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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 4986

        Title:      Requirements Related to DNS Security 
                    (DNSSEC) Trust Anchor Rollover 
        Author:     H. Eland, R. Mundy,
                    S. Crocker, S. Krishnaswamy
        Status:     Informational
        Date:       August 2007
        Mailbox:    heland@afilias.info, 
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                    steve@shinkuro.com,  suresh@sparta.com
        Pages:      11
        Characters: 22647
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-dnsext-rollover-requirements-04.txt

        URL:        http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4986.txt

Every DNS security-aware resolver must have at least one Trust Anchor
to use as the basis for validating responses from DNS signed zones.
For various reasons, most DNS security-aware resolvers are expected
to have several Trust Anchors.  For some operations, manual
monitoring and updating of Trust Anchors may be feasible, but many
operations will require automated methods for updating Trust Anchors
in their security-aware resolvers.  This document identifies the
requirements that must be met by an automated DNS Trust Anchor
rollover solution for security-aware DNS resolvers.  This memo provides information for the Internet community.

This document is a product of the DNS Extensions
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        Title:      Automated Updates of DNS Security 
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        Author:     M. StJohns
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        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-dnsext-trustupdate-timers-06.txt

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Hi,

last year I wrote an I-D describing a way to use RSA/SHA256 DNSKEYs and
RRSIGS for DNSSEC. The group consensus was that it wasn't needed at the
time and the draft expired.

Today I have been asked to revive it, since people are phasing out
SHA-1, and I am willing to do that. So I have a few questions for the group;

Do descriptions of new algorithms fit the new charter of DNSEXT?

And if so, is the group willing to take up work on this?

If so, I'll submit it again and we can start discussing some of the
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Jelte Jansen wrote:
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> last year I wrote an I-D describing a way to use RSA/SHA256 DNSKEYs and
> RRSIGS for DNSSEC. The group consensus was that it wasn't needed at the
> time and the draft expired.
> 
> Today I have been asked to revive it, since people are phasing out
> SHA-1, and I am willing to do that. So I have a few questions for the group;
> 
> Do descriptions of new algorithms fit the new charter of DNSEXT?
> 
> And if so, is the group willing to take up work on this?
> 
> If so, I'll submit it again and we can start discussing some of the
> finer points of the draft.
> 
> Jelte Jansen
> NLnet Labs

To add to this - I'm one of the folks looking to revive the draft. 
There is a push to migrate from the use of SHA-1 in some crypto usages* 
to the use of SHA-256 by 2010.  Since RSA/SHA-1 is the only mandatory to 
implement algorithm for RRSIGs, and no SHA-256 option, this makes 
deployment difficult in the .gov TLD.

I'm willing to work with Jelte to get the draft moving.

Scott

*I'm no crypto expert, but I've been told by those that are that TSIG 
using HMAC-SHA1 is still fine beyond 2010, but use of SHA-1 to generate 
RRSIGs and NSEC3 hashed names might be a problem.

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At 14:53 11/09/2007, Jelte Jansen wrote:
>Hi,
>
>last year I wrote an I-D describing a way to use RSA/SHA256 DNSKEYs and
>RRSIGS for DNSSEC. The group consensus was that it wasn't needed at the
>time and the draft expired.
>
>Today I have been asked to revive it, since people are phasing out
>SHA-1, and I am willing to do that. So I have a few questions for the group;
>
>Do descriptions of new algorithms fit the new charter of DNSEXT?

depends on how you read the charter :-)
Yes, this is fine as this is a straight forward specification needed to keep
up with the times.

NO, because this is new work causing interoperabilty issues.


>And if so, is the group willing to take up work on this?

This proposed work needs to pass one of the following thresholds:
#1 Sufficient number WG members say this is important and needed
#2 Security Area Director(s) tells us this is going to be needed soon
         thus we need to specify now in order for code to be deployed.


>If so, I'll submit it again and we can start discussing some of the
>finer points of the draft.
Expired version:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-rsasha256-01
         Olafur


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Jelte Jansen wrote on 09/11/2007 08:53:13 PM:

> Hi,
> 
> last year I wrote an I-D describing a way to use RSA/SHA256 DNSKEYs and
> RRSIGS for DNSSEC. The group consensus was that it wasn't needed at the
> time and the draft expired.
> 
> Today I have been asked to revive it, since people are phasing out
> SHA-1, and I am willing to do that. So I have a few questions for the 
group;
> 
> Do descriptions of new algorithms fit the new charter of DNSEXT?

I guess it fits, but in any case, I think it is good to revive this draft. 


> And if so, is the group willing to take up work on this?

You have my vote.

> If so, I'll submit it again and we can start discussing some of the
> finer points of the draft.

Bring it on :-)

Roy

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Hello Olafur,


Allow me to turn 'pain in the butt' :-)

On 11Sep 2007, at 9:51 PM, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT chair wrote:

>
> NO, because this is new work causing interoperabilty issues.
>

I do not understand what you mean. DNSSEC-bis has been build with =20
protocol agility in mind. There will be operational "interoperability =20=

issues" in the sense that resolvers need an upgrade to recognize the =20
new protocol as secure, but that is not a protocol problem; we knew =20
that.

> This proposed work needs to pass one of the following thresholds:
> #1 Sufficient number WG members say this is important and needed
>
agreed.
For the 'running code part': this message acts as a commitment to =20
implement this in the DNSSEC related software that NLnet Labs produces.


> #2 Security Area Director(s) tells us this is going to be needed soon
>         thus we need to specify now in order for code to be deployed.

Hmmm... I would think that given the time it would take for the new =20
implementation to percolate into deployed resolvers the argument one =20
would not like to make this a 'last minute' job. Given that there =20
seems to be a clear operational requirement (.gov by 2010, --- I =20
realize that you may not have seen that when you wrote your response) =20=

I think the SA thumbs up is not that relevant. Early involvement of =20
the SA is off course important but I am not sure if that should be a =20
threshold for bringing new work in general and in particular when =20
there is a clear requirement from the industry.


--Olaf


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NLnet Labs
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Reading this message over I may sound more political than technical but that
is intentional to be facilitate discussions in the working group on an issue
that is not just technical but also tactical.

At 04:02 12/09/2007, Olaf M. Kolkman wrote:

>Allow me to turn 'pain in the butt' :-)

Et tu, Olaf ;-)

On 11Sep 2007, at 9:51 PM, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT chair wrote:


>>NO, because this is new work causing interoperabilty issues.
>
>I do not understand what you mean. DNSSEC-bis has been build with
>protocol agility in mind. There will be operational "interoperability
>issues" in the sense that resolvers need an upgrade to recognize the
>new protocol as secure, but that is not a protocol problem; we knew
>that.

Fair point,
The question more accurately is
          "when do we want this interoperabilty problem ?"
         in the next 2 years or in 5 years ?

>>This proposed work needs to pass one of the following thresholds:
>>#1 Sufficient number WG members say this is important and needed
>agreed.
>For the 'running code part': this message acts as a commitment to
>implement this in the DNSSEC related software that NLnet Labs produces.

Good, +1 for adopting this work?

>>#2 Security Area Director(s) tells us this is going to be needed soon
>>         thus we need to specify now in order for code to be deployed.
>
>Hmmm... I would think that given the time it would take for the new
>implementation to percolate into deployed resolvers the argument one
>would not like to make this a 'last minute' job. Given that there
>seems to be a clear operational requirement (.gov by 2010, --- I
>realize that you may not have seen that when you wrote your response)
>I think the SA thumbs up is not that relevant. Early involvement of
>the SA is off course important but I am not sure if that should be a
>threshold for bringing new work in general and in particular when
>there is a clear requirement from the industry.

Well the point is:
         when there is sufficient security concern "we need to jump"
         like we did with DS SHA2 specification.

I know there is are groups that want to phase out SHA1 soon, but for the
record they need to speak up. I as chair need backing before trying to
convince AD that this is needed, given that the new WG charter aim is to:
         defend DNS against further enhancements of questionable value.

Speaking as chair the picture I want to present to the world is:
         "DNSSEC specification work has reached an end, deploy!!!"

So the tactical question is:
         will RSA/SHA265 work item cause confusion, i.e. that DNSSEC
         protocol is not done?

We know that RSA/SHA256 is maintenance work but what will the
outside world see?

         Olafur


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Ólafur Guðmundsson /DNSEXT chair wrote:
> Reading this message over I may sound more political than technical but 
> that
> is intentional to be facilitate discussions in the working group on an 
> issue
> that is not just technical but also tactical.
> 
> 
> Well the point is:
>         when there is sufficient security concern "we need to jump"
>         like we did with DS SHA2 specification.
> 
> I know there is are groups that want to phase out SHA1 soon, but for the
> record they need to speak up. I as chair need backing before trying to
> convince AD that this is needed, given that the new WG charter aim is to:
>         defend DNS against further enhancements of questionable value.
> 
As mentioned before, the US gov't IT is one of those groups.  The aim is 
to transition from the use of SHA-1 to the use of SHA-256 in all 
protocols.  Seeing the use of SHA-1 with no SHA-256 option give some 
people a reason not to deploy in the .gov domain.

> Speaking as chair the picture I want to present to the world is:
>         "DNSSEC specification work has reached an end, deploy!!!"
> 
> So the tactical question is:
>         will RSA/SHA265 work item cause confusion, i.e. that DNSSEC
>         protocol is not done?
> 
> We know that RSA/SHA256 is maintenance work but what will the
> outside world see?
> 
I may be naive, but I'd like to think that most people would recognize 
"working on transition of crypto algorithms" as maintenance work and not 
a sign that DNSSEC is still not fully cooked.  I hope I'm right ;)

Other applications have had to make similar transitions from weaker to 
stronger security features.

Scott

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Ha ha!

I suspected that "Who controls the process controls the outcome" was the 
untold motto among some wg chairs.

On a technical perspective, the interoperability question reveal a 
"small" difficulty in having concurrently a mandatory algorithm and an 
optional-and-most-recommended one. Although envisioned early in DNSSEC 
design, such configuration is perhaps not currently well supported in 
resolver software, secure delegation provisioning systems, and the like. 
So, the small difficulty lies in the operational aspects -- i.e. outside 
of dnsext I guess.

My main point is: I don't think Ólafur can control the understanding of 
DNSSEC by "the world". But yes, he might act in ways that delay adoption 
of RSA/SHA256.

Perhaps a better service should be offered to those who whish to advance 
the DNSSEC protocol suite in a direction that was clearly envisioned, 
and now in demand. Please just handle the IETF process smoothly.

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Olaf wrote:
>
>> Allow me to turn 'pain in the butt' :-)

Ogud responded:
>
> Et tu, Olaf ;-)
>

LOL

(...)

>> For the 'running code part': this message acts as a commitment to
>> implement this in the DNSSEC related software that NLnet Labs  
>> produces.
>
> Good, +1 for adopting this work?
>

Yep, in fact putting my (or better Lab's) money, where my mouth is,  
to make sure it gets implemented too and is not just a paper exercise.

>>> #2 Security Area Director(s) tells us this is going to be needed  
>>> soon
>>>         thus we need to specify now in order for code to be  
>>> deployed.
>>
>> Hmmm... I would think that given the time it would take for the new
>> implementation to percolate into deployed resolvers the argument one
>> would not like to make this a 'last minute' job. Given that there
>> seems to be a clear operational requirement (.gov by 2010, --- I
>> realize that you may not have seen that when you wrote your response)
>> I think the SA thumbs up is not that relevant. Early involvement of
>> the SA is off course important but I am not sure if that should be a
>> threshold for bringing new work in general and in particular when
>> there is a clear requirement from the industry.
>
> Well the point is:
>         when there is sufficient security concern "we need to jump"
>         like we did with DS SHA2 specification.
>
> I know there is are groups that want to phase out SHA1 soon, but  
> for the
> record they need to speak up. I as chair need backing before trying to
> convince AD that this is needed, given that the new WG charter aim  
> is to:
>         defend DNS against further enhancements of questionable value.
>

fair enough... in that sense a message from the SA about the value of  
migrating from SHA1 to SHA256 might help to build an argument (either  
way).


> Speaking as chair the picture I want to present to the world is:
>         "DNSSEC specification work has reached an end, deploy!!!"
>
> So the tactical question is:
>         will RSA/SHA265 work item cause confusion, i.e. that DNSSEC
>         protocol is not done?
>
> We know that RSA/SHA256 is maintenance work but what will the
> outside world see?

I share the concern the perception of the 'outside world'. Seems  
we've need to do our best to explain that this _is_ maintenance work  
that will _need_ to happen one time or another.




--Olaf

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I have no opinion on whether this work item should be adopted.

But, if this goes forward, I'd like to suggest splitting the DNSSEC=
 algorithm registry into a keytype registry and a signature type registry. =
=20

[>>> I'd also like to suggest redefining the algorithm octet in the RRSIG=
 record into a combination of a hash type and sig type but given the=
 definition currently includes 3 high-number values (252-254) it may not be=
 doable - at least easily.  ]

Instead of requiring specifically SHA256 - suggest instead as requiring the=
 complete SHA2 suite - which includes the complete set of hashes covering=
 224, 256, 384 and 512 bits.

Also suggest defining at least two EC signature methods as standards at the=
 224 or 256 levels in this go around as well. =20


[Continuing on the idea of splitting the algorithm byte - assign the upper 4=
 bits as hash type as follows:
  0 - SHA1
  1 - MD5
  2 - SHA224
  3 - SHA256
  4 - SHA384
  5 - SHA512

deprecate alg 1 - RSA/MD5 - replace it with the combined value hash:1/alg=
 (RSA): 5 -> 21
that makes RSA/SHA224 - 37, RSA/256 -> 53,  RSA384-> 69 and RSA/512 ->85,=
 EC/SHA224 -> 36, EC/SHA256 -> 52, and EC/SHA1 is 4 as currently defined
]


At 13:46 9/12/2007, Scott Rose wrote:
>=D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT chair wrote:
>>Reading this message over I may sound more political than technical but=
 that
>>is intentional to be facilitate discussions in the working group on an=
 issue
>>that is not just technical but also tactical.
>>
>>Well the point is:
>>        when there is sufficient security concern "we need to jump"
>>        like we did with DS SHA2 specification.
>>I know there is are groups that want to phase out SHA1 soon, but for the
>>record they need to speak up. I as chair need backing before trying to
>>convince AD that this is needed, given that the new WG charter aim is to:
>>        defend DNS against further enhancements of questionable value.
>As mentioned before, the US gov't IT is one of those groups.  The aim is to=
 transition from the use of SHA-1 to the use of SHA-256 in all protocols. =
 Seeing the use of SHA-1 with no SHA-256 option give some people a reason=
 not to deploy in the .gov domain.
>
>>Speaking as chair the picture I want to present to the world is:
>>        "DNSSEC specification work has reached an end, deploy!!!"
>>So the tactical question is:
>>        will RSA/SHA265 work item cause confusion, i.e. that DNSSEC
>>        protocol is not done?
>>We know that RSA/SHA256 is maintenance work but what will the
>>outside world see?
>I may be naive, but I'd like to think that most people would recognize=
 "working on transition of crypto algorithms" as maintenance work and not a=
 sign that DNSSEC is still not fully cooked.  I hope I'm right ;)
>
>Other applications have had to make similar transitions from weaker to=
 stronger security features.
>
>Scott
>
>>        Olafur
>>
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> At 14:53 11/09/2007, Jelte Jansen wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >last year I wrote an I-D describing a way to use RSA/SHA256 DNSKEYs and
> >RRSIGS for DNSSEC. The group consensus was that it wasn't needed at the
> >time and the draft expired.
> >
> >Today I have been asked to revive it, since people are phasing out
> >SHA-1, and I am willing to do that. So I have a few questions for the=20
group;
> >
> >Do descriptions of new algorithms fit the new charter of DNSEXT?

I hope so.

>=20
> >And if so, is the group willing to take up work on this?

Working on this has my support.

>=20
> This proposed work needs to pass one of the following thresholds:
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I do.

BTW - I agree with Michael StJohns that we should consider requiring the=20
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	"Nubia" <ospf-archive@lists.ietf.org>,
	"Doreen Walker" <kink-archive@lists.ietf.org>,
	"Hwa" <l1vpn-request@lists.ietf.org>,
	"Dung Snyder" <p2prg-archive@lists.ietf.org>
Subject: Believe it
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:09:44 -0100
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Can an implementation silently ignore ENDS0 on query?

RFC2671 says implementation that does not support EDNS is expected to
return one of the following RCODEs: FORMERR, NOTIMPL, SERVFAIL

Implementation that supports ENDS will return an OPT record in the
additional section.

Q1: If the answer to an OPT question does not contain
any of the RCODES above and NO OPT record is that compliant ?

Q2: Does it make a difference if the answer is larger than 512 bytes
before the OPT record is added ?  (question advertises size of 2048)

	Olafur



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> Q1: If the answer to an OPT question does not contain
> any of the RCODES above and NO OPT record is that compliant ?

good question.  the intent of this framer was that it wouldn't be compliant.

> Q2: Does it make a difference if the answer is larger than 512 bytes
> before the OPT record is added ?  (question advertises size of 2048)

no.  EDNS is a protocol, and requests are to be answered definitively.  in
practical terms, requestors who receive a useful answer that doesn't include
an OPT will probably still accept and use it.  but OPT should be answered by
OPT or an error code, and technically, a response without an OPT is undefined
if the request had an OPT, and in that case, a new request could be sent
without an OPT (falling back to unextended DNS).

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On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 12:35:05PM -0400, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote:

> Q1: If the answer to an OPT question does not contain
> any of the RCODES above and NO OPT record is that compliant ?

Compliant to what?  The EDNS0 RFC clearly cannot rule the behaviour of
non-EDNS-aware implementations, that's why it says "expected to send a response
with RCODE NOTIMPL, FORMERR, or SERVFAIL". This would not make sense as
normative text, it is just meant to give the reasoning for why the "EDNS first"
strategy won't hurt.  However, a server implementation could possibly just
ignore the additional OPT RR in the additional data section of the query
and respond as usual.  At least a quick scan didn't reveal a requirement
in 1034/35 that a query must have ARCOUNT==0. So, with the already too often
stretched robustness principle applied, the response is OK.

> Q2: Does it make a difference if the answer is larger than 512 bytes
> before the OPT record is added ?  (question advertises size of 2048)

There's no explicit text in RFC 2671 that requires the responding party
to announce the use of the additional features that would work without the
OPT RR (e.g., >512 octet payload, extended label types).  However, there's
some indication that the spirit of the document was to do exactly that:
4.5.4. suggests you can probe for the other party's EDNS capabilities,
which is only useful if the responding server does not (can be expected not to)
hide. So, "yes", it makes a difference.

-Peter

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> 
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> Can an implementation silently ignore ENDS0 on query?

	There are implementations that don't attempt to read the
	additional section.  They silently ignore EDNS.

> RFC2671 says implementation that does not support EDNS is expected to
> return one of the following RCODEs: FORMERR, NOTIMPL, SERVFAIL

	The key thing here is that you get a reply.  I don't believe
	RFC 1034 allows of non-replies.   There is no point in having
	FORMERR in RFC 1034 if a implemention is allowed to drop
	responses.

> Implementation that supports ENDS will return an OPT record in the
> additional section.

	Correct.

> Q1: If the answer to an OPT question does not contain
> any of the RCODES above and NO OPT record is that compliant ?

	The server is not RFC 2671 compliant if it fails to add the
	OPT record.  This is how UPDATE clients can work out how
	big a UPDATE message they can send of UDP.
 
> Q2: Does it make a difference if the answer is larger than 512 bytes
> before the OPT record is added ?  (question advertises size of 2048)

	No.
 
> 	Olafur
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Dear Colleagues

So far I have counted in support:
Jelte Jansen (ed.), Olaf Kolkman, Scott Rose, Roy Arends, John Dickinson.

Mike StJohns wants to use this as an opportunity to rationalize
how new hashes are added to existing Signature Algorithms.
Mike also raises the issue of truncated SHA-256 hashes.

Other posters did not express support or argue against adopting
the work, are there others that have an opinion on the adoption of
this work please speak up before Oct 1'st 2007.

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At 10:01 -0400 9/24/07, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT chair wrote:
>Other posters did not express support or argue against adopting
>the work, are there others that have an opinion on the adoption of
>this work please speak up before Oct 1'st 2007.

Ok, I'll ask...but I don't have an opinion (yet).

Somewhere recently Olafur (the Chair) said:

>NO, because this is new work causing interoperabilty issues.

And later in response to a query for clarification:

>The question more accurately is
>          "when do we want this interoperabilty problem ?"
>         in the next 2 years or in 5 years ?

What are the "interoperability issues"/"this=20
interoperability problem"?  Why was this bounced=20
before (please don't respond with a "go look at=20
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My presumption is that there's no problem=20
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Ólafur Guðmundsson /DNSEXT  chair wrote:

> Dear Colleagues
>
> So far I have counted in support:
> Jelte Jansen (ed.), Olaf Kolkman, Scott Rose, Roy Arends, John Dickinson.

Add one more vote. I said (speaking only for myself) several years ago 
that we would be better off getting the pain out of the way sooner (the 
exact words I used were "before DNSSEC is widely adopted," which seemed to 
ruffle feathers at the time) than later, since SHA-1 will probably be 
"broken" in our lifetime, and SHA-256 probably will not. To clarify my 
position further, I think support for SHA-256 should be mandatory.

> Mike StJohns wants to use this as an opportunity to rationalize
> how new hashes are added to existing Signature Algorithms.
> Mike also raises the issue of truncated SHA-256 hashes.

I agree with Mike that it would be good to have a more general mechanism 
for adding hashes, etc. I don't think that mandating support for the 
truncated SHA-256 hashes is a good idea, but I'm ambivalent about making 
it optional. My gut feeling is that limiting the problem set to just full 
SHA-256 would be a good way to add functionality without sacrificing 
meaningful flexibility, but I wouldn't argue strenuously against adding 
more hashes.

> Other posters did not express support or argue against adopting
> the work, are there others that have an opinion on the adoption of
> this work please speak up before Oct 1'st 2007.

hth,

Doug

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At 11:18 24/09/2007, Edward Lewis wrote:
>At 10:01 -0400 9/24/07, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT chair wrote:
>>Other posters did not express support or argue against adopting
>>the work, are there others that have an opinion on the adoption of
>>this work please speak up before Oct 1'st 2007.
>
>Ok, I'll ask...but I don't have an opinion (yet).
>
>Somewhere recently Olafur (the Chair) said:
>
>>NO, because this is new work causing interoperabilty issues.
>
>And later in response to a query for clarification:
>
>>The question more accurately is
>>          "when do we want this interoperabilty problem ?"
>>         in the next 2 years or in 5 years ?
>
>What are the "interoperability issues"/"this=20
>interoperability problem"?  Why was this bounced=20
>before (please don't respond with a "go look at=20
>the archives" - the archives aren't very user friendly).
>
>My presumption is that there's no problem=20
>defining the new algorithm as an individual=20
>document, I don't understand the issue upon which I should form an opinion.


Sorry for not always being crystal clear in my writing.

One of the issues raised when the chairs asked about adopting this document
(a year and a half ago) was that some members of the WG wanted as few as
possible combinations for algorithm selection while DNSSEC was/is
being rolled out.

Start of thread:
http://psg.com/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2006/msg00613.html

Summary of discussion:=20
http://psg.com/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2006/msg00723.html

It is for the WG members to use their best judgement, how the possible
security or interoperabilty issues affect their support or opposition
to this work item. As a chair all I can to is to point out the
relevant issues that I think they should be aware before answering
the question.

         Olafur

PS: As some conspiracy inclined people think I'm biased ,in this case,
I will only count the opinions that are posted to the list, or
are cc'ed to a neutral third party, any volunteer?


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I support reviving RSA/SHA256. I believe we should also think about =
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hash algorithm, and possibly truncation, but I wouldn't do it by =
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Dear Colleagues

So far I have counted in support:
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Dickinson.

Mike StJohns wants to use this as an opportunity to rationalize
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On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 10:01:47AM -0400, Ólafur Guðmundsson /DNSEXT chair wrote:
> 
> Dear Colleagues
> 
> So far I have counted in support:
> Jelte Jansen (ed.), Olaf Kolkman, Scott Rose, Roy Arends, John Dickinson.
> 
> Mike StJohns wants to use this as an opportunity to rationalize
> how new hashes are added to existing Signature Algorithms.
> Mike also raises the issue of truncated SHA-256 hashes.
> 
> Other posters did not express support or argue against adopting
> the work, are there others that have an opinion on the adoption of
> this work please speak up before Oct 1'st 2007.
> 
>         Olafur

	i support this.  Mike has valid concerns tht should be addressed
	but i would do that as other work.

--bill

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Donald Eastlake wrote on 09/24/2007 05:00:46 PM:

> I support reviving RSA/SHA256. I believe we should also think about 
> extending to an orthogonal specification of the public key algorithm, 
> hash algorithm, and possibly truncation, but I wouldn't do it by 
> splitting the current octet. Perhaps the first octet of the 
> "signature" specifying the hash algorithm.

Specifying the hash algorithm in the signature will cause signed message 
to be downgradeable to unsigned. It is trivial to send the victim a 
signature with a yet unspecified hash type, causing the validator to treat 
the message as unsigned. The validator could treat the message as bogus, 
but that way, we can't gracefully introduce new hash types.

The main thing to keep in mind with DNSKEY algorithm agility is that it 
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downgrade. Hence we could actually specify it somewhere in the dnskey 
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we're back to verifiable. 

On the whole, though, this gets very nasty very quick.

It seems that signature algorithms get rolled less than hash-algorithms, 
and with sha2 we seem to be able to run again for a few years. I don't 
think we will run out of space really soon. If we keep the current sig-alg 
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to from RSA to NEW, that we need to specify it with sha1.

Just my thoughts.

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On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:00 AM, roy@nominet.org.uk wrote:
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> The main thing to keep in mind with DNSKEY algorithm agility is  
> that it needs to be verifiable unknown, so that the validator can  
> safely downgrade. Hence we could actually specify it somewhere in  
> the dnskey record, for instance the "Public Key" field. We have  
> agility back, since the DS record digest field contains a hash over  
> the DNSKEY record, and we're back to verifiable.

Protecting against downgrade attack offers justification to support a  
WG draft that clarifies how a DNSSEC algorithm is to be safely  
upgraded.  This work should not focus only on SHA-256.

One would hope such changes will not become so frequently as to  
justify signature and hash fields now be treated separately.  Such an  
approach may make specification of supported signature and hash  
combinations difficult to determine, and will increases the size of  
responses indicating the supported algorithm.  The current strategy  
keeps overhead to a minimum.

Once the draft protecting against a DNSSEC downgrade attacks is in  
place, then create a draft that details SHA-256 use.  Once the  
downgrade attack draft has been accepted, any draft changing the the  
signature algorithm can focus on just the specifics of the algorithm.

I would support a two draft approach.

-Doug

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> So far I have counted in support:
> Jelte Jansen (ed.), Olaf Kolkman, Scott Rose, Roy Arends, John Dickinson.

add me.

> Mike StJohns wants to use this as an opportunity to rationalize
> how new hashes are added to existing Signature Algorithms.
> Mike also raises the issue of truncated SHA-256 hashes.

opposed.  rationalizing dnssec would make no sense.  we can burn additional
algid's for quite a few years, many of which will have the same signature
alg but a different hash alg as an existing algid, before we run out of
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Douglas Otis wrote on 09/25/2007 07:03:36 PM:

> 
> On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:00 AM, roy@nominet.org.uk wrote:
> >
> > The main thing to keep in mind with DNSKEY algorithm agility is 
> > that it needs to be verifiable unknown, so that the validator can 
> > safely downgrade. Hence we could actually specify it somewhere in 
> > the dnskey record, for instance the "Public Key" field. We have 
> > agility back, since the DS record digest field contains a hash over 
> > the DNSKEY record, and we're back to verifiable.
> 
> Protecting against downgrade attack offers justification to support a 
> WG draft that clarifies how a DNSSEC algorithm is to be safely 
> upgraded.  This work should not focus only on SHA-256.
>
> One would hope such changes will not become so frequently as to 
> justify signature and hash fields now be treated separately.  Such an 
> approach may make specification of supported signature and hash 
> combinations difficult to determine, and will increases the size of 
> responses indicating the supported algorithm.  The current strategy 
> keeps overhead to a minimum.
> 
> Once the draft protecting against a DNSSEC downgrade attacks is in 
> place, then create a draft that details SHA-256 use.  Once the 
> downgrade attack draft has been accepted, any draft changing the the 
> signature algorithm can focus on just the specifics of the algorithm.
> 
> I would support a two draft approach.

I don't think we need a 'downgrade attack' draft per se. Maybe we should 
"clarify" algorithm agility, and the concept of "verifiably unknown" 
(apologies for my lack of better wording), in an informational brief.

Though vfy unknown is never specified explicitly in the dnssec drafts, the 
concept is used in both the nsec3 draft and the experiments draft. The 
concept is well known, and is the only way to bypass DNSSEC's "bogus" 
state from the view of older validators encountering newly deployed 
algorithms.

Roy

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At 22:59 +0200 9/25/07, roy@nominet.org.uk wrote:

>Though vfy unknown is never specified explicitly in the dnssec drafts, the
>concept is used in both the nsec3 draft and the experiments draft. The
>concept is well known, and is the only way to bypass DNSSEC's "bogus"
>state from the view of older validators encountering newly deployed
>algorithms.

 From this it sounds like we need quite a bit of documentation on the 
topic.  NSEC3 and the experiments work are by far the least mature 
parts of DNSSEC (given that the mainstream has already appeared in 
three RFC sets, etc.) and I would venture that the fine details are 
well known by those working on NSEC3 and less well studied by those 
(like me) that have not been developing NSEC3.

(I'm not sure if NSEC3/Experiments are the cause of the discussion or 
just happen to be the work that uncovered the issue.)

I am questioning if the "concept" is "well known" in the sense that 
"does a large group of people understand it satisfactorily well" (as 
opposed to a small group of people deeply comprehending it)?
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* Jelte Jansen:

> last year I wrote an I-D describing a way to use RSA/SHA256 DNSKEYs and
> RRSIGS for DNSSEC. The group consensus was that it wasn't needed at the
> time and the draft expired.

I strongly doubt that SHA256 is the final word in the sense that it
will last longer than 2010 or so.  But the RSA/SHA256 revival probably
helps to test *buzz* algorithm agility.

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Edward Lewis wrote on 09/26/2007 12:12:16 AM:

> At 22:59 +0200 9/25/07, roy@nominet.org.uk wrote:
> 
> >Though vfy unknown is never specified explicitly in the dnssec drafts, 
the
> >concept is used in both the nsec3 draft and the experiments draft. The
> >concept is well known, and is the only way to bypass DNSSEC's "bogus"
> >state from the view of older validators encountering newly deployed
> >algorithms.
> 
>  From this it sounds like we need quite a bit of documentation on the 
> topic.  NSEC3 and the experiments work are by far the least mature 
> parts of DNSSEC (given that the mainstream has already appeared in 
> three RFC sets, etc.) and I would venture that the fine details are 
> well known by those working on NSEC3 and less well studied by those 
> (like me) that have not been developing NSEC3.
> 
> (I'm not sure if NSEC3/Experiments are the cause of the discussion or 
> just happen to be the work that uncovered the issue.)

NSEC3/Experiments makes use of the language in RFC 4035 that allows for 
this kind of extendability. 

In a sense, an algorithm upgrade or protocol extention needs to be 
possible without the current deployed infrastructure being unusable. 

> I am questioning if the "concept" is "well known" in the sense that 
> "does a large group of people understand it satisfactorily well" (as 
> opposed to a small group of people deeply comprehending it)?

Yeah, I was overstating that. What I should have said is that the concept 
is not new. It would be good if something is written about this.

I'll leave it to the WG chair to gain consensus if this is work the WG 
should/wants-to do. 

Roy

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At 10:01 -0400 9/24/07, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT
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>Dear Colleagues
>
>So far I have counted in support:
>Jelte Jansen (ed.), Olaf Kolkman, Scott Rose, Roy Arends, John Dickinson.

I think the work should be (re)written up.  I=20
looked at the retired draft and would suggest=20
that in somewhere it suggest that if a validator=20
is able to make the choice between hashes, it=20
chooses the strongest one.  (What if the strong=20
fails and the weak fails? - discuss...)

Given that the group is alleged to be moribund,=20
this work could be just individual except for the=20
face that the WG bounced this before it died.=20
Not sure what the ethical answer is here - and=20
what does it mean for the WG to now give it a=20
go-ahead?

>Mike StJohns wants to use this as an opportunity to rationalize
>how new hashes are added to existing Signature Algorithms.
>Mike also raises the issue of truncated SHA-256 hashes.

I'd like to see that written up before passing=20
judgement - the hundred flowers sense.

>Other posters did not express support or argue against adopting
>the work, are there others that have an opinion on the adoption of
>this work please speak up before Oct 1'st 2007.

=46rom what I gather from crypto experts, crypto=20
has a short half-life.  There are going to be=20
needs to update crypto stuff well into the=20
future.  So, do we keep a  WG on life support for=20
this?  Or do we just say "go ahead and build, use=20
the IANA registry to record the definitions" as=20
the protocol "framework" is done?  Is the right=20
answer from the WG's grave to "go forth and=20
multiply, tell IANA, we've taken care of all the=20
other rules already?"  Or does the WG have to=20
process and stamp all of this?

BTW, what's up with the RFC2929bis?
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At 10:01 9/24/2007, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT wrote:
>Mike StJohns wants to use this as an opportunity to rationalize
>how new hashes are added to existing Signature Algorithms.
>Mike also raises the issue of truncated SHA-256 hashes.

Actually, what I suggested was including the complete set of SHA2 hashes -=
 not just SHA256.  I believe that's different from "truncated hashes".  NIST=
 has specified how hash strengths should be paired with key strengths for=
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> At 10:01 -0400 9/24/07, =D3lafur Gu=F0mundsson /DNSEXT
>   chair wrote:
> >Dear Colleagues
> >
> >So far I have counted in support:
> >Jelte Jansen (ed.), Olaf Kolkman, Scott Rose, Roy Arends, John Dickinson.
> 
> I think the work should be (re)written up.  I=20
> looked at the retired draft and would suggest=20
> that in somewhere it suggest that if a validator=20
> is able to make the choice between hashes, it=20
> chooses the strongest one.  (What if the strong=20
> fails and the weak fails? - discuss...)

	DNSSEC already answers that.  If any signature matches then
	then the answer validates.
 
> Given that the group is alleged to be moribund,=20
> this work could be just individual except for the=20
> face that the WG bounced this before it died.=20
> Not sure what the ethical answer is here - and=20
> what does it mean for the WG to now give it a=20
> go-ahead?
> 
> >Mike StJohns wants to use this as an opportunity to rationalize
> >how new hashes are added to existing Signature Algorithms.
> >Mike also raises the issue of truncated SHA-256 hashes.
> 
> I'd like to see that written up before passing=20
> judgement - the hundred flowers sense.
> 
> >Other posters did not express support or argue against adopting
> >the work, are there others that have an opinion on the adoption of
> >this work please speak up before Oct 1'st 2007.
> 
> =46rom what I gather from crypto experts, crypto=20
> has a short half-life.  There are going to be=20
> needs to update crypto stuff well into the=20
> future.  So, do we keep a  WG on life support for=20
> this?  Or do we just say "go ahead and build, use=20
> the IANA registry to record the definitions" as=20
> the protocol "framework" is done?  Is the right=20
> answer from the WG's grave to "go forth and=20
> multiply, tell IANA, we've taken care of all the=20
> other rules already?"  Or does the WG have to=20
> process and stamp all of this?
> 
> BTW, what's up with the RFC2929bis?
> -- 
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This update is really only changing a few typos, and wording to describe the
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At 9:35 +1000 9/27/07, Mark Andrews wrote:

>>  chooses the strongest one.  (What if the strong=20
>>  fails and the weak fails? - discuss...)
>
>	DNSSEC already answers that.  If any signature matches then
>	then the answer validates.

But local policy always trumps what "DNSSEC" says.  Perhaps it would 
be good to recommend a local policy (or new default policy) that says 
something like "distrust when a higher powered protection says no bt 
a weaker says yes" when defining a higher crypto-bar.

Remember that the policy for "DNSSEC" was written my DNS protocol 
folks, not necessarily by folks with a deep understanding of the 
cryptographic arms race condition of that kind of software.  I'm not 
saying but I'm just saying...
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> >>  chooses the strongest one.  (What if the strong=20
> >>  fails and the weak fails? - discuss...)
> >
> >	DNSSEC already answers that.  If any signature matches then
> >	then the answer validates.
> 
> But local policy always trumps what "DNSSEC" says.  Perhaps it would 
> be good to recommend a local policy (or new default policy) that says 
> something like "distrust when a higher powered protection says no bt 
> a weaker says yes" when defining a higher crypto-bar.
> 
> Remember that the policy for "DNSSEC" was written my DNS protocol 
> folks, not necessarily by folks with a deep understanding of the 
> cryptographic arms race condition of that kind of software.  I'm not 
> saying but I'm just saying...

	Leave this change to local policy.  We have reasonable default
	rules.  If we recommend a new policy default then everyone has
	to go implement it.

	Add new algorithms is relatively easy compared to adding new
	policy knobs.

	Mark
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Colleagues,

Below is a mail from Mats Sufberg, its part of a thread on the DNSSEC  
deployment list (http://mail.shinkuro.com:8100/Lists/dnssec- 
deployment/).

The background to this story is that a popular implementation started  
shipping code that sets the AD bit on validated responses even though  
the DO bit was not set on the query. These answers are getting stuck  
in the filters of popular DSL modems. The result being that data from  
secured zones would not be resolved.

The case is made that when there is a trust relation between the stub  
resolver and the validating nameserver you do not need to have all  
the DNSSEC information that you receive when you set the DO bit. On  
the other hand it was observed that a resolving nameserver should not  
just set bits in query headers without being instructed to do so.

The suggestion is that the AD bit is used in the query to signal the  
readiness to deal with AD bits in the answer.

I think its a fine idea and would support such text in  draft-ietf- 
dnsext-dnssec-bis-updates.

If folk think this needs an I-D then I'd be willing to edit it.

--Olaf



On 27Sep 2007, at 9:51 AM, <Mats.Dufberg@teliasonera.com> wrote:

>> From: DNSSEC deployment
>> [mailto:dnssec-deployment@shinkuro.com] On Behalf Of Mark Andrews
>> Sent: den 27 september 2007 08:48
> (...)
>>> On 27 sep 2007, at 00.41, Mark Andrews wrote:
>>>
>>>> 	As AD is only supposed to be used where you trust the server
>>>> 	could we use AD itself to signal that we want AD to be set in
>>>> 	the response when DO is not set.
>>>
>>> if you can set AD, why not set DO and just ignore the
>> signatures in
>>> the response? that's how we do it in the stand-alone
>> implementation
>>> of getrrsetbyname() used by OpenSSH-portable.
>>>
>>> 	jakob
>>
>> 	Why ask for more than you need?
>
> Either of the two solutions would probably work. The lesson we should
> learn from the broadband router problem is that a DNSsec enhanced
> nameserver (resolving or hosting) should behave just like a non-DNSsec
> nameserver unless being asked to include DNSsec information.
>
> The AD flag in query has no other meaning and could be interpreted as
> "Authentication check Desired".
>
>





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On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 10:25:57AM +0200, Olaf M. Kolkman wrote:
> The background to this story is that a popular implementation started  
> shipping code that sets the AD bit on validated responses even though  
> the DO bit was not set on the query. These answers are getting stuck  
> in the filters of popular DSL modems. The result being that data from  
[..]
> >Either of the two solutions would probably work. The lesson we should
> >learn from the broadband router problem is that a DNSsec enhanced
> >nameserver (resolving or hosting) should behave just like a non-DNSsec
> >nameserver unless being asked to include DNSsec information.

In fact, it should behave exactly like BIND 8 or 9:
http://blog.netherlabs.nl/articles/2006/04/13/the-general-mediocrity-of-the-world
(skip a bit past the rant to 'Go read the RFC already').

Compression is now mandatory, 0xc00c means 'start of answer' to the people
who build residential equipment that deals with DNS...

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On 28Sep 2007, at 12:03 AM, Mark Andrews wrote:

>
>> The background to this story is that a popular implementation started
>> shipping code that sets the AD bit on validated responses even though
>> the DO bit was not set on the query. These answers are getting stuck
>> in the filters of popular DSL modems. The result being that data from
>> secured zones would not be resolved.
>
> 	Note this was legal to do back in 1999 when DNSSEC was first
> 	released.
>

That is noted, I think that the behavior then made sense, just as it  
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Unfortunately we are only seeing deployment 8 years later and now the  
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> On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 10:25:57AM +0200, Olaf M. Kolkman wrote:
> > The background to this story is that a popular implementation started  
> > shipping code that sets the AD bit on validated responses even though  
> > the DO bit was not set on the query. These answers are getting stuck  
> > in the filters of popular DSL modems. The result being that data from  
> [..]
> > >Either of the two solutions would probably work. The lesson we should
> > >learn from the broadband router problem is that a DNSsec enhanced
> > >nameserver (resolving or hosting) should behave just like a non-DNSsec
> > >nameserver unless being asked to include DNSsec information.
> 
> In fact, it should behave exactly like BIND 8 or 9:
> http://blog.netherlabs.nl/articles/2006/04/13/the-general-mediocrity-of-the-w
> orld
> (skip a bit past the rant to 'Go read the RFC already').
> 
> Compression is now mandatory, 0xc00c means 'start of answer' to the people
> who build residential equipment that deals with DNS...
 
	Which just means we should use DNAME more often. :-)

	Start of answer is not 0xc00c with DNAME even using
	compresssion.

	Why do they reverse engineer a freely available published
	specfication?

> 	Bert
> 
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Mark Andrews asks:

> 	Why do they reverse engineer a freely available published
> 	specfication?

Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.
(c) Friedrich von Schiller (1801)

But maybe the question was rhetorical ... :-)

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Referring to:

At 16:15 -0400 9/26/07, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2672bis-dname-05.txt

1) Second paragraph of section 1...because I find the phrase "a DNAME 
from example.com to example.net" to be colloquial and a bit confusing 
I am proposing this as a strawman replacement:

# Take for example, looking through a zone (see RFC 1034, section 4.3.2,
# step 3) for the domain name "foo.example.com" and a DNAME resource record
# is found at "example.com" indicating that all queries under "example.com"
# be directed to "example.net".  The lookup process will return to step 1
# with the new query name of foo.example.net.  Had the query name been
# "www.foo.example.com" the new query name would be "www.foo.example.net".

2) Later on:

s/Other usage of DNAME lies in/Another usage of DNAME lies in/

or "Other usages" ...

3) In section 2.2

"suffix owner name" is descriptive but not defined.  Perhaps say that 
the portion of the QNAME ending with the root label that matches the 
owner name of the DNAME RR is replaced with the contents of the DNAME 
RR's RDATA.

4) Rewording/punctuation:

s/It is possible for DNAMEs to form loops.  Just like CNAMEs can form/
   It is possible for DNAMEs to form loops, just as CNAMEs can form

5) Section 2.4

Add "See section 5.2 for further restrictions related to dynamic update."

6) Section 3.1

Also add that the server ought to at least burp when trying to add a 
DNAME to a wild card domain name.  (Meta note - when I see "load a 
zone" I always look to see what's said about dynamic update.)

7) Section 3.2

First sentence add "when one is encountered."

8) Later in 3.2

I don't get the comment on "modern resolvers."  What's that based on? 
What's a "modern resolver?"

9) Section 5.3

Getting into NSEC3 is sticky.  First, you don't reference any NSEC 3 
document.  Second, if you do, it'll get this hung up in the RFC 
Editor queue for a few days.  (At least.)  Third, if you talk about 
NSEC3, you need a reference.  Fourth, you don't need to talk about 
it, leave that to the NSEC3 document if and when it comes out.

I don't want to bet against NSEC3, but this document will stand 
better if it doesn't get into a discussion on NSEC3.  Even if we know 
about NSEC3 while writing this.

10) Section 5.3.3.2

I don't get the comment:

    If the query had been cee.example.com as shown above, then this
    answer would have been validated, because 'cee' does not get
    redirected by the DNAME at 'bar'.

Wasn't this a valid Name Error example?  So "this answer would be validated"?

11) As it is now, you are missing a reference to NSEC3.

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Orders For New Porsche Designed Yacht Are Pouring In

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