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I support adoption of draft-reddy-dots-data-channel.

-d

> Hello WG!
>
> There has been significant discussion around draft-reddy-dots-data-channe=
l-05 that describes the DOTS data channel.  It's reached a state where the =
WG should decide how to proceed.  Therefore, this note starts a formal, thr=
ee-week poll for WG adoption of:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots-data-channel
>
> Please review the draft and send an email to the list indicating "yes/sup=
port" or "no/do not support".  If indicating no, please state your reason(s=
).  If yes, please feel free to provide comments on what you'd like to see =
addressed in future revisions.
>
> We'll have time during the WG meeting in Chicago to discussion this topic=
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>
> Roman and Tobias


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I support adoption of draft-reddy-dots-data-channel.

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FYI. This version integrates some comments received so far.=20

Cheers,
Med

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> Objet=A0: I-D Action: draft-boucadair-dots-dhcp-01.txt
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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>         Title           : DHCP Options for Distributed-Denial-of-Service
> Open Threat Signaling (DOTS)
>         Author          : Mohamed Boucadair
> 	Filename        : draft-boucadair-dots-dhcp-01.txt
> 	Pages           : 8
> 	Date            : 2017-04-12
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> Abstract:
>    It may not be possible for a network to determine the cause for an
>    attack, but instead just realize that some resources seem to be under
>    attack.  To fill that gap, Distributed-Denial-of-Service Open Threat
>    Signaling (DOTS) allows a network to inform a server that it is under
>    a potential attack so that appropriate mitigation actions are
>    undertaken.
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>    This document specifies DHCP (IPv4 and IPv6) options to configure
>    hosts with DOTS servers.
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> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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Hello WG!

Thanks to all that have provided feedback so far.  The poll will close Mond=
ay, April 17.  If you have thoughts on this draft, please respond on the li=
st.

Regards,
Roman

> -----Original Message-----
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> Hello WG!
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> There has been significant discussion around draft-reddy-dots-data-channe=
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> 05 that describes the DOTS data channel.  It's reached a state where the =
WG
> should decide how to proceed.  Therefore, this note starts a formal, thre=
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> week poll for WG adoption of:
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots-data-channel
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> future revisions.
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> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots-data-channel
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF.

        Title           : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel
        Authors         : Tirumaleswar Reddy
                          Mohamed Boucadair
                          Prashanth Patil
                          Andrew Mortensen
                          Nik Teague
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01.txt
	Pages           : 47
	Date            : 2017-04-18

Abstract:
   This document specifies the DOTS signal channel, a protocol for
   signaling the need for protection against Distributed Denial-of-
   Service (DDoS) attacks to a server capable of enabling network
   traffic mitigation on behalf of the requesting client.  A companion
   document defines the DOTS data channel, a separate reliable
   communication layer for DOTS management and configuration.


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This revision addresses comments from Dave. Main changes are

a)Replaced "policy-id" with "mitigation-id" for mitigation request and "pol=
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b)Updated draft to say aliases can be created either using direct configura=
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Hello WG!

The poll for adoption on draft-reddy-dots-data-channel has closed.  Based o=
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Roman

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF.

        Title           : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Data Channel
        Authors         : Tirumaleswar Reddy
                          Mohamed Boucadair
                          Kaname Nishizuka
                          Liang Xia
                          Prashanth Patil
                          Andrew Mortensen
                          Nik Teague
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-00.txt
	Pages           : 21
	Date            : 2017-04-18

Abstract:
   The document specifies a Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat
   Signaling (DOTS) data channel used for bulk exchange of data not
   easily or appropriately communicated through the DOTS signal channel
   under attack conditions.  This is a companion document to the DOTS
   signal channel specification.


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Hello!

The minutes from the DOTS IETF 98 meeting can be read at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-98-dots/

Thanks to Liang Xia for scribing.

Roman


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Tiru,
Can you please add the source to github so that we can suggest edits using =
pull requests?=20

https://github.com/dotswg/dots-protocol

-Dave


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This revision addresses comments from Dave. Main changes are

a)Replaced "policy-id" with "mitigation-id" for mitigation request and "pol=
icy-id" with "session-id" for DOTS signal channel session configuration req=
uest.
b)Updated draft to say aliases can be created either using direct configura=
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-Tiru

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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct=
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> This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF.
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>         Title           : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signa=
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> Signal Channel
>         Authors         : Tirumaleswar Reddy
>                           Mohamed Boucadair
>                           Prashanth Patil
>                           Andrew Mortensen
>                           Nik Teague
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01.txt
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> Abstract:
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>    traffic mitigation on behalf of the requesting client.  A companion
>    document defines the DOTS data channel, a separate reliable
>    communication layer for DOTS management and configuration.
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The DOTS data channel has a method to create/modify/delete filtering rules.=
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on the DOTS server the allowable rules to use when a mitigation request arr=
ives via the signal channel? Or do they serve a different purpose that I ha=
ve missed?


Thanks
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On 22 Apr 2017, at 1:31, Ian Wormsbecker wrote:

>  Or do they serve a different purpose that I have missed?

They're requests for network access policy filtering.

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To further clarify, the filter rules are completely independent from a miti=
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On 22 Apr 2017, at 1:56, Ian Wormsbecker wrote:

> To further clarify, the filter rules are completely independent from a 
> mitigation request?

The entire purpose of DOTS is to facilitate mitigation requests.  So, 
they're mitigation requests.

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Thank you for correcting the target repository :)

thank you,
Kaname

On 2017/04/27 22:40, Daniel Migault wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Please see the figure added by Kaname to the current repo [1].
>
> Please note that the repo to consider is the one associated to the WG, that is dotswg/dots-use-cases [1]
>
> Yours,
> Daniel
>
> https://github.com/dotswg/dots-use-cases/pull/1/commits/e8e75ff1940b136afeb81d47e0a7d6aea20028ad
>
> *From:*kaname nishizuka [mailto:kaname@nttv6.jp]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2017 11:32 PM
> *To:* Daniel Migault <daniel.migault@ericsson.com>; Teague, Nik <nteague@verisign.com>
> *Cc:* mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; draft-ietf-dots-use-cases@ietf.org; dots-chairs@tools.ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: My review of draft-ietf-dots-use-cases
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I made a pull request of "adding a figure for the orchetsrator use case."
> https://github.com/mglt/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases/pull/4/files
>
> The proposed figure is like this (I hope your editor aligns the figure properly)
>            +----------+
>            | network  |C
>            | adminis  |<-+
>            | trator   |  |
>            +----------+  |
>                          |                       (internal)
>            +----------+  | S+--------------+     +-----------+
>            |telemetry/|  +->|              |C   S| DDoS      |+
>            |monitoring|<--->| Orchestrator |<--->| mitigation||
>            |systems   |C   S|              |<-+  | systems   ||
>            +----------+     +--------------+C | +-----------+|
>                                               | +----------+
>                                               |
>                                               |  (external)
>                                               |  +-----------+
>                                               | S| DDoS      |
>                                               +->| mitigation|
>                                                  | systems   |
>                                                  +-----------+
>            * C is for DOTS client functionality
>            * S is for DOTS server functionality
>
>    Figure 1: DDoS Orchestration
>
> Please see if the figure is fitting to the text of the dots relation in DDoS Orchstration section.
> If you are OK with this change, please merge it.
> By the way, this figure is truly abstraction of our DDoS mitigation service, although it is not using dots protocols yet.
>
> regards,
> Kaname
>
> On 2017/04/25 4:55, Daniel Migault wrote:
>
>     Hi Med,
>
>     Thanks for your comments. I have updated the document [1] with your comment. Feel free to let me know if you I have not addressed them appropriately.
>
>     We committed in Chicago to have the document ready before next meeting. I believe we are close to finalizing the document. I suggest the following planning: collecting comments by Friday April 28 so we make the document ready for WGLC next week.
>
>     Things we need to clarify before publishing version05:
>
>      - 1) Is the Home network use case described in the document better fit a inter-domain use case or an intra-domain use case. The reason I considered it rather a intra-domain is that I am considering that the ISP has an advantage of having the detection within a CPE, and in the use case we considered that the CPE is partly administrated by the ISP. The reason it might also be considered as an inter-domain use case is that the Home network may also ask the ISP to perform the DDoS mitigation.
>
>     I think it worth being discussed, I am fine having the use case in the inter-domain as well.
>
>     - 2 ) add a figure for the orchetsrator use case.
>
>     [1] https://github.com/dotswg/dots-use-cases/pull/1/commits/e7926b46640fb673e992d51598400caea22eb1e1
>
>     On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Teague, Nik <nteague@verisign.com <mailto:nteague@verisign.com>> wrote:
>
>
>         On 06/04/2017, 09:52, "mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>" <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hi Daniel, all,
>
>         Attached my review of this version of the use case draft, fwiw.
>
>         Cheers,
>         Med
>
>         Thanks! – your review is much appreciated.
>
>         -Nik
>
>
>
>
>
>
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    Thank you for correcting the target repository :)<br>
    <br>
    thank you,<br>
    Kaname<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017/04/27 22:40, Daniel Migault
      wrote:<br>
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            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext">Please
            see the figure added by Kaname to the current repo [1].
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext">Please
            note that the repo to consider is the one associated to the
            WG, that is dotswg/dots-use-cases [1]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext">Yours,
            <br>
            Daniel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/dotswg/dots-use-cases/pull/1/commits/e8e75ff1940b136afeb81d47e0a7d6aea20028ad">https://github.com/dotswg/dots-use-cases/pull/1/commits/e8e75ff1940b136afeb81d47e0a7d6aea20028ad</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:windowtext">
                kaname nishizuka [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:kaname@nttv6.jp">mailto:kaname@nttv6.jp</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 26, 2017 11:32 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Daniel Migault
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:daniel.migault@ericsson.com">&lt;daniel.migault@ericsson.com&gt;</a>; Teague, Nik
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nteague@verisign.com">&lt;nteague@verisign.com&gt;</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com">mohamed.boucadair@orange.com</a>;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:draft-ietf-dots-use-cases@ietf.org">draft-ietf-dots-use-cases@ietf.org</a>;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dots-chairs@tools.ietf.org">dots-chairs@tools.ietf.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: My review of
                draft-ietf-dots-use-cases<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Daniel,<br>
          <br>
          I made a pull request of "adding a figure for the orchetsrator
          use case."<br>
          <a
            href="https://github.com/mglt/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases/pull/4/files"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/mglt/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases/pull/4/files</a><br>
          <br>
          The proposed figure is like this (I hope your editor aligns
          the figure properly)<br>
                     +----------+<br>
                     | network  |C<br>
                     | adminis  |&lt;-+<br>
                     | trator   |  |<br>
                     +----------+  |<br>
                                   |                       (internal)<br>
                     +----------+  | S+--------------+     +-----------+<br>
                     |telemetry/|  +-&gt;|              |C   S|
          DDoS      |+<br>
                     |monitoring|&lt;---&gt;| Orchestrator |&lt;---&gt;|
          mitigation||<br>
                     |systems   |C   S|              |&lt;-+  |
          systems   ||<br>
                     +----------+     +--------------+C | 
          +-----------+|<br>
                                                        |   
          +----------+<br>
                                                        |<br>
                                                        |  (external)<br>
                                                        |  +-----------+<br>
                                                        | S| DDoS      |<br>
                                                        +-&gt;|
          mitigation|<br>
                                                           | systems   |<br>
                                                           +-----------+<br>
                     * C is for DOTS client functionality<br>
                     * S is for DOTS server functionality<br>
          <br>
             Figure 1: DDoS Orchestration<br>
          <br>
          Please see if the figure is fitting to the text of the dots
          relation in DDoS Orchstration section.<br>
          If you are OK with this change, please merge it.<br>
          By the way, this figure is truly abstraction of our DDoS
          mitigation service, although it is not using dots protocols
          yet.<br>
          <br>
          regards,<br>
          Kaname<o:p></o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">On 2017/04/25 4:55, Daniel Migault wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi
                  Med,<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your comments. I have
                  updated the document [1] with your comment. Feel free
                  to let me know if you I have not addressed them
                  appropriately.
                  <o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">We committed in Chicago to have the
                  document ready before next meeting. I believe we are
                  close to finalizing the document. I suggest the
                  following planning: collecting comments by Friday 
                  April 28 so we make the document ready for WGLC next
                  week. <o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Things we need to clarify before
                  publishing version05:<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> - 1) Is the Home network use case
                  described in the document better fit a inter-domain
                  use case or an intra-domain use case. The reason I
                  considered it rather a intra-domain is that I am
                  considering that the ISP has an advantage of having
                  the detection within a CPE, and in the use case we
                  considered that the CPE is partly administrated by the
                  ISP. The reason it might also be considered as an
                  inter-domain use case is that the Home network may
                  also ask the ISP to perform the DDoS mitigation.<br>
                  <br>
                  I think it worth being discussed, I am fine having the
                  use case in the inter-domain as well.      
                  <o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">- 2 ) add a figure for the
                orchetsrator use case. <o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">[1] <a
href="https://github.com/dotswg/dots-use-cases/pull/1/commits/e7926b46640fb673e992d51598400caea22eb1e1"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">
https://github.com/dotswg/dots-use-cases/pull/1/commits/e7926b46640fb673e992d51598400caea22eb1e1</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:17 AM,
                Teague, Nik &lt;<a href="mailto:nteague@verisign.com"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">nteague@verisign.com</a>&gt;
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      On 06/04/2017, 09:52, "<a
                        href="mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">mohamed.boucadair@orange.com</a>"
                      &lt;<a href="mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">mohamed.boucadair@orange.com</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<br>
                      <br>
                      Hi Daniel, all,<br>
                       <br>
                      Attached my review of this version of the use case
                      draft, fwiw.<br>
                       <br>
                      Cheers,<br>
                      Med<o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks!
                  – your review is much appreciated.<br>
                  <span style="color:#888888"><br>
                    <span class="hoenzb">-Nik</span><br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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