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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Preliminary IETF 98 agenda and related preparation X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 14:35:01 -0000 Hi Ehud! We don't have the room availability this early yet. Ideally, we will try f= or as early in the week as possible starting on Monday. More to follow ... Roman > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ehud Doron > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 2:38 AM > To: Roman Danyliw ; dots@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Dots] Preliminary IETF 98 agenda and related preparation >=20 > Roman Hi >=20 > Thanks for the update. > Do you have any estimation for the day the other DOTS meetings (design > team and other) are planned to be held? > Kindly, it can be a great help to get this info in order to finalize my = flights. >=20 > I would prefer to have these meetings no later than Wednesday. >=20 > Thanks, Ehud >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Roman D. Danyliw > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:35 PM > To: dots@ietf.org > Subject: [Dots] Preliminary IETF 98 agenda and related preparation >=20 > Hello WG! >=20 > The preliminary agenda for IETF 98 has been published at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/98/agenda.txt. DOTS is tentatively > scheduled for: >=20 > TUESDAY, March 28, 2017 > 1640-1840 Afternoon Session III > Zurich G SEC dots DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG >=20 > Please keep in mind that the final agenda won't be published until 2017-= 03- > 03 (Friday). >=20 > The Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts, including -00) for= this > meeting will be on 2017-03-13 (Monday) UTC 23:59. >=20 > If you are interested in presenting please send your requests to the chai= rs. >=20 > Roman >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Fri Mar 3 10:39:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6DF1295A5 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 10:39:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.143 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.143 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=fastly.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NsEtwuQQnti9 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 10:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf0-x231.google.com (mail-lf0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDE91129599 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 10:39:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf0-x231.google.com with SMTP id y193so51029458lfd.3 for ; Fri, 03 Mar 2017 10:39:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastly.com; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Tebu8WmW4QHxaXsS4ur9g7lAB/P9NGU9kYMrqE1sQYA=; b=S2WlWGcyJV+QtvUyNXTZJ6vyEUETsxqlyDqrSHWhxXMBgINAi8KSda6XyBzoceMuJ3 6Q9+TAL3n6iqJkUJqwWpWluSaD3OzdOknJUDuUWLfuz1aQcNpO9OA+a1wiMdReodeF7N rjg+I9f3hStD01tC/SPyXTeZ4P6slHnQif42c= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Tebu8WmW4QHxaXsS4ur9g7lAB/P9NGU9kYMrqE1sQYA=; b=f7GWoXvn0/K4smf+iMsRCjBwoiotnAW5AB5hO+zNPsudJwn/Hlj6z0AfUJ7fjCzyZV sdcqZvddFbQQOZpK0SP+5ncoFJUnHpMpTQWV4f7jay3QlabTsJj2ErNTTRAE5r5iCfBW JwL6ucYVLTk77I52hubddQmFHTp2qEkIMKGON16JQkmVLJMcvMS7xrm+4gm5GgHdqpP3 REouqtL4sJwVdQZYyjazjQRst3QRGgdMOy4KaoveSONFF6RgbTjT+H98dHPNDONxBQgZ QH0aYDos1RFE0+Dw6H2sN220shvOH5yrsZXxwgJuFOVUOE41gqpnDuyB9cKCdte/914J P/4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39mwVJzYS9/NYglRWq66AHJlR8bs1KHMXllGXhvdRbYYzIUfMu4fylb2s6uq6GWdG9g1gGtEhwKBSRzsxuS9 X-Received: by 10.25.196.203 with SMTP id u194mr1288041lff.37.1488566344663; Fri, 03 Mar 2017 10:39:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.27.82 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 10:39:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Sandra Escandor-O'Keefe" Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 15:09:04 -0330 Message-ID: To: dots@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114b283032e0440549d7dce9 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] Proof-of-concept for the DOTS protocol X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 18:39:09 -0000 --001a114b283032e0440549d7dce9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello, I've been looking over the DOTS protocol documentation, and have been looking for a way to contribute to this project. I've created a small PoC for it, so that I could understand the protocol better. As the PoC project is in its early stages, I'd like to receive some feedback and suggestions. So far, the PoC currently performs heartbeat processing, and I'm currently working on implementing mitigation request handling. The project can be found at: https://github.com/sescandor/DOTS Thanks for your feedback, and if there's another way that I could also contribute, let me know. -- *Sandra Escandor-O'Keefe* | Security Engineer fastly.com | @fastly | LinkedIn --001a114b283032e0440549d7dce9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

I've been looking over the D= OTS protocol documentation, and have been looking for a way to contribute t= o this project. I've created a small PoC for it, so that I could unders= tand the protocol better. As the PoC project is in its early stages, I'= d like to receive some feedback and suggestions.=C2=A0
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So far, the PoC currently performs heartbeat processing, and I'm= currently working on implementing mitigation request handling. The project= can be found at:=C2=A0https:= //github.com/sescandor/DOTS

Thanks for your fe= edback, and if there's another way that I could also contribute, let me= know.=C2=A0

--


Sandra Escandor-O'Keefe | Security Engineer
fastly.com=C2=A0|=C2=A0@fastly=C2=A0|=C2=A0LinkedIn
--001a114b283032e0440549d7dce9-- From nobody Fri Mar 3 16:04:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietf.org Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90322129A8D; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 15:55:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.46.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148858534058.15846.6248536442260767179.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 15:55:40 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com, dots@ietf.org Subject: [Dots] dots - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 98 X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 23:55:40 -0000 Dear Roman Danyliw, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. dots Session 1 (2:00:00) Tuesday, Afternoon Session III 1640-1840 Room Name: Zurich G size: 115 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: DDoS Open Threat Signaling Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Roman Danyliw Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mile sacm i2nsf saag Second Priority: opsawg opsarea People who must be present: Kathleen Moriarty Roman Danyliw Tobias Gondrom Resources Requested: Meetecho support in room Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Mar 10 11:04:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D641295B2 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:04:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l0BShnTypCMn for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from plainfield.sei.cmu.edu (plainfield.sei.cmu.edu [192.58.107.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9616E127058 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from pawpaw.sei.cmu.edu (pawpaw.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.22]) by plainfield.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4/1543) with ESMTP id v2AJ4ksc013023; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:04:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cert.org; s=jthatj15xw2j; t=1489172686; bh=zO5of3b5RNXhuouImkeb39Py/5WgPyx5w0FHPqomLyE=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:MIME-Version:Sender:Reply-To:Cc; b=IiNCdaAG3P0ZsYDDFZBhSaeieNUxAhSe8BbFaAyi1LLvKjW1gUKxZkxhLZtycrXPs 923e6bzWIMfzPuFf1IYwyWdIvJ1GjoluPjfDZpyW2xkuVxQZaBgpGjKf+Lervl/JYL kE8BiCJUYQ9WgVyvoMvVq8l40KysWqeqCt8MXaGc= Received: from CASCADE.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cascade.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.248]) by pawpaw.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4/1543) with ESMTP id v2AJ4kI9025446; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:04:46 -0500 Received: from MARATHON.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.250]) by CASCADE.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.248]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:04:45 -0500 From: Roman Danyliw To: "Sandra Escandor-O'Keefe" , "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Dots] Proof-of-concept for the DOTS protocol Thread-Index: AQHSlE19oornncniZE2x8kRsO3q2EaGOcEjg Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 19:04:44 +0000 Message-ID: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F17214@marathon> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.22.6] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F17214marathon_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Proof-of-concept for the DOTS protocol X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:42:13 -0000 On 13 Mar 2017, at 14:37, Zhenghui (Marvin) wrote: > So, we’d like to hear from the WG, is that some pointers can be > given on the next step of the draft, The draft belies a lack of understanding of how current IPFIX capabilities are utilized every day to detect, classify, and traceback DDoS attacks. It makes factually incorrect statements such as 'not suitable for attack detection, and impractical suggestinos such as 'connection sampling' which a) won't work on routers/layer-3 switches of any size and b) are unnecessary. It is suggested that the authors of the draft gain operational experience using existing IPFIX implementations and IPFIX collection/analysis systems in order to fully understand the utility of IPFIX as presently defined as well as the full range of capabilities of IPFIX collection/analysis systems. It would also be a good idea for the authors of the draft to understand the division of labor between IPFIX exporters and IPFIX collectors/analyzers, as well as the capabilities and limitations of hardware-based routing/switching platforms. > We submitted this draft to DOTS because IPFIX WG had been closed It is entirely possible to re-open the IPFIX WG, if it is deemed useful to do so. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 20:26:21 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF. Title : Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) Open Threat Signaling Requirements Authors : Andrew Mortensen Robert Moskowitz Tirumaleswar Reddy Filename : draft-ietf-dots-requirements-04.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2017-03-13 Abstract: This document defines the requirements for the Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) protocols coordinating attack response against DDoS attacks. 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[Dots] Acceptable Signal Loss ? X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 01:43:36 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1FB1BA70125BF86397DE090A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The requirement document says: DM-007: Acceptable Signal Loss Representation: The data model MUST be able to represent the DOTS agent's preference for acceptable signal loss when establishing a signaling session, as described in GEN-002. Can somebody elaborate on this point ? If we assume the signal channel is not reliable to begin with and messages are not acknowledged, then what does this mean ? What will each side do with this, let alone find a way of satisfying it ? For example, will the DOTS server stop any current mitigation if it somehow discovers that the signal loss is now too high ? Thanks -- Flemming --------------1FB1BA70125BF86397DE090A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The requirement document says:

<quote>
   DM-007:  Acceptable Signal Loss Representation: The data model MUST
      be able to represent the DOTS agent's preference for acceptable
      signal loss when establishing a signaling session, as described in
      GEN-002.
</quote>

Can somebody elaborate on this point ? If we assume the signal channel is not reliable to begin with and messages are not acknowledged, then what does this mean ?

What will each side do with this, let alone find a way of satisfying it ? For example, will the DOTS server stop any current mitigation if it somehow discovers that the signal loss is now too high ?

Thanks

-- Flemming 

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X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 02:01:28 -0000 On 14 Mar 2017, at 8:40, Flemming Andreasen wrote: > For example, will the DOTS server stop any current mitigation if it > somehow discovers that the signal loss is now too high ? One would hope not . . . To be pedantic, DOTS servers (within the context of DOTS itself) don't actually stop or start mitigations, per se. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:41:13 -0000 On 14 Mar 2017, at 11:34, Zhenghui (Marvin) wrote: > Basically, we'd like to hear from the WG, about their opinions on this > draft, so we can figure out what to do next. 1. The draft itself is predicted upon invalid assumptions about the capabilities inherent in IPFIX as it stands today. 2. The draft itself is predicated upon invalid assumptions about the capabilities inherent in IPFIX collectors/analyzers today. 3. The draft itself is predicated upon invalid assumptions about the capabilities inherent in IPFIX exporters today and anticipated in the foreseeable future. 4. The draft itself is predicated upon invalid assumptions about the division of labor between IPFIX exporters and IPFIX collectors/analyzers. 5. The best forum for this discussion is within the Operations and Management Area of the IETF. 6. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 02:08:20 -0000 On 15 Mar 2017, at 8:44, Zhenghui (Marvin) wrote: > It'd been more appreciated if you could give some details about your > statements 1 to 4. I've already commented in detail on previous iterations of the draft, both on this list as well as privately to one of the authors of its previous incarnations. Those comments hold true for this one, as well. ----------------------------------- Roland Dobbins From nobody Tue Mar 14 19:12:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47AF1131828 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:12:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QqpobxVcK4bp for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E529129A2F for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DIW75585; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 02:12:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMI414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.86.210.49) by lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.43) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 02:12:36 +0000 Received: from SZXEMI507-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.223]) by SZXEMI414-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.86.210.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:12:32 +0800 From: "Zhenghui (Marvin)" To: Roland Dobbins , "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Dots] draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension revised into draft-fu-dots-ipfix-tcp-tracking Thread-Index: AdKbyycv4ZM58GBcQp6mg2Ssqy0mugAR5PJwABh/KBAABDR/AAAp3MHw//+B2wD//3itYA== Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 02:12:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F19267@marathon> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.87.2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020205.58C8A315.013F, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.8.223, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: dfe222c9357e57c7cf131af75aa580cd Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension revised into draft-fu-dots-ipfix-tcp-tracking X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." 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charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension revised into draft-fu-dots-ipfix-tcp-tracking X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:01:21 -0000 =FDZhenghui, I just took a look at the draft, and the document makes a lot of sense to m= e. The TCP features being measured are important. Clearly these are intended to be collected by stateful devices that do see = both directions of traffic, not generic routers. (Such stateful devices do= exist and are widely deployed.) Perhaps your introduction should use the t= erm "stateful layer4 device" instead of "router" to make your assumptions c= learer. One thing you might look at is whether "TCP" is too specific. Some of these= may apply to QUIC in the near future. For example, have you seen =FDhttps:= //tools.ietf.org/id/draft-trammell-plus-statefulness-02.html ? -Dave Original Message From: Zhenghui (Marvin) Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:57 PM To: Roman Danyliw; dots@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Dots] draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension revised into draft-fu-dot= s-ipfix-tcp-tracking Hi Roman! Thanks for the information. We had been made aware of that. The reason for submitting the draft is that, a) this is a successive work o= f draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension, so we would like to declare it here, befor= e moving to a more suitable place; b) we think DOTS WG's opinions matter to= us, prior to expert review. Best Regards, Zhenghui (Marvin) -----Original Message----- From: Roman Danyliw [mailto:rdd@cert.org] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:50 AM To: Zhenghui (Marvin) ; dots@ietf.org Subject: RE: draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension revised into draft-fu-dots-ipfix= -tcp-tracking Hi Marvin! Thanks for this clarification. Since the draft appears to want to add seven entries to the "IPFIX informat= ion elements" registry [1], have you considered directly asking for the add= itions? The registration process for new IEs is expert review. Roman [1] http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipfix/ipfix.xhtml -----Original Message----- From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhenghui (Marvin) Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 12:35 AM To: Roman Danyliw ; dots@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Dots] draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension revised into draft-fu-dot= s-ipfix-tcp-tracking Hi Roman, We used to believe that IPFIX can serve as a way for DOTS telemetry. However, an impression I've got in the past few weeks following the WG disc= ussion, it is agreed that telemetry is an issue to be postponed. Basically, we'd like to hear from the WG, about their opinions on this draf= t, so we can figure out what to do next. For now, we do not see this draft as strongly mapping to the existing WG ar= chitecture or the protocol requirements. Best Regards, Zhenghui (Marvin) -----Original Message----- From: Roman Danyliw [mailto:rdd@cert.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 12:08 AM To: Zhenghui (Marvin) ; dots@ietf.org Subject: RE: draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension revised into draft-fu-dots-ipfix= -tcp-tracking Hello Marvin! Thanks for sharing this update. > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 3:37 AM > Subject: [Dots] draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension revised into > draft-fu-dots-ipfix-tcp-tracking > [snip] > However, we=92ve realized what our draft intends to do is not what > currently DOTS WG is focusing on. [snip] > We submitted this draft to DOTS because IPFIX WG had been closed, and > DOTS was the best match we found. To confirm, you do not see this draft as mapping to the existing WG archite= cture [1] or the protocol requirements [2] (as in part of a signal or data = channel)? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:38:05 -0000 On 16 Mar 2017, at 18:01, Dave Dolson wrote: > Clearly these are intended to be collected by stateful devices that do > see both directions of traffic, not generic routers. From draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension: 'For a network device, such as a router, to detect anomaly TCP traffics, it has to understand the semantics of TCP operations, more specifically, it has to be able to track TCP connection states. If a router has implemented such ability, it can export characteristics information regarding the TCP connections.' It's pretty clear that the draft authors were in fact explicitly talking about generic routers, which is the source of some (but not all) previously-expressed objections. There are also multiple incorrect statements and implied statements in the draft, which indicate a lack of awareness of the current state of the art in attack detection/classification utilizing existing telemetry capabilities. Furthermore, the amount of state required to try and track the things highlighted in the draft is way more than even a stateful middlebox could handle for even a relatively small amount of traffic. It's a lot more efficient to export the relevant telemetry to a collection/analysis system (which could in fact be an on-board power-sucking-alien general-purpose computer) and do this sort of thing there. Trying to do these calculations and maintain this state in the data-plane is a non-starter at any kind of speed/scale. Again, all this is out of scope for DOTS. It would be more appropriate to talk to the appropriate AD and/or submit these to the registry for review, as Roman indicated. It would be even more appropriate to implement them and see how well they actually work in practice before doing either. ----------------------------------- Roland Dobbins From nobody Thu Mar 16 04:52:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0FB129434 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 04:52:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.796, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=thescout.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sBp2dqrZDjWq for ; 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X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 01:03:55 -0000 On 17 Mar 2017, at 3:47, Roman Danyliw wrote: > Any additional opinions on how to handle the WG requirements and use > case drafts? If we're going to do something different, I'd support Mohamed Boucadair's alternate approach: > * Maintain the requirements draft with its initial scope. > * Abandon the use cases draft. and just focusing on the requirements draft. ----------------------------------- Roland Dobbins From nobody Thu Mar 16 18:40:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9916E12002E for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:40:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tqbmrLBFwkBB for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93051129B9B for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 18:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DJA15540; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 01:39:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMI404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.75.40) by lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.47) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 01:39:56 +0000 Received: from SZXEMI507-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.223]) by SZXEMI404-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.75.40]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:39:52 +0800 From: "Zhenghui (Marvin)" To: Dave Dolson , Roman Danyliw , "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Dots] draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension revised into draft-fu-dots-ipfix-tcp-tracking Thread-Index: AdKbyycv4ZM58GBcQp6mg2Ssqy0mugAR5PJwABh/KBAASgofEAAhESzw///A3YD//oVUQA== Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 01:39:52 +0000 Message-ID: References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F19267@marathon> <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F1C5A1@marathon>, <20170316110115.8499287.34698.143525@sandvine.com> In-Reply-To: <20170316110115.8499287.34698.143525@sandvine.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.87.2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090205.58CB3E6E.00A3, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.8.223, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: dfe222c9357e57c7cf131af75aa580cd Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] draft-fu-dots-ipfix-extension revised into draft-fu-dots-ipfix-tcp-tracking X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 01:57:07 -0000 On 17 Mar 2017, at 8:51, Zhenghui (Marvin) wrote: > We've actually implemented a prototype and hooked it to a domestic > ISP's network in China. I haven't received the performance report > from them yet. So, no detailed information to share with you at the > moment. What speed link(s)? As Dave Dolson indicated, this makes more sense for non-router/-switch middleboxes than for routers/layer-3 switches. The performance and scale concerns still apply for links of any real speed. > Again, I understand your concern about the scope thing. We will handle > it with discretion. 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X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:01:06 -0000 I think both are valuable and prefer keeping them separate. -- Flemming On 3/16/17 4:47 PM, Roman Danyliw wrote: > Hello all! > > Any additional opinions on how to handle the WG requirements and use case drafts? > > Roman > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ehud Doron >> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 4:14 AM >> To: Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy) ; >> mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; Mortensen, Andrew >> ; dots@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? >> >> All >> >> +1 on that, I prefer to keep them separate. >> >> Thanks, Ehud >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tirumaleswar >> Reddy (tireddy) >> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 11:08 AM >> To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; Mortensen, Andrew >> ; dots@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? >> >> I prefer to keep them separate. >> >> -Tiru >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >>> mohamed.boucadair@orange.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 1:37 PM >>> To: Mortensen, Andrew ; dots@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? >>> >>> Hi Andrew, all, >>> >>> I have an alternate proposal: >>> * Maintain the requirements draft with its initial scope. >>> * Abandon the use cases draft. >>> >>> I don't see much value in publishing the use case I-D as an RFC. The >>> requirements I-D is really important as it sketches the scope and >>> required DOTS functionalities. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Med >>> >>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>> De : Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Mortensen, >>>> Andrew Envoyé : lundi 27 février 2017 19:43 À : dots@ietf.org Objet : >>>> [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? >>>> >>>> During the interim meeting, Kathleen Moriarty observed that it might >>>> be beneficial to merge the requirements and use cases drafts, since >>>> the IESG tends to look more favorably on such drafts. >>>> >>>> We did not continue that discussion during the interim meeting, due >>>> to limited time, but I think it’s something we need to discuss ahead >>>> of the meeting in Chicago. To begin with, I’d like to hear a little >>>> more from Kathleen about why a merged draft is likely to be more >>>> palatable to the IESG. If nothing else, it’d be nice to avoid coming >>>> to the topic cold in Chicago. >>>> >>>> andrew >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dots mailing list >>>> Dots@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dots mailing list >>> Dots@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots >> _______________________________________________ >> Dots mailing list >> Dots@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots >> _______________________________________________ >> Dots mailing list >> Dots@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Fri Mar 17 12:37:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3372C129476 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:37:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0LcteX1tpQbb for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from taper.sei.cmu.edu (taper.sei.cmu.edu [147.72.252.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E3911293F8 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 12:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pawpaw.sei.cmu.edu (pawpaw.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.22]) by taper.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id v2HJavBC021922 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:36:57 -0400 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 taper.sei.cmu.edu v2HJavBC021922 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cert.org; s=yc2bmwvrj62m; t=1489779417; bh=QVKRPRy+npIzp1xnlItDRZ1EyEjuRGmd1IKAJiX0AQc=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=EfFKOfIGfMyj0WFrVZN1pktAh5zAsCD5/DvaOtyfSVqPaqbh/ny7R4GC2nh9QelMF Az7vqdWPrHD7GHP+PskPNCURNfexOK0VPyYEMRwhBlFKpYMDeeQMaQDXSIiOCXQQJO kGYgD649OaUCuUoi1IVw7WEUYSM3fNTi6v/GSEhQ= Received: from CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cassina.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.249]) by pawpaw.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4/1543) with ESMTP id v2HJaoiF032537 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:36:50 -0400 Received: from MARATHON.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.250]) by CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.249]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:36:50 -0400 From: Roman Danyliw To: "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Draft IETF 98 Agenda Thread-Index: AdKfVZh6HWLRltDdRXiYc8+h1LBsuQ== Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:36:49 +0000 Message-ID: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F1E662@marathon> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.22.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] Draft IETF 98 Agenda X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:37:00 -0000 Hello, The draft agenda for the IETF 98 DOTS meeting is as follows: --[ snip ]-- https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/agenda/agenda-98-dots-00 TUESDAY, March 28, 2017 1640-1840 Afternoon Session III Zurich G Co-Chairs: Roman Danyliw and Tobias Gondrom 1. Note well, logistics and introduction (chairs, 5 min) 2. Use Case Discussion (15 min)=20 - draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-03 (Roland Dobbins, 5 min) - Additional use cases discussion (10 min) 3. Requirements Discussion (10 min) - draft-ietf-dots-requirements-04 (Andrew Mortensen, 5 min) - Additional requirements discussion (5 min) 4. Architecture Discussion (10 min) - draft-ietf-dots-architecture-01 (Andrew Mortensen, 5 min) - Additional architecture discussion (5 min) 5. Protocol Drafts (60 min) - draft-reddy-dots-data-channel-05 (TBD, 15 min) - draft-reddy-dots-signal-channel-09 (TBD, 10 min) - NTT Implementation Report (Kaname Nishizuka, 10 min) - Cisco Implementation Report (Flemming Andreasen, 10 min) - Additional protocol discussion (15 min) 6. Other Work (10 min) - draft-fu-dots-ipfix-tcp-tracking-00 (Hui Zheng, 10 min) 7. Open Mic (5 min) 8. Closing (chairs, 5 min) --[ snip ]-- Please send the chairs any feedback. 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Danyliw" , dots@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11449ffcde4ae3054b1ff1cb Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBtZXJnaW5nIHJlcXVpcmVtZW50cyBhbmQg?= =?utf-8?q?use_cases_drafts=3F?= X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 02:04:21 -0000 --001a11449ffcde4ae3054b1ff1cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I also see value in having two different documents. Yours Daniel On Mar 19, 2017 21:33, "Xialiang (Frank)" wrote= : > Hi all, > I see these two drafts have their respective values, and prefer to keepin= g > them separate. > > Thanks! > > B.R. > Frank > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB= =A3=E8=A1=A8 Flemming Andreasen > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8817=E6=97=A5 = 22:01 > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Roman Danyliw; dots@ietf.org > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? > > I think both are valuable and prefer keeping them separate. > > -- Flemming > > On 3/16/17 4:47 PM, Roman Danyliw wrote: > > Hello all! > > > > Any additional opinions on how to handle the WG requirements and use > case drafts? > > > > Roman > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ehud Doron > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 4:14 AM > >> To: Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy) ; > >> mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; Mortensen, Andrew > >> ; dots@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? > >> > >> All > >> > >> +1 on that, I prefer to keep them separate. > >> > >> Thanks, Ehud > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tirumaleswar > >> Reddy (tireddy) > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 11:08 AM > >> To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; Mortensen, Andrew > >> ; dots@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? > >> > >> I prefer to keep them separate. > >> > >> -Tiru > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > >>> mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 1:37 PM > >>> To: Mortensen, Andrew ; dots@ietf.org > >>> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? > >>> > >>> Hi Andrew, all, > >>> > >>> I have an alternate proposal: > >>> * Maintain the requirements draft with its initial scope. > >>> * Abandon the use cases draft. > >>> > >>> I don't see much value in publishing the use case I-D as an RFC. The > >>> requirements I-D is really important as it sketches the scope and > >>> required DOTS functionalities. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Med > >>> > >>>> -----Message d'origine----- > >>>> De : Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Mortensen, > >>>> Andrew Envoy=C3=A9 : lundi 27 f=C3=A9vrier 2017 19:43 =C3=80 : dots@= ietf.org Objet : > >>>> [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? > >>>> > >>>> During the interim meeting, Kathleen Moriarty observed that it > >>>> might be beneficial to merge the requirements and use cases drafts, > >>>> since the IESG tends to look more favorably on such drafts. > >>>> > >>>> We did not continue that discussion during the interim meeting, due > >>>> to limited time, but I think it=E2=80=99s something we need to discu= ss > >>>> ahead of the meeting in Chicago. To begin with, I=E2=80=99d like to = hear a > >>>> little more from Kathleen about why a merged draft is likely to be > >>>> more palatable to the IESG. If nothing else, it=E2=80=99d be nice to= avoid > >>>> coming to the topic cold in Chicago. > >>>> > >>>> andrew > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Dots mailing list > >>>> Dots@ietf.org > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Dots mailing list > >>> Dots@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Dots mailing list > >> Dots@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Dots mailing list > >> Dots@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > > _______________________________________________ > > Dots mailing list > > Dots@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > --001a11449ffcde4ae3054b1ff1cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I also see value in having two diffe= rent documents.
Yours
Daniel<= /div>

On Mar= 19, 2017 21:33, "Xialiang (Frank)" <frank.xialiang@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I see these two drafts have their respective values, and prefer to keeping = them separate.

Thanks!

B.R.
Frank

-----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----
=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Flemming Andreasen =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2017=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8817=E6=97=A5 22= :01
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Roman Danyliw; dots@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts?
I think both are valuable and prefer keeping them separate.

-- Flemming

On 3/16/17 4:47 PM, Roman Danyliw wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> Any additional opinions on how to handle the WG requirements and use c= ase drafts?
>
> Roman
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dots [mailto:dots-b= ounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ehud Doron
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 4:14 AM
>> To: Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy) <tireddy@cisco.com>;
>> mohamed.boucadair@= orange.com; Mortensen, Andrew
>> <amortensen@arbor.net>; dots@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts?
>>
>> All
>>
>> +1 on that, I prefer to keep them separate.
>>
>> Thanks, Ehud
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dots [mailto:dots-b= ounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tirumaleswar
>> Reddy (tireddy)
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 11:08 AM
>> To: mohamed.boucad= air@orange.com; Mortensen, Andrew
>> <amortensen@arbor.net>; dots@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts?
>>
>> I prefer to keep them separate.
>>
>> -Tiru
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dots [mailto:do= ts-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>>> mohamed.boucad= air@orange.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 1:37 PM
>>> To: Mortensen, Andrew <amortensen@arbor.net>; dots@iet= f.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts?=
>>>
>>> Hi Andrew, all,
>>>
>>> I have an alternate proposal:
>>> * Maintain the requirements draft with its initial scope.
>>> * Abandon the use cases draft.
>>>
>>> I don't see much value in publishing the use case I-D as a= n RFC. The
>>> requirements I-D is really important as it sketches the scope = and
>>> required DOTS functionalities.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Med
>>>
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Mortensen,
>>>> Andrew Envoy=C3=A9 : lundi 27 f=C3=A9vrier 2017 19:43 =C3= =80 : dots@ietf.org Objet :
>>>> [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts?
>>>>
>>>> During the interim meeting, Kathleen Moriarty observed tha= t it
>>>> might be beneficial to merge the requirements and use case= s drafts,
>>>> since the IESG tends to look more favorably on such drafts= .
>>>>
>>>> We did not continue that discussion during the interim mee= ting, due
>>>> to limited time, but I think it=E2=80=99s something we nee= d to discuss
>>>> ahead of the meeting in Chicago. To begin with, I=E2=80=99= d like to hear a
>>>> little more from Kathleen about why a merged draft is like= ly to be
>>>> more palatable to the IESG. If nothing else, it=E2=80=99d = be nice to avoid
>>>> coming to the topic cold in Chicago.
>>>>
>>>> andrew
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Dots mailing list
>>>> Dots@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinf= o/dots
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Dots mailing list
>>> Dots@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/do= ts
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dots mailing list
>> Dots@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dots mailing list
>> Dots@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots
> _______________________________________________
> Dots mailing list
> Dots@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots
_______________________________________________
Dots mailing list
Dots@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots
_______________________________________________
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--001a11449ffcde4ae3054b1ff1cb-- From nobody Mon Mar 20 18:59:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5C412943B for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SSP1VIfYPtc5 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guri.nttv6.jp (guri.nttv6.jp [115.69.228.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DEE1316CB for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z.nttv6.jp (z.nttv6.jp [IPv6:2402:c800:ff06:6::f]) by guri.nttv6.jp (NTTv6MTA) with ESMTP id 8017D25F6A4; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:59:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from SR2-nishizuka.local (fujiko.nttv6.jp [IPv6:2402:c800:ff06:136::141]) by z.nttv6.jp (NTTv6MTA) with ESMTP id 119C4763500; Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:59:25 +0900 (JST) To: Daniel Migault , "Xialiang (Frank)" References: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009E1989A@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F1D124@marathon> <44a6b86f-f3ec-9635-4935-df8bcd627858@cisco.com> Cc: "Roman D. Danyliw" , dots@ietf.org From: kaname nishizuka Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:59:25 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C9A0E4BF99C0F1AACF4940D3" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBtZXJnaW5nIHJlcXVpcmVtZW50cyBhbmQg?= =?utf-8?q?use_cases_drafts=3F?= X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 01:59:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C9A0E4BF99C0F1AACF4940D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I do agree that they have their own values each. I also prefer keeping them separate. thank you, Kaname On 2017/03/20 11:04, Daniel Migault wrote: > Hi, > I also see value in having two different documents. > Yours > Daniel > > On Mar 19, 2017 21:33, "Xialiang (Frank)" > wrote: > > Hi all, > I see these two drafts have their respective values, and prefer to keeping them separate. > > Thanks! > > B.R. > Frank > > -----邮件原件----- > 发件人: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org ] 代表 Flemming Andreasen > 发送时间: 2017年3月17日 22:01 > 收件人: Roman Danyliw; dots@ietf.org > 主题: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? > > I think both are valuable and prefer keeping them separate. > > -- Flemming > > On 3/16/17 4:47 PM, Roman Danyliw wrote: > > Hello all! > > > > Any additional opinions on how to handle the WG requirements and use case drafts? > > > > Roman > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org ] On Behalf Of Ehud Doron > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 4:14 AM > >> To: Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy) >; > >> mohamed.boucadair@orange.com ; Mortensen, Andrew > >> >; dots@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? > >> > >> All > >> > >> +1 on that, I prefer to keep them separate. > >> > >> Thanks, Ehud > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org ] On Behalf Of Tirumaleswar > >> Reddy (tireddy) > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 11:08 AM > >> To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com ; Mortensen, Andrew > >> >; dots@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? > >> > >> I prefer to keep them separate. > >> > >> -Tiru > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org ] On Behalf Of > >>> mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 1:37 PM > >>> To: Mortensen, Andrew >; dots@ietf.org > >>> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? > >>> > >>> Hi Andrew, all, > >>> > >>> I have an alternate proposal: > >>> * Maintain the requirements draft with its initial scope. > >>> * Abandon the use cases draft. > >>> > >>> I don't see much value in publishing the use case I-D as an RFC. The > >>> requirements I-D is really important as it sketches the scope and > >>> required DOTS functionalities. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Med > >>> > >>>> -----Message d'origine----- > >>>> De : Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org ] De la part de Mortensen, > >>>> Andrew Envoyé : lundi 27 février 2017 19:43 À : dots@ietf.org Objet : > >>>> [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts? > >>>> > >>>> During the interim meeting, Kathleen Moriarty observed that it > >>>> might be beneficial to merge the requirements and use cases drafts, > >>>> since the IESG tends to look more favorably on such drafts. > >>>> > >>>> We did not continue that discussion during the interim meeting, due > >>>> to limited time, but I think it’s something we need to discuss > >>>> ahead of the meeting in Chicago. To begin with, I’d like to hear a > >>>> little more from Kathleen about why a merged draft is likely to be > >>>> more palatable to the IESG. If nothing else, it’d be nice to avoid > >>>> coming to the topic cold in Chicago. > >>>> > >>>> andrew > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Dots mailing list > >>>> Dots@ietf.org > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Dots mailing list > >>> Dots@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Dots mailing list > >> Dots@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Dots mailing list > >> Dots@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > > _______________________________________________ > > Dots mailing list > > Dots@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots --------------C9A0E4BF99C0F1AACF4940D3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I do agree that they have their own values each.
I also prefer keeping them separate.

thank you,
Kaname


On 2017/03/20 11:04, Daniel Migault wrote:
Hi,
I also see value in having two different documents.
Yours
Daniel

On Mar 19, 2017 21:33, "Xialiang (Frank)" <frank.xialiang@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I see these two drafts have their respective values, and prefer to keeping them separate.

Thanks!

B.R.
Frank

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] 代表 Flemming Andreasen
发送时间: 2017年3月17日 22:01
收件人: Roman Danyliw; dots@ietf.org
主题: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts?

I think both are valuable and prefer keeping them separate.

-- Flemming

On 3/16/17 4:47 PM, Roman Danyliw wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> Any additional opinions on how to handle the WG requirements and use case drafts?
>
> Roman
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ehud Doron
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 4:14 AM
>> To: Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy) <tireddy@cisco.com>;
>> mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; Mortensen, Andrew
>> <amortensen@arbor.net>; dots@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts?
>>
>> All
>>
>> +1 on that, I prefer to keep them separate.
>>
>> Thanks, Ehud
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tirumaleswar
>> Reddy (tireddy)
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 11:08 AM
>> To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; Mortensen, Andrew
>> <amortensen@arbor.net>; dots@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts?
>>
>> I prefer to keep them separate.
>>
>> -Tiru
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>>> mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 1:37 PM
>>> To: Mortensen, Andrew <amortensen@arbor.net>; dots@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts?
>>>
>>> Hi Andrew, all,
>>>
>>> I have an alternate proposal:
>>> * Maintain the requirements draft with its initial scope.
>>> * Abandon the use cases draft.
>>>
>>> I don't see much value in publishing the use case I-D as an RFC. The
>>> requirements I-D is really important as it sketches the scope and
>>> required DOTS functionalities.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Med
>>>
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Mortensen,
>>>> Andrew Envoyé : lundi 27 février 2017 19:43 À : dots@ietf.org Objet :
>>>> [Dots] merging requirements and use cases drafts?
>>>>
>>>> During the interim meeting, Kathleen Moriarty observed that it
>>>> might be beneficial to merge the requirements and use cases drafts,
>>>> since the IESG tends to look more favorably on such drafts.
>>>>
>>>> We did not continue that discussion during the interim meeting, due
>>>> to limited time, but I think it’s something we need to discuss
>>>> ahead of the meeting in Chicago. To begin with, I’d like to hear a
>>>> little more from Kathleen about why a merged draft is likely to be
>>>> more palatable to the IESG. If nothing else, it’d be nice to avoid
>>>> coming to the topic cold in Chicago.
>>>>
>>>> andrew
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Dots mailing list
>>>> Dots@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Dots mailing list
>>> Dots@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dots mailing list
>> Dots@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots
>> _______________________________________________
>> Dots mailing list
>> Dots@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots
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> Dots@ietf.org
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--------------C9A0E4BF99C0F1AACF4940D3-- From nobody Sat Mar 25 19:48:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE4F1294CC for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:48:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.103 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MISSING_MIMEOLE=1.899, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.from=tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org header.d=gondrom.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vUMRON--Fq64 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gondrom.org (www.gondrom.org [5.35.241.16]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18C2B1294C0 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seraph (swissotel07.s.subnet.rcn.com [216.80.61.6]) by gondrom.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 710A36498C; Sun, 26 Mar 2017 04:48:07 +0200 (CEST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=gondrom.org; b=BUIgBEp0yY2ZUCShgKfqIl2X65NoSsTf1/hZGdpJUBp00S/FsTe3xikkR8yaCnjYX61lFIpeUKO2QdTqjhMmNsrZwfbTcAkYiDTPgtBatmmHZZl7+mwb4XFIJKkSR5ttl0p8K177C5rCQBBFmv05+S57fBhCv9iw9F1q2IFIEsU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:Importance; From: "Tobias Gondrom" To: Cc: "'Roman D. Danyliw'" Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 04:48:03 +0200 Message-ID: <010b01d2a5db$65c92e70$315b8b50$@gondrom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010C_01D2A5EC.2953FA40" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdKl22GV0ZKbEq6CSYqrC1MbnVwLVg== Content-Language: en-us Importance: High Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] DOTS: 2 Design Team meetings: Mon 12-13 use cases/rews/ari and Tuesday 12-13 protocols X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 02:48:13 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010C_01D2A5EC.2953FA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi dear DOTS team, As discussed during the interim and at the last IETF meeting, we offer two short design team meetings. (note: the design team meetings are open to everyone and shall facilitate and allow for progress discussions on two of our main areas: use case/req-architecture and protocols) Monday 12:00-13:00 use case/req-architecture Tuesday 12:00-13:00: protocols Location: Room will be announced tomorrow (Sunday) evening. I felt that given the many conflicting WG schedules, probably the lunch breaks are the only relatively safe place to not run into a conflict. Sorry for the inconvenience. And please note that on Monday, there is I2NSF immediately after the design team meeting, starting at 13:00 and on Tuesday also other meetings that might be possible conflicts for some. So we should aim to start on time and finish on time. And FYI our own DOTS WG is on Tuesday afternoon 16:40-18:40: Zurich G SEC dots DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG So there wasn't much alternative times to fit in before our WG meeting. I hope this works and am looking forward to seeing you all. Welcome to Chicago and best regards, Tobias ------=_NextPart_000_010C_01D2A5EC.2953FA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi dear DOTS team,

 

As discussed = during the interim and at the last IETF meeting, we offer two short = design team meetings.

(note: the = design team meetings are open to everyone and shall = facilitate and allow for progress discussions on two of our main areas: = use case/req-architecture and protocols)

 

Monday = 12:00-13:00 use case/req-architecture

Tuesday 12:00-13:00: = protocols

Location: = Room will be announced tomorrow (Sunday) evening.

 

I felt that = given the many conflicting WG schedules, probably the lunch breaks are = the only relatively safe place to not run into a conflict. Sorry for the = inconvenience. And please note that on Monday, there is I2NSF = immediately after the design team meeting, starting at 13:00 and on = Tuesday also other meetings that might be possible conflicts for some. = So we should aim to start on time and finish on time.

 

And FYI = our own DOTS WG is on Tuesday afternoon 16:40-18:40: =

Zurich G    = SEC   dots  DDoS Open Threat Signaling = WG

 

So there wasn’t much alternative times to fit in = before our WG meeting.

 

I hope this = works and am looking forward to seeing you all.

 

Welcome to = Chicago and best regards, Tobias

 

 

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Danyliw" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045dc12ace709f054ba543ca Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] DOTS: 2 Design Team meetings: Mon 12-13 use cases/rews/ari and Tuesday 12-13 protocols X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 17:07:46 -0000 --f403045dc12ace709f054ba543ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The current version of the use case draft is available here [1]. I will submit the draft on Monday, feel free to comment to bring more discussion during the meeting! [1] https://github.com/mglt/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases/commit/28c182d000f6b30c9f= 83f3c524ae3c24a8e735db On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Tobias Gondrom wrote: > Hi dear DOTS team, > > > > As discussed during the interim and at the last IETF meeting, we offer tw= o > short design team meetings. > > (note: the design team meetings are *open to everyone* and shall > facilitate and allow for progress discussions on two of our main areas: u= se > case/req-architecture and protocols) > > > > *Monday 12:00-13:00 use **case/req-architecture* > > *Tuesday 12:00-13:00: **protocols* > > *Location: Room will be announced tomorrow (Sunday) evening. * > > > > I felt that given the many conflicting WG schedules, probably the lunch > breaks are the only relatively safe place to not run into a conflict. Sor= ry > for the inconvenience. And please note that on Monday, there is I2NSF > immediately after the design team meeting, starting at 13:00 and on Tuesd= ay > also other meetings that might be possible conflicts for some. So we shou= ld > aim to start on time and finish on time. > > > > *And FYI our own DOTS WG is on Tuesday afternoon 16:40-18:40: * > > *Zurich G SEC dots DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG* > > > > So there wasn=E2=80=99t much alternative times to fit in before our WG me= eting. > > > > I hope this works and am looking forward to seeing you all. > > > > Welcome to Chicago and best regards, Tobias > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > > --f403045dc12ace709f054ba543ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

The current version of the use case= draft is available here [1]. I will submit the draft on Monday, feel free = to comment to bring more discussion during the meeting!

On Sa= t, Mar 25, 2017 at 10:48 PM, Tobias Gondrom <tobias.gondrom@gon= drom.org> wrote:

Hi dear DOTS team,

=C2=A0

As discussed during the interim and at the last IETF meeting, we offer two= short design team meetings.

(note= : the design team meetings are open to everyone and shall fac= ilitate and allow for progress discussions on two of our main areas: use ca= se/req-architecture and protocols)

= =C2=A0

Monday 12:00-13:00 use case/req-architecture

T= uesday 12:00-13:00: protocols

Location: Room will be announced tomorrow (Sunday) evening.

=C2=A0

I felt that given the many conflicting WG schedules, probably th= e lunch breaks are the only relatively safe place to not run into a conflic= t. Sorry for the inconvenience. And please note that on Monday, there is I2= NSF immediately after the design team meeting, starting at 13:00 and on Tue= sday also other meetings that might be possible conflicts for some. So we s= hould aim to start on time and finish on time.

=C2=A0

And FYI ou= r own DOTS WG is on Tuesday afternoon 16:40-18:40:

Zurich G=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 SEC=C2=A0=C2=A0 dots=C2= =A0 DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG

=C2=A0

So there wasn=E2=80=99t m= uch alternative times to fit in before our WG meeting.

=C2=A0

I hope = this works and am looking forward to seeing you all.

=C2=A0

Welcome t= o Chicago and best regards, Tobias

= =C2=A0

=C2=A0


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Danyliw'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 21:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <02ec01d2a6a4$088c3760$19a4a620$@gondrom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02ED_01D2A67A.1FB6F2B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQK+Xftq1Kmghyr9sAc0LiZgsgGH2Z/QiuyA Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] DOTS: 2 Design Team meetings: Mon 12-13 use cases/rews/ari and Tuesday 12-13 protocols X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 02:44:25 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02ED_01D2A67A.1FB6F2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all,=20 =20 And here the location information for tomorrow:=20 1. Monday 12:00-13:00 use case/req-architecture Location: Room Matterhorn, on the 42nd floor, when you exit the = elevator, turn right, go 5m through the door called = =E2=80=9CSpa=E2=80=9D. After the Spa entrance door, turn immediately = left, go another 5m and you are there at room Matterhorn. =F0=9F=98=8A=20 =20 2. Tuesday 12:00-13:00: protocols Location: Room Lugano, 2nd floor, listed on the map (is the same floor = like the hackathon was today=E2=80=A6) =20 Cheers and see you tomorrow, Tobias =20 =20 =20 From: Tobias Gondrom [mailto:tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org]=20 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:48 PM To: 'dots@ietf.org' Cc: 'Roman D. Danyliw' Subject: DOTS: 2 Design Team meetings: Mon 12-13 use cases/rews/ari and = Tuesday 12-13 protocols Importance: High =20 Hi dear DOTS team,=20 =20 As discussed during the interim and at the last IETF meeting, we offer = two short design team meetings.=20 (note: the design team meetings are open to everyone and shall = facilitate and allow for progress discussions on two of our main areas: = use case/req-architecture and protocols) =20 Monday 12:00-13:00 use case/req-architecture Tuesday 12:00-13:00: protocols Location: Room will be announced tomorrow (Sunday) evening.=20 =20 I felt that given the many conflicting WG schedules, probably the lunch = breaks are the only relatively safe place to not run into a conflict. = Sorry for the inconvenience. And please note that on Monday, there is = I2NSF immediately after the design team meeting, starting at 13:00 and = on Tuesday also other meetings that might be possible conflicts for = some. So we should aim to start on time and finish on time.=20 =20 And FYI our own DOTS WG is on Tuesday afternoon 16:40-18:40:=20 Zurich G SEC dots DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG =20 So there wasn=E2=80=99t much alternative times to fit in before our WG = meeting.=20 =20 I hope this works and am looking forward to seeing you all.=20 =20 Welcome to Chicago and best regards, Tobias =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_02ED_01D2A67A.1FB6F2B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all,

 

And here the = location information for tomorrow:

1. Monday 12:00-13:00 use = case/req-architecture

Location: Room Matterhorn, on the 42nd = floor, when you exit the elevator, turn right, go 5m through the door = called =E2=80=9CSpa=E2=80=9D. After the Spa entrance door, turn = immediately left, go another 5m and you are there at room Matterhorn. = =F0=9F=98=8A

 

2. = Tuesday 12:00-13:00: protocols

Location: Room Lugano, 2nd floor, listed = on the map (is the same floor like the hackathon was = today=E2=80=A6)

 

Cheers and = see you tomorrow, Tobias

 

 

 

From: Tobias Gondrom = [mailto:tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, = 2017 9:48 PM
To: 'dots@ietf.org' = <dots@ietf.org>
Cc: 'Roman D. Danyliw' = <rdd@cert.org>
Subject: DOTS: 2 Design Team meetings: = Mon 12-13 use cases/rews/ari and Tuesday 12-13 = protocols
Importance: High

 

Hi dear DOTS = team,

 

As discussed during the interim and at the last IETF = meeting, we offer two short design team meetings.

(note: the design team meetings are open to = everyone and shall facilitate and allow for progress discussions = on two of our main areas: use case/req-architecture and = protocols)

 

Monday 12:00-13:00 use = case/req-architecture

Tuesday = 12:00-13:00: protocols

Location: Room will be announced tomorrow (Sunday) = evening.

 

I felt that given the many conflicting WG schedules, = probably the lunch breaks are the only relatively safe place to not run = into a conflict. Sorry for the inconvenience. And please note that on = Monday, there is I2NSF immediately after the design team meeting, = starting at 13:00 and on Tuesday also other meetings that might be = possible conflicts for some. So we should aim to start on time and = finish on time.

 

And FYI = our own DOTS WG is on Tuesday afternoon 16:40-18:40: =

Zurich G    = SEC   dots  DDoS Open Threat Signaling = WG

 

So there wasn=E2=80=99t much alternative times to fit = in before our WG meeting.

 

I hope this = works and am looking forward to seeing you all.

 

Welcome to = Chicago and best regards, Tobias

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_02ED_01D2A67A.1FB6F2B0-- From nobody Mon Mar 27 07:27:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietf.org Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8994128B88; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 07:27:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dots@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.48.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149062483691.30533.10333411982710665213@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 07:27:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-04.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:27:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF. Title : Use cases for DDoS Open Threat Signaling Authors : Roland Dobbins Stefan Fouant Daniel Migault Robert Moskowitz Nik Teague Liang Xia Kaname Nishizuka Filename : draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-04.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2017-03-27 Abstract: The DDoS Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) effort is intended to provide a protocol that facilitates interoperability between multivendor solutions/services. This document presents use cases to evaluate the interactions expected between the DOTS components as well as the DOTS exchanges. The purpose of the use cases is to identify the interacting DOTS component, how they collaborate and what are the types of information to be exchanged. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Mon, 27 Mar 2017 07:44:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CI2uic4c6Ru7 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 07:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guri.nttv6.jp (guri.nttv6.jp [IPv6:2402:c800:ff06:136::140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4B212943B for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 07:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z.nttv6.jp (z.nttv6.jp [IPv6:2402:c800:ff06:6::f]) by guri.nttv6.jp (NTTv6MTA) with ESMTP id A569225F6CE; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 23:44:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from dhcp-8769.meeting.ietf.org (fujiko.nttv6.jp [IPv6:2402:c800:ff06:136::141]) by z.nttv6.jp (NTTv6MTA) with ESMTP id 978727634FD; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 23:44:08 +0900 (JST) To: Daniel Migault , "dots@ietf.org" References: <149062483709.30533.14391307409849873276.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2DD56D786E600F45AC6BDE7DA4E8A8C118BB750E@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> From: kaname nishizuka Message-ID: <82d69236-3b31-216b-1462-1ef7d87184dc@nttv6.jp> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 09:44:07 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2DD56D786E600F45AC6BDE7DA4E8A8C118BB750E@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-04.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:44:13 -0000 Hi Daniel, I really appreciate your intensive efforts on this update. The structure of the revised text looks very nice. One editorial comment. It would be needed to omit the unused references in the next revision ( [APACHE] , [RRL] ) thank you, Kaname On 2017/03/27 9:28, Daniel Migault wrote: > Hi, > > Please find the version 04 of the use cases we will discuss during lunch. > > Yours, > Daniel > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:27 AM > To: Kaname Nishizuka ; Nik Teague ; Daniel Migault ; Robert Moskowitz ; Stefan Fouant ; dots-chairs@ietf.org; Roland Dobbins ; Liang Xia ; Liang Xia > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-04.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-04.txt has been successfully submitted by Daniel Migault and posted to the IETF repository. > > Name: draft-ietf-dots-use-cases > Revision: 04 > Title: Use cases for DDoS Open Threat Signaling > Document date: 2017-03-27 > Group: dots > Pages: 12 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-04.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-04 > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-04 > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-04 > > Abstract: > The DDoS Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) effort is intended to provide a > protocol that facilitates interoperability between multivendor > solutions/services. This document presents use cases to evaluate the > interactions expected between the DOTS components as well as the DOTS > exchanges. The purpose of the use cases is to identify the > interacting DOTS component, how they collaborate and what are the > types of information to be exchanged. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Mon Mar 27 08:28:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1F4127978 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 08:28:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 17:39:32 -0000 Hello WG! There has been significant discussion around draft-reddy-dots-data-channel-= 05 that describes the DOTS data channel. It's reached a state where the WG= should decide how to proceed. Therefore, this note starts a formal, three= -week poll for WG adoption of: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots-data-channel Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/suppo= rt" or "no/do not support". =A0If indicating no, please state your reason(s= ).=A0 If yes, please feel free to provide comments on what you'd like to se= e addressed in future revisions. We'll have time during the WG meeting in Chicago to discussion this topic. Roman and Tobias From nobody Mon Mar 27 11:00:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC601270FC for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:00:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.from=tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org header.d=gondrom.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7K-ZDBew979w for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gondrom.org (www.gondrom.org [5.35.241.16]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FF26124BFA for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seraph (swissotel07.s.subnet.rcn.com [216.80.61.6]) by gondrom.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A05E6496D; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:00:01 +0200 (CEST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=gondrom.org; b=ea6LaTtc5lwSYvqS0uKwkA+Guz1nc9A2L7DK5jseiVubVBdOBgynjX3tcTcZbPwd9aUqgt9aRXnntN+M6O6qaVpdHT8Am2YKjvlqgHFD/vFR89X8ity3MJ5nF9fiWkx/1fFMLSSmVWj8HILmH7IVEFTi0yQc/j5cVUFrBb4km5o=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; From: "Tobias Gondrom" To: Cc: "'Roman D. Danyliw'" Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:59:59 -0500 Message-ID: <044301d2a723$f45d60e0$dd1822a0$@gondrom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0444_01D2A6FA.0B8A6620" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdKnI8z0XyBWePGsQN2EXqNQYU8WGQ== Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] DOTS: 2 Design Team meetings: Mon 12-13 use cases/rews/ari and Tuesday 12-13 protocols - cancel design team meeting for Tuesday X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 18:00:07 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0444_01D2A6FA.0B8A6620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=20 After we completed all design discussions today over lunch, we can = cancel the design team meeting for tomorrow (Tuesday) lunch.=20 So no design team meeting on Tuesday lunch time.=20 =20 See you all tomorrow (Tuesday) afternoon for the DOTS WG meeting.=20 =20 Cheers, Tobias =20 =20 From: Tobias Gondrom [mailto:tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org]=20 Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 9:44 PM To: 'dots@ietf.org' Cc: 'Roman D. Danyliw' Subject: RE: DOTS: 2 Design Team meetings: Mon 12-13 use cases/rews/ari = and Tuesday 12-13 protocols =20 Dear all,=20 =20 And here the location information for tomorrow:=20 1. Monday 12:00-13:00 use case/req-architecture Location: Room Matterhorn, on the 42nd floor, when you exit the = elevator, turn right, go 5m through the door called = =E2=80=9CSpa=E2=80=9D. After the Spa entrance door, turn immediately = left, go another 5m and you are there at room Matterhorn. =F0=9F=98=8A=20 =20 2. Tuesday 12:00-13:00: protocols Location: Room Lugano, 2nd floor, listed on the map (is the same floor = like the hackathon was today=E2=80=A6) =20 Cheers and see you tomorrow, Tobias =20 =20 =20 From: Tobias Gondrom [mailto:tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org]=20 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:48 PM To: 'dots@ietf.org' > Cc: 'Roman D. Danyliw' > Subject: DOTS: 2 Design Team meetings: Mon 12-13 use cases/rews/ari and = Tuesday 12-13 protocols Importance: High =20 Hi dear DOTS team,=20 =20 As discussed during the interim and at the last IETF meeting, we offer = two short design team meetings.=20 (note: the design team meetings are open to everyone and shall = facilitate and allow for progress discussions on two of our main areas: = use case/req-architecture and protocols) =20 Monday 12:00-13:00 use case/req-architecture Tuesday 12:00-13:00: protocols Location: Room will be announced tomorrow (Sunday) evening.=20 =20 I felt that given the many conflicting WG schedules, probably the lunch = breaks are the only relatively safe place to not run into a conflict. = Sorry for the inconvenience. And please note that on Monday, there is = I2NSF immediately after the design team meeting, starting at 13:00 and = on Tuesday also other meetings that might be possible conflicts for = some. So we should aim to start on time and finish on time.=20 =20 And FYI our own DOTS WG is on Tuesday afternoon 16:40-18:40:=20 Zurich G SEC dots DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG =20 So there wasn=E2=80=99t much alternative times to fit in before our WG = meeting.=20 =20 I hope this works and am looking forward to seeing you all.=20 =20 Welcome to Chicago and best regards, Tobias =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0444_01D2A6FA.0B8A6620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

After we = completed all design discussions today over lunch, we can cancel the = design team meeting for tomorrow (Tuesday) lunch.

So no design team meeting on Tuesday lunch time. =

 

See you all tomorrow (Tuesday) afternoon for the DOTS = WG meeting.

 

Cheers, Tobias

 

 

From: Tobias Gondrom = [mailto:tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org]
Sent: Sunday, March 26, = 2017 9:44 PM
To: 'dots@ietf.org' = <dots@ietf.org>
Cc: 'Roman D. Danyliw' = <rdd@cert.org>
Subject: RE: DOTS: 2 Design Team = meetings: Mon 12-13 use cases/rews/ari and Tuesday 12-13 = protocols

 

Dear all, =

 

And here the location information for tomorrow: =

1. Monday 12:00-13:00 use = case/req-architecture

Location: Room Matterhorn, on the 42nd = floor, when you exit the elevator, turn right, go 5m through the door = called =E2=80=9CSpa=E2=80=9D. After the Spa entrance door, turn = immediately left, go another 5m and you are there at room Matterhorn. = 😊

 

2. = Tuesday 12:00-13:00: protocols

Location: Room Lugano, 2nd floor, listed = on the map (is the same floor like the hackathon was = today=E2=80=A6)

 

Cheers and = see you tomorrow, Tobias

 

 

 

From: Tobias Gondrom [mailto:tobias.gondrom@gondrom.= org]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 9:48 PM
To: = 'dots@ietf.org' <dots@ietf.org>
Cc: 'Roman = D. Danyliw' <rdd@cert.org>
Subject: = DOTS: 2 Design Team meetings: Mon 12-13 use cases/rews/ari and Tuesday = 12-13 protocols
Importance: High

 

Hi dear DOTS = team,

 

As discussed during the interim and at the last IETF = meeting, we offer two short design team meetings.

(note: the design team meetings are open to = everyone and shall facilitate and allow for progress discussions = on two of our main areas: use case/req-architecture and = protocols)

 

Monday 12:00-13:00 use = case/req-architecture

Tuesday = 12:00-13:00: protocols

Location: Room will be announced tomorrow (Sunday) = evening.

 

I felt that given the many conflicting WG schedules, = probably the lunch breaks are the only relatively safe place to not run = into a conflict. Sorry for the inconvenience. And please note that on = Monday, there is I2NSF immediately after the design team meeting, = starting at 13:00 and on Tuesday also other meetings that might be = possible conflicts for some. So we should aim to start on time and = finish on time.

 

And FYI = our own DOTS WG is on Tuesday afternoon 16:40-18:40: =

Zurich G    = SEC   dots  DDoS Open Threat Signaling = WG

 

So there wasn=E2=80=99t much alternative times to fit = in before our WG meeting.

 

I hope this = works and am looking forward to seeing you all.

 

Welcome to = Chicago and best regards, Tobias

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0444_01D2A6FA.0B8A6620-- From nobody Mon Mar 27 12:45:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0A71295A0 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:45:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gp36dhurH7al for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (mta240.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC128129492 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfedar01.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.2]) by opfedar22.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id ACDAF603C6; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:45:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.66]) by opfedar01.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 9412D16006C; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:45:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILMA1.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::95e2:eb4b:3053:fabf%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:45:52 +0200 From: To: Roman Danyliw , "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel Thread-Index: AdKnH6pS+Wm0qhcrQ8uGiLlKZjQMFgAEqfBw Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:45:52 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009E415C2@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F278B5@marathon> In-Reply-To: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F278B5@marathon> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:45:56 -0000 Dear Chairs,=20 I support the adoption of this draft.=20 FWIW, being an author of the draft, I would like to mention that I have no = IPR related to this document. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Roman Danyliw > Envoy=E9=A0: lundi 27 mars 2017 12:39 > =C0=A0: dots@ietf.org > Objet=A0: [Dots] Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel >=20 > Hello WG! >=20 > There has been significant discussion around draft-reddy-dots-data- > channel-05 that describes the DOTS data channel. It's reached a state > where the WG should decide how to proceed. Therefore, this note starts a > formal, three-week poll for WG adoption of: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots-data-channel >=20 > Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating > "yes/support" or "no/do not support". =A0If indicating no, please state y= our > reason(s).=A0 If yes, please feel free to provide comments on what you'd > like to see addressed in future revisions. >=20 > We'll have time during the WG meeting in Chicago to discussion this topic= . >=20 > Roman and Tobias >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Mon Mar 27 19:32:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6401296E7 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:32:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Kh81OMglGRr for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1F61127A97 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:32:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=956; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1490668376; x=1491877976; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CIzsgxCS+aP0970nyPhYSpb2tmgLiRSAPmvkhCKEQ4A=; b=QCUKhyDlYgV4mX1JSFOQ0AEd+zLx3PbfAKIEnMNhkWJdSCBRaatNoW+u WPL2pt8F0jGcGXX+xUmtbFmUeYqFjgSn7ZGvPiA02PmOVTxbBtw2Wp+GR EDmzDm0V8h+yBqy8cIwQ7FN4l2dpjPUdEMdRY05iINENhTXj7/CuYMWTu Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CzAQDBytlY/5FdJa1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1RhgQuNcZExH5VLgg4fC4VuCgKDHj8YAQIBAQEBAQEBayiFFgE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQMBATY2GwsOCi4nMAYBDAYCAQGJdg0Ori2KTwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?RsFhk6CBQiCYoQmEQGGAQEEnFuGe4tRgXyFKoM0hR2BOpNlHzh8CDofFUGGdCQ?= =?us-ascii?q?1hz+CLgEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.36,234,1486425600"; d="scan'208";a="229199897" Received: from rcdn-core-9.cisco.com ([173.37.93.145]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 28 Mar 2017 02:32:56 +0000 Received: from [10.82.242.57] (rtp-vpn2-569.cisco.com [10.82.242.57]) by rcdn-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2S2Wti8025063; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 02:32:55 GMT To: Roman Danyliw , "dots@ietf.org" References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F278B5@marathon> From: Flemming Andreasen Message-ID: <2ecf7f58-9f4d-5663-bf71-246c64c4372c@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 22:33:05 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F278B5@marathon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 02:32:58 -0000 I'm in favor of adopting this draft. -- Flemming On 3/27/17 1:39 PM, Roman Danyliw wrote: > Hello WG! > > There has been significant discussion around draft-reddy-dots-data-channel-05 that describes the DOTS data channel. It's reached a state where the WG should decide how to proceed. Therefore, this note starts a formal, three-week poll for WG adoption of: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots-data-channel > > Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reason(s). If yes, please feel free to provide comments on what you'd like to see addressed in future revisions. > > We'll have time during the WG meeting in Chicago to discussion this topic. > > Roman and Tobias > > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > . > From nobody Mon Mar 27 21:11:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729761275C5 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:11:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=verisign.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j4qSQ8QCkuzN for ; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 04:11:38 -0000 T24gMjcvMDMvMjAxNywgMTI6MzksICJEb3RzIG9uIGJlaGFsZiBvZiBSb21hbiBEYW55bGl3IiA8 ZG90cy1ib3VuY2VzQGlldGYub3JnIG9uIGJlaGFsZiBvZiByZGRAY2VydC5vcmc+IHdyb3RlOg0K DQogICAgUGxlYXNlIHJldmlldyB0aGUgZHJhZnQgYW5kIHNlbmQgYW4gZW1haWwgdG8gdGhlIGxp c3QgaW5kaWNhdGluZyAieWVzL3N1cHBvcnQiIG9yICJuby9kbyBub3Qgc3VwcG9ydCIuICBJZiBp bmRpY2F0aW5nIG5vLCBwbGVhc2Ugc3RhdGUgeW91ciByZWFzb24ocykuICBJZiB5ZXMsIHBsZWFz ZSBmZWVsIGZyZWUgdG8gcHJvdmlkZSBjb21tZW50cyBvbiB3aGF0IHlvdSdkIGxpa2UgdG8gc2Vl IGFkZHJlc3NlZCBpbiBmdXR1cmUgcmV2aXNpb25zLg0KDQpZZXMgLSBJIHN1cHBvcnQgYWRvcHRp b24uDQoNClRoYW5rcywNCg0KLU5paw0KDQo= From nobody Mon Mar 27 21:27:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053B1127735 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:27:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 521hN9VWSN38 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guri.nttv6.jp (guri.nttv6.jp [115.69.228.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1506312941D for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z.nttv6.jp (z.nttv6.jp [192.168.8.15]) by guri.nttv6.jp (NTTv6MTA) with ESMTP id 8E77A25F6CF; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:27:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from dhcp-b88e.meeting.ietf.org (fujiko.nttv6.jp [IPv6:2402:c800:ff06:136::141]) by z.nttv6.jp (NTTv6MTA) with ESMTP id EA169763502; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:27:33 +0900 (JST) To: Roman Danyliw , "dots@ietf.org" References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F278B5@marathon> From: kaname nishizuka Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 23:27:32 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F278B5@marathon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 04:27:39 -0000 yes - I support adoption of this draft. thank you, Kaname Nishizuka On 2017/03/27 12:39, Roman Danyliw wrote: > Hello WG! > > There has been significant discussion around draft-reddy-dots-data-channel-05 that describes the DOTS data channel. It's reached a state where the WG should decide how to proceed. Therefore, this note starts a formal, three-week poll for WG adoption of: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots-data-channel > > Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reason(s). If yes, please feel free to provide comments on what you'd like to see addressed in future revisions. > > We'll have time during the WG meeting in Chicago to discussion this topic. > > Roman and Tobias > > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Tue Mar 28 05:41:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE522128D69 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 05:40:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 78VibJDxmGB8 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 05:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout1.radware.com (mailout1.radwarecloud.com [192.115.180.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5072F129510 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 05:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ILMB1.corp.radware.com ([169.254.1.24]) by ILCAS1.corp.radware.com ([176.200.120.121]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 15:40:53 +0300 From: Ehud Doron To: Roman Danyliw , "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel Thread-Index: AdKnH6pS+Wm0qhcrQ8uGiLlKZjQMFgAlZMPg Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:40:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F278B5@marathon> In-Reply-To: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F278B5@marathon> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [176.200.121.200] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-11.0.0.4179-8.100.1062-22966.006 x-tm-as-result: No--6.207700-0.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: Yes x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:41:00 -0000 YES - I support the adoption of this draft. Best regards, Ehud -----Original Message----- From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 8:39 PM To: dots@ietf.org Subject: [Dots] Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel Hello WG! There has been significant discussion around draft-reddy-dots-data-channel-= 05 that describes the DOTS data channel. It's reached a state where the WG= should decide how to proceed. Therefore, this note starts a formal, three= -week poll for WG adoption of: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots-data-channel Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/suppo= rt" or "no/do not support". =A0If indicating no, please state your reason(s= ).=A0 If yes, please feel free to provide comments on what you'd like to se= e addressed in future revisions. We'll have time during the WG meeting in Chicago to discussion this topic. Roman and Tobias _______________________________________________ Dots mailing list Dots@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Tue Mar 28 09:17:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127E612944B for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:17:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.222 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.222 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uVMQNnqt75Cw for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED0D4129569 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO LHREML713-CAH.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DDR63521; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:17:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.39) by LHREML713-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 17:17:22 +0100 Received: from DGGEML502-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.93]) by DGGEML404-HUB.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 00:17:15 +0800 From: "Xialiang (Frank)" To: Roman Danyliw CC: "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel Thread-Index: AdKnH6pS+Wm0qhcrQ8uGiLlKZjQMFgAvwUCA Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:17:14 +0000 Message-ID: References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F278B5@marathon> In-Reply-To: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F278B5@marathon> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.47.151.166] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090202.58DA8C93.009E, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.3.93, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 7a42b7ef4134a00de0a9fbb321a7a76b Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:17:29 -0000 Hi DOTS chairs, I support the adoption of this draft. And as one co-author, I am not aware of any IPR of it. B.R. Frank > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:39 PM > To: dots@ietf.org > Subject: [Dots] Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel >=20 > Hello WG! >=20 > There has been significant discussion around draft-reddy-dots-data-channe= l-05 > that describes the DOTS data channel. It's reached a state where the WG > should decide how to proceed. Therefore, this note starts a formal, > three-week poll for WG adoption of: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots-data-channel >=20 > Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/sup= port" or > "no/do not support". =A0If indicating no, please state your reason(s).=A0= If yes, > please feel free to provide comments on what you'd like to see addressed = in > future revisions. >=20 > We'll have time during the WG meeting in Chicago to discussion this topic= . >=20 > Roman and Tobias >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Tue Mar 28 10:48:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9C81293E8 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 10:48:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.921 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X73AbAYy1QYN for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 10:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sandvine.com (mail1.sandvine.com [64.7.137.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D2A0129736 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WTL-EXCHP-1.sandvine.com ([fe80::ac6b:cc1e:f2ff:93aa]) by WTL-EXCHP-3.sandvine.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 13:47:59 -0400 From: Dave Dolson To: "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Some notes on reddy-dots-signal-channel Thread-Index: AdKn6XG9qnMOwZvZQqaPiLw1Kseuww== Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 17:47:58 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.196.10] x-c2processedorg: b2f06e69-072f-40ee-90c5-80a34e700794 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_E8355113905631478EFF04F5AA706E987056A8FEwtlexchp1sandvi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] Some notes on reddy-dots-signal-channel X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 17:48:04 -0000 --_000_E8355113905631478EFF04F5AA706E987056A8FEwtlexchp1sandvi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A couple of high-level comments: See if we agree on these concepts: - I believe we want to remove the "Session" aspects of the protoco= l - heartbeat, ACK timeouts, etc. Yesterday at the design-team meeting I th= ink there was rough agreement on this. - Policy-id doesn't identify a policy; it identifies an "event" or= "transaction" or ? - We want loose coupling between signal and data channels, so I be= lieve the "alias" does not need to be joined to data channel identifier, bu= t could refer to any identifier by name. E.g., "Default" could indicate a c= anned mitigation strategy/policy. - It seems that mitigation requests should be created with POST, n= ot PUT, because a new thing is being created vs. overwriting an existing th= ing. PUT could be used to update an existing event. If there are no objections, I can help with these changes. -Dave --_000_E8355113905631478EFF04F5AA706E987056A8FEwtlexchp1sandvi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A couple of high-level comments: See if we agree on = these concepts:

 

-     &= nbsp;    I believe we want to remove the “Session̶= 1; aspects of the protocol – heartbeat, ACK timeouts, etc. Yesterday = at the design-team meeting I think there was rough agreement on this.<= /o:p>

-     &= nbsp;    Policy-id doesn’t identify a policy; it ident= ifies an “event” or “transaction” or ?

-     &= nbsp;    We want loose coupling between signal and data chan= nels, so I believe the “alias” does not need to be joined to da= ta channel identifier, but could refer to any identifier by name. E.g., = 220;Default” could indicate a canned mitigation strategy/policy.=

-     &= nbsp;    It seems that mitigation requests should be created= with POST, not PUT, because a new thing is being created vs. overwriting a= n existing thing. PUT could be used to update an existing event.=

 

If there are no objections, I can help with these ch= anges.

 

-Dave

 

 

--_000_E8355113905631478EFF04F5AA706E987056A8FEwtlexchp1sandvi_-- From nobody Wed Mar 29 06:27:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765581294EC for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 06:27:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id isCAzrk-HmBm for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 06:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E74671294F6 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 06:27:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1659; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1490794021; x=1492003621; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=GuQs+ueD1qqM1A83fNOd83eYjlVX92KvOvChmuCQSXg=; b=fZMTUT40kUhs42e0PSuBgzMzswlup9rC2kvEyg3+3JnpJL3MRf1ljwjz nkChsC9IgEt33Uu96KBE7cwYBdKOdunpljbcpEWcm0N+bKLODdweFUYVi CIa3XY0mpBkHjsY2kwFkhSIW+tb4QYktHD63JQ1Uji1Q0/hpl/MSIlVTh s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AVAQDGtdtY/49dJa1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1VhgQsHjWyRUJVOgg4fC4V4AoM5PxgBAgEBAQEBAQFrKIUVAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQIBAQFsFwQCAQgRBAEBKAcnCxQJCAEBBAESCIl6CA6vd4pJAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGAWGToRvhCYRAYYBBZAijD4BhnyLSoIFhSqIU4E6k2kBHzh?= =?us-ascii?q?8CFkVQYZYdYcIgSGBDQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.36,241,1486425600"; d="scan'208";a="401694050" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 29 Mar 2017 13:27:01 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com (xch-aln-018.cisco.com [173.36.7.28]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2TDR1RB022126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 29 Mar 2017 13:27:01 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-017.cisco.com (173.37.102.27) by XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com (173.36.7.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 08:27:00 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-017.cisco.com ([173.37.102.27]) by XCH-RCD-017.cisco.com ([173.37.102.27]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 08:27:00 -0500 From: "Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy)" To: Ehud Doron , Roman Danyliw , "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel Thread-Index: AdKnH6pS+Wm0qhcrQ8uGiLlKZjQMFgAlZMPgADa1jiA= Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 13:27:00 +0000 Message-ID: <08bc581c4dfa43fb973c01554a06ee50@XCH-RCD-017.cisco.com> References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F278B5@marathon> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.65.89.220] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 13:27:03 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ehud Doron > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 6:11 PM > To: Roman Danyliw ; dots@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Dots] Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel >=20 > YES - I support the adoption of this draft. +1 -Tiru >=20 > Best regards, Ehud >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 8:39 PM > To: dots@ietf.org > Subject: [Dots] Poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel >=20 > Hello WG! >=20 > There has been significant discussion around draft-reddy-dots-data-channe= l-05 > that describes the DOTS data channel. It's reached a state where the WG > should decide how to proceed. Therefore, this note starts a formal, thre= e- > week poll for WG adoption of: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots-data-channel >=20 > Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/sup= port" > or "no/do not support". =A0If indicating no, please state your reason(s).= =A0 If yes, > please feel free to provide comments on what you'd like to see addressed = in > future revisions. >=20 > We'll have time during the WG meeting in Chicago to discussion this topic= . >=20 > Roman and Tobias >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Wed Mar 29 07:07:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietf.org Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610701296D6 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:07:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.48.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149079647739.26907.7807721470811747815.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:07:57 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] Milestones changed for dots WG X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." 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URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dots/about/ From nobody Wed Mar 29 07:10:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietf.org Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246651296C6 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.48.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149079661714.26899.16283730428041570969.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:10:17 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] Milestones changed for dots WG X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." 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URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dots/about/ From nobody Wed Mar 29 07:15:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietf.org Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A116B12951B for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:15:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.48.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149079693465.26808.8372664371040687700.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 07:15:34 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] Milestones changed for dots WG X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." 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x-originating-ip: [10.65.48.213] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_8ee3dcd82ba841038274a82bc3e5e64cXCHRCD017ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Some notes on reddy-dots-signal-channel X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 02:38:58 -0000 --_000_8ee3dcd82ba841038274a82bc3e5e64cXCHRCD017ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave, Thanks for the comments, Please see inline [TR] From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Dolson Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:18 PM To: dots@ietf.org Subject: [Dots] Some notes on reddy-dots-signal-channel A couple of high-level comments: See if we agree on these concepts: - I believe we want to remove the "Session" aspects of the protoco= l - heartbeat, ACK timeouts, etc. Yesterday at the design-team meeting I th= ink there was rough agreement on this. [TR] I don't understand the above comment. what do you mean by "session asp= ects" of the protocol ? (D)TLS session is bound to the host/port quartet, and heartbeats are requir= ed b/w DOTS peers to maintain the cryptographic context and to know if the = DOTS peer is alive. Heartbeat timeout and other message transmission parame= ters can be negotiated b/w the DOTS peers. - Policy-id doesn't identify a policy; it identifies an "event" or= "transaction" or ? [TR] policy-id uniquely identifies the mitigation request bound to the DOTS= client. - We want loose coupling between signal and data channels, so I be= lieve the "alias" does not need to be joined to data channel identifier, bu= t could refer to any identifier by name. E.g., "Default" could indicate a c= anned mitigation strategy/policy. [TR] I did not get the above comment, as per the requirements in https://to= ols.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-requirements-04 aliases can either be cre= ated using the DOTS data channel or direct configuration, and later used in= the DOTS signal channel. - It seems that mitigation requests should be created with POST, n= ot PUT, because a new thing is being created vs. overwriting an existing th= ing. PUT could be used to update an existing event. [TR] PUT method can be used to both create or over-write an existing thing = (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7252#section-5.8.3) . The reason for us= ing PUT is that mitigation request/response are marked as a non-confirmable= messages and sent at regular intervals until a response is received from t= he DOTS server, and unlike POST, PUT is idempotent. For example, IOT device= s for group communication use PUT instead of POST. -Tiru If there are no objections, I can help with these changes. -Dave --_000_8ee3dcd82ba841038274a82bc3e5e64cXCHRCD017ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dave,

 

Thanks for the comment= s, Please see inline [TR]

 

From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Dave Dolson
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 11:18 PM
To: dots@ietf.org
Subject: [Dots] Some notes on reddy-dots-signal-channel

 

A couple of high-level comments: See if we agree on = these concepts:

 

-     &= nbsp;    I believe we want to remove the “Session̶= 1; aspects of the protocol – heartbeat, ACK timeouts, etc. Yesterday = at the design-team meeting I think there was rough agreement on this.<= /o:p>

 

[TR] I don’t und= erstand the above comment. what do you mean by “session aspects”= ; of the protocol ?

(D)TLS session is boun= d to the host/port quartet, and heartbeats are required b/w DOTS peers to m= aintain the cryptographic context and to know if the DOTS peer is alive. He= artbeat timeout and other message transmission parameters can be negotiated b/w the DOTS peers.

 

-     &= nbsp;    Policy-id doesn’t identify a policy; it ident= ifies an “event” or “transaction” or ?

 

[TR] policy-id uniquel= y identifies the mitigation request bound to the DOTS client.

 

-     &= nbsp;    We want loose coupling between signal and data chan= nels, so I believe the “alias” does not need to be joined to da= ta channel identifier, but could refer to any identifier by name. E.g., = 220;Default” could indicate a canned mitigation strategy/policy.=

 

[TR] I did not get the= above comment, as per the requirements in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-requirements-04 aliases can either be created using the DOTS data ch= annel or direct configuration, and later used in the DOTS signal channel.

 

-     &= nbsp;    It seems that mitigation requests should be created= with POST, not PUT, because a new thing is being created vs. overwriting a= n existing thing. PUT could be used to update an existing event.=

 

[TR] PUT method can be= used to both create or over-write an existing thing (see https:= //tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7252#section-5.8.3) . The reason for using PUT is that mitigation request/response are mark= ed as a non-confirmable messages and sent at regular intervals until a response is received from the DOTS serve= r, and unlike POST, PUT is idempotent. For example, IOT devices for group c= ommunication use PUT instead of POST.

 

-Tiru

 

If there are no objections, I can help with these ch= anges.

 

-Dave

 

 

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