From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Nov 1 12:29:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37833A67D1; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:29:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.411 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.411 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.698, BAYES_20=-0.74, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jry93aQi6bAd; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:29:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8613A67CF; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:29:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N4gtO-0004of-4N for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:19:14 +0000 Received: from [213.178.172.147] (helo=TR-Sys.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N4gtK-0004oH-Lz for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:19:11 +0000 Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3.2) id AA046856696; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:18:16 +0100 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id VAA14097; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:18:14 +0100 (MEZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200911012018.VAA14097@TR-Sys.de> Subject: Re: [dnsext] A few notes on the IXFR-ONLY draft To: jabley@hopcount.ca Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:18:14 +0100 (MEZ) Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org In-Reply-To: <100ED73C-DD52-431A-B455-882A7D13B888@hopcount.ca> from Joe Abley at Oct "31," 2009 "04:49:52" pm X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: At Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:49:52 +0000, Joe Abley wrote: > On 2009-10-30, at 14:16, Alfred HÎnes wrote: > >> NEW: >> >> | This documents proposes a new QTYPE (Query pseudo RRtype) for the >> | Domain Name System (DNS). IXFR-ONLY is a variant of IXFR (RFC 1995) >> | that allows an authoritative server to incrementally update zone >> | content from another (primary) server without falling back from IXFR >> | to AXFR in case of an SOA Serial mismatch. This way, alternate peers >> | can be contacted more quickly and convergence of zone content may be >> | achieved much faster in important, resilient operational scenarios. > > Your text misses slightly here since you misrepresent the effect of an > "SOA serial mismatch". The generation of an AXFR response to an > inbound IXFR happens for server-specific reasons (most often, you > would expect, because the specific delta requested by the IXFR client > cannot be isolated by the server). > > An SOA mismatch is expected for any kind of transfer; if the SOA of > the zone concerned was identical on both servers then no transfer of > any kind would normally be attempted at all. > > Joe Joe, I didn't say that this strawman text should be the final version. I had introduced the proposal with: >> To give a starting point, here's my proposal for an improved Abstract: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The Abstract can and should not go into all details. I tried to give an idea of what distinguishing conditions call for the solution presented in the draft, in very few words. The main goal should be to help a reader decide if the memo is relevant for him (and to make help friends in the IESG for the matter :-) ). So please feel free to improve the 'management version' of the reasoning; the full details should be in the body of the memo (and they IMO indeed are there!). Alfred. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 2 04:20:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304BF3A6885; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:20:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JuMxmTAeM1wh; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7288C3A67C1; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 04:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N4vmw-0004Da-I6 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:13:34 +0000 Received: from [129.6.16.227] (helo=smtp.nist.gov) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N4vml-0004Cs-Gm for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:13:23 +0000 Received: from WSXGHUB2.xchange.nist.gov (wsxghub2.nist.gov [129.6.18.19]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA2CDBe8021129 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:13:12 -0500 Received: from MBCLUSTER.xchange.nist.gov ([fe80::d479:3188:aec0:cb66]) by WSXGHUB2.xchange.nist.gov ([2002:8106:1213::8106:1213]) with mapi; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:13:06 -0500 From: "Rose, Scott W." To: "namedroppers@ops.ietf.org" Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:13:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-ietf-dnsext-dnskey-registry-fixes-01 editorials Thread-Topic: [dnsext] draft-ietf-dnsext-dnskey-registry-fixes-01 editorials Thread-Index: AcpZgmgz+TgDj4eXQwWDOeQik4Jq5wCM27s+ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: scott.rose@nist.gov Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On 10/30/09 12:59 PM, "Paul Hoffman" wrote: > At 3:54 PM +0100 10/30/09, Alfred =3D?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=3D?=3D wrote: >> Hello again, >> in an attempt to quickly follow up to the most recent versions of >> the active DNS related I-Ds before IETF, I arrived at your draft, >> draft-ietf-dnsext-dnskey-registry-fixes-01. >=20 > Er, draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-registry-fixes-01 >=20 Oops - got that. >> Should the Reference to "FIPS 180-1" in the registry entry #3 >> better be updated to the current version, FIPS 180-3 ? >>=20 >> Similar for "FIPS 186" --> "FIPS 186-3" ? >=20 > As long as the technical details of the algorithms has not changed betwee= n > versions of FIPS document, we should always refer to the -n version. This= is > because NIST usually names the first version without a number. Worse yet,= NIST > does not maintain the URLs for the old documents very well. >=20 The technical details usually do not change - only policy or recommended operations languages changes. I originally just grabbed what was listed in the registry table currently. Thus the out of date versions. Scott >> Should references to FIPS 186[-3] and FIPS 180[-3] be added >> to this section? >>=20 >> For completeness: >> [I-D.ogud-iana-protocol-maintenance-words] now published as RFC 5702! >=20 > No, the references for this doc should only be things that appeared outsi= de of > the proposed registry example. >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Scott Rose NIST scottr@nist.gov ph: +1 301-975-8439 Google Voice: +1-571-249-3671 http://www.dnsops.gov/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From forenames054@93-39-107-140.ip75.fastwebnet.it Tue Nov 3 01:54:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34873A69B4 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:54:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -72.63 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-72.63 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_FAKE_RCVD_LINE_B=5.777, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, J_CHICKENPOX_22=0.6, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JJpdhAvAmDa9 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from 93-39-107-140.ip75.fastwebnet.it (93-39-107-140.ip75.fastwebnet.it [93.39.107.140]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DA43A69B3 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 01:54:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from 93.39.107.140 by reminisce.com.s7b1.psmtp.com; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:54:45 +0100 Message-ID: <01ca5c74$0e224890$8c6b275d@forenames054> From: "hahad" To: Subject: Hello, its just not to late for now. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 3 07:16:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6307728C0E0; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:16:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.662 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.662 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.988, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, J_CHICKENPOX_12=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_51=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_52=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_54=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ki9ngZ6Q7vQw; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:16:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8F528C0CF; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5Ky0-000Ld8-G2 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:06:40 +0000 Received: from [213.178.172.147] (helo=TR-Sys.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5Kxv-000Lck-NA for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:06:36 +0000 Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3.2) id AA059420728; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:05:28 +0100 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id QAA20276; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:05:27 +0100 (MEZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200911031505.QAA20276@TR-Sys.de> Subject: [dnsext] conclusions drawn in draft-wang-dns-inconsis-ncache-00 To: wangzheng@cnnic.cn Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:05:27 +0100 (MEZ) Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: The recent I-D, draft-wang-dns-inconsis-ncache-00, proposes a significant re-interpretation of DNS caching behavior. I seriously doubt that the conclusions drawn in Section 4 of that draft are compatible with the DNS architecture. 1) The DNS is a *loosely* coupled distributed database. There's no guarantee of instantaneous consistency at large between authoritative servers, recursive resolvers, and potential local (stub) caches. 2) Tolerant behavior when facing inconsistencies has always been a major target of DNS protocol specifiations and its implementations. 3) Authoritative servers are responsible for resolving temporary inconsistencies over time, not resolvers. 4) TTL is the basic mechanism to resolve inconsistencies in caches over time. Zone administrators have to decide under operational considerations which TTL values to publish, and in doing so, they enter into some kind of contract with the potential clients to undertake efforts to maintain the correctness of RRsets for the duration of their TTL. That's why important change processes in zones should be started with reducing relevant TTL values to an amount of time that can be guaranteed for the old and new content to be valid. That's "make before break" as a paradigm for good zone administration. 5) Whenever an authoritative server hands out an RRset to a resolver (end system or caching recursive resolver), it equally enters into a contract with its client stating that the authoritative answer is to be regarded as valid for this client, for the TTL value(s) reported in the answer. A recursive caching resolver similarly enters into a contract with its clients when it hands out the (remaining) TTL values for RRsets. 6) There's no mechanism in DNS to "revoke" such contracts. Cached RRsets remain valid for the remaining TTL. RFC 1035 explicitely mentions only TTL expiry as a reason to purge cache entries. You can enter into a new "contract negotiation" by asking an authority again but that does not immediately invalidate previous "contracts". Therefore, IMHO the correct method for dealing with apparent inconsistencies is to let each RRset time out independently and apply the "most specific answer first" principle for cache lookup. In the example in the draft, a cache has unexpired entries for (1) www.example.com IN A NODATA (2) www.example.com IN AAAA 4321:0:1:2:3:4:567:89ab and later receives on a q=MX query: (3) www.example.com IN NXDOMAIN In this case (assuming all validity checks passed), (3) is to be used to construct the answer to the stub resolver whose query had triggered the outbound q=MX query, and if the negative answer is cacheable (as per RFC 2308), (3) is to be cached as well, independently, and will be used to answer queries for any QTYPE (and CLASS=IN) for the given QNAME, with the exception of those that can be matched with (1) and (2), i.e. QTYPE=A and QTYPE=AAAA -- until these cache entries expire. (IIRC, during the FR debate last year it had even be proposed to apply a more stringent caching paradigm, which would cause using cached answer (3) _only_ for answering future queries for the same (q=MX, CLASS=IN, QNAME) tuple.) This strategy also seems to be important from a security and resilience point of view: Letting NXDOMAIN responses expunge existing cache entries would make such reponses much more valuable vehicles for cache poisoning attacks, and it would increase the potential damage resulting from (temporal) operational/administrative errors. Kind regards, Alfred HÎnes. -- +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 3 14:14:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DC53A67A2; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:14:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.284, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_12=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_51=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_52=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_54=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23pF0i+0WJXw; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9833A6A58; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5RXY-000GwW-Mg for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:07:48 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5RXU-000GwA-53 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:07:44 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2963DE601C; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:07:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nA3M7YfZ079845; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:07:35 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911032207.nA3M7YfZ079845@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Cc: wangzheng@cnnic.cn, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews References: <200911031505.QAA20276@TR-Sys.de> Subject: Re: [dnsext] conclusions drawn in draft-wang-dns-inconsis-ncache-00 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:05:27 BST." <200911031505.QAA20276@TR-Sys.de> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:07:34 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message <200911031505.QAA20276@TR-Sys.de>, Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= w rites: > The recent I-D, draft-wang-dns-inconsis-ncache-00, > proposes a significant re-interpretation of DNS caching behavior. > > I seriously doubt that the conclusions drawn in Section 4 of that > draft are compatible with the DNS architecture. > > 1) The DNS is a *loosely* coupled distributed database. > There's no guarantee of instantaneous consistency at large > between authoritative servers, recursive resolvers, and > potential local (stub) caches. > > 2) Tolerant behavior when facing inconsistencies has always been > a major target of DNS protocol specifiations and its > implementations. > > 3) Authoritative servers are responsible for resolving temporary > inconsistencies over time, not resolvers. > > 4) TTL is the basic mechanism to resolve inconsistencies in caches > over time. Zone administrators have to decide under operational > considerations which TTL values to publish, and in doing so, > they enter into some kind of contract with the potential clients > to undertake efforts to maintain the correctness of RRsets for > the duration of their TTL. > That's why important change processes in zones should be started > with reducing relevant TTL values to an amount of time that can > be guaranteed for the old and new content to be valid. That's > "make before break" as a paradigm for good zone administration. > > 5) Whenever an authoritative server hands out an RRset to a resolver > (end system or caching recursive resolver), it equally enters > into a contract with its client stating that the authoritative > answer is to be regarded as valid for this client, for the TTL > value(s) reported in the answer. > A recursive caching resolver similarly enters into a contract > with its clients when it hands out the (remaining) TTL values > for RRsets. > > 6) There's no mechanism in DNS to "revoke" such contracts. > Cached RRsets remain valid for the remaining TTL. > RFC 1035 explicitely mentions only TTL expiry as a reason to > purge cache entries. A cache is free to use other critera to expire records. The only requirement is that the record MUST NOT be used after the TTL expires. > You can enter into a new "contract negotiation" by asking an > authority again but that does not immediately invalidate > previous "contracts". > > Therefore, IMHO the correct method for dealing with apparent > inconsistencies is to let each RRset time out independently and > apply the "most specific answer first" principle for cache lookup. > > In the example in the draft, a cache has unexpired entries for > > (1) www.example.com IN A NODATA > (2) www.example.com IN AAAA 4321:0:1:2:3:4:567:89ab > > and later receives on a q=MX query: > > (3) www.example.com IN NXDOMAIN > > In this case (assuming all validity checks passed), (3) is to be > used to construct the answer to the stub resolver whose query had > triggered the outbound q=MX query, and if the negative answer is > cacheable (as per RFC 2308), (3) is to be cached as well, > independently, and will be used to answer queries for any QTYPE > (and CLASS=IN) for the given QNAME, with the exception of those > that can be matched with (1) and (2), i.e. QTYPE=A and QTYPE=AAAA > -- until these cache entries expire. No, GLUE address records regularly get replaced by NXDOMAINs from the zone. > (IIRC, during the FR debate last year it had even be proposed to > apply a more stringent caching paradigm, which would cause using > cached answer (3) _only_ for answering future queries for the same > (q=MX, CLASS=IN, QNAME) tuple.) > > This strategy also seems to be important from a security and > resilience point of view: > Letting NXDOMAIN responses expunge existing cache entries would > make such reponses much more valuable vehicles for cache poisoning > attacks, and it would increase the potential damage resulting from > (temporal) operational/administrative errors. > Kind regards, > Alfred HÎnes. > > -- > > +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ > | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | > | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | > | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | > +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ > > -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 3 21:21:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817B63A6957; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:21:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 74MCAKNDo8th; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5443A67B5; Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5YCt-000MDK-7l for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:14:55 +0000 Received: from [2a02:760:1002:15::14] (helo=mail.kirei.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5YCp-000MCa-SE for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:14:52 +0000 From: Jakob Schlyter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [dnsext] IETF 76: Root DNSSEC Presentation with Q&A Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:14:43 +0100 Message-Id: <388581B7-698F-4318-8CF9-9632E3192177@kirei.se> To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: I'm happy to invite DNSEXT WG members to the following event: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 15:10-16:10 Room: Castleview 1 Members of the Root DNSSEC Design Team will give a technical presentation about DNSSEC for the root zone, followed by a Q&A session. See you in Hiroshima, Jakob From lordingadrf8@93-46-112-170.ip107.fastwebnet.it Wed Nov 4 03:43:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D40F3A63C9 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:43:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -79.289 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-79.289 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, DOS_OE_TO_MX=2.75, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rsO47jTAdi-n for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from 93-46-112-170.ip107.fastwebnet.it (93-46-112-170.ip107.fastwebnet.it [93.46.112.170]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC0E3A69AF for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:43:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01ca5d4c$6d27c120$aa702e5d@lordingadrf8> From: "hahad" To: Subject: hiya, this must work for you aswell, because it worked out for me. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 10:19:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4797228C106; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:19:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kwNZ7V7Z4H3w; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB7928C10B; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5kLK-000I9h-Ap for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:12:26 +0000 Received: from [129.6.16.227] (helo=smtp.nist.gov) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5kLE-000I6v-9B for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:12:21 +0000 Received: from WSXGHUB2.xchange.nist.gov (wsxghub2.nist.gov [129.6.18.19]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id nA4IC7i4004836 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:12:07 -0500 Received: from MBCLUSTER.xchange.nist.gov ([fe80::d479:3188:aec0:cb66]) by WSXGHUB2.xchange.nist.gov ([2002:8106:1213::8106:1213]) with mapi; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:12:01 -0500 From: "Rose, Scott W." To: "namedroppers@ops.ietf.org" Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:12:04 -0500 Subject: [dnsext] New unofficial versions of drafts Thread-Topic: New unofficial versions of drafts Thread-Index: Acpdek/RMAWEccKRw0m0CZwirKrVwg== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: scott.rose@nist.gov Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: For those jumping on flights and want something to read :) http://www.dnsops.gov/drafts.html Contains unofficial versions of the following drafts: draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2672bis-dname-18.txt draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-registry-fixes-01.txt draft-crocker-dnssec-algo-signal-05.txt draft-ogud-iana-protocol-maintenance-words-01.txt Scott =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Scott Rose NIST scottr@nist.gov ph: +1 301-975-8439 Google Voice: +1-571-249-3671 http://www.dnsops.gov/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 11:04:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705293A69FC; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:04:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.257 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.257 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.482, BAYES_05=-1.11, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CIqo17eBnzBj; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:04:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9440C3A69FA; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:04:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5l5A-000MfG-S5 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:59:48 +0000 Received: from [213.178.172.147] (helo=TR-Sys.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5l55-000Men-Jp for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:59:44 +0000 Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3.2) id AA072851122; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:58:42 +0100 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id TAA24009; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:58:41 +0100 (MEZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> Subject: [dnsext] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:58:41 +0100 (MEZ) Cc: dnsop@ietf.org X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Interesting News! There must be a hidden trick to introduce DNS Jumbograms we just forgot to mention .... In a press article [1] entitled "Root zone changes may shake up Net in Africa", Computerworld wrote: | From January 2010, ICANN will implement DNSSEC -- using a technique | also known as root signing -- on the root zone, which will affect | the performance of the Internet. Currently, queries from domain | servers to the root are 512 kilobytes or less, but DNSSEC will make ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | them larger because it introduces new signatures and keys as part ^^^^^^^^^^^ | of the security features. :-} [1] http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140123/Root_zone_changes_may_shake_up_Net_in_Africa From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 11:13:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FAF3A6A06; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:13:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.226 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.226 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.478, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id glw9VLAWmLFG; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0422F3A6A05; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5lF0-000NgL-7a for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:09:58 +0000 Received: from [192.150.186.11] (helo=fruitcake.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5lEx-000Ng4-2i for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:09:55 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::1] (jack.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU [192.150.186.73]) by fruitcake.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nA4J9rsP005805; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:09:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [dnsext] Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: Nicholas Weaver In-Reply-To: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:09:53 -0800 Cc: Nicholas Weaver , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alfred_H=CEnes?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Question: Have people been able to estimate how large the signed root zone response will be? I'm assuming its below the magic 1500B level for standard queries. Is this correct? Oh, and one thing to watch out for: Some IP stacks I've noticed will set DF on UDP datagrams, if the datagram is too small to require fragmentation onto the local network! Add this to the list of things DNS operators need to watch out for when turning on DNSSEC. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 11:32:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FC128C114; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:32:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.067 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.067 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.872, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XE6r6gCxQSIh; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:31:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930113A69D7; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:31:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5lXL-000POI-VU for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:28:55 +0000 Received: from [198.32.6.68] (helo=vacation.karoshi.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5lXI-000PNq-Uu for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:28:53 +0000 Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by vacation.karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id nA4JRq4t032089; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:27:52 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id nA4JRqMZ032088; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:27:52 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:27:51 +0000 From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com To: Alfred =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F6nes?= Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol Message-ID: <20091104192751.GB31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: cool eh? although I suspect she ment responses. --bill On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 07:58:41PM +0100, Alfred Hvnes wrote: > Interesting News! > > There must be a hidden trick to introduce DNS Jumbograms we just > forgot to mention .... > > > In a press article [1] entitled > "Root zone changes may shake up Net in Africa", > Computerworld wrote: > > | From January 2010, ICANN will implement DNSSEC -- using a technique > | also known as root signing -- on the root zone, which will affect > | the performance of the Internet. Currently, queries from domain > | servers to the root are 512 kilobytes or less, but DNSSEC will make > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > | them larger because it introduces new signatures and keys as part > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > | of the security features. > > > :-} > > > [1] > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140123/Root_zone_changes_may_shake_up_Net_in_Africa > From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 11:32:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCA128C114; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:32:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.092 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.092 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.597, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xsuayMufNDQA; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:32:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1D23A69D7; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5lWB-000PHm-98 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:27:43 +0000 Received: from [198.32.6.68] (helo=vacation.karoshi.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5lW6-000PH9-Mk for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:27:39 +0000 Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by vacation.karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id nA4JQY4t032065; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:26:34 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id nA4JQY0c032064; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:26:34 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:26:34 +0000 From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com To: Nicholas Weaver Cc: Alfred =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=CEnes?= , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol Message-ID: <20091104192634.GA31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 11:09:53AM -0800, Nicholas Weaver wrote: > Question: Have people been able to estimate how large the signed root > zone response will be? > > I'm assuming its below the magic 1500B level for standard queries. Is > this correct? > > Oh, and one thing to watch out for: Some IP stacks I've noticed will > set DF on UDP datagrams, if the datagram is too small to require > fragmentation onto the local network! > > Add this to the list of things DNS operators need to watch out for > when turning on DNSSEC. > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop David Conrad, ICANN maven and one-time IANA manager, posted some numbers from their DNSSEC testbed a month or so back. Responses were just under 1800 bytes. The current deployment plan is to stage things to push out large responses early - prior to having any actual DNSSEC usable data ... ostensibly to flush out DNSmtu problems. --bill From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 11:45:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9A23A67AB; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:45:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.324 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.324 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.451, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hZmAZh3hD5w6; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231673A6782; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5ljn-0000fl-2i for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:41:47 +0000 Received: from [209.85.222.174] (helo=mail-pz0-f174.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5ljk-0000fM-8x for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:41:44 +0000 Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so5280874pzk.32 for ; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:41:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.138.10 with SMTP id l10mr2870478wad.3.1257363702107; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:41:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20091104192634.GA31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> <20091104192634.GA31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:41:42 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol From: Matthew Dempsky To: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com Cc: Nicholas Weaver , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alfred_H=CEnes?= , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:26 AM, wrote: > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The current deployment plan is to stage things to push out= large responses > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0early - prior to having any actual DNSSEC usable data ... = ostensibly to > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0flush out DNSmtu problems. Is this plan to push out large responses indiscriminately, or only in response to queries with DO=3D1? From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 11:46:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F19D3A6905; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:46:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.369 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.321, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T9F8X1kmXUdJ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1BD3A68D4; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5llG-0000pn-D7 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:43:18 +0000 Received: from [192.150.186.11] (helo=fruitcake.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5llD-0000pX-0q for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:43:15 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::1] (jack.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU [192.150.186.73]) by fruitcake.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nA4JhCJ3010360; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:43:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: Nicholas Weaver In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:43:11 -0800 Cc: Nicholas Weaver , bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alfred_H=CEnes?= , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> <20091104192634.GA31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> To: Matthew Dempsky X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Matthew Dempsky wrote: > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:26 AM, > wrote: >> The current deployment plan is to stage things to push out >> large responses >> early - prior to having any actual DNSSEC usable data ... >> ostensibly to >> flush out DNSmtu problems. > > Is this plan to push out large responses indiscriminately, or only in > response to queries with DO=1? Also, has someone done a study what the major recursive resolvers do on response failures from a root? Do they go to another first or do they try a smaller EDNS MTU? From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 12:01:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801393A63D3; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:01:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.527 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.527 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.723, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LY1UV26eh886; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE2F3A68D4; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5lyj-0002kF-Nc for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:57:13 +0000 Received: from [213.178.172.147] (helo=TR-Sys.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5lye-0002jF-DR for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:57:09 +0000 Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3.2) id AA073444569; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:56:09 +0100 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id UAA24191; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:56:08 +0100 (MEZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200911041956.UAA24191@TR-Sys.de> Subject: Re: [dnsext] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol To: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:56:07 +0100 (MEZ) Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20091104192751.GB31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> from "bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com" at Nov "4," 2009 "07:27:51" pm X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Bill Manning wrote: > cool eh? although I suspect she ment responses. > > --bill Yet responses usually did not go *to* the root servers so far. I'm getting confused. :-) :-) Did anybody ever have a prejudice against journalists? -- reconsider, please! :-) Alfred. P.S.: Disclosing that the writer was female seemed politically incorrect to me, so I purposely avoided this detail. > On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 07:58:41PM +0100, Alfred HÎnes wrote: >> Interesting News! >> >> There must be a hidden trick to introduce DNS Jumbograms we just >> forgot to mention .... >> >> >> In a press article [1] entitled >> "Root zone changes may shake up Net in Africa", >> Computerworld wrote: >> >> | From January 2010, ICANN will implement DNSSEC -- using a technique >> | also known as root signing -- on the root zone, which will affect >> | the performance of the Internet. Currently, queries from domain >> | servers to the root are 512 kilobytes or less, but DNSSEC will make >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> | them larger because it introduces new signatures and keys as part >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> | of the security features. >> >> >> :-} >> >> >> [1] >> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140123/Root_zone_changes_may_shake_up_Net_in_Africa > From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 12:07:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E113A68C8; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:07:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.715, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ma5IX2pxhDAr; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B703A67DD; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5m5H-0003nL-AP for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:03:59 +0000 Received: from [198.32.6.68] (helo=vacation.karoshi.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5m5E-0003my-1f for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:03:56 +0000 Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by vacation.karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id nA4K2t4t032398; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:02:55 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id nA4K2sbP032397; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:02:54 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:02:54 +0000 From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com To: Alfred =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F6nes?= Cc: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol Message-ID: <20091104200254.GA32368@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <20091104192751.GB31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> <200911041956.UAA24191@TR-Sys.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200911041956.UAA24191@TR-Sys.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Well - her name was attached to the article, so I didn't think it was inappropriate to mention gender. And no, shes not the first journalist to mangle words or misunderstand, or misrepresent. --bill On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 08:56:07PM +0100, Alfred Hvnes wrote: > Bill Manning wrote: > > > cool eh? although I suspect she ment responses. > > > > --bill > > Yet responses usually did not go *to* the root servers so far. > I'm getting confused. :-) :-) > > Did anybody ever have a prejudice against journalists? > -- reconsider, please! :-) > > Alfred. > > P.S.: Disclosing that the writer was female seemed politically > incorrect to me, so I purposely avoided this detail. > > > > On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 07:58:41PM +0100, Alfred Hvnes wrote: > >> Interesting News! > >> > >> There must be a hidden trick to introduce DNS Jumbograms we just > >> forgot to mention .... > >> > >> > >> In a press article [1] entitled > >> "Root zone changes may shake up Net in Africa", > >> Computerworld wrote: > >> > >> | From January 2010, ICANN will implement DNSSEC -- using a technique > >> | also known as root signing -- on the root zone, which will affect > >> | the performance of the Internet. Currently, queries from domain > >> | servers to the root are 512 kilobytes or less, but DNSSEC will make > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> | them larger because it introduces new signatures and keys as part > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> | of the security features. > >> > >> > >> :-} > >> > >> > >> [1] > >> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140123/Root_zone_changes_may_shake_up_Net_in_Africa > > From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 12:29:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279843A690F; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:29:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Jrx6oJZJGbf; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583BB3A6908; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5mPZ-0006wg-SG for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:24:57 +0000 Received: from [212.9.189.167] (helo=mail.enyo.de) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5mPW-0006w4-Nc for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:24:54 +0000 Received: from deneb.vpn.enyo.de ([212.9.189.177] helo=deneb.enyo.de) by mail.enyo.de with esmtp id 1N5mPJ-00048c-OU; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:24:41 +0100 Received: from fw by deneb.enyo.de with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5mPI-00006H-Uk; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:24:40 +0100 From: Florian Weimer To: Matthew Dempsky Cc: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com, Nicholas Weaver , Alfred =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=CEnes?= , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> <20091104192634.GA31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:24:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Matthew Dempsky's message of "Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:41:42 -0800") Message-ID: <87aaz2rqbb.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: * Matthew Dempsky: > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:26 AM, wrote: >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The current deployment plan is to stage things to push ou= t large responses >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0early - prior to having any actual DNSSEC usable data ...= ostensibly to >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0flush out DNSmtu problems. > > Is this plan to push out large responses indiscriminately, or only > in response to queries with DO=3D1? Eh, the protocol requires that those are sent only with DO=3D1. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 12:33:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1073A682A; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:33:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.443, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m9hoYRWNoK4I; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CAD3A63D3; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5mUj-0007V8-RM for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:30:17 +0000 Received: from [212.9.189.167] (helo=mail.enyo.de) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5mUf-0007Tx-7h for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:30:13 +0000 Received: from deneb.vpn.enyo.de ([212.9.189.177] helo=deneb.enyo.de) by mail.enyo.de with esmtp id 1N5mUc-0004FT-Tc; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:30:11 +0100 Received: from fw by deneb.enyo.de with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5mUc-00008h-BV; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:30:10 +0100 From: Florian Weimer To: Alfred =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F6nes?= Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:30:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> ("Alfred =?iso-8859-1?Q?H?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F6nes=22's?= message of "Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:58:41 +0100 (MEZ)") Message-ID: <87639qrq25.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: * Alfred H=F6nes: > There must be a hidden trick to introduce DNS Jumbograms we just > forgot to mention .... The claims about firewall issues seems dubious to me. It's certainly not the 512 byte limit which is a problem here---I think we've got pretty good empiric evidence that it's not a problem anymore. Several root responses are already larger than 512 bytes, and you can't send mail to AOL or Yahoo if you're behind a firewall that swallows responses larger than 512 bytes. People tend to fix such things, especially if the Internet is a new thing to them and they want to communicate with each other, instead of merely being right and protocol compliant. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 12:58:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BB428C169; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:58:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cMv4cTd1iTth; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CE428C147; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5msP-000AVZ-6Q for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:54:45 +0000 Received: from [212.9.189.167] (helo=mail.enyo.de) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5msL-000AVA-Ij for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:54:41 +0000 Received: from deneb.vpn.enyo.de ([212.9.189.177] helo=deneb.enyo.de) by mail.enyo.de with esmtp id 1N5msA-0004mG-Rx; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:54:31 +0100 Received: from fw by deneb.enyo.de with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N5msA-0000Oc-1s; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:54:30 +0100 From: Florian Weimer To: Nicholas Weaver Cc: Matthew Dempsky , dnsop@ietf.org, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com, Alfred =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=CEnes?= Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Re: Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> <20091104192634.GA31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:54:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Nicholas Weaver's message of "Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:43:11 -0800") Message-ID: <87zl72ovsp.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: * Nicholas Weaver: > Also, has someone done a study what the major recursive resolvers do > on response failures from a root? Do they go to another first or do > they try a smaller EDNS MTU? Note that switching seems beneficial because six roots MTUs clearly support MTUs less than 1500, and seven roots probably don't (from my POV, numbers about a week old). It will be interesting to see if the root ops fix this before or after they've enabled large responses for DO=1. 8-/ From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 15:10:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984063A6A0C; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:10:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.491 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.491 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.108, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uusd-lnjsdMb; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E4D3A684E; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5ots-000MfW-31 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:04:24 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5otn-000MdN-Uj for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:04:19 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA89FE601C; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:04:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nA4N4AX4007738; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:04:11 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911042304.nA4N4AX4007738@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Nicholas Weaver Cc: Matthew Dempsky , bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alfred_H=CEnes?= , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org From: Mark Andrews References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> <20091104192634.GA31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:43:11 -0800." Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:04:10 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message , Nicholas W eaver writes: > > On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Matthew Dempsky wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:26 AM, > > wrote: > >> The current deployment plan is to stage things to push out > >> large responses > >> early - prior to having any actual DNSSEC usable data ... > >> ostensibly to > >> flush out DNSmtu problems. > > > > Is this plan to push out large responses indiscriminately, or only in > > response to queries with DO=1? > > Also, has someone done a study what the major recursive resolvers do > on response failures from a root? Do they go to another first or do > they try a smaller EDNS MTU? You do realise that the roots have been emitting DNS/UDP responses bigger that 512 bytes for ages now. The network did not grind to a halt when that started. It won't grind to a halt when the root is signed. There would be very few networks that NEVER make queries to COM or NET zones and referrals to the COM and NET zones have exceed 512 bytes for a long time now. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 4 16:08:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07223A684F; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:08:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0AuakxZEvK1D; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66EC3A682B; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:08:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5ppR-0002c7-RR for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:03:53 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N5ppN-0002bH-Ul for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:03:49 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E323FE605D; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:03:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nA503jBa008500; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:03:46 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911050003.nA503jBa008500@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Florian Weimer Cc: Alfred =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F6nes?= , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org From: Mark Andrews References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> <87639qrq25.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:30:10 BST." <87639qrq25.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:03:45 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message <87639qrq25.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de>, Florian Weimer writes: > * Alfred H=F6nes: > > > There must be a hidden trick to introduce DNS Jumbograms we just > > forgot to mention .... > > The claims about firewall issues seems dubious to me. It's certainly > not the 512 byte limit which is a problem here---I think we've got > pretty good empiric evidence that it's not a problem anymore. Several > root responses are already larger than 512 bytes, and you can't send > mail to AOL or Yahoo if you're behind a firewall that swallows > responses larger than 512 bytes. People tend to fix such things, > especially if the Internet is a new thing to them and they want to > communicate with each other, instead of merely being right and > protocol compliant. And the protocol says that answers bigger than 512 bytes are legal if EDNS is in use. 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA5DD0.16A9ADC0-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Nov 5 11:44:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3255D3A67D1; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:44:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.977, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id noPSzrRV9KX0; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:44:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786623A6B55; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N688O-0001NE-6O for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:36:40 +0000 Received: from [208.86.224.201] (helo=mail.yitter.info) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N688K-0001Me-Hj for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:36:36 +0000 Received: from crankycanuck.ca (69-196-144-230.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A7B942FE8CDC for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2009 19:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:36:33 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] DNSEXT Working Group status report from Chairs Message-ID: <20091105193632.GH17456@shinkuro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Dear colleagues, This is the DNSEXT Working Group status report from the Chairs. As we did for the meeting in Stockholm, we are undertaking this report on the mailing list rather than at the meeting. Please be aware that, if there are issues you want to have addressed at the meeting and you feel they're not being addressed in this mail, you should not hesitate to raise them. Reminder: contributions to the WG are covered by the "Note Well" statement, which can be found at http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html. 1. DRAFTS PUBLISHED 1. draft-ietf-dnsext-dnsproxy became BCP 152, RFC 5625. Many thanks to Ray Bellis for his work on the draft, and to the WG participants for their reviews. 2. draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-rsasha256 became RFC 5702. Many thanks to Jelte Jansen for his work on this draft, and to the WG participants for their reviews. Yay! for draft completion. Let's do some more! 2. DRAFTS IN OR PAST WG LAST CALL 1. draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost. This draft will be discussed in the meeting. 2. draft-ietf-dnsext-tsig-md5-deprecated. This draft went through WGLC before Stockholm. It's waiting for the shepherd's (Olafur) write-up, but it appears that some changes requested during WGLC require some adjustments to the IANA registry. There is a draft in progress intended to help with this. 3. draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2672bis-dname. This draft had some work that was needed, and there was a plan to advance it to the IESG when another issue cropped up occasioned by work in DNSOP. Happily, we caught it in time. The editors missed the meeting cutoff date, but posted a URL to the mailing list for reference. PLEASE NOTE that the shepherd (Andrew) will inititate a new WGLC for this document, because of the difficulty of coming to a clear consensus on it. _Please_ help. 3. ACTIVE DRAFTS (ordered by number of updates, then alphabetically) 1. draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-bis-updates. We need to come to a consensus once and for all on the issue of ANY versus CLOSEST validation, and then publish this draft. There will be time for discussion on this in Hiroshima. 2. draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0. The Chairs would like at least five volunteers to review the document. In Dublin (!) we had a report that the document was done, so it would be nice to clear it from our plate. 3. draft-ietf-dnsext-dns-tcp-requirements. This draft is part of a major topic discussion in the Hiroshima meeting. 4. draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-alg-allocation. This draft is the result of our request for a volunteer in Stockholm on the basis of discussion of algorithm allocation in that meeting. There is time on the agenda to discuss it in Hiroshima. 5. draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-registry-fixes. This draft is an attempt to clean up some of the registry for DNSKEY. It is inspired by more than one conversation on-list. It is urgently needed, and should be an easy one to review. So if you have thought about contributing to the WG but think you don't have time, this would be a good one to pick. 6. draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc3597-bis. This is intended to advance the unknown RRTYPE to Draft Standard. We've had some review on-list, but it needs a little more. If you're new to the WG and interested in contributing, this is an excellent place to start! 4. EXPIRED DRAFTS draft-ietf-dnsext-axfr-clarify has expired, but the shepherd (Andrew) is assured it is not dead. Alfred Hoenes has offered to help bring it to a close, and current editor Ed Lewis has accepted the help. Look for another version soon. Note that this draft sometimes attracts the attention of someone who purports to operate a more honest DNSEXT mailing list. If you want to discuss the draft, please be careful with your email headers: cross-posting to two lists by some but not all participants tends to make the conversation fracture quite badly. 5. EXPERT REVIEW REQUESTS None. 6. PENDING REQUESTS FOR ADOPTION BY THE WG 1. draft-hoffman-dnssec-ecdsa 2. draft-hoffman-dnssec-dsa-sha2 3. draft-barwood-transport-signal There is a short agenda slot for discussion of these items. WG process rules require that we later have at least 5 reviewers who are willing to state that they have read the document, and that they support its advancement, in order that we send such a document to the IESG as a product of the WG. Therefore, we have a convention that we won't accept a document as a WG item unless there are at least 5, and preferably more, volunteers who say they will read and review the document. Your names will be taken if you volunteer. 7. FOLLOW-UP ITEMS FROM IETF-75 No progress has been made on an effort to integrate draft-wijngaards-dnsext-resolver-side-mitigation, draft-barwood-dnsext-fr-resolver-mitigations, and possibly other ideas. Part of the reason for this was the lukewarm reaction to any option in Stockholm, so the Chairs have not felt a great urgency here. There was adequate support for including things like draft-kerr-ixfr-only-00 in the WG's mandate, so the WG Charter includes the item, "Improving DNS zone synchronization mechanisms". The Chairs ensured the Charter includes "Maintaining a Wiki containing a guide to DNS protocol RFC's", but did not get any further along the path actually to setting this up. (The tools page includes this facility, so it is simply for want of time that we haven't chased this down.) Patrik Faltstrom ruled that the WG's will was both not to add draft-crocker-dnssec-algo-signal at this time, and that it ought to be a WG item in case there comes to be a mechanism for easier addition of DNSKEY algorithms. 8. OTHER WG ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS The WG's mailing list, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, has had a number of somewhat painful failures over the period since Stockholm. Part of the problem is that the services at ops.ietf.org is operated by generous volunteers (including Randy Bush and Rob Austein). Those volunteers have day jobs, and are therefore not standing by when something happens, even thoughthey've been terrifically responsive to our trouble reports. In addition, the software that is used to host the namedroppers mailing list is awkward to administer if you do not have shell access to the host machine, and only one of the Chairs has such access. This makes timely response to trouble a little harder than it otherwise might be The IETF operates mailing list software to run the mailing lists for IETF WGs. Meeting fees go partly to pay for that operation. There's been a certain amount of pressure, but not yet an insistence, from the IESG to move all lists to the IETF-operated systems. We have therefore reluctantly concluded that we need to host the DNSEXT mailing list at the IETF. We are not unaware of the irony of the IETF consolidating its operations using a single platform. Our current plan is to export the subscriber list of namedroppers, and import it into a new list hosted at the IETF servers. We anticipate that the WG's mailing list will be just the WG name at the new server -- that is, dnsext@ietf.org. We will not delete the namedroppers@ops.ietf.org list name, but forward mail sent to that list to the new list. This will mean that the old list name will be available for resurrection when the WG shuts down [yes, yes, I know, but we can all dream --A]. When the cutover happens, the plan is not that everyone gets two copies of every mail, but please be understanding if there are glitches. We do not have an exact timetable for this work, but you should expect to see announcements about it shortly after the Hiroshima meeting. Having discussed this with other WG Chairs, it appears to be a relatively painless process. We are benefitting from being among the "laggards". We are extremely grateful for the long-lasting and continued support from the volunteer operators and administrators of ops.ietf.org. Thank you very much! Respectfully submitted, Andrew (for the Chairs) -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 6 04:04:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CF13A6877; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:04:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.633 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.633 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.874, BAYES_20=-0.74, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_RU=0.595, HELO_MISMATCH_RU=3.1, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KKNeKwLqaQhz; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307793A6A77; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 04:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6NRm-0008PH-7i for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:57:42 +0000 Received: from [87.245.158.60] (helo=mx.cryptocom.ru) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6NRj-0008Os-Un for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:57:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.cryptocom.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4E23EC9A; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:57:36 +0300 (MSK) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cryptocom.ru Received: from mx.cryptocom.ru ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx.cryptocom.ru [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id FjWoxIeXOiqZ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:57:36 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [10.51.22.241] (reedcat.lan.cryptocom.ru [10.51.22.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.cryptocom.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252753EC96; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:57:35 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <4AF40F2F.4000602@cryptocom.ru> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:57:35 +0300 From: Basil Dolmatov User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olafur Gudmundsson/DNSEXT chair CC: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] WGLC: Gost algorithms for DNSSEC References: <200910292314.n9TNEwWe006035@stora.ogud.com> <4AEA98FB.2060303@cryptocom.ru> In-Reply-To: <4AEA98FB.2060303@cryptocom.ru> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050709010800070201090803" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050709010800070201090803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Basil Dolmatov пишет: > >> >> Document note: The document uses in examples an unallocated DNSKEY >> algorithm >> code 249, when this document is issued as an RFC a different code WILL be >> allocated, the only use of this code is for early interoperabilty >> testing. > The example of signature in the current text of the draft will NOT check > with this protocol code. > > If necessary, working examples for protocol code 249 can be supplied. > Attached are working examples for temporary protocol code 249. These examples has been cross-checked between two independent implementations of GOST in DNSSec (by Cryptocom and by NLNetLabs) > dol@ > --------------050709010800070201090803 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-01.txt.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-01.txt.diff" --- draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-01.txt.orig 2009-10-18 19:51:39.000000000 +0400 +++ draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-01.txt 2009-10-30 18:59:19.000000000 +0300 @@ -155,23 +155,24 @@ 2.2. GOST DNSKEY RR Example - Given a private key with the following value: + Given a private key with the following value (the value of GostAsn1 + field is split here into two lines to simplify reading; in the private key + file it must be in one line): Private-key-format: v1.2 Algorithm: {TBA1} (GOST) - GostAsn1: MEUCAQAwHAYGKoUDAgITMBIGByqFAwICIwEGByqFAwICHgEE - IgQgAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA= - - (corresponding to private key value 1) + GostAsn1: MEUCAQAwHAYGKoUDAgITMBIGByqFAwICIwEGByqFAwICHgEEIgQgV/S2FXdM + tzKJBehZvjF4lVSx6m66TwqSe/MFwKSH/3E= V.Dolmatov Expires April 18, 2010 [Page 3] The following DNSKEY RR stores a DNS zone key for example.net - example.net. 86400 IN DNSKEY 256 3 {TBA1} ( AAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABQe - n56cyawiseMj3y1PKTV2Kz9F - WlDfJ9qcmOBx5JGN ) + example.net. 86400 IN DNSKEY 256 3 {TBA1} ( + AADMrbi2vAs4hklTmmzGE3WWNtJ8Dll0u0jq + tGRbNKeJguZQj/9EpGWmQK9hekPiPlzH2Ph6 + yB7i836EfzmJo5LP + ) ; key id = 15820 3. RRSIG Resource Records @@ -209,13 +210,14 @@ Setting the inception date to 2000-01-01 00:00:00 UTC and the expiration date to 2030-01-01 00:00:00 UTC, the following signature - should be created (assuming {TBA1}==249 until proped code is + should be created (assuming {TBA1}==249 until proper code is assigned by IANA) - www.example.net. 3600 IN RRSIG ( A {TBA1} 3 3600 - 20300101000000 20000101000000 9033 example.net. - 96ObOt5gR6Xln8g42w70OZvi6BZoQvLIhrN9F+VBc29mp+ap - DQov1re0hApGenYDd2zLaHecw4H2vnPj0NhhxA== ) + www.example.net. 3600 IN RRSIG A {TBA1} 3 3600 20300101000000 ( + 20000101000000 15820 example.net. + K4sw+TOJz47xqP6685ItDfPhkktyvgxXrLdX + aQLX01mMZbJUp6tzetBYGpdHciAW5RLvHLVB + P8RtFK8Qv5DRsA== ) 4. DS Resource Records @@ -234,8 +236,20 @@ 4.1. DS RR Example - example.net. 3600 IN DS 9033 {TBA1} {TBA2} ( Su0ToNow7Lwex+wqac+cTQ - djJ733qubhan+KqUrselc= ) + For key signing key (assuming {TBA1}==249 until proper code is + assigned by IANA) + + example.net. 86400 DNSKEY 257 3 {TBA1} ( + AAADr5vmKVdXo780hSRU1YZYWuMZUbEe9R7C + RRLc7Wj2osDXv2XbCnIpTUx8dVLnLKmDBquu + 9tCz5oSsZl0cL0R2 + ) ; key id = 21649 + + DS RR will be + + example.net. 3600 IN DS 21649 {TBA1} {TBA2} ( + A8146F448569F30B91255BA8E98DE14B18569A524C49593ADCA4103A + A44649C6 ) 5. Deployment Considerations --------------050709010800070201090803-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 6 13:09:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325EA3A6870; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:09:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.84 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.84 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, J_CHICKENPOX_53=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aldYeXySiRVa; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:09:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CE53A6887; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:09:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6Vxh-00084l-7x for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:03:13 +0000 Received: from [213.178.172.147] (helo=TR-Sys.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6Vxd-00083m-Qp for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:03:10 +0000 Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3.2) id AA088691331; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:02:11 +0100 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id WAA27842; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:02:06 +0100 (MEZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> Subject: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal To: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6@cabernet.tools.IETF.ORG, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:02:05 +0100 (MEZ) X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: The recent I-D, "DNS Extensions to Support IPv4 and IPv6", draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6-02, proposes a new specific QUERY TYPE to pick up A and AAAA RRsets in a single DNS request. This seems to be a specific solution restricted to a narrow, yet frequent, desire / use case. I suggest to expand on this proposal by defining a more versatile and general mechanism that does not need to be changed again should any new 'address' RRtype be defined in the future, and that will have different other use cases for the pickup of 'grouped' RRsets (e.g. TXT records together with PTR records on DNSBL lookups, mail policy TXT RRs together with MX RRs, etc.). This proposal is inspired by similar functionality present in DHCP and an old, expired proposal to allow multiple queries in a single DNS request. It should help save round trips and eliminate the need to specify dedicated additional section processing for some new RR types in the future, saving additional, RR type specific processing logic in authorities and caching resolvers. Rough sketch of the idea: << RR-Group Query >> A new 'Query' RRtype, say "RGRP", is used to request the delivery of an arbitrary set of 'data' RR types, specified in a bitmask -- similar to the one used in NSEC/NSEC3, but handed over in a new EDNS option, say "RGMASK". The semantics I envision for the authority/cache might be sketched as follows: - CLASS-independent. - No Additional Section processing (beyond EDNS). - Any RRset matching (QNAME, QCLASS) with RRtype flagged in RGMASK is returned -- similar to what is done for QTYPE=ANY queries with a virtually restricted "set of interest", but more tightly controlled as follows: - The RGMASK EDNS option is echoed back (iff the answerer understands RGRP and this option). Any bit still set in the echoed bit mask indicates knowledge at the answerer of the corresponding RRset (with no such RR present in the answer signalling per-RRtype selective NODATA); clearing of a bit would indicate lack of knowledge of the corresponding RRset and only be allowed only for cache servers, not for authorities. - It could be considered to use particular flag bit setting(s) to request from a recursive resolver 'exhaustive' behavior, essentially like an authority. Rationale for using an EDNS option: It is expected that responses to RGRP queries are larger and would generally benefit of increased response size. The proposal will only be implemented in "new" DNS software that should support EDNS0 anyway. Kind regards, Alfred HÎnes. -- +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 6 13:26:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882C03A687C; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:26:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.027 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.027 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZCDKeKCRFwOp; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2BA3A6828; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6WDq-0009VU-DS for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:19:54 +0000 Received: from [74.125.92.25] (helo=qw-out-2122.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6WDo-0009V5-KZ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:19:52 +0000 Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so269525qwe.65 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:19:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.1.11 with SMTP id 11mr2672752qad.357.1257542390422; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:19:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:19:50 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal From: Matthew Dempsky To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alfred_H=CEnes?= Cc: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6@cabernet.tools.ietf.org, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Instead of creating a new query type, why not just issue ANY queries on a new name? E.g., instead of sending A/AAAA queries for host.dom, just send an ANY query for _address._ip.host.dom. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 6 13:42:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAF03A68D6; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:42:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L81ptU9ROd-f; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C253A6896; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6WTP-000Ano-1B for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:35:59 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb:230:48ff:fe5a:2f38] (helo=nsa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6WTM-000AnW-PQ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:35:56 +0000 Received: from nsa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nsa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5796ECDD3D; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:35:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@nsa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= cc: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6@cabernet.tools.IETF.ORG, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:02:05 +0100." <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.1; nil; GNU Emacs 22.2.1 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:35:56 +0000 Message-ID: <89274.1257543356@nsa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: > From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:02:05 +0100 (MEZ) > > The recent I-D, "DNS Extensions to Support IPv4 and IPv6", > draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6-02, proposes a new specific QUERY TYPE > to pick up A and AAAA RRsets in a single DNS request. what a terrible idea. we're not going to add yet another query before the start of every tcp/ip session. the way to handle this is to include AAAA as additional data in A responses, and include A as additional data in AAAA responses. > This seems to be a specific solution restricted to a narrow, > yet frequent, desire / use case. > > I suggest to expand on this proposal by defining a more versatile and > general mechanism that does not need to be changed again should any > new 'address' RRtype be defined in the future, and that will have > different other use cases for the pickup of 'grouped' RRsets > (e.g. TXT records together with PTR records on DNSBL lookups, > mail policy TXT RRs together with MX RRs, etc.). > > This proposal is inspired by similar functionality present in DHCP > and an old, expired proposal to allow multiple queries in a single > DNS request. > > It should help save round trips and eliminate the need to specify > dedicated additional section processing for some new RR types in > the future, saving additional, RR type specific processing logic in > authorities and caching resolvers. > > Rough sketch of the idea: << RR-Group Query >> > > ... this should also be pursued, but not as part of deploying IPv6. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 6 13:55:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCB93A67AC; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:55:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.59 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.990, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s6qWiRIzeo50; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6497C28C0E1; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6WjG-000C8u-OY for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:52:22 +0000 Received: from [208.86.224.201] (helo=mail.yitter.info) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6WjE-000C8H-A2 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:52:20 +0000 Received: from crankycanuck.ca (69-196-144-230.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7EE0E2FE8CDC for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:52:16 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:52:14 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Message-ID: <20091106215214.GC17456@shinkuro.com> References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> <89274.1257543356@nsa.vix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <89274.1257543356@nsa.vix.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 09:35:56PM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote: > what a terrible idea. we're not going to add yet another query before > the start of every tcp/ip session. the way to handle this is to include > AAAA as additional data in A responses, and include A as additional data > in AAAA responses. So why doesn't this happen today? What caused us not to choose that path in the past? (Something must have, but I've been unable to figure out what. I'd sure like to know, however, because I'm busy having arguments over in behave about a related topic.) A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 6 14:18:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4792A28C0F2; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:18:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.858 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.858 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.992, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bVm8o5YFZqMy; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FAC3A6823; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6X4G-000ETY-A8 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:14:04 +0000 Received: from [213.178.172.147] (helo=TR-Sys.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6X4D-000ESZ-9b for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:14:02 +0000 Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3.2) id AA089195587; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:13:07 +0100 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id XAA28019; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:13:07 +0100 (MEZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200911062213.XAA28019@TR-Sys.de> Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal To: matthew@dempsky.org Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:13:06 +0100 (MEZ) Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org In-Reply-To: from Matthew Dempsky at Nov "6," 2009 "01:19:50" pm References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:19:50 -0800, Matthew Dempsky wrote: > Instead of creating a new query type, why not just issue ANY queries > on a new name? E.g., instead of sending A/AAAA queries for host.dom, > just send an ANY query for _address._ip.host.dom. Matt, The unreliable, informative nature of ANY has been discussed many times, and it makes it impossible to rely upon ANY for this purpose. With this in mind I came up with the proposed feedback mechanism for RGRP. Alfred. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 6 14:35:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E573A67FA; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:35:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id USWOtAiV3XOk; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC093A67B0; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6XM3-000Gik-2B for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:32:27 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb:230:48ff:fe5a:2f38] (helo=nsa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6XM0-000GhW-IF for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:32:24 +0000 Received: from nsa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nsa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43596CDD52; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 22:32:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@nsa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: Andrew Sullivan cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:52:14 EST." <20091106215214.GC17456@shinkuro.com> References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> <89274.1257543356@nsa.vix.com> <20091106215214.GC17456@shinkuro.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.1; nil; GNU Emacs 22.2.1 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:32:24 +0000 Message-ID: <91626.1257546744@nsa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:52:14 -0500 > From: Andrew Sullivan > > > what a terrible idea. we're not going to add yet another query before > > the start of every tcp/ip session. the way to handle this is to > > include AAAA as additional data in A responses, and include A as > > additional data in AAAA responses. > > So why doesn't this happen today? What caused us not to choose that path > in the past? (Something must have, but I've been unable to figure out > what. I'd sure like to know, however, because I'm busy having arguments > over in behave about a related topic.) because i didn't think about it or propose it during DNSIND's review of the draft of RFC 1886, and then when i did propose it there was a Strong Desire on the part of All Parties to Be Done and so we didn't want to pull the covers off. also, it was widely recognized that additional data could be added at any time, and so the thought was, somebody would write it up later, there was no reason to hold up the current draft. nobody has written it up. now, in the time since then, kaminsky showed us the nonwisdom of caching any data other than the direct response to the question you asked. so if we were to write this up today, we'd say, it has to be an authoritative answer and the owner name has to exactly match the answer name. or something. (i sort of wish we had multiple question support. if all the qnames are the same, and all the qclasses are the same, and all the qtypes are different, then we could reasonably fill the answer section with multiple rrsets. would have been nice. at this point it would draw a lot of FORMERR responses and so doing it would amount to another kind of pairwise protocol negotiation -- which if we're going to do we should do as part of EDNS somehow. i digress.) From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 6 17:30:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AC93A67A8; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:30:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.725 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.725 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.071, BAYES_50=0.001, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TPSRIDCn16eA; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469433A6767; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6a2i-00087L-6A for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:24:40 +0000 Received: from [131.112.32.132] (helo=necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6a2f-00086t-03 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:24:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 31461 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2009 01:54:21 -0000 Received: from softbank219178199025.bbtec.net (HELO necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp) (219.178.199.25) by necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Nov 2009 01:54:21 -0000 Message-ID: <4AF4CC29.7050403@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:23:53 +0900 From: Masataka Ohta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ja-JP; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: ja, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred CC: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6@cabernet.tools.IETF.ORG, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> In-Reply-To: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Alfred wrote: > The recent I-D, "DNS Extensions to Support IPv4 and IPv6", > draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6-02, proposes a new specific QUERY TYPE > to pick up A and AAAA RRsets in a single DNS request. That's an abandoned idea. All of you stupid, read RFC1035 The difficulty is that the presence of one RR type in a cache doesn't convey any information about the other because the query which acquired the cached information might have used a QTYPE of MF, MD, or MAILA (which matched both). Masataka Ohta From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 6 21:40:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65ED3A685D; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:40:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LAJ6e8kRPu6g; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C043A67D7; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6dvT-0003FF-E8 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:33:27 +0000 Received: from [17.254.13.23] (helo=mail-out4.apple.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6dvP-0003Eg-Jb for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 05:33:23 +0000 Received: from relay14.apple.com (relay14.apple.com [17.128.113.52]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781067E81E3E for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:33:22 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807134-b7cd9ae000001002-8f-4af506a29e24 Received: from gertie.apple.com (gertie.apple.com [17.151.62.15]) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id B4.4A.04098.2A605FA4; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 21:33:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Received: from host-112-143.meeting.ietf.org (host-112-143.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.112.143]) by gertie.apple.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0KSQ0066Y4RK3T10@gertie.apple.com> for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:33:22 -0800 (PST) Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alfred_H=CEnes?= , draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6@cabernet.tools.IETF.ORG, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Message-id: <38CCBAA1-1814-4BFE-B0DD-F8549B1E66CB@apple.com> From: Stuart Cheshire To: Paul Vixie In-reply-to: <89274.1257543356@nsa.vix.com> Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:33:19 -0800 References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> <89274.1257543356@nsa.vix.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On 6 Nov 2009, at 13:35, Paul Vixie wrote: > the way to handle this is to include > AAAA as additional data in A responses, and include A as additional > data > in AAAA responses. I agree. FWIW, this is exactly what we do in Multicast DNS: 8.2 Responding to Address Queries In Multicast DNS, whenever a Responder places an IPv4 or IPv6 address record (rrtype "A" or "AAAA") into a response packet, it SHOULD also place the corresponding other address type into the additional section, if there is space in the packet. In addition, if there isn't a record of one or other type, we indicate this using an NSEC record. This is for cases like where an SRV response has an A record in the additional section but no AAAA. Including the NSEC asserting the nonexistence of AAAA records saves us having to do another round-trip to get the no-answer-no-error response telling us that the name has no AAAA records. In the event that a device has only IPv4 addresses but no IPv6 addresses, or vice versa, then the appropriate NSEC record SHOULD be placed into the additional section, so that queriers can know with certainty that the device has no addresses of that kind. Stuart Cheshire * Wizard Without Portfolio, Apple Inc. * Internet Architecture Board * www.stuartcheshire.org From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 6 23:57:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE883A6926; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:57:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.079, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E3R2nvUm+sNz; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:57:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02323A687E; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 23:57:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6g66-000G5K-Vv for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:52:34 +0000 Received: from [2001:470:1f12:420::2] (helo=mail.bortzmeyer.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6g63-000G4z-Su for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:52:32 +0000 Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 2830B9530A; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:52:23 +0100 (CET) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4FA1E157767; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:43:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:43:47 +0900 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Alfred =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F6nes?= Cc: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6@cabernet.tools.IETF.ORG, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] Re: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Message-ID: <20091107074347.GA15091@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.10 (intrepid) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 10:02:05PM +0100, Alfred Hönes wrote a message of 71 lines which said: > (e.g. TXT records together with PTR records on DNSBL lookups, mail > policy TXT RRs together with MX RRs, etc.). Or SPF and TXT together for SPF queries (RFC 4408, section 4.4). > clearing of a bit would indicate lack of knowledge of the > corresponding RRset and only be allowed only for cache servers, not > for authorities. Good idea and I specially like this clever detail (which addresses Ohta's troll^H^H^H^H^Hremark). From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sat Nov 7 03:06:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B58128C10E; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 03:06:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X0236xS8wK+A; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 03:06:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370A328C0E0; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 03:06:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6j2A-0006wN-Jt for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:00:42 +0000 Received: from [64.39.31.27] (helo=server1.dns.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6j27-0006w8-Fx for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:00:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by server1.dns.net (8.11.7/8.11.6) id nA7B0bi29873; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:00:37 GMT Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:01:07 +0000 From: Andras Salamon To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Message-ID: <20091107110107.GA4827@gaon.net> References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 10:02:05PM +0100, Alfred Hönes wrote: >- The RGMASK EDNS option is echoed back (iff the answerer understands >RGRP and this option). Any bit still set in the echoed bit mask >indicates knowledge at the answerer of the corresponding RRset (with no >such RR present in the answer signalling per-RRtype selective NODATA); >clearing of a bit would indicate lack of knowledge of the corresponding >RRset and only be allowed only for cache servers, not for authorities. The meaning of set/cleared bits is unclear to me. What is the right thing to do if: 1. a server receives one of these blob queries for type X and Y, 2. the cache contains an authoritative entry for type X, 3. the cache contains an NXDOMAIN entry for type Y? Due to negative caching there seem to be three possible states: present, absent, negative-present (this last being a weak proxy for known-absent-from-zonefile). Further, does "knowledge" mean "authoritative" or "present in cache"? -- Andras Salamon andras@dns.net From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sat Nov 7 06:11:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2063A635F; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:11:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.14 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.14 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.460, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UF0nXtseoJ+7; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB983A680A; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 06:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6luN-000PVt-4b for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:04:51 +0000 Received: from [2001:470:1f12:420::2] (helo=mail.bortzmeyer.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N6luK-000PUU-6C for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:04:48 +0000 Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 79F12953E6; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:04:41 +0100 (CET) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 19100157767; Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:58:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 22:58:21 +0900 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Andras Salamon Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] Re: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Message-ID: <20091107135821.GA27137@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> <20091107110107.GA4827@gaon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091107110107.GA4827@gaon.net> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.10 (intrepid) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 11:01:07AM +0000, Andras Salamon wrote a message of 21 lines which said: > 2. the cache contains an authoritative entry for type X, > 3. the cache contains an NXDOMAIN entry for type Y? I don't understand. 2) and 3 cannot be true at the same time. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Nov 8 02:52:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB9E3A6986; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:52:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.437 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vP0TAK9b6cbf; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26443A6988; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 02:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N75G5-000Fnf-T4 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:44:33 +0000 Received: from [64.39.31.27] (helo=server1.dns.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N75G2-000FnF-VN for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:44:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by server1.dns.net (8.11.7/8.11.6) id nA8AiT612519; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:44:29 GMT Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:45:02 +0000 From: Andras Salamon To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] Re: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Message-ID: <20091108104502.GA1125@gaon.net> References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> <20091107110107.GA4827@gaon.net> <20091107135821.GA27137@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091107135821.GA27137@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 10:58:21PM +0900, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >On Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 11:01:07AM +0000, > Andras Salamon wrote >> 2. the cache contains an authoritative entry for type X, >> 3. the cache contains an NXDOMAIN entry for type Y? > >I don't understand. 2) and 3 cannot be true at the same time. My mistake: I meant NODATA for type Y in point 3, not NXDOMAIN. (RFC 2308 section 2.2.) -- Andras Salamon andras@dns.net From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Nov 8 03:50:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7652528C0EB; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 03:50:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.255 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.255 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.345, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WT0w1zD7DtGJ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 03:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E92D3A6860; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 03:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N76Ck-000Kw4-QC for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:45:10 +0000 Received: from [2001:470:1f12:420::2] (helo=mail.bortzmeyer.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N76Cg-000Kvi-QP for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:45:07 +0000 Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 5F01F95472; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:45:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 13FF9157767; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:38:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:38:26 +0900 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Andras Salamon Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] Re: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Message-ID: <20091108113826.GA22532@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> <20091107110107.GA4827@gaon.net> <20091107135821.GA27137@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <20091108104502.GA1125@gaon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20091108104502.GA1125@gaon.net> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.10 (intrepid) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 10:45:02AM +0000, Andras Salamon wrote a message of 13 lines which said: > My mistake: I meant NODATA for type Y in point 3, not NXDOMAIN. In that case, it is explicitely covered in Alfred Hönes' original proposal: the bit "I know about it" is set both for type X and type Y. And the answer includes only RRset of type X. And the stub resolver algorithmically deduces there is a NODATA (which is consistent with the RFC you quote). We'll discuss it tomorrow if you want (outside of the WG because I'm afraid there is no free slot in the agenda). From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Nov 8 05:38:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F046B28C159; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:38:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.352, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_53=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q2i5YlZ9+ldD; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:38:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C0B3A681C; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:38:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N77rm-00058J-Js for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:31:38 +0000 Received: from [80.12.204.245] (helo=relais-inet.francetelecom.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N77rh-00056C-Fi for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:31:34 +0000 Received: from omfeda08.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.201]) by omfeda13.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 62CB1190242; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:31:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from PUEXCH51.nanterre.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.101.44.31]) by omfeda08.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 4C0D1384049; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:31:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.9]) by PUEXCH51.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.31]) with mapi; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:31:31 +0100 From: To: "ah@TR-Sys.de" , "draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6@cabernet.tools.IETF.ORG" , "namedroppers@ops.ietf.org" Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:31:29 +0100 Subject: RE: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Thread-Topic: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Thread-Index: AcpfKI5T+w2ArxPVSAeC333H7Fq5HgBTC2eQ Message-ID: <366_1257687091_4AF6C833_366_6188_1_94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F307905EA502@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> In-Reply-To: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> Accept-Language: fr-FR Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.5.7.378829, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.11.8.130057 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Dear Alfred, all, Some comments below: - I fully agree with the motivations of draft-li for optimising the delay t= he retrieve DNS records. The proposal can be enhanced to cover also IPv4-em= bedded IPv6 records. This proposal aims at decreasing the delay required to= retrieve a valid record. Furthermore, it optimises the amount of issued re= quests by end hosts and may also reduce the load of DNS servers. - A more generic solution to solve this issue (i.e., a single message enclo= sing a set of queries types) can be preferred than defining a specific solu= tion for A and AAAA records. But, do we have other use cases (!# than the o= ne defined in draft-li)? Cheers, Med=20 -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.or= g] De la part de ah@TR-Sys.de Envoy=E9 : vendredi 6 novembre 2009 22:02 =C0 : draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6@cabernet.tools.IETF.ORG; namedroppers@ops.i= etf.org Objet : [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal The recent I-D, "DNS Extensions to Support IPv4 and IPv6", draft-li-dnsext-= ipv4-ipv6-02, proposes a new specific QUERY TYPE to pick up A and AAAA RRse= ts in a single DNS request. This seems to be a specific solution restricted to a narrow, yet frequent, = desire / use case. I suggest to expand on this proposal by defining a more versatile and gener= al mechanism that does not need to be changed again should any new 'address= ' RRtype be defined in the future, and that will have different other use c= ases for the pickup of 'grouped' RRsets (e.g. TXT records together with PTR= records on DNSBL lookups, mail policy TXT RRs together with MX RRs, etc.). This proposal is inspired by similar functionality present in DHCP and an o= ld, expired proposal to allow multiple queries in a single DNS request. It should help save round trips and eliminate the need to specify dedicated= additional section processing for some new RR types in the future, saving = additional, RR type specific processing logic in authorities and caching re= solvers. Rough sketch of the idea: << RR-Group Query >> A new 'Query' RRtype, say "RGRP", is used to request the delivery of an arb= itrary set of 'data' RR types, specified in a bitmask -- similar to the one= used in NSEC/NSEC3, but handed over in a new EDNS option, say "RGMASK". The semantics I envision for the authority/cache might be sketched as follo= ws: - CLASS-independent. - No Additional Section processing (beyond EDNS). - Any RRset matching (QNAME, QCLASS) with RRtype flagged in RGMASK is retu= rned -- similar to what is done for QTYPE=3DANY queries with a virtually re= stricted "set of interest", but more tightly controlled as follows: - The RGMASK EDNS option is echoed back (iff the answerer understands RGRP= and this option). Any bit still set in the echoed bit mask indicates know= ledge at the answerer of the corresponding RRset (with no such RR present i= n the answer signalling per-RRtype selective NODATA); clearing of a bit wou= ld indicate lack of knowledge of the corresponding RRset and only be allowe= d only for cache servers, not for authorities. - It could be considered to use particular flag bit setting(s) to request = from a recursive resolver 'exhaustive' behavior, essentially like an author= ity. Rationale for using an EDNS option: It is expected that responses to RGRP q= ueries are larger and would generally benefit of increased response size. = The proposal will only be implemented in "new" DNS software that should sup= port EDNS0 anyway. Kind regards, Alfred H=CEnes. --=20 +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ ********************************* This message and any attachments (the "message") are confidential and inten= ded solely for the addressees.=20 Any unauthorised use or dissemination is prohibited. Messages are susceptible to alteration.=20 France Telecom Group shall not be liable for the message if altered, change= d or falsified. If you are not the intended addressee of this message, please cancel it imm= ediately and inform the sender. ******************************** From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Nov 8 16:24:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383013A6A4D; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:24:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.576 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.576 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.674, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rfbvHVHRAaHP; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87333A6A35; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7Hvi-000B1Q-86 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:16:22 +0000 Received: from [213.178.172.147] (helo=TR-Sys.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7Hvf-000B0y-3j for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:16:20 +0000 Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3.2) id AA099745714; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:15:14 +0100 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id BAA03519; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:15:13 +0100 (MEZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200911090015.BAA03519@TR-Sys.de> Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal To: cheshire@apple.com, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:15:13 +0100 (MEZ) In-Reply-To: <38CCBAA1-1814-4BFE-B0DD-F8549B1E66CB@apple.com> from Stuart Cheshire at Nov "6," 2009 "09:33:19" pm X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Stuart Cheshire wrote: > On 6 Nov 2009, at 13:35, Paul Vixie wrote: > >> the way to handle this is to include >> AAAA as additional data in A responses, and include A as additional >> data in AAAA responses. > > > I agree. FWIW, this is exactly what we do in Multicast DNS: > > > > 8.2 Responding to Address Queries > > In Multicast DNS, whenever a Responder places an IPv4 or IPv6 address > record (rrtype "A" or "AAAA") into a response packet, it SHOULD also > place the corresponding other address type into the additional > section, if there is space in the packet. > > In addition, if there isn't a record of one or other type, we indicate > this using an NSEC record. I also had this draft in mind. But given the lack of acceptance of these ideas (and other multi-question proposals) in the IETF this did not seem a good base for a *new* proposal. The drawbacks of Additional Data have become more and more evident in the recent past, and Paul Vixie already has acknowledged that in a follow-up message to Andrew's response to his posting. There seems to be long established consensus that multiple questions (if considered at all) need to be restricted to same-QNAME plus same-QCLASS. Multiple Questions (QDCOUNT>1) incur the inherent problem that the consistency needs to be checked, with many novel error scenarios. Encoding a multi-question query in a way that inherently enforces that match-in-QNAME-and-QCLASS restriction and is at least equivalent (or even better) in terms of packet space requirements might turn out to be a superior idea. > This is for cases like where an SRV response has an A record in the > additional section but no AAAA. Including the NSEC asserting the > nonexistence of AAAA records saves us having to do another round-trip > to get the no-answer-no-error response telling us that the name has no > AAAA records. > > In the event that a device has only IPv4 addresses but no IPv6 > addresses, or vice versa, then the appropriate NSEC record SHOULD > be placed into the additional section, so that queriers can know > with certainty that the device has no addresses of that kind. Additional Section processing for RR types that already do specify that is entirely orthogonal to the problem considered and I would very much prefer to leave it out of scope of this discussion. There seems to have been consensus in the past that Additional Section processing for new RR types should be avoided wherever possible. > > Stuart Cheshire > * Wizard Without Portfolio, Apple Inc. > * Internet Architecture Board > * www.stuartcheshire.org The problem with similar specifications is that they *change* existing specifications in an incompatible way, making attempts to do so a horrible cross-country ride in the IETF. Adding new elements and confining new behavior to these elements seems to be more appreciated in general, because the interactions needed at layer 8 and above are less difficult then. :-) Specific exceptional rules based on RR type are inflexible and a burden for server implementations. I have tried to find a way to escape these complications. Given the apparent interest in my proposal (only sketched so far in coarse granularity), I'll try to write it up in an I-D ASAP -- but please admit roughly 3 weeks due to pending other efforts. There remain design choices -- e.g., new meta RR type plus RGMASK EDNS option (as noted in my proposal), or RGMASK alone, combined with any 'Data' RR type (omitted from the initial proposal for brevity) --, and incremental deployment considerations need to be pursued in detail. Hints on other existing use cases for the "RR Group Query" are welcome in the interim! A related request I'd like to recall: Could we please consider in the EDNS0-bis effort a means to signal the intended behavior regarding EDNS options that the queried server does not "know" (as in several routing protocols and RSVP) ? The most easiest way to do so would be to assign semantics to 2 or 3 most significant bits of the EDNS option type, thus leaving all legacy options untouched. Useful encoded behavior would include "mandatory to support", "ignore if unknown", "echo unchanged", etc. This would be a small "one-change-forever" detail, but a big deal for the incremental deployment of new EDNS options, such as the RGMASK proposed for RR Group Queries. (See also the IAB deliberations on protocol extensibility in draft-iab-extension-recs.) More thoughts on this detail soon in a specific note on draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0. Kind regards, Alfred HÎnes. -- +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Nov 8 20:16:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B26328C0EC; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:16:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y6vhMYT2iQEW; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1803228C0E2; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7LaY-000ADQ-I0 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:10:46 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:36::162] (helo=mon.jinmei.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7LaV-000ACt-O9 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:10:44 +0000 Received: from jmb.jinmei.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:dfb:0:16:21b:63ff:fe08:3e64]) by mon.jinmei.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7A3E833C3A for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:10:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:10:41 +0900 Message-ID: From: JINMEI Tatuya / =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCP0BMQEMjOkgbKEI=?= To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/22.1 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On seeing the dynamic update DoS attack to BIND9: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-0696 I've been wondering whether it makes sense to harden the protocol to prevent this type of troubles. I have a proposed revised text to RFC2136 and would like to know if this could be accepted as an errata item to the RFC. In short, we could have avoided the bug if the protocol specification clearly allows performing ACL checks before prerequisite processing. And, in fact, I heard (off-list) from an author of the RFC2136 that the original intent is to say "acl processing if any must be done no later than this point" (instead of saying "must be done at this point"). (this point = right after the prerequisite section processing). If that's what "the community meant" and can be considered a "bug" of the original wording, I think we could simply submit an errata for RFC2136, rather than waiting for an opportunity to update the document. (see http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/errata-processing.html) Specifically, I'd propose fixing Section 3.3.2 of RFC2136 as follows: OLD: 3.3.2. While the exact processing is implementation defined, if these verification activities are to be performed, this is the point in the server's processing where such performance should take place, since if a REFUSED condition is encountered after an update has been partially applied, it will be necessary to undo the partial update and restore the zone to its original state before answering the requestor. NEW: 3.3.2. While the exact processing is implementation defined, if these verification activities are to be performed, such performance must take place by this point in the server's processing. This is because if a REFUSED condition is encountered after an update has been partially applied, it will be necessary to undo the partial update and restore the zone to its original state before answering the requestor. Note also that the verification activities can happen before processing the zone or prerequisite section, depending on the local policy and implementation. If I submit it to the errata page, I guess it will eventually be passed to this wg for review. So I'm asking this beforehand: does this proposal make sense? --- JINMEI, Tatuya Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Nov 8 21:19:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7679F3A68C4; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:19:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 77hk6Rg4VuS3; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB3B28C15E; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:19:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7MZt-000Fpv-SP for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:14:09 +0000 Received: from [2a02:760:1002:15::14] (helo=mail.kirei.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7MZr-000FpW-AM for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:14:07 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=kirei.se; s=wagaya20060620; t=1257743644; bh=oRYeHWSEc4koGo2yg6L/sOg22Z+UzX1WcSw9qcCwrV4=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To; b=JPt83t19RkqKm2XJLeIjEFdpuxd6xXam+owkxo+KlT80OtDbYHkiOwAY/AQMXKKPg Z+imyVsC0l/UFiX95YZ/OeobdqGJn/uCfKqRy8n8XUJPa8WkqXCwgggcwhORIcPipt mfxKUkCPxzopd3D8vmk6NYZLvNrT8l39Oa9Ciffk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [dnsext] Re: IETF 76: Root DNSSEC Presentation with Q&A From: Jakob Schlyter In-Reply-To: <388581B7-698F-4318-8CF9-9632E3192177@kirei.se> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:13:58 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <74AF7E07-285F-406F-B59B-6D8F3B063278@kirei.se> References: <388581B7-698F-4318-8CF9-9632E3192177@kirei.se> To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On 4 nov 2009, at 14.14, Jakob Schlyter wrote: > I'm happy to invite DNSEXT WG members to the following event: > > Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 15:10-16:10 > Room: Castleview 1 > > Members of the Root DNSSEC Design Team will give a technical > presentation about DNSSEC for the root zone, followed by a Q&A > session. 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List-Archive: On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 02:31:29PM +0100, mohamed.boucadair@orange-ftgroup.com wrote a message of 70 lines which said: > But, do we have other use cases (!# than the one defined in > draft-li)? Mentioned by Alfred: TXT records together with PTR records on DNSBL lookups, mail policy TXT RRs together with MX RRs. Mentioned by me: SPF and TXT records for SPF lookups (RFC 4408, section 4.4). From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Nov 8 23:55:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4086F28C129; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:55:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.986 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.986 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.842, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U61b64PMaJnw; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638373A69AD; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7P2e-0004Wg-DS for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:52:00 +0000 Received: from [193.251.215.92] (helo=relais-inet.francetelecom.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7P2c-0004WC-0u for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:51:58 +0000 Received: from omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.3]) by omfedm11.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id E6E08278144; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:51:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from PUEXCH71.nanterre.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.101.44.33]) by omfedm07.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id C916F4C03F; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:51:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.9]) by PUEXCH71.nanterre.francetelecom.fr ([10.101.44.33]) with mapi; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:51:56 +0100 From: To: Stephane Bortzmeyer CC: "ah@TR-Sys.de" , "draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6@cabernet.tools.IETF.ORG" , "namedroppers@ops.ietf.org" Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:51:55 +0100 Subject: [dnsext] RE: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Thread-Topic: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Thread-Index: AcphDw9mEBQ6T3YmQee05/MsrBkzEwAAdgUA Message-ID: <29692_1257753116_4AF7CA1C_29692_171_1_94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F307905EA55B@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> <366_1257687091_4AF6C833_366_6188_1_94C682931C08B048B7A8645303FDC9F307905EA502@PUEXCB1B.nanterre.francetelecom.fr> <20091109072629.GA26172@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> In-Reply-To: <20091109072629.GA26172@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> Accept-Language: fr-FR Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-PMX-Version: 5.5.7.378829, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2009.10.22.64218 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Dear Stephane, Thank you for the clarification. I think that a generic solution to retrieve several records using the same = query would be more useful that restricting it to IPv4-IPv6 use case (which= is by the way my interest as described in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft= -boucadair-behave-dns-a64-01#section-4.7). Cheers, Med =20 -----Message d'origine----- De : Stephane Bortzmeyer [mailto:bortzmeyer@nic.fr]=20 Envoy=E9 : lundi 9 novembre 2009 08:26 =C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed NCPI/NAD/TIP Cc : ah@TR-Sys.de; draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6@cabernet.tools.IETF.ORG; named= roppers@ops.ietf.org Objet : Re: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 02:31:29PM +0100, mohamed.boucadair@orange-ftgroup= .com wrote a message of 70 lines wh= ich said: > But, do we have other use cases (!# than the one defined in draft-li)? Mentioned by Alfred: TXT records together with PTR records on DNSBL lookups= , mail policy TXT RRs together with MX RRs. 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If you are not the intended addressee of this message, please cancel it imm= ediately and inform the sender. ******************************** From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Nov 8 23:58:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D95A28C129; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:58:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.499, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y9fuPUCBLnan; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A018D3A695C; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7P6O-0004wf-Hd for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:55:52 +0000 Received: from [193.227.124.2] (helo=mx01.bfk.de) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7P6M-0004w0-6h for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:55:50 +0000 Received: from mx00.int.bfk.de ([10.119.110.2]) by mx01.bfk.de with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) id 1N7P6K-00015R-CX; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:55:48 +0100 Received: by bfk.de with local id 1N7P6K-0006wP-7w; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:55:48 +0000 To: JINMEI Tatuya / =?utf-8?B?56We5piO6YGU5ZOJ?= Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 References: From: Florian Weimer Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:55:48 +0000 In-Reply-To: ("JINMEI Tatuya / =?utf-8?B?56We5piO6YGU5ZOJIidz?= message of "Mon\, 09 Nov 2009 13\:10\:41 +0900") Message-ID: <82tyx4rv23.fsf@mid.bfk.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: * JINMEI Tatuya / =E7=A5=9E=E6=98=8E=E9=81=94=E5=93=89: > In short, we could have avoided the bug if the protocol specification > clearly allows performing ACL checks before prerequisite processing. > And, in fact, I heard (off-list) from an author of the RFC2136 that > the original intent is to say "acl processing if any must be done no > later than this point" (instead of saying "must be done at this > point"). (this point =3D right after the prerequisite section > processing). I think moving the ACL check around is covered by the as-if rule. So no standards action is required. --=20 Florian Weimer BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstra=C3=9Fe 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99 From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 00:07:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42AB28C1A4; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:07:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RPzN+H55EJeJ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C4D3A6A13; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7PCz-0005mg-U6 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:02:41 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:36::162] (helo=mon.jinmei.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7PBs-0005eO-As for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:01:32 +0000 Received: from jmb.jinmei.org (host-113-167.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.113.167]) by mon.jinmei.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 78B9B33C3A; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:01:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:01:30 +0900 Message-ID: From: JINMEI Tatuya / =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCP0BMQEMjOkgbKEI=?= To: Florian Weimer Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 In-Reply-To: <82tyx4rv23.fsf@mid.bfk.de> References: <82tyx4rv23.fsf@mid.bfk.de> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/22.1 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: At Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:55:48 +0000, Florian Weimer wrote: > > In short, we could have avoided the bug if the protocol specification > > clearly allows performing ACL checks before prerequisite processing. > > And, in fact, I heard (off-list) from an author of the RFC2136 that > > the original intent is to say "acl processing if any must be done no > > later than this point" (instead of saying "must be done at this > > point"). (this point = right after the prerequisite section > > processing). > > I think moving the ACL check around is covered by the as-if rule. So > no standards action is required. I don't know the as-if rule...could you explain what's the rule and be more specific about which part of the RFC allows moving the ACL check around according to that rule? --- JINMEI, Tatuya Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 00:16:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081CF28C1D2; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:16:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.313 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.313 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.363, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rZsQO7DNMsCe; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1105928C1A4; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7PMx-0006pY-O6 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:12:59 +0000 Received: from [193.227.124.2] (helo=mx01.bfk.de) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7PMu-0006p3-Qy for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:12:57 +0000 Received: from mx00.int.bfk.de ([10.119.110.2]) by mx01.bfk.de with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) id 1N7PMt-0002ie-1A; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:12:55 +0100 Received: by bfk.de with local id 1N7PMs-0004VU-Tx; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:12:54 +0000 To: JINMEI Tatuya / =?utf-8?B?56We5piO6YGU5ZOJ?= Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 References: <82tyx4rv23.fsf@mid.bfk.de> From: Florian Weimer Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:12:54 +0000 In-Reply-To: ("JINMEI Tatuya / =?utf-8?B?56We5piO6YGU5ZOJIidz?= message of "Mon\, 09 Nov 2009 17\:01\:30 +0900") Message-ID: <82ljigru9l.fsf@mid.bfk.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: * JINMEI Tatuya / =E7=A5=9E=E6=98=8E=E9=81=94=E5=93=89: >> I think moving the ACL check around is covered by the as-if rule. So >> no standards action is required. > > I don't know the as-if rule...could you explain what's the rule The as-if rule allows you to change implementation details any way you see fit, as long as the observable behavior continues to match what the standard requires. > and be more specific about which part of the RFC allows moving the > ACL check around according to that rule? In this particular case, you could perform the ACL check first and return NOTAUTH (which does *not* mean "not authorized", unfortunately) or FORMERR because that's a result specified in section 3.1.2. Or you could rely on section 4.1.1 of RFC 1035 (which does not seem to be overridden by RFC 2136) and return REFUSED. --=20 Florian Weimer BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstra=C3=9Fe 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99 From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 00:18:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BB628C129; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:18:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XWtcm8wAv2WZ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE9028C1A4; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7PQ4-0007FV-4h for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:16:12 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:36::162] (helo=mon.jinmei.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7PQ1-0007F3-N7 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:16:09 +0000 Received: from jmb.jinmei.org (host-113-167.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.113.167]) by mon.jinmei.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7F95333C3B; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:16:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:16:06 +0900 Message-ID: From: JINMEI Tatuya / =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCP0BMQEMjOkgbKEI=?= To: Bob Halley Cc: "namedroppers@ops.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/22.1 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: At Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:18:04 -0800, Bob Halley wrote: > > If I submit it to the errata page, I guess it will eventually be > > passed to this wg for review. So I'm asking this beforehand: does > > this proposal make sense? > > I've never understood why the standard requires prerequisite handling > before permission checking. I'm not sure we can get away with an > "errata", however, as it seems like a substantive protocol change. At > least I'm not yet convinced it wouldn't break some client out there. Good point, and that's actually what I thought would be an argument against the errata approach. I personally believe it's justified: if an update request is to be rejected due to an ACL anyway, the visible-to-the-client behavior differs only in the error code. If the request passes the zone/prerequisite checks, the behavior should be the same, REFUSED; If the request also fails either a zone or prerequisite check, the response will still be a failure with NOTAUTH/NXDOMAIN/NXRRSET, etc (in the original RFC2136 logic) or REFUSED (in the revised proposed logic). And, since a server implementation might reject any request for some non DDNS related reason (e.g., a server may reject any request from a give source IP address even without checking the type of the request), a reasonably behaving client would have to expect a REFUSED anyway. Of course, if the client assumes a specific behavior of a particular implementation that never returns REFUSED before DDNS prerequisite check, the proposed change would break the client. But I personally think we can dismiss such clients by "common sense and good judgment" (per http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/errata-processing.html). Others may have different opinions on this point, though, and that's one reason why I asked the question here before simply submitting an errata proposal. > Requiring updating permission checking to be complete before update > execution begins seems needlessly prescriptive. If an implementation > is not doing permission checking before prerequisite processing, then > there is no visible-to-the-client difference between checking all > update permissions before executing any update RRs and checking > permissions for an update RR immediately before executing it. If an > implementation prefers to roll back partial updates vs never executing > them in this case, I see no reason to forbid it. I think I agree, but IMO this is actually beyond the scope of errata. To me, the position of the ACL check is a bug of the original specification; allowing roll-back due to a delayed ACL check is a possible extended clarification suitable for an update to the base spec. --- JINMEI, Tatuya Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 00:20:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A21B3A69F0; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:20:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WbE9X2G5-vTu; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D603A67B1; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7PRn-0007Ok-2B for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:17:59 +0000 Received: from [83.145.227.89] (helo=gusev.araneus.fi) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7PRl-0007OU-10 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:17:57 +0000 Received: from guava.gson.org (guava.gson.org [83.145.227.105]) by gusev.araneus.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EEF91C09; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:17:01 +0200 (EET) Received: by guava.gson.org (Postfix, from userid 101) id 2CAC775F38; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:17:55 +0200 (EET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19191.53299.124063.478130@guava.gson.org> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:17:55 +0200 To: Florian Weimer Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, JINMEI Tatuya / =?utf-8?B?56We5piO6YGU5ZOJ?= Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 In-Reply-To: <82tyx4rv23.fsf@mid.bfk.de> References: <82tyx4rv23.fsf@mid.bfk.de> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 From: Andreas Gustafsson Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Florian Weimer wrote: > I think moving the ACL check around is covered by the as-if rule. It's not, because it will result in different observable behavior: a different RCODE will be returned in the case where the update request meets neither the prerequisites nor the security policy. -- Andreas Gustafsson, gson@araneus.fi From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 00:22:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FD63A6A0F; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:22:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.403 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.403 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.197, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1KkAJLfWFJzs; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3BC3A687C; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:22:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7PS5-0007SD-Q1 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:18:17 +0000 Received: from [2001:470:1f12:420::2] (helo=mail.bortzmeyer.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7PS3-0007RZ-RH for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:18:16 +0000 Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 0BDD194C7A; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:18:14 +0100 (CET) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DD314157767; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:17:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:17:59 +0900 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: JINMEI Tatuya / ???? Cc: Florian Weimer , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] Re: a possible errata to RFC2136 Message-ID: <20091109081759.GA32091@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <82tyx4rv23.fsf@mid.bfk.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.10 (intrepid) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 05:01:30PM +0900, JINMEI Tatuya / ???? wrote a message of 21 lines which said: > I don't know the as-if rule...could you explain what's the rule and > be more specific about which part of the RFC allows moving the ACL > check around according to that rule? I believe that Florian refers to the general IETF rule that an implementation is allowed to do what it wants internally as long as, externally, it behaves AS IF it followed the description of the RFC. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 01:08:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003D13A6903; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:08:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.35 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.35 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lY0+FYtWrLwm; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9C83A659B; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7Q7h-000CAL-1Y for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:01:17 +0000 Received: from [193.227.124.2] (helo=mx01.bfk.de) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7Q7e-000C9I-Ql for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:01:15 +0000 Received: from mx00.int.bfk.de ([10.119.110.2]) by mx01.bfk.de with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) id 1N7Q7b-0008E5-Db; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:01:11 +0100 Received: by bfk.de with local id 1N7Q7b-0006g9-9y; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:01:11 +0000 To: Andreas Gustafsson Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, JINMEI Tatuya / =?utf-8?B?56We5piO6YGU5ZOJ?= Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 References: <82tyx4rv23.fsf@mid.bfk.de> <19191.53299.124063.478130@guava.gson.org> From: Florian Weimer Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:01:11 +0000 In-Reply-To: <19191.53299.124063.478130@guava.gson.org> (Andreas Gustafsson's message of "Mon\, 9 Nov 2009 10\:17\:55 +0200") Message-ID: <824op4qdgo.fsf@mid.bfk.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: * Andreas Gustafsson: > Florian Weimer wrote: >> I think moving the ACL check around is covered by the as-if rule.=20 > > It's not, because it will result in different observable behavior: a > different RCODE will be returned in the case where the update request > meets neither the prerequisites nor the security policy. Section 4.1.1 of RFC 1035 is not good enough to allow answering with REFUSED for policy reasons? I think that's surprising. --=20 Florian Weimer BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstra=DFe 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99 From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 01:52:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D8D3A6B1D; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:52:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vs9ZTDCmYj-i; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC07D3A6B1C; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7Qri-000Gm0-HO for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:48:50 +0000 Received: from [83.145.227.89] (helo=gusev.araneus.fi) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7Qrg-000Glg-Iu for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:48:48 +0000 Received: from guava.gson.org (guava.gson.org [83.145.227.105]) by gusev.araneus.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05BE91C09; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:47:52 +0200 (EET) Received: by guava.gson.org (Postfix, from userid 101) id 77B6675F38; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:48:45 +0200 (EET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19191.58749.211269.849422@guava.gson.org> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:48:45 +0200 To: Florian Weimer Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, JINMEI Tatuya / =?utf-8?B?56We5piO6YGU5ZOJ?= Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 In-Reply-To: <824op4qdgo.fsf@mid.bfk.de> References: <82tyx4rv23.fsf@mid.bfk.de> <19191.53299.124063.478130@guava.gson.org> <824op4qdgo.fsf@mid.bfk.de> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 From: Andreas Gustafsson Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Florian Weimer wrote: > Section 4.1.1 of RFC 1035 is not good enough to allow answering with > REFUSED for policy reasons? I think that's surprising. A server can certainly answer REFUSED at any time, but then it is not implementing RFC2136 "as if", it is implementing a policy of refusing to do RFC2136. The behavior specified in RFC2136 has never made sense to me and I'm all in favor of changing it, but I still think that's a protocol change. -- Andreas Gustafsson, gson@araneus.fi From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 03:22:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A99E3A6857; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 03:22:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.435 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.435 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.940, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2IC4g856AUNz; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 03:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942F63A696D; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 03:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7SEZ-00004y-3H for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:16:31 +0000 Received: from [66.92.146.20] (helo=stora.ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7SEX-00004k-5B for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:16:29 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nA9BGFr4084860; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 06:16:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200911091116.nA9BGFr4084860@stora.ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:16:16 -0500 To: Andreas Gustafsson , Florian Weimer From: Olafur Gudmundsson Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, JINMEI Tatuya / =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E7=A5=9E=E6=98=8E=E9=81=94=E5=93=89?= In-Reply-To: <19191.58749.211269.849422@guava.gson.org> References: <82tyx4rv23.fsf@mid.bfk.de> <19191.53299.124063.478130@guava.gson.org> <824op4qdgo.fsf@mid.bfk.de> <19191.58749.211269.849422@guava.gson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 66.92.146.20 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: At 04:48 09/11/2009, Andreas Gustafsson wrote: >The behavior specified in RFC2136 has never made sense to me and I'm all >in favor of changing it, but I still think that's a protocol change. RFC2136-bis is needed. Editors volunteers welcome, the scope of the work is to get an RFC that can be pushed up the standards track. I can dig out the interoperabilty tests we did some 10 years ago and were supposed to lead to the bis document. 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List-Archive: On Nov 9 2009, JINMEI Tatuya / =E7=A5=9E=E6=98=8E=E9=81=94=E5=93=89 wrote: >On seeing the dynamic update DoS attack to BIND9: >http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=3DCVE-2009-0696 >I've been wondering whether it makes sense to harden the protocol to >prevent this type of troubles. I have a proposed revised text to >RFC2136 and would like to know if this could be accepted as an errata >item to the RFC. > >In short, we could have avoided the bug if the protocol specification >clearly allows performing ACL checks before prerequisite processing. I assume "avoided" mean "restricted it to attackers who could pass the ACL checks"? Which would, of course, have made it a lot less serious. >And, in fact, I heard (off-list) from an author of the RFC2136 that >the original intent is to say "acl processing if any must be done no >later than this point" (instead of saying "must be done at this >point"). (this point =3D right after the prerequisite section >processing). I am guessing that you mean Paul Vixie, as he has in the past said on the bind-users mailing list that it was all a mistake, e.g. https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/bind-users/2007-July/066869.html Are ISC actually planning to change BIND's slavish adherence to the letter of RFC2136 anyway? I see in the changes file for 9.7.0b2: 2737. [func] UPDATE requests can leak existance information. [RT #17261] (and for those not familiar with BIND's RT numbers, that's far from a being a new one!) I should say that I would be in favour of such a change, and if it needs a published erratum to RFC2136, or an RFC2136-bis, to make it happen, I would be in favour of *that* as well :-) --=20 Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1@ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QH, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 08:02:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB52028C15C; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:02:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.288, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_56=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FBc2CsDN0Q6Q; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AF528C1A0; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:02:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7Wco-00064k-9X for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:57:50 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb:230:48ff:fe5a:2f38] (helo=nsa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7Wcl-00064M-MJ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:57:47 +0000 Received: from nsa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nsa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4671ACE237 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@nsa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:15:13 +0100." <200911090015.BAA03519@TR-Sys.de> References: <200911090015.BAA03519@TR-Sys.de> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.1; nil; GNU Emacs 22.2.1 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:57:47 +0000 Message-ID: <56171.1257782267@nsa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: > From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:15:13 +0100 (MEZ) > > > > > I also had this draft in mind. But given the lack of acceptance of these > ideas (and other multi-question proposals) in the IETF this did not seem > a good base for a *new* proposal. the ietf has not rejected this proposal. it's simply never been heard. you should try writing up a unicast version of the proposal before you declare that it's a bad basis. ietf resists the multicast work because of personal politics having to do with the approach stuart took and various competing work to what apple has now widely implemented. this one element, separated out from the rest of "multicast DNS", and authored by someone other than stuart, would find plenty of traction as i read these tea leaves. > The drawbacks of Additional Data have become more and more evident in the > recent past, and Paul Vixie already has acknowledged that in a follow-up > message to Andrew's response to his posting. i pointed to an area where caution had to be exercised by implementors, not to any reason why this approach should be dismissed. > There seems to be long established consensus that multiple questions (if > considered at all) need to be restricted to same-QNAME plus same-QCLASS. > Multiple Questions (QDCOUNT>1) incur the inherent problem that the > consistency needs to be checked, with many novel error scenarios. yes, and it still runs into the problem where RCODE=NODATA is ambiguous, so i'm not in favour of this approach. > Encoding a multi-question query in a way that inherently enforces that > match-in-QNAME-and-QCLASS restriction and is at least equivalent (or even > better) in terms of packet space requirements might turn out to be a > superior idea. agreed. just as the wire protocol is wrong to treat rrsets as arrays of which must be reassembled by the receiver rather than as which could only be expressed correctly, so it is wrong to express a question as a possible array of rather than as and wrong to express RCODE as a scaler rather than as an array. your proposal here is a sensible way to work around these wire protocol defects. > Additional Section processing for RR types that already do specify that > is entirely orthogonal to the problem considered and I would very much > prefer to leave it out of scope of this discussion. There seems to have > been consensus in the past that Additional Section processing for new RR > types should be avoided wherever possible. i do not agree with your description of current or past consensus on this matter. the add-A for AAAA, add-AAAA for A, approach would get traction and would solve an important problem with no change to the wire protocol and no new negotiations or statefulness. this should be tried in parallel with your more general proposal. > A related request I'd like to recall: Could we please consider in the > EDNS0-bis effort a means to signal the intended behavior regarding EDNS > options that the queried server does not "know" (as in several routing > protocols and RSVP) ? The most easiest way to do so would be to assign > semantics to 2 or 3 most significant bits of the EDNS option type, thus > leaving all legacy options untouched. Useful encoded behavior would > include "mandatory to support", "ignore if unknown", "echo unchanged", > etc. This would be a small "one-change-forever" detail, but a big deal > for the incremental deployment of new EDNS options, such as the RGMASK > proposed for RR Group Queries. (See also the IAB deliberations on > protocol extensibility in draft-iab-extension-recs.) > > More thoughts on this detail soon in a specific note on > draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0. michael graff is the editor of 2671bis and i am sure that he will take your suggestion seriously. send him the text you think should be added? From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 08:45:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C32B3A6B6C; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:45:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gVvxxGcc2ado; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EF53A68BA; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7XGZ-000Ak3-Id for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:38:55 +0000 Received: from [208.86.224.201] (helo=mail.yitter.info) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7XGX-000Aje-8v for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:38:53 +0000 Received: from crankycanuck.ca (69-196-144-230.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D8CB42FE8CA2 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:38:50 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 Message-ID: <20091109163849.GH47598@shinkuro.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 02:21:18PM +0000, Chris Thompson wrote: > I should say that I would be in favour of such a change, and if it > needs a published erratum to RFC2136, or an RFC2136-bis, to make > it happen, I would be in favour of *that* as well :-) Are you so much in favour that you hereby volunteer to review or work on such a document? A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 08:45:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E4D3A698D; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:45:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ATlMNuOfdG8N; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31EB3A6858; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7XKp-000BH3-T5 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:43:19 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb:230:48ff:fe5a:2f38] (helo=nsa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7XKn-000BFw-I7 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:43:17 +0000 Received: from nsa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nsa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48434CE285 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@nsa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:17:55 +0200." <19191.53299.124063.478130@guava.gson.org> References: <82tyx4rv23.fsf@mid.bfk.de> <19191.53299.124063.478130@guava.gson.org> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.1; nil; GNU Emacs 22.2.1 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:43:17 +0000 Message-ID: <58262.1257784997@nsa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:17:55 +0200 > From: Andreas Gustafsson > > Florian Weimer wrote: > > I think moving the ACL check around is covered by the as-if rule. > > It's not, because it will result in different observable behavior: a > different RCODE will be returned in the case where the update request > meets neither the prerequisites nor the security policy. i agree with both of you :-). some members the DNSIND WG (precursor to DNSEXT, but also using the namedroppers@ M/L) wanted clients to know whether an update would not have succeeded anyway, due to prerequisite failures, even if an update would not have been accepted (due to permission failures). i held the opposite view, which is that this was an information leak. i fully intended to write "at or before this point" rather than "at this point". now that the internet is even larger and even more commercial than it was when 2136 was written, my error has been spotlighted. we have seen DoS and we do have the expected information leak. irrespective of the fact that some clients may be depending on using a preresquisite check in an UPDATE even though they would lack permission to apply an UPDATE, i believe that the current definition is overly prescriptive and that implementors ought to be free to put the permission check earlier. clients who break because of this are in my opinion displaying bad manners. zone operators ought to be free to refuse on permission grounds without first refusing on prerequisite grounds. i realize that this is an observable on-the-wire protocol change. however it's also a change to what the editor of the underlying draft intended. i do not know whether that qualifies it as errata but i hope so. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 09:01:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45EC3A698F; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:01:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.111 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.111 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.188, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_UK=1.749, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fGGDgHndu2Ix; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA72C3A68F6; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7XYo-000Cyt-B7 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:57:46 +0000 Received: from [131.111.8.135] (helo=ppsw-5.csi.cam.ac.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7XYm-000Cyb-7G for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:57:44 +0000 X-Cam-AntiVirus: no malware found X-Cam-SpamDetails: not scanned X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.51]:36000) by ppsw-5.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.155]:25) with esmtpa (EXTERNAL:cet1) id 1N7XYj-0004Vv-HB (Exim 4.70) (return-path ); Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:57:41 +0000 Received: from prayer by hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk (hermes.cam.ac.uk) with local (PRAYER:cet1) id 1N7XYj-00067P-A7 (Exim 4.67) (return-path ); Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:57:41 +0000 Received: from [131.111.11.47] by webmail.hermes.cam.ac.uk with HTTP (Prayer-1.3.2); 09 Nov 2009 16:57:41 +0000 Date: 09 Nov 2009 16:57:41 +0000 From: Chris Thompson To: Andrew Sullivan Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Reply-To: cet1@cam.ac.uk Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20091109163849.GH47598@shinkuro.com> References: <20091109163849.GH47598@shinkuro.com> X-Mailer: Prayer v1.3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Nov 9 2009, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 02:21:18PM +0000, Chris Thompson wrote: > >> I should say that I would be in favour of such a change, and if it >> needs a published erratum to RFC2136, or an RFC2136-bis, to make >> it happen, I would be in favour of *that* as well :-) > >Are you so much in favour that you hereby volunteer to review or work >on such a document? I will undertake to review (but not to write) an RFC2136-bis Internet Draft if it decided that is the way to go. I am unclear on what is required in the way of review for an erratum, in the alternative. -- Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1@ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QH, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 09:04:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1E93A69B2; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:04:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oh9-PDV4R+9x; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:04:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C836F3A6992; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:04:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7Xc2-000DUX-KV for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:01:06 +0000 Received: from [208.86.224.201] (helo=mail.yitter.info) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7Xc0-000DUH-IX for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:01:04 +0000 Received: from crankycanuck.ca (69-196-144-230.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 372DE2FE8CA2 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:01:03 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:01:01 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 Message-ID: <20091109170101.GK47598@shinkuro.com> References: <20091109163849.GH47598@shinkuro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 04:57:41PM +0000, Chris Thompson wrote: > I am unclear on what is required in the way of review for an erratum, > in the alternative. Because this is an observable change on the wire, Olafur has already suggested we need a bis. I have to agree, alas. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 09:13:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA223A6948; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:13:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PqSOy15mrtoO; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFEF3A68F6; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7XlG-000EwF-Er for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:10:38 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb:230:48ff:fe5a:2f38] (helo=nsa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7XlE-000Evt-8D for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:10:36 +0000 Received: from nsa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nsa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2F1CE25A; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@nsa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: Andrew Sullivan cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:01:01 EST." <20091109170101.GK47598@shinkuro.com> References: <20091109163849.GH47598@shinkuro.com> <20091109170101.GK47598@shinkuro.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.1; nil; GNU Emacs 22.2.1 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:10:35 +0000 Message-ID: <59571.1257786635@nsa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:01:01 -0500 > From: Andrew Sullivan > > On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 04:57:41PM +0000, Chris Thompson wrote: > > I am unclear on what is required in the way of review for an erratum, > > in the alternative. > > Because this is an observable change on the wire, Olafur has already > suggested we need a bis. I have to agree, alas. because i'm an nroff guy living in an xml world, i won't volunteer to reformat rfc2136 into rfc2625 format. happy to send the nroff source code to anybody who is willing to do that, but note, jon (who was at the time rfc editor) extensively reformatted it, so my source is out of date with respect to the published RFC2136. it may be better to do an import of the text itself. if not for the formatting problems i would undertake 2136-bis. it was a nice piece of work but i can think of myriad small ways the language can be improved. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 09:55:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078DC3A68A3; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:55:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.161 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.161 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Vd2dO4+ugoq; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5523A67B2; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7YNS-000K61-Uf for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:50:06 +0000 Received: from [67.192.241.135] (helo=smtp135.dfw.emailsrvr.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7YNQ-000K5T-Ku for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:50:04 +0000 Received: from relay13.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay13.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CC51C31302EA; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay13.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: schnizlein-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 1127131302E0; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:50:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Message-Id: <9D4E199F-7196-4815-A1E3-0C6C1A23B7B6@isoc.org> From: John Schnizlein To: Olafur Gudmundsson/DNSEXT chair In-Reply-To: <200910292314.n9TNEwWe006035@stora.ogud.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: [dnsext] WGLC: Gost algorithms for DNSSEC Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:49:59 +0900 References: <200910292314.n9TNEwWe006035@stora.ogud.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: I support advancing this draft. On 2009Oct30, at 8:13 AM, Olafur Gudmundsson/DNSEXT chair wrote: > ... WGLC for draft "Use of GOST signature > algorithms in DNSKEY and RRSIG Resource Records for DNSSEC" > URL for the document and its history: > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost > The document is on the standards track. Unlike Paul Hoffman's (comments in the WG meeting), I am not concerned with which track the resulting RFC is on. I agree with Paul that whatever the track, advancement should enable assignment of the code points necessary for implementers to demonstrate interoperation. > ... > Please read the document carefully, and send comments to the working > group. nit: section 2.1 s/prepend last 64 octets/prepend the last 64 octets/ Rationale: This specification appears to be part of a good-faith effort to enable seamless integration of secure entry points (SEPs) in the root with already required use of particular algorithms in particular circumstances. The right place for SEPs to simplify validation chains is the root. Accommodating pre-existing local requirements, with minimal intrusion on the rest of the community, removes an unnecessary barrier to deployment. I have heard only two objections, which are answered as follows: (1) Introducing algorithms that do not have the benefit of global examination risks compromise through weak security - but only the local zones required to use this algorithm have any reason to incur this risk, and they deserve the compromise if they bring it on themselves this way. (2) Allocating protocol code-points for a narrowly applicable set of algorithms risks depleting the small set available to everyone - this specification should be treated as a demonstration of feasibility. If feasibility is demonstrated in deployment (the Internet way), the question of what conservation policies should apply would be worth investigating. John From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 10:47:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACE93A698E; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:47:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.493, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Q8BFpAJy4WR; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B773A692E; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7ZBe-0004og-9T for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:41:58 +0000 Received: from [198.32.6.68] (helo=vacation.karoshi.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7ZBV-0004nm-KH for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:41:49 +0000 Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by vacation.karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id nA9IdhR5022755; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:39:43 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id nA9IdhWG022754; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:39:43 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:39:43 +0000 From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com To: Paul Vixie Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Message-ID: <20091109183943.GA22587@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <200911090015.BAA03519@TR-Sys.de> <56171.1257782267@nsa.vix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <56171.1257782267@nsa.vix.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 03:57:47PM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote: > > From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= > > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 01:15:13 +0100 (MEZ) > > > > > > > > > I also had this draft in mind. But given the lack of acceptance of these > > ideas (and other multi-question proposals) in the IETF this did not seem > > a good base for a *new* proposal. > > the ietf has not rejected this proposal. it's simply never been heard. you actually, the IETF has rejected this work. It was pushed out of DNSEXT since there was too much on the plate (DNSSEC drafts) at the time, was moved to ZEROCONF, its own BOFs, then back to DNSEXT, where there was a mandate from the Chairs and AD to have LLMAR and Stewarts work resolve their differences and then bring things forward. From what I can tell, since apple had a reasonable deployed base, and there was either apathy or outright hostility to the approach, they chose to keep working on these ideas independently. Ob: I -still- have a pending ID that is now pushing a decade that talks about an attribute of multicast DNS. The holdup? IETF process issues. the document itself has not chanaged in eight years - modulo required changes in boilerplate. That may not be outright rejection, but an indefinate tabling is as bad or worse. > this one element, separated > out from the rest of "multicast DNS", and authored by someone other than > stuart, would find plenty of traction as i read these tea leaves. if you truely believe that - i would love to see any fact-based data to back up your faith. why do you think things have changed, in either the WG, the IESG, or the IAB to foster/encourage this stuff? --bill From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 11:20:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BF83A6B78; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:20:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6NcGIVbD1Kp0; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:20:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9D93A6B6A; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:20:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7ZiS-0008TZ-Tj for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:15:52 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb:230:48ff:fe5a:2f38] (helo=nsa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7ZiQ-0008TO-6K for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:15:50 +0000 Received: from nsa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nsa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F57CE2B2 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:15:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@nsa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:39:43 GMT." <20091109183943.GA22587@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <200911090015.BAA03519@TR-Sys.de> <56171.1257782267@nsa.vix.com> <20091109183943.GA22587@vacation.karoshi.com.> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.1; nil; GNU Emacs 22.2.1 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:15:49 +0000 Message-ID: <65050.1257794149@nsa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:39:43 +0000 > From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com > > > > > > > > the ietf has not rejected this proposal. it's simply never been heard. > > actually, the IETF has rejected this work. i appear to have misspoke. the ietf has rejected apple's multicast dns work, that's true. instead of apple's busted-ass multicast dns we have microsoft's busted-ass multicast dns, at least as far as the standards are concerned. (i note that apple's has greater market share.) the work that ietf has not rejected, is "add A for AAAA, add AAAA for A". that's what we need to write up and formally propose. it'll sail through. > > this one element, separated out from the rest of "multicast DNS", and > > authored by someone other than stuart, would find plenty of traction as > > i read these tea leaves. > > if you truely believe that - i would love to see any fact-based > data to back up your faith. why do you think things have changed, > in either the WG, the IESG, or the IAB to foster/encourage this > stuff? since i said "separated out from the rest of multicast DNS" and you answered as though i had not said that, i think we're in different conversations now. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 12:36:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36B93A6938; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:36:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L-W11T6m3VmG; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71F83A67C2; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7at2-000GKM-1S for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:30:52 +0000 Received: from [2001:dc0:2001:11::199] (helo=asmtp.apnic.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7arU-000G8n-IS for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:29:16 +0000 Received: from host-112-64.meeting.ietf.org (host-112-64.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.112.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by asmtp.apnic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED7CD58C4; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:38:34 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: Geoff Huston In-Reply-To: <59571.1257786635@nsa.vix.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:29:12 +1100 Cc: Andrew Sullivan , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6DF2767C-5F87-4ED0-AFDC-F573793C9627@apnic.net> References: <20091109163849.GH47598@shinkuro.com> <20091109170101.GK47598@shinkuro.com> <59571.1257786635@nsa.vix.com> To: Paul Vixie X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On 10/11/2009, at 4:10 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: >> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:01:01 -0500 >> From: Andrew Sullivan >> >> On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 04:57:41PM +0000, Chris Thompson wrote: >>> I am unclear on what is required in the way of review for an >>> erratum, >>> in the alternative. >> >> Because this is an observable change on the wire, Olafur has already >> suggested we need a bis. I have to agree, alas. > > because i'm an nroff guy living in an xml world, i won't volunteer to > reformat rfc2136 into rfc2625 format. happy to send the nroff source > code to anybody who is willing to do that, but note, jon (who was at > the time rfc editor) extensively reformatted it, so my source is out > of date with respect to the published RFC2136. it may be better to do > an import of the text itself. > > if not for the formatting problems i would undertake 2136-bis. it was > a nice piece of work but i can think of myriad small ways the language > can be improved. > rfc2625 format. But RFC2625 is "IP and ARP over Fibre Channel" IF you mean that you'll do this if someone hand formats rfc2136 into XML RFC2629 format then you are on Paul - I'll send you the equivalent XML shortly! Geoff From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 12:38:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7986928C1EC; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:38:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I2xxYWMkqL+1; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B6728C1D0; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7at9-000GL6-3k for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:30:59 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb:230:48ff:fe5a:2f38] (helo=nsa.vix.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7asT-000GFz-8a for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:30:17 +0000 Received: from nsa.vix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nsa.vix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B43CE2D0; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:30:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vixie@nsa.vix.com) From: Paul Vixie To: Geoff Huston cc: Andrew Sullivan , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:29:12 +1100." <6DF2767C-5F87-4ED0-AFDC-F573793C9627@apnic.net> References: <20091109163849.GH47598@shinkuro.com> <20091109170101.GK47598@shinkuro.com> <59571.1257786635@nsa.vix.com> <6DF2767C-5F87-4ED0-AFDC-F573793C9627@apnic.net> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.1; nil; GNU Emacs 22.2.1 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:30:16 +0000 Message-ID: <68487.1257798616@nsa.vix.com> Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: > IF you mean that you'll do this if someone hand formats rfc2136 into XML > RFC2629 format then you are on Paul - I'll send you the equivalent XML > shortly! oops. yes. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 15:28:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145423A69DF; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:28:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.413 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.413 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.918, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H-zjrXYJmLuM; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4CA3A68C1; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7dYi-0006vF-DR for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:22:04 +0000 Received: from [66.92.146.20] (helo=stora.ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7dYf-0006uU-Te for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:22:02 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nA9NLtYe090230; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:21:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200911092321.nA9NLtYe090230@stora.ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:21:57 -0500 To: Paul Vixie From: Olafur Gudmundsson Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org In-Reply-To: <59571.1257786635@nsa.vix.com> References: <20091109163849.GH47598@shinkuro.com> <20091109170101.GK47598@shinkuro.com> <59571.1257786635@nsa.vix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 66.92.146.20 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: FWIW, I have a copy of the nroff file that the rfc-editor used to generate RFC2136. Olafur At 12:10 09/11/2009, Paul Vixie wrote: > > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:01:01 -0500 > > From: Andrew Sullivan > > > > On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 04:57:41PM +0000, Chris Thompson wrote: > > > I am unclear on what is required in the way of review for an erratum, > > > in the alternative. > > > > Because this is an observable change on the wire, Olafur has already > > suggested we need a bis. I have to agree, alas. > >because i'm an nroff guy living in an xml world, i won't volunteer to >reformat rfc2136 into rfc2625 format. happy to send the nroff source >code to anybody who is willing to do that, but note, jon (who was at >the time rfc editor) extensively reformatted it, so my source is out >of date with respect to the published RFC2136. it may be better to do >an import of the text itself. > >if not for the formatting problems i would undertake 2136-bis. it was >a nice piece of work but i can think of myriad small ways the language >can be improved. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 9 17:40:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C992328C197; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:40:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6LZNYpSo7pvn; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59033A69DF; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7fdC-000Kes-5u for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:34:50 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:ba:21f:c6ff:fe69:9eea] (helo=toccata.fugue.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7fd9-000KeU-09 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:34:47 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2001:dfb::128:226:b0ff:fef1:d7ae] (unknown [IPv6:2001:dfb:0:128:226:b0ff:fef1:d7ae]) by toccata.fugue.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC83A34E555A; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:37:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [dnsext] draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ted Lemon In-Reply-To: <56171.1257782267@nsa.vix.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:34:44 +0900 Cc: "namedroppers@ops.ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <200911090015.BAA03519@TR-Sys.de> <56171.1257782267@nsa.vix.com> To: Paul Vixie X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:57 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: > ietf resists the multicast work because of personal > politics having to do with the approach stuart took and various = competing > work to what apple has now widely implemented. If Stuart's proposals are indeed currently being ignored because of some = personal issues on the part of influential IETF participants, that needs = to be fixed. It shouldn't be the case that Stuart has to get someone = to submit his drafts for him, and if that is the case we should not = simply acknowledge it--we should do something about it. The whole zeroconf fiasco is one of the worst things I have ever seen = the IETF do, and to characterize it as an Apple vs. Microsoft thing is = to rewrite history - it was a couple of IETF participants with no stake = in the game who created the breakage, not Apple or Microsoft. On the plus side, it's probably one of the main reasons why your Mac = uses IPv6 instead of IPv4 to do ad-hoc communications with other macs on = the same wire, so it was a good, if inadvertent, win for early IPv6 = deployment. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 10 00:59:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE553A6A42; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:59:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8WQujqPQHhnt; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:59:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260F13A6862; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7mTo-000HxP-12 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:53:36 +0000 Received: from [2a02:760:1002:15::14] (helo=mail.kirei.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7mTj-000Hwm-UK for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:53:32 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=kirei.se; s=wagaya20060620; t=1257843208; bh=Jpol9twfLi+Uz3jfsmbUk5atI2RdZPcEBPHJP0iFLbc=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To; b=KAL7dtbO5AKGeGa9+KyZYQWUTahNZ8Z96uoECH470OLD34zAGtpSb/2G4rxyWb8vC PTV0S6/l/0tcgH0T+7NMjhiUQboC9MoFsIQ6no0wjy6d61FAkUPJXLTHxbhxAqCsQy K1CsGpqphcMB5co63oGT/T9JBIl0rPNUAYdEJgTI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [dnsext] Re: IETF 76: Root DNSSEC Presentation with Q&A (room changed) From: Jakob Schlyter In-Reply-To: <74AF7E07-285F-406F-B59B-6D8F3B063278@kirei.se> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:53:23 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7C920A62-BF3A-488C-9380-115BD16BDECF@kirei.se> References: <388581B7-698F-4318-8CF9-9632E3192177@kirei.se> <74AF7E07-285F-406F-B59B-6D8F3B063278@kirei.se> To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On 4 nov 2009, at 14.14, Jakob Schlyter wrote: > I'm happy to invite DNSSEC deployment list members to the following > event: > > Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 15:10-16:10 > Room: Castleview 1 FYI, the room as been changed to Acacia East. Jakob From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 10 01:22:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BB428C16D; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:22:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HwC7HcTXltBv; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A95428C161; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7mqA-000KeU-LH for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:16:42 +0000 Received: from [2001:7b8:206:1::1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7mq6-000Kdz-CS for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:16:38 +0000 Received: from gary.nlnetlabs.nl (gary.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1:216:76ff:feb8:1853]) (authenticated bits=0) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAA9FBvo075979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:15:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wouter@nlnetlabs.nl) Message-ID: <4AF92F1F.4060803@nlnetlabs.nl> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:15:11 +0100 From: "W.C.A. Wijngaards" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20091014 Fedora/3.0-2.8.b4.fc11 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Schnizlein CC: Olafur Gudmundsson/DNSEXT chair , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] WGLC: Gost algorithms for DNSSEC References: <200910292314.n9TNEwWe006035@stora.ogud.com> <9D4E199F-7196-4815-A1E3-0C6C1A23B7B6@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <9D4E199F-7196-4815-A1E3-0C6C1A23B7B6@isoc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::53]); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:15:11 +0100 (CET) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On 11/09/2009 06:49 PM, John Schnizlein wrote: > I support advancing this draft. +1 > On 2009Oct30, at 8:13 AM, Olafur Gudmundsson/DNSEXT chair wrote: >> The document is on the standards track. > > Unlike Paul Hoffman's (comments in the WG meeting), I am not concerned > with which track the resulting RFC is on. > I agree with Paul that whatever the track, advancement should enable > assignment of the code points necessary for implementers to demonstrate > interoperation. +1 >> Please read the document carefully, and send comments to the working >> group. The section with the example signature could be improved by adding text that the example signature can be verified with an implementation to test it. Generating your own signature produces a different one due to a random step in the signature process. I implemented an experimental signer and validator using openssl 1.0.0 beta. It worked with the (updated) examples. Best regards, Wouter From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 10 05:50:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1AD3A68B5; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:50:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.428 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.428 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.172, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qQg5uVq3ekmY; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10DC3A689F; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:50:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7qyO-000LYR-0A for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:41:28 +0000 Received: from [2001:470:1f12:420::2] (helo=mail.bortzmeyer.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7qyL-000LXt-SV for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:41:26 +0000 Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 1EBFB94E10; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:41:23 +0100 (CET) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CE06B157767; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:36:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:36:28 +0900 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Andras Salamon Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] Re: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Message-ID: <20091110133628.GA12104@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> <20091107110107.GA4827@gaon.net> <20091107135821.GA27137@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <20091108104502.GA1125@gaon.net> <20091108113826.GA22532@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091108113826.GA22532@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.10 (intrepid) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 08:38:26PM +0900, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote a message of 14 lines which said: > We'll discuss it tomorrow if you want (outside of the WG because I'm > afraid there is no free slot in the agenda). You'll see it in the minutes but there were a few minutes left to discuss your proposal. The general advice seems to be "Interesting, deserves a proper I-D". Off-mike, someone suggested, in a section of the I-D, to compare with other solutions, such as sending N requests in parallel. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 10 07:21:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E611328C122; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:21:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ozvPcwLvfDvO; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F209E3A67E6; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7sRH-0006pG-JE for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:15:23 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:36::162] (helo=mon.jinmei.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7sRD-0006p2-Tg for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:15:19 +0000 Received: from jmb.jinmei.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:dfb:0:112:217:f2ff:fee0:a91f]) by mon.jinmei.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B2C7933C3B; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:15:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:15:14 +0900 Message-ID: From: JINMEI Tatuya / =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCP0BMQEMjOkgbKEI=?= To: Bob Halley Cc: "namedroppers@ops.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 In-Reply-To: <7423D0C2-97D0-4BDE-BC9B-31B24D148ABD@nominum.com> References: <7423D0C2-97D0-4BDE-BC9B-31B24D148ABD@nominum.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/22.1 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: At Mon, 9 Nov 2009 04:12:08 -0800, Bob Halley wrote: > > I think I agree, but IMO this is actually beyond the scope of errata. > > To me, the position of the ACL check is a bug of the original > > specification; allowing roll-back due to a delayed ACL check is a > > possible extended clarification suitable for an update to the base > > spec. > > The current standard says you "should" do all of the checking before > executing updates, lest you do extra work rolling back. Your proposed > text said "if these verification activities are to be performed, such > performance must take place by this point in the server's processing", > and it was the conversion of "should" into "must" that I was objecting > to. Ah, I see. I didn't intend to make this point stronger in the proposed text; it's just a wording error. All I wanted to make is to clearly state we can perform permission checks before prerequisite or zone section processing. So the revised proposed text would be: NEW: 3.3.2. While the exact processing is implementation defined, if these verification activities are to be performed, such performance should take place by this point in the server's processing. This is because if a REFUSED condition is encountered after an update has been partially applied, it will be necessary to undo the partial update and restore the zone to its original state before answering the requestor. Note also that the verification activities can happen before processing the zone or prerequisite section, depending on the local policy and implementation. (the only change is must->should in the third line) ...although I'm afraid such a wording tweak has become a minor issue now that a simple errata approach doesn't seem to be accepted. --- JINMEI, Tatuya Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 10 09:30:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BBC3A6917; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:30:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.888 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.962, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, J_CHICKENPOX_24=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h57X5PzHnmDi; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DACD3A685E; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7uRN-0002Bu-IV for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:23:37 +0000 Received: from [213.178.172.147] (helo=TR-Sys.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7uRJ-0002B8-GZ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:23:34 +0000 Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3.2) id AA112083758; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:22:38 +0100 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id SAA06630; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:22:37 +0100 (MEZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200911101722.SAA06630@TR-Sys.de> Subject: Source material for RFCs (was: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136) To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:22:36 +0100 (MEZ) X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: At Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:21:57 -0500, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > FWIW, I have a copy of the nroff file that the rfc-editor used > to generate RFC2136. > > Olafur There's (in general) no need to escape to private copies. It is an explicit task [*] of the RFC Editor to securely archive the 'source' documents used to generate RFCs as well, and to hand out copies of these files to interested parties, e.g. for the purpose of performing follow-up work. So simply ask the RFC Editor if there's a need! Kind regards, Alfred. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 10 12:06:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A44A3A6928; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:06:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.289, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dAbg2v44DzBh; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEDC3A68D2; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7wtH-000K5G-Kw for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:00:35 +0000 Received: from [2001:1890:1112:1::20] (helo=mail.ietf.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7wtD-000K4t-L9 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:00:31 +0000 Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 170B93A6784; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-02.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091110200002.170B93A6784@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:02 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DNS Extensions Working Group of the IETF. Title : Use of GOST signature algorithms in DNSKEY and RRSIG Resource Records for DNSSEC Author(s) : V. Dolmatov, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-02.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2009-11-10 This document describes how to produce GOST signature and hash algorithms DNSKEY and RRSIG resource records for use in the Domain Name System Security Extensions (DNSSEC, RFC 4033, RFC 4034, and RFC 4035). V.Dolmatov Expires May 10, 2010 [page 1] A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-11-10115840.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 10 12:48:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8308B3A68D6; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:48:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.374 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.374 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.225, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DUmepadmXSa4; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898E93A68AF; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7xYh-000PPx-Ng for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:43:23 +0000 Received: from [2001:dc0:2001:11::199] (helo=asmtp.apnic.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7xYb-000PPW-PP for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:43:18 +0000 Received: from host-112-64.meeting.ietf.org (host-112-64.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.112.64]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by asmtp.apnic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30264D58CB; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:52:41 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [dnsext] a possible errata to RFC2136 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes From: Geoff Huston In-Reply-To: <68487.1257798616@nsa.vix.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:43:12 +1100 Cc: Andrew Sullivan , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4DD0A3CB-8F09-4783-B3A2-49901BB69E21@apnic.net> References: <20091109163849.GH47598@shinkuro.com> <20091109170101.GK47598@shinkuro.com> <59571.1257786635@nsa.vix.com> <6DF2767C-5F87-4ED0-AFDC-F573793C9627@apnic.net> <68487.1257798616@nsa.vix.com> To: Paul Vixie X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On 10/11/2009, at 7:30 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: >> IF you mean that you'll do this if someone hand formats rfc2136 >> into XML >> RFC2629 format then you are on Paul - I'll send you the equivalent >> XML >> shortly! > > oops. yes. rfc2136.xml is at http://www.potaroo.net/xml/rfc2136.xml (Its as close as I can get it - the RFC formats have changes slightly, nd XML can't replicate the untitled 3rd level sections as distinct sections, but most of it translated into XML cleanly) over to you.. :-) Geoff From tensingllyv1780@revhosting.com Tue Nov 10 13:17:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BD13A6B53; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:17:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.369 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_FAKE_RCVD_LINE_B=5.777, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.561, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d+NvO7c8FmBP; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from 125-239-45-150.jetstream.xtra.co.nz (125-239-45-150.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [125.239.45.150]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC353A68C5; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from 125.239.45.150 by p.nsm.ctmail.com; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:17:30 +1200 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:17:30 +1200 From: "Bradly Guidry" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 10 13:35:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F393A6A2A; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:35:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.681, BAYES_05=-1.11, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI=-4.3, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED=-4.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NTPXtt4EGU9u; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DDA3A6B65; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7yIK-00056a-C5 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:30:32 +0000 Received: from [208.31.42.53] (helo=gal.iecc.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N7yID-000567-Sl for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:30:26 +0000 Received: (qmail 43257 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2009 21:30:22 -0000 Received: from mail1.iecc.com (208.31.42.56) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2009 21:30:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=k0910; olt=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=ZiXgThZ/Lt5S4Sr5aaCMgQrakVLtUdtvYjuGAHcrmDI=; b=RQFe5c3dsEkgE2XGYqMGO0X7mvSSo5/M4PP06iZkZJTeYJkBJn83aDjp6QICQiqN1magJHaGnuOxOI3jJ8fv7j1d+uiOLhb922EHLQV59yq7NohM4eR2NvJpM7NXJmtDZGlTREyvkVs0opPq50vcn+Jv1L/fF5VytSeThd+m7FE= Date: 10 Nov 2009 21:30:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20091110213022.12710.qmail@simone.iecc.com> From: John Levine To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal In-Reply-To: <20091109072629.GA26172@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> Organization: Cc: bortzmeyer@nic.fr X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: >Mentioned by Alfred: TXT records together with PTR records on DNSBL >lookups, mail policy TXT RRs together with MX RRs. For DNSBLs, that's actually A and TXT records. It would make sense when either is requested to return the other in the additional section. I'll put that on the list for rbldnsd. R's, John From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 10 17:17:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269753A67B6; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:17:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.153, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hCSbGnfod2wj; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552703A679C; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N81j5-0001cV-Mz for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:10:23 +0000 Received: from [2001:470:1f12:420::2] (helo=mail.bortzmeyer.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N81j2-0001c0-AQ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:10:20 +0000 Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 4460F94EE9; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:10:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by horcrux (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DE479157767; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:04:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:04:40 +0900 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Andras Salamon Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] Re: draft-li-dnsext-ipv4-ipv6 -- a more versatile proposal Message-ID: <20091111010440.GA30163@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <200911062102.WAA27842@TR-Sys.de> <20091107110107.GA4827@gaon.net> <20091107135821.GA27137@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <20091108104502.GA1125@gaon.net> <20091108113826.GA22532@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> <20091110133628.GA12104@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091110133628.GA12104@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 8.10 (intrepid) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:36:28PM +0900, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote a message of 13 lines which said: > You'll see it in the minutes but there were a few minutes left to > discuss your proposal. I meant Alfred's proposal, sorry. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 10 19:12:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DF028C280; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:12:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.518 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.518 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.081, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2G3SQAMqfUB7; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FD528C27B; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N83YD-000Io2-MW for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:07:17 +0000 Received: from [204.152.189.190] (helo=virtualized.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N83YA-000Ine-LK for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:07:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virtualized.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F5D906864; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:07:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at virtualized.org Received: from virtualized.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (trantor.virtualized.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lMD0PICl2WlC; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from wlan39-128.mdr.icann.org (wlan39-128.mdr.icann.org [192.0.39.128]) by virtualized.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B14906855; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:07:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [dnsext] WGLC: Gost algorithms for DNSSEC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Conrad In-Reply-To: <4AF92F1F.4060803@nlnetlabs.nl> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:07:13 -0800 Cc: Olafur Gudmundsson/DNSEXT chair , IETF DNSEXT WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <27FFD243-3F4B-41C6-A0DA-B81BD5C79E79@virtualized.org> References: <200910292314.n9TNEwWe006035@stora.ogud.com> <9D4E199F-7196-4815-A1E3-0C6C1A23B7B6@isoc.org> <4AF92F1F.4060803@nlnetlabs.nl> To: W.C.A. Wijngaards X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Nov 10, 2009, at 1:15 AM, W.C.A. Wijngaards wrote: > On 11/09/2009 06:49 PM, John Schnizlein wrote: >> I support advancing this draft. > +1 +1 Regards, -drc From beastlyisj7@rokstadford.com Tue Nov 10 20:35:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611323A6942; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:35:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.348 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.348 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_DYNAMIC_SPLIT_IP=3.493, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, HOST_EQ_STATIC=1.172, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.561, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PiiumvymnCW4; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from 015.136.48.116.static.netvigator.com (015.136.48.116.static.netvigator.com [116.48.136.15]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AA73A67AF; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from 116.48.136.15 by rokstadford.com; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:35:34 +0800 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:35:34 +0800 From: "Monty Perkins" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA628F.1D176BC0-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 10 21:52:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DC03A6C1C; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:52:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j7dYyEzQem5C; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CFD3A6C1B; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:52:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8627-0009Vw-IN for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:46:19 +0000 Received: from [2a02:760:1002:15::14] (helo=mail.kirei.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8622-0009UT-N1 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:46:14 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=kirei.se; s=wagaya20060620; t=1257918372; bh=BtHVAQFAWU7LfqNlYPYhthqZsaxDtLWhDKCddCnpgms=; h=Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To; b=Zi3BLSj10GTL8TyZiDFWFxA33gjOn+m+yRgEIqC4Qa2/QZk9K6HYkuB8Xmdlteho9 C2RJ274qasoaUiTOHPk+QGIZgyHumU/CUVzztWzJPeVboSH3bs/dVJFzbXWMcFnur5 4D3vHYpvlv5Nbp+To2DthuXs9JUPRsYmmkGuJTg4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Subject: [dnsext] Re: IETF 76: Root DNSSEC Presentation with Q&A (room changed again) From: Jakob Schlyter In-Reply-To: <7C920A62-BF3A-488C-9380-115BD16BDECF@kirei.se> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:46:02 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <64CB8F13-D850-4356-B677-4E733A2323AB@kirei.se> References: <388581B7-698F-4318-8CF9-9632E3192177@kirei.se> <74AF7E07-285F-406F-B59B-6D8F3B063278@kirei.se> <7C920A62-BF3A-488C-9380-115BD16BDECF@kirei.se> To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: we've been moved (once again), this time to Cattleya West. sorry for the fuzz. jakob From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 10 22:33:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386543A69B3; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:33:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.518 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.518 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.081, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YXEiEm+fOXU5; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0E528C2BD; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N86hn-000E0u-QI for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:29:23 +0000 Received: from [149.20.58.5] (helo=mail.dns-oarc.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N86hk-000E0D-E1 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:29:20 +0000 Received: by mail.dns-oarc.net (Postfix, from userid 11202) id E53EABE1A9; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:29:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dns-oarc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0574BDC4D; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wessels@dns-oarc.net) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:29:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Duane Wessels To: Nicholas Weaver cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> <20091104192634.GA31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Nicholas Weaver wrote: > Also, has someone done a study what the major recursive resolvers do on > response failures from a root? Do they go to another first or do they try a > smaller EDNS MTU? I gave a presentation on this at the DNS-OARC meeting last week: https://www.dns-oarc.net/files/workshop-200911/Duane_Wessels.pdf I was only able to test BIND (9.4.3) and Unbound (1.3.3) before the workshop. I've since learned that since my graphs only show 7 seconds after the initial query, it misses Unbound's fallback to TCP, which takes longer than that. Duane W. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 10 22:45:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9D13A68F3; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:45:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XsJJg2Mp4T-F; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4BB3A698E; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N86uR-000FWt-8Y for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:42:27 +0000 Received: from [2001:dc0:2001:11::199] (helo=asmtp.apnic.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N86uM-000FVn-Lo for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:42:23 +0000 Received: from host-24-67.meeting.ietf.org (host-24-67.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.24.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by asmtp.apnic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D527D58C1; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:51:49 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: George Michaelson In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:42:16 +0900 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> <20091104192634.GA31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On 11/11/2009, at 3:29 PM, Duane Wessels wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Nicholas Weaver wrote: >=20 >> Also, has someone done a study what the major recursive resolvers do = on response failures from a root? Do they go to another first or do = they try a smaller EDNS MTU? >=20 > I gave a presentation on this at the DNS-OARC meeting last week: >=20 > https://www.dns-oarc.net/files/workshop-200911/Duane_Wessels.pdf >=20 > I was only able to test BIND (9.4.3) and Unbound (1.3.3) before the > workshop. >=20 > I've since learned that since my graphs only show 7 seconds after > the initial query, it misses Unbound's fallback to TCP, which > takes longer than that. Great presentation. I encourage everyone to read this document. Duane shows an incredibly = high packet amplification in some circumstances, of 30 or more = subsequent (sys/glue) queries each having to hunt to the optimal MTU. And the total traffic count rises as well of course. yes, its a corner case. Alas, its a corner case we can predict will = exist for disadvantaged people behind broken middleware and old = software. -George= From blastingxv3@rivertext.com Tue Nov 10 23:05:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFA83A6C16; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:05:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR=2.426, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.561, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G9OYFGc9+ceA; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:05:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rrcs-66-91-155-174.west.biz.rr.com (rrcs-66-91-155-174.west.biz.rr.com [66.91.155.174]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA04E3A6B8A; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:05:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from 66.91.155.174 by rivertext.com; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:05:07 -1000 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:05:07 -1000 From: "Hal Chung" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 11 07:05:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF863A68CB; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:05:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.391 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.391 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.343, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dOay8aE4DCHZ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF223A67E5; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8Eej-000OxR-8C for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:58:45 +0000 Received: from [192.150.186.11] (helo=fruitcake.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8Eef-000Ox2-0c for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:58:41 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:::1] (jack.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU [192.150.186.73]) by fruitcake.ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nABEwPOd017095; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:58:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Nicholas Weaver In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:58:25 -0800 Cc: Nicholas Weaver , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> <20091104192634.GA31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> To: George Michaelson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:42 PM, George Michaelson wrote: > On 11/11/2009, at 3:29 PM, Duane Wessels wrote: >> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Nicholas Weaver wrote: >>=20 >>> Also, has someone done a study what the major recursive resolvers do = on response failures from a root? Do they go to another first or do = they try a smaller EDNS MTU? >>=20 >> I gave a presentation on this at the DNS-OARC meeting last week: >>=20 >> https://www.dns-oarc.net/files/workshop-200911/Duane_Wessels.pdf >>=20 >> I was only able to test BIND (9.4.3) and Unbound (1.3.3) before the >> workshop. >>=20 >> I've since learned that since my graphs only show 7 seconds after >> the initial query, it misses Unbound's fallback to TCP, which >> takes longer than that. >=20 > Great presentation. A strong second, and many thanks for posting this. The only other thing which needs to be added is understanding what = happens at the 1500B MTU point rather than the 512B point (increase key = size and/or record count to hit), since our early testing with Netalyzr = showed that its the 1500B boundary that is the big problem for most = recursive resolvers, due to firewall rules and similar that can't handle = UDP fragments. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 11 08:50:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42AA3A6AF2; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:50:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.547 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.052, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x6pBwNnPgSFr; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94863A6B07; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8GK1-000D3j-HG for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:45:29 +0000 Received: from [66.92.146.20] (helo=stora.ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8GJx-000D2o-Ug for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:45:26 +0000 Received: from stora.ogud.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nABGjOEr015601 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:45:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from namedroppers@stora.ogud.com) Received: (from namedroppers@localhost) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id nABGjO8X015600 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:45:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from namedroppers) Received: from [2001:dc0:2001:11::199] (helo=asmtp.apnic.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N86vS-000Fgp-Pv for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:43:31 +0000 Received: from host-24-67.meeting.ietf.org (host-24-67.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.24.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by asmtp.apnic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58915D58C1; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:52:58 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: George Michaelson In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:43:26 +0900 Cc: dnsop@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <200911041858.TAA24009@TR-Sys.de> <20091104192634.GA31981@vacation.karoshi.com.> To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 66.92.146.20 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: [ Moderators note: Post was moderated, either because it was posted by a non-subscriber, or because it was over 20K. With the massive amount of spam, it is easy to miss and therefore delete relevant posts by non-subscribers. Please fix your subscription addresses. ] On 11/11/2009, at 3:29 PM, Duane Wessels wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Nicholas Weaver wrote: >=20 >> Also, has someone done a study what the major recursive resolvers do = on response failures from a root? Do they go to another first or do = they try a smaller EDNS MTU? >=20 > I gave a presentation on this at the DNS-OARC meeting last week: >=20 > https://www.dns-oarc.net/files/workshop-200911/Duane_Wessels.pdf >=20 > I was only able to test BIND (9.4.3) and Unbound (1.3.3) before the > workshop. >=20 > I've since learned that since my graphs only show 7 seconds after > the initial query, it misses Unbound's fallback to TCP, which > takes longer than that. Great presentation. I encourage everyone to read this document. Duane shows an incredibly = high packet amplification in some circumstances, of 30 or more = subsequent (sys/glue) queries each having to hunt to the optimal MTU. And the total traffic count rises as well of course. yes, its a corner case. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Nov 12 00:58:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B543A68CF; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:58:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OPpH+w3MU91U; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AEC3A6A24; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8VP3-000Lh1-WA for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:51:42 +0000 Received: from [2001:7b8:206:1::1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8VP0-000LgT-4w for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:51:38 +0000 Received: from gary.nlnetlabs.nl (gary.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1:216:76ff:feb8:1853]) (authenticated bits=0) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAC8pY7L089920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:51:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wouter@nlnetlabs.nl) Message-ID: <4AFBCC96.5070303@nlnetlabs.nl> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:51:34 +0100 From: "W.C.A. Wijngaards" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20091014 Fedora/3.0-2.8.b4.fc11 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] NSEC and algo 7 - dnssec-bis updates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::53]); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:51:34 +0100 (CET) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Hi, RFC5155(NSEC3) defines new algorithms as aliases for old DSA and RSASHA1 to help backwards compatibility from old NSEC-only servers to servers that are NSEC3-aware. (these two are DSA-NSEC3-SHA1[6] and RSASHA1-NSEC3-SHA1[7]). From my recollection I know that both NSEC and NSEC3 are accepted for a zone signed with algo 6 or 7. RFC5155 does not make a straight statement about this. (it also does not say that nsec with algo7 is bogus). Since the original reason was to signal nsec3-understanding, it is more lenient to accept both nsec and nsec3 for these algorithm identifiers. I propose to add text to dnssec-bis updates for this: DNSKEY algorithm identifiers DSA-NSEC3-SHA1[6] and RSASHA1-NSEC3-SHA1[7] may be used with NSEC or NSEC3 for secure denial. Best regards, Wouter From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Nov 12 01:07:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE4928C178; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:07:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RCGRuPvA8JCC; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9BD28C16C; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8Vb9-000NCQ-1x for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:04:11 +0000 Received: from [2001:7b8:206:1::1] (helo=open.nlnetlabs.nl) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8Vb4-000NBT-SJ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:04:07 +0000 Received: from gary.nlnetlabs.nl (gary.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1:216:76ff:feb8:1853]) (authenticated bits=0) by open.nlnetlabs.nl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAC944ED091057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:04:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wouter@nlnetlabs.nl) Message-ID: <4AFBCF84.7030203@nlnetlabs.nl> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:04:04 +0100 From: "W.C.A. Wijngaards" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20091014 Fedora/3.0-2.8.b4.fc11 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] DNSKEY signatures - dnssec-bis updates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.3 (open.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2001:7b8:206:1::1]); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:04:04 +0100 (CET) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Hi, In RFC4034 it says that the DNSKEY RRset has to be signed with all keys in it. However current (best practice?) is that this is not required, but optional. It MAY be signed with all keys, but signing with less produces a smaller DNSKEY RRset which helps with other (PMTU) things. I propose to add text to dnssec-bis updates to cover this: The DNSKEY RRset at the zone apex MAY be signed by all keys. It MUST be signed with a key for which a DS exists at a parent, or which is the current trust anchor, otherwise a validator cannot form a chain of trust to the zone. It MAY be signed with keys that are not actually in the keyset (this is for corner cases with old trust anchors). If multiple algorithms are in use, it MUST be signed with them (this rule does not change from RFC4034). (You may want to add text to explain that a DLV is like a DS for this, or leave that as (like, totally) obvious to the reader). :-) Best regards, Wouter From molesting5@royalfirst.com Thu Nov 12 01:52:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BF928C16C; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:52:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -27.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-27.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.561, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kIbd41yDiobo; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ipn36372-c65930.cidr.lightship.net (ipn36372-c65930.cidr.lightship.net [216.204.70.10]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05C23A6B90; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:52:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from 216.204.70.10 by ns279483.ovh.net; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:52:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:52:41 -0500 From: "Mickey Blanton" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Nov 12 07:05:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A860F3A6A0A; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:05:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3k-K6VZwAJ1w; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC993A685C; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:05:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8b8x-000I0o-Ek for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:59:27 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8b8t-000I0V-PJ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:59:23 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040D9E6063; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:59:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nACExFWA053760; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:59:16 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911121459.nACExFWA053760@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: "W.C.A. Wijngaards" Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews References: <4AFBCC96.5070303@nlnetlabs.nl> Subject: Re: [dnsext] NSEC and algo 7 - dnssec-bis updates In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:51:34 BST." <4AFBCC96.5070303@nlnetlabs.nl> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:59:15 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message <4AFBCC96.5070303@nlnetlabs.nl>, "W.C.A. Wijngaards" writes: > I propose to add text to dnssec-bis updates for this: > DNSKEY algorithm identifiers DSA-NSEC3-SHA1[6] and > RSASHA1-NSEC3-SHA1[7] may be used with NSEC or NSEC3 for secure denial. DSA-NSEC3-SHA1 and RSASHA1-NSEC3-SHA1 signal that the zone MAY be using NSEC3, rather than NSEC, for negative validation. > Best regards, > Wouter > -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Nov 12 07:12:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C5128C183; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:12:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.518 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.518 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.081, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KBg7CDnNCCDr; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:12:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE9228C152; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8bFh-000JNj-Gc for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:06:25 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8bFc-000JMx-VH for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:06:21 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3115BE6064; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:06:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nACF6Hl9063153; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:06:17 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911121506.nACF6Hl9063153@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: "W.C.A. Wijngaards" Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews References: <4AFBCF84.7030203@nlnetlabs.nl> Subject: Re: [dnsext] DNSKEY signatures - dnssec-bis updates In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:04:04 BST." <4AFBCF84.7030203@nlnetlabs.nl> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:06:17 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message <4AFBCF84.7030203@nlnetlabs.nl>, "W.C.A. Wijngaards" writes: > Hi, > > In RFC4034 it says that the DNSKEY RRset has to be signed with all keys > in it. However current (best practice?) is that this is not required, > but optional. It MAY be signed with all keys, but signing with less > produces a smaller DNSKEY RRset which helps with other (PMTU) things. > > I propose to add text to dnssec-bis updates to cover this: > > The DNSKEY RRset at the zone apex MAY be signed by all keys. It MUST > be signed with a key for which a DS exists at a parent, or which is the > current trust anchor, otherwise a validator cannot form a chain of trust > to the zone. It MAY be signed with keys that are not actually in the > keyset (this is for corner cases with old trust anchors). If multiple > algorithms are in use, it MUST be signed with them (this rule does not > change from RFC4034). This text is too restrictive. Assuming we are not in a key rollover then the requirement is that for each DNSKEY algorithm and DS hash algorithm pair in the DS RRset in the parent there MUST be one DNSKEY which is identified by a DS which signs the DNSKEY RRset. > (You may want to add text to explain that a DLV is like a DS for this, > or leave that as (like, totally) obvious to the reader). :-) > > Best regards, > Wouter > -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From loading5@raybourn.com Thu Nov 12 07:41:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BEC3A67B0; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:41:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.272 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.272 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX=1.482, FH_FAKE_RCVD_LINE_B=5.777, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.561, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lrHLDaqYJjlw; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from 219-89-100-250.jetstart.xtra.co.nz (219-89-100-250.jetstart.xtra.co.nz [219.89.100.250]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A5B28C0E2; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:41:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from 219.89.100.250 by in.sjc.mx.trendmicro.com; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:41:57 +1200 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:41:57 +1200 From: "Zachery Rutledge" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Nov 12 09:07:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220B13A69C6; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:07:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.264 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.264 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.336, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cw7gl6eWTjjR; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:07:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BB23A672E; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:07:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8d2D-000DrU-Av for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:00:37 +0000 Received: from [2001:1890:1112:1::20] (helo=mail.ietf.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8d28-000Dr3-02 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:00:32 +0000 Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 5DC223A69E0; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-registry-fixes-01.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091112170001.5DC223A69E0@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:00:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DNS Extensions Working Group of the IETF. Title : DNS Security (DNSSEC) DNSKEY IANA Registry Algorithm Status Addition Author(s) : S. Rose Filename : draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-registry-fixes-01.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2009-11-12 The DNS Security Extensions (DNSSEC) has an IANA registry to allocate cryptographic algorithm suites for use in generating digital signatures over DNS data. Newly introduced cryptographic algorithms to DNSSEC mean implementors need to know which algorithms need to be implmented, which are optional, and which are obsolete. This document adds a column to the IANA registry table for Domain Name System Security (DNSSEC) Algorithm Numbers to list their status for use. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-registry-fixes-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-registry-fixes-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-11-12084835.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Nov 12 09:20:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A085E3A68C1; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:20:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.278 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.278 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.322, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZIENS7g9CHtu; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7C13A6BB4; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8dGi-000Fv4-Sh for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:15:36 +0000 Received: from [2001:1890:1112:1::20] (helo=mail.ietf.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8dGe-000FuL-EA for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:15:32 +0000 Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 18A0B3A6AAC; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:15:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-03.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091112171502.18A0B3A6AAC@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:15:02 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. 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List-Archive: The recent discussion on my "RR Group Query" proposal (*) has lead me back to another proposal I had made last year during the FR debate, but which had not attracted much response since. I have been called for submitting it in enough detail for discussion and subsequent inclusion in the rfc2671bis draft. (*) work on draft has been started; please be patient, more input in unicast welcome!) As the name says, EDNS0 is an Extension mechanism for DNS, and its hook for extensibility is with the {attribute,value} pairs (aka EDNS0 Options) grouped in the RDATA portion of the OPT RR placed in the Additional section of both Queries and Responses. Good protocol extension design (cf. draft-iab-extension-recs) ensures provisions for mechanisms allowing seemless gradual deployment of protocol extensions making use of the fundamental extension mechanisms built into a base protocol. Many successful protocols have built-in clever hooks to signal intended behavior wrt subordinate protocol elements in case the recipient of a message does not "understand" (or "support" or "has enabled the use of") a particular protocol object. This gives the designer of the extension object the choice of some default processing implemented by all speakers of the protocol, independent of their support for a specific extension object, and thus allows to achieve clever deployment strategies. Examples include Class-Types in RSVP, LSA types in OSPF (in particular in OSPFv3) and similar constructs in various routing protocols, "Mandatory/Optional" discriminators in PKIX structures, etc. The identifier for EDNS0 options is the 16-bit OPTION-CODE, so far an unstructured value subject to IANA assignment. In the 10 years since the publication of the EDNS0 specification, RFC 2671, only a handful OPTION-CODE values have been assigned by IANA (or "came into use") : IANA: Value Name Status Reference ------- ----------- -------- ----------- 0 reserved [RFC2671] 1 LLQ On-hold [draft-sekar-dns-llq] 2 UL On-hold [draft-sekar-dns-ul] 3 NSID Standard [RFC5001] 4 reserved [draft-cheshire-edns0-owner-option] 5-65535 -unassigned- [RFC2671] "known to the list": 5 "used" [draft-hubert-ulevitch-edns-ping] Note: I could not find record of RFC 2671 having reserved value 0; ++++ instead, RFC 2671 has reserved value 65535 for future extensions, as does the current rfc2671bis-edns0 draft. I suggest that rfc2671bis-edns0 also registers value 0 as -reserved- . RFC 2671 is silent about server behavior in face of unknown options. Currently, Section 6.2 of draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0-02 says: | Any OPTION-CODE values not understood by a responder or requestor | MUST be ignored. Specifications of such options might wish to | include some kind of signalled acknowledgement. For example, an | option specification might say that if a responder sees option XYZ, | it SHOULD include option XYZ in its response. This is still unsatisfactory, since it unnecessarily restricts the design choices for new EDNS0 options. To further the design of EDNS0 options, I suggest to reclaim the four most significant bits of the EDNS0 OPTION-CODE as functional bits directing the recipient of the option what to do with it in case it does not "support" the option. This seems to be a still conservative and responsible action, with regard to the low demand for EDNS0 Option-Code assignments so far. The following tasks have to be performed to properly design the details: a) propose and achieve consensus on the needed groups of behavioral patterns to be encoded b) assessment of existing use c) based on b): do we need a "legacy" group ? d) fix encoding of groups e) perhaps subdivide groups into assigned by IANA / experimental / private use and decide on IANA policy for the former To give a starting point, here are my provisional contributions (NB: That does not mean I insists on the analysis results and proposals; I simply want to give a reasonable starting point for collecting more input and rapid consensus-building.) a) Classification of default behavior of recipient of query. Observation #1: EDNS0, i.e. the OPT RR, essentially is a hop-by-hop protocol. (RFC 5001 says "not transitive".) Hence no functionality related to "forwarding" needs to be considered. Remaining categories: o "ignore" -- do not send same option in response o "echo" -- copy option unchanged into response o "must understand" -- refuse entire query (extended RCODE: t.b.d.) o "unspecified" -- implementation specific (to be used for legacy code points) [[ DISCUSS: Other valid options? ]] The single change in protocol behavior needed by the introduction of this proposal would be for DNS responders (servers, resolvers) to honor the "must understand" and "echo" semantics if they do not understand the particular option received in these groups, thus making the introduction and gradual deployment of new options much more easier subsequently. b) (Provisional) Analysis by code point for existing definitions/use: 0/65535 : since this code point is reserved as an anchor point for future extensibility, arguably it could be placed in any of the groups given above; maybe: exceptional processing needed anyway, should code point become used some day, so decision does not matter. 1 : The DNS-LLQ service model has been found incompatible with the standard DNS service model and has not been standardized; however, reportedly it is used in specific environments, and notably with mDNS. DNS-LLQ Challenge is underspecified for the case of lack of server support. A non-EDNS0 aware server might respond with RCODE FormErr(1) or NotImp(4), which the draft takes as "non-LLQ capable", but it is silent of the possible case of an EDNS0-aware, yet "non-LLQ capable" server. Assuming the behavior specified in rfc2671bis-edns0-02 would mean "ignore" was a server behavior allowing graceful fallback to standard DNS operation with minimal extra traffic; arguably classification as "must understand" or "unspecified" could also be regarded as appropriate. 2 : DNS-UL also has not been adopted by the IETF, but reportedly it is used in specific environments. Again, the defining draft underspecifies expected server and client behavior in the case of a "non-UL capable" server, but again "ignore" server behavior would allow graceful fallback to standard DNS operation with minimal extra traffic; arguably classification as "must understand" or "unspecified" could also be regarded as appropriate. 3 : RFC 5001 specifies the NSID option as a diagnostics tool. "ignore" seems to be the best default strategy as well. 4 : The EDNS Owner Option is used in specific environments. The specification is silent on deployment/interoperability considerations, but that seems rather irrelevant due to the specific context where the option is used and consenting universal support is assumed. The seems to be tolerant to the "ignore" default behavior, but the mDNS folks might be able to teach us otherwise. 5 : "echo" would be most useful default behavior, but "ignore" is acceptable, and upon potential approvement of the draft a different code point could be assigned. c) (Provisional) Evaluation It looks like there is no need for a "legacy" / "unspecified" group; all existing use cases seem to be compatible with "ignore" behavior as currently specified in rfc2671bis-edns0-02 for *all* EDNS0 options. Thus, it should make sense to include option# 1..5 in the "ignore" group. d) As a result of c), I suggest to assign two functional bits from the most significant nibble of the EDNS OPTION-CODE for "must understand" (M) and "echo" (E); two bits remain reserved (res) for future sepcification and are set to zero currently. For instance: +0 (MSB) +1 (LSB) +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ 0: | OPTION-CODE | +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ is subdivided as: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ 0: | M : E : res : Code | +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ In generalization of the reservations mentioned above, I suggest that all OPTION-CODEs with Code 0x000 or 0xFFF be RESERVED for future updates to the EDNS0 RFC, i.e. all OPTION-CODE values of the form 0xy000 and 0xyFFF for y=0..F . Under this regime, - registrations must specify the setting of M and E, and IANA assigns the Code in a manner that a unique, flat 16-bit OPTION-CODE namespace is maintained; - existing registrations and use cases would be interpreted as having M=0 and E=0; - as long as no updating Standards track RFC has been issues, IANA will only assign OPTION-CODE values in the ranges (i) 1- 4094 ... for M=0 and E=0 (ii) 16385-20478 ... for M=0 and E=1 (ii) 32769-36862 ... for M=1 and E=0 (iii) 49153-53246 ... for M=1 and E=1 [ does that make sense? ] - The RESERVED OPTION-CODE 65535 = 0xFFFF remains exempt from the interpretation of M and E for backwards compatibility. e) Currently, the IANA Registry for EDNS Option Codes follows the RFC 5226 "Specification Required" policy, based on RFC 2671, and draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0-02 does not alter that. To allow room for protocol experiments, I propose to subdivide the 16 ranges in a uniform manner, reserving one subrange for Experimental use, in the spirit of BCP 82 (RFC 3692), and to allow other SDOs (for instance) make use of specific EDNS0 options, a Private Use range might also make sense. For instance, including the RESERVED code points mentioned above: CODE 0 (0x000 ) ... -RESERVED- Code 1-3839 (0x000-0xEFF) ... Spec. Required Code 3849-4063 (0xF00-0xFDF) ... Private Use Code 4064-4094 (0xFE0-0xFFE) ... Experimental CODE 4095 ( 0xFFF) ... -RESERVED- Kind regards, Alfred HÎnes. -- +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Thu Nov 12 13:55:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A5C3A67E4; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:55:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_UK=1.749, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zPQA4K6d4a5X; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:55:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4713A6831; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:55:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8hY4-000PDG-Kq for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:49:48 +0000 Received: from [213.248.199.23] (helo=mx3.nominet.org.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8hY0-000PBR-3i for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:49:44 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Cc: Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date: X-MIMETrack:Content-Type; b=iU/2c8NtVZ6uAwBIQx1tG0AESiHHMTvufCiYhSARfbL858knTfQlFMXy ts+Qi2OZByjwsHAq8ivXaSXXfHMHa8x1KEl5V8PI5Rlp3IymT3CWN1qSV yhPEtoNdtU+Qpp4; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=roy@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1258062584; x=1289598584; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20"Roy=20Arends"=20|Subject: =20Re:=20[dnsext]=20DNSKEY=20signatures=20-=20dnssec-bis =20updates|Date:=20Fri,=2013=20Nov=202009=2006:49:40=20+0 900|Message-ID:=20|To:=20"W.C.A.=20Wijng aards"=20|Cc:=20namedroppers@ops.iet f.org|MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<4AFBCF84.703020 3@nlnetlabs.nl>|References:=20<4AFBCF84.7030203@nlnetlabs .nl>; bh=Uc6Bvr2cDMv4RKO8j+RTPIC5yYnvY/KLlY6UarDJX3Q=; b=NpXe+mves5BHwwuN34Ze5+bM4F3fTloooJttjBsJ1D6wRzq4MEZ7vmjj pnWL22fXof1cluEbyLZ+332GyUqwltR5Q9RqzjHXBBDE2WaYT8YQNCSht B7UzhqAzE5jxHDH; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,731,1249254000"; d="scan'208";a="19334718" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2009 21:49:42 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4AFBCF84.7030203@nlnetlabs.nl> References: <4AFBCF84.7030203@nlnetlabs.nl> To: "W.C.A. Wijngaards" Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] DNSKEY signatures - dnssec-bis updates MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V85_M2_08202008 August 20, 2008 Message-ID: From: "Roy Arends" Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:49:40 +0900 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 12/11/2009 09:49:41 PM, Serialize complete at 12/11/2009 09:49:41 PM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0077E7614925766C_=" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0077E7614925766C_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Wouter Wijngaards wrote on 11/12/2009 06:04:04 PM: > Hi, > > In RFC4034 it says that the DNSKEY RRset has to be signed with all keys > in it. Where? Roy --=_alternative 0077E7614925766C_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Wouter Wijngaards wrote on 11/12/2009 06:04:04 PM:

> Hi,
>
> In RFC4034 it says that the DNSKEY RRset has to be signed with all keys
> in it.

Where?

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Wijngaards" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20091014 Fedora/3.0-2.8.b4.fc11 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roy Arends CC: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] DNSKEY signatures - dnssec-bis updates References: <4AFBCF84.7030203@nlnetlabs.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.97a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at rotring X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/12/2009 10:49 PM, Roy Arends wrote: >> In RFC4034 it says that the DNSKEY RRset has to be signed with all keys >> in it. > > Where? I thought it did, but I cannot find text: the example in the appendix has an unnecessary ZSK-signature over the DNSKEY RRset. Perhaps this is because of language in rfc4641 that speaks about ZSK signing all RRsets in the zone, and maybe in diagrams in said RFC. Best regards, Wouter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkr9DrMACgkQkDLqNwOhpPio3ACeMJDFCqR/36ERWsL9l64kSLER 678AnjPJe5xDQRCRDb5H5Man2F3hGdkm =x0Bv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 13 00:02:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720523A6905; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:02:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.113 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.113 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.063, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HELO_MISMATCH_NL=1.448, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Aa8bwHibPu4W; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868363A683D; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8r3X-000DVF-L4 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:58:55 +0000 Received: from [85.17.178.138] (helo=rotring.dds.nl) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8r3U-000DUV-FW for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:58:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rotring.dds.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE80E58433; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:58:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.254.8] (195-241-9-117.adsl.dds.nl [195.241.9.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by rotring.dds.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE95A58331; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:58:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AFD11B4.3030403@nlnetlabs.nl> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:58:44 +0100 From: "W.C.A. Wijngaards" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4pre) Gecko/20091014 Fedora/3.0-2.8.b4.fc11 Thunderbird/3.0b4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephane Bortzmeyer CC: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alfred_H=F6nes?= , draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0@cabernet.tools.IETF.ORG, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: Building structured extensibility into EDNS0(bis) References: <200911122033.VAA10313@TR-Sys.de> <20091113042127.GA13837@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> In-Reply-To: <20091113042127.GA13837@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.97a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at rotring X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/13/2009 05:21 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > Alfred Hönes wrote >> d) As a result of c), I suggest to assign two functional bits from >> the most significant nibble of the EDNS OPTION-CODE for >> "must understand" (M) and "echo" (E); two bits remain reserved >> (res) for future sepcification and are set to zero currently. > It seems a very good plan to me. I wonder how a resolver would detect that the other end supports M and E bits. Best regards, Wouter -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkr9EbQACgkQkDLqNwOhpPhr9QCgnKoePjO3GsC1TCLVe44vIotp 8iIAnRu2mBYxYOZe3tZktglrugt7BjSj =Y+eN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 13 03:12:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42163A6A34; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:12:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.566 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.566 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.684, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6eu3QwhzM8HO; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:12:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5213A6873; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:12:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8tyy-0009Vt-F5 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:06:24 +0000 Received: from [213.178.172.147] (helo=TR-Sys.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N8tys-0009Ug-QM for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:06:19 +0000 Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3.2) id AA128370309; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:05:09 +0100 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id MAA11822; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:05:08 +0100 (MEZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200911131105.MAA11822@TR-Sys.de> Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: Building structured extensibility into EDNS0(bis) To: wouter@nlnetlabs.nl Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:05:08 +0100 (MEZ) Cc: draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0@cabernet.tools.IETF.ORG, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4AFD11B4.3030403@nlnetlabs.nl> from "W.C.A. Wijngaards" at Nov "13," 2009 "08:58:44" am X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On 13 Nov 2009 08:58:44 +0100, W.C.A. Wijngaards wrote: > > On 11/13/2009 05:21 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >> Alfred HÎnes wrote >>> d) As a result of c), I suggest to assign two functional bits from >>> the most significant nibble of the EDNS OPTION-CODE for >>> "must understand" (M) and "echo" (E); two bits remain reserved >>> (res) for future sepcification and are set to zero currently. >> It seems a very good plan to me. > > I wonder how a resolver would detect that the other end supports M and E > bits. > > Best regards, > Wouter Admittedly, that's a dilemma. RFC 2671 was entirely silent. The community has learned that built-in extension paths must be specified in sufficient detail to make them usable, and RFC 2671 was suboptimal in this respect. The current rfc2671bis-edns0-02 already contains a clarification that might result in the need to change some implementations. The same question hence already applies to that change. This proposal adds to this change in a manner that is unlikely to be a burden or major issue for implementers. Currently, the starting deployment at large of DNSSEC will likely cause many resolvers and servers receive software updates anyway, and DNSSEC required making use of EDNS0. Therefore, I confess that the likelyhood of achieving rather quick adoption of rfc2671bis-edns0 (with or without this addition) is very good. So this might be the last good chance to introduce this mechanism that is hoped to pay us back much effort in the future. It should be noted that doing this step _now_ gives us a lead in time before the first EDNS Option becomes defined and deployed that wants to leverage this mechanism. Anyhow, prudent design and implementation of new EDNS options will have to deal with backwards compatibility issues. But what would be the options for introducing explicit signaling? There would be two potential mechanisms to signal support of the new semantics: adding a new EDNS flag, and increasing the EDNS version number. The latter would perhaps entail much more deployment problems and I cannot imagine that anyone seriously suggests it. The former procedure has been rejected by this WG recently for the 'Understand DNAME' bit, where the impact might have been more significant because of the existing use of DNAME, and thus I did not propose such bit so far. However, if the community supports adding an "Understand M&E" flag bit, I would be fine with it. In this case I'd suggest that this bit only be set (or considered to be relevant) in _responses_ -- thus allowing to measure in the wild the deployment rate of this function without the need for lots of resolvers supporting it and making use of new EDNS options, i.e., doing so would give us the ability to quantify the 'readiness' of the Internet for the deployment of new EDNS options. However, if the M&E bit mechanism is introduced in rfc2671bis-edns0, this bit would effectively become a "support of rfc2671bis-edns0" flag, which someone could challenge as a minor EDNS version bumping, say "EDNS 0.7". :-) Kind regards, Alfred. -- +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From placatingt@rosariosalazar.com Fri Nov 13 03:59:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6383A6876; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:59:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -12.144 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.144 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_FAKE_RCVD_LINE_B=5.777, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.561, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NVv8S6FFsV1A; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from 250-42.106-92.cust.bluewin.ch (250-42.106-92.cust.bluewin.ch [92.106.42.250]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033C53A6A66; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from 92.106.42.250 by sitemail2.everyone.net; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:59:18 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:59:18 +0100 From: "Ron Yu" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 13 11:59:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D5C3A6963; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:59:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.373 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.373 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.074, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PPXo4IT5Vbg6; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F8E3A6918; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N92CT-0000nZ-KI for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:52:53 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N92CQ-0000n2-7n for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:52:50 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6E8E6064; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:52:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nADJqcCu080258; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:52:39 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911131952.nADJqcCu080258@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Cc: wouter@nlnetlabs.nl, draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0@cabernet.tools.IETF.ORG, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews References: <200911131105.MAA11822@TR-Sys.de> Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: Building structured extensibility into EDNS0(bis) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:05:08 BST." <200911131105.MAA11822@TR-Sys.de> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:52:38 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Bump the EDNS version and add a error option for when the "M" option is not supported. This allows for clean signaling of "M" bit knowledge (BADVERSION) and a "M" bit error (option contains the option codes that are not known in case there are two "M" options in use). "M" bit use requires EDNS1 or later. EDNS1 can also add NXRRSET as a QUERY response code so we can clean up this defect in QUERY as well. -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 13 12:39:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3743A680A; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:39:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.285 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.285 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.090, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MMKEpqVgCx5I; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9723A6A50; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N92s1-0006Bs-Gr for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:35:49 +0000 Received: from [64.18.2.179] (helo=exprod7og113.obsmtp.com) by psg.com with smtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N92ry-0006BR-8X for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:35:46 +0000 Received: from source ([64.89.228.229]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob113.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKSv3DFaALteqQoXZVUHgUHF1vCRoU2Q3p@postini.com; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:35:46 PST Received: from webmail.nominum.com (exchange-10.nominum.com [64.89.228.57]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "exchange-10.win.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E88C1B82CD; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange-10.WIN.NOMINUM.COM ([64.89.228.57]) by exchange-10.WIN.NOMINUM.COM ([64.89.228.57]) with mapi; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:35:33 -0800 From: Bob Halley To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alfred_H=CEnes?= CC: "wouter@nlnetlabs.nl" , "draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0@cabernet.tools.IETF.ORG" , "namedroppers@ops.ietf.org" Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:35:30 -0800 Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: Building structured extensibility into EDNS0(bis) Thread-Topic: [dnsext] Re: Building structured extensibility into EDNS0(bis) Thread-Index: AcpkoNiTBkQZ46+CRWiUqtwoSnGmeA== Message-ID: <3970352C-C35F-4886-BBF5-D5ECB84D53B3@nominum.com> References: <200911131105.MAA11822@TR-Sys.de> In-Reply-To: <200911131105.MAA11822@TR-Sys.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On 13 Nov 2009, at 20:05, Alfred H=CEnes wrote: > On 13 Nov 2009 08:58:44 +0100, W.C.A. Wijngaards wrote: >>=20 >> On 11/13/2009 05:21 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >>> Alfred H=CEnes wrote >>>> d) As a result of c), I suggest to assign two functional bits from >>>> the most significant nibble of the EDNS OPTION-CODE for >>>> "must understand" (M) and "echo" (E); two bits remain reserved >>>> (res) for future sepcification and are set to zero currently. >>> It seems a very good plan to me. >>=20 >> I wonder how a resolver would detect that the other end supports M and E >> bits. >>=20 >> Best regards, >> Wouter >=20 > Admittedly, that's a dilemma. It's a real problem. If the M bit is to to be useful, you have to know tha= t an implementation supports it. Many implementations today will simply ig= nore unknown options. So you're going to have to do one of: 1) probe for M support somehow (maybe using an option that the server has = to echo back if it understands) 2) require that any "M" option always causes an option to be added to the = response in an aware implementation 3) increment the EDNS version number IMO, #1 adds yet more latency and complexity and is best avoided. #2 is eq= uivalent to what the -bis draft recommends ("signaled acknowledgement"), bu= t adds noise M and E bits to the option type. #3 could work, but I'd rathe= r we didn't try EDNS1 until EDNS0 was nearly universally understood. I favor the approach taken in the -bis draft over the idea of M & E bits. /Bob From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 13 12:53:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637423A680A; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:53:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.655 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.655 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.055, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id whH1bvANrRwK; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9201F3A6783; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N936O-0007rU-Np for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:50:40 +0000 Received: from [208.86.224.201] (helo=mail.yitter.info) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N936M-0007r7-0B for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:50:38 +0000 Received: from crankycanuck.ca (69-196-144-230.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A44FD2FE8CA2 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:50:35 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: Building structured extensibility into EDNS0(bis) Message-ID: <20091113205034.GB8755@shinkuro.com> References: <200911131105.MAA11822@TR-Sys.de> <200911131952.nADJqcCu080258@drugs.dv.isc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200911131952.nADJqcCu080258@drugs.dv.isc.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 06:52:38AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > Bump the EDNS version Really? You're offering to do the work to make EDNS1 happen, and make it work for every mistake in EDNS0 implemations, and so on? No-hat, I say, "I worry very much about the implications." Chair-hat, I say, "Tell me a great deal about interoperability, failure cases, and the draft you've written." Where "you" denotes, "Everyone who wants to follow this idea," of course. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Fri Nov 13 13:42:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F9E3A6A37; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:42:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.554 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.554 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.696, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HELO_MISMATCH_DE=1.448, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s8Y-qNk-ScQa; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F123A6830; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N93qK-000CwK-Di for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:38:08 +0000 Received: from [213.178.172.147] (helo=TR-Sys.de) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N93qF-000Cuf-T3 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:38:04 +0000 Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3.2) id AA131598223; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:37:03 +0100 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id WAA13539; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:37:02 +0100 (MEZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <200911132137.WAA13539@TR-Sys.de> Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: Building structured extensibility into EDNS0(bis) To: Bob.Halley@nominum.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:37:01 +0100 (MEZ) Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3970352C-C35F-4886-BBF5-D5ECB84D53B3@nominum.com> from Bob Halley at Nov "13," 2009 "12:35:30" pm X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: > > On 13 Nov 2009, at 20:05, Alfred HÎnes wrote: > >> On 13 Nov 2009 08:58:44 +0100, W.C.A. Wijngaards wrote: >>> >>> On 11/13/2009 05:21 AM, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >>>> Alfred HÎnes wrote >>>>> d) As a result of c), I suggest to assign two functional bits from >>>>> the most significant nibble of the EDNS OPTION-CODE for >>>>> "must understand" (M) and "echo" (E); two bits remain reserved >>>>> (res) for future sepcification and are set to zero currently. >>>> It seems a very good plan to me. >>> >>> I wonder how a resolver would detect that the other end supports M and E >>> bits. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Wouter >> >> Admittedly, that's a dilemma. > > It's a real problem. If the M bit is to to be useful, you have to > know that an implementation supports it. Many implementations today > will simply ignore unknown options. ... If that can be consolidated/quantified, that rather good news! > ... So you're going to have to do one of: > > 1) probe for M support somehow (maybe using an option that > the server has to echo back if it understands) > > 2) require that any "M" option always causes an option to > be added to the response in an aware implementation > > 3) increment the EDNS version number > > IMO, #1 adds yet more latency and complexity and is best avoided. > #2 is equivalent to what the -bis draft recommends ("signaled > acknowledgement"), but adds noise M and E bits to the option type. > #3 could work, but I'd rather we didn't try EDNS1 until EDNS0 was > nearly universally understood. > > I favor the approach taken in the -bis draft over the idea of M & E bits. > > /Bob #2 is a good design principle anyway, and I would expect it to be used universally for future mandatory-to-understand (M=1) options. The benefits of the M bit should be twofold: - allow to more clearly signal what's wrong, from the responder side. - allow much more graceful treatment of cases with multiple options, in particular with mixed M=1 and M=0 options, where I see no means to achieve sensical server behavior otherwise, and probing indeed might become necessary otherwise if the querier wants to insist on at least some of the options as a fallback mechanism. The important detail I already pointed out, and which is relevant for the judgement of #3, is that the currently ramping up deployment phase for IPv6 and DNSSEC will push DNS software updates out, and fast action _now_ to enable flexibility for the future wrt ENDS will have a good chance to see rapid deployment -- independent on the specific details. BTW: I'd be particularly interested in the opinions of those who have drafts with an EDNS option in the pipeline (independent of the particular state). Alfred. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Nov 15 13:29:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CCC3A6A11; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:29:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wmJK-26tI7sO; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8774E3A6840; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:28:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N9mVi-000I0j-NM for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:19:50 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N9mVc-000I0U-DN for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:19:44 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71796E6064; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:19:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAFLJZvp004785; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:19:38 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911152119.nAFLJZvp004785@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Andrew Sullivan Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews References: <200911131105.MAA11822@TR-Sys.de> <200911131952.nADJqcCu080258@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20091113205034.GB8755@shinkuro.com> Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: Building structured extensibility into EDNS0(bis) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:50:35 CDT." <20091113205034.GB8755@shinkuro.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:19:35 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message <20091113205034.GB8755@shinkuro.com>, Andrew Sullivan writes: > On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 06:52:38AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > Bump the EDNS version > > Really? You're offering to do the work to make EDNS1 happen, and make > it work for every mistake in EDNS0 implemations, and so on? I know that we check the EDNS version number and return BADVERS. That is all that you required of a EDNS0 server and it is part of the EDNS0 spec so it should have been implemented. Modern versions of dig can be used to check this. e.g. % dig +edns=1 ; <<>> DiG 9.7.0b2 <<>> +edns=1 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: BADVERS, id: 29489 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;. IN NS ;; Query time: 18 msec ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) ;; WHEN: Mon Nov 16 07:57:59 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 28 % ATLAS does the right thing. % dig +edns=1 @a.gtld-servers.net ftp.uu.net +norec ; <<>> DiG 9.7.0b2 <<>> +edns=1 @a.gtld-servers.net ftp.uu.net +norec ; (2 servers found) ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: BADVERS, id: 37488 ;; flags: qr cd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;ftp.uu.net. IN A ;; Query time: 358 msec ;; SERVER: 2001:503:a83e::2:30#53(2001:503:a83e::2:30) ;; WHEN: Mon Nov 16 08:10:29 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 39 % Some of ORG's servers don't do the correct thing. I've Bcc noc@afilias-nst.info so they can take steps to make their nameservers compliant. % dig +edns=1 isc.org @a2.org.afilias-nst.info. ;; Warning: Message parser reports malformed message packet. ; <<>> DiG 9.7.0b2 <<>> +edns=1 isc.org @a2.org.afilias-nst.info. ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: FORMERR, id: 60171 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 0, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; WARNING: Messages has 8 extra bytes at end ;; Query time: 179 msec ;; SERVER: 2001:500:40::1#53(2001:500:40::1) ;; WHEN: Mon Nov 16 08:12:31 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 21 % > No-hat, I say, "I worry very much about the implications." > > Chair-hat, I say, "Tell me a great deal about interoperability, > failure cases, and the draft you've written." Where "you" denotes, > "Everyone who wants to follow this idea," of course. > > A > > -- > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@shinkuro.com > Shinkuro, Inc. > -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Sun Nov 15 17:32:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9338C3A6A5E; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:32:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.653 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.653 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.654, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jBH5Efozu+d0; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769AF3A6890; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N9qLK-0007AT-Qf for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:25:22 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1N9qLH-00079m-BW for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:25:19 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C143BE6069; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:25:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAG1PAUE017213; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:25:11 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911160125.nAG1PAUE017213@drugs.dv.isc.org> Cc: Andrew Sullivan , namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: Building structured extensibility into EDNS0(bis) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:19:35 +1100." Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:25:10 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Mark Andrews writes: > > In message <20091113205034.GB8755@shinkuro.com>, Andrew Sullivan writes: > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 06:52:38AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > > Bump the EDNS version > > > > Really? You're offering to do the work to make EDNS1 happen, and make > > it work for every mistake in EDNS0 implemations, and so on? > > I know that we check the EDNS version number and return BADVERS. > That is all that you required of a EDNS0 server and it is part of > the EDNS0 spec so it should have been implemented. Modern versions > of dig can be used to check this. > > e.g. > % dig +edns=1 > > ; <<>> DiG 9.7.0b2 <<>> +edns=1 > ;; global options: +cmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: BADVERS, id: 29489 > ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 > ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available > > ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: > ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096 > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;. IN NS > > ;; Query time: 18 msec > ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) > ;; WHEN: Mon Nov 16 07:57:59 2009 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 28 > > % > > ATLAS does the right thing. > > % dig +edns=1 @a.gtld-servers.net ftp.uu.net +norec > > ; <<>> DiG 9.7.0b2 <<>> +edns=1 @a.gtld-servers.net ftp.uu.net +norec > ; (2 servers found) > ;; global options: +cmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: BADVERS, id: 37488 > ;; flags: qr cd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 > > ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: > ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512 > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;ftp.uu.net. IN A > > ;; Query time: 358 msec > ;; SERVER: 2001:503:a83e::2:30#53(2001:503:a83e::2:30) > ;; WHEN: Mon Nov 16 08:10:29 2009 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 39 > > % > > Some of ORG's servers don't do the correct thing. I've Bcc > noc@afilias-nst.info so they can take steps to make their nameservers > compliant. > > % dig +edns=1 isc.org @a2.org.afilias-nst.info. > ;; Warning: Message parser reports malformed message packet. > > ; <<>> DiG 9.7.0b2 <<>> +edns=1 isc.org @a2.org.afilias-nst.info. > ;; global options: +cmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: FORMERR, id: 60171 > ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 0, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 > ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available > ;; WARNING: Messages has 8 extra bytes at end > > ;; Query time: 179 msec > ;; SERVER: 2001:500:40::1#53(2001:500:40::1) > ;; WHEN: Mon Nov 16 08:12:31 2009 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 21 > > % Also if you want to see what breaks you can just set the default EDNS version in lib/dns/resolver.c to 1 and pretend to be a EDNS version 1 client. 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List-Archive: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 08:19:35AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > I know that we check the EDNS version number and return BADVERS. > That is all that you required of a EDNS0 server and it is part of > the EDNS0 spec so it should have been implemented. Modern versions > of dig can be used to check this. But that's not the issue I was trying to raise. It has taken more than 10 years to get reasonably wide but not complete deployment of EDNS0, and as you've pointed out some of the deployments don't seem to know what to do with EDNSn, n>0. Therefore, planning on EDNS1 as the quick answer to a problem is probably unwise, and to do it we need people who will in fact write the documents, figure out what all the corner cases are, and so on. Another way to put this, with my Chair/nag hat on, is that we need to become better at getting work through this working group if we think we can do things like promulgate EDNS1. RFC 5702 is a good example of this: it took us years to complete that "short", "quick and easy" document (the -00's date is 5 July, 2006). I'm not trying to point fingers. I am trying to be realistic about how easy it is to do something like "just" bump the EDNS version number. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 16 14:56:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805DD3A6B2B; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:56:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.626 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.626 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.973, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ui2mAmDDwRXS; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A8C3A6A2D; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAAN7-000EJn-PX for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:48:33 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAAN4-000EIV-MR for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:48:30 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F23E6026; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:48:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAGMmLdV082378; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:48:22 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911162248.nAGMmLdV082378@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Andrew Sullivan Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews References: <200911131105.MAA11822@TR-Sys.de> <200911131952.nADJqcCu080258@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20091113205034.GB8755@shinkuro.com> <200911152119.nAFLJZvp004785@drugs.dv.isc.org> <20091116151452.GD14281@shinkuro.com> Subject: Re: [dnsext] Re: Building structured extensibility into EDNS0(bis) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:14:52 CDT." <20091116151452.GD14281@shinkuro.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:48:21 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message <20091116151452.GD14281@shinkuro.com>, Andrew Sullivan writes: > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 08:19:35AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > I know that we check the EDNS version number and return BADVERS. > > That is all that you required of a EDNS0 server and it is part of > > the EDNS0 spec so it should have been implemented. Modern versions > > of dig can be used to check this. > > But that's not the issue I was trying to raise. It has taken more > than 10 years to get reasonably wide but not complete deployment of > EDNS0, And if people want the functionality in E or M options they will deploy EDNS1. Just have EDNS1 servers reject E and M options if the EDNS version is 0. We are talking about incremental feature deployment here. > and as you've pointed out some of the deployments don't seem to > know what to do with EDNSn, n>0. Which is more a lack of having a formal conformance program than anything else. I'm pretty sure that once the offending vendor is notified that there will be a fix in the pipeline. > Therefore, planning on EDNS1 as the > quick answer to a problem is probably unwise, and to do it we need > people who will in fact write the documents, figure out what all the > corner cases are, and so on. It doesn't have to be quick. It just has to be correct. > Another way to put this, with my Chair/nag hat on, is that we need to > become better at getting work through this working group if we think > we can do things like promulgate EDNS1. RFC 5702 is a good example of > this: it took us years to complete that "short", "quick and easy" > document (the -00's date is 5 July, 2006). I'm not trying to point > fingers. I am trying to be realistic about how easy it is to do > something like "just" bump the EDNS version number. RFC 5702 had the underlying protocol change under it with the introduction of NSEC3 and unfortunately RFC 5155 didn't state how to manage future algorithms clearly enough that we had to have a large debate over whether there should pairs of algorithm numbers allocated or not. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 17 08:42:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67923A6941; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:42:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.547 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.052, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z09ZIeV-RbGF; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DD53A697B; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:42:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAR0s-000LHa-Sh for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:34:42 +0000 Received: from [66.92.146.20] (helo=stora.ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAR0q-000LHE-1s for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:34:40 +0000 Received: from Puki.ogud.com (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAHGYXcb053785 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:34:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ogud@ogud.com) Message-Id: <200911171634.nAHGYXcb053785@stora.ogud.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:34:29 -0500 To: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Olafur Gudmundsson/DNSEXT chair Subject: Re: [dnsext] WGLC: Gost algorithms for DNSSEC In-Reply-To: <200910292314.n9TNEwWe006035@stora.ogud.com> References: <200910292314.n9TNEwWe006035@stora.ogud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 66.92.146.20 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Reminder this is an ongoing WGLC that ends later this week. Olafur At 18:13 29/10/2009, Olafur Gudmundsson/DNSEXT chair wrote: >Dear colleagues, > >This note starts a WGLC for draft "Use of GOST signature >algorithms in DNSKEY and RRSIG Resource Records for DNSSEC" >URL for the document and its history: >http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost >The document is on the standards track. > >The WG last call is for 3 weeks as it overlaps IETF-76. The last call will >end on November 19th at 23:59 UTC. > >This document defines the use of GOST R 34.10-2001 digital signature algorithm >for DNSSEC. The document defines a DNSKEY format for the key, and a format >for storing the resulting signatures in a RRSIG record. > >In addition the document defines a DS digest algorithm based on >GOST R 34.11-94. > >Please read the document carefully, and send comments to the working group. > >Document note: The document uses in examples an unallocated DNSKEY algorithm >code 249, when this document is issued as an RFC a different code WILL be >allocated, the only use of this code is for early interoperabilty testing. > >The document process rules in this group require that at least >5 members of the working to state that they have reviewed the document >and there is consensus of support to publish as a Standards Track RFC. > > Olafur & Andrew > > > From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 17 09:57:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341BE3A68BE; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:57:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G-M2T5BufAi0; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D70B53A686D; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NASCr-0003Cv-LV for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:51:09 +0000 Received: from [2001:4900:1:392:213:20ff:fe1b:3bfe] (helo=monster.hopcount.ca) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NASCo-0003CT-Ct for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:51:06 +0000 Received: from [208.97.83.202] (helo=[10.252.123.12]) by monster.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NASCm-000BuZ-1j; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:51:05 +0000 Subject: Re: [dnsext] WGLC: Gost algorithms for DNSSEC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Joe Abley In-Reply-To: <200911171634.nAHGYXcb053785@stora.ogud.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:51:01 -0500 Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4F228ABA-286D-48EA-A130-9F256F506326@hopcount.ca> References: <200910292314.n9TNEwWe006035@stora.ogud.com> <200911171634.nAHGYXcb053785@stora.ogud.com> To: Olafur Gudmundsson/DNSEXT chair X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On 2009-11-17, at 11:34, Olafur Gudmundsson/DNSEXT chair wrote: > Reminder this is an ongoing WGLC that ends later this week. [...] > At 18:13 29/10/2009, Olafur Gudmundsson/DNSEXT chair wrote: >=20 >> This note starts a WGLC for draft "Use of GOST signature >> algorithms in DNSKEY and RRSIG Resource Records for DNSSEC" >> URL for the document and its history: >> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnsext/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost >> The document is on the standards track. I have read draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-03. I am not a mathematician, or a cryptographer, or a developer of DNS = software. I mention this so that the chairs can assess the degree of = expert review the document obtained during this process, as opposed to = the more general, amateur review I offer here. The document seems clear and well-written. It has sufficient examples = for me to be able to follow without scratching my head. The document is currently on the standards track, which seems necessary = for (a) code point assignment under the current rules for the DNS = Security Algorithm Numbers registry and (b) to update RFC 4034 = presumably with the text in 6.1. With respect to (b), I think it might = be clearer to call out precisely what updates to 4034 this document = provides by putting the text in a clearly-marked section. This is a = relatively minor point though, I think. More generally, I am in favour of GOST as an algorithm being implemented = for DNSSEC, and correspondingly in the use of GOST in DNSSEC being = specified. This document seems to do a reasonable job at that. I support advancing this document. 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List-Archive: I am a bit unclear about the first two "parameter" octets in the DNSKEY public key data: > The only valid value for both parameters octets is 0. > Other parameters octets values are reserved for future use. Is this essentially a method of sub-typing the "TBA1" algorithm code? And if so, ought not the same parameter octets be present in the corresponding DS records? Specifically, what is an implementation to do if it finds only DNSKEY records with parameter octets that it does not understand (currently, any non-zero values)? Treat the zone as insecure, or as bogus? Nit in section 7: > Currently, the cryptographic resistance of the GOST 34.10-2001 > digital signature algorithm is estimated as 2**128 operations > of multiple elliptic curve point computations on prime modulus > 2**256. 2**256 isn't prime! Presumably "prime modulus of order 2**256" or the like is meant. -- Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1@ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QH, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 17 16:36:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1543A6A1F; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:36:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.95 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.95 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.649, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dhbugh9annk5; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC823A6898; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAYPl-00013d-6g for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:28:53 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAYPj-00013E-3r for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:28:51 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DCFE6065; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:28:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAI0Sh0n083871; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:28:44 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911180028.nAI0Sh0n083871@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: cet1@cam.ac.uk Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews References: <20091112171502.18A0B3A6AAC@core3.amsl.com> Subject: Re: [dnsext] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-03.txt In-reply-to: Your message of "17 Nov 2009 17:54:54 -0000." Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:28:43 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message , Chris Thompson writes: > I am a bit unclear about the first two "parameter" octets in > the DNSKEY public key data: > > The only valid value for both parameters octets is 0. > > Other parameters octets values are reserved for future use. > > Is this essentially a method of sub-typing the "TBA1" algorithm > code? And if so, ought not the same parameter octets be present > in the corresponding DS records? > > Specifically, what is an implementation to do if it finds only > DNSKEY records with parameter octets that it does not understand > (currently, any non-zero values)? Treat the zone as insecure, > or as bogus? Anything other than zero's wouldn't have this dnskey algorithm code. > Nit in section 7: > > > Currently, the cryptographic resistance of the GOST 34.10-2001 > > digital signature algorithm is estimated as 2**128 operations > > of multiple elliptic curve point computations on prime modulus > > 2**256. > > 2**256 isn't prime! Presumably "prime modulus of order 2**256" > or the like is meant. > > -- > Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, > Email: cet1@ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QH, > Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom. > -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 17 17:49:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E713A6822; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:49:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JP-HuWsF7Oc0; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:49:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981BF3A6898; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:49:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAZZu-000781-TU for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:43:26 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:36::28] (helo=white.flame.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAZZr-00077d-Vb for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:43:24 +0000 Received: from white.flame.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D22B17D1B0; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigmac.home.flame.org (unknown [149.20.65.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BBCF617D1AC; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4B03513A.4020105@isc.org> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:43:22 -0600 From: Michael Graff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Andrews CC: cet1@cam.ac.uk, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-03.txt References: <20091112171502.18A0B3A6AAC@core3.amsl.com> <200911180028.nAI0Sh0n083871@drugs.dv.isc.org> In-Reply-To: <200911180028.nAI0Sh0n083871@drugs.dv.isc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 OpenPGP: id=BE9E0FA6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Andrews wrote: > In message , Chris Thompson writes: >> Specifically, what is an implementation to do if it finds only >> DNSKEY records with parameter octets that it does not understand >> (currently, any non-zero values)? Treat the zone as insecure, >> or as bogus? > > Anything other than zero's wouldn't have this dnskey algorithm code. Then why include them in the key format that is stored and transmitted? - --Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksDUTkACgkQ+NNi0s9NRJ2sKQCfffIQ8jGr1Q40t3kPz+zOAVRq 4hcAnRtgxZY7iG0nwBQKgeWbqzj31UMR =+gtN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 17 18:17:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B60C3A6831; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:17:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.112 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.112 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.487, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QQcknqbvaXp2; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EF53A6830; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAa2i-000A3G-Md for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:13:12 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAa2g-000A36-QW for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:13:10 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC1CE6064; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:13:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAI2D7s0097587; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:13:07 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911180213.nAI2D7s0097587@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Michael Graff Cc: cet1@cam.ac.uk, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org From: Mark Andrews References: <20091112171502.18A0B3A6AAC@core3.amsl.com> <200911180028.nAI0Sh0n083871@drugs.dv.isc.org> <4B03513A.4020105@isc.org> Subject: Re: [dnsext] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-03.txt In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:43:22 MDT." <4B03513A.4020105@isc.org> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:13:07 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message <4B03513A.4020105@isc.org>, Michael Graff writes: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Mark Andrews wrote: > > > In message , Chris > Thompson writes: > >> Specifically, what is an implementation to do if it finds only > >> DNSKEY records with parameter octets that it does not understand > >> (currently, any non-zero values)? Treat the zone as insecure, > >> or as bogus? > > > > Anything other than zero's wouldn't have this dnskey algorithm code. > > Then why include them in the key format that is stored and transmitted? Presumably because it make it easier to use existing software which is expecting these fields. -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From sextans4@rginsulation.com Tue Nov 17 19:28:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BFE3A67FC; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:28:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -16.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-16.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_FAKE_RCVD_LINE_B=5.777, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_DYNAMIC_SPLIT_IP=3.493, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, HELO_EQ_MY=0.35, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.561, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ruA3KRzyPQU3; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from 21.39.95.219.klj03-home.tm.net.my (21.39.95.219.klj03-home.tm.net.my [219.95.39.21]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A4F3A62C1; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:28:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from 219.95.39.21 by mail.rginsulation.com; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:27:28 +0800 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:27:28 +0800 From: "Gavin Fountain" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 18 00:21:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDC33A6912; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:21:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.647 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.647 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_RU=0.595, HELO_MISMATCH_RU=3.1, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BZGdN9BgRRk5; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:21:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1173A67FD; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAfeX-000613-Kc for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:12:37 +0000 Received: from [87.245.158.60] (helo=mx.cryptocom.ru) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAfeV-00060a-Fb for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:12:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.cryptocom.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B9C3EC4E; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:12:33 +0300 (MSK) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cryptocom.ru Received: from mx.cryptocom.ru ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx.cryptocom.ru [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id wFkjymOSLnZi; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:12:32 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [10.51.22.241] (reedcat.lan.cryptocom.ru [10.51.22.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.cryptocom.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669753EC4D; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:12:32 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <4B03AC70.70606@cryptocom.ru> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:12:32 +0300 From: Basil Dolmatov User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Andrews CC: Michael Graff , cet1@cam.ac.uk, namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-03.txt References: <20091112171502.18A0B3A6AAC@core3.amsl.com> <200911180028.nAI0Sh0n083871@drugs.dv.isc.org> <4B03513A.4020105@isc.org> <200911180213.nAI2D7s0097587@drugs.dv.isc.org> In-Reply-To: <200911180213.nAI2D7s0097587@drugs.dv.isc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Mark Andrews пишет: > In message <4B03513A.4020105@isc.org>, Michael Graff writes: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Mark Andrews wrote: >> >>> In message , Chris >> Thompson writes: >>>> Specifically, what is an implementation to do if it finds only >>>> DNSKEY records with parameter octets that it does not understand >>>> (currently, any non-zero values)? Treat the zone as insecure, >>>> or as bogus? >>> Anything other than zero's wouldn't have this dnskey algorithm code. >> Then why include them in the key format that is stored and transmitted? > > Presumably because it make it easier to use existing software which is > expecting these fields. > Definitely so. dol@ From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 18 00:29:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86583A6928; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:29:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.647 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.647 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_RU=0.595, HELO_MISMATCH_RU=3.1, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nttUhGhLP4jA; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:29:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA583A6910; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:29:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAfqO-0007CX-EW for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:24:52 +0000 Received: from [87.245.158.60] (helo=mx.cryptocom.ru) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NAfqL-0007C7-J7 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:24:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.cryptocom.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E153EC52; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:24:47 +0300 (MSK) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cryptocom.ru Received: from mx.cryptocom.ru ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx.cryptocom.ru [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id aH8ZiwrZHfFt; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:24:47 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [10.51.22.241] (reedcat.lan.cryptocom.ru [10.51.22.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.cryptocom.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0C33EC50; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:24:47 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <4B03AF4F.2020003@cryptocom.ru> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:24:47 +0300 From: Basil Dolmatov User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cet1@cam.ac.uk CC: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnsext] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-03.txt References: <20091112171502.18A0B3A6AAC@core3.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: Chris Thompson пишет: > Nit in section 7: > >> Currently, the cryptographic resistance of the GOST 34.10-2001 >> digital signature algorithm is estimated as 2**128 operations >> of multiple elliptic curve point computations on prime modulus >> 2**256. > > 2**256 isn't prime! Presumably "prime modulus of order 2**256" > or the like is meant. > Yes, thanks, will be fixed. dol@ From dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Wed Nov 18 02:22:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD873A6A92 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:22:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -53.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-53.044 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-22.459, BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP=1.398, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR=2.426, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.561, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02=0.383, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MANGLED_OFF=2.3, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_FROM_DRUGS=1.666, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URI_HEX=0.368, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c+3obU0vFYat for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from dslb-092-072-093-223.pools.arcor-ip.net (dslb-088-078-188-186.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.78.188.186]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFCF3A6809 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: Approved VIAGRA Store To: dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Member dnsext-archive@lists.ietf.org get 80% 0FF on ALL Pfizer. 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List-Archive: On Nov 18 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > >In message , Chris Thompson writes: [... snip ...] >> Specifically, what is an implementation to do if it finds only >> DNSKEY records with parameter octets that it does not understand >> (currently, any non-zero values)? Treat the zone as insecure, >> or as bogus? > >Anything other than zero's wouldn't have this dnskey algorithm code. That would be a satisfactory resolution - maybe the draft ought to make that clearer if it is indeed the intent? Maybe | Other parameters octets values are reserved for future use. should have "with a different algorithm number" added? -- Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1@ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QH, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom. 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RFC 4035: [RFC2671] introduced EDNS, and [RFC3225] reserved the DNSSEC OK bit and defined its use.  The use is restated but not altered in this document.

draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-bis-updates-09:

4.6. Setting the DO Bit on Replies
[RFC4035] does not provide any instructions to servers as to how to set the DO bit.  Some authoritative server implementations have chosen to copy the DO bit settings from the incoming query to the outgoing response.  Others have chosen to never set the DO bit in responses.  Either behavior is permitted.  To be clear, in replies to queries with the DO-bit set servers may or may not set the DO bit.

Could we remove this section? Two reasons. The first is that the statement about instructions to servers is not correct. The second reason is that I think it is unwise to standardize by implementation bug. Clearly, both 3225/4035 do not permit that behavior.

Kind regards,

Roy Arends
Sr. Researcher
Nominet UK
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CA6C8E.6A5D0F80-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 23 20:26:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF783A69D1; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:26:26 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Duplicate header field: "Message-ID" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.955 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.955 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XURRrsMeX51G; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5A73A6864; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:26:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCmqX-00094O-Rn for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:17:45 +0000 Received: from [159.226.7.146] (helo=cnnic.cn) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCmqW-000946-JK for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:17:45 +0000 Received: (eyou send program); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:17:42 +0800 Message-ID: <459036262.08134@cnnic.cn> X-EYOUMAIL-SMTPAUTH: wangxin@cnnic.cn Received: from unknown (HELO lenovo-9ec2cf0e) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:17:42 +0800 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:17:42 +0800 From: "Cindy Wang" To: "namedroppers" Subject: [dnsext] Why do we dissipate efforts to sign the DNSKEY RRset with zsk if there is ksk in the zone? 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List-Archive: Hi all, In the example given in In RFC 4035, Appendix A, We have a signed zone and the DNSKEY RRSet and its corresponding RRSIGs look like: 3600 DNSKEY 256 3 5 ( AQOy1bZVvpPqhg4j7EJoM9rI3ZmyEx2OzDBV rZy/lvI5CQePxXHZS4i8dANH4DX3tbHol61e k8EFMcsGXxKciJFHyhl94C+NwILQdzsUlSFo vBZsyl/NX6yEbtw/xN9ZNcrbYvgjjZ/UVPZI ySFNsgEYvh0z2542lzMKR4Dh8uZffQ== ) 3600 DNSKEY 257 3 5 ( AQOeX7+baTmvpVHb2CcLnL1dMRWbuscRvHXl LnXwDzvqp4tZVKp1sZMepFb8MvxhhW3y/0QZ syCjczGJ1qk8vJe52iOhInKROVLRwxGpMfzP RLMlGybr51bOV/1se0ODacj3DomyB4QB5gKT Yot/K9alk5/j8vfd4jWCWD+E1Sze0Q== ) 3600 RRSIG DNSKEY 5 1 3600 20040509183619 ( 20040409183619 9465 example. ZxgauAuIj+k1YoVEOSlZfx41fcmKzTFHoweZ xYnz99JVQZJ33wFS0Q0jcP7VXKkaElXk9nYJ XevO/7nAbo88iWsMkSpSR6jWzYYKwfrBI/L9 hjYmyVO9m6FjQ7uwM4dCP/bIuV/DKqOAK9NY NC3AHfvCV1Tp4VKDqxqG7R5tTVM= ) 3600 RRSIG DNSKEY 5 1 3600 20040509183619 ( 20040409183619 38519 example. eGL0s90glUqcOmloo/2y+bSzyEfKVOQViD9Z DNhLz/Yn9CQZlDVRJffACQDAUhXpU/oP34ri bKBpysRXosczFrKqS5Oa0bzMOfXCXup9qHAp eFIku28Vqfr8Nt7cigZLxjK+u0Ws/4lIRjKk 7z5OXogYVaFzHKillDt3HRxHIZM= ) where the first DNSKEY rr is the zsk(key tag=38519) and second ksk(key tag=9465). However, why is the RRSIG rr (key tag=38519) there? Is it of any use in the whole process? ----------------------------------------------- Cindy Wang DNS Lab, CNNIC Labs China INterent Network Information Center (CNNIC) Phone: 8610-58813074 Email: wangxin@cnnic.cn MSN: cindy_wangx@hotmail.com From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 23 20:47:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EC63A6B2E; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:47:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mbvmZP-rFgve; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:47:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220593A6B06; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:47:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCnEu-000Bby-1J for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:42:56 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCnEt-000Bbm-AI for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:42:55 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48285E6065; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAO4gpFC022398; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:42:51 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911240442.nAO4gpFC022398@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: "Cindy Wang" Cc: "namedroppers" From: Mark Andrews References: <459036262.08134@cnnic.cn> <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> Subject: Re: [dnsext] Why do we dissipate efforts to sign the DNSKEY RRset with zsk if there is ksk in the zone? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:17:42 +0800." <459036262.08134@cnnic.cn> <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:42:51 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message <459036262.08134@cnnic.cn> <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn>, "Cindy Wang " writes: > Hi all, > > In the example given in In RFC 4035, Appendix A, > > We have a signed zone and the DNSKEY RRSet and its corresponding RRSIGs look like > : > > > 3600 DNSKEY 256 3 5 ( > AQOy1bZVvpPqhg4j7EJoM9rI3ZmyEx2OzDBV > rZy/lvI5CQePxXHZS4i8dANH4DX3tbHol61e > k8EFMcsGXxKciJFHyhl94C+NwILQdzsUlSFo > vBZsyl/NX6yEbtw/xN9ZNcrbYvgjjZ/UVPZI > ySFNsgEYvh0z2542lzMKR4Dh8uZffQ== > ) > 3600 DNSKEY 257 3 5 ( > AQOeX7+baTmvpVHb2CcLnL1dMRWbuscRvHXl > LnXwDzvqp4tZVKp1sZMepFb8MvxhhW3y/0QZ > syCjczGJ1qk8vJe52iOhInKROVLRwxGpMfzP > RLMlGybr51bOV/1se0ODacj3DomyB4QB5gKT > Yot/K9alk5/j8vfd4jWCWD+E1Sze0Q== > ) > 3600 RRSIG DNSKEY 5 1 3600 20040509183619 ( > 20040409183619 9465 example. > ZxgauAuIj+k1YoVEOSlZfx41fcmKzTFHoweZ > xYnz99JVQZJ33wFS0Q0jcP7VXKkaElXk9nYJ > XevO/7nAbo88iWsMkSpSR6jWzYYKwfrBI/L9 > hjYmyVO9m6FjQ7uwM4dCP/bIuV/DKqOAK9NY > NC3AHfvCV1Tp4VKDqxqG7R5tTVM= ) > 3600 RRSIG DNSKEY 5 1 3600 20040509183619 ( > 20040409183619 38519 example. > eGL0s90glUqcOmloo/2y+bSzyEfKVOQViD9Z > DNhLz/Yn9CQZlDVRJffACQDAUhXpU/oP34ri > bKBpysRXosczFrKqS5Oa0bzMOfXCXup9qHAp > eFIku28Vqfr8Nt7cigZLxjK+u0Ws/4lIRjKk > 7z5OXogYVaFzHKillDt3HRxHIZM= ) > > where the first DNSKEY rr is the zsk(key tag=38519) and second ksk(key tag=9465). > However, why is the RRSIG rr (key tag=38519) there? Is it of any use in the whole > process? The answer is: "it depends". > ----------------------------------------------- > Cindy Wang > DNS Lab, CNNIC Labs > China INterent Network Information Center (CNNIC) > Phone: 8610-58813074 > Email: wangxin@cnnic.cn > MSN: cindy_wangx@hotmail.com > > -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 23 22:02:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0423A67A4; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:02:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.129 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.129 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.722, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, MANGLED_LOOK=2.3, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UXuG++WA1jhi; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD943A677E; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCoOM-000JOh-NE for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:56:46 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCoOL-000JOQ-77 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:56:45 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94BFE601C; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:56:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAO5ucFP035334; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:56:40 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911240556.nAO5ucFP035334@drugs.dv.isc.org> Cc: "Cindy Wang" , "namedroppers" From: Mark Andrews References: <459036262.08134@cnnic.cn> <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> <200911240442.nAO4gpFC022398@drugs.dv.isc.org> Subject: Re: [dnsext] Why do we dissipate efforts to sign the DNSKEY RRset with zsk if there is ksk in the zone? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:42:51 +1100." <200911240442.nAO4gpFC022398@drugs.dv.isc.org> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:56:38 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message <200911240442.nAO4gpFC022398@drugs.dv.isc.org>, Mark Andrews writes: > > In message <459036262.08134@cnnic.cn> <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn>, "Cind > y Wang > " writes: > > Hi all, > > > > In the example given in In RFC 4035, Appendix A, > > > > We have a signed zone and the DNSKEY RRSet and its corresponding RRSIGs loo > k like > > : > > > > > > 3600 DNSKEY 256 3 5 ( > > AQOy1bZVvpPqhg4j7EJoM9rI3ZmyEx2OzDBV > > rZy/lvI5CQePxXHZS4i8dANH4DX3tbHol61e > > k8EFMcsGXxKciJFHyhl94C+NwILQdzsUlSFo > > vBZsyl/NX6yEbtw/xN9ZNcrbYvgjjZ/UVPZI > > ySFNsgEYvh0z2542lzMKR4Dh8uZffQ== > > ) > > 3600 DNSKEY 257 3 5 ( > > AQOeX7+baTmvpVHb2CcLnL1dMRWbuscRvHXl > > LnXwDzvqp4tZVKp1sZMepFb8MvxhhW3y/0QZ > > syCjczGJ1qk8vJe52iOhInKROVLRwxGpMfzP > > RLMlGybr51bOV/1se0ODacj3DomyB4QB5gKT > > Yot/K9alk5/j8vfd4jWCWD+E1Sze0Q== > > ) > > 3600 RRSIG DNSKEY 5 1 3600 20040509183619 ( > > 20040409183619 9465 example. > > ZxgauAuIj+k1YoVEOSlZfx41fcmKzTFHoweZ > > xYnz99JVQZJ33wFS0Q0jcP7VXKkaElXk9nYJ > > XevO/7nAbo88iWsMkSpSR6jWzYYKwfrBI/L9 > > hjYmyVO9m6FjQ7uwM4dCP/bIuV/DKqOAK9NY > > NC3AHfvCV1Tp4VKDqxqG7R5tTVM= ) > > 3600 RRSIG DNSKEY 5 1 3600 20040509183619 ( > > 20040409183619 38519 example. > > eGL0s90glUqcOmloo/2y+bSzyEfKVOQViD9Z > > DNhLz/Yn9CQZlDVRJffACQDAUhXpU/oP34ri > > bKBpysRXosczFrKqS5Oa0bzMOfXCXup9qHAp > > eFIku28Vqfr8Nt7cigZLxjK+u0Ws/4lIRjKk > > 7z5OXogYVaFzHKillDt3HRxHIZM= ) > > > > where the first DNSKEY rr is the zsk(key tag=38519) and second ksk(key tag= > 9465). > > However, why is the RRSIG rr (key tag=38519) there? Is it of any use in the > whole > > process? > > The answer is: "it depends". Some of the things it depends on are: * What DS are published? * What trust anchors are publish? * Are you moving to/from using KSKs and ZSKs? * Does the SEP bit indicate a KSK or a ZSK? One can reverse the sense of that bit. There probably other conditions that come into play. DNSSEC has lots of degrees of freedom and the SEP bit is ignored by the validator. > > ----------------------------------------------- > > Cindy Wang > > DNS Lab, CNNIC Labs > > China INterent Network Information Center (CNNIC) > > Phone: 8610-58813074 > > Email: wangxin@cnnic.cn > > MSN: cindy_wangx@hotmail.com > > > > > -- > Mark Andrews, ISC > 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia > PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org > -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 23 22:22:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FE73A681A; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:22:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MNU1iLNGdVLL; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C56B3A67B4; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCoip-000Lr8-Ny for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:17:55 +0000 Received: from [2a02:760:1002:15::14] (helo=mail.kirei.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCoio-000Lqm-HJ for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:17:54 +0000 Subject: Re: [dnsext] Why do we dissipate efforts to sign the DNSKEY RRset with zsk if there is ksk in the zone? DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=kirei.se; s=wagaya20060620; t=1259043471; bh=MqQhFM7L+JkNzMPLnLOINx8OJozOI3C9MySOUTx3Hkw=; h=Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To; b=gyS9+be0n83pCZ2RY8Ak1KJk+I6gSE8QmcM9/ZviMdZ86Mbk8VIBAvMxAB0HfEgyr qkNsx/IxxvmOCxseVKkfJlISBeHjGYVz8pzbzTbu2Hwd+3JiOFyj926YE7WXGWUIbB AoDGI2QY7MXvhxB56jPuu4AtCpNrF0AyTokGYpSk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Jakob Schlyter In-Reply-To: <200911240442.nAO4gpFC022398@drugs.dv.isc.org> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:17:50 +0100 Cc: "Cindy Wang" , "namedroppers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <459036262.08134@cnnic.cn> <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> <200911240442.nAO4gpFC022398@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Mark Andrews X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: On 24 nov 2009, at 05.42, Mark Andrews wrote: >> where the first DNSKEY rr is the zsk(key tag=3D38519) and second = ksk(key tag=3D9465). >> However, why is the RRSIG rr (key tag=3D38519) there? Is it of any = use in the whole >> process?=20 >=20 > The answer is: "it depends". Mark; could you please explain in what cases the ZSK signature over the = apex DNSKEY RRset would be useful? (given that people don't configure a = ZSK as a trust-anchor) More recent signers, like OpenDNSSEC and IIRC BIND 9.7, by default only = signs DNSKEY RRsets with the KSK. If this is a bad design, please speak = up. jakob From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 23 22:36:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBBD28C0D7; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:36:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HwftcO0hycuf; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:36:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46513A67FC; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCowt-000NTH-8u for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:32:27 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCows-000NT5-Mi for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:32:26 +0000 Received: by farside.isc.org (Postfix, from userid 10292) id 379A0E6063; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:32:26 +0000 From: Evan Hunt To: Jakob Schlyter Cc: Mark Andrews , Cindy Wang , namedroppers Subject: Re: [dnsext] Why do we dissipate efforts to sign the DNSKEY RRset with zsk if there is ksk in the zone? Message-ID: <20091124063226.GB48905@isc.org> References: <459036262.08134@cnnic.cn> <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> <200911240442.nAO4gpFC022398@drugs.dv.isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: > More recent signers, like OpenDNSSEC and IIRC BIND 9.7, by default only > signs DNSKEY RRsets with the KSK. If this is a bad design, please speak > up. Minor correction: BIND 9.7 has added an option to omit the ZSK signatures from the DNSKEY RRset, but it doesn't do so by default. -- Evan Hunt -- each@isc.org Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 23 22:49:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181453A6B5B; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:49:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.679 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.679 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.320, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9lPtR+r3LABZ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:49:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE3B3A6809; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:49:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCpA9-000PCB-2m for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:46:09 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCpA8-000PBw-5y for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:46:08 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AD0E6063; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:46:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAO6jrMq035739; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:45:54 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911240645.nAO6jrMq035739@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Jakob Schlyter Cc: "Cindy Wang" , "namedroppers" From: Mark Andrews References: <459036262.08134@cnnic.cn> <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> <200911240442.nAO4gpFC022398@drugs.dv.isc.org> Subject: Re: [dnsext] Why do we dissipate efforts to sign the DNSKEY RRset with zsk if there is ksk in the zone? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:17:50 BST." Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:45:53 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message , Jakob Schlyter writ es: > On 24 nov 2009, at 05.42, Mark Andrews wrote: > > >> where the first DNSKEY rr is the zsk(key tag=3D38519) and second = > ksk(key tag=3D9465). > >> However, why is the RRSIG rr (key tag=3D38519) there? Is it of any = > use in the whole > >> process?=20 > >=20 > > The answer is: "it depends". > > Mark; could you please explain in what cases the ZSK signature over the = > apex DNSKEY RRset would be useful? (given that people don't configure a = > ZSK as a trust-anchor) What was the previous DNSKEY RRset? When was the DNSKEY RRset last changed? When was the DS RRset last changed? What was the TTL of the previos DS RRset? What was the TTL of the previous DNSKEY RRset? In steady state where you are using KSKs and ZSKs the signature isn't needed. But there are corner cases where it is needed and failing to provide it will result in validation failures. > More recent signers, like OpenDNSSEC and IIRC BIND 9.7, by default only = > signs DNSKEY RRsets with the KSK. If this is a bad design, please speak = > up. You have to explicitly tell named and dnssec-signzone to not sign the DNSKEY RRset with a ZSK. The default is to sign with all active keys. We don't assume that it is safe to drop the RRsig. > jakob -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From seductivedcp15@ramminc.com Tue Nov 24 03:16:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1CA3A69C3; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:16:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.331 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.331 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_FAKE_RCVD_LINE_B=5.777, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.561, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U1OQSNEy4w-d; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from host228-101-static.62-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it (host228-101-static.62-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it [88.62.101.228]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB9F3A69A6; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from 88.62.101.228 by server513.appriver.com; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:16:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:16:22 +0100 From: "Alva Fleming" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 24 06:37:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCB23A6A80; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:37:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZnYLr0lA0rtS; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0CF3A68B4; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCwQJ-000OJK-A6 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:31:19 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:36::28] (helo=white.flame.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCwQH-000OIr-H4 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:31:17 +0000 Received: from white.flame.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F65117D196; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigmac.home.flame.org (unknown [149.20.65.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBE2617D193; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4B0BEE33.1070706@isc.org> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:31:15 -0600 From: Michael Graff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Andrews CC: Jakob Schlyter , Cindy Wang , namedroppers Subject: Re: [dnsext] Why do we dissipate efforts to sign the DNSKEY RRset with zsk if there is ksk in the zone? References: <459036262.08134@cnnic.cn> <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> <200911240442.nAO4gpFC022398@drugs.dv.isc.org> <200911240645.nAO6jrMq035739@drugs.dv.isc.org> In-Reply-To: <200911240645.nAO6jrMq035739@drugs.dv.isc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 OpenPGP: id=BE9E0FA6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Andrews wrote: > What was the previous DNSKEY RRset? When was the DNSKEY RRset last > changed? When was the DS RRset last changed? What was the TTL of > the previos DS RRset? What was the TTL of the previous DNSKEY > RRset? > > In steady state where you are using KSKs and ZSKs the signature > isn't needed. But there are corner cases where it is needed and > failing to provide it will result in validation failures. If KSKs are not used (which is a perfectly valid option) then the ZSKs must obviously sign the zone. This is easily detected by tools. If the KSK is used and used as intended (that is, "best practice") and the ZSKs are purely internal to the zone only, then the ZSK need not sign the DNSKEY RRSet. This is not so easily detected by tools, but... If the admin is doing something strange and using ZSK to mean KSK and KSK to mean ZSK, then all bets off and they deserve what they get: more work because they are fighting convention. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 24 09:46:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67193A68DE; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:46:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_UK=1.749, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mR4++SEXPf0Z; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847C93A6953; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCzM8-000GIu-C6 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:39:12 +0000 Received: from [213.248.199.23] (helo=mx3.nominet.org.uk) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NCzM6-000GIS-Kj for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:39:10 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:To:Cc: Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date: X-MIMETrack:Content-Type; b=tA+N2aIufFJK51FvszvXp/k8viZnFYiJJyzrNuZSn9AwF9JE6VPCBAI7 vUV/8HSHvwueWeVx9ECJtTt5DZQRJetEb0CDDbvecbgnjsvemF+7Mb8PI cS26lJ/+evDJV+P; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=roy@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1259084350; x=1290620350; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20"Roy=20Arends"=20|Subject: =20Re:=20[dnsext]=20Why=20do=20we=20dissipate=20efforts =20to=20sign=20the=20DNSKEY=20RRset=20with=20zsk=0D=0A=20 if=20there=20is=20ksk=20in=20the=20zone?|Date:=20Tue,=202 4=20Nov=202009=2017:39:09=20+0000|Message-ID:=20|To:=20"Cindy=20Wang"=20|Cc:=20 "namedroppers"=20 |MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<20091124121742703857 5@cnnic.cn>|References:=20<200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn >; bh=6MJv12HSPh+0GK3wL6ezC8uZq/h3PGL48L0AYOBlp5g=; b=Zgvm11iwNURJTG36eE82NuzNPAFbeOVTz3c2cycYCSvEnkstQ4aQhzs9 bEy0WO1lngE+NdNabuptWnUdtBiHguttM/YULoJ4zC818WKcsuiDSHKFe Etxo/CoPW2teCOS; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,280,1257120000"; d="scan'208";a="19627410" Received: from notes1.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.128]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 24 Nov 2009 17:39:08 +0000 In-Reply-To: <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> References: <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> To: "Cindy Wang" Cc: "namedroppers" Subject: Re: [dnsext] Why do we dissipate efforts to sign the DNSKEY RRset with zsk if there is ksk in the zone? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V85_M2_08202008 August 20, 2008 Message-ID: From: "Roy Arends" Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:39:09 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 24/11/2009 05:39:07 PM, Serialize complete at 24/11/2009 05:39:07 PM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0060F8A680257678_=" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0060F8A680257678_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Cindy Wang wrote on 11/24/2009 04:17:42 AM: > Hi all, > > However, why is the RRSIG rr (key tag=38519) there? Is it of any use > in the whole process? The example would be just as valid without that signature there, so it is redundant. The DNSKEY RRset for .UK will have one signature, generated using the KSK. Saves space in responses too. Kind regards, Roy Arends Sr. Researcher Nominet UK PS, I'd argue that in theory, if there is just one DNSKEY in the zone, I don't see the point of having any signatures over the DNSKEY, though validators might stumble over that. --=_alternative 0060F8A680257678_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Cindy Wang wrote on 11/24/2009 04:17:42 AM:

> Hi all,
>
> However, why is the RRSIG rr (key tag=38519) there? Is it of any use
> in the whole process?

The example would be just as valid without that signature there, so it is redundant.

The DNSKEY RRset for .UK will have one signature, generated using the KSK. Saves space in responses too.

Kind regards,

Roy Arends
Sr. Researcher
Nominet UK

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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 24 13:18:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF0A3A6917; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:18:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.083 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.083 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.516, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oymI+uRCywUO; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:18:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D282F3A68B7; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:18:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ND2g0-000D41-T4 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:11:56 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ND2fz-000D3p-Ja for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:11:55 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D4FE601C; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:11:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAOLBjhE049912; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:11:48 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911242111.nAOLBjhE049912@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: "Roy Arends" Cc: "Cindy Wang" , "namedroppers" From: Mark Andrews References: <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> Subject: Re: [dnsext] Why do we dissipate efforts to sign the DNSKEY RRset with zsk if there is ksk in the zone? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:39:09 -0000." Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:11:45 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message , "Roy Arends" writes: > > Hi all, > > > > However, why is the RRSIG rr (key tag=38519) there? Is it of any use > > in the whole process? > > The example would be just as valid without that signature there, so it is > redundant. > > The DNSKEY RRset for .UK will have one signature, generated using the KSK. > Saves space in responses too. That's fine for .UK. It is not fine however for a tool that does not have a mechanism for tracking the history of keys along with the DS records that refer to those key to not generate that signature without external guidance. I'm signing with one key which will become the ZSK. I start signing with a KSK and a ZSK. I still need that ZSK signature. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Build V85_M2_08202008 August 20, 2008 Message-ID: From: "Roy Arends" Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:09:25 +0000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes1/Nominet(Release 7.0.1FP1 | May 25, 2006) at 25/11/2009 01:09:42 AM, Serialize complete at 25/11/2009 01:09:42 AM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 006EBA7B80257677_=" Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006EBA7B80257677_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Mark Andrews wrote on 11/24/2009 09:11:45 PM: > In message 0060F8A9@nominet.org.u > k>, "Roy Arends" writes: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > However, why is the RRSIG rr (key tag=38519) there? Is it of any use > > > in the whole process? > > > > The example would be just as valid without that signature there, so it is > > redundant. > > > > The DNSKEY RRset for .UK will have one signature, generated using the KSK. > > Saves space in responses too. > > That's fine for .UK. So.. this confirms that the spec allows this. That BIND will actually validate it. > It is not fine however for a tool that does not have a mechanism > for tracking the history of keys along with the DS records that > refer to those key to not generate that signature without external > guidance. I don't understand what you wrote. Would you mind rephrasing it? > I'm signing with one key which will become the ZSK. I start signing > with a KSK and a ZSK. I still need that ZSK signature. Why? > Just > looking at the zone contents does not tell me that I need the ZSK's > signature. You establish a chain of trust. Somehow. Solely the zone content wouldn't help doing this. You'd need something configured locally, and possibly a DS record at the parent. In all scenarios, how would a ZSK RRSIG over DNSKEY RRSET help, solve, be of value to the validator. Or how would absence of a ZSK RRSIG break things? To be a bit more abstract, given that a validator ignores the bit that distinguishes between ZSK and KSK, why would you have a signature over the DNSKEY RRSET by a key that is not referred to by a DS record in the parent or a configured trust anchor? Roy --=_alternative 006EBA7B80257677_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Mark Andrews wrote on 11/24/2009 09:11:45 PM:

> In message <OF00CF5DF6.EBFEBAD0-ON80257678.005E1B1C-80257678.
> 0060F8A9@nominet.org.u
> k>, "Roy Arends" writes:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > However, why is the RRSIG rr (key tag=38519) there? Is it of any use
> > > in the whole process?
> >
> > The example would be just as valid without that signature there, so it is
> > redundant.
> >
> > The DNSKEY RRset for .UK will have one signature, generated using the KSK.
> > Saves space in responses too.
>
> That's fine for .UK.
So.. this confirms that the spec allows this. That BIND will actually validate it.
 
> It is not fine however for a tool that does not have a mechanism
> for tracking the history of keys along with the DS records that
> refer to those key to not generate that signature without external
> guidance.

I don't understand what you wrote. Would you mind rephrasing it?

> I'm signing with one key which will become the ZSK. I start signing
> with a KSK and a ZSK.  I still need that ZSK signature.

Why?

> Just
> looking at the zone contents does not tell me that I need the ZSK's
> signature.

You establish a chain of trust. Somehow. Solely the zone content wouldn't help doing this. You'd need something configured locally, and possibly a DS record at the parent. In all scenarios, how would a ZSK RRSIG over DNSKEY RRSET help, solve, be of value to the validator. Or how would absence of a ZSK RRSIG break things? To be a bit more abstract, given that a validator ignores the bit that distinguishes between ZSK and KSK, why would you have a signature over the DNSKEY RRSET by a key that is not referred to by a DS record in the parent or a configured trust anchor?

Roy --=_alternative 006EBA7B80257677_=-- From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 24 17:49:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6363A68B7; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:49:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.135 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.135 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.464, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8hcRA3-4Dh6Q; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B013A6897; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ND6va-0008rj-O1 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:44:18 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ND6vZ-0008rT-Q5 for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:44:17 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBF3E6063; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:44:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAP1iCwi055881; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:44:13 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911250144.nAP1iCwi055881@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: "Roy Arends" Cc: "namedroppers" , "Cindy Wang" From: Mark Andrews References: <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> <200911242111.nAOLBjhE049912@drugs.dv.isc.org> Subject: Re: [dnsext] Why do we dissipate efforts to sign the DNSKEY RRset with zsk if there is ksk in the zone? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:09:25 -0000." Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:44:12 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message , "Roy Arends" writes: > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > --=_alternative 006EBA7B80257677_= > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Mark Andrews wrote on 11/24/2009 09:11:45 PM: > > > In message > 0060F8A9@nominet.org.u > > k>, "Roy Arends" writes: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > However, why is the RRSIG rr (key tag=38519) there? Is it of any use > > > > in the whole process? > > > > > > The example would be just as valid without that signature there, so it > is > > > redundant. > > > > > > The DNSKEY RRset for .UK will have one signature, generated using the > KSK. > > > Saves space in responses too. > > > > That's fine for .UK. > > So.. this confirms that the spec allows this. That BIND will actually > validate it. > > > It is not fine however for a tool that does not have a mechanism > > for tracking the history of keys along with the DS records that > > refer to those key to not generate that signature without external > > guidance. > > I don't understand what you wrote. Would you mind rephrasing it? > > > I'm signing with one key which will become the ZSK. I start signing > > with a KSK and a ZSK. I still need that ZSK signature. > > Why? Think key rollover and all the timing issues involved. > > Just > > looking at the zone contents does not tell me that I need the ZSK's > > signature. > > You establish a chain of trust. Somehow. Solely the zone content wouldn't > help doing this. You'd need something configured locally, and possibly a > DS record at the parent. In all scenarios, how would a ZSK RRSIG over > DNSKEY RRSET help, solve, be of value to the validator. Or how would > absence of a ZSK RRSIG break things? To be a bit more abstract, given that > a validator ignores the bit that distinguishes between ZSK and KSK, why > would you have a signature over the DNSKEY RRSET by a key that is not > referred to by a DS record in the parent or a configured trust anchor? T=0 query for data in child zone. ZSK + RRSIG(ZSK) (ttl 1200) + DS(ZSK) + RRSIG(DS) (ttl 3600) => secure T=600 Add KSK to child zone, re-sign. Zone now has ZSK + KSK + RRSIG(KSK) (ttl 1200) T=601 Add DS(KSK) to parent zone. T=1200 DNSKEY RRset + RRSIGs expires from cache. T=1201 request zone data, new DNSKEY RRset fetched ZSK + KSK + RRSIG(KSK) (ttl 1200) + DS(ZSK) + RRSIG(DS) (ttl 1199) => failure as there is not a trusted path that works. cached DS does not point to a self signing DNSKEY. T=3601 ZSK + KSK + RRSIG(KSK) (ttl 1200) + DS(KSK+ZSK) + RRSIG(DS) (ttl 3600) => secure The signer does not know what is in the parent zone. The signer does not know what is in caches. Without that knowledge the signer cannot be sure it is safe to drop the ZSK RRSIG. Mark > Roy -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 24 19:54:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929563A6951; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:54:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.072 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.072 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.423, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MQautvM0e07c; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937963A692F; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ND8rc-000K0A-TN for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:48:20 +0000 Received: from [66.92.146.20] (helo=stora.ogud.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ND8rc-000Jzt-0b for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:48:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.108] (gatt.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.6]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAP3mCHB014505; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:48:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200911250144.nAP1iCwi055881@drugs.dv.isc.org> References: <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> <200911242111.nAOLBjhE049912@drugs.dv.isc.org> <200911250144.nAP1iCwi055881@drugs.dv.isc.org> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:48:08 -0500 To: "namedroppers" From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: [dnsext] Why do we dissipate efforts to sign the DNSKEY RRset with zsk if there is ksk in the zone? Cc: ed.lewis@neustar.biz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on 66.92.146.20 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: At 12:44 +1100 11/25/09, Mark Andrews wrote: > signer does not know what is in caches. Without that > knowledge the signer cannot be sure it is safe to drop the > ZSK RRSIG. Where this explanation falls apart is in the failure to distinguish between "ZSK/KSK" and "SEP." The former is a shorthand notation that has worked its way into too many places, the latter is a distinction that is represented by a bit in the key flags. Let's say someone is operating a zone with just one key and it is not marked as an SEP key. This single key is then configured in a resolver for testing purposes. (*) Once the testing phase is complete the administrator wants to add an SEP key to the zone and use it as the "entry." If the signing application reacts to the presence of the SEP key by dropping the signature by the first key, the administrator ought to do what "is right" - that is flip the SEP bit on the first key. The signing application would then be right to add the signature back in - because the admin is indicating the true nature of the key. BTW, the (*) signifies where the administrator made an operational error - that is, using the key for a purpose but not marking the key as being used that way. It's not good if implementations try to cover over operational errors. In general, this usually results in wasted energy. Here, the waste is first in too many signatures in an already large response or in the need of an administrator to override default settings. By default, an implementation of a DNSSEC signer ought to generate only signatures over the DNSKEY set from keys with the SEP bit set. There is no reason to sign it with any other key. (It would be excusable to sign with non-SEP keys in the absence of an SEP marked key - but really - if there's no "SEP" then no signatures mean anything.) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis NeuStar You can leave a voice message at +1-571-434-5468 As with IPv6, the problem with the deployment of frictionless surfaces is that they're not getting traction. From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Tue Nov 24 20:42:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4523A67B2; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:42:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.177 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.177 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.422, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tLmD5bBxa4NA; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D433A67A6; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ND9c4-000NvL-O8 for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:36:20 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:bb::5] (helo=farside.isc.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ND9c3-000Nv9-9d for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:36:19 +0000 Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D04AE6068; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 04:36:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAP4aEfq071438; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:36:15 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200911250436.nAP4aEfq071438@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Edward Lewis Cc: "namedroppers" From: Mark Andrews References: <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> <200911242111.nAOLBjhE049912@drugs.dv.isc.org> <200911250144.nAP1iCwi055881@drugs.dv.isc.org> Subject: Re: [dnsext] Why do we dissipate efforts to sign the DNSKEY RRset with zsk if there is ksk in the zone? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:48:08 CDT." Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:36:14 +1100 Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: In message , Edward Lewis writes: > At 12:44 +1100 11/25/09, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > signer does not know what is in caches. Without that > > knowledge the signer cannot be sure it is safe to drop the > > ZSK RRSIG. > > Where this explanation falls apart is in the failure to distinguish > between "ZSK/KSK" and "SEP." The former is a shorthand notation that > has worked its way into too many places, the latter is a distinction > that is represented by a bit in the key flags. > > Let's say someone is operating a zone with just one key and it is not > marked as an SEP key. This single key is then configured in a > resolver for testing purposes. (*) Once the testing phase is > complete the administrator wants to add an SEP key to the zone and > use it as the "entry." > > If the signing application reacts to the presence of the SEP key by > dropping the signature by the first key, the administrator ought to > do what "is right" - that is flip the SEP bit on the first key. Which is a new key as far as DNSSEC is concerned. The flags are part of the keyid. > The > signing application would then be right to add the signature back in > - because the admin is indicating the true nature of the key. BTW, > the (*) signifies where the administrator made an operational error - > that is, using the key for a purpose but not marking the key as being > used that way. No. It is not a operational error. If 4034 said all keys that are used as trust-anchors or have DS records MUST have SEP set then it would be a operational error. The wg decided to not make SEP part of the protocol and tools have to account for it not being part of the protocol. > It's not good if implementations try to cover over operational > errors. In general, this usually results in wasted energy. Here, > the waste is first in too many signatures in an already large > response or in the need of an administrator to override default > settings. > > By default, an implementation of a DNSSEC signer ought to generate > only signatures over the DNSKEY set from keys with the SEP bit set. > There is no reason to sign it with any other key. (It would be > excusable to sign with non-SEP keys in the absence of an SEP marked > key - but really - if there's no "SEP" then no signatures mean > anything.) > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Edward Lewis > NeuStar You can leave a voice message at +1-571-434-5468 > > As with IPv6, the problem with the deployment of frictionless surfaces is > that they're not getting traction. > -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From gulpingd33@redoccidental.com Tue Nov 24 22:38:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D0E28C177; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:38:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.157 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.157 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_FAKE_RCVD_LINE_B=5.777, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HELO_EQ_NE_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, HOST_EQ_NE_JP=2.599, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.561, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P7Vrs8Tu72CR; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from p5073-ipad203niigatani.niigata.ocn.ne.jp (p5073-ipad203niigatani.niigata.ocn.ne.jp [58.91.44.73]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB643A6A08; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from 58.91.44.73 by mail.redoccidental.com; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:38:27 +0900 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:38:27 +0900 From: "Cecil Cartwright" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Wed Nov 25 06:49:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF8F3A63C9; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:49:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BndKI3C7c36L; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED75F3A6858; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NDJ1j-000D6L-Vz for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:39:27 +0000 Received: from [2001:4f8:3:36::28] (helo=white.flame.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NDJ1c-000D30-In for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:39:20 +0000 Received: from white.flame.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FE717D193; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigmac.home.flame.org (ip68-97-48-147.ok.ok.cox.net [68.97.48.147]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by white.flame.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3707917D190; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4B0D4195.4060502@isc.org> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:39:17 -0600 From: Michael Graff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edward Lewis CC: namedroppers Subject: Re: [dnsext] Why do we dissipate efforts to sign the DNSKEY RRset with zsk if there is ksk in the zone? References: <200911241217427038575@cnnic.cn> <200911242111.nAOLBjhE049912@drugs.dv.isc.org> <200911250144.nAP1iCwi055881@drugs.dv.isc.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 OpenPGP: id=BE9E0FA6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Edward Lewis wrote: > At 12:44 +1100 11/25/09, Mark Andrews wrote: > >> signer does not know what is in caches. Without that >> knowledge the signer cannot be sure it is safe to drop the >> ZSK RRSIG. > > Where this explanation falls apart is in the failure to distinguish > between "ZSK/KSK" and "SEP." The former is a shorthand notation that > has worked its way into too many places, the latter is a distinction > that is represented by a bit in the key flags. KSK, to me anyway, is a shorthand for "SEP capable." But it does have key flags 257, which means it's a KSK to most people. It is not, however, a protocol violation to use it otherwise. The ZSK has flags 256, which is not a SEP in common practice. It is not, however, a protocol violation to use it as such. These are "by convention" used in certain ways: KSKs are used externally as a link between parent and child through DS or DLV records. They are the things that get put into trusted-key configuration in resolvers. ZSKs are used only within the zone, and are not intended by a knowledgeable admin to have any other security properties other than signing the zone and being signed by the SEP (KSK) keys. 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From owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Mon Nov 30 23:14:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-dnsext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283A03A6929; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:14:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.346 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.346 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.254, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6PSaO-Oh5CaY; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:14:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C65A3A6B08; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NFMiL-000Fnq-6I for namedroppers-data0@psg.com; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:59:57 +0000 Received: from [2001:1890:1112:1::20] (helo=mail.ietf.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.70 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NFMiJ-000Fnc-Vi for namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:59:56 +0000 Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id A3F273A6B14; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Subject: [dnsext] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-05.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091201070001.A3F273A6B14@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:00:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-namedroppers@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with List-Unsubscribe: the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. List-Archive: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DNS Extensions Working Group of the IETF. Title : Use of GOST signature algorithms in DNSKEY and RRSIG Resource Records for DNSSEC Author(s) : V. Dolmatov, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-05.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2009-11-30 This document describes how to produce signature and hash using GOST algorithms [DRAFT1, DRAFT2, DRAFT3] for DNSKEY, RRSIG and DS resource records for use in the Domain Name System Security Extensions (DNSSEC, RFC 4033, RFC 4034, and RFC 4035). V.Dolmatov Expires May 30, 2010 [page 1] A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-gost-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-11-30224857.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart--