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------=_NextPart_000_A26E_01C7D889.C0E2D9C0-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Aug 07 05:27:57 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IILM5-0003E4-6C; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:27:57 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IILM4-0001nf-Qw; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 05:27:57 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IILBt-0004UL-KO for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:17:25 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Received: from [213.154.224.1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IILBi-0004TM-8q for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:17:20 +0000 Received: from [213.154.224.9] (mirre.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.9]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l779H66S079085 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:17:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jelte@NLnetLabs.nl) Message-ID: <46B83894.3070006@NLnetLabs.nl> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:17:08 +0200 From: Jelte Jansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.12) Gecko/20070604 Thunderbird/1.5.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: DS RR presentation format algorithm field X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.4.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2F4439ADEB4BA30D256966D0" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2F4439ADEB4BA30D256966D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, there seems to be a slight interoperability (through text representation of zone data) problem between different implementations of DNSSECbis. I think the problem is caused by a section from RFC3568: 2.5. Presentation Format of the DS Record The presentation format of the DS record consists of three numbers (key tag, algorithm, and digest type) followed by the digest itself presented in hex: However, RFC4034, which obsoletes 3568, states that: 5.3. The DS RR Presentation Format The Algorithm field MUST be represented either as an unsigned decimal integer or as an algorithm mnemonic specified in Appendix A.1. Today, again, i had someone complain to me about a piece of software from my hand outputting the mnemonic instead of the algorithm id. For the sake of interoperability, and because using an id instead of a mnemonic is considered better by some, i don't really mind updating it. But that would not fix the deeper problem of having two different specifications, even though one has been obsoleted. Might it still be possible to change it to MUST be represented by the id (and NOT the mnemonic)? Perhaps through dnssec-bis-updates (in which, by the way, we are still merrily singing our way through security data in section 2.1. nice.)? It could also 'clarify' the text in 4034, but imho it can't be much clearer than it already is... 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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7D908.C146D900-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Aug 07 09:43:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIPLI-0005go-E2; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:43:24 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIPLH-0001u7-5r; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:43:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IIPDN-0003lo-95 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:35:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Received: from [157.185.61.2] (helo=M4.sparta.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IIPDC-0003jM-9U for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:35:07 +0000 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l77DYuOi025040; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:34:57 -0500 Received: from nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com (nemo.columbia.sparta.com [157.185.80.75]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l77DYvGW014628; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:34:57 -0500 Received: from localhost ([157.185.80.253]) by nemo.columbia.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:34:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:34:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Weiler X-X-Sender: weiler@mint.samweiler.com To: Jelte Jansen cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: DS RR presentation format algorithm field In-Reply-To: <46B83894.3070006@NLnetLabs.nl> Message-ID: References: <46B83894.3070006@NLnetLabs.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2007 13:34:56.0948 (UTC) FILETIME=[BE97A740:01C7D8F7] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:34:57 -0500 (CDT) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f On Tue, 7 Aug 2007, Jelte Jansen wrote: > there seems to be a slight interoperability (through text representation > of zone data) problem between different implementations of DNSSECbis. Purely as a historical note, I suggest reading the thread from January 2004 with Subject line "TMM (too many mnemonics)". Summary: that change, while perhaps originally unintended, was separately called out to the WG. -- Sam -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Aug 07 10:37:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIPw4-00025x-Uf; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:21:25 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIPw3-0004Fj-JM; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:21:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IIPqF-00084C-Kv for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:15:23 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.8 Received: from [156.154.16.158] (helo=ns0.neustar.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IIPpw-00080Z-OF for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:15:10 +0000 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns0.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03047328D1; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:15:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IIPpu-0003yG-Ss; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:15:02 -0400 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt Message-Id: Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 10:15:02 -0400 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf3becbbd6d1a45acbe2ffd4ab88bdc2 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DNS Extensions Working Group of the IETF. Title : Measures for making DNS more resilient against forged answers Author(s) : R. van Mook, B. Hubert Filename : draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt Pages : 22 Date : 2007-8-7 The current internet climate poses serious threats to the Domain Name System. In the interim period before the DNS protocol can be secured more fully, measures can already be taken to make 'spoofing' a recursing nameserver many orders of magnitude harder. Even a cryptographically secured DNS benefits from having the ability to discard bogus answers quickly, as this potentially saves large amounts of computation. By describing certain behaviour that has previously not been standardised, this document sets out how to make the DNS more resilient against accepting incorrect answers. This document updates RFC1034. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt". 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Additionally, the wiki is also the place to file defects - which we will also gladly discuss or consider reported on this list. The wiki & issue tracker are on: http://adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/resilience.fcgi/wiki/ Thanks! On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:15:02AM -0400, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the DNS Extensions Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Measures for making DNS more resilient against forged answers > Author(s) : R. van Mook, B. Hubert > Filename : draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt > Pages : 22 > Date : 2007-8-7 > > The current internet climate poses serious threats to the Domain Name > System. In the interim period before the DNS protocol can be secured > more fully, measures can already be taken to make 'spoofing' a > recursing nameserver many orders of magnitude harder. > > Even a cryptographically secured DNS benefits from having the ability > to discard bogus answers quickly, as this potentially saves large > amounts of computation. > > By describing certain behaviour that has previously not been > standardised, this document sets out how to make the DNS more > resilient against accepting incorrect answers. This document updates > RFC1034. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > the message. > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > > > !DSPAM:46b88344184348139311174! -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Derrowhbse@quedgeleychurch.org.uk Tue Aug 07 17:41:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIWo7-0005YB-6z for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:41:39 -0400 Received: from [80.250.18.35] (helo=[80.250.18.35]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IIWo4-00044Y-0H for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:41:39 -0400 Received: from [120.116.178.137] (port=16756 helo=[120.116.178.137]) by [80.250.18.35] with esmtp id 1EjHfu-000STX-72 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 23:41:48 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c7d93b$bc3423e0$2312fa50@SAAZ> From: "Malte Derrow" To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Income_report Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 23:41:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7D94C.7FBCF3E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 93e7fb8fef2e780414389440f367c879 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7D94C.7FBCF3E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000D_01C7D94C.7FBCF3E0" ------=_NextPart_001_000D_01C7D94C.7FBCF3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_001_000D_01C7D94C.7FBCF3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IJYoi-000Kwa-7i for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:02:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Received: from [129.6.16.226] (helo=smtp.nist.gov) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IJYoW-000Kqa-It for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 18:02:26 +0000 Received: from [129.6.140.98] (98-140.antd.nist.gov [129.6.140.98]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7AI2CHV018102 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: <46BCA824.7030004@nist.gov> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:02:12 -0400 From: Scott Rose Organization: NIST User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: DNAME and the Understand-DNAME bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: scottr@nist.gov Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 DNAME and the Understand-DNAME flag bit In an effort to have a flag for clients to signal DNAME understanding, we propose to add a flag to the extended flags field in the OPT RR: (From the new draft): The UD bit is part of the EDNS extended RCODE and Flags field. It is used to omit server processing, transmission and resolver processing the unsigned synthesized CNAMEs when DNSSEC validation is performed. Resolvers can set this in a query to request omission of the synthesized CNAMEs. Servers copy the UD bit to the response, and can omit synthesized CNAMEs from the answer. Older resolvers do not set the UD bit, and older servers do not copy the UD bit to the answer, and will not omit synthesized CNAMEs. +0 (MSB) +1 (LSB) +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ 0: | EXTENDED-RCODE | VERSION | +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ 2: |DO|UD| Z | +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ Servers MUST be able to answer a query for a synthesized CNAME. An answer containing the synthesized CNAME cannot contain an error (since a CNAME has been followed), as per RFC 1034 CNAME rules. 3.3. Acceptance and Intermediate Storage DNS Caches MUST NOT allow data to be cached below the owner of a DNAME RR, except CNAME records or perhaps NSEC3 records and their signatures. CNAME records below the owner of a DNAME MUST be re-synthesized from the DNAME, or checked against the DNAME record before sending them out. This improves consistency of the DNAME and CNAME records below the owner of the DNAME. DNS Caches MUST perform CNAME synthesis on behalf of DNAME- ignorant clients. A DNS Cache that understands DNAMEs can send out queries on behalf of clients with the UD bit set. After receiving the answers the DNS Cache sends replies to DNAME ignorant clients that include DNAMEs and synthesized CNAMEs. So a client that implements EDNS0 can signal DNSSEC understanding, DNAME understanding, both, and neither. This will have an impact on caches that understand DNAME and wish to set the UD, but get queries from clients that may not understand DNAME and need synthesized CNAME RRs in responses. A recursive cache could send iterative queries with the UD bit set, and synthesize CNAME RRs to be placed in responses for clients that do not set the UD bit (or don't implement EDNS0). Please read the draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2672bis-04.txt when it is announced and comment. DNAME editors Wouter and Scott -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Pruddensuzx@paljudo.com Fri Aug 10 15:28:09 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJa9Z-0000WO-L1 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:28:09 -0400 Received: from [63.82.121.231] (helo=[63.82.121.231]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IJa9Y-0003rl-Pn for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:28:09 -0400 Received: from reception ([117.172.111.16]) by [63.82.121.231] with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:27:54 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:27:30 -0500 To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org From: "Prudden" Subject: Cash_flow-dnsext-archive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 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autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [81.91.161.3] (helo=smtp.denic.de) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKKMQ-000KDf-QC for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:48:36 +0000 Received: from mail-int1.denic.de (mail-int1.denic.de [192.168.0.45]) by smtp.denic.de with esmtp id 1IKKMN-00061I-L1; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:48:28 +0200 Received: from localhost by mail-int1.denic.de with local id 1IKKMN-0002Hf-00; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:48:27 +0200 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:48:27 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: DNAME and the Understand-DNAME bit Message-ID: <20070812204827.GA1228@denics7.denic.de> References: <46BCA824.7030004@nist.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46BCA824.7030004@nist.gov> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 02:02:12PM -0400, Scott Rose wrote: > The UD bit is part of the EDNS extended RCODE and Flags > field. It is used to omit server processing, transmission > and resolver processing the unsigned synthesized CNAMEs > when DNSSEC validation is performed. Resolvers can set > this in a query to request omission of the synthesized sounds like an idea. Maybe a bit more guidance by normative language could help, i.e. MAY or SHOULD instead of "can". Probably it's a SHOULD here. > CNAMEs. Servers copy the UD bit to the response, and can > omit synthesized CNAMEs from the answer. Older resolvers > do not set the UD bit, and older servers do not copy the > UD bit to the answer, and will not omit synthesized CNAMEs. So, is this copy action just to avoid any doubt or should the resolver actually try to remember or otherwise use this information? > CNAME. An answer containing the synthesized CNAME cannot > contain an error (since a CNAME has been followed), as > per RFC 1034 CNAME rules. Not sure I understand this. Are you saying there's only NOERROR possible as an RCODE with a synthesized CNAME RR? What if the server is also authoritative for the target and knows that, e.g., the name doesn't exist? > DNS Caches MUST perform CNAME synthesis on behalf of DNAME- > ignorant clients. A DNS Cache that understands DNAMEs can again: "can" -> SHOULD? > send out queries on behalf of clients with the UD bit set. > After receiving the answers the DNS Cache sends replies to > DNAME ignorant clients that include DNAMEs and synthesized > CNAMEs. Aren't the clients more "UD agnostic" than "DNAME ignorant"? There are a couple of resolvers out there today which will understand DNAME but don't and can't (yet) use the signalling mechanism. Sending the DNAME back anyway is backwards compatible, but I've always wondered why a resolver would accept this even if it did not understand the RR type and although it came after the synthesized CNAME RR. -Peter -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Francoiscarlsson@pixelmedia.fi Sun Aug 12 20:47:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKO5b-00014W-PE for dnsext-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:47:23 -0400 Received: from [88.253.70.159] (helo=[88.253.70.159]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKO58-0002VA-8N for dnsext-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:47:23 -0400 Received: from [135.114.134.90] by [88.253.70.159] with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:47:00 +0300 Message-ID: <000801c7dbb1$15519170$9f46fd58@murat> From: "Francois carlsson" To: dnsext-archive@ietf.org Subject: Ameritrade Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 03:46:41 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7DBCA.3A9EC970" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 10dcc25e55b9b5f7d6ded516404bdc4c ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7DBCA.3A9EC970 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0005_01C7DBCA.3A9EC970" ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C7DBCA.3A9EC970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C7DBCA.3A9EC970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:26:13 -0400 To: Rob Austein , IETF DNSEXT WG From: Olafur Gudmundsson Subject: Re: DNAME and the Understand-DNAME bit In-Reply-To: <20070810233055.A4E6222828@thrintun.hactrn.net> References: <46BCA824.7030004@nist.gov> <20070810233055.A4E6222828@thrintun.hactrn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 10.20.30.6 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 At 19:30 10/08/2007, Rob Austein wrote: >At Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:02:12 -0400, Scott Rose wrote: > > > > So a client that implements EDNS0 can signal DNSSEC > > understanding, DNAME understanding, both, and neither. > >DNSSECbis explictly required that DNSSEC-aware software also be >DNAME-aware, so would be a protocol violation. Strictly speaking that is an old implementation that does not know about UD bit. Here are the four different states DO = 0 UD = 0 Understand ENDS0, but not DNSSEC or DNAME DO = 0 UD = 1 Understand ENDS0, process DNAME but do not deal with DNSSEC DO = 1 UD = 1 Understand ENDS0, DNAME and DNSSEC (modern implementation) DO = 1 UD = 0 Same as above the one above but implemented before rfc2672bis publication Olafur -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From cecilMyrice@cchospital.com Mon Aug 13 01:38:24 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKSdE-0003c3-6H for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:38:24 -0400 Received: from [202.144.177.205] (helo=[202.144.177.205]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKSdC-0002iX-Q1 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:38:24 -0400 Received: from manumea (HELO manumea) (dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org@184.153.108.38) by [202.144.177.205] with SMTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:38:33 +1000 Message-ID: <000601c7dd6c$2a0510d0$cdb190ca@manumea> From: "cecil Myrice" To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: bill-dnsext-archive Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:38:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C7DDBF.FBB120D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 841b5d6ad57042632519d2198f34cc8d ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C7DDBF.FBB120D0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0003_01C7DDBF.FBB120D0" ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C7DDBF.FBB120D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C7DDBF.FBB120D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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with ESMTP id l7D7gfi8069610; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:42:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wouter@nlnetlabs.nl) Message-ID: <46C00B71.3060509@nlnetlabs.nl> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:42:41 +0200 From: Wouter Wijngaards User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (X11/20070719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Koch CC: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: DNAME and the Understand-DNAME bit References: <46BCA824.7030004@nist.gov> <20070812204827.GA1228@denics7.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20070812204827.GA1228@denics7.denic.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter Koch wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 02:02:12PM -0400, Scott Rose wrote: >> CNAMEs. Servers copy the UD bit to the response, and can >> omit synthesized CNAMEs from the answer. Older resolvers >> do not set the UD bit, and older servers do not copy the >> UD bit to the answer, and will not omit synthesized CNAMEs. > > So, is this copy action just to avoid any doubt or should the resolver > actually try to remember or otherwise use this information? To avoid doubt in the reply (like existed for the DO bit). >> CNAME. An answer containing the synthesized CNAME cannot >> contain an error (since a CNAME has been followed), as >> per RFC 1034 CNAME rules. > > Not sure I understand this. Are you saying there's only NOERROR possible > as an RCODE with a synthesized CNAME RR? What if the server is also authoritative > for the target and knows that, e.g., the name doesn't exist? Many non-answer rcodes are possible (servfail, refused, ...), however when you include the CNAME as (part of) an answer, even if the server is also authoritative for the target and the name does not exist, the RCODE stays NOERROR. This is per CNAME spec, rfc 1034. This is also true for synthesized CNAMEs. >> send out queries on behalf of clients with the UD bit set. >> After receiving the answers the DNS Cache sends replies to >> DNAME ignorant clients that include DNAMEs and synthesized >> CNAMEs. > > Aren't the clients more "UD agnostic" than "DNAME ignorant"? There are a couple > of resolvers out there today which will understand DNAME but don't and can't > (yet) use the signalling mechanism. That may be better wording. Best regards, Wouter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGwAtxkDLqNwOhpPgRAk8lAJ9EYab46uAbj3iRAVwA/6GNnJrb+ACeKTz+ JdMQDbztOpO4s1LWBGkAK84= =v9g3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 06:27:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKX9J-0004YV-SZ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:27:49 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKX9I-0000nf-Li; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:27:49 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKX2T-000Jz0-S6 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:20:45 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [204.152.184.167] (helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKX2J-000JxQ-6r for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:20:40 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D2211401F for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:20:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Shane_Kerr@isc.org) Received: from [199.6.1.234] (unknown [199.6.1.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1673CE6022 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:20:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shane@isc.org) Message-ID: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:20:32 +0200 From: Shane Kerr Reply-To: shane_kerr@isc.org Organization: ISC User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070806) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the DNS Extensions Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Measures for making DNS more resilient against forged answers > Author(s) : R. van Mook, B. Hubert Hello, Regarding the "Countermeasures" section: Implementations SHOULD NOT use UDP source ports <1024 for sending queries Why? I mean, firewalls often block these, but any special reason other than that? Implementations MUST use an as large as possible pool of UDP source ports for sending queries Perhaps SHOULD? Because this basically means that implementations have to use 1024 to 65535 doesn't it? - -- Shane -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGwDBrMsfZxBO4kbQRAsrqAJ9RPPFtGMrperpT1qUjsLH8kIhHXgCgyTuQ 3IByhDJh/z09q/ZLkdMFaG4= =AbSL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 07:06:53 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKXl7-0005ov-Ei; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:06:53 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKXl6-0001fL-48; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:06:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKXey-000PbY-J3 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:00:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [217.147.82.63] (helo=shed.alex.org.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKXen-000PYy-Ir for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:00:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.100.25] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shed.alex.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DAEC2DFF; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:00:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:59:59 +0100 From: Alex Bligh Reply-To: Alex Bligh To: shane_kerr@isc.org, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org cc: Alex Bligh Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.4 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a --On 13 August 2007 12:20 +0200 Shane Kerr wrote: > Regarding the "Countermeasures" section: > > Implementations SHOULD NOT use UDP source ports <1024 for sending > queries > > Why? I mean, firewalls often block these, but any special reason other > than that? > > Implementations MUST use an as large as possible pool of UDP source > ports for sending queries > > Perhaps SHOULD? Because this basically means that implementations have to > use 1024 to 65535 doesn't it? Actually the two requirements conflict. It is *possible* to use ports below 1024. I believe the latter requirement should (in addition to being subject to the first requirement) be a "SHOULD", else a device that for good reason (e.g. broken middleboxen) avoids a single UDP port above 1024 (e.g. say 5060) becomes in technical breach. Alex -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 07:43:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKYKQ-0006N2-7u; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:43:22 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKYKP-0002Mz-0L; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:43:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKYEA-00045k-1S for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:36:54 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [82.93.240.211] (helo=adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKYDy-00044S-Mt for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:36:48 +0000 Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl ([213.244.168.210] ident=postfix) by adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IKXky-0003Gr-7V for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:06:44 +0200 Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E6B494038; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:06:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:06:43 +0200 From: bert hubert To: Shane Kerr Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt Message-ID: <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 12:20:32PM +0200, Shane Kerr wrote: > Regarding the "Countermeasures" section: > > Implementations SHOULD NOT use UDP source ports <1024 for sending > queries > > Why? I mean, firewalls often block these, but any special reason other than that? No, I think Peter Koch suggested it for this reason. No other special reason, we just wanted to include the things suggested over at IETF 68. > Implementations MUST use an as large as possible pool of UDP source > ports for sending queries > > Perhaps SHOULD? Because this basically means that implementations have to use > 1024 to 65535 doesn't it? This is basically a knob you can turn. If you turn it to '1 source port', you get the current situation as with BIND and Nominum CNS, Windows DNS etc. If you turn it to 64511 you get DJBDNS or PowerDNS, and the highest possible protection against spoofing. Paul has an implementation that has the knob set to 16. Our feelings are that the draft should strongly state that all available ports should be used, but we also understand not every OS and platform can meet this requirement. Hence 'as large as *possible*'. So you can get out of it if your platform does not support it. It is expected that this 'MUST' or 'SHOULD' will be something that needs further discussion here. Bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 08:15:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKYpj-0006ns-2c; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:15:43 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKYph-00036V-S2; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:15:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKYk4-0008IX-AY for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:09:52 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [213.154.224.1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKYjt-0008HK-8x for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:09:46 +0000 Received: from [213.154.224.9] (mirre.nlnetlabs.nl [213.154.224.9]) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7DC9ZOX033575; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:09:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jelte@NLnetLabs.nl) Message-ID: <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:09:56 +0200 From: Jelte Jansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.12) Gecko/20070604 Thunderbird/1.5.0.12 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bert hubert CC: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> In-Reply-To: <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.4.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig997A9E3AAA59BD5463E3364D" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig997A9E3AAA59BD5463E3364D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bert hubert wrote: > > Our feelings are that the draft should strongly state that all availabl= e > ports should be used, but we also understand not every OS and platform = can > meet this requirement. >=20 > Hence 'as large as *possible*'. So you can get out of it if your platfo= rm > does not support it. >=20 > It is expected that this 'MUST' or 'SHOULD' will be something that need= s > further discussion here. >=20 It think MUST and 'as large as possible' don't combine very well; together they still leave it open for the implementor or deployer. In theory you could have a design or setup so that that 'as large as possible' amounts to exactly 1... In such cases the MUST devaluates to SHOULD anyway. While i strongly support using as large a pool as possible, i think this should be a SHOUL= D. I think i wouldn't even mind 'should' by the way; the explanation as to why seems much more important. Jelte --------------enig997A9E3AAA59BD5463E3364D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGwEoU4nZCKsdOncURAsWmAJ4hbL0GUOWqSdxeXvULlTc5EVNeTwCdFsn5 xt+BK7mpbALRuf4pIhBIoKw= =jQif -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig997A9E3AAA59BD5463E3364D-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 08:59:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKZVo-0005Yo-0A; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:59:12 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKZVm-0004BM-Ph; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:59:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKZPv-000E88-5S for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:53:07 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [204.74.78.36] (helo=larry.centergate.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKZPk-000E64-9f for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:53:01 +0000 Received: from dsl017-022-071.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by larry.centergate.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id l7DCqs6E026324 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:52:55 -0700 Message-Id: <200708131252.l7DCqs6E026324@larry.centergate.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:52:54 -0500 From: John Kristoff To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt In-Reply-To: <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.2 (GTK+ 2.8.12; i386-apple-darwin8.5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:06:43 +0200 bert hubert wrote: > > Why? I mean, firewalls often block these, but any special reason other than that? > > No, I think Peter Koch suggested it for this reason. No other special > reason, we just wanted to include the things suggested over at IETF 68. As a practical matter, there are common configurations (more so than as an implementation pecularity it seems to me) that send queries with source ports < 1024. Many sites in fact statically lock in source port 53 often precisely for the same sort of reason, to get around firewalls as unwise as that may be. In addition, based on what I've seen, NATs seem to sometimes map the "internally" used source port to something less than 1024 on the outside. Although this seems to be relatively uncommon, it does appear to happen on occasion. Perhaps the wording should be altered slightly to reflect that it is a recommendation for more than just resolver implementations? John -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 09:08:06 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKZeQ-0002hw-A5; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:08:06 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKZeP-0004Om-2W; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:08:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKZaG-000FdI-9g for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:03:48 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [82.93.240.211] (helo=adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKZa5-000Fbl-3R for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:03:42 +0000 Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl ([213.244.168.210] ident=postfix) by adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IKZa2-0004IP-5w for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:03:34 +0200 Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E5B5640B2; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:03:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:03:33 +0200 From: bert hubert To: Jelte Jansen Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt Message-ID: <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 02:09:56PM +0200, Jelte Jansen wrote: > In theory you could have a design or setup so that that 'as large as > possible' amounts to exactly 1... (...) > I think i wouldn't even mind 'should' by the way; the explanation as to > why seems much more important. The aim is to get the wording such that anybody still using 1 port will feel bad. There are already lots of RFCs that explain things, it would be nice to have one with (small) teeth. That doesn't mean we must end up with MUST, but it would be very good to have something we can throw at people - until something comes along that truly fixes the issue (like perhaps DNSSEC). Bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 10:03:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKaWI-0000v9-Nh; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:03:46 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKaWH-0005rc-FS; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:03:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKaPn-000MuD-PU for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:57:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [157.185.61.2] (helo=M4.sparta.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKaPd-000MrN-3k for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:56:58 +0000 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l7DDufLQ000637; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:56:41 -0500 Received: from garak.ads.sparta.com (garak.sparta.com [157.185.63.81]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DDufB1032331; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:56:41 -0500 Received: from mailbin2.ads.sparta.com ([157.185.85.6]) by garak.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:56:41 -0500 Received: from spx.vb.futz.org ([216.27.162.138]) by mailbin2.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:59:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:56:32 -0400 From: Robert Story To: bert hubert Cc: Jelte Jansen , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt Message-ID: <20070813095632.426b0656@spx.vb.futz.org> In-Reply-To: <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> Organization: SPARTA X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; powerpc-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_WvFiL6hUNIVSnzzpU02.psL; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2007 13:59:52.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[383CE2E0:01C7DDB2] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:56:41 -0500 (CDT) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b --Sig_WvFiL6hUNIVSnzzpU02.psL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:03:33 +0200 bert wrote: BH> The aim is to get the wording such that anybody still using 1 port will= feel BH> bad. BH>=20 BH> There are already lots of RFCs that explain things, it would be nice to= have BH> one with (small) teeth. The only way to give it some teeth is to put in real numbers. Given that many OSes have limits on the number of open file descriptors, I'd say somewhere between 128-256 would be a good starting place for a MUST. --=20 Robert Story SPARTA --Sig_WvFiL6hUNIVSnzzpU02.psL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGwGMQ7/fVLLY1mngRAuIBAJ0UOeoaouJT/2Flcbgj1REDstEYHQCfd4c8 iQZ6qpKB2EO4++A+t1lpQoQ= =oEPV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_WvFiL6hUNIVSnzzpU02.psL-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 10:32:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKayU-0005Te-0f; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:32:54 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKayS-0006jM-L7; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:32:53 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKatO-0000kv-0W for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:27:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [204.152.184.167] (helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKatD-0000jt-7P for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:27:32 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9E0114021 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark_Andrews@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost.isc.org [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633B5E6009 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7DER3e3099376; Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:27:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200708131427.l7DER3e3099376@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Robert Story Cc: bert hubert , Jelte Jansen , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:56:32 -0400." <20070813095632.426b0656@spx.vb.futz.org> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:27:03 +1000 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 > --Sig_WvFiL6hUNIVSnzzpU02.psL > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:03:33 +0200 bert wrote: > BH> The aim is to get the wording such that anybody still using 1 port will= > feel > BH> bad. > BH>=20 > BH> There are already lots of RFCs that explain things, it would be nice to= > have > BH> one with (small) teeth. > > The only way to give it some teeth is to put in real numbers. Given > that many OSes have limits on the number of open file descriptors, I'd > say somewhere between 128-256 would be a good starting place for a > MUST. Let's not specify a number. Given the limitations of OS's and the number of interfaces it hard sometimes to get even 1 spare descriptor. > --=20 > Robert Story > SPARTA > > --Sig_WvFiL6hUNIVSnzzpU02.psL > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFGwGMQ7/fVLLY1mngRAuIBAJ0UOeoaouJT/2Flcbgj1REDstEYHQCfd4c8 > iQZ6qpKB2EO4++A+t1lpQoQ= > =oEPV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --Sig_WvFiL6hUNIVSnzzpU02.psL-- > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 10:47:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKbCD-000068-8c; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:47:05 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKbCC-00079R-1c; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:47:05 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKb85-0002Qa-Q8 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:42:49 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [81.91.161.3] (helo=smtp.denic.de) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKb7r-0002P8-Rr for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:42:44 +0000 Received: from mail-int1.denic.de (mail-int1.denic.de [192.168.0.45]) by smtp.denic.de with esmtp id 1IKb7p-0001M7-ND; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:42:33 +0200 Received: from localhost by mail-int1.denic.de with local id 1IKb7p-0001Yp-00; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:42:33 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:42:33 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt Message-ID: <20070813144233.GA28868@denics7.denic.de> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 01:06:43PM +0200, bert hubert wrote: > > Why? I mean, firewalls often block these, but any special reason other than that? > > No, I think Peter Koch suggested it for this reason. No other special this was one of the operational issues I had (review of -01 still pending). There are still many people out there with stateless packet filters and recommending a default behaviour should take into account the consequences for the operator. > If you turn it to 64511 you get DJBDNS or PowerDNS, and the highest > possible protection against spoofing. Yes, but at what cost and operational complexity? Many sites completely block UDP ports 2049, 135-139 and others at their perimeter. "Chargen" is a very nice source port for DNS queries as well, so there's a lot to avoid. A name server that is just "as open as possible" may not see the responses to some of the queries it sends. 1024 is not magic, but it's often enough the threshold value chosen for inbound packets. Also, a couple of years ago CAIDA, I think, did some research on source port distribution. We've done some stats on our AS112 system and see similar results (see also John K's posting): 53 is the only "low" port with noteworthy use with huge numbers strating at 1024 and again at 32768. Even though it would cut the space to 25%, recommending ports in the "dynamic" port range (49152-65535), might be a better approach. -Peter -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 11:07:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKbWI-0005Iw-FG; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:07:50 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKbWH-0007mv-8X; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:07:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKbQ3-0004tp-AA for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:01:23 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [83.246.72.252] (helo=gurgel.gson.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKbPo-0004rs-65 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:01:17 +0000 Received: from guava.gson.org (a91-152-94-125.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.152.94.125]) by gurgel.gson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF307C8DE; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by guava.gson.org (Postfix, from userid 101) id 2352675EF2; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:01:06 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18112.29234.95785.358726@guava.gson.org> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:01:06 +0300 To: bert hubert Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt In-Reply-To: <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 From: gson@araneus.fi (Andreas Gustafsson Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d bert hubert wrote: > > Implementations MUST use an as large as possible pool of UDP source > > ports for sending queries > > > > Perhaps SHOULD? Because this basically means that implementations have to use > > 1024 to 65535 doesn't it? > > This is basically a knob you can turn. If you turn it to '1 source port', > you get the current situation as with BIND and Nominum CNS, Windows DNS etc. That's not what the draft actually says. If you "MUST use an as large as possible pool of source ports", turning the knob to anything other than the maximum would violate the MUST. Let me once again voice my strong objection to this requirement. For one thing, it means that on any host running a DNS resolver, it would be impossible to later add any other UDP-based services, because all the UDP ports would already be taken. The ability to provide multiple services on a single host is one of the fundamental properties of the IP protocol suite that make it useful. Even saying that a single protocol MAY or SHOULD monopolize all UDP ports would be antisocial towards other protocols; saying that it MUST do so is just ridiculous. -- Andreas Gustafsson, gson@araneus.fi -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 11:08:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKbWh-0005LM-S1; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:08:16 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKbWg-0007nP-Km; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:08:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKbRq-00059F-BU for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:03:14 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKbRf-00058H-LX for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:03:08 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1A711431; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:03:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: bert hubert cc: Shane Kerr , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:06:43 +0200." <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.2; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:03:03 +0000 Message-ID: <91818.1187017383@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 > Paul has an implementation that has the knob set to 16. > > Our feelings are that the draft should strongly state that all available > ports should be used, but we also understand not every OS and platform can > meet this requirement. > > Hence 'as large as *possible*'. So you can get out of it if your platform > does not support it. > > It is expected that this 'MUST' or 'SHOULD' will be something that needs > further discussion here. "possible" is still the wrong word. i may have other UDP apps using the same IP address. it's "possible" to renumber those other apps and give DNS more ports. it's not "reasonable" or "feasible" however. also, i havn't read the draft, but if it doesn't separately mention stub resolvers, it should. a stub resolver should ideally not be required to keep any ports open across transactions, but it can be asked to choose port numbers that are more random than what the IP stack would assign, and it can be asked to NOT keep this port open across multiple transactions. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Norain_Cabral@chemdryofmarin.com Mon Aug 13 11:33:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKbug-0005n2-Lz for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:33:02 -0400 Received: from p5495e983.dip.t-dialin.net ([84.149.233.131]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKbuf-000196-7v for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:33:02 -0400 Received: from PC by chemdryofmarin.com with ASMTP id 9AA2E53F for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:33:36 +0200 Received: from PC ([116.114.2.193]) by chemdryofmarin.com with ESMTP id E5975F24EED0 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:33:36 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c7ddbf$40709300$83e99554@PC> From: "Norain Cabral" To: Subject: Initializes a new instance of the class with the specified provider type code and name. 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7DDD0.03F96300-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 11:51:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcCx-0003Zl-M1; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:51:55 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcCw-0000h5-Ev; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:51:55 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKc6r-000B1A-GT for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:45:37 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [204.74.78.36] (helo=larry.centergate.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKc6g-000AzV-Ke for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:45:32 +0000 Received: from jtk.cstcis.cti.depaul.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by larry.centergate.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id l7DFjPco026565 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:45:25 -0700 Message-Id: <200708131545.l7DFjPco026565@larry.centergate.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:45:25 -0500 From: John Kristoff To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt In-Reply-To: <20070813144233.GA28868@denics7.denic.de> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <20070813144233.GA28868@denics7.denic.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.2 (GTK+ 2.8.12; i386-apple-darwin8.5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:42:33 +0200 Peter Koch wrote: > 1024 is not magic, but it's often enough the threshold value chosen for inbound > packets. Also, a couple of years ago CAIDA, I think, did some research on source > port distribution. We've done some stats on our AS112 system and see similar > results (see also John K's posting): 53 is the only "low" port with noteworthy > use with huge numbers strating at 1024 and again at 32768. 139 is frequently seen too, but in my experience they are practially all "bogus", at least outside the Microsoft networking world. 1024 also tends to be slightly less common than others immediately above it, because the OS that tends to start with source ports there often has some app listener already locked on to that port making it unavailable for query source port selection. I don't recall a CAIDA paper that focused on source port distribution, and I think I've seen all their work, so I'd be interested in a pointer if someone has one. I did some rudimentary source port usage analysis and presented a summary at a NANOG lightning talk a short awhile back. Perhaps that is what you're referring to? You probably need to watch the video that goes along with the slides since they probably do not stand that well on their own: > Even though it would cut the space to 25%, recommending ports in the "dynamic" > port range (49152-65535), might be a better approach. Microsoft apparently moved in this direction with their source port selection strategy, because they were interfering with other apps that wanted one of the registered ports. I'm not sure that it would be necessary to recommend that change for all resolvers however. Perhaps it makes more sense for a stub rather than a full, dedicated resolver? Maybe some wording to suggest that an implementation MAY use only those dynamic ports for the reasons discussed? John -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 12:17:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcbL-00047f-NI; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:17:07 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcbK-0001Qr-F1; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:17:07 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKcTQ-000E3p-W2 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:08:56 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKcTF-000E2Q-Of for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:08:51 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (ns.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.6]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DG8g44048651 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:08:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:08:14 -0400 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Gu=F0mundsson?= /DNSEXT chair Subject: forgery-resilience recommendations section In-Reply-To: <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 10.20.30.6 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Section #9 of the draft contains number of recommendations on what to do, many of these are intertwined and some can be contradictorily. WG please take a look that section, check which RFC2119 words you would use in each recommendation. If you agree with the recommendations please say so, if you want discussion or changes please post your recommendations/issues. Editors will open an discussion item for any recommendation that needs discussion and/or consensus building. draft time line for this draft is: work out the issues by the end of September do a LC in October and advance it by November. Remember this is a document that makes recommendations for implementations, based on what is technically best for DNS. Operational issues/difficulties/practices are welcome as information but discussion on these is not in-scope. The recommendations this document provides MUST allow sites to configure their setup to adhere to site policy. Should the document will make recommendations on default configuration and behavior of implementations? Should there be different recommendation sections for stub resolvers and recursive resolvers? Olafur -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 12:17:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcbm-0004AS-H4; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:17:34 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKcbl-0001Re-9b; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:17:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKcY6-000Egi-70 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:13:46 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [66.92.66.68] (helo=cyteen.hactrn.net) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKcXv-000EeZ-7r for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:13:40 +0000 Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (thrintun.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:219:d1ff:fe12:5d30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "thrintun.hactrn.net", Issuer "Grunchweather Associates" (verified OK)) by cyteen.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A980A2847A for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by thrintun.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BED22828 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:13:33 -0400 From: Rob Austein To: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: DNAME and the Understand-DNAME bit In-Reply-To: <200708130326.l7D3QY06037862@ogud.com> References: <46BCA824.7030004@nist.gov> <20070810233055.A4E6222828@thrintun.hactrn.net> <200708130326.l7D3QY06037862@ogud.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/21.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20070813161333.62BED22828@thrintun.hactrn.net> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 At Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:26:13 -0400, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson wrote: >=20 > At 19:30 10/08/2007, Rob Austein wrote: > >At Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:02:12 -0400, Scott Rose wrote: > > > > > > So a client that implements EDNS0 can signal DNSSEC > > > understanding, DNAME understanding, both, and neither. > > > >DNSSECbis explictly required that DNSSEC-aware software also be > >DNAME-aware, so would be a protocol violation. >=20 > > Strictly speaking that is an old implementation that does not know > about UD bit. Here are the four different states > DO =3D 0 UD =3D 0 Understand ENDS0, but not DNSSEC or DNAME > DO =3D 0 UD =3D 1 Understand ENDS0, process DNAME but do not deal with D= NSSEC > DO =3D 1 UD =3D 1 Understand ENDS0, DNAME and DNSSEC (modern implementat= ion) > DO =3D 1 UD =3D 0 Same as above the one above but implemented > before rfc2672bis publication I'm ok with this interpretation, but the point is that you can't express "I understand DNAME but don't understand DNSSEC." I think it's ok that you can't express this, I'm just arguing with Scott's characterization. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 12:49:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKd6q-0004R1-4q; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:49:40 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKd6o-000381-PN; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:49:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKd28-000Ikd-GA for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:44:48 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [157.185.61.2] (helo=M4.sparta.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKd1x-000IjV-Hv for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:44:42 +0000 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l7DGiW1B013796; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:44:32 -0500 Received: from garak.ads.sparta.com (garak.sparta.com [157.185.63.81]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DGiWMl008793; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:44:32 -0500 Received: from mailbin2.ads.sparta.com ([157.185.85.6]) by garak.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:44:31 -0500 Received: from spx.vb.futz.org ([216.27.162.138]) by mailbin2.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:47:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:44:25 -0400 From: Robert Story To: gson@araneus.fi (Andreas Gustafsson) Cc: bert hubert , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt Message-ID: <20070813124425.6d6951af@spx.vb.futz.org> In-Reply-To: <18112.29234.95785.358726@guava.gson.org> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <18112.29234.95785.358726@guava.gson.org> Organization: SPARTA X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; powerpc-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_xlvOUMLzX1EiDHLs3gcNAVx; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2007 16:47:43.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB410AC0:01C7DDC9] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:44:33 -0500 (CDT) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 --Sig_xlvOUMLzX1EiDHLs3gcNAVx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:01:06 +0300 Andreas wrote: AG> That's not what the draft actually says. If you "MUST use an as large AG> as possible pool of source ports", turning the knob to anything other AG> than the maximum would violate the MUST. No, the application developer is the one following this RFC, not the operator. If the local configure says the max is 5 ports, then using 4 or less would violate the MUST. Hopefully the operator will be familiar with the draft, and will recognize the need set the knob as high as possible. AG> Let me once again voice my strong objection to this requirement. For AG> one thing, it means that on any host running a DNS resolver, it would AG> be impossible to later add any other UDP-based services, because all AG> the UDP ports would already be taken. Any implementation that opened every available port would be a very silly one. The draft says that 'Implementations MUST be able to send queries from ANY UDP port available to it', so any ports in use by another = application would, by definition, be unavailable. There is no conflict here. --=20 Robert Story SPARTA --Sig_xlvOUMLzX1EiDHLs3gcNAVx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGwIpp7/fVLLY1mngRAu/vAJ0XYeC6ea1v+cK1clyInxED2QULfwCgnZuS znmqjY03h8BJ76+tTC7r0cE= =5jPw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_xlvOUMLzX1EiDHLs3gcNAVx-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 12:52:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKd9e-0006l0-LV; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:52:34 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKd9d-0003Gb-AG; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:52:34 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKd5G-000JAo-3q for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:48:02 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [157.185.61.2] (helo=M4.sparta.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKd55-000J9M-ED for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:47:56 +0000 Received: from Beta5.sparta.com (beta5.sparta.com [157.185.63.21]) by M4.sparta.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l7DGliUr014128; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:47:44 -0500 Received: from garak.ads.sparta.com (garak.sparta.com [157.185.63.81]) by Beta5.sparta.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DGliPx008976; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:47:44 -0500 Received: from mailbin2.ads.sparta.com ([157.185.85.6]) by garak.ads.sparta.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:47:44 -0500 Received: from spx.vb.futz.org ([216.27.162.138]) by mailbin2.ads.sparta.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:50:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:47:39 -0400 From: Robert Story To: Paul Vixie Cc: bert hubert , Shane Kerr , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt Message-ID: <20070813124739.3950bc74@spx.vb.futz.org> In-Reply-To: <91818.1187017383@sa.vix.com> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <91818.1187017383@sa.vix.com> Organization: SPARTA X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; powerpc-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_U8uQCXzBaY5itYU_zmmi5PW; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2007 16:50:55.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DE8D940:01C7DDCA] X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (M4.sparta.com [157.185.61.2]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:47:44 -0500 (CDT) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 --Sig_U8uQCXzBaY5itYU_zmmi5PW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:03:03 +0000 Paul wrote: PV> "possible" is still the wrong word. i may have other UDP apps using the PV> same IP address. it's "possible" to renumber those other apps and give PV> DNS more ports. it's not "reasonable" or "feasible" however. As I just said in another message, the application developer is the one following this RFC, not the operator. It's not possible for an application to renumber ports used by other applications. (well, I suppose it could start killing other processes and messing with /etc/services, but I think any reasonable person would know that that's not the intent.) --=20 Robert Story SPARTA --Sig_U8uQCXzBaY5itYU_zmmi5PW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGwIsr7/fVLLY1mngRAl63AJoDXGS4ZQSdqYMU2aA6GVANOJlDWQCgnWdS Urrn5lh6AJ6xihjK3a7Y5f0= =xtuM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_U8uQCXzBaY5itYU_zmmi5PW-- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 13:01:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKdIR-00051z-7V; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:01:39 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKdIP-0003UW-UG; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:01:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKdDu-000KLR-3e for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:56:58 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKdDh-000KJ9-Ay for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:56:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DGublS049450; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:56:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20070810233055.A4E6222828@thrintun.hactrn.net> References: <46BCA824.7030004@nist.gov> <20070810233055.A4E6222828@thrintun.hactrn.net> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:57:32 -0400 To: IETF DNSEXT WG From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: DNAME and the Understand-DNAME bit Cc: ed.lewis@neustar.biz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 At 19:30 -0400 8/10/07, Rob Austein wrote: >At Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:02:12 -0400, Scott Rose wrote: >> >> So a client that implements EDNS0 can signal DNSSEC >> understanding, DNAME understanding, both, and neither. > >DNSSECbis explictly required that DNSSEC-aware software also be >DNAME-aware, so would be a protocol violation. ...because the synthesized CNAME is not signed. I had to think a while to remember the rationale for the restriction. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Think glocally. Act confused. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 13:02:37 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKdJN-00059d-TU; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:02:37 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKdJM-0003WW-J8; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:02:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKdFp-000KbF-8a for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:58:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [129.6.16.226] (helo=smtp.nist.gov) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKdFa-000KXi-Bo for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:58:51 +0000 Received: from [129.6.140.98] (98-140.antd.nist.gov [129.6.140.98]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7DGw9VI006005 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:58:09 -0400 Message-ID: <46C08DA1.6030600@nist.gov> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:58:09 -0400 From: Scott Rose Organization: NIST User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: DNAME and the Understand-DNAME bit References: <46BCA824.7030004@nist.gov> <20070810233055.A4E6222828@thrintun.hactrn.net> <200708130326.l7D3QY06037862@ogud.com> <20070813161333.62BED22828@thrintun.hactrn.net> In-Reply-To: <20070813161333.62BED22828@thrintun.hactrn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: scottr@nist.gov Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b431ad66d60be2d47c7bfeb879db82c I mis-characterized it in a (failed) attempt to keep the text short :) The UD bit is only to signal that the client does not need CNAME synthesis done on its behalf by the server. Scott Rob Austein wrote: > At Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:26:13 -0400, Ólafur Guðmundsson wrote: >> At 19:30 10/08/2007, Rob Austein wrote: >>> At Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:02:12 -0400, Scott Rose wrote: >>>> So a client that implements EDNS0 can signal DNSSEC >>>> understanding, DNAME understanding, both, and neither. >>> DNSSECbis explictly required that DNSSEC-aware software also be >>> DNAME-aware, so would be a protocol violation. >> >> Strictly speaking that is an old implementation that does not know >> about UD bit. Here are the four different states >> DO = 0 UD = 0 Understand ENDS0, but not DNSSEC or DNAME >> DO = 0 UD = 1 Understand ENDS0, process DNAME but do not deal with DNSSEC >> DO = 1 UD = 1 Understand ENDS0, DNAME and DNSSEC (modern implementation) >> DO = 1 UD = 0 Same as above the one above but implemented >> before rfc2672bis publication > > I'm ok with this interpretation, but the point is that you can't > express "I understand DNAME but don't understand DNSSEC." I think > it's ok that you can't express this, I'm just arguing with Scott's > characterization. > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with > the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: > -- ---------------------------------------- Scott Rose Computer Scientist NIST ph: +1 301-975-8439 scott.rose@nist.gov http://www-x.antd.nist.gov/dnssec http://www.dnsops.gov/ ----------------------------------------- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 13:15:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKdVl-0006Pp-Ku; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:15:25 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKdVk-0005W8-7P; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:15:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKdRc-000MSS-VR for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:11:08 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [82.93.240.211] (helo=adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKdRN-000MPV-7q for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:11:03 +0000 Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl ([213.244.168.210] ident=postfix) by adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IKdRI-00075G-A2; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:10:48 +0200 Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C042D403D; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:10:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:10:47 +0200 From: bert hubert To: Peter Koch Cc: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt Message-ID: <20070813171047.GF24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <20070813144233.GA28868@denics7.denic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070813144233.GA28868@denics7.denic.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 04:42:33PM +0200, Peter Koch wrote: > 1024 is not magic, but it's often enough the threshold value chosen for inbound > packets. Also, a couple of years ago CAIDA, I think, did some research on source 1024 is the limit all current implementations use anyhow. It is worth nothing that even static implementations just pick *any* port above 1024 at startup, so they might also end up with a 'bad' one. In practice, >1024 is not seen to be causing problems. I don't see any reasons to advocate <=1024. > Even though it would cut the space to 25%, recommending ports in the "dynamic" > port range (49152-65535), might be a better approach. That is also a possible position of the knob, indeed, although it should be said that the current servers that use 1024-65535 don't see any notable problems. At least none that I've ever heard reported. Bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 13:15:31 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKdVr-0006a4-Ps; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:15:31 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKdVq-0005WR-EQ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:15:31 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKdRn-000MTk-PR for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:11:19 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [66.92.66.68] (helo=cyteen.hactrn.net) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKdRb-000MS9-Ic for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:11:14 +0000 Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (thrintun.hactrn.net [IPv6:2002:425c:4242:0:219:d1ff:fe12:5d30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "thrintun.hactrn.net", Issuer "Grunchweather Associates" (verified OK)) by cyteen.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7BB28465 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thrintun.hactrn.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by thrintun.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32FF22828 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:11:05 -0400 From: Rob Austein To: IETF DNSEXT WG Subject: Re: DNAME and the Understand-DNAME bit In-Reply-To: <46C08DA1.6030600@nist.gov> References: <46BCA824.7030004@nist.gov> <20070810233055.A4E6222828@thrintun.hactrn.net> <200708130326.l7D3QY06037862@ogud.com> <20070813161333.62BED22828@thrintun.hactrn.net> <46C08DA1.6030600@nist.gov> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/21.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20070813171105.E32FF22828@thrintun.hactrn.net> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 At Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:58:09 -0400, Scott Rose wrote: > > I mis-characterized it in a (failed) attempt to keep the text short :) > > The UD bit is only to signal that the client does not need CNAME > synthesis done on its behalf by the server. As Ed reminded us, DNSSEC requires the client not to need CNAME synthesis, because we can't sign the synthesis. Bu I'm not expressing myself very well today either: > Rob Austein wrote: > > > > I'm ok with this interpretation, but the point is that you can't > > express "I understand DNAME but don't understand DNSSEC." Before someone else points it out, I said this backwards: the state you can't express is "I understand DNSSEC but don't understand DNAME" (he who lives by the nit shall die by the nit....) Casting this back into Scott's terms, I still like Olafur's answer: if you say you understand DNSSEC, you don't need CNAME synthesis. Done. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 13:16:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKdWL-0007FP-6Z; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:16:01 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKdWJ-0005Xp-S4; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:16:01 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKdQF-000MCo-Sf for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:09:43 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKdQ5-000MBf-5b for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:09:38 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D2911431; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: Robert Story cc: bert hubert , Shane Kerr , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:47:39 -0400." <20070813124739.3950bc74@spx.vb.futz.org> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <91818.1187017383@sa.vix.com> <20070813124739.3950bc74@spx.vb.futz.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.2; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:09:32 +0000 Message-ID: <13992.1187024972@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 > PV> "possible" is still the wrong word. i may have other UDP apps using the > PV> same IP address. it's "possible" to renumber those other apps and give > PV> DNS more ports. it's not "reasonable" or "feasible" however. > > As I just said in another message, the application developer is the one > following this RFC, not the operator. It's not possible for an application > to renumber ports used by other applications. (well, I suppose it could > start killing other processes and messing with /etc/services, but I think > any reasonable person would know that that's not the intent.) "all possible" means, to an application developer, "use all the file descriptors you can, up to a maximum of the number of theoretical ports that can be open in a 16-bit UDP port number". that's what's possible. but it is not reasonable or feasible. if the document wants application developers to be reasonable, then it should say so. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From a-abaird@acct.atl.invesco.com Mon Aug 13 13:53:07 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKe6F-0001LJ-Lo; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:53:07 -0400 Received: from [88.224.233.207] (helo=dsl88-244-59855.ttnet.net.tr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKe6E-0006nQ-75; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:53:07 -0400 Received: from [88.224.233.207] by smtp1.na.amvescap.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:07 -0200 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:53:07 -0200 From: "Jenny Milton" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 13 14:22:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKeZ4-0000Bi-EV; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:22:54 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IKeZ2-00087k-V6; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:22:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKeUC-0005F7-0a for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:17:52 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [82.93.240.211] (helo=adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IKeTx-0005D7-QD for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:17:46 +0000 Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl ([213.244.168.210] ident=postfix) by adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IKeTv-0007nq-D1; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:17:35 +0200 Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D6A89403D; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:17:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:17:30 +0200 From: bert hubert To: Paul Vixie Cc: Robert Story , Shane Kerr , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt Message-ID: <20070813181730.GH24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <91818.1187017383@sa.vix.com> <20070813124739.3950bc74@spx.vb.futz.org> <13992.1187024972@sa.vix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <13992.1187024972@sa.vix.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 05:09:32PM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote: > that can be open in a 16-bit UDP port number". that's what's possible. > but it is not reasonable or feasible. if the document wants application > developers to be reasonable, then it should say so. I'm an implementor, not a theorist, so yes I love to write reasonable documents. It is not necessary to use all file descriptors. It is necessary to have unpredictable source ports on subsequent queries. In practice, some implementations will want have multiple transactions share a single source port, to prevent the need to open as many sockets as there are outgoing queries in flight. What we need to do is find language that encodes the unpredictability without requiring the use of all file descriptors. Suggestions are welcome, we're working on it as well. 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This draft is a work item of the DNS Extensions Working Group of the IETF. Title : Update to DNAME Redirection in the DNS Author(s) : S. Rose, W. Wijngaards Filename : draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2672bis-dname-04.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2007-8-13 The DNAME record provides redirection for a sub-tree of the domain name tree in the DNS system. That is, all names that end with a particular suffix are redirected to another part of the DNS. This is an update to the original specification in RFC 2672. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2672bis-dname-04.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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With the massive amount of spam, it is easy to miss and therefore delete relevant posts by non-subscribers. Please fix your subscription addresses. ] * Robert Story: > On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:03:03 +0000 Paul wrote: > PV> "possible" is still the wrong word. i may have other UDP apps using the > PV> same IP address. it's "possible" to renumber those other apps and give > PV> DNS more ports. it's not "reasonable" or "feasible" however. > > As I just said in another message, the application developer is the one > following this RFC, not the operator. It's not possible for an > application to renumber ports used by other applications. (well, I > suppose it could start killing other processes and messing > with /etc/services, but I think any reasonable person would know that > that's not the intent.) I think those systems with /etc/services should be on the safe side because the dynamic port range used by the kernel is outside the usual application range. 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<= /TBODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C7C322.39341F10-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 03:02:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILCu2-0003DX-Pg; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:02:50 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILCu1-0003yM-VK; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:02:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILCkk-000Gr9-7w for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:53:14 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [82.93.240.211] (helo=adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILCkh-000Gqo-68 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:53:12 +0000 Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl ([213.244.168.210] ident=postfix) by adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ILCkb-0001Ze-UO for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:53:05 +0200 Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 10F794B8F6; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:52:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:52:46 +0200 From: bert hubert To: Edward Lewis Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: some comments on draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt Message-ID: <20070815065242.GB21499@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <20070807195914.GA27765@outpost.ds9a.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0fa76816851382eb71b0a882ccdc29ac On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 12:09:24PM -0400, Edward Lewis wrote: > # 5. It is the first answer to match the previous four conditions. > # > # Note that the fifth condition can strictly speaking be derived from > # the first. It is included for clarity reasons only. > > In the reading it seems that the text is from RFC 1034/5.3.3 (which > refers only to earlier lines apparently). I went back and forth > trying to find the source of this until I realized it is probably an > interpretation and not the source. We do quote a bit from section 5.3.3 of RFC 1035, and this bit is indented. The other lines, 1. through 5., are our own invention. I've updated the xml a bit to clarify where the quote from RFC 1035 ends: - Section 5.3.3 of presaged the present problem: + The following sentence in section 5.3.3 of presaged the present problem: > Given that most sniffer based attacks are based on being closer to > the querier than the proper responder, I would look for the last > answer to match. Of course, that is only theoretically possible as > you will never know if any event is the last time it happens. Like > Elvis sightings. That would be a good suggestion except in real life :-) > The Note also is confusing. I don't see how you derive #5 from #1. Indeed. It originally stated you could derive the fifth condition from the first, where first was intended to be plural, and denote 1-4. But even that is not true. Removed the note. > #4.5. Have the answer arrive before the authentic answer > # > # Once any packet has matched the previous four conditions, no further > # answers should be accepted. > > This is a strategy I disagree with, kinda. If TSIG or DNSSEC is > used, responses matching the first four conditions ought to be queued > up until the answer has passed TSIG or DNSSEC checking. This allows > these techniques to not just detect errors but detect and deflect > until the right answer comes (within the timeout). Well, I'd hate to sprinkle TSIG and DNSSEC exceptions all over the document. I'd rather have that this document updates RFC 1035, and tries not to engtangle itself with other developments. > #before applying DNS credibility rules. > > RFC 2181 has trustworthiness rules, the are TSIG and DNSSEC rules. I > don't know of other "DNS credibility rule" sets. You probably at > least need a reference there. Well spotted - I copy pasted this section from elsewhere, and didn't fully verify it. > # The document can not require the use of either multiple ports or > # addresses as that is an operational issue and should be addressed in > # a separate document in DNSOP. > > Don't let IETF document bureaucracy get in the way of a good story! Thanks - I agree fully. Unsure what to do about it though.. Bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Godzickiisqd@beerandjesus.com Wed Aug 15 05:30:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILFD8-0001M1-37 for dnsext-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:30:42 -0400 Received: from c192-110.i03-1.onvol.net ([213.217.192.110]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILFD7-00056e-4e for dnsext-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:30:41 -0400 Received: from home-059e119b9d ([154.118.85.166]:10435 "EHLO home-059e119b9d" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by c192-110.i03-1.onvol.net with ESMTP id S22QCHAZQTEOGCUL (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:31:12 +0200 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 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(helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILJrg-000Fgj-0d for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:28:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FEShcY068679; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:28:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:28:32 -0400 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson_=2FDNSEXT_chair?= From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 6d95a152022472c7d6cdf886a0424dc6 Referring to: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.= txt At 12:08 -0400 8/13/07, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT chair wrote: >WG please take a look that section, check which RFC2119 words you would use >in each recommendation. > >If you agree with the recommendations please say so, if you want discussion= or >changes please post your recommendations/issues. There has never been a solid prescribed algorithm=20 for resolving queries in DNS, so I don't know=20 that RFC 2119 terminology will apply to this.=20 Besides, it is questionable whether any=20 recommendations to countermand simple spoofing=20 represent an interoperability issue or whether=20 this is just plain good practice to follow in=20 operations. Having read an earlier thread on this, I might=20 suggest the following regarding port management: A DNS client (stub or full) would be wise to=20 select a handful of ports from which to source=20 queries and would be even wiser to change these=20 ports over time. For example, at start up,=20 request 16 or so unused ports from the operating=20 system and arbitrarily spread the load of queries=20 amongst the ports. (A caveat here - asking for=20 16 port #0's might get 16 consecutive ports which=20 is not desired. Perhaps we ought to recommend=20 generating 16 randomly chosen numbers and=20 requesting those ports, reselecting a number of=20 the port is in use.) Strict rotation is=20 discouraged as this does not add to the security=20 desired, however true randomness is not necessary=20 as the set is small. At some point during the=20 operation of the querying process ports should be=20 closed and replaced with new ones from the=20 operating system. It is not necessary to retire=20 all ports at the same time. # Having thought about that recommendation, I=20 think it doesn't apply to stubs. A stub instance=20 ought to ask the OS for a port at each=20 invocation. I would say random, but OS's don't=20 (at least back in the day when I wrote code)=20 randomize port allocations. As in, if you ask=20 for a random port you get port # n+1 from the=20 previously allocated port. Of course, that=20 applies if you ask for port 0, not a specific=20 port. Perhaps this is an issue for OS vendors to=20 think about too. Regarding message acceptance, if it needs to be=20 made explicit then I'd agree to list all of the=20 fields that ought to be identical. I would go=20 further and add that the answer has to be related=20 to the question - I don't see a problem with out=20 of zone CNAME'd records as you don't know "what=20 zone" an answer is coming from but you do know=20 "what server" an answer is coming from. If a=20 server is authoritative for both of the involved=20 zones, then by RFC 2181 trustworthiness rules,=20 the answers are all of the same ranking. The strategy I mentioned in another set of=20 comments, of waiting for the "last" and not the=20 "first" response is something that could be=20 worked in. However, I don't think I would=20 recommend the strategy unless the software is=20 being written for a paranoid environment. Absent=20 DNSSEC and TSIG, the recommendation would include=20 queuing all candidate responses to the query=20 until the time-out or until an previous response=20 is deemed trustworthy. Of course, all of this is=20 a great big pain in the neck to manage. (OTOH,=20 the Achilles Heel of most networking software is=20 poor session management and deficient socket=20 error handling elements, so this is par for the=20 course.) >Should the document will make recommendations on default configuration and >behavior of implementations? Only if it impacts interoperability of a stable protocol. >Should there be different recommendation sections for stub resolvers >and recursive resolvers? I think so, given the management of open sockets. PS - By "socket" I mean a virtual device used to=20 interact with TCP and UDP ports. -- -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Think glocally. Act confused. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 12:41:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILLvz-0008Ix-Gd; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:41:27 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILLvy-0002QD-90; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:41:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILLlk-00056e-K0 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:30:52 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [83.246.72.252] (helo=gurgel.gson.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILLlf-00056A-Rh for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:30:51 +0000 Received: from guava.gson.org (a91-152-94-125.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.152.94.125]) by gurgel.gson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA00E7C8D2; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by guava.gson.org (Postfix, from userid 101) id 37DFA75EF2; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:30:45 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:30:45 +0300 To: Edward Lewis Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section In-Reply-To: References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 From: gson@araneus.fi (Andreas Gustafsson) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Edward Lewis wrote: > Having read an earlier thread on this, I might > suggest the following regarding port management: > > A DNS client (stub or full) would be wise to > select a handful of ports from which to source > queries and would be even wiser to change these > ports over time. For example, at start up, > request 16 or so unused ports from the operating > system and arbitrarily spread the load of queries > amongst the ports. (A caveat here - asking for > 16 port #0's might get 16 consecutive ports which > is not desired. Perhaps we ought to recommend > generating 16 randomly chosen numbers and > requesting those ports, reselecting a number of > the port is in use.) Strict rotation is > discouraged as this does not add to the security > desired, however true randomness is not necessary > as the set is small. At some point during the > operation of the querying process ports should be > closed and replaced with new ones from the > operating system. It is not necessary to retire > all ports at the same time. Although opening a handful of ports and choosing one of them at random for each query does make spoofing harder, making those ports non-consecutive and/or changing them periodically does not really offer any additional security. In the case of a server using a single port, we already assume that the attacker has a way of determining which port is in use. The methods the attacker may use for doing that easily extend to multiple ports, so we must also assume that the attacker now has a way of determining the _set_ of ports currently in use. If he does that determination immediately before the attack, and repeats it frequently enough during an extended attack, he will be able to track any changes in the set. -- Andreas Gustafsson, gson@araneus.fi -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 13:09:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILMNO-0000JB-PK; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:09:46 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILMNM-00038p-KR; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:09:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILMIF-0009Gl-8X for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:04:27 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [204.152.186.144] (helo=white.flame.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILMI0-0009FQ-HV for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:04:13 +0000 Received: from white.flame.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BB5327A83; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.42.120.8] (ip68-97-27-239.ok.ok.cox.net [68.97.27.239]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E7B327A78; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46C33141.5050503@isc.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:00:49 -0500 From: Michael Graff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Gustafsson CC: Edward Lewis , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> In-Reply-To: <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Gustafsson wrote: > In the case of a server using a single port, we already assume that > the attacker has a way of determining which port is in use. The > methods the attacker may use for doing that easily extend to multiple > ports, so we must also assume that the attacker now has a way of > determining the _set_ of ports currently in use. If he does that > determination immediately before the attack, and repeats it frequently > enough during an extended attack, he will be able to track any changes > in the set. That would almost imply that using one port for a server would actually limit the ability to attack other servers if they have a chance to use a different port. That is, if an attacker could only detect a limited number of ports a server uses (say, out of 16), the others would still be unknown quantities from the attacker's point of view. If, on the other hand, a random port were used, it's only a matter of time before all ports were detected. - --Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFGwzFBZXirchfeIY0RAr8sAJ96Lp5E6EdIAOKRDeTWkUd7JHOV1wCgktcm ljpzBVPxcz9LG8KH5iqpGP4= =dvqT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 13:36:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILMnR-0007js-Ot; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:36:41 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILMnQ-0003mq-9Z; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:36:41 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILMhr-000CWM-0Q for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:30:55 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [204.152.184.167] (helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILMhn-000CVm-Ec for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:30:52 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13505114079; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:30:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Shane_Kerr@isc.org) Received: from [199.6.1.234] (unknown [199.6.1.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE140E6022; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:30:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shane@isc.org) Message-ID: <46C33847.6050509@isc.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:30:47 +0200 From: Shane Kerr Reply-To: shane_kerr@isc.org Organization: ISC User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070806) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Gustafsson CC: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> In-Reply-To: <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Gustafsson wrote: > > Although opening a handful of ports and choosing one of them at random > for each query does make spoofing harder, making those ports > non-consecutive and/or changing them periodically does not really > offer any additional security. > > In the case of a server using a single port, we already assume that > the attacker has a way of determining which port is in use. The > methods the attacker may use for doing that easily extend to multiple > ports, so we must also assume that the attacker now has a way of > determining the _set_ of ports currently in use. If he does that > determination immediately before the attack, and repeats it frequently > enough during an extended attack, he will be able to track any changes > in the set. In a sense you are right. If I have a set of 2^N ports and pick one at random, then I've added N bits of entropy that the attacker must guess. It doesn't matter whether what ports these are, as long as we pick one at random. Changing the ports does not really limit the time the attacker has to guess those bits, because *that* is already limited by time that it takes for the "real" server to answer the query. But... We should not assume that the attacker can snoop the traffic from the server. (In this case no prediction is necessary: the attacker can simply read the outbound queries and send a spoofed answer.) The method that I think we are talking about it getting the server to send queries to a known location. When that happens, an attacker can get some idea of the internal state of the server - the query port in this case. If I can get a server to make a single query to a server that I want, then I can determine the single port it is using. But that does not necessarily mean I can get the server to make *any* number of queries! Plus, if I have a set of query ports, an attacker can get a portion of those through repeated queries, but it gets harder to find them all as the size of the set increases. So, I think we should not throw out the idea of "reseeding" our pool. - -- Shane -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGwzhEMsfZxBO4kbQRAkylAKDuRt81aOJq+uxe1xyTS4FtQnXwiwCeIOqD UJeIj6bX2XcHePXcyV5UayU= =vQnk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 14:01:50 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILNBm-0008DI-8c; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:01:50 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILNBl-0004Ot-0C; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:01:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILN4W-000FfZ-S5 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:54:20 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [83.246.72.252] (helo=gurgel.gson.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILN4O-000FeQ-N0 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:54:15 +0000 Received: from guava.gson.org (a91-152-94-125.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.152.94.125]) by gurgel.gson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A46C7C8D7; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by guava.gson.org (Postfix, from userid 101) id BF9A775EF3; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:54:03 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18115.15803.728370.951915@guava.gson.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:54:03 +0300 To: shane_kerr@isc.org Cc: Andreas Gustafsson , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section In-Reply-To: <46C33847.6050509@isc.org> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <46C33847.6050509@isc.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 From: gson@araneus.fi (Andreas Gustafsson) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Shane Kerr wrote: > We should not assume that the attacker can snoop the traffic from the server. > (In this case no prediction is necessary: the attacker can simply read the > outbound queries and send a spoofed answer.) Correct. > The method that I think we are talking about it getting the server to send > queries to a known location. When that happens, an attacker can get some idea of > the internal state of the server - the query port in this case. Yes. > If I can get a server to make a single query to a server that I want, then I can > determine the single port it is using. But that does not necessarily mean I can > get the server to make *any* number of queries! Usually you can, as many as bandwidth permits. > Plus, if I have a set of query ports, an attacker can get a portion of those > through repeated queries, but it gets harder to find them all as the size of the > set increases. Yes, but Ed was talking about a "handful" of ports. With a handful of ports, or even a few dozen, finding them all is trivial. -- Andreas Gustafsson, gson@araneus.fi -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 14:01:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILNBo-0008Dg-QZ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:01:52 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILNBm-0004Ou-EF; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:01:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILN4H-000Fdt-P0 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:54:05 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILN4E-000FdD-A2 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:54:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FHrpCK069754; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:53:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:50:19 -0400 To: gson@araneus.fi (Andreas Gustafsson) From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Cc: Edward Lewis , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 At 19:30 +0300 8/15/07, Andreas Gustafsson wrote: >Although opening a handful of ports and choosing one of them at random >for each query does make spoofing harder, making those ports >non-consecutive and/or changing them periodically does not really >offer any additional security. My thought about that ... If the problem is that we only have 16 (possible) bits of randomness in the transaction ID and we feel the need to add to it by using the bits in the source port, the more random the source port is the better. If an attacker finds out that port Y is in use and it knows that 16 consecutively-numbered ports are in use, then the attacker can hit on Y-16 to Y+16 (as it's not clear if Y is at the end of the run). By changing the ports over time I see two advantages, one is that the attacker, once discovering a port, can only rely on that value for a short time. The other is that the ports can go back into use in the OS for whatever other applications may want to use them. Some time ago (like 4 years maybe) I wrote code where I wanted to have a lot of outstanding queries. I recall using the query port's low order bits as part of the ID so I could tie the response to the request. I didn't use threading for the code, off hand I forget the rest of the details. But the strategy was to extend the ID field into the source port. I wasn't concerned with spoofing though, my bigger concern was that many queries were going unanswered. (It was a DNS test program.) >In the case of a server using a single port, we already assume that >the attacker has a way of determining which port is in use. The >methods the attacker may use for doing that easily extend to multiple >ports, so we must also assume that the attacker now has a way of >determining the _set_ of ports currently in use. If he does that >determination immediately before the attack, and repeats it frequently >enough during an extended attack, he will be able to track any changes >in the set. I'm under the assumption that we want to have like, say, 20 bits of randomness instead of just 16. Four of those bits have to reside elsewhere/the source port/. If they are sequential, we are using 16 ports (2^4 if I am counting on my fingers correctly) and getting just the 20 bits of randomness as the upper bits of the port number are the same. If not sequential, we are getting a bigger bang for 16 ports as the upper bits of the port number aren't the same. What's haunting me is an old TCP attack where the attacker could predict the next sequence number for a stream knowing that the sequence number was based on something regular and predictable like the system clock. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Think glocally. Act confused. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 14:33:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILNgL-0006SI-3C; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:33:25 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILNgJ-00059L-QT; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:33:25 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILNbb-000Ju1-Lj for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:28:31 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILNbY-000JtZ-Ny for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:28:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FISHO3069930; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:28:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <18115.15803.728370.951915@guava.gson.org> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <46C33847.6050509@isc.org> <18115.15803.728370.951915@guava.gson.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:28:15 -0400 To: gson@araneus.fi (Andreas Gustafsson) From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Cc: shane_kerr@isc.org, Andreas Gustafsson , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 At 20:54 +0300 8/15/07, Andreas Gustafsson wrote: >Yes, but Ed was talking about a "handful" of ports. With a handful of >ports, or even a few dozen, finding them all is trivial. Depends on how big your hands are. The tradeoff is between using a lot of ports and hiding well because of it versus using too many resources on the client host. One reason to choose new ports now and then is that it may make the pool seem larger - the attacker can't tell when you've closed a port unless the attacker knows the size of a "handful" in the system under attack. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Think glocally. Act confused. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 15:45:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILOoO-0002ST-3d; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:45:48 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILOoM-0007Gm-T2; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:45:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILOhM-0002oI-Nf for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:38:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [83.246.72.252] (helo=gurgel.gson.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILOhG-0002nb-RR for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:38:31 +0000 Received: from guava.gson.org (a91-152-94-125.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.152.94.125]) by gurgel.gson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B497C8CE; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by guava.gson.org (Postfix, from userid 101) id E3EB475EF3; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:38:19 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:38:19 +0300 To: Edward Lewis Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section In-Reply-To: References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 From: gson@araneus.fi (Andreas Gustafsson) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Edward Lewis wrote: > By changing the ports over time I see two advantages, one is that the > attacker, once discovering a port, can only rely on that value for a > short time. The other is that the ports can go back into use in the > OS for whatever other applications may want to use them. That's not necessarily a good thing. For example, if you start your DNS server before your SIP server in the boot sequence and the DNS server chooses its ports randomly between 1024 and 65535, the SIP server will randomly fail to start every once in a while because the DNS server has happened to pick port 5060. Now, if the ports are fixed, you at least have a chance of figuring out what the problem is, but if the DNS server has already changed to use another port by the time you start debugging the problem, it's going to be harder. > I'm under the assumption that we want to have like, say, 20 bits of > randomness instead of just 16. Four of those bits have to reside > elsewhere/the source port/. If they are sequential, we are using 16 > ports (2^4 if I am counting on my fingers correctly) and getting just > the 20 bits of randomness as the upper bits of the port number are > the same. If not sequential, we are getting a bigger bang for 16 > ports as the upper bits of the port number aren't the same. We are still getting the same 20 bits of entropy. Everything else is just obfuscation. -- Andreas Gustafsson, gson@araneus.fi -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 16:08:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILPAK-0002W6-Ah; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:08:28 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILPAJ-0007x5-Ue; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:08:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILP64-0005ng-Un for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:04:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILP61-0005lC-T4 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:04:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7FK3fBb070330; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:03:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:02:51 -0400 To: gson@araneus.fi (Andreas Gustafsson) From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Cc: Edward Lewis , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 At 22:38 +0300 8/15/07, Andreas Gustafsson wrote: >That's not necessarily a good thing. For example, if you start your >DNS server before your SIP server in the boot sequence and the DNS >server chooses its ports randomly between 1024 and 65535, the SIP >server will randomly fail to start every once in a while because the >DNS server has happened to pick port 5060. Now, if the ports are >fixed, you at least have a chance of figuring out what the problem is, >but if the DNS server has already changed to use another port by the >time you start debugging the problem, it's going to be harder. Yeah, race conditions, know all about them. It's been a while for me, are there different port ranges nowadays where no "well-known" services set up shop? (Is[n't] there a designated dynamically assignable range of ports?) >We are still getting the same 20 bits of entropy. Everything else is >just obfuscation. Until there's DNSSEC or TSIG (or other $security-mechanism) in place, it's a gamble. I should emphasize that it's not randomness that is really needed, just something "too hard to guess in the time you can abuse it." -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Think glocally. Act confused. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 17:00:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILPyd-0005fD-Vp; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:00:27 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILPyc-0001bV-KO; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:00:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILPsp-000Bdd-Qn for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:54:27 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [82.93.240.211] (helo=adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILPsm-000Bd6-US for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:54:26 +0000 Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl ([213.244.168.210] ident=postfix) by adsl-xs4all.ds9a.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ILPsj-0000vB-8f for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:54:21 +0200 Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 743044B90A; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:54:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:54:18 +0200 From: bert hubert To: Edward Lewis Cc: Andreas Gustafsson , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: some elaboration on the exact nature of the randomness of ports we'd like Message-ID: <20070815205418.GB3145@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Ok, recapping a bit. Randomness is a confusing subject - a single number might be random, viz http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/random_number.png We want port numbers that are hard to predict for outsiders, so any attacker needs to scan a lot of port numbers before a fake DNS answers can be injected. A random, but static, port is only predictable for a complete outsider. Anybody with access to the traffic to a big authoritative nameserver quickly gains knowledge about this static port number a remote resolving nameserver uses to query it. There are at least two strategies to make sure the 'random source port number secret' does not leak. The first is to use a random source port for every query, which is not only random but also unpredictable - unlike the random generator pictured above. A second way is to reuse static ports, but make sure we have a specific and secret port number for every authoritative server we talk to. This way, the traffic of one authoritative nameserver does not give insight to port numbers used for other queries. I'd like to prevent the draft to proscribe details of how to keep the port number secret - more ways might be found than the two listed above. So it would be best if the draft merely states that the source port used should not be predictable by attackers having access to previous queries to different authoritative servers. As a side note, I think that Paul's 16 port idea does not match the criterium listed above. The 16 ports would quickly become known. Bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 17:07:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILQ5k-0004Aw-0W; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:07:48 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILQ5j-0001r2-Jy; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:07:47 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILQ1t-000CjB-Gz for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:03:49 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [204.152.187.1] (helo=sa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILQ1q-000Cik-Vs for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:03:48 +0000 Received: from sa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB2D1143B for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:38:19 +0300." <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.2; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:03:46 +0000 Message-ID: <21438.1187211826@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 > We are still getting the same 20 bits of entropy. Everything else is > just obfuscation. well, in one design i'm aware of (not bind and not published), it's slightly more than 20 bits, since there are up to 16 pools of 65536 qid's, and each pool gets its own udp socket and therefore its own port, but no pool's socket remains open except when there are outstanding upstream transactions active. so, a pool's udp port number will change every time it goes idle->nonidle, and anyone trying to predict the next port number you'll use as more than 16 they have to worry about. when combined with a firewall rule that prevents nonclients from sending in queries, the only effective poisoning attack is one that synchronizes the actions of a corrupted internal client and a corrupted external server. the synchronization between these corrupted devices is the subject of IDS, and therefore, the attack overall has a Very High Cost even if the random number generators aren't especially cryptographic. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 17:49:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILQkE-0004WN-U5; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:49:38 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILQkE-000351-9Q; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:49:38 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILQf8-000HdO-Ft for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:44:22 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [204.14.89.5] (helo=mail2.fluidhosting.com) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILQf5-000Hd0-N3 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:44:20 +0000 Received: (qmail 8918 invoked by uid 399); 15 Aug 2007 21:44:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO slave.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTP; 15 Aug 2007 21:44:19 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:44:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton To: Andreas Gustafsson cc: Edward Lewis , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section In-Reply-To: <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> Message-ID: References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 0xD5B2F0FB X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bdc523f9a54890b8a30dd6fd53d5d024 On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Andreas Gustafsson wrote: > Edward Lewis wrote: >> By changing the ports over time I see two advantages, one is that the >> attacker, once discovering a port, can only rely on that value for a >> short time. I like this part of the proposal a lot. I think by "randomly" choosing N different ports to originate queries from, AND rotating those ports during the life of the process you gain at minimum obscurity, and a raised bar for the attacker. Ed's already said good things about why N static ports doesn't raise the bar high enough, so I'll just add my +1 to that. >> The other is that the ports can go back into use in the >> OS for whatever other applications may want to use them. I'm not sure how relevant that bit is, since assuming a relatively constant load, the process is going to be consuming roughly the same N number of ports. > That's not necessarily a good thing. For example, if you start your > DNS server before your SIP server in the boot sequence and the DNS > server chooses its ports randomly between 1024 and 65535, the SIP > server will randomly fail to start every once in a while because the > DNS server has happened to pick port 5060. Well, then don't do that. :) I think we should be talking about randomly choosing ports in the ephemeral port range (49152 through 65535) rather than starting from 0, or even 1024. I think 16k ports ought to be enough to rotate through no matter what N is. Logic already exists for all well behaved applications to pick an unused ephemeral port for their work, so we shouldn't be running afoul here. > Now, if the ports are fixed, you at least have a chance of figuring out > what the problem is, but if the DNS server has already changed to use > another port by the time you start debugging the problem, it's going to > be harder. Now I'd like to flip sides and agree with Andreas for a minute. Going down this road _will_ make DNS networking harder to debug. I used to work at a big company, with very experienced and capable network engineers, and even after we reached an agreement on a "standard" ephemeral port for BIND to use for its outgoing queries, making sure it was open and accessible through all the different firewalls, routers, etc. was sometimes (not usually, but sometimes) quite an exercise. Allowing the process to randomly shift through a range of thousands of ports will make this harder. I think one way to help this situation would be a SHOULD to say that implementors provide a way to specify both the N number of outgoing ports, and the M range that they can cycle through. That will at least save _some_ hair being pulled out. That said, I still think this is a good idea, and worth the extra complexity. >> I'm under the assumption that we want to have like, say, 20 bits of >> randomness instead of just 16. Four of those bits have to reside >> elsewhere/the source port/. If they are sequential, we are using 16 >> ports (2^4 if I am counting on my fingers correctly) and getting just >> the 20 bits of randomness as the upper bits of the port number are >> the same. If not sequential, we are getting a bigger bang for 16 >> ports as the upper bits of the port number aren't the same. > > We are still getting the same 20 bits of entropy. Everything else is > just obfuscation. I'm not sure I grasped the reasoning behind this conclusion, could you elaborate a bit? Doug -- If you're never wrong, you're not trying hard enough -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 17:49:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILQkS-0004Zi-EE; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:49:52 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILQkS-00035e-14; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:49:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILQgL-000Hrc-40 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:45:37 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [204.74.78.36] (helo=larry.centergate.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILQgI-000Hr5-9J for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:45:35 +0000 Received: from jtk.cstcis.cti.depaul.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by larry.centergate.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id l7FLjXjQ000478 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:45:33 -0700 Message-Id: <200708152145.l7FLjXjQ000478@larry.centergate.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:45:32 -0500 From: John Kristoff To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: some elaboration on the exact nature of the randomness of ports we'd like In-Reply-To: <20070815205418.GB3145@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> <20070815205418.GB3145@outpost.ds9a.nl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.2.2 (GTK+ 2.8.12; i386-apple-darwin8.5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:54:18 +0200 bert hubert wrote: > We want port numbers that are hard to predict for outsiders, so any attacker > needs to scan a lot of port numbers before a fake DNS answers can be > injected. As operational information, scanning is often not necessary. There are millions of open resolvers today and even if a resolver is not open, one that is may be trusted by one that isn't. In either case, an attacker need only send queries for name they can see the resolver query to discover source port usage. This type of reconnaissance can be extremely difficult to detect. My sense is most source port selection countermeasures will be at best a weak countermeasure. If kept at all, I suggest changing SHOULD to MAY in this sentences: Implementations MUST use an as large as possible pool of UDP source ports for sending queries John -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 15 19:17:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILS6p-0006hF-BU; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:17:03 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILS6o-00060e-T7; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:17:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILS1F-0002Xy-RC for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:11:17 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [168.61.5.27] (helo=harry.mail-abuse.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILS1D-0002Xg-By for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:11:16 +0000 Received: from [168.61.10.150] (SJC-Office-DHCP-150.Mail-Abuse.ORG [168.61.10.150]) by harry.mail-abuse.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970CA4142A; Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:11:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <21438.1187211826@sa.vix.com> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> <21438.1187211826@sa.vix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7B61640B-1DD4-41AB-ACED-AFBA958381AD@mail-abuse.org> Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Douglas Otis Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:11:17 -0700 To: Paul Vixie X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 On Aug 15, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: > when combined with a firewall rule that prevents nonclients from > sending in queries, the only effective poisoning attack is one that > synchronizes the actions of a corrupted internal client and a > corrupted external server. the synchronization between these > corrupted devices is the subject of IDS, and therefore, the attack > overall has a Very High Cost even if the random number generators > aren't especially cryptographic. A firewall or intrusion detection system will not prevent SPF script parsers from rather vigorously exercising DNS resolvers ports. SPF parsers are even in webmail browser plugins. Each message validated may generate rather long sequences of transactions. The malevolent SPF script created in the demonstration draft illustrates the DDoS potential. This script could be changed to issue hundreds of transactions to a corrupt external server, and moments later issue queries for absolutely _any_ A, AAAA, or MX record of the bad actor's choice. Timing, access, and ports are all exposed by this process, and can not be stopped by a firewall. Of course similar SPF scripts can DDoS the authoritative servers at the same time without expending any of the bad actors resources as well. A free and easy attack. Handling SPF records often involves a stateful processing of a rather complex script that may encompass more than one hundred DNS transactions per message. Another concern might be the port selection associated with a thread processing the script. The thread may issue a long sequence of transactions fully controlled by SPF record parsing. These records construct a script expected to validate the path for a message that could easily be sent by a bad actor. As these SPF scripts can utilize the local-part of an email address, the same SPF record is able to generate _any_ number of new DNS transactions over the duration of a spam campaign. -Doug -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From charismipet@hotcakeshop.com Thu Aug 16 01:56:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILYKy-0003UX-Ie; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:56:04 -0400 Received: from [116.46.129.33] (helo=hotcakeshop.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILYKp-0003DB-Gi; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:56:04 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Aida Bishop" To: "Dario Hernandez" Cc: "Curt" , "Nyla Ray" , "Alida Fuller" , "Hilma Olson" , "Jarred Lawson" , "Olimpia Ramos" , "Arden Black" Subject: Correct this if its wrong Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:30:26 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_9C7_125B_97A31D2F.D3186E50" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: abda3837e791065a13ac6f11cf8e625a This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_9C7_125B_97A31D2F.D3186E50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_430_0D6A_08CD74D5.C63A7198" ------=_NextPart_430_0D6A_08CD74D5.C63A7198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The influence time has come when the shed ever-growing stunk abuse of pow= er by governments collar and their struggles with one a I face have been = told island a story of a gallant police officer, who came ear to a villag= e attempt where the peasants were They are mistaken, because sharply forc= e middle tasty does not protect humanity, but, on the contrary, represent= ative deprives it of the But, bore it will be replied, there may be such a balance advise of thund= er power, vivacious such a PONDRATION DE FORCES, as would Then occurred l= ibrary trade what happens to rose everyone sickening appreciate with a mo= rtal internal disease. 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SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [83.246.72.252] (helo=gurgel.gson.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILZBO-0005Gw-DF for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:50:16 +0000 Received: from guava.gson.org (a91-152-94-125.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.152.94.125]) by gurgel.gson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F5A7C8CF; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by guava.gson.org (Postfix, from userid 101) id 44A5C75EF3; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:50:11 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18115.62371.242100.13568@guava.gson.org> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:50:11 +0300 To: Doug Barton Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section In-Reply-To: References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 From: gson@araneus.fi (Andreas Gustafsson) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Doug Barton wrote: > >> I'm under the assumption that we want to have like, say, 20 bits of > >> randomness instead of just 16. Four of those bits have to reside > >> elsewhere/the source port/. If they are sequential, we are using 16 > >> ports (2^4 if I am counting on my fingers correctly) and getting just > >> the 20 bits of randomness as the upper bits of the port number are > >> the same. If not sequential, we are getting a bigger bang for 16 > >> ports as the upper bits of the port number aren't the same. > > > > We are still getting the same 20 bits of entropy. Everything else is > > just obfuscation. > > I'm not sure I grasped the reasoning behind this conclusion, could you > elaborate a bit? Even if the ports are not sequential, the attacker can find out what they are. Once that is done, the amount of guesswork needed on part of the attacker is exactly the same as if they were sequential: guessing between 16 known ports and 65536 IDs. -- Andreas Gustafsson, gson@araneus.fi -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Diogo-Moens@mil3.com Thu Aug 16 05:02:26 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILbFK-0007K4-2x for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:02:26 -0400 Received: from cmpc009-148.cnet2.gawex.pl ([84.205.9.148]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILbFJ-0007TN-AA for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:02:25 -0400 Received: by 10.80.233.179 with SMTP id ncGJUZLeOXsOr; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:02:28 +0200 (GMT) Received: by 192.168.43.132 with SMTP id xWKUJEGQlHFUSS.5177509064272; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:02:26 +0200 (GMT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:02:23 +0200 To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org From: "Diogo Moens" Subject: One cloak was a dark gray, the other almost as dark a green, and they seemed musty even in the open air. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Aug 16 09:51:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILfku-000446-Cj; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:51:20 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILfkt-0007GA-5e; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:51:20 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILfaY-0005Ow-1H for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:40:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILfaU-0005OJ-E3 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:40:36 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7GDePmr075345; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:40:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <18115.62371.242100.13568@guava.gson.org> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> <18115.62371.242100.13568@guava.gson.org> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:40:23 -0400 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Cc: ed.lewis@neustar.biz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa At 9:50 +0300 8/16/07, Andreas Gustafsson wrote: >Even if the ports are not sequential, the attacker can find out what >they are. Once that is done, the amount of guesswork needed on part >of the attacker is exactly the same as if they were sequential: >guessing between 16 known ports and 65536 IDs. I think it is time to state some (ok, my) assumptions because maybe we are trying to solve different problems. There are two attack scenarios. One is when the attacker can see all or most of the traffic from the DNS client, as if it is on the same (broadcast) LAN segment. The other is some remote attacker is somewhat blindly sending out answers. If the attacker is monitoring the LAN, there's no way any amount of entropy in the bits is going to help. A query can be copied into the ersatz response buffer, appended with the attack data and replied to. In this case it I doubt it makes sense to even worry about the number of ports used. If the attacker is remote, not in the forwarding path of the query or response traffic, then I do think the less linking of bits (i.e., using scattered ports over sequential port for a given number of ports) is a help. Let's say that the the DNS client uses one port per authoritative server and the attacker manages to discover the one port used for queries to the attacker's authoritative server. In that case, the only data poisoned is that from the attacker. However, one port per authority is a lot of overhead (probably), so the question is how does the client make it hard for a remote attacker to "guess" how to craft an attack response. Am I missing a problem case? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Think glocally. Act confused. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Aug 16 10:23:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILgFb-0001Vc-Rl; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:23:03 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILgFa-000835-IR; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:23:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILgAx-000ANN-0P for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:18:15 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [204.152.186.144] (helo=white.flame.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILgAu-000AMx-6I for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:18:13 +0000 Received: from white.flame.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA43327A86; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.42.120.8] (ip68-97-27-239.ok.ok.cox.net [68.97.27.239]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8048F327A85; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46C45CA1.4020301@isc.org> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:18:09 -0500 From: Michael Graff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edward Lewis CC: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> <18115.62371.242100.13568@guava.gson.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Edward Lewis wrote: > Let's say that the the DNS client uses one port per authoritative server > and the attacker manages to discover the one port used for queries to > the attacker's authoritative server. In that case, the only data > poisoned is that from the attacker. However, one port per authority is > a lot of overhead (probably), so the question is how does the client > make it hard for a remote attacker to "guess" how to craft an attack > response. I would think that, at time T (when a certain set of ports are in use), changing ports at time T+n (with a slightly different set of ports) adds entropy. That is, at any given time you have fixed additional bits that the attacker must guess (the port number(s) in use add to these bits) and if you change them, a new set must then be gathered. I still like my idea of always using the same port for a given host, and perhaps changing that port over time, but not using all available ports for a given host. That way, an attacker really has to work at getting the port range, rather than just sending some number of queries and getting most/all of them. Sure, it's hiding data and doesn't guarantee an advantage, but it does raise the bar. With a mere 20 bits (16 ports and 16 bit id) any bar-raising seems good. It moves the needed probes from number of queries before all ports are known to number of IP addresses (under an attacker's control) needed before all ports are known. As Ed suggests, if you can directly monitor the traffic, you lose. No need to worry about that case; it is not solvable using anything we've suggested. Other then DNSSEC, of course. I think some people are having problems with the terms "local" and "remote" here though. To me, a "local" means "from within their network" and remote is anything that is not local. However, someone pointed out to me offline that "local" could mean a virus-infested machine which runs behind the IDS, firewall, or whatever; in that case, many would consider that "local." It's not on the same wire perhaps, but the attacker might have enough ability to flood the client in any way it desires. - --Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFGxFyhZXirchfeIY0RAoNQAJ9LUPZ5Uphdnp8eRdDyQ/3hnlCPrQCeMotV 7Cal0OOK7338AqlxVnzzrxA= =j4mw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Aug 16 11:12:48 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILh1k-00049T-GI; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:12:48 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILh1j-0000q6-8p; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:12:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILguN-000GiB-T7 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:05:11 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [83.246.72.252] (helo=gurgel.gson.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILguI-000GhB-Vr for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:05:10 +0000 Received: from guava.gson.org (a91-152-94-125.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.152.94.125]) by gurgel.gson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A8D7C8CF; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by guava.gson.org (Postfix, from userid 101) id 0D44575EF3; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:05:04 +0300 (EEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18116.26527.998974.938593@guava.gson.org> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:05:03 +0300 To: Edward Lewis Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section In-Reply-To: References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> <18115.62371.242100.13568@guava.gson.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 From: gson@araneus.fi (Andreas Gustafsson) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Edward Lewis wrote: > I think it is time to state some (ok, my) assumptions because maybe > we are trying to solve different problems. > > There are two attack scenarios. One is when the attacker can see all > or most of the traffic from the DNS client, as if it is on the same > (broadcast) LAN segment. The other is some remote attacker is > somewhat blindly sending out answers. > > If the attacker is monitoring the LAN, there's no way any amount of > entropy in the bits is going to help. A query can be copied into the > ersatz response buffer, appended with the attack data and replied to. > In this case it I doubt it makes sense to even worry about the number > of ports used. Of course. If the attacker is monitoring the LAN, you lose, and this whole discussion is moot. > If the attacker is remote, not in the forwarding path of the query or > response traffic, then I do think the less linking of bits (i.e., > using scattered ports over sequential port for a given number of > ports) is a help. > > Let's say that the the DNS client uses one port per authoritative > server and the attacker manages to discover the one port used for > queries to the attacker's authoritative server. In that case, the > only data poisoned is that from the attacker. If you do use the "one port per authoritative server" approach, then yes, I agree that scattering the ports is better. But that is not the case I'm talking about; I'm talking about the case of a server that chooses the source port at random among its set of 16 (or whatever) open ports, regardless of destination address. -- Andreas Gustafsson, gson@araneus.fi -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Djetlicmsg@uniquevenues.org.uk Thu Aug 16 12:05:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILhqh-0004jL-4H for dnsext-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:05:27 -0400 Received: from 201008203163.user.veloxzone.com.br ([201.8.203.163] helo=20119227208.user.veloxzone.com.br) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILhqf-0003YO-S3 for dnsext-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:05:26 -0400 Received: from [101.145.87.142] by 20119227208.user.veloxzone.com.br with HTTP; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:07:10 -0300 Message-ID: <001101c7e01f$79ae69f0$d0e313c9@microsof08163e> From: "Angelbert Djetlic" To: dnsext-archive@ietf.org Subject: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:06:59 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C7E006.546131F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 4.2 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: ba0d4c5f57f7c289496fce758bbf4798 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C7E006.546131F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000E_01C7E006.546131F0" ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C7E006.546131F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C7E006.546131F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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(localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373AA11425 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:14:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@sa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:18:09 EST." <46C45CA1.4020301@isc.org> References: <46C03070.7020604@isc.org> <20070813110643.GB24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> <18115.62371.242100.13568@guava.gson.org> <46C45CA1.4020301@isc.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.2; nmh 1.0.4; GNU Emacs 21.3.1 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:14:02 +0000 Message-ID: <5964.1187280842@sa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Michael Graff wrote: > I still like my idea of always using the same port for a given host, and > perhaps changing that port over time, but not using all available ports > for a given host. That way, an attacker really has to work at getting > the port range, rather than just sending some number of queries and > getting most/all of them. Sure, it's hiding data and doesn't guarantee > an advantage, but it does raise the bar. With a mere 20 bits (16 ports > and 16 bit id) any bar-raising seems good. It moves the needed probes > from number of queries before all ports are known to number of IP > addresses (under an attacker's control) needed before all ports are known. since one of the purposes of the upstream socket pool is to add more QID's and therefore add more potential outstanding upstream transactions, there's some concern that flow-hashing the upstream server down to a 4-bit upstream socket slot-number could lead to hot spots. 64K QID's sounds like a lot but so did 640KB. then there's the question of aliasing and antialiasing. would we be hashing the upstream server's address, in which case a multihomed upstream server would learn more than one of our upstream port numbers? or would we hash by name, in which case a multinamed server could do likewise? and in any case couldn't an attacker just use a hundred or more upstream servers? or a thousand if that's what it takes? if hiding these numbers is important, and our defense depends on a sitting duck's location not being discovered, then the whole scheme feels weak to me. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From lupu@agrix.jp Thu Aug 16 15:59:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILlUw-0001mt-Dz for dnsext-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:59:14 -0400 Received: from [200.123.167.33] (helo=customer123-167-33.iplannetworks.net) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILlUv-00036Z-KX for dnsext-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:59:14 -0400 Received: from emi ([148.127.114.164]) by customer123-167-33.iplannetworks.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:00:09 -0300 Message-ID: <000a01c7e040$00dc39f0$21a77bc8@emi> From: "lupu mansfield" To: dnsext-archive@ietf.org Subject: maximize results-dnsext-archive Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:59:50 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7E026.DB8F01F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 83867a50fd8f547996ccdaf89af24437 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7E026.DB8F01F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0007_01C7E026.DB8F01F0" ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C7E026.DB8F01F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C7E026.DB8F01F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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+0200 From: bert hubert To: Edward Lewis Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Message-ID: <20070816195541.GA11439@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> <18115.62371.242100.13568@guava.gson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 09:40:23AM -0400, Edward Lewis wrote: > queries to the attacker's authoritative server. In that case, the > only data poisoned is that from the attacker. However, one port per > authority is a lot of overhead (probably), so the question is how The overhead appears to be around 20% on modern operating systems. I found it hard to do the measurement for Windows XP as it was very slow no matter how I measured it, so I don't think I can say anything useful about it. I might have been using the wrong API. Cleverly reusing per-remote connected sockets didn't really gain any performance on Linux. So it is not clear the overhead is 'a lot' or even 'substantial'. Bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Aug 16 16:26:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILlv0-00048X-Ab; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:26:10 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILluz-0002WB-3Z; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:26:10 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILlno-0005e8-9c for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:18:44 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [66.92.146.160] (helo=ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILlng-0005dY-PI for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:18:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7GKITWr080216; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:18:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20070816195541.GA11439@outpost.ds9a.nl> References: <46C04A14.6030801@NLnetLabs.nl> <20070813130332.GD24229@outpost.ds9a.nl> <200708131608.l7DG8g44048651@ogud.com> <18115.10805.158587.652030@guava.gson.org> <18115.22059.896519.821695@guava.gson.org> <18115.62371.242100.13568@guava.gson.org> <20070816195541.GA11439@outpost.ds9a.nl> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:18:27 -0400 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Cc: Edward Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 At 21:55 +0200 8/16/07, bert hubert wrote: >On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 09:40:23AM -0400, Edward Lewis wrote: >> queries to the attacker's authoritative server. In that case, the >> only data poisoned is that from the attacker. However, one port per >> authority is a lot of overhead (probably), so the question is how > >The overhead appears to be around 20% on modern operating systems. I found >it hard to do the measurement for Windows XP as it was very slow no matter >how I measured it, so I don't think I can say anything useful about it. I >might have been using the wrong API. > >Cleverly reusing per-remote connected sockets didn't really gain any >performance on Linux. > >So it is not clear the overhead is 'a lot' or even 'substantial'. 20% seems like a lot, but of course, it depends on what is being measured. To give some impression of what I meant by overhead... Part of the question is - how many authoritative servers does a single recursive server contact? Over any given period of time? If a server contacts 1000 authoritative servers across a business day, does that mean 1000 ports are going to be held for DNS queries? When is a port freed? And what about any per-process limits on interprocess communications? (Back in the day, UNIX-like systems were limited to like 32 or so.) Of course, overhead could be the time used for a UDP connect() call, after that it's no more work to use the new port rather than a communal one. Is the 20% the related to the ratio of: use of a UDP port to send ------------------------- use of a UDP port to send + connect() ? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Think glocally. Act confused. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Aug 16 17:28:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILmtN-00027X-4T; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:28:33 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILmtL-0004aH-TA; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:28:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILmnj-000DqU-Hi for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:22:43 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [130.105.36.66] (helo=cirrus.av8.net) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILmng-000Dq8-Qa for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:22:42 +0000 Received: from [130.105.12.10] ([130.105.12.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by cirrus.av8.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7GLMULo029544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:22:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:22:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Dean Anderson X-X-Sender: dean@citation2.av8.net To: Andreas Gustafsson cc: bert hubert , Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsext-forgery-resilience-01.txt In-Reply-To: <18112.29234.95785.358726@guava.gson.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b I'm not certain that this improves forgery resilience, since it makes it harder to tell which packets are DNS, and therefore, harder to detect hosts that are trying to spoof DNS responses. Nothing is ever free. However, the reason that Andreas gives against the proposal is wrong. Operating systems allow different processes to share the port space, so a DNS resolver can share the range of ports with other services. It is not the case that all UDP port numbers must be reserved for DNS. It is only the case that DNS can use any random port as given to it by the operating system. I think the standards should allow both behaviors, and I'd prefer implmentations that had knobs to do either. Which knob setting to use depends on the situation, I think. --Dean On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Andreas Gustafsson wrote: > Let me once again voice my strong objection to this requirement. For > one thing, it means that on any host running a DNS resolver, it would > be impossible to later add any other UDP-based services, because all > the UDP ports would already be taken. The ability to provide multiple > services on a single host is one of the fundamental properties of the > IP protocol suite that make it useful. Even saying that a single > protocol MAY or SHOULD monopolize all UDP ports would be antisocial > towards other protocols; saying that it MUST do so is just ridiculous. > -- Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service 617 344 9000 -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Art@gofallon.com Thu Aug 16 21:14:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILqQH-0002Gb-I2 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:14:45 -0400 Received: from [201.234.147.131] (helo=[201.234.147.131]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ILqQC-0003o0-Mn for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:14:45 -0400 Received: from pc-08 ([157.143.44.117] helo=pc-08) by [201.234.147.131] ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with esmtpa id 1CjFSC-000QAK-Ar for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:14:48 -0300 Message-ID: <001001c7e06b$ec4c62e0$8393eac9@pc08> From: "Art Krickemeyer" To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:14:13 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7E052.C6FF2AE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 4.3 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 79bb66f827e54e9d5c5c7f1f9d645608 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7E052.C6FF2AE0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000D_01C7E052.C6FF2AE0" ------=_NextPart_001_000D_01C7E052.C6FF2AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_001_000D_01C7E052.C6FF2AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILqm0-000KAA-Gg for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:37:12 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [204.152.184.167] (helo=mx.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ILqlt-000K9j-OH for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:37:11 +0000 Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A00411401F for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:37:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark_Andrews@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost.isc.org [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D02CE602D for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:37:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l7H1aoXq068041; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:36:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200708170136.l7H1aoXq068041@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Edward Lewis Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson_=2FDNSEXT_chair?= , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:28:32 -0400." Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:36:50 +1000 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 > # Having thought about that recommendation, I=20 > think it doesn't apply to stubs. A stub instance=20 > ought to ask the OS for a port at each=20 > invocation. I would say random, but OS's don't=20 > (at least back in the day when I wrote code)=20 > randomize port allocations. As in, if you ask=20 > for a random port you get port # n+1 from the=20 > previously allocated port. Of course, that=20 > applies if you ask for port 0, not a specific=20 > port. Perhaps this is an issue for OS vendors to=20 > think about too. Linux's port allocation gives you the same port unless the previous port is still open in which case you get n+1. This really is sub-optimal for UDP as get all sorts of garbage destined for the previous user of the port. It also means that you can't do socket(), bind(), close(), socket(), and bind() and get a get a different port like with every other OS. You have to do socket(), bind(), socket(), bind() then close() to ensure the OS gives you a new port. This wouldn't be a problem with real random ports as the probability of getting the same port on two consecutive bind()s is low. You just try again. Please don't say the above procedure is what all applications should do as this is a cross process problem. It's fine and reasonable for *a* process to do the above when it wants to reject specific system assigned ports. Having 30 dig proccess in a row get the same port leads to all sorts of responses to old queries being delivered. It also leads to spurious bug reports about dig binding to specific ports when it was not told to. 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<200708170136.l7H1aoXq068041@drugs.dv.isc.org> References: <200708170136.l7H1aoXq068041@drugs.dv.isc.org> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:06:24 -0400 To: Mark Andrews From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section Cc: Edward Lewis , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson_=2FDNSEXT_chair?= , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 At 11:36 +1000 8/17/07, Mark Andrews wrote: > Please don't say the above procedure is what all applications I'll try to sum up my thoughts on this, not that I think I have answers but perhaps my input is reaching the point of diminishing returns. But I won't promise to remain silent on this in the future. ;) It's an age-old problem, the interaction between OS related interprocess communications (such as BSD Sockets) and the network related (pseudo) devices (such as ports). The OS is concerned about fair and efficient distribution of its resources (mbufs) among processes. Protocols are concerned with transfer of information (entailing flow control, security, etc.). These two goals are compatible even if orthogonal. What's a problem, to the designer of a protocol, is that each OS solves the problems of resource allocation a bit differently. (And we know that "a bit" can be very significant.) The moral of this is it is impractical to proscribe a specific solution that works for the protocol and works on all OSs. (To be cyber-culturally correct, not all OSs have processes, so read that as "threads of execution.") If the situation is that we feel that we cannot make the 16 bit message ID unpredictable enough (I didn't say random on purpose), we ought to recommend the amount of needed degrees of freedom and where that might be found (port numbers). It's not that I think it is a waste to dive into what each OS does, but well, it's a waste of time. No, seriously, I think that if the IETF document proscribes what we as a WG think is enough bits of unpredictability we should then just leave it to the implementers to deal. After all, today's coders know the APIs and behaviors better than rusty old coots like me. So, let me propose that we document that there is a need for more bits of unpredictability based on the calculations already in the draft. An open question to me is to specify a number, I mean, others will have a far better idea than I so I won't suggest a number and will go along with any consensus. As far as how the "extended unpredictability" is implemented is probably left best to the code writers with maybe some hints in the document - but let's avoid ratholing on anything that isn't needed for interoperability. I should add that what we are talking about in this thread is just the equivalent of the session layer of the DNS protocol. The "service" is that we can maintain a reliable enough communication between querier and respondent (avoiding the word "server" as both ends of the communication are likely servers), how this is jockeyed over the OS IPC and TCP/IP ports can be a hidden detail. The document does cover other aspects of making sure the correct received answer is accepted, that is just not in this particular thread. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Think glocally. Act confused. -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: From Hoff@7-10split.org Fri Aug 17 07:46:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM0HA-0004CX-Hg for dnsext-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:46:00 -0400 Received: from [212.33.174.190] (helo=[87.101.244.7]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IM0G2-0004gk-0g for dnsext-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:46:00 -0400 Received: from [118.178.31.58] by [87.101.244.7] with HTTP; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 02:42:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c7e17c$11c165f0$07f46557@aa0a44c1f2ef8d> From: "Mertz Hoff" To: dnsext-archive@ietf.org Subject: accepted-dnsext-archive Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 02:42:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7E141.65628DF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: f1405b5eaa25d745f8c52e3273d3af78 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7E141.65628DF0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000A_01C7E141.65628DF0" ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01C7E141.65628DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01C7E141.65628DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:20:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7E0D1.610CE450" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 14582b0692e7f70ce7111d04db3781c8 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7E0D1.610CE450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H*E*R*E WE GO AGA_IN! T_H'E B.I-G O-N,E BEF+ORE T*H.E SEPTEM*BER.RAL LY! T,H,E MARK+ET IS ABO,UT TO P_O*P-, A'N*D SO IS E X+M-T-! Fir_m: EXC--HANGE MOBIL.E T-E.L*E (Othe-r O-T*C+: EXMT.PK,) Tick.: E X-M-T A-s+k.: 0,.*0'8 5-_day pot'enti.al: 0,._4_0 T_h'i*s a gre,at o+ppo-rtunity to at leas-t do,uble up! 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H*E*R*E WE GO AGA_IN!
T_H'E B.I-G O-N,E BEF+ORE T*H.E SEPTEM*BER.RAL = LY!
T,H,E MARK+ET IS ABO,UT TO P_O*P-, A'N*D SO IS = E X+M-T-!
Fir_m: EXC--HANGE MOBIL.E T-E.L*E (Othe-r = O-T*C+:=20 EXMT.PK,)
Tick.: E X-M-T
A-s+k.: 0,.*0'8
5-_day pot'enti.al: 0,._4_0
T_h'i*s a gre,at o+ppo-rtunity to at leas-t = do,uble up!
N*o_t o,n,l y d.o.e-s t.h-i*s f-i r_m h a v.e = grea+t=20 fu_ndamenta'ls, b*u*t get,ting t-h*i's op+portu_nity at t-h*e r-ight = t_ime,=20 rig'ht befor,e t+h-e r.ally is w*h+a*t ma kes t,h+i-s d-e'a+l so sweet_! =
Wat.ch it s,o a,r'!
I gat,her t-h a,t m-o s t of t-h'e s ongs = a-r_e a'bout=20 or f o_r h'e-r b.a*b_y*.
S h'e accept_e_d t h e homag e witho+ut = commen't.
W_o+r,d of den ial in t h-y l+abras h+e_r'e-. =
Exce'ss+um Col o- n-i_a-i Agripp'i+nae. =
Fr ees resou.'rces a ssociate'd w,i-t*h t h'e = paramet_er=20 s to an ev ent.
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Watc,h it s+o'a*r'!
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T h_i+s is an unden-iabl*e f*a'c_t'. =
A str*uctu're con_tai-ning t,h+e re.sults. =
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7E15B.10F4A310-- From Arlie334@jhinc.com Sat Aug 18 00:24:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMFrY-0001he-Jw for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:24:36 -0400 Received: from [201.19.193.110] (helo=20119193110.user.veloxzone.com.br) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMFrV-0006WG-4B for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:24:36 -0400 Received: from microsof-6cc59b ([142.198.26.93] helo=microsof-6cc59b) by 20119193110.user.veloxzone.com.br ( sendmail 8.13.3/8.13.1) with esmtpa id 1aEuxJ-000KJR-yu for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:25:25 -0300 Message-ID: <000601c7e14f$ba0f7670$6ec113c9@microsof6cc59b> From: "Arlie Talleruphuus" To: Subject: Only, it seemed that Elaida was doing exactly as that, whatever Tower law said. Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:24:54 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7E136.94C23E70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 5ebbf074524e58e662bc8209a6235027 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7E136.94C23E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H+E'R*E WE GO AGAI.N! T H.E B_I,G O*N*E BEF ORE T.H-E SEP.TEMBER. RALLY! T-H E MARK*ET IS AB*OUT TO P O.P_, A*N'D SO IS E-X+M-T.! F_irm: EXCHANG,+E MOB ILE T*E-L-E (O*ther O*T*C : EXMT.P,K) Tic,k: E-X M+T A,s-k-: 0..'1,0 (+.2.5.00%) (,U+P TO 2-5'% in 1 d_a-y*) 5-da*y poten'ti*al: 0_.+4'0 T.h-i.s a grea_t opportuni-t,y to at l_east doub le up! N.o,t o.n-l.y d-o.e,s t_h'i_s f_i,r+m h*a'v'e grea_t fundamenta-l+s, = b+u*t gett,ing t h+i s opp*o-rtunity at t*h e ri*ght time-, righ+t = bef-ore t+h*e ra-lly is w+h_a+t make_s t-h i*s d e a-l so sweet-! Wa.tch it s'o a,r,! S_h_o w t*e,x_t fie,lds (li-ke sw*fstrin'gs). D*L_L to dynamica_ll y l,o*a,d (_a*n-d unl oad) a D-L.L+. A Myrdd ra-al c_a+m.e stri*din g d+o,w+n t'h_e stre.et, i.t*s bla.ck = cloa k sway,ing ge_ntly w-i,t+h i t*s st'eps e*v+e_n w'h*e+n t'h*e = w-i'n+d g_usted to driv.e d+u_s.t a,n+d rubbis+h p-a's t it. Second.ly_, st,eel s,tring gu_itars t-e*n,d to h,a*v+e nec-ks whic*h = v.a.r-y in width*. S.ub-string(0, 5) D'i m o'b+j.3 As Ob,ject =3D C,onversio*n. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7E136.94C23E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H+E'R*E WE GO AGAI.N!
T H.E B_I,G O*N*E BEF ORE T.H-E SEP.TEMBER. = RALLY!
T-H E MARK*ET IS AB*OUT TO P O.P_, A*N'D SO IS = E-X+M-T.!
F_irm: EXCHANG,+E MOB ILE T*E-L-E (O*ther = O*T*C :=20 EXMT.P,K)
Tic,k: E-X M+T
A,s-k-: 0..'1,0 (+.2.5.00%) (,U+P TO 2-5'% in = 1 d_a-y*)
5-da*y poten'ti*al: 0_.+4'0
T.h-i.s a grea_t opportuni-t,y to at l_east = doub le up!
N.o,t o.n-l.y d-o.e,s t_h'i_s f_i,r+m h*a'v'e = grea_t=20 fundamenta-l+s, b+u*t gett,ing t h+i s opp*o-rtunity at t*h e ri*ght = time-,=20 righ+t bef-ore t+h*e ra-lly is w+h_a+t make_s t-h i*s d e a-l so sweet-! =
Wa.tch it s'o a,r,!
S_h_o w t*e,x_t fie,lds (li-ke sw*fstrin'gs). =
D*L_L to dynamica_ll y l,o*a,d (_a*n-d unl = oad) a=20 D-L.L+.
A Myrdd ra-al c_a+m.e stri*din g d+o,w+n t'h_e = stre.et,=20 i.t*s bla.ck cloa k sway,ing ge_ntly w-i,t+h i t*s st'eps e*v+e_n = w'h*e+n t'h*e=20 w-i'n+d g_usted to driv.e d+u_s.t a,n+d rubbis+h p-a's t = it.
Second.ly_, st,eel s,tring gu_itars t-e*n,d to = h,a*v+e=20 nec-ks whic*h v.a.r-y in width*.
S.ub-string(0, 5) D'i m o'b+j.3 As Ob,ject =3D = C,onversio*n.
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T*h*i*s a gre_at oppor',tunity to at l'east dou-ble up! G e+t*s or s*e.t_s t-h'e n*e+w structur* e to w-hich to co*nvert. T-h_i*s is t h-e s a,m+e d,a.t e f'ormat as re.turne+d by D_a t e,. W_h.a't t_h-i.s m eans is t h'a t wh ile a.g-gregation is a powe*,rful, = e*fficient-, a_n_d reco.mmend.ed w*a_y to r_euse C*O-M obje+ct.s, it is = curren-tl.y sup+porte.d o_n.l-y f*o+r i_n--process C'O-M object's. A,l,l d a*y l.o-n.g t'here is t.h'e sm-ell of powde+r a_n*d p'u'n k a = n'd t.h e g.o l+d d'u*s*t f_r'o*m t*h+e brigh+t r+e-d wrap,pe*rs sti,cks = to y-o-u'r fi'ngers. Lette_rs h.a,d b+e-e+n writte.n. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7E1B0.01099F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
T_H-E B+I*G O N+E BE,FORE T H_E = SE*PTEMBER.RALLY.!
H_E.R*E WE GO AGAI_N!
T_H E MAR*KET IS AB*OUT TO P_O'P , A*N+D SO IS = E*X'M.T.!
Tic,k: E.X,M,T
Firm : EXCHA-N_GE M*OBILE T+E-L*E (Othe+r = O*T-C :=20 E*XMT.PK)
5,-day po-tentia,l: 0+.-4'0
A s'k*: 0*.*1*0 (_+_25.00%) (.U P TO 2_5*% in = 1 d,a.y+)
N'o,t o.n-l,y d.o*e+s t*h_i s f_i-r_m h'a*v+e = gr,eat=20 fundamen,t,als,
b*u_t g,etting t.h.i s opport,u*nity at t.h.e = righ t=20 t.ime, ri.ght be fore t h e rall y is w h*a*t m akes t*h-i+s d*e,a,l so = s_weet!
T*h*i*s a gre_at oppor',tunity to at l'east = dou-ble up!
G e+t*s or s*e.t_s t-h'e n*e+w structur* e to = w-hich to=20 co*nvert.
T-h_i*s is t h-e s a,m+e d,a.t e f'ormat as = re.turne+d=20 by D_a t e,.
W_h.a't t_h-i.s m eans is t h'a t wh ile = a.g-gregation=20 is a powe*,rful, e*fficient-, a_n_d reco.mmend.ed w*a_y to r_euse C*O-M=20 obje+ct.s, it is curren-tl.y sup+porte.d o_n.l-y f*o+r i_n--process = C'O-M=20 object's.
A,l,l d a*y l.o-n.g t'here is t.h'e sm-ell of = powde+r=20 a_n*d p'u'n k a n'd t.h e g.o l+d d'u*s*t f_r'o*m t*h+e brigh+t r+e-d = wrap,pe*rs=20 sti,cks to y-o-u'r fi'ngers.
Lette_rs h.a,d b+e-e+n writte.n.
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7E1B0.01099F50-- From Dudack@buero-weidlich.de Sat Aug 18 10:47:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMPZw-0007XT-JS for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:47:04 -0400 Received: from pafsr1.policlinico.ba.it ([195.60.155.10]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMPZu-00085s-So for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:47:04 -0400 Received: by 10.201.3.79 with SMTP id aciMteUxuDhoR; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:47:02 +0200 (GMT) Received: by 192.168.24.218 with SMTP id XDhUFjdRteGTSr.9143655751497; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:47:00 +0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <000401c7e1a6$a0815640$0a9b3cc3@meduroluni12> From: "leoe Dudack" To: Subject: Ivan considered the situation. Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:46:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7E1B7.640A2640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 7fa173a723009a6ca8ce575a65a5d813 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7E1B7.640A2640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable T.H+E B+I*G O'N*E B*EFORE T_H,E SEPTE*MBE.R.RALLY! H_E+R-E WE GO AG-AIN! T'H*E MA_RKET IS ABO,UT TO P*O'P*, A'N+D SO IS E*X*M+T'! Ti-ck: E+X'M-T Fi_rm: EX'CHA'NGE MO BILE T-E-L'E (Oth'er O_T*C-: EXMT.P-K) 5,-day pot'enti-al: 0..-4_0 A-s+k.: 0,.+1_0 (,+25.00%-) ( U-P TO 2 5,% in 1 d*a.y.) N*o+t o'n.l*y d+o*e's t.h,i's f+i-r*m h+a_v.e grea-t fu*n-damentals, b*u,t getti.ng t+h-i's oppor,tu+nity at t,h.e ri_ght ti+me, r.ight = befor'e t'h-e ral.ly is w_h+a-t make s t*h.i-s d'e-a.l so sw eet! T,h-i,s a g*reat opp'ortu nity to at lea+st d-ouble up! W h.e+n y,o u ent'er t+e*x,t i.n_t.o the-se fiel*ds, a st ring tab+le = entr*y w*i+l_l be automati.call'y cr.eated. D'a'r*r Ve+ter w*alked o'v.e-r to o.n+e cor_ner wher_e t_h-e = tr-ansparen_t pa*rt+ition w+a s b-lackene*d f*r_o.m fl,oor to ce'iling = a-n_d w_i t,h an e+a-s,y m*ove-ment open*ed t.w-o sh_u_tters in a pane*l = of po.lishe.d w'o o_d'. T_h'a t tho ught b-rought h e*r to a h*a_l+t,. T*h.a't w.a's mark'ed on t-h'e p+l'a,n'. T h i-s is d*u.e to be impro.v'ed in a futu're rel,ease of Ma+jordomo . ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7E1B7.640A2640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
T.H+E B+I*G O'N*E B*EFORE T_H,E = SEPTE*MBE.R.RALLY!
H_E+R-E WE GO AG-AIN!
T'H*E MA_RKET IS ABO,UT TO P*O'P*, A'N+D SO IS = E*X*M+T'!
Ti-ck: E+X'M-T
Fi_rm: EX'CHA'NGE MO BILE T-E-L'E (Oth'er = O_T*C-:=20 EXMT.P-K)
5,-day pot'enti-al: 0..-4_0
A-s+k.: 0,.+1_0 (,+25.00%-) ( U-P TO 2 5,% in = 1 d*a.y.)
N*o+t o'n.l*y d+o*e's t.h,i's f+i-r*m h+a_v.e = grea-t=20 fu*n-damentals,
b*u,t getti.ng t+h-i's oppor,tu+nity at t,h.e = ri_ght=20 ti+me, r.ight befor'e t'h-e ral.ly is w_h+a-t make s t*h.i-s d'e-a.l so = sw eet!
T,h-i,s a g*reat opp'ortu nity to at lea+st = d-ouble up!
W h.e+n y,o u ent'er t+e*x,t i.n_t.o the-se = fiel*ds, a=20 st ring tab+le entr*y w*i+l_l be automati.call'y cr.eated.
D'a'r*r Ve+ter w*alked o'v.e-r to o.n+e = cor_ner wher_e=20 t_h-e tr-ansparen_t pa*rt+ition w+a s b-lackene*d f*r_o.m fl,oor to = ce'iling=20 a-n_d w_i t,h an e+a-s,y m*ove-ment open*ed t.w-o sh_u_tters in a pane*l = of=20 po.lishe.d w'o o_d'.
T_h'a t tho ught b-rought h e*r to a h*a_l+t,. =
T*h.a't w.a's mark'ed on t-h'e p+l'a,n'. =
T h i-s is d*u.e to be impro.v'ed in a futu're = rel,ease=20 of Ma+jordomo .
------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7E1B7.640A2640-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sat Aug 18 19:38:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMXs6-0000BF-TU; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:38:22 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMXs5-0005MA-IF; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:38:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IMXjb-0005y0-N1 for namedroppers-data@psg.com; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:29:35 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.1 Received: from [130.105.36.66] (helo=cirrus.av8.net) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IMXjZ-0005xa-2s for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:29:34 +0000 Received: from [130.105.12.10] ([130.105.12.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by cirrus.av8.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l7INTLPs003623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:29:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:29:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Dean Anderson X-X-Sender: dean@citation2.av8.net To: Mark Andrews cc: Edward Lewis , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3lafur_Gu=F0mundsson_=2FDNSEXT_chair?= , Subject: Re: forgery-resilience recommendations section In-Reply-To: <200708170136.l7H1aoXq068041@drugs.dv.isc.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-id: DNSEXT discussion X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 On Fri, 17 Aug 2007, Mark Andrews wrote: > > Linux's port allocation gives you the same port unless the > previous port is still open in which case you get n+1. This > really is sub-optimal for UDP as get all sorts of garbage > destined for the previous user of the port. This is a problem for linux kernel lists. Use the source, Luke. Fix it. This is a good time to point out the 'random port selection' isn't often really random, and can also be arbitrarilly reduced by getting 64K UDP ports opened until the possible number of possible ports for the next DNS request is narrowed to a small number of ports or even just one port. I'll leave it to you to think of a way to get all but one UDP port opened so that you can just spoof the id in the DNS packet to one UDP port. Not that random port selection is a completely bad idea, but it isn't the total panacea that it appears to be under the ideal conditions. TCP is better because you have 64k ports as well as sequence numbers that need to be right over several packets for a successful spoof. 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GJuxGhuxCQAAOw== ------=_NextPart_10A_B1E3_6B935AFD.58879C77-- From BifengPettypiece@Ignatoff.com Sun Aug 19 07:32:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMj1A-0005dD-68 for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 07:32:28 -0400 Received: from [83.147.168.20] (helo=ip-83-147-168-20.crk.metro.digiweb.ie) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IMj19-0007Z5-DM for dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 07:32:28 -0400 Received: from WEFR by Ignatoff.com with ASMTP id 11D04D53 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:33:26 +0100 Received: from WEFR ([126.187.155.126]) by Ignatoff.com with ESMTP id B5F1621D8FFC for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:33:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c7e254$b0dc3420$14a89353@WEFR> From: "Bifeng Pettypiece" To: Subject: The ones who want to be warriors, instead, join one of the warrior societies, Far Dareis Mai, the Maidens of the Spear, and fight right alongside the men. Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:32:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7E25D.12A09C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 287c806b254c6353fcb09ee0e53bbc5e ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7E25D.12A09C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H+E R*E WE GO AGA,IN! T'H-E B+I'G O.N'E BEF,ORE T,H.E SEPTEMB*ER.R,ALLY! T*H E M_ARKET IS ABO,UT TO P*O P', A N+D SO IS E'X.M+T,! Tick.: E'X'M,T 5-da-y po tent_ial: 0 ._4.0 Fir m: EXCHA,NG+E MO_BILE T.E.L-E (,Other O-T+C_: EXMT*.PK) A+s+k+: 0..'1.0 (+_25.,00%) UP TO 2,5*% in 1 day N-o.t o.n.l-y d o.e*s t.h*i.s f i'r-m h*a'v+e g,reat fundame+ ntals, b.u-t ge'tting t_h.i's op_.portunity at t_h_e righ,t t i m_e', rig,ht befo_re t.h+e ral,ly is w h.a,t ma_kes t-h'i*s d'e.a,l so s.weet! = T+h_i.s a gre-at opportuni*t_y to at l.east do*uble up! Y.o_u know+, jok_+ing's n*o-t my li_ne- So I ju*mped rig'ht on h_i,s = s'pine. Jo'natha*n L ivingst'on Se+agull lov.ed to f-l+y+. T_h,e o'n,e t.h+a.t is writte.n l+a+s-t w.i'l.l overw'rit-e t-h-e othe r = o*n'e*, resu'lti.ng in l-o.s+s of ch,anges. Pr_eli.minary testin*g perfor'me d at Tok+yo T e-c.h clea rly dem+onst = rated S-un's abil ity to del'iver t.h_e f'astest s'upercompute*r = outsid-e t,h'e Uni,ted Sta+tes as mea,sur,ed by sustai-'ned = perf'ormanc,e usin g t'h-e ind'.ustry stan*da_rd L'inpack B-enchma.rk. Y,o-u k*now, jokin g_'s n'o+t my line*- So I jump.ed r_ight on h,i_s = spine*. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C7E25D.12A09C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H+E R*E WE GO AGA,IN!
T'H-E B+I'G O.N'E BEF,ORE T,H.E = SEPTEMB*ER.R,ALLY!
T*H E M_ARKET IS ABO,UT TO P*O P', A N+D SO IS = E'X.M+T,!
Tick.: E'X'M,T
5-da-y po tent_ial: 0 ._4.0
Fir m: EXCHA,NG+E MO_BILE T.E.L-E (,Other = O-T+C_:=20 EXMT*.PK)
A+s+k+: 0..'1.0 (+_25.,00%) UP TO 2,5*% in 1 = day
N-o.t o.n.l-y d o.e*s t.h*i.s f i'r-m h*a'v+e = g,reat=20 fundame+ ntals,
b.u-t ge'tting t_h.i's op_.portunity at t_h_e = righ,t t i=20 m_e',
rig,ht befo_re t.h+e ral,ly is w h.a,t ma_kes = t-h'i*s=20 d'e.a,l so s.weet!
T+h_i.s a gre-at opportuni*t_y to at l.east = do*uble up!
Y.o_u know+, jok_+ing's n*o-t my li_ne- So I = ju*mped=20 rig'ht on h_i,s s'pine.
Jo'natha*n L ivingst'on Se+agull lov.ed to = f-l+y+.
T_h,e o'n,e t.h+a.t is writte.n l+a+s-t = w.i'l.l=20 overw'rit-e t-h-e othe r o*n'e*, resu'lti.ng in l-o.s+s of ch,anges. =
Pr_eli.minary testin*g perfor'me d at Tok+yo T = e-c.h=20 clea rly dem+onst rated S-un's abil ity to del'iver t.h_e f'astest=20 s'upercompute*r outsid-e t,h'e Uni,ted Sta+tes as mea,sur,ed by = sustai-'ned=20 perf'ormanc,e usin g t'h-e ind'.ustry stan*da_rd L'inpack B-enchma.rk. =
Y,o-u k*now, jokin g_'s n'o+t my line*- So I = jump.ed=20 r_ight on h,i_s spine*.
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:59:07 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2BC.EDFC4350" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 2857c5c041d6c02d7181d602c22822c8 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2BC.EDFC4350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable H,E R.E WE GO AGAIN.! T,H_E B*I-G O'N'E BE FORE T H.E S_E_PTEMBER.RALLY! T H'E MARKE.T IS AB,OUT TO P*O*P., A,N-D SO IS E-X+M'T ! Tic'k: E.X M+T 5*-day potentia.l*: 0,.'4*0 Fir,m: E-XCH.ANGE MOBI_LE T,E+L.E (O_ther O+T.C+: E,XMT.PK) A,s,k : 0*.'1.0 (+2 5.00'%) UP TO 2+5.% in 1 day N'o*t o_n'l.y d'o-e s t_h_i+s f_i-r*m h*a*v,e grea't fu*n damentals, b+u+t gett_ing t-h.i-s oppo-rtunit_y at t'h_e ri+ght t i*m*e+, righ.t b efore t*h*e rall,y is w'h'a,t make_s t-h-i-s d+e+a,l so swe-et! = T'h*i_s a gre*at opportun'i*ty to at leas t d ouble up! P.e.r.l (-i*l*i dru goi scrip'tovy'i yaz+yk) ide+alx*noe res'he-nie = pot-omu c,h't-o cross-platformennostx reshaets_.ya legk*o (+p_roduction = b.a+z*a bezhi_t na Solar-,ke). O n.l.y f o*r m*o s_t of th-em, it w+a+s t*h-e w'rong cras_h. T*h+e p'ros_pect didn*'t ap_peal to m*e*, b_u,t I thoug+ht I shoul+d s = e+t a g_o.o d example,. T'h'e flo,odli.ghts w,e-r,e e,quip+ped w,i*t*h speci al fi_lte.rs, so = t*h,a t th*eir l.ight w-a's stran+g-e, k-i-n+d of ash,en white+. A,n-d the n, the-n-- a*n'd Dun-can in the*ir tr,acks. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7E2BC.EDFC4350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
H,E R.E WE GO AGAIN.!
T,H_E B*I-G O'N'E BE FORE T H.E = S_E_PTEMBER.RALLY!
T H'E MARKE.T IS AB,OUT TO P*O*P., A,N-D SO IS = E-X+M'T !
Tic'k: E.X M+T
5*-day potentia.l*: 0,.'4*0
Fir,m: E-XCH.ANGE MOBI_LE T,E+L.E (O_ther = O+T.C+:=20 E,XMT.PK)
A,s,k : 0*.'1.0 (+2 5.00'%) UP TO 2+5.% in 1 = day
N'o*t o_n'l.y d'o-e s t_h_i+s f_i-r*m h*a*v,e = grea't=20 fu*n damentals,
b+u+t gett_ing t-h.i-s oppo-rtunit_y at t'h_e = ri+ght t=20 i*m*e+,
righ.t b efore t*h*e rall,y is w'h'a,t make_s = t-h-i-s=20 d+e+a,l so swe-et!
T'h*i_s a gre*at opportun'i*ty to at leas t d = ouble up!
P.e.r.l (-i*l*i dru goi scrip'tovy'i yaz+yk) = ide+alx*noe=20 res'he-nie pot-omu c,h't-o cross-platformennostx reshaets_.ya legk*o=20 (+p_roduction b.a+z*a bezhi_t na Solar-,ke).
O n.l.y f o*r m*o s_t of th-em, it w+a+s t*h-e = w'rong=20 cras_h.
T*h+e p'ros_pect didn*'t ap_peal to m*e*, = b_u,t I=20 thoug+ht I shoul+d s e+t a g_o.o d example,.
T'h'e flo,odli.ghts w,e-r,e e,quip+ped w,i*t*h = speci al=20 fi_lte.rs, so t*h,a t th*eir l.ight w-a's stran+g-e, k-i-n+d of ash,en = white+.
A,n-d the n, the-n-- a*n'd Dun-can in the*ir = tr,acks.=20
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RFC 5001 Title: DNS Name Server Identifier (NSID) Option Author: R. Austein Status: Standards Track Date: August 2007 Mailbox: sra@isc.org Pages: 11 Characters: 23754 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-dnsext-nsid-02.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5001.txt With the increased use of DNS anycast, load balancing, and other mechanisms allowing more than one DNS name server to share a single IP address, it is sometimes difficult to tell which of a pool of name servers has answered a particular query. While existing ad-hoc mechanisms allow an operator to send follow-up queries when it is necessary to debug such a configuration, the only completely reliable way to obtain the identity of the name server that responded is to have the name server include this information in the response itself. This note defines a protocol extension to support this functionality. [STANDARDS TRACK] This document is a product of the DNS Extensions Working Group of the IETF. 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To recap, the case I'm talking about here is a recursive server keeping (say) 16 open query source ports, randomly choosing one for each outgoing query regardless of which authoritative server is being queried, and changing the set of open ports from time to time. The reason I wouldn't say that changing the set of open ports "adds entropy" is that I think the term "entropy" should be reserved for information that the attacker has no way of finding out short of guessing. The query ID and the random choice among the 16 open ports both fall into that category, but the set of open ports doesn't, because the attacker can trick the server into revealing it through queries to an authoritative server under the attacker's control. On a more practical level, whether you call it "entropy" or not, you are of course correct that having to determine the set of open ports adds to the total effort the attacker has to expend. The question then is, is this added effort significant? At least in the case of a small number of ports, I don't think it is. For example, if I did the math right, making 100 queries for names in a domain under the attacker's control will fully reveal the set of 16 source ports with a probability of 97.5%. Compared to the amount of traffic needed to successfully attack those 16 ports once they have been found out, 524,288 packets on average, those 100 queries are a drop in the bucket. > I still like my idea of always using the same port for a given host, and > perhaps changing that port over time, but not using all available ports > for a given host. That way, an attacker really has to work at getting > the port range, rather than just sending some number of queries and > getting most/all of them. Sure, it's hiding data and doesn't guarantee > an advantage, but it does raise the bar. With a mere 20 bits (16 ports > and 16 bit id) any bar-raising seems good. It moves the needed probes > from number of queries before all ports are known to number of IP > addresses (under an attacker's control) needed before all ports are known. I think this is an interesting approach, and different enough that my analysis above doesn't necessarily apply to it. Though I'm not sure I like the idea of a defense that protects against the little guy while offering little protection against corporations and governments who control large IP address spaces. Anyway, don't get me wrong here: as far as the standards process goes, I'm not trying to advocate or discourage any specific methods of spoofing defense. 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With the massive amount of spam, it is easy to miss and therefore delete relevant posts by non-subscribers. Please fix your subscription addresses. ] At Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:06:24 -0400, Edward Lewis wrote: > So, let me propose that we document that there is a need for more > bits of unpredictability based on the calculations already in the > draft. An open question to me is to specify a number, I mean, others > will have a far better idea than I so I won't suggest a number and > will go along with any consensus. As far as how the "extended > unpredictability" is implemented is probably left best to the code > writers with maybe some hints in the document - but let's avoid > ratholing on anything that isn't needed for interoperability. I agree on this point. It sounds too much to me for a protocol specification to specify a countermeasure that is pretty implementation-dependent, especially with an RFC2119 keyword, such as this one: Implementations SHOULD be configurable to use one or multiple ports for queries. JINMEI, Tatuya Communication Platform Lab. 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