8ZhLVGxV80GWYePcGwCgnsIp cnk3F0S5eJmjgOO7540FtgI= =DsQl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 05:21:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW7rj-0002OY-Ad; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:21:19 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW7ri-0001HS-12; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:21:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW7on-000Lel-0q for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:18:17 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [192.134.4.11] (helo=mx2.nic.fr) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW7oe-000LeL-Vz for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:18:16 +0000 Received: from mx2.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BBF01C00D9; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:18:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DA61C009B; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:18:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8E558ED21; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:18:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:18:06 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Edward Lewis Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Message-ID: <20070327091806.GA520@nic.fr> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:55:59PM -0400, Edward Lewis wrote a message of 154 lines which said: > I'd be happy if we could engineer a better naming system (DNS2) that > better fits the budding regulatory environment growing there. Expect a RFC on DNS2 requirments in four days, then a BoF in Chicago and a new WG :-) -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 05:36:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW86B-0000d1-QC; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:36:15 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW864-0006F5-Fa; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:36:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW82R-000Ml2-2T for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:32:23 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [193.1.169.34] (helo=dakota.ucd.ie) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW82O-000Mkh-Fn for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:32:21 +0000 Received: from conversion-daemon.dakota.ucd.ie by dakota.ucd.ie (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) id <0JFK00E012DIS000@dakota.ucd.ie> (original mail from Niall.oReilly@ucd.ie) for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:32:18 +0100 (IST) Received: from [10.0.1.189] ([83.141.81.52]) by dakota.ucd.ie (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0JFK00A9R2HSLI20@dakota.ucd.ie>; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:32:17 +0100 (IST) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:32:36 +0100 From: Niall O'Reilly Subject: Re: DNSEXT future In-reply-to: To: Edward Lewis Cc: Niall O'Reilly , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson_/DNSEXT_co-chair?= , Namedroppers WG , Peter Koch Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.1.1 (Tiger) References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 27 Mar 2007, at 02:55, Edward Lewis wrote: > What about DNAME? > That's the only topic that caused any stir of engineering at the > meeting last week. As some of you know, I'm a fan of DNAME. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to listen in remotely to last week's meeting. Consequently, I have some catching up to do. Last time I read Wouter's draft, it seemed to me that any remaining DNAME issues were operational in nature, and thus out of scope for DNSEXT. I _am_ wondering where best these can be followed up -- DNSOP? Best regards, Niall O'Reilly University College Dublin IT Services PGP key ID: AE995ED9 (see www.pgp.net) Fingerprint: 23DC C6DE 8874 2432 2BE0 3905 7987 E48D AE99 5ED9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGCOS6eYfkja6ZXtkRAq6aAJ9VxPtaafs41SFKJVeTbZvw+tm+FgCfYT/X /vPHVAnmwIoJOsIkcrKY8Pc= =/mps -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 05:40:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW8Ae-0002jf-Cr; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:40:52 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW8Ad-0008TT-3F; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:40:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW87V-000NED-51 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:37:37 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [198.32.6.68] (helo=vacation.karoshi.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW87T-000NDq-Id for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:37:36 +0000 Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by vacation.karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l2R9YCce011912; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:34:41 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l2R9X1cu011905; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:33:01 GMT Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:33:01 +0000 From: bmanning@karoshi.com To: Stephane Bortzmeyer Cc: Edward Lewis , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Message-ID: <20070327093301.GA11876@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> <20070327091806.GA520@nic.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070327091806.GA520@nic.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 11:18:06AM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:55:59PM -0400, > Edward Lewis wrote > a message of 154 lines which said: > > > I'd be happy if we could engineer a better naming system (DNS2) that > > better fits the budding regulatory environment growing there. > > Expect a RFC on DNS2 requirments in four days, then a BoF in Chicago > and a new WG :-) RFC in four days!!!! the new IESG/IAB have apparently cut a fast-track deal w/ the RFC Editor. How did you do it? --bill -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 06:05:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW8YR-00042D-6c; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:05:27 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW8YP-0008E7-T8; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:05:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW8UN-000PX3-1k for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:01:15 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [192.134.4.11] (helo=mx2.nic.fr) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW8UH-000PWa-A4 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:01:10 +0000 Received: from mx2.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 569AB1C00DF; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:01:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EBD1C00DB; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:01:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438EC58EBC5; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:01:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:01:06 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: bmanning@karoshi.com Cc: Stephane Bortzmeyer , Edward Lewis , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Message-ID: <20070327100106.GA6121@nic.fr> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> <20070327091806.GA520@nic.fr> <20070327093301.GA11876@vacation.karoshi.com.> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070327093301.GA11876@vacation.karoshi.com.> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 09:33:01AM +0000, bmanning@karoshi.com wrote a message of 20 lines which said: > > Expect a RFC on DNS2 requirments in four days, > How did you do it? Do a bit of maths and you'll see :-) -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 06:07:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW8ai-0004pf-DG; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:07:48 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW8ae-00005n-0N; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:07:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW8Yc-000Q04-Vj for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:05:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [82.93.240.211] (helo=adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW8Ya-000PzR-DO for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:05:38 +0000 Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl ([213.244.168.210] ident=postfix) by adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HW8YW-0004z4-AN for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:05:32 +0200 Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 165404B847; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:05:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:05:31 +0200 From: bert hubert To: Shane Kerr Cc: ?lafur Gu?mundsson /DNSEXT co-chair , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Message-ID: <20070327100531.GD18828@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> <4608DCB8.9000505@isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4608DCB8.9000505@isc.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 10:58:32AM +0200, Shane Kerr wrote: > For the record, I like the idea of a hibernating group of DNS experts to *help* > people with their DNS ideas and drafts. For me that is a very important point - 'namedroppers' serves as a central gathering of DNS experts and knowledge. Whatever happens to DNSEXT, I still need such a central place where people know how things *should* work. As opposed to DNSOP which is a gathering of people who know how things *do* work :-) Both groups have their purposes. -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 06:12:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW8fT-0006SZ-UP; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:12:43 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW8fP-0000zp-KZ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:12:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW8cr-0000Le-CV for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:10:01 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [193.30.224.136] (helo=plouf.absolight.net) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW8co-0000L2-Ld for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:10:00 +0000 Received: from ATuin.local (mano.absolight.net [193.30.224.138]) by plouf.absolight.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1556040E3 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:09:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ATuin.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6379342923B for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:09:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:09:55 +0200 From: Mathieu Arnold Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Message-ID: <1E299EB2539FCBC315CBFC83@ATuin.local> In-Reply-To: <20070327100106.GA6121@nic.fr> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> <20070327091806.GA520@nic.fr> <20070327093301.GA11876@vacation.karoshi.com.> <20070327100106.GA6121@nic.fr> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 +-Le 27/03/07 12:01 +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer a dit : | On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 09:33:01AM +0000, | bmanning@karoshi.com wrote | a message of 20 lines which said: | |> > Expect a RFC on DNS2 requirments in four days, | |> How did you do it? | | Do a bit of maths and you'll see :-) Shouldn't that be five days ? -- Mathieu Arnold -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From many@owta.net Tue Mar 27 06:15:59 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW8id-0007Wa-P5 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:15:59 -0400 Received: from [88.225.111.219] (helo=[212.175.115.105]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW8ia-0001J6-U8 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:15:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c77058$d3cfea80$00000000@tr> From: "Spivey Tonights" To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: cheering names were Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:15:21 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C77071.F91D2280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 4.1 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 0bb031f3a6fb29f760794ac9bf1997ae ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C77071.F91D2280 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0005_01C77071.F91D2280" ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C77071.F91D2280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roll legendary, pioneer won, third annual. 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1HW8v6-0001rw-76 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:28:52 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [192.0.34.14] (helo=smtp01.icann.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW8v4-0001rg-44 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:28:51 +0000 Received: from terminus.icann-lisboa.pt ([193.137.242.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp01.icann.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2RASaSI018907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 02:28:40 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by terminus.icann-lisboa.pt (PGP Universal service); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:28:38 +0100 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by terminus.icann-lisboa.pt on Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:28:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Message-Id: <13702273-1089-4DFF-A326-EB74F73ACAF3@icann.org> Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: David Conrad Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:28:33 +0100 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson_/DNSEXT_co-chair?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Hi, On Mar 27, 2007, at 1:36 AM, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT co-chair = wrote: > With the conclusion of the NSEC3 work there seems to be consensus > that DNSSEC work is done. Key rollover? > C. Close the working group And create task specific working groups as necessary. Rgds, -drc (Speaking for myself)= -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 07:01:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW9Qu-0001dh-7b; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:01:44 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW9Qs-0000Nx-Ue; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:01:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW9NF-00043M-V9 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:57:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [198.32.6.68] (helo=vacation.karoshi.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW9NE-000435-8J for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:57:57 +0000 Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by vacation.karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l2RArPce012418; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:53:55 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id l2RAqE8G012411; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:52:14 GMT Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:52:14 +0000 From: bmanning@karoshi.com To: Stephane Bortzmeyer Cc: bmanning@karoshi.com, Edward Lewis , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Message-ID: <20070327105214.GA12355@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> <20070327091806.GA520@nic.fr> <20070327093301.GA11876@vacation.karoshi.com.> <20070327100106.GA6121@nic.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070327100106.GA6121@nic.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 12:01:06PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 09:33:01AM +0000, > bmanning@karoshi.com wrote > a message of 20 lines which said: > > > > Expect a RFC on DNS2 requirments in four days, > > > How did you do it? > > Do a bit of maths and you'll see :-) > 2,880 hour days... works out just right. --bill -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 07:27:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW9q1-0004Rp-Jq; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:27:41 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HW9px-0005Vx-8v; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:27:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW9lh-0005h1-SD for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:23:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [129.6.16.226] (helo=smtp.nist.gov) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HW9le-0005gf-My for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:23:12 +0000 Received: from [129.6.140.98] (98-140.antd.nist.gov [129.6.140.98]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2RBN10f005959 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:23:01 -0400 Message-ID: <4608FE95.5060100@nist.gov> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:23:01 -0400 From: Scott Rose Organization: NIST User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061107) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Namedroppers WG Subject: Re: DNSEXT future References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: scottr@nist.gov Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 50a516d93fd399dc60588708fd9a3002 Niall O'Reilly wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 27 Mar 2007, at 02:55, Edward Lewis wrote: > >> What about DNAME? >> That's the only topic that caused any stir of engineering at the >> meeting last week. > > As some of you know, I'm a fan of DNAME. > Unfortunately, I wasn't able to listen in remotely to last week's > meeting. > Consequently, I have some catching up to do. > > Last time I read Wouter's draft, it seemed to me that any remaining > DNAME issues > were operational in nature, and thus out of scope for DNSEXT. I > _am_ wondering > where best these can be followed up -- DNSOP? > Well, there was some last protocol (mainly signals/TTL value) issues left that were presented, but most of them seem settled. Wouter and I don't know if any last minute issues will come up, but a mailing list can take care of that (I hope). Most of the text is protocol, so DNSEXT makes more sense. However, I don't think there needs to be any meeting time devoted to the draft anymore. All the work can be completed on the mailing list in a short time frame (before Chicago, I hope :) ) Scott ---------------------------------------- Scott Rose Computer Scientist NIST ph: +1 301-975-8439 scott.rose@nist.gov http://www-x.antd.nist.gov/dnssec http://www.dnssec-deployment.org/ ----------------------------------------- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 08:21:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWAgO-0002v5-6E; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:21:48 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWAgL-0007hC-SR; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:21:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWAcq-000Cdz-J5 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:18:08 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWAco-000Cdk-6p for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:18:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2RCGhd4075733; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:16:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4608FE95.5060100@nist.gov> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> <4608FE95.5060100@nist.gov> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:17:56 -0400 To: Scott Rose From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Cc: Namedroppers WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 At 7:23 -0400 3/27/07, Scott Rose wrote: >Most of the text is protocol, so DNSEXT makes more sense. However, I don't >think there needs to be any meeting time devoted to the draft anymore. All >the work can be completed on the mailing list in a short time frame (before >Chicago, I hope :) ) When I say there's no engineering left, I am talking about design work, work that needs a group to discuss. What's left are mostly document processing steps, editing, etc. I think that for the most part ideas have been hammered out, we need to express them. OTOH - using the DO bit to signal understanding of DNAME is something I would "encourage my competitor to do." Perhaps that needs to be discussed. 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psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [65.201.175.9] (helo=cliffie.verisignlabs.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWB5h-000F4g-VJ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:47:59 +0000 Received: from monsoon.verisignlabs.com (scooter.bo.verisignlabs.com [172.25.170.10]) by cliffie.verisignlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BEC13668D; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zephyr.verisignlabs.com (zephyr.verisignlabs.com [10.131.244.205]) by monsoon.verisignlabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2081381B5; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:47:56 -0400 From: Matt Larson To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Message-ID: <20070327124756.GK791@zephyr.verisignlabs.com> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 My vote is for: On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > B. Put the group to sleep/hibernate We can simultaneously respond to ideas--good or bad--that come up, as well as complete the remaining work that others have mentioned in this thread. (I am especially concerned with key rollover.) I don't agree with the notion that all the engineering work is done and only paper shuffling is left. What's the hurry to close down and what's the harm in going dormant? We can wait in the wings until the DNS bat signal is projected in the clouds and can spring nimbly back to life, without the overhead of WG formation. I especially like that there's a precedent with the PPP WG. Matt -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 10:25:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWCc6-0000eE-MB; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:25:30 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWCc5-0005cA-9r; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:25:30 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWCUm-000MzH-QV for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:17:56 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWCUh-000Myw-Ge for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:17:55 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2REGXKK076355; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:16:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200703271416.l2REGXKK076355@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:51:12 -0400 To: Edward Lewis From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 At 21:55 26/03/2007, Edward Lewis wrote: >What about DNAME? That's the only topic that caused any stir of >engineering at the meeting last week. I omitted from my summary that we have 2 active working group documents[A] both of which the chairs intent to force the working group to finish in the next few months, and advance them to IESG by Jun. 15'th. There are also number of documents at the IESG that need to be processed. Rechartering takes minimum 1-2 months so the WG, chairs and AD needs some lead time on that one, thus the question now. Each one of the options presented has different point of execution, killing the WG is the one that will take longest (i.e. after IESG approves the last document). Keep the group around is shortest, going sleep is in the middle. The purpose of this message is an open question to the WG are we done mucking with DNS and DNSSEC? Olafur [A] Read and comment on ASAP: http://ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2672bis-dname-01.txt http://ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-00.txt -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 10:26:44 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWCdI-0000uS-Di; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:26:44 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWCdF-0005uZ-1I; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:26:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWCZZ-000NQX-Sc for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:22:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [200.160.2.4] (helo=clone.registro.br) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWCZQ-000NQ0-JP for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:22:48 +0000 Received: by clone.registro.br (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AD9F3B841; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:22:43 -0300 (BRT) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:22:43 -0300 From: Frederico A C Neves To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Message-ID: <20070327142243.GU38317@registro.br> Mail-Followup-To: Frederico A C Neves , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:36:10PM -0400, Ólafur Guðmundsson /DNSEXT co-chair wrote: > > Dear Colleagues: > > Last week in the WG meeting at IETF68 the chairs raised the issue that > the working group has basically concluded all of its working group items. > The chairs believe that there are no DNS protocol CHANGES that are being > developed. > With the conclusion of the NSEC3 work there seems to be consensus > that DNSSEC work is done. Finish DNAME, get a better understanding/implementation/standard on the Key Rollover problem, or does the informational trustupdate-timers is our final call on that ? then, ... > For this reason we asked the meeting and our AD for guidance on what to do > with the working group. The three options are > A. keep the working group open > B. Put the group to sleep/hibernate > C. Close the working group Close the working group. Fred -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 10:42:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWCso-000306-0T; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:42:46 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWCsm-0003AY-Mv; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:42:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWCob-000OvK-Cl for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:38:25 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWCoU-000Oui-EZ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:38:19 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2REas8H076520; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:36:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200703271436.l2REas8H076520@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:37:42 -0400 To: David Conrad From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org In-Reply-To: <13702273-1089-4DFF-A326-EB74F73ACAF3@icann.org> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> <13702273-1089-4DFF-A326-EB74F73ACAF3@icann.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 At 06:28 27/03/2007, David Conrad wrote: >Hi, > >On Mar 27, 2007, at 1:36 AM, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT co-chair wrote: >>With the conclusion of the NSEC3 work there seems to be consensus >>that DNSSEC work is done. > >Key rollover? WG advanced the -timers- draft as the protocol handling this issue. The WG has not taken on "Initial TA trust configuration" work item which is the open Key management issue. The last mile problem still remains, some says run full validator at end, others say wider channel from validating resolver to stub-resolver, so far the WG has not seen any proposals to address this. >> C. Close the working group > >And create task specific working groups as necessary. Yes that would be the plan. Olafur =20 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 11:10:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWDJr-0000DC-7o; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:10:43 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWDJl-0001yb-SD; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:10:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWDDx-0001oe-Qr for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:04:37 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HEADER_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWDDp-0001oD-PC for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:04:35 +0000 Received: from mail.ogud.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2RF3BGP076716 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:03:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from namedroppers@mail.ogud.com) Received: (from namedroppers@localhost) by mail.ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l2RF3Bai076715 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:03:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from namedroppers) Received: from [204.152.184.167] (helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HUj8b-000BCd-W3 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:44:59 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BB011402A; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:44:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Joao_Damas@isc.org) Received: from [204.62.249.39] (unknown [84.77.165.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE70E60D9; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:44:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Joao_Damas@isc.org) In-Reply-To: <20070323111059.GB31083@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> <20070322073609.GA4489@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> <49B8F6C5-9F79-419A-80E5-0297AA7960DF@isc.org> <20070323003852.GC26273@vacation.karoshi.com.> <3517456D-98CE-4382-8FD1-9C526CDFDF80@isc.org> <20070323111059.GB31083@vacation.karoshi.com.> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <32FFCADA-DEEB-4C32-84B8-8CF7FBAD46CA@isc.org> Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joao Damas Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:44:52 +0100 To: bmanning@karoshi.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 [ Moderators note: Post was moderated, either because it was posted by a non-subscriber, or because it was over 20K. With the massive amount of spam, it is easy to miss and therefore delete relevant posts by non-subscribers. Please fix your subscription addresses. ] On 23 Mar 2007, at 12:10, bmanning@karoshi.com wrote: > you have stated that there is no trust > on your part for statements I make) not what I said. > > if I, as the receiveing party, am to properly do credential checking, > I will not trust the credential checking of the party from whom I > receive the incoming dataset. I will do it myself, using the "heavy" > checking indicated above. My customers would and shold expect no > less. > the credential verification process can be passed along with the entries. It really is not hard Joao -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 11:18:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWDR6-0004Dx-Of; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:18:12 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWDR5-0003mp-3j; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:18:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWDNV-0002a3-2N for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:14:29 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [130.105.36.66] (helo=cirrus.av8.net) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWDNK-0002Ye-VH for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:14:23 +0000 Received: from [130.105.12.10] ([130.105.12.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by cirrus.av8.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2RFE6FK018013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:14:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Dean Anderson X-X-Sender: dean@citation2.av8.net To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT co-chair cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future In-Reply-To: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 I think the working group needs to properly resolve AXFR-clarify. I will submit a draft to do this. IXFR also needs work. I think the working group should stay open to handle existing and new DNS protocol issues and new record formats. There are a number of new protocols that have been put forward, but for which there is no implemenation or experience. I rather expect that some of these drafts will need to be tweaked. The working group should stay open as a forum to discuss that work. --Dean -- Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service 617 344 9000 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 11:29:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWDc4-0001hW-MB; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:29:32 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWDbz-0005Od-8Q; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:29:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWDX3-0003Kk-Kr for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:24:21 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWDWq-0003Jg-VK for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:24:16 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F1611426 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:24:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:14:25 -0400." References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.2; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:24:06 +0000 Message-ID: <86972.1175009046@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da there are three replies here, two about DLV, one about this mailing list. > From: Michael StJohns > > With respect to Paul Vixie's note - I assume he meant passing the DLV > document to Informational rather than as a standard? ... no. roy arends told me a dlv the other day that would scale. steve crocker asked his dnssec-deployment committee the other day whether dnssec was deployable without "something like dlv" and the consensus was "no." (steve went further than i, saying that "something like dlv" would ALWAYS be needed, not just as an early deployment aid.) taking those two facts together means that we need to put roy's dlv on the standards track, and for that we need a WG. given that this WG has created an undeployable secure-dns protocol, it seems that disbanding would be a good way to signal our disgrace, but would not serve any constructive purpose. literally speaking, we're just not finished. > From: Roy Arends > > vixie> i'd like to see roy's version of DLV standardized > vixie> before we quit, that's all. > > Me too. (well, ofcourse I would, wouldn't I). Jakob and I are writing this > up in a draft that will soon hit the list. and there was great rejoicing. i disagreed with steve, i thought secure dns only needs "something like dlv" during early deployment. but based on david conrad's estimate of the costs and risks involved in holding the KSK, and the unlikelihood of ICANN being able to assume those costs or willing to assume those risks, i now agree with steve, "something like dlv" will *always* be needed. given that roy's proposed hack to dlv would allow each domain to choose its own dlv registry, the scaling limit of "one single dlv registry" will be gone, and with some care around both off-the-wire aggressive-negative-caching and negative caching in general, dlv as part of the basic secure dns architecture is not only necessary, but realistic and practical. > From: bert hubert > > kerr> For the record, I like the idea of a hibernating group of DNS > kerr> experts to *help* people with their DNS ideas and drafts. > > For me that is a very important point - 'namedroppers' serves as a central > gathering of DNS experts and knowledge. > > Whatever happens to DNSEXT, I still need such a central place where people > know how things *should* work. As opposed to DNSOP which is a gathering of > people who know how things *do* work :-) the namedroppers@ mailing list predates this WG, and predates the old DNSIND working group, and may predate IETF, having been part of NWG. there is no authority now living who can close this list, only choose whether to stop hosting it, and i do not expect "ops.ietf.org" to stop hosting this list. on the other hand, dns-operations@lists.oarci.net has been a success, more so than the various other (closed, invitation only) lists hosted by OARC. keith would certainly create dns-protocol@lists.oarci.net if someone asked him to. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 11:49:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWDvW-0002PB-14; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:49:38 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWDvU-0002Ez-MI; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:49:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWDrq-00055S-V3 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:45:50 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [65.205.251.74] (helo=colibri.verisign.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWDrl-00054u-3I for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:45:46 +0000 Received: from mou1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (mailer1.verisign.com [65.205.251.34]) by colibri.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2RFjigi009727; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:45:44 -0700 Received: from MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.25.13.157]) by mou1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:45:43 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:45:27 -0700 Message-ID: <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD37011E126A@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <67730.1174572329@sa.vix.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 Thread-Index: AcdsjKGdcoce0J3UT2O9dxazae6RwQD+hpSw From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" To: "Paul Vixie" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2007 15:45:43.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA8D95E0:01C77086] Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d If you were to go that route a sensible first step would be to require = the type of auditing currently required by CABFORUM for issuers of = Extended Validation certificates. The end entity authentication requirements would not be relevant but the = rest of the document would. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org=20 > [mailto:owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Vixie > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:05 AM > To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org > Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02=20 >=20 > > > >Is IANA willing to comply to this request? > > >=20 > > > Sorry, which request? > >=20 > > Creating a DLV registry, as instructed in the IANA=20 > Considerations section. >=20 > if iana were to create dlv.iana.org and open it to all=20 > parties at no fee and with heavy credential checking, world=20 > wide service and operations, auditing for stale keys, and=20 > strong security around the KSK, then isc would have no more=20 > reason to operate dlv.isc.org and we would throw our support=20 > behind iana. >=20 > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to=20 > namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe'=20 > in a single line as the message text body. > archive: >=20 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 12:48:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWEqF-0007pG-23; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:48:15 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWEqB-0007fB-OT; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:48:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWEkL-000B18-Oj for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:42:09 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [65.205.251.74] (helo=colibri.verisign.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWEkC-000Azs-Ln for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:42:05 +0000 Received: from mou1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (mailer1.verisign.com [65.205.251.34]) by colibri.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2RGfx3S012425 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:41:59 -0700 Received: from MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.25.13.157]) by mou1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:41:16 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Protocol Policy Publication Was: DNSEXT future Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:40:59 -0700 Message-ID: <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD37011E1271@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <4608DCB8.9000505@isc.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Protocol Policy Publication Was: DNSEXT future Thread-Index: AcdwTx0x7BjBaqCZS7W44QMILg7LHAAOFTYw From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2007 16:41:16.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD314C20:01C7708E] Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21be852dc93f0971708678c18d38c096 One issue that keeps coming up is the desire to publish some form of = policy indication through the DNS. I don't think that the IETF can or should ignore this. If we do we will = end up with the situation that most of us like least and is the reason = that people tend to try to suppress such proposals - without success. In = particular we end up with: * Protocols that perform 'tree walking' and other forms of heuristic = policy discovery * DNS RRs being hijacked for other purposes (e.g. SPF use of the = unprefixed TXT record) * A proliferation of unregistered, untracked TXT and SRV prefixes. * People sticking large chunks of XML text into the DNS infrastructure = itself * People propose rival infrastructures (e.g. UDDI, XRI) that attempt = to superceed the DNS. * It is not yet happening but if we make DNS RR assignments into the = equivalent of IP port numbers we should expect to see unauthorized and = uncontrolled RR assignments becoming common. I don't like any of the above. But from an architecture perspective I = fully expect that in the future we will see most new protocols specify = some form of policy layer. And expect the number of protocols to start = to proliferate very quickly as Web Services / Mashups / Semantic web = take hold over the next ten years. I fully expect that the number of protocols that define policy will be = of the order of hundreds a year. I don't believe that this is compatible = with the idea that each policy record should have its own RR. If we go = that route we are committing to burn several hundred, possibly thousand = RRs per year to keep up with something that is not core to the DNS = protocol. That is something that we must also avoid. Rather than wait for the problem to become serious I would prefer to = solve the problem now, once by anticipating it. The solution I want to propose makes use of either one new RR or = possibly two new RRs. The objective here is to get ahead of the curve by = anticipating a very large number of needs while sticking to the core = principles of DNS. In particular: AXIOM1 : The DNS infrastructure is the sole authortitative lookup = scheme for DNS names =20 COROLARY1 : If a protocol policy is bound to a DNS name the mechanism = for discovery of that policy must be mediated by the DNS. AXIOM2 : The DNS supports lightweight queries and responses COROLARY2 : If the policy does not fit onto a few lines of text the DNS = should return a pointer (i.e. URI) to the results. COROLARY3 : If the form of the query requires any parameters other than = a DNS name the DNS result must be a pointer to a service that can handle = the extended query (e.g. SIP, LDAP, etc.) AXIOM3 : Adding a new protocol to the Internet should not require = any change to the core Internet infrastructure, including the DNS, nor = should this require consumption of any finite resource (IP ports, DNS = RRs). This analysis makes me believe that prefix records are the way to go. = This creates a problem however since prefix records do not work with = wildcards. In particular it is not possible to define a wildcard of the = form: _prefix.*.example.com Which is of course exactly the type of record that the DKIM people need = and many others want.=20 We can solve DKIM by issuing a new RR and getting round the restrictive = DNS wildcard semantics by using an administrative wildcard of some form. = We can solve GEOPRV. OK so that is two new RRs. And two sets of = synthesized data to be created at every node in the DNS tree. That is = arguably manageable. What do we do if there are a hundred policy protocols to be dealt with, = each of which require their own administrative wildcard expansion? **.example.com DIKMP "DKIM" **.example.com GEOPRIVP "..." **.example.com NEWPROT1 "..." **.example.com NEWPROT2 "..." ... **.example.com NEWPROT100 "..." Each of those administrative wildcards require a record to be = synthesized for every node in our zone. Say we have 200 nodes. That = means we have 20,000 synthetic records sitting around. Plus another = 20,000 signatures if we are doing DNSSEC.=20 A much better way to solve this problem is to introduce a pointer record = into the scheme. This allows us to create the 'midpoint wildcard' = without changing or disrupting DNSSEC. The policy discovery process then = becomes: 1) Look for TXT at _policy.node.example.com If found, return the result and terminate 2) Look for XPTR at node.example.com If not found then return 'NOPOLICY' 3) Look for _policy. If found return the result Else return 'NOPOLICY' Under this scheme we still need a single administrative wildcard for the = XPTR record. But every policy scheme can make use of the same XPTR = record. So in the previous example we would only require 200+200 = additional records. The combinatorial explosion is avoided. So far the chief objection I have received has been 'this is = architecture, it might be wrong'. Which is of course right but = completely unactionable. We can forsee a problem, we have a proposed = solution. It is quite possible that the proposed solution might not = anticipate every eventuiality but this does not seem to me to be a good = argument for ignoring the problem we can forsee. What objective criteria can be defined for the correctness of an = architectural proposal? From my point of view the approach that I take = is pretty minimal, very clean and I think it through at both the = protocol level (bits on the wire) and the API level (is it possible to = encapsulate this in a fashion that makes sense). With this addition I believe I can support the features required in = DKIM, SPF, and anything built on WS-Policy. That may not cover = everything but it does at least get us ahead of the fire. If I am right we avoid what could become a serious problem within a few = years. Growth in the number of Internet protocols has largely been = constrained by the fact that they have been mostly targetting = human-human and human-machine interaction.=20 Once we get into the detailed area of machine-machine interaction the = problem space becomes huge, much larger than OASIS, W3C, ITU and IETF = combined. Worse still expect that most of those protocols are going to = be designed by people who have no real concept of the DNS except what = they learn through administering protocols such as DKIM. For every = standards track proposal there will be tens of proposals that never make = it there. Anyway, since we are told that it is easy to get a new RR assigned I am = going to propose the XPTR RR as a standards track proposal. It has to be = STANDARD, not EXPERIMENTAL or else the DKIM working group will be unable = to make use of it. The question then is should this be a proposal made to DNSEXT or a = personal submission or what?=20 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Mar 27 15:53:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWHjD-0002Hm-9g; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:53:11 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWHj9-00040s-UE; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:53:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWHar-0000zY-Sg for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:44:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [192.94.214.100] (helo=nutshell.tislabs.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWHak-0000z6-OK for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:44:28 +0000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nutshell.tislabs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id l2RG7SNX029815; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pecan.tislabs.com(10.66.1.30) by nutshell.tislabs.com via csmap (V6.0) id srcAAAGtaWn6; Tue, 27 Mar 07 11:07:24 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pecan.tislabs.com [10.66.1.30]) by pecan.tislabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3713F424; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:45:43 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <200703271436.l2REas8H076520@ogud.com> References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> <13702273-1089-4DFF-A326-EB74F73ACAF3@icann.org> <200703271436.l2REas8H076520@ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: David Conrad , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suresh Krishnaswamy Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:48:22 -0400 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson_/DNSEXT_co-chair?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 > The last mile problem still remains, some says run full validator at > end, others say wider channel from validating resolver to stub- > resolver, > so far the WG has not seen any proposals to address this. > Well, running a full validator at the end does not solve the last- mile problem. Not unless we have a standardized mechanism for applications to specify their validating policies to the validating stub resolver, and not unless we have a standardized way for applications to get the results of validation from the validating stub resolver (may I now refer you to draft-hayatnagarkar-dnsext- validator-api :) ). Even without a full validator at the end, we (as a working group) have yet to decide what level of validation information and policy must be extruded on-the-wire. Whatever information we do choose to carry on-the-wire, it still needs to be consistent with the results returned by a validating stub resolver since the API will for applications has to be the same. The last time I asked informally, the answer that I got was that API work was not within the scope of this working group, and extruding detailed validation policy and authentication chain information on- the-wire, even though within scope, was a bad idea. Is this still the working groups sentiment? If draft-hayatnagarkar-dnsext-validator-api is not within scope for DNSEXT, which working group is better suited to standardize last-mile issues/solutions? Suresh -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Dillaboughfku@a-m-group.net Tue Mar 27 23:18:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWOgD-00046p-42 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:18:33 -0400 Received: from [222.220.95.68] (helo=[222.220.95.68]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWOg7-0003uS-C0 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:18:32 -0400 Received: from lenovo-2ac94c87 ([192.106.144.91]) by [222.220.95.68] with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:19:08 +0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:18:44 +0800 To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org From: "Ankur Dillabough" Subject: current PC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=====================_13225421==.REL" X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Scan-Signature: a069a8e8835d39ce36e425c148267a7b --=====================_13225421==.REL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_13225421==.ALT" --=====================_13225421==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed [] Repeat step until been deletedd write table some! 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(helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWXgu-000OJQ-P6 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:55:54 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B69211401F; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:55:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Shane_Kerr@isc.org) Received: from [199.6.1.234] (unknown [199.6.1.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102B4E6084; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:55:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shane@isc.org) Message-ID: <460A65D4.2090404@isc.org> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:55:48 +0200 From: Shane Kerr Reply-To: shane_kerr@isc.org Organization: ISC User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070304) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" CC: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Protocol Policy Publication Was: DNSEXT future References: <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD37011E1271@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD37011E1271@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > One issue that keeps coming up is the desire to publish some form of policy indication through the DNS. > > I don't think that the IETF can or should ignore this. I totally agree! I'll go further. I think this is a good example of the type of thing that the IETF has failed to provide good engineering solutions for "ideological" reasons in the past. By this I mean technologies that are compelling to engineers dealing with day-to-day problems, but don't fit well with the architecture and design philosophies of the Internet. (As an example, consider how poorly VoIP worked behind NAT before STUN was adopted.) > Anyway, since we are told that it is easy to get a new RR assigned I am going to propose the XPTR RR as a standards track proposal. It has to be STANDARD, not EXPERIMENTAL or else the DKIM working group will be unable to make use of it. Agreed - experimental is "an interesting idea, but don't use it". > The question then is should this be a proposal made to DNSEXT or a personal submission or what? 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Mar 29 11:14:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWwKh-0008PS-02; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:14:35 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HWwKf-0005mW-ME; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:14:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWwDq-0006NF-1z for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:07:30 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,INFO_TLD autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWwDg-0006MW-BW for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:07:26 +0000 Received: from mac-andrew.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.198]) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1HWwDf-0002N2-IW for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:07:19 -0400 Received: by mac-andrew.int.libertyrms.com (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 369332E2AFC; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:07:25 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future Message-ID: <20070329150724.GD29115@afilias.info> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan References: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200703270035.l2R0ZNKK072363@ogud.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Dear colleagues, On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 08:36:10PM -0400, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT = co-chair wrote: > A. keep the working group open > B. Put the group to sleep/hibernate > C. Close the working group I do not have a strong preference between B or C. In the absence of drafts that the WG is willing to take up as new work, I can't see an argument for A. If the consensus is to follow approach B, I would like to suggest a relatively short (18 months?) deadline after which, if no work has emerged to "awaken" the group, the WG be formally closed. (That would be 18 months after recharter, which gives us a practical period of something in the area of two years. That ought to be plenty of time for evaluation, I would say.) As others have suggested, there is no reason the mailing list cannot remain active in such circumstances, and to the extent it continues to attract experts in the protocol, I think it can remain a useful resource to the wider IETF community without a working group behind it. A --=20 Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 jabber: ajsaf@jabber.org +1 416 646 3304 x4110 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Mar 29 15:31:15 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HX0L5-00035j-1p; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:31:15 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HX0L0-0003U7-LA; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:31:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HX0Ea-000BMg-Jy for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:24:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,HEADER_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HX0ET-000BLw-G7 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:24:29 +0000 Received: from mail.ogud.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TJMne1001628 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:22:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from namedroppers@mail.ogud.com) Received: (from namedroppers@localhost) by mail.ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l2TJMn1Q001627 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:22:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from namedroppers) Received: from [192.139.46.42] (helo=cod.sandelman.ca) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWaVg-000Cpy-N1 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:56:34 +0000 Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (adsl203-161-144.mclink.it [213.203.161.144]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "marajade.sandelman.ca.", Issuer "Michael Richardson" (verified OK)) by cod.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CC112353; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ottawa.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E784E761; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:56:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Richardson To: David Conrad cc: Sam Weiler , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: weiler-dnssec-dlv-02 In-Reply-To: Message from David Conrad of "Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:29:30 MST." References: <31513.1174480876@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> X-Mailer: MH-E 7.82; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 19) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:56:11 +0200 Message-ID: <10507.1175097371@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb [ Moderators note: Post was moderated, either because it was posted by a non-subscriber, or because it was over 20K. With the massive amount of spam, it is easy to miss and therefore delete relevant posts by non-subscribers. Please fix your subscription addresses. ] >>>>> "David" == David Conrad writes: >> page 7 (section 9), paragraph 3: is a seperate comment from: >> Is IANA willing to comply to this request? David> Sorry, which request? 10. IANA Considerations IANA is asked to create a DLV registry targeting the root and containing DLV records for TLDs that ask to have DLV records published for their own zones. IANA is instructed to use its own best practices for authenticating TLD operators' requests to insert, modify, and delete DLV entries. This DLV registry MUST itself be signed with DNSSEC. IANA may use its own discretion to choose a suitable domain name at which to publish this registry; dlv.iana.org is suggested. To be clear, IANA is only being asked to publish DLV records for top level domains, thereby taking advantage of the IANA's existing relationships with the TLD operators and established procedures for authenticating requests from the TLD operators. DLV makes use of the DLV resource record previously assigned by IANA. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Mar 29 15:33:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HX0Mr-0004Ft-JP; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:33:05 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HX0Mq-0003bk-0V; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:33:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HX0EV-000BM5-Nf for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:24:27 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HEADER_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.1.7 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HX0E0-000BIh-7R for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:24:00 +0000 Received: from mail.ogud.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TJMJxo001621 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:22:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from namedroppers@mail.ogud.com) Received: (from namedroppers@localhost) by mail.ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l2TJMJLq001620 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:22:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from namedroppers) Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWZSF-0006h9-MA for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:48:56 +0000 Received: from mail.ogud.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SElH1K092533; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:47:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from edlewis@mail.ogud.com) Received: from localhost (edlewis@localhost) by mail.ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id l2SElGWe092530; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:47:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from edlewis@mail.ogud.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Edward Lewis Jr." To: Shane Kerr cc: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, ed.lewis@neustar.biz Subject: Violating ideological wisdom - was "something else" In-Reply-To: <460A65D4.2090404@isc.org> Message-ID: <20070328100748.R92349@mail.ogud.com> References: <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD37011E1271@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <460A65D4.2090404@isc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 825e642946eda55cd9bc654a36dab8c2 [ Moderators note: Post was moderated, either because it was posted by a non-subscriber, or because it was over 20K. With the massive amount of spam, it is easy to miss and therefore delete relevant posts by non-subscribers. Please fix your subscription addresses. ] I'm aware that I'm answering comments from two different folks here. On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Shane Kerr wrote: > Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: >> One issue that keeps coming up is the desire to publish some form of policy >>indication through the DNS. >> > I'll go further. I think this is a good example of the type of thing that > the IETF has failed to provide good engineering solutions for "ideological" > reasons in the past. By this I mean technologies that are compelling to > engineers dealing with day-to-day problems, but don't fit well with the > architecture and design philosophies of the Internet. (As an example, > consider how poorly VoIP worked behind NAT before STUN was adopted.) There are a couple of things I want to respond to in this. The IETF doesn't promise to provide anything, volunteers do this. If no one volunteers a solution to this, nothing is going to come out. I completely understand the comment that the IETF seems to stomp on technologies for ideological reasons. I can think of some rumored situations myself, mostly in areas in which I am not an expert, i.e., I bet if I knew more I'd "buy in" to the ideology. There's something in your words that I want to debate. "Technologies that are compelling to engineers dealing with day-to-day problems." One should not want a technology to deal with a problem, rather there should be a solution to the problem that uses the right technology. What I am lining up to say is that there are needs by other parts of the Internet architecture, like what Phillip Halem-Baker is requesting. And, yes, it's reasonable to expect that the functionality would be part of the naming system. But, and this is the point of contention, is that the DNS protocol as we know it today is quite possibly unable to accomodate the need. And that is why I am balking at wanting to work on this. No amount of continued justification for the problem would change the opinion of mine - not because I don't want to hear it, but because I already buy into what is desired. Really, I have no problem with the requirement. The problem is that I don't see how I can squeeze any more support for the need from the bits available in the packet format or the cycles of the algorithms already implemented and deployed. VoIP and STUN to work over NATs is a good example of being able to pull in another technology to get over a hump. Is that possible here, is there a helper technology that can be easily integrated between DKIM and DNS to get the need met? I would like there to be one, I can't think of it. Maybe it's LDAP? Calling for DNS2 isn't an acceptible response either, that would take a long time. However, we should be looking long range at some point and bring on, maybe DNSv6, to handle what DNS can't accomodate today. The point isn't ideological, it's based on technical issues - like being able to maintain backwards compatibility with deployed code and retaining the quick and lightweight nature of the protocol which is probably it's greatest asset (more so that scaling). I know that it sounds like me supporting protocol purity, but the alternative is to create a complex and amorphous mass that will take a small army of dedicated soldiers to operate. When looking forward, we can't disregard the past in a protocol like DNS. We can't say "well wildcards are evil so let's just pave over any compatibility because I don't need them." If that runs rampant, you'll wind up with tens of extensions, each for a niche segment of the network, that are potentially incompatible with each other. That's why I resist freely extending the DNS in this manner. >> Anyway, since we are told that it is easy to get a new RR assigned I >>am going to propose the XPTR RR as a standards track proposal. It has >>to be STANDARD, not EXPERIMENTAL or else the DKIM working group will >>be unable to make use of it. Where did "easy" come into play? ;) New RR type codes ought to be readily assigned to extensions that are compatible with the DNS, extensions that do not "endanger" it's stability. I do agree about the difference between experimental and standard. The rationale in DNS is that it makes somethings easier to write in name server code. The tradeoff is a burden to application code. I personally have disagreed with reserving ranges of RR type codes for special purposes, although a "permanently private" band is useful. >> The question then is should this be a proposal made to DNSEXT >> or a personal submission or what? The way the group has operated it starts as an individual submission anyway. That says nothing of whether the work fits into the charter or not. If I were to agree that this is a group item (and I'm just supposing for now) I would bet that the group would not be able to come to a successful solution. No matter how well crafted the problem statement is, I have doubts that the protocol can be extended to accomodate this. Of course, the doubts I have are not founded in fact as I haven't seen a detailed description of the proposed solution - I just have hazy doubts based on my knowledge of the DNS architecture and what the general desire of DKIM is. > Could it be a test case for the "dnsext as a group to help provide input on > other DNS drafts"? 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------=_NextPart_3F3_1E5A_BE64D3B7.C4931113-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Mar 30 01:47:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HX9xV-0000x1-PY; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:47:33 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HX9xS-0005ZM-7F; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:47:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HX9qj-0004li-Pr for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:40:33 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [64.142.19.5] (helo=b.mail.sonic.net) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HX9qh-0004lR-Aw for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:40:32 +0000 Received: from [10.2.165.149] (net-office-sjc.mail-abuse.org [168.61.0.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l2U5eSYW003116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:40:30 -0700 In-Reply-To: <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD37011E1271@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <198A730C2044DE4A96749D13E167AD37011E1271@MOU1WNEXMB04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <857B4CD3-D5A4-49FC-B3C3-2FA3EE6ED0A9@mail-abuse.org> Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Douglas Otis Subject: Re: Protocol Policy Publication Was: DNSEXT future Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:40:18 -0700 To: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 932cba6e0228cc603da43d861a7e09d8 On Mar 27, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: > One issue that keeps coming up is the desire to publish some form > of policy indication through the DNS. > > I don't think that the IETF can or should ignore this. If we do we > will end up with the situation that most of us like least and is > the reason that people tend to try to suppress such proposals - > without success. In particular we end up with: > > * Protocols that perform 'tree walking' and other forms of > heuristic policy discovery > > * DNS RRs being hijacked for other purposes (e.g. SPF use of the > unprefixed TXT record) > > * A proliferation of unregistered, untracked TXT and SRV prefixes. > > * People sticking large chunks of XML text into the DNS > infrastructure itself > > * People propose rival infrastructures (e.g. UDDI, XRI) that > attempt to superceed the DNS. > > * It is not yet happening but if we make DNS RR assignments into > the equivalent of IP port numbers we should expect to see > unauthorized and uncontrolled RR assignments becoming common. These contortions of DNS overcome impediments imposed by messaging protocols that fail to offer client identification and a corporate environment lacking provisions for DNS. What new DNS feature will allow DNS to evolve when DNS development appears stagnant within the corporate environment? PRNP and Teredo is the change being offered, for good or bad. > I don't like any of the above. But from an architecture perspective > I fully expect that in the future we will see most new protocols > specify some form of policy layer. And expect the number of > protocols to start to proliferate very quickly as Web Services / > Mashups / Semantic web take hold over the next ten years. While true, motivation appears related to messaging providers wishing to remain nameless. After being affected by various DoS attacks, one grows wary of a plan that has DNS servers synthesize large answers for a label anywhere within their bailiwick. Initiatives such as OpenID could be a cue HTTP is an appropriate repository for such extensions. > I fully expect that the number of protocols that define policy will > be of the order of hundreds a year. I don't believe that this is > compatible with the idea that each policy record should have its > own RR. If we go that route we are committing to burn several > hundred, possibly thousand RRs per year to keep up with something > that is not core to the DNS protocol. That is something that we > must also avoid. HTTP is shifted to the edge of the network by various strategies which also makes it a compelling alternative. Efficiencies found in simple messaging protocols have been countered by abuse permitted through a lack of name based identifications. It is hard to know whether an IP address normally carries messages for some named entity. When such message traffic is amassed behind address translation gateways, such will become increasingly difficult. HTTP OpenID solves client identification issues in a manner independent of the IP address. > Rather than wait for the problem to become serious I would prefer > to solve the problem now, once by anticipating it. An attempt to repair a deficient messaging protocol with DNS wildcards can produce even greater harm. Can client identification be established without scanning domain hierarchies? Yes, especially when authentication and authorization is a component of the protocol. A scheme of synthesizing a DNS answer facilitates publishing information regarding protocol repairs, but over a vast name space. Often what is often needed is a means to associating one name with another. Name associations can be done without use of wildcards. Much of the authorization quandary can be resolved by associating two disparate names. Publishing a name as a base32 hash below the authorizing name allows a large array of associations using small DNS answers. DNS supports this today without searches or use of wildcards. Rate limits offer a solution for all unauthorized messages within an adoption phase. > The solution I want to propose makes use of either one new RR or > possibly two new RRs. The objective here is to get ahead of the > curve by anticipating a very large number of needs while sticking > to the core principles of DNS. In particular: > > AXIOM1 : The DNS infrastructure is the sole authortitative > lookup scheme for DNS names > > COROLARY1 : If a protocol policy is bound to a DNS name the > mechanism for discovery of that policy must be mediated by the DNS. The relationship between names can be established as a component of the protocol without requiring a modification to DNS. > AXIOM2 : The DNS supports lightweight queries and responses > > COROLARY2 : If the policy does not fit onto a few lines of text > the DNS should return a pointer (i.e. URI) to the results. Cue HTTP. > COROLARY3 : If the form of the query requires any parameters other > than a DNS name the DNS result must be a pointer to a service that > can handle the extended query (e.g. SIP, LDAP, etc.) It would be better to have this pushed to the edge of the network when possible. There is a fair amount of infrastructure in place to do this with HTTP as well. > AXIOM3 : Adding a new protocol to the Internet should not > require any change to the core Internet infrastructure, including > the DNS, nor should this require consumption of any finite resource > (IP ports, DNS RRs). It would be better to design authorization and authentication within the protocol initially, rather than adding these feature later. You describe a mechanism to publish SPF record sets across a vast name space. Whatever problem you see this as resolving creates a hazard many orders of magnitude worse. You are in a good position to know controlling a domain or even millions of domains means very little. When a domain wishes to be white listed, they will ensure all the pieces needed in this new puzzle are in the right place. Much is still possible by defining new RRs without changing how they operate. Security demands simplicity. -Doug -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From capable@pbles.com Fri Mar 30 10:34:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXIBF-0005Hr-D0 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:34:17 -0400 Received: from [212.34.237.1] (helo=[212.34.237.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXIBD-0004yB-BR for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:34:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c772d8$7b7c6200$01ed22d4@capo> From: "does" To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Cross Mombasa Kenya Results Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:34:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C772E9.3F02C100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 789c141a303c09204b537a4078e2a63f ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C772E9.3F02C100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0009_01C772E9.3F02C100" ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C772E9.3F02C100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ideas llcusers bound disclaimer agree. 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X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7 Received: from [130.105.36.66] (helo=cirrus.av8.net) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HXJzm-000AzI-HD for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:30:39 +0000 Received: from [130.105.12.10] ([130.105.12.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by cirrus.av8.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2UGUOXp023001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:30:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:30:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Dean Anderson X-X-Sender: dean@citation2.av8.net To: Paul Vixie cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DNSEXT future In-Reply-To: <86972.1175009046@sa.vix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Paul Vixie wrote: > there is no authority now living who can close this list, only choose > whether to stop hosting it, and i do not expect "ops.ietf.org" to stop > hosting this list. This is not true. The namedroppers mailing list is now under control of the IETF Trust. Any one of the IETF Trust trustees can, unilaterally, close the namedroppers list. Or give it away. A Trustee of a Trust is allowed to act unilaterally with trust assets. The IETF Trust Agreement also explicitly states that the IETF Trust trustees are exempt from any fiduciary duties to the maximum extent permitted by law. This means they can do things that are financially disastous to the IETF Trust Assets, and not in the interests of the ISOC or the IETF Trust. This is a recipe for exploitation and disaster. There is no legitimate business purpose to the IETF Trust, much less with no fiduciary responsibilities, and so I assert it is a fraudulent transaction to avoid financial responsiblity for torts accrued by the ISOC and IETF management since 2003. I am preparing a derivative lawsuit on behalf the ISOC membership to have the trust declared invalid, and will be seeking additional signers from the ISOC membership soon. Look to http://www.av8.net/IETF-watch/IETF-Trust.html for more information. > on the other hand, dns-operations@lists.oarci.net has been a success, more so > than the various other (closed, invitation only) lists hosted by OARC. keith > would certainly create dns-protocol@lists.oarci.net if someone asked him to. How does one judge that a closed, proprietary list has been a success? The ordinary measure of proprietary success is the financial benefits it brings to the proprietor. --Dean -- Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service 617 344 9000 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From cmjwebxubib@utequip.com Fri Mar 30 13:21:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXKnB-0005FZ-U2; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:21:38 -0400 Received: from [221.222.125.151] (helo=utequip.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXKmt-0002Eg-NK; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:21:36 -0400 Message-ID: <197001c77343$6f2c3640$b0f057c8@cmjwebxubib> From: "Beula" To: "Gigi" Cc: "Angelia" , "Zola Nguyen" , "Felicitas Peterson" , "Seema Warren" , "Mia" , "Marcie" , "Long Alexander" , "Shelia Moore" Subject: Is this it Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 03:19:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_9FF_2F63_166154A0.C5DAC2D9" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Scan-Signature: e274a7d5658fb8b0d6fbc93f042d014b This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_9FF_2F63_166154A0.C5DAC2D9 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_9D0_8B26_14C0FBFA.2064669B" ------=_NextPart_9D0_8B26_14C0FBFA.2064669B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "So he has; fed statement but I bit like employ mine as well." hook "= I warn determined you, flower pocket Master Caderousse, that you are mist= a loss hunt cloth The repast was magnificent; too Monte Cristo had end= eaamusement "Well, well, bent don't thrust be angry, my boy; dorsal you k= now well "That is reasonable, since sow cinerary he day upset is an only son." 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(helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXixW-0001OF-AE for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:09:54 -0400 Received: from [84.204.102.15] (helo=companyc755d59) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HXixL-0002ad-85 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:09:54 -0400 To: "helga hermione" Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 23:12:37 +0400 From: "maire maximilianus" Sender: "maire maximilianus" Subject: Robbie MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <113d301c773c8$8bbf9330$0418fe0a@companyc755d59> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_11034_01C773E9.FD8BA4B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 142a000676f5977e1797396caab8b611 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_11034_01C773E9.FD8BA4B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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Astonished that you have returned to go
Beyond ice floe and berg and ice-bound sea,
Yes. You'd want that said, (if you
VIII. Russia: The Great Northern Expedition
Preface to the 1948 Edition
By what it seems to have moved toward. In any
Side of the painting, the world of that wise, white,
Winds blow sharp, what then?
to matter, for the flushed boys are muscular
marked with a dark stroke from the left, encroached
and turn it into something cartoon-funny.
whose soft bristles graze the top-racks.
Dreaming time has reversed, I watch drowned snow
Before those virile women!
Pallid waste where no radiant fathomers,
and preening, dancing on the basepaths,
And the worlds—skiffs rudderless, rolling on—
Want anything said at all, which I still doubt)
The flakes which have stolen onto the flagstones
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