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text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dnssd] WG adoption call: draft-cheshire-dnssd-roadmap-01 - confirmed X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 08:10:17 -0000 Hi, There have been no further comments, so this draft is now adopted as a WG d= raft as agreed in the London meeting. Stuart, please submit a new draft-ietf-dnssd-roadmap-00 version when you're= ready. Best wishes, Tim=20 > On 22 Mar 2018, at 17:18, Tim Chown wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > In the dnssd WG meeting today we agreed adoption of draft-cheshire-dnssd-= roadmap-01 (see below) as a WG item subject to confirmation on the list. T= he documents explains the components of the DNS-SD model, and how they rela= te. Note that adoption doesn't necessarily mean we'll need to publish the = document, but the feeling in the room was that it's a useful document to sh= ow the direction of travel of the WG, and as an intro to the components for= anyone new to the WG. >=20 > If you were not at the meeting, please indicate support or any objection = to the adoption by Thursday 29th March. >=20 > The roadmap document now includes an Appendix, "IETF Terminal Room Printe= r Discovery Walk-through", explaining how DNS-based service discovery works= for the printer in the IETF terminal room. >=20 > Tim=20 >=20 >> On 21 Mar 2018, at 19:37, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direc= tories. >>=20 >>=20 >> Title : Service Discovery Road Map >> Author : Stuart Cheshire >> =09Filename : draft-cheshire-dnssd-roadmap-01.txt >> =09Pages : 19 >> =09Date : 2018-03-21 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> Over the course of several years, a rich collection of technologies >> has developed around DNS-Based Service Discovery, described across >> multiple documents. This "Road Map" document gives an overview of >> how these related but separate technologies (and their documents) fit >> together, to facilitate service discovery in various environments. >>=20 >>=20 >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cheshire-dnssd-roadmap/ >>=20 >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cheshire-dnssd-roadmap-01 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-cheshire-dnssd-roadmap-01 >>=20 >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-cheshire-dnssd-roadmap-01 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submis= sion >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> I-D-Announce mailing list >> I-D-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >> Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dnssd mailing list > dnssd@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnssd >=20 From nobody Wed Apr 4 01:11:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2952124205 for ; 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charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dnssd] WG Adoption call: draft-sctl-dnssd-mdns-relay-04 - confirmed X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 08:11:47 -0000 Hi, There have been no further comments, so this draft is now adopted as a WG d= raft as agreed in the London meeting. Stuart/Ted, please submit a new draft-uetf-dnssd-mdns-relay-00 version when= you're ready. Best wishes, Tim=20 > On 22 Mar 2018, at 17:11, Tim Chown wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > In the dnssd WG meeting today we agreed adoption of draft-sctl-dnssd-mdns= -relay-04 (see below) as a WG item subject to confirmation on the list. >=20 > If you were not at the meeting, please indicate support or any objection = to the adoption by Thursday 29th March. >=20 > Ted's slides from today's discussion can be found at https://datatracker.= ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-dnssd-dns-sd-discovery-relay-01 >=20 > Tim=20 >=20 >> On 21 Mar 2018, at 19:52, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direc= tories. >>=20 >>=20 >> Title : Multicast DNS Discovery Relay >> Authors : Stuart Cheshire >> Ted Lemon >> =09Filename : draft-sctl-dnssd-mdns-relay-04.txt >> =09Pages : 20 >> =09Date : 2018-03-21 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> This document extends the specification of the Discovery Proxy for >> Multicast DNS-Based Service Discovery. It describes a lightweight >> relay mechanism, a Discovery Relay, which allows Discovery Proxies to >> provide service on multicast links to which they are not directly >> attached. >>=20 >>=20 >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sctl-dnssd-mdns-relay/ >>=20 >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sctl-dnssd-mdns-relay-04 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-sctl-dnssd-mdns-relay-04 >>=20 >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-sctl-dnssd-mdns-relay-04 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submis= sion >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> I-D-Announce mailing list >> I-D-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >> Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dnssd mailing list > dnssd@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnssd >=20 From nobody Wed Apr 4 01:14:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietf.org Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1161201FA; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 01:13:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.77.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152282963956.23981.1929971046434862076.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 01:13:59 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [dnssd] The DNSSD WG has placed draft-cheshire-dnssd-roadmap in state "Adopted by a WG" X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 08:14:00 -0000 The DNSSD WG has placed draft-cheshire-dnssd-roadmap in state Adopted by a WG (entered by Tim Chown) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-cheshire-dnssd-roadmap/ Comment: Adopted as agreed at IETF101 and on the dnssd list. New IETF -00 version requested. From nobody Wed Apr 4 01:14:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietf.org Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46730126BF3; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 01:14:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.77.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152282969028.24047.10477112598383087072.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 01:14:50 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [dnssd] The DNSSD WG has placed draft-sctl-dnssd-mdns-relay in state "Adopted by a WG" X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 08:14:50 -0000 The DNSSD WG has placed draft-sctl-dnssd-mdns-relay in state Adopted by a WG (entered by Tim Chown) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sctl-dnssd-mdns-relay/ Comment: Adopted as agreed at IETF101 and on the dnssd list. New IETF -00 version requested. 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[24.60.163.103]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h23sm4065670qke.33.2018.04.04.06.28.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Apr 2018 06:28:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Ted Lemon Message-Id: <503FD6AB-4A21-4FEF-BCF1-22095FD6E692@fugue.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F42A5F52-7348-4E32-95BF-69B227353C10" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 09:28:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <71577FDE-5840-45A0-8CA1-797F2709F12F@jisc.ac.uk> Cc: "dnssd@ietf.org" , David Schinazi , Ted Lemon , Stuart Cheshire To: Tim Chown References: <152166197761.21207.125081055720989702@ietfa.amsl.com> <71577FDE-5840-45A0-8CA1-797F2709F12F@jisc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dnssd] WG Adoption call: draft-sctl-dnssd-mdns-relay-04 - confirmed X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2018 13:28:09 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F42A5F52-7348-4E32-95BF-69B227353C10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 4, 2018, at 4:11 AM, Tim Chown wrote: > Stuart/Ted, please submit a new draft-uetf-dnssd-mdns-relay-00 version = when you're ready. I, for one, welcome our new Unternet Engineering Task Force overlords... Will do, thanks! --Apple-Mail=_F42A5F52-7348-4E32-95BF-69B227353C10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii On = Apr 4, 2018, at 4:11 AM, Tim Chown <Tim.Chown@jisc.ac.uk> wrote:
Stuart/Ted, please submit a new = draft-uetf-dnssd-mdns-relay-00 version when you're ready.

I, for one, welcome our new Unternet Engineering Task Force = overlords...

Will do, thanks!

= --Apple-Mail=_F42A5F52-7348-4E32-95BF-69B227353C10-- From nobody Thu Apr 12 14:12:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4C412DA12; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:12:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gbqi4L0wuega; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prometheus.amsuess.com (alt.prometheus.amsuess.com [IPv6:2a01:4f8:190:3064::3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EC5212D941; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (unknown [IPv6:2a02:b18:c13b:8010:a800:ff:fede:b1bd]) by prometheus.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D357F49784; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 23:12:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (hermes.amsuess.com [10.13.13.254]) by poseidon-mailhub.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC62B17C; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 23:12:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hephaistos.amsuess.com (hephaistos.amsuess.com [IPv6:2a02:b18:c13b:8010::db8]) by poseidon-mailbox.amsuess.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B73641; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 23:12:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 5265 invoked by uid 1000); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:12:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 23:12:00 +0200 From: Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ams=FCss?= To: Core WG mailing list Cc: DNSSD WG mailing list , Ivaylo Petrov , Jim Schaad , Hauke Petersen Message-ID: <20180412211159.GB20765@hephaistos.amsuess.com> References: <20180322144452.GA13008@hephaistos.amsuess.com> <20180322150452.GA17015@hephaistos.amsuess.com> <20180403082122.GA30478@hephaistos.amsuess.com> <20180411103951.GC14388@hephaistos.amsuess.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180411103951.GC14388@hephaistos.amsuess.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) Archived-At: Subject: [dnssd] Report on first Resource Directory plugtest X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:12:08 -0000 --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, we have had a successful plug test in two sessions on Tuesday with a total of 4 implementors[1], 3 resource directories and 7 endpoints (counting full and simple endpoints independently), thereof 2 (one full endpoint, one simple endpoint) on embedded (class C2) systems. Most endpoints could register right away once configured properly, and be looked up by other parties. Issues we encountered were: * Problems from lower layers[2] * Various implementation bugs (programming errors, non-intuitive configuration) Most of these could be fixed ad-hoc by the participants. * Incomplete implementations of RD functionality * Lookup: One server has not yet implemented support for arbitrary registration attributes at the lookup side, and only supports querying for known parameters without wildcards; this was a known limitation of this work-in-progress implementation. * Lookup: The requirements of -13 to have absolute references in both the href and anchor of resource lookup has only been implemented on one server. This was probably due to authors having carried over the behavior from earlier draft versions. * Discovery: The embedded endpoint implementation did not implement the discovery step but needed to be configured with a full registration URI. * Only little unclear parts in the current RD draft * May a con=3D argument be present in a simple registration? (Probably not, though this precludes simple registration over TCP). * Can there be a Location-Query option in a registration response? (Probably not, we just didn't say that.) * Can a con=3D have query parameters? (Certainly not intended, it just didn't even occur to anyone before.) Those parts are being fed into the process of refinding the resource-directory document, in parallel to the other input we've been receiving. All tested endpoints could register on the servers they were tested against[3]. Endpoints for full registration did registration, updates and removal of registrations (where supported; some endpoints (esp. the embedded one) chose not to implement updates or removal). We found the resources advertised by the endpoints in the resource looup interfaces using the supported media types (application/link-format for all involved, +cbor and +json where supported). One of the registering endpoints has not seen any updates since at least -11; that did not impede its ability to register. All things considered, we regard these first tests as successful. Topics we would like to explore in a future second round of this plug test: * see whether all participants can implent their missing features (esp., see how well full URI discovery works from embedded systems) * extensions to the RD (RD-DNS-SD, distributed RDs) * groups (those are only supported by one implementation so far) * actually accessing the advertised resources Best regards Christian --=20 Ceterum censeo RFC6690 esse revidendam. [1]: Test participants were Jim Schaad, Ivaylo Petrov (with ackl.io's resource directory), Hauke Petersen (with endpoints implemented on RIOT) and Christian Ams=FCss (with aiocoap) [2]: In detail, those were: * Production and parsing of invalid RFC6690 (which link attributes need to be quoted, trailing commas, parsers expecting a '=3D' after 'obs') * Errors on CoAP level (NON vs. ACK, Accept ignored) * URIs needing explicit port values * Incompatible TLS implementations (two participants have basic support for CoAP over TLS, but with disjoint authentication options) * Routing / name resolution problems Those problems were understood (with the help of the respective specifications, where needed), and are worked on by the authors. I've seen a similar class of issues during the OSCORE plug tests. We might consider collaborating on building a test suite for some of those so that future implementors can self-test their ground work during development. [3]: Not all were tested against all due to a timezone mismatch that caused the test to be split in two sessions. --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEECM1tElX6OodcH7CWOY0REtOkveEFAlrPy5cACgkQOY0REtOk veFP5w//b9h8l1jHh3y5gv+OTjf1aAG8Dsdd7sKKpwdPlexKmoTa1L53OcOCDvjB F8EtchN7hifkN207RxcIJpK1IxhrKpNShQY0OfwPgcNkNxLPASILngaOyGn9aLWH RaiYVz3thtki7xFUNj1fep2134V5h6kwz+KhyGZObp7y/oa3aiSTOXxSz6/RR5ue 50hIfRyGro/Oy46d2Es4o1fIGKHGVtnHbg6Zl9/w9+xga1ilDOBqw3QfihZRVFkX DtasA8rlL53R5UWVaofEqKmd0Q5w/ceW+6sYRsXzkgf+jf7eaeguXlREEkopyWU9 TkCRpfT7KUrmCR3iNEUkvWdpTe9MEpllKBK+XO6cjYM0ulfWeonAJOTUeBPfiMDr 63Mam3Z88a0/k3VLMmDDfM28O0MBVWKb6OihFoTDoKEeXJS+BmeQxFI/ZDvyJSeC 0aal0iD/bOss3gRagwGIKznk33bWfUZKNjTatzBseEAUSKLplbm/3gU5WXoPTgtb z6QzNhovSPqWjTd1J3EFzdZj5UZdb4bAzWPnqAZwat1sfjDMAO+iAFxw6m6fJram 6Hv+v85ydoWmjp1w+KAHgBmkTbNKQE3jiIBT1PFFL9Yf/dffsyvElvXVW67nmNVC bRtZ9uFZCK76vGNI3qDDzuEKvc5VOoyiFF0ZPnyFisCkfp1iugw= =3xV2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --61jdw2sOBCFtR2d/-- From nobody Fri Apr 13 00:04:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2636F127058; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 00:04:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iDvaHbrHHhMd; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 00:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud9.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud9.xs4all.net [194.109.24.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27BAA126D45; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 00:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl ([IPv6:2001:888:0:22:194:109:20:204]) by smtp-cloud9.xs4all.net with ESMTPA id 6sl7f2MyELWCh6sl7fuH8v; Fri, 13 Apr 2018 09:04:34 +0200 Received: from 2001:983:a264:1:5054:a506:ff38:f4d9 by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Fri, 13 Apr 2018 09:04:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 09:04:33 +0200 From: peter van der Stok To: =?UTF-8?Q?Christian_Ams=C3=BCss?= Cc: Core WG mailing list , DNSSD WG mailing list Organization: vanderstok consultancy Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: <20180412211159.GB20765@hephaistos.amsuess.com> References: <20180322144452.GA13008@hephaistos.amsuess.com> <20180322150452.GA17015@hephaistos.amsuess.com> <20180403082122.GA30478@hephaistos.amsuess.com> <20180411103951.GC14388@hephaistos.amsuess.com> <20180412211159.GB20765@hephaistos.amsuess.com> Message-ID: <04f1581cff70df7435428bffc5ef0755@xs4all.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfII8k773Ntga9b+7HCfDvobgG9z7v0QYmKQuuDxkomcAucNa2juGJRolelgWgb9x6/+w4dQPakNHC0LAxrvhsQWbZsl2+qaoVI6o5uTsYw+DVMAVOvzE HOgO2MQ6bMA4XvyheSC0LvAD+6IqCoPMPLShNzIwa8f2gz9XEGvGEsPYqhDxwoq/uF27cXYAadlxRxfxXXr12v3EBx+B7I0Q0N73LXuwmqoyuswg30wWn82V W1dvfsCwYw+40YU+mb+nBQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dnssd] [core] Report on first Resource Directory plugtest X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 07:04:40 -0000 Hi Christian, thanks for this very useful work Some questions/ remarks below. > * Only little unclear parts in the current RD draft > > * May a con= argument be present in a simple registration? (Probably > not, though this precludes simple registration over TCP). certainly not; it beats the purpose. We may add text in RD to address the TCP part. > > * Can there be a Location-Query option in a registration response? > (Probably not, we just didn't say that.) to what purpose? > > * Can a con= have query parameters? (Certainly not intended, it just > didn't even occur to anyone before.) It states explicitly that it is a scheme//authority string, no query parameters possible; The simplicity helps to specify an already complex subject > > Those parts are being fed into the process of refining the > resource-directory document, in parallel to the other input we've > been > receiving. to be filled into the github, I hope. > From nobody Thu Apr 19 09:13:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietf.org Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09C0126E64; Thu, 19 Apr 2018 09:13:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dnssd@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.78.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152415441482.28712.11639643361016945400@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 09:13:34 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [dnssd] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnssd-privacy-04.txt X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 16:13:35 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Extensions for Scalable DNS Service Discovery WG of the IETF. Title : Privacy Extensions for DNS-SD Authors : Christian Huitema Daniel Kaiser Filename : draft-ietf-dnssd-privacy-04.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2018-04-19 Abstract: DNS-SD (DNS Service Discovery) normally discloses information about both the devices offering services and the devices requesting services. This information includes host names, network parameters, and possibly a further description of the corresponding service instance. Especially when mobile devices engage in DNS Service Discovery over Multicast DNS at a public hotspot, a serious privacy problem arises. We propose to solve this problem by a two-stage approach. In the first stage, hosts discover Private Discovery Service Instances via DNS-SD using special formats to protect their privacy. These service instances correspond to Private Discovery Servers running on peers. In the second stage, hosts directly query these Private Discovery Servers via DNS-SD over TLS. A pairwise shared secret necessary to establish these connections is only known to hosts authorized by a pairing system. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnssd-privacy/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnssd-privacy-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dnssd-privacy-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dnssd-privacy-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Apr 21 09:34:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietf.org Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D5F12D574; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 09:33:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dnssd@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.78.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152432842490.20660.9364259339005838707@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 09:33:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [dnssd] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnssd-pairing-info-01.txt X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 16:33:45 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Extensions for Scalable DNS Service Discovery WG of the IETF. Title : Device Pairing Design Issues Authors : Daniel Kaiser Christian Huitema Filename : draft-ietf-dnssd-pairing-info-01.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2018-04-21 Abstract: This document discusses issues and problems occuring in the design of device pairing mechanism. It presents experience with existing pairing systems and general user interaction requirements to make the case for "short authentication strings". It then reviews the design of cryptographic algorithms designed to maximise the robustness of the short authentication string mechanisms, as well as implementation considerations such as integration with TLS. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnssd-pairing-info/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnssd-pairing-info-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dnssd-pairing-info-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dnssd-pairing-info-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Apr 21 10:38:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietf.org Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAF2120227; Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:38:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dnssd@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.78.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152433228503.20524.17169886175482539993@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:38:05 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [dnssd] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnssd-pairing-04.txt X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 17:38:05 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Extensions for Scalable DNS Service Discovery WG of the IETF. Title : Device Pairing Using Short Authentication Strings Authors : Christian Huitema Daniel Kaiser Filename : draft-ietf-dnssd-pairing-04.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2018-04-21 Abstract: This document proposes a device pairing mechanism that establishes a relation between two devices by agreeing on a secret and manually verifying the secret's authenticity using an SAS (short authentication string). Pairing has to be performed only once per pair of devices, as for a re-discovery at any later point in time, the exchanged secret can be used for mutual authentication. The proposed pairing method is suited for each application area where human operated devices need to establish a relation that allows configurationless and privacy preserving re-discovery at any later point in time. Since privacy preserving applications are the main suitors, we especially care about privacy. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnssd-pairing/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnssd-pairing-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dnssd-pairing-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dnssd-pairing-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/