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X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 02:20:17 -0000 Hi DNSSD WG, If you have agenda items for a dnssd session during IETF 108, please let me= and David know. If we here nothing but crickets, we won't schedule a session. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2020 19:13:05 -0000 --000000000000e6a6e805a7976509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for your reply, Ted. The chairs have not received any objections at this time, so we are moving forward with Stuart's proposed change. Stuart, please proceed with publication. Thanks, David On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 5:38 PM Ted Lemon wrote: > I am okay with this change. (This is actually the first time I=E2=80=99v= e seen > it, although I did make that suggestion to Stuart, as he reported.:) > > > On May 28, 2020, at 8:32 PM, David Schinazi > wrote: > > Thanks for the update, Stuart! > > I have reviewed the change that Stuart proposes, and I personally > believe that it is positive and editorial; in other words, I do think thi= s > change improves the document, and I do not think that this change > impacts any normative requirements in the document. > > Therefore, I believe that this change does not go against any > previously established working group consensus, and is acceptable > at this stage in the process. > > However, as chair, I would like working group members to confirm > my personal opinion. Please review the change and respond here > stating whether you believe that the change is positive and > editorial (as defined above). > > The chairs will collect responses for ten days, and then proceed with > publication on 2020-06-08 if no objections arise. > > Thanks, > David > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 10:07 PM Stuart Cheshire 40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > >> We are wrapping up AUTH48 for DNS Push Notifications and Discovery Proxy= . >> >> In doing my AUTH48 reviews, I read RFC 8499 (DNS Terminology) to make >> sure I was using DNS terminology correctly. I noticed RFC 8499 criticize= s >> RFC 5731 (EPP Domain Name Mapping) for introducing the terms =E2=80=9Csu= bordinate=E2=80=9D >> and =E2=80=9Csuperordinate=E2=80=9D but defining them by example rather = than defining them >> explicitly. I realized that the Discovery Proxy RFC text was guilty of t= he >> same thing. >> >> Various important Discovery Proxy data translations are illustrated by >> example in different places in the document, and only mentioned obliquel= y >> in the =E2=80=9CData Translation=E2=80=9D section. In draft-ietf-dnssd-h= ybrid-10..txt, >> Section 5.5 begins with the following text: >> >> 5.5. Data Translation >> >> Generating the appropriate Multicast DNS queries involves, >> at the very least, translating from the configured DNS domain >> (e.g., "Building 1.example.com") on the Unicast DNS side to "local" >> on the Multicast DNS side. >> >> Generating the appropriate Unicast DNS responses involves translating >> back from "local" to the appropriate configured DNS Unicast domain. >> >> Other beneficial translation and filtering operations are described >> below. >> >> ..... >> >> The three uses of the word =E2=80=9Cappropriate=E2=80=9D there encompass= quite a lot! The >> descriptions of the necessary translations are scattered elsewhere in th= e >> document, sometimes explicitly, sometimes only by example. The informati= on >> is there, but you have to read the document attentively to get it all. >> Others who worked on implementations, like Ted Lemon and Tom Pusateri, w= ere >> clear on what =E2=80=9Cappropriate=E2=80=9D meant because they were acti= vely involved with >> the working group throughout. Talking more recently with other >> implementers, it has become painfully clear that it is not obvious to >> everyone. >> >> Following a suggestion from Ted Lemon, I have pulled from examples that >> are scattered elsewhere throughout the document, and used them to craft = a >> clearer summary description in this section. Without this new text I fea= r >> there is a risk of different implementers making different assumptions, >> yielding interoperability problems that have to be found and fixed throu= gh >> painful testing and debugging. >> >> The more thorough text for this section is attached, both in plain text >> and HTML form. (I recommend the HTML version because it has the example >> text nicely formatted in a different font.) >> >> Please take a look and check that this new text correctly captures the >> intent of the document and protocol. >> >> Stuart Cheshire >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dnssd mailing list >> dnssd@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnssd >> > _______________________________________________ > dnssd mailing list > dnssd@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnssd > > > --000000000000e6a6e805a7976509 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you for your reply, Ted.

The chai= rs have not received any objections at this time,
so we are movin= g forward with Stuart's proposed change.

Stuart,= please proceed with publication.

Thanks,
David

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 5:38 PM Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
I am okay with this change. =C2=A0(This is actually the first time= I=E2=80=99ve seen it, although I did make that suggestion to Stuart, as he= reported.:)


On May 28, 202= 0, at 8:32 PM, David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

=
Thanks for the update, Stuart!

I have r= eviewed the change that Stuart proposes, and I personally
believe= that it is positive and editorial; in other words, I do think this
change improves the document, and I do not think that this change
<= div>impacts any normative requirements in the document.

Therefore, I believe that this change does not go against any
previously established working group consensus, and is acceptable
<= div>at this stage in the process.

However, as chai= r, I would like working group members=C2=A0to confirm
my personal= =C2=A0opinion. Please review the change and respond here
stating = whether you believe that the change is positive and
editorial (as= defined above).

The=C2=A0chairs will collect resp= onses for ten days, and then proceed=C2=A0with
publication on 202= 0-06-08 if no objections arise.

Thanks,
= David

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 10:07 PM Stuart Cheshire <cheshire=3D= 40apple.com= @dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
We are wrapping up AUTH48 for DNS Push Notifications and Dis= covery Proxy.

In doing my AUTH48 reviews, I read RFC 8499 (DNS Terminology) to make sure = I was using DNS terminology correctly. I noticed RFC 8499 criticizes RFC 57= 31 (EPP Domain Name Mapping) for introducing the terms =E2=80=9Csubordinate= =E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Csuperordinate=E2=80=9D but defining them by example = rather than defining them explicitly. I realized that the Discovery Proxy R= FC text was guilty of the same thing.

Various important Discovery Proxy data translations are illustrated by exam= ple in different places in the document, and only mentioned obliquely in th= e =E2=80=9CData Translation=E2=80=9D section. In draft-ietf-dnssd-hybrid-10= ..txt, Section 5.5 begins with the following text:

5.5.=C2=A0 Data Translation

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Generating the appropriate Multicast DNS queries involves,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0at the very least, translating from the configured DNS domain<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0(e.g., "Building 1.example.com") on the Unicast DNS = side to "local"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0on the Multicast DNS side.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Generating the appropriate Unicast DNS responses involves tran= slating
=C2=A0 =C2=A0back from "local" to the appropriate configured DNS = Unicast domain.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Other beneficial translation and filtering operations are desc= ribed
=C2=A0 =C2=A0below.

.....

The three uses of the word =E2=80=9Cappropriate=E2=80=9D there encompass qu= ite a lot! The descriptions of the necessary translations are scattered els= ewhere in the document, sometimes explicitly, sometimes only by example. Th= e information is there, but you have to read the document attentively to ge= t it all. Others who worked on implementations, like Ted Lemon and Tom Pusa= teri, were clear on what =E2=80=9Cappropriate=E2=80=9D meant because they w= ere actively involved with the working group throughout. Talking more recen= tly with other implementers, it has become painfully clear that it is not o= bvious to everyone.

Following a suggestion from Ted Lemon, I have pulled from examples that are= scattered elsewhere throughout the document, and used them to craft a clea= rer summary description in this section. Without this new text I fear there= is a risk of different implementers making different assumptions, yielding= interoperability problems that have to be found and fixed through painful = testing and debugging.

The more thorough text for this section is attached, both in plain text and= HTML form. (I recommend the HTML version because it has the example text n= icely formatted in a different font.)

Please take a look and check that this new text correctly captures the inte= nt of the document and protocol.

Stuart Cheshire

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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bangj.com; s=201907; t=1591718984; bh=Z3qsNy4a6hX4SeHTSXOkJ6O0JIMPtZLyp5HxRSHeNX8=; h=From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:From; b=PsPsqTUkGw8wJn+wK6H2p3HzfVZvQ3hXiugfYT8WHXqEeB5E/kK4kJOrtWPCQ1fSK NvTLqBBZicOu8OSCjVg0Z2lNOGrsOhHI1aidw0bpijUH5X3HhJ+B84WQq7wZCaW0oc Ik4Gddp6erVhPreedJQoI66kfSuEWCUc72tJ5CKvF+7YT9ZnKIKSYDShCSB8z/oGMM FgZsEFXANF3oPl6dgUZ+3qZjIggIijX8R7u0xNmQ+XTcEbeDGVA/et6uIGUhStelBx QP7Z5/jN639oVf3w6qZ9IdtOVMw/s0rvuBZBFoo0IaAtcBXoQ1t5S0b5bZ2j1QlcXG XNjoby+k1FH7w== From: Tom Pusateri Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_90576A8F-CA1E-4576-A19B-7D1B72301507" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 12:09:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: Ted Lemon , Stuart Cheshire , "dnssd@ietf.org" To: David Schinazi References: <5506A068-55D3-4D47-9B37-9AE9AC44CF47@apple.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [dnssd] Impending Publication of Discovery Proxy RFC X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 16:09:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_90576A8F-CA1E-4576-A19B-7D1B72301507 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Better late than never, I have reviewed this change as well and think it = is beneficial. In my implementation, all of the records learned via mDNS were put in a = tree for the interface with the domain suffix (.local) stripped in both = the owner name and the RDATA. When a response for a unicast query was = constructed, the appropriate domain name suffix was added to the owner = name and relevant RDATA names. There never seemed like any point in = storing .local anywhere. However, explaining this in more detail is good for completeness. Thanks, Tom > On Jun 8, 2020, at 3:12 PM, David Schinazi = wrote: >=20 > Thank you for your reply, Ted. >=20 > The chairs have not received any objections at this time, > so we are moving forward with Stuart's proposed change. >=20 > Stuart, please proceed with publication. >=20 > Thanks, > David >=20 > On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 5:38 PM Ted Lemon > wrote: > I am okay with this change. (This is actually the first time I=E2=80=99= ve seen it, although I did make that suggestion to Stuart, as he = reported.:) >=20 >=20 >> On May 28, 2020, at 8:32 PM, David Schinazi > wrote: >>=20 >> Thanks for the update, Stuart! >>=20 >> I have reviewed the change that Stuart proposes, and I personally >> believe that it is positive and editorial; in other words, I do think = this >> change improves the document, and I do not think that this change >> impacts any normative requirements in the document. >>=20 >> Therefore, I believe that this change does not go against any >> previously established working group consensus, and is acceptable >> at this stage in the process. >>=20 >> However, as chair, I would like working group members to confirm >> my personal opinion. Please review the change and respond here >> stating whether you believe that the change is positive and >> editorial (as defined above). >>=20 >> The chairs will collect responses for ten days, and then proceed with >> publication on 2020-06-08 if no objections arise. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> David >>=20 >> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 10:07 PM Stuart Cheshire = > wrote: >> We are wrapping up AUTH48 for DNS Push Notifications and Discovery = Proxy. >>=20 >> In doing my AUTH48 reviews, I read RFC 8499 (DNS Terminology) to make = sure I was using DNS terminology correctly. I noticed RFC 8499 = criticizes RFC 5731 (EPP Domain Name Mapping) for introducing the terms = =E2=80=9Csubordinate=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Csuperordinate=E2=80=9D but = defining them by example rather than defining them explicitly. I = realized that the Discovery Proxy RFC text was guilty of the same thing. >>=20 >> Various important Discovery Proxy data translations are illustrated = by example in different places in the document, and only mentioned = obliquely in the =E2=80=9CData Translation=E2=80=9D section. In = draft-ietf-dnssd-hybrid-10...txt, Section 5.5 begins with the following = text: >>=20 >> 5.5. Data Translation >>=20 >> Generating the appropriate Multicast DNS queries involves, >> at the very least, translating from the configured DNS domain >> (e.g., "Building 1.example.com ") on the = Unicast DNS side to "local" >> on the Multicast DNS side. >>=20 >> Generating the appropriate Unicast DNS responses involves = translating >> back from "local" to the appropriate configured DNS Unicast = domain. >>=20 >> Other beneficial translation and filtering operations are = described >> below. >>=20 >> ...... >>=20 >> The three uses of the word =E2=80=9Cappropriate=E2=80=9D there = encompass quite a lot! The descriptions of the necessary translations = are scattered elsewhere in the document, sometimes explicitly, sometimes = only by example. The information is there, but you have to read the = document attentively to get it all. Others who worked on = implementations, like Ted Lemon and Tom Pusateri, were clear on what = =E2=80=9Cappropriate=E2=80=9D meant because they were actively involved = with the working group throughout. Talking more recently with other = implementers, it has become painfully clear that it is not obvious to = everyone. >>=20 >> Following a suggestion from Ted Lemon, I have pulled from examples = that are scattered elsewhere throughout the document, and used them to = craft a clearer summary description in this section. Without this new = text I fear there is a risk of different implementers making different = assumptions, yielding interoperability problems that have to be found = and fixed through painful testing and debugging. >>=20 >> The more thorough text for this section is attached, both in plain = text and HTML form. (I recommend the HTML version because it has the = example text nicely formatted in a different font.) >>=20 >> Please take a look and check that this new text correctly captures = the intent of the document and protocol. >>=20 >> Stuart Cheshire >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dnssd mailing list >> dnssd@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnssd = >> _______________________________________________ >> dnssd mailing list >> dnssd@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnssd = >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dnssd mailing list > dnssd@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnssd --Apple-Mail=_90576A8F-CA1E-4576-A19B-7D1B72301507 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Better late than never, I have reviewed this change as well = and think it is beneficial.

In my implementation, all of the records learned via mDNS = were put in a tree for the interface with the domain suffix (.local) = stripped in both the owner name and the RDATA. When a response for a = unicast query was constructed, the appropriate domain name suffix was = added to the owner name and relevant RDATA names. There never seemed = like any point in storing .local anywhere.

However, explaining this in more detail = is good for completeness.

Thanks,
Tom


On Jun 8, 2020, at 3:12 PM, David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you for your reply, Ted.

The chairs have not received any = objections at this time,
so we are moving forward = with Stuart's proposed change.

Stuart, please proceed with = publication.

Thanks,
David

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 5:38 PM Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> = wrote:
I am okay with this change.  (This is = actually the first time I=E2=80=99ve seen it, although I did make that = suggestion to Stuart, as he reported.:)


On May 28, 2020, at 8:32 PM, David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the = update, Stuart!

I = have reviewed the change that Stuart proposes, and I = personally
believe that it is positive and = editorial; in other words, I do think this
change = improves the document, and I do not think that this change
impacts any normative requirements in the document.

Therefore, I believe = that this change does not go against any
previously = established working group consensus, and is acceptable
at this stage in the process.

However, as chair, I would like working = group members to confirm
my = personal opinion. Please review the change and respond = here
stating whether you believe that the change is = positive and
editorial (as defined = above).

The chairs will collect responses for ten days, and then = proceed with
publication on 2020-06-08 if no = objections arise.

Thanks,
David

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 10:07 PM Stuart Cheshire = <cheshire=3D40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:
We are wrapping up AUTH48 for DNS = Push Notifications and Discovery Proxy.

In doing my AUTH48 reviews, I read RFC 8499 (DNS Terminology) to make = sure I was using DNS terminology correctly. I noticed RFC 8499 = criticizes RFC 5731 (EPP Domain Name Mapping) for introducing the terms = =E2=80=9Csubordinate=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Csuperordinate=E2=80=9D but = defining them by example rather than defining them explicitly. I = realized that the Discovery Proxy RFC text was guilty of the same = thing.

Various important Discovery Proxy data translations are illustrated by = example in different places in the document, and only mentioned = obliquely in the =E2=80=9CData Translation=E2=80=9D section. In = draft-ietf-dnssd-hybrid-10...txt, Section 5.5 begins with the following = text:

5.5.  Data Translation

   Generating the appropriate Multicast DNS queries = involves,
   at the very least, translating from the configured DNS = domain
   (e.g., "Building 1.example.com") on = the Unicast DNS side to "local"
   on the Multicast DNS side.

   Generating the appropriate Unicast DNS responses involves = translating
   back from "local" to the appropriate configured DNS Unicast = domain.

   Other beneficial translation and filtering operations are = described
   below.

......

The three uses of the word =E2=80=9Cappropriate=E2=80=9D there encompass = quite a lot! The descriptions of the necessary translations are = scattered elsewhere in the document, sometimes explicitly, sometimes = only by example. The information is there, but you have to read the = document attentively to get it all. Others who worked on = implementations, like Ted Lemon and Tom Pusateri, were clear on what = =E2=80=9Cappropriate=E2=80=9D meant because they were actively involved = with the working group throughout. Talking more recently with other = implementers, it has become painfully clear that it is not obvious to = everyone.

Following a suggestion from Ted Lemon, I have pulled from examples that = are scattered elsewhere throughout the document, and used them to craft = a clearer summary description in this section. Without this new text I = fear there is a risk of different implementers making different = assumptions, yielding interoperability problems that have to be found = and fixed through painful testing and debugging.

The more thorough text for this section is attached, both in plain text = and HTML form. (I recommend the HTML version because it has the example = text nicely formatted in a different font.)

Please take a look and check that this new text correctly captures the = intent of the document and protocol.

Stuart Cheshire

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= --Apple-Mail=_90576A8F-CA1E-4576-A19B-7D1B72301507-- From nobody Fri Jun 12 08:02:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietf.org Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8D63A0A22; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 08:02:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: bs7652@att.com, dnssd-chairs@ietf.org, evyncke@cisco.com, dnssd@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <159197415605.32180.6218313389092368860@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 08:02:36 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [dnssd] dnssd - Not having a session at IETF 108 X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." 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From nobody Mon Jun 22 21:30:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dnssd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC2A3A1739; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 21:29:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f3g_quP0cUJZ; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 21:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF31C3A1796; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 21:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 27D0AF407A2; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 21:29:12 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, drafts-update-ref@iana.org, dnssd@ietf.org Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20200623042912.27D0AF407A2@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 21:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [dnssd] =?utf-8?q?RFC_8765_on_DNS_Push_Notifications?= X-BeenThere: dnssd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of extensions to DNS-based service discovery for routed networks." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 04:30:04 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8765 Title: DNS Push Notifications Author: T. Pusateri, S. Cheshire Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: June 2020 Mailbox: pusateri@bangj.com, cheshire@apple.com Pages: 32 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-dnssd-push-25.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8765 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8765 The Domain Name System (DNS) was designed to return matching records efficiently for queries for data that are relatively static. When those records change frequently, DNS is still efficient at returning the updated results when polled, as long as the polling rate is not too high. But, there exists no mechanism for a client to be asynchronously notified when these changes occur. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 04:30:28 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8766 Title: Discovery Proxy for Multicast DNS-Based Service Discovery Author: S. Cheshire Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: June 2020 Mailbox: cheshire@apple.com Pages: 33 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-dnssd-hybrid-10.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8766 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8766 This document specifies a network proxy that uses Multicast DNS to automatically populate the wide-area unicast Domain Name System namespace with records describing devices and services found on the local link. This document is a product of the Extensions for Scalable DNS Service Discovery Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. 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