From nobody Sun Mar 2 07:14:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1573B1A027D for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 07:14:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.748 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.748 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kP1k9sSvStcI for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 07:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-in3.euro.apple.com (mail-in3.euro.apple.com [17.72.148.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7131A0796 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 07:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.euro.apple.com ( [17.66.55.11]) (using TLS with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail-in3.euro.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 3E.C3.07340.ECA43135; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 15:14:22 +0000 (GMT) X-AuditID: 1148940d-f79b96d000001cac-ae-53134aced058 Received: from phonehome1 (phonehome1.euro.apple.com [17.72.133.81]) (using TLS with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay1.euro.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 32.CE.07555.ECA43135; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 15:14:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [130.129.153.114] (unknown [130.129.153.114]) by phonehome1.euro.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.01(7.0.4.27.0) 64bit (built Aug 30 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0N1T006AMEBVLL50@phonehome1.euro.apple.com> for dnssd@ietf.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:14:22 +0000 (GMT) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Stuart Cheshire In-reply-to: Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 07:14:19 -0800 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <963DB56C-9D87-4D0A-9A5B-A90DA6BEDDCD@bangj.com> To: Markus Stenberg X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrELMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi6GTOrXvOSzjYYPIZfYv3S2cxOjB6LFny kymAMYrLJiU1J7MstUjfLoErY+6alywFLZwVW2b/Z21g3MDexcjJISFgItG2pp8NwhaTuHBv PZDNxSEkMJFJ4uTcq2wwRQfnzWWHSMxmkvj0YwGUs5FJYsPHpUxdjBwczAJ6EvcvaoE08AKZ Z87+AtsgLOAq8fDwXLBBbAJaEi8+XwGzOQWsJHp/rAKzWQRUJXau/sIMYjMLmEqcmN3MDmFr Szx5d4EVYqaNxOpLW5kh9p5nlLizazZYs4iAjsSFTwdZIS6VlXj0oYkFpEhC4CurxMrb89gn MArPQrhvFpL7ZiHZsYCReRWjeG5iZo5uZp6xXmppUb5eYkFBTqpecn7uJkZQSHtM4d3BeP2g 4SFGAQ5GJR7eO+bCwUKsiWXFlbmHGCU4mJVEeBU9gUK8KYmVValF+fFFpTmpxYcYpTlYlMR5 HSR/BgkJpCeWpGanphakFsFkmTg4pRoYXeXkfnz4NHf9Gv3E4x02251nLFv5c43j/uArRaWd 035yzRRlszN0Fzs0dd7i5DPZX1fy7RM8+UPodVnxs3Wha7kOx7rEnz6uxLdtcVO9SUvGxt32 zyv2nEhud1TQm/hr2VRn+z1nmjvZeX29FpxeEKM/Mfi78vSNX6oPrZ+ReFyIW3jNfO0Pbkos xRmJhlrMRcWJANs+zytlAgAA X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrFLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi6NEaqHvOSzjYoL9L2+L90lmMDoweS5b8 ZApgjOKySUnNySxLLdK3S+DKmLvmJUtBC2fFltn/WRsYN7B3MXJySAiYSBycNxfKFpO4cG89 WxcjF4eQwGwmiU8/FrBDOBuZJDZ8XMrUxcjBwSygJ3H/ohZIAy+QeebsL7BmYQFXiYeH57KB 2GwCWhIvPl8BszkFrCR6f6wCs1kEVCV2rv7CDGIzC5hKnJjdzA5ha0s8eXeBFWKmjcTqS1uZ IfaeZ5S4s2s2WLOIgI7EhU8HWSEulZV49KGJZQKjwCyEk2YhOWkWkrELGJlXMYoWpeYkVhrq pZYW5eslFhTkpOol5+duYgSFoJM59w7G47sNDzEKcDAq8fCyWggHC7EmlhVX5h5ilOBgVhLh VfQECvGmJFZWpRblxxeV5qQWH2KU5mBREuf1S6kNEhJITyxJzU5NLUgtgskycXBKNTCqu09S dw5+oSYZYC+++v+lhBWVkSZdXybffH7t20o1Ix9d9t+6XWqrlwQ+np6xR1D6mOQ25taM+GOJ h5PzTTrripQvVZXwaubsyWWKPbL6e7+7FK/434N32SzM0z5tlBJ5xy36XEhz/d6bPWsDX3tF 7IhevOfXnsKY+2Z7V7TtfiAe4rX9/R4lluKMREMt5qLiRADH9bDAPQIAAA== Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/j5StItPPAr63XE_wzHt0XuVU-Zs Cc: dnssd@ietf.org, Tom Pusateri Subject: Re: [dnssd] Questions about draft-cheshire-mdnsext-hybrid-02 X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:14:28 -0000 On 25 Feb, 2014, at 00:41, Markus Stenberg = wrote: > In my experience, most common clients don=92t try to set up LLQ at = all. Your mileage may vary though. Can you list what the =93common clients=94 are? The DNS-SD APIs on Mac, iOS and Android all use LLQ. For this to work, they need to find the =93_dns-llq._udp=94 SRV record = telling them what host and port is providing the LLQ service, e.g. % dig _dns-llq._udp.services.example.com. srv ; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> _dns-llq._udp.services.example.com. srv ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 42890 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;_dns-llq._udp.services.example.com. IN SRV ;; ANSWER SECTION: _dns-llq._udp.services.example.com. 3600 IN SRV 0 0 12345 = hybrid-proxy.services.example.com. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: services.example.com. 7200 IN NS = hybrid-proxy.services.example.com. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: hybrid-proxy.services.example.com. 86400 IN A 10.1.2.3 Do you have this SRV record in place? Stuart Cheshire From nobody Sun Mar 2 08:02:16 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10C01A07FC for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 08:02:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tF4NA1t3zOvW for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 08:02:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from jenni1.inet.fi (mta-out.inet.fi [195.156.147.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDC81A07A2 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 08:02:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-10-61-103-234.cisco.com (173.38.208.169) by jenni1.inet.fi (8.5.140.03) (authenticated as stenma-47) id 527750DA09EF0ED6; Sun, 2 Mar 2014 18:02:01 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Markus Stenberg In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2014 16:01:58 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <963DB56C-9D87-4D0A-9A5B-A90DA6BEDDCD@bangj.com> To: Stuart Cheshire X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/o1C1cZbroMblgPdQXEQTbnH1sYI Cc: dnssd@ietf.org, Markus Stenberg , Tom Pusateri Subject: Re: [dnssd] Questions about draft-cheshire-mdnsext-hybrid-02 X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 16:02:13 -0000 On 2.3.2014, at 15.14, Stuart Cheshire wrote: > On 25 Feb, 2014, at 00:41, Markus Stenberg = wrote: >> In my experience, most common clients don=92t try to set up LLQ at = all. Your mileage may vary though. > Can you list what the =93common clients=94 are? >=20 > The DNS-SD APIs on Mac, iOS and Android all use LLQ. Your OS X 10.8.latest (mDNSResponder 377-ish), Avahi 0.6something. I=92m = pretty sure behavior is same on OS X 10.9 too, but I haven=92t looked at = wireshark outputs recently.=20 > For this to work, they need to find the =93_dns-llq._udp=94 SRV record = telling them what host and port is providing the LLQ service, e.g. >=20 > % dig _dns-llq._udp.services.example.com. srv They seem to also require global non-RFC1918 IPv4 address, perhaps. Or = NAT-PMP, PCP or something. At least with IPv6 GUA + RFC 1918 IPv4 = address I have not found a client that _does_ LLQ _for IPv6_, at least = without some extra stuff on the network that isn=92t present in my = home/test lab as it=92s almost IPv6-only with only fallback v4 = connectivity. > Do you have this SRV record in place? It isn=92t ever even asked for. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 23:42:43 -0000 On 2 Mar, 2014, at 08:01, Markus Stenberg = wrote: >> For this to work, they need to find the =93_dns-llq._udp=94 SRV = record telling them what host and port is providing the LLQ service, = e.g. >>=20 >> % dig _dns-llq._udp.services.example.com. srv >=20 > They seem to also require global non-RFC1918 IPv4 address, perhaps. Or = NAT-PMP, PCP or something. At least with IPv6 GUA + RFC 1918 IPv4 = address I have not found a client that _does_ LLQ _for IPv6_, at least = without some extra stuff on the network that isn=92t present in my = home/test lab as it=92s almost IPv6-only with only fallback v4 = connectivity. You are right. This is an unfortunate bug. If the client has an RFC1918 = IPv4 address, then it tries to make a port mapping using PCP or NAT-PMP = (or even UPnP IGD), and won=92t try the LLQ setup if it can=92t create a = port mapping. Stuart Cheshire From nobody Mon Mar 3 02:00:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319D81A0D6D for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 02:00:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.037 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.037 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6VwFUNA8-TI1 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 02:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFFA1A0D5D for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 02:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-a7b8.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-a7b8.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.167.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A66A627BA; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 04:59:55 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_212FAAED-DA8C-4AF7-AAA3-D93FCF4902FC"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 09:59:49 +0000 Message-Id: References: <963DB56C-9D87-4D0A-9A5B-A90DA6BEDDCD@bangj.com> To: Stuart Cheshire X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/DcrK5ERJqtT9pd_gthmmhAshalc Cc: dnssd@ietf.org, Markus Stenberg Subject: Re: [dnssd] Questions about draft-cheshire-mdnsext-hybrid-02 X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 10:00:06 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_212FAAED-DA8C-4AF7-AAA3-D93FCF4902FC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Mar 2, 2014, at 3:14 PM, Stuart Cheshire wrote: > On 25 Feb, 2014, at 00:41, Markus Stenberg = wrote: >=20 >> In my experience, most common clients don=92t try to set up LLQ at = all. Your mileage may vary though. >=20 > Can you list what the =93common clients=94 are? >=20 > The DNS-SD APIs on Mac, iOS and Android all use LLQ. >=20 > For this to work, they need to find the =93_dns-llq._udp=94 SRV record = telling them what host and port is providing the LLQ service, e.g. >=20 > % dig _dns-llq._udp.services.example.com. srv >=20 > ; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> _dns-llq._udp.services.example.com. srv > ;; global options: +cmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 42890 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1 >=20 > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;_dns-llq._udp.services.example.com. IN SRV >=20 > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > _dns-llq._udp.services.example.com. 3600 IN SRV 0 0 12345 = hybrid-proxy.services.example.com. >=20 > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > services.example.com. 7200 IN NS = hybrid-proxy.services.example.com. >=20 > ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: > hybrid-proxy.services.example.com. 86400 IN A 10.1.2.3 >=20 > Do you have this SRV record in place? >=20 > Stuart Cheshire So, in this example, since services.example.com. is delegated to = hybrid-proxy.services.example.com. then it's the hybrid proxy that will = provide the _dns-llq._udp SRV record, correct? If so, then this should = be added to the next version of the hybrid proxy draft. Thanks, Tom --Apple-Mail=_212FAAED-DA8C-4AF7-AAA3-D93FCF4902FC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTFFKVAAoJEPk0GMVmUuYMtM8IALpbkW8OaYqQSyPZe9XWW+d1 zxYID/JYI3+pfDhrvKrVGYxokHY4Hm+Lz2uyqAV1ZNunLc/2q0wYt8DHUPrjNQLr iuxT9zrAj9XIrOG3s4zkK3ddr63sYHxmBJ+O/Hn4b3+WP3LB1J6LPapG/cz3FTHQ T2alNJl+qcns0FhODroCHuDslhsd1enhsm9XRBYlwU3HuTp8nncPLCZJF4Sxkfis oxbB97v43dJ2WqNZW04Laf3ee47IEubVU4Z/L3IL6Shd+jy4IM5dWPy7Bje9vguV 9YMqEGu+rhq8jfAoNlpagi4fQjnVQWA1SI6YWbTKHymBuq63g0/CoGkP+/YiBQs= =rZjN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_212FAAED-DA8C-4AF7-AAA3-D93FCF4902FC-- From nobody Mon Mar 3 03:31:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2761A000A for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 03:31:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.767 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.767 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id efTjS-a5Oi0r for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 03:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70191A0005 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 03:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s23BVYI9023037 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 11:31:34 GMT X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk s23BVYI9023037 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1393846294; bh=yEP3eaN746exLeP2k59sWcP515Q=; h=From:Subject:Date:To:Mime-Version:References; b=q1RKZ3RnBTFnSDeeSi26/9y8q7fShdsgN53g0B0G7KDn54ajj6ektR4xy4Es9ew+A 6DvfDnKV//3uyry+k4U56cnj9Px2H89v8T+nifERsmpOwPaTcsDttM/0QN/reZubwO ZALyLMain2qZSz02BBKbH9K3pwwR6M10sToJiNnY= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:401]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:68da]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id q22BVY0959606942H7 ret-id none; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 11:31:34 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:370:160:4fe:7e07:c90f:a79d] ([IPv6:2001:67c:370:160:4fe:7e07:c90f:a79d]) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s23BVUR6003069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 11:31:31 GMT From: Tim Chown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6E6A382B-F68A-420A-8B71-7498263E0781" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 11:31:30 +0000 To: dnssd@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=q22BVY095960694200; tid=q22BVY0959606942H7; client=relay,forged,no_ptr,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=1:0; fails=0 References: <1B6A6F8D-FF5B-402B-A528-8F315BE82C4E@ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: s23BVYI9023037 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/OBlvdzJWWLbFhO4NnMjq4v2BFCg Subject: [dnssd] IETF89: dnssd session today X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 11:31:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6E6A382B-F68A-420A-8B71-7498263E0781 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi, The dnssd session is 13:00-15:00 GMT today. Ralph and I will be looking for a second minutes taker to act as backup = for Stuart when he=92s talking and a jabber scribe. There is an etherpad available for IETF89, as linked to at = http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnssd/minutes. The pad has the agenda already = in it, into which notes can be added. So in theory we can create minutes = cooperatively, or at least the primary minute taker uses this and others = can chip in, e.g. to add/correct names at the mic. Remote participation details: http://www.ietf.org/meeting/89/remote-participation.html For selectiong the audio stream, we=92re in Sovereign. Jabber: dnssd@jabber.ietf.org Log: http://jabber.ietf.org/logs/dnssd/ Tim= --Apple-Mail=_6E6A382B-F68A-420A-8B71-7498263E0781 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Hi,

The dnssd session is = 13:00-15:00 GMT today.

Ralph and I will be = looking for a second minutes taker to act as backup for Stuart when he=92s= talking and a jabber scribe.

There is an = etherpad available for IETF89, as linked to at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/d= nssd/minutes. The pad has the agenda already in it, into which = notes can be added. So in theory we can create minutes cooperatively, or = at least the primary minute taker uses this and others can chip in, e.g. = to add/correct names at the mic.

Remote = participation details:
For = selectiong the audio stream, we=92re in = Sovereign.


Tim
= --Apple-Mail=_6E6A382B-F68A-420A-8B71-7498263E0781-- From nobody Mon Mar 3 04:21:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A091A00AE for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 04:21:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.767 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.767 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.547, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5eGpNiNfVpBE for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 04:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:d0:f102::25e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DEE1A00A8 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 04:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (localhost.ecs.soton.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s23CLW5o008524 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 12:21:32 GMT X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk s23CLW5o008524 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=ecs.soton.ac.uk; s=201304; t=1393849292; bh=n5EC1reWwALZXXauKtRKVeAXVmM=; h=From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To; b=OrXdGfTuZxN/fJ88GFYVOFjNo9raNlyrmbtt5+4Ifaop534ht2PLTDZPkl+XEDtTW rfBNzSQxtdad/60IqO7VXSoWf5L9XmpyLZ3Qx21NMqJvTZI0ZmF9SXDuZ6mKKDB/2w mk/EQ6nENTP8xoA9KyA3OslQw3GxjF7sRaJ/CM2o= Received: from gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:401]) by falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk (falcon.ecs.soton.ac.uk [2001:630:d0:f102:250:56ff:fea0:68da]) envelope-from with ESMTP (valid=N/A) id q22CLW0959607628BS ret-id none; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:21:32 +0000 Received: from wireless-v6.meeting.ietf.org (wireless-v6.meeting.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:67c:370:160:642a:3359:a253:42ee] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by gander.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s23CKBRW017725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 12:20:11 GMT From: Tim Chown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3596A734-DB7A-4316-BCA6-CF290FB611E1" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 12:20:10 +0000 References: <1B6A6F8D-FF5B-402B-A528-8F315BE82C4E@ecs.soton.ac.uk> To: dnssd@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <1B6A6F8D-FF5B-402B-A528-8F315BE82C4E@ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-smtpf-Report: sid=q22CLW095960762800; tid=q22CLW0959607628BS; client=relay,forged,no_ptr,ipv6; mail=; rcpt=; nrcpt=1:0; fails=0 X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-ID: s23CLW5o008524 X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/jpjzMX3fLC1ibNntFdIAwiqBmOE Subject: Re: [dnssd] IETF89: dnssd session today X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 12:21:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3596A734-DB7A-4316-BCA6-CF290FB611E1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Also,=20 Agenda: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/89/agenda/agenda-89-dnssd Meeting materials (slides): https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/89/materials.html#dnssd Tim On 3 Mar 2014, at 11:31, Tim Chown wrote: > Hi, >=20 > The dnssd session is 13:00-15:00 GMT today. >=20 > Ralph and I will be looking for a second minutes taker to act as = backup for Stuart when he=92s talking and a jabber scribe. >=20 > There is an etherpad available for IETF89, as linked to at = http://tools.ietf.org/wg/dnssd/minutes. The pad has the agenda already = in it, into which notes can be added. So in theory we can create minutes = cooperatively, or at least the primary minute taker uses this and others = can chip in, e.g. to add/correct names at the mic. >=20 > Remote participation details: > http://www.ietf.org/meeting/89/remote-participation.html > For selectiong the audio stream, we=92re in Sovereign. >=20 > Jabber: dnssd@jabber.ietf.org > Log: http://jabber.ietf.org/logs/dnssd/ >=20 > Tim --Apple-Mail=_3596A734-DB7A-4316-BCA6-CF290FB611E1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Also, 

Agenda:

Meeting materials (slides):
Tim

On 3 Mar 2014, at 11:31, Tim = Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> = wrote:

Hi,

The dnssd session is = 13:00-15:00 GMT today.

Ralph and I will be = looking for a second minutes taker to act as backup for Stuart when he=92s= talking and a jabber scribe.

There is an = etherpad available for IETF89, as linked to at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/d= nssd/minutes. The pad has the agenda already in it, into which = notes can be added. So in theory we can create minutes cooperatively, or = at least the primary minute taker uses this and others can chip in, e.g. = to add/correct names at the mic.

Remote = participation details:
For = selectiong the audio stream, we=92re in = Sovereign.


Tim

<= /body>= --Apple-Mail=_3596A734-DB7A-4316-BCA6-CF290FB611E1-- From nobody Mon Mar 3 05:19:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F1D1A0005 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 05:06:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ia72UgjwCqWT for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 05:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2lp0235.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.235]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B76E1A0011 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 05:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.141.25) by BY2PR03MB596.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.255.93.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.888.9; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 13:06:04 +0000 Received: from BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.141.25]) by BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.141.25]) with mapi id 15.00.0888.003; Mon, 3 Mar 2014 13:06:04 +0000 From: Dave Thaler To: "dnssd@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Feedback on draft-ietf-dnssd-requirements-01 Thread-Index: Ac824PoGdYWxNUieRHCPbMNxZ5AmZAAAEIfw Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 13:06:03 +0000 Message-ID: <0e0d8ec2991b444c8254d8c699fc96bf@BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [31.133.166.116] x-forefront-prvs: 0139052FDB x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009001)(428001)(199002)(189002)(243025003)(377454003)(83322001)(87266001)(19580405001)(16236675002)(4396001)(66066001)(86362001)(94316002)(95666003)(15975445006)(93136001)(47736001)(65816001)(49866001)(19580395003)(47976001)(85306002)(94946001)(87936001)(558084003)(2656002)(50986001)(74502001)(47446002)(76796001)(81542001)(76786001)(54316002)(79102001)(54356001)(81342001)(59766001)(77982001)(86612001)(80976001)(69226001)(74662001)(74316001)(92566001)(74706001)(95416001)(74876001)(74366001)(63696002)(19300405004)(81816001)(46102001)(76576001)(33646001)(93516002)(15202345003)(83072002)(80022001)(81686001)(53806001)(76176001)(76482001)(90146001)(31966008)(56776001)(56816005)(51856001)(24736002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR03MB596; H:BY2PR03MB412.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:31.133.166.116; FPR:B789CC93.203F9FF8.C5E83A86.F3B4350B.20071; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (: microsoft.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_0e0d8ec2991b444c8254d8c699fc96bfBY2PR03MB412namprd03pro_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/IpPfNX3_V0sxNA8Ip9P9PAd0ZYQ X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 05:19:06 -0800 Subject: [dnssd] FW: Feedback on draft-ietf-dnssd-requirements-01 X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 13:06:11 -0000 --_000_0e0d8ec2991b444c8254d8c699fc96bfBY2PR03MB412namprd03pro_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Dave Thaler Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 1:04 PM To: 'draft-ietf-dnssd-requirements@tools.ietf.org' Subject: Feedback on draft-ietf-dnssd-requirements-01 http://research.microsoft.com/~dthaler/draft-ietf-dnssd-requirements-01.pdf --_000_0e0d8ec2991b444c8254d8c699fc96bfBY2PR03MB412namprd03pro_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

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--_000_0e0d8ec2991b444c8254d8c699fc96bfBY2PR03MB412namprd03pro_-- From nobody Tue Mar 25 14:55:55 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988AD1A026D for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:55:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OS2FHxA9ZH6R for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oj.bangj.com (amt0.gin.ntt.net [129.250.11.170]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0681A0273 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.10.186] (cpe-071-070-131-132.nc.res.rr.com [71.70.131.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BA62324D2 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:55:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Pusateri Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2130869F-49B0-4487-BD91-A4F60F7A7D1C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Message-Id: <266715B1-15B3-4649-9342-01FC17EEFDB6@bangj.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:55:39 -0400 To: dnssd@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/pnyRhkeR7kt0Baz4TDJmCaybaVQ Subject: [dnssd] draft-cheshire-dnssd-hybrid-01 & NSEC records X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 21:55:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2130869F-49B0-4487-BD91-A4F60F7A7D1C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In section 3.1, it describes the translation of certain record types = that may be required by the hybrid proxy. Here's an example of one that isn't listed in section 3.1 but maybe = should be. A unicast query is received by the proxy for _domain._udp.Building = 1.example.com. and a query is sent for _domain._udp.local. to the = appropriate interface and this response is received: q: 1, tc: 0, qd: 0, an: 1, ns: 0, ar: 3, rcode: No Error hypd: rname: _domain._udp.local., rrtype: SRV, rrclass: 1, rrset: 0, = ttl: 120, data: foo.local. hypd: rname: foo.local., rrtype: AAAA, rrclass: 1, rrset: 1, ttl: 120, = data: fe80::2a37:37ff:fe40:4462 hypd: rname: foo.local., rrtype: A, rrclass: 1, rrset: 1, ttl: 120, = data: 198.51.100.1 hypd: rname: foo.local., rrtype: NSEC, rrclass: 1, rrset: 1, ttl: 120, = data: foo.local. A AAAA This response contains a link-local IPv6 address which should be = filtered before the unicast response is generated. Specific mention of rewriting the NSEC bitmap of records present to = remove the AAAA bit could be added to section 3.1 as another example of = necessary data translation. However, RFC 6762, Section 6.1 states that the Next Domain Name in the = RDATA section is the record's name and name compression is allowed. RFC = 3845 which defines NSEC says name compression is not allowed and the = Next Domain Name is the next name in lexicographical order. So, should proxy follow the unicast guidelines or the multicast = guidelines? In the case above, should I just filter the AAAA record and = record present bit in the NSEC record? Or should I drop the NSEC record = altogether? Or should I change the Next Domain Name and stop using = compression? Thanks, Tom --Apple-Mail=_2130869F-49B0-4487-BD91-A4F60F7A7D1C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTMftbAAoJEPk0GMVmUuYMVb4IAM9Z1sw1J5XBScCguOpWbPar bwKZEOdFPdro3G+AT134jKG1lzH+uUWmT2dRroU6tid7GUoQSpaBccqIi52gbj24 VAw+04PvPbtcdk7tBTcoiW0I3dqE87I3wsmvdcJBYKwmKoKtl0LM6e2QwQhCPT31 xeS02hCxedgPmlPb/mOxSQmwaseRCiKYVnkxXSdNSX9fvEvGZKIeqmKQVtv2MyR1 VL2VtMNBhd804xUrqk+gIKUQiEyLNFZQee1YpjW/gOC8/z6TxmMy21Kx5rmalkaD xgsdtb9bzljeiZeukUO/6uFxetylIy7TZ3OkQxqkPKmQuBo9RdrnKF/XVDLc7g0= =AfVV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_2130869F-49B0-4487-BD91-A4F60F7A7D1C-- From nobody Tue Mar 25 15:25:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A9B1A0265 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:24:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_35=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fXIvg7vUoHHT for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x235.google.com (mail-pa0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9191A0259 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id ld10so1059396pab.12 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:24:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=amhVHif9fW0FtM3+xJuhNjYcGqKB/BjS+MGu87s1ubQ=; b=gfHxRpEZFSUM833LSrqOdDD1WMque7fspeuNxpmaURi46SGmMuw1reoJyK2slStL2c eFBx6I7bY4icszoVvf13zFIJwqoBk7X+ChfWZrquYoTo9+Md4QoFu+1eYICpAnFeffL0 mD4DpGZp2U75UQH3o73TZV+CDXNTYIG9nDc2uMaHGe+5EVyW5Z03CigRGbAPO1SqqVGy A4QsuzKQJfpDeWeWxUTSqPGTod1OOwuofOKQqs9xwfHCK02ZsqakdPT/AapRrGs8vZs/ Tk8h118+hLgxJTwxZrxvXmWvhc/3PHKZNROs6onZOwoAHFWIDCG/gTjZbgjF5n37YvP/ V2qg== X-Received: by 10.66.66.66 with SMTP id d2mr302214pat.80.1395786297136; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.54] (107-0-5-6-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [107.0.5.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qw8sm49443217pbb.27.2014.03.25.15.24.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) From: Douglas Otis In-Reply-To: <266715B1-15B3-4649-9342-01FC17EEFDB6@bangj.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:25:09 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <857E3F8E-30ED-4A62-ADC4-A0466749D633@gmail.com> References: <266715B1-15B3-4649-9342-01FC17EEFDB6@bangj.com> To: Tom Pusateri X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1874) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/bQi1HG8zR4Yg04a18eP9ak7ZmDY Cc: dnssd@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dnssd] draft-cheshire-dnssd-hybrid-01 & NSEC records X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 22:24:59 -0000 On Mar 25, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: > In section 3.1, it describes the translation of certain record types = that may be required by the hybrid proxy. > Here's an example of one that isn't listed in section 3.1 but maybe = should be. >=20 > A unicast query is received by the proxy for _domain._udp.Building = 1.example.com. and a query is sent for _domain._udp.local. to the = appropriate interface and this response is received: >=20 > q: 1, tc: 0, qd: 0, an: 1, ns: 0, ar: 3, rcode: No Error > hypd: rname: _domain._udp.local., rrtype: SRV, rrclass: 1, rrset: 0, = ttl: 120, data: foo.local. > hypd: rname: foo.local., rrtype: AAAA, rrclass: 1, rrset: 1, ttl: = 120, data: fe80::2a37:37ff:fe40:4462 > hypd: rname: foo.local., rrtype: A, rrclass: 1, rrset: 1, ttl: 120, = data: 198.51.100.1 > hypd: rname: foo.local., rrtype: NSEC, rrclass: 1, rrset: 1, ttl: = 120, data: foo.local. A AAAA >=20 > This response contains a link-local IPv6 address which should be = filtered before the unicast response is generated. >=20 > Specific mention of rewriting the NSEC bitmap of records present to = remove the AAAA bit could be added to section 3.1 as another example of = necessary data translation. >=20 > However, RFC 6762, Section 6.1 states that the Next Domain Name in the = RDATA section is the record's name and name compression is allowed. RFC = 3845 which defines NSEC says name compression is not allowed and the = Next Domain Name is the next name in lexicographical order. >=20 > So, should proxy follow the unicast guidelines or the multicast = guidelines? In the case above, should I just filter the AAAA record and = record present bit in the NSEC record? Or should I drop the NSEC record = altogether? Or should I change the Next Domain Name and stop using = compression? Dear Tom, Any translation from mDNS must conform to DNS and not mDNS requirements. = NSEC records in mDNS are NOT valid NSEC records for DNS. One motivation for extending mDNS is overcome by extending AirPlay over = Bluetooth by the latest generation AppleTV. It should also be noted no = HDCP scheme permits even one network hop. I still insist a proper = solution would use RBridge or VLAN. Even so, larger configurations = should still filter out undesired services from being extended. The recommendation is to filter out link-local addresses. Blithely = populating DNS with mDNS names with their addresses pinned to a routable = address by way of a NAT represents a poor practice. At the presentation, someone suggested mDNS must work over networks = unable to handle multicast. In that case, something like = Active-Directory or DNS must be used natively. In such cases mDNS has no = role. Regards, Douglas Otis From nobody Fri Mar 28 07:27:59 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321211A0928 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 07:27:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KLAEVf4_HLJg for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 07:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134F71A06C6 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 07:27:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=264; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1396016869; x=1397226469; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=CjjoTncog6Ao2G4ILKf1cHJPd78pwJYm965XELo+Iu0=; b=SZWFbz9pwCGC9GxMFwb/LL8PgG1uXnLZWoC6sfUtS3anmBVNFU9eJWKo 6SlmE6Ub6ck13dWDemAGMcH81bW+n3HrBpVyN1vTY+q11Fqe3Fx1pV6zx 6Uv6awGYtgxE4scfmZ4gzZW5j4f8iusKWgu3Jt87ff7twIQsRwBq8Q/oS A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjgFABeGNVOtJV2Y/2dsb2JhbABZgwaBEo0FtV4KgRgWdIIsOj8SAT5CJwQOh37RbheOeoMrgRQEmE6SNYMwgis X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,751,1389744000"; d="scan'208";a="31178165" Received: from rcdn-core-1.cisco.com ([173.37.93.152]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2014 14:27:48 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com [173.37.183.85]) by rcdn-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s2SERmYe003373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Mar 2014 14:27:48 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x04.cisco.com ([169.254.9.29]) by xhc-rcd-x11.cisco.com ([173.37.183.85]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:27:48 -0500 From: "Ralph Droms (rdroms)" To: "dnssd@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IETF-89 WG meeting minutes Thread-Index: AQHPSpHkEHLjcgR8cUeAy0rCIcCupQ== Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 14:27:48 +0000 Message-ID: <050253C2-034A-4151-A798-6D6BBB5E5445@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.86.241.86] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <386F309A09503D47AA19DDCD73544F89@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnssd/sEbXkGk65HRGz8Zu4AhxwDG-mFs Cc: "dnssd-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [dnssd] IETF-89 WG meeting minutes X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to Bonjour \(mDNS and DNS-SD\) for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 14:27:56 -0000 I've posted minutes from th eLondon meeting; thanks to Stuart for preparing= the notes and to everyone who contributed to the etherpad notes. Please review the minutes and let us know if you need to suggest any additi= ons/corrections/deletions. - Ralph